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AND I'LL CALL THIS MEETING OF THE BAYTOWN CITY CO COUNCIL WORK SESSION OF ORDER.IT IS 5:34 PM AND WE ARE IN THE, THE, UH, BAYTOWN CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
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WE HAVE ITEM ONE EIGHT, DISCUSS THE FACE OPENING PLANS FOR, UH, BOTH PRIVATE DEBATE AND CALYPSO CODE.OKAY, MR. DAVIS, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, IT IS MORE THAN A PLEASURE TO BE HERE WITH YOU TODAY.
UM, MORE AND MORE THINGS ARE LOOKING NORMAL OUT THERE, AND I'M GLAD TO, TO BE HERE.
AND WE HAVE TWO VERY IMPORTANT, UH, WORK CITY ISSUES THAT, UH, AND ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO, UH, TALK TO YOU ABOUT TODAY.
THE FIRST ONE, UM, IS, UM, A LITTLE SOBERING.
I'M JUST GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE, UH, PREP FOR, AND IT REQUIRES US TO, UH, UH, REALLY COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTIONS, BOTH SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM.
AND, UH, WITH REGARD TO DEALING WITH OUR PIRATE SPACE SITUATION.
AS YOU KNOW, PIRATES BAY, GREAT COMMUNITY ASSET, BUT IT'S BEEN FACING THE HEADWINDS OF INCREASED COMPETITION, UH, NOT SO GREAT WEATHER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
UM, WE'VE BEEN STRICTER IN TERMS OF OUR ENFORCEMENT OF, UH, UH, MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY.
AND OF COURSE, THE SCHOOL, UH, SEASON, UH, STARTS EARLIER, UH, CONSIDERABLY, WHICH, UH, WHICH ACTUALLY ELIMINATE A LOT OF OUR CUSTOMER BASE AND OUR EMPLOYEE WORKFORCE AS WELL FOR, UH, PROBABLY ABOUT A SIXTH OF OUR SEASON, MAYBE EVEN A CLOSER TO A QUARTER.
SO BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, WE HAVE BEEN STRUGGLING, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO TAKE UP PRICES.
WE'RE GOING THROUGH A REBRANDING STRATEGY.
WE HOPE TO, UH, WELL, WE WILL BE, UH, UH, CONVENING, UH, TO TALK ABOUT, UH, LONG-TERM STRATEGY, HOW TO MAXIMIZE REVENUE INSIDE OF THE PARK.
I KNOW THE MAYOR AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.
SOME OF YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
UH, BUT RIGHT NOW, REGARDLESS OF ALL THAT, UH, THE, THE COVID-19, UH, SITUATION AND THE CURRENT EMERGENCY THAT WE'RE UNDER HAS, UH, CERTAINLY BEEN PRONOUNCED, UH, IN TERMS OF OUR CURRENT OPERATIONS, OUR DECISIONS, UH, TO OPEN, AS YOU KNOW, AND AS I EMAILED YOU LAST TUESDAY, THE GOVERNOR, UH, HAS DECIDED TO ALLOW WATER PARKS TO OPEN AT 25% CAPACITY, UH, IN, IN OUR SITUATION.
THAT CAUSED US TO PAUSE AND DO SOME ANALYSIS WITH REGARD TO WHAT THE AQUATICS FUND, WHICH I, I THINK WE'VE BEEN, ESPECIALLY, UH, WITH THE FINANCE COMMITTEE WILL RECOLLECT.
WE'VE BEEN VERY, UH, UPFRONT ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE AQUATICS FUND.
AND, UH, THERE'S GOOD REASON TO BE WORRIED ABOUT THAT, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE ENTIRETY OF OUR REVENUE COMES FROM OUR ABILITY TO OPEN THAT PARK.
AND THAT'S BEEN HINDERED, UH, TO A GREAT DEAL.
UH, SO, UH, JENNA AND, AND OTHERS IN FINANCE HAVE, HAVE, UH, GOTTEN TOGETHER AND, UH, BRINGING TO YOU THREE POSSIBLE SCENARIOS WITH REGARD TO OPENING PYRUS BAY, ECLIPSE COVE.
UH, ALL THREE OF THEM, UH, ARE COSTLY.
THERE IS NOT A, UH, AN OPTION THAT HAS ANY BLACK LETTERING TO THEM AT ALL.
THEY'RE ALL GOING TO COST US THIS YEAR.
UM, NEVERTHELESS, UH, THERE ARE MANY REASONS WHY, UH, YOU'LL PROBABLY WANT TO OPEN, UH, PYRUS BAY.
UH, BUT IT, ONE OF THOSE REASONS PROBABLY WON'T BE BECAUSE IT'LL MAKE US A LOT OF MONEY.
SO WITH THAT, UH, WE'RE GONNA GO OVER THOSE NUMBERS.
YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, AND THEN I'LL COME BACK UP, UH, AFTER AND LET YOU KNOW BASED ON YOUR DECISION, WHAT WE PLAN TO DO FROM, FROM THERE.
UM, I FEEL LIKE I WAS JUST HERE TALKING TO YOU GUYS ABOUT THE NEW LOGO THAT IS NOW ON YOUR SCREEN.
SO, UH, THE BEGINNING OF THIS SLIDE PRESENTATION IS GOING TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE WILL BE DOING AT THE PARK, UM, IF AND WHEN WE OPEN, AND KIND OF SOME NEW PROCEDURES THAT WILL BE GOING ON.
SO THESE ARE SOME STAFFING NUMBERS FOR YOU.
CURRENTLY HIRED, WE HAVE 383 STAFF MEMBERS.
THAT NUMBER, UNFORTUNATELY, IS DROPPING REGULARLY.
UM, WE HAVE ABOUT TWO PEOPLE A DAY THAT EMAIL OR CALL US AND STATE BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE ARE NOT
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OPEN YET, THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO LOOK FOR JOBS ELSEWHERE.UM, AND THEN THE SECOND TWO COLUMNS WILL SHOW YOU DURING A SHIFT AT PIRATES BAY, THERE IS 111 WORKERS.
AND DURING A SHIFT AT CALYPSO COVE, THERE IS 15, THE 111 AT PIRATES BAY WILL NOT CHANGE WHETHER OUR CAPACITY IS AT 400 PEOPLE AT 25%, OR WHETHER IT WAS AT A HUNDRED PERCENT CAPACITY AT 1600 PEOPLE DUE TO THE LAYOUT OF THE PARK.
ALL OF THAT STAFF DOES NEED TO BE THERE, OR THEY'RE BEING REPURPOSED FOR SANITIZING AND CLEANING DUTIES.
AT CALYPSO COVE, THAT NUMBER CAN DROP BY ABOUT FOUR TO FIVE PEOPLE.
UM, IF WE OPEN AT A LESSER CAPACITY THAN A HUNDRED PERCENT LIFEGUARDS IS WHERE WE ARE STRUGGLING AT THE MOMENT.
SO I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THOSE NUMBERS.
WE DO HAVE 87 LIFEGUARDS THAT ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING HIRED OR CERTIFIED CURRENTLY.
AND THE REASON THEY ARE NOT CURRENTLY CERTIFIED IS BECAUSE DUE TO THE RED CROSS, UH, GUIDELINES, WE WERE UNABLE TO CERTIFY DURING COVID WHILE SOCIAL DISTANCING WAS IN PLACE.
UM, GOVERNOR ABBOTT HAS LIST LIFTED SOCIAL DISTANCING WITH THE WORDING OF IF IT IS ESSENTIAL, YOU MAY, UM, YOU KNOW, BREAK THAT SOCIAL DISTANCE.
SO AT THIS POINT, WE ARE NOW PERMITTED BY AMERICAN RED CROSS TO START CERTIFYING LIFEGUARDS IN WATER.
SO WE HAVE 87 IN THAT PROCESS.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE 62 THAT ARE DEEP WATER CERTIFIED, 22 THAT ARE SHALLOW.
UM, AND 13 OF THAT 84 ARE LEADERSHIP POSITIONS THAT DO NOT SIT ON THE LIFEGUARD STAND.
SO WE HAVE 171 LIFEGUARDS TOTAL.
IF EVERYONE PASSES THEIR TEST, NORMALLY WE HAVE ABOUT TWO 50.
SO THAT JUST GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF, UM, DUE TO COD WHERE WE ARE SITTING RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO LEE COLLEGE OR STERLING HIGH SCHOOL TO CERTIFY AS DEEP WATER, WHICH IS WHAT WE NEED, UM, TO HAVE AT OUR PARK.
WE CAN ONLY CERTIFY SHALLOW WATER.
UM, WE DID LUCKILY GET EMAILS FROM LEE COLLEGE TODAY THAT HOPEFULLY NEXT WEEK WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET INTO THEIR FACILITY TO START USING THEIR POOL.
SO ONCE YOU ARE AT THE PARK THIS SUMMER, SOME SOCIAL DISTANCING GUIDELINES THAT WILL BE IN PLACE ARE THE CONCRETE STICKERS ON THE GROUND, JUST LIKE YOU SEE AT THE GROCERY STORE, AT ANY OTHER STORE AROUND TOWN.
THERE WILL BE BARRICADES, UM, OFF THE ENTRANCE LINE AND THE SMOKING AREA TO HELP KEEP THOSE PEOPLE SOCIALLY DISTANCED.
THERE'S EXTRA SIGNAGE THAT'S RECOMMENDED BY THE CDC SOCIAL DISTANCING MESSAGES PLAYING ON THE PARK RADIO.
UM, TEAM MEMBERS WILL BE WEARING GLOVES AND MASKS THAT ARE IN DIRECT CONTACT WITH GUESTS, AND WE HAVE REMOVED ALL LOUNGE CHAIRS FROM THE PARK.
THOSE ARE YOUR PLASTIC CHAIRS THAT ARE EASILY MOVABLE.
SO EVEN IF WE PUT THEM ON THE GROUND AND SAID, PLEASE LEAVE THESE RIGHT HERE, CHANCES ARE THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
'CAUSE THEY CAN BE EASILY PULLED IN ALL DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
UM, THIS IS JUST SOME SIGNAGE THAT THE CDC HAS RECOMMENDED.
AND THEN ALL OF OUR TABLES ARE CURRENTLY SPACED AT EIGHT FEET APART.
SIX FEET IS NOT A GOOD ENOUGH DISTANCE FOR A TABLE DUE TO THE FACT THAT PEOPLE AREN'T ALWAYS SITTING AT THE TABLE.
THEY'RE GETTING UP, THEY'RE WALKING AROUND, SO THEY'RE EIGHT FEET APART.
THIS DID LIMIT THE NUMBER OF TABLES THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PUT IN THE PARK.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE PAVILION THAT YOU GUYS SEE THAT HAS SIX TABLES UNDERNEATH IT WOULD NORMALLY IN A NORMAL YEAR HAVE 12 LIFEGUARD STANDS.
IF THEY'RE SITTING IN A CHAIR, WILL HAVE A SIX FOOT BOX AROUND THEM TO KEEP THAT LIFEGUARD PROTECTED FROM THE PUBLIC.
