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SO I'LL CALL THIS MEETING THE BAYTOWN CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION ORDER.
IT'S 5:05 PM WE ARE IN BAYTOWN CITY HALL CHAMBERS.
[a. Discuss possible options to restrict bars, or location with more than 50% of alcohol sales, in the city limits.]
POSSIBLE OPTIONS TO RESTRICT BARS OR LOCATION WITH MORE THAN 50% OF ALCOHOL CELLS IN CITY IN THE BAYTOWN CITY LIMITS.MS. FOSTER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPRESS ANYTHING
WE MET, IT'S GONE DOWN FOR A SECOND.
IT'S TRYING TO BRING IT BACK UP.
CAN YOU HEAR THEM? UM, YOU ARE MUTE.
MAYOR, CAN I DO A CLARIFICATION ON THIS IS THE WORK SESSION, CORRECT? MM-HMM
WORK SESSION IS IS USUALLY JUST US.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL.
UM, WE HAD A, UH, PROJECT, UH, THAT CAME BEFORE YOU ABOUT, UM, TWO MONTHS AGO OR SO.
IT WAS CALLED THE YARD ON MAIN AT 5 0 1 WEST MAIN, AND THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A VARIANCE TO THEIR ALCOHOL LICENSE.
UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THAT ONE TONIGHT, BUT FROM THAT PARTICULAR, UH, CASE, THAT VARIANCE CASE, THAT WILL COME BACK BEFORE YOU AT SOME POINT, UM, WE HAD LOTS OF QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP.
AND
LOTS OF QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP, BUT THERE WERE ACTUALLY TWO, UH, QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD COUNCILMAN ALVARADO AND COUNCILMAN PRESLEY COME IN TO REALLY TALK ABOUT SPECIFICALLY.
AND THAT'S WHAT HAS BROUGHT ME HERE TODAY TO TALK TO YOU.
OKAY? AND THAT'S, IS THIS, UH, TYPE OF BUSINESS, WHAT WE WANT IN OUR DISTRICT, AND WHY ARE THERE SO MANY BARS IN THE OLDER PART OF TOWN? SO FROM THAT, UM, MR. MR. DAVIS ASKED, UH, STAFF TO GET TOGETHER AND SEE WHAT, WHAT OPTIONS DO WE HAVE OUT HERE? WHAT'S GOING ON WITH OUR ALCOHOL LICENSE, OUR BAR SCENE, AND SO FORTH IN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN.
SO, I WANNA START OFF TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS A BAR.
THAT WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP AT THAT VARIANCE, WAS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BAR AND A RESTAURANT.
SO, YOUR TEXAS, UH, ALCOHOL BEVERAGE COMMISSIONER, TABC, ACTUALLY REGULATES ANY ENTITY THAT MANUFACTURES DISTILLS BREWS SELLS, UH, TRANSPORT WAREHOUSE STORE, OR TAKE ORDERS FOR LIQUOR WITHIN THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT WILL BE PROVIDED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
SO BASICALLY ANYTHING HAPPENING WITH ALCOHOL, TABC REGULATES.
THEY ALSO HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT LICENSES AND CERTIFICATES THAT DESCRIBE HOW, WHEN AND WHERE ALCOHOL CAN BE SERVED.
SO, AS A GENERAL RULE, A TRUE RESTAURANT WILL HAVE ANY ALCOHOL SALES THAT ARE LESS THAN 50% OF THEIR GROSS RECEIPTS AND FOOD SALES THAT EXCEED 51% OF THE GROSS RECEIPTS.
OKAY? SO WHEN ESTABLISHMENTS HAVE LESS THAN 51% OF, UH, CONSUMER SALES FOR FOOD AND ALLOW ON-PREMISE CONSUMPTION OF BEER, WINE, OR MIXED BEVERAGES, THEY ARE NOT CONSIDERED A RESTAURANT.
OKAY? SO THIS WOULD INCLUDE A BREW PUB, BREW PUB, WINERY, BIKER BAR, YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD WATERING HOLE, A SPORTS BAR, AND EVEN A UPSCALE WINE BAR.
OKAY? ACTUALLY, TABC ALSO HAS, UM, OR PROVIDES A FOOD AND BEVERAGE CERTIFICATE.
AND THAT SAYS THAT YOU HAVE 40% OF YOUR RECEIPTS FOR NON-ALCOHOLIC SALES.
OKAY? SO IT'S A LITTLE, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
WHAT PEOPLE SEE A LOT OF TIMES IN RESTAURANTS OR IN BARS, YOU'LL SEE THE, A PLACARD THAT SAYS 51% THAT'S ACTUALLY ASSOCIATED WITH GUN LAWS AND HOW MUCH, UH, ALCOHOL CAN BE SOLD IN, IN A ESTABLISHMENT.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHETHER IT'S A RESTAURANT OR NOT.
OKAY? SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S, WE UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE.
SO, WHAT IS A BAR HERE IN BAYTOWN? THE ULDC DEFINES A BAR, UM, AND LOUNGES AS ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE DEVOTED TO SERVING ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR CONSUMPTION ON PREMISE.
AND SERVING FOOD IS ONLY INCIDENTAL TO THE CONSUMPTION OF THOSE BEVERAGES.
SO THAT INCLUDES YOUR COCKTAIL LOUNGES, NIGHTCLUBS, REGULAR STANDALONE BARS, CABARETS, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO IN THE CITY, WE HAVE, UH, APPROXIMATELY 130 OR SO FACILITIES THAT HAVE SOME SORT OF TABC LICENSE FOR, UM, SELLING WINE, BEER, OR MIXED DRINKS FOR ON AND OR
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OFF-PREMISE CONSUMPTION.SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CONVENIENCE STORE, PACKAGE STORE, GROCERY STORE, UM, A SPEC STORE, UM, AS WELL AS BARS AND RESTAURANTS.
ABOUT 19 OF THEM, GIVE OR TAKE, HAVE LESS THAN 51% OF FOOD SALES WITH ON-PREMISE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL.
SO WE ARE, FOR THE, THE, UH, CONSIDERATION OF THIS, THIS DISCUSSION AND MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER THOSE AS STANDALONE BARS HERE IN BAYTOWN.
OKAY? UM, IN THE LAST YEAR, OUR CITY CLERK ACTUALLY PROCESSED 26 NEW REQUESTS FOR ALCOHOL LICENSE.
FIVE OF THOSE WERE STANDALONE BARS, HOWEVER, THREE OF THOSE WERE WERE BARS OR NEW APPLICATIONS IN EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT PREVIOUSLY HAD BARS.
SO NO NEW CONSTRUCTION OF THESE STANDALONE BARS.
SO, AGAIN, IN BAYTOWN, HERE'S SOME OF YOUR EXAMPLES.
TWO OF WHICH ARE, UH, THREE OF WHICH ACTUALLY ARE NOT IN THE OPERATION AS OF TODAY.
BUT YOU HAVE THE SHU COURT GRINDERS, DIRTY BAY, AND PITCHERS CLUB, ALL, ALL, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE ARE CONSIDERED A BAR IN THE YLDC AS WELL AS UNDER TABC RULES.
THE PITCHERS PUB IS ACTUALLY ONE THAT HAS A NEW PENDING LICENSE WITH THE STATE, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BEGIN TO SELL TO GO MARGARITAS OR TO GO, UH, DAIQUIRIS DAIQUIRIS TO GO DAIQUIRIS.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE THE SIGN DOWN AND THEY'RE GOING THROUGH SOME CHANGES.
SO AS FAR AS, UH, LAND USE ARE ULDC OR YOUR ZONING CODE ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE BARS IN YOUR GENERAL COMMERCIAL MIXED USE, LIVABLE CENTERS, SAN JACINTO OVERLAY DISTRICT, AND THE ACE DISTRICT.
OUR CHAPTER SIX, WHICH YOU MAY REMEMBER, WAS THE, UH, WHERE THE ALCOHOL VARIANCE, UM, IS, UH, PLACED IN THE CODE, UH, IMPOSES DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FROM CHURCHES, SCHOOLS, DAYCARES, AND HOSPITALS.
OKAY? THERE IS AN EXCEPTION FOR THE DISTANCE.
IF A FACILITY, UM, THAT HAS AN ALCOHOL LICENSE HOLDS ALSO A FOOD AND BEVERAGE CERTIFICATE THAT I SPOKE ABOUT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER.
AND IF THEY ARE LOCATING IN THE ACE DISTRICT, THOSE ARE TWO EXCEPTIONS IN THE CODE.
THERE ARE A FEW OTHER EXCEPTIONS.
BUT AGAIN, FOR THE PURPOSE, FOR, FOR LAND USE IN THIS CONVERSATION, THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT ARE IMPORTANT.
THIS IS A MAP SHOWING YOU, UM, ON A ZONING MAP, SHOWING YOU THE LOCATION OF OUR BARS.
IT'S A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BUSY BECAUSE OF ALL THE COLORS, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE IN THE MIXED USE DISTRICTS AND GC DISTRICTS.
UM, BUT ONE THING I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT HERE, AND WE'RE GONNA REVISIT THIS, IS THAT MANY OF THEM ARE LOCATED TO, UH, RESIDENTIAL USES.
SO YOU'LL NOTICE THAT YOU HAVE BARS THAT ARE WITHIN BLOCKS OF, OF HOMES.
THE NEXT SLIDE I'M GONNA SHOW YOU THAT YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT BETTER IS BY A COUNCIL DISTRICT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT LOCATIONS OF OUR EXISTING STANDALONE BARS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THEY ARE, UH, CLUSTERED IN DISTRICT ONE, TWO, AND SIX.
OKAY? THEY'RE JUST A COUPLE IN FOUR, UH, GOING NORTH OF TOWN.
BUT AGAIN, ONE, TWO, AND SIX HAS, HAS MOST OF THE BARS.
AND I WOULD SAY DISTRICT TWO HAS MOST OF THE BARS.
SO HERE'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR TONIGHT.
AGAIN, WE, I MENTIONED TO YOU THAT WE DID, UM, SPEAK TO COUNCILMAN ALVARADO AND COUNCILMAN PRESLEY, BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK AT THIS POINT JUST TO, TO UNDERSTAND FROM, FROM THIS BODY, WHAT DO YOU WANNA SEE IN BAYTOWN FOR YOUR BARS? WHAT TYPE OF ESTABLISHMENTS DO YOU WANT? WHAT DO YOU WANT THEM TO LOOK LIKE? AND THEN WHERE DO YOU WANT THEM TO BE LOCATED? SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO, UH, JUST TO START TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK, AT THIS POINT, I HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT EXAMPLES AND PICTURES JUST TO GO THROUGH AND GET, UM, YOU KNOW, GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL.
AND FROM THAT POINT, WE'LL TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS AFTER WE HEAR FROM YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS, THOUGH, BEFORE WE START? ANYTHING ADDRESS? UM, DO YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE A LISTING? 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU MENTIONED THE ONES THAT WORK CLOSE TO NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, BUT I, ARE THEY GRANDFATHERED INTO THAT AREA, OR DO YOU HAVE A LISTING OF THOSE THAT MAY BE GRANDFATHERED AS WELL? SO EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS TODAY IS GRANDFATHERED.
SO EVEN MOVING FORWARD, ANYTHING THAT YOU, YOU MAY DO MOVING FORWARD, THOSE THAT EXIST EXIST NOW, THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THEY CAN LOSE GRANDFATHERING, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THE DISCUSSION.
