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OF ORDER.[City Council Work Session]
WE HAVE ITEM ONE A, DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF AUTHORIZING USE OF GOLF CARTS ON CITY STREETS.SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THIS IS A, THIS IS A SUBJECT THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HOSKINS AND I DISCUSSED, UH, SOME WEEKS AGO.
UH, AND HE HAD DESIRE TO BRING THIS FORWARD TO DISCUSSION.
IN THE INTERIM, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PERFORM SOME RESEARCH THANKS TO KAREN.
UH, KAREN COULD PROBABLY, UH, SUMMARIZE IT A LITTLE BETTER ME, BUT I MIGHT GIVE 'EM THE CLIFF NOTE VERSION LIKE THIS MORNING.
AND HERE'S THE BOTTOM LINE IS, UH, IN MOST CITIES IN TEXAS, IF, WELL, ALL CITIES IN TEXAS, IF YOU HAVE A GOLF COURSE WITHIN TWO MILE RADIUS OF, OF WHERE YOU ARE, UH, YOU COULD RIDE A GOLF CART AROUND.
SO, BAYTOWN, WE DON'T HAVE A GOLF COURSE, WHICH IS A TOPIC FOR ANOTHER, UH, NIGHT.
BUT WE, UH, SO THEREFORE, UNLESS THE COUNCIL EXPRESSLY PERMITS THE USE OF GOLF CARTS, UH, THAT THOSE ARE PROHIBITED.
UM, IN NO CASE, EVEN IN THOSE COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY HAVE THE GOLF COURSE, OR IN THOSE COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY PERMITTED, YOU CAN'T PUT IT ON ROADS OF 35 MILES AN HOUR, UH, OR HIGHER.
SO IN, IN ESSENCE, THEY'D BE CONFINED TO RESIDENTIAL.
UH, ROADS, UH, IF THE COUNCIL DOES CHOOSE TO PERMIT THE USE OF GOLF CARTS ON CITY STREETS, UH, THERE WOULD BE, UH, SOME ASSOCIATED DMV REQUIREMENTS, UH, SIGNAGE AND OTHER, UH, LIKE A HORN, A PLATE.
IT, IT SAYS SLO V NEIGHBORHOOD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR, OR GOLFER ON BOARD.
WHAT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT NO, THERE'S A, THERE'S AN ACTUAL LICENSE PLATE STATE OF TEXAS THAT YOU CAN GET.
SO THERE WOULD BE THOSE, THOSE REQUIREMENTS, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO ACTUALLY EXPRESSLY PERMIT THAT THROUGH ORDINANCE.
SO, UH, AND THE WHOLE INTENT OF THIS IS ONLY THROUGH RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES, NOT OUT ON MAIN THIRD.
IT, IT WOULD NEVER BE PERMIT NO MATTER WHAT.
IT CAN'T BE PERMITTED OUT, UH, ON COLLECTOR AND, AND ARTERIALS.
SO, UM, FOR INSTANCE, WHERE SOME STREETS, LIKE TO GET TO A NEXT STREET MAY END UP HAVING TO GO ONTO A MAIN THIRD AREA.
LIKE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU COULD HAVE A 30, 35 MILE PER HOUR STREET TO GET TO BACK ACROSS.
THAT'S ALL A MATTER OF TIMING.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, POLICE OFFICER SEES YOU UTILIZING ANYTHING ABOUT 35 MILES AN HOUR, THEY CAN SITE VIEW.
BOB, YOU GET A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR THIS, OR WHAT'S THE CATALYST FOR IT? YEAH, WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL REQUESTS AS WELL AS DURING THE HURRICANE EVENT.
WE HAD PERMISSION FROM THE CHIEF AND ALL THAT TO, FOR SUPPORT DOWN THERE IN THE PINEHURST, WHICH WAS GREATLY AFFECTED BY THIS.
AND I VISIT OTHER COMMUNITIES OUTSIDE OF BAYTOWN THAT ALLOW THIS.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE, INSTEAD OF USING THEIR VEHICLES TO GO AROUND THE CORNER OR GO TO THE CONVENIENCE STORE, THEY CAN HOP ON THEIR GOLF CART.
SO I DRIVE AN F TWO 50 POWER STROKE, DIESEL.
HOW MANY GALLONS DOES IT TAKE FOR ME TO GO DOWN TO THE CONVENIENCE STORE? PROBABLY FIVE GALLONS,
SO, SO THE ONLY THING IS, IS, IS IS IT HAS TO BE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
CAN'T HAVE KIDS RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE STREET ON THESE THINGS.
AND IT, IT CAN'T BE LIKE A, I DON'T THINK THE MOTOR BIKE LIKE A FOUR WHEELER HONDA.
IT'S GOTTA BE LIKE A SIDE BY SIDE SIGN.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, UH, IN THE OTHER COMMUNITIES, A LOT OF WHAT I'VE SEEN, UH, JUST RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD HERE, JUST A FEW MILES ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT, UH, THE PEOPLE GET IN THESE GOLF CARTS AND THEY GO FROM DRIVEWAY TO DRIVEWAY AND VISIT.
SO IT'S A COMMUNITY THING, RATHER THAN HOPPING IN CARS AND DOING THAT.
SO LET ME ASK, NOT THAT I'M FOR OR AGAINST IT IN ANY WAY, BUT IF PEOPLE ARE DOING IT ALREADY, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE, WHERE THE ISSUE IS.
WELL, WE'RE ALREADY DOING IT RIGHT NOW.
THEY GET A TICKET FOR, HAVE THEY GOTTEN TICKETS? I DON'T KNOW.
I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANYBODY GETTING TICKETS.
BUT THEY'RE TOLD YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS ON THE CAR, ON THE, ON THE, THE ROAD.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT HOME HALF THE TIME.
I MEAN, MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S LOTS OF GOLF CARS AND THERE'S LOTS OF RUNNERS AND DRIVERS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW THAT, THAT I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THE GOLF CARTS.
UM, I JUST DON'T WANT TO CREATE ANOTHER LAW AND ORDINANCE THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ISSUE ALREADY.
YOU'RE JUST CREATING SOMETHING THAT'S A LEFT, THAT'S BEING DONE RIGHT NOW.
WELL, THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT.
YOU'RE ALCOHOL BICENTENNIAL 4TH OF JULY.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THEY'RE DOING IT AGAINST THE LAW.
IS IT AGAINST THE LAW? WELL, I KNOW IT WASN'T AGAINST THE LAW.
MY UNDERSTANDING, THIS IS YEARS AGO.
'CAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT UP MANY YEARS AGO.
SO YOU HAD TO BE WITHIN ONE MILE OF THE GOLF COURSE.
TWO MILES JUST TO GO TO THE GOLF COURSE.
AND IF YOU GO ANYWHERE ELSE, YOU GET, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GET A TICKET AND THEN GO TO COURT AND ALL THAT KIND OF GOOD STUFF.
AND SO THIS WILL ALLOW, THE ONLY, THE ONLY ISSUE I HAVE WITH IT IS NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE, I MEAN,
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I HATE TO GO AND HAVE TO PUT LICENSE PLATES ON GOLF CARTS NOW.NOW TO BE LEGAL, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS AND THIS.
THE CITY RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD THAT I'VE SEEN, THERE'S A LICENSE TAG ON THE BACK OF EVERY ONE OF THOSE GOLF CARTS THAT ARE ON THE ROAD.
AND IT'S, IT'S ISSUED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS.
SO IT'S LIKE GOING TO THE DMV.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO FIND OUT.
SO THE STATE HAS A LICENSE, JUST LIKE IF YOU WANT, BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA BE RIGHT ON THE ROAD, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE TO STATE THE CITIES THAT WE LOOKED AT ALSO ON A NON-RESIDENT RESIDE WHERE THEY, THEY GET A PERMIT FROM.
