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SORRY, I WAS LOOKING THE WRONG WAY.[ CITY OF BAYTOWN NOTICE OF MEETING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TUESDAY, MAY 12, 2026 4:00 P.M. COUNCIL CHAMBER, CITY HALL 2401 MARKET STREET, BAYTOWN, TEXAS 77520 AGENDA CALL TO ORDER AND ANNOUNCEMENT OF QUORUM ]
ALRIGHT, IT IS FOUR O'CLOCK, FOUR O'CLOCK.LET ME CALL TO, UH, ORDER THIS, UH, MAY 12TH MEETING OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND ASK STAFF TO CALL THE ROLE, UH, GILBERT SANTANA.
PRESENT MS. BECKY ROBBINS HERE.
AND MS. BARBARA WOOSTER PRESENT.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE ESTABLISHED A QUORUM.
SO LET'S, UH, CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER ALSO AGAIN.
[a. Consider approving the meeting minutes of the April 14, 2026, Board of Adjustment regular meeting.]
TO ITEM TWO A FOR THE MINUTES OF THE PRIOR MEETING, WHICH WAS APRIL 14.I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES IS WRITTEN.
I, A MOTION TO SECOND ANY DISCUSSION IF HEARING NONE? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AND THE MINUTES OF APRIL 14 ARE HEREBY APPROVED.
[a. Conduct a public hearing and consider a request for a zoning variance on 0.16 acres at 714 Peggy Avenue to reduce the minimum required street-side setback from fifteen (15) feet to five (5) feet in the Mixed Residential (MR) Zoning District, to allow for the construction of a single-family home.]
ITEM THREE A, UH, UH, CALLS FOR A, UH, CONDUCTING A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR A ZONING VARIANCE, EXCUSE ME, ON POINT 16 ACRES AT SEVEN 14 PEGGY AVENUE TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM REQUIRED STREET SIDE SETBACK FROM 15 FEET TO FIVE FEET IN THE MIXED RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.AND I THINK NEXT WOULD BE NIGHT TO MM-HMM
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONER BOARD.
NAY ELLO PLANNER, ONE CITY OF BAYTOWN PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BEFORE US.
TODAY WE HAVE A VARIANCE REQUEST TO REDUCE THE STREET SIDE SETBACK.
IT'S A MINIMUM 15 FEET ON THE STREET SIDE PER THE ULDC.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A REDUCTION TO FIVE FEET TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN AN MR DISTRICT.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS 0.16 ACRES AT SEVEN 14 PEGGY AVENUE.
THIS PROPERTY WAS GIFTED TO HABITAT FOR HUMANITY IN 2019 AND WAS PLOTTED, PLOTTED AS A 6,954 SQUARE FOOT LOT IN 2021.
THE LOT ITSELF IS 50 FEET WIDE AND THE DEPTH VARIES FROM 135 FEET ON THE WEST SIDE TO 142 FEET ON THE EAST SIDE.
IT'S LOCATED ABOUT A BLOCK SOUTH OF WARD ROAD AND ABOUT A BLOCK WEST OF NORTH ALEXANDER.
PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH AND WEST ARE PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST ARE A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL, MOSTLY COMMERCIAL, SMALL COMMERCIAL, SOME LARGER COMMERCIAL.
IN ORDER TO APPROVE THIS VARIANCE REQUEST, ALL EIGHT CRITERIA MUST BE MET.
STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT NOT ALL OF THE CRITERIA HAVE BEEN MET.
THEREFORE, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO DENY THE REQUEST.
IF, UM, IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN GO THROUGH, UM, I CAN GO THROUGH THE CRITERIA.
THE FIRST CRITERIA OF STAFF HILLS IS MET BECAUSE THE PROPOSED VARIANCE WOULD ALLOW RESIDENTIAL INFILL DEVELOPMENT OF AN AFFORD AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNIT.
COULD BE INFILL DEVELOPMENT, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THERE'S EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT'S ALSO IN A WALKABLE AREA AS, UM, THERE IS, UM, A GROCERY STORE, A BANK PHARMACY, AND OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE.
IT IS ALSO LOCATED VERY NEAR A HARRIS COUNTY TRANSIT BUS.
ROUTE NUMBER TWO PROMOTES THE PURPOSES OF THE ULDC DOES NOT MEET THIS CRITERIA AS THE REDUCTION IN THE VISIBILITY SITE TRIANGLE ON THE STREET SIDE WOULD, UM, POSSIBLY CAUSE A TRAFFIC HAZARD, WHICH WOULD NOT SUPPORT THE HEALTH.
NUMBER THREE, PROVIDES ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT DOES MEET THIS CRITERIA AS THE ROAD.
THE WATERLINE SEWER LINES ARE ALL
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EXISTING AND THE ADDITION OF ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME WOULD HAVE, UM, WOULD NOT MAKE A DISCERNIBLE DIFFERENCE ON THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.NUMBER FOUR HAS EXISTING SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES OR CONDITIONS.
THERE IS AN OFFSET INTERSECTION ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, AND ALTHOUGH THAT'S A BIT ODD AND IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT IRREGULARLY SHAPED, UM, THAT'S SLIGHTLY SPECIAL, BUT EASILY OVERCOME.
NUMBER FIVE IS NOT FINANCIALLY MOTIVATED OR A HARDSHIP CREATED BY THE APPLICANT.
IT DOES NOT MEET THIS CRITERIA, ALTHOUGH THE SITUATION WAS NOT CREATED BY THE APPLICANT.
THE SLIGHTLY IRREGULAR SHAPE AND THE OFFSET, UM, INTERSECTION ON THE EAST SIDE DOES NOT RISE TO THE LEVEL OF A HARDSHIP.
MINOR INCONVENIENCE MAY BE, BUT NOT A HARDSHIP.