IF THEY, THEY'RE A ROVING OR A WALKING STAND, THEY HAVE A 10 FOOT BOX AND ALL STANDS DO HAVE A SIGN ON THEM THAT STATE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS TO PLEASE FIND A SUPERVISOR THAT IS IN A BLUE POLO, THIS IS IN HOPES THAT THOSE GUESTS WON'T BREAK THAT SOCIAL DISTANCING.
JUST TO GET A LIFEGUARD'S ATTENTION.
SANITIZING, UH, THESE ARE SOME NEW THINGS THAT WILL BE AROUND THE PARK.
SO WE'VE INSTALLED EXTRA HAND SANITIZER STATIONS.
THE LIFE JACKETS WILL NOW BE A PICKUP STATION, AS OPPOSED TO JUST AN OPEN RACK LIKE THEY USED TO BE WHERE ANYBODY USED TO BE ABLE TO GRAB THEM AND THEN PUT THEM BACK AT THEIR LEISURE.
NOW YOU'LL HAVE TO PICK THEM UP AT A STATION SO THAT WHEN YOU ARE FINISHED WITH THEM, WE CAN DISINFECT THEM BEFOREHAND, HANDING THEM OUT TO SOMEONE ELSE.
ALSO, ALL HANDRAILS WILL BE SANITIZED ROUGHLY EVERY 20 MINUTES AS THE LIFEGUARDS ARE ROTATING AROUND THE PARK.
SLIDE TUBES AND MAT RACERS WILL ALSO BE SANITIZED AFTER EVERY GUEST AND THERE ARE EXTRA TEAM MEMBERS ON THE SCHEDULE JUST FOR SANITIZING PURPOSES.
SO THE RESTROOMS, THE TABLES, THE TUBES, THE MAT RACERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
OUR ENTRANCE PROCEDURE WILL CHANGE FOR THIS YEAR.
WE WILL HAVE ONLINE TICKET SALES ONLY.
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WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PURCHASE TICKETS AT THE GATE.THIS IS BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE TO, SO TO SPEAK, MAKE A RESERVATION IN ORDER TO COME TO THE PARK.
THIS IS WHAT A LOT OF PARKS AROUND THE COUNTRY ARE GOING TO, SO THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO LIMIT YOUR CAPACITY.
ALSO, ALL OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS THAT ARE IN THE LIGHTHOUSE WILL BE BEHIND THE GLASS.
YOU WILL BE, YOU KNOW, SHOWING UP TO THE PARK, HOLDING UP YOUR BARCODE TO THE WINDOW.
THEY'LL SCAN IT THROUGH THE WINDOW AND THEN PASS YOU YOUR WRISTBANDS, WHICH YOU WILL HAVE TO PUT ON YOURSELF.
ALSO, ALL SEASON PASS HOLDERS WILL BE ENTERING THE PARK THROUGH THEIR OWN GATE, SCANNING THEIR OWN PASS, AND THEN RECEIVING THEIR WRISTBANDS FOR THE PARK.
THIS IS A PICTURE OF WHAT OUR ENTRANCE PROCEDURES WILL LOOK LIKE THIS YEAR.
SO WHERE YOU SEE THE ONLINE TICKET REDEMPTION ARROW, SO THAT IS THE NORMAL ENTRANCE TO PURCHASE TICKETS.
YOU WOULD GO UP THOSE STAIRS UP TO THE LIGHTHOUSE, YOU WOULD PURCHASE TICKETS, AND THEN YOU WOULD ENTER THE PARK TO THE RIGHT OF THE TICKET OR TO THE RIGHT OF THE LIGHTHOUSE.
WHEN YOU'RE LEAVING THE PARK, YOU WOULD EXIT TO THE LEFT OF THE LIGHTHOUSE.
THAT PUTS A LOT OF CONGESTION RIGHT THERE AT THE FRONT OF THE PARK.
SO THIS YEAR, DUE TO SOCIAL DISTANCING, WE CHOSE TO CHANGE THE ENTRANCE AND THE EXIT OF THE PARK.
SO YOU'LL GO UP TO THE LIGHTHOUSE, YOU WOULD REDEEM YOUR TICKETS, YOU WOULD GET YOUR WRISTBANDS, AND THEN YOU WOULD START WALKING TO THE RIGHT AND YOU WOULD FOLLOW THOSE BLUE DOTS ALL THE WAY DOWN OUR PATH TILL YOU GET TO THE BACK OF THE PARK.
AND THEN YOU WOULD ENTER THE PARK THERE.
THIS ALLOWS US TO PLACE SOCIAL DISTANCING DOTS ANYWHERE FROM EIGHT TO 10 FEET APART SO THAT WHEN FAMILIES ARE STANDING IN LINE, THEY ARE NO CLOSER THAN SIX FEET TO THE FAMILY IN FRONT OF OR BEHIND THEM.
THE LITTLE WHITE, UM, BOXES, RECTANGLES, THOSE ARE THE COOLER CHECK OR BAG CHECK TABLES.
THOSE ARE UNDERNEATH OUR BRAND NEW BE WELL BAYTOWN SHADE STRUCTURE.
AND SO THAT IS WHERE STAFF MEMBERS WOULD BE STANDING TO CHECK ALL BAGS AND COOLERS THAT WOULD BE ENTERING THE PARK.
WHEN YOU GO TO LEAVE THE PARK, YOU WILL ACTUALLY BE EXITING THE PARK AT THE FAR LEFT.
UM, THIS IS A DOUBLE GATE, NORMALLY USED AS LIKE A MAINTENANCE ENTRANCE.
UM, BUT WE WILL BE STAFFING THAT GATE.
SEASONED PASS HOLDERS ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT WILL BE ENTERING THE PARK RIGHT IN THAT LIGHTHOUSE AREA.
THEY DO HAVE A SPECIAL ACCESS GATE.
THEY GET TO ENTER THE PARK 10 MINUTES EARLIER THAN EVERYONE ELSE.
SO WE WANTED TO KEEP THEM RIGHT AT THE FRONT OF THE PARK.
THIS IS JUST A BETTER EXAMPLE OF WHERE THAT BE.
WELL, BAYTOWN STRUCTURE IS THAT SHADE STRUCTURE AND HOW YOU WOULD, UM, THE ENTRANCE LINE WOULD GO FOR THE 2020 SEASON.
SO CONCESSION STANDS IN RETAIL.
SO THERE HAS BEEN A CHANGE WITH OUR CONCESSION STANDS FOR THE YEAR ONLY OUR LARGER, OR OUR BACK KITCHEN, AS WE CALL IT, WILL BE OPEN.
THE FRONT CONCESSION STAND BACKS UP STRAIGHT TO A PICNIC PAVILION AND THERE IS NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO SOCIAL DISTANCE YOUR LINE, YOUR PEOPLE WAITING FOR THEIR FOOD AND THE GUESTS THAT ARE SITTING IN THAT PAVILION EITHER EATING OR RELAXING.
SO WE CHOSE TO CLOSE THE FRONT CONCESSION STAND AND HAVE A LIMITED STAFF IN THE BACK CONCESSION STAND.
NORMALLY INSIDE THE KITCHEN, WE'D HAVE ANYWHERE FROM FIVE TO SIX STAFF MEMBERS.
THIS YEAR, WE'LL ONLY HAVE THREE TO FOUR, DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF DAY AND HOW BUSY WE ARE.
ALSO, ALL CONDIMENTS, SILVERWARE AND STRAWS WILL BE PREPACKAGED AND OUR RETAIL WILL BE OPENED WITH PREPACKAGED OPTIONS FOR FOOD AND DRINKS.
THIS IS JUST A SAMPLE MENU FOR OUR CONCESSION STAND.
WE HAVE ELIMINATED A COUPLE THINGS FROM YEARS PAST JUST BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE WOULD HAVE WORKING IN THE KITCHENS.
HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF HOW A CONCESSION STAND WOULD BE SET UP.
SO IN THE BACK WE HAVE TWO CASH REGISTERS.
SO YOU WOULD STAND ON SOCIAL DISTANCING DOTS.
ONCE YOU ORDER YOUR FOOD, YOU WOULD EXIT TO THE RIGHT OR TO THE LEFT, DEPENDING ON WHAT LINE YOU WERE IN.
AND YOU WOULD STAND ON A NUMBERED DOT.
YOUR RECEIPT WOULD ALSO HAVE A NUMBERED DOT ON IT.
AND THEN FROM THERE YOU WOULD RECEIVE YOUR FOOD.
YOU WOULD EXIT THE NUMBERED DOT BACK TO THE PARK.
UM, OUR ATTRACTIONS, SO OUR SLIDES AND THINGS, SO SLIDE TUBES, FLOW RIDER BOARDS AND MAT RACERS WILL BE SANITIZED AFTER EACH GUEST.
THERE WILL BE NO TUBES IN THE RIVER THIS YEAR.
WE'RE UNABLE TO CONTROL THE SANITIZING OF THOSE.
THOSE GET PASSED FROM FAMILY TO FAMILY.
SOMEBODY GETS OUT OF THE RIVER, LEAVES IT IN THE RIVER.
UM, SO WE'RE KEEPING WITH THE NATIONAL TREND OF NOT HAVING ANY OF THOSE TUBES IN THE RIVER THIS YEAR.
MAT RACER SLIDES WILL ONLY USE THE OUTSIDE LANES SO THAT THE PEOPLE ON THOSE SLIDES ARE SOCIALLY DISTANCED.
AND ALL SLIDES INSTEAD OF BEING RACING SLIDES THIS YEAR WILL HAVE A STAGGERED START SO THAT THE PEOPLE DON'T END AT THE SAME TIME AND EXIT THE SLIDES AND
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BECOME FACE-TO-FACE WITH EACH OTHER.ALSO, ALL LIFEGUARDS WILL HAVE LIMITED CONTACT WITH THEIR GUESTS ENTERING AND EXITING THE SLIDES.
PLAY STRUCTURES WILL BE CLOSED.
SO PER THE, UM, ORDER FROM THE GOVERNOR, WATERPARK OPERATORS MUST CLOSE ANY COMPONENTS OF THE WATERPARK THAT HAVE INTERACT INTERACTIVE FUNCTIONS OR EXHIBITS, INCLUDING CHILD PLAY AREAS.
THIS IS JUST A PICTURE OF ALL FOUR OF OUR PLAY AREAS.
THE TWO, UM, SMALLER PLAY AREAS ARE AT K CALYPSO COVE AND THE TWO LARGER ARE AT PIRATES BAY.
UM, BUT THE NEW NINJA CROSS WILL BE OPEN BECAUSE IT IS NOT CONSIDERED A CHILD PLAY AREA.
IT'S ACTUALLY ADULT BECAUSE IT'S 48 INCHES AND TALLER.
OKAY, SO MOVING ON TO OUR OPTIONS THAT, UM, RICK PRESENTED OR RICK TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
SO OPTION ONE IS OPENING AT A LIMITED CAPACITY OF 25%.
OUR NORMAL HOURS THAT WE HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST, THERE'S A FLAT RATE TICKET COST OF 20 OR $25.
THERE IS NO REENTRY INTO THE PARK.
