* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. SO [00:00:01] NOW CALL THIS MEETING WITH THE BAYTOWN CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER. [ CITY OF BAYTOWN NOTICE OF MEETING CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING THURSDAY, OCTOBER 22, 2020 6:30 P.M. COUNCIL CHAMBER, CITY HALL 2401 MARKET STREET, BAYTOWN, TEXAS 77520 Due to the COVID 19 Disaster and the CDC's recommendation regarding social distancing measures, the public may not be allowed to be physically present at this meeting, as there is a limited amount of space when maintaining the required 6-feet separation from others. For those members of the public that cannot or do not wish to be physically present at the meeting, they will be able to participate through two-way communications. 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After the meeting, a video recording of this meeting will be made available to the public at https://www.baytown.org/city-hall/city-clerk/agendas-minutes. AGENDA CALL TO ORDER AND ANNOUNCEMENT OF QUORUM PLEDGE AND INVOCATION Council Member David Himsel District No. Six ] IT IS THURSDAY, OCTOBER 22ND. IT'S 6:30 PM WE ARE IN BAYTOWN CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. WE'LL BE LED IN OUR PLEDGE AND INVOCATION TONIGHT BY COUNCIL MEMBER DAVE HESSEL FROM DISTRICT SIX. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO, TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY OF JUSTICE FOR ALL HONOR UNDER THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO BE TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD. ONE AN INDIVIDUAL. LET US PRAY. ALMIGHTY GOD AND HEAVENLY FATHER, PLEASE SEND DOWN UPON THOSE WHO HOLD OFFICE IN THIS CITY AND STATE THE SPIRIT OF WISDOM, CHARITY AND JUSTICE. AND THAT WITH STEADFAST FASTS, PUR PURPOSE, THEY MAY FAITHFULLY SERVE IN THEIR OFFICES TO PROMOTE THE WELLBEING OF ALL PEOPLE. BLESS THE LEADERS OF OUR LAND, THAT WE MAY, WE MAY BE IN PEACE WITH THE PEOPLE, WITH OURSELVES, AND A BLESSING TO OTHER NATIONS OF THE EARTH. ALL THESE THINGS WE ASK THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD. AMEN. AMEN. AMEN. ALL RIGHT, WE WILL START OFF WITH RECOGNITION [a. Recognize City of Baytown employees for their years of service.] OF CITY BAYTOWN EMPLOYEES FOR THE YEARS OF SERVICE. AND DO WE HAVE, UM, LIONEL, LIONEL TONIGHT? YES. ALL RIGHTY. THANK YOU MINNESOTA. I SEE SOMEBODY HAD TO DO . GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNSEL. MY NAME IS LYELL. I'M WITH HUMAN RESOURCES. WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE OUR EMPLOYEES YEARS OF SERVICE. CHARLES EVES, FIREFIGHTER FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. . SENATOR AARON MCNEIL, FIREFIGHTER FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. CHICKEN JOSEPH SOUTH, FIREFIGHTER FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. STERLING BEAVER, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF UTILITIES WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING. JOHN KITCHENS, HEAVY EQUIPMENT SPECIALIST, TWO WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING. SYLVIA WILLIAMS, POLLUTION CONTROL SPECIALIST. TWO WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING. HENRY GUTIERREZ, HEAVY EQUIPMENT SPECIALIST. TWO WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING. THERESA MALDONADO, BILLING SUPERVISOR WITH UTILITY BILLING. ADRIANA MONTALVO, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES SPECIALIST WITH PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. WOW. YEAH. CHEWY VELA, FIELD SUPERVISOR WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING AS SINCE CHEWY FAVELA BEGAN HIS CAREER WITH THE CITY OF BAYTOWN, MAINTAINING AND MOWING PARKS. HE WAS HIRED ON JUNE 1ST, 1990 AS A PART-TIME EMPLOYEE IN THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT ON OCTOBER 16TH, 1990. CHEWER WAS HIRED FULL-TIME AS A METER READER FOR UTILITY BILLING. DURING HIS CAREER AS A METER READER, HE GOT BIT BY TWO DOGS CHASED BY MINNIE, AND ALMOST SHOT BY A RESIDENT WHO WAS MAD THAT HIS WATER WAS DISCONNECTED. CHERRY TRANSFERRED TO PUBLIC WORKS IN MAY OF 1999, WORKING ON THE ASPHALT CREW. HE WORKED AS AN EQUIPMENT OPERATOR UNTIL HE BEGAN OPERATING HIS OWN ASPHALT TRUCK IN JUNE OF 2000. CHERRY PATCHED NUMEROUS POTHOLES ALL OVER THE CITY OF BAYTOWN. IN JULY OF 2004, TRU WAS PROMOTED TO GRADE CHIEF WHERE HE INSTALLED DRAINAGE SYSTEMS, DRIVEWAYS AND CUT DITCHES TO GRADE. TRU WAS ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR CHECKING THE UNDERGROUND STORM DRAINAGE SYSTEMS WHERE HE ENCOUNTERED SPIDERS, SNAKES, AND RACCOONS. TRU ALSO HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF CLEARING THE STREETS AND DRAINAGE SYSTEMS AFTER HURRICANE RITA AND IKE. HIS EXPERIENCES AT THE EMPLOYEE SHELTER DURING THOSE EVENTS ARE ONES THAT HE IS NOT READY TO SHARE. [00:05:01] IN SEPTEMBER OF 2010, CHEWY ACCEPTED THE ROLE AS ACTING FOREMAN OF DRAINAGE. AND IN MAY OF 2011, HE OFFICIALLY BECAME THE FOREMAN OF DRAINAGE. AS FOREMAN, CHARLIE'S STRESS LEVEL BEGAN TO INCREASE. HE WAS NOW RESPONSIBLE FOR 16 EMPLOYEES WITH 16 DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES AND 16 DIFFERENT IDEAS ON HOW TO MAKE THE DIVISION WORK. SHIRLEY HAS ATTENDED NUMEROUS LEADERSHIP CLASSES AND GRADUATED FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON CERTIFIED PUBLIC MANAGERS COURSE IN DECEMBER OF 2015. ALL HAVE HELPED HIM BECOME A BETTER LEADER IN HIS SPARE TIME. TRULY LIKES TO SPEND TIME WITH HIS FAMILY, ATTEND CAR SHOWS, AND WORK ON HIS LOW RIDER CARS. JOEY HAS BEEN MARRIED TO HIS WIFE DELILAH FOR 13 YEARS, AND THEY HAVE THREE BEAUTIFUL GIRLS, ROCIO H 12, OLIVIA AGE EIGHT, AND ELIA AGE FIVE. PLEASE CONGRATULATE CHEWY ON HIS 30 YEARS OF SERVICE WITH THE CITY OF BAYTOWN. THAT'S GREAT. SO ONCE AGAIN, WE, WE DO THANK AND APPRECIATE OUR DEDICATED EMPLOYEES FOR THEIR MANY YEARS OF SERVICE. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO [a. Conduct a public hearing regarding an amendment to the Baytown 2025 Comprehensive Plan's Future Land Use Plan (FLUP) for properties generally located along Wade Road, north of its intersection with State Highway Spur 330 (SH Spur 330) and South of its intersection with Interstate Highway 10 (IH 10) in Harris County, Texas.] A. FIRST WE'LL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING AN AMENDMENT TO THE BAYTOWN 2025 COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR PROPERTIES GENERALLY LOCATED ALONG WADE ROAD, NORTH OF THIS INTERSECTION WITH STATE HIGHWAY SPURRED THREE 30 AND SOUTH OF HIS INTERSECTION WITH HIGHWAY, UH, I 10 IN HARRIS COUNTY, TEXAS. MR. DIETRICH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK OR LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING OFFICIALLY AND THEN YOU CAN SPEAK. GREAT. ALRIGHT. SO FIRST, UH, I WILL, UH, THIS PUBLIC HEARING TODAY, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS TODAY ARE BEING HELD FOR THE PURPOSE OF GIVING ALL INTERESTED PARTIES THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS THEIR VIEWS REGARDING THE SUBJECT OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. EVERYONE DESIRING TO BE PART OF TODAY'S HEARING SHOULD HAVE EITHER SIGNED THE APPROPRIATE LIST IN THE FOYER OR EMAILED THE CITY CLERK PRIOR TO THE POSTED TIME OF THIS MEETING. EACH PARTICIPANT SHALL GIVE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A PROPER RECORD OF THIS HEARING. THE RULES ALLOW EACH PERSON THREE MINUTES TO DISCUSS, TO PRESENT INFORMATION. HOWEVER, I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO BE AS BRIEF AND TO THE POINT AS POSSIBLE. IF YOU'RE A GROUP OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS COUNSEL ON THE SAME SUBJECT, PLEASE SELECT A SPOKESPERSON TO PRESENT THE INFORMATION. IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE DIRECT 'EM TO ME. AND, UH, LET'S SEE. WE DO HAVE, UH, FOUR INDIVIDUALS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. UM, SO I NOW COURT CALL TO ORDER THIS PUBLIC HEARING, UH, CONCERN PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE BAYTOWN 2025 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LAND USE PLAN FOR PROPERTIES GENERALLY LOCATED ALONG THE, UM, LOCATION THAT I DESCRIBED EARLIER. SO I NOW WOULD LIKE, UH, TO REQUEST STAFF TO SUMMARIZE THE SUBJECT OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING. THAT'D BE GREAT, SIR. UM, AND IF IT, IF IT WOULD PLEASE, UH, THE MAYOR AND, AND THE COM, UH, AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, I I COULD TAKE ALL THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL SIMILAR AND, AND THEY'RE ALL ABOUT THE SAME PROPERTY. I'M FINE WITH THAT. OKAY. WELL, WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION IS, UM, THERE'S A REQUEST FOR A FUTURE LAND USE PLAN CHANGE, UM, WHICH IS LOCATED, UH, JUST WEST OF, UH, THE U UNION PACIFIC RAIL LINE, UM, OR, OR WADE ROAD. AND, UM, IN THIS SUBJECT AREA THAT'S SHOWN ON THE SCREEN RIGHT HERE, AND CURRENTLY IT IS A BUSINESS PARK AND OR IT'S DEEMED BUSINESS PARK, WHICH DOES ALLOW FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR INSIDE OF IT. UM, THE REAL REASON ALL OF THIS IS OCCURRING RIGHT NOW IS THAT UPON PORT 10, WHICH IS THE PONTUS DEVELOPMENT, UH, THEY'RE LOOKING TO, UM, REQUEST A SPECIAL USE PERMIT ON ALSO A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT CHANGE TO THE LOCATION THAT I'VE KIND OF OUTLINED RIGHT HERE. AND, UM, WITH THEIR ORIGINAL GENERAL PLAN THAT THEY, THAT THEY BROUGHT TO THE CITY, UH, PROBABLY ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, UM, THAT THEY SHOWED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE DOING LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT THERE. AND IT, IT FELL WITHIN LINE FOR THE, THE ZONING AND ALSO FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN THAT YOU SEE HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY. UM, HOWEVER THINGS CHANGE. AND, UH, THEY BROUGHT FORTH A NEW PLAN, WHICH, UH, WE FELT, UM, IN, IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WAS A LOT MORE INTENSIVE OF USE. AND WE FELT THAT IT WAS NECESSARY FOR THEM TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, UH, DUE TO THE INTENSITY CHANGE OF WHAT THEY WERE WERE PROPOSING TO US AT THAT TIME, WHICH IS, UM, UH, A LARGE RAIL YARD. IN THEIR ORIGINAL SUBMISSION, UH, TO US, THEY HAD SHOWN THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE SOME SORT OF SPURS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN WITH ABOUT APPROXIMATELY 3 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF, UH, WAREHOUSING AND FREIGHT, UM, STORAGE ALONG THE SITE. UM, AND THAT CHANGED FROM HAVING THAT 3 MILLION SQUARE FEET AND ABOUT SIX RAIL SPURS, SIX TO 10 RAIL SPURS, UM, TO HAVING ABOUT A MILLION SQUARE FEET OF WAREHOUSING AND FREIGHT, UM, TO [00:10:01] 65 TO 70 RAIL SPURS. SO WITH THAT CHANGE, WE FELT IT WAS, UM, IT WAS IT WARRANTED FOR THEM TO COME BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING AND ALSO CITY COUNCIL FOR, FOR THIS REVIEW. UM, AND ALONG WITH, UH, MOVING FROM LI, WHICH IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, WE, UM, REQUEST THERE TO BE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WHICH ALLOWS FOR GREATER, UM, I GUESS CONSIDERATION FROM BOTH P AND Z AND FROM CITY COUNCIL, UM, TO WARRANT ANY SORT OF CONDITIONS THAT MIGHT BE APPARENT OR MIGHT BE NEEDED WITH THIS PARTICULAR LAND USE CHANGE. OKAY. UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY NO, BUT I THINK I PROBABLY WOULD, WOULD AT LEAST HAVE TO READ THE NEXT TWO ITEMS SO WE CAN TAKE 'EM TOGETHER IF THAT'S OKAY. MS. LER, YOU HAVE TO OPEN AND CLOSE EACH MEETING, SO I'M SORRY. SEE, OKAY. I TRIED IT. IT'S OKAY. ALL RIGHT, NATHAN. NO WORRIES. OKAY. THAT'S WHY I WAS LOOKING 'CAUSE THE LANGUAGE IS DIFFERENT ON, ON EACH OF THEM. OKAY. SO THANK YOU UH, NATHAN, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REGARDING THIS? NOPE. OKAY. SO, UM, THERE WAS, I DON'T THINK ANYONE THERE WAS INDIVIDUALS, UH, DESIRE TO SPEAK ON ITEM TWO A. I'M ASSUMING IF YOU WANNA SPEAK ON THAT PARTICULARLY OR YOU JUST WANNA WAIT UNTIL, OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, UM, WITH THAT THEN THERE BEING NO ONE ELSE DESIRE TO SPEAK ON, I'LL CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING AN AMENDMENT TO THE BAY TOWN FLU FOR PROPERTIES LOCATED ALONG WADE ROAD NORTH OF SPUR THREE 30 NI 10. SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO B. [b. Conduct a public hearing concerning a request for a Special Use Permit (SUP) relating to a requested heavy industrial (HI) use for 136.57 acres, located at 6511 Thompson Road, zoned Light industrial (LI), legally described as Tract 3, Block 2; Tracts 20 & 20A, Block 20; Tract 21B-1, Block 22; and Tracts 23 & 23C, Block 23 of the Elena Fruit & Cotton Farms “C,” Harris County, Texas.] WE WILL NOW, NOW CALL TO ORDER THIS PUBLIC HEARING CONCERN, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR REQUESTED HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE FOR 136.57 ACRES LOCATED AT 65 11 THOMPSON ROAD, CURRENTLY ZONED AS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND LEGALLY, LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS TRACK THREE BLOCK TWO TRACKS 2020 A BLOCK 20 TRACK 21 B DASH ONE BLOCK 22, AND TRACKS 23 AND 23 C BLOCK 23 OF ELENA FRUIT AND COTTON FARM C HARRIS COUNTY, TEXAS. SO, AND I WOULD LIKE THE STAFF TO SUMMARIZE THE SUBJECT MATTER IN THIS PUBLIC HEARING. ALRIGHT. SO, UM, AS I WAS SAYING BEFORE, THIS IS ALSO A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. UM, THE REASON FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS WITHIN OUR, OUR CODES. IT BASICALLY STATES THAT ANY SORT OF HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE THAT IS NOT, UM, CALLED OUT WITHIN OUR LAND USE TABLES, THAT IT WOULD RE REQUIRE TO HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. SO THIS IS THE REASON WHY IT'S COMING BEFORE YOU TODAY. UM, AGAIN, THE REASON FOR THE CHANGE FROM A, A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL IS, UM, DUE TO THE INTENSITY OF OF OF THE USE OR THE CHANGE IN THE USE FROM LI TO HI. AND, UM, WE ALONG, WE AS STAFF ALONG WITH PLANNING AND ZONING, HAD MADE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CONDITIONS TO BE ADDED TO THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT. AND WE WILL GO OVER THOSE CONDITIONS WHEN WE GET TO THE CONSIDERATION ITEM. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING ITEM TWO B? I HAVE A COUPLE. OKAY. YES, SIR. IN REGARDS TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE STORAGE TRANSPORTATION, UH, WE, WE HAVE CRITERIA SET. UH, SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT'S NOT GONNA BE OR PROHIBITED IS TOXIC AND HAZARDOUS MATERIALS BY INHALATION, YOU LIST ANHYDROUS AMMONIA, BUT WE LEFT OUT AQUEOUS AMMONIA. WHY, WHY WOULD WE NOT INCLUDE THAT, UM, AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME? UH, WHAT WE HAD INCLUDED WHAT WE FELT WAS APPROPRIATE. UM, BUT AT, AT YOUR CONSIDERATION ITEM, SIR, IS THAT IF YOU FEEL THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATE TO ADD TO THE CONDITION STABLE AND IT'S AGREED UPON, THEN YOU CAN ADD THAT AS A CONDITION TO THIS. OKAY. FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. ALRIGHT. SAME THING WITH HIGHLY FLAMMABLE MATERIALS. SAME REASON? YES, SIR. OKAY. AND YOU HAVE, UH, TOXIC MATERIALS. I, I THINK WE NEED TO ADD TO THAT AND MAYBE CONSIDER ACIDS AND CAUSTICS. 'CAUSE UH, YOU, THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF TOXIC MATERIALS THAT YOU CAN INCLUDE IN THERE MORE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE GONNA BE ON THE, UH, JUST ON THE SOUTH END OF THIS YARD HERE, THERE'S GONNA BE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES IN JUST A SHORT DISTANCE AWAY. SO I, I HOPEFULLY WE CAN HEAR FROM THESE GUYS HERE SHORTLY AND THEY CAN MAYBE CLARIFY SOME OF THAT. YES SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU MA'AM. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SO I NOW CLOSE THIS. UH, I'M, I'M ASSUMING FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED UP FOR ITEM TWO B YOU, IS THERE ANY COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE REGARDING EITHER, UH, COUNCILMAN HOSKINS QUESTIONS? IF YOU WANNA CLARIFY ANYTHING WE ALL TOGETHER IN THE THIRD ONE? THAT BE OKAY? OKAY. YEAH, YEAH. WELL, WE'RE GONNA DO THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THEN WE'RE GONNA DO THREE INDIVIDUAL ORDINANCES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO WE'LL MOVE ON. UH, WE'LL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING, UH, THERE BEING NO ONE ELSE DESIRE TO SPEAK ON. I'LL CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING CONCERNING THE SUP RELATED TO, UH, THE REQUESTED HI FOR 136.57 ACRES LOCATED AT 65 11 THOMPSON ROAD. SO NOW CALL TO ORDER [c. Conduct a public hearing concerning a request to amend the official zoning map to rezone approximately 136.57 acres addressed as 6511 Thompson Road, and legally described as: Tract 3, Block 2; Tracts 20 & 20A, Block 20; Tract 21B-1, Block 22; and Tracts 23 & 23C, Block 23 of the Elena Fruit & Cotton Farms “C,” Harris County, Texas, from a Light industrial (LI) Zoning District to a Heavy Industrial (HI) Zoning District.] THIS PUBLIC HEARING CONCERNING A REQUEST TO AMEND CITY OF BAYTOWN OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 136.57 ACRES ADDRESSED AS 65 11 THOMPSON ROAD. AND LEGALLY DESCRIBE, UH, THE SAME PROPERTY THAT I, I ORIGINALLY JUST DESCRIBED JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO. I WOULD NOW LIKE, UH, [00:15:01] STAFF TO SUMMARIZE THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND AGAIN, AS I, AS I PREVIOUSLY STATED, UM, THEY'RE JUST MOVING FROM LI TO HI. AND, UM, SORRY, HERE. AND HERE'S A, A RENDITION OF WHAT THE CONCEPT DRAWING OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND HOW IT WOULD BE ORIENTED ON THE PROPERTY. UM, I'LL, I'LL WAIT FOR, UM, THE APPLICANT TO COME UP AND GIVE, UH, THE, THE COMPLETE, UH, REASON FOR THEIR, UH, REQUESTS. BUT AGAIN, UM, THIS IS THE REASON WHY THIS IS COMING BEFORE YOU BECAUSE THEY NEED TO CHANGE IT FROM LI TO ACCOMMODATE THE, IN THE INTENSIFICATION OF, OF THIS PARTICULAR, UM, DEVELOPMENT. AND, AND LEMME, UH, UM, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU, NATHAN, ON THIS WOULD BE MY UNDERSTANDING BY GOING FROM LI TO HI, THAT THAT ALSO INITIATES THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS. IS THAT CORRECT OR NOT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, UM, IS THERE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR STAFF? IF NOT, IS THERE ANY YES, I JUST HAD A, THERE WAS A, LIKE A SOUND DEADENING FENCE OR SOMETHING THAT WAS IN PART OF THIS, WASN'T IT? A 10 FOOT? I BELIEVE SO, AT LEAST. SO WHERE'S THAT AT ON THE MAP? SO, AT, AT, UH, AT PLANNING AND ZONING OR WITH, UH, THE APPLICANT'S, UH, ORIGINAL REQUEST, NOT ON THE DRAWING. WHEN, WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THERE WAS, UM, THERE WAS SOME, UH, CONVERSATIONS BACK AND FORTH. UM, THE APPLICANT CAME BACK FROM THE ORIGINAL PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, ORIGINALLY THEY WERE GOING TO BE DOING, UH, A, A BERM, UM, AN EARTH AND BERM PLANTED WITH, UH, A, A LARGE NUMBER OF TREES ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE RIGHT ABOUT HERE MM-HMM . UM, AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE FOR ABOUT 50 FEET WIDE, AND IT WAS GONNA GO UP ABOUT FIVE FEET, AND THAT WAS GONNA BE PART OF THEIR SOUND ATTENUATION AND LEAD ATTENUATION FROM, FROM THE YARD OVER TO THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. UM, WHAT THEY FOUND WHEN THEY WENT BACK TO REQUEST, THERE IS A PIPELINE ALONG THE BACKSIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY, AND THEY, THEY INQUIRED THROUGH THE PIPELINE TO SEE IF THEY COULD DO SOMETHING ALONG THE, THOSE LINES ON IT. AND THE PIPELINE, UH, DENIED THEM. SO WHAT THEIR ALTERNATIVE, UM, UH, SOUND ABATEMENT AND LIGHT ABATEMENT WAS, UH, TO, UM, A ASK FOR OR TO PLACE A WALL THERE AT 10 FEET WAS THE ORIGINAL REQUEST. UM, AND THEN AT THE TIME THAT, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING REC RECOMMENDED THEIR CONDITIONS, THEY, UM, INCREASE THAT SIZE TO 20 FEET. SO 20 FEET IS WHERE IT'S AT STILL. THAT IS, THAT IS RIGHT NOW IS BEING WHAT IS BEING RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO YOU AT THIS TIME. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THOSE GUYS IN SUITS ARE FINE WITH THAT TOO. YES, I, I BELIEVE THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF THEIR PRESENTATION TO YOU, SIR. OKAY. I'M JUST LOOKING AT SOME EYES BACK THERE. I KNOW THEY HAVE MASKS ON, BUT I CAN SEE EYES, SO, OKAY. WE'LL MOVE ON. UM, I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING. IS THERE ANY OTHER STAFF QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT, UM, THE INDIVIDUALS THAT SIGNED UP FOR ITEM, UH, TWO C WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK UPON? YES, SIR. OKAY. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND JUST GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND I'LL, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S SIX INDIVIDUALS. I'M, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE ALL ON, ON PART OF THE SAME GROUP, BUT JUST STATE YOUR NAME SO WE AT LEAST HAVE THAT AS A RECORD. BRANDON MUSSER FROM BROOKSHIRE, TEXAS. OKAY. UM, I'M WORKING HERE AS A, AN INDUSTRIAL RAIL CONSULTANT. I'VE DONE THIS FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS IN THIS COMMUNITY. UH, I PROBABLY KNOW, UH, BAYTOWN AND MONT BELLEVUE BETTER THAN KNOW MY HOMETOWN. UH, WE, UH, STARTED WORKING WITH THE TIKAS DEVELOPMENT, UH, COMPANY TO, TO DEVELOP THE PLAN YOU SEE HERE. AND, AND IT WAS, UH, IT'S AN EXCITING PLAN. IT WAS FOR, UH, AN ASSET THAT, AS YOU KNOW, AS AS THIS INDUSTRY GROWS, THIS COMMUNITY GROWS. YOU SEE MORE OF THIS IN SUPPORT OF OUR PRODUCTION THAT WE HAVE HERE. UM, WE TOOK THIS PLAN INTO THE MARKET AND WE TOOK IT TO, UM, FOR THEM TO, UH, FOR THE INDUSTRY TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. I'M GONNA TRY TO WORK POWERPOINT, BUT BRANDON, IT'S NOT COMING UP, SO I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GET TO MY POWERPOINT. PERFECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, SIR. AND THEN YOU JUST HAVE TO JUST USE THIS. YOU BET. YEAH. TECHNOLOGY. SO THAT'S THE PROPERTY YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT. WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT THAT ON ENOUGH MAPS, UH, IN THE, IN THE, THE FIRST TWO, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS. BUT, UH, BACK TO THE SITE PLAN, THIS IS WHERE WE WERE. THIS IS WHAT WE TOOK TO THE MARKET, AND THEN SOMETHING HAPPENED THAT WAS, UH, THAT, THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT SURPRISING TO US. WE, UH, WE REALLY HEARD BACK FROM THE PRODUCERS, UH, AS YOU KNOW, IN THIS COMMUNITY. UH, LET'S FACE IT, EVERYBODY HAS SEEN A RAIL CAR TOO TODAY. I MEAN, IT'S CONGESTED IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND THE REASON IS THE WAY THE BAYTOWN SUBDIVISION, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE SIT ON. WE SIT ON SOMETHING CALLED THE BAYTOWN SUBDIVISION, AND IT TRAVELS WITH THE ARROWS I'VE SHOWN, I I SHOW YOU HERE. IT TRAVELS IN A COUNTERCLOCKWISE MOTION FROM HOUSTON TO BROOK BAYTOWN TO MONT BELLEVUE, TO DAYTON, AND BACK TO HOUSTON. IT DOES IT EVERY DAY, UNFORTUNATELY. ALL THE BLUE DOTS YOU SEE, THE, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, UH, OF THE, UH, OF THE PLAN THERE OF THE DRAWING, THAT'S WHERE THE CARS ARE STORED. AND THEY GO THERE. MANY [00:20:01] OF 'EM GO THERE EMPTY. AND NOW A PRODUCER NEEDS THEM. SO THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH YOUR TOWN. ONCE THEY NEED 'EM BACK, THEY GOTTA LOAD 'EM. NOW THEY COME BACK, THEY EITHER GO AROUND THE HORN ALL THE WAY TO HOUSTON AND COME BACK OUT. OR THERE'LL BE SOME SPECIAL TRAINS THAT RUN FROM SOME OF THE BLUE STARS BACK INTO THE COMPLEX TO BE LOADED. AND THEN THEY'RE LOADED. NOW THEY GO BACK OUT AGAIN. THAT'S THE THIRD TIME THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH YOUR CITY. AND THEN EVENTUALLY THEY GO TO STORAGE AND SOMETIMES THEY MAY IMPACT YOU AGAIN ON THE WAY OUT. SO YOU COULD HAVE AS MANY, AS MANY AS TWO, AND AS OFTEN AS MANY AS FOUR MOVES FOR ONE CAR THROUGH THE CITY. AND THAT SURPRISES A LOT OF PEOPLE WHEN THEY LEARN ABOUT HOW TRAFFIC MOVES THROUGH THE CITY. AND SO THE PRODUCERS CAME TO US AND SAID, THERE IS ONLY ONE PLACE LEFT NORTH OF THE BAYTOWN COMPLEX, THE CHEMICAL COMPLEX TO STORE CARS. LEMME USE THEIR TIME IF IT'S OKAY. YES SIR, PLEASE. UM, THERE'S ONLY ONE PLACE LEFT TO STORE CARS ON THE BAYTOWN SUBDIVISION, AND THAT'S WHERE THE RED.IS. AND THAT'S PORT 10. IT PUTS US NORTH OF THE CHEMICAL COMPLEX. AND IT'S A, IT'S A PERFECT STAGING GROUND FOR A PARKING LOT, IF YOU WILL, TO STORE CARS. ONE TIME THEY'VE COME IN, THEY STOP THERE AND THEY WAIT. AND THESE ARE CARS THAT ARE ALREADY MOVING THROUGH YOUR CITY TODAY, BUT THEY STOP AND THEY WAIT UNTIL THE PRODUCERS CALL FOR THEM. THEN THEY COME OUT OF THERE, THEY GO NOW THEY GO THROUGH ONE TIME THROUGH YOUR CITY, THEY'RE LOADED AND THEN THEY LEAVE. AND SO THE PRODUCERS SAW THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO DECONGEST THEIR FACILITIES, WHICH INCREASES TRAIN SPEED TO DECONGEST, THE, JUST THE BACK AND FORTH OF TRAFFIC AND THE INTERFACE THE PUBLIC HAS WITH CARS TO USE THIS LOCATION AS AN ASSET TO NOT ONLY BENEFIT THEM, OF COURSE, US, BUT ALSO THE PUBLIC BY, BY CONTROLLING THE NUMBER OF MOVES A RAIL CAR WILL MAKE, UH, THROUGH YOUR TOWN. AND I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA OVERSTATE, IT'S NOT EVERY CAR, BUT IT'S A GREAT MANY OF THE PLASTIC CARS THAT YOU SEE MOVING THROUGH THIS, THROUGH THE FACILITY. SO THAT'S WHAT DROVE THIS. WE CAME BACK AND TOOK ANOTHER LOOK AT IT AND CAME BACK WITH A PLAN THAT WE, WE HAVE TODAY WHERE WE KEEP NOW THIS PLAN, KEEP NOTE OF THAT I INTERSTATE IS NOW ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE DRAWING. WE'VE TURNED THE DRAWING SIDEWAYS. SO WE CAME BACK WITH THIS PLAN, UH, AT THE REQUEST OF THE PRODUCERS, THE SUPPORT OF THE RAILROAD TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO STAGE CARS, PREDOMINANTLY EMPTY CARS. IS IS THE VISION HERE. THAT'S WHAT THE MARKET IS TELLING US NOW. WE DON'T HAVE THE FIRST DEAL INKED YET, UH, WITH THE CUSTOMERS, BUT A LOT OF THEM ARE WAITING ON THE NIGHT. YOU CAN IMAGINE. UH, SO CAME UP WITH THIS, WE'VE PRESENTED IT BACK TO THE INDUSTRY. THEY'RE VERY EXCITED. IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO STAGE THE CARS HERE. AND THE TYPE OF CARS WE WANNA STAGE HERE ARE PREDOMINANTLY THE PLASTIC COPPER CARS. THERE MAY BE SOME, SOME LUMBER COMING IN. THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS THAT BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY. WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING IN THIS, IN THIS YARD. WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF ANYTHING COMING IN HERE. AND, AND, AND THE HOPE THAT, UH, WE KNOW YOU AGREE THAT'S A TOXIC INHT OR A, OR A POISONOUS INHALATION HAZARD. WE DON'T WANT 'EM, UH, THAT, UH, LET THOSE THINGS TODAY THAT OFTEN SIT OUT ON OUR TRACKS PUBLICLY, LET US TAKE THE CARS THAT ARE CONGESTING THE PRODUCERS, MOVE THEM INTO OUR FACILITIES AS MANY AS WE CAN, AND LET THOSE CARS FLOW ON THROUGH THE BAD STUFF IN IT, GET INSIDE THE GATE, GET LOCKED UP AND GET MONITORED. AND SO, UH, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. THAT'S WHAT THE, THE MARKET TOLD US. AND SO WE WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOU TONIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. IS THERE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR, FOR MR. UH, SAY YOUR LAST NAME FOR ME AGAIN? MUER. MUER. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I DO DO APPRECIATE THAT. UM, I THINK WE ARE STILL IN OUR ITEM TWO C, IS THAT CORRECT? MM-HMM . IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. ALRIGHT. AND SO, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, ANY OTHER STATEMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE REGARDING, I GUESS ANY CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP? WE, WE'VE HEARD ABOUT SOUND, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. WE HAVE OUR, WE HAVE BRANDON GUILLORY HERE TO, UH, TO SPEAK TO THAT. SO I'D LIKE TO YIELD MY TIME TO HIM. OKAY. WELL, YOU, YOUR TIME IS UP, BUT WE'RE MOVING ON. BUT YOU HAVE, UH, YOU HAVE PLENTY, JUST THREE MINUTES AT A TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . UH, NAME'S BRANDON GUILLORY, UH, HOUSTON, TEXAS. OKAY. SO WE HEARD DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THAT SOUND WAS A CONCERN. AND THEN WE JUST HEARD YOUR QUESTION REGARDING THE SOUND WALL AND WHERE IT WAS ON THE EXHIBIT ALONG THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE. SO LIKE YOU HEARD EARLIER, WE HAD PROPOSED A 10 FOOT WALL DURING PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE ACTION WAS TAKEN, AND IT WAS PASSED ON TO CITY COUNCIL. UH, 20 FOOT WALL WAS, IS WHAT WAS PASSED ON. SO COMING OUT OF THAT, UM, WE HAD A NOISE STUDY CONDUCTED OUT HERE. SO WE HAD TWO NOISE LEVEL MONITORS SET UP AT THE SITE, ONE WITHIN THE SITE. AND ACTUALLY I'LL GO TO AN EXHIBIT SHOWING YOU WHERE, SO WE HAD ONE MONITOR AT THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE OF THE SITE, AND THEN ONE MONITOR ROUGHLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE WHERE YOU CAN SEE IT LABELED LT TWO. THIS WAS ON OCTOBER 6TH AND SEVENTH. WE TOOK 24 HOUR SOUND READINGS OUT HERE. THAT DATA SHOWED [00:25:01] THAT FROM THE EXISTING CONTRIBUTORS TO SOUND AND NOISE OUT HERE BEING I 10 THOMPSON ROAD, WADE ROAD, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST NORMAL AMBIENT NOISES, YOU WOULD HEAR OUTSIDE, UH, NOISE LEVELS AVERAGED ANYWHERE ON SITE DURING THAT 24 HOUR PERIOD, UM, TO BE 57.2 DECIBELS. AND THEN AT THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE, 55.7 DECIBELS. SO JUST TO PUT THAT INTO PERSPECTIVE, A REFRIGERATOR IS ABOUT 45 DECIBELS. A RUNNING AC UNIT IS ABOUT 60. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE THAT FALLS. THEN, UM, USING, UM, EPA CRITERIA FOR, UH, I'M SORRY, NOT EPA, UM, FEDERAL CRITERIA FOR SOUND. UH, WE DID AN ANALYSIS, UM, BASED ON THE PROPOSED OPERATIONS ON THE SITE, THE NUMBER OF LOCOMOTIVES, THE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES THAT WOULD BE GOING ON, UM, RAN THAT ANALYSIS. AND WHAT CAME BACK IS SOUND LEVELS ON THE SITE OPERATING WOULD RANGE ANYWHERE FROM 30 TO 44 DECIBELS. AND SO WHEN YOU TAKE THAT, IT'S NOT A, UH, IT'S NOT LINEAR. SO IT'S NOT A SITUATION WHERE YOU ADD THE AVERAGE 55 DECIBELS ON SITE. YOU DON'T ADD 30 TO 44, AND IT'S SUDDENLY, YOU KNOW, 80 TO 94 DECIBELS. THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT, IT, IT WORKS. SO THAT 30 TO 44 DECIBELS IS GONNA ADD JUST A FEW DECIBELS OF SOUND OUT HERE TO WHAT'S ALREADY, UH, EXISTING CONDITIONS. SO WE, WE THEN TOOK THAT AND WE MODELED WHAT A WALL WOULD DO ALONG THAT SOUTH PROPERTY LINE. SO WE MODELED A 10 FOOT WALL, A 15 FOOT WALL, AND A 20 FOOT WALL. AND WHAT WE FOUND WAS THE CHANGE IN GOING FROM, UH, A 10 FOOT TO A 15 FOOT WALL ONLY REDUCED SOUND BY ONE DECIBEL GOING FROM A 15 TO A 20 FOOT WALL, REDUCE, REDUCE SOUND BY ONE MORE DECIBEL. SO THE DIFFERENCE IN GOING FROM A 10 FOOT WALL TO A 20 FOOT WALL REDUCED THE, THE SOUND IMPACT AT THAT SOUTH PROPERTY LINE, OR JUST SOUTH OF THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE BY TWO DECIBELS, WHICH THAT, UM, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, IT'S BARELY PERCEPTIBLE IF PERCEPTIBLE AT ALL BY THE HUMAN EAR, THE TWO DECIBELS. AND SO OUR REQUEST IS, OR OUR HOPE IS THAT WE CAN GO BACK TO THE 10 FOOT WALL THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED IN OUR SUBMITTAL, UM, TO PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, IF THERE'S NOT, UH, A SIGNIFICANT SOUND REDUCTION, THEN THE 10 FOOT WALL WOULD BE MORE A VISUAL BARRIER FOR AESTHETIC REASONS. AND SO MY THINKING ANYWAY IS IF YOU GO FROM A 10 FOOT WALL TO A 20 FOOT WALL, THAT 20 FOOT WALL IS JUST GONNA BE IMPOSING AND MORE, I THINK A VISUAL NUISANCE TO THE RESIDENTS SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY. UM, THE 10 FOOT WALL WILL DO MORE THAN ENOUGH TO SCREEN ANY OPPORTUNITY TO SEE ON THE SITE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO SEE RAIL CARS. UM, AND SO OUR REQUEST WOULD BE THAT WE BE ALLOWED TO GO BACK TO THE 10 FOOT WALL THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, I'LL, I'LL NOTE YOUR REQUEST. OKAY, THANK YOU. YES. UM, WHEN, WHEN YOU SAY WALL, DOES THAT REFER ALSO TO A BERM? CAN YOU CONSIDER A BERM A WALL OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE A CONCRETE WALL? SO WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS A CONCRETE WALL. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED A BERM? I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'RE VERY FAR ALONG IN YOUR PLANS, BUT SO WE DID, AND THE SOUTHERN MOST 50 FOOT WIDE STRIP OF OUR PROPERTY IS A PIPELINE EASEMENT. AND SO WE HAD PROPOSED A BERM IN THERE, UM, AND THEN WENT TO THE PIPELINE COMPANY AND THEY SAID, THAT'S NOT RIGHT. THAT'S A A NO-GO. AND I'M SURE YOU WOULDN'T WANNA TAKE UP YOUR PROPERTY FOR A BERM. I'M JUST THINKING, BECAUSE I HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE IN THIS AND, UM, BLOCKING A RAILWAY FROM, UM, A COMMUNITY. AND, UM, BERMS TYPICALLY ACT AS BETTER VISUAL BARRIERS THAN CONCRETE WALLS. AND I'VE SEEN EVEN RECENTLY, UM, GRASSY BERMS HAVE TREES ADDED TO THE TOP. AND SO IF YOUR GOALS NOT REALLY, UM, SOUND REDUCTION, IT'S MORE OF A VISUAL BARRIER, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT A BERM WOULD BE PREFERABLE TO A WALL. SO LET ME ASK WITH THAT, UM, BECAUSE YOU SAID ONLY THE LAST 50 FEET IS, IS WHAT WAS AN ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S THE 50 FEET CLOSEST THEN, I'M ASSUMING, RIGHT. CLOSEST TO THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY FOOT RIGHT AWAY, THAT WAS AN EASEMENT, IS THAT CORRECT? I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. I'M SORRY. EASEMENT. YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S 50 FOOT WIDE IS WHAT I THINK. THAT'S WHAT I WAS EXPLAINING YES. OR WHAT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME EARLIER. SO YES. OKAY. IT'S 50 50, BUT THE ENTIRETY OF, OF THE WALL, THE, I GUESS YOU WOULD CON I CONSIDER THAT THE, UM, REALLY BE A SOUTHERN WALL. MM-HMM . BUT THE, THE ENTIRE LENGTH, UH, IN A SENSE, UM, ALL, ALL OF THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE EASEMENT, ENCROACHMENT OR WHATEVER. CORRECT? YES, SIR. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. YES, SIR. OKAY. I'LL [00:30:01] START HERE FOR, FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE, THE SOUND. THE DIFFERENCE IN A BURN IN A WALL, THE, THE BURN, THE SOUND WILL GO OVER THE TOP RIGHT DOWN AND NOT EVEN SLOW THE SOUND WAVE DOWN. SO IF YOU'RE GET 80 DECIBELS, IT'LL GO RIGHT OVER THE TOP. YOU STILL RECEIVE 80 DECIBELS DOWN FROM THAT BER THE WALL. YOU DO HAVE SOME DEFLECTION WHEN THE SOUND WAVE HITS IT, YOU HAVE SOME DEFLECTED BACK, SOME GOES OVER THE WALL. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A REDUCTION OF SOMEWHAT. I BELIEVE THERE'S ALSO A DRAWING IN THERE THAT SHOWS, UH, THE VISUAL OF WHAT THE, THE WALL IS GONNA LOOK LIKE. YES. UH, IT IS MASONRY LOOKING. AND ALSO I BELIEVE THERE'S A DRAWING WHERE THERE'S A PERSON, YOU HAVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE SHOWING THE ELEVATION OF WHAT THEY'RE SEEING OVER THE TOP OF THE WALL. THERE YOU GO. I THINK THAT'S THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. SO FOR VISUAL, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE, THEY'VE GOT THAT COVERAGE AS FAR AS A 10 FOOT WALL WHERE THEY WON'T BE SEEING CARS AS YOU'RE ON THE WEST SIDE OR ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT WALL. ALRIGHT. YES SIR. UH, UH, ONE OTHER THING IF I MAY. OKAY. UM, AS FAR AS SOUND, ONE THING THAT COMES OUT OF A RAIL CAR, UH, THAT'S VERY LOUD. NUMBER ONE IS THE LOCOMOTIVES REV IT UP. MM-HMM . NUMBER TWO IS, IS I'M BACKING CARS INTO THE HOLE AND I'M RELEASING THE CARS AND THEY RUN THE LENGTH OF THE RAIL AND THEN BUMP INTO THE OTHER CAR. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT THAT? I BELIEVE WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT. WE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A LOCOMOTIVE, UH, FORMER, HE WOULDN'T LIKE TO DO IT TODAY, BUT HE'S OPERATED THEM. BUT A LOCOMOTIVE HAS, UH, EIGHT POSITION SETTINGS IN, IN THERE FOR THROTTLE AND, AND, AND IN A SWITCHING YARD, IN THIS SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE DEAD END, WE DON'T WANT A DEAD END TRACKS. WE DON'T WANNA REACH MORE THAN 10 MILES AN HOUR IN SWITCHING SPEED. SO YOU NEVER GET ABOVE POSITION THREE ON THE THROTTLE. YOU JUST STAY LOW, LOW, LOW SPEED. THE REASON WE USE LOCOMOTIVES IS ACTUALLY TO BE SAFER. IT'S NOT STARTING A LOCOMOTIVE THAT'S DIFFICULT, IT'S STOPPING IT. SO YOU WANT ENOUGH ENGINE, ENOUGH WEIGHT TO BE ABLE TO GENTLY WITHOUT HAVING TO OVER REV IT. AND, AND, AND YOU WANNA BE ABLE TO GENTLY APPLY THE BRAKES AND CONTROL THE ENTIRE CAR. ALL THE CARS ARE CONTROLLED WITH AIR, JUST LIKE A TRACTOR TRAILER, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT. THE BRAKES ARE CONTROLLED BY AIR. UH, AS FAR AS THAT CONCEPT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT CARS ROLLING, THAT'S WHAT WE CALL IN THE INDUSTRY KICKING CARS. WE JUST KICK 'EM IN AND LET 'EM ROLL. WE DON'T DO THAT. OUR INSURANCE COMPANY DOESN'T ALLOW THAT. THAT'S A FROWNED UPON, UH, THING YOU HEAR ABOUT. I KNOW THE BIG RAILROADS DO. UH, AND, AND TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE, WE'RE LIKE THE HOMEOWNER AND THEY'RE, THE UP IS LIKE CENTER POINT. WE JUST BUILT OUR HOUSE THE BEST WE CAN. AND SO ONE OF OUR THINGS WE DON'T DO IS ALLOW THE KICKING OF CARS AND, AND WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT BEING PART OF THE, UH, PART OF THE, HOWEVER YOU FIND ON THIS THING, THIS THING. BUT WE WANT TO PLACE 'EM UNDER AIR, SPOT 'EM, PARK 'EM, SET THE HAND BRAKES IF NEEDED AND, AND, AND PULL BACK OUT, UH, SAFELY. VERY GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? BOB ACTUALLY STOLE SOME OF MY THUNDER OR I WAS ACTUALLY, IT'S MY NEXT TO LAST DAY. GIMME A BREAK. . I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA SAY, I ACTUALLY GREW UP WITH A RAILROAD TRACK 10 YARDS FROM MY BACK DOOR. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT IT WAS LIKE HEARING THE KICKING OF THOSE RAIL CARS. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK. WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE TO MITIGATE OR ALLEVIATE IT. I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT YOU ALL DO NOT ALLOW IT. UM, AS FAR AS THE WALL, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT'S TWO DECIBELS, THAT'S A, THAT'S LESS SOUND THAT'S GOING TO INTRUDE ON YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY ENGINEER. UM, HEARING THAT SOMETIMES IT'S NOT AUDIBLE TO THE HUMAN EAR MAKES ME FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORTABLE ABOUT IT. BUT I CAN TELL YOU NOW, I PROBABLY, IF THE 20 FOOT WALL WAS RECOMMENDED, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WAS PLANNING AND ZONING'S REASONING FOR THE 20 FOOT WALL? WAS IT JUST FOR THE SOUND OR WAS IT MORE ABOUT THEM KNOWING THAT NO ONE WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE ANYTHING GOING ON ON THE OTHER SIDE? UH, TO BE HONEST, I THINK IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF ALL OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID. OKAY. IS THAT, UM, THEY FELT THAT WHEN THE RECOMMENDATION CAME UP, UM, THE, THE COMMISSIONER BASICALLY STATED THAT THEY DIDN'T FEEL THAT 10 FEET WAS GONNA BE ENOUGH. OKAY. NOW, THEY DIDN'T DO ANY STUDIES THEMSELVES, BUT THEY JUST FELT THAT 20 FEET WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE SIZE OF THE CARS, UM, AND HOW THEY WERE GONNA BE PLACED ON THE GROUND, THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS VISIBLY OBSTRUCTED, UM, FROM ANYONE'S BACKYARD THAT THEY HAD THERE. AND THEY JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WASN'T GOING TO HAVE ANY SOUND POLLUTION AND OR LIGHT POLLUTION ONTO ANY ADJACENT PROPERTY. OKAY. GOOD DEAL. AND, AND LEMME MAKE SURE I, I UNDERSTAND. SO I, I MEAN, I [00:35:01] ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOUND. SO AT 10 FEET, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 10 FOOT WALL AND A 15 FOOT WALL, YOU ONLY GET A A MINUS TWO DECIBEL. IS THAT CORRECT? ONE, SORRY. IT WAS, IT WAS MINUS ONE FOR 10, 10 TO 15 MINUS ONE FROM 10 FEET TO 15. 15. AND THEN THE 15 TO 20. YOU GOT ONE MORE? ONE, ONE MORE. OKAY. ONE MORE. SO, I MEAN, I'M, I'M JUST GONNA TELL YOU MY HONEST OPINION. THAT'S PROBABLY WITHIN JUST ACCURACY OF YOUR DECIBEL, YOUR METER ITSELF, PLUS OR MINUS ONE. SO YOU'RE NOT, THERE'S NO NET GAIN. YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A LOT OF VALUE. AND I THINK EVENTUALLY YOU BUILD A WALL SO HIGH THAT IT, IT IT BECOMES THE VISIBLE BLIGHT YOU'RE TRYING TO PREVENT. SO, UM, IT, IT, UM, I WILL, I'LL YOU UP THE COUNSEL, BUT THERE'S NOT MUCH GAIN BETWEEN THAT. BUT I UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, IF YOU JUST PICK SOMETHING ARBITRARY, IT SOUNDS, THE BIGGER THE WALL, THE BETTER, THE BETTER YOU CONTROL SOUND. BUT SOMETIMES THAT MIGHT MAY NOT BE THE CASE WHERE IT ACTUALLY COULD WORK AS AN AMPLIFIER IN SOME CASES. BUT, WELL, AND I, I GUESS TO TO COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON'S POINT, YOU KNOW, TWO DECIBELS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BETTER THAN NOTHING. MM-HMM . WHILE I AGREE, IT'S AGAIN, IMPERCEPTIBLE TO THE HUMAN EAR, BUT ALSO ARE WE DOING MORE HARM THAN GOOD BY DOING EXACTLY THE ENORMOUS WALL THAT PEOPLE ARE JUST YEAH. STARING UP AT. I'D RATHER, AND THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD MAKE WITH THAT WOULD BE, I WOULD RATHER YOU, WHEN IT COMES TO RESOURCES, 'CAUSE I DON'T SEE A LOT OF GAIN THERE. I SPOKE TO YOU WITH ABOUT LIGHT POLLUTION MM-HMM . AND OBVIOUSLY AN ACTIVE CROSSING INDICATOR. I'D RATHER USE RESOURCES FOR SOMETHING THAT WOULD REALLY HELP THE COMMUNITY AND CERTAINLY, UH, PEOPLE THAT WILL TRAVEL ALONG THAT CORRIDOR. YEAH. AND, AND THEN MY OTHER COMMENT WAS GOING TO BE IF PLANTING AND ZONING WAS LOOKING AT THIS 20 FOOT WALL BEING BETTER FOR NOT SEEING ANYTHING AND FOR LIGHT POLLUTION, ESPECIALLY LIGHT POLLUTION, I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE SO FAR ADVANCED IN TECHNOLOGY WHERE YOU CAN HAVE, YOU CAN ADJUST YOUR LIGHTING TO WHERE IT WOULDN'T POLLUTE YOUR NEIGHBORS. I, I HAVE A COUPLE SLIDES ON THAT. OKAY. IF YOU'D LIKE. UM, SO WE'VE LOOKED AT A COUPLE DIFFERENT PRODUCTS, AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM THAT, UM, SO IN A COUPLE OF THESE ARE SLIDES OF, OF RAIL YARDS. AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE SHIELDING OF THE LIGHTS AT THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY. AND IT'S JUST, IT'S A PRETTY STARK CONTRAST BETWEEN ONSITE AND IMMEDIATELY OFF. UM, AND SO THE, THE INTENT WOULD BE, UM, TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, MAYOR PUT SOME OF THOSE DOLLARS TOWARDS AN APPLICATION LIKE THIS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THERE IS NO SPILLOVER OF LIGHT ONTO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. THEY DO, YOU KNOW, THOSE RESIDENTIAL LOTS ON THAT SOUTH PROPERTY LINE ARE VERY, VERY DEEP. LOTS NARROW. I DON'T HAVE, THAT MUST BE SIX OR 700 FOOT DEEP OR SOMETHING. I THINK MOST OF THEM COUNCILMEN, I WOULD SAY 90% OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY LARGER ACRES, LIKE 10 TO 10 TO 15 ACRES IN SOME CASES, OR AT LEAST AT LEAST 10. SO THE HOUSES ARE LONG, THERE'S ONLY ONE TRACK THAT HAS MULTIPLE HOUSES ON IT MM-HMM . UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THEY'RE ALL REALLY PRETTY MUCH VERY, VERY RURAL, UH, TYPE AND ALL THE HOUSING IS WELL ON THE FRONT OF CEDAR BY LYNCHBURG, NOT NEAR WHERE THEIR DEVELOPMENT IS. WELL, TO ME IT'S A LITTLE DISAPPOINTING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE THIS WALL THING OUT AND PLANNING A ZONING JUST SAYS, I MEAN, FOR HOW IT SOUNDS, I NO, LET'S JUST DO 20, I THINK IT, IT SOUNDED MORE, A LITTLE BIT MORE ARBITRARY ALREADY BACK THAT UP IF WE WANT 20. WELL, IT SOUNDED IT WAS MORE ARBITRARY, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY WENT AND DID, THEY GOT A SOUND ENGINEER, THEY DID THE SOUND BASELINE. BASELINE. YEAH. THEY DID IT RIGHT. BUT WE DIDN'T YEAH'S MY POINT. YEAH. WE THERE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA, IF THEY THINK TEN'S OKAY, AND WE JUST SAY, NO, WE WANT 20, BUT WE DON'T STUDY IT, WE DON'T FIGURE IT OUT. NOTHING'S JUST WRONG. IS JUST WRONG. AND I, I UNDERSTAND, BUT LUCKILY TONIGHT, COUNSEL, WE GET TO MAKE A DECISION WITH DATA. AND SO LET'S SUGGEST WELL, THAT WAS FROM LEN AND ZONING COMMISSION THOUGH, THAT THAT WASN'T A STAFF RECOMMENDATION. OH, OKAY. OKAY. WELL, WHOEVER, I MEAN, THEY ALREADY FIGURED OUT. WELL, AND, AND I FORGOT TO MENTION THIS BEFORE, UM, STAFF CAME UP AND, AND TOLD ME TOO IS, UH, AS A REMINDER IS THAT AT THE TIME WHEN, WHEN THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED THEIR, THEIR FENCE PLANS, WHICH THEY HAD STRUCTURAL FENCE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, THESE TYPES OF PLANS, THEY CAME, THEY COME IN CERTAIN MANUFACTURED HEIGHTS LIMITATIONS. ONE WOULD BEING 10 FEET, ONE BEING 20 FEET AND ONE BEING 30 FEET. SO THERE WERE, THERE WERE SPECIFICATIONS GIVEN FOR EACH OF THOSE SIZES. AND SO AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, AGAIN, BECAUSE THERE WASN'T ANY STUDY DONE AT THE TIME, THEY FELT THAT 10 WAS TOO SMALL, 20 FEET WAS THERE, WEREN'T SURE IF IT WAS GONNA BE TOO BIG, BUT IT WAS THE IN-BETWEEN THAT PROBABLY WAS GOING TO BEST MASK ALL OF THOSE NOISE AND, AND LIGHT, UH, THAT THEY THOUGHT WAS GONNA, UH, COME ACROSS ONTO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. OKAY. YES, SIR. DO YOU HAVE AN ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT THIS WALL IS GONNA LOOK LIKE? UH, YES, I DO. I'M ASSUMING, IS IT THAT KINDA LIKE THAT CONCRETE? YEAH. KIND OF LOOKED LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF STONE. IT WAS, IT WAS IN YOUR PACKET, SIR. UM, AND, BUT I CAN SHOW IT ON THE SCREEN. YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO BEAR WITH ME FOR A SECOND. [00:40:05] SO ALSO WHILE YOU DO THAT, SO WITH THE LIGHTING, MY UNDERSTANDING BESIDES WHERE THE RAIL YARD WOULD BE, THERE WILL BE A, A BUILDING AT SOME POINT IN TIME THAT WOULD ALSO HELP CONFINE BOTH SOUND AND LIGHT, I'M ASSUMING. UH OH, I'M SORRY. YEAH, THERE YOU GO. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. MAY YES MA'AM. UM, WHILE THEY'RE LOOKING, SO DID PLANNING AND ZONING NOT HAVE THIS DATA ON THE NOISE AND THE DIFFERENCE? THEY DID NOT HAVE IT AT THE TIME? MM-HMM. MM-HMM. OKAY. YEAH, I THINK BASED OFF OF, OF THE, THE, THE, UM, CONVERSATION OR DISCUSSION AT PLANNING AND ZONING, THAT'S WHAT INITIATED THEM TO DO, GET A SOUND ENGINEERING AND DO THE SOUND STUDY, WHICH WAS GOOD. AND YOU HAVE A BASELINE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY EXPRESSED, SO. GOT IT. UM, AND MY SECOND QUESTION, UM, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE SETBACK. I, I HADN'T SEEN THE SETBACK, BUT WOULD THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY MAYBE, UM, IF YOU ARE GOING WITH THE 10, UM, ON THE SOUTHERN PART WHERE IT MEETS UP WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO MAYBE PLANT SOME TREES AROUND THAT WALL SO THEY'RE NOT JUST STARING AT A WALL? WELL, I DON'T THINK THEY CAN BECAUSE OF THE EASEMENT. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. PIPELINE PROPERTY. YEAH. THEY, THEY, THE PIPELINE WON'T LET THEM DO IT. THE PIPELINE CLOSED. GOT IT. SO MAYOR, WE HAD ANY INPUT FROM ANY OF THE CITIZENS THAT LIVE ON WEST CEDAR OF IOWA ROAD, RIGHT THERE. ARE THEY, I I WILL EXPRESS ONE THING AND THEN I'LL, I'LL LET COUNCILMAN JOHNSON EXPRESS THE REST. SO MY UNDERSTANDING WAS I, I THINK, UH, THROUGH OUR REGULAR PRO ZONING PROCESS, THE, THE CITIZENS, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE IN THE COUNTY, THEY'RE NOT IN THE CITY. THEY WERE, THEY WERE GIVEN NOTICE AND THE, THE TWO PUBLIC, I THINK IT WAS TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WENT THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING. SO THEY WERE NOTIFIED. I, I BELIEVE THERE WAS NO COMMENTS EITHER WAY. AND THEN, UH, JUST MONDAY, UM, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON AT THE, HE MADE A REQUEST LAST WEEK. AND SO MR. TIKA AND HIS, HIS GROUP, UH, THEY CONDUCTED A, A, UM, A MEETING FOR, FOR SOME OF THE FOLKS CLOSEST TO SOME OF OUR CITIZENS CLOSEST TO THE PROPOSED PROJECT. AND, UM, I THINK IT WAS EDUCATIONAL. IT WAS EDUCATIONAL FOR ME. MM-HMM . I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE LOOKED AT THE SAME EMPTY RAIL CAR THREE TIMES IN BAYTOWN. UM, BUT, UH, I'LL LET COUNCILMAN JOHNSON TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT OF THE OUTCOME IN THAT DISCUSSION. I ACTUALLY HAD STARTED GETTING PHONE CALLS AND EMAILS PROBABLY THE END OF AUGUST, EARLY SEPTEMBER. AND I HAVE SOME VERY CLOSE PERSONAL FRIENDS THAT ACTUALLY STAY ON CEDAR BAYOU LYNCHBURG DIRECTLY SOUTH OF WHERE THIS IS GOING TO BE. AND, UM, THEY VOICED THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THE NOISE, ABOUT THE LIGHTING AND TRAFFIC RAIL TRAFFIC IN GENERAL. AFTER MR. TIKIS REACHED OUT TO ME ABOUT A WEEK AGO, I SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, I HONESTLY THINK THAT EDUCATING OUR CITIZENS AND I, AND HAVING A SESSION WHERE YOU COULD HEAR THEIR CONCERNS AND BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS WOULD BE HELPFUL. AND WE HAD ABOUT SEVEN INDIVIDUALS, RIGHT. SEVEN OR EIGHT INDIVIDUALS SHOW UP. I LEARNED SOME THINGS, LIKE, AS THE MAYOR SAID, ONE OF THE THINGS I LEARNED, I ASKED THEM HOW MANY RAIL CARS, IF THEY WERE LINED UP NOT GOING ANYWHERE, WHAT, WHAT NUMBER OF RAIL CARS WOULD IT BE FROM VILLE ROAD DOWN TO SPUR THREE THIRTY, TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY NINE RAIL CARS? AND I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE HAS BEEN AT LEAST 259 RAIL CARS BLOCKING EACH OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS BECAUSE I'VE GOTTEN PHONE CALLS ABOUT IT WHEN I ASKED HOW MANY RAIL CARS COULD BE STORED IN THE RAIL PARKING LOT, RAIL YARD, 1500 TO 1800, WHAT'S THE NUMBER? YEAH. SOMEWHERE. SO YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY SIX, THE 2 59, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET. AFTER HEARING THAT, IT CHANGED MY MIND. A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE ON THAT VIDEO TELECONFERENCE, IT OPENED THEIR MINDS. IT OPENED THEIR, IT ALLOWED THEM TO OPEN THEIR HE EARS TO HEAR WHAT ELSE WAS BEING SAID TO MITIGATE THEIR CONCERNS. AND NO SCHOOL AND CROSSBONES WAS A BIG ONE. THE NOISE WAS ANOTHER BIG ONE. AND THEN JUST KNOWING THAT, UM, INDUSTRY WAS WANTING THIS TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THEY HAD HEARD THE CONCERNS OF OUR CITIZENS HAVING TO SIT AT RAIL CROSSINGS, 10, 15, SOMETIMES 20 MINUTES, THEY, THEY, THEY WERE MORE, MORE IN FAVOR OF IT THAN THEY WERE BEFORE. UM, ONE QUESTION I DO HAVE FROM A CITIZEN THAT I TOLD THEM I WOULD ASK, WOULD RAIL, WOULD RAIL CROSSING AT CEDAR BY LYNCHBURG BE BLOCKED BY A TRAIN CROSS THE TRACKS FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME? THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT ALL MONDAY. NOW THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. NOW THIS WAS SOMEONE WHO WASN'T THERE, BUT LOOKING AT THE MAP, THEY'RE GONNA BE, THE RAIL YARD IS GOING TO BE JUST BEFORE THAT [00:45:01] CROSSING. SO THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY RAIL CARS BLOCKING THAT INTERSECTION FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. AM I CORRECT? NOT NOT OUR CARS, THAT THAT'S THE THREAT. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. UP. WE'LL, WE'LL KEEP FIGHTING THEM, BUT YES, THE UP ALLOWED US TO TIE INTO THE NORTH END OF THEIR YARD. MM-HMM . WHICH KEEPS US OPERATING UNDER THE OVERPASS AT I 10 AND KEEPS THINGS AWAY FROM, UH, KEEPS THINGS AWAY FROM THE ROAD CROSSING. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASON WE'RE ORIENTATED IT THIS WAY, IS TO PREVENT OUR CARS FROM HAVING TO BLOCK THAT CROSS. OKAY. AND LET ME SAY THIS, I REALLY WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THEM FOR TAKING THE TIME ON SUCH SHORT NOTICE. I BELIEVE WE GOT THAT MEETING SET UP IN THREE DAYS. WAS THAT THREE DAYS, RICK? PRETTY MUCH. WELL, IT WAS, UH, WE, WE MET ON THURSDAY. WE HAD IT SET UP BY FRIDAY. FOR MONDAY. FOR MONDAY MOR YEAH. AND, UM, THE, THE RESIDENTS REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME AND EFFORT AND I APPRECIATE YOU GOING THE EXTRA MILE AND, UM, WANTING TO EDUCATE THEM. OKAY. ONE OTHER, UH, I THINK WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THAT IS WHAT THE EXTERIOR WALL IS GONNA LOOK LIKE ON THE SOUTH SIDE. SO IT IS GONNA LOOK LIKE A LIMESTONE IN REGARDS TO THE CAR TRAFFIC THAT, UH, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON TALKS ABOUT. AND WE HAVE A PROBLEM ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN, ON THE RAIL TRAFFIC BLOCKING THESE INTERSECTIONS, BUT THAT ALSO INCLUDES ALL THE INTERSECTIONS ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN. MM-HMM . WHERE THIS RAIL CAR, AS IT MAKES ITS CIRCUIT, IT BLOCKS OFF SIX OR SEVEN INTERSECTIONS THERE ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN. IT COMPLETELY PLUGS THIS STUFF UP. SO YOU TAKE THESE CARS OFF THE INVENTORY LIST AND THE STORAGE LIST AND THESE OTHER SATELLITE WAREHOUSES AND PUT 'EM ALL IN THIS YARD, YOU'VE REDUCED THE LENGTH OF THAT TRAIN NOW. SO NOW THAT TRAIN WILL GO ON THROUGH TOWN AND ALMOST GET OUT OF TOWN AND UNBLOCK ALL THESE INTERSECTIONS THAT WE HAVE. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS GONNA DO FOR US. SO IT'S GONNA FREE UP A LOT OF OUR CAR TRAFFIC BY GETTING ALL THE RAIL TRAFFIC ON OUT OF TOWN. AND IF YOU RECALL, WHEN WE HAD THIS PROBLEM HERE NOT LONG AGO, WE'RE DEALING WITH UNION PACIFIC MM-HMM . BLOCKING ALL THESE RAIL CARS, THEY FINALLY COMMITTED TO PUTTING IN A SPUR BESIDE THIS RAIL THAT'S COMING FROM MOUNT BELLEVUE DOWN INTO BAYTOWN MM-HMM . AND THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT NOW. SO IN ADDITION TO THAT SPUR THAT THEY'RE ADDING AND THIS RAIL FACILITY HERE, IT'S GOING TO ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE SEEING, OR IT'LL ALLEVIATE MOST OF THEM. RIGHT. THERE'S, THERE'S STILL A RAILROAD, SO IT'S . AND SO I, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING FOR THE CITY OF BAYTOWN AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THE INDUSTRIES THAT'S GONNA BE USING THIS AS THEIR STORAGE FACILITY. AND ONE THING I, TALKING WITH THE GENTLEMAN HERE, UH, ALL OF THEM OVER THERE, THAT ONE THING THEY PROMISED IS, IS WHAT'S GONNA BE STORED THERE. WE'RE NOT GONNA BRING IN THE HAZARDOUS CARGO THAT DOES EXIST RIGHT NOW ON THE EAST SIDE AT THE, AT THE UP YARD. THAT DOES EXIST THERE. YEAH. BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW IT IN THEIR FACILITY. AND ALL THE NOISE THAT GOES ON, ON THE EAST SIDE AT THE UP YARD MM-HMM . THEY'RE GOING TO CONTROL IN THIS YARD. MM-HMM . SO IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT'S GONNA BE DONE THERE. AND IT'S GONNA BE, UH, LOWER IN THE CAR COUNT THAT'S GONNA BE SITTING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, THEREBY, UH, THOMPSON ROAD. MM-HMM . NOT THOMPSON ROAD. YES. UM, AND SO IT'S GONNA HELP OVERALL THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY AND THE ENTIRE CITY OF BAYTOWN AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. SO I, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING. COULD WE ALSO, UM, MAKE MENTION OF, WE ALSO DISCUSSED SIGNALIZATION TO LET PEOPLE KNOW AHEAD OF TIME WHEN THEY, I I THINK WHEN WE GET TO, TO ITEM FOUR, UH, EXCUSE ME. UH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE TWO E LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. OKAY. BUT YEAH, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHEN WE CAN SUMMARIZE THE, THE WHOLE SUP. OKAY. OKAY. BECAUSE WE STILL ARE IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO PHASE, BUT I THINK WE, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, TECHNICAL QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING? OKAY. SO WITH THAT, UH, I'LL NOW BEING, BEING THAT THERE'S NO ONE ELSE ASSIGNED TO SPEAK, AND I'LL CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING CONCERNING IN THE REZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 136.57 ACRES, ADDRESSES 65 S 65 11 THOMPSON ROAD FROM ALLI ZONING DISTRICT TO I ZONING DISTRICT. SO MOVE ON TO ITEM [d. Consider an ordinance amending the Baytown 2025 Comprehensive Plan's Future Land Use Plan for properties generally located along Wade Road, north of its intersection with State Highway Spur 330 and South of its intersection with Interstate Highway 10 in Harris County, Texas.] FOUR IS GONNA BE FOUR D, E, AND F. BUT FIRST WE'LL TAKE ON, UH, CONSIDER ORDINANCE AMENDING THE BAYTOWN 2025 COMPREHENSIVE, UH, PLANS, FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR PROPERTIES GENERALLY LOCATED ALONG WADE ROAD, NORTH OF ITS INTERSECTION WITH STATE HIGHWAY SPUR THREE 30 AND SOUTH OF ITS INTERSECTION WITH INTERSTATE I 10 IN HARRIS COUNTY, MR. DIETRICH. SO, UM, WHEN WE, UH, PRESENTED THIS BEFORE, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UM, WE HAD TWO ALTERNATIVES. ONE, UM, THEY WERE VERY SIMILAR. UM, WE KIND OF, THIS LOOKS LIKE A, A PRETTY MUCH LIKE AN AX I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY. YEP. UM, THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE THAT WE PRESENTED WAS JUST AS A, HAD A LARGER, UM, HANDLE TO IT THAT WENT UP AND DOWN THE, THE RAIL ITSELF. THE RAIL LINE ITSELF. UM, HOWEVER, UM, PNZ FELT THAT THIS WAS MORE APPROPRIATE TO FOLLOW THE RAIL LINE STRAIGHTLY STRAIGHT UP TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. AND THEN THIS WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDED, UH, CHANGE TO THE, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. UM, AND IT WOULD LOOK LIKE THIS WOULD BE THE INDUSTRIAL PORTION OF [00:50:01] IT SURROUNDED BY, UM, A BUSINESS PARK. THIS AREA FOLLOWS RIGHT DOWN HERE, FOLLOWS WADE ROAD. YEAH. ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THREE 30. HOW, HOW WIDE IS THAT? JUST THIS HAS A JUST, UM, IT'S, IT'S THE, THE WIDTH OF THE, THE UP LINE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEM 2D. MOTION TO SECOND. MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 2D. WE HAVE A MOTION. HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. ALRIGHT. MOTION TO SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR IN ITEM 2D UH, AS PRESENTED, PLEASE SAY AYE. A ALL THOSE OPPOSED ITEM, UH, TWO [e. Consider an ordinance approving a Special Use Permit (SUP) for Heavy Industrial (HI) use(s) for 136.57 acres, located at 6511 Thompson Road, legally described as Tract 3, Block 2; Tracts 20 & 20A, Block 20; Tract 21B-1, Block 22; and Tracts 23 & 23C, Block 23 of the Elena Fruit & Cotton Farms “C,” Harris County, Texas.] E CONSIDER ORDINANCE APPRO A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES FOR 136.57 ACRES. LOCATED AT THE ADDRESS I ALREADY DESCRIBED, UH, MR. DIETRICH. SO, UH, ALSO AS, UH, FROM PLANNING AND ZONING, THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS MADE, UM, THAT ALONG WITH THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT, MOVING FROM, UM, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE GOING TO BE MADE. AND, UM, ALONG WITH THOSE, I THINK, UH, COUNCILMAN HOSKINS WANTED TO ADD TO THE MATERIALS, THE, THAT PROHIBITION ON CERTAIN TYPES OF MATERIALS THAT WERE GONNA BE STORED IN THE YARD. OKAY. UM, THE, THE CURRENT ITEMS THAT WERE INCLUDED FROM, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING WERE MATERIALS THAT ARE TOXIC AND HAZARDOUS BY INHALATION, UM, AND HYDROUS, UH, AMMONIA. AND I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN HOSKINS WANTED TO ADD TO THIS, UM, ACQUIESCE AMMONIA. AND IF WE NEED TO, WE WILL AMEND IT. YOU MAKE THAT AS A, AS A YES SIR. OKAY. WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT. UM, ALONG WITH THAT, UH, SPENT NUCLEAR WASTE AND HIGH LEVEL RADIO ACTION WASTE, UM, INCLUDING, UH, CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE OF A 20 FOOT WALL, UH, SOUND AND, AND LIGHT BARRIER WALL ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE. AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT MUST, UH, CONFORM TO THE SITE PLAN, WHICH IS ATTACHED AS THE, AS A, AS PART OF THE, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THOSE WERE THE THREE CONDITIONS THAT WERE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SIR, FROM WHAT, WHAT Y'ALL T FOR PLANNING AND ZONING AS THE AS, BUT THE ONES WE NEED TO ADDRESS BESIDES COUNCILMAN OSKINS, UM, ON, ON, UM, I GUESS WE'D CALL IT SUBSTANCES OR MATERIALS, BUT THE 10 FOOT VERSUS THE, THE 20 FOOT. NOW THAT WE HAVE DATA, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS ON, ON 10 FOOT, 10 FEET WALL OR 10 FOOT WALL, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY WAS SATISFIED WITH THAT. BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE. SURE. COUNCILMEN, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE 10 FOOT WALL? I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THE 10 FOOT WALL. OKAY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. OKAY. SO I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE ONE AREA THAT THAT WOULD BE MADE IN AN ADJUSTMENT TO, TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED. UM, I GUESS AT THIS POINT, IS THERE ANYTHING, NATHAN? UM, I'LL ADD A FEW THINGS, BUT THEY MAY BE ALREADY IN THERE. I JUST DON'T KNOW. SO THE FIRST THING WAS THAT I, I'M GONNA USE THEIR TERMINOLOGY NO KICKING ON, ON PREMISE. SO IF THERE'S A BETTER TERM THAN THAT, THEN PLEASE DO SO. BUT PRE-ROLL OF CARS, WE WON'T. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD'VE CALLED IT. BUT , WE ALWAYS GOTTA HAVE A COOL NAME. YES. OKAY. AND THEN I THINK, UM, I WILL TELL, I WILL, I'LL, UM, PUT A FEW THINGS OUT THERE. SO IN DISCUSSION WITH, UH, LOCAL, UH, OR THE CLOSEST CITIZENS THAT WE HAVE TO THIS PROJECT, UM, ALONG WITH, UH, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, UM, IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND IN MONDAYS NIGHT, MONDAY NIGHT, UM, ZOOM MEETING, UH, I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST BENEFIT THAT THEY SAW WAS, UH, SOME TYPE, I'M GONNA CALL IT AN ACTIVE CROSSING INDICATOR. MM-HMM . UM, BUT I DID, UH, SPEAK WITH THE IKA GROUP HERE. UM, THE FRUSTRATION A LOT, A LOT OF TIMES FOR FOLKS THAT LIVE ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN IS WE, WE GET ISOLATED FAIRLY QUICKLY. UH, WHEN THERE'S ACTIVE TRAINS, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE VERY LONG. HOPEFULLY, UH, WITH THIS, THIS ADDITIONAL CAPACITY, UM, THIS WILL REDUCE THE LENGTH OF TRAINS, WHICH WILL REDUCE THE WAIT TIMES AT, AT CROSSINGS ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY. UH, WE, I I BELIEVE THAT IS A, A HUGE BENEFIT FOR OUR CITIZENS BECAUSE WE ALL SUFFER FROM THAT. UM, BUT, BUT EVEN MORE SO FOR FOLKS, UM, ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN WOULD BE AN IN INDICATOR. UH, I WOULD, UH, I WOULD PROPOSE ALONG CEDAR BY LYNCHBURG AND THOMPSON ROAD SO THAT INDIVIDUALS, THEY WON'T HAVE TO TRAVEL ALL THE WAY DOWN A, A SMALL TWO LANE, UH, COUNTY ROAD TO TURN AROUND IF, 'CAUSE SOMETIMES THE TRAINS ARE VERY LONG. UM, BUT IF THEY'RE WILLING TO, UH, FUND AND CONSTRUCT UPON APPROVAL OF APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES, THAT MAY BE UP TYING INTO UP LINE. BUT IF, UH, IF, UH, IF THEY CAN BE COMMITTED TO CONSTRUCT AND INSTALL THAT, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A HUGE, AND ACCORDING TO THE CITIZENS, THAT WOULD BE A HUGE BENEFIT. UM, SO THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE AN OPTION OF ALTERNATE PASS. SO I'M HEARING A LOT OF, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF, UH, HEADS NOD, SO I WOULD ADD THAT. YES, SIR. LET ME, LEMME ASK SPECIFIC QUESTION BECAUSE THAT'S A U THAT'S CONTROLLED BY UP AND NOT THESE GUYS HERE. SO HOW ARE THEY HAVING IN THAT RESPONSIBILITY? AND THAT'S WHY COUNCILMAN, I SAID, UPON APPROVAL OF THE APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES, WE, WE DID SPEAK WITH UNION PACIFIC TODAY ABOUT THIS, UM, [00:55:01] JUST TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ON WOULD IT, WOULD IT BE FEASIBLE? WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE? WOULD UP HAVE ANY OPPOSITION TO IT? UM, THEY'RE SUPPORTIVE, THEY BELIEVE IT CAN HAPPEN. THE TECHNICALITIES OF HOW TO MAKE IT WORK, UM, WOULD NEED TO BE WORKED OUT. SO I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME SPECIFIC LANGUAGE WE WOULD NEED TO PUT IN HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE COVERING THE ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS. 'CAUSE THERE WILL BE SOME DESIGN COSTS GOING INTO THIS. UM, SO IT'S NOT CLEAN IN TERMS OF HOW IT WILL HAPPEN, BUT, UM, IT DOES HAVE TO GO THROUGH UNION PACIFIC 'CAUSE IT DOES TIE TO THEIR SYSTEM. YEAH. SO, SO JUST AS A SIDE NOTE, THERE WAS TWO OTHER INDICATORS. WE WERE WORKING WITH UNION PACIFIC, UH, AT OTHER LOCATIONS, UH, IN THE AREA FOR THIS, FOR THE SAME REASON. SO, WE'LL I WILL, UM, SAY DESIGN, CONSTRUCT AND INSTALL UPON APPROVAL OF THE APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES. ONE BEING UP, OBVIOUSLY. 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO TIE INTO THEIR, THEIR LINES SYSTEM. YEAH. SO THE IDEA COULD BE WIRELESS. I'M NOT THE ENGINEER HERE ON THIS, BUT IT COULD BE WIRELESS. THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD LENGTH OF ROAD. BUT, UM, BUT THEY WILL, THEY WILL WORK IT OUT. THEY, WHEN I MENTIONED IT TO OF THEM, THEY WERE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH, WITH THAT TYPE OF DEVICE. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I HAVE, I WANNA MAKE SURE COUNSEL IS COMFORTABLE WITH. ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE WANNA PUT IN ADDITION TO THAT. UM, BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING. I THINK WE, THE 10 FOOT WALL, THE FREE ROLLING, THE ACTIVE CROSSING INDICATOR ISSUE. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCILMAN JOHNSON? THIS IS YOUR TIME. NO, EVERYTHING THAT BOB SO ELOQUENTLY PUT. THERE YOU GO. EXPRESSED. ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT THEN, UM, I GUESS I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION COUNCILMAN FOR ITEM TWO E. MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM TWO E, SECOND. SECOND. WE HAVE MOTION TO SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ARE THOSE IN FAVOR OF ITEM TWO? AMEND. OKAY. COUPLE AMENDED. UH, ALSO MOVE TO AMEND ON THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS FOR SPECIAL USE ITEM ONE WHERE IT SAYS MATERIALS ARE TOXIC AND HAZARDOUS, DELETE BY INHALATION AND ADD TO INCLUDE HIGHLY FLAMMABLE AND ACIDS AND CAUSTICS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S IN INHALATION, UH, IF IT LEAKS, IT'S GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA INHALE IT? YEAH. OKAY. ADD CAUSTICS IN. I'M SORRY. UH, DELETE BY INHALATION. MM-HMM . AND ADD, UH, TO INCLUDE HIGHLY FLAMMABLE AND ACIDS AND CAUSTIC MATERIALS RIGHT THERE. OKAY. AND THEN ON THE NEXT LINE DOWN, ANHYDROUS AMMONIA AND AQUEOUS AMMONIA. I WOULD THINK SO THOSE, SO I'M A LITTLE FAMILIAR WITH AMMONIA. MM-HMM . UM, A LOT OF THAT'S CONTROLLED, I THINK JUST BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, OBVIOUSLY IN HOMELAND SECURITY. BUT IF YOUR LANGUAGE IS, BUT YOU STILL CAN LEAVE IT. OH, I UNDERSTAND. THERE'S PEOPLE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY THERE THAT NO, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE ISSUE OF AMMONIA. I STAY AWAY FROM IT. OKAY, SO THAT WAS A MOTION. SO NEED A SECOND. OKAY. SO CAN WE TAKE ALL THE AMENDMENTS AS ONE? YES. YOU SURE CAN. OKAY. DO YOU WANNA INCLUDE ALL THE, THE, THE KICKING OF THE CARS AND THE 10 FOOT? I THOUGHT THAT WAS ALL PART, SO I THOUGHT THAT'S JUST PART OF THE, ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. SO YOU'RE COVERED THEN. DO WE NEED TO ADD ALL THOSE? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CLEAR. WHAT, WHAT ALL YOUR AMENDMENTS. OKAY, SO, SO LET'S TAKE ALL THE AMENDMENTS TO THE SUP. OKAY. SO I HAVE THE PROOF OF THE SUP WITH THE 10 FOOT WALL, THE DESIGN CONSTRUCTION WITH THE APPROPRIATE, UH, APPROVAL OF THE APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES FOR A FREE ROLLING, ACTIVE CROSSING. WELL, IT'S JUST AN ACTIVE CROSSING INDICATOR. OKAY. YEAH. ACTIVE CROSSING INDICATOR. WOULD IT BE, UH, UH, APPROVAL FREE ROLLING SEPARATE? YEAH, FREE ROLLING IS PRO. I GUESS IT WOULD BE PROHIBITING FREE FREEROLL ACTIVITIES. PROHIBITING IT'S GETTING COMPLICATED. AND I, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE, UH, DELETION OF THE BY INHALATION IN ADDITION, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. YES. IS THAT ALL OF, I BELIEVE THAT'S IT, RIGHT? 10 FOOT WALL AND ALL THAT? YES. OKAY. SO THEN I WOULD NEED A SECOND FOR THE AMENDMENTS. OKAY. AND WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT FIRST. YES, SIR. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENTS AS PRESENTED AND WRITTEN BY THE CITY CLERK, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. AND THEN NOW WE CAN VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL SUP, I GUESS, OR THE AMENDMENT FOR, FOR THE ITEM AS PRESENTED. SO, UH, ALL THOSE IN, DO WE, WE CAN JUST VOTE ON MOTION? YES. ON THE TABLE. OKAY. SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. THE ITEM AS PRESENTED FOR TWO E, PLEASE SAY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO [f. Consider an ordinance amending the City of Baytown's official zoning map to rezone approximately 136.57 acres addressed as 6511 Thompson Road, and legally described as: Tract 3, Block 2; Tracts 20 & 20A, Block 20; Tract 21B-1, Block 22; and Tracts 23 & 23C, Block 23 of the Elena Fruit & Cotton Farms “C”, Harris County, Texas, from a Light industrial (LI) Zoning District to a Heavy industrial (HI) Zoning District.] F. CONSIDER ORDINANCE AMENDING THE CITY OF BAY TOWN'S OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 136.57 ACRES. ADDRESSES 65 11 THOMPSON ROAD AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS TRACK THREE BLOCK TWO WITH ALL THE ADDRESS I'VE ALREADY, UM, EXPRESSED MULTIPLE TIMES. SO, MR. DIETRICH, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO ADD, SIR, UNLESS YOU I RETIRED TO AND I WOULD SAY ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS? IF NOT, ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEM TWO F. MOTION TO APPROVE OF ITEM TWO F SECOND. A MOTION TO SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I JUST WANT ONE COMMENT. YES SIR. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR. DIETRICH AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR THE RECOMMENDATION OF MOVING THIS TO HIGH INDUSTRIAL SO THAT WE COULD HAVE A CRACK AT AN SUP ON IT. NO PROBLEM. YEAH, SO [01:00:01] A LOT OF TIME I WILL, I WILL AGREE WITH YOU COUNCILMAN, THAT YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE MOVING TO WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A HIGHER INTENSITY ZONE, UH, CLASSIFICATION, UM, BUT WITH THAT IT ALSO BRINGS ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS AND OBVIOUSLY THE, THE ABILITY FOR US TO ADD SOME OF THESE INDIVIDUAL AMENDMENTS AS COUNCILMAN HOSKIN DID. MM-HMM . SO, UM, BUT YEAH. SO THANK YOU FOR STAFF, OBVIOUSLY FOR YOUR EXPERIENCE IN THIS MATTER. ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THREE A. CONDUCT THE FIRST PUBLIC. CAN I HAVE A VOTE? VOTE. OH, SORRY. BE, CAN WE VOTE ON THAT ONE? I GUESS SO. YES SIR. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THAT ITEM PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED. WE MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE A, CONDUCT THE FIRST PUBLIC [a. Conduct the first public hearing regarding a strategic partnership agreement related to a limited purpose annexation with Chambers County Municipal Utility District No. 3 for approximately 223.2868 acres of land situated in the Chambers County School Land Survey, Abstract 321, Chambers County Texas.] HEARING REGARDING A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT RELATED TO LIMITED PURPOSE ANNEXATIONS WITH CHAMBERS COUNTY MUD DISTRICT NUMBER THREE FOR APPROXIMATELY 223 POINT. WHILE THIS IS PRETTY ACCURATE, 28 6 8 ACRES OF LAND SITUATED IN THE CHAMBERS COUNTY SCHOOL LAND SURVEY, ABSTRACT 3, 2, 1. CHAMBERS COUNTY, TEXAS. MR. DIETRICH, MR. MAYOR, COUNSEL, UM, AS YOU MIGHT HAVE REMEMBERED, UM, BACK A NUMBER OF MONTHS AGO, WE HAD A DEVELOPER COME IN AND, UH, CREATE A MUD OUT HERE. UM, AND THIS WAS DONE THROUGH AMERICAS LLC AND, UH, TO, TO FORMULATE THAT, UM, THAT MUD AND THEN ALSO TO DO A LIMITED PERMIT, ANNEXATION AND STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP. UM, THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IN THAT, UH, THAT ROUND OF, UH, WHAT, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN ORDER FOR THIS TO TAKE PLACE. OKAY. AND SO THIS IS JUST THAT FIRST PUBLIC HEARING OKAY. TO I WILL, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE'LL GO THROUGH IT. AND THEN AFTER THAT I WILL PROBABLY TAKE A POINT OF PRIVILEGE, UH, FOLLOWING THAT ITEM. ALRIGHT, COUNCILMAN HOSKINS. C OKAY, SO ITEM THREE A. IT IS, SO IT IS NOW, UH, 7:32 PM AND I'LL CALL THIS ORDER OF THE PURPOSE OF PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING A STRATEGIC AGREEMENT RELATED TO LIMITED PURPOSE ANNEXATION WITH CHAMBERS COUNTY MUNICIPAL DISTRICT NUMBER THREE FOR THE ACREAGE OF 2 2 223 0.2868 ACRES OF LAND IN CHAMBERS COUNTY. IT'S CALLED LAND SURVEY ABSTRACT 3 2 1. CHAMBERS COUNTY, TEXAS. I, I BELIEVE YOU'VE ALREADY SUMMARIZED THE SUBJECT MATTER DIET. UH, YES SIR. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED TO DO? OKAY, JUST WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE THERE WAS, UH, ADDED THAT, UM, WITH THIS SPA THAT WILL SET SERVICES FOR THE CITY, UM, THAT WILL BE PROVIDED BY THE CITY AND THE DISTRICT UNDER THE SPA, THE CITY WILL BE ABLE TO COLLECT SALES TAX. WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, PROVIDE UTILITY SERVICES BY A SEPARATE UTILITY AGREEMENT. UH, WE'LL APPLY CERTAIN, UH, APPLICABLE ORDINANCES, WHICH IS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT, AT AND, AND APPROVED. I WILL NOT ANNEX FOR PURPOSE, FOR FULL PURPOSE ANNEXATION DURING THE TERM OF THE AGREEMENT WITHOUT THE APPROVAL OF THE DISTRICT WILL NOT COLLECT AVALOR TAXES AND WILL NOT PROVIDE ANY CITY SERVICES UNLESS SPECIFICALLY, SPECIFICALLY AGREED UPON BY BOTH PARTIES. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO, UM, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR STAFF REGARDING THIS ITEM? AND I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. SO I NOW CLOSE THIS FIRST PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT TO, UH, TO ELIMINATE PURPOSE ANNEXATION WITH CHAMBERS COUNTY MUD DISTRICT NUMBER THREE AS DESCRIBED, UH, FOR THE, THE, UM, LAND THAT'S DESCRIBED, UM, EARLIER. SO I'LL MOVE ON NOW TO ITEM FOUR, BUT BEFORE WE GO TO THAT, UM, I'LL TAKE A POINT OF PRIVILEGE. SO COUNCILMAN HOSKINS, UM, ALTHOUGH YOU ARE ALMOST, YOU'RE SLIGHTLY CORRECT. SO, UM, I WOULD SAY YOU HAVE SOME FAMILY MEMBERS HERE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A POINT. YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE HERE, THERE AND EVERYWHERE. THE, THIS IS MY SON, UM, HOUSTON HOSKINS. HE'S, UH, WITH THE US ARMY. THAT'S HIS, WHERE'S HIS SON? HUNTER IS RIGHT THERE. THAT'S HIS DAUGHTER, HALEY. ALRIGHT. AND THEN MY WIFE IS RUNNING AROUND HERE SOMEWHERE AND MY DAUGHTER, UH, WELL THERE'S HATTIE. THAT'S THE YOUNG, THAT'S HOUSTON'S YOUNGEST. HATTIE RIGHT THERE. THERE YOU GO. ALL, OH, HERE'S AN, THERE'S CHARLIE. OKAY. THEY'RE ALL COMING. FINGERS. FINGERS. AND THEN, UH, VICTORIA IS RUNNING AROUND THERE. MY DAUGHTER SOMEWHERE. I AND PAM IS OUT THERE SOMEWHERE AS WELL. OKAY. SO, UH, SO THEY'RE HERE TO SEE, SEE WHAT MY, I GUESS MY NEXT TO LAST MEETING THAT WE'RE, IT IS YOUR NEXT. YOU HAVE ONE MORE. I TOLD YOU, I TOLD YOU AND, AND COUNCILMAN HIMS. SO WE'LL GET EVERY OUNCE OF WORK OUT OF YOU UNTIL IT'S GONNA BE A LONG, THE LAST ONE'S GONNA BE A LONG ONE. . WE'RE GONNA READ EVERY, I DON'T HAVE TO STAY THOUGH. WE'RE GONNA READ. WE'RE GONNA READ EVERY PRECINCT. EVERY SINGLE. THAT'S MY WIFE PAM AND MY DAUGHTER VICTORIA. THERE WE GO. HEY, MAYBE WE'LL FINISH THE LAST ONE DOWN. THE ACE DISTRICT . SO COUNCILMAN, WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOU HAVING YOUR FAMILY HERE TONIGHT ON WHAT YOU THOUGHT WAS YOUR LAST MEETING FOR THE BAYTOWN CITY COUNCIL. BUT HOWEVER, WE DID WANNA RECOGNIZE THEM, WE CERTAINLY WANNA RECOGNIZE YOU. YEARS OF SERVICE HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. C TOWN CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SO MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR [a. Consider an ordinance amending Chapter 6 “Alcoholic Beverages,” Article I “In General,” Section 6-2 “Sales near schools, churches, hospitals or day care facilities” of the Code of Ordinances, Baytown, Texas, to remove the distance requirement exemption from the distancing requirements for the sale of alcoholic beverages within the Arts, Cultural, and Entertainment Zoning District.] A. UNFORTUNATELY WE STILL HAVE WORK TO DO, BUT MAYBE THERE'S PEOPLE WHO NEED TO GO HOME IF THEY CAN, IF THEY NEED TO. IF NOT, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO HANG OUT HERE WITH US. SO WE HAVE ITEM FOUR, A CONSIDERED ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER SIX, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, ARTICLE ONE IN GENERAL, SECTION 6.2, OUR, EXCUSE ME, SIX DASH TWO CELLS NEAR SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, HOSPITALS OR DAYCARE FACILITIES OF, OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, BAYTOWN, TEXAS TO REMOVE THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS EXEMPTION FROM THE DISTANCING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CELL OF ALCOHOL BEVERAGES WITHIN THE ARTS, CULTURE AND ENTERTAINMENT [01:05:01] ZONING DISTRICT, MR. DIETRICH. SO BASICALLY, AS AS REQUESTED, WE HAVE PLACED THIS ITEM ON TONIGHT'S, UH, MEETING TO, UM, TO CONSIDER IT. AND BASICALLY WHAT THIS DOES IS THAT IT REMOVES THE EXEMPTION FROM THE ACE DISTRICT, MEANING THAT THIS WILL BE ON THE LEVEL PLAYING FIELD AS ANY OTHER, UM, PARCEL WITHIN, WITHIN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN. SO, UH, IF YOU ARE WITHIN 300 FEET OF A, A HOSPITAL, A DAYCARE AND OR A SCHOOL OR CHURCH, THEN THEY WOULD BE PROHIBITED TO SELL ALCOHOL. UM, HOWEVER, THERE IS A VARIANCE PROCESS THAT IF THEY WOULD WANT TO COME TO CITY COUNCIL TO REQUEST THAT VARIANCE, THEN THEY CAN COME HERE AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO EXPLAIN THE REASON WHY THEY WOULD WANT TO HAVE THAT VARIANCE TO SELL ALCOHOL WITHIN THAT, THAT DISTANCING, UM, THAT 300 FOOT DISTANCING REQUIREMENT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. SO, UM, FIRST I WILL START OFF WITH, UH, COUNCILMAN UH, PRESLEY REGARDING ANY OF HIS THOUGHTS AND, AND COMMENTS. AND THEN, AND THEN WE WILL, WE ACTUALLY HAVE, UM, I THINK WE HAVE FIVE INDIVIDUALS, THREE HERE IN PERSON AND TWO TWO THAT ARE ON ZOOM. UM, AND THEN WE WILL, WE WILL BEGIN THE REST OF COUNCIL DISCUSSION. SO IF I COULD, I THINK THERE'S POSSIBLY A FEW MISCONCEPTIONS OUT THERE, MAYOR, SO IF I COULD JUST HAVE A, A COUPLE OF EXTRA MINUTES, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. 'CAUSE I JUST WANNA GIVE A TOUCH ON SOME BACKGROUND. YOU GIVE MORE MINUTES, COUNSEL. ALRIGHT. OKAY. JUST LETTING YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE . SO IN 2004, THE CITY ENGAGED A PROFESSIONAL URBAN PLANNING FIRM, AND WE DEVELOPED A DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN AS THE GUIDING DOCUMENT FOR REVITALIZATION OF THE OLD DOWNTOWN AREA. THERE WERE COUNTLESS MEETINGS, ROUND TABLES, TOWN HALLS, OVER THE COURSE OF PROBABLY A FULL YEAR. AND THEY WERE VERY WELL ATTENDED. THERE WAS A LOT OF INPUT GIVEN AND SYNTHESIZED. AND FROM THAT CAME THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN. ALL OF THE MAJOR STAKEHOLDERS GAVE INPUT AND ESSENTIALLY IT WAS THE PRODUCT OF THE COMMUNITY'S VISION. UM, THE COMMUNITY SPOKE AND THE DIRECTION FROM THAT PLAN WAS THAT THE COMMUNITY DESIRED A SAFE, FAMILY FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT WITH A MIX OF USES THAT APPEALS TO ALL CITIZENS. UM, A LOT OF THOSE STRATEGIES AND RECOMMENDATIONS IN THAT PLAN, UH, THIS COUNCIL AND, AND EVEN A FEW FORMER COLLEAGUES, UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY CHECKED A LOT OF THOSE BOXES. AND I, I, I GIVE THIS COUNCIL AND, AND SOME FORMER COLLEAGUES A LOT OF CREDIT, UH, THERE WERE THINGS LIKE REDO THE STREETSCAPE, DEVELOP A PUBLIC PLAZA FOR COMMUNITY EVENTS, RESTORE AND REHAB HISTORIC BUILDINGS, OFFER INCENTIVES TO HELP RESTORE AND REHAB OLDER BUILDINGS. AND FOR THE CITY TO TAKE A LEADERSHIP ROLE, UH, IN, IN THAT ENDEAVOR. AND THE CITY HAS REALLY STEPPED UP AND CERTAINLY TAKEN A LEADERSHIP ROLE, UM, TO THE TUNE OF ACTUALLY OVER $10 MILLION. AND, UH, SO THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED. AND THEN IN 2016, A PROFESSIONAL WAS ENGAGED TO HELP US FORM A COMMUNITY-BASED STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH WAS, ONCE AGAIN, A PLAN THAT WAS DRIVEN BY RESIDENTS AND CITIZENS. UM, AGAIN, BASED ON THE INPUT FROM THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. AND WE HAD OVER 4,000 RESPONSES. THE OVERWHELMING THEME WAS, AGAIN, TO ELEVATE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL OF OUR CITIZENS. IN THAT PLAN, THERE WERE FIVE STRATEGIC DIRECTIVES, THREE OF WHICH, UH, WERE COMMUNITY REPUTATION AND IMAGE, COMMUNITY AMENITIES AND NEIGHBORHOOD QUALITY. AND, AND THESE THINGS REQUIRE PLANNING FORWARD THINKING AND ESTABLISHING, UM, A HIGH STANDARD TO ACHIEVE QUALITY NEIGHBORHOODS. UM, AND MAYOR, I SAW YOUR BACK TO THE FUTURE STATE OF THE CITY. IT WAS, IT WAS PRETTY GOOD. AND, UH, AND I IN THE JUMPSUIT, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKED GREAT IN IT AND I I AGREED WITH A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT YOU TOUCHED ON, UM, THAT WE'RE HERE TO ENSURE THAT LONG TERM MASTER PLANS ARE IN PLACE SO THAT SHORT TERM AGENDAS DON'T IMPEDE THE CITY'S SUCCESS IN THE FUTURE. UM, AND WE MAKE STRATEGIC DECISIONS, UH, WITH THE BIGGER PICTURE IN MIND AND WITH A BETTER OUTCOME THAT TRANSCENDS OUR TIME AND OFFICE HERE. AND, AND YOU, YOU MENTIONED THE WORDS OF BETTER BAYTOWN AND I COULDN'T AGREE MORE. UM, THAT WAS SORT OF A CENTRAL THEME AND, AND HOW WE STRIVE TO ELEVATE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR CITIZENS. UM, SO I JUST WANT TO SAY AGAIN, PUBLICLY AND A COUPLE OF THINGS, IT IS MY STRONG BELIEF AND IT WAS A MOTIVATING FACTOR IN ME RUNNING FOR THIS POSITION THAT I'M JUST NOT OF THE BELIEF THAT WE CAN [01:10:01] LIFT UP OUR OLDER AREAS OF TOWN WITH THE CREDO OR THE MOTTO THAT ANYTHING GOES OR SOMETHING IS BETTER THAN NOTHING. I I, I WILL NEVER BELIEVE THAT, AND I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE AND I WANNA SAY IT PUBLICLY ONCE AGAIN AS WELL, AND I WANNA BE VERY CLEAR, I BELIEVE IN CLEAN, REPUTABLE ESTABLISHMENTS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY, AND ESPECIALLY MORE IMPORTANTLY IN OUR OLDER AREAS OF TOWN, WHICH FACE CHALLENGES CURRENTLY. UM, THERE'S NO ONE ON THIS COUNCIL THAT, THAT MAYBE THERE IS, BUT I'M IN THE TOP TWO OR THREE. THERE'S NO ONE THAT WOULD WANT SEE, UH, A NICE BAR AND GRILL, A FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD PUB, A A UNIQUE BREW PUB IN THE AREA, OR A NICE WINE BAR. I'LL BE THE FIRST TO, TO HOLD UP MY HAND AND DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO, TO HELP ANYTHING LIKE THAT WORK. I'VE, I'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST. AND THEN I'M HOPING TO THAT, THAT WE HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY ONE DAY. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S FOR THE RECORD. AND I'VE ALSO KNOCKED ON OVER 1200 DOORS. I SAID A THOUSAND LAST TIME, BUT TECHNICALLY OVER 1200 DOORS WHEN I CAMPAIGNED FOR THIS POSITION. AND I TALKED TO OVER 1200 RESIDENTS OF DISTRICT TWO. AND I'M HERE TO TELL YOU, I HAVE NOT TALKED TO ONE RESIDENT WHO LIVES IN DISTRICT TWO, WHO LIVES WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF THE, THE ARTS DISTRICT THAT WANT TO SEE ANY SORT. AND I, I TAKE THE WORDS, I READ THE LETTER THAT THAT COUNCIL RECEIVED ANY SORT OF LITTLE SIXTH STREET OR MANY RED LIGHT DISTRICT, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT. I, I HAVE NOT MET ONE RESIDENT IN DISTRICT TWO THAT HAS THAT VISION. AND, UH, SO THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM ON THAT. THEY, THEY, THEY WANT A SAFE, FAMILY FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ELEVATES THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE. AND IT'S NOT JUST THE RESIDENTS, IT'S, THERE'S ALSO OTHERS IN THIS PROCESS. AND OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DAYS, POSSIBLY THIS FOUR OR FIVE DAYS, I'VE PERSONALLY VISITED AND HAD DIRECT DIALOGUE AND DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PRESIDENT'S OFFICE OF LEE COLLEGE. NUMEROUS MORE THAN TWO OR THREE BOARD OF REGENTS FOR LEE COLLEGE. I'VE VISITED WITH THE PASTOR OF MEMORIAL BAPTIST CHURCH, THE PASTOR OF A CODE OF MANY COLORS CHURCH. AND I'M ALREADY VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PHILOSOPHY AND THE OUTLOOK OF THE JEWISH SYNAGOGUE IN THE AREA. AND I CAN ASSURE EVERYONE THAT THOSE LONGSTANDING STAKEHOLDERS WOULD BE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF A VOICE IN THE PROCESS AND TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE VETTING PROCESS IF, IF ANY SORT OF ALCOHOL RELATED ESTABLISHMENT WERE TO LOCATE WITHIN 300 FOOT OF, OF THEIR CAMPUS. UM, LEE COLLEGE IS THE SINGLE LARGEST ASSET IN DISTRICT TWO. AND CLEARLY IT'S, IT'S VITAL TO DISTRICT TWO AND TO OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY. AND I VALUE LEE COLLEGE AND ITS STUDENTS. I VALUE OUR CHURCHES AND THEIR CONGREGATIONS AND AND I VALUE EACH AND EVERY BUSINESS IN DISTRICT TWO. I DO, I'VE, I HAVE A RECORD THAT PROVES I DO, BUT IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S JUST NOT FAIR AND IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT TO CUT OFF AND CIRCUMVENT CHURCHES AND SCHOOLS HAVING A SAY SO IN WHAT MAY TRANSPIRE WITHIN 300 FOOT OF THEIR BORDERS. I I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT MY ENTIRE DISTRICT AND, AND THESE STAKEHOLDERS WERE WERE THERE BEFORE I MOVED TO DISTRICT TWO. AND THEY'RE LIKELY TO BE THERE LONG BEFORE, LONG AFTER WE ALL ARE. SO I CAN, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THEY ARE VERY, VERY INTERESTED IN BEING INCLUDED IN THE PROCESS. AND BY ELIMINATING THIS EXEMPTION, THEY WOULD THEN HAVE A VOICE AND THEY WOULD THEN BE INCLUDED IN THAT PROCESS. AND BOTH CHURCHES LET ME KNOW THAT THEY OPERATE DAYCARES AS WELL. AND YOU KNOW, I, I HAD A RHETORICAL QUESTION ASKED TO ME, AND I I AGREE WITH IT. YOU KNOW, SHOULDN'T A DAYCARE HAVE A VOICE IN ANY POTENTIAL HEALTH OR SAFETY MATTERS THAT MAY BE LOCATED WITHIN 300 FEET OF, OF THEIR PREMISES WHEN THEY'RE ENTRUSTED, UH, TO SAFEGUARD AND PROTECT THE CHILDREN? AND, AND I'VE, I'VE HAD HEART TO HEARTS WITH, WITH THESE FOLKS. AND, UH, LIKE I SAY, I KNOW WE HAVE SOME FOLKS HERE [01:15:01] TO SPEAK AND I'M GONNA LISTEN WITH OPEN EARS AND, AND, UH, I VALUE ANYTHING THEY HAVE TO SAY. I'VE ENCOURAGED ONE, I THINK THAT I SEE TO, TO, TO COME DOWN HERE AND SPEAK. I I LOVE TO HEAR ALL OPINIONS. I'VE, I'VE BEEN DOING THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS EFFORT SINCE 2004. I'M GOING ON 16 YEARS NOW. AND, UH, BUT I, I TRULY BELIEVE THAT DELETING THE EXEMPTION AND GIVING OUR CHURCHES AND OUR SCHOOLS AND OUR DAYCARES A VOICE IN THE PROCESS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. AND I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD MAKE THAT CORRECTION TONIGHT. AND I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE STAFF TO CIRCLE UP WITH, WITH ANY BUSINESS OWNERS DOWN THERE, UH, SUBSEQUENT TO TONIGHT. AND IF, IF, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT TO DO ON MORE OF A MICRO LEVEL TO WHERE WE, UH, IT, IT, IT, THE CHURCHES AND THE SCHOOLS AND THE DAYCARES, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEIR VOICE. YOU KNOW, I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE NEAR FUTURE. BUT I, I BELIEVE THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I, I'VE, I'VE SPOKEN AT, AT LENGTH WITH THE MAJOR STAKEHOLDERS IN THE DISTRICT, AND I JUST HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE GREATER GOOD OF MY DISTRICT, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, WHAT THEY'VE ALL SHARED WITH ME THEY DESIRE. AND, UH, LIKE I SAY, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I, I, I DON'T WANNA HARP ON IT, BUT THE INTEGRITY OF SCHOOLS AND THE SANCTITY OF CHURCHES AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE FIRST AND FOREMOST, IN MY OPINION, OF A HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND, AND PARAMOUNT TO THAT AREA. AND LIKE I SAY, I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE STAFF TO CIRCLE UP WITH, WITH ANYONE THAT MAY HAVE SOME KIND OF MICRO ISSUE THAT, THAT THERE MAY BE A WRINKLE, BUT OF COURSE, AS, AS NATHAN MENTIONED, THERE'S A VARI A VARIANCE PROCESS. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY AS WELL. SO THAT, THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY. I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. I BELIEVE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. AND, UH, I I WOULD JUST URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE TO GIVE AS MUCH, UM, SENSITIVITY TO THE, THE SCHOOLS AND THE COLLEGES AND THE CHURCHES AND THE DAYCARES AS I'VE GONE TO GREAT LENGTHS TO, TO LISTEN TO AND UNDERSTAND AND SYMPATHIZE WITH. AND, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MAYOR. AND I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE LENGTHY, UH, DIALOGUE HERE. BUT, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE IN IT. I BELIEVE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COUNCILMAN. ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE, UM, I'LL START FROM THIS LIST. WE HAVE, AGAIN, THREE IN PERSON, UH, SPEAKERS, AND THEN TWO THAT ARE ONLINE. SO FIRST I'LL START OFF WITH MS. THOMAS. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL. MY NAME'S YVONNE THOMAS BAYTOWN, TEXAS. I AM HERE REPRESENTING HISTORIC BAY TOWN'S. OOH, UM, ARTS, CULTURE AND ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY. I'M SORRY, I'M COLD . UM, AND, UM, THIS IS AN ORGANIZATION WHICH WAS MADE UP OF BUSINESSES AND LANDLORDS IN THE DOWNTOWN ARTS DISTRICT. WE'VE BEEN AROUND SINCE 2017. OUR GOAL IS TO INCREASE THE ARTS, THE CULTURE, AND THE ENTERTAINMENT IN THE AREA OF, UM, THE ACE ZONING DISTRICT, DOWNTOWN ARTS DISTRICT. WE, UH, WORK WITH PROSPECTIVE TENANTS, PROSPECTIVE, UH, BUSINESSES, LANDLORDS. WE WORK WITH THE CITY. WE TRY TO HELP GET THINGS IN THAT AREA REALLY NICE. WE, UM, WORKED WITH, UM, PARKING AND TRYING TO CORRECT THE PARKING SIGNS THAT HADN'T BEEN CHANGED SINCE 1977. SO WE DO A LOT, AND WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, BUT WE'VE DONE A LOT IN THAT SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. WE HAVE 85 PEOPLE ON OUR EMAIL LIST. WE COMMUNICATE WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THE AREA. UM, THEY WOULD LOVE TO BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION FOR ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE DOWNTOWN ARTS DISTRICT. AND, UM, A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HAVE FELT SLIGHTED BECAUSE THERE WAS NO MENTION TO US OF THIS. SOMEBODY SAID, OH, DO YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT? AND SO THE ORGANIZATION FEELS KIND OF SLIGHTED BECAUSE WE THINK WE SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED IN THE AREA AND SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE APPROACHED US. THAT'S HOW WE FEEL. SO, UM, WE THINK IT'S GONNA BE MUCH HARDER FOR BUSINESSES THAT WANT TO SELL ALCOHOL TO OPEN UP ONCE WE GO AHEAD AND REMOVE THIS, UH, DISTANCE EXEMPTION. AND WE JUST DON'T WANNA MAKE IT HARDER FOR ANYBODY ELSE TO COME INTO TOWN. UM, IT'S A HARD SELL, BUT THE AREA IS IMPROVING SLOWLY BUT SURELY WITH REALLY GOOD BUSINESSES. JUST LIKE, UM, COUNCILMAN SAID, WE, [01:20:01] WE, WE REALLY WANT GOOD BUSINESSES ALSO. WE DON'T WANT JUST ANY RIFFRAFF, BUT WE'RE NOT SURE THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO APPROACH THAT TO GET WHAT YOU WANT. UM, WE FEEL THAT IF SOMEBODY HAS TO COME, UM, FOR A VARIANCE, UM, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO SIT BEFORE COUNCIL AND SAY, WELL, I HAVE THIS BUSINESS AND IT'S GONNA BE A SUBJECTIVE PROCESS. WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET THE VARIANCE PROCESS DEFINED. AND IF IT'S A, IF IT'S NOT OBJECTIVE, THAT TO US IS NOT FAIR. IT HAS TO BE A, A CLEAR CUT WAY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THIS BUSINESS IS VIABLE AND NOT AN EMOTIONAL THING THAT SIX PEOPLE IN THE COUNCIL ARE GONNA JUDGE. AND SO WE, WE DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A FAIR PROCESS. UM, THERE'S A MAP THAT CAME OUT ON THE LAST, UM, MEETING THAT YOU GUYS HAD, AND IT SHOWS TWO AREAS THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED. HOWEVER, THERE, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY RIGHT NOW THAT SCHOOL COMING IN THE 200 BLOCKS. SO THAT WOULD BE A WHOLE SECTION THAT WOULD BE, UH, AFFECTED. AND ALSO LANEY'S IS OPEN, WHICH HAS A KITCHEN, AND THERE'S A, ACTUALLY A POSSIBILITY OF A WINE BAR. WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME AND TALK TO US ABOUT THESE THINGS. SO THERE, IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW. IT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA BE LOOKING LIKE IN THE FUTURE THAT REALLY COUNTS FOR US. SO WE REALLY WANT YOU TO CONSIDER LOOKING AT THE, UM, ALLOWED BUSINESSES, UH, FOR THE ACE DISTRICT. 