NUMBER SIX WOULD DEPRIVE THE APPLICANT OF RIGHTS COMMONLY ENJOYED BY LANDOWNERS IN THE SAME DISTRICT WOULD CAUSE UNNECESSARY AND UNDUE HARDSHIP, IF NOT GRANTED, STAFF FEELS THAT THIS CRITERIA IS NOT MET BECAUSE IT IS NOT A HARDSHIP.
WITH AN ALTERNATIVE DESIGN, THE, UH, MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF THE ULDC COULD EASILY BE MET.
NUMBER SEVEN WILL ADVERSELY AFFECT LAND USE PATTERN OR PHYSICAL CHARACTER OF SURROUNDING USES DUE TO INADEQUATE BUFFERING SCREENING SETBACKS OR OTHER USE CONSIDERATIONS.
UM, IT DOES MEET THIS, THE, UM, THIS AREA HAS A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST IS COMMERCIAL AND ALL THE LOTS ARE DIFFERENT SHAPES AND SIZES.
SO A SLIGHTLY IRREGULAR LOT WOULD NOT STAND OUT IN THIS AREA.
NUMBER EIGHT IS NOT DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC STAFF.
FEELS THAT THIS CRITERIA WAS NOT MET AS THE REDUCTION IN THE VISIBILITY SITE TRIANGLE COULD CAUSE A POTENTIAL TRAFFIC HAZARD.
FEELS LIKE THE CRITERIA HAVE NOT ALL BEEN MET, THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL.
I STAND FOR QUESTIONS, BOARD QUESTIONS.
SO, NAY IS THE SIGHTLINES THAT, THAT Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT, IS IT WHERE EIGHTH STREET AND PEGGY MEET? IS THAT THE CONCERN? SO ON THE, THE SAFETY CONCERN TO THE, SORRY, I HAVE TO DO THIS EAST.
TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY, THAT'S WHERE, UM, THAT'S WHERE EIGHTH STREET IS.
AND ALONG THAT SIDE, THEY, THAT'S WHERE THEY WANT TO DO THE REDUCTION.
SO THAT WOULD PUT IT CLOSER TO EIGHTH STREET.
THEREFORE, TRAFFIC GOING FROM PEGGY ONTO EIGHTH STREET, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO SEE BOTH WAYS.
AND THAT'S A WALGREENS RIGHT THERE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
I BEG YOUR PARDON? THAT'S A WALGREENS RIGHT THERE? YES, MA'AM.
THERE'S A, AND THEN A BANK, A PHARMACY AND A BANK CASE.
AND THEY HAVE A SHARED ACCESS EASEMENT.
YOU CAN SEE IT IN THIS, IN THIS PHOTO, THERE'S A CAR KIND OF EXITING.
THE SHARED ACCESS, UH, NAY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION, BUT WE SEE IN THE PHOTO OF CURRENT CONDITION OPEN DITCHES, WOULD A CONSTRUCTION, AN ACCEPTABLE CONSTRUCTION PLAN OR BUILDING PLAN CALL FOR THAT, THOSE, THOSE CULVERTS TO BE FILLED IN AND OR WOULD THE DITCHES REMAIN THERE REGARDLESS? SO THOSE DITCHES ARE ACTUALLY NOT WITHIN THE PROPERTY LINE.
THOSE ARE IN THE UNIMPROVED RIGHT OF WAY.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PHOTO BACK THERE, WHERE THE, UM, JUST BELOW WHERE YOU SEE THE CAR EXITING THE ACCESS MM-HMM
UM, YOU SEE THAT CULVERT, THAT'S THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S REAL CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE EAST SIDE IS, THANK YOU.
SO ABOUT WHERE THE SIGN IS ON THAT SIDE.
THE DITCH IS NOT ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I, I THINK THAT IT, IT'S PROBABLY, UM, IT'S PROBABLY FAIR TO CALL OUT OR, OR IMPORTANT TO CALL OUT IN CONTEXT OF THINGS.
THIS LOT MEETS BOTH THE DEPTH AND THE WIDTH REQUIREMENTS, MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS AND THE SIZE REQUIREMENTS FOR ANY NORMAL SINGLE FAMILY LOT.
IN FACT, IT GOES A LITTLE BIT OVER IN SOME OF THOSE ASPECTS.
SO, UM, AS NAY POINTED OUT, THE THE DITCH IS NOT PART OF THE PROPERTY.
IT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY PART, WHICH IS NOT PART OF THAT EQUATION AT THAT POINT.
SO, UM, JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND, THE, THE FACT THAT THERE IS KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF AN IRREGULAR SHAPE TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE LOT REALLY DOESN'T COME INTO PLAY.
UM, BECAUSE EVEN WITH THAT, IT STILL IS MORE THAN THE MINIMUMS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE CODE.
RIGHT? SO THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY IS 50 FEET, THE STREET IS ONLY AROUND 20 FEET, SO THAT EXTRA SPACE IS WHERE THE DITCH IS.
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MA'AM.THE, IN THE PICTURE THAT YOU PROVIDED THE HOUSE THAT'S TO THE WEST OF THE SUBJECT LOT, IS THAT A HABITAT FOR HUMANITY HOUSE? YES, MA'AM.
THEY HAVE BUILT THREE AND THEY HAVE FOUR MORE, INCLUDING THE, UM, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
IT'S ONE OF FOUR THAT ARE PLANNED.
AND THE PLAN IS TO START CONSTRUCTION ON THIS ONE TOWARD THE END OF THE YEAR.
THE HOUSE WE'RE SEEING UNDER CONSTRUCTION TO THE NORTH OF THIS LOT.
IS THAT HOUSE MEETING THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT? YES, SIR.
SO THAT'S ABOUT WHERE RELATIVELY IT, THIS NEW HOUSE WOULD BE IF IT MET THE 15 FOOT SETBACK RIGHT THERE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE ORIENTED TO EIGHTH STREET.
IT'S GONNA BE ORIENTED TO PEGGY.
BUT THE BUT THE PEGGY THE EIGHTH STREET IS WHERE THE SIDE SETBACK IS, RIGHT? YES SIR.
SO WHEN YOU, IT, IT'S CALLED THE STREET SIDE SETBACK.