WE WILL HAVE A SMOKING SECTION SET UP AT THE BACK OF THE PARK INSTEAD OF PEOPLE EXITING THE PARK TO SMOKE.
ALSO, WE HAVE AN UPDATED BAG OR COOLER POLICY.
SO THIS YEAR WE WILL NOT ALLOW CHAIRS OR WAGONS TO BE BROUGHT IN THE PARK AND WE'LL BE LIMITING TO ONE COOLER PER FAMILY.
OPTION TWO IS LIMITED CAPACITY AT 25%.
THERE IS TWO TIME SLOTS EACH DAY.
EACH OF THEM TICKETED INDIVIDUALLY.
THE TIME SLOTS WOULD BE FROM 10 TO TWO AND FROM THREE TO SEVEN BETWEEN 2:00 PM AND 3:00 PM WE WOULD CLEAR THE PARK COMPLETELY AND THEN OUR STAFF WOULD GO IN AND SANITIZE EVERYTHING FROM TOP TO BOTTOM.
YOUR TICKET COST WOULD BE $15 MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, $20 FRIDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, AND $25 AT A SPECIAL SATURDAY NIGHT, 48 INCH AND OVER THAT WOULD RUN FROM 8:00 PM TO MIDNIGHT EVERY SATURDAY NIGHT.
THE THINKING BEHIND THE 15 AND $20 TICKET RATE WAS, THAT IS OUR YOUTH RATE AT THE MOMENT.
SO THE MARKETING CONCEPT WOULD BE EVERYBODY GETS IN FOR THE YOUTH RATE THIS YEAR.
ALSO, WE DECIDED ON A ONE RATE DUE TO THE FACT THAT YOU'RE ONLY IN THE PARK FOR FOUR HOURS.
INSTEAD OF THE TYPICAL EIGHT OR NINE, DEPENDING ON THE DAY, THERE IS STILL NO REENTRY.
AND AN UPDATED BAG AND COOLER POLICY ALLOWING NO CHAIRS, WAGONS, ONE COOLER PER FAMILY, UM, AND YOUR FACTORY SEALED BEVERAGES, WHICH IS A RULE THAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE.
AND OUR THIRD OPTION IS THAT WE DON'T OPEN FOR THE 2020 SEASON.
OKAY GUYS, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A PRICE TAG, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH ALL THREE OF THOSE OPTIONS.
UH, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IN MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU IS OPTION TWO.
I JUST, UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US, UH, TO OPEN THE PARK.
UH, THIS WOULD, ALL THREE OPTIONS ARE GONNA FORCE UH, US OBVIOUSLY TO FIND FUNDING TO, UH, PLUG THAT HOLE THIS YEAR AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO FOR NEXT YEAR TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE REMAIN SOLVENT, UM, IN PRIOR BAY.
BUT, UH, FOR THIS YEAR, THE IMPACT, UH, OF THIS EMERGENCY HAS BEEN, UH, VERY PRONOUNCED.
BUT, UH, WE STILL THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO OPEN THE PARK.
UH, WITH THAT WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO YOU, UH, OR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
WE HAVE LOTS OF, UH, FOLKS HERE THAT PRETTY MUCH HAVE AS MANY ANSWERS AS POSSIBLE EXCEPT, UH, HOW EXACTLY ARE WE GONNA PLUG THE HOLE? WE HAVE, UH, ABOUT $400,000 IN FUND BALANCE CURRENTLY IN THE AQUATICS FUND.
AND WE WOULD NEED TO SEEK GENERAL FUND, UH, SUPPORT FOR THE REMAINING PORTION.
UH, SO WITH THAT, AND WE HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED THAT YET, WE WILL GO TO WORK, UM, DOING THAT.
BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT OPTION YOU WOULD LIKE TO PREFER OR YOU WOULD PREFER.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, I GUESS ON THIS ITEM? OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T, THERE'S NOT A BOAT, IT'S JUST A, THIS IS JUST A ITEM TO DISCUSS.
ON, ON OPTION THREE, WILL WE STILL BE RUNNING CHEMICALS, RUNNING PUMPS? AND, UH, WILL WE PUMP OUT ALL THE WATER AND, UH, AND, AND LET IT SIT THERE FOR A YEAR? WHAT, WHAT'S THE PLANS BEHIND THAT? THAT'S GONNA COST, UH, 2.1 $0.92 MILLION.
SO THE EXPENSES AND OPTION THREE, 1.5 MILLION OF THAT 2.1 HAS ALREADY BEEN SPENT FOR
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THIS YEAR THAT WAS ON THE RENOVATIONS IN THE OFF SEASON STAFFING COSTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE HAVE ALREADY INCURRED.UM, THAT ADDITIONAL MONEY IS JUST AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO SPEND ON CHEMICALS, ELECTRICITY, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
THAT ALSO INCLUDES YOUR FULL-TIME STAFFING COSTS.
WE DO HAVE FULL FIVE FULL-TIME STAFF THAT ARE AT THE PARK YEAR ROUND.
UM, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SPECIFICALLY, YES, WE WOULD CONTINUE TO TREAT, BUT WE WOULD TREAT JUST AS IF WE WOULD IN THE OFF SEASON.
SO WE LOWER THOSE CHEMICALS DOWN AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO STILL KEEP THOSE POOLS CLEAR.
UM, BUT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO RUN PUMPS.
SO THE TYPE OF PLASTER THAT WE HAVE IN ALL OF OUR POOLS DOES REQUIRE THAT THERE BE WATER IN THOSE POOLS 24 7.
SO IF WE DRAIN THOSE, WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE AN ADDITIONAL COST TO REDO THOSE POOLS LATER.
AND MY OTHER QUESTION WAS, SOME OF THAT IS, UH, IF WE DO OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC, ARE WE GONNA INCREASE THE CHLORINE CONTENT OF THE, OF THE WATER BASED ON THAT? THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE A, A BACTERIAL OR VIRUS IN THE WATER.
SO DO WE NEED MORE CHEMICALS? DO WE NEED MORE CHLORINE TO, TO TREAT THAT, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KILL THE VIRUS OR THE BACTERIA THAT COULD CAUSE SOME OF THIS? SO THE CDC HAS PUT OUT RECOMMENDATIONS OF WHAT YOUR CHEMICALS NEED TO BE AT.
AND FORTUNATELY FOR US, OUR CHEMICALS ALREADY SIT ABOVE THOSE LEVELS JUST DUE TO OUR BATHER LOAD THAT WE HAVE ON A REGULAR BASIS.
SO WE WOULD ACTUALLY NOT NEED TO INCREASE ANYTHING BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY ABOVE WHAT THE CDC RECOMMENDS.
JENNA, IF WE WENT WITH OPTION TWO, I MEAN, DON'T YOU THINK AS THE SUMMER PROGRESSES, THE GOVERNOR'S CAPACITY RESTRICTIONS ARE GONNA CHANGE AND THEY'LL EVENTUALLY INCREASE? UH, SO THERE, THERE ARE A FEW.
YOU'RE CORRECT, AND THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT CAN MAKE THIS SCENARIO BETTER FOR US.
BUT WE FEEL LIKE NOT KNOWING THAT THOSE ARE GONNA MATERIALIZE FOR SURE, THAT IT'S BEST FOR US TO APPROACH YOU WITH A WORST CASE SCENARIO AND PLAN FOR THAT.
AND IF IT GETS BETTER, WE'LL CERTAINLY, LET, LET YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, BY THE TIME THAT WE'RE ABLE TO ADEQUATELY CERTIFY OUR LIFEGUARDS AND GET THEM ON BOARD, UH, THE GOVERNOR MAY HAVE ALREADY INCREASED TO 50%.
WELL, THAT WILL BUY US SOME LATITUDE.
IT WILL NOT GET US OUT OF THE RED, BUT IT WILL, IT WILL CERTAINLY, UH, HELP, BUT I THINK IT'S PRUDENT FOR US TO MAKE A DECISION, UH, TONIGHT AND THEN PLAN FOR THE WORST AND, UH, TRY TO IDENTIFY THAT FUNDING TO PLUG THE HOLE.
AND RICK, MAYBE YOU PROB MAYBE DON'T KNOW THIS ANSWER, BUT LET'S SAY AT SOME POINT THE GOVERNOR SAYS A HUNDRED PERCENT GO BACK TO NORMAL.
WOULD, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO RECOUP OUR COSTS AT ALL THIS SEASON? OR IS THERE GONNA BE A DEFICIT NO MATTER WHAT? IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW MUCH THAT DEFICIT IS.
THERE WILL BE A DEFICIT NO MATTER WHAT.
AND IN FACT, WE, LAST YEAR WAS NOT A GOOD YEAR, UH, FOR US.
AS THOSE OF YOU ON THE FINANCE COMMITTEE WILL REMEMBER, WE WENT OVER THE, AND, AND OF COURSE THE WHOLE COUNCILS.
WE WENT OVER THE NUMBERS FOR AQUATICS.
WE TOLD YOU WE'RE, WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE AQUATICS FUND.
UH, AND I, FOR THE REASONS THAT I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED, THE SCHOOL YEAR, YOU KNOW, OCCUP, MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY COMPETITION, WEATHER, SO MANY FA FACTORS THAT HAVE COME TOGETHER IN THE LAST, UH, COUPLE OF YEARS TO GET A CONSIDERABLE HEADWIND, UH, TO THIS PARTICULAR FUND.
SO, UH, REALLY A LONGER TERM STRATEGY IS APPROPRIATE THAT WE NEED TO DEVELOP IN ORDER TO MAXIMIZE REVENUE AFTER THE GATES SALE, UH, WHICH IS PART OF THE BRANDING INITIATIVE THAT WE, UH, THAT WE BEGAN TO DEVELOP.
AND OF COURSE THERE ARE OTHER REVENUE CENTERS THAT WE COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, BUT THAT'S A LONGER TERM DISCUSSION THAT, THAT WE DO NEED TO HAVE.
BUT UNLESS WE DO THOSE, THERE'S NO AMOUNT OF MITIGATION THIS YEAR, UH, THAT'S GOING TO ALLOW US TO COME IN IN THE BLACK, BECAUSE EVEN LAST YEAR WE DIDN'T COME IN THE BLACK.
SO HEATHER, HEATHER, IF I COULD, IT'S KIND OF AN OFFSET TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BECAUSE BOTH OPTION ONE AND TWO, THOSE REVENUE NUMBERS THAT YOU SEE THERE, THAT ASSUMES THAT WE HIT FULL CAPACITY.
SO WHAT IT IS ALLOWED 400 PEOPLE, THAT'S ASSUMING 400 PEOPLE COME EVERY DAY AND WE DON'T LOSE A WEATHER DAY.
SO THAT'S THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE PROJECTED REVENUE UNDER OPTIONS ONE AND TWO AT THE CURRENT 400.
WE ANTICIPATE THAT HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE 50% THAT WILL ALLOW REVENUE NUMBERS TO COME UP, BUT THAT'S THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE REVENUE AT 25%.
YEAH, MAYBE WE CAN BE CREATIVE IN THE OFF SEASON.