SEE NOW WHAT WE'RE CREATING NOW IS IN ORDER TO HAVE THE GOLF CART THAT PEOPLE ALREADY USING, NOW WE'RE CREATING A BUREAUCRATIC PROCESS FOR THEM TO DO WHAT THEY'RE ALREADY DOING.
WE DON'T NEED TO GIVE THEM A PERMIT.
WELL, THEY MAY NOT BE, I MEAN, NOT EVERYBODY, BUT THEY KNOW IT'S A ILLEGAL, PEOPLE ARE USING THEM.
SO WE'RE NOT ALREADY, WE'RE NOT GIVING TICKETS THAT I KNOW OF.
AND IS IT AN ISSUE OR NOT? IT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE ADDRESSED IT.
I THINK BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD PERSONALLY IS I WANT TO SEE, HAVE WE, HOW MANY TICKETS HAVE WE GIVEN FOR PEOPLE RIDING? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE NOT, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY MUNICIPAL COURT.
I SEE IT AS A KIND OF A NON-ISSUE.
BUT WE'RE SAYING, WELL, WE WANNA MAKE IT LEGAL SO PEOPLE CAN DO IT, BUT PEOPLE ARE ALREADY DOING IT.
THAT'S PART I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I I THINK THE PART IS WHETHER PEOPLE ARE DOING IT RIGHT NOW OR NOT, I MEAN, IT'S, THEY TECHNICALLY GET A TICKET.
SO IF WE, IF THEY COULD GET A TICKET, WELL, NO, THEY, WELL, THEY COULD, IF THEY'RE CAUGHT.
IF, IF THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN A TICKET, IT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN CAUGHT.
WELL, IT'S PRETTY EASY TO CATCH PEOPLE IN PINE HEARST AND WHISPERING PINES AND LAKE DRIVING OFF COURSE IF I CAN'T BEFORE.
WE'RE NOT EN, WHICH WE'VE TOLD THE POLICE COUNCIL MEMBER.
HOSKINS IS ALSO REFERRED TO THIS BEING KIND OF A SOCIALIZING, UH, INSTRUMENT.
THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO AREN'T BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE IT ON THE STREETS.
SO THIS, SO IF YOU'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE IT, THEN YOU WOULD NEED THE SO WE'RE OKAY IF IT, I GUESS I'M OKAY WITH IT.
I COULD, I COULD KIND OF SUPPORT IT.
IF SO, THIS WOULD BE MY UNDERSTANDING.
AND KAREN, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
SO, UM, THERE'LL BE ALLOWED TO BE, IT'LL BE RESIDENTIAL STREETS OR ANYTHING THAT'S 30 MILES PER HOUR OR LESS.
SO, SO IF IT'S 35, YOU CAN BE ON THE STREET.
NOW MY CONCERN WITH THE 30, THAT'S BIG DEAL, BECAUSE I DON'T, I REALLY DON'T WANNA SEE GOLF CARTS.
I DON'T WANNA SEE GOLF CARTS ON, THERE'S SOME STREETS THAT ARE 35.
SO YOU HAVE HUNT ROAD AT THE TIME, WHAT IS IT NOW? 40.
SO HUNT ROAD AT 35 MILES PER HOUR.
THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE AN ACCIDENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
MY ROAD'S NOT IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
BUT, BUT WE'RE SAYING IT'S GONNA BE ALLOWED ON 35 MILE PER HOUR STREETS OR LESS WHAT I WAS SAYING IN RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES.
AND ON ROADS, 35 MILES AN HOUR OR LESS, I SAY 30 MILES AN HOUR, WE CAN NO, I'M SAYING I CAN SUPPORT 30.
NO, I'M SAYING I CAN SUPPORT 30.
I THINK THAT'S ALL TEXAS STREETS.
AND LESS POSTAGE IS 30 MILE PROFIT, SAY 30.
BUT WHEN WE SAY 35, IT OPENS A CAN OF WORMS BECAUSE THE FIRST TIME SOMEBODY GOES ON A 30 MILE, MILE PER HOUR STREET AND THERE'S AN ACCIDENT OR LOSS OF LIFE, GUESS WHERE THEY'RE GONNA COME 30 WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR OUR, I, I LIKE CONFINING IT TO THE SPEED LIMIT INSTEAD OF RESIDENTIAL AREA.
'CAUSE I LIVE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, BUT ARCHER IS VAST AND I, AND THERE'S, THERE'S NO SIDE.
AND SO I WOULDN'T WANNA SEE GOLF CARTS IN THAT RESIDENTIAL AREA.
BUT I CAN SEE WHAT YOU MEAN, LIKE WHISPERING PINES OR PINEHURST.
SO I THINK IT DOES HAVE TO BE LIMITED TO A RESIDENTIAL.
SO IT NEEDS TO SAY, OKAY, SO RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL STREETS OR 30 MILES PER OR LESS, BECAUSE THERE'S STREETS THAT ARE 30 THAT ARE NOT RESIDENTIAL STREETS.
I MEAN, ISN'T ARCHER ROAD A RESIDENTIAL STREET? PROBABLY NOT ARCHER, NO.
AND SO YOU SAY RESIDENTIAL STREETS, IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY GONNA BE THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH IS FINE.
WELL, I KNOW THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T WANT 'EM GOING DOWN TO LOWELL'S TO GET LUMBER ON THE GOLF CART, BUT WILL THEY
OH, TWO LANES NOT GOT A BOULEVARD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
ALSO, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, UNDER STATE MALL GOLF CARTS CAN CROSS THE HIGHWAY, THE INTERSECTION, INCLUDING INTERSECTION WITH A HIGHWAY THAT HAS THE CLOSEST SPEED LIMIT ABOVE THE 35 MILES AN HOUR.
SO YOU, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO CROSS, OBVIOUSLY.
SO THAT WOULD ACROSS INTERSECTION, I WOULD SAY IF YOU DO INTERSECTION, I WOULD SAY, WELL, SO YOU COULD GO FROM WHISPERING PINES TO HOLLOWAY PARK.
SO IF YOU CONFINE IT TO RESIDENTIAL STREETS, EVEN IF FOR SOME REASON THEY COULD BE SOME RESIDENTIAL STREETS THAT HAVE A 35 MILE PER HOUR POSTED.
IT'S JUST, I THOUGHT MOST OF OURS ARE, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE 35.
WELL, THE, THE STATE OF TEXAS LAW FROM MY UNDERSTANDING IS IF, EVEN IF IT'S NOT POSTED, A RESIDENTIAL
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STREET IS 30 MILES PER HOUR POSTED OR NOT.I DIDN'T SAY IN THE ALL, THEY HAD TWO DIFFERENT APPROACHES BECAUSE PEOPLE ON THE WEST END YEAH.
DIDN'T WANNA LIVE UP TO THE BLINKERS AND THE SEAT BELTS.
AND THEY LET THE WEST END HAVE, HAVE IT WITHOUT THAT.
THAT WOULD BE VERY HARD TO MANAGE.
BLINKERS IN AN ORDINANCE TO HAVE IT WHERE YOU LIVE.
I THEY, I'M SURE THERE'S A SIMPLE DIVISION THAT THEY CAN DO ON THE WEST END AND EAST END BECAUSE OF THE, THE SEA WALL.
SO I WOULD SAY I'M FINE WITH 30 OLD RESIDENTIAL STREETS.
AND THEN SHE ALREADY CLARIFIED THAT YOU GOT CROSS THE STREET.
I GUESS IT WOULD, IT WILL LEGALIZE IT.
AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM A COMMUNITY SOCIALIZING STANDPOINT, WHICH THAT'S FINE.
I SEE PEOPLE, THEY RUN DOWN, THEY DRIVE UP AND DOWN MY STREET ALL THE TIME WITH THEIR GOLF CARTS.
NOW I'LL HAVE TO GET A GOLF CART.
BUT I, I SAY ALSO THAT IT HAS TO HAVE A TEXAS REGISTRATION ON THAT.