AND WHETHER NO MATTER HOW IT'S ORIENTED, WHEREVER YOU TOUCH A STREET, YOU HAVE TO GO BACK 15 FEET IN THE MR. DISTRICT.
DO YOU HAVE A SITE PLAN? I'M SORRY.
CAN YOU SHOW US THE SITE PLAN THAT WAY? I THINK THAT WOULD HELP A LOT.
I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND A CORNER LOT VERSUS A, AN INSIDE LOT.
I THINK ALMOST EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS A A CORNER LOT HOUSE HAS A DIFFERENT HOUSE, DIFFERENT DRIVEWAY USUALLY FROM THE OTHER STREET, ET CETERA.
SO I, I CAN SEE WHERE THIS LOT IS NOT LIKE THE OTHER LOTS NEXT TO IT IN TERMS OF SETBACK PERFORMANCE.
I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE OFFSET IN PEGGY STREET HAS TO DO WITH, WITH THIS LOT.
THIS INTERSECTION'S AN UNCONTROLLED INTERSECTION.
RIGHT? NO STOP SIGNS EITHER WAY.
I BELIEVE THERE IS A STOP SIGN AT IS THERE AT, UM, AT PEGGY? YEAH.
THERE'S NOT ONE ON, ON EIGHTH STREET.
THERE'S NOT ONE ON EIGHTH STREET.
MAYBE YOUR OTHER PICTURES WOULD SHOW IT NATE, MAYBE OR NOT? NO.
WELL, ANYWAY, LIKE I SAID, I I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE, LOOKED TO ME AND SOME OF THE INFORMATION WE WERE GIVEN THAT THE, THE TWO HOUSES JUST NEXT DOOR ARE, ARE VERY SIMILAR.
THEY'RE LIKE THE SAME SIZE HOUSE, THE DRIVEWAY'S ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE LOT, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT IN THIS SPOT HERE.
THE VERY SAME FOOTPRINT DRIVEWAY, EVERYTHING, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
BUT BECAUSE THAT'S THAT STREET SIDE SETBACK IS LARGER.
THAT'S WHERE YOUR DIFFERENCE COMES IN.
SO IT IS ONE OF THE DESIGN OPTIONS WHERE IF YOU FLIPPED IT OVER MIRROR IMAGE, THIS THING, AND THE DRIVEWAY WAS ON THE STREET SIDE, UM, THAT WOULD PUT THE DRIVEWAY RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION.
AND ENGINEERING SAID, EH, IT WOULD PUT THE DRIVEWAY RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION EVEN THOUGH THAT WOULDN'T, EVEN THOUGH IT'S MEETS THE 15 FOOT OR WHATEVER, IT MAY NOT RIGHT.
SO I, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS IT IS, IT'S NOT REALLY STAFF'S, UM, IT'S NOT REALLY OUR NO YEAH.
HOWEVER, THEY COULD DO THE, THE PARKING SPACES SIDE BY SIDE AND PUSH THE HOUSE BEHIND THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, OR THEY COULD, UM, PUSH THE HOUSE ALL THE WAY BACK BEHIND THE DRIVEWAY AS IT IS STACKED AS IT IS.
UM, JUST SOME THINGS THAT, THAT WERE SUGGESTED IN THE FRONT SIDE, THE SIDE.
LIKE I SAID, I MEAN, MOST CORNER LOTS DO NOT HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF LAYOUT FOR A HOUSE DRIVEWAY AS THE INTER LOTS DO.
UM, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE THIS SMALL.
WELL, IF YOU'VE EVER ALMOST HAD THE FRONT OF YOUR CAR CLIPPED OFF BECAUSE YOU'VE HAD TO PEEK OUT TO LOOK AROUND.
AND AGAIN, WE, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE, THE SAFETY CRITERIA, WE'RE NOT HERE TO DEBATE THAT YOU GUYS APPLY IT.
IT EITHER FITS OR IT DOESN'T, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I, I DROVE THE, UM, APPLICANT IS HERE AND HAS A PRESENTATION.
WELL, I THINK, I THINK I'M PROBABLY FINISHED WITH MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW.
MY NEXT NEXT QUESTION, DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY TO SPEAK? DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME? NO, NO, NO.
WE DO HAVE ONE PERSON TO SPEAK.
YOU HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE AND HE HAS A, HE HAS A OKAY.
WHICH ONE OF THESE AM I SUPPOSED TO READ THE PUBLIC HEARING? HM.
PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE HELD TO GIVE INTERESTED PERSONS THE RIGHT TO SPEAK AND BE HEARD, EVERYONE DESIRING TO SPEAK, WHICH WE HAVE TWO FOLKS,
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UH, SHOULD BE SIGNED UP, WHICH THEY ARE.EACH SPEAKER, UH, SHALL GIVE HIS, HIS OR HER NAME, UH, AND ADDRESS TO PROVIDE THE PROPER RECORD FOR THIS HEARING.
UH, THE RULES ALLOW EACH SPEAKER THREE MINUTES TO PRESENT INFORMATION.
HOWEVER, I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO BE CONCISE.
UM, AND IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS AS YOU'RE GIVING YOUR, UH, SPEECH, DIRECT THEM TO ME AND I'LL ASK STAFF TO HELP ANSWER.
I'M THE HABITAT, UH, CONSTRUCTION COMMITTEE CHAIR.
BEHIND ME, WE HAVE OUR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER, LAWRENCE COX.
THIS, UH, PRESENTATION'S VERY THOROUGH.
UM, I'M ASSUMING YOU ALL KNOW WHO THAT IS.
I THINK TO, UH, GILBERT'S POINT.
ESSENTIALLY OUR REQUEST IS TO KEEP THE, UH, DRIVEWAY ON THE SIDE CONSISTENT WITH ITS NEIGHBORING LOTS.
AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS, UH, THIS DRAWING HERE.
UH, THE REST OF THESE SLIDES ARE BASICALLY GOING TO CALL OUT THE ITEMS THAT WERE NOT APPROVED.