AND TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, WE HAVE ALREADY LOST FOR THIS SEASON, ROUGHLY A MONTH.
WE WERE ONLY, WE WOULD'VE BEEN OPEN WEEKENDS IN MAY.
WE WOULD'VE OPENED MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND FOR FULL TIME.
SO BY THE TIME WE DO GET TO OPEN, SO THAT IS ALSO FACTORED INTO THIS BASED ON LAST YEAR'S REVENUE, IF WE WERE BUSINESS OWNERS, WE'D BE APPLYING FOR SBA DISASTER LOANS.
WELL, AND THAT'S ANOTHER EXCELLENT COMMENT BECAUSE POOLS,
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WATER, PARKS THAT AREN'T RUN BY MUNICIPALITIES, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID.JUST SO WE'RE IN A MUCH WORSE POSITION THAN THOSE KIND OF PARKS.
UM, OPTION THREE, WOULD IT REQUIRE US TO RUN THE SAME AMOUNT OF CHEMICALS THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY RUN WITH IT NOT BEING ANYONE IN THE WATER? WE WOULD RUN THE SAME AMOUNT OF CHEMICALS THAT WE RUN FROM LABOR DAY THROUGH APRIL.
UM, SO THE NORMAL OFF SEASON CHEMICALS, SO WE WOULD SAVE A DECENT AMOUNT OF MONEY IN CHEMICALS, BUT YES, WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO RUN CHEMICALS, BUT NOT WHAT WE WOULD IF WE WERE OPEN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, SO, ALRIGHT, WELL, ITEM IS DONE OR NO, WE CAN'T GIVE YOU, I MEAN, WE CAN'T, WE, WE CERTAINLY, UH, ALTHOUGH I WOULD NEVER INFORMALLY PULL YOU, UH, OF COURSE NOT.
WE CERTAINLY, OUR INCLINATION, OUR, OUR INSTINCT, OUR BEST ADVICE IS TO GO WITH OPTION TWO.
SO THAT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION TO YOU.
AND HOPEFULLY WE GET SOME INDICATION FROM YOU THAT, UH, YOU WOULD LIKE US TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.
YOU HAVE DIRECTION? YEAH, I, IF YOU SMILE, I'LL KNOW
I MEAN, IT'S NOT A VOTE, IT'S JUST SMILES.
I BELIEVE THE GOVERNOR WILL PROBABLY OPEN TO HIGHER CAPACITY AT SOME LEVEL, UM, TO, TO CLOSE THAT GAP.
I DO THINK SOME OF THE, UM, PROTOCOLS THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE AND PRACTICE WERE PUT IN PLACE.
I THINK SOME, A LOT OF, SOME OF THIS MONEY CAN BE RECOVERED THROUGH, UH, SOME FUNDING THAT'S GONNA BE COMING THROUGH.
UH, ALSO YOU AND I, WE MAY CLOSE THAT, THAT GAP HAVE THE SAME THOUGHT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WILL BE, BUT, UM, IT MAY, IT MAY SIGNIFICANTLY CLOSE SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, AND, AND GOING BACK TO HEATHER SMILE, WE'RE, WE'RE PREPARING FOR THE WORST CASE.
I AM OPTIMISTIC, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
WE'LL IDENTIFY THE FUNDING NECESSARY TO BRING THIS IN, IN LINE.
UH, BUT, UM, I THINK, I THINK I UNDERSTAND A CONSENSUS FROM THE GROUP AND WE'LL GO ACCORDINGLY.
PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY, CONCERNS, DON'T HESITATE TO REACH OUT TO ME, PLEASE.
OKAY, MS. ALVARADO OR THANK MR. PRESLEY.
YOU'RE GOOD WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
SO THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS, LET'S SAY THEY DO LOOSEN THE RESTRICTIONS AND THEY INCREASE THE OCCUPANCY.
ARE WE, ARE WE FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT THEY WILL COME TO, TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, THINK I, IF IF YOU TALK TO ME, I THINK PEOPLE ARE VERY HUNGRY TO GET, YOU'VE SEEN HOW THEY'VE, THEY'VE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF, OF OPPORTUNITIES TO GO TO THE BEACHES, OTHER POOLS, OTHER AMUSEMENT FACILITIES.
WE SAW WHAT THEY DID TO, UH, AT THE, UM, WATERPARK THAT, UH, OPENED PREMATURELY.
THAT WAS PART OF THE NEWS, UH, PROGRAM.
I, I THINK THEY, I BELIEVE THEY WILL.
HONESTLY, IT'S ONE OF THOSE GRAY AREA QUESTIONS I TEND TO THINK LIKE RICK DOES.
BUT WE'RE ALL GONNA WALK THROUGH 2020 AND WE'RE GONNA LEARN.
AND IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE CASE.
EVERYONE'S GOT THEIR OWN FEELING OF COMFORT BASED ON THIS.
IF WE DECIDE TO OPEN, WE'VE GOTTA PREPARED TO DO IT AND WHAT COMES, COMES.
YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THIS INDEED IS OUR FIRST WORLD PANDEMIC.
SO WE WILL BE MORE EXPERIENCED AFTER 2020.
I, I DEFINITELY, I MEAN, AGREE WITH THAT.
I THINK WHATEVER, UH, DECISION WE MAKE, UH, IT IS REALLY UP TO THE PEOPLE.
I MEAN, I, I DO SEE THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO GET OUT AND MY MY THING IS JUST FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE MOST, UH, SAFE AND HEALTHY OPTION FOR THEM.
SO ALSO IN THIS OPTION TWO, UM, WHAT IS, WAS THERE ANY FACTORS OF BUILDING IN UM, I GUESS EXTENDING THE SEASON AND, 'CAUSE WE KNOW SOMETIMES IT'S WARM IN DECEMBER, SO YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE SOME GAPS WE CAN FILL WITH EXTENDING THE CITY SEASON EVEN ON THE WEEKENDS.
UM, AND THEN WITH THE EXPENSES, THESE EXPENSES WAS THAT WAS ALREADY BUDGETED OR THAT'S BUDGETED UPON OPENING UNDER THE NEW SCHEDULE? SO TO ANSWER YOUR EXPENSES QUESTION FIRST, UM, THE EXPENSES FOR THE YEAR WERE BUDGETED AT 4.3 MILLION.
I WENT THROUGH THOSE EXPENSES BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE WEREN'T OPEN FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
UM, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THOUGH, ABOUT STAYING OPEN LATER, WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT THAT IS ALWAYS
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AN OPTION.IN THE PAST IT HASN'T REFLECTED THAT IT WORKED VERY WELL.
UM, BUT IT IS AN OPTION THAT OUR STAFF HAS EXPLORED AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO EXPLORE AS THE SUMMER GOES ON.
AND I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC WILL KIND OF DICTATE THAT IF WE'RE SEEING A FALL OFF, UM, YOU KNOW, BY AUGUST, THEN YEAH.
OBVIOUSLY THE WEATHER STAYS WARM FOR THE MOST PART.
YOU LET DEMAND REALLY THANKSGIVING PRETTY MUCH.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST SOME OPTIONS FOR WEEKENDS AND, AND, AND ESPECIALLY FOR OUR SEASON PASS HOLDERS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY COULD GET MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO COME AND SPEND MONEY INSIDE THE GATE ONCE WE, WE GET CREATIVE.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, JUST ADDITIONAL OPTIONS.
BAD WEATHER DAYS HAVE BEEN FACTORED INTO THIS LOOKING AT THE, OUR HISTORY THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
SO THESE NUMBERS, NO, THESE NUMBERS ARE YOUR BEST CASE SCENARIO.
IF WE HIT THE 25% CAPACITY EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR THE DAYS THAT WE WOULD BE OPEN THROUGH LABOR DAY, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE NOT BEEN OPEN IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS? ON AVERAGE LAST YEAR WE WERE, LAST YEAR OUR OPERATING DAYS WERE 95, WE HAD RAINED 28 OF THOSE 95 DAYS.
THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE WERE CLOSED COMPLETELY THOSE 28 DAYS.
THAT MEANS WE EITHER OPENED LATE, MAYBE WE CLOSED EARLY, MAYBE WE WEREN'T OPEN AT ALL, OR AT SOME POINT DURING THE DAY, PEOPLE WERE OUT OF THE WATER FOR LONGER THAN TWO HOURS.
HOW DOES THAT, HOW DID THAT AFFECT THE, UM, BUDGET FOR THOSE YEARS FOR LAST YEAR WITH THE 28 DAYS OF PEOPLE BEING OUT OF THE WATER, IF IT RAINS ENOUGH THAT PEOPLE DON'T SHOW UP? I DO FEEL IT NEGATIVELY AFFECTED THE BUDGET NEGATIVELY.
I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT BRINGING IN AS MUCH REVENUE.
SO MY QUESTION NOW IS LOOKING AT THESE OPTIONS, WHY WOULDN'T WE HAVE CONSIDERED RAIN OUT DAYS OR BAD WEATHER DAYS? 'CAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAPPEN.
THESE HAVE BEEN FACTORED IN WITH 25% WERE OPEN EVERY DAY BEING ON THE COAST.
THE CHANCES OF A TROPICAL STORM, A HURRICANE OR UP THERE, WHY WOULDN'T WE FACTOR THAT IN SO WE COULD MAKE A BETTER DECISION ON THIS? SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
AND THAT DOVETAILS BACK TO HEATHER'S QUESTION BECAUSE WHAT WE DID FACTOR IN WAS THE RAIN DAYS AND WHAT WE WOULD LOSE THERE AND THE ANTICIPATION THAT WE'RE GONNA GO TO 50% OR HIGHER.
SO THAT YOU'RE GONNA WIND UP WASHING THOSE TWO IS WHAT WE BELIEVE THE BEST WE COULD ESTIMATE IT.
SO THESE ARE THE BEST REVENUES THAT YOU WOULD HAVE AT 25%.
WE DO ANTICIPATE SEEING A 50% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT WILL ADD REVENUE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE RAIN DAY.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, WE'LL
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MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO.EXCUSE ME, ONE B, DISCUSS STRATEGIES, TECHNIQUES, AND FUNDING FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF EXISTING STREETS AND DESTRUCT CONSTRUCTION OF NEW OR EXPANDED ROADWAYS, MR. WILLIE.
AND LET, LET ME JUST, UH, A QUICK TIP THIS OFF AS WELL.
UH, IF I COULD, UH, CHRIS AND I HAVE HAD SOME REALLY GOOD CONVERSATIONS.
UH, I THINK VERY, VERY PRODUCTIVE AND I THINK WE BOTH AGREED THAT IT WOULD BE VERY PRODUCTIVE, UH, TO COME AND HAVE A, UH, A MORE COMPREHENSIVE DISCUSSION WITH YOU ABOUT, UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING IN TERMS OF PAVEMENT, UH, REHABILITATION, UH, AND SHARE ALL THE INFORMATION ALL AT ONE TIME, UH, HERE AND THEN LET YOU GIVE US SOME COUNSEL ADVICE AND, AND DIRECTION IN TERMS OF WHAT, HOW YOU WOULD LIKE US TO, UH, PROCEED.
