* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:20] SO I'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO THE BAYTOWN CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION ORDER. IT IS THURSDAY, OCTOBER 8TH. WE ARE, UH, IT'S 5:33 PM WE ARE IN BAYTOWN CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. WE HAVE ITEM ONE [a. Discuss the Towing and Storage Services for the City of Baytown.] A, DISCUSS THE TOWING AND STORAGE SERVICES FOR THE CITY OF BAYTOWN POLICE CHIEF OR MISS, MISS CITY CLERK. WE'VE GOT A TAG TEAM. WE'RE IN TAG TEAM. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. UM, I'M ONLY GONNA TAKE THE FIRST FEW SLIDES OF OUR PRESENTATION TODAY, MORE FROM THE WHAT HAS BEEN DONE, AND THE CHIEF IS GOING TO TAKE, UH, THE LEAD IN DESCRIBING THE EFFICIENCIES AND, AND HIS PERSPECTIVE ON, UM, THE TOW, UH, AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE CURRENTLY. SO, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. UH, WE STARTED LOOKING AT, UH, BECOMING MARKET PARTICIPANTS IN 2018. IF YOU REMEMBER, IN 2015, THE TOW TRUCK COMMITTEE, UH, MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL TO GO TO A MARKET PARTICIPANT AND NOT REGULATORY AS IT HAD BEEN FOR THE LAST 10 PLUS YEARS. UM, WE BROUGHT IT FORTH TO THE COUNCIL. COUNSEL ASKED US TO DO AN RFP. UH, WE WENT IN THAT DIRECTION. AND IN 2018, THAT TRANSITION HAPPENED ON OCTOBER 25TH, 2018, THROUGH, UH, ORDINANCE 13,932. WE DID THE REGULAR, UH, TOWING AND, UH, SERVICES AND OWING STORAGE SERVICES FOR THE REGULAR ROTATION LIST. AND THEN WE DID 13,933, WHICH WAS THE ACCEPTANCE OF, UH, A TOWING AGREEMENT FOR HEAVY DUTY SERVICES AND STORAGE SERVICES AS WELL. UM, FOR THE REGULAR, UM, DUTY, WE WENT WITH, UM, BAYTOWN WRECKER SERVICES INC. AND WITH THE HEAVY DUTY WE DID DAN WHEELER, UH, WRECKER SERVICES INC. SO, UM, MOVING FROM THE REGULATORY TO THE MARKET PARTICIPATION SYSTEM, IF YOU REMEMBER, THE REGULATORY WAS MANAGED BY OUR ORDINANCE. IT HAD TO BE PERMITTED IF, UH, THE COMPANY, UM, MET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF OUR ORDINANCE. WE WERE REQUIRED TO ALLOW THEM TO, UH, FUNCTION, UH, WITHIN OUR CITY. IT WAS, UM, VERY ADMINISTRATIVELY TEDIOUS FOR US IN THE SENSE THAT WE HAD A TOW TRUCK COMMITTEE MADE UP OF CITIZENS. WE HAD THE MUNICIPAL COURT WHERE ALL APPEALS WENT TO. THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE HANDLED THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE PERMITTING AND THE RE REGULATION OF IT. AND THEN, OF COURSE, BECAUSE WE HAD SUBSTANTIAL COMPLAINTS AND LEGAL ISSUES, OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT WAS, UH, WITH US EVERY STEP OF THE WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WE WERE DOING WAS WITHIN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR ORDINANCE AND WITH STATE LAW. AND AT THE BASE OF IT IS OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS OUR MAIN USER IN BOTH THE REGULATORY AND THE MARKET PARTICIPATION. AND WE DID THE LITTLE SEESAW. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE REGULATORY SYSTEM HAD ALL OF THESE DEPARTMENTS INVOLVED. WHILE THE MARKET PARTICIPATION REALLY ONLY IS MANAGED BY THE END USER, WHICH IS OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO FOR COMPLAINTS AND VIOLATIONS, WE WENT AHEAD AND DID A BLACK BELT. WHEN WE WERE WORKING THROUGH THE BID AND RF THE RFP PROCESS, AND WITH A VIOLATION OR A COMPLAINT, WE HAD UP TO 45 STEPS. ANY, AT ANY GIVEN TIME. IF AN ERROR OCCURRED OR, UH, AN ISSUE HAPPENED, WE WOULD HAVE TO START OVER, UH, IN DEALING WITH A VIOLATION OR A COMPLAINT TOO, FROM THE BEGINNING TO THE END. YOU WERE LOOKING AT SIX TO NINE MONTHS TO GET A FINAL, A FINAL ANSWER WHERE WE COULD DEAL WITH THE ISSUE AT HAND. THROUGH THE MARKET PARTICIPATION PROCESS, WE'VE GONE FROM 45 PLUS STEPS TO FIVE STEPS. AGAIN, ALL OF THOSE BEING HANDLED WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHO IS THE END USER AND THE CUSTOMER FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION. AND IT'S GONE AGAIN FROM 45 STEPS TO FIVE STEPS. AND INSTEAD OF SIX TO NINE MONTHS TO HANDLE A FINAL DECISION ON A COMPLAINT OR A VIOLATION, THEY'RE HANDLED ALMOST INSTANTANEOUSLY OR WITHIN A FEW HOURS. AND WITH THAT, I'M GONNA LET THE CHIEF KIND OF TAKE OVER. YOU WANT ME TO PUSH? I WILL TAKE, I I WILL PUSH. YOU GO. EXCELLENT. YES. EXCELLENT. OKAY. UM, YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS SLIDE THE NUMBER OF VIOLATIONS OR COMPLAINTS THAT WERE GENERATED UNDER THE OLD SYSTEM. AND COMPARE IT TO THE NEW SYSTEM. UH, THE NEW SYSTEM, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAD, UH, THREE COMPLAINTS, UH, THE FIRST, UH, I GUESS OPERATION, FIRST PART OF THE, THE CONTRACT. AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE, ANYTIME YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOMETHING NEW, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME ISSUES AND CONCERNS. THE, UH, AND THOSE ARE THE FOUNDED COMPLAINTS. THERE WERE SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT HAD COME UP. UH, MOST OF THOSE [00:05:01] WERE, UH, UH, FROM PEOPLE THAT JUST KIND OF WANTED THE SYSTEM TO FAIL. AND THEY WERE UNFOUNDED COMPLAINTS. BUT, UH, IN THESE COMPLAINTS, THEY WERE REALLY KIND OF MINOR, AND THEY WERE RESOLVED VERY QUICKLY. UH, ONE OF THEM WAS, UH, LIKE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT PUT KITTY LITTER DOWN ON A HAZMAT, UH, SPILL. AND THE RECORD COMPANY OR THE RECORD DRIVER WAS UNSURE THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO SWEEP THAT UP, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT WAS A HAZMAT MATERIAL. BUT WE RESOLVED THAT RIGHT AWAY, UH, WITH THAT COMPLAINT. AND THE, UH, DRIVER WAS EDUCATED, UH, ABOUT IT. AND IT'S THE SAME THING WITH THE OTHER COUPLE OF COMPLAINTS. THERE WAS A, A BRIEF EDUCATION AND PROBLEM WAS RESOLVED. UH, IT WAS NOT A NINE MONTH PROCESS TO TRY TO GET SOME RESOLUTION. WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, TAKE CARE OF IT IMMEDIATELY. AND THEN, UH, IN THE 1920, WE HAD, UH, ONE COMPLAINT, UH, FOR THE NUMBER OF TOES. UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, THEY'VE REMAINED FAIRLY CONSISTENT, UH, OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME. UH, AND, UH, THE, UH, REGULAR TOES ARE GONNA BE THE, UH, THE TALLER, LARGER NUMBER. AND SO, EVEN WITH, YOU KNOW, THAT AMOUNT OF TOES, WE'VE HAD VERY, VERY LITTLE, UH, ISSUES OR PROBLEMS. AND I TELL YOU, IT'S BEEN A DREAM TO GO TO THIS NEW SYSTEM VERSUS HAVING TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS THAT WE, UH, INCURRED AS A, AS A CUSTOMER, UH, USING THEM BEFORE, ESPECIALLY, UH, THE SERVICES THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR THE, UH, CITIZENS OF BAYTOWN, UH, ON THEIR HONEST, A SCENE. UH, THE RUNTIME VIOLATIONS, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAD, UH, ONE UNDER THE NEW SYSTEM AT THE, AT THE VERY BEGINNING. UH, WE ALSO CHANGED THE RUNTIME FROM, UH, 30 MINUTES TO 25 MINUTES UNDER THIS NEW SYSTEM TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT BETTER SERVICE. BUT PRETTY MUCH ALL THE, UH, SERVICE PROVIDERS WERE THERE UNDER 25 MINUTES. SO IT REALLY WASN'T A HUGE ISSUE, BUT IT JUST KIND OF GETS THEM ON THE BALL OF, OF GETTING THERE ON TIME. AND THEN WE DID HAVE RUNTIME VIOLATIONS UNDER THE OLD SYSTEM. THE, UH, NUMBER OF PASSES IS, IS SIGNIFICANT. UH, AND THAT WAS A NIGHTMARE. UH, THEY'D BE, UH, UNDER THE OLD SYSTEM, UH, DRIVERS WOULD PASS FOR WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER UNIMPORTANT OR UN UH, I GUESS SIGNIFICANT REASONS. UH, THEY'D, THEY'D WANT TO PASS BECAUSE THEY HAD TO GO TO THE GROCERY STORE OR THEY PASSED BECAUSE THEY, UH, HAD TO TAKE SOMEBODY TO THE DOCTOR. AND SO, BUT THEY WOULD PASS QUITE OFTEN BY, YOU KNOW, STILL BEING ON THE LIST, THINKING THEY CAN GET THEIR CHORE DONE BEFORE THEY HAD TO GET THERE. AND SO THEY'D WAIT LIKE 25 MINUTES AND THEN THEY'D SAY, YOU KNOW, I NEED TO PASS 'CAUSE I'M, I'M TIED UP ON THAT. AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO DISPATCH ANOTHER COMPANY, AND THEN THEY'D HAVE A 30 MINUTE WINDOW TO GET THERE. SO YOU'RE OUT THERE ON A WRECK OR A SCENE, UH, OF SOME SORT WHERE YOU'RE BLOCKING A ROADWAY, WAITING AN HOUR FOR THE ROADWAY TO GET CLEARED, WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM AT ALL RIGHT NOW. UH, DISPATCH ERRORS, DUE TO THE CONFUSION OF THE ROTATION SYSTEM, UH, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ERRORS THROUGH DISPATCH BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE SERVICE TO CALL AND THEY, THEY SEND, UH, SEND THE RECORDS THE AMOUNT OF RECORDS, UH, THAT WE NEED. UNDER THE OLD ONE, THE CONFUSION WAS WHERE A RECORD COMPANY WOULD PULL THEM THEMSELVES OFF THE LIST, AND THEN THEY'D BE WANT TO PUT BACKUP ON THE LIST. AND, UH, IT WAS VERY CONFUSING TO TRACK ALL THE DIFFERENT COMPANIES THAT WERE ON THE LIST AND, UH, MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAD 'EM IN THE RIGHT ORDER, UH, FIGURING OUT WHICH ONE TO CALL, UH, ON THE LIST, BECAUSE IT WAS, IT WAS PRETTY CONFUSING. UH, AND, AND THIS NEW SYSTEM, IT'S JUST REALLY A, A JOY TO, TO WORK ON, ON THAT WITH THE ONE SYSTEM. UM, THE, UH, WORKLOAD THAT THE OTHER SYSTEM CREATED. AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT WAS JUST THE NUMBER OF CALLS FROM THE WRECKER COMPANIES, UH, WANTING TO BE REMOVED FROM THE ROTATION LIST OR ADDED TO THE ROT ROTATION LIST OVER 6,700 CALLS TO THE 9 1 1 CENTER TO BE REMOVED FROM THE LIST, OR ADDED TO LIST, WHICH ADDED TO THAT CONFUSION OF, YOU KNOW, WHO'S ON THE LIST. THEY, THEY'D ALSO CALL, UH, WHICH AREN'T LISTED FOR THINGS LIKE, WELL, HOW MANY MORE BEFORE I GO, I'M UP FOR, UM, A ROTATION. YOU KNOW, DO I HAVE TIME TO GO DO SOMETHING HERE? UH, AM I GONNA GET CALLED BEFORE 10 O'CLOCK? YOU KNOW, WEIRD, YOU KNOW, CALLS LIKE THAT, WHICH WE HAVEN'T HAD TO DEAL WITH ANY OF THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE OTHER NIGHT, UH, WHEN I WAS, UH, DRIVING, UH, FOR THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, UH, ANOTHER ASSISTANT CHIEF AND I ROLLED UP ON A MAJOR ACCIDENT AT CEDAR BIO LYNCHBURG, AND I WAS ABLE TO JUST GET ON THE RADIO AND SAY, SEND ME THE TWO WRECKERS. AND SO I HAD THE WRECKERS EN ROUTE, AND THEN THE OFFICERS WERE EN ROUTE, THE AMBULANCES EN ROUTE, AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY [00:10:01] ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PULLING PEOPLE OFF FOR ROTATIONS OR PUTTING THEM BACK ON. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BE, OTHERWISE, YOU'RE GONNA BE GETTING TWO DIFFERENT COMPANIES SHOWING UP. AND ONE NICE THING ABOUT THE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE AT NOW, I KNOW THERE WAS A CONCERN INITIALLY ABOUT WHETHER THEY'D HAVE ENOUGH, UH, TOW TRUCKS, UH, WRECKERS TO HANDLE THE WORK. AND WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY ISSUES WITH THAT. UH, THEY'VE, UH, HAD PLENTY OF WRECKERS AND WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE VEHICLE ACCIDENTS IS IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF TOWN. WE'VE HAD WEATHER RELATED, UH, ANOMALIES GOING ON. UM, PEOPLE SEEM TO LIKE TO CRASH BEFORE THE STORM, LIKE TODAY, YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU GET ANYTHING THEY WANT TO, THEY DON'T WANNA DO IT WHEN IT'S IN CLEMENT WEATHER, SO THEY'LL START CRASHING EARLY. BUT, UH, IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO MEET ALL OF OUR NEEDS, UH, TOWING PRISONERS, VEHICLES OR WHATEVER WE'VE NEEDED THEM TO DO. AND, UH, I, I VERIFIED THIS WITH, UH, MY COMMUNICATION STAFF AND, UH, MY DIRECTORS UP THERE SAID, MY STAFF AND I LOVE THIS RECORD CONTRACT SYSTEM. AND THEN WITH THE HEAVY DUTY, UH, TOWS, IT'S BEEN WORKING, UH, GREAT FOR THAT TOO. SO, UH, WE'RE REALLY PLEASED WITH THE SYSTEM. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD RECOMMEND RENEWING THE, UH, CONTRACT. 'CAUSE THAT'S IS GONNA BE YOUR NEXT STEPS. UH, ON OCTOBER 22ND, CONSIDER THE RENEWAL OF BOTH THE TOWING AND STORAGE SERVICE AGREEMENTS AND THE HEAVY DUTY TOWING AND STORAGE SERVICE AGREEMENTS. AND, UH, THAT'S COMING UP RIGHT AROUND THE BEND. BUT, UH, AS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE'RE VERY PLEASED BEING THE, THE PRIMARY USER FOR THIS SYSTEM. QUESTIONS. OKAY. SO YOU HEARD FROM THE CITY CLERK AND, AND THE POLICE CHIEF. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING, I GUESS, OUR PRESENTATION OR ANY OF THE MATERIAL? YES, SIR. WHERE DO WE HAVE THE STORAGE AT? STORAGE IS UP ON NORTH MAIN 52. 22. 52 22 NORTH MAIN. OKAY. AND, AND WHAT DO WE DO WITH INW IN BAYTOWN? OKAY. AND WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE TOW TRUCK COMMITTEE? IT'S DISSOLVED. THERE IS NO COMMITTEE. OKAY. RIGHT NOW, IF THERE'S A, UH, A COMPLAINT, A CONCERN OR AN ISSUE, IT COMES TO, UH, CORPORAL ISGA, WHO'S MY AIDE. AND, UH, HE JUST PICKS UP THE PHONE AND IT'S USUALLY PRETTY MUCH RESOLVED AT THAT POINT IN TIME. AS SOON AS WE, UH, GET THE INFORMATION, IF THERE IS A, UH, DISAGREEMENT, THEN UH, THEY WOULD APPEAL TO ME, UH, AND I WOULD BE THE FINAL SAYER IN THAT. THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY WE WANTED IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I GOT A COMMENT. YES, SIR. I REMEMBER ALL THE PAIN AND AGONY WE WENT THROUGH ON THIS DEAL. MM-HMM . AND I REMEMBER ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WENT UP TO THE PODIUM AND SPOKE, REMEMBER THOSE DAYS? MM-HMM . AND HOW WRONG THEY ALL WERE. I JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT PUBLICLY, , THEY GOT IT WRONG AND WE GOT IT RIGHT. 100%. I'VE NEVER SEEN A FLIP LIKE THIS IN MY CAREER, IN BUSINESS OR ON THIS COUNCIL. AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT I, I AM AMAZED AT THE DIFFERENCE AND THAT WE NEED TO RENEW THAT THING. ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. WE NEED TO REWARD THAT COMPANY THAT DID IT RIGHT TOO. YOU KNOW, IN MY OPINION. SO, ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? I HAVE, I HAVE SOME OF YOU NOT. SO MY, MY PERSPECTIVE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. I'M GONNA TAKE THIS OFF FOR A SECOND JUST SO THAT PEOPLE CAN HEAR ME A LITTLE BIT CLEARER. UM, I DO, I I DO LIKE THE, THE, UH, COMMENTS FROM DISPATCH. OBVIOUSLY WE ARE NOT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE ROTATION AND ALL THE MULTIPLE CALLS THAT COME IN TO, TO GO, UH, FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHO'S ON THE LIST. TAKE ME OFF. UM, I GUESS I ONLY HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. FIRST WOULD BE, UM, SO WE KNOW THAT WE REDUCED THE RUN THE, UH, RESPONSE TIME FROM 30 MINUTES TO 25, AND WE KNOW THAT WE, AND AS EXPRESSED, WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE GETTING THERE IN OTHER THAN ONE TIME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT MM-HMM . THAT THEY'RE GETTING THERE UNDER THE 25 MINUTES. WHAT IS, ARE WE MEASURING THAT OR WE CONTINUING TO MEASURE THAT? YES. IS THAT A METRIC IN THIS CONTRACT? YES. SO WE MEASURING, WE DO CONTINUE TO MEASURE IT, YES. OKAY. AND THAT'S FINE. AND THEN, LIKE YOU MENTIONED PASSES, WHICH I THINK THERE WAS ZERO, BUT OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S A MONOPOLY WITH ONLY ONE PROVIDER, I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU WOULD PASS TO. THAT'S, THAT'S THE QUESTION I HAD WHEN WE MET. WELL, YOU KNOW, IF THEY COULDN'T, IF THEY COULDN'T PROVIDE THE SERVICE, THEY'LL SAY WE COULDN'T BE HERE AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WILL NEED TO CONTACT ANOTHER COMPANY TO COME FOR US, WHICH THEY CAN DO IN PART OF THE CONTRACT IF THEY CAN'T FULFILL IT. AND THEY HAVE NOT HAD TO DO THAT. YEAH. SO WE WOULD'VE NO PASSES, BUT THERE IS NO RIGHT. BUT THEY COULD PASS, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET THE, THE OTHER COMPANY TO COME THAT'S IN THE CONTRACT. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND. HOW WOULD, WHAT OTHER COMPANY, THERE IS ONLY ONE COMPANY THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S CONFUS NO, THEY COULD, THEY COULD CALL ANOTHER RESOURCE TO COME AS PART OF THE CONTRACT OR THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT YES. AS A BACKUP. SO THEY'RE TRULY, THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO HANDLE WORKLOAD 100% MM-HMM . CORRECT. SO, AND THAT, THAT JUST, UH, ALLUDES TO MY, MY LAST QUESTION WOULD BE MAINLY ON THE VEHICLE STORAGE FACILITY. SO LAST YEAR, UH, [00:15:01] I WILL SAY I'VE DEALT WITH TOW TRUCKS SINCE 2005. AND, AND BELIEVE ME, IT, IT HAS BEEN CERTAINLY CHALLENGING, RIGHT? THE TOW TRUCK COMMITTEE AND SO ON. UM, MY CONCERN IS FROM A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, UH, WHEN THIS CONTRACT WAS APPROVED, I GUESS IN 2018, UM, YOU KNOW, I HEARD FROM THE ATTORNEY AT THE TIME THAT WAS HANDLING IT, THEY TALKED ABOUT A RESERVE CONTRACT. YOU KNOW, MAYBE HAVING THAT, THAT ADDITIONAL LAYER OF, OF, UM, IF FOR SOME REASON THAT THIS PROVIDER CANNOT EITHER MEET CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS OR ANYTHING HAPPENED, I WOULD HATE FOR US TO BE, UH, IN A, IN A SITUATION THAT WE COULDN'T PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, IMMEDIATELY ASSISTANCE TO WHEN THERE'S AN ACCIDENT OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE FOR THE CITY INITIATED TOWS. MY CONCERN IS LAST YEAR, UM, I THINK I HAVE IT UP, UH, I THINK I LOOKED TODAY AT, YOU KNOW, TDLR, THIS SPECIFIC VEHICLE STORAGE FACILITY IS UNDER PROBATION LAST YEAR. THEY'RE ON PROBATION FOR A YEAR. THEY'RE STILL CURRENTLY ON, UNDER A THREE YEAR PROBATION. THAT IS WHAT MY CONCERN WOULD BE, WOULD BE IF THIS PROVIDER, IF FOR SOME REASON TDLR REVOKED THEIR LICENSE OF THE VEHICLE STORAGE FACILITY, THEY CANNOT PICK UP VEHICLES FROM THE CITY OF BAYTOWN. SO MY CONCERN HAS ALWAYS BEEN FROM DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY, AND I KNOW I SPOKE WITH LEGAL A LITTLE BIT, BUT IF FOR SOME REASON YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THIS, THIS ONE VENDOR THAT IS ON PROBATION WITH TDLR, IF THEY WERE TO LOSE THEIR LICENSE, THEN WE WOULD BE IN THAT SITU. WE COULD BE IN THAT SITUATION IMMEDIATELY, OVERNIGHT. I'LL, I'LL DEFER TO LEGAL. SO IN THAT CASE, IF THEY COULD NOT STORE THE VEHICLES, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TO FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TOO. IT WOULD BE AN EMERGENCY SITUATION. SO WE'D BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND FIND SOMEBODY AND THEN WE'D GO OUT FOR BIDS AND, AND FIND A STORAGE FACILITY. OKAY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT TDLR AND ANYBODY CAN GO JUST LIKE I DID AND, AND LOOK AT THE COMP, UH, I WOULD CALL 'EM, I'M NOT SURE THESE ARE COMPLAINTS. THESE ARE ACTUAL, UM, LOOK LIKE THESE ARE VIOLATIONS OR ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS FROM TDLR TO, UM, THE VENDOR THAT WE'RE USING. SO IN PARTICULAR LAST AUGUST, THEY, THEY GOT PUT ON PROBATION. UM, WHAT CONCERNS ME MORE IS THE BASIS OF THAT ORDER, WHAT IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT RESPONDENT WAS PERFORM, PERFORMED OPERATIONS WITHOUT HONESTY, TR TRUSTWORTHINESS AND INTEGRITY. NOW THAT MAY NOT BEEN ON AN, AS A CITY INITIATED TOW, BUT FOR TDLR TO MAKE THAT TYPE OF STATEMENT IS CONCERNING TO ME. MM-HMM . I THINK PREVIOUS TO THAT, I THINK THERE WAS A, A NEARLY A $4,000 FINE ON THAT PARTICULAR ORDER. AND THEN IN FEBRUARY, FEBRUARY, 2019, THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL $4,000 FINE. I THINK IT HAD TO DO WITH THE VEHICLE'S OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION TO TRANSFER THE VEHICLE TO AN UNREGULATED BODY SHOP, WHICH THAT WAS ALWAYS THE BIGGEST FLY IN THE OINTMENT BETWEEN TOW TRUCKS AND BODY SHOPS. THAT REALLY WAS THE ROOT CAUSE WAS STEER WHAT THEY CALL STEERING. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL IT. WHEN A TOW TRUCK OPERATOR WILL PICK UP A VEHICLE FROM A CITY INITIATED TOW, TAKE IT TO THEIR STORAGE FACILITY, SOMETIMES BREAK IT DOWN, MAYBE SOMETIMES JUSTIFIED, SOMETIMES NOT. AND THEN OUR CITIZENS WOULD GET THIS, THIS BILL NOT JUST FOR THE TOW, BUT FOR THE ADDITIONAL WORK THAT MAY HAVE TO BEEN DONE. SO THAT'S WHAT REALLY GAVE, GAVE THE WHOLE PROGRAM A REALLY, REALLY BAD, YOU KNOW, UH, WE, WE CAN'T CONTROL TOWS THAT ARE NOT, ARE BEYOND OUR CONTRACT. RIGHT. AND SO, BUT WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE TOES THAT ARE WITHIN OUR CONTRACT. NO, AND THAT'S FINE. LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF THESE ARE SPECIFIC, BUT FOR TDLR TO MAKE THOSE TYPE OF STATEMENTS, I JUST WANT COUNSEL TO BE AWARE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE REGULATORY, UM, AGENCY FOR ALL AGENCIES IN TEXAS. I UNDERSTAND. BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, TOES THAT ARE BEYOND OUR CONTRACT, I, WE DON'T CONTROL THOSE. THAT'S WHAT TDLR DOES. AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO FULFILL OUR CONTRACT, THEN WE WILL HAVE TO GO ANOTHER, ANOTHER ROUTE. BUT I APPRECIATE IT. AND SO THAT, AND THAT'S FINE. I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. UH, I WOULD TOTALLY AGREE THAT THE NIGHT AND DAY AS FAR AS COMPLAINTS AND CALL VOLUME TO DISPATCH, UH, I LIKE THE IDEA THERE'S NO, THERE, THERE'S NOTHING EASIER THAN HAVING ONE NUMBER FOR OUR OFFICERS ON THE SCENE TO SAY, JUST SEND ME, SEND ME FOUR, SEND ME THREE, OR WHATEVER. CORRECT. WE WERE ON THE SCENE WITH YOU THE OTHER NIGHT WHEN WE SAID SEND ME TWO AND WE NEEDED IT. AND SO, UH, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO PUT OUT THERE. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT'S, UH, COUNSEL'S DECISION ON, ON HOW WE HANDLE THIS CONTRACT MOVING FORWARD. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES, CHARLES, GO AHEAD. BASED OFF OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA END UP LOOKING FOR A BACKUP PLAN WHEN IT COMES TO A STORAGE FACILITY. IF I DO REMEMBER CORRECTLY, EVERY TOW TRUCK OPERATOR THAT CAME IN HERE HAD SOME TYPE OF VIOLATION AGAINST THEM. STATEWIDE STATE WAS SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT WE SEE ON TDLR, [00:20:01] I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE DO LOOK FOR ANOTHER STORAGE FACILITY THAT WE NOT FIND ONE THAT HAS VIOLATIONS OR THAT ARE PUT ON PROBATION, I'M ALMOST WILLING TO BET YOU WON'T FIND ONE. WE WON'T FIND ONE. IT IS JUST, THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF THE BEAST AND DEALING WITH TOW TRUCKS. YEP. UM, IF THEY WERE PUT ON PROBATION FOR A YEAR AND THEY MADE IT THROUGH AND THEY WERE PUT ON PROBATION FOR ANOTHER THREE YEARS, UM, I LIKE TO SEE THE BACKSTORY TO WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT ANY OTHER STORAGE FACILITY, I LIKE TO KNOW THE BACKSTORY ON THEIR VIOLATIONS ALSO. UM, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION, I THINK WE DO NEED THAT INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A, UM, AN EDUCATED DECISION ON BEHALF OF OUR CITIZENS. YES, SIR. I JUST, JUST A QUICK QUESTION CHIEF. SO I DID HAVE A COUPLE OF CALLS A WHILE BACK, GRANTED LONG AGO ACTUALLY, UM, HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY IN THE LAST 6, 8, 9 MONTHS, MAYBE EVEN A YEAR. BUT THE, THE CALLS THE COUPLE, JUST TWO POSSIBLY THAT I HAD, IT WAS REPORTED OR PURPORTED THAT THEY WERE OUT OF STORAGE ROOM AND THEY WERE STORING SOME VEHICLES ACROSS THE STREET AT THE SCHOOL OR NEAR THE SCHOOL PROPERTY AND THEY HAD TO TAKE A FORKLIFT ACROSS THE NORTH MAIN AND, AND IT WOULD SHUT TRAFFIC DOWN. IS THERE ANY TRUTH TO THAT OR IS THAT JUST HEARSAY AND NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT INCORRECT. REMEMBER? SO, UM, WE ARE AWARE THAT THE COMPANY PRIOR TO THE OWNERSHIP, PRIOR TO THIS ONE DID HAVE A COMPLAINT THAT DEALT WITH THAT. AND THE TOW TRUCK COMMITTEE, UH, REVOKED HIM. AND AFTER TWO APPEALS WE MANAGED TO, UH, PUSH THEM OFF OF THE ROTATION LIST. UM, IN THE CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, THE NEGOTIATIONS, THE POLICE CHIEF WAS VERY CLEAR ABOUT THE BEHAVIOR THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTED AND NOT ACCEPTED UNDER THIS CONTRACT. AND HE WAS TOLD THAT HE WAS GOING TO BE, UM, HE WAS GONNA BE LOOKED AT WITH A, A MICROSCOPE FOR EVERY SINGLE THING THAT WAS DONE WITH THE COMPANY, UM, AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE, OF THE CONTRACT. SO, UM, IF SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED, IT HAS NOT BEEN REPORTED TO US AS IT BEING, UM, UH, A POLICE INITIATED NON-CONSENT TOW. OKAY. SO WE, WE DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW OF ANYTHING LIKE THAT THEN. CORRECT. WE HAVE NOT BEEN EMPLOYED. NOT SINCE THE CONTRACT. OKAY. NOT IN THE CONTRACT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE [b. Discuss a proposed residential development south of FM1942 and east of Garth Road.] ON TO ITEM ONE B, DISCUSS THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SOUTH OF FM PORT, UH, 1942 AND EAST OF GARTH ROAD, MS. JEWELRY. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. UH, JUST GONNA GIVE A, A QUICK BACKGROUND 'CAUSE I KNOW WE'RE KIND OF RUNNING A LITTLE BIT SHORT ON TIME. UM, SENT Y'ALL AN EMAIL EARLIER THIS WEEK, JUST KIND OF FOR SOME BACKGROUND. WE DO HAVE, UM, A NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS THAT ARE KIND OF, UM, LOOKING TO POTENTIALLY COME IN HERE IN THE FUTURE. AND SO KIND OF WANTED TO RESET THE STAGE. IT'S BEEN A LITTLE WHILE SINCE WE'VE HAD ONE COME IN. UM, JUST KIND OF A A REMINDER, THE WAY WE TYPICALLY HANDLE THE PROCESS FOR ANY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPER LOOKING TO UTILIZE A MUD OR A PI IS THAT WE HAVE THEM COME IN, UM, BEFORE ANY NEGOTIATIONS, BEFORE ANYTHING OFFICIAL TAKES PLACE, AND HAVE THEM PRESENT THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO YOU ALL AND LETS YOU PROVIDE COMMENTS, LET YOU KIND OF SEE, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S AT, WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING, AND PROVIDE THAT FEEDBACK BEFORE WE START WORKING WITH THEM. UM, IN THIS CASE, THIS IS A PROJECT, UM, JUST SOUTH OF 1942 EAST OF GARTH. UM, THEY DO HAVE A, WHAT WE CALL A PAPER MUD, WHICH MEANS IT WAS LEGISLATIVELY APPROVED, BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO GET ANOTHER LEVEL OF CONSENT FROM CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE IT ACTUALLY HAPPEN. SO, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'LL REMEMBER FROM CHAMBERS COUNTY MUD THREE A FEW MONTHS BACK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A PROCESS WE GO THROUGH ONCE THIS STARTS TO BECOME CLOSER TO OFFICIAL IN TERMS OF A CONSENT, WE DO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, A UTILITY AGREEMENT, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. BUT WANTED TO START TODAY WITH JUST LETTING THEM COME UP AND PRESENT THE PROJECT, LET Y'ALL ASK QUESTIONS AND, UM, LET THEM ANSWER THOSE AND KIND OF TALK ABOUT WHAT THE NEXT STEPS MIGHT BE. SO, UM, WITH THAT, THE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY IN THIS CASE IS FOUR STAR AND I'M GONNA WELCOME UP, UH, JUSTINE FROM FOUR STAR AND SHE WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THEIR PROJECT. HI, GOOD EVENING. HI, MAYOR. MAYOR, COUNCIL, THANKS FOR HAVING ME. UM, I'M JUSTINE KLINK. [00:25:01] I'M WITH FOUR STAR. SO I WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AND PRESENT WHAT I HOPE TO BE AS THE FIRST OF MANY PROJECTS AND IN TURN, PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE CITY OF BAYTOWN. UM, WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS A PRESENTATION ADDRESSING WHO WE ARE, UM, AND WHAT WE HOPE