AND I WAS GOING TO DO MY BEST TO EXPLAIN SOME, UH, CONFLUENCE.
SO, UH, THE UNDERLINING HERE, THE REDUCTION OF THE STREET SIDE SETBACK DOES NOT ALLOW ENOUGH SPACE FOR THE TRIANGLE, UH, POTENTIALLY CREATING A TRAFFIC HAZARD.
UM, HOWEVER, OFF ALSO IN THE STAFF REPORT, IT ALSO STATES THAT ACCESS FROM PEGGY IS SAFER AND WE SHOULD STILL HAVE ROUGHLY 12 TO 15 FEET, FEET, UM, OF, UH, RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, WHICH I INTERPRET AS ENOUGH OF VISIBILITY.
NEXT POINT ON THIS ONE, BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY COVERED.
THE NEXT POINT, UH, THE UNDERLYING PORTION, THE SHAPE OF THE PROPERTY, THOUGH SLIGHTLY IRREGULAR, DOES NOT POSE DEVELOPMENT, UM, SORRY, THE DEVELOPMENT CHALLENGES NOR DOES NOT DOOR DOES THE SIZE OF THE LOT AS IS OF THE AVERAGE SIZE OR GREATER? UH, TO THIS POINT, I WOULD SAY THAT THE CORNER LOTS ARE NOT TYPICAL OF MOST MR. ZONED LOTS.
UM, A DRIVEWAY OFF OF EIGHTH STREET AND APPROXIMATE TO INTERSECTION COULD ARGUABLY SEEM LIKE A HIGHER SAFETY CONCERN THAN THE PEGGY STREET.
UM, TO Y'ALL'S PREVIOUS POINT, I WON'T ARGUE THE SAFETY.
IT'S NOT MY PLACE THAT'S YOUR'S.
UM, I THINK SOME OF THE OTHER CONDITIONS BROUGHT UP CIRCUMSTANCES LEADING TO SURE.
THIS IS, UH, NOT TYPICAL OF OTHER MR. LOTS, BUT THIS IS NOT A TYPICAL MOD LOCK, UH, REGARDING DIFFERENT DESIGNS.
AND THESE INCONVENIENCES ARE EASILY OVERCOME.
THE MOST PROBABLE ALTERNATIVE DESIGN IS A DRIVEWAY IN THE BACKYARD, UH, WHICH WOULD KIND OF DEFEAT THE POINT OF HAVING A BACKYARD, UM, POTENTIALLY POSING A SAFETY RISK FOR CHILDREN.
UH, IF THEY DON'T HAVE THAT LOCATION AT PLAY, THEY WOULD LIKELY RELOCATE TO WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS NOT.
AND FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, THERE'S ONE MORE, UH, ITEM IN HERE THAT WAS, UH, CALLED OUT.
BUT I FEEL LIKE THE POINTS THAT I WOULD MAKE WITH KIND OF, UH, MIRROR ONTO THIS ONE AS WELL IN TERMS OF, UH, DRIVER CONSTRAINTS AND ALTERNATIVE DESIGNS, EXISTING PATTERNS.
IS THAT
THEN ANY QUESTIONS OF JARED? I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
SO IN THE PHOTO THAT YOU SHOWED OF THE HOUSE THAT'S CURRENTLY BUILT, THAT WOULD BE NEXT DOOR.
SO MY, I GUESS WHERE MY QUESTION IS COME, GONNA COME IN IS THERE'S A FENCE.
AND FOR ME, ADDING THAT FENCE VISIBLY, IF THE PROPERTY WAS OPEN, IT KIND OF LENDS ITSELF TO MORE TO BETTER SIGHT LINES.
BUT, YOU KNOW, A PROPERTY OWNER CERTAINLY HAS A RIGHT TO FENCE TOO.
SO THAT KIND OF CLOSES FOR ME, KIND OF THE SIGHT LINES, IF THAT PROPERTY WERE TO BE FENCED AS WELL.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU GUYS DO, OR, SO THAT FENCE GOES WITH THE HOUSE THAT'S NEXT DOOR? I, I THINK WE CAN BE
SO I DON'T THINK A FENCE IS, WOULD ADD TO THAT.
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REALLY OUR MAIN POINT CONCERN ON THAT.IT'S, I SEE THAT IN THIS PHOTO NOW.
AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT US BUILDING A FENCE, THAT'S NOT US, THE LANDOWNER, ONCE THEY TAKE POSSESSION OF THE PROPERTY, THEY DECIDE HAS THAT OPTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF, IF NOT, UH, MR. COX, YOU'RE UP NEXT.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT WITH HIM.
UM, JARED, COULD YOU PUT IT BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT YOU HAD THAT HAD THE, UM, SITE PLAN ON IT? I THINK THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.
IF YOU COULD JUST LEAVE IT ON THAT SURE.
FOR US, THAT, THAT GIVES US A GOOD POINT OF, UH, OF REFERENCE.
I APPRECIATE YOU INCLUDING THAT.
I, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
SO IF THIS HOUSE WAS MOVED OVER OR MOVED, UH, WEST OFF THE PROPERTY LINE OF 15 FEET, A SIX FOOT FENCE COULD STILL BE CONSTRUCTED ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT OF THAT HOUSE, WHICH WOULD BE A SIX FOOT FENCE IN THE SIGHT LINE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT, RIGHT? I MEAN, THE HOUSE WOULD ALREADY BE IN THAT TIGHT LINE.
SO YES, THE, THE HOUSE WOULD ALREADY BE THERE.
IF THE HOUSE WAS MOVED OVER, THEN THERE'D BE A SIX FOOT FENCE THERE, NOT A HOUSE.
SO HOW DO YOU KEEP A, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FENCE, THE FENCE IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE ON THE PROPERTY LINE, NOT EVEN FIVE FOOT OFF.