SEE, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IF THESE PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO DO THAT, THEY'LL GET, I THINK THEY HAVE TO BE A LICENSED DRIVER.
IT, IT'S LIKE, BECAUSE THAT'LL KEEP THE KIDS OFF THEIR CART.
IT HAS TO BE LICENSED THE STATE.
SO THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT.
REGARDLESS OF PUT OUR ORDINANCE OR NOT.
IF THEY WANNA DO THAT, IT'S THEIR BILL.
IT JUST, I'M TRYING TO, WE IT'S ALREADY STATE LAW.
AND IF THEY'RE GONNA WRITE IT, THEY'RE GONNA GO BY STATE LAW.
WE DON'T HAVE TO WRITE NEW RULES JUST RIGHT IN NEW ORDINANCE TO ALLOW IT FOLLOWING STATE LAW, FOLLOWING STATE LAW RELAT.
SO YOU COULD, I WILL TELL YOU, SO WHEN I WAS IN ST.
LOUIS, UM, I'M, I'M NOT ASKING Y'ALL TO DO THIS, BUT YOU CAN'T GET A DWI.
I OR YOU CAN'T GET, YOU CAN'T GET A DWI.
I CHARGE A, IF YOU'RE ON A GOLF CLUSTER AND YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE HOW MANY GOLF CARTS ARE THE FAR OH, I BELIEVE IT.
BUT ANYWAY, IT WAS IN THE, UH, RATHER THAT THEY BE DRIVING A GOLF CART CADET LIKE SOMETHING ELSE.
SRO I THINK IT'S A SRO DISTRICT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IT'S, ANYWAY, BUT IT'S BETTER THAN THEM GETTING IN A CAR DRIVING 55, 6 9.
SO THEY'RE STILL BEHIND WHEELS THOUGH.
SO WHAT THE THING WOULD BE, ONCE YOU HAVE THIS IN PLACE, AND SO YOU HAVE LITTLE JOHNNY AT 12 THAT TOOK THE GOLF CART OUT, NOW YOU, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO RIDE HIM A TICKET.
WHY IS THE 12-YEAR-OLD OUT THE ROAD? WHY DID I SAYING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, I'VE GONE BY THERE AND COME UP TO A STOP SIGN AND HERE COMES A CAR.
THEY, OR 12-YEAR-OLD ON A FOUR WHEELER AND THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS DRIVE GOLF CART.
WOULD YOU LIKE US TO PREPARE SOMETHING AND BRING IT BACK FOR I WOULD, I WOULD SAY PREPARE A DRAFT.
CAN YOU PREPARE A DRAFT, SEND IT TO COUNCIL AND SEE IF THEY HAVE ANYTHING.
I WOULDN'T HAVE TO PUT ON AGENDA JUST FOR, TO REVIEW.
OBVIOUSLY, MR. HOSKINSON, IT'S HIS IDEA.
WE REVIEW IT AND THEN WE GET ON AGENDA FOR PASSAGE.
WHAT ELSE? UH, THE LAST THING, I'M GONNA SEAT SOME TIME OVER TO FRANK AND HE'S GONNA ADDRESS, UH, I THINK IT'S ITEM EIGHT NN UH, WHICH IS THE, JUST TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF WAYS THAT WE CAN BID PROJECTS AT AND WHY WE WOULD CHOOSE ONE METHODOLOGY ABOVE ANOTHER.
I DO WANNA DISCUSS AN AGENDA ITEM TOO, IF WE COULD LEAVE ROOM FOR THAT.
FRANK, HOW LONG ARE YOU GONNA TAKE? LESS THAN 10 MINUTES.
THIS, THIS WAS DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY WITH THE A E OH, NO, HE FROZE.
THERE HE IS HE MOVING AGAIN? MAYBE HE WAS JUST BEING STILL NO, IT'LL, IT'LL, IT DOES SAY IT SHUTS IT DOWN.
SO JUST TECHNOLOGY IS NOT WHERE IT NEEDS TO.
CAN YOU STILL HEAR US? YEAH, THEY CAN STILL HEAR, SIR.
UM, AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF ITEM EIGHT N, WHICH ALLOWS THE CITY TO ACCEPT, UH, COMPETITIVE SEAL PROPOSALS FOR THE ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY THAT WILL BE, UH, SENDING OUT FOR CONSTRUCTION SUIT.
SO THIS WAS PRESENTED TO THE A E COMMITTEE BACK IN NOVEMBER, UM, ABOUT DIFFERENT ALTERNATE, UH, ALTERNATIVE, UH, DELIVERY METHODS.
JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW.
'CAUSE EACH TIME WE WANT TO PURSUE AN ALTERNATE, UH, DELIVERY METHOD, WE NEED TO COME BACK TO COUNSEL AND REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.
SO WE'LL SEE THIS, UH, MORE IN THE FUTURE.
UM, JUST TO START WITH, WHAT TYPE OF DELIVERY METHODS THAT WE CONSIDER? UM, THEY ARE MORE THAN THIS, BUT THIS IS JUST, UH, THE ONES THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING.
THE, UM, THERE'S THE TRADITIONAL WELL TELL YOU ABOUT, THERE'S THE TRADITIONAL, UH, DELIVERY METHOD, WHICH IS, UH, DESIGN BID BUILD, AND THAT'S THE ONE YOU'RE MOST FAMILIAR WITH.
THE CITY HIRES THE ENGINEER OR ARCHITECT WHO THEN DESIGNS A PROJECT.
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WE PUT IT OUT FOR BID, WE ACCEPT BIDS AND, UH, AWARDED TO THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER.UH, SO THE, THE EVALUATION IS JUST ON PRICE AS LONG AS THE BIDDER MEETS MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS.
UH, THEN WE GET INTO ALTERNATE DELIVERY METHODS, AND SOME OF THOSE INCLUDE COMPETITIVE SEAL PROPOSALS, WHICH YOU'RE CONSIDERING TONIGHT.
UH, AS WELL AS, UH, CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK AND DESIGN BUILD.
SO THESE ARE THE ONES I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.
UM, SO THE TRADITIONAL METHOD IS DESIGN, BID, BUILD, AND, UH, IT IS THE ONE WE USE ON MOST, WE, WE'VE USED ON OUR PROJECTS BECAUSE IT, IT IS THE SIMPLEST, IT, IT LENDS ITSELF TO PROJECTS THAT ARE MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, SIMPLE IN NATURE, NOT AS COMPLEX.
IT, UH, LIKE I SAY, AS LONG AS THE CONTRACTOR MEETS MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS, WE AWARD THE PROJECT BASED ON THE PRICE AND, AND THEN IT'S CONSTRUCTED.
UH, AND SO THIS IS THE TYPICAL CON, UH, CONTRACT RELATIONSHIP YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH.
WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH A DESIGN ENGINEER, AND THEN A SEPARATE CONTRACT WITH THE GENERAL CONTRACT.
SO THEN WE GET INTO THE ALTERNATE DELIVERY METHODS.
COMPETITIVE SEAL PROPOSAL, UH, IS ONE WHERE, UH, THE CITY WOULD PREPARE A REQUEST FOR A PROPOSAL THAT INCLUDES THE CRITERIA WE'RE GONNA USE TO MAKE OUR SELECTION AND THE WEIGHTED VALUES.
UM, AND SO, UH, IT'S A SIMILAR CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENT.
WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH A, A DESIGN ENGINEER OR ARCHITECT, AND THEN WE HAVE A SEPARATE CONTRACT WITH THE CONTRACTOR.
BUT THIS TIME THE SELECTION IS MADE BASED ON BEST VALUE RATHER THAN SIMPLY ON LOWEST PRICE.
AND SO, LIKE I SAY, WE HAVE TO PUT OUT THE CRITERIA THAT WE'RE GONNA USE TO EVALUATE THOSE PROPOSALS.
UH, THE ONE WE, UH, PUT FORWARD ON THIS ONE, THE ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY WILL BE, UH, 60% BASED ON PRICE AND 40% BASED ON QUALIFICATIONS OF THE CONTRACTOR.