UH, BUT, UH, UM, EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES, UH, REQUIRE THAT WE, WE DO SOME OUT OF THE BOX THINKING.
AND I APPRECIATE, UH, THE FACT THAT, UH, SEVERAL OF YOU, INCLUDING COUNCIL MEMBER PRESLEY, HAVE COMPLIMENTED THE STAFF FOR, UH, TRYING TO SAVE CITIZEN DOLLARS AND THANK OUT OF THE BOX, WE LITERALLY HAVE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF NEEDS AND LITERALLY A FEW MILLION TO PLUG THOSE HOLES.
SO LIKE THE AQUATICS FUND, OUR ROAD NEEDS ARE DAUNTING.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE AS CLEVER AND SCIENTIFIC ABOUT HOW WE DO THINGS.
AND WITH THAT, I'M GONNA LET, UH, UH, NICK GIVE A PRESENTATION AND THEN, UH, HEAR FROM, FROM YOU ALL.
SO I'M GONNA FLY THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICK.
I KNOW WE'VE GOT ABOUT 15 MINUTES.
UM, SO YOU'VE GOT THE WHOLE PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO ALL THE DETAILS, SO, UM, AS A FOLLOW-UP, IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS AFTER THIS, UM, JUST LET ME KNOW, ESPECIALLY ON SOME OF THE SPECIFICS IN THERE.
SO JUST TO KIND OF SET THE STAGE IN GENERAL, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHERE WE'VE COME FROM IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS ON STREET MAINTENANCE HAS REALLY BEEN SIGNIFICANT.
UM, AND LEMME START BY SAYING IT'S DUE IN LARGE PART TO A REALLY TALENTED TEAM.
WE HAVE IN PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING.
UM, KEVIN HARVILLE, WHO'S RIGHT BEHIND ME, OUR
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ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, UH, OVERSEES OUR STREET OPERATIONS.AND WHEN WE MERGED PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING, THAT HAS REALLY HELPED US AS WELL.
SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR DIFFERENT NEW INNOVATIVE WAYS TO GET THE BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK OUT OF OUR STREET DOLLARS.
WE'VE, WE'VE DONE THAT FOR A WHILE, BUT WE'VE REALLY STARTED TO ADD SOME NEW TECHNIQUES THE PAST FIVE YEARS THAT HELP US OUT.
UM, YOU'LL RECALL, WE, WE DID THE PCI STUDY BACK IN 2015.
WE'RE DOING THAT AGAIN THIS YEAR.
UM, AND THAT COMBINED WITH A PROGRAM WE USE CALLED MICRO PAVER REALLY HELPS US TO DETERMINE HOW WE GET THE BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK.
WHEN IS THE RIGHT TIME TO DO CERTAIN MAINTENANCE TECHNIQUES ON YOUR STREETS TO PRESERVE THE STREET AS LONG AS YOU CAN BEFORE YOU HAVE TO END UP RECONSTRUCTING IT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF BIG PICTURE, WHAT WE LOOK AT FROM A STREET OR A, A ROADWAY MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT.
UM, JUST A COUPLE NOTES REAL QUICK.
SOME OF THE BIG CHALLENGES WE HAVE WITH STREETS IN BAYTOWN RIGHT NOW.
ONE IS THE PERCENTAGE OF OUR STREETS THAT ARE PAVED IN CONCRETE.
I'LL, I'LL SHOW YOU A CHART HERE IN A SECOND.
UM, THERE ARE MORE LIMITED TECHNIQUES TO MAINTAINING CONCRETE STREETS SO THAT THAT PRESENTS A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE.
UH, WE HAVE DETERIORATING CONDITIONS ON OUR ARTERIAL ARTERIAL ROADWAYS.
SO IF YOU DRIVE GARTH NORTH MAINE BAKER ROLLING BROOK, THOSE ARE OUR FOUR BIG ONES, THEY'RE ALL AGING.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY EVERY YEAR IT GETS A LITTLE BIT WORSE.
SO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE HANDLE THAT, CONSIDERING WHAT THE COST WOULD BE TO RECONSTRUCT ALL OF THOSE ROADWAYS WOULD BE, WOULD NOT BE FEASIBLE.
THE THIRD THING THAT'S, UM, COME ONLINE THE PAST COUPLE YEARS SINCE WE DID OUR LAST P-C-I-P-C-I STUDY IS THE IMPACT OF HURRICANE HARVEY.
SO WHAT ENDS UP IMPACTING STREETS THE MOST IS WHEN WATER GETS INTO THE BASE OF THE STREET.
AND WE HAD A NUMBER OF STREETS THAT HAD WATER SITTING ON THEM FOR DAYS ON END.
AND WE BELIEVE THAT THAT DID HAVE AN IMPACT.
UM, I THINK COUNCILMAN HOSKINS DISTRICT PROBABLY SAW THE GREATEST IMPACT THERE.
AND I THINK WE'LL SEE THAT WHEN WE GET OUR PCI SCORES THIS YEAR.
THERE'S CERTAIN STREETS THAT DETERIORATED MORE OVER THOSE FIVE YEARS THAN THEY WOULD HAVE WITHOUT HARVEY.
SO GONNA TALK ABOUT THE NORTH MAINE PROJECT HERE IN A HERE IN A SECOND.
AND THIS IS AN IMPORTANT CHART TO KIND OF KEEP IN MIND BECAUSE WHERE YOU ARE ON THE SCALE OF THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE PAVEMENT DETERMINES WHAT MAINTENANCE TECHNIQUE MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
AND LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO MAKE THAT LINE AS FAR OUT AS YOU CAN GET IT UNTIL YOU HAVE TO DO RECONSTRUCTION.
SO FROM A BIG PICTURE STANDPOINT, WE'VE GOT ROUGHLY 330 MILES OF ROADWAY IN BAYTOWN.
UH, FIVE YEARS AGO THIS NUMBER WAS CLOSER TO 50 50 ON CONCRETE AND ASPHALT.
UM, IF YOU THINK OF EVERY NEW ROAD WE DO, IT'S GONNA BE CONCRETE.
SO THOSE NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY THE PAST FEW YEARS.
UM, FROM A MAPPING STANDPOINT, YOU CAN SEE THE RED ARE CONCRETE STREETS, THE BLUE IS ASPHALT.
SO MOST OF OUR OLDER AREAS SOUTH OF 1 46 IS STILL PRIMARILY ASPHALT.
AND THEN, UM, OVER IN LAKEWOOD IS STILL.
QUITE A BIT OF
DO WE HAVE, I KNOW, I KNOW SOME OFF THE TOP, BUT WHAT CATEGORY ARE THEY? ARE THEY UNDER CONCRETE? THEY'RE UNDER CONCRETE.
YEAH, SO, UM, NOT GONNA GET INTO ALL THIS DETAIL, BUT JUST A SLIDE FOR YOU TO SEE FROM 2015 TO NOW THE NUMBER OF MAINTENANCE TECHNIQUES WE'VE ADDED, WHICH IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHEN WE PLUG ALL THE DATA INTO MICRO PAPER, YOU HAVE A, YOU'RE GONNA GET A BETTER BANG FOR THE BUCK, THE MORE TECHNIQUES YOU HAVE AVAILABLE TO PLUG IN THERE.
SO THAT HAS REALLY HELPED US ADDING ALL OF THOSE NEW TECHNIQUES THE PAST FEW YEARS.
UM, THE ONE THERE AT THE BOTTOM YOU SEE IS OBVIOUSLY THE CONCRETE PAVEMENT RESTORATION, WHICH IS THE, THE TECHNICAL TERM FOR THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE SEEING ON NORTH MAIN.
AND SO REAL QUICK COMING BACK TO THIS SLIDE, NORTH MAIN, THE PCI SCORES ON NORTH MAIN FIVE YEARS AGO, WERE PRETTY MUCH ALL IN THE VERY POOR TO THE POOR CATEGORY.
SO YOU CAN SEE IF YOU SLIDE OVER, WE ARE ON THE EDGE OF GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE NORTH MAINE IS ALMOST TOO FAR GONE.
WE'RE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT THERE YET, WHICH IS GOOD.
SO IF WE, IF WE TOOK ANOTHER FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, YOU KNOW, IT GETS TO THE POINT WHERE WE, IT STARTS TO BECOME REALLY, REALLY, REALLY COSTLY.
SO THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU A GOOD PICTURE OF, YOU KNOW, WHY THE TECHNIQUE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT WAS, WAS WHAT MADE SENSE FOR NORTH MAINE.
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SO AT A HIGH LEVEL, JUST KIND OF TALKING THROUGH WHAT IS CONCRETE PAVEMENT RESTORATION, I GAVE YOU ALL A ONE A ONE PAGER ON, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE DETAILS, WHY IT MAKES SENSE, WHAT IT ALL INVOLVES.UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT IS FINDING A WAY ON CONCRETE STREETS TO PRESERVE THAT LIFE AS LONG AS YOU CAN.
UM, THERE'S A, A DATA POINT ON THAT ONE PAGER.
UM, CALTRANS, WHICH IS THE TDOT IN CALIFORNIA, UM, DID A STUDY OF THEIR WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE WITH, UM, THE CPR TECHNIQUE.
AND IT HAS ON AVERAGE EXTENDED THE LIFE OF THEIR CONCRETE ROADWAYS BY 17 YEARS.
SO WE LOOK AT DATA LIKE THAT AND LOOK AT WHAT OTHER OPTIONS WE HAVE ON ROADS LIKE NORTH MAINE.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT GOT US TO SAYING THIS IS A TECHNIQUE THAT REALLY, REALLY MAKES SENSE.
WE'VE BEEN LOOKING, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT OTHER ALTERNATIVES FOR CONCRETE STREETS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
WE'VE ACTUALLY STUDIED THIS TECHNIQUE FOR PROBABLY TWO OR THREE YEARS AT LEAST.
UM, WE'VE TALKED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, EXPERTS AT THE, AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL.
WE'VE TALKED TO SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES WHO HAVE DONE SIMILAR PROJECTS.
UM, THIS HAS DONE QUITE HEAVILY, UM, AT, AT THE DOT LEVEL.
UM, I'LL GIVE A COUPLE EXAMPLES ON THAT, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO, INTO THINKING ABOUT AND IT REALLY IS KIND OF THAT, THAT LAST ALTERNATIVE FOR OUR CONCRETE STREETS.
IF YOU THINK ON ASPHALT, YOU'VE GOT A TECHNIQUE LIKE MILL AND OVERLAY THAT KIND OF PRESERVES THAT LIFE, RIGHT? WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE THAT FOR CONCRETE, RIGHT? AND THIS, THIS IS THE TYPE OF PROJECT THAT DOES THAT.
SO THE MAJOR COMPONENTS OF THIS TYPE OF PROJECT AND ALL OF THESE COMPONENTS YOU WILL SEE ON NORTH MAIN, UM, THEY'RE REALLY SPLIT BETWEEN, UH, TWO THINGS.
ONE IS PREVENTION AND DELAY, AND THAT IS TECHNIQUES THAT WE'RE DOING TO, UM, KEEP WATER FROM GETTING DOWN TO THE BASE TO THE BASE OF THE STREET.
LONG TERM RESTORATION AND IMPROVEMENT IS ACTUAL, UM, IMPROVEMENT OF THE CONCRETE ITSELF.
SO, UH, THE FIVE TECHNIQUES, UH, INCLUDED IN CONCRETE PAVEMENT RESTORATION.
FIRST IS THE FULL DEPTH REPAIRS MADE TO THE PAVEMENT.
THAT'S THE WORK THAT YOU'RE SEEING GOING ON IN NORTH MAIN RIGHT NOW.
IT'S THE MOST TIME INTENSIVE, UH, PORTION OF THE PROJECT AND IT'S THE PART WHERE AS YOU DRIVE RIGHT NOW, IT LOOKS WEIRD.
IF IT WAS JUST DONE BY ITSELF, UM, IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY MAKE SENSE.
SO THAT'S THE WORK YOU'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW AND YOU GO IN AND YOU DO ACTUAL FULL DEPTH REPAIRS OF ANY PAVEMENT THAT IS REALLY TOO FAR GONE.
AND REALLY THE NEXT TWO STEPS ARE, ARE DONE AT ONCE AND THAT IS A DOW BAR, RETROFIT AND CROSS STITCHING AND THEN DIAMOND GRINDING.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE EXAMPLE OF KIND OF A PICTURE OF WHAT DOW BAR RETROFIT LOOKS LIKE, UM, THAT'S THE, THAT'S KIND OF THE IMAGE OF IT THERE.
UM, JUST TO SHOW YOU REAL QUICK, DIAMOND GRINDING, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE, BUT THAT'S, THAT ENDS UP BEING WHAT THE PAVEMENT LOOKS LIKE.
SO SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE THE AESTHETIC OF THE STREET THAT YOU SEE RIGHT NOW, IT'S KIND OF A PATCHWORK.
UM, THAT AESTHETIC WILL LOOK MUCH DIFFERENT ONCE YOU DO DIAMOND GRINDING.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES HERE LOCALLY.
UM, IF YOU'VE DRIVEN SAN TAVI RIGHT NEAR SAN JACINTO BOULEVARD, WHEN THAT SECTION WAS PUT IN, IT WAS NOT PUT IN, NOT INSTALLED CORRECTLY.
AND SO IT WAS VERY, VERY ROUGH.
SO THE CONTRACTOR WAS REQUIRED TO GO BACK AND ACTUALLY GRIND IT.
AND IF YOU DROVE IT BEFORE AND YOU DRIVE IT NOW, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE.
AND THAT'S JUST ONE LITTLE SECTION.
UM, A COUPLE OTHER EXAMPLES IN THE HOUSTON AREA, IF YOU DRIVE I 10 GOING TO SAN ANTONIO, ONCE YOU'RE ON I 10 WEST OF SIX 10, YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S A, A LONG SECTION OF PAVEMENT THERE THAT RIDES REALLY NICELY.
AND THEY'VE BASICALLY DONE THIS, THIS SAME TECHNIQUE ON THAT SECTION OF I TEN SIX TEN I THINK HAS SOME OTHER SECTIONS AND TWO 90 I BELIEVE AS WELL.
SO, UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE DIAMOND GRINDING COMPONENT.
BOTH OF THOSE, UM, SECTIONS WILL BE BID OUT SEPARATELY.
UM, AND THEY'LL BE DONE BY THE, BY THE SAME CONTRACTOR.
THE FOURTH, UH, THING THAT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT BECAUSE NORTH MAINE HAS A NUMBER OF MANHOLES, A LARGE NUMBER OF MANHOLES, UM, RIGHT NOW YOU'RE SEEING THEM, YOU'RE SEEING ASPHALT NEAR ALL THOSE MANHOLES.
UH, THAT'S NOT HOW IT WILL STAY LONG TERM.
UH, BASICALLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS GO IN AND, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT LEVEL WILL BE AFTER THE GRINDING IS DONE, THEY'LL DO THE GRINDING AND THEN THEY WILL COME BACK
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AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE SECTIONS ARE, ARE LEVELED UP AND THE MANHOLES ARE, ARE LEVELED WITH THE NEW STREET, UM, SECTION.AND THEN THE LAST THING THEY WILL DO IS, UM, OR THAT WE WILL DO IS COME IN AND RESEAL ALL THE JOINTS.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT LONG TERM WE'RE, WE'RE KEEPING WATER FROM GETTING DOWN TO THE BASE.
SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THE TECHNICAL COMPONENTS OF CONCRETE PAVEMENT RESTORATION.
YOU'LL SEE ALL OF THOSE COMPONENTS ON NORTH MAIN.
UM, THE FULL DEPTH REPAIRS WILL TAKE UNTIL SEPTEMBER AND AT THAT POINT WE WILL BID OUT THE DOW BALL, RETROFIT, CROSS STITCHING AND DIAMOND GRINDING.
AND THAT WILL MOST LIKELY TAKE THROUGH THE, THE REST OF THE CALENDAR YEAR.
UM, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE, KIND OF THE TIMELINE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.
UM, JUST KIND OF HITTING AGAIN REAL QUICK ON, YOU KNOW, WHY THE TECHNIQUE MAKES SENSE IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT EXTENSIVE FAILURES ON OUR MAJOR ROADWAYS AND SO THIS IS A, A TECHNIQUE THAT WE, IT'S REALLY A, IT'S REALLY THE ONLY TECHNIQUE WE HAVE TO SAVE OUR CONCRETE STREETS.
AND SO WE LOOKED AT BOTH GARTH AND NORTH MAINE AND WE PROBABLY NEED TO DO THIS TECHNIQUE ON BOTH OF THEM, ESPECIALLY ON THE SOUTHERN END OF THOSE ROADWAYS.
UH, THE REASON WE WENT WITH NORTH MAINE WAS THAT A COUPLE REASONS.
ONE, WE'RE ABOUT TO INVEST $66 MILLION IN A PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY.
SO MAKING SURE THAT THAT ROADWAY IS IN GOOD CONDITION IS, IS IMPORTANT.
WE ALSO HAVE THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH HGAC ON, ON GARTH AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO IMPACT THAT POTENTIAL FUNDING AND IT, IT WAS A LITTLE TOO COMPLEX RIGHT NOW WITH THAT PROJECT, SO WE WANTED TO KIND OF LEAVE THAT TO THE SIDE RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT MOST LIKELY THIS TECHNIQUE IS WHAT WE'LL WE'LL END UP NEEDING TO DO ON THE SOUTHERN END OF GARTH AS WELL.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE DETAILS OF, UM, NOT ONLY CONCRETE PAVEMENT RESTORATION, BUT THE NORTH MAIN PROJECT.
UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE.
I JUST WANNA, I MEAN, I'M JUST LOOKING AT YOUR PRESENTATION, SO THE ONLY THING YOU, YOU, YOU KIND OF COVERED IT, BUT IT'S WISE BAYTOWN PILOTING IT.
DID YOU COVER MOST OF THAT LAST SLIDE AND THEN WE CAN GET INTO COUNCIL DISCUSSION? YEAH, I HIT MOST OF IT PREVIOUSLY.
UM, THE, THE REASON IS WE, WE, WE NEED THIS TYPE OF TECHNIQUE FOR CONCRETE STREETS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO, THIS IS REALLY THE ONLY WAY TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF OUR CON OF OUR CONCRETE STREETS AS A TECHNIQUE.
RECONSTRUCTION OBVIOUSLY IS VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE.
UM, WE, WE DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO RECONSTRUCT GARTH, UH, MAINE BAKER.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THAT, SO WE NEED TO LOOK FOR SOME OTHER TECHNIQUES.
UM, THE, THE LAST POINT ON THERE, LAST BUDGET SESSION, WE HAD THE DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL ON LOOKING TO USE THE DIAMOND GRINDING TECHNIQUE.
AND SO THIS IS OUR, OUR FIRST CHANCE TO USE THAT.
WE'LL ALSO POINT OUT THAT WHEN WE BID THAT OUT, WE'RE GONNA ALSO BID AN ALTERNATE OPTION TO GRIND JOHN MARTIN, IF YOU ALL DRIVE JOHN MARTIN FROM I 10 TO HUNT, IT WAS NOT COMPLETED CORRECTLY.
UM, AND SO DEPENDING ON THE PRICE, WE'LL BE TALKING TO THE COUNTY OKAY.
UM, TO SEE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO, TO PAY FOR THAT.
ALRIGHT, SO LET'S GET INTO COUNCIL DISCUSSION.
SO ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON, UH, THE PRESENTATION REGARDING OF BASICALLY OF HOW ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS, HOW THEY ADDRESS OUR ROADWAYS TO BASICALLY TRY TO ADDRESS AS MANY ROADWAYS AS YOU CAN REGARDLESS? YOU KNOW, WITH ASPHALT, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE MELAN OVERLAY AND THE, THE NEW, WHAT'S IT CALLED, THE SERVICING MICROING, WHICH WE'VE SEEN SOME OF THAT IN SOME PARTS OF TOWN MM-HMM
UM, OBVIOUSLY WITH, UM, WITH CONCRETE, YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE TECHNIQUES AVAILABLE.
ASPHALT ON CONCRETE DOESN'T LAST.
ASPHALT ON SHELL CREEK DOESN'T LAST.
AND SO THIS IS OBVIOUSLY AN AN ALTERNATIVE TO THAT.
SO ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS.
SO I'M JUST GONNA START FROM THE GET GO AND I JUST WANNA PUT IT OUT THERE WHERE I'M, WHERE I'VE BEEN COMING FROM SINCE JANUARY AND BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND AND YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE ON CITY COUNCIL YOU MAY HAVE TWO OR THREE PHONE CALLS AND, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY QUITE A FEW PHONE CALLS.
I'VE HAD WELL OVER A DOZEN PHONE CALLS ON NORTH MAIN SINCE THE WORK STARTED THROUGH YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE.
AND THIS IS JUST ONE COUNCILMAN'S OPINION, BUT IN MY OPINION, IF, IF THE FAILURE IS SO EXTENSIVE AND IT WAS ALMOST TOO FAR GONE FIVE YEARS AGO, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS IF IF WE WOULD'VE BEEN GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY, I WOULD'VE, I WOULD'VE BEEN IN FAVOR OF RECONSTRUCTION
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EVEN IF IT WAS IN PHASES OVER TIME.AND I REALIZE FUNDING IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE.
BUT LISTEN, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE $66 MILLION FOR THE POLICE STATION FIRE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS EITHER, AND WE FOUND A WAY TO GET IT.
SO WHO'S TO SAY WE COULDN'T HAVE TRIED TO WRAP A NEW ROAD CONSTRUCTION INTO THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? I MEAN, THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE.
YOU JUST CAN'T SAY FUNDING'S NOT THERE.
FUNDING WASN'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE 66 MILLION SITTING AROUND FOR THE, THE NEW POLICE STATION.
