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ALRIGHT, WE'LL CALL THIS[ CITY OF BAYTOWN NOTICE OF MEETING CITY COUNCIL RETREAT FRIDAY, JULY 17, 2020 1:00 P.M. THE CLUBHOUSE AT EVERGREEN PARK 1530 EVERGREEN ROAD, BAYTOWN, TEXAS 77523 Due to the COVID 19 Disaster and the CDC's recommendation regarding social distancing measures, the public may not be allowed to be physically present at this meeting, as there is a limited amount of space when maintaining the required 6-feet separation from others. For those members of the public that cannot or do not wish to be physically present at the meeting, they will be able to participate through two-way communications. For video conferencing, use the following website www.zoom.com, click on "join a meeting" on the top right hand corner, and input the following Meeting ID: 824 3389 5528. For telephone conferencing please use the following toll-free number: 1-888-788-0099, Meeting ID: 824 3389 5528. The agenda is accessible to the public at the following link: https://www.baytown.org/city-hall/city-clerk/agendas-minutes. After the meeting, a recording of this meeting will be made available to the public at https://www.baytown.org/city-hall/city-clerk/agendas-minutes. For more information or questions concerning the teleconference, please contact the Office of the City Clerk at 281-420-6504. AGENDA CALL TO ORDER AND ANNOUNCEMENT OF QUORUM ]
MEETING, UH, COUNCIL REPRIEVE THE ORDER.YOU'RE NOT GETTING WHAT YOU, ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA CALL THE MEETING ORDER GUYS.
SO, UH, WE WANT TO DO TO, UH, TOUCH BASE IT, IT IS MIDYEAR AND, UH, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE VIRUS, WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF TIME TO, TO HAVE SOME, SOME, SOME OTHER MEETINGS IN BETWEEN.
WE MAYT HAVE A COUNCIL FOR YOU.
UM, BUT, UH, WE WANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO AND KIND OF TAG UP, CIRCLE AROUND ON A FEW ITEMS ITSELF.
UH, KIND OF GET COUNCIL INPUT ON THAT.
UM, SO WITH THAT, IF YOU HAVE, YOU SEE THE AGENDA, RICK CAN PROBABLY TOUCH, UH, TOUCH ON, ON, ON THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS ITSELF.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD TIME TO DO THIS AND HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
SO, WITH THAT, RICK, THANK YOU MAYOR.
UH, AGAIN, WELCOME TO ALL OF YOU.
UM, WE, UH, I'M GONNA ALLOW LETTER TO JUST KIND OF GO OVER THE MATERIALS THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR POSSESSION AND THEN WE'LL GET STARTED.
SO WHAT WE DO IS WE COMPILED A LOT OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU GUYS HAVE REQUESTED FROM US, AND, UM, WE PUT IT TOGETHER IN SORT OF YOUR TYPICAL, UH, AGENDA PACKET.
SO, UM, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PACKET, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE YOUR REGULAR AGENDA UNDER ITEM ONE A.
WHAT, UH, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE TAKEN THE RESOLUTION CREATING THE CEAC THAT YOU GUYS APPROVED BACK IN JUNE.
AND WE'VE PUT IT IN A VERY SIMPLE FORMAT THAT WE HAVE FOR ALL OF OUR BOARD AND COMMISSION.
THIS IS HOW THE, UM, THE, THE CEAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE RESOLUTION.
WE'VE, UH, AGAIN, PUT IT IN THE FORMAT THAT WE HAVE IN OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS BOOKS, SO YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AND, AND SEE THE INFORMATION ON THE ONE PAGE.
THE NEXT PAGE IS THE INFORMATION THAT YOU GUYS REQUESTED AT THE WORK SESSION OF ALL THE EXISTING, UM, CEAC BOARD MEMBERS FROM THE MAYOR'S COMMITTEE THAT HAVE, UM, AGREED TO BE CONSIDERED FOR APPOINTMENT.
YOU GUYS REQUESTED THAT, UH, WE CHECK THE RESIDENCY AND YOU GUYS ALSO REQUESTED THAT WE CHECK THEIR ETHNICITY.
AND WE'VE DONE WITH THE HELP OF, UM, STAFF AND, AND COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON, WHO ASSISTED US GREATLY, UM, HAVE COMPILED THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU.
IT IS INCLUDED SEPARATELY ON THE TABLE.
YOU SEE WHAT IS, UM, AN AGENDA ITEM.
UH, IT'S A DRAFT OF AN AGENDA ITEM, UM, TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THAT THE CITY MANAGER WILL HIT.
TALKING ABOUT TERMS, TALKING ABOUT QUALIFICATIONS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT IF YOU GUYS DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY CHANGES TO THE CEAC WOULD, UH, AMEND THAT RESOLUTION.
THE NEXT ITEM IS BOARD MEMBERS TERMS AND APPOINTMENTS.
WHAT WE DID, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER BENTON COURT REQUESTED A LIST OF ALL THE EXISTING MEMBERS, UM, THEIR TERMS, ONE WHERE THEY WERE FIRST APPOINTED.
IN ADDITION TO IDENTIFYING THOSE THAT SERVE ON MULTIPLE BOARDS, WE HAVE DONE THAT.
IT IS ATTACHED AND YOU WILL SEE IN RED, THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT SERVE ON MULTIPLE BOARDS.
THE ITEM THAT FOLLOWS COUNCIL MEMBER ALDO REQUESTED THAT WE LOOK AT ALL THEIR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND CONSIDER, UM, DESCRIPTIVE LANGUAGE THAT WAS SIMPLE AND, UH, VERY TO THE POINT SO THAT, UM, PEOPLE THAT AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE BOARD CAN READ IT AND UNDERSTAND IT VERY QUICKLY.
WE HAVE A SAMPLE OF IT HERE FOR YOU.
UM, AND THEN WHERE IT SAYS DETAILED DESCRIPTION, WE HAVE, UH, THE BOARD'S AND COMMISSION INFORMATION IN MORE DETAIL THAT IS ON THE WEBSITE.
WE JUST WANT YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
AFTER THAT HEARING, WE'LL TAKE THE LEAD.
AND GIVEN THIS INFORMATION RELATED TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, THERE IS A MEMO, A CONFIDENTIAL MEMO THAT KAREN HAS PUT TOGETHER THAT GIVES YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, WHAT IT'S DONE, AND WHAT IT WILL BE DOING, UM, AND KIND OF GIVING YOU INFORMATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANOTHER CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE.
AND THEN THAT IS ALL I HAVE AS IT RELATES TO ADDITIONAL PAPERWORK THAT YOU HAVE AT YOUR PLACE.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK, UH, THE STAFF THAT HAVE, HAVE WORKED SO HARD TO PUT ALL OF THIS, UH, THIS MATERIAL TOGETHER FOR YOU.
DIVING RIGHT INTO, UH, THIS SUBJECT.
I THINK I PROBABLY, UH, EXPEND, UH, NEEDLESSLY A LOT OF YOUR TIME EXPLAINING KIND OF THE HISTORY OF HOW WE GOT HERE, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
UH, I THINK IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT, UH, OUR INTENTIONS, UH, NOW WITH THE CEAC AS AN OFFICIAL PART OF, UH, OF OUR ARRAY OF COMMITTEES, UH, THAT, UM, IT'S BEEN EXPRESSED BY ALL OF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS, I THINK, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THAT, UH, THEY WANTED NOW AT THIS JUNCTURE TO HAVE SOME INPUT INTO
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WHAT THAT GROUP WOULD LOOK LIKE GOING FORWARD, WHAT THEY WOULD BE DOING, THEIR TERMS AND, AND VARIOUS OTHER ASPECTS OF THAT COMMITTEE.I THINK THAT'S VERY APPROPRIATE.
UH, OBVIOUSLY, 'CAUSE THIS IS YOUR COMMITTEE.
SO, UH, THERE ARE FOUR, YOU SEE FOUR STICKY NOTES UP HERE, AND I'LL EXPLAIN EACH ONE OF THEM.
AND WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND TO YOU IS WE TAKE EACH ONE OF THEM ONE BY ONE, AND WE TALK ABOUT, I THINK FIRST AND FOREMOST, LET'S BEGIN WITH THE END OF MIND AND ADDRESS PURPOSE.
NOW, WHEN I'M, I, YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE ADDRESSED SOME DRAFT LANGUAGE IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, BUT I WANT YOU TO, UH, TO ARTICULATE, UH, ON THE STICKIES THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT THERE, UH, IDEAS ABOUT WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMITTEE OUGHT TO BE.
WHAT IS THEIR CHARTER, WHAT IS THEIR, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA, WHAT ARE THE DELIVERABLES THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR OUT OF THAT COMMITTEE? SO WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS PURPOSE FIRST AND GIVE YOU SOME TIME TO NOT ONLY JOT DOWN YOUR THOUGHTS, BUT BEFORE WE STICK THEM UP HERE, AND I'LL TAKE THEM FROM YOU AND I'LL, I'LL STICK THEM UP HERE FOR YOU.
UH, WHAT I'D LIKE YOU TO DO AT, AT WAS EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO THINK ABOUT THESE, IS TO SPEAK TO THE REST OF THE GROUP AND SAY, HEY, I, I REALLY THINK THAT YOUR PURPOSE OUGHT TO BE X, Y, OR Z.
AND SO THEY CAN HEAR YOU NOT JUST SEE THE WORDS, BUT HEAR YOU OKAY.
CAN I, UH, LET ME, LET ME JUST, UH, ON THAT, WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
UM, SO A COUPLE OF THINGS TO CONSIDER ON THIS.
UM, THIS MORNING I MET WITH COUNCIL JOHNSON AND
UH, AND, AND ABOUT A, ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF AGO, WE MET WITH, UH, PATRICK MONTGOMERY AND, UH, AARON THOMAS.
UH, THEY, THEY DID PRESENT EM.
THESE ARE, THIS WHAT THEY PRESENTED, I THINK THE COMMITTEE CAME UP WITH YEAH.
THE KIND OF A, A STRUCTURE AND OPERATION.
MAINTAIN COPIES, UH, THAT WAY Y HAVE A THANK YOU.
BUT I, I THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD WHAT THEY PRESENTED.
SO ANYWAY, UM, I THOUGHT WHAT THEY, UM, AT LEAST LAID OUT FROM THE COMMAND.
I'M ASSUMING IT WAS KIND OF A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT.
SOME AGREED FROM WHAT WE WERE TOLD, BUT THIS IS WHAT THEY EXPRESSED, JUST SO THAT THAT WAY Y'ALL HAVE IT.
AND, AND THEN THE OTHER THING, UM, SO WHEN THE COMMITTEE WAS INITIALLY, UH, I GUESS COMPOSED, UH, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, GINA HELPED ME, UH, IDENTIFY PEOPLE THAT, THAT WE THINK WOULD BE A GOOD FIT FOR THIS.
AND, AND SO IT, IT, UH, IT, IT JUST KIND OF EVOLVED.
IT WAS, IT WAS JUST AN AD HOC, UH, UH, SITUATION IN A SENSE.
UM, SO I DIDN'T, I WILL SAY I DIDN'T DO IT, UM, IN RESPECT TO WHERE FIRST ANYBODY LIVED OR DISTRICTS, OR EVEN CITY LIMITS IN A SENSE.
THESE WERE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, EITHER THE CHURCH OR JUST OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE WELL RESPECTED.
SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW IT ALL CAME TOGETHER, YOU KNOW.
BUT NOW, ONCE WE TAKE, ONCE WE TOOK THE NEXT STEP TO, TO FORMALIZE THIS, UM, THAT'S WHEN NOW WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT WHAT DOES IT REALLY NEED TO LOOK LIKE AND WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE FRAMEWORK ITSELF.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY.
YOUR, THAT, THAT BRINGS A LOT OF CLARIFICATION, ESPECIALLY TO THE PURPOSE.
SO AGAIN, UH, WITH YOUR STICKIES, UH, THAT YOU HAVE ON THE TABLE, YOU, YOU COULD WRITE AS MANY THOUGHTS AS YOU WOULD LIKE UP THERE.
THERE'S NO, NO LIMIT UNTIL WE RUN OUT OF STICKIES.
THEN WE HAVE TO GO TO THE STORE AND GET SOME MORE, OR WE CAN FIND SOME OTHER METHOD.
MAYBE WE'LL JUST WRITE ON HIM.
BUT, UH, BE SURE TO EXPRESS, UH, WHAT ARE, WHAT YOU BELIEVE THE SCOPE OF THIS COMMITTEE, THE DELIVERABLES YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FROM THE COMMITTEE.
WHAT, UH, WHAT SHOULD THEY BE ENGAGED IN? WHAT IS THEIR PURPOSE? AND I'LL LEAVE IT KIND OF OPEN TO YOU.
APPOINTMENT ACTUALLY HAS TO DO WITH THE METHOD OF APPOINTMENT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE METHODOLOGY YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE HERE ARE VARIOUS WAYS TO ATTACK THAT.
AND LUCKILY WE HAVE SOME GUIDANCE FROM, UH, OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND ALSO OUR CITY CLERK ON THAT, UH, COMPOSITION IS, WE'RE TALKING NUMERICALLY AND ALSO EX OFFICIO VERSUS VOTING MEMBERS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
AND THEN QUALIFICATIONS WOULD HAVE TO DO, WHAT ARE YOU, UH, EXPECTING IN TERMS OF, UH, QUALIFYING TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE AND THEN ALSO SUSTAINING THEIR MEMBERSHIP ON THE COMMITTEE.
ARE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE FROM THEM WHILE THEY'RE ON THE COMMITTEE? SO THAT'S QUALIFICATIONS, QUALIFYING AND MAINTAINING THAT QUALIFICATION.
SO WITH THAT ATTACK PURPOSE, IF YOU WILL, PLEASE, AND I'LL GIVE YOU SOME TIME AGAIN, ARE WE DOING ONE AT A TIME? YEAH.
SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THE PURPOSE THAT'S ON THIS DRAFT, UHHUH WAS SOMETHING THAT THE CEAC HAD
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ALREADY CREATED, OR IS THIS SOMETHING WE CREATED? THE CITY ATTORNEY IS THE, UM, WHAT YOU ALL APPROVED THAT MS. COUNSEL MAY DIRECTORIES OR MAYBE THINGS YOU WANNA CHANGE OR TALK ABOUT CHANGING, BUT, UM, THAT'S WHAT WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED VIA THE RESOLUTION, UM, ON JUNE 11TH.BUT IF I, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, UM, I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE COMMITTEE HAD ALREADY COME UP WITH THEIR OWN CHARTER.
UH, THAT THAT'S THE PAPER THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT HERE? THAT'S THIS.
NO, NO, THAT'S NOT, THERE WAS, THERE WAS SOME OTHER PAPERWORK THAT WAS, I THINK IT WAS CONSIDERED LIKE A CHARTER.
UM, OH, I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD'VE BEEN GOOD.
IT WAS BYLAW A COPY OF THEIR BYLAWS.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ONE TODAY, BUT OKAY.
COULD BE IRRELEVANT BECAUSE THIS COULD, THIS, THIS IS GONNA SUPERSEDE THAT WOULD BYLAWS UNDER AN AD HOC TYPE SITUATION.
NOW WE ARE, THAT'S WHAT WE KIND OF DETERMINE WHAT THE BYLAWS WOULD BE, UM, IN A SENSE.
BUT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT PURPOSE.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO PROVIDE THIS.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS PRETTY GOOD.
FROM WHAT CAME FROM FROM PAST MONTGOMERY.
AND I KNOW THIS IS A UNIQUE, I MEAN, THIS IS A NEW, UM, COMMITTEE AND I GUESS I I'M USED TO, WHEN I'M CREATING THE PURPOSE AND ALL OF THAT, THAT IT BE DONE JOINTLY WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SERVING ON THAT COMMITTEE.
SO THERE'S ACTUAL THAT BUY-IN AS WELL.
BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME EXISTING MEMBERS FROM THE, THE PREVIOUS COMMITTEE, I, I FELT WE SHOULD HAVE ALSO GOTTEN SOME OF THEIR IDEAS AND WELL, THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I PROVIDED YOU WITH THIS.
THIS IS JUST THE STRUCTURE FROM THEM.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
WE'RE TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT OUR OPINION IS A PURPOSE APPOINTMENT, AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHERE, WHERE THAT GOES.
I KNOW I'VE NEVER STARTED A COMMITTEE IN BAYTOWN.
YEAH, I, I MEAN, I CAN DO, I MEAN, I'M JUST GOING OFF OF WHAT WE JUST CURRENTLY DID WITH THE COLLABORATIVE WITH BABIES IN BAYTOWN AND NOT DONE THIS WITH MY DIVERSITY COUNCIL OR WITH THE, AND CREATE OUR PURPOSE TOGETHER.
AND, YOU KNOW, NOTHING, NOTHING PRECLUDES THE MODIFICATION OF THIS AS TIME GOES ON.
I'M TRYING TO LOOK FOR A STARTING POINT.
I'M TRYING TO GET THE EDGE OF THE PAPER WITH YOU RIGHT NOW.
AND WE ARE THE ONES THAT PUT THE COMMITTEE TOGETHER AND INITIATED THAT.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S ONLY LOGICAL THAT SOME SORT OF INITIAL DIRECTION COMES FROM THE BODY WILL PUT THE COMMITTEE TOGETHER, WHICH IS US, AND NOT AGREE.
IT CAN CHANGE OR BE TWEAKED AS TIME GOES BY.
IT, IT WILL CHANGE AS TIME GOES BY.
AND I THINK THEN YOU'LL HAVE THE SOLID COMMITTEE MEMBERS ON THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE APPOINTING AND THEN THEY CAN, THEY CAN ADDRESS THIS AND BRING YOU BACK MODIFIED, UH, LANGUAGE.
BUT THIS ALLOWS US AGAIN, TO JUST HAVE A BEGINNING DISCUSSION.
WELL, I THINK IT SHOULD BEGIN WITH YOU, IF I CAN READ, LEMME READ YOU, TO YOU AT LEAST THE VISION, MISSION, AND PURPOSE.
IF, IF, IF I MAY, AND THIS, THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS.
SO VISION STATEMENT, EMPOWERING OUR DIVERSE COMMUNITY FOR CIVIC ENGAGEMENT AND SOCIAL JUSTICE MISSION STATEMENT IS THE BAYTOWN MAYOR'S COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE WILL ENGAGE IN RESPECTFUL DIALOGUE BETWEEN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN OFFICIALS CONCERNED CITIZENS, LOCAL CLERGY, AND BAYTOWN POLICE.
THE PURPOSE OF IMPROVING COMMUNICATION, RELATIONSHIPS, TRANSPARENCY, AND BUILDING TRUST BETWEEN LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT IN ALL SEGMENTS OF THE BAYTOWN COMMUNITY.
PURPOSE IS, UH, KIND OF LONG, BUT I'LL READ, THERE'S NO CONNECTION OF IT.
UH, IT DOES SAY THE PHILOSOPHY OF COMMUNITY POLICING BEGINS WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PROVIDING QUALITY POLICING AND, AND DIRECT PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITIZENS THAT SERVE.
IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THAT GOAL, THERE MUST BE AN OPEN FLOW OF COMMUNICATION INFORMATION AND IDEAS BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THE ROLE IN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE WILL BE TO ENHANCE AND ENCOURAGE THIS FLOW BY BEING A RESOURCE TO THE CITY OF BAYTOWN AND THE BAYTOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT AND BUILDING THE QUALITY OF THIS COMMUNICATION WITH THE COMMUNITY SERVICE.
THE CEAC WILL PROVIDE COMMENTS, SUGGESTIONS, AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE MAYOR, AGAIN AT THE TIME ON PD POLICY AND PROCEDURES TO ENSURE BEST PRACTICES WORK PLACE AND OPERATIONAL.
SO I THINK WE CAN LEAVE THIS OUT HERE IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THAT.
UM, THIS WOULD, I WOULD SAY THIS MEETS THE INTENT THAT CERTAINLY I HAD, AND I THINK THAT MEETS THE INTENT GENERALLY SENSE OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
I CAN'T SPEAK WITH THEM, BUT I, I WOULDN'T THINK THAT'S, FEW OF THOSE STATEMENTS THERE ARE, ARE ENOUGH.
AT LEAST BE ABLE TO KEY OFF A PURPOSE.
BUT ONCE IT BECOMES A COMMITTEE, IT, IT WOULDN'T BE BASIC MERIT MERIT COUNCIL.
SO IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE TUESDAY.
SO DID WE GET STARTED FOR PURPOSE? YEAH.
EVERYBODY YOU SAID AND DELIVERABLE.
WELL, THAT'S PART OF THE PURPOSE.
THAT HELPS US CLARIFY WHAT THE PURPOSE IS.
WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR FROM THEM? AND DAVE, AS LONG AS
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I KEEP YOUR STICKIES, WHAT, SO YOU CAN TALK TO THE REST OF THE GROUP AND WHAT YOU, HE WOULD NO, I'M, I'M, I'M WITH YOU.WE GOT THINGS TO DO AFTER FIVE.
WELL, ONE OF THE STICKIES THAT I PUT DOWN THERE, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AND THAT THE PURPOSE ALREADY COVERS A LOT OF IT, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WAS PROVIDE ADDITIONAL POINT OF CONTACT.
ANOTHER, ANOTHER PLACE THAT SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE A, MAYBE ANOTHER AVENUE TO GET TO SOMEBODY THAT WOULD LISTEN TO THEM THAT AND COULD MAKE IT MEANINGFUL.
AND I WON'T, I'M NOT GONNA PREACH.
ANOTHER ONE I HAD THOUGH WAS TO THE PURPOSE IS TO REACH DEEPER INTO THE COMMUNITY BY MANY LAYERS.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT MIGHT NOT APPROACH A COUNCILMAN OR A MAYOR, BUT THERE MIGHT BE, IF WE GET THESE PEOPLE OUT THE COMMUNITY, MAYBE THERE'S A CHANCE THAT, UH, THAT, UH, WE, WE, WE GET POINTS OF CONTACT.
WHEN I SAY LAYERS, I'M TALKING ABOUT SOCIOECONOMIC LAYERS AND CULTURAL LAYERS AND ALL THOSE THINGS YEAH.
TO TRY TO PULL THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT EMOTION AND THAT AND ALL THAT OUT THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN THE OTHER STEP THAT I HAD, I'M JUST KIDDING.
OH, TWO YOU, YOU'RE GOING TOO.
I, I CAN RETURN TO IT, BUT I MIGHT THINK SO ELSE.
I'M OKAY WITH THE PURPOSE OF THAT'S WRITTEN, BUT NO, I I YOU WRITE THAT ON YOUR NO, I'D LIKE TO, I USE YOUR
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ALSO PROVIDE EQUITABLE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, AND IN TERMS OF OFFICER TRAINING AND POLICIES, I FEEL THAT WE ALSO NEED TO INCLUDE, UM, THAT THEY'RE GOING RECEIVE EITHER, UH, INCLUDING DIVERSITY AND EQUITY TRAINING IN THERE AS WELL.
NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT, HE'S TALKING ABOUT OUR, OFF OUR DEPARTMENT.
SO WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS THEY WOULD BE A, A SOURCE OF RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO ELEVATE TRAINING IN THOSE AREAS.