AND AGAIN, DEPENDING ON THE WAY YOU WANNA HANDLE IT MOVING FORWARD, WE CAN DECIDE HOW TO DO THAT, WHETHER IT'S UNDER THE ZONING CODE, WHETHER IT'S IN CHAPTER SIX, UH, WHERE THEY HAVE ABANDONED THEIR USE FOR, FOR SOME REASON, OR WHEN THEY HAVE TO GO BACK TO TABC AND, UH, SEEK ANOTHER LICENSE.
SO WHAT TYPE OF ESTABLISHMENTS DO YOU WANT? WHAT CHARACTERISTICS DO YOU WANNA SEE? WHAT DO YOU WANT THE BARS TO OFFER? I HAVE A COUPLE OF, UM, VISUALS, JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME IDEAS.
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AREA, GAMES, FOOD POOL, BIG OUTSIDE AREA.ANY OF THESE? DO, DOES ANYBODY RECOGNIZE ANY OF THESE? OH YEAH.
ANYBODY FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONE? I'D LIKE TO BE, THAT'S, UH, OFF OF TRAVIS, DOWNTOWN HOUSTON, THAT'S ACTUALLY INSIDE.
THOUGHT THAT WAS PATRICK'S OFFICE.
PATRICK'S STAFF HAD TO, OF COURSE, VISIT ALL THESE PLACES TO GET PHOTOS.
SO WHO WENT TO TAKE THESE PHOTOS? I WAS WONDERING
WHAT TYPE OF BAR DO YOU WANNA SEE? WELL, LET, LET ME, MS. FOSTER, IF WE CAN, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT A FEW THINGS.
SINCE THERE WAS TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WERE PARTICULARLY, UH, CONCERNED, I GUESS, UM, FOR SOME, I GUESS, DEFINED AREAS IN THEIR DISTRICTS.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM FIRST, UH, SINCE THAT WAS KIND OF THE, THE GENESIS FOR SOME OF THIS DISCUSSION.
SO, UH, MR. PRESLEY, IF YOU DON'T MIND, CAN I START WITH MS. ALVARADO FIRST? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, I KNOW ONE OF THE REASONS I HAD BROUGHT THIS UP, UH, AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THE NEW REDEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA, AND THAT'S REALLY THE ONE THAT I WAS MOST CONCERNED ABOUT.
UM, I, I NOTICED THAT THERE WEREN'T VERY MANY, UM, IN MY DISTRICT, BUT, UH, AT THE SAME TIME AS WE WORKED TO BRING IN NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA, WE DO HAVE A NEW SCHOOL THAT'S GONNA BE IN THE CLOSE PROXIMITY.
AND I, I, I FEEL THAT, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE MARINA, I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THE ONE AT THE MARINA.
I THINK THAT ACTUALLY, UM, IS GOING TO COMPLIMENT WELL, UM, WHEN WE DO OUR HOTEL AND, AND CONFERENCE CENTER.
AND SO I THINK THAT ONE WILL OBVIOUSLY STILL BE OKAY.
UM, AND AS YOU MENTIONED, THEY'RE BEING GRANDFATHERED.
SO IF THERE WERE ANY, I WOULD LIKE MORE OF A, A LOUNGY TYPE FEEL.
UM, I DO LIKE SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT YOU'VE SHOWN ON THERE.
I, I REALLY LIKED THE, THE LOOK AND FEEL THAT COURT GRINDERS USED TO HAVE WITH, UH, LIVE BANDS THAT BROUGHT IN, UH, DIFFERENT GROUPS TO PLAY AND KIND OF A VERY RELAXED ATMOSPHERE.
I KNOW TOWARDS THE END IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN LIKE THAT, BUT, UM, I THINK THEIR INITIAL THOUGHT, UM, I REALLY LIKED THAT CONCEPT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M ENVISIONING.
BUT, UH, DEFINITELY, UM, AWAY FROM THE AREA THAT WE'RE TRYING TO REVITALIZE WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
AND, AND, UM, I KNOW BACK BEFORE MY TIME, WAY BEFORE MY TIME, UM, MY PREDECESSOR, THE, UM, COUNCILWOMAN AND THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT DID A LOT OF WORK WORKING WITH COUNCIL, UM, WITH THE NUMBER OF BARS THAT WERE ON MARKET STREET.
AND SO, UM, AND I KIND OF SPOKE TO HER PRIOR TO THIS TO TRY TO GET SOME INSIGHT FROM HER.
AND SHE SAYS, DO NOT TURN ALL OF OUR HARD WORK BACKWARDS.
SO, UM, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD, SO, OKAY.
SO, I GUESS WHERE I'M COMING FROM MOSTLY PERTAINS TO THE ACE DISTRICT.
AND SO WE TALK ABOUT THE WORD REVITALIZE.
CLEARLY I'M OF THE OPINION THERE'S A PLACE FOR, UH, ALCOHOL RELATED ESTABLISHMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO REVITALIZATION.
HOWEVER, I FEEL THERE'S A BALANCING ACT AND THAT THERE SHOULD BE A MIX OF USES.
SO WHAT, WHAT, I GUESS MY CONCERN, FOR THE LACK OF A BETTER WORD, WOULD NOT BE ABOUT ANYTHING THAT EXISTS TODAY.
THAT DOESN'T EVEN, IN MY OPINION, DOESN'T EVEN FACTOR INTO THE DISCUSSION.
WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE TODAY IS, IS WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.
AND WE'RE GONNA DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THEY CONTINUE ON TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
HOWEVER, AS WE LOOK FORWARD AND WE TRY TO REVITALIZE AN AREA OR AREA, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I, I THINK OF THE ACE DISTRICT AND I THINK ABOUT THE DIRECTION WE'RE TRYING TO GO IN, MAKING IT FAMILY FRIENDLY.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THINGS LIKE FARMER'S MARKETS.
WE HAVE AN ICE RINK THAT PREDOMINANTLY CATERS TO CHILDREN.
WE HAVE EASTER EGG HUNTS, WE HAVE SNOW DAYS.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, A MIX OF USES IS THE DIRECTION WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GO THERE.
AND OBVIOUSLY IF YOU, YOU GET TOO MANY OF, OF ONE USE, UM, I MEAN, IT INTERFERES WITH, WITH GETTING A MIX OF USES THAT, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET.
AND IT FACTORS INTO RESIDENTIAL AS WELL.
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HAVE A LOT OF, UM, OPEN SPACE THERE THAT WE HOPE TO GET A BOUTIQUE HOTEL OR A, A RESIDENTIAL PROJECT AT SOME POINT.SO EVERYTHING HAS TO BE COMPLIMENTARY.
AND, UH, WHAT I, WHAT I LIKE TO SEE, WHAT I FULLY SUPPORT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK IN THE ACE DISTRICT IS BARS AND GRILLS, NEIGHBORHOOD PUBS THAT SERVE FOOD, UM, BREW PUBS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S PET FRIENDLY AND KID FRIENDLY.
UM, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS SEE A STANDARD.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THERE, WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO REVITALIZE AN AREA, THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY TOPIC THAT'S NOT OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.
AND I FILLED IT A FEW PHONE CALLS AND I APPRECIATE MOST OF THEM THAT I RECEIVED.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M TRYING TO DO MY JOB AND I'M TRYING TO REVITALIZE AN AREA THAT EVERYBODY'S WORKED HARD TO TRY TO REVITALIZE, AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE THAT MISSION.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
WE'RE JUST, WE'RE TRYING TO REFINE AS WE GO.
IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING THAT EXISTS TODAY.
AND I WANNA BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
SO I JUST WANT TO BOTH, WHAT I HEARD FROM BOTH OF Y'ALL, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR TOO.
SO FROM, FROM MS. ALVARADO, UM, I DID HEAR, UM, IT'S NOT SO MUCH JUST, JUST THE BAR, BUT ANY, ANY NEW BARS, IT WOULD BE MORE THE TYPE OF ESTABLISHMENT THAT IT WOULD BE TO, TO KIND OF ELEVATE THE, I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY, THE AMENITIES AND STANDARDS.
AND THEN I THINK FROM COUNCILMAN PRESLEY, WHAT I'M HEARING BESIDES THAT IS HE REALLY IS JUST MORE CONCERNED WITH THE ACE DISTRICT, BUT THAT'S OTHER DISCUSSION, BUT THE ACE DISTRICT AND, AND WHAT THAT WOULD REALLY, UM, LOOK LIKE.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S MY STARTING PLACE.
IN DISTRICT TWO, WE HAVE A DEFINED BOUNDARY.
WE'VE HAD LOADS OF PUBLIC INPUT.
WE KNOW THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO, AND, AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE EVENTUALLY GET THERE, WHETHER IT'S ONE YEAR FROM NOW OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW, WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR.
AND THE ONLY OTHER CLARIFICATION I WANNA MAKE, 'CAUSE I DID FILL A FEW CALLS, UH, ALSO THIS WEEK ONCE THIS ITEM WAS POSTED, IS THAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT ANY EXISTING ESTABLISHMENT.
IT'S NOW, IT'S NOT ABOUT CLOSING ANY OF THEM DOWN, WHICH NONE OF 'EM ARE OPEN RIGHT NOW ANYWAY, PER THE GOVERNOR'S ORDER.
BUT THIS WOULD BE THE, A DISCUSSION THAT COUNSEL CAN HAVE A LEGAL DISCUSSION REGARDING THIS ISSUE AND SEE WHAT DIRECTION, IF ANY, THAT WE'D LIKE TO GO TO, UM, FOR NEW ESTABLISHMENTS.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT, BUT I'M, I'M CERTAINLY READY TO HEAR FROM OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND, AND THIS IS A DISCUSSION WE HAD FOUR AND A HALF OR FIVE YEARS AGO.
I KNOW THE ONLY THREE THAT REMAINED TODAY FROM THAT DISCUSSION WAS COUNCILMAN HOSKINS, MAYOR CAPRIO, AND MYSELF.
AND IT, IT, THERE WAS A CONSENSUS THERE, BUT IT DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD AT THAT TIME.
AND, UH, LIKE I SAY, IT'S JUST THE LONGER YOU WAIT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU MAY BE FIGHTING SOME THINGS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER.
IS THERE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES, MR. SO I, I SEE ALL THESE PRETTY PICTURES AND THEY'RE GREAT.
I MEAN, THEY LOOK GREAT, BUT WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY OF THAT.
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT HAPPENING ONE, TWO, OR SIX.
I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT SOME OF THAT STUFF'S GOT A MILLION MULTIMILLION DOLLAR PRICE TAGS WRITTEN ON IT TO SET UP THE BREWERIES AND THE KETTLES AND ALL THAT STUFF.
WHAT MY CONCERN WOULD BE, AND I THINK MAYBE WHAT ONE AND TWO'S CONCERN WOULD BE IS THERE'S PEOPLE GOING IN DOWN THERE AND OPENING UP A BAR, AND I, AND I'M JUST THROWING NUMBERS FOR, THEY PUT THREE OR 4,000 BUCKS INTO IT AND THEY'RE OPEN.
IT'S AN OLD DILAPIDATED BUILDING THAT THEY ROLL THE DOORS OPEN ON IT AND HANG A SIGN.
AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A JUNKY.
IT ONLY TAKES AWAY, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE DON'T WANT.
BUT, UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET INVESTMENT LIKE THAT IN ONE, TWO, OR SIX ON ANY OF THOSE PICTURES THAT WE SAW.