RIGHT? SO THE FENCE WOULD GO DOWN THE PROPERTY LINE DOWN EIGHTH STREET TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE THAT IS 15 FOOT AWAY FROM THE EIGHTH STREET, BUT THERE'S STILL A SIX FOOT TALL FENCE THERE.
SO I, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE, SO THE, THE FENCE IS REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU DO, THE FENCE CAN'T BE OUT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO THE SUGGESTION TO THE DESIGNERS ON THIS ONE WOULD BE TO MOVE, AND I'M JUST, JUST TO ORIENT YOU TO THE PICTURE THAT'S ON YOUR SCREEN, THAT THE HOUSE GET MOVED TO THE LEFT, AND THEN THE REQUIREMENT FOR PARKING IS TWO SPACES PER HOUSE.
SO THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DRIVEWAY WILL ALLOW FOR TWO SPACES, IT IS 12 FEET.
SO YOU WOULD BRING THIS BACK FAR ENOUGH SO THAT YOU COULD HAVE TWO SPACES AND HAVE THE DRIVEWAY IN LINE WITH THE HOUSE INSTEAD OF NEXT TO IT.
THERE'S NO, THE GARAGE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S NO GARAGE AS PART OF THE, AS PART OF THE DESIGN.
SO THE, THAT THE PARK IN FRONT, SO YOU PARK IN FRONT OF, INSTEAD OF UP TO THE SIDE OF IT, AND THEN YOU, THE HOUSE WOULD BE PUSHED BACK SOME ENABLING THAT TO GET OUT OF THAT SITE TRIANGLE.
AND, AND THAT'S JUST, AGAIN, WITHOUT REDESIGNING IT FOR THEM, THAT IS JUST ONE, IF YOU CUT EVERYTHING OUT ON PIECES OF PAPER TO SCALE AND JUST START MOVING AROUND, THAT'S THE EASIEST ANSWER.
SO YOU BASICALLY MOVE THE HOUSE, YOU HAVE TO MOVE IT 10 FEET, WHICH IS ALMOST A 12 FOOT DRIVEWAY, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO YOU MOVE IT ALMOST TO WHERE THE EDGE OF THE DRIVEWAY IS AND YOU JUST HAVE A WIDER DRIVEWAY IN FRONT BY PUSHING THE HOUSE BACK SOMETHING BECAUSE THE HOUSE NEEDS TO BE FARTHER BACK FOR THE DRIVEWAYS TO BE INSIDE THE TWO TOO FAR LENGTHS.
UM, IT, IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO WHENEVER ANYBODY ASKS STAFF ABOUT VARIANCES, WE JUST SAY, IS THERE A WAY TO REDESIGN THE SITE THAT YOU DON'T NEED THE VARIANCE? IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT REALLY MY QUESTION TO ANSWER, BUT, BUT WE OFTEN DO LOOK AT IT AND GO, WELL, IF I CAN SEE THE ANSWER, THEN OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN SEE THE ANSWER.
AND MAYBE, AND MAYBE THEY HAVE A BETTER ANSWER.
I'M STILL, I'M STILL, I'M GONNA TELL YOU I'M HUNG UP.
YOU CAN MOVE THE HOUSE IF YOU MOVE IT FARTHER BACK ON THE PROPERTY.
TO ME, THAT SOLVES THE SIX FOOT FENCE SIGHT LINE AS WELL.
WHERE IT IS, WHERE IT IS TODAY.
LEAVE THE DRIVEWAY WHERE IT IS.
I MEAN, WHERE IT IS TODAY, EVEN IF YOU MOVED IT, YOU KNOW, UH, AWAY FROM EIGHTH STREET BUT DIDN'T MOVE IT BACK ON THE PROPERTY, YOU HAVE A SIX FOOT FENCE COMING ALL THE WAY UP TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, WHICH POSSIBLY TO ME IS BASICALLY JUST AS BAD OR WORSE THAN HAVING THE HOUSE FIVE FOOT OFF THE THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO THE PROPERTY.
YOU HAVE A FENCE ON THE PROPERTY LINE NOW, VINCE WOULDN'T BE A, WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO BE ANY CLOSER THAN THE HOUSE IS.
IT WOULD BE UP TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT? IT IT WOULD, IT WOULD PROBABLY CONNECT TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
IT WOULD CONNECT TO THAT BACK CORNER AND GO TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THE, THE ONE NEXT TO IT CAME UP ALMOST TO THE FRONT.
SO, SO IF THEY APPLIED FOR A PERMIT, THE PERMIT SYSTEM WOULD NOT ALLOW THEM TO BRING IT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE ON THE CORNER LOCK.
THIS IS A SPECIAL SITUATION BECAUSE THEY'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE AND THEY'RE WITHIN THE SIDE YARD SETBACK.
IF THEY WERE NOT WITHIN THE SIDE YARD SETBACK, THEY COULD BRING IT UP ALL THE WAY.
BUT THIS IS WITHIN THE SIDE YARD SETBACK.
AND THEY HAVEN'T ASKED FOR A VARIANCE FOR A FENCE.
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A VARIANCE FOR A HOUSE.SO WE WOULD SEE THAT LATER AND SAY, OKAY, THE HOUSE IS ALREADY IN THE SETBACK, WILL PROBABLY ALLOW YOU TO BRING IT UP TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, BUT YOU CAN'T BRING IT BEYOND THAT.
AND, AND THEORETICALLY WE, WE WOULD HAVE THIS APPLICANT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOUSE AND THEN A WHOLE NOTHER APPLICANT AFTER THE HOUSE IS FINISHED, CORRECT, SOLD, OCCUPIED.
AND, AND I THINK WE'RE NOT GONNA HOLD THE CURRENT APPLICANT TO THAT.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THEIR THING.
BUT IF IT WERE PUSHED BACK, THAT WOULD SORT OF ELIMINATE THE FUTURE POTENTIAL FOR A, A VARIANCE REQUEST.
YEAH, I I, YOU KNOW, FOR, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I DROVE THAT, I DROVE THAT INTERSECTION.