TO DEVELOP BASED ON SEVERAL MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH STAFF. AND, UM, WE PUT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY ON OUR CONTRACT ALMOST A YEAR AGO. AND SO, UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH LAND PLAN, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS. UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT, HOPEFULLY WE CAN WORK THROUGH OVER THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, 90 DAYS TO ADDRESS ANY POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE. AND, UM, HOPEFULLY WE CAN MOVE TOWARDS CLOSING IN DECEMBER AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY. SO, UM, I'LL START WITH WHO WE ARE AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AND, UH, WELL, WHO WE ARE. AND I'VE BEEN WITH THE COMPANY SINCE 2006 AND I'VE BEEN IN HOUSTON SINCE 2009. BUT, UH, FOUR STAR DEVELOPS WHAT COMMUNITIES INTO PLACES WE LIKE TO CALL HOME. UM, WE DEVELOP AND SELL LOTS FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO NATIONAL, REGIONAL, REGIONAL AND LOCAL HOME BUILDERS, BOTH PRIVATE AND PUBLIC. SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 2009, WE'VE SOLD TO PROBABLY THE TOP 25 BUILDERS IN THE GREATER HOUSTON AREA. AGAIN, BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE. UM, WE DO EVERYTHING FROM PLANNING MANAGEMENT, WE ACQUIRE THE LAND AND TITLE IT, DEVELOP IT, AND THEN SELL LOTS, UM, TO ENTRY LEVEL FIRST TIME AND FIRST TIME MOVE UP HOME BUYERS. UM, WE OBVIOUSLY DO THE AMENITIES. WE'RE SOUP TO NUTS, RIGHT? SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE THINK THAT WE'RE SELLING TO THE HOME BUYER. THAT'S OUR END CUSTOMER, NOT NECESSARILY THE HOME BUILDER. AS OF JUNE 30TH, 2020, OUR FISCAL YEAR END IS SEPTEMBER 30TH. SO WE JUST WRAPPED IT UP. SO THAT WOULD'VE BEEN OUR THIRD QUARTER. WE HAD OPERATIONS IN 51 MARKETS IN 22 STATES. UM, BUT WE'VE BEEN DEVELOPING IN THE GREATER HOUSTON AREA FOR OVER 20 YEARS. UM, WE'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO DEVELOP IN BAYTOWN. WE HAVEN'T FOUND THE RIGHT OPPORTUNITY UNTIL NOW, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT OPPORTUNITY. UM, SO THOUGHTFULNESS CREATED THROUGHOUT, KEEPING AFFORDABILITY IN MIND FOR THE HOMEOWNER, WHICH HAS BECOME AN INCREASINGLY CHALLENGED, UM, SEGMENT. WE LIKE TO BE ABLE TO CREATE COMMUNITIES AND VALUE BY PROVIDING UNIQUE PLACES TO GATHER, TO PLAY, CONNECT, UH, AT ALL DIFFERENT PRICE POINTS. AND WE THINK THAT WE CAN DO THAT, WHETHER YOU ARE IN A $200,000 HOME, A 300 TO 400 OR 500 ON UP. UM, WE LIKE TO INCORPORATE CERTAIN ELEMENTS THAT ARE CONSISTENT THROUGH ALL THROUGHOUT ALL OF OUR COMMUNITIES. SOME OF THOSE INCLUDE ENTRY MONUMENTATION ENHANCED WITH LANDSCAPING, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU SOME RENDERINGS OF IN YOUR PACKET, A FEW SLIDES OVER. UH, WE INCLUDE PARKS AND TRAILS, PLACES TO STOP REST, UM, NATURAL PLACE SCAPES, INVITING FAMILIES TO GATHER, LEARN, EXERCISE. UH, WE HAVE FOUND THAT WHETHER IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL, WHETHER IT'S FAMILY, WHETHER IT'S A NEW FAMILY OR UM, SOMEONE THAT IS LATER ON IN THEIR YEARS BEING OUTSIDE, HAVING THE ABILITY TO WALK, UM, IT IS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT AND ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW NOW MORE THAN EVER WITH COVD, JUST BEING ABLE TO HAVE SPACE, UH, GET OUTSIDE OF YOUR HOUSE . SO, UM, THIS IS ONE SPECIFIC THING, BUT MAIL IT'S SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS MAILBOX COVERING. SO, YOU KNOW, OVER THE LAST FIVE TO 10 YEARS, THE POSTAL SYSTEM HAS DEVIATED FROM WHAT USED TO BE MAIL, YOU KNOW, TO YOUR HOUSE. AND, UM, NOW WE HAVE BOXES, BUT WHAT WE LIKE TO DO IS ALL OF OUR MAILBOXES, THEY ARE COVERED. THEY HAVE BENCHES, THEY'RE A PLACE TO GO AND STOP. UM, AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S UNSIGHTLY. SO WE LIKE TO MAKE IT JUST A NICE ELEMENT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, UM, WHERE AVAILABLE AND APPROPRIATE. WE'VE STARTED INSTALLING WIFI STATIONS FOR OUTDOOR LEARNING WHERE WE CAN IN COMMUNITIES, WHICH HAS BEEN PRETTY POPULAR OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS IN DIFFERENT PARKS. SO GETTING TO BARBARA'S CREEK, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT, UM, THIS IS A PROPOSED 448 SINGLE FAMILY LOT COMMUNITY. IT CONSISTS OF PRIMARILY 40, FIFTIES AND 60 FOOT LOTS HYBRID. UM, WE STARTED WITH ALL FIFTIES AND AFTER SOME COMMENTS AND BACK AND FORTH, WE HAVE COME UP WITH A MIX OF FORTIES, FIFTIES, AND SIXTIES, WHICH, UM, I'LL SHOW YOU SOME SLIDES DOWN THE ROAD, PARTICULARLY ON THE FORTIES AND FIFTIES. BUT WE HAVE FOUND IN THE LAST FEW YEARS IN OUR DEVELOPMENTS THAT HA DIFFERENT PRODUCT TYPE AND BEING ABLE TO INTERMIX, IT ACTUALLY MAKES FOR A NICER STREET SCENE. UM, YOU OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE TO FOCUS ON MAINTENANCE, YOU HAVE TO FOCUS ON YOUR ELEVATION AND YOUR BUILDERS. UM, BUT THE MILLENNIAL GENERATION, UH, NOW IT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT SQUARE FOOTAGE, IT'S ABOUT HOW CAN YOU FIND SOMETHING THAT'S COMFORTABLE, THAT IS REALLY EFFICIENT FROM A LAYOUT PERSPECTIVE, THAT HAS LITTLE MAINTENANCE, PARTICULARLY FOR THE YOUNGER GENERATION BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW HOW TO MAINTAIN OR THEY TRAVEL QUITE A BIT OR THEY USED TO BEFORE COVID. [00:30:01] UM, WE'VE STARTED INCORPORATING NATURAL PLAY, NATURAL PLAY SCAPES, VIBRANT SPACES, UM, A LOT MORE MULTIFUNCTIONAL AREAS WITHIN OUR RESERVES AND PARK, UM, PARK AREAS. SO AS OPPOSED TO JUST THE TRADITIONAL TO LOT, WE'RE UTILIZING A LOT MORE. UM, SO YOU CAN UTILIZE IT FOR VARIOUS THINGS IN DIFFERENT AGES. UM, BARBARA'S CREEK WILL BE AN INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY OFFERING SPACES, AS I'VE MENTIONED, TO CONNECT AND JOIN AND PLAY PROMOTING LONG-TERM CONNECTIVITY, UH, WITH THE ADING ADJOINING TRACKS, EXCUSE ME, AND PEDESTRIAN MOBILITY. SO HERE'S THE LOCATION AGAIN, SOUTH OF FM, 1942, UH, NORTH OF 10, ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF EAST OF GARTH, UH, LOCATED EAST OF THE BAYTOWN SOCCER COMPLEX. UM, IT'S CURRENTLY VACANT AND IT'S SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. HERE'S THE MASTER PLAN. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU HAVE YOUR MODEL PARK UP FRONT ALONG WITH A SECTION THAT'S 36 60. THIS IS ALL WHAT'S NORTH OF THE PIPELINE. THE DETENTION THAT YOU SEE IN GREEN, UH, THIS 4.1 ACRES, THAT'LL BE AN AMENITIZED DETENTION POND WITH A FOUNTAIN, A LOT OF LANDSCAPING. UM, WE HAVE A PARK IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN WE HAVE LINEAR PATHWAYS RUNNING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT PROVIDING MOBILITY. SO HERE'S SOME EXAMPLES OF FOUR STAR MONUMENTS. SOME OF THE ENTRIES AND AMENITIES THAT WE'VE UTILIZED. A LOT OF THESE ARE EITHER STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION FROM AN AMENITY PERSPECTIVE OR REC CENTER, BUT OUR MONUMENTS ARE UP. UM, THESE PROJECTS RANGE FROM THE FAR NORTHWEST HOUSTON AND MAGNOLIA AND MONTGOMERY ALL THE WAY OVER TO KIND OF THE CL CLEVELANDS GLENDORA ISD AREA. UM, WE ARE DEVELOPING COMMUNITIES AS FAR SOUTHEAST AS LAKE CITY, KIND OF ALL AROUND THE MAP. SO THE EAST POCKET OF THE GREATER HOUSTON AREA HAS BEEN WHAT WE'VE MISSING. SO AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. WE'RE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO START SOMETHING AND THIS BE THE FIRST COMMUNITY OF MANY. UM, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE ELEMENTS. SO LARGE SCALE, UM, MONUMENTATION, WE DON'T ALWAYS INCLUDE WATER, BUT WE LIKE TO INCLUDE WATER FEATURES ON OUR ENTRY MONUMENTS. UH, LANDSCAPING OBVIOUSLY IS A BIG PIECE OF THAT. WE FEEL LIKE WHEN YOU ARRIVE TO A COMMUNITY, THE FIRST THING YOU SEE, IT'S YOUR SENSE OF ARRIVAL. SO IT NEEDS TO BE INVITING, IT NEEDS TO LOOK NICE, UM, THAT'S YOUR FIRST IMPRESSION. SO WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE IN, UH, ENJOY WHERE THEY'RE LIVING, HAVE IT BE SOMETHING THAT'S AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, THAT THEY LIKE. OUR ENTRY CONCEPT, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE A DIVIDED BOULEVARD COMING IN OFF OF, UM, FM 1942. WE HAVE TWO ACCESS POINTS OFF OF 1942. UM, THAT'S REALLY THE MOST THAT WE CAN DO GIVEN SPACING WITH TECHSTAR REQUIREMENTS. UM, BUT WE'LL HAVE THAT DIVIDED ENTRY COMING IN. YOU CAN SEE, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL RENDERING. MATT STOOPS WITH LJA HAS ASSISTED US IN LOOKING AT THE CONCEPT PLANS FOR OUR PARKS. UM, WE'VE SPENT A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME ON ALL OF THIS AND, AND I KNOW YOU PROBABLY SEE A LOT OF PRETTY FIXTURES AND RENDERINGS QUITE A BIT, BUT WE'RE VERY FAR ALONG WITH THIS. AND SO HOPING THAT AS WE MOVE DOWN INTO THE DETAILED AND THE GRANULAR PIECE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WE ARE HAPPY AND, UM, WILLING TO COMMIT TO THESE ELEMENTS WITHIN THAT AGREEMENT. SO WE HAVE AN ENTRY MONUMENT. YOU CAN SEE ACCENT COLUMNS, SIDEWALKS COMING THROUGH, LANDSCAPE BEDS, OBVIOUSLY THE TREES AND, UM, SHRUBS, BUT JUST THE LANDSCAPING OF WHAT THAT ENTRY MIGHT LOOK LIKE. THE OVERALL PLAN, THIS IS FOR THE REC CENTER. UH, WE HAVE AN EVENT LAWN, WHICH IS WHERE THE NUMBER ONE IS. SO HERE NATURE PLAY, WHICH IS JUST SOUTH OF THAT PARKING. AND THEN ANOTHER MULTIFUNCTIONAL SPACE HERE. SO, UM, I'LL GET INTO SOME IMAGES ON WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE IN JUST A MINUTE. SO THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF THE EVENT AREA AND THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE WITH PAVILIONS. UM, YOU KNOW, SOME HAVE MORE THAN OTHERS. THEY COULD HAVE RESTROOMS, THEY CAN HAVE OBVIOUSLY PICNIC BENCHES. AND, UM, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF, WITH THE LIGHTS, BEING ABLE TO USE THIS AT NIGHT, BRING IN FOOD TRUCKS. AGAIN, KIND OF A DIFFERENT TIME RIGHT NOW WITH COVID, BUT WE SET IT UP SUCH THAT IT CAN BE USED, YOU KNOW, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK ALL THE TIME ON THE WEEKENDS BY BOTH FAMILIES AND THEIR GUESTS NATURE PLAY. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE FOUND HAS BEEN EXTREMELY POPULAR, UM, BUT IT REALLY, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE IMAGES, JUST INCORPORATES MORE OF NATURE. AND STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT THE MORE THAT YOU INCORPORATE ON THE BITS AND PIECES AND BEING ABLE TO BUILD WITH WHAT'S THERE, UM, IT'S REALLY, IT GETS, UH, MORE UTILIZATION, LESS WEAR AND TEAR AND IT'S JUST ENJOYED MORE. SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE ELEPHANT ELEMENTS THAT [00:35:01] WE INCORPORATE AND I THINK THAT SET OUR COMMUNITIES APART FROM WHAT YOU'RE SEEING JUST ON YOUR STANDARD KIND OF COPY AND PASTE, WHICH IS NOT WHAT WE LOOK TO DO. THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS AS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPERS THAT WILL BE THE SAME NO MATTER WHAT. IT'S JUST THE MECHANICS AND BASICS OF LOT DEVELOPMENT. BUT WHERE WE THINK WE SET OUR COMMUNITIES APART ARE THE AREAS SUCH AS THE ENTRY, UM, WHAT OUR REC CENTERS LOOK LIKE, OUR TRAILS, AND AGAIN, JUST SMALL ELEMENTS LIKE MAILBOXES AND WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE. UM, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE OPEN SPACES AND FOR THE REC AREA, MULTIFUNCTIONAL AREAS. AND THEN WE HAVE A LINEAR PARK RUNNING TOWARDS THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE PROJECT. SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT RESIDENTS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY HAVE ACCESS TO PARKS, TRAILS, UM, THE ABILITY TO GET OUTSIDE, THE ABILITY TO HAVE MOBILITY THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. OKAY, SO, UM, PRODUCT OVERVIEW. WHAT I WANTED TO SHOW HERE, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS AND, AND THERE'S BENEFITS ON THESE SMALLER LOT PRODUCTS, IS THE 40 AND 50 FOOT HOME SITES, PARTICULARLY THE 40 FOOT HOME SITES, THE THREE IMAGES THAT YOU'LL SEE ON THE TOP, UM, THOSE ARE ALL 40 FOOT HOME SITES. AND THIS IS FROM A PROJECT THAT FOREST STAR DEVELOPED. LOTS WERE DEVELOPED AND DELIVERED IN 2016 TO CHAMAR AND HIGHLAND HOMES. UM, AND THESE PICTURES ARE ACTUALLY, THEY'RE FROM YESTERDAY. SO YOU CAN SEE THESE AREN'T FROM TWO YEARS AGO OR THREE YEARS AGO, HOW WELL THEY'VE BEEN MAINTAINED. AND PART OF THAT, WHICH I'LL GO TO AT THE END OF THIS, IS WHAT WE REQUIRE OF OUR BUILDERS AND WHAT GOVERNING DOCUMENTS WE PUT IN PLACE AS A PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT. SO, UM, AND THEN THE IMAGES BELOW ARE JUST REP REPRESENTATIVE OF LIKELY WHAT WE WOULD HAVE IN TERMS OF THE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES. HERE'S A STREET SCENE AGAIN OF THE 40 FOOT HOME SITES. UM, AND WE'VE DONE THIS IN MULTIPLE COMMUNITIES WHERE WE WILL INTERMIX THE FORTIES AND FIFTIES AGAIN, LANDSCAPING BECOMES A, UH, VERY MATERIAL ELEMENT OF THE STREET SCENE WHEN YOU DO THESE HOME SIZE AS WELL AS THE MAINTENANCE OF THE FRONT YARD, WHICH YOU'LL GO THROUGH. BUT THERE ARE FORTIES DON'T NECESSARILY FROM A HOME SITE PERSPECTIVE HAVE TO MEAN, YOU KNOW, AN INEXPENSIVE CHEAP HOME. SO IT'S REALLY, AGAIN, MORE ABOUT EFFICIENCY WITHIN THE LAYOUT OF THE, UM, THE HOME ITSELF. WE'VE SEEN OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF POPULARITY AND A LOT OF DEMAND FOR THIS BROUGHT JUST BY VIRTUE OF WHO THE BUYER IS. SO ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, IN OUR MEETINGS WITH STAFF, WE WENT THROUGH SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD, OBVIOUSLY IN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS. EITHER, UM, DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE APPROVED THAT WERE ON THE GROUND, BUT HAVEN'T NECESSARILY BEEN EXECUTED THE WAY YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM OR JUST CONCERNS OVER, YOU KNOW, THE LAST DECADE OR TWO IN WHAT YOU SEE WITH EXISTING. SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO THAT WE WOULD BE AGAIN, WILLING TO INCORPORATE IN OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY ARE OUR COMMUNITY GUIDELINES AND OUR MINIMUM STANDARDS. SO WE BELIEVE IN MINIMUM DESIGN STANDARDS AND GOVERNING DOCUMENTS ACROSS COMMUNITIES FOR BUILDERS AND HOMEOWNERS TO PROTECT AND CREATE LONG LASTING VALUE. AND THESE GUIDELINES AND ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO THE FOLLOWING. SO PROBABLY FIRST AND UM, MOST IMPORTANT ARE THE RECORDED BUILDER GUIDELINES. DESIGN GUIDELINES. SO WE REQUIRE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE AND WIDTH REQUIREMENTS BASED ON THE LOT SIZE. NOW THAT VARIES ON THE COMMUNITY AND WHO THE BUYER IS THAT WE'RE TARGETING. UM, BUT AS AN EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA SET A MINIMUM OF SAY, 1400 SQUARE FEET OR 12, WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT MINIMUM SO SOMEBODY DOESN'T GO IN AND BUILD A, YOU KNOW, 900 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE AS AN EXAMPLE. UM, MINIMUM SETBACK, SO A 25 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK THAT'S ALSO TO HELP WITH POTENTIAL ON STREET PARKING ISSUES. SO THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT WE'VE HEARD, WHICH I'LL ADDRESS HERE AS WELL IN A MINUTE. ON OUR CCNRS, UM, WE INCLUDE A PLAN REPETITION GOVERNANCE. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE REQUIRE SO MUCH SPACING BETWEEN THE NUMBER OF LOTS. IF YOU HAVE THE SAME PLAN BEING BUILT, AGAIN, INTERMIXING THE VARIOUS LOT PRODUCT AND HOME SITE TYPES, THAT IS OBVIOUSLY HELPFUL. UM, MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS, A MINIMUM 75% OF THE EXTERIOR WALL AREA FRONT FACADE HAS TO BE BRICKER MASONRY, A HUNDRED PERCENT MASONRY ON THE FIRST STORY REAR ELEVATION IF YOU'RE BACKING TO A COMMON AREA OR IT'S VISIBLE. UM, WE LOOK AT THE ROOF PITCHING MATERIAL, FENCING STANDARDS, GARAGE STYLE. AGAIN, A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT THESE ARE JUST SOME OF, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT ALL, BUT JUST, UM, A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT WE INCLUDE IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHICH WE WOULD AGAIN WOULD BE HAPPY TO INCLUDE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. UH, LANDSCAPING, IRRIGATION STANDARDS, STREET TREES, FRONT YARD TREES, SCRUB AND YARD PLANNING, UM, SOUGHT AND IRRIGATION REQUIRED IN FRONT AND SIDE YARDS. AND THEN THE CCNRS, UM, WE OBVIOUSLY CREATED HOAS. WE HAVE [00:40:01] AN A RC INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY, AND SO THAT A RC IS THERE TO REVIEW, APPROVE, ENSURE ALL BUILDER PLANS, MEET DESIGN GUIDELINES AND CCNRS. UM, THAT'S FOR EACH SPECIFIC HOUSE ON EACH SPECIFIC LOT PRE AND POST CONSTRUCTION INSPECTIONS ON STREET PARKING DISCOURAGEMENT, UM, WE WOULD INCLUDE A PROHIBITION OF ON-STREET PARKING, OVERNIGHT FEES, APPLICABLE AND ENFORCEABLE BY THE HOA MINIMUM 18 FOOT DRIVEWAY WIDTHS. AND IN SOME COMMUNITIES WE ALSO DO FRONT YARD MAINTENANCE, WHICH IS INCLUDED IN THE HOA DUES. AND SO THAT IS THE HOA WHO CONTRACTS WITH THE COMPANY. AND, UM, ALL THE FRONT YARD MAINTENANCE IS INCLUDED IN YOUR DUES AND IT'S ON A REGULAR BASIS. AND SO AGAIN, THE STREET SCENES THAT YOU SAW AND THE PICTURES I PROVIDED ARE FROM A COMMUNITY THAT ARE ALL FORTIES AND FIFTIES AND THEY, BUT THEY HAVE THAT ELEMENT SO IT STAYS CLEAN. UM, SO THAT IN A NUTSHELL IS WHO WE ARE, HOW WE LIKE TO DEVELOP. I THINK WHAT WE DO A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, UM, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT DOES HAVE A PAPER MUD AND WE ARE LOOKING TO BRING TO COUNCIL UTILITY AGREEMENT, A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UM, AS WELL AS THE REQUEST TO ACTIVATE THAT DISTRICT. UM, SO THAT IS OUR, THAT'S THE REQUEST AND PRESENTATION IN NUTSHELL AND FOUR STAR AND THIS PROJECT . ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MA'AM. UM, I GUESS I'LL OPEN UP, UH, TO ANY QUESTIONS PLEASE FOR MR. DEVELOPER. YOU MIND? I HAVE ONE QUESTION. YES, MA'AM. MAYOR, UM, I KNOW TYPICALLY THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS USUALLY JUST HAVE ONE ENTRY AND EXIT POINT. SO IS THAT THE SAME WITH THIS ONE? I JUST SAW THAT, THAT ONE. SO THERE'S TWO ACTUALLY. SO WE HAVE TWO ACCESS POINTS BOTH CROSSING THE PIPELINE MM-HMM . UM, AS WELL ABOUT THE FM 1942. LET ME GO BACK TO THE MAIN OVERALL YOU CAN SEE ON ANY OF THESE. BUT, SO YOU HAVE ONE HERE, WHICH IS THE MAIN ONE. YOU ALSO HAVE ANOTHER ONE I SEE UP HERE, BUT THEY BOTH, WE STARTED WITH ONE AND THEN VIA COMMENT FROM STAFF, WE ARE TO ADD THAT SECOND POINT MM-HMM . UM, AND I THINK, BUT THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE LIMITED TO GIVEN TECHSTAR REQUIREMENTS ALONG 19. BUT THEY BOTH GO ONTO 1942, CORRECT? YES. SO, UM, I'M NOT VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA, BUT I'M, I'M THINKING OF THE ISSUES WE'VE HAD AT WEST MEADOWS MM-HMM . AND, UM, THEY HAD SOME MAJOR ISSUES BECAUSE OF COURSE THE BARGES THAT GAVE US A LOT OF SETBACK ON I 10 AND THEY ONLY HAD ONE ENTRY AND EXIT POINT OFF ONTO THE FEEDER. AND SO OBVIOUSLY WHEN THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC OR BACKUP, THEY'RE KIND OF LOGGED, LOGGED IN. AND SO I, I'M GLAD YOU HAVE A SECOND ONE, BUT IT STILL GOES ON TO THE SAME AREA, SO IT, YEAH. AND THAT IS ACTUALLY, SO FOR, AT LEAST FOR THIS PROPERTY, THAT IS FROM AN ACCESS PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO ACCESS THE SITE MUCH CHOICE. SO IT'S A CANAL THAT'S RUNNING HERE ON OUR EASTERN BOUNDARY MM-HMM . AND THEN THE SITE TO THE EASTERN BOUND, WE, WE DO NOT, UM, CONTROL. SO OUR ONLY ACCESS INTO THE PROPERTY, UM, AS WELL AS FOR THE EXISTING OWNER IS THAT FM 1942. OKAY. AND SO WE WOULD BE DOING A TIA OBVIOUSLY AS PART OF, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS MAY OR MAY NOT BE NEEDED. OKAY. UM, AS A RESULT OF, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE. OKAY. THANK YOU. SURE. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I GET GOING ON MINE? YES SIR. HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU BEEN AROUND BAYTOWN AND SEEN ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPERS THAT ARE IN HERE RIGHT NOW, ? UH, YES, I HAVE BECAUSE WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF ACRES OF THIS SAME PRODUCT HERE THAT FOR THE MOST PART HAS BEEN VERY DISAPPOINTING. AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE BRINGING PROBLEMS WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE A 40 FOOT AND THE VALUE OF THE HOME AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT. MM-HMM . YOU LOST ME AT THE 40 FOOT, YOU LOST ME AT THE NAME BARBARA'S YES. . WELL THAT WON'T, THAT WON'T BE THE PROJECT. I'M SORRY. THAT'S NOT THE PROJECT NAME. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT RIGHT NOW WHILE WE'RE IN THE FEASIBILITY. SO IT WILL HAVE A BETTER NAME THAN BARBARA'S. I CAN SEE THE VALUE OF THE HOME AND THE PRICE RANGE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT AND, UH, I JUST WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF THIS AT ALL 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN BAYTOWN. WHAT, UM, JUST SO I'M CLEAR, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS AND, AND, AND I FOCUSED ON THE FORTIES 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS FOR A LOT OF VARIOUS CITIES, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THERE, A LOT, THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS. AND SO I WANTED TO SHOW THAT YOU CAN HAVE A, A CLEAN STREET SCENE, BUT, UM, FROM A PRICE POINT PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE I DIDN'T FOCUS ON YOUR FIFTIES AND SIXTIES, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE I ADDRESS JUST THE COMMENT ON PRICE, UM, WHAT PRICE POINT DO YOU THINK WE ARE TARGETING? UH, FOR BAYTOWN? WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF HOMES AVAILABLE, BRANCH BANK AND NEW IN THE 200 TO $300,000 RANGE. THE PRICE RANGE WE'RE MISSING IN THE MARKET THAT WE'RE MISSING IN THIS AREA IS THE HALF A MILLION DOLLARS ON UP. SO WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT. AND AND YOU'RE NOT THE FIRST TO COME IN HERE. THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER DEVELOPER RIGHT BEHIND YOU THAT'S GONNA BRING IN THE SAME TYPE HOME. YES. AND WELL, [00:45:01] AND AND THAT'S LARGELY IT'S, LET LEMME SAY ONE OTHER THING. SURE. JUST A COUPLE OF MILES EAST OF HERE, THEY'RE BUILDING THOSE HOMES AND THEY CAN'T SELL 'EM, THEY CAN'T BUILD 'EM FAST ENOUGH. BUT FOR SOME REASON WE DRAW IN THIS STUFF, THE 40 FOOT HOMES, THE 50 FOOT FRONTAGE HOMES. I I'VE SEEN ENOUGH OF IT HERE. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS AT ALL. OKAY. SO LET, LET ME ASK, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR THE DEVELOPER? I HAVE ONE SPECIFIC, YES. SO I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU GUYS LIKE TO DO DIFFERENT PRODUCT TYPES AND YEAH. SO I MEAN, WITHIN THAT SPIRIT HAVE, HAVE YOU GUYS, I GUESS WHY DID WE NOT SEE ANY MAYBE 65 FOOT LOTS OR 70 FOOT LOTS? OKAY, SO WE DO, WE ALWAYS DO A MARKET STUDY AND CANVAS THE AREA FROM A THIRD PARTY, UM, TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS THE, UH, WELL THERE'S TWO THINGS. ONE, IT'S A MARKET STUDY, RIGHT? AND THEN TWO, IT'S GOING TO BE BASED ON THE LAND PRICE. WHAT IS THE YIELD AND WHAT ARE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF LOTS YOU CAN GET IN ORDER TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY TO MAKE IT FEASIBLE. SO IT'S, IT'S BOTH, IT'S WHAT IS THEIR DEMAND FOR COUPLED WITH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WHAT MAKES THE DEAL FEASIBLE. SO RIGHT NOW, AND, AND THIS IS EVERYWHERE. I MEAN, YOU'RE THE LARGEST HOME BUYING SEGMENT IS 2 25 TO 400,000 PERIOD, RIGHT? UM, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A HOME BUYING SEGMENT NORTH OF 400. AND I'D REALLY SAY 2 25 TO FOUR 50 IS KIND OF THE SWEET SPOT, IF YOU WILL. UM, AND SO FOR SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT HERE, WE WOULD BE FOCUSED ON, YOU KNOW, A TWO 50 TO 4 25 ON BASE PRICING BEFORE OPTIONS. AND WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING OVER TIME IS, YOU KNOW, YOU, THAT'S YOUR BASE PRICING WITHIN TWO YEARS. YOU ADD OPTIONS IN AND, AND YOU CAN GO ON A BUILDER'S WEBSITE AND YOU CAN SEE THEY STAY, I, YOU KNOW, HOMES START SELLING FROM THE TWO FIFTIES AND THE, AND THE LEAST EXPENSIVE HOME IS 2 87 OR TWO 90. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK FOR US, WE'RE TARGETING PROBABLY WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE ON THOSE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES ARE HIGH THREES. UM, AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT WE'LL END UP BEING HERE. UM, BUT BY VIRTUE OF PURELY LOT PRODUCT TYPE AND SIZE, THAT IS WHERE THE DEMAND IS. AND THEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE HOUSE AND THEN WHAT OPTIONS ARE INCLUDED IN THE HOUSE. THERE IS, DEMAND HAS D DWINDLED QUITE A BIT FOR, FROM A, UM, A LARGE LOT IN SQUARE FOOTAGE BECAUSE OF THE MAINTENANCE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS THAT REALLY WANT LOCK AND LEAVE, HENCE YOU HAVE THESE FORTIES AND FIFTIES THAT HAVE COME ABOUT 50 FOOT LOT IS THE MOST POPULAR LOT. AND, UM, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE ACROSS THE GREATER HOUSTON AREA, THAT'S THE GREATEST NUMBER OF STARTS. UM, WE CERTAINLY, AND THAT'S THE BENEFIT TO A LAND PLAN, RIGHT, IS ONCE YOU HIT PRINT, IT'S WRONG. SO WE START AND WE DEVELOP IN SECTIONS. AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, CASTLE ROCK, YOU PROBABLY SAW WITH THEM WHERE THEY STARTED AND THEY START A CERTAIN PRICE POINT AND WE TYPICALLY DO AROUND 75 TO A HUNDRED LOT SECTIONS AT A TIME. AND SO OUR FIRST SECTION WE'RE PUTTING ON IS 115 LOTS. WELL, IF WE SEE THAT WITH OUR FIRST HOME BUYERS COMING IN, THERE'S INCREASING DEMAND FOR THE, FOR A LARGER HOME, A HIGHER PRICE POINT HOME THAN WHAT WE END UP DOING. JUST LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT HERE WITH HOW WE HAVE THIS SEGMENTED OFF, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY IF THE SIXTIES, IF THESE START SELLING REALLY, REALLY WELL AND THERE'S DEMAND AND, AND THERE'S REQUESTS FROM THOSE HOME BUYERS FOR I WANT A BIGGER LOT, I WANT A BIGGER HOUSE. WELL, IT'S REALLY EASY, RIGHT? 'CAUSE OUR FIRST PHASE IS ESSENTIALLY THIS. SO WHAT DO WE DO? WE, WE, WE RELAND PLAN AND EVERY NEW SECTION IS A BLANK SLATE. SO WE CAN COME IN HERE AND START WITH FORTIES, FIFTIES, AND SIXTIES. WE'RE SETTING A MINIMUM. WHAT DO WE WANT IT TO DO IS JUST GO UP FROM THERE. AND THEN IF THERE'S DEMAND, WE CAN CONVERT IT TO SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES OR EIGHTIES, YOU KNOW, IF THAT WORKS, IF THE DEMAND IS THERE. BUT FROM A DEVELOPMENT AND APPROVAL STANDPOINT, WE NEED BASICALLY HERE'S OUR BASE PLAN THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR APPROVAL FROM THE CITY FROM, AND THAT'S HOW, FROM AN ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVE, JUST AS YOU GUYS DO, WE TAKE IT UP TO OUR COMMITTEE TO GET APPROVED. AND THEN IF WE CAN DO MORE, GREAT. YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN DO LARGER LOTS, FANTASTIC. IT'S MORE VALUE FOR THE CITY. IT'S MORE VALUE FOR THE DISTRICT. I MEAN, IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYONE. OKAY. YOU COMPANY HAD ONE QUESTION, JUST A QUICK COMMENT. YOU KNOW, I COULDN'T SUPPORT IT ALSO, NOT ONLY THE FORTIES AND THE FIFTIES, BUT THE, THE 25 FOOT SETBACK REALLY SETS ME OFF. UH, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT A SIDEWALK IN THERE MM-HMM . AND YOU, YOU GOT TWO CARS SIDE BY SIDE ON A NARROW DRIVEWAY. AND THEN YOU PUT THE BURDEN OF ENFORCEMENT ON THE HOA. AND I KNOW THERE'S TOO MANY SUBDIVISIONS WE'VE GOT IN TOWN RIGHT NOW WHERE YOU LOOK UP AND EVERYBODY'S IN THE STREET MM-HMM . WELL THEY, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FIT IT, YOU CAN'T FIT THREE CARS, YOU CAN'T FIT FOUR IF THEY HAD IT WITH A 25 FOOT SETBACK. YOU JUST CAN'T DO THAT. SO WHEN YOU NARROW THOSE HOMES DOWN AND THEN YOU PUSH 'EM OUT AGAINST THE STREET, THE 25 FOOT SETBACK, THEN YOU PUT THE CARS IN THE STREET ON WHAT'LL PROBABLY BE A NARROW STREET AS WELL, ALL OF A SUDDEN WHEN YOU LOOK [00:50:01] DOWN THAT STREET, IT LOOKS TERRIBLE. IT JUST LOOKS TERRIBLE. AND YOU CAN TAKE THE, THE PICTURES AND ALL THOSE THINGS ARE GREAT THAT YOU SHOWED, BUT YOU NEVER BACK UP AND SEE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT 40 FOOT HOUSES ON THESE, THESE PICTURES, I SEE A PICTURE OF A HOUSE AND THE PICTURES CLIPPED TO THE RIGHT AND THE LEFT OF THAT 40 FOOT HOUSE. WELL, I CAN'T SEE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THIS HOUSE AND THIS HOUSE AND THIS HOUSE. AND THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO SEE AS A COUNCILMAN TO KNOW HOW IT LOOKS BECAUSE WELL, WE, WE WOULD LOOK, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T SHOW YOU, I, IT DOESN'T SHOW ME ANYTHING. WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO SEND SOME VIDEOS OR EVEN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN, AGAIN, IT'S IN ORDINARY, UM, CIRCUMSTANCES. WE COULD PUT YOU ON A BUS AND WE COULD DRIVE YOU THROUGH SOME OF THESE COMMUNITIES WHERE WE DO. SO YOU CAN SEE THIS, THAT IT'S, THE STREET IS CLEAN, IT LOOKS NICE. THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, HOMES THAT, UH, I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE FOR THE ONE, UM, THE PROJECT HERE, IT'S CALLED CITY PARK. AT CITY GATE, UM, OR CITY PARK, EXCUSE ME, IN CITY OAKS IS THIS PARTICULAR SECTION, BUT HOME BUILDERS WERE TARGETING TO START AT THE TWO TWENTIES WHEN WE WERE PUTTING THESE ON THE GROUND. THIS WAS IN 2016. THEY ENDED UP, BEFORE THE HOMES WERE EVEN ON THE GROUND, THEIR HOME PRICES HAD GONE UP 40,000 ON A 40. THEY WERE HIGH TWOS BACK IN 2016. AND BY THE TIME, AND THAT WAS JUST BY VIRTUE OF, BECAUSE IT LOOKS NICE, IT ALWAYS LOOKS GOOD. AND IT WAS MORE ABOUT THE HOME AND WHAT THEY COULD INCLUDE IN THE HOME BECAUSE IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S NOT ABOUT A 40 FOOT LOT, IT'S ABOUT WHAT DO YOU BUILD ON IT. I COULD, YOU CAN GO BUILD A, YOU KNOW, A A COMMUNITY OF 70 FOOT LOTS AND THEY CAN, BUILDERS CAN COME IN, THEY CAN UNDER BUILD. AND IF YOU DON'T PUT THE, THE, THE BELT AND SUSPENDERS ON HOW A BUILDER IS SUPPOSED TO BUILD THEIR HOME AND WHAT THOSE GUIDELINES, WHAT THOSE RESTRICTIONS ARE, AND THE MATERIALS THEY HAVE TO USE, YOU CAN HAVE A, YOU KNOW, 400 SEVENTIES AND IT CAN LOOK TERRIBLE. UH, AGAIN, IT'S JUST ABOUT THE ELEMENTS THAT YOU INCLUDE THAT YOU REQUIRE OF YOUR BUILDERS AND YOUR HOMEOWNERS AGAIN. BUT I'D LOVE, WE HAVE VIDEOS OF IT WE COULD SEND, UM, AT THE NEXT TIME, NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, WE'D LOVE TO SHARE SOME EXAMPLES. AGAIN, REAL LIFE EXAMPLES OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE IN THE FIELD. OKAY. LET ME, IF I MAY, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, I GUESS, UH, THESE ARE MY, I I WOULD SHARE IN THE SENTIMENTS OF WHAT COUNCIL HAS EXPRESSED. UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SEEN BUILDERS COME AND SURE. AND WE RECENTLY HAD ONE AND, UH, THEY, THEY WOUND UP WHERE WE WANTED 'EM TO BE. AND SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH, WE KEEP ELEVATING THE EXPECTATION STANDARD, RIGHT? SURE. AND SO ANYTHING THAT COMES IN UNDERNEATH THAT, WHICH I THINK YOU, YOU CAME IN A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, BUT THIS IS THE BAR. THE BAR THE BAR DOESN'T GO THIS WAY. NOW WE CAN ALWAYS WORK WITH SOME STUFF. SURE. YOU KNOW, IF IT'S SETBACKS I WOULD AGREE. THE 25 FOOT SETBACK, I WOULD ASK YOU TO GO AND, AND RECONSIDER THAT SOMETHING, SOMETHING DIFFERENT. UM, THE 40 FOOT LOTS, I JUST DID SOME QUICK MATH. UM, JUST THE MIX THAT YOU PRESENT, I I WANNA SAY YOUR AVERAGE IS STILL PRETTY MUCH 50 50 FOOT. IT'S YEAH, IT'S A 50 FOOT AVERAGE. CORRECT. AND, AND I KNOW THERE IS A MARKET SOMETIMES FOR THE SMALLER LOTS. THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME INDIVIDUALS, THEY MAY BE RETIRED, THEY DON'T WANT A LARGE LOT. THAT'S FINE. I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF THE MARKET. THEY, SOME PEOPLE MAY WANT TO, THIS MAY BE THE AREA OF TOWN THEY WANNA LIVE IN FOR WHATEVER REASON. I DON'T WANT TO SAY ABSOLUTELY NOT TO 40. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE ENCOURAGE. UM, BUT IT HAS TO BE THE SM YOU KNOW, A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE. SURE. UM, BUT AGAIN, MARKET DRIVES THAT WE MAY GET, LIKE YOU SAY, YOU MAY GET PEOPLE WHO WANT 80 FOOT LOTS, WHO KNOWS. YEAH. UM, BUT WE WILL CERTAINLY WANNA SET SOME KIND OF EITHER PERCENTAGE OR SOMETHING OF THAT MAGNITUDE. OKAY. UH, WE UNDERSTAND THERE'LL ALWAYS BE A MIX, UM, STREET WITH, UH, I AM SURPRISED THAT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY YOU WOULD NOT ALLOW ANY OVERNIGHT ON STREET PARKING, WHICH WE, WE WOULD PROBABLY SHARE IN THAT, UH, WE WERE TRYING TO AVOID THAT SAFETY REASONS, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. BUT THEN WITH THE SMALLER LOTS AS, AS YOU WOULD, AS COUNCILMAN SEL EXPRESSED, WHERE DO THESE CARS GO? YOU MAY HAVE GUESTS, YOU MAY HAVE SURE. OVERNIGHT GUESTS, WHERE DO THESE GO? WHERE CAN THEY PARK? SO HOW ARE YOU GONNA GO AND MANAGE THAT? UM, BUT REALLY MY MAJOR QUESTION BESIDES KIND OF THE SPECIFICATIONS MM-HMM . THAT I WOULD ASK YOU TO GO AND, AND, UH, MAYBE GET WITH YOUR FOLKS AND REVISIT EITHER LOT WIDTH, STREET WIDTH, SETBACKS. I LIKE A LOT OF WHAT I SEE A LITTLE BIT, UM, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WITH THE, UH, MASONRY STANDARDS AND AND SO ON. THAT, THAT, THAT WAS GOOD. YOU KNOW, THE TRAILS, THE AMENITIES, I THINK YOU'VE, YOU, YOU, YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH TO, UH, ALL OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE. WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE, I THINK IT'S MAINLY ON THE SPECIFICATIONS. SURE. SO AGAIN, I JUST WANT YOU TO LEAVE HERE KNOWING THAT, UM, WE'RE GONNA TELL YOU WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR, THE BAR IS OF WHAT WE EXPECT FOR ANY NEW HOUSING. UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT AND THAT THE BAR KEEPS GOING UP NOT BACK. SURE. OKAY. AND THEN THE, THE ONE QUESTION FOR ME, AND IT'LL BE THE, IT'LL BE THE SAME QUESTION FOR ANY OTHER DEVELOPER THAT'S GONNA COME HERE. UH, AND SOMETIMES I, I UNDERSTAND IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT COMES DOWN TO THE ECONOMICS, BUT HAVING AN OUTTA CITY MUD VERSUS AN IN CITY PI IS GONNA BE MY MAJOR CONCERN. MM-HMM . SO, AND, OKAY. AND SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR THAT RESPONSE. I MEAN, [00:55:01] SPECIFICATIONS ARE ONE THING. WE CAN WORK THROUGH THAT, BUT THIS IS MORE OF, OF THE CONCEPT OF, OF HOW, HOW WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO, UM, BE ABLE TO WORK WITH DEVELOPERS AND WHAT THEY DEVELOP IN EITHER IN OR OUTSIDE THE CITY OF BAYTOWN. SURE. UM, WELL ON THE, AS IT RELATES TO THE MUD, SO, UM, WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF VALUATIONS OF MUD AND PI AND, AND DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS ARE GOING TOWARDS PID. SOME, SOME JURISDICTIONS LIKE THE MUD TRADITIONAL, UM, FINANCING DISTRICT. SO FOR, FOR US IN THE MUD WITH THE HOMEOWNERS, IT'S A TAX RATE, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS, YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS UP FRONT. UM, AND, AND WE COULD PROBABLY SHOW YOU THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE IN A DISTRICT AND HOW QUICKLY, NUMBER ONE, WE DON'T EVER RAISE THE TAX RATE. SO THEY KNOW WHAT IT IS, IT'S THE HIGHEST IT IS WHEN THEY BUY THEIR HOUSE WITH PHASE ONE. AND THEN OVER TIME IT JUST GOES DOWN. BUT IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR A GREATER AMENITY AND REC CENTER PACKAGE BY VIRTUE OF THE BENEFITS IN TERMS OF PARK AND REC BONDS. UM, AND, AND IT REWARDS INCREASED VALUE AND INCREASED HOME PRICES. AND SO FOR THE DEVELOPER, OBVIOUSLY FROM IT, PUTTING ASIDE TIME, BECAUSE TIME IS MONEY, RIGHT? SO IF LOTS SIT ON THE GROUND WITH A PIG, YOU'RE CARRYING THE ASSESSMENTS, UM, REGARDLESS IF YOU'RE SELLING IT OR NOT. UM, THE DISTRICT AND THE MUD IS SOMETHING WE, WE KNOW WE CAN CONTROL. WE CAN LOOK AT EXACT AND SAY A HOMEOWNER, HERE'S WHAT'S YOUR MORTGAGE PAYMENT? AND THIS IS WHAT YOUR ALL IN RATE'S GOING TO BE. UM, AND IT'S NEVER GOING TO GO UP. IT'S ONLY GONNA GO DOWN AND IT'LL CONTINUE TO GO DOWN, BUT IT WILL ALSO PROVIDE SERVICE TO WHICH, YOU KNOW, THAT SERVICE, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S SOMEONE THAT YOU CAN CALL IMMEDIATELY AND THEY WILL FIX IT. UM, WHERE I LIVE, I'M IN A CITY WHICH IS NOT, DOESN'T HAVE A DISTRICT, UM, CITY SERVICES. AND I'LL TELL YOU THE DIFFERENCE IN RESPONSE TIME AND IT'S NIGHT AND DAY, RIGHT? YOU CALL THE DISTRICT AND THERE'S AN ACCOUNTABILITY FACTOR BECAUSE YOU'RE PAYING FOR THAT. THAT'S PART OF YOUR TAXES. UM, AGAIN, DIFFERENT 'CAUSE PAID, YOU'RE IN THE CITY. SO SAME THING, BUT HERE IT'S ONLY GONNA GO DOWN AND THE MUD WILL ALLOW FOR GREATER AMENITIES, UM, AND GREATER, UM, BIKE, YOU KNOW, HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL. UM, AND JUST I'D SAY PEDESTRIAN MOBILITY AND QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE OVERALL PROJECT PRIMARILY TOO, BECAUSE IT, IT, WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND WE SAY, OKAY, WE KNOW WHEN WE CAN SELL BONDS. WE KNOW HOW THIS IS GONNA WORK. WE CAN CASH FLOW IT. WE KNOW THAT WE CAN EXPEDITE THE REC CENTER AMENITIES, ET CETERA. 'CAUSE WE CAN START LOOKING AT WHAT THAT AV PROJECTION IS. SO FOR US, A DISTRICT IS WHAT MAKES THIS DEAL WORK. UM, I THINK WITHOUT A DISTRICT, IT OBVIOUSLY JUST DOESN'T WORK FOR US. I THINK THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE HURDLES FOR THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL HAS BEEN THE SIZE. UH, GENERALLY YOU NEED 150 TO 200 ACRES FOR A DISTRICT. UM, I THINK THIS PARCEL HAS GONE THROUGH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT HANDS. WE'VE HAD IT UNDER CONTRACT FOR OVER A YEAR. SO WE'VE WORKED ON THIS FOR A REALLY LONG TIME. 'CAUSE WE LIKE THIS DEAL. WE'D OBVIOUSLY LIKE TO EXPAND IT. UM, BUT JUST GIVEN THE STATUS OF THE ADJOINING LANDS, THAT'S NOT AN OPTION RIGHT NOW. BUT THIS IS WHERE WE'D LIKE TO START. SO, AND THE DISTRICT AGAIN, IS JUST HOW WE GET THERE AND IT WORKS IN OUR ECONOMICS. IT'S ALREADY A VERY TIGHT DEAL TO BEGIN WITH. OKAY. SO THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. I MEAN, HOPEFULLY WE PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME DIRECTION, UH, I WOULD ASSUME YOU WORK WITH, WITH OUR STAFF TO YEP. TO GO IF THERE'S ANY CLARITY NEEDED, UM, AND THEN WE WILL REVISIT THIS, I'M ASSUMING OR NOT. UM, OKAY. SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE. I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, MAYOR. YES, SIR. JUST ON THE LAST PROJECT THAT WHERE THEY, AS THE MAYOR DESCRIBED, SORT OF MET OUR EXPECTATIONS MM-HMM . AND I THINK WAS THE NAME AMERICAS, IT'S ESCAPING ME. THAT WAS THE DEVELOPER. YEAH. BUT DID, DID WE, WERE THERE 40 FOOT LOTS ALLOWED ON THAT DEAL? NO, THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE BECAUSE CHAMBERS COUNTY HAS THE STANDARD OF MINIMUM 55. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU. AND, AND I WOULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT WE'LL LOOKING FOR IS WE DON'T WANNA LOWER YOUR BAR. WE WERE JUST, WHAT I'M DOING IS TRYING TO SHOW THAT YOU CAN INCORPORATE A SMALLER LOT DOESN'T MEAN LOWERING THE BAR. NO, NO. I KNOW THERE'S, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND SOMETIMES THERE'S A MIX. THERE'S PEOPLE THAT, THAT, UM, THEY DO WANT THAT MAYBE THE, THE SMALLER TOWN HOMES. SURE. AND THAT'S FINE. IT'S A MIX. WE JUST OBVIOUSLY, AND YOU DON'T HAVE A LARGE PERCENTAGE, BUT RIGHT. BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PERCENTAGE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER OUT OF RANGE OR ANYTHING. OKAY. YES SIR. WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR US TO SET THE STANDARD AT 55? JUST BRING IT BACK. I MEAN, BECAUSE IF, IF PEOPLE ARE GOING THERE AND THEY'RE MEETING THAT STANDARD, WHY DON'T WE JUST SET THE STANDARD AND NO ONE COMES IN OFFERING ANYTHING LESS DO THAT? WELL, IN THIS CASE, SO WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH MUDS, ESPECIALLY OUTTA CITY MUDS, AND YOU, YOU HAVE YOUR POLICY, I THINK IT'S IN FRONT OF YOU FOR MUDS AND PIS, SO MM-HMM . I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE IT IN YOUR POLICY THAT THAT'S YOUR KIND OF, THE WAY YOU WOULD LIKE THINGS TO BE. OKAY. UM, BUT TO, TO THEIR POINT, NOT NECESSARILY THE BEST TO HAVE ONLY 55 PLUS IN EVERY DEVELOPMENT. [01:00:01] UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD, IT COULD BE LIKE OUR AVERAGE ALWAYS HAVE THAT, BUT WE ALWAYS DO 50. UM, THERE'S, THERE'S THINGS YOU COULD DO THOUGH, BUT 40 ARE SOMETHING THAT I THINK THEY MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD ON THAT. I MEAN, IF WE, IF WE DON'T LIKE THE 40, WHY DO WE EVEN HAVE IT IN THERE AS JUST SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE'RE GOING TO ACCEPT? IF WE DON'T LIKE IT AND WE'RE NOT GONNA ACCEPT IT, WHY NOT CHANGE IT? I MEAN, THAT FALLS BACK ON US AT THAT POINT. RIGHT. I HAD IT AT 54. SO THIS IS JUST, THIS IS NOT IN THE CITY. THIS IS IN THE ETJ. AND IN THE ETJ YOU CAN'T CONTROL LOT WIDTHS. BUT HE SAID WE DIDN'T CONTROL THE APPROVAL ON THIS MUD OR NOT. THAT'S RIGHT. AND THEY JUST SAID, WHEN IT COMES TO A P WE, WE SET THE STANDARD FOR THAT. SURE. SO WHY NOT CHANGE THE STANDARD THEN? WELL, SO FOR, FOR THIS PROJECT, JUST TO BE CLEAR, SO THIS ONE IS IN THE ETJ AND ALEX, THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME. SO FOR THIS ONE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY TO EVEN BE ELIGIBLE FOR A P. RIGHT NOW, THE DISTRICT IS THE ONLY OPTION FOR THIS, GIVEN THAT IT IS IN THE ETJ. MM-HMM. BUT THE 40 FIFTIES AND SIXTIES, THERE ARE NO MINIMUMS BECAUSE THE CITY DOES NOT, THE, THE REASON WHY WE, WHY WE'RE EVEN LOOKING AT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS BECAUSE WE NEED THE CITY'S CONSENT AS IT RELATES TO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE, FOR THE ACTIVATION OF THE DISTRICT, TO WHICH YOU'VE ALREADY CONSENTED TO THE CREATION MM-HMM . BUT YOU HAVE TO CONSENT TO THE ACTIVATION OF SUCH. YEP. AND SO, JUST BY VIRTUE OF WHAT YOU HAVE DONE WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HAS BEEN THAT VEHICLE THAT, FOR THE CONSENT, YOU'VE REQUIRED CERTAIN THINGS MM-HMM . SO FOR US, THIS IS MORE, WE'RE OFFERING BASICALLY ADDITIONAL, UM, BENEFITS OF WHAT WE WOULD DO ON BELT AND SUSPENDERS FOR YOU TO CONSENT. NOW, SOMEBODY CAN COME IN HERE AND JUST GO PUT IN A BUNCH OF, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD DO 640 FOOT LOTS IF THEY DON'T WANNA UTILIZE THE DISTRICT BECAUSE THERE IS NO GOVERNANCE FROM CITY OF BAYTOWN ON THIS TRACK. UM, SO IF THEY DON'T WANNA UTILIZE THE DISTRICT, THEY PUT UP WHATEVER THEY WANT OUT HERE. WELL, WHY DON'T YOU GUYS NOT UTILIZE THE DISTRICT AND, AND DO ALL 40 FOOT LOTS? BECAUSE WE LIKE, BECAUSE WE WANT TO CREATE A THOUGHTFUL COMMUNITY. YEAH. WE DON'T JUST PUT, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE. WE'RE A PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANY AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE RESPECT FOR WHAT WE DO. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. BUT I, I WOULD THINK IF, IF THAT SCENARIO THAT YOU DESCRIBED UHHUH, WAS FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE BLOWING AND GOING AS WE SPEAK MM-HMM . RIGHT. AND IT'S, IT'S NOT, YOU WANT, YOU NEED THE DISTRICT TO MAKE IT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE. WELL, THIS COULD, ACCORDING TO OUR POLICY, WE COULD PUT A PI ON A ETJ. RIGHT. THEY'RE CHOOSING NOT TO. THEY'RE CHOOSING NOT TO. RIGHT. YEAH. WELL, I THINK THERE'S STILL, OH, SORRY. GOOD EVENING. UM, MY NAME IS ALEX VAN DOUSER. THE, THE ISSUE WITH THIS TRACT IS THE CITY LIMITS ARE NOT CONTIGUOUS TO THE TRACK, AND THERE IS NO WAY TO FEASIBLY ANNEX UP TO THE TRACK. SO THEREFORE, UNFORTUNATELY FOR PER THE ORDINANCE, UM, TO BE SERVICED BY THE CITY, YOU HAVE TO BE IN THE CITY LIMITS. TO BE IN A PIT, YOU HAVE TO BE IN THE CITY LIMITS. SO THAT ONLY LEAVES THE MUD, UH, AS A VIABLE SOLUTION. UH, WE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE MET EARLY ON WITH BRETT, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE BEGINNING, AND THEN AS SOON AS WE ALL DUG INTO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, IT WAS REALIZED THAT THE CITY COULDN'T EVEN ANNEX THE TRACK IF THEY WANTED TO. AT THIS POINT, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S DISAPPOINTING. MM-HMM . SO WE'RE TRYING TO OFFER A NUMBER OF BENEFITS TO THE TRACK BY, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND WE'RE JUST PROVIDING SOME FEEDBACK. I MEAN, THAT'S WHY YOU GUYS ARE HERE AND YEAH, NO, THIS, THIS IS GREAT. I THINK A LOT OF, QUITE A BIT OF THE FEEDBACK IS, IS THERE'S NOT MUCH OF AN INCLINATION FOR THE 40 FOOT LOTS, SO, OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK MORE THAN THEY, I THINK AGAIN, JUST WORK WITH STAFF AND OBVIOUSLY THAT THEY'LL PROVIDE YOU ANY CLARITY THAT, UH, AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I, BUT I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND AT LEAST THE, THE CONSENSUS OF COUNSEL REGARDING GUARDIAN A DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. WITH THAT, UNLESS ANYBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT ANY ITEMS, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE AGENDA HERE LATER, I GUESS. NO. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN, UH, THE COUNCIL WORK SESSION AND. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.