I THINK WE'RE JUST KIDDING OURSELVES.
I MEAN, YOU CAN ASK US WHAT DO YOU WANT? YOU'RE RIGHT, I WANT THAT ANYWHERE IN TOWN, CHERYL, I'LL TAKE IT.
WELL, AND AND TO CLARIFY, THIS IS FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.
SO WE, WE WANNA, ANYTHING WE DO MOVING FORWARD, WE SHOULD CONSIDER THE ENTIRE CITY.
WE'LL HAVE SPECIAL AREAS, DISTRICTS AND THAT KIND OF THING, BUT WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S OPEN TO THE ENTIRE CITY.
YEAH, NO, GREG AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT, UH, I THINK OUR PROBLEM IS THESE LITTLE BARS THAT JUST COME UP FOR A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS INVESTMENT.
I MEAN, IF, IF THE MOST OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT'S COST TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT'S, THAT'S NOT THE KIND OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WE'RE AFTER.
AND I CAN TELL YOU, I'M SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE, SO I'VE WITNESSED ONE OR TWO ACTS AT AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT I DIDN'T WANNA SEE MYSELF.
AND I CAN TELL YOU CHILDREN SHOULDN'T HAVE SEEN IT EITHER.
SO THOSE ARE THE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T LEGISLATE MORALITY.
AND LIKE I SAY, IT'S JUST TRYING TO RAISE THE STANDARD ON FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, SO TO SPEAK.
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IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE NEED TO FLIP IT AND, AND ASK US, WHAT DO YOU NOT WANT INSTEAD OF WHAT YOU DO WANT.YEAH, THOSE ARE BEAUTIFUL PICTURES AND I WANT IT, BUT WHAT DO I NOT WANT? WELL, MAYBE, MAYBE I SPOKE TO THAT A LITTLE BIT AND THAT'S FAIR.
LET ME ASK A TECHNICAL QUE SO, UH, BARS RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE USUALLY, I MEAN, THE ONES THAT EXISTED THEIR GRANDFATHER, EVEN BY ZONING, ARE THEY CONS? ARE THEY NORMALLY JUST IN A GC HO UH, ZONING CLASSIFICATION AS FAR AS USE? UH, GENERAL COMMERCIAL MIXED USE, LIVABLE CENTERS.
YOUR SAN JACINTO OVERLAY AND ACE AND PLANT.
URBAN SERVING, NOT URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING COMMERCIAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING THIS ITEM? I GUESS I'LL GIVE YOU GOT IT COVERED.
I GUESS I'LL GIVE A OPPOSING OPINION.
I GUESS I'M MORE OF A FAN OF FREE MARKET ENTERPRISE AND I SUPPORT ENTREPRENEURSHIP, INCLUDING PEOPLE WHO WANNA INVEST THEIR MONEY TO START UP BARS.
I KNOW NOT EVERY BAR IS, UH, CREATED EQUAL, AND I GET THAT.
BUT I ALSO THINK IF YOU PRODUCE A BAD PRODUCT, THEN FREE MARKET ENTERPRISE TAKES CARE OF THAT.
I'M VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT US OVERREGULATING BUSINESS IN GENERAL, AND, UM, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S GONNA STIFLE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UM, I JUST, I THINK FROM WHAT I HEAR TODAY, UM, I THINK THIS IS A DANGEROUS CONVERSATION AND I WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF IT.
YOU KNOW WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO, TO SEE, AND I KNOW IT'LL BE MORE, AND LIKE YOU SAID, DISTRICTS ONE, TWO, AND SIX, OH, MAYBE ONE OR TWO AND THREE.
BUT, UM, PROBABLY WITH THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS, THAT'S ONE THING THAT'S ALREADY GONNA BE BY TABC DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS ANYWHERE IT SAYS CHAPTER SIX HERE, BUT, UM, FIRST THAT'S GONNA LIMIT ANY NEW APPLICATIONS FOR THE MOST PART.
THAT 300 FEET OR 500 FEET DISTANCE FROM SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES AND, AND OTHER YES, SIR.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS TODAY.
SO COULD, I WOULD THINK BEFORE I, I THINK THIS NEEDS TO HAVE BE A CONTINUED DISCUSSION, BUT WE NEED MORE DATA.
AT LEAST SOME MORE INFORMATION.
I KNOW THERE'S ONLY A FEW DAYS LEFT FOR YOU, MS. FOSTER.
OH, I WOULDN'T BE GETTING THE DATA, BUT, UH, I, I
BUT, BUT POINT BEING IS AT LEAST WE WOULD, WE WOULD KIND OF ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY LIMITED, IT'S ALREADY SELF-LIMITING AS FAR AS FROM DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS.
THEN WE CAN GET INTO THE CONVERSATION, DEPENDING ON YOUR PERSPECTIVE AS COUNCILMAN HESSEL SAID, WHAT DO WE, WHAT WOULD WE LIKE TO SEE IN YOU LICENSING APPLICATIONS AND, AND OR, OR WHAT WOULD WE NOT LIKE TO SEE? OKAY.
I, I THINK, UH, I THINK IT'S BEEN CLEAR FROM COUNCILMAN PRESLEY'S PERSPECTIVE IS CERTAINLY CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OR WHATEVER LEWD ACTIVITY THAT YOU WANNA DESCRIBE.
I WASN'T THERE, I DON'T WANNA DESCRIBE IT.
WELL, I DON'T WANT YOU TO DESCRIBE IT EITHER, BUT POINT BEING IS, UH, I, I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT, THAT IF WE HAVE MOVING FORWARD WITH ESTABLISHED BARS, THAT THAT THERE IS, UM, A, A SENSE OF, UM, ELEVATED EXPECTATIONS, I WOULD ASSUME AS FAR AS, UH, OF WHAT WE LIKE TO HAVE.
I THINK THERE IS, I HEARD, WELL, AT LEAST I WOULD ASSUME IF IT'S FOOD OFFERINGS, IF IT'S LOUNGE LIKE, OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
BUT I THINK FIRST LET'S JUST LOOK AT HOW, HOW LIMITED WE ALREADY ARE IN THE CURRENT DISTANCING REQUIREMENT AS A MAP, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND.
WELL, WELL ACTUALLY IT'S 300 FEET FROM ANY CHURCH, SCHOOL, UM, HOSPITAL.
SO MAPPING THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO GO THROUGH THE CITY AND GO TO ALL OF THOSE USES IN 300 FEET OUT.
YOU UNDERSTAND? NOW? WELL WITH THAT, LET ME ASK YOU WITH THE, THE 300 FEET IS, OKAY, SO FOR CHURCHES, IS IT A CERTAIN LENGTH, DISTANCE? UH, AND THEN SCHOOLS, DAYCARE, IS THERE, IS THERE A DIFFERENCE OR ALL, ARE THEY ALL 300 FEET? THEY'RE ALL 300 FEET.
THE WAY THEY'RE MEASURED IS DIFFERENT.
ONE IS, UH, FROM DOOR TO DOOR, AND THE OTHER IS, I THINK LOT LAWN.
YEAH, SO, SO THINK ABOUT ALL THOSE USES WE HAVE IN BAYTOWN AND THEN MAPPING.
WELL, THE REASON WHY I, I FIGURED WE CAN, I I WAS HOPING WE CAN JUST DO LIKE RADIUSES OF, OF THE, HOWEVER, 190.
NOW, WOULD THAT INCLUDE EVEN, UH, CONVENIENCE STORES? YES.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF, I'M SAYING ALREADY, THERE'S ALREADY LIMITED AREAS BY THAT.
SO SOMEHOW IF WE CAN GIVE A GENERAL, UH, VISUAL OF WHAT'S LIMITED, AND THEN WE'LL KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
SO, AND THE FEEDBACK WE'D LIKE TO GET FROM YOU ALL IS WHAT TYPE OF THINGS? THOSE ELEVATED CHARACTERISTICS, WHAT ARE THOSE THAT YOU WANT? THAT'S FAIR.
BECAUSE DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU SAY GIVES US A PATH OF HOW DO YOU DO THAT? WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, DOING SOMETHING IN CHAPTER SIX, DOING SOMETHING IN THE ULDC, PROVIDING CONDITIONS, PROVIDING A LEVEL OF APPROVAL THAT COMES BEFORE YOU ALL DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY'RE BRINGING, BRINGING TO THE TABLE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO KIND OF GET SOME IDEAS.
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THIS BODY DO, DO YOU FEEL, YOU KNOW, THE LOUNGING A LOUNGING AREA, LIVE MUSIC, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN KIND OF WORK WITH.DO YOU WANT MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE? DO YOU WANT SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR ENTERTAINMENT THINGS INSIDE? DO YOU WANT, UM, YOU KNOW, PARKING? DO YOU WANT 'EM TO BE UNIQUE, UNIQUE INTERIOR SPACES? LIKE WHAT KIND OF THINGS ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? 'CAUSE THERE'S SO MANY WAYS THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY WRITE THIS.
AND IF I MAY, MAYOR, UM, I, I, I DON'T FEEL THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE ALL OF THEM HAVE LIFE MUSIC.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO DIFFER.
AND, UH, I PERSONALLY, I I DON'T FEEL THAT WE'RE TRYING TO STIFLE, UM, ENTREPRENEURSHIP.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING IS TRYING TO SET A STANDARD, UM, JUST LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND THE CITY, NEW BUSINESSES, ET CETERA.
BUT I FEEL THAT WITH NEW BUSINESSES THAT ARE COMING IN, BECAUSE I'M TALKING ABOUT NEW BUSINESSES NOW, NEW, UM, B BARS, LOUNGES, WE HAVE TO REALLY, UM, INVITE THEM TO COME AND TALK TO BRETT OR, OR, UH, BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT TO REALLY TALK ABOUT WHAT WE NEED, HOW WE CAN HELP THEM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THEY EVEN DROP THE FIRST DOLLAR ON THEIR INVESTMENT.
UM, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE VERY KEY TO THE SUCCESS OF NOT JUST, UM, THESE TYPES OF BUSINESSES, BUT ALL BUSINESSES.
AND SO THE SOONER THAT THEY GET THAT ASSISTANCE AND KNOWLEDGE OF OUR ZONING AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, WHAT WE FEEL MAY HELP THEM BE MORE SUCCESSFUL, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE BETTER.
AND, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL KNOWLEDGEABLE ENOUGH RIGHT NOW TO SAY, HEY, I NEED IT TO BE THIS DISTANCE, THAT DISTANCE, ET CETERA.
UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, A FEW OF THEM WITH THE LOUNGE OR, YOU KNOW, FREE WIFI, ET CETERA, UM, THOSE WOULD BE NICE AMENITIES AND LIFE MUSIC.
AGAIN, I'M, I'M KIND OF THINKING MORE ON THE LINES OF WHAT COURT GRINDER HAD, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY THE ONLY ONE THAT I WENT TO BECAUSE I LEFT THEIR CAR, YOU KNOW, UM, AND THE LITTLE CHEESE TRAYS THAT THEY HAD.
BUT, UM, THAT'S REALLY JUST WHAT I SEE.
THE, THE NEW SCHOOL, FOR INSTANCE, THAT GOES IN AND VERSUS THE GRANDFATHER SITUATION WHEN, WHEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BUILDS A NEW SCHOOL, IF THERE WAS A BAR NEXT TO WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THE SCHOOL AT, THEY STILL GET THE GRANDFATHER THING? YES.