YOU RESERVE THE RIGHT TO COME BACK.
I'LL JUST ADD STICKY UP THERE.
I WANNA WAIT UNTIL THEY'RE DONE BECAUSE THEY'RE OPENING.
REMEMBER, I'LL LOOK AT YOUR GUYS' SPEED.
WELL, THAT WILL GET THROUGH IT.
WE'LL, WE'LL GET THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICK.
SO I PUT, UM, REALLY SIMILAR TO THE ANIMAL CONTROL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHERE THEY PROVIDE INPUT REGARDING THE ANIMAL CONTROL CENTER ON PLAN STRATEGIES, EDUCATION ORDINANCE, STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO I, I SAID THAT THEIR PURPOSE SHOULD, UM, BE A REVIEW OF PD POLICIES, TRAINING, AND PRACTICES, REALLY SIMILAR TO WHAT OUR ANIMAL CONTROL ADVISORY BOARD DOES.
AND THEN, UH, JUST LIKE, UH, THE ANIMAL ADVISORY BOARD AND THE PARKS BOARD, THEY RECOMMEND CHANGES TO THOSE THINGS TO PD.
SO, UH, THE PARKS BOARD, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, WORKS DIRECTLY WITH SCOTT JOHNSON AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND THE ANIMAL CONTROL ADVISORY COMMITTEE WORKS DIRECTLY WITH TONY AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ON, UH, THEIR THINGS.
UM, AND THEN ANOTHER ONE I SAID IS, UH, THEIR PURPOSE SHOULD ALSO BE TO PROMOTE AND ENCOURAGE GOOD RELATIONS BETWEEN PD AND THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN A DELIVERABLE THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE AS A QUARTERLY REPORT TO COUNCIL FROM THAT COMMITTEE.
SO PRODUCE A QUARTERLY REPORT MEETING.
SINCE THAT RETURN YOUR REPORT, I'VE BEEN VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
DO YOU THINK THE COMMITTEE'S PURPOSE SHOULD BE? YEAH.
YOU'VE GOT A STICKY, UH, CHARLES, YOU READY? OR MAYOR? I GOT, OH, CHRIS, LET'S GO BACK.
THIS IS SOMEWHAT SPECIFIC AND, UH, JUST MAYBE WE CAN WORK IT IN SOMEHOW.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE LAST COUPLE OF INSTANCES THAT HAS GENERATED, I GUESS SOME OUTRAGE, SO TO SPEAK, THE PROCESS ENDS UP WHERE IT GOES UNDER INVESTIGATION, AND
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THAT'S THE LAST THING ANYONE HEARS OF IT.AND THAT PROCESS IN AND OF ITSELF, IT IS SOMEWHAT OF A SOURCE OF FRUSTRATION.
SO IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT A METHOD FROM A TRUSTED PROCESS TO, TO CLOSE THOSE LOOPS AND, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE SOME SORT OF CLOSURE AT SOME POINT IN TIME, SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, WOULD PROBABLY BE APPRECI APPRECIATED AND PRODUCTIVE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO THEY COULD KEEP THOSE INVESTIGATIONS ON THEIR RADAR AND ABSOLUTELY.
AND IT IS JUST NOT SORT OF A COVER UP.
THEY'RE UP TO DATE WHERE ALL THOSE ARE.
WE HAVE A GROUP OF CITIZENS THAT KNOW IT'S VERY GOOD, BUT WE NEED A PROCESS WHERE EVERYBODY KNOWS RIGHT.
AND IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, SUCH A SOURCE OF FRUSTRATION.
DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT, CHARLES? THAT'S FAIRLY IMPORTANT.
UM, HONESTLY, I LIKE EVERYTHING THAT I READ HERE MM-HMM
UM, I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD ALSO FOCUS ON THE OUTREACH.
I, I HAVEN'T SEEN MUCH SAID ABOUT OUTREACH THERAPY AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE HERE.
AVENUE OF OUTREACH AT ANOTHER POINT OF CONTACT.
AND I'M TALKING ABOUT OUTREACH, UM, AS YOU, MYSELF AND BRENDA DISCUSSED, HAVING A BUDGET TO WHERE THEY CAN RECOMMEND TO US.
SOMEHOW, UH, WHAT WORD AM I LOOKING FOR? SOME OPPORTUNITIES WHERE POLICE OFFICERS AND THE COMMUNITY CAN GATHER TOGETHER, NOT NECESSARILY NOT LIMITED TO DISCUSSING ISSUES, BUT JUST TO HAVE SOME FUN RECREATIONAL TIME TOGETHER TO HELP BUILD THAT RELATIONSHIP.
I'M WRITING MINE A LITTLE HERE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THIS IS.
SO I JUST PUT PURPOSE TO ENHANCE, ENCOURAGE, AND FACILITATE THE FLOW OF COMMUNICATION FROM ALL CITIZENS TO BUILD TRUST AND CONFIDENCE IN POLICE ACTIVITIES IN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN.
YOU AND I THINK WITH THE QUARTERLY REPORT THAT'S ALREADY ON THE IMG, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO PUT IT ON THE PURPOSE.
OH, THOSE REPORTS RIGHT THERE.
I THINK THAT, IS THAT A DIFFERENT REPORT? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK THAT'S, WE JUST ASK FOR DELIVERABLES.
I THINK YOU HAD EXCELLENT IDEAS.
WE CERTAINLY WILL LOOK AT, UH, THIS, THIS DOCUMENT AND TAKE THAT ALSO AS A, A, UH, AN EXHIBIT TO THAT, UH, TO THIS, UH, PARTICULAR, UH, PURPOSE.
WE WILL COMPOSE THAT ACCORDINGLY.
UH, THE NEXT THING I I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE COMPOSITION.
OKAY? THIS SHOULD BE FAIRLY QUICK FOR YOU.
HOW MANY PEOPLE, UH, UH, ON IT, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EXIT THIS SEAL, HOW MANY OFFICIO, HOW MANY REGULAR VOTING, UH, MEMBERS.
I JUST NEED REALLY, WHAT IS THIS COMPOSITION GONNA LOOK LIKE? YOU CAN, YOU CAN ALSO GIVE YOUR FEEDBACK WITH REGARD TO REPRESENTATION OF, OF, OF VARIOUS GROUPS SUB WHAT I WOULD CALL SUBGROUPS OF OUR LARGER BIG TOWN GROUP.
WHETHER THOSE BE ETHNICALLY OR SOCIOECONOMICALLY.
PROBABLY PROBABLY STICK MORE CULTURALLY.
UH, UH, GIVE US YOUR IDEAS ON THAT.
SO LEMME ASK YOU, SO COMPOSITION WOULDN, IT MATTER A LITTLE BIT OF HOW IT'S APPOINTED BECAUSE THAT WOULD DETERMINE THE COMPOSITION APPOINTMENT.
WE'RE ONLY GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THE LEGAL PRO, THE, THE, THE METHODOLOGY OF IDENTIFYING PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE.
UH, TO BE SURE THE COMPOSITION WOULD BE LIKE HOW MANY MEMBERS? YEAH.
HOW MANY MEMBERS, WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE? HOW MANY EX OFFICIO DO WE HAVE? WHO'S APPOINTING THEM? UH, UH, THAT KIND OF THING.
COUPLE, GIMME YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.
I THREW OUT, UH, SEVEN MEMBERS.
ONE PER DISTRICT, ONE BY THE MAYOR.
JUST LIKE MOST OF THE OTHER, UH, AS I'VE THUMBED THROUGH ANYWHERE FROM FIVE TO, UH, I DON'T KNOW, SEVEN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT NEEDS TO BE AN ODD NUMBER.
IT NEEDS TO REPRESENT THE ENTIRE CITY.
I NOTICED ON THE FIRST, UH, COMMITTEE, DISTRICT FIVE WASN'T REPRESENTED TO ALL.
NO, I'M SURE THERE WAS NOTHING TO THAT.
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UH, DISTRICT, UH, EVERY DISTRICT SHOULD BE A REPRESENTATIVE, YOU KNOW? AND, UH, WELL, YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND PEOPLE ON THAT LIST.WE HAD NO SAY SO IN WHO WAS GONNA BE.
YEAH, IT'S KIND OF CHUNKED IN THERE.
SEVEN, NINE MEANS SEVEN REGULAR TWOO OR NO, JUST SEVEN TO NINE, WHATEVER, SOMEWHERE.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND, AND, AND MY, MY DEAL, AS I PUT THAT ON THERE, MY THINKING WAS, I, I SEE NO REASON WHY THIS COMMITTEE SHOULD MIRROR OTHER COMMITTEES IN THE, IN THE CITY, LIKE HANDLING WITH A FUNCTION THE WAY THEY'RE APPOINTED, THE WAY THEY'RE THIS WAY, OR THAT.
I MEAN, IT SHOULDN'T, IT'S A COMMITTEE.
CHRIS, DID YOU HAVE ONE? NO, JUST, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH SEVEN.
YOU'RE A SEVEN OR NINE KIND OF GUY.
I HAD S ON THERE, BUT KEEP IT SIMPLE.
I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, IF RUTH GETS TOO LARGE AND YOU HAVE SUBCOMMITTEES AN AD HOC COMMITTEE OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE, I MEAN, THE TAIL ENDS UP TIGHT IN THE HEAD AND IT JUST RIGHT.
IT DOESN'T SEEM OVERLY PRODUCTIVE WHEN THE GROUPS GET TOO LARGE.
I DO WANT MY FREE COUNSEL PLUS THE MAYOR, BUT I ALSO THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME AT LARGE.
THE WAY I THINK ABOUT IT IS WHATEVER, BECAUSE I KNOW OUR DISTRICTS ARE JUST WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, BUT HIGHLAND CAN START WITH BY CREEK.
SO HOW WE TREAT SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTS AS WELL WILL MAKE THEM REFLECT THE CITY OF BAYTOWN.
AND SO THOSE THAT MAY BE STILL ON THE OUTSKIRTS IN CHAMBERS COUNTY OR ON THE ETJ, UM, THAT MAY NOT BE REPRESENTED BY A COUNCIL MEMBER.
SO I STILL THINK THAT WE MAY NEED TO HAVE AN AT LARGE OR UM, SOMEBODY OUT IN THE COUNTY, RIGHT.
WHEN WE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT QUALIFICATIONS, UH, WHETHER YOU'RE SENSITIVE TO ETJ VERSUS INCORPORATED AREA VERSUS GREATER BAYTOWN AREA.
SO I'M GONNA PUT, UH, COUNSEL AND THEN AT LARGE, OKAY, I'LL GO.
LET ME, LEMME SO, SO I, I DO AGREE WITH, UH, COUNCILWOMAN.
SO WHAT I PUT, I, I WILL SAY, DID YOU HAVE ONE? I'M SORRY.
SO I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT CDPG DOES BECAUSE THEY HAVE A PERCENTAGE OF OF MAKEUP YES.
WHERE IT HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, SO MANY AFRICAN AMERICANS, SO MANY HISPANIC, OH, I SEE.
AND THEN, AND THEN THERE'S AN ETJ APPOINTMENT YES.
BUT THAT'S BASED OFF THE POPULATION OF GRAPHICS ALSO, RIGHT? MM-HMM
YEAH, WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
SO MINE, I WILL SAY, UM, I THINK 25 IS TOO BIG.
I THINK TO ME, I THINK SEVEN TO NINE MAYBE TOO SMALL ONLY 'CAUSE A FEW MEMBERS ARE, ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, ABSENT OR OUT OF TOWN, ALL THAT.
UM, THIS IS WHAT I LIKE TO SEE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, IF YOU GET TWO APPOINTMENTS, THEY CAN BE FROM YOUR DISTRICT, THEY CAN BE FROM, FROM ANYWHERE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF BAYTOWN.
I THINK THE MAYOR SHOULD HAVE THREE APPOINTMENTS.
UH, I WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO ANYBODY IN THE CITY LIMITS OF BAYTOWN OR UTJ.
AND ALSO I GET TO DETERMINE WHO THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE IS.
SO THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD, UM, PROPOSE ON THAT.
AND THEN EX OFFICIO, I WOULD UM, ALSO HAVE THE CITY MANAGER MAKE AN APPOINTMENT.
THE BAYTOWN POLICE CHIEF MAKE AN APPOINTMENT.
AND THE BAYTOWN MUNICIPAL POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION.
WELL, NO, THAT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S GONNA BE, UM, 12 TO 15 PLUS THIS THREE.
BUT THOSE ARE JUST EX OFFICIOS BE TROUBLE.
YOU TALKING ABOUT EX OFFICIO, IT'D BE 15.
YOU TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT THE CHIEF OR A STAFF MEMBER AS EX OFFICIO? IT WOULD BE AN EX.
I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT VOTING, THEY'RE JUST THERE FOR INFORMATION.
I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE A PD QUESTION, IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE A PD PERSON.
ERIC'S OFFICIAL OR, OR ANY THEM ADVISORY MEMBERS.
WE'LL JUST PUT 'EM AS ADVISORY MEMBERS.
AND, UM, ALL THESE COMMITTEES WE FORMULATED BELONG TO THE, THE CITIZENS OF BAYTOWN.
WHY DO YOU GET TO PICK THE CHAIRMAN? WHY ONE OUT THERE? I DON'T THINK THAT, I DON'T AGREE TO THAT EITHER.
I MEAN, ALL THE OTHER ONES ARE VOTED ON.
THE GROUP NOMINATES THEIR OWN CHAIRMAN.
I'M STILL, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S HOW WE DID IT.
VICE AND I, I THINK THAT EACH OF US WOULD GET ONE INCLUDING YOU.
AND THEN I THINK IT IS, IF WE WANT TO GET IT BIGGER THAN THAT AND WE FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT WE GET THE POLICE CHIEF TO A 0.1 AND MAYBE RICK OR OTHER YEAH.
RICK ISSUE BE SEVEN, SEVEN OR NINE, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, WOULD BE THAT, ARE WE GONNA GET A GOOD CROSS SECTION OF, SO WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO LOOK AT CD BG TYPE STUFF, IT'S GONNA BE HARDER TO DO THAT WITH LESS NUMBERS.
BUT LOOK MAN, Y'ALL DETERMINE IT.
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WHY WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, THOSE PICKIES UP THERE.BUT LIKE ON LOOK, I MEAN, FOR THE MOST, SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I PROBABLY, I WOULDN'T WANT TO APPOINT TWO CAUCASIANS FROM DISTRICT TWO.
I MEAN, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME WITHIN DON THEN DON'T.
BUT I THINK THE, THE DIVERSITY, YOU KNOW, TO MANDATE IT, I MEAN AGREE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE YOU DON'T AGREE TO MANDATE IT.
I I, I I DIDN'T MEAN TO ROUGH YOU OFF ON THIS.
YEAH, THAT WAS MY POINT'S, MY POINT.
I MEAN WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF CONTROL IN THE CORRECT COMPOSITION AND MAKEUP BY VIRTUE OF WHO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW YOUR DISTRICT, SO YOU APPOINT YES.
AND DON'T TELL ME WHAT I'VE GOTTA DO, BUT I HAVE TO PICK SOMEONE OF THIS ETHNICITY.
AND YOU DO THAT, YOU DO THAT AND THE MAKEUP COMES TOGETHER AND IT IS WHAT IT IS.
I MEAN, AND WE'RE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AT THE END OF THE DAY.
LOOK, IT'S FINE IF I APPOINT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, FOLKS THAT MOST OF MY DISTRICT THINKS IS, YOU KNOW, OFF THE ROCKER, I MEAN THEY'RE GONNA HOLD, THAT'D BE THE LAST TWO PEOPLE I FOR APPOINT TO, TO REPRESENT DISTRICT TWO.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF ACCOUNTABILITY AT THE END OF THE DAY TO APPOINT THE CORRECT PEOPLE RIGHT OFF.
I, UH, SELECTED A NINE MEMBER COMMITTEE.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE ONE FROM EACH DISTRICT.
UH, THE MAYOR DOES ONE OUT LARGE AND ONE ETJ.
AND THEN I THOUGHT THE NINTH MEMBER SHOULD BE A VOLUNTEER FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO NOT LIKE CHIEF DOHERTY BEING TOLD TO GO BE THE POLICE LIAISON.
BUT LET'S ASK PD LIKE, HEY, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE DEPARTMENT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SERVE AND GIVE INPUT AND, AND BE ON THIS COMMITTEE? I DID APPROACH, UH, I DID APPROACH THE MAYOR.
I WAS MAYOR, UH, THE CHIEF ON THAT, THAT SUBJECT.
AND THERE ARE NAMES THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, CONSIDERED MIGHT, MIGHT BE
THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA REVIEW AND RECOMMEND CHANGES TO OUR POLICIES.
TRAINED AND PRACTICES WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE INVOLVED.
AND THE, THE, UH, WHETHER IT WAS OFFERED OR WHAT WAS THE AFRICAN AMERICAN OFFICE WASN'T NAME.
HE WAS REAL GOOD AT THE TWO THINGS I WENT TO.
SO, WELL, I WAS, I WAS GOING VOLUNT TELL
WELL, I DON'T WANNA VOLUNT TELL, I DON'T WANT OFFERED ALL, NOT BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE ALL RECOMMEND HE GETS.
HEY HEATHER, I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT OCULUS ACTUALLY, NOT OFTEN, BUT NO, NO, IT WASN'T.
I, I DON'T WANNA GET IN THE WEEDS AND MICROMANAGE IT.
I GUESS MY MESSAGE IS OPEN IT UP TO THE DEPARTMENT, WRITE A FILE AND WHO WANTS TO BE THERE AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE CONVERSATION.
AND IF IT'S OFFERED, SO BE IT.
HEY, IF THAT'S HOW I, I JUST LET YOU KNOW.
BUT I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE HE'S THE ONLY ONE.
I'M SURE THERE OTHERS THAT MAY WANT CERTIFY HERE.
SO I THINK
OKAY, THIS IS WHAT I'M GONNA RECOMMEND BECAUSE I'M THINKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SERVED ON THIS COMMITTEE FOR A YEAR BEFORE IT WAS HERE, THE COMMITTEE.
I THINK WE CAN LEAVE IT AT 15.
IF WE LOOK AT THIS HERE, THE BREAKDOWN OF IT.
IF I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS, MY, MY DISTRICT, I ONLY HAVE ONE PERSON SERVING ON THIS COMMITTEE RIGHT NOW.
BUT I WANT TO BE FAIR TO THE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE PUT TIME AND EFFORT INTO THIS FOR THE PAST YEAR, AND IT IS ACTUALLY GONE A LITTLE BIT OVER A YEAR NOW.
IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR AND TWO OR THREE MONTHS.
I DON'T THINK IT'D BE FAIR TO US TO TURN AROUND AFTER THEY PUT TIME AND EFFORT INTO THIS AND JUST TELL THEM THAT THANKS, BUT NO THANKS.
WE DON'T NEED YOUR SERVICES ANYMORE.
IF WE'RE GONNA DO TERM LIMITS, AND I KNOW WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT, LET 'EM FINISH OUT WHATEVER TERM WE GIVE THEM.
AND THEN AS PEOPLE DWINDLE DOWN OFF OF THEIR TERM, WE START REPLACING THEM.
NOW DISTRICT FIVE DOESN'T HAVE ANYONE ON HERE.
WE HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, BASICALLY AT LARGE POSITIONS RIGHT NOW OF PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS.
THE WAY WE CAN HANDLE THAT, YOU ALLOW THE COMMITTEE TO DETERMINE WHICH TWO THEY'RE GONNA ASK TO STEP DOWN.
AND YOU ALLOW DISTRICT FIVE TO REPLACE WITH HIS PICKS.
AFTER WE DECIDE TO DO TWO OR THREE YEAR TERMS. AFTER THOSE TERMS ARE OVER, THEN I'LL COME BACK AND PICK ONE OTHER PERSON TO GET TO MY TWO PICKS.
I'LL DECIDE IF I WANT THIS PERSON TO GO AHEAD AND SERVE OR NOT.
BUT WE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT THEY'VE PUT INTO THIS.
WELL, AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
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HAD THE INITIATIVE TO SERVE WHEN CALLED TO HOT.YOU KNOW, SO I, I I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING TO THAT.
BUT I WOULD PROBABLY PREFER, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, I, I FEEL LIKE THE, THE, WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING NOW IS GREAT.
I WISH IT WOULD'VE HAPPENED EARLIER ON, BUT LIKE I SAY, I KNOW TIME WAS OF THE ESSENCE AND WE HAD TO GET IT TOGETHER.
I MEAN, BUT I, I WOULD, I WOULD LIMIT THE INITIAL TERM CHARLES.
SO WE WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE OUR APPOINTMENT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
WELL, BUT I UNDERSTAND BEING COURTEOUS AND GIVING THEM ONE YEAR JUST FINE.
HOW DO, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT ONE COMMITTEE MEMBER BEING A HOUSTON RESIDENT? WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACCURATE.
I DON'T WANT ANYONE FROM HOUSTON DICTATING HOW BAYTOWN PD IS RUN.
SEE, BAYTOWN PD DOESN'T PULL UP YOUR HOUSE WHEN YOU CALL 9 1 1.
YOU DON'T NEED TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE IF SOMEONE ELSE SHOWS UP.
WELL, I, I WANT, I WANT, I MEAN, I KNOW Y'ALL WANNA PUT A LOT OF, UM, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT TO, TO RESPECT PEOPLE WHO SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE, BUT REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS PUT TOGETHER, IT DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHERE SOMEBODY, FOR THE MOST PART WHERE THEY LIVED.
SO YOU CAN'T PUT TOO MUCH, I DON'T WANT TO EMPHASIZE TOO MUCH ON WHICH COUNCIL DISTRICT IT WAS IN ALL THAT.
'CAUSE IT WASN'T, THAT WASN'T EVEN A CONSIDERATION.
WELL, I'M SAYING THAT TRYING TO MAKE CHARLES HAPPY DID, BUT IT IS NOW KNOW.
I KNOW I'M SAYING WE'RE TRYING TO TO, TO, TO, UH, MARRIED THE TWO.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO PUT TOO MUCH EMPHASIS JUST ON THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, WELL I'M MAKING, MY STATE IS BASED OFF OF THIS.
IF YOU LOOK UP THERE, JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID FROM EVERY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER TALKS ABOUT A COUNCIL DISTRICT.
SO IT'S PROBABLY GONNA GO THAT WAY.
AND IF IT'S GONNA GO THAT WAY, I'M THINKING OF SOME, A WAY WE COULD MARRY THE TWO.
COMPROMISE AND BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE WHO'S SERVED ON THIS COMMITTEE.
I KNOW IF IT WERE ME SERVING, YEAH.
AND AFTER A YEAR, I WAS JUST TOLD, YOU KNOW WHAT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR YEAR OF SERVICE, BUT WE'RE GONNA GO IN, UM, NOT NECESSARILY A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
WE'RE NOT PAYING ANY OF THESE.
THEY'RE NOT GETTING A STIPEND FOR DOING THIS.
THEY'VE ACTUALLY SPENT THEIR TIME AWAY FROM FAMILY.
THEY SPENT THEIR TIME FACING RIDICULE FROM PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE JUST LIKE US BEING COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVES.
THEY, THEY HAVE TO CATCH ALL OF THAT.