SO WE CAN LOOK AT THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THE, THE PERSONNEL THEY'RE GONNA HAVE IN INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT, THEIR QUALIFICATIONS, AND LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PRICE OF COURSE, THE SCHEDULE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, UM, THEIR PRIOR HISTORY IN DELIVERING PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY ONES OF A SIMILAR NATURE.
AND I'LL TELL YOU ON, ON, YOU KNOW, THE ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY, IT'S GONNA BE, IT IS A SPECIALIZED TYPE OF A CONSTRUCTION.
SO WE WANT SOMEBODY WHO'S DONE THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS BEFORE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE, UH, YOU KNOW, PROPOSING THIS TYPE OF DELIVERY SO WE CAN GET THE BEST VALUE, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CONTRACT WITH THE LOWEST PRICE.
AND WE THINK IN THE LONG TERM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU CONSIDER CHANGE ORDERS AND, AND YOU KNOW, WORK THAT MAYBE IS NOT DONE RIGHT, IT, IT WILL GIVE THE BEST VALUE FOR THE CITY.
SO KEY DIFFERENCES, UM, YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE, UM, ON, YOU KNOW, THE COMPETITIVE SEAL PROPOSAL OR CSP AS IT'S CALLED.
UM, SO WE, WE TAKE THE QUALIFICATIONS AND WE TAKE THEIR PRICE PROPOSAL, THEIR SCHEDULED PROPOSAL, UH, AND THEN WE CAN NEGOTIATE WITH THE ONE THAT'S SELECTED AS THE, THE FIRM WE THINK IS THE BEST.
AND, YOU KNOW, BASED ON OUR SCORING CRITERIA.
SO ONCE WE SELECT THAT FIRM, WE CAN NEGOTIATE IF THINGS, UH, IF WE CAN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT, WE CAN GO DOWN TO THE NEXT, UH, QUALIFIED, UH, PROPOSAL.
AND THEN GETTING INTO THE NEXT FORM OF ALTERNATE DELIVERY METHOD IS CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK.
UM, IT'S, IT'S A SIMILAR, UH, CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENT.
WE STILL HIRE A DESIGN ENGINEER OR ARCHITECT, UH, BUT THEN INSTEAD OF BIDDING OUT THE PLANS AFTER THEY'RE DONE, WE HIRE A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS SO THAT THAT PERSON CAN, UM, EVALUATE AND, AND GET INPUT INTO THE DESIGN PROCESS.
AND SO IT'S A, IT'S A CONTRACTOR, BASICALLY SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS CONSTRUCTION REALLY WELL, AND THEY WILL, UH, YOU KNOW, EVALUATE THE DESIGN AS IT'S TAKING PLACE.
AND SO THEY GIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, ADVICE ON HOW CONSTRUCTABLE THE DESIGN IS.
SO JUST FOR EXAMPLE, IF, YOU KNOW, AN ARCHITECT SPECIFIES, YOU KNOW, UH, 13 FOOT WALLS IN A, IN A BUILDING OR IN A STRUCTURE AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE CONTRACTOR, ONCE IT GETS OUT THE BID, THE CONTRACTOR LOOKS AT IT AND SAYS, WELL, YOU KNOW, OUR STANDARD FORMS COME IN 12 FOOT SECTIONS.
AND SO TO BUILD A 13 FOOT WALL IS
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GONNA COST YOU MORE MONEY.SO INSTEAD OF WAITING UNTIL AFTER IT'S DESIGNED TO FIGURE THAT OUT DURING THE BIDDING PROCESS OR, UH, CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, WE'VE GOT A, A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER WHO'S GIVING INPUT IN THE DESIGN SAYING NO TO, TO MAKE IT MORE COST EFFECTIVE, LET'S DO IT THIS WAY.
AND THEY, THEY CAN GIVE INPUT ON DIFFERENT TYPES OF EQUIPMENT.
SO IT REALLY ENDS UP SAVING MONEY, YOU KNOW, DURING THE PROCESS.
HAVE WE EVER HAVE, WE, I MEAN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS.
HAVE WE EVER DID ANYTHING LIKE THIS YET? WE HAVE.
WE HAVE NOT DONE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT RISK OR COMPETITIVE SEAL PROPOSAL.
UH, THE ONE I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT AFTER THIS IS DESIGN BUILD AND THAT WE'VE DONE THAT, I THINK WITH THE HOTEL CONVENTIONS.
WELL I THINK WE DID SOMETHING ELSE BEFORE, BUT ANYWAY.
ALRIGHT, SO SIR, UM, I'D SAY THIS AND, AND THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER WE WOULD HIRE DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS.
SO, UM, AND THIS, THIS LENDS ITSELF TO PROJECTS THAT ARE MUCH MORE COMPLEX IN NATURE AND WE THINK IT WOULD FIT WELL WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING.
SO AS THAT DESIGN GETS TO ABOUT 30%, THEN WE WILL, UH, SEND OUT A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS FOR A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK AND, YOU KNOW, HIRE THAT PERSON.
SO HE'S, HE'S THERE DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS.
SO YOU WILL SEE THIS COMING UP, UH, FAIRLY SOON.
UH, LIKE I SAY, IT'S PROPOSED FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING BECAUSE WE THINK IT'S, THE PROJECT LENDS ITSELF TO, TO PAY FOR THAT.
YOU DO PAY A FEE TO THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS FOR HIS INPUT AND, AND CONSULTING.
UM, AND THEN ONCE IT GETS TO A FINAL STAGE OF DESIGN, SO ABOUT 90% YOU CAN GET A, THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER WILL GIVE YOU A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.
AND SO THAT REALLY LOCKS IN THE PRICE AT THAT POINT.
SO HE WILL THEN BID PARTS OF THE PROJECT THAT HE, HE WILL NOT CONSTRUCT HIMSELF.
BUT YOU'RE ALWAYS GUARANTEED THAT THE MAXIMUM PRICE SPECIFIED IS THE ONE THAT YOU'LL PAY UNLESS YOU CHANGE THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT.
WHICH CAN HAPPEN, BUT MM-HMM
WHAT'S HAPPENED IN ALL OUR OTHER PROJECTS, BUT A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, WE DISCOVER THINGS DURING THE RIGHT, DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, IF WE WOULD'VE HAD A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER OR CONTRACTOR GIVING INPUT AT THAT TIME, WOULDN'T YOU MINIMIZE THAT DONE TO DEATH? YEAH.
BUT YOU MINIMIZE THE, THE EXTENT OF THE CHANGE ORDERS WE DO.
AND, AND THESE CHANGE ORDERS WILL MOSTLY COME FROM EITHER CONDITIONS THAT YOU COULDN'T PROCEED, YOU KNOW, ANTICIPATE OR, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU JUST CHANGE YOUR MIND DURING THE PROCESS.
YOU WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT, COULD IT BE WHERE IN, IN THAT ARENA, LIKE THERE'S TIMES WE HAD A PROJECT AND THEN WE'VE HAD OPTIONAL LINE ITEMS, AND THEN ONCE THEY REALLY GO OUT TO BID, I MEAN, THEY BID ON THAT.
BUT LET'S SAY MARKETS CHANGE, MATERIALS CHANGE, MAYBE SOMETHING'S FAVORABLE WHERE WE CAN ADD, I MEAN, THAT WOULD STILL BE CHANGING THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT.
WE TRIED TO SECURE A GMP BEFORE WE WENT INTO CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE MAINLY IT'S A NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER.
AND SO THE NEXT ONE IS DESIGN BUILD.
AND THIS ONE, UH, IS, IS A BIT OF A DIFFERENT CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP.
UH, THE OWNER OF THE CITY WOULD JUST HAVE ONE CONTRACT AND THAT'S WITH THE DESIGN BUILDER.