I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S A, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A STOP SIGN ON PEGGY, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I, I THINK SOME OF THE, ONE OF THE PICTURES WE SAW SHOWED PEGGY COMING FROM THE WEST TO EIGHTH STREET RIGHT THERE.
THERE'S NOT ONE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A STREET SIGN, BUT I CAN'T TELL IF THERE'S A STOP SIGN.
NO, I, I DIDN'T SEE A STOP SIGN.
THERE WAS A CITY TRUCK WHEN I WENT BY THERE.
I, I WENT BY TODAY AND I DIDN'T STOP.
THERE'S SO KNOW THERE'S NOT A STOP SIGN AT PEGGY GOING STREET THAT WAY.
I THINK IT IS AN UNCONTROLLED ON EIGHTH STREET.
AND I THINK ON, ON PEGGY STREET, PEGGY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO, IT HAS A STOP SIGN THERE.
IT DOESN'T SHOW UP IN THESE PICTURES.
BUT I, I, I COULDN'T SEE THERE WAS A TRUCK.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT SEEING ANY STOP SIGNS ON STREET, STREET VIEW RIGHT NOW.
THEY MAY BE ON THE OFFSET, PEGGY, BUT I DIDN'T SEE, I DIDN'T SEE IT IN FRONT OF THIS PROPERTY.
WELL, HERE AGAIN, FOR, FOR ME, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE WHATEVER CALCULATIONS THAT ARE USED FOR THE, UH, LINE OF SIGHT SAFETY AND ALL THAT, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT DEBATING THAT IT EITHER MEETS IT OR IT DOESN'T.
AND IF THAT ALL BY ITSELF WOULD BE THE REASON THAT YOU COULDN'T PERMIT THIS, THEN IT'S HARD FOR ME TO WAIVE A SAFETY, UH, RELATED REQUIREMENT.
WHETHER WE AGREE ON, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE OR NOT, IT'S THE WAY IT'S CALCULATED IS THE WAY IT'S CALCULATED.
UM, A LOT OF THESE OLDER HOMES THAT ARE BUILT ALONG THIS DON'T HAVE, UM, AT LEAST WHAT I NOTICED ON THE REST OF EIGHTH STREET, AREN'T AS CLOSE TO THE STREET ON CORNERS.
I LOOKED AT CORNER LOTS, I DIDN'T LOOK AT OTHER STUFF.
THE CORNER, THE, THE CORNER LOT'S UNIQUE, BUT IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO A NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF YOU, IF YOU BUY A CORNER LOT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT LOT.
YOU KNOW, THE SETBACKS ARE DIFFERENT ON THE SIDES.
NO DIFFERENT THAN BUYING A LOT THAT HAS UTILITY EASEMENTS ON BOTH SIDES.
YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE BUYING THAT LOT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH.
AND YOU HAVE TO DESIGN WITHIN THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LOT.
THE IRREGULAR SHAPE IN THE BACK HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT THERE.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT ONE, THAT ONE ITEM ALONE IS, IS WHERE I'M STRUGGLING TO, TO SAY THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE A SAFETY ISSUE.
'CAUSE I'M NOT QUALIFIED TO DEBATE THAT, HOW THAT'S BEEN CALCULATED ON THE TRIANGULAR LINE OF SIGHT.
AND, AND THAT IS WHY THE ON SITE OR ON CORNER LOTS, THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE TO MEET THAT 15 FOOT THAT ENSURES THAT IT KEEPS IT OUT OF THE SITE TRIANGLE.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHY THAT'S THERE.
SO WHAT'S THE FRONT SETBACK ON THIS? THE WAY THE ULDC DOES, THE 15 SIDE TRIANGLE IS FRONT SIT BACKS 15 FROM, FROM THE CORNER.
YOU GO 15 FEET THIS WAY, AND YOU GO 15 FEET THIS WAY.
AND THEN YOU CONNECT THOSE TWO POINTS.
AND WITHIN THAT TRIANGLE, THAT'S THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE.
AND I BELIEVE THE FRONT SETBACK IS 15 FEET AS WELL.
IT'S, THEY HAVE THIS HOUSE AT 20 FEET BACK.
SO I THOUGHT THE STAFF REPORT NUMBER SEVEN CALLED OUT THAT WE'D HAVE 12 TO 15 FEET OF VISIBILITY.
SO THE, THE THE RIGHT OF WAY IS 15 FEET.
I MEAN, THE RIGHT OF WAY IS 50 FEET.
THE STREET ITSELF IS ONLY 20 FEET.
THAT'S WHERE THE DITCH IS ON THAT SIDE.
SO THE, IF YOU LOOK WHERE THAT UTILITY POLE IS, THAT'S PRETTY, UM, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
A 15 FEET START AT THE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY LINE OR THE CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION.
AND YOU SEE THIS, THERE'S GRASSY AREA IN THERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE RIGHT, I'M SURE BOTTOM LINE.
BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IF THERE IS A DIFFERENT SITE DESIGN THAT CAN BE DONE AND STILL ALLOW FOR THIS STRUCTURE, THEN YOU HAVE NOT MET THE HARDSHIP REQUIREMENT.
THAT'S REALLY, THAT, THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE FOR STAFF ON THIS ONE.
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A HOUSE BEING THERE.UM, WE, WE WANT TO SEE THEM GET THIS DONE.
WE JUST BELIEVE THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO DO IT.
SO IF THE ALTERNATIVE DESIGN THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE BEING PROPOSED IS BASICALLY DOUBLE DRIVEWAY OR DOUBLE WIDE DRIVEWAY, HALF SHORT ON THE RIGHT SIDE IN THIS IMAGE HERE, WOULD THAT NOT PUSH HALF OF IT CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION AND POTENTIALLY CAUSE A SEPARATE CONCERN? SO WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, SO IS PUTTING THE DRIVEWAY HERE, SO INSTEAD OF STACKING IT END TO END, IT'D BE SIDE TO SIDE, RIGHT THIS POINT.
AND THEN YOU'D HAVE TO PUT TO THE INTERSECTION OR EVEN PUSH THE HOUSE TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE LOT.
WELL, THE DRIVEWAY COULD START TWO FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE, AND THEN IT WOULD GO 10 BY NINE BY 10.
IT WOULD GO, UM, 20 FEET THIS WAY, SCOOT.
OR I'M SORRY, 18 FEET THIS WAY BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE NINE FEET, SCOOT THE HOUSE BACK WIDE, START TWO FEET BOARD MEMBERS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND GO 18 FEET? WE, WE, UH, WE'RE KIND OF IN THE, THE WHOLE REDESIGN THE LOT.
I MEAN, I THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH ALL KINDS OF WAYS TO FIT SOMETHING ON THERE.
I THINK THAT'S THE POINT, RIGHT? THAT IS THE POINT.
I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE EFFICIENCY OF BUILDING THE SAME THING EXACTLY THREE TIMES, FOUR TIMES, ET CETERA.
IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE HOUSE DESIGN COULD, COULD BE THE SAME, THE LOCATION WOULD BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND THE DRIVEWAY WOULD BE DIFFERENT.
AND I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THIS IS THE CASE, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE WE LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, THE LOT IS NOT THE PROBLEM.
THE DESIGN OF YOUR HOUSE IS THE PROBLEM IN THE FOOTPRINT THAT IT CREATES OR WHERE IT'S AT ON THE LOT OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS COULD.
AND I THINK, AGAIN, NOT SUGGESTING THAT THE HOUSE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, BUT THE DESIGN OF THE LOT CAN BE CHANGED.
AND, AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.
SO, UM, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY AS STAFF IS HAPPY TO HELP HABITAT KIND OF WALK THROUGH THIS AND THEIR DESIGNERS WALK THROUGH, IS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DOES WORK, UM, IS THE GOAL OF HABITAT TO HAVE THREE HOUSES LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME? NO.
BUT IN TERMS OF, UH, DEEP POCKETS, THAT DOESN'T EXIST.
AND SO EACH RECYCLE REQUIRES GREATER TIME AND MONEY.
AND FOR THE NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE DOLLAR GO THE FURTHEST, UH, A POTENTIAL VARIATION VARIANCE WAS, UH, I PROPOSED AS THE BEST BALANCE OF WHAT A NONPROFIT CAN DO AND WHAT'S POTENTIALLY BEST FOR THE FAMILY AND THE KIDS THERE.
AND STILL NOT ADDING ANY, UH, POTENTIAL SAFETY OR RISK IMPLICATIONS TO THE INTERSECTION.
APPRECIATE THE, THE WHOLE NONPROFIT COMPONENT AND SAVING MONEY.
BUT IF THI IF THIS WAS NOT HABITAT FOR HUMANITY APPLYING FOR THIS, WE WOULD APPLY THE SAME CRITERIA AND COME UP WITH THE SAME ANSWER.
UM, AND, AND WE, WE CAN'T DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN A NONPROFIT BUILDING THIS OR A A AN INDIVIDUAL BUILDING THIS IF IT DOESN'T MEET THE CITY'S CRITERIA.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS, APPLY THE CRITERIA JUST LIKE THEY DID.
I WAS TRYING TO FIND WAYS IN MY MIND TO MAKE SOME OF THIS WORK.
NOT, WE DON'T DISAGREE WITH STAFF, BUT SOMETIMES WE LOOK AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.
AND THE HABITAT COMPONENT WAS NOT A FACTOR FOR ME.
ANYBODY COMING TO BUILD THIS, THIS HOUSE HERE.
AND WHAT I SAW WAS A DESIGN THAT WORKS REALLY WELL ON AN INTERIOR LOT, TRYING TO BE PUT ON A CORNER LOT.
AND THE LOT IS DIFFERENT AND EVERY CORNER LOT IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IS DIFFERENT.
BUT THAT'S, DOESN'T MAKE IT A HARDSHIP.
IT JUST MAKES IT A DIFFERENT LOT THAT YOU HAVE TO DESIGN DIFFERENT.
I MEAN, EVERY NE MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I JUST, I LOOKED AT MY NEIGHBORHOOD CLOSER WHERE I LIVE AND I'M LIKE NOTICING THE, THE GARAGES ARE COMING IN FROM THE SIDE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ALL THERE.
IF YOU BUY A CORNER LOT, THAT'S WHAT YOU GET AND THAT'S WHAT YOU DESIGN FOR.
SO, UM, I DON'T THINK THE LOT'S THE PROBLEM.
I DON'T THINK THE INTERSECTION'S THE PROBLEM.
I THINK IT'S A CORNER LOT AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SHOULD DESIGN FOR.
AND INDEED, I'LL, I'LL ADD, WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO FACTOR IN THAT IT'S A NONPROFIT, WHICH I DEARLY, DEARLY LOVE, BUT WE CAN'T BOTTOM LINE.
ANYTHING ELSE Y'ALL WANNA TELL US BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO.
I'LL NOW CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, AS A PART OF, UM, UH, THREE A, UM, WE NEED TO NOW, UM, UH, ACTUALLY CONSIDER THE VARIANCE FORMALLY AND EITHER GRANT IT OR
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NOT GRANTED.AND, UH, LET'S HAVE COMMENTS ON, ON THAT, PLEASE.
UM, WELL, I I, I, I'VE MADE ALL MY COMMENTS.
I MEAN, THE FIVE FOOT SETBACKS, LIKE AN INTERIOR LOT AND YOU KNOW, ANYTHING YOU DO ON THAT SIDE, EVEN THE LITTLE AC UNIT SITTING THERE RESTRICTS ACCESS AND, UM, BUT IN AN INTERIOR LOT, THAT'S WHAT YOU GET, LADIES.
AGAIN, AS I ALWAYS SAY, AND AS AS STAFF HAS POINTED OUT, WE MUST FIND THAT ALL EIGHT CRITERIA ARE MET.
AND MY CALCULATION IS THAT THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO, IF NOT THREE, THAT ARE NOT MET.