SO IN MYOP, IN, IN, IN, AND I LOOK AT THAT $66 MILLION HEADQUARTERS, IN MY OPINION, ONLY NORTH MAINE DESERVE BETTER AND IT IT DESERVED TO, TO ALIGN WITH, WITH THAT NEW PUBLIC FACILITY IN A BETTER FASHION.
SO THE BIG PICTURE IN MY OPINION IS, IS IT WAS, IT WAS SOMEWHAT OF A MISSED OPPORTUNITY AND THAT'S THE WAY I VIEW IT.
BUT LIKE I SAY, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION, THAT THAT'S ONE OPINION.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU LISTEN, PUBLIC WORKS IS, HAS IS MY FAVORITE CITY DEPARTMENT.
AND I THINK THE GUYS IN PUBLIC WORKS WILL WILL TELL YOU THAT I, I TALK TO 'EM ALL THE TIME.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT IT, THERE, THERE'S OTHER THINGS TO CONSIDER ALSO.
SO THE PROCESS IN ITSELF, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THIS WAS THE THING TO DO OR NOT, IS REALLY NOT THE DRIVER OF, OF WHERE I WAS COMING FROM AND WHAT MY QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS WERE ABOUT.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS, YOU KNOW, YOU KEEP KEEP SAYING, WE, WE MADE THE DECISION WHAT WE LOOKED AT.
WELL, I MEAN THERE'S SEVEN ELECTED OFFICIALS UP HERE THAT REPRESENT THE CITIZENS OF BAYTOWN.
SO WHEN I HEAR THE WORD WE, I EQUATE THAT TO THE CITIZENS AND THEIR DULY ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES.
I DON'T JUST EQUATE THAT TO ADMINISTRATION DECIDING HOW WE'RE GONNA FIX THE NEXT STREET WHEN IT APPROACHES MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
SO THAT'S ONE THING I LOOK AT THE PROCESS ITSELF STARTED OUT AT 1.5.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO WONDER, AND, AND THAT'S WHY I SAY PERHAPS THERE'S POTENTIALLY ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT IN THIS PROCESS.
IF, IF, YOU KNOW, ONE COUNCILMAN WOULDN'T HAVE DUG IN AND AND ASKED ABOUT IT, WOULD THERE HAVE BEEN A PROCESS IN PLACE TO KNOW THAT WE'RE ALREADY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS OVER BUDGET? SO THAT, THAT, THAT WAS ANOTHER CONCERN.
UM, AND, AND I HAVEN'T CONSULTED WITH ANY NATIONAL EXPERTS.
ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS I'VE POURED A LOT OF CONCRETE IN MY LIFETIME.
I FINISHED OUT A LOT OF CONCRETE IN MY LIFETIME AND I'VE, I'VE SUPERVISED A LOT OF CONCRETE JOBS IN MY LIFETIME.
SO THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT AND YOU GET INTO THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS AND TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT IT, IF WE WOULD'VE BID IT OUT, SEEMS LIKE POTENTIALLY THERE COULD HAVE BEEN LESS RISK THERE AND IT WOULD'VE LIMITED THE, THE, THE CHANCE TO HAVE A HALF MILLION DOLLAR OVERAGE IF, IF WE WOULD'VE BID IT OUT AND WE WOULD'VE KNOWN WHAT WE'RE GETTING.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE, AND AND, AND I HAD ONE PHONE CALL AND THEY REMINDED ME THAT THE STREET MAINTENANCE TAX IS ACTUALLY VOTED ON BY THE CITIZENS AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OPTICS COULD BE A LITTLE BETTER AND PERHAPS COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE GATHERED A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE FOLKS THAT USED THE ROAD AND PERHAPS WE SHOULD HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO SPEAK FOR THEM.
AND, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE, I I APPRECIATE HAVING THE DISCUSSION NOW.
I, I, I JUST WISH WE WOULD'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS MONTHS AGO AND IF IT'S A PILOT PROJECT, IT SEEMS TO ME, AND IT'S A NEW TECHNIQUE, NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE IN BAYTOWN, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT, IT MAY HAVE BEEN A BETTER STRATEGY TO EMPLOY THE NEW TECHNIQUE OVER TWO OR THREE BLOCKS INSTEAD OF SEVERAL MILES AT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
I KNOW I WOULD PROBABLY, HEY, I, I, I PERHAPS WOULD HAVE A A HECK OF A LOT BETTER COMFORT LEVEL IF I WOULD'VE SEEN A DEMONSTRATION PROJECT AND I COULD HAVE FELT GOOD GETTING BEHIND IT.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT WAS ANOTHER ITEM THAT, THAT I THINK COULD BE PERHAPS IMPROVED UPON.
UM, AND I'VE HAD SOME, SOME OTHER CALLS JUST REGARDING THE QUALITY OF THE WORK.
BUT HONESTLY, UH, FROM WHAT I SEE, I THINK TEAMWORK DOES, DOES GOOD WORK.
UH, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM THERE, BUT SO THAT, THAT'S MY MAIN POINT.
IF, IF IT WOULD'VE BEEN BROUGHT TO US, IT COULD HAVE BEEN SIX TO ONE AND, AND MAYBE MY OPINION WAS, WAS THE ONLY OPINION SUCH AS THIS, MAYBE IT'S SIX TO ONE THE OTHER WAY, MAYBE IT'S FOUR TO THREE, BUT IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT WE IS NOT JUST ADMINISTRATION AND PUBLIC WORKS, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE ARE THE CITIZENS OF BAYTOWN WHO PAY THE TAXES AND THAT THEY SPEAK THROUGH THEIR
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DULY ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES.UM, SO I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA BELABOR THE POINT.
THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT.
AND, UH, THAT'S REALLY THE, THE GIST OF IT.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M CUTS THE BIG PICTURE.
THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER FINE DETAILS ON OTHER TECHNIQUES THAT, YOU KNOW, DOING LONGER SECTIONS AND MIGHT SAVE US A LOT OF MONEY ON DIAMOND GRINDING.
I HAD SOMEONE SEND ME SPECS ON THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR INDUSTRY THAT SAYS THAT IF WE FELT LIKE IT WASN'T DONE RIGHT AND IT DOESN'T MEET THE, UH, VERTICAL DEVIATION OF THE SURFACE, WHY ARE WE PAYING $600,000 FOR THE DIAMOND GRINDING? SO I'VE HAD A LOT OF PHONE CALLS, LIKE I SAY PERHAPS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN THE CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, BUT FOLKS HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME AND I'VE, I'VE HAD MORE CALLS ON NORTH MAINE THAN I'VE HAD ON ANY ISSUE IN AT LEAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS.
AND, UH, SO LIKE I SAY, I JUST HOPING MAYBE WE CAN BE MORE INCLUSIVE NEXT TIME.
AND, AND LIKE I SAY, I WOULD'VE VOTED FOR RECONSTRUCTION EVEN IF IT WAS IN PHASES.
OVER TIME, I REALIZE FUNDING'S AN ISSUE, BUT, YOU KNOW, FUNDING'S ALWAYS AN ISSUE.
SOMETIMES WE'RE ABLE TO FIND IT IN OTHER WAYS.
MAY MAYBE WE COULD HAVE FOUND IT IN, IN OTHER WAYS THERE.
SO LIKE I SAY, WE'RE, WE'RE AT SIX 30, SO I'VE GOT A LOT MORE I CAN SAY, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO, AND, AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT IT.
AND, AND RICK AND I DID HAVE A GOOD, HEALTHY, PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATION AND UH, YOU KNOW, YOU GET FRUSTRATED SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE ON CITY COUNCIL AND YOU GET VERY FRUSTRATED SOMETIMES AFTER THE CONCRETE'S ALREADY POURED.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM AND, AND HOPEFULLY SOME OF THE POINTS ARE WELL TAKEN AND, YOU KNOW, SO NOW I'M IN A POSITION TO VOTE FOR THE DIAMOND GRINDING, WHICH IF I WOULD'VE HAD A VOTE ON PHASE ONE TO DO THE, THE, THE PATCHES AND THE RESTORATION, I MEAN, I WOULDN'T HAVE VOTED FOR THAT.
BUT NOW, YOU KNOW, IF I DON'T VOTE FOR THE DIAMOND GRINDING
SO NOW I'M, I'M SOMEWHAT FORCED TO, TO VOTE FOR SOMETHING THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE VOTED FOR IN THE VERY BEGINNING.
SO THERE JUST SEEMS LIKE THE PROCESS CAN BE SMOOTHED OUT.
I ALWAYS APPRECIATE EVERY SINGLE TIME STAFF TRUSTED SAVE TAXPAYER MONEY.
I KNOW THE INTENTION WAS THERE.
IT'S JUST TRYING TO IMPROVE THE PROCESS, BRINGING THINGS TO COUNCIL AND HOPEFULLY MAYBE THE CITIZENS WOULD FEEL LIKE THEY'RE HURT A LITTLE MORE.
AND, AND THAT'S REALLY, IT'S AS EASY AS THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS ITEM? NONE.
SO I, I MEAN, I APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN PRESLEY'S OBVIOUSLY CONCERNED ON, ON NORTH MAIN.
I THINK MOST OF US, ANYBODY WHO DRIVES ON NORTH MAIN AGREES THAT, UH, PHASE ONE OF WHAT LOOKS ALMOST BE FIVE STEPS OF A PROCESS, BUT AT LEAST THREE MAJOR PHASES.
UM, WE WOULD ALL AGREE THAT THE FINISHED PRODUCT WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE'RE RIGHT ON RIGHT NOW IS NOT SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS GONNA BE THE, THE EXPECTED OUTCOME.
UM, I WILL RESERVE JUDGMENT ON THAT.
I, I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT THIS TECHNIQUE, UM, THE DIAMOND GRINDER, WE KNOW THAT WORKS.
I MEAN THAT WE KNOW, 'CAUSE WE'VE SEEN IT, IT'S BE WRITTEN, WRITTEN ON TWO 90 OR OBVIOUSLY, UM, I 10 WEST AND THE KATY FREEWAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE ASKED STAFF TO BE INNOVATIVE.
WE ASKED STAFF TO BE GOOD STORAGE WITH TAX DOLLARS, UH, STREET MAINTENANCE TAX DOLLARS.
I THINK THEY'VE DONE EXACTLY THAT.
I THINK WE TRIED TO GO AND, AND ADDRESS AS MANY ROADS AS WE CAN.
AS, I MEAN, THIS HAS STARTED, I COULD TELL YOU A WHOLE STRATEGIC PLAN OF, OF STREET MAINTENANCE, OF BASICALLY BENDING THE CURVE IN A SENSE WHEN I'VE SEEN THAT SAME MAP BACK, UH, TWO CITY MANAGERS AGO WAS HOW DO WE ADDRESS AS MANY ROADS IN BAYTOWN? AND IT'S GONNA TAKE A 15 YEAR, ALMOST 20 YEAR PROCESS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, MILL AND OVERLAY NEW CONSTRUCTION, NEW CONCRETE.