AND, AND THAT FIRM WILL BOTH DESIGN THE PROJECT AND CONSTRUCT THAT'S GARFIELD IF THEY HAVE THAT CAPABILITY.
AND SO YOU HAVE THE ADVANTAGE.
THIS GIVES YOU SOME SCHEDULE ADVANTAGES.
IT'LL, YOU KNOW, UH, SINCE THE DESIGNER AND THE BUILDER ARE UNDER THE SAME UMBRELLA, THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, START CONSTRUCTING THINGS AS THEY'RE DESIGNED.
UM, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR PLANS TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT READY.
YOU CAN START, UH, CONSTRUCTING THINGS AS THEY'RE DESIGNED AND THAT HELPS YOU ON YOUR SCHEDULE.
UH, IT ALSO GIVES THE CITY, YOU KNOW, ONE ENTITY TO DEAL WITH.
SO THERE'S NO MORE OF THE FINGER POINTING OF, WELL IT'S THE ENGINEER'S FAULT, THIS IS WRONG, OR IS THE CONTRACTOR'S FAULT IT'S WRONG? YOU THE OWNER HAS ONE ENTITY TO GO TO AND, AND THAT, UH, PERSON OR ENTITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PROJECT.
SO THERE, THERE IS THAT ADVANTAGE.
SO THAT, THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT.
JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE DIFFERENT METHODS AND, YOU KNOW, LET YOU KNOW THAT, UH, YOU WILL SEE A LITTLE MORE OF THIS BECAUSE WE ARE DOING MORE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMPLEX IN NATURE.
AND LIKE I SAY, THESE, THESE METHODS LEND THEMSELVES TO THOSE TYPES OF PROJECT.
AND, AND SOMETIMES I THINK IT, MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S ALSO THE, THE, UM, KIND OF THE VALUE OF THE PROJECT.
I MEAN IT LIKE MANAGER AT RISK, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT'S GONNA BE FOR SOMETHING, IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING A LARGE SCALE.
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NOT GONNA BE A, YOU KNOW, MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT.THERE'S JUST, THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH BUILDINGS OR PLANTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
POLICE ADMIN BUILDINGS, STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THIS ON A BORDERLINE PROJECT.
WHAT, WHAT DID YOU SAY YOU, WE MIGHT USE ON THE POLICE STATION? POLICE FIRE, UH, CONSTRUCTION MANAGER.
I WAS GONNA, I WAS WONDERING, I THOUGHT MAYBE WE'RE TOO FAR DOWN THAT PATH, BUT IF WE'RE NOT, THAT'S FINE.
I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA RELATED TO THE CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
I HAVE TWO THINGS I WANNA TALK ABOUT.
THE FIRST ONE IS, UM, I, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH MAKING THE, UH, COMMITTEE AN OFFICIAL CITY COMMITTEE, BUT WHAT I SAW LACKING IN THE AGENDA ITEM AND THE ATTACHMENTS WAS WHO'S ON IT? UM, THE CHARTER, WHAT ARE TERM LIMITS? HOW MANY APPOINTEES DOES THESE DISTRICT GET? I SAW THAT THERE'S 25 SEATS AND ONLY 17 FIELDS.
SO LIKE WHERE DO THOSE OTHER EIGHT COME FROM? UM, WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR STAYING ACTIVE? SO YOU'RE ON IT TODAY, BUT THREE YEARS FROM NOW THAT NO ONE'S EVER HEARD FROM YOU AGAIN.
WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR REMOVING YOU? SO I'M, I'M LACKING SOME OF THOSE DETAILS AND IT'S OKAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE THEM TONIGHT TO VOTE ON THE ITEM, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE RECEIVE THOSE BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD FURTHER WITH THAT COMMITTEE.
AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS, UM, YOU MEAN LIKE APPROVE THE COMMITTEE BUT THERE'S STILL SOME FILL IN THE BLANKS THAT YOU WANNA BE MADE AWARE? YEAH.
I WANNA SEE WHAT KAREN, SO THE TERM IS ON YOUR TERMS. SO THAT'S SPECIFIED IN HERE THAT THE AMOUNT, OR WE DON'T HAVE BYLAWS PER SE FOR ANY OF OUR, OUR COMMITTEES.
YOU ESTABLISH THEIR PURPOSES AND THEIR RULES.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S YOU, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO FOR TONIGHT.
UM, THE CURRENT MEMBERS, THEIR CURRENT BYLAWS SINCE THEY WERE A MAYOR, A COMMITTEE APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR, UH, THEIR BYLAWS SAID THAT IT WAS UP TO 25 PEOPLE.
THEY ONLY HAVE 17 SERVING, I THINK 16 WAY CONTINUE TO SERVE MM-HMM
UM, HOW THOSE APPOINTMENTS ARE MADE.
THAT'S ALSO UP TO COUNSEL AND NOT, SO THAT'S, SO IS THAT SOMETHING WE SHOULD DISCUSS ON THE D KAREN? SO WHEN YOU SAID, UM, THE RULES OR THE BYLAWS IS SOMETHING WE DETERMINE, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO TONIGHT? YEAH.
THERE'S NO BYLAWS NECESSARILY FOR ANY OF OUR BOARDS AND CONDITIONS.
ALL WE HAVE IS SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE IS PRESENTED TO YOU TONIGHT.
DO YOU WANNA BE MORE SPECIFIC ON ANYTHING? WE CAN MAKE CHANGES TO IT HOWEVER YOU DESIRE.
THIS WAS KIND OF TAKEN FROM THEIR BYLAWS.
IS IT ON THERE? NO, THERE ARE NO BYLAWS.
NONE OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS HAVE BYLAWS, BUT, AND UM, RICK, YOU AND I DISCUSSED THE CCPD WHERE I FELT THAT WAS KIND OF VAGUE, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO ME TRYING TO REAPPOINT SOMEONE THAT LEFT.
AND SO EVEN IF WE CREATE SOMETHING WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND TWEAK.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.
SO WELL WE'RE, TONIGHT THE NIGHT WE TALK ABOUT WHAT WE, I THINK WE'RE WANT SPECIFICALLY FROM THIS, SO WE'RE FORMALIZING THIS IN A SENSE, KIND OF A AD HOC TO A, A TRUE STANDING CITY OF BAYTOWN COMMITTEE.
THAT'S THE ACTION ITEM TONIGHT.
UM, I THOUGHT WE DID HAVE A CHART.
THEY HAD A CHARTER AMONGST THE COMMITTEE.
THEY ESTABLISHED SOME BYLAWS THEY HAVE, BUT THOSE ARE FOR THE MAYORS, WHATEVER THOSE, AND PART OF MAKING IT A MORE FORMAL COMMITTEE, THOSE WILL GO AWAY AND THEIR CHARGE WILL BE PURSUANT TO THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS ATTACHED.
SO THEY HAD SOME, BUT THAT WAS FOR THAT.
LET, LET ME GIVE A MORE SPECIFIC EXAMPLE.
UM, SO I KNOW THAT THE MEETING THAT Y'ALL HELD WITH THEM THIS WEEK, IT WAS, UM, SUGGESTED THAT BEING PART OF THE COMMITTEE AND BEING PART OF THE CONSTRUCTIVE PROCESS THAT THIS COMMITTEE'S PURPOSE IS THAT YOU PARTICIPATE IN SOMETHING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHETHER IT BE A RIDE ALONG OR THEIR SIMULATION TRAINING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND I WAS TOLD THAT THAT DID NOT GO OVER WELL WITH THE COMMITTEE AND IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE WOULD, WAS RECEIVED VERY WELL.
WELL, THEY THOUGHT I SAID ALL THREE, BUT I DID SAY I GAVE 'EM EXAMPLES AND THEY THOUGHT IT WAS ALL THREE.
I I DON'T KNOW IF I SAID IT WRONG OR NOT, OR CHARLES WAS THERE, BUT NO, BUT AFTERWARDS I SAID IF, IF THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL HEARD, THAT WAS AN ERROR OR ON ME.