'CAUSE YOU HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT SAYS, ALLOWED BUSINESS OR DISALLOWED BUSINESSES. AND BY THE WAY, DAYCARES ARE ONE OF THOSE DISALLOWED BUSINESSES FOR THE ACE, UM, UH, ACE, UH, DISTRICT. SO WE'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER TWEAKING THAT. WE THINK THAT YOU'D, YOU'D HAVE A LOT MORE CONTROL IF YOU DO THAT AND NOT JUST FOCUS ON THE DISTANCE. MS, SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, IF YOU DON'T MIND. YEAH. MM-HMM . MESSAGE. 'CAUSE YOU MENTIONED THE 200 BLOCK AND THE POSSIBILITY OF A SCHOOL. MM-HMM . CAN YOU, UH, CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT? UM, WELL, I MEAN, THERE'S A BUSINESS RIGHT NOW THAT IS PERMITTING AND BUILDING OUT A SPACE, AND THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THAT BUSINESS MIGHT BE CLASSIFIED AS A SCHOOL. AND THAT'S ON DFI. IT'S ON DFE. MM-HMM . AND SO IT WOULD BE WITHIN THAT 300. WELL, ONCE IT'S CREATED, I GUESS MY CONCERN WOULD BE IF IF A SCHOOL, IF IT'S A SCHOOL WHICH IS NOT PROHIBITED IN THE ACE DISTRICT. CORRECT? CORRECT. AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT PROHIBITED. RIGHT. SO THE IDEA HERE, AND I'M MAKING AS AN ASSUMPTION, WOULD BE, UM, EVEN IF A FIRST CLASS WINE BAR OR SOMETHING SIMILAR, UH, EVEN A BAR, BAR AND GRILL THAT WOULD SELL ALCOHOL, IF THERE WAS A SCHOOL THAT WOULD BE INTRODUCED AT THE 200 BLOCK MM-HMM . USING YOUR HYPOTHETICAL, THEN THAT WOULD LIKE REALLY BE VERY, UH, IT WOULD PUT A LOT OF, UH, POTENTIAL, UH, FOR THE, FOR DEVELOPMENT THERE, UH, AT A DISADVANTAGE. IS THAT, IS THAT YOUR POINT? PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY. BECAUSE IF I WERE A BUSINESS OWNER AND I SAW A SCHOOL THERE, WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO THE TROUBLE OF SIGNING A LEASE, YOU KNOW, APPLYING FOR ALL THESE THINGS AND THEN KNOWING THAT I COULD BE TURNED DOWN. IF I COME AND STAND IN FRONT OF COUNCIL, WHY WOULD I DO THAT? I'D GO TO BAKER ROAD OR GARTH ROAD, OR ROLLING BROOK OR SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE I DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT. YEAH. SO MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT IF, IF I CALL IT THE EIGHT, THE THE EIGHT BLOCK AREA THAT, THAT, THAT I REALLY CONCENTRATE ON AS FAR AS DEVELOPING WITH, UH, AN ACE DISTRICT COMPONENT. RIGHT. SO IF THAT, THAT COULD BE, COULD BE BARS, IT COULD BE RESTAURANTS, IT COULD BE WHATEVER THE CASE. UM, SO I, I, THAT'S WHY I'M A BIG FAN OF THE, THE LAYER, THE, UH, THE OVERLAYS THAT WE HAVE. BUT I THINK IF THERE WAS A SCHOOL OR A CHURCH OR WHAT CAN A CHURCH, UM, DEVELOP IN, IN THE ACE DISTRICT WITHIN LIKE TEXAS AVENUE. RIGHT. SO MY, MY POINT ON THAT WOULD JUST BE IF THAT DEVELOPED RIGHT, THEN THAT WOULD MAKE IT EXTREMELY HARD OR IT'D MAKE IT HARDER. CORRECT. HARDER FOR A BREW PUB OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. ABSOLUTELY. IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING COUNCILMAN TOO? NO, IT'S NOT. THERE'S A VARIANCE PROCESS. IF IT'S OVERALL A NET GAIN FOR THE AREA, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD GRANT THE VARIANCE. WHAT, WHAT'S THE PROCESS THOUGH? SO, AND ALSO, JUST SO YOU KNOW, I'VE ACTUALLY, THAT I'VE REACHED OUT TO THAT GENTLEMAN AS WELL. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S NOT GONNA BE CONSIDERED A SCHOOL. HE'S, IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL AUTOMATION SOMETHING. BUT LISTEN TO SIT HERE AND, AND BASE DECISIONS ON . WELL, MY QUESTION IS IF THERE'S A PERMIT, HYPOTHETICALS, WELL, I DUNNO IF IT'S HYPOTHETICALS, IT'S JUST MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS A HAS A PERMIT IF SOMEBODY'S DOING SOME TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION, BUILD OUT, DEMO, WHATEVER, THEN, THEN THERE WOULD BE A PERMIT. WELL, MAYOR, I THINK I, MY QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW. I UNDERSTAND. I'M ASKING UNDERSTAND. BUT WE'VE HAD BUS, WE'VE HAD, LISTEN, WE'RE, WE'RE TO THE POINT WHERE WE'VE ACTUALLY PUT INCENTIVES IN PLACE. SO LISTEN, IF, IF IT'S A, A NICE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS COMMUNITY, NOT ONLY WOULD, WOULD I BE IN FAVOR OF GRANTING A VARIANCE, I'M IN FAVOR OF OFFERING UP INCENTIVES TO HELP LAND IT. SO, I MEAN, WE DON'T LOSE, THERE'S, WE ALL OPTIONS ARE STILL ON THE TABLE. THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE. [01:25:01] THERE'S ONLY UPSIDE IN, IN NEIGHBORHOOD PROTECTION FOR CHURCHES, SCHOOLS, AND DAYCARES. AND IF, IF THEY'RE NOT WITHIN 300 FEET, NOBODY NEEDS TO EVEN ASK FOR A VARIANCE. IT'S ONLY IF THEY'RE WITHIN WHAT, 300 FEET. AND IF THEY ARE, IF IT'S A LIQUOR STORE OR A BAR OR A CONVENIENCE STORE THAT SELLS ALCOHOL OR A PRIVATE CLUB, WHY SHOULD THAT CHURCH OR SCHOOL OR DAYCARE NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO COME DOWN HERE AND EXPRESS THEIR OPINION? MAYBE IT'S A POSITIVE OPINION, MAYBE IT'S NOT. BUT WHY WOULD THEY NOT HAVE THAT? RIGHT? WHY WOULD WE NOT WANT TO HEAR 'EM? AND WHY WOULD WE WANT THAT ALCOHOL APPLICANT TO GET THAT PERMIT AND THAT LICENSE AUTOMATICALLY AND NOT EVEN GIVE THAT SCHOOL, THAT CHURCH, OR THAT DAYCARE OF VOICE IN THE MATTER? SO THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM. THE VARIANCE PROCESS IS THERE. MY TRACK RECORD IS, I'VE BEEN SUPPORTIVE AND I THINK THIS ENTIRE COUNCIL HAS BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF EVERY SINGLE BUSINESS THAT THERE'S A NET POSITIVE. AND NOT ONLY WOULD WE GIVE THE VARIANCE, WE'D HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCENTIVIZE. SO IN MY OPINION, I WOULD RATHER HEAR THE PLAN HELP INCENTIVIZE THAN TAKE OUR CHANCES. AND I CAN TELL YOU THE SCHOOLS AND THE CHURCHES AND THE DAYCARES FEEL THE SAME WAY. SO, LIKE I SAY, I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE THE CORRECTION TONIGHT. AND I WOULD CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE STAFF TO, TO VISIT WITH THEM. AND IF WE CAN COME BACK AND LOOK AT SOMETHING ON A MORE MICRO LEVEL, I'M OPEN TO THAT. YOU KNOW, AND, UH, WE, WE'VE, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS NUMEROUS TIMES, MAYOR, AND CAN WE HEAR THE OTHER? BUT YEAH, I'M SAYING I HAVEN'T, I HAVE, THIS IS NEWS TO ME. I DIDN'T HEAR THIS, I DIDN'T HEAR THIS ABOUT THIS 200 BLOCK. THAT'S WHY I HAVE TO ASK. IT'S, IT'S NEW INFORMATION. I'M, I'M ASKING TO MAKE A DECISION. YEAH. BUT THERE'S NEW INFORMATION TO ME. THAT'S WHY, 'CAUSE THE IDEA WOULD BE YOU PUT A CHURCH RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF TEXAS AVENUE, THEN THAT KIND OF, UH, IT IMPACTS A LARGE AREA OF, OF, OF, LIKE YOU SAID, WE ARE MAKING HUGE INVESTMENTS. SOME OF THAT WOULD BE, UH, ATTRACTING BAR AND GRILLS OR BREW PUBS OR, WELL, I, I UNDERSTAND PIZZAS, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. BUT, UM, AND MY POINT IS, MY, THE RESIDENTS I'VE TALKED TO IN MY CONSTITUENTS, HONESTLY, THE MAJORITY OF THEM THINK THAT SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES AND DAYCARES RESULT IN A HEALTHIER NEIGHBORHOOD THAN, THAN LIQUOR STORES AND BARS AND PRIVATE CLUBS. SO, WELL, I, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT IT'S NOT JUST, IT'S NOT JUST SCHOOLS, DAYCARES AND, AND CHURCHES. I MEAN, THERE ARE BUSINESSES ALSO. AND I JUST FEEL LIKE THE BUS BUSINESSES SHOULD BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION. WELL, I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT THAT WAY. YOU SHOULD BE DECIDING IT. WE SHOULD BE, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK AND FORTH. MS. THOMAS, I'M SORRY. YES. UM, BUT YOU HAD YOUR TIME. UH, IF YOU HAVE A CLOSING COMMENT, I'LL, I'LL ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT. IS THERE ANY CLOSING COMMENT YOU MAY MAKE? I, I JUST WOULD LIKE COUNSEL, MAKE SURE THAT I, THAT AT LEAST I'M CLEAR, CLEAR ON, ON THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID. NO, MY, MY COMMENT WOULD BE THAT I THINK COUNSEL NEEDS TO LOOK INTO IT FURTHER. I THINK THAT THERE JUST NEEDS TO BE MORE ANALYSIS OF WHAT WOULD BE BEST TO ACHIEVE. OKAY. WHAT YOU WANNA ACHIEVE. THANK YOU. I DO APPRECIATE IT. ALRIGHT, SO NEXT I HAVE, UM, DAVID ISAAC. HELLO. GOOD EVENING. HELLO. GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL. MY NAME IS DAVID ISAAC. UH, I LIVE AT 6 1 2 LOFTS, TEXAS AVENUE. CAME HERE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THE, UH, CURRENT PROPOSED ORDINANCE, UH, AND PERHAPS EVEN OFFER A SUGGESTION, PERHAPS, UH, UH, SOME SORT OF RESOLUTION TO THE MATTER. UH, I SPOKE TO A CONSERVATIVE FRIEND TODAY WHO I TEAMED UP WITH ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO TO, UH, FIGHT THE, UH, RED LIGHT CAMERAS THAT YOU GUYS HAD INSTILLED. I'M NOT, I'M OVER IT IF YOU GUYS ARE . BUT, UH, ONE OF THEIR SUGGESTIONS WERE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, HONESTLY, I DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE OF THIS, HONESTLY. HE SAID, HONESTLY, I DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE IT GIVES THE CITY THE, THE, THE ABILITY TO PICK AND CHOOSE. AND, UH, AGAIN, HE'S A CONSERVATIVE GENTLEMAN. I KINDA LEANED INTO HIM AND I SAID, IS THAT WORD CALLED DISCRIMINATION? YOU KNOW, IS THAT THE WORD THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO HIDE FROM? AND, UH, HE, HE KIND OF AGREED WITH ME, AND IT KIND OF HURT HIM TO SAY THAT BECAUSE HE'S, HE'S, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT SORT OF, UH, ACTIVIST THAT'S READY TO FIGHT FOR THE FREEDOM OF BUSINESSES TO PARTICIPATE WHEREVER THAT EXEMPTION THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE IN 2013 WAS PUT THERE AS AN INCENTIVE TO GROW BUSINESS. UM, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T DISAGREE. I TRUST WHAT, UH, THE INTENT AND MOTIVE BEHIND COUNCILMAN PRESLEY IS. BUT I CAN'T IGNORE, IT'D BE REMISS FOR ME TO, UH, HEAR THE TAPE THAT, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN, UH, BE, UH, COUNCILMAN BE BETTENCOURT HAD SAID, USUALLY WHEN YOU TAKE AWAY AN INCENTIVE THAT SLOWS BUSINESS, BUT IT WAS FOLLOWED UP WITH THE TRUST. SO I'M WILLING TO TRUST HERE IF WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE DO HAVE, AND HERE'S MY SOLUTION, SOME SORT OF COUNCIL OR DEPARTMENT OF DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION. I SEE A LOT OF OTHER CITIES AND STATES AND BODIES, UH, AND, AND OTHER, OTHER, OTHER STATES THAT, THAT, THAT HAVE SOME SORT OF DEPARTMENT OF, OF DIVERSITY INCLUSION THAT ARE ABLE TO HASH THESE THINGS OUT SO PEOPLE DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE DISENFRANCHISED. [01:30:01] PEOPLE DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST. WHEN WE HAVE PROACTIVE, UH, UH, LEGISLATION LIKE THIS PUT IN PLACE OR, OR PROACTIVE DEPARTMENT THAT CAN, THAT THAT CAN ACT, UH, BEFORE SOMETHING UH, COMES UP, THEN I THINK THAT'S A BETTER RESOLUTION THAN TRYING TO AMEND SOMETHING THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE AS AN INCENTIVE. AND I'M SAYING THIS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE, FROM SOMEONE WHO BROUGHT BANDS FROM JAPAN, ITALY, TURKEY, TO COURT GRINDERS AND, AND PARTICIPATED WITH DIRTY BAY IN THOSE HEYDAYS IN 2016. IN 2013, I WAS THERE BEFORE LIVING IN JAPAN FOR FIVE YEARS, UH, IN THOSE CHURCHES. WHEN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CHURCHES, CENTRAL CHURCH OF CHRIST, WHERE I PARTICIPATED FOR OVER 30 YEARS, I'M 32, IT TELLS YOU ABOUT HOW LONG I WAS THERE. OKAY? UH, IT'S RIGHT THERE NEXT TO THE LEE COLLEGE TENNIS COURTS. THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY QUALMS OR QUALMS ABOUT THIS EXTENSION CHANGING WHEN YOU TALK IN TERMS OF LEE COLLEGE, UH, SOMEWHERE WHERE I RAN FOR, UH, A SCHOOL BOARD AND GOT 468 VOTES. BY THE WAY, NO OFFENSE, THAT'S MORE THAN YOU. AND YOU RAN UNOPPOSED IN TWO ELECTIONS, BUT NOT GONNA GO THERE. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE MANDATE OF THAT COMMUNITY, OF THAT CITY. AND SO, UM, YES, LET'S FIND A RESOLUTION, YOU KNOW, UH, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO, UH, FEEL PASSIONATE ABOUT EMOTIONAL ARGUMENTS, LET'S GET TO THE FISCAL PART OF THE MATTER. I THINK IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ABOUT THE PRECEDENT OF, UH, DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION DEPARTMENTS. WELL, MR. I, I WOULD JUST SAY I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. I'M JUST TRYING TO C HAVE YOU CIRCLE AROUND TO THE ITEM ITSELF, , UH, BUT YOU, YOU DID HIT IT A FEW TIMES AND YOU HIT, UH, SOME EXTRA STUFF. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS AT THAT TIME? YOUR TIME IS UP, BUT ANY, ANYTHING, UH, YOU FAVORED IT. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT WAS YOUR POINT BESIDES, I MEAN, YOU, YOU, YOU HIT A LOT OF OTHER POINTS, BUT FOR THE ITEM ITSELF ON, ON THE, THE EXEMPTION APPROVAL DISAPPROVAL, MY POSITION IS THAT IF AND WHEN YOU GUYS GO IN FAVOR OF THIS CHANGE, THAT IT DOESN'T CREATE A SLIPPERY SLOPE TO WHERE IT'S GONNA BE HARDER FOR PEOPLE TO CREATE BUSINESSES. I TRUST WHAT COUNCILMAN PRESLEY'S DOING. UH, I'VE SEEN HIM BECOME A TRANSFORMATIONAL CANDIDATE IN THE CITY. A LOT OF US HAVE, I CAN'T DENY THAT, BUT THIS CANNOT BECOME A SLIPPERY SLOPE WHERE IT BECOMES HARDER FOR PEOPLE. I HEARD HOSKINS ASK A QUESTION WHEN HE WAS, UH, REPRESENTING GOOSE CREEK ABOUT IT BEING 150 FEET. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY IT'S 300 FEET, BUT WE HEAR ACE HERE. ACE HAS CHOSEN ME TO HOST THEIR CHRISTMAS EVENT. THEY WANTED ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT. IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SPEAK AGAINST, UH, UH, UH, A STRATEGIC LEADERSHIP HERE, ESPECIALLY PUT IN PLACE. BUT, UM, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE, WE GOTTA FIND A RESOLUTION WHERE WE, WE DON'T CREATE A SLIPPERY SLOPE FOR, UH, UH, DISCRIMINATION. AND WE CAN ALSO CREATE THE STANDARDS WITHOUT MICROMANAGING THAT, THAT THAT'S PART OF, UH, COUNCILMAN PRESLEY'S VISION. THAT'S MY STANCE. OKAY. I APPRECIATE MS. ISAAC. OKAY. UH, WE HAVE NEXT OSCAR CHOPPA MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME'S OSCAR CHOPPA, AND MOST OF MY CONCERNS HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAID, EXCEPT I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT, UH, AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, MY WIFE YVONNE AND I BOUGHT, UH, THE OLD DELMONT IN 2015. WE RENOVATED IT, PUT SOME APARTMENTS AND SOME RETAIL AND, UH, SPACES IN IT TO RENT THE APARTMENT'S RENTED RIGHT AWAY. NO PROBLEM. IT WAS A RETAIL WE'RE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT RENTED NOW, BUT IT TOOK US YEARS TO GET THERE. AND, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT CAME A LOT OF INTEREST. AND MOST, MOST OF THESE ARE NOT THE HIGH DOLLAR BIG INVESTORS. THEY'RE JUST REGULAR WORKING PEOPLE THAT HAVE A DREAM AND THEY'RE TRYING TO FULFILL THAT DREAM FOR WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO OPEN. BUT ONCE THEY START LOOKING AT THE PROCESS OF THE CITY, THE PERMITTING AND EVERYTHING, THEY GET OVERWHELMED AND THEY STEP BACK, WELL, WE'RE GONNA THINK ABOUT THIS. AND WE DON'T HEAR ABOUT IT. UH, THEY DON'T COME BACK ANYMORE. SO, UH, I AM AGAINST THIS BECAUSE ADDING ANOTHER LAYER IS JUST GONNA ADD TO ANOTHER BARRIER FOR THESE, UH, PEOPLE OR PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS OWNERS IN OUR AREA. YEAH. AND I DON'T THINK, I THINK IT GOES AGAINST THE VISION OF WHAT ALL OF US WANNA SEE DOWN THERE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. APPRECIATE IT. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CHOPPA? ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR, UH, ONLINE FOLKS. I GUESS FIRST WILL BE MICHELLE, IS IT, I WANNA MAKE SURE I SAY HER LAST NAME, CORRECT? IS IT, IT'S J-I-R-O-N. IS IT JARON ON? SO, UM, SHE SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BUSY. YOU, YOU MIGHT WANNA TRY MR. RAY, WE HAVE MUNDO PEN CART. YEAH, PEN CART. OKAY. HI THERE. HELLO. SO, GO AHEAD AND, UM, I'M RAYMOND KART. I, UH, I GREW UP HERE IN BAYTOWN AND I STILL LIVE HERE ACTUALLY. AND, UH, I'VE SEEN THE CITY GROW IN, IN, IN MANY WAYS, ESPECIALLY THE DOWNTOWN AREA. UM, I'VE [01:35:01] BEEN IN THE BAR AND RESTAURANT INDUSTRY FOR SIX YEARS AND OWNED AND OPERATED MY OWN, UM, BAR AND VENUE AS WELL. AND IN HOUSTON, NOT, NOT HERE, . AND, UM, THE REASON I I CAME TO, TO, TO YOU GUYS TODAY IS TONIGHT IS THAT I'M ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN THE 30 BAY, UM, AND, AND BRINGING IT, YOU KNOW, BRINGING IT BACK. UM, AND THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING, UM, I KNOW, I, I HEAR THAT THE RENT, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE CHURCHES AND SCHOOLS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WELL, I'VE ALSO OPERATED IN MANAGED BARS THAT WERE NEAR THESE AREAS. AND I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, MOST OF THE TIME WE, THERE WAS ZERO TO LITTLE, I MEAN, LITTLE TO ZERO CONFLICT, UM, AND DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS WITH EITHER, EITHER OR, UM, MOST OF THE TIME, BECAUSE THE PLACES THAT I OPERATED IN THE HEIGHTS, UH, IDO, UH, MIDTOWN, UM, THERE WAS CERTAIN GUIDELINES THAT THAT HELPED KEEP THE PEACE BETWEEN EVERYBODY. UM, SUCH AS LIKE, UH, OPENING UP AFTER FIVE OR 6:00 PM UM, NO, NO NOISE, UH, UH, ON THE OUTSIDE AFTER 9:00 PM UM, YOU KNOW, KEEP, THIS JUST KEEPS IT FROM GETTING LOUD AND ROWDY. YOU KNOW, IT, IT DOESN'T, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT WHEN THEY SEE THAT THERE'S A BAR ACROSS THE STREET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WORST CASE SCENARIO, THERE'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE LOUD, IT'S GONNA BE ROWDY, IT'S GONNA GO LATE NIGHT. THAT WASN'T THE CASES IN, IN ANY OF THESE PLACES. UH, YOU KNOW, ALL AROUND ESPECIALLY, UM, ESPECIALLY ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF DOWNTOWN WHERE IT'S A SMALLER, TIGHTER COMMUNITY. BUT, UM, DOING THIS, LIKE MANY, MANY BEFORE ME HAD SAID, UM, WILL DISCOURAGE BUSINESS OWNERS FROM COMING INTO THIS VERY, VERY BEAUTIFUL RENOVATED AREA. UM, UM, I MEAN, I'M NOT COMING HERE JUST SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SALES OF ALCOHOL. I'M COMING HERE BECAUSE, UM, THAT GOES HAND IN HAND WITH ENTERTAINMENT AND FOOD. I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK EVERYBODY CAN AGREE ON THAT. UM, ALSO, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, LIKE, I MEAN, I, I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'VE SEEN AND THIS IS WHAT I'VE WORKED IN AND IT'S, IT'S, IT WASN'T MUCH, I'M SORRY, I'M TRYING TO READ MY NOTES HERE. I CAN SOMETIMES BARELY READ MY OWN WRITING . UM, BUT, UM, I, I, LIKE I SAID, IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, AND IN MOST CASES, SOMETIMES EVEN THE CHURCHES EVEN SHARED PARKING LOTS WITH US WHEN WE'RE, WE WEREN'T EVEN OPERATING AND VICE VERSA. I MEAN, THAT'S, I MEAN, IT'S ALL WITHIN, I GUESS, BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR . UM, BUT THIS, THIS AREA IS, IS IS SOMETHING FOR THAT NATURE TO, TO COME OUT AND BE DIVERSE AND, YOU KNOW, UNITY THROUGH CULTURE AND, AND, AND, AND IN CULTURE THROUGH ENTERTAINMENT. UH, THIS WOULD TAKE A BIG PIECE OF IT OUT. NOT ONLY THAT, BUT I MEAN THAT, THAT'S WHERE MOST OF OUR MONEY COMES IN FROM, IS THE SALES OF ALCOHOL. UM, AND IT WOULD JUST PUT A BIG CARD ON IT, ON INCOME, ON, ON TOURISTS, ON, ON JUST TRAFFIC IN GENERAL. AND I DO, I DO SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, UH, THAT ARE MOVING IN SUCH AS THE DELMONT, LTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. UM, THAT'S AWESOME. THESE, YOU KNOW, TENANTS ALSO LOOK FORWARD TO MOVING TO AREA. WHEN I LIVED IN DOWNTOWN, I LOOKED FORWARD TO IT BECAUSE I WAS NEAR RESTAURANTS IN BARS. ALRIGHT, SIR, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, UH, MAKE YOUR CLOSING COMMENT SO WE CAN MOVE ON. OKAY. UM, NO, THAT'S IT. I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO SAY HOW MUCH IT WOULD AFFECT AND, AND DETER FUTURE BUSINESS OWNERS FROM MOVING INTO THIS. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT, WELL WE DO, WE DO APPRECIATE YOU JOINING US ONLINE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SO THAT WAS EVERYBODY THAT HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. I'M JUST DOUBLE CHECKING WITH MS. MICHELLE TO SEE IF OKAY. I, I DON'T HAVE, DO HAVE ONE MORE CHANCE RESPONSE AND IF NOT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO COUNCIL COMMENTS. YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANY CHANCE. OKAY. UH OH, THERE SHE IS. OKAY. THERE, SHE'S READY. OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME RIGHT NOW? YES. HOW YOU DOING? UH, MICHELLE? I DID, YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME? SHE MAY HAVE THIS. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE CAN. UM, SHE'S UNMUTED, SIR. I, I THINK SHE'S HAVING, OH, THERE SHE IS. THERE SHE IS. CAN YOU HEAR US? CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU THOUGH. SORRY. WE, WE, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. SO CAN YOU, I'M NOT SURE WHERE YOUR MICROPHONE'S AT, BUT THERE IS SOME SOUND, BUT IT'S VERY, IT IS VERY HARD TO HEAR. [01:40:03] OKAY. I, I'M NOT SURE, BUT I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MOVE ON. OKAY. CAN YOU, CAN YOU TRY, CAN WE, CAN YOU TRY SPEAKING IF I CAN'T HEAR YOU? WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON. IF YOU, IF YOU GET A BETTER CONNECTION THEN WE'LL TRY TO, UM, GET YOU BACK ON. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON. ALRIGHT, SO COUNSEL, UH, SO YOU HEARD, UH, SOME INPUT OBVIOUSLY FROM COUNCILMAN, UM, PRESLEY, AND THEN FROM, UH, SOME CITIZENS. UH, WITH THAT, I'LL JUST, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, LET'S, LET'S BEGIN. YES, MS. ALVARADO. SO, MAYOR, SINCE THE LAST MEETING WHERE WE FIRST BROUGHT UP UP THE SUBJECT, I DID GO BACK, UM, TO RESEARCH THE MASTER PLAN FOR THIS AREA. AND I HAVE A COUPLE OF PAGES, I'M NOT GONNA READ EVERYTHING FROM HERE, BUT THANK YOU. UM, COUNCILMAN PRESLEY, UM, INDICATED SOME OF THE, THE THINGS THAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED ALREADY, SO I'M NOT GONNA GO OVER THOSE AGAIN. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS HAPPY ABOUT IS THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF CHECK BOXES ON THESE ITEMS. AND, AND RICK AND I WERE, WERE COMMENTING ON THAT AND HOW FAR WE'VE GOTTEN WITH THE TEXAS AVENUE DEVELOPMENT SINCE THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN. AND, UH, ONE OF THE OTHER ITEMS I ASKED FOR ALSO IS THAT SINCE THE EX EXCEPTION, I CAN'T TALK THIS EVENING, SEVEN YEARS AGO, HOW MUCH INTEREST, UM, AND HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN COMING TO THE CITY OR EVEN INQUIRING ABOUT OPENING A BAR OR RESTAURANT TO SELL, UM, ALCOHOL. AND, UM, THERE WASN'T VERY MUCH INTEREST. NOW, I, I KNOW THAT MS. THOMAS INDICATED THAT THEY'VE HAD A LOT OF INTEREST, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW, IF Y'ALL AT ALL COMMUNICATE AND IF YOU STIR PEOPLE TO THE CITY TO INQUIRE ABOUT THE PERMITTING PROCESS. SO I, I DUNNO HOW Y'ALL WORK THAT, BUT I JUST KNOW WHAT, WHAT I GOT FROM THE CITY IN TERMS OF REPORTS. THERE HAVE NOT BEEN VERY MUCH INTEREST. AND SO THIS EXEMPTION WAS ADDED TO SPUR INTEREST AND TO SPUR DEVELOPMENT. AND ONCE AGAIN, UM, FROM THE REPORT THAT I RECEIVED, THERE WEREN'T VERY MANY THAT HAD EITHER OPENED UP OR HAD EVEN INQUIRED ABOUT, UM, THE PROCESS TO OPEN UP THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS. AND SO IF IT'S NOT WORKING AS TO WHAT IT WAS INTENDED FOR, THEN AT THAT POINT, UM, I CONTINUED TO READ ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WERE NOT CONTACTED WHEN, UM, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON AND, AND I WENT THROUGH AND WERE TALKING TO BUSINESSES. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, THAT COMMENT, WE DID NOT GO AND TALK TO THEM DURING THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. WE HAVE GONE TO HAVE LUNCH, UM, AND IT, I THINK IT WAS WHEN WE WERE DOING THE 100 BLOCK. UM, AND SO HE WENT, HE WANTED TO GO AND TALK TO SOMEONE HE KNEW FROM THOSE BUSINESSES IN THE DISTRICT. SO WE ENDED UP JUST CONTINUING ON, UM, TO TALK TO OTHER BUSINESS OWNERS. AND I WILL REITERATE WHAT I MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING IS THAT, UM, MOST OF THEM, IF NOT ALL MENTIONED THAT WHAT THEY WOULD PREFER WITHIN THE TEXAS AVENUE ACE DISTRICT WAS TO HAVE MORE FAMILY FRIENDLY, UM, ENVIRONMENTS AND BUSINESSES, UH, LESS BARS. NOW, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE ZERO BARS. WE ARE JUST WANTING TO HAVE QUALITY ESTABLISHMENTS. I FEEL THAT, UM, IF, IF AT THAT TIME, MS. THOMAS, WE, WE DID NOT CONTACT ACE BECAUSE WE DID NOT, WE WERE NOT PREPARED TO REALLY DO ANYTHING. WE JUST WERE OUT THERE TALKING TO PEOPLE. BUT IN THE SAME INSTANCE WHERE THE ACE FEELS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE REACHED OUT TO THEM AND ASKED FOR OPINIONS AND, AND, AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK, I WOULD SAY THE SAME WOULD BE FOR SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES AND OTHER CITIZENS WITHIN THE AREA TO ALSO HAVE A VOICE. IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A BUSINESS, UH, ESTABLISHMENT, A BAR, A PUB AND GRILL, WHICH I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE, I FEEL THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS AND ORGANIZATIONS SHOULD HAVE THAT SAME, THAT SAME, UM, RIGHT, RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT SAME. RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S REALLY ALL WE'RE DOING. THE EXEMPTION IS OUT THERE FOR THE, FOR THE REST OF THE CITY. THIS IS THE ONLY AREA THAT DOES NOT HAVE IT. AND SO ALL WE'RE ALL WE'RE DOING IS REMOVING THE EXEMPTION. WE'RE NOT REMOVING THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR BUSINESSES TO COME AND SET UP. YES, THEY WOULD BE GOING THROUGH THE VARIANCE PROCESS, BUT I RECONFIRMED WITH KAREN, WITH LEGAL, THERE IS NO CHARGE TO GO THROUGH THE VARIANCE PROCESS AND MULTIPLE TIMES WITH MANY ISSUES. RICK AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE STIGMA BEHIND POTENTIAL BUSINESS OWNERS COMING AND THINKING THE CITY'S OF CITY OF BAYTOWN PERMITTING IS IN, UH, IMPOSSIBLE TO WORK WITH. THEY'RE HARD. IT'S [01:45:01] TOO LONG. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE HAVE TO DO TO FIGHT THAT STIGMA. UH, A VARIANCE PROCESS. I DO NOT FEEL THERE'S A PICK AND CHOOSE OF BUSINESSES. I FEEL IS WE'RE TREATING IT THE SAME AS WE ARE WITH THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY, WITH THE REST OF THE CITY. AND IT IS ALLOWING THAT VOICE, NOT JUST FOR THE ACE DISTRICT, UM, OWNERS, BUT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY WITHIN THAT AREA AS TO WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, MAYOR. UM, I AM IN FAVOR. I KNOW WE'RE NOT VOTING YET, BUT I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS ISSUE. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE ON. UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANY OH, OH, I GUESS I'LL GO. OKAY, GO AHEAD MA'AM. UM, COUPLE OF THINGS. UM, I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT THE ACE GROUP WASN'T INCLUDED IN THESE CONVERSATIONS. UM, I WAS SURPRISED. I KNOW THAT THEY WERE ONE OF THE CENTRAL, UM, PRO-BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATIONS DOWN THERE. SO WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING, IT WAS MY ASSUMPTION THAT THEY WERE CENTRAL TO THESE CONVERSATIONS. AND SO WHEN WE GOT THIS LETTER, I WAS, I WAS REALLY SURPRISED THAT THEY WEREN'T INCLUDED. I THINK THEY SHOULD BE. UM, THEY'RE THE VERY FEW PEOPLE WHO HAVE DARED TO ACTUALLY INVEST IN TEXAS AVENUE RIGHT NOW. AND SO THEIR OPINIONS, UM, ARE IMPORTANT TO ME. AND THEY'RE DOWN THEIR, YOU KNOW, LIVING THE SITUATION AND WHAT IT IS LIKE TO INVEST OR GET OTHER PEOPLE TO INVEST DOWN THERE. AND SO, UM, I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT PATH TO DRIVE NEW BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT ON TEXAS AVENUE. I BELIEVE WE'RE ALREADY STRUGGLING TO FIND PEOPLE WHO WANNA INVEST DOWN THERE. AND I AGREE THAT IF LIKE PIZZA HUT OR STARBUCKS WANTED TO COME TO TEXAS AVENUE, YES THEY WOULD'VE NO PROBLEM COMING IN FRONT OF COUNCIL ASKING FOR A VARIANCE. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S THESE BIG FRANCHISES THAT ARE GONNA OPEN DOWN THERE. I THINK IT'S MOM AND POPS. I THINK IT'S STARTUPS, I THINK IT'S LOCAL ENTREPRENEURS. AND I REALLY AGREE WITH MS. THOMAS'S COMMENTS, WHY GO THROUGH THE TROUBLE WHEN THERE'S ALL THIS OTHER SPACE AND OTHER AREAS OF, UH, BAYTOWN AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT. AND SO FOR, FOR ME, WHILE I AGREE WITH THE INTENT OF GETTING, UH, REPUTABLE GOOD BUSINESSES IN THE AREA, I'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT WE SHOULD BE MAKING IT EASIER FOR BUSINESSES TO OPEN ON TEXAS AVENUE AND NOT HARDER. AND I BELIEVE GOVERNMENT REGULATION MAKES IT HARDER FOR BUSINESSES TO OPEN. THE WORD FAMILY FRIENDLY KEEPS BEING THROWN OUT. AND IT'S REALLY CONFUSING TO ME BECAUSE I HAVE A FAMILY AND I GO TO BARS AND I DRINK. AND SO I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S LIKE ONE OR THE OTHER. I FEEL LIKE A HEALTHY ECONOMY WOULD HAVE A DIVERSE MIX OF BUSINESSES. SO TO ME, SOMEONE IS NOT GONNA BE OUT ON TEXAS AVENUE AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT WITH THEIR KIDS. SO I MEAN, WHY CAN'T THERE BE FAMILY FRIENDLY BUSINESSES? AND IN THE EVENING THERE ARE BUSINESSES THAT WOULD CATER TO, YOU KNOW, ADULTS WITHOUT CHILDREN. AND I MEAN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ONE OR THE OTHER. I THINK IT CAN BE A REALLY HEALTHY MIX. UM, I DON'T THINK BARS ARE A HEALTH AND SAFETY HAZARD TO SCHOOLS OR CHURCHES. AND UM, AND I THINK THE VARIANCE PROCESS, WHICH I KNOW WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THEM SEVERAL TIMES, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IT, IT'S KIND OF ENLIGHTENING ME THAT IT MIGHT BE FLAWED. UM, IT IS A SUBJECTIVE PROCESS. IT IS BASICALLY WHAT OUR SUBJECTIVE OPINIONS AND FEELINGS ARE ON BUSINESSES. AND IT'S NOT FAIR. THERE'S THERE, I MEAN, WHAT IF THERE WERE SEVEN PEOPLE UP HERE WHO DIDN'T DRINK A BAR WOULD NEVER STAND A CHANCE EVER. AND SO, UM, WITHOUT SOME KIND OF OBJECTIVE PROCESS OR WAY TO GO ABOUT THESE VARIANCES, UM, IT, IT HAS OCCURRED TO ME THAT I THINK THAT PROCESS COULD BE UNFAIR BASED ON THE SEVEN PEOPLE WHO SIT UP THERE AND THEIR SUBJECTIVE OPINIONS. MY GOAL IS TO SEE TEXAS AVENUE THRIVE AND, AND BE SUCCESSFUL AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, GOOD BUSINESSES THAT PEOPLE OF ALL WALKS OF LIFE WANT TO BE DOWN THERE. WE'RE INVESTING MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS ON THERE. SO I HAVE JUST AS MUCH INTEREST IN SEEING IT SUCCESSFUL, UM, AS THE REST OF YOU DO. AND I THINK WE SHOULD BE MAKING IT EASIER FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT AND [01:50:01] NOT HARDER. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MA'AM. UH, MR. UH, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. I WAS GONNA ASK SOME OF THE SAME QUESTIONS AND THAT, UH, COUNCILMAN ALVA. COUNCILWOMAN ALVARADO ASKED WAS, HOW LONG HAS THE EXEMPTION BEEN IN PLACE? 2013. 2013, MM-HMM . HOW MANY BUSINESSES, HOW MANY BARS HAVE WE HAD? WANT TO COME IN IF THEY GO AHEAD. OH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY IS THAT WE DID A, A QUICK STUDY OF THAT FROM 2013 TO 2019. AND WE FOUND, AND I WAS GONNA GIVE YOU A SMALL CORRECTION, UH, COUNCILMAN RADO IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE, UM, METRICS ON WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN TO INQUIRE ABOUT A BAR. WE ONLY HAVE METRICS ON WHEN SOMEONE ACTUALLY DOES APPLY FOR ONE. SO THE, THE INFORMATION THAT WE DID GIVE YOU IS THE INFORMATION THAT WHEN SOMEONE HAS COME IN TO APPLY AND RECEIVED AN ALCOHOL PERMIT. AND SO THAT FROM 2013 TO 2019 THERE WAS APPROXIMATELY, UM, NINE ESTABLISHMENTS. UH, BUT ALL OF THEM WERE NOT JUST BARS, THEY WERE PLACES THAT SOLD ALCOHOL. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. AND NOW KNOWING THAT THAT'S NOT EVEN DOUBLE DIGITS IN SIX YEARS, UM, THIS, THIS ORDINANCE WAS PUT INTO PLACE TO SPUR BUSINESS TO SPUR A CERTAIN TYPE OF BUSINESS AT THAT AND THINK, AND LOOKING AT THAT NINE THAT WANTED TO SELL SOME TYPE OF ALCOHOL. AND THEN, UM, I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE CHURCHES AND THE SCHOOLS EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY. WE HAVE SOME GUIDANCE ON THESE TYPE OF ESTABLISHMENTS AROUND CHURCHES AND SCHOOLS. I CAN RECALL A TIME WHERE WE HAD SOMEONE WANTING TO OPEN SOMETHING NEAR A DAYCARE SCHOOL TYPE FACILITY AND WE HEARD FROM THE DAYCARE AND THE SCHOOL, WHY WOULD WE NOT WANT TO DO THE SAME THING? AND THE WORD DISCRIMINATION WAS BROUGHT UP, TREATING PEOPLE UNFAIRLY. WELL, AT THAT POINT WE WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT STANDARD IN, IN A DIFFERENT PART OF THE CITY WHERE WE WOULD, WHERE WE WOULD BE SENDING THE MESSAGE THAT WE DO NOT WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU. YEAH. UM, IN MY OPINION, WE SHOULD HAVE THE, THE, THE PROCESS SHOULD BE CONGRUENT TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF PEOPLE HAVING A FEAR THAT IT MAY BE TOO COMPLICATED. WE HAVE BRETT HERE, IF, IF THEY WANT TO COME IN AND THEY THINK IT'S TOO COMPLICATED, SOMEONE DIRECT THEM TO BRETT'S TO WALK THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS SO THAT THEY CAN SEE THAT IT'S NOT AS COMPLICATED. UM, IT'S NOTHING WRONG WITH CALL CALLING EACH ONE OF US ON THIS DAIS. I'VE RECEIVED TELEPHONE CALLS, EMAILS, TEXTS, I HAVE YET TO RECEIVE A FAX, BUT I IMAGINE I'LL RECEIVE A FAX, UH, BEFORE MY TIME HERE ON COUNCIL IS DONE. WOULD SOMEONE WANTING SOME INFORMATION OR WANTING TO GIVE THEIR VIEWPOINT ON WHY THEY WANT ME TO CONSIDER SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE COMING BEFORE COUNCIL FOR A VARIANCE IS NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING. I'M LOOKING AT A VARIANCE AS A GOOD THING. 'CAUSE WE AT LEAST GET TO HEAR WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE HAD SOMETHING COME IN? I CAN THINK OF ONE TIME WHERE THERE WAS SOMEONE WHO PUT A, A PAINTED YELLOW TIRE OUT IN THE CORNER OF THE ROAD. I CAN THINK OF ANOTHER TIME WHERE A HOTEL CAME IN NEAR ONE OF MY SUBDIVISION, ONE OF THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT I WAS ELECTED TO REPRESENT. AND WHAT HAPPENED? I GOT PHONE CALLS ASKING, WHY, WHY? HOW DID YOU LET THIS HAPPEN? WELL, YOU KNOW HOW IT HAPPENED. THEY WERE ALLOWED TO DO IT, AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO COME BEFORE US. AND I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE STUCK WITH UNTIL SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENS. I DON'T MIND TAKING THE TIME. THAT'S WHY WE WERE ELECTED TO SIT HERE AND HEAR THESE TYPE OF CONCERNS FOR THE CITIZENS. WE ARE HERE TO HELP PROMOTE BUSINESS. WE DO WANT TO PROMOTE BUSINESS. BUT IF IT'S, IT COMES AT THE COST OF OUR CITIZENS, SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A SAY SO IN IT. UH, ANYBODY IF THEY WANT, IF THEY REALLY WANT TO DO IT. WE HAD THOSE GENTLEMEN WHO CAME DOWN HERE ACROSS FROM THE CHURCH. THEY REALLY WANTED TO OPEN THEIR ESTABLISHMENT. THEY MADE A POINT TO COME IN AFTER WORK TO BE HEARD. ANYONE WHO REALLY WANTS TO DO IT, GUESS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO? THEY'RE GONNA COME DOWN HERE TO BE HEARD. AND IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO LISTEN TO THEM AND JUDGE IT OFF OF THE MERITS OF WHAT WE WANT TO SEE AND WHAT THE RESIDENTS TELL US THEY WANT TO SEE HERE AROUND THEM IN OUR CITY. [01:55:01] ANY MAYOR? YES, SIR. I, I, I, MY 2 CENTS, AND I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF, I DON'T THINK THE CHURCHES, SCHOOLS, AND DAYCARES IN THE AGED DISTRICT SHOULD BE TREATED ANY DIFFERENTLY THAN ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY. I HATE THE CARVE OUTS. I DON'T LIKE THAT AT ALL. I THINK THAT THE FACT THAT, UH, THE, THE WHOLE EVERYONE IS KIND OF HIDING BEHIND, OR THE FACT THAT THIS VARIANCE PROCESS IS SO DIFFICULT. WELL, IT'S REALLY NOT, AND THERE'S NO FEE FOR IT, AND IT'S AVAILABLE, AND IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE EFFORT TO GET THROUGH THAT PROCESS, BUT THAT IS WHAT IT IS TO GET THERE. UM, I THINK THAT, I REMEMBER SOME PICTURES. WE GOT A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEETINGS AGO ABOUT A, SOME BEAUTIFUL BARS. I GUESS THESE PICTURES WERE TAKEN IN AUSTIN OR SOMEWHERE LIKE THAT, AND WE'LL PROBABLY NEVER GET ANYTHING LIKE THOSE PICTURES DESCRIBED. THEY WERE GORGEOUS, GORGEOUS, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, WHATEVER. GET THAT. BUT I'D LIKE TO GET SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THAT AND AN IGLOO ICE CHEST, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU FLIP THE LID BACK AND YOU CAN DO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FAMILY CHURCH, YOU KNOW, A BARKING OPEN AT NOON, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S JUST THE EVENING. THEY'RE ALL DAY LONG, YOU KNOW, OUT THERE. AND I JUST DON'T LIKE THAT CLOSE TO THE CHURCHES AND SCHOOLS. I THINK THIS COUNCIL WOULD BE VERY RECEPTIVE AND EVEN INCENTIVIZE. MM-HMM . SOMETHING NICE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, DECENT AND NICE. AND I THINK THIS KEEPS THE, THE, THE TERRIBLE LOW, LOW LOW INVESTMENT TYPE BAR ACTIVITY OUT OF THERE AND AWAY FROM THE CHURCH SCHOOLS AND CHILDREN. BUT THESE CHILDREN HERE ARE ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE CHILDREN OUT OFF GARTH ROAD. THAT'S RIGHT. OR OUT OFF NORTH MAINE'S. RIGHT. SO WHY DO WE CHEAT, TREAT THE CHILDREN, THE CHURCHES AND SCHOOLS IN THE ACE DISTRICT DIFFERENTLY? I DON'T GET THAT. IF THIS, IF THIS ORDINANCE IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE WHOLE CITY, WHY, WHY DID WE EVER CARVE IT OUT IN THE ACE DISTRICT? I DON'T GET THAT. SO, UM, I, I, WELL, YOU KNOW WHERE I STAND ON IT, THAT'S ALL I GOT. NO, SIR. WELL, I GUESS I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT HAD TO SAY, IF, IF WE PUT, IF WE PUT THIS IN PLACE, THIS EXEMPTION IN PLACE SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WELL, YEAH. WE PUT IT DOWN AND IT DIDN'T DO WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO DO, IT FAILED. THEN WE NEED TO PUT IT BACK LIKE IT WAS AND THINK OF SOMETHING ELSE. THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT. MM-HMM . AND THEN WE PUT EVERYTHING BACK LIKE IT WAS BEFORE THE ENTIRE CITY FALLS INTO THE SAME RULES. THERE'S NO EXEMPTIONS ANYWHERE. AND THEN, UH, AS, AS, UH, COUNCILMAN HESSEL SAID, IT'S REAL EASY TO GET THE VARIANCE. IT'S JUST ONE MORE STEP TO COME TO US AND GET THE VARIANCE AND LIFE GOES ON. SO THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTION? YES, MA'AM. JUST A, A COUPLE MORE ITEMS. UM, AND, AND I WANNA GO BACK TO, UH, MS. THOMAS'S COMMENTS ABOUT, UM, PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONTACTED ACE ABOUT BEING INTERESTED AND, AND NATHAN'S CLARIFICATION THAT WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO TRACK THOSE THAT MAY BE INTERESTED, OR ANY CALLS OR INQUIRIES. I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE MAYBE, UM, THAT WE HAVE SOME SORT OF ONGOING DIALOGUE BETWEEN ACE AND THE CITY, AND IF THEY'RE GETTING INQUIRIES AND PEOPLE ARE COMING TO THEM ABOUT OPENING IN THE ACE THAT THAT'S COMMUNICATED TO BRETT OR NATHAN, WHOEVER IS SUPPOSED TO GET THAT, TO SEE HOW WE CAN HELP AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THOSE POTENTIAL BUSINESS OWNERS HAVE. POSSIBLY MAYBE EVEN DO, UH, DOING BUSINESS ON TEXAS AVENUE, SOME SORT OF WORKSHOP WHERE, HEY, IF YOU WANNA OPEN UP ON BUS ON TEXAS AVENUE, THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD NEED. NOT SO MUCH AS WE'LL GIVE YOU CAPITAL, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE STEPS TO OPEN UP A BUSINESS? ESPECIALLY IF IT'S, UM, SOMETHING THAT NEEDS A VARIANCE. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD SPUR NOT JUST FOR THAT, BUT I'M THINKING ALSO OF THE FUTURE OF MARKET STREET REVITALIZATION. UM, I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, MS. WHITCOMB. UM, OH YEAH. UH, YES. THE ARTS LEAGUE RETS. YES. THE EMAILS SHE SENT ABOUT THE, UM, WHAT IS IT? THE FACILITY THAT THEY RAN OUT? YES. UM, UH, THE ART CENTER OF BAY BAYTOWN IN, UM, ACCORDING TO KAREN, THIS IS A, UH, CITY OF BUSINESS OWNED, UH, BUILDING. SO WOULD THEY, UM, I GUESS WHAT I'M, I'M TRYING TO ASK. SO DOES EVERY PERSON THAT WANTS TO RENT THE FACILITY FOR WHATEVER EVENT, DOES EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL HAVE TO COME IN TO ASK FOR A VARIANCE? OR WILL THE VARIANCE BE ISSUED AS A WHOLE AND OR DO THEY EVEN NEED A VARIANCE SINCE IT'S CITY OWNED? OKAY, I CAN ANSWER THAT ONE. SO CURRENTLY, UM, IT IS, IT IS A CITY FACILITY, AND CURRENTLY THEY CAN'T SELL UNDER THEIR LEASE WITHOUT APPROVAL OF COUNCIL. SO IF THERE'S GONNA BE SALE OF ALCOHOL THERE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL. SO AT THE SAME TIME THEY COME AND GET THEIR APPROVAL, THEY COULD ALSO GET THEIR VARIANCE AT THAT TIME. YEAH. AND IF THEY'RE JUST SERVING ALCOHOL AND THEY SERVE IT TO EVERYONE AND IT'S FREE, THERE IS NO PERMIT NEEDED. OKAY. SO THEY DO NOT SELL, UH, ACCORDING TO HER LETTER, THEY DO NOT SELL. UM, THEY SERVE IT, [02:00:01] BUT THEN THEY HAVE OTHER INDIVIDUALS THAT COME IN AND RENT IT. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE PEOPLE THAT RENT IT, SELL, OR JUST SERVE, JUST SERVE OUR ORDINANCE, COVERS THE SALE. OKAY. SO WOULD THEY BE IMPACTED, I GUESS, WOULD THEY BE IMPACTED BY THE, BY REMOVING THIS EXEMPTION? I BELIEVE THEY'RE WITHIN 300 FEET, IS THAT CORRECT, NATHAN? YEAH. I'M SORRY. I'M NOT AWARE. WHERE, WHERE IS THIS LOCATION? OUR, THE A 110 WEST TEXAS AVENUE. AND THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE BRUNSON? NO, THAT'S DOWN CLOSER TO COMMERCE STREET FURTHER EAST. YEAH. I'D HAVE TO, I'D HAVE TO MEASURE IT. UM, I'M SORRY. I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. IT'S JUST MAYBE A HUNDRED FEET FROM COMMERCE. BUT WHAT KAREN IS SAYING, I, I BELIEVE, IS THAT THEY'RE PROHIBITED FROM SELLING. RIGHT. ACCORDING TO OUT THE AGREEMENT WITH US, THE EAST, WITH THE CITY. THEREFORE, THEY WOULD NOT REQUIRE, PERMIT WOULD'VE TO COME HERE TO GET YOUR APPROVAL. OKAY. OR WHERE THEY NEED A VARIANCE. 'CAUSE THEY JUST SERVE. OKAY. OKAY. AND I'M GOING BACK AND READING IT SO EVERYONE WHO RENTS IS JUST SERVES THE ALCOHOL. SO AS LONG AS THERE'S NOT A SALE, THEN WE'RE OKAY. YOU'RE OKAY. YOU'RE OKAY. OKAY. SO WE WILL SOMEONE REACH OUT TO MS. WHITCOMB AND KIND OF BRIEF HER ON THAT. THANK YOU. SO L LOOKING AT THE MAP RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE NOT, UH, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO GET THE VARIANCE. THEY WOULD NOT NEED ONE. IT'S NOT ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTED PROPERTIES. OKAY. SO THE ORDINANCE WOULDN'T AFFECT THEM. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I LIKE MY, MY LAST, UH, OR MY ONLY COMMENTS, I GUESS, SO I, I GUESS I LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, AND I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WERE, ARE YOU, WERE YOU IN 2013? I THINK I WAS. SO I'M ASSUMING, OBVIOUSLY COUNSEL PUT THAT IN PLACE AS, AS AN INCENTIVE TO TRY TO ATTRACT, UM, UH, PLACES THAT WOULD, UM, I GUESS APPLY FOR THE CELL OF ALCOHOL. AND SO, UH, IF IT'S NINE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, UM, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. UM, WHAT I RE WHAT I, IF I RECALL, I DON'T THINK WE EVEN, EVEN THEN THAT WE GET FROM THE AREA OF CHURCHES, AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AREA OF CHURCHES BACK THEN THAT IT IS TODAY. I DON'T THINK THEY, THEY HAD, LIKE, THEY DIDN'T COME HERE AND TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE YOU TAKING THIS EXEMPTION AWAY? I DON'T RECALL THAT. AND SO I DON'T SEE THEM HERE TONIGHT EITHER. AND SO I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT THE IMPETUS OF, OF, OF, THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, WE NEVER HAVE A VOICE, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING BARS OR WHATEVER NEAR US. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYBODY HERE. AND MAYBE THEY'RE JUST NOT AWARE. I DON'T KNOW. UM, MAYOR, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT IF YOU WANT ME TO. YEAH, I COULD. I MEAN, JUST IF YOU MINE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, THEN THAT WAS JUST ONE, ONE. I, ONE, ONE THOUGHT I HAD, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHICH REGENTS WERE THERE AT THE TIME. I KNOW THERE WAS, IT WAS A PRESIDENT OR TWO AGO AT THE COLLEGE. I DON'T KNOW WHO THE PASTOR WAS BACK THEN, BUT I CAN TELL YOU, EVERY BOARD OF REGENT, THE PRESIDENT'S OFFICE, EVERY PASTOR I SPOKE WITH WAS SHOCKED THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE A VOICE OR AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN, IN, IN THE PROCESS. AND, AND FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR RIGHT TO BE HEARD. THEY, THEY WERE, THEY WERE SHOCKED. SO ANYWAY, SO WHAT I WOULD CONTINUE ON, I THINK BOB WOULD, OR, OR COUNCILMAN HOSKINS, WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU MENTIONED IS REGARDLESS OF THIS EXEMPTION, I THINK THIS EXEMPTION EITHER WAY IS NOT OUR ISSUE. WE CAN APPROVE IT OR DISAPPROVE IT OR WHATEVER. I AGREE. I THINK OUR ISSUE IS THAT WE HAVE, AND I'LL KEEP USING AN EIGHT BLOCK AREA THAT WE CONTINUE TO INVEST IN. AND I WOULD HATE TO PROHIBIT, UM, PEOPLE IF, IF IT'S A PIZZA HUT OR IF IT'S SOMEBODY FROM AUSTIN WITH A REALLY NICE BAR, I HATE TO, IN A SENSE, UM, PUT AN ADDITIONAL LAYER THAT'S NEEDED. UM, FROM, FROM THE, THE VARIANT OR I GUESS REMOVAL. I DON'T MIND THEM. THEY HAVE TO GO, I GUESS IF THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. MY CONCERN IS THAT SOMEBODY COULD PUT A SCHOOL OR SOMETHING THAT DOES QUALIFY AS A DAYCARE IN THAT AREA, AND THAT'S A GAME CHANGER. AND SO I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE REMOVING THE EXEMPTION IF THAT'S THE CASE, IF SOMETHING ELSE WAS IN PLACE TO PROTECT THE EIGHT BLOCK AREA. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? ABSOLUTELY. IT DOES. GOOD. SO THAT MEANS WE PROTECT THAT. UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I, I, THE LAST THING I WANTED TO SEE IS, I, I HAVE TO SAY IT WOULD BE A DAYCARE THAT'S RIGHT THERE ON TEXAS AVENUE THAT WOULD PROHIBIT, UM, OBVIOUSLY ANY, WELL, PEOPLE CAN COME HERE FOR VARIANCE, BUT YOU START PUTTING SCHOOLS IN DAYCARES, WHICH I DON'T THINK WOULD HAPPEN, BUT IT COULD HAPPEN. I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE REMOVING THE EXEMPTION, BUT, BUT, BUT PUTTING LANGUAGE THAT PROTECTS THAT AREA OF TEXAS AVENUE SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME, IF A SCHOOL'S GONNA OPEN, OR DAYCARE NURSERY SCHOOL, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, THEY'RE AWARE THAT THIS IS A PLACE THAT, THAT THE CELL OF ALCOHOL MAY BE IN, IN EFFECT EVEN INCENTIVIZED. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WELL, THAT'S MY COMMENT. IF, IF, LIKE I SAY, I THINK WE OUGHT A, LIKE COUNCILMAN HOSKINS ALLUDED TO PUT IT BACK LIKE IT WAS, MAKE THE CORRECTION. AND IF STAFF CIRCLES UP AND CONTINUES THE DIALOGUE AND, AND THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT IT MORE OF A MICRO LEVEL. UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, MAN, I'M OPEN HERE. I I CAN JUST TELL YOU THERE'S, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE THING ABOUT THIS ITEM, UH, COUNCILMAN, IS THAT [02:05:01] WHEN, WHEN THIS, WHEN THIS SUBJECT MATTER SURFACED, IT, IT, WE STARTED WITH ABOUT, WE, WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT FOOD AND, AND BAR THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE IT WAS AT FIRST. AND THEN IT JUST ALLUDED TO THIS EXEMPTION. AND IT, I JUST, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT LAST MEETING. UM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT, WHAT IT ENTAILS. NOW. I JUST, I'D RATHER US REALLY GET THIS RIGHT. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF LOOKING AT HOW DO WE ALLOW IF IT, IF IT IS THE AREAS, CHURCHES AND, AND, AND SCHOOLS OR DAYCARES HAVE A VOICE. BUT I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE PROTECT, UH, THE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT ARE THERE IF THEY WANT TO, MAYBE THEY WANT TO EXPAND. IF THEY JUST HAVE A BEER AND WINE AND THEY WANNA EXPAND THEIR, THEIR TO A, TO A LIQUOR LICENSE. I'D LIKE US TO, TO HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE. AND APPARENTLY THERE'S AT LEAST, UM, SOME, SOME EITHER MISCOMMUNICATION OR A LACK OF COMMUNICATION THAT TOOK PLACE REGARDLESS, I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE KNOWING THAT THAT COMMUNICATION TOOK PLACE. UM, I THINK, UH, COUNCILWOMAN ALVARADO THAT THAT'S WHAT SHE MENTIONED. I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A RUSH TONIGHT PERSONALLY OF, OF REMOVING THE EXEMPTION. AND I WOULD CER ME PERSONALLY, I WOULD CERTAINLY FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH HAVING OTHER THINGS IN PLACE THAT REALLY KIND OF PROTECTS WHAT WE ARE DOING ON, AS YOU ALLUDED TO, SINCE 2004 OF INVESTING IN TEXAS AVENUE AND, AND, AND THE, THE ARTS, UH, THE ARTS OR THE, THE ACE TYPE, UM, ESTABLISHMENTS. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. WELL, YES, MA'AM. OH, YES. YOU WANNA GIVE THE THREE MINUTES? YES. MS. THOMAS? YES. UM, SO, UH, I BELIEVE, UM, MS. MICHELLE OR MICHELLE, SHE IS, UH, SHE DID, UH, ALLOCATE HER THREE MINUTES TO YOU, MS. THOMPSON. UH, MS. THOMAS, IF YOU HAVE ANY, UH, ANY COMMENTS TO MAYBE MAKE FROM, FROM WHAT HER PERSPECTIVE MAY BE? UM, I BELIEVE SHE'S THE OWNER OF, WAS THE WASABI RESTAURANT SUSHI BAR. RIGHT. UM, SHE, SHE DOES APOLOGIZE, UM, BECAUSE OF TECHNOLOGY, I GUESS, UH, ISSUES. SHE SAID, THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR ALLOWING YOUR COMMENTS. YEAH, SHE ACTUALLY EMAILED HER COMMENTS TO ME. OKAY. SO THIS IS FROM MICHELLE JARRON. SHE'S THE OWNER OF WASABI. UH, SHE SAID AT FIRST, WHEN WE LOOKED AT OUR SPOT AT 2 0 6 WEST TEXAS AVENUE, WE WERE HESITANT BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF FOOT TRAFFIC AND OTHER BUSINESSES. MY HUSBAND AND I DECIDED TO SIGN A 10 YEAR LEASE AFTER FINDING OUT ABOUT THE EXEMPTION BECAUSE IT PAVED THE ROAD OR VISION OF THE FUTURE, THE POTENTIAL FOR BAR HOPPING, LIVE MUSIC, STREET FESTIVALS AND RESTAURANTS. SIMILAR TO THE STRAND IN GALVESTON, DEEP ELEMENT IN, IN DALLAS. WE ARE GLAD WE TOOK THAT RISK IN 2017. I LIKE TO THINK THAT BY BEING A SUCCESSFUL RESTAURANT THAT SERVES ALCOHOL AND OCCASIONAL LIVE MUSIC PRIOR TO COVID, OTHERS WERE OTHERS WHO ARE LIKE-MINDED WOULD FOLLOW, WHICH WE'VE SEEN MULTIPLE INQUIRIES. COVID BROUGHT, I'M SORRY. WHILE WE'VE SEEN MULTIPLE INQUIRIES, COVID BROUGHT THE MAJORITY OF THOSE TO A HALT. HOWEVER, WE ARE SEEING MORE ACTIVITY. RECENTLY, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THE CITY INVESTED IN THE STREETS AND TOWN SQUARE SHOWED A CITY INVOLVEMENT IN AN AREA THAT MAY HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN FORGOTTEN. EVENTS THAT THE ACE DISTRICT AND THE CITY HAVE PLANNED HAVE PROVEN PROFITABLE FOR THE ALCOHOL SALES, TRIPLING OUR SALES AT EVENTS LIKE THE CARIBBEAN VIBES ON THE AVENUE, SNOW DAY, THE CHRISTMAS PARADE, CINCO DE MAYO, A A TACO TRUCK ARTS AND EATS AT THE ART LEAGUE OF BAYTOWN. I THINK BY REMOVING THE EXEMPTION, IT WILL HINDER BUSINESSES TRYING TO OPEN IN THIS AREA AND MAKE THE PROCESS MORE DIFFICULT TO ATTAIN A LIQUOR OR BEER AND WINE LICENSE. THEY MAY CHOOSE TO LOOK ELSEWHERE. MICHELLE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO ANYWAY, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. I WOULD, I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF Y'ALL WANNA, IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO ENTERTAIN MAYBE GETTING SOME MORE INFORMATION AND THEN TAKE AN ACTION AT A LATER DATE. IF NOT, THEN I GUESS I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE THAT WE PASS, THAT I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE AS WRITTEN, UH, FOR A CORRECT. SURE. AND, UH, AND I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE AND ASK THAT STAFF AND OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SPECIALIST DO CIRCLE UP WITH ALL OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS, THE EYE DOCTORS, THE ATTORNEYS, ALL OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS IN, IN THAT AREA. AND, UH, IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN MASSAGE LATER ON, OR MAYBE THERE'S A NEW CONCEPT OUT THERE THAT WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, THAT CERTAINLY WE WOULD, WE WOULD ENTERTAIN ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THE FUTURE. BUT I, I MOVE TO APPROVE AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S, THE CORRECTION IS, IS MUCH NEEDED. SECOND, CAN WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND? ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I THINK MY ONLY, ONLY ADDITIONAL COMMENT ON THAT WOULD BE, UM, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UH, MR. DIETRICH. SO A LOT OF THE DI A LOT OF THE, THE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT ARE PART OF THE ACE DISTRICT, UM, EXCUSE ME, THE HISTORIC BAYTOWN ARTS, CULTURE AND ENTERTAINMENT COUNCIL, UM, [02:10:02] WOULD BE MY UNDERSTANDING BASED OFF, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE, THE, THE LITTLE BUBBLES THAT WE SAW LAST TIME. YES, SIR. THOSE WOULD NOT BE CURRENTLY BE IMPACTED BY, BY THIS EXEMPTION REMOVAL. IS THAT CORRECT? EVERYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT? UM, OUTSIDE OF THOSE BUBBLES, YEAH. UM, CURRENTLY THE, WHERE THOSE BUBBLES WERE IS WHERE THE EXEMPTION WOULD'VE OCCURRED MM-HMM . RIGHT, RIGHT. BASED OFF OF WHERE CURRENT SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, AND SO ON. YES. OKAY. YES, SIR. SO THEY, THEY ARE FOR THEM IT'S NO, FOR RIGHT NOW IT'S NO CHANGE. THERE'D BE NO CHANGE. CORRECT. FOR A LARGE MAJORITY OF THAT EIGHTH DISTRICT. YES, CORRECT. RIGHT. SO NO CHANGE FOR THEM, BUT I DO WANT US TO VISIT. HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE, WHAT DO WE DO? JUST, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WE GO AND WE SAY, HERE'S, HERE'S A SCHOOL, YOU CAN'T OPEN A BAR. BUT I THINK I WANT TO LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY OF THIS IS AN AREA THAT WE MAY, THAT WE ARE MAYBE, MAYBE EVEN INCENTIVIZING THE CELL OF ALCOHOL. WE NEED TO ALSO TRY TO FIGURE OUT IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN UN THAT SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, DAYCARES, THAT WANNA OPEN IN THAT AREA, THAT THEY HAVE THAT UNDERSTANDING TOO. WELL, I THINK THE WAY YOU DO THAT IS YOU PUT LIMITATIONS ON WHAT CAN ENCROACH ON SCHOOLS. YEAH. AND CHURCHES, YOU CAN DO THE SAME THING ON SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES ENCROACHING ON BALL. ABSOLUTELY. HAD THAT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I SAYING. THAT'S MY POINT. HAD SITUATION, THE LAW OF THE WILD WEST, WHO'S THERE FIRST? YEAH. WE HAD THAT SITUATION OUT ON, ON ON MAIN STREET WHERE WE HAD A BEER DISTRIBUTOR BUILT OUT THERE. YEAH. WITH THE INTENT OF MOVING HIS DISTRIBUTORSHIP OUT THERE. AND THEN LO AND BEHOLD, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BUYS THE LAND RIGHT BY IT AND PUTS A SCHOOL THERE AND NOW HE CAN'T GET THERE. YEAH. SO, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND. YEAH. WHAT I'M SAYING, YOU UNDERSTAND MY POINT. IT'S KIND OF LIKE ALGEBRA, WOULD YOU DO TO ONE SIDE, DO THE OTHER SIDE IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN GET THERE, UM, I MAINLY LOOK AT THAT EIGHT BLOCK AREA TO, TO THAT WAY THAT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO OPEN A DAYCARE, 'CAUSE IT COULD HAPPEN. I BELIEVE DAYCARES ARE, NATHAN TELL ME FROM DAYCARES ARE PROHIBITED USE IN ACE. CORRECT? THAT'S, THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. SO IT WOULD BE A CHURCH OR SCHOOL. SCHOOL. SCHOOL OR A HOSPITAL. EXCUSE ME. OR A HOSPITAL. OR A HOSPITAL. BUT OKAY. RIGHT. THAT'S VERY UNLIKELY. THAT VERY UNLIKELY. VERY UNLIKELY. TECHNICAL SCHOOLS ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT. 'CAUSE THAT'S A BUSINESS THAT'S NOT, THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S SO A TRADE SCHOOL, THAT'S, LET'S JUST SAY THERE'S A TRADE SCHOOL WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T MEET THAT DEFINITION. I WOULD NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD ASSUME NOT, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT FOR SURE. YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK BASED OFF MS. THOMAS'S COMMENT, SHE SAID THAT AT THE 200 BLOCK, WELL, SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT I THINK MAYBE A DAYCARE NURSERY. I THINK COUNCILMAN, UM, PREFER MENTIONED THAT IT WOULD BE SOME KIND OF A TRADE SCHOOL TRADE, I GUESS A TRADE SCHOOL BUSINESS TRADE SCHOOL. MM-HMM . SO WE NEED TO KNOW, I MEAN, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M ASKING FOR, RIGHT? YES. SO IF THERE'S A WAY, IF THERE'S A PATH, I, I WOULD CERTAINLY WOULD, UH, LIKE US TO PURSUE THAT. YES, SIR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. OKAY. IF THERE'S A BUSINESS THAT IS AFFECTED BY THE REMOVAL OF THIS EXEMPTION IS, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT WE CAN GRANDFATHER A VARIANCE IN RIGHT NOW IF WE GO FORWARD WITH THIS THERE ALCOHOL LICENSE, BUT IF THERE'S AN, IF THERE'S AN EXISTING ALCOHOL LICENSE AT ANY LOCATION, IT WOULD CONTINUE TO MM-HMM . SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY, SIR. I KNOW. OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. IT'S ONLY AFTER THE LICENSE GOES IT, UM, EXPIRES OR IS GIVEN UP AND THERE'S A CERTAIN GRACE PERIOD THAT FOLLOWS IT. A AFTER ALL THAT, THEN THE GRANDFATHERING WOULD GO AWAY. OKAY. SO, SO, SO IF I HAVE A BUSINESS RIGHT NOW AND I HAVE AN ALCOHOL LICENSE, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THAT ALCOHOL LICENSE IF WE PULL THE EXEMPTION, THAT BUSINESS CAN STILL OPERATE AS IT IS? OH, YES SIR. THERE'S TODAY. YEP. NO PROBLEM. YES, SIR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. YES, SIR. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM AS PRESENTED, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED NAY. OKAY. SO WE WILL, UM, UH, ITEM DOES CARRY, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR B. UH, BEFORE THAT, UM, I'D LIKE, IF I COULD, UM, ON THIS, FOR THE SAKE OF THIS ONE GENTLEMAN, I, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MOVE TO ITEM EIGHT [a. Consider the appointment of two (2) members of the Baytown Police Advisory Committee.] A, CONSIDER THE APPOINTMENT OF TWO MEMBERS. OH, EXCUSE ME, NOT THAT. YES. UH, CONSIDER THE APPOINTMENT OF TWO MEMBERS OF THE BAYTOWN POLICE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I BELIEVE, UH, WE HAVE TWO APPOINTMENTS FROM TWO COUNCIL DISTRICTS. CAN WE MOVE TO THAT? I THINK THERE'S AT LEAST ONE GENTLEMAN THAT, THAT'S BEEN HERE PATIENTLY WAITING FOR THAT. I, HEY, FOR HIM TO CONTINUE. I DON'T THINK HE CAN HEAR YOU. HE'S OUT THERE. IS HE OUT THERE? CAN SOMEBODY GRAB HIM? I BELIEVE IS THAT MR. WHITAKER? HUNSINGER. HUNSINGER. AND THEN, UM, IS THERE A, THEY MAY NOT BE HERE, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER APPOINTMENT. WHO'S THE OTHER APPOINTMENT? DISTRICT TWO. DISTRICT TWO? YES, SIR. I'M READY. ARE YOU READY? OKAY, I'M READY. I'M READY. OKAY. FOR ME, HE MAY HAVE, I DON'T, HAVE WE READY? WELL, I THINK WE'RE WAITING FOR THE ONE GENTLEMAN, BUT YEAH, I DID MINE. THEY TRACK HIM [02:15:01] DOWN. HE LEFT. OKAY. WELL, UM, WE'LL MOVE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, AND, UH, ADDRESS THIS ITEM. SO, UH, COUNCILMAN, UH, PRESLEY, YOU HAVE AN APPOINTMENT FOR THIS COMMITTEE? YES, SIR, I DO. I'VE SPOKEN WITH SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS, UM, AND I'VE DECIDED TO APPOINT DR. MARISSA MARINO. YES. AND THE CITY CLERK HAS THEIR INFORMATION. YES, SIR, I DO. ALRIGHT. SHE WAS A APPLICANT IN THE APPLICANT POOL. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE, UH, COUNCIL COUNCILWOMAN, UH, BEN COURT. YES. SO THE DISTRICT FOUR APPOINTMENT IS MR. RICHARD HUNSINGER, AND HE WAS HERE THIS EVENING. HE, UH, WANTED TO BE HERE. AND, UM, IT'S KIND OF A TESTAMENT TO HIS DEDICATION AND HIS ENTHUSIASM FOR SERVING ON THIS COMMITTEE. HE'S NEVER SERVED ON A COMMUNITY, UH, COMMITTEE FOR THE CITY BEFORE, AND HE FEELS REALLY HONORED TO HAVE BEEN CHOSEN, WHICH IS WHY HE WAS HERE THIS EVENING. UM, I HAD A LOT OF GOOD APPLICANTS FROM DISTRICT FOUR, AND IT WAS A VERY TOUGH DECISION FOR ME. I INTER, INTER, UH, EN ENDED UP INTERVIEWING FOUR PEOPLE AND I CHOSE MR. INGER BECAUSE, UH, NOT ONLY WAS HE ENTHUSIASTIC TO SERVE HIS COMMUNITY, UM, BUT HE FELT LIKE HE COULD BE OBJECTIVE AND FAIR ON REALLY TOUGH ISSUES. AND NOT ONLY REPRESENTATIVE OF DISTRICT FOUR, BUT FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. SO I THANK MR. HUNSINGER FOR, UH, STEPPING UP AND BEING A PART OF THIS VERY IMPORTANT COMMITTEE. AND I'M SORRY WE DID NOT GET TO HIM WHILE HE WAS IN ATTENDANCE, BUT I DO APPRECIATE HIS PRESENCE HERE THIS EVENING. NO, HE, HE HUNG IN THERE. HE HUNG IN THERE. OKAY. SO APPEARED TODAY, DISTRICT. SO WE DO HAVE, UM, THESE TWO APPOINTMENTS, I BELIEVE THAT WILL COMPLETE OUR COMMITTEE. YES, SIR. AND SO I WOULD ENTER, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UM, AND, UH, AND A SECOND MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. MOTION TO SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ITEM EIGHT A. UH, FOR THESE TWO APPOINTMENTS OF DR. MORENO AND MR. HUNSINGER, UH, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? OKAY, WE'LL GO BACK TO NOW. [b. Consider an ordinance approving Change Order No. 12 between Baytown Area Water Authority and Pepper Lawson Waterworks, LLC., for the BAWA 6 MGD Surface Water Treatment Plant Project.] FOUR B, EXCUSE ME. FOUR B CONSIDERED ORDINANCE APPROVING CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 12. UM, BETWEEN BAYTOWN AREA WATER AUTHORITY AND PEPPER LAWSON WATERWORKS, LLC FOR THE BA SIX MGD SURFACE WATER TREATMENT PLANT FOR THE PROJECT. GOOD EVENING. I'LL MAKE THIS VERY BRIEF. UH, THIS IS CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 12. THIS WAS CONSIDERED BY THE BAYTOWN AREA WATER AUTHORITY YESTERDAY AND WAS APPROVED. THIS IS A EQUIPMENT CHANGE OUT ITEM THREE SMALL COMPONENTS THAT MAKE UP FOR $34,050 AND 84 CENTS. SO JUST KEEP IT AT THAT. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, BE HAPPY TO ANSWER. OKAY, WE APPROVE ITEM FOUR B SECOND, AND WE HAVE MOTION SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ITEM FOUR B IS PRESENTED, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED. ITEM FOUR C, CONSIDER ORDINANCE [c. Consider an ordinance authorizing a temporary use development agreement with the San Jacinto Methodist Hospital for use of a property located along West Baker road, east of the old Kroger Shopping Center and legally known as Tract 17E (7.4893 acres), Abstract 840, H. Whiting, Baytown, Harris County, Texas.] AUTHORIZED A TEMPORARY USE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH SANDINO METHODIST HOSPITAL FOR USE OF PROPERTY LOCATED ALONG WEST BAKER ROAD, EAST OF OLD KROGER SHOPPING CENTER AND LEGALLY KNOWN AS TRACK 17 E AND ABSTRACT EIGHT 40 H WHITING, BAYTOWN, TEXAS. MR. DIETRICH, MR. MAYOR, UH, COUNSEL, UH, STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, DILIGENTLY WORKING WITH, UH, CEN, UH, METHODIST HOSPITAL OVER THE LAST LITTLE WHILE. UM, THEY HAVE HAD TO USE THIS LOCATION, WHICH IS A, UH, ACROSS FROM THE HOSPITAL, UM, NORTH OF WEST BAKER. AND THEY'RE USING IT AS A, AN OFFICE SPACE, TEMPORARY LAY DOWN YARD, AND IN ITS ZONE, GENERAL COMMERCIAL. SO IN DOING SO IN BEING A GOOD PARTNER, UM, BOTH WITH, UH, THE HOSPITAL AND WITH THE CITY, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY WERE KIND OF BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE. AND SO WE, WE DEVISED THIS TEMPORARY USE AGREEMENT, UM, AND, UH, INCLUDED SOME THINGS THAT WE KNEW THAT WE'RE, UH, PROBLEMATIC OVER THERE FROM, FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT. UM, PART OF ONE OF THESE, UH, CONDITIONS OF THE TEMPORARY USE AGREEMENT IS, UH, A HAWK BEACON, WHICH IS A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING THAT'S GONNA BE IN INSTALLED OVER THERE, WHICH, UH, THE HOSPITAL AGREED UPON. UM, THEY DID SOME, UH, PLANTINGS FOR CONSISTENCY IN AESTHETICS OVER, UH, AT THE PARTICULAR PROPERTY. UM, THEY HAVE ALSO AGREED TO BRING THE, THE PROPERTY BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL NATURAL USE OR NATURAL STATE. UM, AND THEY'VE LIMITED CERTAIN TYPES OF USES FOR CONTAINERS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. AND, UH, AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME, UH, WE WOULD, UH, UH, CONSIDER OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON THIS PARTICULAR USE, UH, AGREEMENT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE THIS ONE ITEM CENTER, THIS ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, FOR APPROVAL FOR C, MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND MOTION TO SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? ALRIGHT. UH, FIVE A REPORTS [a. Receive the City of Baytown's Quarterly Financial and Investment Reports for the Quarter Ending September 30, 2020.] RECEIVE THE CITY OF BAYTOWN QUARTERLY FINANCIAL INVESTMENT REPORTS FOR THE QUARTER ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2020. [02:20:02] THANK YOU, MR. RAM. I'LL KEEP THIS PRE FULL. SO AWESOME. UM, , UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY, I'M GOING TO EAT MY WORDS TONIGHT. WHEN WE CONSIDERED OUR SECOND QUARTER MONITORING, I SUGGESTED TO YOU THAT THE ROBUSTNESS OF OUR SALES TAX WOULD NOT CONTINUE TILL THE END OF THE YEAR. I WAS TOOK COMPLETELY WRONG BECAUSE THEY DID SO WELL DONE TO US. UM, WE ARE NOT ALONE. HOWEVER, THERE ARE OTHER CITIES WHO HAVE NOT BEEN QUITE SO FORTUNATE AS THE CITY OF BAYTOWN. NOW THERE'S VERY GOOD NEWS FOR US. WE ENDED THE YEAR SLIGHTLY UP ON OUR SALES TAX ON THE PREVIOUS YEAR. UM, THERE GIVES YOU THE COMPARISONS OVERALL, UH, ON THE GENERAL FUND. WE'RE SLIGHTLY UP THAT WILL ADD TO OUR BALANCES AT YEAR END, WHICH WILL HELP US GOING INTO NEXT YEAR. THE AQUATICS FUND WE'VE DISCUSSED IN DETAIL BEFORE. WE KNEW THAT WE WOULD BE OVERSPENT ON THAT FUND AND WE MADE THE ARRANGEMENTS WHEN WE, UH, AGREED THE BUDGET, UH, GOING INTO NEXT YEAR TO FUND THAT, THAT WILL NOT BE A BURDEN ON THE GENERAL FUND GOING FORWARD, AGAIN, ON THE HOTEL MOTEL TAX YET AGAIN, UH, REMARKABLE IN MANY RESPECTS, BUT I THINK, UH, AIDED, UH, BY THE UNFORTUNATE CONSEQUENCES OF THE HURRICANE, UH, EAST, UH, OF, UH, BAYTOWN, UH, WHERE WE HAD MORE GUESTS THAN WE WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE HAD. UM, ON THE WATER, SEWER AND SANITATION FUNDS. AGAIN, THE NEWS IS GOOD REVENUES REMAINED ROBUST, UH, EXPENDITURES, UH, KEPT WITHIN, UH, WITHIN BUDGET AND WE'RE SLIGHTLY UP AT THE END OF THE YEAR IN BOTH. AND ALL THREE OF THOSE FUNDS GIVES YOU A SENSE OVERALL, NOT BORE YOU WITH IT. ON THE INVESTMENT SIDE, AGAIN, WE HAVE, AS I, AS I TOLD YOU BEFORE, WE REMAIN AT OR JUST SLIGHTLY AHEAD OF THE MARKET. UH, IT'S, UH, THE YIELDS ARE FAIRLY LOW GENERALLY THIS YEAR, AS YOU CAN SEE, BUT, UH, BUT WE HAVE MAINTAINED, UH, OUR GROUND IN THAT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SIR. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, SO, UM, WE HAVE ALSO [b. Receive an update concerning the pricing of the General Obligation Refunding Bonds, Series 2020, and the pricing of the Combined Tax and Revenue Certificates of Obligation Series 2020.] ITEM FIVE B RECEIVE AN UPDATE CONCERNING THE PRICING OF THE GENERAL OBLIGATION REFUNDING BOND SERIES 2020 AND THE PRICING OF THE COMBINED TAX AND REVENUE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION SERIES 2020. INDEED, MR. MAYOR, WE SUED THE BONDS, UH, LAST WEEK, LAST THURSDAY. IN FACT, UH, THE CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATIONS, WE WERE ABLE TO SELL AN INTERSTATE OF 2.2%, WHICH IS PARTICULARLY GOOD, AND WE'LL KEEP OUR DEBT COSTS DOWN GOING FORWARD. ON THE REFUNDING OF THE 16 POINT A HALF MILLION OR SO OF GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS, WE ACHIEVED AN INTEREST RATE OF 1.1% AND THAT SAVES US JUST A SHE UNDER 1.7 MILLION ON THE LIFETIME OF THE BONDS. THAT WAS A VERY GOOD DEAL FOR US. GREAT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SIR. GOOD WORK. THANK YOU, SIR. GOOD NEWS. OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, DISCUSSION [a. Discuss a proposed residential development west of John Martin Road and south of Wallisville Road.] SIX A DISCUSS AND PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WEST OF JOHN MARTIN ROAD AND SOUTH OF VILLE ROAD. MR. WILLY. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. UM, LEMME SEE IF I CAN GET THIS PRESENTATION. HOLD UP HERE REAL QUICK ACTUALLY. HEY, NATHAN, CAN YOU HELP ME PULL THE, YOUR PRESENTATION REAL QUICK? WELL, NATHAN HELPS ME OUT. UM, SO A PROPOSAL HAS COME FORTH TO THE CITY REGARDING THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WEST OF JOHN MARTIN ROAD IN SOUTH OF VILLE ROAD. UH, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY LOCATED IN THE CITY'S ETJ AND THE DEVELOPER IS SEEKING TO BE ANNEXED INTO LAKE MUD. UH, LAKE MUD HAS APPROVED THIS ANNEXATION, BUT CONSENT TO THE ANNEXATION BY CITY COUNCIL IS ALSO REQUIRED FOR BEFORE MOVING FORWARD WITH DEVELOPING THE TERMS OF THE CONSENT, THE UTILITY AGREEMENT, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. UH, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO HAVE DEVELOPER PRESENT ITS PROJECT AND RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL. UH, COUNSEL WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS ITS THOUGHTS ON THIS PROJECT WHERE THEY BELIEVE THIS IS, UH, ACCEPTABLE FOR AN OUT OF CITY MUD, OR IF THEY WOULD PREFER, UH, AN INSIDE THE CITY HID, UH, AND SPECIFICALLY WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHANGED IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO GARNER SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT. UM, JUST KIND OF A, A QUICK REFRESH, UH, COUNSEL HAS HEARD FROM THIS DEVELOPER IN THE PAST, UH, REGARDING THIS PROJECT. THEY DID REQUEST TO AMEND THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, UH, TO REMOVE A NORTH SOUTH COLLECTOR ROAD IN THIS AREA. UH, IT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL AND IT WAS ACTUALLY LEFT PENDING BY COUNCIL AT THAT MEETING. UM, AND I WILL SAY THAT THE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ITEM, UH, HAS AND CONTINUES TO BE THAT [02:25:01] THIS BE INSIDE CITY LIMITS AS A PIT. UM, AND WITH THAT, I WILL WELCOME UP, I BELIEVE MICHAEL BACON, UH, WITH LAKE MUD. DO I JUST, UH, DO I JUST CLICK ON THIS THING TO DIG IT TO GO FORWARD? NO WORRIES. IT DOESN'T NEED TO GO FORWARD. THERE'S NOT MUCH TO IT . UM, THANK YOU. UM, YOU CAN SEE MY OFFICE PUT A, A GREAT GRAPHIC ON THIS OPENING SLIDE. UM, I'M NOT ACTUALLY HERE TO DISCUSS ANYTHING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE TO DEAL WITH, UH, ON THE DEVELOPER FOR THIS PROJECT. UH, I'M HERE TO DISCUSS THE ACTUAL ANNEXATION CONSENT PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE CITY OF BAYTOWN. AND SO I, I'M FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE, UH, SOMETHING FRESH FOR YOU. UH, I'M A, I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR LAKE MUD. THIS IS ALL I DO IS REPRESENT MUNICIPALITIES, UH, JUST LIKE THE CITY. I'M USED TO THESE LONG MEETINGS. I APOLOGIZE THAT YOU'RE SITTING HERE AS LATE AS I HAVE, UH, THREE OTHER NIGHTS THIS WEEK AS WELL. UM, THAT SAID, I, I WOULD APPRECIATE, UH, HEARING, HEARING OUT THIS PROCESS, I'D LIKE TO DISENTANGLE SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED. UH, THE CITY CONSENT, UH, TO A MUD ANNEXATION THAT IS WITHIN YOUR ETJ HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS BEING APPLIED TO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ABOUT TO BE BUILT. IT IS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE, UH, TANDEM PROCESS. OKAY. UH, THAT, THAT PROCESS IS WHAT THE SLIDES ARE ABOUT. BUT, BUT I DO HAVE SOME THINGS THAT I DO WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT JUST VERY BRIEFLY. UM, I'M ACTUALLY HERE. I EXPECTED TO BE AT THE WORKSHOP EARLIER AND, AND THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. AND, AND SO, UH, WE, WE'VE WAITED, I HAVE THE BOARD PRESIDENT KATHY WITKOWSKI FOR LAKE MUD HERE JUST AS ANOTHER, UH, RESIDENT WHO'S LIVED HERE FOR, UH, DECADES. UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER, UM, THIS PROCESS IS ACTUALLY, WHAT I'M HERE TO DO IS REQUEST, UH, THE SCHEDULING OF A VOTE FOR THE CITY'S CONSENT TO THE ANNEXATION APPLICATION MADE TO THE CITY. THAT'S IT. YOU'LL STILL BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER AS TO ANY STANDARDS OR REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU HAVE UNDER YOUR ETJ POWERS WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT. UM, UH, MY, MY HOPE TONIGHT WAS TO PRESENT A, A SHORT INFORMATIONAL SESSION. AND SO IN THAT REGARD, UH, THIS IS AN ANNEXATION TIMELINE. THIS IS TEXAS WATER CODE MUDS ARE, ARE POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. UH, THEY'RE SEPARATE. YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS. UH, WE BUY ALL OF OUR WATER FROM BAWA. UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT ACTUALLY, UH, IS, IS CLOSEST, UH, TO, OR RIGHT, IT'S RIGHT ON THE WEST SIDE OF JOHN MARTIN. IT IS GONNA BE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL CITY OF BAYTOWN HAS ALREADY ANNEXED THE FRONTAGE PROPERTY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF I 10, WHICH IS THE SOUTHERNMOST PART OF THIS TRACT. THIS IS THE TRACT NORTH OF THAT. AND THE ONLY INTEREST THAT LAKE MUD HAS IN THIS IS NOT A FINANCIAL WINDFALL AT ALL. THE, THE BOARD HAS KIND OF BENDING OVER BACKWARDS TO, TO DO THIS BECAUSE THEY WANT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. THERE HAS BEEN, UH, PRESENTATIONS MADE IN THE PAST AND, AND PURCHASERS THAT HAVE COME IN, UH, PROPOSING A TRUCK STOP RIGHT THERE. UH, I KNOW CITY OF BAYTOWN, UH, WOULD NEVER ALLOW THAT EITHER. BUT, BUT WE HAVE AN INTEREST IN THIS. THE, THE COST TO THE DEVELOPER OF CONNECTING THE WATER AND SEWER SERVICE IS WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT. LAKE MUD IS RIGHT THERE. WE BUY ALL OF OUR WATER FROM BUA. IF LAKE MUD SERVES THIS PROPERTY, IT WILL BE, UH, NO COST TO THE CITY OF BAYTOWN TO GET ANOTHER, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, ON JOHN MARTIN. UH, LAKE MUD HANDLES ALL THE OPERATIONAL COSTS. WE BALANCE THE BUDGET ON, UH, ON THE DEVELOPMENT COSTS, AND THEN WE WILL BE REQUESTING AN INCREASE TO OUR BAWA CONTRACT. WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THE ALTERNATIVE CAPACITY REQUEST. THAT WAS MY LAST ENGAGEMENT WITH THE CITY ACTUALLY, WAS WHEN WE REQUESTED ADDITIONAL WATER SEVERAL YEARS AGO. AND YOU GUYS WERE GOING THROUGH AN A CR. AND SO WE WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS AS WELL AND GOT RERATED. WE DIDN'T HAVE TO BUY MORE WATER. THIS WILL BE EXTRA WATER REVENUE TO THE CITY WITH ZERO COST. SO WE THINK THAT IS A BENEFIT TO THE CITY OF BAYTOWN. BUT FRANKLY, THAT'S NOT THE [02:30:01] MOTIVATION OF, OF, OF LAKE MUD MOTIVATION OF LAKE MUD IS TO MAINTAIN THAT CONSISTENT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. THE THE INFORMATIONAL PART THAT I WANTED TO PRESENT TO YOU AS PART OF MY REQUEST TO GET THIS ON AN ACTUAL VOTING, UH, AGENDA BALLOT, IS THE ANNEXATION TIMELINE HERE. SO THE, THE PROCESS UNDER, UH, THE WATER CODE, UH, INVOLVES A PETITION FROM A LANDOWNER TO BE ANNEXED, UH, INTO A WATER DISTRICT, A MUD MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT. THERE ARE DIFFERENT KINDS. THEY ALL FALL UNDER CHAPTER 49 TO THE WATER CODE MUDS ARE UNDER 40, UH, 54. UH, THE PROCESS FOR THAT, UH, WE, WE MUST REQUEST THE CONSENT OF THE CITY, UH, IF WE'RE IN YOUR ETJ. UM, THERE IS A TIMELINE FOR THIS. AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE UP HERE IS THERE, THERE'S A 90 DAY DEADLINE. W WE DON'T INTEND TO, UH, ENFORCE ANYTHING ON THAT AT ALL. WE WANNA WORK WITH YOU GUYS ON THIS. UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE, THE CONSENT FROM THE CITY IS SUPPOSED TO COME WITHIN 90 DAYS. I REPRESENT MUNICIPALITIES. THAT'S ALL I DO. I KNOW THESE, THESE TIMELINES ARE MORE ABOUT JOINT AGREEMENTS, BUT A NON-ANSWER WITH THAT TIME IS THE SAME AS, AS A A NO ANSWER. AND AT THAT TIME, UH, SINCE WE DO HAVE A PETITION TO LAKE MUD AND, UH, LAKE MUD HAS ALREADY PASSED AN ORDER, ANNEXING THE PROPERTY SUBJECT TO CERTAIN CONDITIONS, UH, ONE OF WHICH IS CITY OF BAY TOWN'S CONSENT. UH, FROM, FROM THAT POINT, FROM A NO ANSWER OR A NON-ANSWER, UH, IT JUST GOES TO THE TCEQ, TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY. AND THEN, UH, THE CITY IS PROVIDED AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE PROVISIONS FOR WATER AND SEWER SERVICE AND SET ASIDE THE FUNDS TO SERVE, UH, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. AND IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, THEN EVENTUALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE, THE TCEQ APPROVES THE ANNEXATION. SO, UH, IT IS A CONSENT REQUEST BECAUSE THAT SPEEDS ALONG THE PROCESS. IF THE CITY DOESN'T, UH, APPROVE THIS, UH, OR, OR TIES IT INTO OTHER DEVELOPMENT CONSIDERATIONS, UM, IT JUST MAKES IT GO LONGER AND IT'S SEVEN MONTHS INSTEAD OF ONE MONTH. AS FAR AS THE CONSIDERATION, UM, HERE, HERE ARE SOME OF THE PROVISIONS, AND THIS IS KIND OF ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT I SAID. THIS PRESENTATION IS ONLY ABOUT THE ANNEXATION TIMELINE. UM, I APOLOGIZE, THIS IS NOT THE, THE AGENDA ITEM I WANTED TO BE UP HERE ON. AND SOME OF THAT CONFUSION WAS BECAUSE THE DEVELOPERS ARE EAGER TO DO THIS. I DO NOT REPRESENT ANY DEVELOPERS IN MY LINE OF WORK. I DO NOT REPRESENT ANY DEVELOPERS. THE ONLY TYPES OF DISTRICTS THAT I REPRESENT ARE RESIDENT BOARDS ON WATER DISTRICTS. AND, UH, YEAH, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF KATHY HAS ANYTHING TO SAY ON THAT. AS, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER HERE, UH, CHARLES COX IS HERE, UH, DEVELOPER, UH, REPRESENTATIVE PAUL GROMAN IS HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. UH, AND I, AND I'D LIKE TO TRY TO ADDRESS THEM NOW, UH, IN THE HOPES OF GETTING AN AGENDA ITEM TO BE CONSIDERED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. JUST ON THE CONSENT ITEM ONLY. YOU CAN MESS WITH THOSE GUYS AS MUCH AS YOU WANT ON YOUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. I HAVE, I HAVE NO DOG IN THAT FIGHT, BUT I'M TRYING TO SAVE THE COST TO LAKE MUD. AND I UNDERSTAND, I DO APPRECIATE ALL YOUR WORDS. UM, I WILL TELL YOU, SO MY UNDERSTANDING AND MAYBE LEGAL CAN HELP ME HERE. SO I'M, I'M PRETTY SURE, COUNSEL, WE WERE EXPECTING TO HEAR SOMETHING ABOUT PROPERTY AND STANDARDS AND ELEVATION OF STANDARDS. UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR JOB AS AN ATTORNEY, BUT, UM, UM, I'VE, I'VE DONE A FEW MUDS MYSELF AND I THINK WE KNOW THE PROCESS. MM-HMM . SO, WELL, IT'S, IT IS BEEN ABOUT FOUR YEARS SINCE YOU'VE HEARD A I'VE OTHERS, YES. YOU'RE NOT THE FIRST MUD THAT WANTS TO BUILD SOMETHING NEAR BAYTOWN. SO I WOULD SAY, KAREN, WHAT, WHAT EXACT, I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. WE HAVE ONE ITEM ABOUT TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE EXPECTATION OF COUNCIL ABOUT, UH, A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. BUT ALL I HEARD ABOUT TONIGHT IS THE PROCESS OF, UM, WATER CODE AND ANNEX, UH, ANNEXATION OF, OF THAT. SO I'M, I'M CONFUSED HERE. PLEASE HELP ME. SO THAT IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT. I MEAN, SO THE, THAT IS PART OF IT, SO YOU CAN JUST CERTAINLY HEAR THAT. AND SO NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER MUD, JUST LIKE WE'VE DONE IN, IN CHAMBERS COUNTY AND ALL THAT. TYPICALLY OUR MUDS WE'VE ENTERED INTO, UM, AN AB ADVANCE AGREEMENT WHERE THEY HOLD THEIR INANCE UNTIL WE GET EVERYTHING FIGURED OUT AND WE TAKE, BRING IT ALL AT ONCE IS WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST. YEAH, I THINK I'D RATHER DO THAT. [02:35:01] I DON'T, THERE'S, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE DECISION, THERE'S NOT EVEN A DECISION WE CAN MAKE TONIGHT. THAT'S CORRECT. NO, NO. THERE'S NOTHING BEFORE THE BOARD TONIGHT. SO I WOULD JUST SAY I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT, UM, ANYBODY HERE IS GONNA TELL US, UNLESS WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT YOU WANNA BUILD AND, AND THE ELEVATED STANDARDS THAT WE'RE EXPECTING. WELL, MY REQUEST IS ACTUALLY FOR AN AGENDA ITEM TO CONSIDER THE ANNEXATION, ONLY THE ANNEXATION CONSENT ONLY, WHICH WILL STILL ALLOW YOU TO, TO DISCUSS ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT MATTERS. AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS SOME OF THEM TONIGHT, UH, THOSE GUYS ARE HERE. OKAY. AND IT IS, UH, I APOLOGIZE, SIR. IT IS NOT BACKWARDS AND IT WILL BE APPROVED BY THE TCUQ REGARDLESS OF CITY OF BAY TOWN'S APPROVAL. SO, OKAY, SIR, I'M, I'M THINKING, I'M, I, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS ATTORNEY, I MEAN, CAN WE GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE PROCESS? THAT'S NOT AN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR POLICY. IT'S, IT'S NOT, I'M SORRY, ONE MORE TIME. SAY AGAIN, RICK. SAY AGAIN. IT'S NOT AN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR POLICY. YOU CAN'T MAKE A DECISION ON THE CONSENT OF A MATTER OR PIT UNTIL YOU MAKE A DETERMINATION ON THE QUALITY OR STANDARDS OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED. WELL, SIR, THIS IS NOT A NEW MUD. IT, IT, IT COULD BE AN OLD MUD, A NEW MUD. IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. YEAH, I BELIEVE IT, IT IS A MATERIAL DIFFERENCE. SO, AND IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENCE. LEMME LET, I'M NOT SURE. SAY HOLD ON ONE SEC, TOM. SO LET ME, LET ME DO THIS, SIR. DOES, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS ATTORNEY? I DON'T. AND WE DON'T. THANK YOU, SIR. YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT NOW. THANK YOU, MS. THANK YOU MS. CITY ATTORNEY. YES. CAN YOU PROVIDE COUNSEL DIRECTION ON WHAT WE CAN TAKE, WHAT WE CAN DISCUSS TONIGHT? BECAUSE HE, HE CAME AND HE TOLD US THE PROCESS AND THAT, THAT I UNDERSTAND, BUT WE, WE WERE EXPECTING TO HEAR ABOUT MM-HMM . UH, THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF. BUT WE HAVE GENTLEMEN HERE THAT, THAT CERTAINLY WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS BEFORE. THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED TO HEAR. SO, SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. RIGHT. AND THAT'S, THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED THIS EVENING AS WELL. CAN IT? THAT'S ON THE AGENDA, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO ASK RIGHT. YOU DON'T ASK FOR A SEPARATE MEETING. THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WAS POSTED. OKAY. SO WHAT WAS POSTED TONIGHT IS TO DISCUSS THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, A PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, PART OF THAT PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT'S, UH, WE'VE RECEIVED A PETITION FOR BEING ANNEXED INTO A MUD. RIGHT. THAT'S ALL PART OF IT. SO THAT IS APPROPRIATE CONVERSATION FOR US TONIGHT AS WELL. OKAY. SO ARE Y'ALL READY TO TALK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT? YES, SIR. YOU READY TO TALK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT? WHAT WAS YOUR INTENT? AIN'T IT, AIN'T THEIR INTENT. IT'S TONIGHT. I'M ALL NIGHT. AIN'T WORRIED ABOUT IT. YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T LET US KNOW. I, I THINK SIR, BECAUSE OUR AGENDA ITEMS SAID HOLD ON. THAT, HOLD ON, HOLD ON, MA'AM. HOLD ON. IT'S OKAY. YES, SIR. PAUL GROMAN 42 0 1 WEST BROADWAY, MARYLAND, TEXAS. UM, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY STAFF, UH, FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND WE'VE PROPOSED 400, 1 50 FOOT LOTS, WHICH MEETS YOUR CRITERIA. UM, WE, UM, WE'LL HAVE AT LEAST A TWO BUILDER PROGRAM. UH, WE'D WORKED WITH THE CITY ON. WE'VE LOOKED AT A VARIETY OF SCENARIOS, MANY OF WHICH DIDN'T WORK. AND THE LAKE MUD SCENARIO SEEMS TO WORK THE BEST FOR US. WE ACTUALLY THOUGHT IT WELL COULD WORK BEST FOR THE CITY AS WELL. UH, 'CAUSE YOU'D PROVIDE LESSER SERVICE AND STILL GET A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF GROWTH AND SALES TAX OUT OF IT. UM, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO BUILD A NICE COMMUNITY THAT WOULD BE, UH, WELL, AMENITIZED AND, AND A PLACE PLACE AND THAT, AND, SORRY, THAT ALL SOUNDS GREAT. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR PRESENTATION OF THAT SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A DECISION ON THE APPROVAL OR NOT. WHAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, WE DID NOT BRING A PRESENTATION FOR TONIGHT. WE, WE WERE THINKING THE FIRST STEP WAS THE CONSENT OF ANNEXATION. AND AGAIN, WE'VE ALREADY WORKED WITH THE STAFF SOMEWHAT ON, ON GETTING, UM, ON, ON DOING A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. WE HAVEN'T COME TO TERMS YET, BUT WE FELT LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE KIND OF JUST SPINNING AROUND. IF WE GET CONSENT INTO THE MUD, THEN, THEN WE WOULD BE SIMPLER ON HOW TO DO IT IF WE'RE NOT, BUT WE CAN'T CONSENT IN. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BUILD. OUR, OUR PROCESS IS TO GIVE CONSENT BASED ON THE PRESENTATION AND THE FACTS THAT WE HEAR AND WHETHER WE FEEL THAT IT'S A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT THAT WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT GIVING OUR CONSENT ON. OKAY. WELL THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION ITEM ANYWAY. YES. THIS IS A DISCUSSION BILL SO THEY CAN PRESENT TO US. WE'D BE HAPPY TO COME BACK. AND IF, IF YOU COULD, I I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO HEAR YOU. WE, WE'VE TALKED FOR QUITE A WHILE. WELL, WE DIDN'T COME PREPARED TO DO THAT. I MEAN, I, I DON'T WANNA GIVE YOU, YOU KNOW, I CAN SIT UP HERE AND TELL YOU THINGS. YEAH. IT'S REAL DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO ENVISION WITHOUT, WITHOUT VISUALS. YES, SIR. BUT, AND WE DIDN'T BRING THOSE, WHAT YOU BROUGHT WAS AN ATTORNEY TO TRY TO TELL US A PROCESS THAT WE CAN EITHER TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT, IS WHAT I'VE HEARD. KIND OF, SORT OF, AND THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS HERE IN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN. OKAY. SO I WOULD, I WOULD RESPECT, UH, I WOULD RESPECT, IF YOU'RE NOT PREPARED TONIGHT FOR, FOR A PRESENTATION OF WHAT YOU WANNA BUILD, AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S A HIGH QUALITY, UH, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. IT IS, IT IT, GREAT. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT. THE PROBLEM IS OUR NEXT MEETING [02:40:01] IS NOVEMBER 17TH. I THINK, UH, THE TIMELINE I SAW WAS IT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY NO NOVEMBER 18TH. IS THAT CORRECT? I, I, I DON'T KNOW THE TIMELINE. WELL, THAT'S WHAT YOUR ATTORNEY JUST SHOWED. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE ATTORNEY FROM LAKE MUD, DO THEY REPRESENT YOU? DOES THAT ATTORNEY REPRESENT YOU? NO, HE DOES NOT REPRESENT US. OKAY. HE REPRESENTS THE MUD. OKAY. MAYBE YOU WANNA CONSIDER NOT MUD. MAYBE PI WOULD MAYBE YOUR BEST ROUTE, BUT THAT'S YOUR CHOICE. OKAY. WE'VE TRIED THE OTHER ROUTES AND WE COULDN'T MAKE THEM WORK, BUT, BUT IF, IF WE COULD GET BACK ON THE AGENDA OF THE 17TH, WE'D BE GLAD TO MAKE YOU A GOOD PRESENTATION. I TELL YOU WHAT, WHAT I WOULD, WHAT I WOULD EXPECT IS SOMEBODY FROM STAFF REACH OUT TO YOU AND EXPLAIN HOW A PIT COULD WORK FOR YOU OR NOT, AND THEN YOU MAKE A DECISION MOVING FORWARD FROM THAT. WE LOOKED AT THE PIT AND IT WOULDN'T WORK UNDER, UNDER THOSE PARAMETERS. YES, SIR. AND I, I RESPECT YOU, I RESPECT THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME, ALL Y'ALL THAT, THAT, THAT CAME HERE. UM, WE DO HAVE EXPECTATIONS IN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN FOR YOU WANNA BUILD JUST OUTSIDE THE CITY. THERE IS IMPACT TO OUR CITIZENS. SURE. UH, THERE'S COUNTY ROADS THAT, THAT, THAT ARE GONNA BE IMPACTED. THEY MAY BE CITY ROADS IN THE FUTURE. AND SO THAT IS A, A VERY IMPORTANT, UM, UH, ASPECT THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER WHEN WE APPROVE, UH, CONSENT OF THIS MU UH, OF YES SIR. ANNEXATION INTO THE MUD. UM, I WILL SAY, I WOULD, I DON'T APPRECIATE THE ATTORNEY COMING HERE AND TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO US, UH, A PROCESS. AND IT'S KIND OF A TAKER TO LEAVE IT. UM, I WOULD SAY THAT'S DISRESPECTFUL AND I DON'T APPRECIATE IT. SO IF YOU WANNA CONVEY THAT, ALTHOUGH HE DON'T REPRESENT YOU, IF YOU WANNA CONVEY THAT IN ANY OF YOUR DEALINGS WITH THEM. SO WITH THAT, I THINK WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON. CAN I, I HAVE ONE QUESTION. YES, SIR. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. I JUST CURIOUS, HAVE Y'ALL PAID ANY FEES? HAS THE, THE OWNER OR THE DEVELOPER HAS, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY FEES PAID TO THAT, THAT LAKE MUD? YES, SIR. THERE'S ALWAYS, THERE'S ALWAYS A FEE PAID UP FOR THEY, THEY DO THEIR CONSIDERATION BOTH ENGINEERING AND LEGAL. AND YES, WE HAVE, UH, MR. COX PAID A FEE. I JUST, I WANNA MAKE THIS COMMENT, MAYOR, AND, AND BASED ON THE COMMENTS I'VE HEARD FROM YOU AND, AND, AND I DON'T THINK YOU MADE THIS STATEMENT, BUT I'VE, I'VE HEARD FROM A, APPARENTLY A CONSULTANT OR SOMEONE THAT'S INVOLVED AND THEY SAID THEY WERE MOVING FORWARD BASED ON THE ASSURANCES GIVEN BY THE MAYOR. AND IIII DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ACCURATE STATEMENT. NO, IT'S NOT. WE HAVE THERE IN THE MEETING. I JUST WANT TO REMIND THEM THAT I TOLD SAME. WE HAVE A COUNCIL MANAGER FORM GOVERNMENT AND IT TAKES FOUR OF US. SO PLEASE DO NOT ACT ON ANYTHING FINANCIALLY UNTIL THERE'S A FORMAL PRESENTATION MADE. I HAVEN'T SEEN IT FOR WHOLE BEFORE THIS. I, I UNDERSTAND. AND, AND I DON'T THINK YOU MADE THAT STATEMENT, BUT I KNOW I DIDN'T. I WAS THERE WITH RICK. A COUPLE OF US HAVE, HAVE, UH, BEEN GIVEN, BEEN GIVEN THAT STATEMENT . YEAH, I WAS THERE WITH RICK AND UH, AND THE STATEMENT WAS, YOU NEVER WOULD I SAY I CAN'T DO THAT. I DON'T HAVE APPROVAL. RIGHT. SO, UH, I THINK WE CONTINUE TO BE CONSISTENT. COUNSEL APPROVED A POLICY ABOUT PIT. UM, HOPEFULLY THAT'S THE ROUTE YOU TAKE. I THINK, I THINK THAT IS A GOOD ROUTE FOR YOU. BUT IF THAT'S NOT, IF THAT'S THE ROUTE YOU CHOOSE, THEN SO BE IT. UM, THEN IF COUNSEL DECIDES THAT WE WOULD NOT APPROVE THE CONSENT FOR THIS MUD TO BE INCLUDED, THEN IT CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESSES THE ATTORNEY JUST EXPRESSED AND THEN T-C-T-C-E-Q CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO AT THAT POINT. YES MA'AM. THAT IS THE CORRECT PROCESS. SO I WILL REACH OUT AND SEE IF THEY WILL HOLD IT IN ADVANCE FOR, FOR THAT. AGAIN, THAT IS THE CORRECT PROCESS. SO WE WILL REACH OUT TO SEE IF THE, THE MUD WOULD BE AGREEABLE TO HOLDING THE, UH, PETITION IN ADVANCE UNTIL WE CAN WORK OUT THE DEVELOPMENT ISSUES. OKAY. SO YEAH, SO I'M NOT SURE WHY THERE'S A CONFUSION OF IT, BUT IT WAS, UH, HOW, HOW DID LAKE MUD GET, HOW DID LAKE MUD ATTORNEY GET INVOLVED IN YOUR PRESENTATION? WOULD BE MY QUESTION TO ONE OF THESE GENTLEMEN THAT'S SITTING IN THIS AUDIENCE. BECAUSE SOMEBODY MADE A DECISION FOR LAKE MUD ATTORNEY TO COME HERE, I WOULD ASSUME, RIGHT? A ACTUALLY WE ASKED FOR, WE ASKED FOR CONSIDERATION FOR THEIR ANNEXATION, WHICH WAS THE FIRST STEP THEN, THEN WE COME TO YOU FOR CONSENT AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THEY BECOME THE ADVOCATE 'CAUSE THEY'VE APPROVED OUR, OUR REQUEST. OKAY. BUT AGAIN, AS, AS MR. BACON SAID, HE DOES, HE REPRESENTS LAKE MUD. HE DOES NOT REPRESENT THE, THE LANDOWNER NOR THE DEVELOPER. OKAY, THANK Y'ALL. YEAH, WE, WE, WE CERTAINLY, LIKE I'VE TOLD Y'ALL BEFORE, I'VE TOLD Y'ALL THE, THE VERY FIRST TIME I MET Y'ALL, I, I LAID EVERYTHING OUT AS FAR AS EXPECTATIONS. SO I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T, THAT HASN'T CHANGED. AND I BELIEVE, YEAH, THE STATEMENT I'VE HEARD WASN'T CONGRUENT WITH THE PROCESS THAT I, I KNOW TO BE IN PLACE. I WOULD SAY THERE'S MANY STAFF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN IN ALL THE MEETINGS I'VE BEEN WITH THESE INDIVIDUALS JUST LET YOU KNOW WHAT, ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. HOPEFULLY SEE YOU SOON. YEAH. OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON. WE HAVE THE NEXT ITEM, SIX [b. Discuss a proposed residential development east of Crosby Cedar Bayou Road and south of Interstate 10 (I-10).] B, DISCUSS A PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT EAST OF CROSBY, CEDAR BAYOU, AND SOUTH OF INTERSTATE 10. THEN, UM, ONE OF THE REPRESENTATIVES PUT THE PRESENTATION IS ON ZOOM, SO RIGHT HERE. OKAY, THIS IS FOR THIS ONE HERE? YES. RYAN DAY. OKAY. SO RYAN DAY IS ONLINE? YES, SIR. OKAY. SO WITH THAT MR. DAY, WE'LL GET THEM ON. I'M, UH, I'M HOPE I'M EXPECTING TO SEE A RESIDENTIAL [02:45:01] DEVELOPMENT AND PLANS FOR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT. YOU HAVE HIGH EXPECTATIONS UNLESS THERE'S AN ATTORNEY, I DON'T KNOW. THERE'S THIS COAT AND TIE . OKAY. YOU ARE GONNA SEE THAT BECAUSE THAT IS OUR PROCESS. AWESOME. WE DID THAT LAST MEETING. MAYBE THEY SHOULD COME BACK IN AND GET TAKE AND YOU'VE SEEN THAT MANY TIMES BEFORE THAT THIS IS OUR PROCESS TO SEE WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT IS, LEARN ABOUT IT, WORK TOGETHER. UM, YEAH, WE ASKED THE DEVELOPER TO COME AND PRESENT AND THEY DIDN'T, SO, OKAY. I WILL NOT BE IN A BAD MOOD, BUT DON'T GET ME THERE . OKAY. UM, REAL QUICK, LITTLE HIGHLIGHT BEFORE I, UH, WELCOME UP THE DEVELOPER. SO WE DO HAVE A PROPOSAL THAT'S COME FORTH TO THE CITY REGARDING A MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT EAST OF CROSBY, CEDAR BAYOU ROAD, AND SOUTH OF INTERSTATE 10. THIS PROPERTY IS FORTUNATELY WITHIN CITY LIMITS AND THE DEVELOPER IS SEEKING APPROVAL FOR A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT FOR PROJECT FINANCING. AND THEN WE'LL BE, UH, SEEKING A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ZONING DESIGNATION FOR, UM, THE DEFINITION OF LAND USES AT THE SITE, UH, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE COMMERCIAL TOWN HOMES, BOTH ATTACHED AND DETACHED AND APARTMENTS. UH, THE DEVELOPER HAS SUBMITTED A FORMAL PIT PETITION BEFORE STARTING THE PID PROCESS AND DEVELOPING THE TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. STAFF WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE DEVELOPER PRESENT ITS PROJECT TO Y'ALL TONIGHT AND RECEIVE COMMENTS AND COUNSEL WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS, EXPRESS ITS THOUGHTS ON THE PROJECT AND WHAT SPECIFICALLY YOU'D LIKE TO CHANGE. DOES HE CHANGE IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, TO GARNER SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT. WITH THAT, I'M GONNA WELCOME UP. UM, COREY IS IS CO I WAS GONNA, IT IS. OKAY. UH, I NEED TO DO THE OTHER ONE AND THEN RYAN CAN COME ON. OKAY. I HAVE MORE OF A OVERVIEW IS A PDF OKAY. OKAY. THE ONE ALL THE LEFT. AND THERE IS, THERE IS. SO RYAN'S ONLINE THOUGH, RIGHT? YES, RYAN IS ONLINE. HE'LL, UH, OKAY. HE'LL JUMP IN HERE A MOMENT. UM, GOOD EVENING COUNSEL. YES. THE OTHER BOOKEND. I KNOW EXACTLY WHO YOU ARE. OKAY, GOOD, GOOD. UM, SORRY, I'M KIND OF SHORT, SO BEND IT DOWN HERE. UM, SO, UH, MY NAME'S COREY FERGUSON. UM, I'M WITH BAY 10. UH, WE ARE, UM, DEVELOPING THIS, UH, TRACK SOUTH OF I 10. UM, WE'RE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT, IT'S CALLED THE CROSSINGS AT BAYTOWN. LET'S SEE IF I CAN, IS IT A OKAY THERE? IT'S, SO, UH, OUR, OUR AGENDA IS BASICALLY TO PROVIDE YOU AN OVERALL, UH, PLAN OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, UM, AND SHOW YOU WHO THE PLAYERS ARE, WHICH, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT THE BUILDERS, WHICH IS, UH, MERITAGE. UH, WE'VE GOT HISTORY, HISTORY MAKER OUTTA DALLAS, UH, AND MCGRATH, UH, FOR THE MULTIFAMILY, OBVIOUSLY BAYTOWN, UH, WE'RE THE DEVELOPER AND WE'VE GOT CONSULTANTS OF, OF LANGAN, UH, MET AND, UH, KGA TO FOREST FOR OUR LANDSCAPE, UH, ARCHITECTURE. UM, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IN BAYTOWN AND WHAT WE WANNA PROVIDE IS A VISION, UH, NICHE, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY THAT WILL BASICALLY, WE'RE TRYING TO LINK EVERYTHING TOGETHER BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY AND TOWN HOMES, UM, AND A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USED INTO A CO COHESIVE DISTRICT THAT WILL ALLOW FOR COMMUNITY INTERACTION AND WALKABILITY. UM, SO BASICALLY REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU ARE, UH, WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO WHY, UH, TO, TO WALK OR BIKE OR, UH, WITH AND, AND HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THESE AMENITIES WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT. UM, UH, WHETHER YOU WANT TO GO TO A, YOU KNOW, A PLAYGROUND OR WALK TO THE RESTAURANT OR, UM, YOU KNOW, GO TO YOUR OFFICE OR A BANK OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS ALL WITHIN THIS COMMERCIAL AREAS. UM, AND BASICALLY THIS IS GONNA CONNECT REALLY KIND OF THE WESTERN SIDE OF BAYTOWN TO A PRETTY MUCH UNDEVELOPED AREA OF THE EASTERN SIDE, UH, FROM HUNT ROAD AND KIND OF ALLOW SOME MORE, UM, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL ACTIVITY TO, UH, TO COME TOGETHER. SO, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A KIND OF A SENSE OF COMMUNITY WITHIN IT. UM, A SENSE FOR NEIGHBORS CONNECT TO INTERACT. SO, UM, LET ME SHOW YOU KIND OF THE LAND TRACK SUMMARY HERE. UH, WE'VE GOT MERITAGE, UH, DOWN HERE ON THE SOUTHERN END WITH A, A VERY LARGE, YOU KNOW, 60 ACRE LAKE AND DETENTION POND, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, AS WELL AS DETACHED, UH, SINGLE FAMILY. UH, THE HISTORY MAKER HAS, UM, SOME ATTACHED TOWN HOMES THAT, UM, ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, THEY'VE GOT SOME BACK ALLEYWAYS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, SOME REALLY GOOD PRODUCT THERE THAT'LL BE PUTTING ROUGHLY ABOUT 184, UH, UNITS TOGETHER. AND THEN YOU HAVE MCGRATH THAT HAS, UH, ROUGHLY 350 UNITS OF MULTIFAMILY. NOW, ALL THESE PLAYERS ARE ALREADY DOING STUFF IN HOUSTON, IF NOT, YOU KNOW, REGIONALLY, YOU'VE GOT MERITAGE, [02:50:01] UM, YOU KNOW, UM, PRETTY MUCH ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES. UM, AND, UH, RYAN WILL SHOW YOU KIND OF WHERE THEY ARE, UH, IN THE RANKINGS OF THAT HISTORY MAKERS BASED OUT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DALLAS AREA. THEY'VE DONE EXTREMELY WELL AT WHAT THEY'RE DOING. OBVIOUSLY, THEY'RE BEEN ESTABLISHED IN 1949 AND, AND DOING GREAT WITH WHAT THEY DO. UM, AND THESE PRODUCTS ARE ACTUALLY SELLING IN WEST HOUSTON, UH, IN DIFFERENT AREAS AND OR, UH, UP IN, UP IN DALLAS. UM, AND MCGRATH'S, UM, PARTICULAR UNITS HAVE, ARE ALREADY ON THE GROUND, UH, IN CINCO RANCH AREA, UH, JUST DIRECTLY TO THE WEST. AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO DUPLICATE THAT PROJECT IN THIS PROCESS. UM, AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT SIDE OF THINGS, UH, WHICH IS A, UH, KIND OF A, A, UM, WE, WE PLAN TO CREATE MORE RESTAURANTS AND PATIOS AND OUTDOOR SPACES AND, UM, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S, UH, WALKABLE AND, UH, THE ABILITY FOR, UH, SAY THE APARTMENT RESIDENCE AND EVEN THE RESIDENTIAL RESIDENCE TO WALK UP THERE AND, UM, AND SEE SOMETHING, UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT. IT'S NOT GONNA BE JUST YOUR, YOUR AVERAGE, YOU KNOW, UH, STUCCO, UH, RETAIL, BUT IT'S GONNA HAVE SOME, AND I'LL GET TO THIS IN A MOMENT, BUT IT'S GONNA HAVE, UH, A LOT MORE CHARACTER AND BOUTIQUENESS TO IT. UM, WE'VE KIND OF COME UP WITH OUR AMENITY IMPROVEMENTS HERE, JUST KIND OF SH SHOWING YOU A FLOW OF REALLY AN 80 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY COMING FROM, FROM NORTH MAINE AND MOVING INTO, UM, A, A COLLECTOR ROAD THAT KIND OF MAKES AN L SHAPE UP TO I 10. AND OBVIOUSLY, UH, THAT GOES DIRECTLY INTO THE MIDDLE OF, UH, OF THE, UH, OF THE, OF ALL THE TRACKS REALLY. UM, AND IT'S GONNA BE WELL LANDSCAPED AND APPOINTED. WE'VE GOT, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY A RECREATION CENTER. WE'VE GOT A PLAYGROUND. WE'VE GOT, UM, YOU KNOW, HIGHLY LANDSCAPED AREAS AS THEY WIND AROUND. UM, THE 60 ACRE LAKE WILL PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, PLENTY OF TRAILS AND BENCHES AND PARKS AROUND IT. IT'S GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOUNTAINS IN THE MIDDLE THAT'LL MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE BEAUTIFIED. AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S, UM, SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN, IN BAYTOWN AS OF YET. UH, THESE ARE JUST, UH, A COUPLE OF OTHER, YOU KNOW, CONCEPTUAL AMENITIES. THIS IS A, UM, A VERA, WHICH IS A, UH, OUT IN WEST HOUSTON, UM, UH, PUT TOGETHER BY MERITAGE AND, AND THINGS THAT THEY'VE ALREADY PUT ON THE GROUND. AND RYAN, RYAN WILL GET, UH, TO SOME OF THIS IN A MOMENT. UM, SO, UH, AS YOU KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AS YOU COME DOWN THESE DESIGN FIGURES, YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE THAT IF YOU'RE COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, EAST TO WEST, YOU CAN KIND OF COME DOWN THAT ROAD FROM EAST TO WEST. YOU'LL, YOU, YOU CAN BASICALLY SEE THE, UH, FOCAL POINT OF THE, THE REC CENTER THAT YOU JUST SAW. UM, AS FAR AS THE HUMIDITY LAKE, IF YOU WERE COMING FROM THE SOUTH FROM I 10, YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE, UM, THIS, YOU KNOW, BEAUTIFIED LAKE, YOU'VE GOT BENCHES ALL THE WAY AROUND IT, NICE FOUNTAINS GOING UP, UM, THE ABILITY TO, UM, MAYBE TAKE YOUR DOG OUT OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS, WE'RE GONNA, UM, PROBABLY FIND A DOG PARK, UH, OVER THERE AS WELL. UM, AND THE TRAIL SYSTEM, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, YOUR 2020 PLAYBOOK, UH, BASICALLY TALKS ABOUT HAVING, YOU KNOW, A MASTER PLAN AND WHERE IT ALL CONNECTS TOGETHER. AND WE ARE HOPING TO, UM, PROVIDE THAT REALLY THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO BACK OUT TO THE WEST WHERE IT CONNECTS, UH, THROUGH, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER AREAS THAT MAY BE COMING, UH, THROUGH THAT, AS WE DEVELOP, THEN THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO CONNECT TO THAT TRAIL SYSTEM AND MAKE IT LONGER AND, UM, AND MORE USABLE. THANK YOU. UM, THIS IS JUST SHOWING YOU, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR SIGNS AT ONE OF THE ENTRANCES THERE AT NORTH MAIN. IT'S, UH, OBVIOUSLY, UH, YOU KNOW, TWO LIGHTED AREAS. WE'VE ALREADY DONE A TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, AND UNDERSTAND THIS, UM, VERY WELL. YOU'LL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION AS THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, COMES THROUGH IN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE WEEKS. UH, THIS IS MERITAGE HOMES. RYAN WILL, UM, GET ON HERE IN A MOMENT AND SPEAK ABOUT THIS, BUT THIS IS THEIR, UH, PLOT. THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING IN THEIR SINGLE FAMILY, UH, 50 FOOT WIDE LOTS, UM, THEIR QUALITY AND EFFICIENT CONSTRUCTION. UM, THESE MODELS ARE ALREADY BEING BUILT AND VERY SUCCESSFUL IN WEST HOUSTON. UM, THEY'VE GOT OBVIOUSLY SOME, UH, GREAT DESIGNER UPGRADES. UM, IN FACT, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THESE UPGRADES HERE, UH, WHAT THEY'VE DONE AS FAR AS SOME OF THEIR DESIGN COLLECTIONS AND, AND ALL THE DIFFERENT PICKS THAT YOU CAN HAVE. UM, THEY'RE ALSO GONNA BE BUILDING SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, SMALL DETACHED TOWN HOMES, WHICH I DON'T THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, BAYTOWN HAS EITHER. UM, THIS ALLOWS FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, LESS YARD MAINTENANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, AND, BUT IT ALSO HAS THE ABILITY TO BE, YOU KNOW, DETACHED LIKE IT'S YOUR OWN HOUSE. UH, MERITAGE IS NO, UM, YOU KNOW, SLOUCH IN THIS FIELD. OBVIOUSLY. THEY'VE, THEY'VE, UH, GOT ALL THE AWARDS HERE, UM, FROM, UH, ACROSS THE NATION, NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW, NATIONALLY, BUT ALSO REGIONALLY. THEY HAVE VERY HIGH, UH, REVIEWS, AS YOU CAN SEE. UM, HISTORY MAKER, UM, YOU KNOW, BASED OUT OF DALLAS. UH, THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING SOME OF THE, [02:55:01] UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DOING DO THREE UNIT AND FOUR UNIT MODELS HERE IN, IN THEIR, UM, TOWNHOME PARK. UM, AND THIS IS KIND OF WHAT THEIR INSIDES LOOK LIKE AND WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, UM, FROM THEIR RENDERINGS. UH, THEY ARE ACTUALLY PUTTING THESE ON THE GROUND, UH, UP TOWARD DALLAS. UM, YOU CAN, UH, GO TWO OF THESE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM AS WELL. UH, AND THEY HAVE MATTERPORT, UM, UH, ABILITY TO TOUR ONLINE IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE. SORRY, FOR MAKE, CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE? SURE. I MAKE SURE I, SO, UM, HERE IN THE, UM, I GUESS THE, THE TOWN HOME, AT LEAST THE STREETS, IT'S A 50. IS THAT A 50 FOOT WIDE STREET? UH, WOW. LET'S SEE. AND THEN, YEAH, A 20 FOOT ALLEY, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THE ALLEY. YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT HAS IN THERE. YES, SIR. IMPRESSIVE. WOW. MM-HMM . BUT IS THAT PAVEMENT OR RIGHT OF WAY? UH, OH, I THINK BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S, IT SAYS 50 FOOT PUBLIC STREET STREET. WOW. WELL, IT COULD BE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. I THINK THE 50 FOOT IS THE STANDARD, AND USUALLY THE PAVEMENT'S LESS THAN THAT, BUT HEY, MAYBE IT IS PAVE. YEAH. IT LOOKS EQUIVALENT TO WHERE THE HOME, SO HISTORY MAKE'S NOT HERE TO, UH, DISCUSS. THEY'RE, UM, I'M SORRY, BUT YEAH. I WISH I COULD, I BET FOR I'LL CERTAINLY CLARIFY THAT, THAT'S WHY I WAS MENTIONING, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH. MM-HMM . CORRECT. BUT ANYWAY, THEIR PRODUCT IS, IS SUPER, IT CALLED MY EYE, JUST LETTING YOU KNOW. YEAH, NO, THANK YOU. WHATEVER YOU PRESENT, WE'RE LOCKING YOU INTO . THIS IS A, IT'S BECOMES A RECORD NOW, SO I HEAR YOU. UM, SO THIS IS, UH, SOME OF THEIR STUFF THAT'S ACTUALLY ON THE GROUND. AND, UM, IN FACT, THAT MIDDLE PICTURE HERE IS FROM A MATTERPORT, UM, THAT I, I JUST KIND OF TOOK A SCREENSHOT OF, OF, OF ONE THAT THEY HAD. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL THEIR CHOICES ARE WELL APPOINTED, UM, AND IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, VERY LIVABLE AND, UM, JUST SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK, UM, BAYTOWN HAS SEEN TO THIS TYPE OF QUALITY AT THAT PRICE POINT AS WELL. SO I THINK ALSO, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA BE PUTTING IN ROUGHLY 184 UNITS, UH, DOWN ON THAT GROUND. THEY'RE GONNA START, AND, AND REALLY IT'S GONNA GO IN, IN APPROXIMATELY TWO PHASES, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY EXPECT TO MOVE HIM PRETTY QUICKLY. SO, UM, MCGRATH, UH, WHO WILL, UM, WILL HAVE RANDY UP HERE IN A LITTLE BIT TO TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT, UH, HE'S BUILDING 350 UNITS ON APPROXIMATELY 15 AND A HALF ACRES. THIS IS WHAT HE HAS BUILT, UH, ALREADY ON THE GROUND IN WEST HOUSTON. UM, THEY'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY AWESOME POOL FACILITIES AND WORKOUTS AND ROOMS, WORKOUT ROOMS. UM, THEY'VE GOT, UM, PICNIC AREAS FOR OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES, FIRE PITS, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT ALL THE THINGS THAT, UH, AMENITIES THAT YOU WOULD WANT IN A, IN A UPTODATE, UM, MULTIFAMILY FACILITY. UH, THEY'VE OBVIOUSLY BEEN AROUND A WHILE. THEY'VE BEEN IN, UH, MORE THAN 10 STATES. UM, DONE A BILLION DOLLARS IN DEAL VOLUME, UH, 4,200 UNITS. UM, THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, BACK WHEN THEY WERE, UH, ALSO WITH ASSET PLUS OR UTILIZING THE NAME ASSET PLUS. SO, UM, THEY'VE HAD A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, UH, OVER THE, YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL, YOU'LL HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT IN HERE IN A LITTLE BIT. I, I DID CATCH YOU. THEY'RE BASE IN HOUSTON. UH, YES, THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. UM, AND, UH, BAY 10 IS, UH, MYSELF FROM THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THINGS. UM, WE ARE, UM, CREATING A, A RETAIL CENTER, UH, THAT IS, THIS IS A, A VERY, UH, EARLY VIEW OF IT, BUT THE IDEA IS TO, UH, CREATE, UH, A CENTER THAT, UM, PROVIDES ALL THE AMENITIES THAT, UM, THE COMMUNITY WANTS, UM, AND THAT THAT WOULD MEAN OUTSIDE RESTAURANTS AND PATIOS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, BEAUTY SPAS OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS THAT THAT WOULD GO IN THERE. AND SO I'VE CREATED AND SHOWN YOU WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, UTILIZING, YOU KNOW, TILES AND, UH, DIFFERENT VINES AND PATIOS AND THINGS THAT KIND OF GO OVER THE TOP OF IT. HIGHER CEILINGS, MORE, YOU KNOW, MORE THINGS ON THE OUTSIDE FOR, FOR, UH, COMMUNITIES AND, AND PEOPLE TO GATHER. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT A LITTLE BIT. I'VE INCREASED THE, UH, THE PICTURE SHARED WITH THAT. SO YOU GET, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, UH, BETTER END CAPS AND SIDEWALKS AND PI, UH, YOU KNOW, PATIOS WITH BETTER TILES, BASICALLY, UH, IMPROVED AESTHETICS TO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE SOMEWHERE ELSE. IT'S NOT JUST YOUR AVERAGE, UM, CENTER. SO, SO BASICALLY THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED, UH, PLUS, UH, ACREAGE, UM, NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WANNA BRING TO BAYTOWN. UM, AND, UH, TO THE WESTERN, YOU KNOW, BAYTOWN FROM THE WESTERN, WHICH CONNECTS OVER TO THE EASTERN SIDE, THAT BASICALLY [03:00:01] PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE A MONETIZED LIFESTYLES OF TRAILS AND PARKS AND POOLS AND RESTAURANTS AND, AND WHATEVER DWELLING UNIT THEY MAY CHOOSE FROM, SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY, AND A RANGE OF COMPETITIVE PRICING. UM, AND RIGHT NOW HOUSING DEMAND ACROSS TEXAS, AS Y'ALL KNOW, IS JUST, UH, ON FIRE. AND, UH, THIS IS THE TIME TO, TO BUILD A COMMUNITY LIKE THIS THAT IS, UH, COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, INTERACTING AND ABLE TO DO THESE TRAILS. AND YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOUNTAINS AND THINGS, UM, FOR PEOPLE TO SEE, UM, AND LANDSCAPE IT HEAVILY THROUGH THROUGHOUT, UM, THE PROCESS THAT, THAT MAKES IT FEEL LIKE A DIFFERENT PLACE. UM, AND MAYBE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WOULD BE THE TAXABLE VALUE. UM, WITH EIGHT, OVER 800 DWELLING UNITS PUT ON THE GROUND WITHIN 18 TO 24 MONTHS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT OVER 200 MILLION IN, IN, IN TAXABLE VALUE. AND THAT'S JUST, THAT'S NOT COMING FROM ME. IT'S COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, OUR TEAM. UM, AND I THINK WE'VE GOT, UM, YOU KNOW, A, A GROUP OF, UH, OUR TEAM IS ALREADY DOING THESE THINGS ALREADY, AND THIS IS ALREADY READY TO GO. THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE READY TO TAKE ON THIS BLOCK AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. SO, YOU KNOW, FROM MY STANDPOINT, AS THE MAIN DEVELOPER PUTTING IN THE, THE STREETS AND ROADS AND THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, PIT AND PUTT PROCESS, UM, BUT ALSO THE COMMERCIAL, WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA COME AND DO THE APARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, UH, AT LEAST FROM MCGRATH SIDE, UM, WE'RE GONNA BE COMING IN AND DOING, UM, COMMERCIAL. THEY'RE DOING THE, UM, HISTORY MAKERS DOING THE RESIDENTIAL. I MEAN, IT JUST, IT, WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER TO CREATE THIS, UM, DESIGN. SO, OKAY. UM, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS, SUGGESTIONS, UH, AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, I'D LIKE TO GET, UM, UH, RANDY UP HERE TO TALK ABOUT APARTMENTS. AND THEN RYAN HAS A, A LITTLE BIT, A FEW MORE, UH, SLIDES PUT UP FOR MERITAGE. OKAY. WELL, YOU DID GOOD TALKING ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE'S STUFF TOO, THOUGH, I'LL TELL YOU. WELL, YEAH, I, WELL, I, YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. I'LL JUST SAY, I LIKE ITEM SIX BA LOT MORE THAN SIX A. YEAH. , THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR FROM OTHER PEOPLE OR DO YOU WANT QUESTIONS FROM ME RIGHT NOW? UH, LET'S, LET'S AT LEAST WHAT'S PRESENTED, CAN WE ASK SOME QUESTIONS NOW AND MAYBE THAT'LL HELP WHEN, WHEN THEY COME UP? SURE, SURE. GO AHEAD. IS THERE ANY, YOU HAVE, UH, ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK THIS WILL BE IN YOUR DISTRICT, RIGHT? IS THIS DEVELOPMENT BEING CONSIDERED FOR A PI? YES. YES, MA'AM. AND DO YOU HAVE, UM, PRICE POINTS FOR THE HOMES, TOWN HOMES YET? UM, I'LL, I'LL LET THEM ADDRESS THAT. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. I LIKE WHAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR. GREAT. THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. WELL, BOB, ARE YOU GOOD WITH IT? YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'D LOVE ANY SUGGESTIONS AS WELL, YOU KNOW? WELL, LET ME MAKE A SUGGESTION. UH OH. OKAY. THERE WE GO. FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, WELL, NINE YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN UP HERE IN MY FEW DAYS, I HAVE LEFT. I'VE ASKED DEVELOPERS TO COME IN HERE. WHAT WE'RE MISSING IN BAYTOWN IS SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE TOWN HOME, THOSE WITH THE SMALL YARDS, BUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE QUALITY HOMES. AND FOR NINE YEARS, WE'VE MISSED THE TARGET UP UNTIL NOW. YEAH. THIS IS GOOD. AND MORE, ESPECIALLY THE DEVELOPMENT UP FRONT, BUT, UH, I HOPE YOU STICK TO YOUR GUNS AS TO WHAT YOU SHOW THESE PEOPLE HERE. I WON'T BE HERE WHENEVER THIS COMES THROUGH, BUT YOU NEED TO STICK WITH WHAT YOU SHOW HERE BECAUSE THE MARKET HERE WILL SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THIS. YES, SIR. WE JUST NEED THE FIRST GUY TO GET HERE. AND SO YOU BRING IT HERE AND IT WILL HELP THIS COMMUNITY OUT. AND I THINK THIS WILL GO OFF, LIKE YOU SAY, THE HOUSING MARKET'S ON FIRE. THIS WILL CERTAINLY GO YES, SIR. YEAH, I, I MEAN, I, UH, I, I, FROM, FROM WHAT WE SEE, I, I DON'T, THE, THE DEMAND IS, IS ALREADY THERE. AND I THINK IT WOULD, IT WOULD, IT WOULD LIKE BE LIKE A GRASS FIRE OVER THERE. IT WOULD GO SO FAST, IN MY OPINION. AND IT'S, IF THEY'RE ALREADY SELLING THEM IN WEST HOUSTON, UM, I, I DON'T REALLY SEE, UH, TOO MUCH OF AN ISSUE, BUT I'M, I'M NOT THE, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL EXPERT. OKAY, NO PROBLEM. BUT THESE, THESE GUYS WOULD NOT BE IN, YOU KNOW, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH US IF THEY DIDN'T THINK SO. NO. AND SPENDING MONEY LIKE THEY ARE, I MEAN, AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US HAS ALREADY SPENT LOTS OF MONEY, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT PLANS TO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY DONE TRAFFIC STUDIES, WE'VE WORKED ON A DRAINAGE STUDY. I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE WELL AHEAD. NO, YOU'RE NINE YEARS BEHIND . I CAN APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY, MS. ALVARADO. UM, MAYOR, I WAS JUST GOING TO RE REITERATE THE SAME, UH, COMMENT THAT, UH, COUNCILMAN HOSKIN HAS SAID THAT, UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW EVEN WHEN WE WERE DOING THE MARKET SHARE REDEVELOPMENT AND WE WERE ASKED WOULD WE LIKE TO SEE APARTMENTS, AND I SAID, I'D LIKE TO SEE TOWN HOMES. YEAH. AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO NOT HAVE HERE. UM, I'D LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT AS IT'S PROPOSED. UM, I KNOW RICK HAS TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE, THE LOOK AND THE LIVE AND WORK, UM, AND I FEEL THAT THIS DEFINITELY MEETS A LOT OF THOSE, UM, CHECK BOXES. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO LOOKING MORE AND, AND SEEING MORE OF THE PROPOSAL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO, TO WORKING WITH YOU GUYS AS WELL. AND I'M, I, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME AFTER THEM, I'M, I'M, I'M ALWAYS OBVIOUSLY HERE. YEAH. WE'LL [03:05:01] GET TO THEM AS IT IS GETTING LATE. AND SO, UM, WE CAN JUST GET A FEW SLIDES, BUT YEAH, IT, IT SHOULD BE VERY QUICK, SO I DON'T THINK HAVE TO SELL IT MUCH MORE, JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT. OKAY. THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE QUICK, I PROMISE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YES. AND WE HAVE RYAN, UH, DOES RYAN WANNA GO? HE'S ONLINE. YEAH. LET ME, LET ME GET THAT FORM. OKAY. I GUESS HE NEEDS ME TO RUN IT. OKAY. YOU NEED HEARING COUNSEL, THIS IS RYAN DAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. PERFECT. LOVE WHEN TECHNOLOGY WORKS. ALRIGHT. YEAH. COREY, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, UH, PROGRESSING THROUGH THE SLIDES FOR ME, THAT'D BE, UH, THAT'D BE GREAT. YEAH. JUST SAY NEXT AND I'LL DO IT. PERFECT. THAT WORKS. UH, GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. UH, MY NAME IS RYAN DAY, UH, I WORK FOR MERITAGE HOMES. OUR ADDRESS IS 32 50 BRIAR PARK DRIVE, UH, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 4 2. UH, WANTED TO PROVIDE US A QUICK OVERVIEW OF MERITAGE, WHO WE ARE, UH, AND WHAT WE THINK, UH, WE, WE BRING TO THE TABLE. AND THIS ALREADY VERY WELL COORDINATED, UH, DEVELOPMENT EFFORT LED BY, UH, COREY IN BAY 10. UH, MERITAGE CURRENTLY IS THE SEVENTH LARGEST HOME BUILDER. WE OPERATE IN 21 DIFFERENT, UH, UH, MARKETS ACROSS THE NATION. UH, WE'RE HEADQUARTERED OUT OF SCOTTSDALE, ARIZONA. NEXT SLIDE. UH, SO WE ARE THE, THE SEVENTH LARGEST BUY, UH, HOME CLOSINGS. AND SOMETHING I WANTED TO POINT OUT, UH, ON THIS SLIDE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN SOME FAMILIAR NAMES, UH, ON HERE, SUCH AS VR HORTON AND SUCH AS LGI, UH, WANTED TO SHOW THE REVENUE PER CLOSING NUMBER. UH, I ADDED THAT LITTLE COLUMN OVER THERE. UM, UH, COMPANY WIDE, OUR AVERAGE SALES PRICE IS OVER $400,000, WHICH CANNOT BE SAID FOR SOME OF THE, UH, THE OTHER PLAYERS, UM, THAT HAVE, UM, HAVE A, A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORY WITH, UH, WITH THE CITY, LET'S JUST SAY THAT. SO WE ARE, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE UPSCALE BUILDER, UM, AND, UH, AND PUT A LOT OF THINGS INTO OUR HOMES THAT A LOT OF THESE OTHER FOLKS DO NOT DO. UM, AND WANT TO GET INTO THAT, UH, HERE AS WELL. OKAY. UH, NEXT SLIDE HERE IN HOUSTON, UH, WE HAVE 32 DIFFERENT, UH, COMMUNITIES. ONE THAT IS COMING ONLINE, UH, HERE PRETTY SOON. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF FORD'S GOTTEN BACK, BUT WE HAVE, UH, CLOSED ON LAND WITHIN, UH, CHAMBERS COUNTY MUD THREE. UH, DR. HORTON IS OFFICIALLY OUT OF THAT COMMUNITY AND OUT OF THAT PROJECT, WE HAVE ASSUMED THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UH, AS PART OF, UH, THAT MUD AND ARE PROGRESSING FORWARD THERE. SO WE'RE EXCITED TO POTENTIALLY HAVE, UH, ONE PROJECT IN THE ETJ AND THEN ONE PROJECT IN THE CITY. GO AHEAD AND HIT NEXT SLIDE. ALRIGHT, SO, UH, AS, AS CO ALREADY MENTIONED, UM, THIS IS OUR, OUR OVERALL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AGAIN, JUST TO A GREAT COORDINATION OF MULTIPLE USERS HERE. I WANTED TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY ON THE SINGLE FAMILY AND THE AMENITIES THAT WE HAVE PLANNED, UH, WITHIN A SINGLE FAMILY PORTION. UH, SO AS CURRENTLY PLANNED, WE HAVE BOTH 50 FOOT, TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AS WELL AS 30 FOOT, WHAT WE CALL DETACHED TOWN HOMES. WE THINK THERE'S, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFITS TO THE DETACHED TOWN HOMES THAT WILL GET INTO, UH, HERE SHORTLY. UH, BUT THIS PLAN SHOWS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, UH, FOUNTAINS IN OUR DETENTION POND TRAILS THROUGHOUT, NOT ONLY AROUND THE DETENTION POND, BUT CUTTINGS THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY TO, TO MAKE IT SUCH THAT NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT YOU WERE WITHIN EASY ACCESS TO GET ON THE TRAIL SYSTEM. UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE'VE NOTICED TOO IS WE'RE UP AGAINST THE, UH, UH, PIPELINE EASEMENT AS WELL AS A, A MORE OF A REGIONAL, UH, DRAINAGE CHANNEL THERE ON THE EAST SIDE. UH, THAT I THINK WOULD BE GREAT OPPORTUNITIES, UH, FOR THE CITY LONG TERM TO LOOK INTO FURTHER CONNECTIVITY TO OTHER, UH, DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA. AND WE HAVE TRAILS THAT ARE ESSENTIALLY STUBBED OUT TO, UH, THOSE AREAS, UM, TO REALLY CREATE A, A REGIONAL TRAIL SYSTEM, UH, IF THAT'S DESIRED. UH, YOU CAN SEE ON HERE WE HAVE, UH, A COUPLE DIFFERENT FENCES, UH, UH, CALLED OUT, UH, PRECAST WITH MASONRY COLUMNS, UH, MULTIPLE TERTIARY MONUMENTS, A MAIN ENTRY MONUMENT ON NORTH MAIN, UH, TO DRAW FOLKS IN OFF OF THAT BUSY, UH, THOROUGHFARE, AS WELL AS, UH, SIGNAGE ALONG THE FRONTAGE ROAD, UH, OF I 10, UH, TO DRAW FOLKS INTO DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. UH, IT'S WORTH MENTIONING THAT, UH, ALL OF THE MATERIALS AND THEMING WILL BE CONSISTENT BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL USES, THE TOWN HOME USES, THE MULTIFAMILY USES AND THE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, USES AS WELL AS FAR AS, [03:10:01] UM, COMMON FENCING AND, UH, OVERALL LANDSCAPING MATERIALS AND, AND, UH, TREES, PLANTS, AND, AND SO ON. BUT NEXT, NEXT SLIDE. AS COREY MENTIONED, THIS IS A, UH, A DEVELOPMENT, UH, OF OURS CALLED VERA. UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO KIND OF MODEL THIS DEVELOPMENT OFF OF. AND I HAVE, UH, MORE ACTUAL PICTURES, UH, FURTHER ON IN MY, MY SLIDESHOW. I'LL GO AHEAD AND HIT THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A, A REPRESENTATION OF WHAT, UH, WE, THE ENTRY MONUMENTATION COULD LOOK LIKE. UH, THE MASONRY COLUMNS, AS WELL AS THE PRECAST CONCRETE, UH, FENCING, KIND OF HAVING THAT HORIZONTAL, UH, FEEL VERY MUCH, UH, OF A MODERN, UH, FEEL THAT YOU SEE MORE, UH, IN TOWN, UH, THAT YOU TYPICALLY DO IN THE SUBURBS. BUT THIS IS A, A HIGHER DENSITY DEAL. SO WE THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE, UH, BE CERTAINLY APPROPRIATE. UH, SO WANNA RUN THROUGH REAL QUICK PICTURES OF OUR EXISTING TALI VERA COMMUNITY. HERE'S THE ENTRY MONUMENT. NEXT SLIDES ENTRY, UH, THE TERTIARY MONUMENT AS WELL. UM, THESE ARE LITTLE COLUMNS THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT JUST PULLING IN THE THEMEING OF THE DEVELOPMENT. WE WOULD WANT TO DO SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR HERE. AGAIN, UH, AMENITIZED PONDS WHERE YOU HAVE FOUNTAINS WITH WALKING TRAILS, TREES. UM, WHAT'S NOT SHOWN IN THAT PICTURE IS THERE ARE, UH, PARK BENCHES SPREAD THROUGHOUT. SO IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE WALKING AND, AND, UH, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE A SUNSET, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU GO AHEAD AND SIT DOWN AND, AND ENJOY THE, UH, THE SCENERY OUT THERE. REALLY A, A PLEASANT AREA. UH, MORE PICTURES OF THE DETENTION PONDS THERE. UH, THIS IS OUR AMENITY CENTER. UH, WE HAVE A, UH, BATHROOMS, UH, AS WELL AS A SWIMMING POOL THERE. UM, ON OUR PROPOSAL, WE HAVE A SEPARATE LOCATION FOR A, UM, UH, PLAYGROUND FACILITY THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THE AMENITY CENTER. AGAIN, TRYING TO, TO MAKE AN A A AMENITY, UM, WITHIN A SHORT WALKING DISTANCE FROM ANY LOT, UH, WITHIN THE SINGLE FAMILY SECTION. SO I WANTED TO, TO GET INTO, UH, THE SPECIFICS OF OUR PROPOSED PRODUCT, BOTH ON THE DETACHED TOWN HOMES AND THE TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY, UH, THE DETACHED TOWN HOMES WE TYPICALLY DO. UM, NEXT SLIDE THERE, COREY. WE TYPICALLY DO THIS PRODUCT IN PLACES SUCH AS SPRING BRANCH, IDO, GARDEN OAKS. UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE JUST GOTTEN APPROVAL FOR, UM, A, UH, TOWN HOME DEAL IN THE CITY OF KEAH. UM, AND SO WE, WE ARE BRANCHING IT MORE SO TO THE SUBURBS, BUT WE THINK IT WOULD DO VERY, VERY WELL IN THE SUBURBS AS WELL, AND BE SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S DIFFERENT. UH, THIS IS KIND OF OUR FLAGSHIP, UM, UH, TOWN HOME PROPERTY. IT'S, UH, CALLED SPRINGBROOK VILLAGE IN SPRING BRANCH. GO AHEAD AND HIT THE NEXT SLIDE. THESE ARE, UM, ACTUAL SNIPPETS FROM OUR WEBSITE FOR, UH, THESE HOMES. AND, AND YOU CAN LOOK AT THE, THE PRICING THAT'S ON