THERE'S NO RIGHT, THERE'S NO ABILITY TO, MM-HMM.
GRANDFATHER'S A GRANDFATHER, HUH? IT'S YES, SIR.
WELL, I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL DIRECTION, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO, WANTS TO PROVIDE IT, BUT I WOULD THINK FOR AT LEAST DISTRICTS ONE AND TWO, IF THERE WAS ANY PARTICULAR FOCUS AREAS IN YOUR DISTRICT OR ANYBODY'S DISTRICT HERE, THEN PLEASE COMMUNICATE THAT WITH STAFF.
IF THERE WERE SOME AREAS THAT YOU WANT, I MEAN, YOU HAVE ACE, YOURS IS ACE DISTRICT, AND I WOULD CONSIDER THAT A SPECIAL DISTRICT.
BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING WITHIN YOUR COUNCIL DISTRICTS, THEN, UH, I WOULD COMMUNICATE THAT WITH, WITH STAFF ALSO.
SO, JUST A FINAL COMMENT, MAYOR, IF I COULD PLEASE.
SO, AND I AGREE WITH MS. ALVARADO, THE INTENT'S NOT TO STALE ANYTHING, AND I, I, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT.
I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE A PROLIFERATION OF INCOMPATIBLE AND UNCOMPLIMENTARY USES, YOU'RE GOING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO TAKE ACTION THAT WILL RESULT IN THINGS WE WANT TO SEE AND GROWTH IN SOMETHING CALLED REVITALIZATION AND HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY, THE INTENT IS JUST THE OPPOSITE.
AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS BEFORE, BEFORE I LEAVE THIS IS WHAT I LAID OUT FOR NEXT STEPS FOR YOU ALL, IS TO DEFINE BETTER DEFINE BARS IN YOU'LL DC IN IN CHAPTER SIX, HOWEVER YOU WANNA SEE THAT.
AND ESTABLISH WHATEVER CONDITIONS YOU MAY WANT.
UM, AND THEN PROVIDE THE OPTIONS FOR REGULATIONS ON AND LOCATIONS FOR NEW BARS.
SO IF YOU WANNA DO SOMETHING IN ACE OR YOU WANNA DO SOMETHING BY A DISTRICT, YOU CAN DO THAT.
UM, DETERMINING THE LEVEL OF AUTHORITY FOR APPROVAL.
COUNCILMAN ALVARADO MENTIONED, UH, WHEN PEOPLE COME INTO THE CITY OR IN THE CITY AND TALK TO, UH, MR. ELLA, WE NEED SOME GUIDANCE FROM YOU ALL ON AT THAT LEVEL AS WELL.
WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, YOU MAY REMEMBER, IS WITH MULTI-FAMILY, UM, DEVELOPMENTS, YOU ALL DID A RESOLUTION.
WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE THAT TO WHOMEVER WALKS IN BEFORE THEY GET INTO A LONG DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
WE DID THE SAME THING WITH, UM, UM, SOMETHING ELSE.
APARTMENTS AND, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF THE HEAD.
STORAGE FACILITIES, STORAGE FACILITIES.
WE'VE DONE SOMETHING WITH HOTELS, WAIT AND SEE COME OUT,
UM, BUT WE'VE DONE THOSE THINGS FOR, FOR NEW MUDS AND PIS FOR RESIDENTIAL.
AND WHAT WE DID IS WE GOT SOME OF YOUR WISHLISTS, SO TO SPEAK, THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
AND THEN WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE IT TO PEOPLE AS SOON AS THEY WALKED THROUGH THE DOOR AND THEY KNOW WHAT YOUR STANDARDS ARE
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WITHOUT ACTUALLY HAVING HARDCORE REGULATIONS, UM, IN THE CODE.SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU MIGHT WANNA, WANNA CONSIDER.
YOU'RE WILLING TO LIST FROM US FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN AND OPEN UP A BAR AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT COUNCIL WANTS.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE ENFORCEMENT BEHIND THAT? THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS YOU CAN, THAT SOMEBODY CAN TAKE YOU TO COURT AND SAY, THIS ISN'T RIGHT.
SO I THINK WE'RE DOING IT BACKWARDS.
THESE NEXT STEPS I'M LOOKING AT, THAT'S THE JOB FOR CITY ADMINISTRATION TO BE DOING, TO BRING TO US.
I, I'M, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE.
YOU'RE THROWING SOMETHING, WHAT DO YOU WANNA BUILD THIS? LIKE, NO, IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
THE JOB HERE IS FOR Y'ALL TO BUILD THIS, BRING IT TO US FOR APPROVAL AND, AND GET COMMENTS THAT WAY.
BUT COUNCIL MEMBER THIS, YOU, I THINK WE'RE DOING THIS BACKWARDS, SO, SO YOU ARE SETTING THE POLICY.
WE, WE HAD A REQUEST FROM TWO OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND SO WE WANTED TO BRING IT TO THE BODY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT POLICY KIND OF DECISIONS YOU WANT US TO MAKE.
AND ABSOLUTELY, WE'RE GONNA WRITE IT.
I, I WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM INPUT SO THEY CAN DEVELOP, BUT WE NEED INPUT TO WRITE IT.
WE, WE HAVE A BLANK SHEET AT THIS POINT, SO WE DEFINITELY NEED YOUR INPUT, YOUR INPUT TO WRITE IT.
BRING THE BARN THAT WAS UP FRONT.
I THINK, I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE NOW.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM, UH,
[b. Discuss the composition and mission of the new Citizen Engagement Advisory Committee, including its composition, member qualifications, duties, terms appointments and possible outreach initiatives.]
ONE B, DISCUSS THE COMPOSITION OF MISSION OF THE NEW CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, INCLUDING ITS COMPOSITION, MEMBER QUALIFICATIONS, DUTIES, TERM APPOINTMENTS, AND POSSIBLE OUTREACH INITIATIVES.GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL.
AS YOU RECALL, ON, UM, JUNE 11TH OF THIS YEAR, WE PASSED A RESOLUTION TO ESTABLISH THE CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
AND, UH, ON THAT RESOLUTION, WE SAID THAT IT WASN'T GOING TO TAKE EFFECT UNTIL AUGUST 30TH.
SO THAT GAVE US SOME TIME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE RESOLUTION AGAIN, SEE WHAT YOU WANTED, WHAT CHANGES YOU WANTED, AND WE HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AT, TO RETREAT THAT WE HELD ON JULY 17TH.
SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD.
AS YOU RECALL, WE TALKED ABOUT FOUR DIFFERENT SUBJECTS.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, ADMINISTRATION, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE COMPOSITION, THE DUTIES, AND SO I JUST WANNA TAKE EACH ONE OF THOSE ONE AT A TIME AND SHOW YOU WHAT WE SAW, WHAT WE HEARD, AND WHERE WE ARE NOW.
AND THEN WE CAN GET SOME MORE INPUT AND SEE HOW WE WANT TO, TO GO, UH, FURTHER.
SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND BRING YOU SOMETHING BACK AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
SO THE FIRST THING WE TALKED ABOUT WAS COMPOSITION.
AND PRETTY MUCH IT SEEMED LIKE EVERYBODY WAS WANTING ABOUT NINE MEMBERS, AND THOSE WOULD BE APPOINTED BY EACH MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
IT WOULD HAVE ONE APPOINTMENT PLUS ONE BY THE CITY MANAGER AND ONE BY THE, UH, THE POLICE CHIEF.
THE NEXT ONE WE HEARD WAS THE APPOINTMENTS.
BASICALLY IT WAS A STANDARD PROCESS.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IS HAVING A TWO YEAR TERM FOR EACH APPOINTMENT.
SO WHEN YOU FIRST START A COMMITTEE, YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHO GETS THE ONE YEAR, WHO GETS A TWO YEAR.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT MAYBE THE FIVE WOULD GET THE TWO YEAR FOUR WOULD GET THE ONE YEAR.
AND WE JUST DETERMINE THAT BY LOT, UM, IS HOW IT'S CURRENTLY DRAFTED AND CURRENTLY PROPOSED.
WE CAN CHANGE THAT HOWEVER YOU WANT.
UH, VACANCIES OF COURSE, IF SOMEONE DROPS OUT, MOVES AWAY FROM THE CITY, UM, THEN THAT WOULD BE FILLED IN THE SAME MANNER IF THEY WERE APPOINTED.
SO IF IT WAS A DISTRICT NUMBER SIX APPOINTMENT, DISTRICT NUMBER SIX WOULD HAVE A, A REAPPOINTMENT.
AGAIN, THE TERMS WE SAID THAT WOULD, UM, POTENTIALLY START DEPENDING ON WHEN YOU PASS YOUR NEXT RESOLUTION.
THIS NEXT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MEETING, THE EFFECTIVE DATE WE'RE PROPOSING WOULD BE OCTOBER ONE.
SO WE WOULD THINK THAT THEIR TERMS THEN WOULD START OCTOBER ONE.
THAT WOULD GIVE YOU SEVERAL COUNCIL MEETINGS TO GO AHEAD AND, AND APPOINT PEOPLE TO THE, THE COMMITTEE.
WE HEARD ALSO THAT YOU WERE NOT INTERESTED IN EX-OFFICIO MEMBERS.
SO WE, WE SCRATCHED THAT AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT SOME QUALIFICATIONS AND WE TALKED ABOUT HOW WHETHER THEY SHOULD BE RESIDENTS, WHETHER THEY HAD TO BE RESIDENTS OR IF THERE SHOULD BE SOME OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO APPOINT FROM THE ETJ.
SO CURRENTLY AS IT STANDS NOW, WE HAVEN'T DRAFTED WHERE EACH COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, HAS AN APPOINTMENT FROM A RESIDENT AND THEN THE MAYOR CAN POINT EITHER A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OR A RESIDENT IN OUR ETJ, EITHER WAY.
AND THAT WAS SOMETHING I THINK WAS STILL KIND OF, UM, SUBJECT TO DISCUSSION.
ALSO, WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE SOME QUALIFICATIONS AS FAR AS WHETHER THEY HAD, COULD PARTICIPATE IN POLICE EDUCATION PROGRAMS OR ACTIVITIES.
SO WE PUT IN THERE THAT THEY SHALL ANNUALLY, MAYBE YOU WANT THAT TO DO IT ONCE A TERM, BUT RIGHT NOW, AS WE
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CURRENTLY HAVE IT DRAFTED, IT IS JUST ANNUALLY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT.AND THEN LASTLY, WE TALKED ABOUT THE PURPOSE, UM, AND THE PURPOSE.
I THINK IN THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION, IT SOUNDED LIKE THE SAME PURPOSE THAT WE WANTED TO CONTINUE, AND THAT WAS TO ENHANCE AND ENCOURAGE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS AND THE CITY TO PROVIDE COMMENTS, SUGGESTIONS, AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL ON POLICE OUTREACH, COMMUNITY POLICING OFFICER TRAINING AND POLICIES AND PROCEDURES TO ENSURE BEST PRACTICES ARE IN PLACE AND OPERATIONAL TO CREATE A COMMUNITY OF TRUST.
WE ALSO HEARD THAT YOU WANTED, UM, REPORTS BACK FROM THE COMMITTEE QUARTERLY.
SO GOING FORWARD, WE HAVE THE UPCOMING DATES.
AGAIN, YOUR, YOUR CURRENT RESOLUTION TAKES EFFECT ON AUGUST 30TH, THE AMENDED RESOLUTION AS IT GOES RIGHT NOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THAT TO YOU AT YOUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING SO YOU CAN MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THAT AS YOU SEE FIT.
UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS WHAT WE HEARD AT THE, AT THE LAST MEETING THAT THEY CAN BE WHATEVER ELSE WE HEAR FROM IN INPUT FROM TODAY.
UM, AND WE ARE PROPOSING THAT THAT GOES AGAIN INTO EFFECT ON OCTOBER ONE.
AND THE AMENDED RESOLUTION PROVIDES A TERM OF OFFICE, AS WE TALKED ABOUT COMMENCING OCTOBER ONE.
SO THAT DOES GIVE YOU SOME OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME, UM, APPLICATION SUBMITTED AND BE ABLE TO MAKE YOUR APPOINTMENTS.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, UH, OUR CITY MANAGER IS GONNA GO OVER SOME OTHER CONSIDERATIONS YOU ALL MIGHT WANNA TALK ABOUT, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR BELIEVE THAT WE DIDN'T HEAR YOU CORRECTLY, UM, PLEASE JUST LET US KNOW AND WE'LL MAKE WHATEVER REVISIONS YOU DESIRE.
SO, UH, KAREN ALREADY ADDRESSED THE ISSUE OF, UM, UH, HOW THE, UH, TERMS OUGHT TO BE STAGGERED.
SHE RECOMMENDED WE DO THAT ACCORDING TO LOTS.
THE OTHER QUESTION THAT WE HAD OUT OUT THERE, I THINK WE, THERE WASN'T A TERRIBLY CLEAR CONSENSUS ON THE ETJ VERSUS UH, UH, RESIDENT OF INCORPORATED AREA, UH, FACTOR WHETHER THAT LATITUDE OUGHT TO BE GIVEN TO ANY PERSON APPOINTING A PERSON TO THIS COMMITTEE.
SO I THINK THERE WERE SOME, UH, BELIEFS OR THINGS ARTICULATED FROM YOU ALL THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT THEY OUGHT TO BE, ALL OF THEM OUGHT TO BE RESIDENTS OF, OF BAYTOWN.
AND THEN, UH, I THINK THAT SOFTENED A LITTLE BIT WHEN IT CAME TO THE MAYORAL APPOINTMENT THAT MAYBE, UH, HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO APPOINT, UH, SOMEBODY FROM THE UTJ.
SO WE DID CLARIFY THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT ONE.
UH, STAFF APPOINTMENTS, UH, UH, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUALIFICATIONS, UH, TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE THAT WE'RE NOT THINKING OF THAT YOU ALL HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T, UH, CAPTURE AND UM, ALSO, UH, HOW TO MAKE THIS TRANSITION FROM THE CURRENT INFORMAL, UH, LESS FORMAL COMMITTEE THAT, UH, THE MAYOR PUT TOGETHER OVER A YEAR AND A, A YEAR AGO, UH, AND, UH, TO THIS NEW FORMALIZED COMMITTEE STRUCTURE.
UH, THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NOT, UH, COMPLETELY CLARIFIED YET.
SO IN ADDITION TO CONSIDERING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT KAREN ALREADY PRESENTED AND GETTING FEEDBACK FROM YOU, UH, ON THAT HERE TODAY, UH, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE RECEIVING CLARIFICATION ON SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS TO THE DEGREE THAT WE FORM A CONSENSUS WOULD BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.
BUT YOU GUYS DID A VERY, VERY GOOD JOB, I THOUGHT AT, AT THAT, UH, RETREAT.
I KNOW WE TOOK ABOUT 75% OF THE TIME ON THE, ON THIS ISSUE, BUT THAT WAS ALL INTENDED.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, I'LL LEAVE IT IN YOUR HANDS, MAYOR.
SO I GUESS LET'S PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION.
UM, I GUESS THE FIRST ONE, I THINK IT'S PRETTY EASY, BUT AS FAR AS THE TERMS BETWEEN ONE YEAR AND TWO YEAR, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE Y'ALL'S PLEASURE IS AS FAR AS DETERMINING BY LOTS, WHICH I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE IN MOST CASES FOR OUR OTHER COMMITTEES.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE COUNCIL WAS REALLY, BECAUSE WE'RE FORMALIZING THIS AD HOC COMMITTEE IN A SENSE AS THEY WERE REALLY TRYING TO MIRROR WHAT WE ALREADY ESTABLISHED ARE THE COMMITTEES.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I, WE'RE OPEN TO WHATEVER, BUT I, I THINK LOTS IS JUST EASY TO DO.
ETJ APPOINTMENT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S GOOD ARGUMENT ON BOTH SIDES.
I KNOW THERE WAS SOME, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, THAT REALLY FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IF THESE INDIVIDUALS THAT SERVE ON THIS COMMITTEE, IF THEY ARE GOING TO, UH, IN A SENSE REPRESENT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT IN BAYTOWN, THAT THIS WOULD BE SOMEBODY THAT SHOULD, UM, WHEN CALLED IF IT'S 9 1 1 OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, WOULD BE SOMEBODY WITH A BADGE FROM THE CITY OF BAYTOWN.
AND SO I CERTAINLY RESPECT THAT.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT, THAT, UH, I CERTAINLY GET THAT INITIATIVE.
HOWEVER, I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS, WHEN THIS COMMITTEE ORIGINALLY WAS, UM, CONSTRUCTED, IT WAS WITHOUT REGARD REALLY TO, UM, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL LOCATION, IT WAS MORE PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE COMMUNITY.
UH, IT COULD BE MINISTERIAL, PASTOR TYPE, PASTORAL TYPE, UH, FOLKS.
IT COULD BE STUFF THAT PEOPLE THAT WERE IN EDUCATIONAL, UH, COLLEGE EDUCATIONAL,
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UM, ROLES.AND SO IT WAS, WITHOUT REGARD TO THAT, SO I, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT I UNDERSTAND.
UM, HOWEVER, I WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S SOME INDIVIDUALS THAT, THAT, UH, SEVERAL, THE COMMITTEE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB.
A LOT OF 'EM DID A REALLY GREAT JOB, UH, IN, IN AS THE MONTHS DID TRANSPIRE PRE COVID.
UM, I WOULD LIKE THE ABILITY PERSONALLY TO, TO AT LEAST CONSIDER AN ETJ APPOINTMENT.
UH, EVEN IF IT'S MAYBE JUST IN, IN MY, IN, IN TO SERVE ONE TERM.
THAT ONE MIGHT BE IN A ONE TERM FOR THE ETJ AT MY OPTION, BUT THAT WOULD BE IT AFTER THAT.
AND IT WOULD, IT WOULD, IT WOULD REVERT TO A CITYWIDE ONLY, UH, APPOINTMENT.
SO IF THEY GET A ONE YEAR TERM OR TWO YEAR TERM, SO BE IT.
BUT THE, THE THE, UH, THE RENEWAL OF THAT TERM WOULD BE FROM A CITY OF BAYTOWN, UM, RESIDENT.
AND, AND THAT WOULD BE MY COMPROMISE, I GUESS, TO Y'ALL, UH, IN ORDER TO GO AND PROCEED WITH THAT ON, ON THE ETJ.
THIS IS CERTAINLY A, A TEAM EFFORT.
WE WANNA ENSURE THAT WE, WE CONSTRUCT A GOOD FRAMEWORK FOR THIS COMMITTEE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ELEVATING IT TO, TO A STANDING COMMITTEE WITH THE CITY OF BAYTOWN, UM, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO DO SO.
UM, BUT WITH THAT, WE, WE DO NEED TO PROVIDE ADMINISTRATION WITH SOME DIRECTION ON THAT.
SO MAYOR, I WANNA ADD ON THE ETHA AND IT'S NOT SO MUCH I THINK WHERE THEY LIVE, BUT THEY MAY ALSO WORK AND DO BUSINESS IN BAYTOWN.
AND SO I THINK THAT HAS TO BE A CONSIDERATION AS WELL.
UM, AND I, I DON'T FEEL THAT I WOULD WANT TO BASE IT JUST BECAUSE THEY LIVE ON THE ETJ NO, BECAUSE THEY, THEY MAY SPEND A MAJORITY OF THEIR TIME IN THE CITY LIMITS, SO, RIGHT.
SO I DEFINITELY DON'T WANNA DISCOUNT THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND WE'LL GET INTO KIND OF THE ITEM FOUR, BUT NO, I MEAN, I, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S, UM, INITIALLY THERE'LL BE SOME BENEFIT FROM, FROM A ETJ APPOINTMENT.
IT IS MY PREFERENCE FOR THAT APPOINTMENT TO BE WITHIN CITY LIMITS OF BAYTOWN.
BUT I'M ALSO LOOKING AT SOME, SOMEWHAT OF A TRANSITION FROM 30 TO 15 MEMBERS OR SO THAT WE HAVE ON, ON, ON THE COMMITTEE AS OF TODAY TO WHAT WE LOOK LIKE WITH SEVEN APPOINTMENTS PLUS TWO FROM ONE FROM, UM, CITY MANAGER AND ONE FROM POLICE CHIEF.
SO, BUT, BUT AT LEAST THAT WOULD BE, I THINK HAVING THAT ABILITY FOR ME TO CHOOSE WITHIN THE ETJ FOR THE FIRST TERM.
AND THEN AFTER THAT IT WOULD REVERT TO, UH, CITY EVERY, EVERY, UH, POSITION AT THAT POINT WOULD BE, UM, WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF BAYTOWN ONLY MAYOR, I, I THINK I SPOKE OUT FAIRLY STRONGLY AGAINST THE ETJ DEAL OUT AT THE, OUT AT, UH, PARK WHERE WE'RE AT.
BUT I, UH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE THOUGH, THAT WHATEVER LOT THEY DRAW, IT'S A ONETIME DEAL TO SERVE.
AND I COULD, I COULD LIVE WITH THAT.
UH, BUT I, I, I AM, I'M NOT BACKING OFF OF MY STANCE.
I TRULY BELIEVE THAT IF, IF THEY GOT ONLY SEVEN OR NINE SLOTS THAT ARE GONNA GIVE THIS FEEDBACK TO US ABOUT THE, THE POLICE AND ET ET CETERA, IT NEEDS TO BE PEOPLE THAT WHEN YOU RING THE DOORBELL, IT'S A CITY BADGE STANDING THERE.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT, BUT I, IT IS A TRANSITIONAL THING.
SO IF Y'ALL COULD WRITE THAT IN THERE WHERE IT WAS JUST THAT ENTRY LEVEL TERM THAT A PERSON COULD BE OUTSIDE AND I WON'T APPOINT SOMEBODY OUTSIDE OUT AND PROBABLY MOST OF US WON'T, BUT I COULD LIVE WITH THAT.
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IF I COULD MAYOR, UM, IS THAT FOR JUST THE MAYOR'S APPOINTMENT OR IS THAT FOR EVERYBODY'S APPOINTMENT FOR THE FIRST TERM? JUST THE MAYOR'S.
THE REST OF US WILL BE IN THE CITY.
THAT'S MY, I MEAN, AND I WILL TELL YOU, I, I DO AGREE WITH, WITH YOUR PHILOSOPHY ON THAT.
AND I, WE ARE IN A TRANSITIONAL THING, SO YEAH.
UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE THE APPOINTEES LIVE IN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN, BUT I WAS OKAY WITH THE MAYOR HAVING AN ETJ APPOINTMENT IF HE CHOSE TO.
THERE ARE OTHER COMMITTEES THAT HAVE E TJ APPOINTMENTS.