SO WHAT IF WE JUST CONTINUE WITH THESE FOLKS FOR ONE MORE YEAR, CHARLES, THAT GIVES 'EM A TWO YEAR TERM AND THEN WE ENACT WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH ONE YEAR FROM NOW.
AND I, I LEMME FINISH THEM OFF.
THE THING ABOUT, UH, MY STICKY, I BELIEVE IF WE'RE GONNA DO A POLICE OFFICER, IF THEY'RE REVIEWING, UM, COMPLAINTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG AND WE CAN GET SOME NUMBERS ON THIS, BUT MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT HAVE COME FROM OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, IF I'M SAYING THIS CORRECTLY, HAVE COME FROM THE EVENING SHIFT.
IN ORDER FOR THAT SHIFT TO BE ACCOUNTABLE.
AND YOU'RE GONNA REVIEW IT ON A YEARLY BASIS AND NOTICE AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
THE POLICE OFFICER THAT'S GOING TO SERVE SHOULD COME FROM WHICHEVER SHIFT HAS THE MOST COMPLAINTS THAT HAVE BEEN VALID.
NOW, THERE IS SOMEONE FROM THAT SHIFT THAT'S BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE FROM THE RESIDENCE HAVING TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO THE CEAC HOWEVER OFTEN THEY, UM, HAVE TO COME UP.
NOW YOU HAVE TO SIT THERE AND FACE THE REPERCUSSIONS OF YOUR, YOUR, UM, YOUR SHIFT'S ACTIONS.
DO YOU STAND THE CHANCE OF MAKING IT TOO DETAILED AND COMPLICATED TO BE FUNCTIONAL? HOW IS THAT? I'M JUST SAYING OVERALL AS I'M LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE DEVELOPING HERE, WE STILL GOT MORE.
YOU'RE GONNA MAKE IT SO DETAILED AND SO COMPLICATED THAT IT'LL BE A DYSFUNCTIONAL GROUP.
I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THAT IF, IF, IF THEY'RE GONNA BE TAKING THE COMPLAINTS.
WELL THE REASON BEING IS, IS LIKE THE GRAVEYARD SHIFT OR THE EVENING SHIFT MM-HMM
THAT'S WHERE MOST OF YOUR ROOF RAFF GOES ON.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE COMPLAINTS 'CAUSE THERE'S MORE ARREST IN THE EVENINGS.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE THAT WAY BECAUSE THE, THE COMPLAINTS COME FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN TREATED WHO FEEL AS IF THEY HAVEN'T BEEN TREATED FAIRLY.
I'M GONNA GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
TWO YEARS AGO I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM A RESIDENT WHO SAID THAT SHE WAS CALLED BY, I'M NOT GONNA NAME THE OFFICER, 11, 12 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
THE OFFICER CALLED HER BECAUSE HER CAR WAS INVOLVED IN AN INCIDENT AND HE WAS CUSSING HER OUT.
NOW PUT YOURSELF IN THAT RESIDENCE SHOES AND IMAGINE, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF HE CALLED YOUR HOUSE? HE TALKED TO YOUR WIFE OR YOU TALK TO YOUR HUSBAND AND USE FOUL LANGUAGE WITH THEM 11 O'CLOCK IN 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, 12 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
THAT'S THE TYPE OF COMPLAINTS I'M TALKING ABOUT.
NOW, IF IT IS NOT ANYTHING LIKE THAT GOING
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ON, SO BE IT.BUT WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE THE RESPECT FOR OUR CITIZENS, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR IT.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S TOO MUCH TO HAVE YOU SIT THERE AND HEAR IT BECAUSE NOW YOU KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
I'M GONNA GO BACK AND TELL THESE GUYS, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB BECAUSE I'M THE ONE HAVING TO TAKE, HAVING TO HEAR THIS.
IT MAKES THEM HOLD THEMSELVES ACCOUNTABLE.
WELL, AND THAT'S WHY I ADDED UNDER PURPOSE, CHARLES.
THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST I ADDED CLOSE THE LOOP, PROVIDE CLOSURE AND COME UP WITH PROCESS.
SO BACK TO ME, BACK TO MY JOB.
SO I WHAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY NOW.
NO, YOU WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT NOT THESE PEOPLE WAIT YEARS.
SO Y'ALL, I WAS SICK OUT WITH COVID, BUT THE COUNCIL, WE, I'LL USE, WE VOTED TO MAKE THIS NOT AN AD HOC COMMITTEE.
WE VOTED TO MAKE THIS A REAL COMMITTEE WITH THE CITY, BAY COUNTY.
THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND AND FIX IT.
I KNOW YOU MAY HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THERE DOING THEIR THING AND WANNA STAY, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, WE MADE THIS A REAL COMMITTEE AND IT NEEDS TO FOLLOW THE LINES OF A REAL COMMITTEE WITH THE CITY.
AND THIS IS THE CHANCE TO CLIP IT OFF AND GET IT DONE.
ALL THIS STUFF ABOUT LETTING PEOPLE STAY AND DO ALL THIS OTHER STUFF.
THEY, YOU JUST MOWING THE WATER.
IF YOU, IF Y'ALL, WHEN Y'ALL VOTED ON THAT, I WASN'T THERE, DIDN'T WANNA MAKE IT A REAL COMMITTEE THEN YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE VOTED FOR BEING A DAMN REAL COMMITTEE.
YOU SHOULD HAVE LIFTED AN AD HOC AND LET IT GO AND LET EVERYBODY BE ON.
NOT MAKING IT A REAL COMMITTEE.
WE ARE MAKING IT A REAL COMMITTEE.
BUT LET ASK LEMME ASK THIS ONE QUESTION.
SO BESIDES MAYBE THE, THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY LIVE IN THE BAYTOWN, BUT FOR ALL THE OTHERS THAT SAY, WHICH IS STILL, IT'S STILL ABOUT 60% OF THE COMMITTEE YOU HAVE, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE, YOU CAN HAVE AN OPTION.
WE CAN SAY THAT YOU'RE ALONG IN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN, CITY OF BAYTOWN.
IT COULD BE SOMEBODY WHO'S ALREADY SERVED OR SOMEBODY ELSE THAT YOU MAY WANT TO APPOINT.
'CAUSE THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY, LIKE ANY OTHER REAL COMMITTEE TO APPOINT SOMEBODY NOW THAT YOU HAVE A SAY.
SO WANT LEMME ASK THE HYPOTHETICAL TO YOU TODAY, BECAUSE I'M JUST CURIOUS.
NO, I'M SAYING NO, NOTHING'S GONNA PREVENT YOU FROM REAPPOINTMENT OF WELL, I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT THE STICKIER QUESTION IS, AND I WANT TO ASK YOU THIS BECAUSE I'M CURIOUS HOW YOU WOULD HANDLE IT.
I MEAN, SO THERE'S TWO FOLKS ON HERE UNDER DISTRICT 6, 3 3, OH SORRY, THREE YOU RIGHT? OKAY.
I MEAN, WOULD YOU TRY TO REAPPOINT THOSE OR DO YOU HAVE OTHER FOLKS IN MIND OR HOW WOULD YOU HANDLE IT? OR WOULD YOU JUST, IF THEY GET MAD AT YOU, THEY GET MAD AT YOU.
I WOULD TELL YOU WOULD HANDLE IT.
WE VOTED TO MAKE IT A, I HATE TO USE THAT WORD REAL COMMITTEE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, IT IS WHAT IT IS.
IT'S TIME TO CLIP THAT OFF AND GET IT DONE.
IT SHOULD FOLLOW THE BASIC SIZE, UH, YOU KNOW, CONSISTENCY WITH OTHER COMMITTEES.
THE APPOINTMENT SHOULD BE THE SAME AS OTHER COMMITTEES.
ALL THAT SHOULD CHANGE BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY YOU VOTED TO DO IT.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA CREATE SOME WEIRD COMMITTEE OUT THERE.
THAT'S POINT I AGREE WITH YOU.
SO ALL THESE STIPULATIONS WRONG.
SO I, I THINK MAYOR YES, I THINK WE'RE GETTING WAY OFF.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE WHOLE FACT THAT WE'RE HAVING SUCH ISSUES WITH TRYING TO COME UP WITH THIS COMMITTEE AND THE PURPOSE AND EVERYTHING REALLY PROVES TO THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT READY FOR THIS.
WE'RE NOT READY TO PUT THIS TOGETHER JUST YET.
AND WHEN THIS WAS FIRST BROUGHT TO THE CEAC, IT WAS BROUGHT TO THEM WHEN IT WAS ALREADY ON THE AGENDA FOR CITY COUNCIL.
AND RICK, I, I KNOW YOU AND I TALKED SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT THIS AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, WHO DECIDED TO MAKE IT FORMAL AND WHY ARE WE PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA BEFORE IT'S EVEN BROUGHT TO CEAC? THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A FORMAL AGENDA ITEM THAT WE WERE GONNA MAKE IT A FORMAL COMMITTEE.
WELL, Y'ALL TALKED TO THEM ON A MONDAY AND THE AGENDA WAS ALREADY OUT THAT IT WAS ON THAT COMMITTEE.
I THINK THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE JOINTLY.
I I THINK THE COUNCIL ACTION WAS WE'LL JUST SAY THERE, THERE, COUNCIL ACTION DIDN'T MAKE THIS AN OFFICIAL COMMITTEE.
NOW WHAT? AND AND INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING FOOD, HERE YOU GO COUNSEL, IN THAT DISCUSSION, UM, I'M ASSUMING EVERYBODY BESIDES DAVE WAS THERE.
SO IN THAT, INCLUDING YOURSELF MM-HMM
WAS, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE IT WHATEVER, 60 DAYS, WHATEVER TO, TO GO THROUGH THIS EXERCISE AND DETERMINE THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, I WOULD'VE TO SAY, THIS IS THE TIME WE DECIDE WHAT DO Y'ALL WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE? OKAY.
WELL WE DECIDED WITH NO MORE THAN 25 PEOPLE.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAD DECIDED AT THAT POINT.
I THINK WE SAID LET'S GET IT FORMALIZED, BUT LET'S COME BACK WITH WHAT WE WANTED.
I THINK IF A JURY THING TO MAKE IT AN OFFICIAL COMMITTEE, LAURA, THERE'LL HAVE MORE.
IT HAS MORE TEETH AS OFFICIAL COMMITTEE.
I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A BAD IDEA TO MAKE IT FORMAL.
I JUST THINK THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON WE ARE HAVING DIFFICULTY PUTTING TOGETHER A COMMITTEE THAT WE'RE NOT SERVING ON,
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NOT SERVING ON.AND I DON'T, I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WE, WHAT I SEE SEVEN OF THE NINE MEMBERS WHO MAKES THE APPOINTMENTS IF THEY'RE IN THE CITY OR ETJ.
THAT'S ALL I REALLY, WE NEED TO REALLY, I SAYING LAURA, WE'RE DIFFICULT.
WE'RE GONNA GET INTO THIS DEBATE AND DISCUSSION WHETHER WE DO IT NOW OR SIX MONTHS FROM NOW.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TO START NOW TO, WE'RE ASKING WHETHER IT'S STICKY NOTES, SOMETHING.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BUILD, WE HAVE TO BUILD WHATEVER THE COMPOSITION IS TO PROVIDE DIRECTION SO THAT THAT WHATEVER LEGAL WILL NEED TO, TO SAY THIS IS WHAT THE COMMITTEE LOOKS LIKE.
AND IF, IF THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IF, IF IT'S ONE, ONE APPOINTMENT PER DISTRICT OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU COULD CHOOSE FROM THESE FOLKS OR YOU COULD CHOOSE FROM SOMEBODY ELSE.
NOW YOU HAVE A SAY WHO THAT IS.
WELL, I'M IN FAVOR OF KEEPING IT, KEEPING IT TRIM AND NEAT AND CONCISE.
I PUT DOWN SEVEN WHAT OUT OF, YOU KNOW, THE NORMAL SEVEN, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
IF IT WENT TO NINE, I COULD LIVE WITH THAT.
IF THE POLICE CHIEF MADE TWO POLICE APPOINTMENTS OR SOMETHING TO IT.
BUT I THINK ONCE YOU GET TO, NONE OF OUR OTHER COMMITTEES ARE HUGE.
ONCE YOU GET TO THAT, IT'S LIKE GETS BIGGER.
WELL JUST GETS AND THAT'S WHAT YOUR NUMBER UP THERE, THAT'S WHAT WE SAID WHEN THE ORIGINAL 25 NUMBERS CAME UP AND YOU ALL AGREED THAT THAT WAS TOO BIG.
WE WERE IN THE BACK WORK SESSION THREE.
AND I SAID, AND THEN I FORGOT WHO IT WAS THAT SAID, WELL WE'RE GONNA HAVE SUBCOMMITTEES AND THAT THAT'S FINE.
THEY JUST WOULDN'T BE AN ACTUAL WELL THAT'S NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING WILL PRECLUDE.
I KNOW IT WASN'T THAT COMMITTEE IN IT SOUNDS LIKE A GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
THEY COULD HAVE SUBCOMMITTEES OF ANYBODY THAT THEY WANT.
THEY COULD PICK THEIR OWN SUBCOMMITTEES.
WE ALSO DISCUSSED, IT WASN'T OFFICIAL, BUT WE ALSO DISCUSSED THAT EVENING THAT THE CURRENT MEMBERS THAT WERE ON THERE WERE, WE THOUGHT ABOUT LETTING THEM CONTINUE THAT TERM UNTIL WE DO THE NEW ASSIGNMENTS.
OR THAT WE, WE, WE DID SAY THAT, WE DID DECIDE THAT, WELL IT WASN'T AN OFFICIAL VOTE OR ANYTHING, BUT WE DID DISCUSS THAT.
WE SAID THAT AND THAT'S WHEN WE TURNED AROUND AND YOU ASKED FOR A LIST TO SEE WHAT DISTRICTS THEY WERE FROM MM-HMM
THAT THE REST OF THOSE DECISIONS.
BUT THAT THEY HAVE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT A YEAR NOW.
SO I MEAN WHY CAN'T WE JUST TRY TO COMPROMISE A LITTLE BIT AND IF WE, THAT'S FINE.
IF WE DON'T WANNA WAIT A YEAR, MAYBE WE TAKE IT UP FIRST OF NEXT YEAR DAY.
THAT GIVES 'EM, YOU KNOW, SIX MORE MONTHS THE OPPORTUNITY.
YOU MAKE THEIR APPOINTMENT, YOU PICK UP THE ONE YOU WANT AND PUT 'EM ON THERE.
NOW, WHATEVER, IF WE DO THIS APPOINTMENT, BUT I JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE AT.
I MEAN, ARE THEY, DO THEY HAVE ANYTHING THAT THEY'RE ANY UNFINISHED WORK PRODUCT? AT LEAST? I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYTHING WHERE LIKE IF PRECLUDES ANYTHING, WE'RE HERE TODAY.
BUT THE LARGEST COMMITTEE IN THE CITY GOING THROUGH THE LIST IS MDD AT 11.
THE NEXT LARGEST COMMITTEE IN THERE IS NINE PEOPLE.
BUT I THINK THE POLICE CHIEF ORDER TO GET AUTHORITY WITH THE POLICE AND SOME, MAYBE THE CITY MANAGER WANTED CITY MANAGER AND THE CHIEF POLICE CHIEF COULD APPOINT UH, SOMETHING.
I NEED A COUPLE OFFICERS IN THERE.
IF YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF
WHAT'S WRONG THAT, OH, I MEAN, SO WHAT, JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND, UH, I DIDN'T REALIZE THE PROCESS I'M GONNA GO THROUGH IS, THESE ARE ALL GREAT IDEAS.
I'M GONNA TAKE WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE CONSENSUS.
THE CONSENSUS AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN MOLD THAT FROM THERE, UH, MORE.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA BRING BACK TO YOU.
I'M NOT GONNA PUT IT ON A AGENDA UNTIL YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND THEN FINE TUNE IT.
WELL, I CAN SEND YOU WHAT NOW UP A LITTLE BIT.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE NINE.
LIKE AND I CAN TELL YOU WHAT, I'LL BE HAPPY WITH NINE.
BECAUSE LOOKING AT THIS HERE, WHAT'S GONNA END UP HAPPENING? BOB STILL NEEDS A PICK.
WE STILL NEED SOMEBODY FROM DISTRICT FIVE.
YOU'RE GOING, YOU HAVE ACTUALLY DISTRICT SIX HAS THE MOST SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIND A WAY THEY NEED TO COME OFF OF IT.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIND A WAY OF GETTING AND I'LL DEAL WITH THOSE TWO OFF OF THERE.
AND THEN, UH, AND THEY BE THAT THEY EVEN BE NONE OF THEM ON THERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE I HAVE TWO MAYBE NONE OF THE DISTRICT SAYS ON THERE.
UH, THE NEXT DAY IT'S PROBABLY, NO, NO, LET SIR, LET'S DISCUSS ONE OTHER THING ABOUT OUTSIDE THE CITY MEMBERS OF OUTSIDE THE CITY.
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DISAGREE WITH THAT.WE'RE GONNA GET THE QUALIFICATIONS.
NO, IT IT IS BROUGHT UP HERE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AND I THINK THERE'S A STICKY ON THERE OR THERE THAT HAD SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
AND I, I DON'T THINK WE BE DOING THAT.
I AGREE THAT THAT'S A GREAT, THAT'S A GREAT BRIDGE TO
SO, SO QUALIFICATION IS, HAS THE
I UNDERSTAND THE SENSITIVITY TO SIBLINGS OF BAYTOWN ON, ON APPOINTMENTS.
UM, I WILL SAY REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO AT LEAST IF IT'S MAYOR APPOINTMENT, THAT I WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPOINT AT LEAST ONE WITHIN THE ETJ, WHICH IS IN LINE WITH A LOT OF OTHER COMMITTEES.
THAT COULD BE YOUR APPOINTMENT.
I'M SAYING AT LEAST THE MAYOR, I HAVE THE ABILITY FOR IN CITY OR EJ I'LL TELL YOU WHY YOU HAVE MIDDLE LAKE VILLAGE.
ARE THEY SERVICED BY WHO? BAYTOWN PD OR FROM A WELL COUNTY.
I'M, I'M GET INTO THAT MIDDLE LAKE VILLAGE.
YOU HAVE SPRINGFIELD, YOU HAVE, UM, HIGHLANDS RANCH.
I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT, I'M SPEAKING OF PARTS OF THE CITY THAT ARE NOT INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.
'CAUSE WE HAVE AN ANNEX THERE.
THOSE PEOPLE HAVE MORE INTERACTION WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT THAN THEY DO WITH THE POLICE OFFICER THAT ACTUALLY PUT PATROL THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE A HARRIS COUNTY POLICE OFFICER PATROLLING THROUGH LAKEWOOD, AND IF THEY DON'T THINK YOU'RE DOING ANYTHING WRONG, YOU'RE A HOMEOWNER.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY INTERACTION WITH THEM UNLESS YOU CALL 'EM.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING THROUGH THE STREETS OF BAYTOWN, 'CAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO WALMART, YOU'RE GOING TO TARGET, YOU'RE COMING DOWN THE CITY HALL, YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE GOING TO PICK UP YOUR CHILD FROM SCHOOL WHO'S, WHOSE SCHOOL IS IN THE CITY LIMITS.
YOU'RE GONNA, IT IS A MUCH HIGHER OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO BE PULLED OVER AND HAVE AN EXPERIENCE WITH OUR POLICE OFFICERS.
SO IN THAT RESPECT, I HONESTLY BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE AN ETJ REPRESENTATIVE AND WE CAN ACTUALLY SET THE BOUNDARIES ON THE ETJ, UH, OR SOMEONE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY MEMBERS SET.
I'M NOT SAYING OTHER COMMITTEES HAVE E TJ YEAH.
I'M NOT SAYING BELLEVUE, BUT SOMEONE INSIDE THE CITY WHO'S NOT NECESSARILY IN THE CITY SHOW ON ROAD RIGHT THERE, IF YOU HAVE PARTS OF THEM THAT'S NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS, BUT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE INTERACTIONS TRAVELING INTO BAYTOWN TO USE, UM, TO VISIT ONE OF THE STORES THERE.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE PEOPLE WHO, WHEN THEY DIAL 9 1 1, THAT THE CITY OF BAYTOWN GUY PULLS UP IN THEIR DRIVEWAY.
AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS FOR WHAT I JUST SAID.
AND THE SECOND THING I DID, THERE'S LIKE, OKAY, SAY SAY THERE'S NINE PRECIOUS SPOTS ON THIS, THESE CONNECTIONS.
BUT WHEN YOU ASK SOMEBODY, YOU, THE OFFICER DOES PULL THIS DRIVEWAY.
YOU JUST TOOK AWAY ONE OF THOSE PRECIOUS THOUGHT FROM SOMEBODY WHO IS SERVED COMPLETELY BY BAYTOWN MEDIA VESTED, VESTED IN IT.
SO HOW CAN YOU TAKE SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT EVEN SERVICE AT THEIR RESIDENCE BY SOMEBODY LIKE THAT AND TAKE AWAY A SPOT THAT YOU'RE GONNA APPOINT BY SOMEONE WHO, WHEN THEY CALL, THEY GET, THEY HAVE PD IN THE DRIVEWAY? I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
I DON'T THAT IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THE LADY THAT COMES SPOKE TO US THAT DOESN'T LEAVE LIVE IN THE CITY OR THE JURISDICTIONAL TERRITORY.
EXPECTED US TO CALL HER ANYTIME WE DID SOMETHING IN BAY COUNTY.
WELL, WHY DO WE HAVE NON PRECIOUS, WHY DO WE HAVE E TJ ON PLAN AND ZONING? WHY DO WE HAVE E TJ? THEY PLAN AND ZONING FOR THOSE PEOPLE.
THEY PLAN AND ZONE FOR THOSE PEOPLE.
REGULAT, THEY THINK STILL BE REGULATED LIKE FIVE.
CAN YOU KIND OF GIVE US MORE OF A LITTLE LEGAL BACKGROUND ON WHY WE DO HAVE E TJ APPOINTMENTS ON COMMITTEES SUCH AS D AND Z AND MAYBE ONE OR TWO OTHERS? WELL, D AND ZI KNOW IS WE'VE GOT ON THERE BECAUSE WE REGULATE OUR SUBJECT IS MORE FEDERALLY IMPLIED WITHIN THE CITY, BUT ALSO PARTIES.
SO THE ETJ IS APPLICABLE, VERY APPLICABLE ON COMMITTEES LIKE P AND Z ON BOTH.
BUT SO, SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, MAN, I I GOT LOST IN THE CONFUSION HERE.
SO DO OUR PD, DID THEY RESPOND TO ANY AREA IN ETJ? NO.
SECONDARY THEY DO THE PRIMARY WAS THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OR CONSTABLE.
IF THEY CAN'T MAKE IT, I MEAN WHY WARRANT SOMEONE ON THERE? YEAH.
YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY INTERACTION WITH PII I'M PAUSE MIND THEIR MIND TOO.
IF YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE TAKING AWAY THAT SPOT FROM A CITIZEN, YOU'RE TAKING IT AWAY FROM SOMEBODY TOO.