SO FOR ME, I THINK IT'S, IM, IT'S IMPORTANT, LIKE IF YOU'RE GOING TO PROPOSE CHANGE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU SHOULD HAVE VERY THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND SO IF, SO I GUESS I'M WANTING, I I DON'T WANT THEM TO JUST, I DON'T WANNA JUST BE JUST THIS MM-HMM
FREE FOR ALL MADE UP COMMITTEE.
I, I'M LOOKING FOR STRUCTURE AND I GUESS I'M NOT SEEING IT.
PIGGYBACKING OFF OF WHAT YOU SAID, I SPOKE WITH RICK ABOUT THIS.
I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING FOR THE SIMPLE FACT WE'RE GONNA BE ASKING OF THIS COMMITTEE, WHAT WE'RE NOT ASKING OF ANY OTHER COMMITTEE
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IN THE CITY.THERE SHOULD BE A HIGHER STANDARD WITH THAT HIGHER STANDARD.
UM, THERE SHOULD BE A KNOWING THAT YOU'RE COMMITTING TO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT BEEN DONE BEFORE IN THIS CITY.
AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING ABOUT CHANGE, YOU NEED TO BE KNOWLEDGEABLE OF THE ORGANIZATION THAT YOU ARE FOCUSING ON.
AND SO I'M RIGHT THERE WITH YOU.
THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL WE TRY TO TELL 'EM.
I SAID, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THERE'S, THERE'S FAST TRAINING, THERE'S THE SIMPSON POLICE ACADEMY, THERE'S A RIDE ALONG, THERE'S MM-HMM
EVEN MAYBE WE JUST DO KIND OF A, YOU GO OUT THERE AND YOU GET A TOUR, UH, YOU GET A TOUR OF THE FACILITY, YOU TALK TO THE, YOU KNOW, POLICE FOLKS.
BUT, UM, I WOULD AGREE THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA SERVE IN A CAPACITY, UH, ALTHOUGH YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA DICTATE POLICY.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF, OF, AT LEAST IN GENERAL PO POLICING.
SO WHEN DO WE HAMMER OUT THOSE DETAILS TONIGHT? YOU CAN MENTION, YOU CAN, YOU CAN, I THINK YOU CAN MENTION THAT AS I WOULD THINK YOU COULD SAY THAT AS PART OF THIS COMMITTEE THAT WOULD BE, AND A REQUIREMENT TO ATTEND SOME TYPE OF POLICE ACTIVITY TO BE DEFINED BY THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE.
I'M NOT MISSING THE, NO, I THINK THAT'S GOOD, BUT I ALSO THINK WE SHOULD LOOK INTO ATTENDANCE ALSO.
WELL, ALL OF OUR, MOST OF OUR BOARDS ARE ATTENDANCE.
IS THE LIST OF ATTENDEES ON THE ATTACHMENT? I CAN BRING IT.
NO, IT'S, WE DIDN'T HAVE IT AT THE TIME THAT WE POSTED COUNCIL MEMBER FENTON COURT.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO BRING IT IN TO YOU.
AND SO WHO'S ON IT NOW? HOW MANY VACANCIES? LIKE ALL THAT'S OUT THERE FOR US.
SO WE ONLY HAVE THE LIST OF THE 16 WHO HAVE REQUESTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH APPOINTMENT.
LIKE KAREN SAID, THE RESOLUTION ALLOWS YOU UP TO 25.
UM, WHICH CAN BE APPOINTED BY THE COUNCIL.
I WILL SAY THAT THE LARGER THE, UH, COMMITTEES GET, THE MORE DIFFICULT IT IS TO, UM, MANAGE AS IT RELATES TO QUORUM.
WELL, I THINK WHAT, I'M SORRY IF THAT'S THE CASE, LET, LEMME GO GET THAT.
PLEASE THINK THERE STILL 25, WE HAVE 16 WHO HAVE COMMITTED.
WHY NOT MAKE IT AN ODD NUMBER ONE MORE PERSON.
SO IF THEY HAVE TO, WE CAN CHANGE IT NOW DISCUSS.
WE DON'T, LET'S LOOK TO SEE WHO WE HAVE FIRST.
WELL, AND I THINK THERE'S A GOOD, I THINK WE NEED TO FIND A GOOD BALANCE OF PERSPECTIVES TOO.
WELL, BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS DIFFERENT, CHARLES.
SOME OF OUR COMMITTEES REPRESENT THE DEMOGRAPHIC BREAKDOWN OF OUR WORK COMMUNITY.
I THINK SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE.
IF THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EVEN BEEN HEARD OF KAREN.
UM, YOU, YOU MAY HAVE SOME INPUT ON THIS.
INSTEAD OF, WE, WE COULD DO DEMOGRAPHIC, WHY DON'T WE DO A REVERSE DEMOGRAPHIC ABOUT APPOINTMENTS? MEANING WHOEVER IS THE LESSER MINORITY HAS A HIGHER REPRESENTATION ON IT ON THERE.
OR WHY DON'T WE LOOK AT, SINCE THE THING THAT'S BEEN, WHAT BROUGHT THIS TO THE FOREFRONT IN THE FIRST PLACE WAS POLICING ISSUES AND COMPLAINTS.
WHY DON'T, IF WE ARE ABLE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT A DEMOGRAPHIC BREAKDOWN OF, UH, THANK YOU COMPLAINTS FILED BY PEOPLE, WHY NOT FILL THE COMMITTEE WITH THAT BREAKDOWN? ALSO, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE AS SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
AND I, I, I THINK, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD.
I SEE A BASIS TO IT, CHARLES, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I JUST DON'T, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO MANAGE TO THAT LEVEL TO SAY, DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT, WELL, THE EXACT PERCENTAGE, BUT, BUT, BUT I KNOW WHAT YOU, I AGREE WITH YOU.
I HAD AN APPOINTMENT AND WHEN OTHER APPOINTMENTS CAME UP, WHEN IT WAS FILLED, I WAS TOLD I HAD TO FIND SOMEONE OF A CERTAIN DEMOGRAPHIC AREA.
AND AFTER IT WAS FILLED, MY APPOINTMENT HAD TO BE CHANGED BECAUSE OF THE FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS, BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO IT'S NOT THAT EVEN IF IT'S DIFFICULT, WE SHOULD NOT CONSIDER DOING SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S DIFFICULT.
NO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GONNA BE SOMEONE OF STAFF IS GONNA HAVE TO MANAGE THAT MIX AND THAT THEY'RE ALREADY MEDICINE MANAGING IT WITH CDVG.
SO WHERE DOES IT SIT ON HERE? IT'S A ONE YEAR COMMITMENT.
IT'S ON RESOLUTION ALSO JUST, YEAH, BECAUSE I MEAN, UH, ALSO JUST SAID THIS RESOLUTION DOES SAY MINORITY GROUPS WILL AT LEAST BE A REPRESENTED AT AMENDMENT PORTION TO THEIR CITYWIDE AND PERCENTAGE REPRESENTATION.
THAT'S, THAT'S WE ALL THE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS DO A FEW THINGS ON THE 25 OR 16 OR WHATEVER.
UH, JUST SO YOU KNOW WHAT, WELL, BECAUSE THEY'RE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
I MEAN, THEY COULD TAKE, THEY CAN TAKE WHAT YOU WANNA CALL A VOTE, BUT IT'S, IT'S JUST A VOTE OF CONSENSUS.
THERE'S NO LIKE, OH, IT PASSED IN A, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? MM-HMM
BUT THAT THEY CAME UP TO A CONSENSUS.
NOW MY UNDERSTANDING, SO LOOK AT IT LIKE THIS, UM, ALMOST
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LIKE HJC, WHICH IS 35.SO YOU'LL HAVE A CHAIR AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE FOUR SUB CHAIRS IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
AND THEN YOU MAY HAVE MULTIPLE, YOU'LL HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE AFTER THAT.