THESE, UH, THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY SELLING IN SPRING BRANCH. I WON'T NECESSARILY MAKE ANY PROMISES OR, OR, OR MAKE ANY REPRESENTATIONS ON THE PRICING THAT WE'RE GONNA SEE HERE IN BAYTOWN. BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS, UM, I CAN GET YOU A LIST OF COMMUNITIES WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY SELLING THIS PRODUCT. UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THE PRICES, UM, THAT THE MARKET DICTATES FOR, FOR THOSE AS WELL. UM, SO THIS SERIES, UH, RUNS FROM ABOUT 1500 SQUARE FEET. UH, THAT THE SMALLER ONE THERE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS ACTUALLY A TWO BEDROOM. SO IT'S MORE FOR, UH, TWO WORKING PROFESSIONALS HAVING A, UH, A ROOMMATE TYPE OF SITUATION OR, OR COLLEGE STUDENTS GOING TO LEE COLLEGE. UM, MORE A ROOMMATE SITUATION. THAT'S THE ONLY TWO BEDROOM UNIT THAT WE HAVE. THE REST OF 'EM ARE THREE BEDROOM, UH, TWO OR TWO AND A HALF BATH, THREE DIFFERENT PRODUCTS. UH, UH, ABOUT HALF OF OUR PRODUCTS ON THE TOWN HOMES ARE, UH, SIDE LOADED AND YOU CAN SEE THE, THE SIDE, UM, UH, FACING DOOR. AND THEN SOME OF 'EM ARE FRONT FACING, FRONT DOOR. HEY, RYAN, SPEAKING TO THE, UH, MICROPHONE. YEAH, SORRY. UH, SO, SO WE HAVE A VARIETY OF, OF PRODUCT AS FAR AS THE STREET STAKE GOES AS WELL. UM, NEXT SLIDE. KEEP GOING. THIS IS A, A REPRESENTATION OF ONE OF OUR POCKET PARKS, UH, WITHIN, UH, THE SPRINGBROOK VILLAGE COMMUNITY. GOING AGAIN, KIND OF THE, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE HOMES AND THE PARKS THERE. HOMES, 'CAUSE THEY ARE TOWN HOME, THEY, THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE NARROW. WE PUT A TON OF WINDOWS ON THESE, LIKE NATURAL LIGHT . ALRIGHT, I GUESS, RYAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND, UM, IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT FOR SOME OF US. IS THERE ANY OTHER THINGS YOU WANNA HIGHLIGHT? YEP. UH, [03:15:01] SO ONGOING, UH, WE'VE GOT INTERIOR SHOTS, UH, YOU KNOW, GRANITE COUNTERTOPS. MERITAGE IS KNOWN FOR THEIR, UH, ENERGY EFFICIENCY. WE SPRAY FOAM INSULATE EVERY SINGLE HOME. AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT MOST OF OUR BUILDERS DO NOT DO. UH, YOU KNOW, OTHER JUST REPRESENTATION, REPRESENTATIVE PHOTOS OF OUR TOWN HOME PRODUCT, BACKYARDS, BACK PATIOS, FLOOR PLANS. UM, THE TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY, UH, THESE ARE 50 FOOT LOTS, WE WOULD'VE 40 FOOT PRODUCT ON THEM. UH, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS RANGE FROM, YOU KNOW, 1600 SQUARE FEET UP TO 3000 SQUARE FEET. THAT'S PRETTY HIGH. UH, AGAIN, REPRESENTATIVE OF PHOTOS, UH, FOR THOSE AND FOR FLOOR PLANS AS WELL. AND SO IN, IN CONCLUSION, I WANTED TO, TO BRING UP, YOU KNOW, TWO THINGS. UM, THE MA A GOOD PORTION OF AT LEAST A SINGLE FAMILY, UM, ON THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN IS, UM, UH, DESIGNATED AS HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH ALLOWS FOR DUPLEXES, TOWN HOMES, BOTH ATTACHED AND . SO WE, WE FIT THE NATURE OF, UH, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. UM, AND THEN HAVING AS PART OF A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IS JUST THE ICING ON THE CAKE. UH, AND THEN, UH, AS FAR AS THE, THE MUD AND PIT RESOLUTION, AGAIN, COREY MENTIONED THAT WE, WE ARE SEEKING A PIT FOR THIS, UH, PROPERTY IN ADDITION TO THE PUD THAT WOULD SET FORTH DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. UM, WANTED TO RUN THROUGH THOSE REAL QUICK, YOU KNOW, MINIMUM A HUNDRED ACRES CHECK, WE'RE OVER A HUNDRED ACRES. UH, YOU KNOW, THE PRICING THRESHOLD. AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE IN HOUSTON, UM, AND TO SEE WHAT PRICES THAT THOSE HAVE GARNERED, UH, KNOW WHERE THE SIX RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO THE ACRE CHECK, WE'RE GOOD ON THAT ONE. DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. THAT'S THE, THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW FOR SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND PLANNING STANDARDS, THEME DEVELOPMENT. UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN PROBABLY PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UH, ON THAT. BUT, UH, I THINK YOU'VE, YOU'VE SEEN THE INTENT IS TO HAVE A, A SIMILAR THEME FOR ALL THE USES THERE. TREELINE, STREETS AND SIDEWALKS. ABSOLUTELY. UH, TREE SURVEY, THE, THE, THE PROPERTY'S NOT TERRIBLY TREE, BUT, UH, IF THAT'S, UH, A CONDITION TO, UH, THE, THE PIT, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. UH, DEDICATION OF REGIONAL UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS, WE'RE DOING THAT AS WELL. THE DETENTION FACILITIES ARE PERPETUALLY MAINTAINED. ONE THING I DID NOT MENTION IS WE WILL HAVE AN HOA AND THE, THE, THE IDEA IS TO, UH, MAINTAIN THE, THE DETENTION AREAS AS WELL AS, UH, ANY COMMON AREAS AND AMENITIES WITH THAT HOA, UH, VARIABLE LOT SIZES. ANOTHER THRESHOLD ON THERE. AS YOU SEE, WE HAVE VARIABLE LOT SIZES, UH, AND TRAIL AND NETWORK, UH, SIDEWALK NETWORK THROUGHOUT. UH, WE HAVE THAT AS WELL. SO I THINK IT, IT TICKS OFF A LOT OF BOXES AND, AND MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UH, THAT YOU HAVE AND, AND APOLOGIZE FOR BEING . UH, CERTAINLY PASSIONATE ABOUT, UH, WHAT WE DO. YEAH, NO, I, I, MY ONLY COMMENTS I'LL MAKE IS EVERYTHING YOU'VE SHOWN REALLY LOOKS REALLY NICE AND A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION, A LOT OF GOOD PRICE POINTS. UM, UH, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANNA ADD TO THE PRESENTATION? UH, THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION. IT'S NOT AN ACTION ITEM BY COUNSEL IN ANY WAY. I, I WILL, WE CAN MAKE A FEW COMMENTS, BUT NO, NO. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD, YOU THINK THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET? ANYTHING YOU GOOD? I'M HAPPY TO ADD RANDY HOPPER. I REPRESENT THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPER RESIDENT OF BAYTOWN. YEP. I'M HAPPY TO, I'M HAPPY TO, 30 SECONDS. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS IN BAYTOWN. AND THIS ONE, WE'RE SUPER EXCITED. WE'RE BRINGING CLASS A PLUS AND THE AMENITIES, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE, LET ME KNOW. UM, BUT HAPPY TO LEAVE IT AT THAT. NO, WE APPRECIATE IT AND, AND, UH, I WANNA HEAR OTHER COMMENTS, BUT I WILL SAY, I, I THINK, UM, YOU'VE KNOCKED IT OUTTA THE PARK FROM THE BEGINNING. NOT, NOT MANY TIMES AS A DEVELOPER COME AND SHOW US SOMETHING. AND NOW GRANTED, THESE ARE PICTURES, BUT IT'S, I I REALLY CAN'T FIND ANYTHING THAT I WOULD SAY THAT YOU NEED TO KIND OF READDRESS IN ANY WAY. SO I APPRECIATE WHEN YOU COME UP, AND I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS, THIS MIXED USE TYPE APPROACH FOR A WHILE WITH STAFF AND, AND SO ON. AND SO YOUR PRESENTATION WAS VERY, UM, INFORMATIVE, THOROUGH, AND, UM, IT IS CERTAINLY GONNA MEET A NEED THAT WE'VE BEEN LACKING FOR A VERY LONG TIME. MORE THAN NINE YEARS, I WOULD SAY. UM, AND I THINK IT'LL BE VERY SUCCESSFUL. AND I, I ACTUALLY WANNA THANK YOU FOR, UM, FOR GOING AND CONSIDERING BAYTOWN FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. WELL, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, UM, IT, IT'S BEEN REALLY HELPFUL TO WORK, UH, ACTUALLY WITH, UM, BRETT ELLA. HE'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, HELPED US AND GUIDE US IN THE RIGHT WAY. AND, UM, AND UH, IT ONLY MAKES IT THAT MORE SUCCESSFUL WHEN WE'RE ALL KIND OF WORKING TOGETHER TO ACHIEVE THE SAME GOAL. NOPE. ABSOLUTELY. AND SO IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? I THINK DREW JUST, OKAY, SO WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE ON. UH, IT WAS JUST A DISCUSSION ITEM, SO I DO APPRECIATE EVERYTHING. AND THEN, UH, I GUESS THE ONLY QUESTION TWO, I GUESS THERE'S TWO QUESTIONS. ONE, WHAT WILL YOU [03:20:01] NEED FROM US ADMINISTRATIVELY, IF THERE'S ANY? I THINK EVERYTHING'S ZONED CORRECTLY. WELL, THEY, THEY DO HAVE TO DO THE, THE PUD, RIGHT? SO, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, SO THAT PROCESS WILL PROBABLY START TO WORK CONCURRENTLY WITH THE PIT PROCESS. I MEAN, THE PI PROCESS WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO GET 'EM IN FRONT OF YOU HERE. THE SUPPORT OR LACK OF SUPPORT, I THINK WE HEARD A LOT OF SUPPORT. SO I WOULD, I WOULD THINK WE HAVE PRETTY GOOD SUPPORT. UM, THAT GIVES US THE FEEDBACK TO GO AND START WORKING WITH THEM ON ALL THE LOGISTICS OF STARTING THE PUD PROCESS, PIT PROCESS, ALL THAT STUFF. IN GENERAL TIMELINE, DO YOU HAVE THAT, THAT CAN WORK IN CONCURRENT, CONCURRENTLY WITH, UM, WHEN WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE DIRT AND HOW CAN WE, HOW SOON CAN WE MAKE BRETT AND OTHERS MAKE THIS HAPPEN? WELL, I THINK WITH THE HOUSING, UH, BOOM GOING ON, I, I THINK, UH, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. OKAY. YEAH. AND SO I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO SHOOT FOR SUBMISSION OF THE PUD BY THE 10TH OF NOVEMBER, WHICH IS BEFORE THIS 17TH. I THINK. UH, I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD. SO I THINK BRETT'S GONNA ADD TO THAT. BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOUR, JUST BRIEFLY, AND I APOLOGIZE, I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT. UH, IN ESSENCE, THE PROCESS IS GONNA RUN US ABOUT 120 DAYS, UM, 150 DAYS ON THE OUTSIDE. THE PROCESS HAS TO WORK THAT WE HAVE TO GET THE P UH, APPLICATION PUT TOGETHER, WORK WITH OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT. NATHAN'S ALREADY BEEN A PART OF THIS AS WELL AS FRED HAS, SO THEY'RE AWARE OF IT. WE HAVE TO RUN IN FRONT OF PLANNING AND ZONING TWICE BEFORE IT COMES BACK IN FRONT OF YOU. ON A PARALLEL TRACK, WE'LL BE WORKING THE PI PROCESS, WHICH MEANS ALSO WE'LL BE DEVELOPING OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THAT. UM, ABBY IS OUR CONSULTANT HAS ALREADY AWARE OF THIS PROJECT, VERY AWARE OF THIS PROJECT, AND HAS BEEN WORKING WITH COREY AND BOBBY, UH, PUTTING TOGETHER ALL OF THEIR MATERIALS. SO WE'VE, WE'VE REALLY BEEN WORKING THIS DOWN THE ROAD AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN. UM, THESE THINGS WILL WORK IN A PARALLEL FORMAT AND WHAT WE ANTICIPATE IS HOPEFULLY BY THE FEBRUARY ONE OF THE FEBRUARY COUNCIL MEETINGS, WE WILL BE IN FRONT OF YOU FOR YOU TO APPROVE THE PUD. AND THEN RIGHT AFTER THAT, THE NEXT LINE ITEM WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE PI FOR THE PROJECT. SO 120, MAYBE 150 DAYS OUT FROM NOW, WE'LL BE IN A POSITION WHERE THEY CAN START TURNING DIRT. ALRIGHT. AWESOME. ALRIGHT, MOVE ON [7. CONSENT All Consent Agenda items listed are considered to be routine by the City Council and will be enacted by one motion. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless a Council Member requests, in which event the item will be removed from the Consent Agenda and considered in its normal sequence on the agenda.] TO CONSENT. AND CONSENT. DOES, UH, GO FROM ITEM SEVEN A TO TI BELIEVE BASED OFF IN OUR WORKS SESSION THERE WAS SOME ITEMS BEING PULLED. SO IF YOURS, ANY ITEMS YOU'RE GONNA PULL, OTHER THAN JUST A GENERAL COMMENT, UM, IF THERE'S ANY ITEM THAT NEEDS TO BE PULLED OFF, UM, CONSENT, CONSENT AGENDA FOR ADDITIONAL OR SEPARATE, UH, CONSIDERATION, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. NOW I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS D AND E. OKAY, SO WE HAVE D AND E. ANYTHING ELSE TO DISCUSS OR TO PULL TO, TO DISCUSS SEPARATELY TO, YEAH, TO PULL SEPARATELY AND DISCUSS VOTES SEPARATELY. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A COMP, JUST A GENERAL COMMENT. WE CAN KEEP IT IN HERE. WE CAN EVEN APPROVE AND YOU CAN MAKE A COMMENT. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER, UH, ITEMS TO BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY. SO A THROUGH T EXCLUDING D AND E TO BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY. SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR CONSENT, UM, FOR THE ITEMS OTHER THAN D AND E MOVE TO APPROVE MOTION. CAN I GET A SECOND PLEASE? SECOND. ALRIGHT, MOTION, SECOND. CONSENT, UH, ITEMS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THAT CONSENT AS AS WRITTEN? MR. AYE? AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, NOW WE'LL TAKE ITEM D. [d. Consider an ordinance authorizing the first renewal of the Towing and Storage Services Contract with Baytown Wrecker Service, Inc.] CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZED IN THE FIRST RENEWAL OF THE TOWING AND SERVICES CONTRACT WITH BAYTOWN RECORDS SERVICE INC. IT SAYS CHIEF. UH, HE MAY, HE'S THERE, HE'S AWAKE TOO AND EVERYTHING GOOD. SO, OKAY. BUT, UM, YEAH, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, DISCUSS THIS ONE LAST TIME. I WASN'T EXPECTING IT TO BE ON A CONSENT AGENDA. UM, I, I'M FINE WITH THE, THE CONTRACT. I THINK IT WORKED REALLY WELL AND I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED BY THE PRESENTATION THAT STAFF GAVE. BUT I DO THINK IN THE CHAOS THAT HAPPENED TWO YEARS AGO, I THINK THERE WERE SOME REALLY GOOD COMPANIES THAT WANTED TO BID AND GOT BAD ADVICE AND DIDN'T BID. AND HAD THEY BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY MAYBE THEY WOULD HAVE. AND, UM, I THINK COMPETITIVE BIDS ARE ONLY A WIN FOR US. AND SO I, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING THIS GO OUT TO BID INSTEAD OF JUST RENEWING THE CONTRACT AND SEEING IF WE CAN GET, UM, SOME MORE COMPETITIVE PRICING FROM COMPANIES THAT I THINK, UM, WOULD HAVE BID HAD THEY NOT KIND OF, UH, FOLLOWED THAT ADVICE AND ALIGNED WITH, UH, CERTAIN FOLKS. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON THAT? YOU KNOW, I, I, I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON IT. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A FANTASTIC PROGRAM. IT'S WORKING VERY, VERY WELL. I, I, I DISAGREE. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE OPENED BACK UP THAT CAN OF WORMS, WHICH IS THE BIDDING PROCESS ON THAT. I THINK THAT, UH, WE SHOULD REWARD THE CURRENT CONTRACT HOLDER AND LET [03:25:01] THEM HAVE THAT RENEWAL. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IN LISTENING TO THE CHIEF'S COMMENTS, THERE'S ZERO UPSIDE TO IMPROVING ON THE PROCESS THAT'S IN PLACE RIGHT NOW. THEY WERE LITERALLY PERFECT. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THERE. WAS IT, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S AMAZING HOW WE FLIP THAT AND HOW MUCH LABOR WE'RE SAVING WITH THE CITY, HOW MUCH LABOR WE'RE SAVING WITH, UH, THE CITY CLERK. I MEAN, IT, IT'S PERFECT. AND WE WERE LED DOWN A PATH THAT WAS WRONG. EVERYBODY CAME UP, STOOD THAT PODIUM WAS WRONG. THEY, THEY STEERED THE COUNCIL WRONG. THEY TOLD US IT WOULDN'T WORK, AND IT WAS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF THAT. AND, UH, I THINK THAT, UH, BAYTOWN RECORD SERVICE DESERVES THE OP OPTION AND HAS TO GET THE RENEWAL. AND, UH, I, I, I FRANKLY, I JUST DON'T SEE THE POINT. I DON'T SEE THE POINT, AND THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. OKAY. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? I I'LL HAVE ONE, BUT YEAH, I'LL, I, I'LL, I'LL HAVE TO AGREE WITH MR. HELEL. UM, THEY DID GET BAD ADVICE, BUT THEY GOT BAD ADVICE FROM THE, THEY GOT BAD ADVICE FROM THE PEOPLE THAT THEY COLLUDED WITH. IT WAS BASICALLY ADEN OF THIEVES AND IF YOU'RE GONNA TRUST EACH OTHER, SHAME ON YOU. UM, THEY'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB, AS DAVE SAID, JUST ABOUT ZERO COMPLAINTS. AND NO ONE THAT CAME TO THAT PODIUM, LIKE HE SAID, EXPECTED THAT TO HAPPEN. UM, I ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH THEM AND THEY WERE THANKFUL AND SAID THAT THEY WERE GONNA DO THE BEST JOB POSSIBLE. AND FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN AND JUST COMMENTS AROUND THE COMMUNITY, FOR PEOPLE WHO'VE HAD TO USE TOW, THEY'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB AND I THINK THEY SHOULD BE REWARDED THIS NOW. IF IT CAME DOWN TO WHERE THEY HAD ISSUES AND SOMEONE THOUGHT THEY COULD DO IT BETTER, I COULD, I COULD SEE THAT. BUT NO ISSUES, NO IMPROVEMENT NEEDED. GO AHEAD WITH IT. YOU KNOW, ONE OTHER COMMENT, WE, THE LATE TOWS WENT TO NOTHING. WE'VE MADE THE ROADS AND STREETS SAFER FOR EVERYBODY OUT THERE. THEY'RE SITTING OUT THERE WITH A FLASHING LIGHTS WAY SHORTER AMOUNTS OF TIME THAN THEY USED TO. IT'S A WIN FOR THE CITIZENS. YOU, YOU CAN'T GET ANY BETTER. WE SHOULD GRAB THIS THING AND GO WITH IT. 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO IMPROVE IT. YOU'RE NOT, YOU CAN'T, WE HAVE NO ISSUES. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, MAYOR? YES, MA'AM. UM, THIS IS THE SECOND YEAR. UM, I, I DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SECOND YEAR FOR THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT, BUT, UM, I, I KNOW THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE THAT OPTION IN FUTURE CONTRACTS TO AGAIN, REVIEW THE PROCESS. UM, I, I KNOW FROM THE LAST TIME THERE WAS PROBABLY A COUPLE THAT I CAN REMEMBER THAT, YOU KNOW, I FEEL THAT IF THEY WOULD'VE GOTTEN DIFFERENT ADVICE, WE WOULD'VE BEEN IN A DIFFERENT SITUATION. BUT I, I THINK THERE'S LEARNING, UM, FOR THEM FOR THE FUTURE ON HOW TO DO BUSINESS WITH, UH, THE CITY AND BID. UM, BUT I THINK FOR RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE, UM, WITH THIS PARTICULAR, UM, CONSENT ITEM AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT FOR FUTURE, FOR FOR THE FUTURE, WE, WE DEFINITELY REVIEW THE PROCESS AGAIN. AND WHO KNOWS, MAYBE THE SECOND YEAR OR SOMETHING AND HICCUPS HAPPEN AND SOMETHING HAPPENS AND WE STILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE FOLLOWING CONTRACT PERIOD. UH, I'LL, OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYBODY ELSE? COUNCILMAN PRESLEY, ANYTHING? WELL, I MEAN, I'M STILL THINK FORMULATING MY COMMENTS HERE, MAYOR. I'LL SAY, I'LL SAY MINE. GO AHEAD. UM, MY, I I, I DO THINK MS. UH, MS. NCCO FOREGOING AND AT LEAST PULLING THIS ITEM, UM, I I, I EXPRESSED LAST MEETING I HAD SOME RESERVATIONS ON, ON HAVING, EVEN IF DON'T, REGARDLESS HOW, HOW, UM, HOW GOOD OF A SERVICE THEY PROVIDE. I SAW HAVE RESERVATIONS OF HAVING A ONE PERSON PROVIDER. UM, I LIKE HAVING SOMETHING IN RESERVE, LIKE YOU SAID, IF, IF THEY START NOT MEETING THOSE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, UH, IN A SENSE. UM, SO, UM, I STILL, I STILL THINK HAVING, UM, MORE THAN ONE BIDDER. I MEAN, IN, IN, IN SOME OF OUR LINE OF BUSINESSES, YOU CAN'T AWARD A CONTRACT WITH JUST ONE BIDDER. YOU GOTTA AT LEAST HAVE TWO TO MAKE IT A COMPETITIVE BID. AND THAT, THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT I HAD WITH THE PROCESS. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF A DECISION WAS MADE IN THE PAST AND, AND IT WAS APPROVED AND IT, IT IS A CONTRACT, BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY SAY THAT WHATEVER OUR PROCUREMENT PROCESS, UM, IN THE FUTURE WOULD BE FOR THESE TYPE OF, UH, CONTRACTS THAT YOU HAVE TWO BIDDERS, UNLESS IT'S SOME TYPE OF EXPERTISE OR SOLE SOURCE, UH, SITUATION. UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IN FACT THAT'S WHAT COUNCILMAN PRESLEY, I THINK ON SOME OTHER THINGS WE TALK ABOUT. YEAH. SOLE SOURCING AND, AND ONE BID, UH, OR HAVING ONLY ONE BIDDER. AND SO THAT'S MY RESERVATION ITSELF IS, IS HAVING ONE. I DON'T THINK MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE INTENT WHEN THE RFP CAME OUT WAS THAT IT WAS TO HAVE MULTIPLE PROVIDERS, NOT JUST ONE. SO, ANYWAY. WELL, I DO HAVE, I GUESS A QUESTION AND I'LL [03:30:01] MAKE A COMMENT. I'M JUST CURIOUS. SO CAN ANYONE SPEAK TO HOW DID, OR HOW DOES THE PRICING COMPARE THAT WE CURRENTLY PAY VERSUS THE PRICING THAT WE WERE PAYING WHEN THERE WAS A ROTATION ON A PER TOW BASIS? I MEAN, IS IT TRULY AS COMPETITIVE AS IT PREVIOUSLY WAS? OR ARE WE IN FACT PAYING A LOT MORE PER TOE? MM-HMM . CAN, CAN ANYBODY SPEAK TO THAT? I THOUGHT IT'S JUST SET PRICING. YEAH. SO AS IT RELATES TO THE CITY, UM, THE TOWS, LIKE THE ABANDONED VEHICLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT REMAIN FREE. UM, IN THE PAST, UM, THE, UM, THE ISSUES RELATED TO, UM, THE COST TO THE CITY WERE REALLY THE, THE STAFF, THE, THE, THE ISSUES WITH COMMUNICATIONS, THE ISSUES WITH THE POLICE BEING OUT, UM, AT THE SCENE UNDER THE CONTRACT ITSELF, UM, THEY DID NOT INCREASE THE, THE FEE TO THE CUSTOMER. IT REMAINED AT $150 PER TOW, WHICH THERE WAS A BIG PUSH WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE RFV AND LATER BID PROCESS BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED, THEY WANTED TO INCREASE MM-HMM . THE COST TO THE CUSTOMER. UM, AND WHEN THE BID CAME IN, IT CAME IN AT, AT THE FLAT $150. UM, WE HAD ALLOWED FOR, UH, A HIGHER FEE AS IT RELATED TO TRANSFER, THEY CAME IN LOWER, UH, WE HAD A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF WHAT WE CALLED AN ADMINISTRATIVE REFERRAL FEE. UM, THEY BID HIGHER, THE MINIMUM WAS THREE, THEY BID $4 AND 50 CENTS PER TOW. SO, UM, WE, WE DID MAKE SURE THAT WE REVIEWED THE REPORT AND INSTEAD OF EXPENDING ANY FEES, THE CITY WAS GIVEN, I THINK AN ESTIMATED AND, UM, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, $24,000 THAT WERE PUT BACK INTO THE CITY. WOW. SO IF YOU LOOK AT, IS IT COST EFFECTIVE FOR US? YES. MM-HMM . IS IT COST EFFECTIVE FOR THE CUSTOMER? MM-HMM . YES. ARE, ARE THERE, UH, SOFT COSTS THAT WE CAN'T REALLY CALCULATE FROM THE TIME OF THE POLICE OFFICER ON THE SCENE, THE ADMINISTRATIVE, THE 6,000 CALLS THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, THE 9 1 1 COMMUNICATIONS PEOPLE AREN'T DOING? YES, BUT I CAN'T REALLY TELL YOU WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE. OKAY. BUT IF IT WAS PUT OUT TO BID, I MEAN, SOMEONE COULD SAY THEY'LL DO IT FOR $148 A TOW, RIGHT? I MEAN, THEY, IT COULD GET COMPETITIVE IF THERE WERE MULTIPLE BIDDERS. SURE. I CAN'T ANSWER IT THAT QUESTION, MA'AM. THAT'S NOT MY AREA OF, OF EXPERTISE. WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT THE, THE NUMBERS THAT THEY GAVE US WERE LOWER THAN WHAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED. REMEMBER EVERYBODY ELSE WAS ASKING TO RAISE THE PRICE. OH YEAH. THEY SLAP A WHOLE DEAL TO GET IT TO GO UP. YEAH. HARD TO DO. THAT'S I AND IF WE FILL IT OUT BID, IT'LL COME BACK HIGHER. 150 U WAY. YES, SIR. WELL, SO THAT WAS MY QUESTION. SO I GUESS MY COMMENT IS, AND I'VE, I'VE SHARED THIS WITH ONE, ONE COLLEAGUE, SO I'M IN FAVOR RENEWING THE CONTRACT AND IT'S COMPETITIVE. AND I DON'T THINK NOW IS THE TIME TO, TO WADE BACK INTO THAT FIASCO. AND I CAN TELL YOU I DON'T HAVE ANY SYMPATHY FOR THE RINGLEADER OR TWO OR THREE MM-HMM . OF, OF THAT PROCESS. MM-HMM . HOWEVER, I I DO KNOW A SMALL FAMILY OWNED TOWING COMPANY NEAR TEXAS AVENUE AND IT'S A, A, A A WOMAN AND HER SON, AND IT'S THIS VERY SMALL MM-HMM . FAMILY BUSINESS. AND, UH, THE CITY TOES DID MEAN SOMETHING TO THEM. AND, AND THEY'RE VERY GOOD PEOPLE AND THEY MADE A MISTAKE WITH THE ADVICE THEY RECEIVED. AND, UH, SO I DO, I DO FEEL BAD IN THAT REGARD. SO I WOULD BE OPEN TO, EVEN IF IT'S SOME SORT OF LAUREN KNOWS THE RIGHT TERM, MINORITY AND WOMEN, DISADVANTAGED BUSINESS ENTERPRISE, OR IF THERE'S SOME SORT OF COMPONENT WHERE WE COULD POSSIBLY INCLUDE ONE OF OUR LOCAL SMALL BUSINESSES FOR A SMALL PIECE OF IT IN THE FUTURE, I WOULD ENTERTAIN SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT FOR TONIGHT MM-HMM. I'M, I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF PROCEEDING FORWARD TO THE CONTRACT. OKAY. MAYOR. YES. THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE PART OF THE SUPPLIER DIVERSITY PROGRAM THAT, THAT WE'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR. SO, OKAY. OKAY. WELL, AT LEAST WHEN IT COMES TO TOES, YOU'LL WAIT TWO YEARS TO DO THAT, TO SAY NO. YEAH. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? YES. YES. WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THIS, COUNCIL GAVE DIRECTIVES MM-HMM . TO RICK, CITY MANAGER. WE WANT TO ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE [03:35:01] HAVING WITH THIS RECORD SERVICE. OUR CITY CLERK NEEDS TO GO BACK TO DOING CITY CLERK STUFF AND NOT WRESTLING WITH RECORD STUFF AND NEEDS TO FALL UNDER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. OR IF THEY GET OUTTA HAND, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN FIRE THAT INDIVIDUAL AND WE CAN GET SOMEBODY ELSE. SO WE OFFERED THIS OUT TO BIDS, YOU KNOW HOW THAT TURNED OUT. MM-HMM . WE HAD ONE BID AT THAT TIME, IF I RECALL, WE WERE GONNA TAKE THREE OR FOUR MM-HMM . CONTRACTORS IN TO DO THIS. BUT YOU ONLY RECEIVED ONE BID. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ONE CONTRACTOR. SO NOW IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THIS GUY AND THINGS GET SKEWED AGAIN AND WE HAVE TO GET RID OF HIM, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY. SO I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK AND CONSIDER MAYBE WE NEED ANOTHER CONTRACTOR OR TWO OF THEM AS A BACKUP TO THIS. AND WE HAVE, OR SOMETHING. I CAN'T RECALL HOW WE HAD IT WORDED. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR FROM THE VERY BEGINNING THAT WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW. SO THIS BIG PIECE OF PUZZLE HERE IS MISSING ONE PIECE AND IT'S THAT SECONDARY CONTRACT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO CHASE. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THIS GUY HERE HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB. HE HAD A HICCUP AT FIRST, AND I THINK THE CHIEF STRAIGHTENED HIM OUT ON THAT. AND THEY'VE BEEN EXEMPLARY, EXEMPLARY SINCE THEN. SO THIS NEEDS TO GO FORWARD AND THEN WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT AND MOVE TOWARD A BACKUP CONTRACT TO SUPPORT THIS GUY. 'CAUSE HE PROVED ME WRONG. I DIDN'T THINK THEY COULD PULL THE TOES OFF ON, ESPECIALLY ON NEW YEAR'S EVE, AND THEY'VE DONE REAL WELL. MM-HMM . SO, UH, SO I, I WAS REALLY SURPRISED ABOUT THAT. BUT WE DO NEED TO BACK THAT UP A LITTLE BIT. THAT WAS THE DESIGN, THE ORIGINAL, I MEAN, THAT'S HAS BEEN MY RESERVATION. I DON'T LIKE US HAVING JUST ONE PROVIDER IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN. AND I, I GAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF HOW THAT COULD HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. I JUST DON'T WANNA BE IN THAT TYPE OF POSITION. YES. AND ALSO THIS IS, IF I RECALL, THIS IS ONLY FOR NON-CONSENT. YEP. NON-CON CONSENT TOES POLICE. YEAH. AND SO THAT'S WHEN THEY CAME UP HERE AND THEY TALKED TO US THAT THEY SAID IT WAS MAINLY THEIR MAIN BUSINESS, BUT ACTUALLY IT WAS ONLY ABOUT 10% OF THEIR BUSINESS. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. SO THIS IS ONLY FOR NON-CONSENT. YEAH. OKAY. ANYTHING, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I THINK, WELL THERE HAS BEEN TWO ARTICLES IN THE PAPER AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE VERY, UH, VOCIFEROUS LAST TIME. AND, AND WE, WE, I HAVEN'T HAD ANY CALLS AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT HERE TONIGHT, SO. YEP. OKAY. WE'RE GOOD? YEP. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEM, UH, IS IT SEVEN D. MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM SEVEN D SECOND. HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM IS PRESENTED, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. A AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. ITEM SEVEN E I'M ASSUMING [e. Consider an ordinance authorizing the first renewal of the Heavy-Duty Towing and Storage Services contract with Dan Wheeler Wrecker Services, Inc.] WE DON'T HAVE TO BELABOR THE DISCUSSION, SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEM SEVEN E AS PRESENTED APPROVE ITEM SEVEN E, SECOND, HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ITEM SEVEN E IS PRESENTED, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALRIGHT. WE WILL HAVE A MANAGER'S [9. MANAGER'S REPORT Notice is hereby given in accordance with Section 551.0415 of the Texas Government Code, the City Council of the City of Baytown may receive a report about items of community interest from City staff and/or a member of the City Council, but no action or possible action shall be taken or discussed concerning the subject of such report, except as provided by Section 551.042 of the Texas Government Code.] REPORT. I'M SURE WE'LL BE BRIEF. I WILL KEEP THIS UNDER 30 MINUTES. MAYOR AND COUNSEL. UH, I AM 25 MINUTES TO SABRINA, WHO'S WAITED HERE THE WHOLE TIME. OH MY GOD. UH, HE'S OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COORDINATOR AND UH, I'LL TALK TO YOU NEXT TIME. NOW THAT'S THE EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH. STAY HERE. THIS NO KIDDING. YOU GUYS NEED TO KEEP IT REALLY SHORT BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT. UM, SO OUR EMPOWERMENT GRANT PROGRAM OPENED THIS WEEK. OUR LETTER OF INTENT IS DUE NOVEMBER 20TH. OUR APPLICATION IS DUE DECEMBER 30TH. SO OUR LETTER OF INTENT IS JUST THERE SO THAT WE KNOW ORGANIZATIONS OR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WANT TO APPLY AND WE CAN WORK WITH THEM A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY OVER THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS. UM, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CATEGORIES WE CAN USE. UM, THEY CAN USE FOR THEIR APPLICATION, LIKE BEAUTIFICATION, NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY OR CONNECTING NEIGHBORS. I'M ALSO HERE TO HELP IN ANY WAY. SO IF YOU HAVE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE QUESTIONS OR WOULD LIKE TO MEET, I'M AVAILABLE. I AM REALLY GONNA KEEP IT BRIEF . SO UNLESS YOU NEED ANYTHING FROM ME THAT'S ABOUT IT. CAN, CAN YOU FORWARD YOUR INFORMATION FOR TO COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WAY? IS IT EASIER FOR US TO, WE'RE TAKING, SPEAKING WITH SOMEONE FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD TO SAY THIS IS THE POINT OF CONTACT? ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO US. ABSOLUTELY. YES MA'AM. JUST FOR REAL QUICK, CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR NEW ROLE. OH, THANK YOU. ALSO, MARY, SEND 'EM TO BAYTOWN ENGAGE.COM. UH, HER CONTACT INFO IS ON THERE AND THEY CAN LEARN MORE ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND SORTS OF OTHER STUFF. BAYTOWN ENGAGE.COM WAS CREATED BY SABRINA, DID AN AMAZING JOB. OKAY. SEND US SOME INFORMATION AGAIN. WE HAVE IT, PLEASE. YES. ONCE AGAIN WE GET THAT. WE'LL GET THAT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, THANK YOU. NO, BUT I THINK IT'S GREAT. I THINK I HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING. I THINK, UH, ONE NEIGHBORHOOD, GLEN MEADOWS AND I THINK ALSO OAK CONDITION, UH, OAKWOOD, UH, IS ALSO, I THINK THEY'RE ALREADY ENGAGED WITH SABRINA. UH, FANTASTIC. AND SO, UH, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY GOOD. THIS IS CERTAINLY THE INTENT OF THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM. SO WITH THAT, UH, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? YOU WERE GONNA MAKE SOME COMMENTS ON THAT, UH, CONSENT, BUT YOU FORGOT. I'M ACTUALLY, I'M ACTUALLY, UM, HAPPY THAT THIS IS FINALLY, ARE YOU A HAPPY CAMPER? ? I'M A HAPPY CAMPER. I AM EXCITED [03:40:01] THAT THIS IS FINALLY MOVING FORWARD. AND WHEN WE WENT OUT TO TALK TO THE RESIDENTS THAT NIGHT, I WAS EXPECTING 10 TO 15 AND IT WAS MORE LIKE 30 TO 40 RESIDENTS. THEY ARE EXTREMELY EXCITED. GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . SO BEING THAT THE, UH, BAYTOWN CITY COUNCIL ADDRESSED, ALL POSTED AND AGENDA ITEMS, THIS MEETING IS NOW ADJOURNED. WOW. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.