WHEN YOU GIVE IT TO THAT PERSON OUT THERE, THAT'S THE PART THAT BOTHERS ME THE WORST.
SO, BUT LET ME, LET ME JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? CAN I GET, LET ME GET A FEEL FOR WHAT I'M HEARING.
IT SOUNDS MORE LIKE COUNCIL MAY, COUNCIL
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AND MAYOR WILL ALL HAVE AN APPOINTMENT AND THEY HAVE TO BE TWO EX OFFICIO MEMBERS.UH, IT LOOKS MORE LIKE PROBABLY ONE CITY MANAGER, ONE PD.
EVERYBODY HAS TO BE OTHER THAN THE EX OFFICIO, OTHER THAN EX OFFICIO, LET'S SAY.
BUT ALL, ALL VOTING MEMBERS WOULD, WOULD BE THE SEVEN APPOINTED BY COUNCIL.
UH, WILL HAVE A VOTE, BUT THE EX OFFICIOS WILL NOT HAVE A VOTE.
I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE HEARING, BUT I'M STILL OKAY WITH ONE ETJ APPOINTMENT.
I JUST, YEAH, I MEAN, IE WHAT EVERYBODY'S SAYING HERE, I'M GONNA PUT MY STICKY NOTES UP BEFORE I FORGET QUALIFICATIONS.
SO, BUT, BUT, BUT LET'S AT LEAST AGREE.
SO IDIOT PCO, LIKE, AND EVEN OTHER THINGS, THEY'RE NON CORRECT.
I MEAN, I AM, DON'T, IS THEY THERE BECAUSE OF THEIR ROLE OR JOB FUNCTION? NOT BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY LIVE AND THAT, SO, PD APPOINTMENT.
UH, HERE ON HEATHER'S, UH, MORE QUAL, SAME THING I PUT OVER THERE WITH THE WHO THEY SHOULD BE SIX DISTRICT, ONE OF R 20, TJ ONE, ONE COP, COMPLETE STANDARD APPLICATION.
SO THERE, THERE'LL BE AN APPLICATION PROCESS THAT'S KIND OF PART OF THE APPOINTMENT PROCESS AS WELL.
IF YOU WANNA BE ON A COMMITTEE, YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT THE APPLICATION.
IT GOES ON FILE FOR CITY CLERK, THREE YEAR TERMS, MIRROR THAT STANDARD, THREE TERMS STANDARD FOR ALL THE COMMITTEES.
SO I'D RECOMMEND ON THE THREE U TERMS, MAYBE WE, HALF OF THEM DO TWO YEARS, AND SO THERE'S A STAGGER.
WHATEVER THE STANDARD, WHATEVER THE STANDARD IS, STANDARD IS TYPICALLY OKAY.
STANDARD AND THEN ONE POLICE EDUCATION EXPERIENCE SLASH PROGRAM PER YEAR, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THAT COULD BE APPS TRAINING.
THAT COULD BE RIDE ALONG, THAT COULD BE POLICE ACADEMY, RIGHT? YEAH.
I'M ALREADY TALKING ABOUT THAT.
HOW DO YOU START THAT ROTATION ON THE NEW COMMITTEE? COMMITTEE? USUALLY YOU DO DRAW STRAWS.
I'M SORRY, CJ TO J THAT HERE LIKE THIS.
YOU CAN PUT THE CHECK MORE ON THE SIDE.
I'M, I'M RIGHT THERE WITH, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT BOB DID ON THE FIRST ONE.
SO YOU'RE RUNNING LINE WITH THESE, WHAT WE CALL NOW THE KIN DOCTOR, WHICH IS, YEAH.
I GONNA STOP DURING, I HATE, I HATE THIS STICKY NOTE PROCESS WITH A PASSION.
ANY, ANY STICKIES ON QUALIFICATIONS? YES SIR.
HERE'S WHAT, SO I AGREE THAT IN CITY MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME.
LOOK MAN, YOU, YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH PD TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE, IN MY OPINION.
BUT LOOK, IF, IF YOU THINK YOU, YOU KNOW, I CAN GO EITHER WAY HERE.
I'M NOT GOING TO THE MATH OVER THE MAYOR GETS AN E TJ APPOINTMENT OR NOT, OR AN EJ APPOINTMENT.
I MEAN, YOU CAN STILL APPOINT SOMEONE IN THE CITY IF YOU THINK THEY'RE BETTER QUALIFY.
SO, MAN, I I REALLY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS WOULD BE MORE PROPER, BUT I'M NOT GONNA ARGUE OVER IT.
UH, DO YOUR TERMS. I I, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST, I'VE NEVER LOCKED EX VISIO.
IF THE POLICE CHIEF GETS A PICK AND THE CITY MANAGER GETS A PICK, THEN THAT'S IT.
WHY DON'T THEY GET A VOTE? AND THESE EX OFFICIOS, I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A VOTE.
MOST TIMES IT'S LIKE THE MOST EX EXS DON'T GET A VOTE.
YOU CAN SAY THEY GET AN ACTUAL FUND.
YEAH, I WOULD SAY THEY GET AN ACTUAL APPOINTMENT.
WHO WANTS TO GO TO A MEETING IF YOU DON'T GET A VOTE? YOU SAY, SO THAT WOULD BE, YOU GET PAID, BUT THAT'S FINE.
I'M BY NOW TWO, TWO OFFICIAL APPOINTMENTS THAT HEY, THEY VOTING MEMBERS, CAN WE GET THE DECIDE DISTRICT SEVEN.
ALRIGHT, I'M ALRIGHT, I'M GOOD WITH TWO YEAR DEAL.
HOW CAN YOU DO SO STRAIGHT
WELL, I WAS GONNA, GOING BACK TO THE MAYOR'S CASE.
SO THE MAYOR, ARE WE GOING TO SAY THE MAYOR CAN BE IN CITY RETJ? THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.
OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE E TJ OR WHOEVER HE PUTS ON IS IT'S INSIDE OR OUTSIDE, BUT AT THE MINIMUM IT HAS TO BE INSIDE THE ETJ.
IT CAN'T BE, YOU CAN'T PUT SOMEBODY FROM KATIE.
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I STILL HOLD FIRMLY INSIDE THE CITY, BUT I'M ONLY ONE VOTE.SO I, I THINK Y'ALL NEED TO, WELL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS IN APPOINTMENT, BUT I THINK YOU GUYS NEED AS A BODY TO RATIFY.
SO HOUSTON, SO I PUT QUALIFICATIONS, I THINK THEY NEED TO STAY ON THE COMMITTEE.
THEY NEED TO RIDE WITH AN OFFICER X TIMES A YEAR.
THEY NEED TO GET IN THE CAR AND SPEND I WHAT THAT NUMBER IS AT LEAST.
WELL I THINK THAT IDEA IS THAT THE LEAST THEY HAVE TO PARTICIPATE IN WHATEVER KIND OF POLICE, SOME EDUCATION, SOMETHING THEY GOT PERSON.
EVERYBODY FEELS PRETTY MUCH LIKE THAT.
ANY OTHER STICK MEMBERS? YES, SIR.
I KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE NOT BEING HELD TO THE MAT TO DO THIS, WHY WOULD WE REQUIRE THIS COMMITTEE TO DO IT? WE'RE WE'RE ASKED TO DO 'EM, WE'RE SAYING, YEAH, WE'D LIKE FOR Y'ALL TO DO ONE, BUT WE'RE NOT HELPING THE MATH TO DO ONE.
WE HAVE THAT OPTION TO DO WHAT TO DO BY LONGS AND WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN DOING, BUT IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR US, SO WHY MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT FOR US? OKAY.
WE ALSO NEED TO RIDE ON THE BACK OF THE GARBAGE TRUCK AND SEE HOW THEY DO.
AND WE NEED TO GO OUT INTO OTHER AREAS.
I MEAN, THIS, THIS GROUP HERE HAS A DIFFERENT CHARTER.
I GUESS WHERE I'M COMING FROM IS IF THEY'RE GONNA RECOMMEND CHANGES TO TRAINING POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, I WANT THEM TO HAVE A THOROUGH UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT'S LIKE TO APPLY THOSE THINGS IN REAL LIFE.
AND I THINK, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH BEING BETTER EDUCATED ON THE DEPARTMENT.
YOU'RE GONNA RECOMMEND CHANGES ON SOME OF THESE MAY HAVE GONE THROUGH THE POLICE ACADEMY.
WHO'S NEXT? MAYOR? OH, I'LL GO AHEAD.
YOU YOU GOT A GOOD POINT THERE.
WHEN, WHEN I WENT THROUGH THE FIRST FACTS TRAINING AND WAS KILLED NINE OUTTA 10 TIMES, THEY KILLED ME.
YOU YEAH, I, I LEARNED A LOT AND I, I, I SAW HOW THIN THAT BLUE LINE IS VERY THIN AND IN A MILLISECOND, THOSE GUYS HAVE TO DECIDE ON EITHER THEIR LIFE OR SOMEBODY ELSE'S LIFE.
SOME OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN SEEING THE PAST FEW MONTHS, SUCH AS MOST OF THESE GUYS THAT HAVE CAUSED ALL THIS TROUBLE IN THAT WERE SEEN IN THE UNITED STATES, THEY'RE RESISTING ARREST.
THEY DECIDED TO BE A CRIMINAL AND IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT TO SOME OF THIS, UH, JUANEL X WENT THROUGH THAT SAME TRAINING WITH THE HOUSTON SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
HE WAS GOING ON AND HE WAS THE, HE WAS ONE OF THE GUYS THAT WAS CRITICIZING ANYTHING ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT DID TILL HE WENT THROUGH THAT TRAINING.
AND HE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THESE OFFICERS HAVE THAT TO DO.
AND IT CHANGED HIS TONE UP UNTIL HE QUIT HAVING MONEY COMING IN BECAUSE HE WASN'T SPEAKING FOR THE PEOPLE.
SO HE WENT BACK TO LIKE, HE WAS, SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THESE GUYS PARTICIPATE IN SOMETHING THAT THESE POLICE OFFICERS TOO.
SO THEY HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHAT THESE POLICE OFFICERS ARE HAVING TO GO THROUGH EVERY DAY.
AND THEY ALSO NEED TO UNDERSTAND AND GO THROUGH THE, THAT JAILHOUSE.
AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THEM GOING INTO THE HOUSTON JAILHOUSE BECAUSE THESE GUYS ARE NOT DEALING EVERY DAY WITH PEOPLE THAT'S GONNA RENEW THEIR MEMBERSHIP TO THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
THESE GUYS ARE DEALING WITH THE WORST ELEMENTS OUT THERE AND THEY'RE BLENDING IN AND DEALING WITH US.
DID YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN YOUR OTHER STICKY REALLY QUICK? WHEN EVERYBODY'S READY? YEAH, SURE.
THE LAST ONE I HAVE IS, YOU CAN'T GO ON TO THIS COMMITTEE WITH A BAND DATA OR BIAS.
WELL, HOW DO YOU PROVE THAT THOUGH? YOU HAVE TO DEPEND ON THAT IN INDIVIDUAL.
BUT I CAN LOOK AT, I CAN LOOK AT THIS LIST WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AND WE GOT IT.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEY, THEY JUST DON'T GIVE YOU A POINT RATE.
I MEAN, YOU THAT YOUR DISCRETION, I'M GONNA SAY IT.
WE SIT UP THERE, WE, AND WE SAY THAT ABOUT THIS COMMITTEE, BUT CAL, WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT OTHER COMMITTEES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE ACTUALLY, IT SEEMS AS IF THEY'RE SERVING WITH A BAND DATA AGAINST US.
I THINK SERIOUSLY, I THINK MOST OF THOSE OTHER COMMITTEES HAS AN YEAH, BUT THEY GOTTA, I'M SORRY.
SO, SO I HAVE A PROBLEM PROBABLY GONNA BE ON THE ISLAND HERE WITH THIS POLICY PROCEDURE, RECOMMENDATIONS AND ALL THIS STUFF.
THAT'S LIKE ME DECIDING TO GET ON SOME PLANT PROJECT AND GOING OUT TO BOB'S PLANT AND SAY, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
THAT PIPE NEEDS TO BE RUNNING OVER THERE.
Y'ALL NEED TO QUIT FLOWING THAT DOWN BECAUSE THAT DOES THIS.
THERE AIN'T A PERSON YOU'RE GONNA PUT ON THAT COMMITTEE BECAUSE WALK CHOOSE OF AN OFFICER THAT'S GONNA KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE, GO TO THE PROCEDURES, WHAT IT TOOK, THE TRAINING, ALL THE LEGAL, ALL THE THINGS HE WENT THROUGH,
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AND NOW THEY'RE GONNA RECOMMEND POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND ALL THESE OTHER TYPE THINGS.NO, THIS GROUP FINISH, THIS GROUP NEEDS TO BE RECOMMENDING THINGS ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS, ISSUES BETWEEN THE POLICE FORCE AND THE CITIZENS AND THAT TYPE OF ENGAGEMENT TYPE STUFF.
NOT TELLING THESE OFFICERS HOW TO DO THE JOB.
THAT'S RISK IN THE POLICE CHIEF'S JOB AND, AND THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS TO DO THAT ON HOW THEY DO THAT.
SO I DISAGREE WITH THEM MAKING POLICY PROCEDURAL RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
I DON'T THINK DANIEL ONE OF 'EM QUALIFIED TO DO THAT.
THE ONE GENTLEMAN THAT DIDN'T DO THAT ON THIS COMMITTEE, HE DID A REALLY, REALLY GOOD JOB, THOROUGH JOB.
I'M NOT GONNA SAY HE, HE MAY BEEN A POLICE OFFICER.
MAINLY WHAT HE WAS LOOKING FOR, UH, COUNCILMAN WAS HIS, WAS THERE GAPS IN, IN POLICIES OR PROCEDURES THAT DIDN'T EXIST, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT CAME TO MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AND THAT, BUT HE WAS LOOKING FOR GAPS.
NOW, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR DEPARTMENT, THEY'RE UH, THEY'RE CERTIFIED BY THE POLICE CHIEFS STATE ASSOCIATION AND SO ON, RIGHT? SO, SO YOU HAVE A CERTIFIED BASICALLY SYSTEM OF POLICIES AND PROCEDURES BY OBVIOUSLY LAW ENFORCEMENT, RIGHT? SO, SO A LOT OF THAT'S ALSO DONE.
BUT THIS COMMITTEE COULD STILL LOOK FOR WHEN THERE'S GAPS OR POLICIES DON'T EXIST.
WELL, WELL, I GOT THAT, BUT HERE'S WHAT YOU'RE SETTING YOURSELF UP HERE.
YOU GOT THAT GROUP OUT THERE, NINE PEOPLE THAT'S GONNA BRING THESE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL PD, THAT'S GONNA REPEAT IT TO PD INTO COUNCIL.
IT'S GONNA END UP ON OUR PLATE AND IN THE NEWSPAPER AND ALL THIS STUFF.
WHEN WE GOTTA GO OUT THERE NOW AND NOW WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE OF THIS AND NOW, AND ALL THESE, THEY COULD BE OUTLANDISH AND CRAZY.
THEY COULD BE DEFUND, IT COULD BE ANYTHING.
AND NOW YOU GOTTA GO OUT THERE AND STOP IT.
YOU'RE THE ONE NOW THAT LET THE CITIZENS TICKETS.
NOW I WAS GONNA, WE'RE PLAYING THE ZONING.
THEY BRING US RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE HAVE OTHER COMMITTEES THAT BRING US RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND I CAN TELL YOU WHAT WE GOT PEOPLE ON.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT GOING, THIS IS GONNA BE IN THE PUBLIC EYE PLAY BIG TIME.
AND BUT EVERYTHING WE DO IS IN THE PUBLIC EYE.
WE LIKE THIS WILL BE, OH, WE, THE TANK PLAN AND ZONING THE TANK FARM FOR SURE.
WE WERE GIVEN RECOMMENDATIONS ON IT BASED OFF OF WHAT THE CITIZENS WANTED BECAUSE THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR SAFETY.
NOW, WHEN IT GOES TO PLANTS, PLANTS ACTUALLY HAVE CITIZEN DRIVEN COMMITTEES THAT WILL SIT DOWN WITH, UM, STAFF AT PLANTS AND GO THROUGH DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND THINGS THAT THEY'RE GOING, THAT THEY'RE DOING, AND GET RECOMMENDATIONS OR INPUT FROM THE CITIZENS ON WHAT WOULD MAKE THEM FEEL SAFE OR MAKE THEM FEEL BETTER.
NOW THE, THE KEY WORD OF WHAT THEY SAID IN, IN THEIR, UM, IN THEIR STATEMENT WAS RECOMMENDATION.
THEY CAN RECOMMEND ALL THEY WANT, BUT LIKE YOU SAID, I'LL BE COMFORTABLE WITH VOTING SOME THINGS DOWN.
WE ARE IN THE POSITION THAT WE ARE IN NOW.
NOT BE BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE, THEY STILL FEEL AS IF THEY DON'T HAVE A VOICE.
AND WE ARE REPRESENTING THEM ON COUNCIL.
AND WE GOT PEOPLE WHO FEEL AS IF, WHEN IT COMES TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY DO NOT HAVE A VOICE.
THIS IS THEIR VOICE IS SUPPOSED TO BE, IF WE WERE DOING A BETTER JOB, IN MY OPINION, INCLUDING ME, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANOTHER COMMITTEE WANTING TO COME UP BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY DON'T HAVE A VOICE.
THIS IS BECAUSE THEY DON'T, THEY FEEL AS IF THEY'RE NOT BEING HEARD.
THAT'S WHERE THE UNDERLYING CONDITION OF THIS COMES FROM.
AND THAT'S THE PART THAT I'M SAYING THAT'S THEIR, THAT'S THEIR, THEIR PURPOSE IS TO BE HEARD, NOT TO CHANGE.
WE WANT TO CHANGE YOUR POLICY IN YOUR TRAINING PRACTICE OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
THEY CAN ANIMAL CONTROL A CAN OF WORMS ON THAT.
SO YES, I THINK WHAT, WHAT MOSTLY ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT WHAT THEY DO, THEY RECOMMEND POLICY CHANGES OR WHATEVER RULES AND ALL THAT, BUT IT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN ACT UPON IT AND YOU CAN NOT, WELL, WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT.
'CAUSE I'VE ALREADY GOT NOTES FROM TWO OF THESE MEMBERS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW SAYING THAT THEY HAVE OVERSIGHT TO EVERYTHING THE PD DOES, AND THEY WANT TO KNOW WHY THESE THINGS AREN'T TAKEN CARE OF ALREADY ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO THEY, THERE NEEDS TO BE AN UNDERSTANDING.
IT'S NOT OVERSIGHT, IT'S RECOMMENDATION, IT'S ADVISORY.
I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE WORD RECOMMENDATION IS EXACTLY THAT.
AND NOW IT CAN BE, I'M ASSUMING THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE POLICE CHIEF AND HE COULD ACT UPON IT OR NOT.
BECAUSE THE POLICY, WE DON'T DICTATE POLICIES AND THE PD, THE POLICE, NO, TONY GRAY SITS WITH THE ANIMAL ADVISORY.
SCOTT JOHNSON SITS WITH THE PARK BOARD, THEY WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE DEPARTMENT.
NOW, I GUESS IF THERE WAS SOME KIND OF CONTENTION, THEY COULD COME TO US AND SAY, HEY, I DON'T FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, TONY GRAY'S LISTENING TO ME, BUT I, I MEAN, HOW MANY TIMES THAT HAPPENED? IT, THERE'S A WHITE POODLE THAT'S MARKED FOR DEATH ON SATURDAY.
SO LET'S GET, WE WERE ON QUALIFICATION.
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SO QUALIFICATIONAND SO THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE PROCESS OF APPOINTING THEM.
YEAH, WE ALREADY HAD A LITTLE BLEED OVER ON HERE WHERE WE SAID, UH, APPLICATIONS YOU, I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S FINE.
BUT, UH, I'LL GIVE YOU SOME IDEAS.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO FORM A, A SUBGROUP OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO REVIEW APPLICATIONS AS THEY COME IN? WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO GO GRAB YOUR OWN, YOUR, YOU KNOW, GO GET YOUR OWN PERSON AND SUBMIT THAT TO ME FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION.
UH, WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF APPOINTMENT? I'LL GO FIRST.
WELL, STICKIES, I'LL GO FIRST.
UH, AND I, ALRIGHT, I CAN ALREADY GO UP THERE.
SOUNDS, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT Y'ALL WOULD WANT.
WHATEVER, WHATEVER KAREN SAYS THE NORMAL PROCESS IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OR COMMITTEE, WHATEVER IT IS, THAT'S PROCESS.
WHATEVER WE DO NOW, KNOW WHAT, IT'S THE HODKINS, WHAT YOU SOMEWHAT DOES THE APPLICATION, THE HODKINS METHOD, AND JUST PUT A CHECK MARK UP THERE WITH WHATEVER NORMAL.
MR. ANSEL, YOU, YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE TAKE APPLICATION? NO, I THINK WE GOT IT.
I THINK WE'RE NORMALLY DOING NOW.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS ONE? IT LOOKS LIKE Y'ALL WANT STANDARD PROCESS.
SO WE WILL, WE WILL BRING BACK SOMETHING TO YOU.
OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO TAKE ALL THAT YOU'VE EXPRESSED IN AS MUCH AS WE CAN OKAY.
AND PUT THAT INTO DOCUMENT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
UH, WE PROBABLY, UH, I I THINK IT'D BE WISE TO HAVE ANOTHER CHAT ABOUT IT.
AND NOT JUST PUT IT ON AN AGENDA, RIGHT? SO LET'S HAVE A CHAPTER BEFORE AND THEN WHEN WE FEEL LIKE WE MOSTLY GOT IT THERE AND UNDERSTAND YOU GUYS, UH, THERE ARE GONNA BE THINGS THAT YOU GO, DANG, I WISH I HAD THAT, OR I WISH I HAD THAT.
BUT THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY THE COMPOSITION OF SEVEN MINDS TOGETHER.
SO IT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY EVERYBODY WILL FIND A LITTLE SOMETHING UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT, BUT IT WILL BE AS CLOSE AS I CAN.
IF Y'ALL HURRY WITH THIS, WE CAN HAVE IT IN TOMORROW'S MEETING.
THE ONE THAT I HAVE ON MY CALENDAR.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE ON YOUR CALENDAR TOMORROW? YEAH, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO MEET TOMORROW.
GOOD LUCK WITH THAT COMMITTEE.
SO NO, BECAUSE MY WIFE AND NOW IS THE ANNIVERSARY.
OH, WELL HAPPY ANNIVERSARY TO YOU.
I DIDN'T SAY HOW IT, THIS ISN'T THE HEAT INDEX.
I WAS JUST, I WAS JUST IN THE, I HAD A BEER OUT AND I HAD MY BEER OPENER WITH ME AND THE PHONE RANG AND I PICKED IT UP.
SO IF WE DO COME UP OR SOMETHING OR WHATEVER, WE CAN EMAIL THOSE TO YOU, RIGHT? IF WE THINK OF SOMETHING AND IT'S LIKE, OH, I SHOULD HAVE PUT THAT ON THERE.
BUT, UH, KEEP IN MIND THAT WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY BE PRETTY HEAVY INTO THIS BY MONDAY AND, AND TUESDAY.