YOU'LL JUST HAVE 20 OTHER PEOPLE.
THEY'RE ALL CONSIDERED LIKE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TYPE FOLKS.
SO THESE ARE KIND OF REALLY YOUR ONLY FIVE THAT ARE KIND OF IN CHARGE OF ANYTHING AFTER THAT.
IT'S JUST KIND OF A GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
SO HOW ARE WE, HOW IS OUR INPUT GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON WHEN WE PICK? WELL, MY SUGGESTION, I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM ME, I GUESS.
'CAUSE WHEN IT WAS CREATED, IT, IT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T, UM, TRYING TO BALANCE ANYTHING.
IT WAS TRYING TO GET PEOPLE, PEOPLE FROM PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT DID NOT HAVE A HAVE A, A FORUM TO, TO, TO, TO VOICE CONCERN.
SO IT IT, LIKE YOU SAY IT WAS, IT'S KIND OF LEANING TOWARD, UM, A VERY LARGE MINORITY GROUP.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF JUST THE OPPOSITE.
SO YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD HAVE, I MEAN IN THIS CASE, YOU'D HAVE TO ADD A LOT OF ANGLOS IN A SENSE, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO LOOK FOR BALANCE.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE COULD DO IS WE KNOW THE 16 WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY KNOW A BREAKDOWN OF THEM.
AND THEN IF WE WANT TO GET TO 25, WHICH DOESN'T MATTER, THEN WE WOULD, THAT'D GIVE THROUGH US NINE APPOINTMENTS AND WE CAN DIVVY THAT UP HOW Y'ALL WANT, Y'ALL EACH GOOD AN APPOINTMENT, I GET THREE OR, UH, Y'ALL GET AN APPOINTMENT, I GET AN APPOINTMENT AND THE CITY MANAGER GETS TWO.
SO, BUT THEN GOING FORWARD, SO LOOK AT HOW ARE WE GOING TO, COULD ANYONE BE, COULD ANYONE FILL ANY OF THE OTHER SEATS AFTER A YEAR IF WE HAVE HALF OF 'EM AND DECIDE THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO BE ON IT ANYMORE? YEAH, I COULD.
UM, SO I THINK WHEN WE'RE ON THE DIET, WE NEED TO ADD IN YEAH.
SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I MEAN ABOUT PARTICIPATION REQUIRES YOU TO DO X, Y, Z WELL YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ATTENDANCE.
UM, YOU COULD HAVE, IF Y'ALL PUT A REQUIREMENT FOR, YOU GOTTA PARTICIPATE IN SOME TYPE OF POLICE EDUCATION.
UH, I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO TONIGHT IS GET THIS ESTABLISHED RIGHT.
AND LET THEM WORK ON THE DRAFT TO PRESENT IT TO US TO HAVE ALL THIS, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO MAKE A NOTE CAN COME, WE CAN COME BACK WITH THE REQUIREMENTS.
AND I GUESS THAT WAS COME BACK WITH A FINISHED FORM.
AND I GUESS THAT WAS MY INITIAL QUESTION.
LIKE, I DON'T MIND IF MAKING THIS AN OFFICIAL COMMITTEE, BUT WHEN DO WE HASH OUT THE DETAILS? BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT TONIGHT IN THE FUTURE.
SO THE DETAILS ARE KIND OF HERE.
SO IF THERE'S MORE DETAILS, LIKE IF WE WANNA HAVE THEM PARTICIPATE, HAVE SOME SORT OF QUALIFICATION, PARTICIPATE IN ONE, WELL DO IT TONIGHT OR IN THE FUTURE.
LIKE SAYING TONIGHT CREATE, SHE'S SAYING DO IT TONIGHT.
WELL, I I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT TONIGHT.
I WANT TO THINK ABOUT THIS FIRST.
SO I THINK WE ESTABLISH IT TONIGHT.
AND THEN ON THE NEXT MEETING OR THE NEXT MONTH, WE, WE CAN EXPAND ON IT.
WE HASH OUT THE DETAILS AND, AND PUT IT IN.
WE CAN DO IT IN A WORK SESSION BECAUSE I'M ALREADY GETTING EMAILS ON PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED.
I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE CAN HAVE, UH, NOT JUST DEMOGRAPHICS, BUT WHAT DISTRICT THEY BELONG TO MM-HMM
IF WE'RE CAPPED AT TWO MEMBERS, THEN MAYBE THOSE TWO ALREADY ARE ON THE COMMITTEE.
I, I WOULD SAY, SAY THESE ARE AT LARGE.
I WOULD SAY THESE WERE AT LARGE ORIGINALLY.
SO I WOULD KEEP 'EM, I MEAN THEY'RE JUST AT LARGE SEATS WHERE, WHERE, SO WE'RE ADDING ADDITIONAL THAT ARE, WELL, WE CAN DISTRICT POINTED IF WE WANNA DO NINE, I WOULD BREAK.
WE WE HAVE BE, THERE'LL BE NINE.
SO THAT WOULD GIVE US, IF WE DO SEVEN FROM COUNCIL, TWO FROM CITY MANAGER.
WOULD Y'ALL AGREE WITH THAT? IN THE SENSE AND JUST THE POINT THAT LEDDY MADE, Y'ALL PROBABLY HEARD ABOUT 25.
YOU, YOU RUN INTO QUORUM ISSUES.
THE BIGGER THE COMMITTEE GETS, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING TOGETHER.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT I, I, I HONESTLY FEEL 25 IS TOO MANY MEMBERS.
WE MAY ALREADY HAVE PARTICIPATION FROM THE, THE PIS FORUM.
WELL I, ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU DESCRIBED, THERE'S GONNA BE A BREAKDOWN OF LIKE SUBCOMMITTEE.
YEAH, THAT'D BE MY, THERE'S GONNA BE SUBCOMMITTEES IN HERE.
BUT LIKE THEY WAS SAYING TO MAKE A FORUM, IF YOU SCHEDULE A MEETING, YOU HAVE 25 AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE HOW MANY TO, TO HAVE A QUORUM.
WHAT'S THE NUMBER? WELL, THEY'LL THEY'LL NEED 13.
HOW MANY PEOPLE DID WE HAVE HERE ON? UM, WELL THERE WAS ONLY, WELL THERE'S ONLY, THERE WAS, THERE WAS, THERE WAS 17 I THINK.
I MEAN THERE WERE ALMOST WERE ALL, THEY WERE EITHER THERE AND, AND ON ZOOM.
SO WE, I MEAN WE PRETTY MUCH HAD IT BECAUSE WE ONLY HAD 17, WE HAD LIKE 16.
I THINK THE DEDICATION OF THESE PEOPLE WILL BE A LOT MORE RATHER THAN SOMEBODY DECIDING TO PUT A SIDEWALK THROUGH THE WOODS.
BUT YOU COULD ALSO HAVE, IF YOU'RE BREAKING IT UP INTO SUBCOMMITTEES, CAN YOU NOT HAVE LIKE A SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIR AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA BE THE VOTING PERSON.
THERE IS, WHEN I TALK TO GINA AFTER, THAT'S HOW SHE EXPLAINED IT.
BECAUSE THEIR MEETING, MEETING OUR DISCUSSIONS, CONSENSUS ISSUES.
SO, SO I THINK ONCE YOU, UH, MAKE IT REQUIRE THAT POLICE EXPERIENCE REQUIRED GATHERING MY IMPRESSIONS FROM, FROM THE OTHER NIGHT, YOU, YOU'LL PROBABLY HAVE, UH, QUITE A FEW THAT
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MAYBE DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE.THEY WERE, AND THAT'S, THEY'RE PRETTY SENSITIVE TO THAT ISSUE IT SEEMED LIKE TO ME.
WELL, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S, UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S AN OVERREACH TO REQUIRE SOMEBODY TO, TO GET EDUCATION ON POLICE, JUST POLICE EDUCATION.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GONNA GO AND TRY TO, TO DETERMINE PROCEDURE AND TRAINING, YOU SHOULD AT LEAST WALK IN THEIR SHOES.