AND HAVING SAID THAT, I WOULD REQUEST A MOTION TO DENY THE VARIANCE MI MR. WILSON, I MOVE THAT WE DENY THE VARIANCE REQUEST FOR THIS PROPERTY.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND.
ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NONE, ALL IN FAVOR OF DENYING THE REQUEST, PLEASE SAY AYE.
NONE OPPOSED THEN THE VARIANCE IS DENIED.
[a. Receive a report from the Director of Planning and Development Services.]
FOUR, A DIRECTOR'S REPORT.UH, I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT.
UH, YOU DID HAVE, UH, AN ITEM LAST MONTH, SO THAT, THAT, UM, THANK YOU FOR SHOWING UP TWO MONTHS IN A ROW.
WHAT'S UP WITH THAT? YEAH, WE'VE BEEN ON VACATION.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ONE NEXT MONTH TOO.
WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE TWO TONIGHT.
AND, UH, THERE WAS A, THAT, THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT.
SO, UH, NEXT MONTH YOU WILL HAVE ANOTHER VARIANCE REQUEST.
FREQUENCY NEXT MONTH IS, I'M JUST GONNA TELL YOU NOW, OH, UM, YEAH, THE DATE ON VACATION AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE HAVING TO WORK.
BETTER HOPE KEVIN'S AVAILABLE.
THE, THE FOLLOWING WEEK I'M OUT.
UM, AND WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.
UM, YEAH, HOW ABOUT YOU LADIES? AS FAR AS I KNOW, UNLESS I HAVE A, A I JUST BLOCK IT.
IT WAS ASKED WHEN WE, BEFORE WE STARTED, DO WE HAVE AN ALTERNATE? DO WE NOT HAVE AN ALTERNATE? WE HAVE AN ALTERNATE AS A POSITION.
IT HASN'T BEEN FILLED IN SOME TIME.
SO KEVIN IS FIVE AND THEN WE HAVE AN ALTERNATE AFTER KEVIN, CORRECT? RIGHT.
AND SO WE ARE, UM, I NEED TO PUSH, UH, CITY COUNCIL TO APPOINT SOMEBODY.
SO HOW, HOW WOULD SOMEBODY BE CONSIDERED FOR THAT APPOINTMENT? UH, WE HAVE AN APPLICATION ON THE WEBSITE.
AND AS I THINK, UM, BECKY IS OUR MOST RECENT, UH, APPOINTMENT APPOINTEE TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
YOU PROBABLY HAD TO GO THROUGH THAT SAME PROCESS.
I THINK KEVIN CAME TWO, THREE YEARS AGO.
KEVIN, I THINK KEVIN CAME IN AFTER HER.
UM, YEAH, SO THERE IS A, AN APPLICATION ON THE WEBSITE.
SO THEY GO TO THE WEBSITE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HEADING IS WHERE IT, IT SAYS WHERE TO GO TO, BUT, OKAY.
IS THERE, IS THERE A LIMIT ON HOW MANY COMMITTEES, UH, A CITIZEN CAN SERVE ON WITH THE CITY YOU MAY SERVE ON TWO.
TWO APPOINTED COMMITTEES? YES.
UH, IT DOESN'T COUNT IF IT'S, UH, DEF UH, AN AD HOC COMMITTEE, LIKE A SHORT TERM.
LIKE, LIKE WHEN YOU BOND COMMITTEE, WHEN YOU WERE ON THE, UM, THE BOND COMMITTEE, I THINK THAT DIDN'T COUNT TOWARDS THE, IT'S, THESE ARE THE PERMANENT, UM, APPOINT APPOINTMENTS.
I, I, I HAVE SOMEONE I THINK WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT, UM, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPANT.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, SEND 'EM OUR WAY.
SEND 'EM TO ME OR LESLIE, EITHER ONE OF US AND, AND WE WILL GET 'EM WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.
I THINK THEY'RE ON OTHER CITY COMMITTEES.
IS CRIME STOP IS, UH, CRIME STOPPERS A CITY COMMITTEE? MM-HMM.
THERE IS A WHAT'S THE POLICE WHAT ADVISORY? BPAC.
UM, BAYTOWN POLICE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
THAT IS ONE, BUT I DON'T KNOW OF ONE CALLED CRIME STOPPERS.
IT DOES HELP TO HAVE WHEN NEEDED AT THE ALTERNATE.
I, I'M, I'M MISSING A MEMBER ON P AND Z AND OUR CDAC, WHICH IS OUR NEXT MEETING AT FIVE 30, UH, IS ALSO MISSING COUPLE PEOPLE.
UM, SOMETIMES WE NEED TO POKE CITY COUNCIL A LITTLE BIT TO SAY, HEY, I NEED SOME PEOPLE.
SO ACTUALLY I POKE OUR CITY CLERK AND SHE POKES THEM.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'LL DO.
BUT YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE EVERYBODY VOTE THE SAME WAY FOR EVERY ITEM TO, IN ORDER TO PASS ANYTHING.
WELL, IT USUALLY HAPPENS NOT ALWAYS.
YEAH, I THOUGHT, YEAH, I THOUGHT IN THE PAST WE HAD TO HAVE FOUR.
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TWO.I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT WE IN THE PAST FOUR WAS A QUORUM, NOT THREE, I THOUGHT.
WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK THE, UH, RULES.
BUT THERE TOO THREE, IF THREE OUTTA FIVE WOULD BE A MAJORITY, UNLESS THE RULES SAY SOMETHING DIFFERENT UNLESS THE RULES SAY SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I THINK, I THINK THE ACTUAL RULES OKAY.
DO SAY SOMETHING DIFFERENT ON THIS PARTICULAR RULE.
WE'LL MAKE SURE AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE WE'VE NOT HAD A MEETING BECAUSE THE FOURTH PERSON COULD, COULD MAKE IT.
ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER BUSINESS, MARTIN? OKAY.
UH, HOW ABOUT A MOTION TO ADJOURN PLEASE? SO MOVED.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.