SO WE'RE GONNA WORK AS HARD AS WE CAN TO GET THIS PUT TOGETHER AS FAST AS WE CAN.
DO YOU THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO READ ALL THE LETTERS FOR THESE ONE? MAYBE WE, WE'LL SAVE THESE AS WELL.
TRY AND NOT DROP AS MANY STICK.
WE MIGHT DROP SOME STICKIES, BUT GOOD QUESTION.
WHO HAS NOT EVER PARTICIPATED IN THAT TRAINING? RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE THE FACTS.
SO THAT'S THREE THAT WHERE YOU GONNA SHOOT? YEAH, BRING YOUR OWN GUN LONG.
SO I'M TRYING TO SEE IF, IF YOU ALREADY, IF YOU ALREADY DONE IT, GREAT.
I WOULD STILL SAY SUGGEST TO DO IT AGAIN, BUT AT LEAST FOR THE THREE THAT HAVE IT, IF THERE'S SLOTS AVAILABLE, THEY SAID THAT THERE'S NOT, BUT THEY'RE WORKING ON SAYING SOMETHING UP.
SO, BUT I, WE'LL, SO THANK YOU EVERYBODY.
THE NEXT TOPIC, I'M GONNA TURN OVER TO LETTY AND I AM DONE.
YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO TALK ANYMORE.
CAN WE TAKE BREAK? LEMME KNOW.
UM, DO WE BOSS DO WE ADJOURN? CAN WE, CAN WE RECESS? YEAH.
OKAY, SO COUNCIL IS IN RECESS.
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OKAY, RECESS.WHERE ARE WE AT NOW? ONE B I'M GET SOME WATER.
SO, UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE DID THE, IS THIS BACK HOME? YES, SIR.
I LOOKING FOR THE DISCUSSION THAT THE BOARDS AND COMMITTEES, INCLUDING THEIR PURPOSES, COMPOSITION APPOINTMENTS.
AND, AND REALLY THIS CAME FROM A WORK SESSION WHERE COUNCIL MEMBER BENFORD CAME TO SPEAK ABOUT APPOINTMENTS.
WE DID SOME KIND OF BACKGROUND WORK TO GET HER THE INFORMATION SHE REQUESTED.
AND THEN WE HAD COUNCIL MEMBER ADO WHO REACHED OUT TO ADMINISTRATION AND WANTED US TO DO SOME WORK ABOUT REALLY FACILITATING WHAT THE BOARDS DO.
UM, AND SO A LEGAL AND CITY COURT'S OFFICE WORKS TOGETHER TO CREATE THAT CHART.
WE'VE UPDATED ALL THE INFORMATION, WE PUT THAT ON OUR WEBSITE.
SO REALLY WE GIVE YOU ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE REQUESTED.
I'M HERE TO RECEIVE WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU WANT TO LET ME KNOW BECAUSE I KIND OF INITIATED IT.
Y'ALL MIND IF I START WITH KIND OF WHERE I'M COMING FROM ON THIS? SO I HOPE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT LIKE ALL THE APPOINTMENTS, UM, THAT ARE ON EVERY SINGLE COMMITTEE WE HAVE.
UM, I ASKED, UH, LETTING TO HIGHLIGHT IN RED IF, UH, ONE PERSON IS SERVING ON MULTIPLE COMMITTEES SIMULTANEOUSLY AND THEN I JUST MADE A MENTAL NOTE, UH, NEXT TO THEIR ORIGINAL, UH, APPOINTMENT DATE IF THEY SERVED OVER A DECADE ON THE SAME COMMITTEE.
AND WHERE I'M COMING FROM IS, I GUESS I'VE, UH, I'VE ONLY HAD TO MAKE A COUPLE OF APPOINTMENTS BEING A NEW COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE THAT A LOT OF IT, YOU KNOW, UH, STAY OVER FROM.
WHAT IS THAT? A LOT OF IT'S STAY OVER FROM TERRY ZANE'S TIME.
UM, BUT I GUESS LIKE IT'S REALLY COME, I, I'M MORE AWARE OF IT WITH SOME OF THE RECENT, UH, THINGS WE'VE GONE THROUGH WITH THE, THE EAC.
AND THEN P AND Z HAS DONE A LOT OF THINGS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT I GUESS WE HAVEN'T REALLY AGREED WITH.
AND SO IT'S MADE ME MORE CONSCIOUS OF THE MAKEUP OF THESE COMMITTEES AND WHETHER THERE'S THOUGHTFUL THIS AROUND, UH, THE APPOINTMENTS, WHO'S ON IT, HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN THERE, IS THERE REALLY A LOT OF DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT OR A GOOD CROSS SECTION OF OUR COMMUNITY? AND SO I WANTED TO DISCUSS WITH Y'ALL THE POSSIBILITY OF ADOPTING SOME INTERNAL POLICIES FOR OUR COMMITTEES.
THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, LIMITING HOW MANY COMMITTEES ONE PERSON CAN SERVE ON SIMULTANEOUSLY.
AND UM, ALSO, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF TERM LIMITS.
I FEEL LIKE, UH, A DECADE, A DECADE OF ONE PERSON'S INPUT IS, IS A LOT AND VALUABLE AND, AND GOOD.
AND AFTER THAT, UH, MAYBE IT'S TIME TO JUST GIVE SOMEBODY ELSE IN THE COMMUNITY TIME TO, UH, SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE AND GIVE THEIR OPINION.
I KNOW THAT, UH, THESE COMMITTEES AREN'T SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ARE JUMPING THROUGH HOOPS TO GET ON.
UM, BUT I THINK I HAVE WHAT, LIKE 15,000 PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT.
I, I THINK I CAN FIND, YOU KNOW, UH, SOME, SOME FRESH BLOOD EVERY NOW AND THEN TO, UM, FILL THOSE SEATS WITH JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT.
UM, ONE EXAMPLE IS WHEN ALL THOSE FOLKS CAME TO TALK TO US AT CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THE CEAC AND THERE WERE SO MANY THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN THEIR FACES BEFORE, WHO WERE LIKE, HOW DO WE GET MORE INVOLVED? HOW DO WE GET ON THESE COMMITTEES? WHAT DO WE DO? I'VE NEVER HEARD ABOUT 'EM.
AND SO I THINK THERE WERE PEOPLE OUT THERE WITH JUST SOME EFFORT IF WE REACH THEM, UM, WE COULD, UH, YOU KNOW, GET JUST DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS, DIFFERENT PEOPLE, DIFFERENT OPINIONS.
NOT THAT I'M SAYING THE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T THERE AREN'T VALUABLE, BUT MAYBE IF YOU'RE ON FIVE COMMITTEES, I MEAN, WHAT INPUT DO WE NEED FROM THE SAME PERSON, RIGHT? LIKE LET'S GET SOME DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT, UM, IN A CROSS SECTION OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU'VE BEEN ON THERE A DECADE, I MEAN TIME TO MAYBE GIVE SOMEONE ELSE A SHOT.
MAYOR, I HAD A MR. CHAMBERS ON THE P AND Z.
IF YOU WANTED TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT DOCUMENT, THAT WAS THE GUY TO CALL.
THERE'S NO WAY I WOULD EVER SAY TERM LIMIT HIM OUT OTHER THAN HIS HEALTH ISSUES.
THAT GUY KNEW HIS BUSINESS AND HE LIKED DOING THAT.
SO I WOULD NEVER AGREE TO A TERM LIMIT.
IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO SERVE FOR FREE AND COME UP THERE AND MAKE A SPECIAL EFFORT TO DO THIS, I SAY KEEP THEM ON THERE AS LONG AS HE'S DOING A GOOD JOB.
THE OTHER THING I LOOKED AT ON ALL THESE APPOINTMENTS
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IS MOST OF THEM CAME IN BUT BEFORE ME.AND SO BEFORE THE TERM WAS UP, IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER APPOINTMENT.
I CALL AND TALK TO THOSE PEOPLE.
UH, I TALKED TO CHRIS'S MOTHER ABOUT SOME OF THE APPOINTMENTS SHE'S GOT AND SHE'S MY APPOINTMENT.
AND I'VE TALKED WITH OTHERS ABOUT WHAT THEY WANNA DO.
SOME OF 'EM SAID, I DON'T WANNA DO IT ANYMORE.
AND ALSO I LOOK AT HOW MANY TIMES DO THEY SHOW UP? DO THEY SHOW UP 20% OF THE TIME? IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN IT'S MY PREROGATIVE.
YOU'RE OUT THERE AND WE GET TO MAKE THAT CHOICE.
SO IF THERE'S SOMEBODY YOU YOU'VE HAD THAT'S BEEN THERE 10 YEARS THAT YOU WANT ON THERE ANYMORE, TELL 'EM THIS IS YOUR LAST ONE.
I'M GONNA PUT SOMEBODY ELSE ON THERE.
BUT I, I WOULD NEVER AGREE TO TERM LIMIT KRISTEN THEN KRISTEN, WHAT? UH, SO I AGREE WITH ONE AND ONE ON THIS.
SO
MAKE SURE I CONFUS THAT ONE THING YOU SAID AND ONE THING YOU SAID, ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA MAKE IT ON YOU.
SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY TALKING TO THE GUY THAT RAN AGAINST THE 16 YEAR INCUMBENT.
AND YOU KNOW, NOT TO GET TOO POLITICAL, BUT MY CAMPAIGN SLOGAN WAS NEW VOICE.
I I THE NUMBER, I DON'T THINK ONE PERSON SHOULD SERVE ON SIX COMMITTEES.
I DON'T THINK ONE PERSON SHOULD SERVE ON THREE COMMITTEES.
THEY SHOULD RUN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE IF, IF THEY WANT TO SERVE ON THAT COMMITTEE, COMMITTEES THAT HAVE THAT MUCH OF A VOICE IN LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
I ABSOLUTELY, HONESTLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE NO MORE THAN ONE COMMITTEE.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT.
AND THAT'S A GOOD COMMENT BECAUSE I, I MEAN, I AGREE WITH WHAT BOB SAID.
SO LET ME FINISH SO I KNOW, BUT LET AGREE WITH, NOT AGREE WITH YOU, AGREE WITH.
SO, BUT I DO AGREE I DON'T AGREE WITH THE TERM LIMITS BECAUSE HONESTLY IT TAKES TWO YEARS TO LEARN WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
BUT HOW CAN A COUNCIL, THAT'S NOT TERM LIMITED.
I'M TERM LIMITS FOR THE RECORD.
I'M TOO, ACTUALLY FOR THE RECORD.
I, I FOR THE RECORD, I'M THE TERM LIMITS ALSO.
AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT I RAN ON.
AND, UH, WELL OF COURSE YOU JUST SAID YOU RAN AGAINST 16 YEARS SOMETHING.
SO, BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN MANDATE TERM LIMITS, HEATHER, ON THE COMMITTEES UNTIL WE ACTUALLY OPPOSE 'EM UPON OURSELVES.
I JUST THINK THAT'S A BAD LOOK.
AND UH, AND I AGREE THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE WHEN THEY'RE THERE.
HOWEVER, AND, AND I KNOW GIL CHAMBERS AND WHEN MY DAD AND I DID THIS LITTLE SUBDIVISION BEHIND OFFICE MAX, WE DUG A DETENTION POND.
AND GIL CHAMBERS WAS DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT DETENTION POND WITH HIS CAMERA WHILE HE WAS ON P AND Z.
AND I CAME UP AND TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT THE TIME, ABOUT THE COMMITTEE MEMBER BEING AT THE BOTTOM OF OUR DETENTION POND WITH A CAMERA.
I KNOW WHY, YOU KNOW, HE WAS A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE HIS RAILS THERE.
SO THERE'S PROS AND CONS ABOUT THESE GUYS, WOMEN, MEN OR WOMEN BEING ON THE COMMITTEE FOR SO LONG.
BUT, UH, FOR THE MOST PART, IF THEY'RE ON IT FOR A LONG TIME, THEY, THEY'RE PASSIONATE.
THEY'RE VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE AND THEY'VE BEEN THERE LONG ENOUGH TO WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD JUDGE OF FAIRNESS.
SO I, I'M REALLY, UH, I'D BE, I'M REALLY NOT IN FAVOR TERM LIMITS THIS.
AND UH, AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT ON THE COMMITTEES.
LOOK, WHAT I TRIED TO DO WHEN I WAS FIRST ELECTED, I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OF MY PREDECESSORS APPOINTMENT THAT I REAPPOINTED.
I WENT OUT AND I TRIED TO, AND I PUT A LOT OF NEW FACES IN ON THOSE COMMITTEES ON THE DISTRICT TWO APPOINTMENTS.
I MEAN, I MADE A, I WENT OUT OF MY WAY TO TRY TO FIND PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT THAT HAVE NEVER SERVED ON A COMMITTEE BEFORE.
AND I FOUND A FEW OF THEM, LIKE BOBBY DIAZ ON C-D-B-C-D-A-C REALLY GOOD.
AND, AND MR. CARR ON THE CCPD AND, AND PEOPLE LIKE THAT.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY'RE JUST, IT'S LIKE THESE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, MAN, THEY'RE JUST ELATED TO, TO BE INVOLVED AND, AND THE MORE POSITIONS WILL OPEN UP IF WE DO LIMIT SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE ON SIX DIFFERENT, FOUR DIFFERENT COMMITTEES AND WE CAN GET MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED.
SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
I'M, I'M IMPRESSED YOU CAME UP WITH, YOU'RE A WOMAN YOU CAN'T COME UP WITH, SO ANYBODY NO, I'M IMPRESSED THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE COURAGE TO SAY IT BECAUSE THERE'S A FEW FOLKS ON HERE THAT, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE IMPRESSIVE THING ACTUALLY.
SO, UM, FIRST OF ALL, I, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE, THE TERM LIMITS JUST REALLY FROM WHAT, UM, CHRIS HAS SAID.
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AND, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT.I KNOW CHARLES AND I HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE PEOPLE ON THE BOARDS AND HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN ON THERE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE DO HAVE TO RECOGNIZE SOME OF THE TALENT.
SOME OF THESE REQUIRES SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHATEVER THE BOARD IS, UM, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.
AND THERE WAS ONE, I THINK WE WERE LOOKING FOR PLUMBERS AND THAT WE NEVER SAW.
THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE TRAITS.
SO THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE TRAITS AND, AND WE EVEN HAVE A HARD TIME LOOKING FOR.
AND I THINK, UM, I, I LIKE WHAT CHRIS SAID THAT SOME OF THESE SHOULD EVEN RUN FOR COUNCIL.
IT WAS ACTUALLY A PRODUCT OF A BOARD
I I WAS ON CABG BEFORE I CAME ON COUNCIL.
AND SO, UM, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, HONESTLY, WITH ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT BOARDS, BECAUSE THERE'S EVEN SOME WHERE I DID CHANGE, LIKE BOB SAID, I, I, WHEN I CAME ON BOARD, I TOOK A LOOK AT MY BOARDS.
I ASKED LESLIE FOR A LIST OF ALL MY, MY BOARD AND COMMISSION WHO WAS COMING UP, WHO IS EXPIRING.
AND THEN I WENT THROUGH AND IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'D REALLY LIKE TO HAVE A, A FRESH, FRESH VOICE ON THIS BOARD.
AND SO I DID REPLACE 'EM FROM, FROM MY APPOINTMENT.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO AS COUNSEL.
AND SO THAT PERSON MAY RUN AGAIN, THEY MAY NOT.
AND IF SO, WE ALWAYS NEED TO HAVE THAT BACKUP.
AND SO I'M GLAD THAT LET HAS NOW STARTED TO PROVIDE US A FOLDER WITH ALL OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WHO'S ON THERE WHEN THEY EXPIRE.
BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE'RE ASKING RIGHT BEFORE, YOU KNOW, AND SO IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE IT.
BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, I WANT TO TAKE IT EVEN A STEP FURTHER.
AND I KNOW LET, AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY DOING SURVEYS FOR EACH OF THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT SERVE ON THESE COMMITTEES.
YOU KNOW, IS IT WHAT YOU EXPECTED? DO YOU LIKE IT? WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE? WHAT CAN BE CHANGED? BECAUSE I THINK IT SERVES US ALSO IN KNOWING THAT WHERE, WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THIS COMMITTEE.
SO YOU WANT LET'S OFFICE TO SURVEY BOARD COMMITTEE? NO, WE TALKED ABOUT DOING LIKE A SURVEY OF HOW THE BOARD IS WORKING FOR THEM.
IS THIS WHAT YOU EXPECTED? YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE DO DIFFERENTLY? ET CETERA.
JUST LIKE MAYBE ONE OR TWO QUESTIONS ON IT.
I'M NOT SAYING I I I'M BORED AGAINST IT.
BUT WHY, WHY WON'T YOU DO THAT WITH YOUR APPOINTMENTS? THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO.
NO, I DO THAT WITH MY APPOINTMENTS.
'CAUSE I TALKED TO ONE OF THEM LIKE, WELL WHY ARE YOU LEAVING? AND THEN SHE WOULD TELL ME, I GOT THE DIFFERENCE OF THAT.
WELL I THINK IF I DO IT, IF WE DO IT ACROSS THE BOARD, IT GIVES US A BETTER SENSE OF HOW THOSE COMMITTEES ARE WORKING.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE A CHECKPOINT PER, SO THEY SCORECARD OWN COMMITTEE.
THE SCORECARD FOR EACH OF THE COMMITTEES, WE CAN DO THAT BY AN EMAIL AND YOU KNOW, AND IF IT'S AN EMAIL, THAT'S FINE.
BUT AS LONG AS WE'RE DOING THAT AND MAKING SURE THAT WHAT THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE DOING IS REALLY WHAT THEY EXPECTED, THAT THEY NOT GET ANYTHING OUT OF IT.
IF NOT, WE NEED TO ROTATE THEM OUT.
YOU KNOW? WELL THEY PROBABLY WON'T HAVE TO BE REAPPOINTED THOUGH.
MOST OF THE TIME THEY DON'T LIKE IT.
WELL, BUT ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT, UM, I FEEL NEEDS TO HAPPEN, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED WHEN, UM, PEOPLE WERE SAYING, WELL I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS COMMITTEE, ET CETERA.
AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING FOR A WHILE ABOUT POSSIBLY DOING SOME SORT OF OUTREACH, SOME SORT OF LIKE COMMUNITY FORUM OR TRAINING PER SE.
THAT HEY, WE HAVE THESE COMMITTEES AVAILABLE.
COME LEARN ABOUT THEM, YOU KNOW, AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER OR WHEREVER IT IS.
WE'RE GONNA TALK TODAY ABOUT OUR CEAC COMMITTEE.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK YOU WANNA BE A PART OF IT, COME ON THIS DATE AND TIME.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD HELP IN GETTING A BANK OF APPLICATIONS WHEN WE'RE SOMETIMES SCRAMBLING TO FIND A PERSON TO FILL THE COMMITTEE.
WOULD YOU BE FOUR OR AGAINST LIMITING HOW MANY COMMITTEES ONE PERSON WOULD SERVE ON? I THINK I WOULD PROBABLY LIMIT, BUT AT THREE THREE, DEPENDING ON THE KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE, THEY MAY BE ONE.
SO ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE BASED ON KIND OF THE FEEDBACK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO KNOW IF THEY'RE SERVING ON ANOTHER COMMITTEES, WE ADDED THAT TO THE BOARD AND COMMISSION APPLICATION.
UH, DO YOU SERVE ON, DO YOU CURRENTLY SERVE ON, UH, CITY BOARD, COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE? IF IF YES, PLEASE LIST THOSE THAT YOU, UM, CURRENTLY SERVE ON BECAUSE, UM, IT IS A VALID POINT THAT YOU, YOU MIGHT WANT TO KNOW, HEY, ARE YOU ALREADY SERVING ON A BOARD? DO WE WANT TO REAPPOINT, DO WE WANT TO APPOINT YOU TO SOMETHING ELSE? WELL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING THAT A STEP FURTHER LATER.
TALK ABOUT MAKING THAT CRITERIA WHERE THEY SAW THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE INELIGIBLE.
THEY'RE YEAH, THEY'RE INELIGIBLE.
I STILL WANT TO HEAR WHAT DAVE, CHARLES AND BRANDON ABSOLUTELY.
I I THINK THAT THE TERM LIMIT THING IS, IS ACTUALLY ALREADY THERE.
WE NEED TO GET MORE SERIOUS ABOUT THE APPOINTMENTS.
AND, AND IF YOU COULD IN THAT PACKET, PUT THE ORIGINAL DATE, IF YOU'RE
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NOT THE ORIGINAL DATE IS VERY IMPORTANT ON THAT THING.AND THEN WE ARE THE TERM LIMIT POLICE AS YOU MAKE YOUR APPOINTMENTS.
I DO AGREE WITH THE ONE APPOINTMENT.
I THINK ONE BOARD'S ENOUGH AND THAT GIVES OTHER CITIZENS A CHANCE TO SERVE.
UM, I'M FOR THE TERM LIMITS AND I'M GONNA SAY THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN SERVING THAT LONG.
A DECADE SOUNDS A LOT LONGER THAN 10 YEARS.
DOESN'T IT BEEN SERVING A DECADE? UM, BOB, HOW LONG, HOW MANY TERMS HAVE YOU DONE ON COUNCIL? IT'LL BE MY END OF MY THIRD.
YOUR THIRD, THAT'S NINE YEARS.
SO THAT MEANS IF SOMEBODY'S BEEN ON THAT 10 YEARS, THERE WAS SOMEBODY THAT WAS LEFT OVER FROM THE LAST ONE.
UM, AND IF WHOEVER WINS YOUR POSITION COMES IN AND THEY REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT SELECTING SOMEONE ELSE AND THIS PERSON IS HOLDING OVER AND WE GIVE A SURVEY.
YOU GIVE A SURVEY AND THAT SURVEY FROM EVERYONE ELSE ON THAT BOARD SAYS, WE HAVE AN ISSUE AND IT'S THIS ONE PERSON AND THAT COUNCIL PERSON DOESN'T WANT TO GET 'EM OFF OR WE RUNNING, WE'RE RUNNING THE RISK AT THAT POINT OF LOSING OUR PIGS BECAUSE THEY DECIDE THEY DON'T WANT TO BE ON THAT BOARD OR COMMITTEE ANYMORE.
WHY? BECAUSE OF THAT NEGATIVE NANCY UP THERE.
THAT'S WHY I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF TERM LIMITS.
'CAUSE I THINK THE SURVEY WOULD WORK.
HONESTLY, WE DON'T HAVE TERM LIMITS BECAUSE I WOULD TURN LIMITS WHAT BEING VOTED OUT.
IF YOU DON'T DO WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, THOSE PEOPLE WHO CAST BALLOTS VOTE US OUT TERM LIMITS EVERY ELECTION.
THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE, UM, WHAT, WHAT GOES ON WITH PEOPLE WHO SERVE ON THESE, UM, COMMITTEES OR THESE BOARDS.
THAT'S WHY I'D BE IN FAVOR OF IT.
UM, I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY GO WITH ONE COMMITTEE, UM, A PERSON SERVING ON ONE COMMITTEE.