THEY DON'T DETERMINE IF THEY, THEY RECOMMEND WELL THEY'RE GONNA RECOMMEND IT.
BUT YEAH, YOU, YOU HAVE TO HAVE, I MEAN YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO AT LEAST PARTICIPATE IN SOMETHING.
I'LL GIVE YOU A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT.
GOING THROUGH THAT FACTS THAT THE POLICE OFFICERS DO THAT IS, I LEARNED A LOT THAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH HUNDREDS OF A SECONDS OH YEAH.
OF LIFE AND DEATH OF THE ONLY POLICE OFFICER.
I THINK WE ALL SHOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT.
I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
I DID HAVE ONE MORE POINT ON THE COMMITTEES THAT I WANTED TO MAKE BEFORE WE MAKE IT QUICK OUTTA TIME.
SO SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMITTEES, I FEEL LIKE I'M STILL IN THE PURVIEW OF THE AGENDA ITEM.
SO I HAVEN'T HAD TO MAKE A LOT OF APPOINTMENTS YET.
'CAUSE THIS IS ONLY MY THIRD YEAR.
SO I STILL HAVE A LOT OF CARRYOVER FROM MY PREDECESSOR, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE STARTING TO COME UP AND SO I'M LOOKING AT THEM MORE NOW THAN I I HAVE BEFORE.
AND, AND IT, IT, I'M LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES AND WHAT THEIR PURPOSE ARE AND WHO'S ON 'EM.
AND THE COUPLE THINGS I'M NOTICING IS, CAN I STOP YOU THERE? THAT IS KIND OF OFF TOPIC.
SO ALSO WANTED JUST TO GET CLARIFICATION FIRST.
SO WE DO HAVE SOME, UH, OF THE REQUIREMENTS HERE.
IT DOESN'T GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL YOU'VE GOT A RED LINE AT YOUR PLACE.
SO THAT MEANS THAT THE NEXT MEETING YOU CAN COME BACK AND AMEND IT IF YOU WANT TO.
OR YOU CAN JUST GIVE STAFF THE DIRECTION TO, SO GIVE YOU A NEW ONE AT THE NEXT.
WHAT YOU MIGHT WANNA DO TO IS HOLD OFF ON YOUR APPOINTMENTS, UM, IF YOU ARE GONNA PUT SOME REQUIREMENTS IN THERE IN CASE SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT MAYBE SAID THAT THEY DO WANT TO SERVE.
IF, IF, YOU KNOW, THAT CHANGES BASED ON WHATEVER QUALIFICATIONS THAT YOU ALL DECIDE.
AND LIKE WHEN WE, THE QUESTION WAS, UM, WHEN IT CAME OUT THE OTHER DAY WHEN WE HAD A DISCUSSION, OBVIOUSLY KAREN WAS THERE WAS WHEN THIS IS GOING IN EFFECT AND, AND WE DIDN'T WANNA MAKE IT TOO SOON 'CAUSE WE SAID TO GET NOW THESE PEOPLE WILL BE WHOEVER'S ON THIS, THIS COMMITTEE WILL BE SUBJECT TO TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, PUBLIC INFORMATION, ANYTHING LIKE ANY, AND THERE'S SOME ORIENTATION THAT STILL NEEDS TO NO, NO.
AND SO, SO THERE WAS, WE, WE NEED A LITTLE KIND OF, UH, I GUESS TRYING RACE PERIOD IN A SENSE TO GET SOME THINGS ESTABLISHED.
AND ONE FINAL QUESTION, AT LEAST FROM ME, UM, CAN WHY I KNOW THERE WERE, THERE WAS A POLICE OFFICER ON, ON THE COMMITTEE ORIGINALLY MM-HMM
AND WILL THERE BE ANOTHER ONE APPOINTED? AND, AND MY THING IS TO REALLY CREATE MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE AND WHEN YOU WANT BOTH PARTIES TO COME TO A CONSENSUS, I REALLY FEEL THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AN OFFICER AT THE TABLE.
THERE HAVE BEEN TWO AND THOSE PROBABLY WOULD BE MY APPOINTMENT.
SO THERE WILL BE, SO THEY HAVE NO VOTING RIGHTS, BUT THEY'RE THERE.
I, I'M NOT GOOD WITH THAT, BUT I JUST FEEL THAT OH, ABSOLUTELY.
WELL, AND, BUT I WANT, I WANT TO, I WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING ON THAT.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT THE CITY MANAGER GETS TWO APPOINTMENTS, RIGHT? OH, I'M VOTING.
WELL, I WOULD THINK THAT PERSONALLY, I THINK THE POLICE CHIEF, AT LEAST THE POLICE CHIEF IS, IS AN EX-OFFICIO.
SO YOU'RE CONSIDERING, BUT I WOULD SAY HE, HE'S ALREADY AN EX-OFFICIO, WOULD NOT BE AN APPOINTMENT, WOULD STILL HAVE TWO.
UM, AND SO, SO REGULAR STREET PATROL, SOMEBODY THAT'S ON THE STREETS MM-HMM
I WOULD, UH, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY THE BEST THING TO DO WOULD BE LET THE, UH, BMPA MAKE AN APPOINTMENT TO REPRESENT THEM.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD HAVE TO, YOU COULD COME UP WITH THE CHIEF COULD COME UP WITH A POLICY AND YOU REALLY WANT BUY-IN FROM YOUR RANK AND FILE, NOT JUST YOUR BRASS, BUT ALSO THAT'S GONNA HELP WITH THE RELATIONSHIP BECAUSE THOSE ARE EX OFFICIOS.
ARE Y'ALL GOOD WITH THAT? I'M VERY GOOD WITH THAT.
YOU WERE GONNA SAY SOMETHING ELSE? NO.
UM, THERE WAS SOME, SHE, SHE, THEY BROUGHT UP MY QUESTION.
THEY BROUGHT UP MY QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND ALL OF THAT AND THAT I WANTED TO SHOW A LISTING OF WHAT DISTRICTS THESE CURRENTLY, EVEN THOUGH THAT YOU'RE AT LARGE, I STILL WANNA SEE A BREAKDOWN OF THE I'M, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE CONTACT INFORMATION.
I'LL WORK ON COMPILING THAT FOR YOU.
UH, BECAUSE I CAN EYEBALL IT AND GUESSTIMATE I'LL TAKE CARE OF IT FOR YOU.
I MEAN I DON'T, I MEAN I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT SHOULD LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
IS THAT GONNA BE A DETERMINATION ON, ON HOW YOU APPOINT? NOT NECESSARILY, BUT I THINK IT, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SEE WHO WE HAVE ON THE COMMITTEE.
DISTRICT ONE, TWO, I'LL TELL YOU THAT VERY HEAVY DISTRICT.
THAT'S, I SAID WE NEED MORE APPOINTMENTS FROM, FROM OUTSIDE.
ARE ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT THAT INFORMATION? NO, I THINK TO BE TRANSPARENT,
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I THINK IT'S I'LL INFORMATION STAFF WILL WORK ON THAT FOR YOU MA'AM.ONE IN REGARDS TO THIS, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE AND CLEAR THAT THIS IS STRICTLY ADVISORY.
THEY CAN REVIEW POLICY AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT THEY DON'T DICTATE THINGS THAT'S CORRECT.
TO POLICE CHIEF, TO CITY MANAGER TO COUNCIL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AREN'T ALL THE COMMITTEES LIKE THAT, ALL ADVISORY COMMITTEES LIKE THAT? WELL, NO.
THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE IN THE DIALOGUE I'VE HEARD IS THAT THIS, A GROUP LIKE THIS WILL, WILL DICTATE CERTAIN THINGS AND I'M NEVER, I WILL NEVER AGREE TO THAT.
THAT'S BEEN CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING, I THINK.
DO WE ACTUALLY NEED THIS MEETING AS A.