IF YOU WANNA GIVE UP YOUR ABILITY TO HAVE AN ETJ APPOINTMENT AFTER THE FIRST TERM, THEN THAT'S YOUR CHOICE.
UM, BUT I WOULD BE OKAY IF YOU HAD THAT ABILITY, UM, INDEFINITELY.
DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH DIRECTION TO WRITE SOMETHING? YES, YES.
OH, GOING BACK TO THE TERM, STARTING ON OCTOBER 1ST, THEY HAD THEIR FIRST MEETING BACK AROUND MAY, JUNE.
I'D LIKE TO, TO THROW OUT THAT WE ALLOW THEM TO STAY UNTIL THAT TIME NEXT YEAR.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE NEXT, UM, IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
THAT BEING SAID, I THINK IT'D BE FAIR FOR WHOEVER'S GOING TO BE ON COUNCIL TO MAKE THAT PICK SINCE WE ARE IN TRANSITION, SO THAT IT'S SOMEONE THAT THEY CAN SAY THAT THEY HAVE TALKED TO THEMSELVES
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AND HAVE COMMON GOALS WITH.UM, AND THAT WOULD ALSO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE SOME OF THE THINGS.
'CAUSE I BELIEVE ALL OF US RECEIVED AN EMAIL WITH THE ACTION ITEMS THAT THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE AND SOME THINGS THAT THEY'RE WAITING TO SEE COME FORTH FROM THE MEETINGS.
BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS, THEY'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH, UM, CITIZENS FROM THIS COMMUNITY, AND THEY'VE BASICALLY GIVEN THEM THEIR WORD THAT THEY WOULD SEE SOME OF THIS THROUGH.
I THINK IT'D BE FAIR TO ALLOW THEM TO SEE SOME OF THOSE THINGS THROUGH.
I MEAN, THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT I'VE RECEIVED PHONE CALLS ON THAT THEY, THAT APPARENTLY ARE RIGHT ON THE VERGE OF HAPPENING.
AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE THINGS COME THROUGH.
AND LIKE I SAID, WHY NOT LET 'EM GO AHEAD AND FINISH OUT THE WHOLE SECOND YEAR? YOU KNOW, THE ONLY COMMENT I'LL MAKE ON THAT PERSONALLY, UM, IS, IS YOU GOTTA, I REALLY, YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND, I THINK THE DISCUSSIONS THAT TAKE PLACE.
I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN, BEEN IN, IN A LOT OF THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS COMMITTEE, FOR THE MOST PART, THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT A COMMITTEE WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT A TAXING COMMITTEE.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT BUDGETARY.
SO THERE'S REALLY VERY FEW VOTES THAT THEY WOULD BE MAKING.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE APPROVAL OF MINUTES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO YOU COULD EVEN HAVE SOME TRANSITION WHERE JUST IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU ARE EXPRESSING WOULD BE THAT MAYBE THEY, THEY SERVE FOR A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME IN THIS TRANSITION FROM COMMITTEE, UH, AD HOC COMMITTEE TO A, A FORMALIZED COMMITTEE.
AND, AND NOTHING WOULD, I WOULD THINK PRECLUDE THEM FROM ATTENDING OR IF THERE'S A CHAIR, HE COULD, HE OR SHE COULD, COULD ALLOW THEM TO COME.
AND, AND, AND CERTAINLY THEY WANNA BE CONCERNED, RIGHT? I MEAN, THEY WANNA BE, THEY WANNA BE, UM, INVOLVED.
UM, IT, IT'S, A LOT OF IT'S JUST DISCUSSION IN A SENSE.
AND SO IT'S NOT SO MUCH WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE VOTING MEMBERS AND NON-VOTING MEMBERS.
THERE'S REALLY NOT A LOT OF VOTING THAT WOULD ACTUALLY TAKE PLACE OF THIS COMMITTEE.
SO I WOULDN'T BE OVERLY, I WOULDN'T BE OVERLY CONCERNED IF ALL, IF THERE WAS, UH, IF, IF THE CURRENT COMMITTEE MEMBERS WERE INVOLVED FOR A TRANSITIONAL PERIOD.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT.
SO WHEN WE SAY INVOLVED IN THE TRANSITIONAL PERIOD, THEY WILL STILL BE WORKING COMMITTEE MEMBERS UNTIL THE TRANSITION IS OVER.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT JUNE, 2021 AS, AS KIND OF THEIR, THEY WOULD BE AT THAT POINT, THEY WOULD NO LONGER SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY.
I, I THINK WHAT I WOULD PUT, THE WAY I WOULD SEE IT WOULD BE OCTOBER ONE, WE WOULD HAVE OUR APPOINTMENTS THAT WE MAKE.
BUT, UM, THE CURRENT CEAC MEMBERS COULD CARRY OVER UNTIL JUNE 1ST, 2021 IN A CAPACITY OF TRANSITION.
DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? BUT I WOULD SOMEWHAT AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S TOO LONG.
YOU NEED TO HAND IT OFF TO THIS COMMITTEE THAT'S ESTABLISHED BY COUNCIL.
RIGHT NOW, THAT GROUP THAT'S OUT THERE IS YOUR COMMITTEE.
THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING IN THAT'S BEING ESTABLISHED BY THIS GOVERNMENT.
AND THE REPRESENTATIVES ARE FROM THIS GOVERNMENT AND THAT'S THE ONES THAT NEED TO CARRY THAT FOOTBALL AND RUN WITH IT.
SO I'D SAY I, I AGREE WITH YOU.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A TRANSITIONAL PERIOD THROUGH, SAY, DECEMBER 31 OF THIS YEAR THAT GIVES THEM TWO MONTHS OF TRANSITIONING AND GETTING THINGS TAKEN CARE OF, AND THEY CAN HAND THE BALL OFF AND THAT COMMITTEE TAKE OVER FROM THERE.
I MEAN, BUT LIKE I SAID, I DIDN'T WANT TO, HE, I'M JUST USING WHAT HE USED.
BUT, BUT WE DO NEED SOME, I THINK SOME TRANSITION.
'CAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF GOOD WORK.
WE, WE DIDN'T GET ENOUGH TRACTION THAT WE WANTED TO GET, UH, IN A SENSE.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK THERE'S A TRANSITION PERIOD THAT WE COULD, HOPEFULLY WE COULD ENTERTAIN.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS NEW.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN ALL YEARS THAT I'VE SERVED THAT WE'VE CREATED A COMMITTEE IN THAT TYPE OF SCENARIO.
BUT ANYWAY, I'M GOOD WITH THE END OF THE YEAR.
I MEAN, THAT SEEMS LIKE A NO-BRAINER UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR.
ALRIGHT, SO, UH, I GUESS CHARLES, DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? I MEAN, YEAH, I'M THE ONE THAT THEY CAN STILL ATTEND AND, UH, I GUESS THERE WAS AN ITEM FOUR.
QUALIFICATIONS, WE, WE, WE CAN'T BE DONE YET, ARE WE? NO, NO.
I WAS, GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT YOU HAD BEFORE.
LET ME JUST DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE, FOR NOW, UNTIL, OR FROM OCTOBER ONE TILL THE END OF THE YEAR, WE'RE GONNA HAVE BOTH THE NINE THAT ARE APPOINTED IN THE NEW COMMITTEE, PLUS THE, EVERYONE THAT WANTS TO CONTINUE TO SERVE ON THE OLD COMMITTEE.
SO WE'LL HAVE 20 SOME ODD PEOPLE ON THE COMMITTEE.
AND THEN IS THAT, IS THAT THEY'RE MORE IN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY FOR TRANSITIONAL PURPOSES, NOT COMMITTEE MEMBERS, RIGHT? THEY WOULD BE DO YOU WANT THEM AS AD HOC MEMBERS? THEY'RE WELCOME IF THEY WANT TO COME.
RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT I'M, IS THAT WHAT I'M RIGHT.
I MEAN, MOST OF THE MEETINGS ARE DISCUSSION.
SO THE AD HOC, WE CAN NAME 'EM AS AD HOC COMMITTEE MEMBERS UNTIL THE TEMPORARY TO 30 DECEMBER, DECEMBER 31ST.
SO ANY OF OUR COMMITTEES REALLY ARE PUBLIC.
SO ANYBODY CAN GO TO ALL THE, YEAH, THEY CAN SIT IN THERE, SIT IN MAIL TO HAVE SOMETHING FORMALIZED TO HAVE THAT THIS COMMITTEE COULD GIVE THEM THREE MINUTES TO TALK IF THEY WANT TO OR SOMETHING.
CAN YOU PUT THE SLIDE BACK UP? I HAD THE FORWARD THING, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE COVERED EACH
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HAD THE, WHICH ONE WAS IT? IT HAD, OH, THE BULLET, I'M SORRY.IT HAD ETJ, IT HAD, UM, THAT ONE STAFF, SO STAFF APPOINTMENTS, ADDITIONAL QUALIFICATIONS.
SO I GUESS THAT'S THE ONLY ONE WE DIDN'T COVER.
AM I CORRECT? SO OUT OF THE CITY MANAGER AND, UH, POLICE CHIEF, THEY WILL HAVE, THEY'LL HAVE THEIR APPOINTMENTS AND I WOULD JUST LET THEM SELF-REGULATE THEIR, THOSE QUALIFICATIONS.
THERE, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT EXOFFICIO STATUS, BUT IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE YOU ALL WANTED THAT YOU WANTED THEM TO BE FULL VOTING MEMBERS.
THEY, THAT WAY WE STRUCTURED IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS A CONSENSUS.
UH, I KNOW MR. HESSEL WAS PRETTY VOCAL THAT, UH, IF THEY'RE ON IT, THEY, THEY HAVE FULL VOTING RIGHTS.
AND, UH, ONE, ONE CONSIDERATION IS, UH, AND I KNOW YOU PROVIDED THAT LATITUDE FOR ETJ, FOR THE, THE MAYOR, LIKELY, OBVIOUSLY THE CHIEF IN MY APPOINTMENT IS PROBABLY GONNA BE SOMEBODY FROM OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UH, WHETHER THE ETJ STATUS WOULD ALSO APPLY, UH, TO THOSE APPOINTMENTS.
I DON'T WANT TO OPEN UP A CAN OF WORMS HERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, FINDING, UH, SOMEBODY THAT I THINK SHOULD, YOU KNOW, WHO'S A COP, UH, THAT WE CAN PUT ON THE COMMITTEE, WHETHER I COULD GO BROADER THAN JUST INCORPORATE BAYTOWN ON, ON OUR APPOINTMENTS SINCE THEY'RE GONNA BE LIKELY POLICE OFFICER.
MY PERSONAL IS KEEP IT BAYTOWN.
WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND SOMEONE YEAH.
THAT WOULD JUST KEEP, KEEP IT INCORPORATED.
I CAN GIVE YOU IF JUST ME, OH, REALLY? THAT'S JUST WHAT I THINK.
VERY GOOD, GOOD CLARIFICATION.
I'M SURE YOU PLAN A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WITH A SIMMONS BAYTOWN.
SO JUST A CLARIFICATION THERE, THERE IS NO QUALIFICATION CURRENTLY ON THEIR APPOINTMENT SO THEY CAN APPOINT A CITIZEN NON, NON-AFFILIATED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR WHOEVER.