UH, WE WANT CONCRETE AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
OBVIOUSLY DISTRICT COUNCIL, DISTRICTS ONE AND TWO HAS A LOT OF ASPHALT, AND WE TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE, THOSE STREETS AS POSSIBLE WITH THE RIGHT MATERIAL.
UM, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE, UH, NEW CONCRETE IN DISTRICTS ONE AND TWO IN AREAS.
UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE ZERO SHOW CREEK IN ANY PART OF THE CITY.
UM, I JUST THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY IT LASTS FOREVER.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF THE ENGINEERS WERE REALLY THAT SMART WITH PUTTING OYSTER SHELLS INTO, INTO CONCRETE AS AGGREGATE, BUT IT DOES LAST FOREVER, BUT IT RIDES HORRIBLE.
SO WE, WE CONTINUE TO MOVE THE NEEDLE.
UH, I THINK, I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR, OUR STREETS IN BAYTOWN THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED A LOT OF STREETS.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A TECHNIQUE THAT, THAT IS NEW TO US.
UM, BUT NEVER, I DON'T THINK EVER HAS COUNCIL HAD EITHER, UH, VOTED ON THE TECHNIQUE ON A PER STREET BASIS.
I DON'T EVER RECALL THAT IN MY, I DON'T KNOW, 13, 14, WHATEVER MANY YEARS I'VE SERVED ON COUNCIL
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DOWN TO, TO THE LEVEL OF, OF, OF THE TECHNIQUE WE'RE GONNA USE IN, IN THE STREETS, UH, PER STREET IN A SENSE.UM, NOW I DID ASK STAFF, I THINK IT WILL BE HELPFUL TO COUNSEL, UH, WHEN WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING A COMPREHENSIVE, UH, STREETS, SIDEWALKS, PARKS, CAPITAL, PURPOSE, EVERYTHING.
AND, AND YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS, SO, UM, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN I SEE A STREET, I WANT TO KNOW, OKAY, IT'S AN ASPHALT STREET.
IS IT GOING CONCRETE? WHAT ARE WE DOING IF WE'RE NOT GONNA DO FULL RECONSTRUCTION, ARE WE DOING MICROSURFACING? SO IF THEY COULD GO AND PUT OUT A WHOLE MATRIX, UM, WE KNOW WHAT STREETS WE'RE ADDRESSING, NOT THAT WE HAVE TO VOTE ON IT, BUT AT LEAST EACH COUNCIL PERSON COULD KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE DISTRICT OF THE, OF THE METHOD THAT THEY'RE GONNA DO TO ADDRESS IT.
RICK, I'VE, I'VE EXPLAINED, YOU KNOW, EXPRESSED THIS.
I KNOW WE'RE WORKING ON IT, BUT THE POINT BEING IS IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WOULD VOTE ON.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'D HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON AND SAY, WHAT, HOW ARE WE GONNA FIX THIS STREET? THE IDEA IS WE COLLECT THE STREET, STREET SALES TAX REVENUE, RIGHT? PAY AS YOU GO.
AND THEN WE ADDRESS AS MANY STREETS AS POSSIBLE WITH WHAT THE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS, UH, AND PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING THE BEST WAY WE CAN TO GO AND GET THE BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK.
AND I THINK THAT THEY'VE CERTAINLY MADE AN ATTEMPT THAT'S NEW TO US.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE IF NORTH MAINE WAS THE RIGHT PLACE TO START OR NOT.
UM, BUT UH, THEY DID CONSULT, I'M ASSUMING, WITH NATIONAL EXPERTS.
UM, BUT I'M GONNA RESERVE JUDGMENT ON THE STREET UNTIL IT'S COMPLETED AND THEN WE SHALL SEE.
UH, IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WAS, UH, WORTH, WORTH, THE EFFORT MAY NOT BE, I DON'T KNOW, CHRIS, I, I, I, I CAN'T, AND I AGREE, AND I, AND I JUST HAVE TWO CONFIDE THAT, AND I, AND I AGREE, LISTEN, WHEN THIS PROCESS IS FINISHED, IF, IF I, I HOPE I CAN FULLY ENDORSE IT, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY I CAN.
BUT THE, THE POINT IS, AND VOTED MAY HAVE BEEN A STRONG WORD.
I THINK THE, SINCE IT'S A NEW, ENTIRELY NEW TECHNIQUE AND IT'S NOT EXACTLY CHEAP, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, I THINK VOTED IS NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT AT LEAST DISCUSSED.
AND THAT THE WORD THAT I WOULD USE AND SAID VOTED WAS PROBABLY NOT THE BEST CHOICE OF WORDS, BUT IN LIEU OF THE WORD VOTED DISCUSSED AND POSSIBLY DEBATED AND DELIBERATED TALKED ABOUT.
AND MY OTHER, AND I HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE SPENT 2.1 AND WE HAVEN'T DONE THE SOUTHBOUND LANES, DO WE ANTICIPATE SPENDING ANOTHER 2.1 AND SPENDING OVER $4 MILLION? NO, WE HAVEN'T SPENT 2.1.
THAT'S THE, THE ESTIMATE IS 2.1.
AND THAT'S JUST FOR THE NORTHBOUND LANES? NO, THE WHOLE PROJECT.
SO THAT DOES INCLUDE THE SOUTHBOUND LANES? CORRECT.
SO LIKE I SAY, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION AND UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAY, I, I'M, I'M HOPING FOR THE BEST AND I'VE, I'VE, I'VE HAD OVER A DOZEN PHONE CALLS WITH A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AND, AND I HAD SOME MYSELF.
SO I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT IT.
I I WOULD, I WOULD NOT DOUBT THAT, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY WHO DRIVES NORTH MAINE WOULDN'T HAVE A CONCERN, INCLUDING MYSELF.
BUT YEAH, LIKE I SAID, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE THE FINISHED PRODUCT.
I REALLY APPRECIATE I THE CONVERSATION HERE TODAY.
WELL, TO US, UH, ADDITIONAL TO THAT, I THINK THAT MANY OF THE CONCERNS, QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER PRESLEY HAS SURFACE WILL BE ADDRESSED AS I, I DID WANT TO, UH, WRITE ON YOUR TAIL COATS THERE ON THE DISCUSSION OF, OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
THE CITY HAS NEVER HAD A COMPREHENSIVE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
IN FACT, HERE WE'RE A FAIRLY LARGE CITY AND TO NOT HAVE ONE HAS, HAS CAUSED CONSTERNATION DIFFICULTIES, COMMUNICATION GAPS, ET CETERA.
UH, THROUGH THE YEARS, I THINK AFTER, AND YOU'LL HAVE THIS BY THE TIME YOU, UH, DELIBERATE THE BUDGET, UH, YOU'RE GONNA FIND THAT TO BE AN INCREDIBLY VALUABLE TOOL.
AND, AND THAT WILL I'M SURE PROMPT A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN THE FUTURE AS YOU CAN LOOK DOWN FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AND SEE WHAT WE INTEND TO ENGINEER AND ALL OF US, INCLUDING THE COUNCIL, ADMINISTRATION AND ENGINEERING PUBLIC WORKS, INTEND TO DO ABOUT SOME OF THIS KEY INFRASTRUCTURE AND NOT JUST ROADS, BUT EVERYTHING.
I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A VALUABLE TOOL FOR YOU.
YEAH, I KEEP, I MEAN, I WILL TELL, I KEEP, I'LL JUST USE THE WORD COMMUNICATING THAT, HAVING THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR ROADS, SIDEWALKS, PARKS, DRAINAGE, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING.
IT'S PART OF THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, BETTER BAY TOWN INITIATIVE.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
THERE IS A, AND WE HAVE, AND WE HAVE STUDIES THAT ARE GOING ON THAT'S GONNA FEED INTO SOME OF THAT, SOME, SOME ADDITIONAL DATA.
UM, AND RICK, WHAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL, UM, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT QUESTIONS DID ARISE, UM, EARLY, I THINK IT WAS LATE DECEMBER, EARLY JANUARY AND YOU DID A VIDEO TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS, UM, OF THIS TECHNIQUE.
AND SO MAYBE WE CAN SEND IT OUT AGAIN AND MAYBE HAVE FURTHER EXPLANATION ABOUT IT, THE SAVINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS.
IT'S ON, I HATE TO SHOOT IT OVER AGAIN BECAUSE IT WAS A GOOD
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HAIR DAY.SO WE'VE SAID ALL ALONG, AND I, I THINK I'VE MENTIONED TO COUNCIL MEMBER PRESLEY, WE ALL ALONG HAVE PLANNED ON DOING A VERY STRONG AFTER ACTION, UM, WITH OUR TEAM TO REALLY LOOK AT, OKAY, WHAT WENT RIGHT, WHAT WENT WRONG IF WE DO THIS TYPE OF PROJECT AGAIN, IS THERE A DIFFERENT WAY TO DO IT? AND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND I THINK THE AFTER ACTION ASSESSMENT'S A FANTASTIC IDEA HAS TO BE DONE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE POINT I WAS MAKING.
I MEAN IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE AFTER ACTION ASSESSMENT, IF IT DOESN'T COME OUT TOO ROSY, YOU MIGHT HAVE PREFERRED TO HAVE A NOT SO HOT AFTER ACTION ASSESSMENT ON A MUCH SMALLER PROJECT THAN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OVER MILES OF ROADWAY.
SO THAT, THAT'S THE POINT WE DO AFTER ACTIONS, EVEN WHEN WE THINK IT DID TURN OUT PERFECTLY, BECAUSE WE KNOW IT COULD ALWAYS BE DONE BETTER.
SO, AND ANOTHER PART OF THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A MEASUREMENT OF THE PCI INDEX OF NORTH MAINE BEFORE THE, THE PROJECT, SO I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GONNA DO THE SAME THING AFTER.
SO YEAH, THE COMMITMENT, UH, KEVIN, UH, HAD THE CONTRACTOR WHO DID THE PCI AGREE THAT THEY WILL COME BACK AFTER NORTH MAIN IS COMPLETED AND RE REIVE THAT AND GET THE NEW PCI ON THAT STREET.
I MEAN, I KNOW WITH MILL AND OVERLAY, I THINK ONCE WE DO MILL AND OVERLAY IN A, IN A, IN A ROADWAY, IT AUTOMATICALLY GOES TO LIKE 80 OR SOME KIND OF PRESET POINT.
SO I'M ASSUMING THIS ONE WE'RE GONNA MEASURE BECAUSE WE, WE ACTUALLY WANNA KNOW IF THERE'S DATA ON THE YEAH.
RIDEABILITY, WE'LL SEE WHAT THE DATA SHOWS.
I THINK EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DISCUSSED ON THAT ITEM.
SO WE WILL NOW, UH, ADJOURN OUR COUNCIL WORK SESSION.
THERE'S ACTUALLY STILL ONE ITEM, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT UNLESS Y'ALL REALLY WANT TO.
BUT IT'S TO DISCUSS ANY OR ALL THE AGENDA ITEMS ON OUR REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT WILL BE OCCURRING HERE IN THE NEXT MINUTE OR TWO.
BUT THAT, THAT MEETING IS ADJOURN OF THE COUNT OF THE CITY COUNCIL.