IF YOU GOT, IF YOU DO HAVE A GOOD PERSON, UM, AND THIS PERSON DOESN'T HAVE MUCH TO DO IN THEIR LIFE, THEY COULD PROBABLY DO TWO.
THINK ABOUT US SITTING ON COUNCIL.
WE SIT ON COUNCIL AND WE ALSO DO FINANCE AND WE DO A AND EMD.
I THINK THREE WOULD BE TOO MUCH FOR SOMEONE WHO'S NOT ELECTED.
UM, TOOK CARE OF THAT, TOOK CARE OF THAT.
AND I DID GIVE MY COMMENTS ON THE SURVEY.
I THINK THE SURVEY'S A VERY GOOD IDEA.
I THINK IT WOULD GIVE SOME INSIGHT TO, IF YOU DID HAVE SOMEONE SERVING ON THERE THAT WAS JUST, YOU DO HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST MEAN AND RUDE TO PEOPLE AND THAT WOULD DISCOURAGE SOME PEOPLE IF WORD GETS OUT.
THAT MAY BE A REASON WHY WE HAVE A HARD TIME FINDING SOMEONE WANTING TO SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE.
WELL, WHAT HAPPENS A LOT OF TIMES, CHARLES, LEAST IN, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN ON SOME COMMITTEES AND HEARD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL KIND OF SELF POLICE ALSO AND YOU KNOW, THESE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, THEY GET ONE VOTE AND YOU KNOW, THEY GET TOO FAR OUTTA LINE OR MAKE TOO MANY ENEMIES.
I MEAN, THEY'RE ALIENATED AND THEIR VOTE'S NOT GONNA LIMIT FOR VERY LONG.
YEAH, I DON'T WHAT ABOUT IF NOT A TERM LIMIT? WHAT ABOUT TERM BREAK? LIKE LET'S SAY YOU'VE DONE IT FOR 10 YEARS AND THEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE A TERM BREAK AND THEN YOU CAN COME BACK.
THAT IS, I'M SORRY, JUST ONE OTHER THING THOUGH.
I'M NOT JUST TO TALKING ABOUT ABSENCES.
WELL, CAN I GONNA BRING THAT UP ALSO? I MENTIONED ONE THING BEFORE WE BACK AROUND.
THIS IS SOMETHING, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WILL GO.
THIS IS, THIS IS A, THIS IS, UM, THIS WILL BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
BUT I I WILL TELL YOU, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
I'LL USE MYSELF AND CHARLES, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO HE'S MY DISTRICT COUNCILMAN, RIGHT? SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU ALL MY PROBLEMS AND SEND THEM TO YOU.
IS THAT OKAY? AND THERE'S, BUT ALSO IF YOU, YOU INHERITED SOME OF MY APPOINTMENTS.
SOME YOU MAY AGREE WITH SOME I INHERITED.
ANY NEW NEWLY ELECTED COUNCIL MEMBER BY COUNCIL POLICY, EVERYBODY, THAT THAT WAS THAT ANY DISTRICT SPECIFIC COUNCIL APPOINTMENT FOR THAT DISTRICT AUTOMATIC EVERYBODY IS THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE OUT, THEY'RE OUT IN A SENSE.
THEY'RE OFF THAT COMMITTEE UNLESS THAT NEW COUNCIL MEMBER IS WILLING TO REAPPOINT OR NOT.
WHAT IT DOES IS IT GIVES THAT PERSON THE OPPORTUNITY, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU CALL YOUR APPOINTMENT, YOU CALL THOSE PEOPLE AND SAY YOU GAUGE YOUR THESIS.
DOES THAT PERSON REFLECT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT YOUR INSIGHT MAY BE FOR THE DISTRICT AT THE TIME? IF SOMEBODY'S BEEN SERVING FOR 10 PLUS YEARS, THAT MAY HAVE BEEN A DIFFERENT COUNCIL.
MAY, THEY MAY HAVE BEEN IN A DIFFERENT CITY OF BAYTOWN AT THE TIME.
SO I WOULD SAY NEW NEWLY ELECTED COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, ANY DISTRICT SPECIFIC COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS TO THESE BOARDS,
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WHATEVER THEY ARE, ALL THOSE PEOPLE ARE AUTOMATICALLY OFF UNTIL THEY REAPPOINTED BY THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBER.IF I NEED, I'M JUST CALLING SOMETHING COMPLICATED.
BECAUSE, UM, MYSELF, THERE WAS PEOPLE THAT I DIDN'T KNOW AT THE TIME.
NOW THEY TURNED OUT TO BE SCHOOL GOOD APPOINTMENTS.
YOU DON'T KNOW 'EM WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW.
SO YOU TIME TO GET KNOW BEFORE YOU KICK THEM OUT.
BUT I'M SAYING, AND SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW, BUT YOU MAY NOT.
I MEAN, YOU MAY, I THINK IT BECOMES, I'M SAYING A LOT OF TIMES YOU JUST INHERIT, I THINK IT BECOMES A LITTLE TOO POLITICAL IN THAT SENSE, BRANDON.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE NON POLITICAL.
SO YOU JUST START WITH, AND HE KICKS ALL OF THE GUY, HE JUST BEATS NESS TO THE CURB.
I MEAN THAT JUST TRYING TO DO THAT.
WE KIND OF DO THAT WHEN WE GET A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER AND WE TRY TO GIVE YOU THE LIST OF YOUR DISTRICT SPECIFIC APPOINTMENTS BECAUSE THEY'RE TWO YEAR TERMS, SO YOU CAN START LOOKING AND, AND TALKING TO THEM.
AND WE DID IT WITH MR. JOHN COLORADO.
AND SO THEY HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
AFTER ALL THIS, YOUR HONOR, I WA I ASKED TO, I WAS ASKED TO COME TO A MEETING WITH THE CITY MANAGER, NOT THIS ONE COMPLAINING ABOUT MY APPOINTMENT THAT I HAD ON ONE OF THESE COMMITTEES.
AND HE PLEADED HIS CASE ABOUT HOW THINGS WERE SLOWED DOWN BECAUSE OF THAT.
SO I SPENT THE NEXT TWO OR THREE MEETINGS OF THIS COMMITTEE.
AND I SAT IN THE VERY BACK AND LISTENED AND WATCHED THIS COMMITTEE.
AND THIS GUY THAT THIS CITY MANAGER WAS WANTING TO ME TO REPLACE UHHUH WAS DOING EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD WANT HIM TO DO AND WHAT I WOULD DO IF I WAS UP THERE ON THAT COMMITTEE.
SO I SAID, HELL NO, I'M NOT REPLACING HIM.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY LIKE THAT AND IN TERM LIMITING AND THEN LIMITING HOW MANY THINGS HE GUYS, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT.
SO, SO I COMMENT, SO HEATHER, BOB AND I ARE ON THE SAME ROTATION, RIGHT? SO THE DAY WE ALL JUMPED IN, WE JUST KICKED OUT HOW MANY COUNCIL, HOW MANY COMMITTEES? I MEAN, COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO KICK I KNOW, BUT POTENTIALLY IN THEIR MINDS AND EVERYTHING YOU KICKED OUT.
HALF OF A COMMITTEE IS POTENTIALLY KICKED TO THE CURB JUST LIKE THAT ON THE SAME DAY.
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THE COMMITTEE? COMMITTEE HAS NO COST TO DO THEY HAVE NO EXPERIENCE.
THEY HAVE NO WHAT? WE ALL DID THREE ON THE SAME A AND E COMMITTEE.
YOU MIGHT'VE BEEN THE CHAIRMAN.
YEAH, I MIGHT'VE BEEN THE CHAIRMAN.
THEY CAN'T EVEN GET UP TO SPEED AGAIN ON ANYTHING.
WELL, I WOULD JUST HOPE THAT WE ALL TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND LADY CAN TELL YOU I'LL HAVE, THEY'LL TELL ME I HAVE AN APPOINTMENT AND I'M NOT JUST PUTTING ANYBODY UP THERE.
I COULD, I WILL LITERALLY GO SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR BECAUSE I, IF I GET AN APPLICATION, GUESS WHAT I'M GOING TO DO? MR. STEEL, UH, ARTHUR STEEL, STILL AUTHOR.
HE HAS THE PERFECT NAME TO WRITE BOOKS.
THEY HANDED ME HIS APPLICATION.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I DID, BOB? I HAD LUNCH WITH HIM AT HIS OFFICE, TALKED TO HIM AND I HAVE RECEIVED SOME COMPLAINTS ABOUT HIM, BUT I ACTUALLY WENT IN AND SAID ON A COUPLE OF THE MEETINGS, AND LIKE YOU, HE WAS DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU WOULD WANT HIM TO DO.
I WOULD WANT HIM TO DO, HE WAS RAISING SOME OF THE SAME QUESTIONS I WOULD RAISE MM-HMM
SO HOPEFULLY WE ALL WOULD TAKE THE TIME TO DO THAT.
UM, BUT GOING BACK TO THE, THE AMOUNT OF COMMITTEES THAT A PERSON SERVES ON THREE IS A WHOLE LOT.
JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, WHAT WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT, IS THAT WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT WE DO.
DON'T MAKE IT AUTOMATICALLY WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO THINK ABOUT ANYTHING.
IT AUTOMATICALLY KICKS PEOPLE OUT.
NO, IT WON'T MAKE IT TOO COMPLICATED.
WE'RE MAKING SOME GOOD APPOINTMENTS AND DOING A LOT OF THINGS ON THESE COMMITTEES.
IF WE SEE THEIR PEOPLE ARE DOING A GOOD JOB.
LIKE THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT'S BEEN THERE 10 YEARS, MIKE WILSON SERVES ON EVERYTHING THAT HE CAN BECAUSE HE'S GOT THAT PERSONALITY AND HE WILL GIVE YOU HIS ALL ON THOSE COMMITTEES.
UH, NOW DOES HE NEED TO BE ON SIX, SEVEN OR EIGHT? NO, PROBABLY NOT.
I I SAY MAYBE WE DO LIMIT THAT TO TWO AND UH, SO THAT'S MY 2 CENTS ON THAT.
BUT WE DO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO FOLLOW UP ON THESE PEOPLE THAT WE APPOINT.
I'LL SAY I, I DIDN'T, I, UM, I THINK YOU WANTED TO HEAR.
I I UNDERSTAND AT LEAST MAYBE WITH A ONE APPOINTMENT, I I'M PROBABLY GONNA DO ONE OR TWO, BUT I THINK MORE THAN TWO THAT THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT.
I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT ONLY GET NEW VOICES AND NEW INPUT IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY SERVING ON FIVE COMMITTEES OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
SO I'LL SAY ONE NO MORE THAN TWO ARE ALL THE COMMITTEES, BUT THREE SOUNDS LIKE A LOT TO ME ARE ALL THE COMMITTEES, TWO TERMS, TWO, TWO YEARS.
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IS THREE YEARS.UM, I THINK ETHICS IS ONE THAT MOST OF THEM OR TWO, IT'S THE OFF PERSON THAT IT'S THE OFF COMMITTEE THAT'S THREE YEARS.
WELL IF LOOKING AT THAT P AND Z, THAT'S A HEAVY WORKLOAD TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
P AND Z IS PROBABLY THE HARDEST WORKING WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE THINGS THAT COME BEFORE THEM.
THE HARDEST WORKING COMMITTEE OUTSIDE OF COUNCIL IN THE CITY.
I WOULD EVEN BE IN FAVOR OF, THEY'RE SERVING ON P AND Z MAY BE JUST ONE COMMITTEE.
WELL, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, MR. CARRUM SERVES ON C AND C AND HE HAS THAT EXPERTISE.
SO HE SERVES UP THE, UH, BOARD OF CONSTRUCTION AND CHILDREN APPEAL, WHICH IS, HE HAS THAT EXPERTISE TOO.
HOW OFTEN DO THEY MEET? THEY MEET THAT HEATED SO, SO RARELY.
SO HE'S REALLY, HE DOESN'T, P AND Z IS HIS WORKLOAD AND IF THE OTHER ONE IS RARELY I CAN SEE THAT HAPPENING.
BUT IF YOU DOING PNZ, YOU'RE DOING PARKS.
DOES IT HAVE TO COME TO A VOTE AT A COUNCIL MEETING OR CAN YOU JUST DO AN KAREN, IS THAT JUST A POLICY CHANGE OR IF WOULD THEY NEED TO AMEND THE CODE? BUT IT MAY TAKE TIME TO CYCLE THROUGH BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, Y'ALL WANT TO KICK PEOPLE OFF STUFF.
HE SOME THAN TWO COMMITTEES AT A TIME THAT WOULD ASSAULT THE RESOLUTION AND ESTABLISHED POLICY.
IS THAT RIGHT? ARE WE FINE WITH TWO OR WE, I I INPUT IS ONE.
I MEAN I'M GOOD WITH ONE, BUT YOU KNOW, I ONE AT THREE BUT I'LL DO TWO.
TWO IS A LOT BETTER THAN THREE, YOU KNOW.
WELL I THINK, WELL THE REASON WHY, I MEAN I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M GOOD WITH ONE.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT I'M LOOKING AT, I'M LOOKING AT SAYING MIKE WILSON'S NAME KEEPS COMING UP AND I KIND, HE'S, IS HE OUR WORST OFFENDER? IF WE CAN USE THAT LANGUAGE.
I THINK, I THINK WE HAVE THREE.
I THINK, UH, BRENDA BRADLEY SMITH, HER ON TWO, THAT SHE'S A HARRIS COUNTY APPOINTMENT TO THE TURF.
UH, SO MIKE WILSON ON OUR LIST HERE IS AT FOUR.
IS THAT THE BEST? WE'VE GOT A LITTLE, I'VE GOT, YEAH.
AND, BUT I LOOK AT UNDERSTANDING THAT TURS AND BRA IS LIKE MDD AND PFC.
BUT MIKE SERVES ON THAT CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT MEETS WHEN, UM, THAT IS THE LAST SET OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE YEAH, THOSE ARE, YEAH.
WE'LL SAY THOSE AREN'T, THOSE AREN'T FORMAL COMMITTEES SO THAT NOT, THAT'S NOT POINT.
THAT KNOCKS IN DOWN TO THREE, YOU KNOW, SO, BUT I WANT, SO ONE THING THAT, THAT, UH, UH, MS. RICH JUST SAID IT, IT, IT IS KEY.
I WOULD SAY WE LIMIT IT TO COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS WOULD BE ONE OR TWO, WHATEVER WE DECIDED.
BECAUSE LIKE MS. SMITH, SO, UH, SHE, I WAS JUST CONTACTED, UH, BY EAR GARCIA AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, HER BACKGROUND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS, IT'S THEIR APPOINTMENT.
AND, AND SO I WOULD, I I WANT, I WANT ONE TO MAKE A POLICY AND THEN YOU HAVE, THEN YOU LIMIT AN OUTSIDE ENTITY, YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE THAT'S, I THINK THAT WAS, THAT'S TURNED.
'CAUSE SOMEBODY, THE COUNTY COMMISSION WANTS TO APPOINT MIKE WILSON PUT SOMETHING.
WHAT IF WE DO, THAT'S THE FIRST WHAT WE'RE COMING UP WITH.
WE'RE WE'RE SAYING YEAH, I'M SAYING THAT WE'RE SAYING THAT PERIOD.
WELL, I'M JUST, I'M JUST GIVING AN EXAMPLE THAT, THAT, THAT THERE'S OTHER, I HAVE TO GIVE WHAT I MEAN, I MEAN, WELL THAT'S FAIR.
BUT WELL, WHAT IF WE DO'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING RID OF HONESTLY, BRANDON, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE, DO EVERYTHING AND RUN FOR ALL.
I THINK SHE'S ON, SHE'S ON, WELL SHE'S FOR BAWA AND SHE'S THE CHAIR FOR, SO BAWA IS APPOINTED BY, IT IS A COUNCIL APPOINTMENT.
SO YOU HAVE BAWA, BUT LIKE FOR, FOR MS. SMITH IS BAWA.
AND HER, AT LEAST THOSE THREE, SHANE, ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO VOLUNTEER ALL THEIR TIME.
IT WAS ON ONE WHERE YOU AT? I KNOW, I KNOW.
I ALMOST SWING IT BACK THE OTHER WAY.
I THINK, I THINK A LOT OF THIS WOULD TAKE CARE OF ITSELF AND OUR APPOINTMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SOME OF THESE THINGS, WHEN YOU REALLY START LOOKING AT HOW MANY, HOW MANY PEOPLE, IF WE MADE THAT A POLICY, A RULE, HOW MANY PEOPLE IS IT FIXING? IF WE USE THE WORD FIXING? IT'S JUST A, JUST A HANDFUL.
BUT HOW LONG HAS THE PROCESS BEEN IN PLACE? HOW MANY YEARS HAS THIS WORKED? I, WHY DO WE NEED A POLICY FOR EVERY TO MICROMANAGE ALL THESE PROCESSES? IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE THAT ARE SERVING ON TWO OR MORE, THEY'RE NOT ASSIGNED BY ONE INDIVIDUAL.
YEAH, THEY'RE, IT IS MORE THAN ONE.
JUST LIKE I GOT SEAN MCDONALD, I, I'VE ASSIGNED HIM TO ONE COMMITTEE, BUT SOMEBODY ELSE HAS APPOINTED HIM TO ANOTHER COMMITTEE.
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I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE WE ACCOMPLISHED A WHOLE LOT.I'M NOT SURE IF WE ACCOMPLISH ALL WELL YOU GUYS CAN ONLY PERMIT IT BECAUSE YOU VOTE ON THEM.
IF, IF YOU, THEN YOU DON'T VOTE ON THEM.
WE, WE COULD BE OUTVOTED ON OUR APPOINTMENT.
WE GET ONE VOTE ON COUNCIL EVEN ON OUR OWN APPOINTMENT.
BE OUTVOTED ON OUR OWN APPOINTMENTS.
WE CAN'T REALLY SELL WITH ALLIGATORS.
IS THAT ONE THAT HAS, HAS THE BIG ALLIGATOR.
IT'S NOT THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT I WOULD TO SOME DIRECTION YOU GUYS WANT.
UM, I YOU WANT A POLICY TO, UM, LIMIT THE NUMBER OF BOARDS THAT ANY ONE PERSON CAN SERVE ON AT ONE TIME TO TWO COMMITTEES? NO, NO MORE THAN TWO CITY.
NO MORE THAN TWO CITY COMMITTEES.
UM, ARE WE FINE WITH TWO OR WE FINE WITH ONE? TWO, TWO.
I, I CAN I HAVE A HAND FOR TWO? CAN WE DO THAT? VOTE
WHAT TWO? LET'S DO, START WITH TWO AND THEN WE'LL MOVE FROM THERE.
I MEAN I'M WANT HEATHER ON ONE, BUT I'M WILLING TO BE A TEAM PARTNER.
I CAN GO WITH AWAY WITH ONE OR TWO TWO'S AN IMPROVEMENT.
AND WHERE WE'RE AT NOW, I'LL PUT THIS WAY.
IF IT GETS ACTIVE TO ONE, THEN OKAY, THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN TO ATTRITION, I'M ASSUMING, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
YEAH, I THINK LET'S, I MEAN TWO, IT'LL START HEATHER.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY THAT WAS THE ONLY, NO, THE ONLY ONE.
WELL, I COULD BELIEVE IN TERM LIMITS, BUT TERM LIMITS.
SO POLICY LIMITED TO TWO AT ANY ONE TIME FOR CITY BOARD.
WE HAVE AN ABSENCE POLICY ALREADY IN THE CODE.
AND WE, AND THAT IS JUST A CHANGE THAT I WILL, THAT I WILL START DOING.
WE WILL, WE ARE WORKING WITH STAFF RIGHT NOW TO HAVE THEM INPUT THE, ALL OF THEIR, UH, ATTENDANCE INTO THE PROGRAM, INTO AGENDA QUICK SO THAT WE CAN RUN REPORTS.
THE ABSENCE POLICY, BY THE WAY, IT IS IN THE CODE AND IT'S ANY, SO IF I RECEIVE, I'M SUPPOSED TO RECEIVE MONTHLY REPORTS.
IF I SEE THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF ABSENCES IN THAT REPORT, IT SUBMITS TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY MANAGER.
I CAN UH, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE MAYOR TO REMOVE THAT.
IT DEPENDS OFF THAT MEETING ALL THAT.
YOU SHOULD DO A PERCENTAGE OF MEETINGS.
SHE'S GONNA TELL YOU IF, IF IT NEEDS LESS A MONTH OF FOUR ABSENCES.
IT'S UM, I WOULD THINK IT NEEDS LESS IN THE PAST FROM REPORT ON ATTENDANCE.
SAY I WAS LIKE, UM, MS. LETTY WOULD ALSO SEND US ATTENDANCE REPORTS WHEN SHE TOLD US WHO THE NEW, SO IF WE WEREN'T POLICING IT, THEN THAT, SO, SO WE CAN DO THAT AGAIN.
WE CAN PUT THE ATTENDANCE ON YOUR, ON YOUR REAPPOINTMENTS.
WE CAN EVEN DO WHAT WE DID IN THE PAST.
UM, PREVIOUSLY WE WOULD GIVE ALL OF YOUR APPOINTMENTS THE MONTH BEFORE SO YOU COULD LOOK AT 'EM, SEE THEIR ATTENDANCE AND ALL OF THAT.
AND THEN GIVE YOU GUYS TIME TO TELL US YES, NO, WE WANT SOMEONE ELSE.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE INTERNAL THINGS THAT WE THINK WE CAN GET YOU WITHOUT HAVING TO WRITE IT INTO A POLICY.
WELL I THINK THAT THE ATTENDANCE THING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
REALLY, IT'S, WE WANNA FIGURE THAT OUT.
IT'S REALLY JUST LIKE I SAID, UH, GIVING YOU THAT INFORMATION.
IS THAT HOW THAT WORKS? THERE'S A, I I BELIEVE I HARD CROSS BE AUTOMATIC.
I I THOUGHT LIKE I KNOW PARTS OF LIKE PARTS REC WHEN I, I'M A LITTLE BIT MORE FAMILIAR WITH LIKE IF THEY HAD SO MANY ABSENCES THEN IT BE, I THINK THE DIRECTOR OF PARK IS SUPPOSED TO LET THE CITY CLERK KNOW OR SOMEBODY KNOW AND THEN HE TELL MANAGER IF THERE'RE AN ABSENTEE MAKE THAT PROCESS IS NOT THAT.
WELL THAT'S JUST SAYING IT'S PROBABLY MORE ON THE, THE ATTENDANCE TAKING.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE SO THE PROCESS IS IN PLACE.
YEAH, WE'RE GONNA PUT IT, HAVE THEM PUT IT INTO AGENDA QUICK AND THAT WAY I CAN RUN REPORTS WITHOUT THANK YOU.
KAREN IS GOT ONE LITTLE THING FOR YOU.
UM, WE HAVE A, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE EVERY YEAR THAT COUNCIL, UM, THAT THE MAYOR IS UP FOR ELECTION.
WE TALK ABOUT GETTING A CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND THEN THE CHARTER HAVE A CITYWIDE ELECTION.
SO WE'VE DONE THAT SINCE 2012.
WE HAD, UM, THAT PROVISION PUT IN OUR CHARTER WHERE WE HAD TO HAVE, HAVE THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE THIS YEAR AND 2018 THEY REMOVED THAT, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE
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TO HAVE HALF YEAR AMENDED, LIKE FOUR PROVISIONS OF OUR CHARTER.UM, THERE WERE ONLY TWO PROVISIONS THAT THEY DIDN'T AMEND.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDED THEY REALLY ARE NON ISSUES NOT BEING SAME.
AND SO THE QUESTION IS THAT WE TOLD THE COMMITTEE THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO COME BEFORE COUNSEL TO LET THEM KNOW, HEY, THIS IS A GOOD TIME.
IF YOU'RE INTERESTED OR YOU KNOW, SOMETHING YOU WANT FOR A COMMITTEE TO REVIEW, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO APPOINT A COMMITTEE.
SO I WOULD JUST ASK IF YOU THINK THAT THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE CHARTER THAT YOU NEED.
STAFF DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT IT'S RECOMMENDING, BUT IF YOU ALL DO, YOU JUST GET WITH THE CITY MANAGER, WE PUT SOMETHING ON AND UH, APPOINT COMMITTEE THOSE DESIRES.
SO WHY IS ALL OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE PEOPLE GET APPOINTED IN 2017 WITHIN A, UM, THREE OR FOUR MONTHS SPAN? SO IT'S AD HOC CLAIM.
SO THIS WAS WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED IS, OKAY, WE THINK WE NEED A CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE.
WE WOULD POINT THE COMMITTEE AND THEN WE'D ACTUALLY WORK, START IN, EARN, SO THAT THEY COULD PRESENT A REPORT TO COUNCIL AND COUNSEL TO DETERMINE WHAT THEY REALLY WANTED ON THE AGENDA.
SO THEY JUST COME TOGETHER FOR ONE PURPOSE.
THEY'VE GONE, THEY'RE REALLY AN AD HOC.
YOU SUBMIT THAT REPORT TO COUNCIL, THE, THE
WE'RE, WE'RE ONLY REQUIRED, WELL NOW WE'RE REQUIRED BY CHARTER.
IT WENT, IT, IT, IT CHANGED FROM SHALL TO MAY.
SO WE DON'T HAVE, YOU HAVE, SO, BUT 18 MONTHS OUT IS WHEN, I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS 18 MONTHS OUT WHERE YOU, YOU NOW, YOU MAY ASSEMBLE THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS A CHARTER CHANGE IN 2018.
WE'RE JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT IF YOU WANTED TO DO SOMETHING, THIS WOULD BE BE THE TIME.
I MEAN WITH ALL, WELL, THERE, I'M SORRY.
WITH ALL THE CLEANUPS WE'VE DONE, 60 SOMETHING YOU SAID OR WHATNOT.
I MEAN, I, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE NOT GONNA DO.
WE'RE NOT GONNA DO 21 AMENDMENTS ANYMORE.
WELL, THAT BRINGS UP A POINT BECAUSE IN, UH, MY POINT WAS
SO MAYBE WE NEED TO GO TO SOME OF THEM AGAIN AND SAY SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT Y'ALL KICKED OUT BEFORE YOU BROUGHT IT TO US.
ARE THERE THINGS WE NEED, CAN WE LIST OF THOSE THINGS THAT MAY BE, IS, IS THERE OTHER THINGS WE NEED TO LOOK AT? IF NOT, THEN WE DON'T NEED TO DO IT.
SO, SO I WAS ON THE LAST CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL REMEMBER THAT.
AND, UH, WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT, WE WERE HOPING THAT THIS CLEANUP WOULD BE THE FINAL ONE AND THERE REALLY WOULDN'T BE A NEED TO DO KIND OF THIS REOCCURRING ONE.
IT WOULD ONLY BE LIKE, IF WE FELT THERE WAS A NEED TO ACTUALLY CHANGE SOMETHING IN THE CHARTER, THEN COUNSEL COULD APPOINT THE COMMITTEE.
BUT WE, THE DISCUSSION AROUND THAT WAS, UM, THIS, THIS WAS SHOULD BE THE LAST AND FINAL CLEANUP.
THERE WASN'T REALLY A LOT OF, AND, AND WE DO THIS IS, IT WAS EVERY, AM I RIGHT? REMEMBER EVERY THREE YEARS? YEAH.
1, 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE WITH FOUR AND FIVE.
THE, THE LEASE FOR NOTHING AT ALL.
AND WE DID ALL OF YOUR ONES THROUGH THREE.
THERE'S ONLY TWO FOURS LEFT AND LEFT.
BUT CAN WE GET A LIST AT LEAST THAT CAN AT LEAST COUNSEL GET THE LIST OF WHAT THOSE WERE? YEAH.
HE CAN GIVE YOU THE FINAL REPORT SAID THAT HE GIVE THE FINAL REPORT, THE LIST OF FOUR OR THESE TWO THAT ARE ON THE, UH, AMENITY YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT SENDING THE CHARTER.
I DON'T WANNA SEE LIKE, RIGHT.
SO THERE'S A, IT WOULD BE SECTION 29 AND SECTION 46 WE'RE NOT DONE WITH LAST TIME.
IN FACT, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE DID IS TO CHECK THE D SHEET AND ALL THAT.
AND SO WE BY EDITOR'S NOTES WENT THROUGH THEM, WAS HARDER AND GOT THAT FIXED AS WELL.
SO LEMME ASK ANOTHER QUESTION HERE.
SO IF WE DECIDE, I'M GONNA CALL A FEW OF THESE GUYS, I'M GONNA DO IT NOW.
I'M GONNA ASK THEM THOSE QUESTIONS, WHICH Y'ALL POINTED OUT.
SO IF WE DID THAT, WHAT'S THE ODDS OF US ENDED UP WITH THE SAME CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE WE HAD LAST TIME AND WHAT'S THE PROS AND CONS OF THAT? I MEAN, WE EACH GET APPOINT SOMEBODY, RIGHT? WE GET ONE AT LARGE AND WE EACH GET ONE WELL, SO EVERYTHING JUST APPOINT THE SAME PERSON AGAIN.
WELL, YOU'RE ASKING, YOU'RE ASKING WHAT'S THE PROS AND CONS OF I I WANT, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT MINE ARE, WOULD BE, IT IS GOOD TO PROBABLY HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT SERVED BEFORE.
'CAUSE THEY KIND OF CAN GIVE YOU INSIGHT.
THEY HAD THE SAME POSITION, SAME OUTLOOK.
I THINK WE NEED TO, I KNOW, WELL MINE READ THAT HE'S DONE ANYWAY, BUT, UH, IF WE NEED THAT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO, I THINK WHAT BOX, AT LEAST FOR THIS ITEM, WHAT MAKES SENSE TO ME WOULD BE LET'S LOOK AT WHAT WAS, WHAT WERE THESE TWOS AND FOURS ON SCORES AND SEE IF WE THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S SUBSTANTIAL THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
IF SO, THEN WE'LL APPOINT A COMMITTEE
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AND THEN THEY CAN TALK ABOUT IT.THEY STILL MAY SAY, WE STILL DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO AN ELECTION.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT ONE CYCLE, NOT HAVING TO GO AND HAVE A CHARTER AMENDMENT, BUT THAT'S JUST ME.
WE THROW IN A BUNCH OF NEW PEOPLE IN THERE, THEN WE'LL GET ANOTHER 29 REVISIONS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO CONSIDER AGAIN, UNLESS WE GET SOME, SOME PEOPLE ON THERE THAT'S DONE THIS BEFORE.
SO WHEN I BRING UP THE, THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO EXTEND OUR LIMITS TO 10 YEAR TERMS. THERE'S SOMEBODY THERE THAT CAN SAY, NO, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT AND THIS IS THE REASON WHY.
AND SO YOU GOT TO HAVE SOMEBODY TO SIT IN.
YEAH, I AGREE WITH A BLENDED DEAL.
FRESH IDEAS ALSO NEED SOME OF THE PAST.
WELL, WE CAN AT LEAST SAY IF YOU SERVED TWICE ALREADY, MAYBE LET'S GET NEW.
I THINK I HAD DID SERVED AT LEAST TWICE.
RIGHT? WELL, AND I'D POINT HIM AGAIN.
WELL, BUT HE'S, HE'S, YEAH, BUT IT MAY AND MAY, I'M NOT SAYING YOU SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T.
PLEASE DON'T THINK I'M SAYING THAT GUY.
BUT YOU'RE GONNA GET THE SAME TRACK.
SO IF YOU'RE FINE WITH THAT, IF YOU'RE GONNA GET THE SAME, I MEAN TRACK STILL AGAINST TERM, YOU KNOW, AND THAT MAY BE GREAT.
WELL, AND REMEMBER ALL THEY DO IS RECOMMEND A COUNCIL AND WE, WE, WE GET THE PICK AND CHOOSE OF.
WELL, I'VE GOT, I'M GONNA TALK ON, I HAVE SOMETHING MARTIN IN MY, UH, BUT I GUESS ALL ABOUT THE CHARTER.
SO FIRST LET'S LOOK AT THE LIST OF WHAT'S OUT.
IF SOME, IF SOME OF IT IS JUST DOWN TO THEN I DON'T THINK IT REALLY, I MEAN IT'S LIKE GRAMMATICALLY RADICAL STUFF.
UNLESS, UNLESS THE COMMITTEE COMES UP WITH, THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
LIKE IF A STRONG MAYOR, YOU KNOW, UH, COMMUNITY, LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT, BUT FROM THE LAST DEBATE, IT WAS JUST ALL PUNCTUATION FROM STUFF.
IT WASN'T, WASN'T YOUR CHANCE.
I'LL SAY IF YOU FEEL THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU SAW THE ONE THREE ASKING, TALKING ABOUT WHETHER NEED OR NOT.
THERE'S, THERE'S AN ITEM OUT THERE THAT'S HANDICAPPED IN THE CITY TO A BIG DEAL.
AND THAT HAS TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THE WAY THAT LAW OR, OR THE RECOMMENDATIONS OR THE WALL OR HOW IT WAS ZONE WAS INTERPRETED.
TWO OF THE FIRE, TWO IN AND TWO OUT WAS INTERPRETED AND EXTRAPOLATED OUT TO FOUR MEN ON EVERY FIRE TRUCK, WHICH IS NOT TYPICAL.
USUALLY GET TWO OR THREE FIRE TRUCKS UP THE SCENE AND YOU'VE GOT 12, 14, 16.
YOU'VE GOT WAY MORE THAN THAT.
IF WE WENT BACK TO THE THREE, LET ME EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU.
WOULD TAKE A TON OF MONEY, TON OF LOAD OFF THIS TOWN.
LET ME, LET ME EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU.
SO YOU WOULD KNOW WHY THAT WAS PUSHED THERE.
WE WERE ARRIVING WITH TWO PEOPLE ON A TRUCK.
WE GOT ONE GUY KILLED OVER HERE IN COUNTRY CLUB.
THIS IS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I USED TO TEACH UP THERE AT A AND M.
YOU CANNOT LEAVE THAT TRUCK IF YOU'RE THE TRUCK CAPTAIN, IF YOU'RE THE GUY OPERATING THE TRUCK, HE CANNOT LEAVE THAT TRUCK.
SO HE CANNOT BE COUNTED AS THE GUY STANDING ON STANDBY OUTSIDE THE HOUSE.
BUT THE WAY THAT CHARTER IS BUILT UP AND THE WAY WE STRUCTURED IT IS, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THAT TRUCK OPERATOR IS DESIGNATED IS THAT HE'S GONNA BE ONE OF STANDBY.
WELL, YOU DON'T COUNT ON HIM ON STANDBY.
SO WE'RE STILL ONE SHORT, THERE SHOULD BE FIVE ON THE TRUCK.
IF YOU'RE IN A LARGE MUNICIPALITY, THAT TRUCK DIDN'T PULL OUT UNTIL THERE'S FIVE PEOPLE ON THAT TRUCK.
WELL WHAT, SO WHAT I'D LIKE, SO WE'RE ONE SHORT TO SEE IS HOW OTHER CITIES ARE DOING.
AND, AND, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE A COMPARISON OF WHAT THEY DO BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING IT AND WE'RE NOT.
SO HOW'S IT WORK? I THAT THING? YEAH.
WELL ALSO HOW DO YOU DO IT? I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT, BUT IT IS BEING DONE IN OTHER PLACES THAT I DON'T HAVE IN SMALLER COMMUNITIES.
AND IT DEPENDS ON THE STYLE, THE COMMUNITY OUT.
AND WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT CITIES APPROPRIATE COMPARATIVE SIZES AND SEE WHAT THEY DO FOR COMPARISON THAT, BECAUSE IT IS MEGA BUCKS.
WELL, LET'S, LET'S JUST, LET'S, I MEAN I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TOO.
SO, BUT WELL, LET'S JUST LOOK AT THE ITEMS THAT THE LAST, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK, LET'S LOOK WHAT WAS LEFT OVER AND IF THERE'S ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS THINK THAT THEY NEED TO MAYBE BE REVIEWED, THEN WE DECIDED WE'RE GONNA ASSEMBLE A, A COMMITTEE OR NOT.
BUT THE FIRE, THE FIRE STAFFING IS ACTUALLY A TOPIC OF SPIRITED DEBATE.
THE DISCUSSION WITH EVERY CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE BEFORE I RAN FOR COUNCIL ALSO DATE.
WHAT YOU HAVE TO, THE, THE PROBLEM IS, THE PROBLEM IS IF THERE WAS A PETITION CIRCULATED, SIGNATURES WERE PUT ON THE PETITION TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT AND THE CITIZENS PASSED.
SO I OF THE, I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE COST, BUT WE CAN'T TAKE IT OFF.
IT'S A SHAME, HONESTLY, THAT WE PAY AS MUCH MONEY AS WE DO FOR OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT.
IT'S THE CRAZIEST THE NUMBERS OR JUST, IT'S INSANE.
IT'S MIND BLOWING THE WORD, THE WORD THAT, UH, BUT THE WORD THAT OUR, UM, UH, FINANCE DIRECTOR WOULD USE IS UNSUSTAINABLE.
IT'S NOT THAT MUCH MONEY BUT THIS, BUT IT WAS PRESENTED IN A DULY CALLED FAIR
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ELECTION AND IT WAS PASSED BY THE PEOPLE.SO, YOU KNOW, WELL THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T EDUCATE OURSELVES ABOUT IT AND ASK YOU TOUGH QUESTIONS AND DO THE TOUGH RESEARCH AND GO BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? HE'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
OR, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE MAY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE AND STAY SAFE.
BUT WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE VOTING PEOPLE, WE TO GO BACK TO BALLOT.
THAT'S WHAT SAYING OUR CHARTER DOES.
SO SAYING ON THESE, SO YOU'RE SAYING RESIST WOULD BE THE COMMITTEE ITSELF.
ARE YOU, ARE, WERE Y'ALL SEEKING, DO WE NEED TO YEAH.
ASSEMBLE OR WE JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT, RIGHT.
SO NOW IT'S THE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT A COMMITTEE TO, TO THINK ABOUT OR TO DO.
AND THEN WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND TRY.
I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU GET
I WOULD, I MEAN I'M ONLY INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS ALL THE OTHER LOWER COURT ITEMS. WE CAN GET INFORMATION.
KAREN, WHEN DO YOU NEED TO KNOW BY WHETHER WE'RE GONNA ASSEMBLE THE TRACKING COMMITTEE? 13 MONTHS.
WELL, NO, WE CAN ASSEMBLE IT WHENEVER.
I THINK THAT THE LIST IS GONNA BE A LOT SHORTER.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU AND BOTH OF Y'ALL WENT THROUGH VERY EXHAUSTED TO, YOU KNOW, REVIEW.
UM, I WOULD THINK THAT AT THIS POINT THE LIST WOULD BE MUCH SHORTER.
SO IT WOULD JUST BE WHATEVER SPECIFIC ISSUES THAT YOU ALL FELT NEEDED TO BE CONSIDERED.
WELL, LIKE LET'S SAY WE AGREED THAT WE WANTED THE COMMITTEE TO DEBATE THIS ISSUE THAT DAVE BROUGHT UP.
WHEN DO YOU NEED TO KNOW BY TO PUT THE COMMITTEE TOGETHER? LIKE BY THE END OF AUGUST? BY OCTOBER WE STILL HAVE TIME BECAUSE WE DON'T CALL THAT ELECTION UNTIL, UNTIL NEXT NOVEMBER.
SO WE WOULD WANT TO GET INFORMATION 18 MONTHS OUT.
SO WE'RE KIND OF, WE'RE IN THAT.
WOULDN'T IT BE PRUDENT OR, OR SAFE TO SAY THAT WHETHER WE HAVE ONE ITEM FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE OR 29, WE PROBABLY WILL DO SOMETHING AND WE NEED TO PUT THE COMMITTEE TOGETHER, WHETHER THEY'RE DOING DEBATING TWO OR THREE ITEMS OR 50, EITHER WAY WE OUGHT TO DO IT.
AND THAT WAY WE CAN GET OUR APPOINTMENTS UP IN GEAR.
WE MIGHT BRING 'EM ALL TOGETHER AND THEY TALK ABOUT ONE THING AND THEY GO HOME.
BUT WHAT'S WRONG WITH HAVING A CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE AND, AND DOING IT? THERE'S, THERE'S NOT SHOULD DO IT PREROGATIVE.
I THINK WE SHOULD PLAN TO DO IT.
AND THEN WE'RE ABLE TO, IF WE HAVE A COMMITTEE, WE CAN BRING RIGHTS TO IT.
IF WE DON'T DO THE PROCESS, IF WE HAVE SOMETHING, THERE'S NOBODY BRING IT TO.
'CAUSE I, I NEED TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT THERE.
Y'ALL NEED TO LET ME KNOW WHEN I NEED TO DO THAT.
I'LL GET SOMEBODY IN MIND ON THAT.
OH, NEXT COUPLE OF WORDS FOR YOU.
CHARTER REVIEW D AND WAS BILL CHARTER REVIEW.
CAN WE TAKE THEM TOGETHER?
HEY, THAT'S NEW BLOOD FRESH IDEAS, RIGHT? BOSS CHARTER REVIEW APPOINTMENT.
THAT'S, THAT'S FRESH IDEAS, RIGHT? HEY MAN, AS I LEAVE, UH, SO D IS, UH, IS DISCUSSION ON BOND OVERSIGHT AND IT'S REALLY JUST A MORE OF A, A FOLLOW UP.
THE MAYOR'S BEEN DISCUSSING IT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SO, AND IT IS REALLY MAINLY JUST GETTING FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL ON.
IS THERE SOMETHING DIFFERENT YOU WANT TO SEE OR ARE YOU OKAY WITH HOW WE'VE BEEN DOING IT? SO IF YOU GO BACK, THE ONLY TIME THE CITY WOULD TYPICALLY HAVE A FORMAL CITIZEN'S BOND ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS IF WE WERE DOING A GEO BOND ELECTION, RIGHT? WE DID THAT BACK IN 2007.
UM, AND YOU SEE IT MORE OFTEN WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OR A COLLEGE.
THAT'S KIND OF THE PROCESS THEY'RE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH.
SO, UM, HOW WE HANDLE THE COS IS THEIR OVERSIGHT IS YOU, UM, WHICH YOU COULD ARGUE THAT'S GOOD.
THAT'S GUESS THAT'S BAD, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
UM, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY DOING MORE COS AT THIS POINT.
PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE THE WAY THE CITY'S FINANCES WORK, THAT'S A MECHANISM THAT WORKS WITH OUR IDA.
THERE'S NOT A CLEAN WAY TO SPEND THAT INDUSTRIAL MONEY ON CAPITAL PROJECTS.
DOING THE COS IS REALLY THE CLEANEST WAY TO DO THAT.
SO WE COULD KEEP GOING HOW WE'VE BEEN GOING.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU THIS WEEK, UM, IN ANTICIPATION OF DOING THE NOTICE OF INTENT NEXT THURSDAY, THE COUNCIL MEETING, WE DID MEET WITH THE STRATEGIC PLANNING ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IN JUST A MINUTE TO
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MAINLY JUST DOUBLE CHECK AND MAKE SURE THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO WITH THESE COS WERE, WERE THEY OUT OF LINE WITH WHAT THE CITIZENS SAID DURING THE IMAGINE DAY TIME.UM, AND SO WE WANTED TO RUN THAT BY 'EM, TALK THROUGH IT WITH THEM, GET THEIR FEEDBACK, UM, AND BRING THAT DISCUSSION TO YOU NEXT THURSDAY.
SO IT'S MORE JUST ASKING, ARE YOU OKAY WITH HOW THINGS ARE, ARE PLAYING OUT RIGHT NOW OR IS THERE ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE? AND Y'ALL DID HEAR, UM, TUESDAY I MENTIONED WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH COUNCIL OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS TO LAY OUT THE LONG TERM CIP FOR THE CITY.
AND SOME OF THAT MAY BE, HEY THERE'S, THERE'S A GEO ELECTION WE NEED TO DO IN THE FUTURE OR THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA DO IN THE FUTURE.
SO JUST KIND OF KEEP THAT IN MIND.
IS THERE SOME THRESHOLD OR SOMETHING THAT TRIGGERS Y'ALL CHOOSING A GEO VERSUS A CO? IT IT IS GONNA BE PROBABLY MORE OF THE NATURE OF THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE UH, THAT WE'RE FINANCING.
SO WE'RE GONNA RAISE THE TAX RATE TO DO IT NEEDS YEAH.
AND, AND GENERALLY WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT COS GENERALLY ARE GONNA BE CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, MOST OF THE TIME FOR THAT KIND OF, MOST OF THE TIME.
UH, THEY'RE GENERALLY THINGS THAT ARE JUST SYSTEMICALLY ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL TO HAVE WHERE A GEO MORE APPROPRIATELY MIGHT BE NOT ONLY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADJUST THE, THE, UH, TAX RATE, BUT IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT'S MORE ALONG THE LINES OF A PUBLIC FACILITY.
THE OTHER DIFFERENCE IS THE COS CAN USE PLACE REVENUE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE NEXT WEEK WE'RE GONNA USE SOME WATER AND SEWER REVENUE TO PAY FOR COS, COS ARE HUNDRED PERCENT
AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE FORCED TO GO TO THE, THE, THE TAXPAYER AS A VOTER BECAUSE YOU ARE IMPACTING THEM.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IT HAS TO BE BASED ON THE VALUE AND THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT TO INCLUDE HAVING A PROJECT MANAGER ASSIGNED TO THAT.
WHETHER IT'S IN-HOUSE PROJECT MANAGEMENT OR CONTRACTOR THAT DOES IT AND REPORTS TO THE CITY.
THAT'S THE CLEANEST WAY TO DO IT.
THAT'S THE WAY OTHER ENTITIES DO IT.
UH, THESE LITTLE THINGS WHERE WE BLOW A HOLE IN A SEWER PIPE AND WE HAVE TO HURRY UP AND GET A, UH, A GROUP OUT THERE THAT YOU DON'T NEED IT FOR THAT.
BUT IF YOU'RE PLANNING SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA GO ON FOR OVER A YEAR OR IT'S SOME KIND OF PRICE OF LIKE $10 MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU NEED SOMEBODY THAT HAS SOME OVERSIGHT TO THAT PROJECT.
UH, AND I AGREE IT'S ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY.
AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT PROJECT MANAGER ON THAT SITE EVERY DAY.
LIKE WOULD YOU HAVE GEOD, THE ANIMAL SHELTER CONSTRUCTION? I, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD DO THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S SUCH A, THAT'S A TYPICAL BUILDING MORE OR LESS YOU'RE BUILDING WALLS.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE GETTING, I TRYING TO GET AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WOULD BE A, WELL, LIKE THE SEWER, THE SEWER PLANT THAT WE JUST PUT IN OVER HERE ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN.
THAT NEEDED A PROJECT MANAGER AND IT NEEDED AN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE.
UM, SO THE, THE WAY THE CITY WORKS, I MEAN, BECAUSE OF THE TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT WE DO, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THAN SCHOOL DISTRICT OR THE COLLEGE, WE ARE PRETTY MUCH DOING LARGE PROJECTS EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
SO YOU WOULD'VE A COMMITTEE PRETTY MUCH AROUND THE CLOCK AT THAT POINT.
SO, SO, SO, SO LET ME ASK YOU MORE, ESPECIALLY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE IDEA WOULD BE YOU HAVE A CAPITAL, YOU HAVE A CAPITAL PROJECTS PLAN, RIGHT? WE'LL HAVE THAT.
AND, AND I THINK WE SAW THE OTHER DAY, RIGHT? THERE'S $949 MILLION OF POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT COULD BE MADE.
AND SO THE IDEA WOULD BE AS WE MOVE FORWARD IT, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO EITHER USE THE, THE, THE STAFF, RIGHT? UH, IN THE SENSE IT'S LIKE YES, IF COS ARE GONNA GO OUT, THEY'RE KIND OF THE THE CITIZEN OVERSIGHT THAT UNDERSTAND IT'S PART OF THE STRATEGY OF THE CITY, THE WHOLE OVERALL STRATEGIC PLAN.
AND SAYING, YES, YOU KNOW, IT'S APPROPRIATE, IT'S APPROPRIATE USE OF COS FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT, FOR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
I MEAN, THERE'S CITIZEN OVERSIGHT FOR THAT.
IF THEY SAY, NO, WE THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MAY BE MORE OF A GENERAL OBLIGATION, UH, SCENARIO, THEN, THEN, THEN WE'D HAVE TO ADDRESS IT AT THAT, AT THAT TIME WHERE WE WOULD ASSEMBLE A WHOLE SEPARATE CITIZENS BOND ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR GEOS.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND.
BUT JUST, I MEAN WHY GO, WHY REINVENT A WHOLE NEW COMMITTEE IF YOU KIND OF HAVE SOMETHING HERE ALREADY IN PLACE THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE A COMMITTEE THAT UNDERSTANDS THE LONG-TERM STRATEGY OF THE CITY, CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, LIKE THIS BEING ONE OF THEM.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST.
BUT I'M OKAY WITH THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW.
BUT, BUT, BUT I THINK THE ONLY, ONLY CHANGE WOULD BE NOW YOU'RE KIND OF HAVING THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE SPAC MM-HMM
OF HERE'S OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, THIS IS THE FUNDING MECHANISM.
AND THEN, AND THEN NOW WITH THE, THE, THE CAPITAL
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IMPROVEMENT PLAN BEING PUBLISHED, ONCE WE GET EVERYTHING UPDATED AND, AND AND WORKING, THEN THE CITIZENS WILL HAVE THAT, THAT THE ABILITY TO GO AND LOOK AT HERE'S HERE'S THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, IS IT THE COST IS HOW IT'S FUNDED AND SO ON.AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I SAY THERE YOU NEED TO SET A CERTAIN VALUE ON IT BECAUSE I DISAGREE WITH THE WAY IT'S BEING DONE RIGHT NOW THAT THAT SEWER PLANT OR THE WATER PLANT ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN, UH, IT SHOULDN'T HAVE COST AS MUCH AS IT DID.
WE SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD AS MANY, UH, AS MANY THINGS COME IN THAT SAY, WELL HERE'S SOME MORE MONEY THAT NEEDS TO COME IN THAT NEEDED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
AND WE DROPPED IT AND FUMBLED THE BALL SEVERAL TIMES THERE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE PROPER OVERSIGHT OF THAT PROJECT.
YOU TALKING ABOUT THE BEAST, THE ONE OVER THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CANAL? YEAH.
CHAMBERS COUNTY SAID WHAT? WATER NUMBER TWO? THE FOLLOW PLANT? YEAH.
NUMBER TWO THERE IS OVER SIDE.
WHO WAS IT? WELL, THE, WELL THE FOLLOW BOARD IS IS THE OVERSIGHT.
I I'M TALKING ABOUT STANDALONE PROJECT GROUP ABOUT PHYSICAL CONSTRUCTION.
A PROJECT MANAGER AND JUST LIKE WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, EVERYBODY ELSE DOES, THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE A BOND COMMITTEE THAT OVERSEES THE BOND AND HOW THE MONEY'S BEING SPENT AND REPORT BACK TO THE SCHOOL BOARD ON THAT OR THE, OR THE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE CITY MANAGER, WHOEVER HAS THAT PROJECT.
WE, BUT WE, SO THE STAFF REPORTS THE BOTTLE BOARD EVERY MONTH ON THE STATUS OF THAT PROJECT THAT JUST THAT PROJECT IN PARTICULAR.
WELL, I THINK WE, I I, I DON'T CARE HOW TO DO THIS RIGHT NOW.
I HAVE SEEN THAT ON SOME OF THE STUFF THAT Y'ALL BROUGHT TO US, SOME THINGS THAT WERE UNNECESSARILY DONE AND WE DOUBLE DIPPED ON A FEW THINGS.
EVERYBODY ELSE, I'M NOT BUILDING WATER TREATMENT PLANT, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT, AND SO I THINK THERE'S, THERE WAS SOME PROBLEMS THERE.
I'M USING THAT FOR AN EXAMPLE.
BUT IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE GONNA GO IN AND, AND LIKE TEAR UP GARTH ROAD AND REDO IT FOR $120 MILLION, WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THEN IT IS GONNA OVERWHELM SOME PEOPLE HERE IN THAT, THAT, UH, HAS EVERY DAY TO DAY ACTIVITIES WITH THE CITY OF BAYTOWN.
SO YOU'RE SAYING WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS SCHOOL DISTRICT OF COLLEGE, LIKE WHEN THE COLLEGE DOES A BUILDING PROJECT AND THROUGH A BOND MAY SLEDGE IS THERE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THE MANAGER SHOULD NOT BE A STAFF PERSON, IT SHOULD BE A THIRD PARTY ENTITY OR YOU TAKE SOMEBODY OFF STAFF AND HAVE THEM DEDICATED STRICTLY TO THAT? YEAH, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE USES A A, A, UH, THIRD PARTY.
MOST OF THESE FOR THIS AMOUNT.
THEY DO HAVE THIRD PARTY, UH, QC.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE, SO YOU'VE SEEN A LITTLE BIT OF THE EVOLUTION JUST IN THE PAST YEAR.
SO WHEN WE MERGED PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING, WE CREATED A, A DIVISION SOLELY DEDICATED CAPITAL PROJECT, CAPITAL PROJECTS MANAGER.
SO ANDREA, THAT IS ALL SHE DOES.
SHE DOES NOT DO ANYTHING ELSE EXCEPT EXECUTE.
YEAH, I THINK SHE DOES REALLY GOOD.
IN TERMS OF ACCOUNTABILITY, YOU ARE ASKING THE QUESTION, DO WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT? SURE.
AND I SAY YES, I CAN'T, YOU CAN'T PUT
THE PROJECT MANAGER SHOULDN'T JUST BE STAFF.
IT'S A LITTLE, IT NEEDS TO BE DESIGNATED STAFF PERSON AT A MINIMUM.
IF NOT, IT'S OVER A CERTAIN SCOPE OR AMOUNT A THIRD PARTY ENTITY.
NO, AND ACTUALLY WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THAT.
SO, UH, YOU'RE GONNA SEE ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY, SO BUILDINGS IN PARTICULAR ARE NOT SOMETHING YOU WANT JUST A CITY STAFF OR A SCHOOL DISTRICT STAFF MEMBER OVERSEEING.
THAT'S A VERY TECHNICAL PROJECT.
CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK TO WHERE WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A PARTY, A THIRD PARTY REPRESENTING US ON THE CONSTRUCTION CONSTRUCTION, UH, ON THE CONVENTION CENTER HOTEL PROJECT AS WELL.
YEAH, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
WE HAVE BIG ENOUGH PROJECTS NOW WE NEED A LOT OF THAT TAKES FULL TIME INVOLVED.
THERE'S SO MUCH MONEY INVOLVED THERE AND IT'S EASY TO SLIP SOME OF THAT MONEY OFF TO A SIDE STREAM SOMEWHERE AND IT DISAPPEAR AND YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO IT.
YOU GOTTA HAVE THAT SOMEBODY ON SITE.
SO THE LAST THING IS, UH, STRATEGIC PLAN AND UH, COMP PLAN.
SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I THINK MOST OF Y'ALL KNOW IT WAS ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO BE STARTED RIGHT DURING COVID.
AND SO IT'S BEEN PUT ON HOLD FOR THE TIME BEING BECAUSE THAT'S HEAVY, HEAVY, HEAVY IN CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT.
UM, THE, YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AS A CHALLENGER, AN OPPORTUNITY OR BOTH.
IT'S GET, IT IS GETTING CLOSER TO WHEN WE SHOULD BE STARTING OUR NEXT STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS.
SO WE LET EVERYBODY KNOW, IMAGINE BAY FUND IS A FIVE YEAR
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STARTING THAT IN EARLY 21.WELL, THE COMP PLAN IS NOW PUSHING RIGHT UP TO IT.
AND JUST FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, AS WE WERE LOOKING AT IT AND SAYING, OKAY, AS WE GO OUT IN OUR, IN OUR ENGAGING CITIZENS AND THERE'S OTHER THINGS WE'RE DOING TO ENGAGE CITIZENS AS WELL, WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO CONFUSE 'EM BY GOING OUT DOING HEAVY ENGAGEMENT ON THE COMP PLAN AND THEN TWO MONTHS LATER WE GO BACK OUT AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE DOING IMAGINE BAY TOWN.
COME TELL US WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SO THE IDEA IS TO TRY AND SYNC THE TWO.
UM, AND IDEALLY USE THE SAME CONSULTANT THAT WE'RE USING FOR THE COMP PLAN TO HELP US DO THE STRATEGIC PLAN AS WELL.
THAT WAY WE CAN MERGE SOME OF THE CITIZEN FEEDBACK.
THE OTHER BENEFIT IS OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE COVID ISSUES FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR, SO WE NEED TO BE REALLY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT HOW WE DO ENGAGEMENT WITH THE, WITH OUR CITIZENS.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE TWO PLANS.
WANTED TO JUST LET Y'ALL KNOW AND KEEP THE FEEDBACK ON THAT.
UM, THE OTHER THING, BOTH OF THOSE TWO PROJECTS BOTH HAVE COMMITTEES THAT ARE NOT OFFICIAL COMMITTEES BECAUSE THEY HAVE KIND OF A, A FINITE FIRM TO THEIR WORK.
UM, BUT THEY DO GET APPOINTED THROUGH COUNSEL.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO START THINKING ABOUT.
THINKING ABOUT AS WELL WHEN THEY'RE COMING UP.
WHEN DO YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT? THOSE WOULD BE VERY SOON.
SO THE, LIKE WE NEED TO START THE STRATEGIC PLAN WE MERGED INTO, WE WOULD START THE STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS HERE VERY SHORTLY.
UM, THE WAY IT WORKED LAST TIME, I REMEMBER WE HADN'T REALLY DONE A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR A WHILE BEFORE THAT.
SO WHEN THAT COMMITTEE WAS FORMED, MAYOR DON CARLOS CAME UP WITH THE LIST AND IT DID GET VOTED ON BY COUNCIL.
UM, BUT HE DID DEVELOP THE FULL LIST AND THE IDEA AT THE TIME WE WERE HAVING THE SAME CHALLENGES, NEW PEOPLE TO GET INVOLVED.
WE DID FIND A REALLY GOOD NEW PERSON TO GET INVOLVED SITTING RIGHT HERE.
UM, AND UH, ONE OF THE LISTS THAT HE USED WAS THE BAYTOWN SONS 20 UNDER 40 LIST.
AND THERE WERE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE ON THERE WHO HAD NOT SERVED ON A COMMITTEE BEFORE THAT.
AND THE IDEA WAS, OKAY, GET SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE YOUNGER, UH, HAVEN'T BEEN QUITE, QUITE AS INVOLVED YET.
AND SO THAT'S PARTLY HOW THAT COMMITTEE IS FORMED.
SO THAT'S, UH, PROBABLY SOME FEEDBACK WHEN WE REMEMBER WERE THERE, THERE WAS NONE.
SO, SO WE MAKE AN APPOINTMENT, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO LIVE IN OUR DISTRICT.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? SO THE WAY IT WORKED LAST TIME WAS THE
SO THAT'S THE OTHER FEEDBACK WE NEED IS HOW THAT GROUP GETS, DO WE HAVE TO DO THIS ALL AGAIN? NO, WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT
I'M FINE WITH THAT AFTER DECEMBER 1ST.
Y'ALL HAVE TO VOTE ON IT ANYWAY.
THAT HEY, HE'S JUST GONNA POINT, HE APPOINT, WE JUST LEFT OFF THE CEAC
BUT CAN WE RECOMMEND, UH, NAMES TO YOU MAYOR? I GUESS, I MEAN, I THINKING, I HONESTLY, I HONESTLY HAVE NOT SEEN VERY MANY PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT MAKE THOSE BAYTOWN SUN OR WHATEVER.
I WILL TELL YOU I AND I, AND I'M NOT SAYING SAYING THAT THEY DON'T DESERVE IT, IT'S JUST HONESTLY A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT DON'T REALLY GET REACHED OUT TO, I MEAN THEY DO, THEY FEEL LEFT OUT.
IF IT'S UP TO ME AND IT NOT LIKE WE WERE GONNA BE TIME SENSITIVE, I WILL COME.
WELL LISTEN, I WILL, I WILL TRY.
IF IT'S NINE PEOPLE, I WILL CERTAINLY TRY TO GET AT LEAST ONE PERSON AND GET WITH YOU WHO I'M, I'M GONNA SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT I'M THINKING.
SOME NEW IDEAS AND SOME FRESH BLOOD.
NO, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S WHAT MAYOR CARLOS 20 UNDER 40 LIST.
Y'ALL SHOULD CONSIDER THAT GENTLEMAN THAT CAME TO TALK TO COUNCIL THAT WAS FROM THE US NAVY.
HE'S ALREADY ALREADY APPOINTED HIM.
HE'S GONNA BE ON, ON THE ADMINISTRATION'S, UH, POLICE STRATEGIC PLAN.
YEAH, I TALKED TO HIM TWO NIGHTS AGO.
AND, AND REALLY THE CRITICALITY OF WHAT TYPE OF PERSON YOU WANT IN THIS ONE.
YOU REALLY WANT SOMEBODY WHO'S GONNA LISTEN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LAST TIME WE HEARD FROM 5,000 RESIDENTS AND THEIR JOB WAS TAKE THAT FEEDBACK AND TURN INTO A STRATEGIC PLAN.
SO YEAH, YOU WANT 'EM TO BE INDEPENDENT THINKERS AND HEATHER CAN TELL YOU MORE THAN ANYBODY WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WHAT TYPE OF PERSON WE NEED.
UM, AND MAYBE WHAT COULD APPROVE OR WHAT WENT WELL WITH THAT COMMITTEE.
THAT ONE WAS ALSO UNIQUE IN THAT THERE WASN'T A CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE.
UM, THE FACILITATOR WE KIND OF PASSED THE FACILITATOR WITH TO FACILITATE THE MEETINGS.
SO ALL NINE WERE KIND OF EQUAL AMONGST EACH OTHER.
I, I SUGGEST VISIONARY PEOPLE,
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YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO CAN SEE BAYTOWN 20, 30, 50 YEARS FROM NOW AND NOT STUCK WITH WHY DID VOTERS APPROVE THE GOLF COURSE? I'M NOT SAYING NOT TO GET A GOLF COURSE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BUT PEOPLE WHO ARE THINKING LIKE I HUNDRED PERCENT LIKE, UH, WAY DOWN THE ROAD.
WE'LL, BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME OVERLAP.
MIKE WILSON ONE, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS COUNCIL BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I, ALL THIS COUNSEL COUNCIL ME
I'M TWO YEARS OLDER THAN BRANDAGE.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT GOOD WITH THAT GUY.
SO OUR, UH, WE'RE GONNA TALK EVEN INTO RUNNING IT AGAIN IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, BUB BLAH.
OH, SO OUR, OUR COMMUNITY TRYING TO GET BACK INTO YES, OUR, UH, OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TEAM IS ACTUALLY STARTING TO THINK THROUGH AND DEVELOP SOMETHING REALLY COOL THAT I THINK WILL HELP KIND OF DO WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TODAY, WHICH IS GET FRESH BLOOD, GET NEW IDEAS OUT THERE.
UM, LETTY AND I HAVE PROBABLY BEEN TALKING FOR, WELL SINCE THE FIRST DAY I STARTED HERE ABOUT A CITIZENS ACADEMY AND THAT WAS KIND OF A BEST PRACTICE AT THE TIME.
IT'S REALLY KIND OF A LITTLE OLD IN THINKING NOW.
UM, BUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IS SOME SORT OF, UH, CITIZEN'S LEADERSHIP ACADEMY, SOME SOMETHING TO GET PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN CITY GOVERNMENT YET, BUT ARE INTERESTED IN IT.
AND I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO THEY KIND OF WANT TO GET INVOLVED, BUT THEY'RE A LITTLE SCARED TO EVEN STEP OUT THERE.
UM, SO THIS WOULD BE A CHANCE TO NOT ONLY TEACH THEM ABOUT WHAT CITY GOVERNMENT IS LIKE, BUT ALSO GIVE THEM THE SKILLS TO SERVE SUCCESSFULLY ON, ON THESE COMMITTEES.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF TECHNIQUES WE'VE LEARNED THROUGH OUR BLACK BELT TRAINING THAT I THINK WE COULD INCORPORATE INTO SOME OF THIS STUFF.
SO, AND I LIKE THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT RICK HAD MENTIONED TOO AT ONE POINT.
SO IT'S SOMETHING KIND OF BEING THOUGHT THROUGH AND I THINK IT'LL HELP, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S GONNA BE MORE TURNOVERS TURNOVER ON THESE COMMITTEES.
THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE STRONG PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT, THAT FILL SOME OF THESE SEATS.
SO HOPEFULLY THIS WILL HELP HELP YOU GUYS KIND OF BUILD THAT, THAT POOL OF APPLICANTS.
YEAH, SO I WAS A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT, I DON'T WANNA DROP STEPS FOUND WE HAD HERE, BUT I WAS A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT ONE OF MY APPOINTEES, BOBBY DIAZ, BECAUSE HE WAS REALLY YOUNG AT THE TIME.
HE WAS GREEN AND I APPOINTED HIM TO CDAC AND LEMME TELL YOU SOMETHING, I'VE HEARD NOTHING BUT COMPLIMENTS FROM AT LEAST FOUR MEMBERS ON CBA.
YEAH, HE WAS ACTUALLY, I WAS STILL ON CDAC WHEN HE CAME IN AND HE, I MEAN HE WAS STILL GOING TO, UH, IN HIS EARLY TWENTIES AND UH, WAS, YOU KNOW, I KNEW HE WAS A GOOD KID.
I COULD TELL HE WANTED TO GET INVOLVED, BUT IT JUST TURNED OUT TO BE A GREAT, WE NEED MORE APPOINTMENTS LIKE THAT FIT.
AND PART OF THE IDEA WOULD BE FINDING YEAH.
SO DID YOU NEED DIRECTION ON THAT ITEM, ON THAT LAST ITEM? START THINKING ABOUT SOUNDS LIKE JUST MAKING SURE GUYS OKAY WITH US KIND OF MERGING THOSE TWO PROCESSES A LITTLE BIT.
HYBRID AND YEAH, IF YOU'VE GOT IDEAS ALL SEVEN THAT ARE CURRENTLY STILL ON THE SPAC WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE, UM, THAT'S JUST KIND OF HEADS THERE FOR YOU GUYS.
OR NO, YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE NAMES.
CAN WE GET THOSE NAMES BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL COMMITTEE.
SO IT, SO THE ORIGINAL COMMITTEE WAS, UH, DR.
UM, I COURT WE DIDN'T THAT AND HERE'S SOMETHING UNIQUE BECAUSE, UM, AND THERE WAS KIND OF A PUSH TO FILL THOSE TWO SEATS AND WE DID NOT BRING ANY RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE YOU BRING SOMEBODY NEW ONE AT THIS POINT, THEY WEREN'T A PART OF THAT PROCESS TO LISTEN TO THE 5,000 PEOPLE DURING, DURING THAT TIME.
SO THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T FILL THOSE.
GARY ENGLER, UH, TINA MARTINEZ, AND THESE ARE NOT ALL, UM, IN CITY RESIDENTS.
SOME OF THEM WERE CHOSEN FOR OTHER REASONS.
UH, BRENDAN MARSH WAS CHOSEN FOR HIS CONNECTION TO THE, UH, UH, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
BURT MARSHALL, UH, LE ES, UH, MARK STAFFORD AND MIKE WILSON.
WELL THEY'RE BOTH THE MICHAEL WILSON WILSON.
HUH? WHO WAS MIKE WILSON THAT USED TO BE WITH A DIFFERENT GROUP? SO IT'S A DIFFERENT ONE.
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NO, THAT ONE.SO WITH THAT, ANY, ANY CLOSING COMMENTS RICK? UH, YES.
I JUST HAVE, IF YOU COULD HANG ON ANOTHER 45 MINUTES.
I, I DON'T ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL.
I JUST LIKE TO LOOK ON YOUR FACE.
DOES WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA RECAP THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE IS FIRE STAFFING AND STRONG MAYOR, FORMER GOVERNOR TO KEEP THIS.
UH, BUT, UH, YEAH, THANK YOU EVERYBODY.
UH, WE WILL WORK OUR HARDEST ON THE BULK OF, THIS WAS ACTUALLY THE WORK YOU DID RIGHT UP FRONT.
THAT WAS WHAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY WANTED TO GET, UH, FROM YOU.
HOPE YOU APPRECIATE IT COMING TOGETHER.
IF THIS OPPORTUNITY PRESENTS ITSELF, DO YOU LIKE THIS FORMAT? YOU'RE OKAY IF WE BRING IT TOGETHER AGAIN IF WE HAVE OTHER, I THINK HAVING A MIDYEAR TAG UP IS PRETTY GOOD.
YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE THAT WE CAME TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT SOME PROCESSES, EVEN IF IT'S HELD TO FORM A COMMITTEE AND IT GIVES US A CHANCE FOR INPUT AND IT'S, LOOK, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ALL OF US TOGETHER AND, UH, WE, WE, I CAN APPRECIATE THAT AND I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A PROPER PROCESS.
CHRIS GAVE, YEAH, THEY WERE A LITTLE BITTY THOUGH.