I'M NOT SAYING IT SHOULD BE REQUIREMENT REQUIREMENT, BUT I WOULD SAY I'LL, I WOULD, I'LL, I THINK IT'S EASIER JUST TO LET THE SELF-REGULATE WHAT THEY SEE AS A QUALIFIED REPRESENTATIVE OF THEIR ROLES AS POLICE CHIEF AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
COULD I ASK ONE LAST, UH, YES.
ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION, I GUESS.
SO THE, THE NAME, UM, AND THE ONLY REASON I BRING THIS UP IS YOU GUYS SAW THE VIDEO OF WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT CITYWIDE MM-HMM
OBVIOUSLY THIS COMMITTEE IS CALLED THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
SO WHEN I LOOK AT IT, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING ONLY IN THAT THIS IS FOCUSED SPECIFICALLY ON POLICE AND WE'RE DOING A LOT OF OTHER THINGS CITYWIDE UNDER THE NAME COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
SO JUST SOMETHING TO THROW OUT THERE, UM, THAT MAYBE THERE'S A DIFFERENT NAME.
UM, BUT WANTED TO JUST KIND OF GET YOUR'S THOUGHTS ON THAT.
I WOULD SAY, UM, I DIDN'T, I WASN'T PREPARED TO COME UP WITH A NAME.
MAYBE WE, MAYBE WE LET THEM, I MEAN, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PICK A, THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PICK A CHAIR.
THEY'RE BETTER, WHATEVER, VICE CHAIR.
SO WE'LL LET THEM COME UP WITH A NAME.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S SOME CLARITY FOR, FOR PEOPLE WHEN THEY SEE THIS COMMITTEE, THAT IT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE PURPOSE, IT REALLY IS FOCUSED ON, ON POLICE.
SO COULD WE JUST CALL IT, 'CAUSE WE WILL HAVE A RESOLUTION THAT NAMES THE COMMITTEE.
SO COULD WE JUST CALL IT THE POLICE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE RE IN THE MEANTIME AS A PLACEHOLDER? SURE.
AND THEN IF THEY COME WITH A DIFFERENT NAME, THEN WE CAN PUT LANGUAGE IN THERE.
RESOLUTION, APPROVAL OF THEIR ESTABLISHED, UM, COMMITTEE.
THEN THEY COULD COME UP WITH A NAME AND I'LL THESE POLICE OR LAW ENFORCEMENT ONE, THE TWO, THEY CAN CALL THEMSELVES WHATEVER THEY WANT.
SOMETHING MIGHT HAPPEN THAT INVOLVED A CONSTABLE OR A SHERIFF.
LET ME ASK, THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAPPEN IN, IN, IN, UM, ARE, DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THEM AT LEAST AT A VERY MINIMUM ONCE A YEAR, PROVIDE US A ANNUAL STATUS OR REPORT? SO CURRENTLY WE REQUIRING, UM, UH, QUARTERLY REPORTS.
WE ALWAYS NEED QUARTERLY, BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD TO START OUT.
UM, MAYBE OVER TIME AFTER THEY'RE ESTABLISHED AND THE PROGRAM'S RUNNING, WE COULD CHANGE IT TO ANNUALLY, BUT SINCE THEY'RE FLEDGLING, LET'S, YEAH, NO, I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO HEAR FROM THEM QUARTERLY.
IN THE MEANTIME, I JUST DON'T WANT MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT.
AND THE QUARTERLY REPORTS COULD BE WRITTEN, YOU KNOW OKAY.
THAT, ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, I THINK, I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA LOOK AT QUALIFICATIONS ON THAT SLIDE? DID OR DOES THAT MEAN WE'RE JUST GONNA PUT ALL THOSE THINGS IN THERE AS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THEY HAVE TO RISE WITH AN OFFICER? OR ARE WE DOING THAT OR NOT DOING THAT? OR, SO THAT'S KIND OF IN THE BOTTOM OF NUMBER FIVE.
IT SAYS EACH MEMBER AFTER APPOINTMENT SHALL ANNUALLY PARTICIPATE.
WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IF YOU WANTED TO DO IT BY TERM OR ANNUALLY, BUT CURRENTLY IT SAYS ANNUALLY PARTICIPATE IN ONE POLICE EDUCATION PROGRAM OR ACTIVITY.
SO THOSE THINGS ARE STAYING THEN.
SO THAT COULD BE A RIDE ALONG, THAT COULD BE, UH, ANY HOST OF THINGS THAT YEAH, I WOULD SAY PER TERM, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANNUALLY, BUT AT LEAST PER TERM.
AND, AND THEN I HAD A, A ONE THAT I CALLED RICK ABOUT AND RAN IT BY HIM.
AND IT'S WORTH DISCUSSION ANY RATE.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF I GO UP TO SCHOOL
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AND I WANT TO GO RIDE ON A FIELD TRIP WITH THE KIDS DOWN TO SEE THE BUTTERFLY DEAL, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, DOWN THE BATTLESHIP, THE BATTLE OR THE BATTLESHIP, WE GO TO THE BATTLESHIP.UH, I HAVE TO PASS A BACKGROUND CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M, UH, NOT SOME BAD GUY FROM THE PAST THAT NO ONE REALLY KNOWS ABOUT.
I MEAN, THESE, IF THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA HELP REGULATE AND WELL, THEY'RE NOT REGULATING, WELL, THEY'RE NOT BAD WORD.
IF THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US ADVICE ON HOW TO OPERATE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT CALL IT, THEY, THEY OUGHT TO, UH, WE OUGHT TO KNOW WHO WE HAVE.
SO SHOULD THEY HAVE TO HAVE A BACKGROUND CHECK? THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DOES IT.
SO THEY'LL HAVE AN APPLICATION.
UM, THAT, AND YOU ALL WILL BE THE ULTIMATE CONTROL OF WHETHER YOU'RE NOT APPOINTED.
THE INDIVIDUALS WILL NOMINATE INDIVIDUAL, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL NOMINATE, AND THEN THE WHOLE COMMITTEE WILL, UH, WHOLE COUNCIL WILL AFFIRM THAT RECOMMENDATION.
WELL, LEMME ASK FIRST, LEMME ASK.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO DO, DO BACKGROUND CHECKS.
I THINK PEOPLE'LL HAVE THEIR APPLICATION, OTHER COMMITTEES, BUT LEMME, IN THAT APPLICATION PROCESS, IS THERE A, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S A QUESTION ANYWHERE IN THERE.
LIKE, ARE YOU CONVICTED OF A MISDEMEANOR OR STUFF LIKE THAT? I DON'T KNOW.
PROBABLY NOT ANY QUALIFICATIONS THAT WE HAVE.
AND WE DON'T DO THAT FOR ANY OTHER COMMAND.
ASK ONE QUESTION, CHIEF, IF, IF WE TAKE THE GENERAL PUBLIC IN FOR A TOUR OF THE POLICE STATION, THEY'RE GOING IN SECURED AREAS, DO THEY NEED TO DO ANY OF THAT THERE? SO THAT MIGHT FALL INTO WHAT, WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE.
YOU MIGHT NEED A BACKGROUND CHECK IF THEY NEED TO BE ESCORTED AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN COVER IT WITH THAT.
UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT A, UH, CGIS CLEARANCE, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THEY CAN'T VIEW, BUT THEY CAN, AS LONG AS THEY'RE WITH, UH, AN ESCORT, THEY SHOULD BE FINE.
UM, YOU KNOW, MY MAIN CONCERN IS THAT THE PERSON DOESN'T HAVE ANY ACTIVE WARRANTS.
BUT I THINK IT'D BE FAIR TO HAVE A, A VARIETY OF BACKGROUNDS, UH, AND NOT LIMIT.
I THINK EVERYONE, UH, DRAWS UPON THEIR OWN EXPERIENCES AND CAN HAVE AN OPINION.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD THINK IF SOMEONE HAS ACTIVE WARRANTS, THEY WOULD AND THEY GO ON A TOUR OF THE POLICE STATION, WELL, THEY MIGHT BE STAYING WITH US AND ENJOYING A POT PIE.
YOU DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO
BUT YOU KNOW, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT NEED TO, THEY NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR PERSONAL BUSINESS JUST LIKE THEY DO ON ANY COMMITTEE.
UH, THAT THEY SERVE WITHIN THE CITY BECAUSE THEY'RE REPRESENTING, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY THE COMMITTEE, BUT THEY'RE REALLY REPRESENTING YOU 'CAUSE YOU'RE APPOINTING THEM.
AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'D BE A GOOD THING.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PEOPLE ON ALL WALKS OF LIFE APPLY FOR POSITIONS WITHIN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SOME OF THEM FORGOT ABOUT A TRAFFIC TICKET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND WE WILL, UH, PROBABLY DISMISS THEM FROM THE APPLICATION PROCESS UNTIL THEY TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S JUST A MISDEMEANOR TRAFFIC THING, THEN THEY CAN REAPPLY AFTER THEY TAKE CARE OF THEIR BUSINESS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE CARRYING WEAPONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS.
I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS OPPORTUNITY.
I GUESS ONE LAST QUESTION, UH, FOR THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE WOULD BE WHEN, SINCE WE'RE GOING THROUGH AN APP, SINCE WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH AN APPLICATION PROCESS, UM, WHEN DOES COUNCIL MEMBERS, EITHER THEY'RE GONNA ASK AN INDIVIDUAL TO, TO APPLY AND WE MAY HAVE AN OPEN, YOU KNOW, UH, ALSO OPEN APPLICATIONS.
WHEN IS IT, WHEN DO YOU THINK IS THE DEADLINE FOR? SO MY HOPE IS THAT AS SOON AS WE HAVE A RESOLUTION THAT DETERMINES THE QUALIFICATIONS AND YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IN APPLICANTS, WE WANNA WORK WITH OUR PUBLIC AFFAIRS AND OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH, UM, PERSON TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT THERE.
WHAT WE HEARD AT ONE OF THE MEETINGS WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE CAAC WAS THAT NOT EVERYBODY CHECKS THE WEBSITE AND NOT EVERYBODY.
SO WE HAVE TO THINK OF NON-TRADITIONAL WAYS OF GETTING THE INFORMATION OUT THERE THAT'S NOT JUST TECHNOLOGY.
AND, UM, SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING OUTREACH, PARTICULARLY FOR THE CEAC, SO THAT WE CAN LET PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
WE'RE THINKING THAT IF YOU WANNA APPOINT BY OCTOBER 1ST, WE'LL DO, UM, UH, A BIG PUSH TO TRY AND GET AS MANY APPLICATIONS AS WE CAN.
UH, BEFORE THE SECOND MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, WE'LL BRING THOSE BEFORE YOU AS A PACKET SO THAT YOU CAN, IF YOU HAVE YOUR OWN, THEY CAN APPLY WITH US AND WE'LL GET THAT TOGETHER.
UH, OR WE CAN GET, PUT THE INFORMATION BEFORE YOU SO YOU CAN HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO SELECT FROM.
SO WE ARE TRYING TO, AS SOON AS YOU TELL US WHAT, WHAT IT IS THAT, UH, WE'RE LOOKING FOR, WE WILL WORK TO GET THAT, UM, OUT TO OUR RESIDENTS AND THE ETJ SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE, UH, A GOOD VARIETY OF APPLICANTS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, I GOT ONE MORE ON, ON THE QUALIFICATIONS.
I THINK WE BRIEFLY TOUCHED ABOUT THIS, BUT I THINK
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IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO MANDATE THAT ARE FOR THE QUALIFICATIONS.ONE IS, UH, AS WE SAID, THE RIDE ALONG, BUT ALSO THE FIELD ARMS TEST SCENARIOS THAT YOU, YOU RUN THROUGH, UH, YOU GOT 10 SCENARIOS WHERE YOU'RE ACTUALLY THE POLICE OFFICER GOING INTO THOSE SCENARIOS.
THAT IS EYE OPENING, BUT IT MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, THEY NEED THAT THAN ANYTHING.
SO THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE WHAT, HOW THIN THAT BLUE LINE IS IN REALITY.
AND THOSE PEOPLE THAT'S GONNA BE LOOKING AND ADVISING, THEY NEED TO SEE THAT AND THEY NEED TO EXPERIENCE THAT.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO MANDATE THOSE, AT LEAST THOSE TWO ITEMS HERE.
WELL, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT IS GENERIC.
I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT IT, IT JUST SAYS POLICE EDUCATION PROGRAM OR ACTIVITY.
THEY MAY HAVE NO, I I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE MANDATED.
THEY NEED TO WELL IT IS, IT'S IN THERE.
I'M JUST SAYING IT DOESN'T SAY SPECIFICALLY WHICH ONE.
IT JUST SAYS THEY HAVE TO PARTICIPATE IN AN ACTIVITY.
I I THINK HE'S SAYING THAT ACTIVITY STIPULA, YOU NEED TO STIPULATE IN THERE THAT YOU NEED TO DO SOME EDUCATION THERE AND AT THE LEASE YOU WILL DO A RIDEALONG AND THE FIELD'S ARMS TESTING AS WELL.
I, I HONESTLY FEEL, I MEAN I, I FEEL THAT IT MIGHT BE GOOD, BUT AT THE SAME TIME THERE MAY BE INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY HAVE SOME EITHER HEALTH ISSUES OR, UM, MAYBE A FEAR OF GOING ON A RIDE ALONG FOR WHATEVER REASON.
AND SO I, I DON'T FEEL THAT WE NEED TO MANDATE IT.
I THINK WE CAN KEEP IT GENERAL AND JUST ENSURE THAT THEY ARE GOING THROUGH SOMETHING, BUT I EVERY PERSON MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH.
WELL I DO KNOW TOO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PARTICIPATE WHEN YOU DO THE FAST TRAINING, BUT YOU CAN, YOU CAN PARTICIPATE THROUGH VIEW VIEWING.
I GUESS, YOU KNOW, MAY HAVE TO BE THE, EVEN, EVEN SITTING DOWN ON SOMEBODY ELSE GOING THROUGH THE FIELD.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH.
I THINK AS LONG AS THEY PARTICIPATE AT WHATEVER LEVEL FOR, FOR THAT, I MEAN I THINK LET'S LEAVE IT AT THAT.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE ONE YEAR THEY DO A RIDE ALONG ONE YEAR THEY DO THE FAST TRAINING.
ONE YEAR THEY SCALE A BUILDING.
ANY ADDITIONAL DIRECTION NEEDED FROM STAFF? ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? WELL, I THINK YOU NEED TO PUT A TIMEFRAME ON THAT.
IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 'EM DO IT.
THEY NEED TO DO IT AT THE BEGINNING OF THEIR TERM'S TERM.
WHAT'S TERM IT IS, IT IS GONNA SAY ONCE A TERM THEY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.
SO YOU DON'T WANNA GET SO MUCH 'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA DO IT AT THE END.
I MEAN, WHAT'S THE 0.0, A TIMEFRAME THAT THEY NEED TO YEAH, YEAH.
THEY NEED TO COMPLETE AT THE BEGINNING.
WELL, I THINK THOUGH, FIRST THEY'LL HAVE TO GO TO FIRST DAYS OR TRAINING THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT TRAINING, GET IT KNOW.
I'M SAYING THERE WILL BE SOME TYPES OF ORIENTATION AS THIS IS A NEW COMMITTEE.
THERE WILL BE SOME TRAINING THAT WE'LL HAVE AT THE FRONT END AND THERE WILL BE SOME EDUCATIONAL AND ORIENTATING THAT WE WILL HAVE TO DO IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE WILL HAVE TO BE A BIG PART OF THAT.
SO, UM, JUST BECAUSE IT'S MANDATED AS A QUALIFICATION DOES NOT MEAN THAT THAT WILL BE THE ONLY EXPERIENCE THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE WITH STAFF OR EDUCATION OR WHAT THE POLICE DOES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
THAT WILL BE A PART OF WHAT WE DO AS WE INTERACT WITH THEM.
WELL, AND I DON'T THINK OF THE INITIAL TERM.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE FAT STRAIN IS NOT OFFERED EVERY DAY OF EVERY WEEK.
SO THEY'LL, BUT THEY CAN WORK WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CHIEF TO, TO FIGURE WHEN THAT WILL OCCUR OR DO A RIDE ALONG.
WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPERIENCE MORE ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ALL THE TIME AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE A QUESTION OR WANT TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT A PARTICULAR AREA, WE'LL MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, GOING TO THE RANGE OR, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TRAINING GOING ON ALL THE TIME, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL INVOLVE 'EM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER QUESTION THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA COOPERATE WITH 'EM.
YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, TRAINING'S IMPORTANT TO KIND OF SEE THINGS FROM OUR SIDE OF THE HOUSE, BUT IT'S NOT AN END ALL THING.
YOU KNOW, I THINK IT, IT WOULD HELP THEM MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS.
UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE OPINIONS EITHER WAY AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE QUESTIONS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN IT IS ON TV.
AND, UH, WE'LL GIVE THEM WHATEVER ANSWERS THAT WE CAN AND WHATEVER EXPERIENCES THEY'D LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN.
BUT WE'LL HAVE SOME GOOD THINGS THAT THEY CAN PARTICIPATE IN.
THERE'S CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS A LONGER CLASSROOM THING.
I'M SURE THERE'S SOME OF THOSE, UH, PEOPLE IN THE, THAT YOU'LL SELECT THAT MAY WANT TO ATTEND SOME OF THAT.
AND SO THERE'S, THERE'LL BE A LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES, SO WE'LL MAKE SURE IT HAPPENS.
[c. Discuss the City of Baytown Fiscal Year 2020-21 Proposed Budget.]
I THINK THERE'S JUST, WELL, THERE'S TWO MORE, BUT ONE, UH, DISCUSS OR ITEM ONE C DISCUSS THE CITY OF BAYTOWN FISCAL YEAR 2021, PROPOSED BUDGET.I'M NOT SURE IF WE, I MEAN WE PROBABLY HAVE THIS AS A, AS A, A GENERAL ITEM.
OR WE CAN JUST ONE THAT WE PUT ON EVERY, UH, WORK STUDY.
JUST TO, IN THE EVENT THAT YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM, FROM JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY? WHEN'S THE LAST DAY WE CAN PASS IT? WHAT'S THE DEADLINE? DEADLINE FOR PASSAGE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? HOW ABOUT ANY OTHER ITEMS
[d. Discuss any or all of the agenda items on the City Council Regular Meeting Agenda for August 13, 2020, which is attached below.]
FOR ITEM 1D ANY OTHER POSTED AGENDA ITEMS FOR OUR CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING AGENDA? ANY QUESTIONS? YES, MA'AM.I DO, UH, BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO BE TAKING ACTION ON
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SIX A, UM, UH, THE POLICY REGARDING THE NUMBER OF CITY BOARDS, COMMITTEES, COMMISSIONS, ET CETERA, UM, I DID HAVE A QUESTION ON ITEM EIGHT A AND THAT IS CONSIDERING THE SEVEN APPOINTMENTS TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE.AND SO I KNOW WE DISCUSSED AT THE RETREAT THAT WE WOULD LIMIT THE NUMBER OF BOARD AND COMMITTEES THAT AN INDIVIDUAL SERVES, UM, THAT WE APPOINT MM-HMM
AND, UM, AS THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, UM, DOESN'T MEET EVERY YEAR AND IT'S NOT A QUOTE UNQUOTE NORMAL, UH, COMMITTEE, JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHERS, UM, WOULD THAT BE INCLUDED WITH OUR, OKAY, LET'S SAY WE, WE HAVE OUR TWO, BUT WE HAVE A MEMBER THAT SITS ON THE CHARTER REVIEW THAT WHENEVER IT'S CALLED, THEY GO TO IT.
SO WOULD THEY BE INCLUDED ON THERE CURRENTLY AS IT'S WRITTEN, THEY WOULD BE A COMMITTEE MEMBER, SO THEY WOULD BE LIMITED TO ONLY TWO.
UH, COUNCIL AS IT'S ALSO WRITTEN, COUNSEL CAN OVERRIDE THE POLICY BY A VOTING MAJORITY OF ITS MEMBERS.
SO WE HAVE A SIMILAR SITUATION WITH THE, UH, STRATEGIC PLANNING ADVISORY COMMITTEE TOO.
SO, UM, YOU, MY, MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I THINK THAT THE INTENT OF WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS DURING THE RETREAT WAS, UH, LET'S SPREAD THE WEALTH ON REPRESENT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A PRETTY LARGE COUNCIL DISTRICT.
YOU REPRESENT ABOUT 15 TO 17,000 PEOPLE IN YOUR COUNCIL DISTRICTS.
SO IF YOU ONLY CAN COUNT, IF YOU ONLY CAN PICK ONE PERSON TO SERVE IN ALL YOUR COMMITTEES, THEN YOU NEED TO BROADEN YOUR HORIZONS AND BROADEN YOUR, YOUR WINGS A LITTLE BIT.
AND MAYOR, ONE, ONE THING THAT I TALKED TO COUNCIL MEMBER HOSKINS ABOUT AND ALSO TO UH, KAREN, IS THAT WHEN WE, WHEN WE, UH, TALK ABOUT THE TOURS IN THE BRA AND THE, UM, PFC AND THE MDD BEING, UH, ONE FOR THE, THAT IS FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS POLICY, WE ARE NOT IN ACTUALITY COMBINING THEM INTO, WE JUST WANNA MAKE THAT, THAT CLARIFICATION.
I, I TOLD COUNCIL MEMBER TO THAT.
SO, SO WE AGREED WITH THE MOST SOMEBODY CAN SERVE ON IS TWO.
THAT'S PRETTY THE MOST SUCCINCT, SO THAT'S RIGHT.
BUT WE'RE TREATING THOSE THAT I JUST MENTIONED AS WELL.
YOU, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT HE WAS JUST SAYING? YEAH.
BECAUSE OF MDD AND THE CORPORATION WE FORMED, WE CAN'T SAY THOSE TWO ARE ONE COMMITTEE, BUT FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS POLICY.
AND UM, SO WHEN WE APPROVE THIS POLICY, WHAT, WHEN DOES IT TAKE EFFECT? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK.
THIS ONE TAKES EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.
IT DOES NOT REQUIRE ANYBODY THAT'S CURRENTLY APPOINTING TO GIVE UP THEIR POSITION AS ATTRITION.
IT'S JUST ATTRITION AS THEY'RE APPOINTED IN THE FUTURE.
ANY OTHER QUESTION OR COMMENTS ON ANY POSTED AGENDA ITEMS ON THE REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING FOR TONIGHT? SO BEING THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL COUNCIL UH, WORK SESSION ITEMS, UH, FOR THIS, THIS MEETING OF THE WORK SESSION IS NOW ADJOURNED.
WE'LL RECONVENE AT SIX 30 FOR OUR REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING.