* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] WHY DON'T WE CALL THE MEETING ORDER? YES SIR. WE'RE READY. WELCOME EVERYBODY. WELCOME LADIES. GENTLEMEN. UM, I, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. WE NEED TO CALL THE ROLL, CORRECT? YES. LESLIE, WE'LL CALL RO. I FORGOT IT. HOLD ON. WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. GIMME ME. I LIKE TWO. YOU GOTTA GO TO THE BATHROOM. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. THOSE THINGS HAPPEN. I DON'T THINK IT HAD, AGAIN, I MISSED THE LAST MEETING AND BEFORE THAT WAS THREE MONTHS BEFORE THAT. WHERE WAS AT LAST MEETING? JUST KICKING HER THAT A LOT. IT'S ALRIGHT. BARB HANDLED IT WELL. I MIGHTY WELL, MIGHTY WELL. I READ ALL I'M THAT'S HER BACKUP. STARTED AS SOON AS, AS SOON. AS SOON AS. IT'S A GOOD TIME FOR MARTIN DID APPRECIATE THOUGH THAT HE LOPED OUT AND THIS IS GREAT. BLESS YOU. THAT IS AN AID FOR YOU. NOW I'M NOT ABOUT THERE. GO FOR OUR MEMORY. CALVIN COULDN'T DO THAT. I COULDN'T . YOU HAD A BIKE, YOU COULD DO IT. IT IS EXACTLY FOUR O'CLOCK WE CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AND ASK, UH, LESLIE TO ROB MS. BECKY ROBBINS. HERE. MR. MIKE HERE. MR. HERE. MR. GILBERT SANTANA HERE. AND MS. BARBARA HERE. THANK YOU. HAVING HEARD THAT WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. AND LET'S GO WITH ITEM ONE A, UM, WITH CITIZENS' COMMENTS. Y'ALL CORRECT ME IF I OUT OF ORDER. UM, THE PURPOSE OF CITIZENS COMMENT IS TO GIVE CITIZENS A RIGHT TO EXPRESS THEIR VIEWS. ANYONE DESIRE TO SPEAK SHOULD HAVE ALREADY SIGNED UP. UH, THE LIST ON THE FOYER, I MEAN, I SEE THAT NOBODY HAS. UM, SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SKIP THE REST SINCE NOBODY'S HERE. OR DO I NEED TO SAY IT ON THE RECORD? OKAY. NO, I THINK YOU'RE FINE. VERY GOOD. UH, UH, AGAIN, SEE, SEEING THAT NOBODY HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, UH, WE WILL MOVE ON [a. Consider the election of a Chairperson and a Vice-Chairperson of the Board of Adjustment in accordance with Section 2-545 of the Code of Ordinances, Baytown, Texas.] TO ITEM TWO A. TWO A IS TO CONSIDER APPROVING THE NOPE, TO CONSIDER THE ELECTION OF THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION TWO DASH 5 4 5 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCE BAYTOWN, TEXAS. I WOULD LOOK FOR A NOMINATION FOR CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. I NOMINATE MIKE WILSON AS CHAIR AND BARB STER AS VICE CHAIR. I SECOND. ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? HEARING NONE FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. UNOP OPPOSED? ITEM THREE A. CONSIDER [a. Consider approving the meeting minutes of the January 14, 2025, Board of Adjustment regular meeting.] APPROVING THE MENACE OF THE JANUARY 14TH, 2025. ADJUST REGULAR MEETING. IT'S BEEN A YEAR. HOW? WOW. MR. CHAIR, I READ THE MINUTES AND, UH, DIDN'T SEE ANY CORRECTIONS OR QUESTIONS, SO I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE JANUARY, 2025 MEETING. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. I DO FOUR A IS TO, [a. Conduct a public hearing and consider a request for a zoning variance on 0.09 acres at 1604 Ash Street, to reduce the minimum required lot size from 5,000 to 4,012 square feet and the minimum street side setback from 15 to 11.8 feet in the Mixed Residential (MR) Zoning District to allow for the construction of a single-family home.] UH, WE'RE GONNA CON CONDUCT, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATE REQUEST FOR A ZONING VARIANCE ON 0.09 ACRES 1604 STREET TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. LOT SIZE FROM 5,000 TO 4,012 SQUARE FEET AND MINIMUM SIDE STREET SIDE SETBACK FROM 18 TO, UH, 15 TO 11.8 FEET IN THE MIXED MIXED RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. IF WE COULD HAVE STAFF TALK TO US ABOUT THE REQUEST. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. NAY MON TRAINER, ONE CITY OF BAYTOWN PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BEFORE IT'S TODAY, WE HAVE A ZONE VARIANCE REQUEST ON THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1604 ASH STREET. THE REQUEST IS TWOFOLD. THEY ARE ASKING FOR [00:05:01] A REDUCTION IN THE MINIMUM REQUIRED LOT SIZE OF 5,000 SQUARE FEET. THEY ARE ALSO ASKING FOR A REDUCTION IN THE MINIMUM STREET SIDE SETBACK. SO IF YOU, IF YOU'LL NOTICE FROM THE, THE MAP, THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY FRONTS ON LEE DRIVE. SO THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A 15 FOOT SETBACK WHEREVER THEY HAVE, UH, STREET FRONTAGE. SO IT'S CALLED A, A STREET SIDE SETBACK. IT'S IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. YOU DO THE MATH. OKAY. SO THE REDUCTION IN THE LOT SIZE, THEY'RE ASKING TO, UM, REDUCE IT BY 985 FEET, RESULTING IN A 4,012 FOOT SQUARE FOOT LOT. AND THE REDUCTION IN THE STREET SIDE REAR SETBACK, THEY'RE ASKING, UM, OF A, A REDUCTION OF 3.2 FEET, WHICH WOULD LEAVE US 11.8 FEET OR 11 FEET, 10 INCHES. THE PLAN IS TO BUILD ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND IT'S, UM, JUST UNDER 1500 SQUARE FEET. SO YOU'RE ALL PROBABLY VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA. IT IS NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF LEE DRIVE AND WEST MAIN ACROSS LEE DRIVE FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS A BAYTOWN AREA HOUSING AUTHORITY DEVELOPMENT INTO THE SOUTH OF THAT IS A DOLLAR STORE. AND THEN ACROSS WEST MAIN IS BAY SEAFOOD AND DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS A VACANT LOT. AND THEN ON THE, I HESITATE TO CALL IT TO CORNER BECAUSE IT'S MORE A POINT, UM, IS A ILLA EVERYTHING TO THE WEST AND TO THE NORTH IS RESIDENTIAL. AND UM, THIS PLOT, THIS LOT WAS PLOTTED IN 1929 AS A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT. AND, UM, HERE'S THE ZONING IF YOU'RE CURIOUS. IT IS IN MR. UM, ACROSS THE STREET IS, UM, URBAN RESIDENTIAL AND THAT PURPLE IS, UM, UM, MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD. OH, MR. IS MIXED RESIDENTIAL. IT USED TO BE SF TWO, KIND OF THE SAME. OKAY. SO THIS HORRIBLE MAP IS, UM, IN THE 1970S, ROBERT E. LEE DRIVE WAS RECONFIGURED AND RENAMED TO LEE DRIVE. SO THAT BLUE LINE ISH HIGHLIGHT, UM, THAT IS WHERE THE ROAD WAS INITIALLY, AND THEN IN THE SEVENTIES IT WAS MOVED TO ITS CURRENT CONFIGURATION. SO, UM, THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE, UM, TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SITE PLAN, THERE'S YOUR 11.8 FEET AND IF YOU'LL NOTICE, THE FRONT SETBACKS SETBACK AND THE SIDE SETBACKS ARE BEING MET. UM, SO, UM, IT IS NOT THE APPLICANT'S FAULT THAT THIS, UM, THAT THIS LOT IS THIS SIZE AND SHAPE. SO WHAT WE ARE, WHAT WE HAVE IS A SMALLER LOT WITH A PECULIAR SHAPE WITH DOUBLE FRONTAGE, WHICH MAKES IT A VERY CHALLENGING LOT TO DEVELOP. THUS, THE REQUEST FOR THE VARIANCE, IF THE CHAIR SO CHOOSES, UM, STAFF, FEELS THAT ALL THE CRITERIA ARE MET. IF, IF THE CHAIR DESIRES, I'LL BE GLAD TO GIVE A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE CRITERIA. SO I, I CAN TELL YOU FROM, FROM MY SIDE, I DROVE BY THERE. I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA. THAT LITTLE POINT USED TO CALL THE V DRIVE IN VERY POPULAR WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL. IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO FOR SOME REASON I WON'T DISCUSS. BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION, I KNEW I KNEW THE ANSWER. BUT YEAH, THE, THE ADDRESS IS ASH. SO THE REAR IS LEE DRIVE. UH, AND, AND IT IS A UNIQUE PIECE OF PROPERTY. UM, I, I READ THROUGH ALL THE CRITERIA. I MEAN, IF YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH 'EM, YOU CAN, BUT I, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD EACH ONE OF 'EM AND AGREED WITH EACH ONE AND ASKED, RECOMMENDED I KNOW WHAT, UNLESS, UNLESS YOU'D LIKE FOR ME TO. UM, SO BECAUSE ALL THE LOTS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ARE OF VARYING SIZES, THE FACT THAT IT'S A WEE BIT SMALLER IS NOT GONNA STICK OUT. THERE'S NOT A BACK NEIGHBOR TO BE OFFENDED THAT THEY'RE THREE FEET CLOSER TO THE FENCE BECAUSE IT BACKS UP TO THE DROP. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? NO, I WAS JUST GONNA POINT OUT, YOU KNOW, I [00:10:01] WENT, WENT THROUGH ALL THE, UH, EIGHT CRITERIA AND, UH, STAFF HAS PUT IN ALL THE KEY WORDS OF CONSISTENT PROMOTES, UH, NO ADVERSE, ET CETERA. UH, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, UH, ALL, ALL EIGHT ARE, UM, UH, MET. AND OF COURSE, AS WE ALL KNOW, ALL EIGHT HAVE TO BE MET FOR US TO ALLOWED TO GRANT VARIANCE. YES, SIR. SO THAT'S CORRECT. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO THROUGH ALL OF 'EM UNLESS ANYBODY SAYS YES. AND AS BARB SAID A WHILE AGO, UH, STAFF ALSO, UH, SAYS, UH, AGREES TO, TO APPROVE. SO WE DO HAVE SOME SUGGESTED CONDITIONS. WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ME TO RATTLE THOSE OFF? YES, THERE'S A, UM, SO IF THE DOA APPROVES THE REQUEST STAFF RECORDS AGAINST THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER MAY CONSTRUCT ONE SINGLE FAMILY GROWING AT 1604 ASH STREET, THE LOT MAY VARY FROM THE 500, THE MINIMUM 500 SQUARE FOOT LOT TO THE APPROVED 4,012 SQUARE FOOT LOT. THE STREET SIDE REAR SETBACK SHALL NOT BE LESS THAN 11.8 FEET, WHICH IS 10 INCHES FOR CALLED MATH CHALLENGE. NUMBER FOUR, THE PROPERTY OWNER SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL OTHER SEAT OF BAYTOWN CODES AND THE REQUIRED PERMIT SHALL BE OBTAINED. PRIOR TO DEVELOPING THE L HAVING HEARD ALL THAT, I WOULD, I WOULD FORWARD, YEAH, I WOULD, UH, SEEK A MOTION TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE WITH THE FOUR CONDITIONS THAT NA JUST WENT OVER. SO MOVED A SECOND, SECOND MOVE TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITIONS. AND SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION. I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT HOW, HOW REFRESHING IT IS TO SEE THE POTENTIAL OF NEW CONSTRUCTION IN AN AREA OF TOWN THAT HADN'T SEEN NEW CONSTRUCTION IN A GOOD WHILE AND WILL OBVIOUSLY BENEFIT FROM THE INVESTMENT. UM, THE FARTHEST BACK I COULD GO WAS THE 1970S AND IN 1970 IT'S BEEN VACANT SINCE 1970. I COULDN'T GO BACK FARTHER THAN THAT, BUT YES, IT'S BEEN VACANT SINCE. AND, AND IT IS, THEY ARE PROPOSING A, A SITE BUILT HOUSE. YES. SO IF I COULD, YOU KNOW, I'M KNOWING PLANNING DEPARTMENT, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT OF TIMES IN OUR CITY PEOPLE ARE OVERLY CRITICAL CITY STAFF AND BUREAUCRACY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND TO TRY AND FIND CONDITIONS THAT WORK TO HELP PEOPLE DO THAT. THIS IS GOOD FOR THE CITY, IT'S GOOD FOR Y'ALL. JUST SIMPLE THINGS. A THANKS TO THE STAFF FOR THE WORK THAT Y'ALL DONE TO MAKE THIS A POSSIBILITY. NO DISCUSSIONS. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A AYE. AND OPPOSED THE VARIANCES. OKAY, THANK YOU. YOU'RE YOU'RE VERY WELCOME. VERY, VERY WELCOME. UM, ITEM FIVE, [a. Receive a report from the Director of Planning and Development Services.] FIVE A. PARDON? UM, WELL WELCOME BACK. I FEEL LIKE I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU GUYS IN A YEAR. HAS MA'AM. UM, SO SINCE IT HAS BEEN 15 MONTHS SINCE OUR LAST, UM, SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A REPORT PER SE. UM, OTHER THAN IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL TAKE SOME QUESTIONS. IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING OVER THE LAST YEAR THAT I CAN HELP ANSWER RELATED TO THIS BOARD QUESTION. UH, BACON THAT WE WERE TALKING ON THE WAY IN. SO WE HAVEN'T MET IN QUITE A WHILE. WE KNOW WE MEET WHEN WE ARE REQUIRED TO MEET. DID WE MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS IN THE ABILITY OF, OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO HANDLE SOME OF SOME OF THE REQUESTS? UH, AND THAT CUT DOWN ON US MEETING OR HAVE THERE JUST NOT BEEN ANY REQUESTS FOR VARIANCES? UM, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THE, THE NEW CODE CAME INTO PLAY JANUARY 1ST OF LAST YEAR. SO WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH IT FOR ABOUT 15, 16 MONTHS NOW. AND THERE WERE SOME CHANGES I THINK IN THAT CODE THAT WERE DESIGNED TO BE, ALLOW US TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE. THERE ARE STILL GONNA BE SOME THINGS THAT OBVIOUSLY COME BEFORE YOU GUYS. IN FACT, WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING SCHEDULED FOR NEXT MONTH ALREADY. UM, WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON, ON THAT AGENDA. SO, UM, I I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S ALL OF IT. I MEAN, OUR ORDINARY SCHEDULE WOULD BE WHAT, FOUR, MAYBE FIVE MEETINGS A YEAR. SO IT DEFINITELY CUT DOWN ON THAT. BUT SOME OF IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, TIMING AND, AND HOW THINGS GO IN THE REAL WORLD. SO, UM, BUT, BUT I, I THINK THE CODE MIGHT HAVE HELPED. AND TO BE HONEST, WE WANT THE CODE TO DO THAT. WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A BOARD THAT HAS TO MEET AND, AND DO FIVE APPROVALS EVERY MONTH. [00:15:01] 'CAUSE THAT MEANS THAT OUR CODE IS BROKEN. SO WHEN WE HAVE, WHEN WE DID THE NEW CODE, WE DID IN FACT GO DOWN THROUGH AND SEE, OKAY, WHAT KIND OF VARIANCES HAS HAVE WE SEEN OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS? AND WE TRIED TO ADDRESS THOSE IN A WAY THAT MADE SENSE FOR THE CITY AND FOR THE CODE. AND SO I, I THINK WE PROBABLY DID DO SOME OF THAT. UM, BUT WE ALSO, WE ALSO TRY TO GIVE PEOPLE A REALISTIC VIEW OF WHAT THEIR OUTCOME LIKELIHOOD IS. AND SO THAT THERE ARE TIMES WHERE LIKE, LOOK, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT WITH THIS, BUT WE'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, IF STAFF DOESN'T SUPPORT IT THEN IT DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T GET APPROVED. BUT, AND THEN WE TRY TO BE UPFRONT AND SAY EITHER GONNA SUPPORT IT RULE. SO, UM, SO WE, WE ACTIVELY TRIED TO TO KEEP THINGS OUT OF BOA, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT BOA IS THE, THE, I LIKE TO CALL IT THE RELEASE VALVE BECAUSE IF THERE'S ANY EVER A TIME THAT THEY DON'T LIKE WHAT I HAVE TO SAY OR WHAT MY STAFF HAS TO SAY AND I'VE PROVED OF, THEN THAT OBVIOUSLY HAS A PLACE TO COME TO YOU GUYS. OKAY. AND I APPRECIATE THAT 'CAUSE UM, KNOWING A LOT OF PEOPLE THE WAY I DO AFTER 50 YEARS HERE, UM, THERE ARE NOT ALL OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE LOVED LIKE , LIKE YOU GUYS OBVIOUSLY ARE IS THAT LOVE IN AIR QUOTES? SARCASM FOR THE RECORD. YES. . SO MAYBE THEY CAN, UH, TAKE A CUE FROM YOU GUYS AND, UH, AND DO BETTER. NOT THAT THEY'RE BAD DEPARTMENTS, SOME IMPROVEMENTS. WE DO WHAT WE CAN. SIR, YOUR HONOR, JUST TWO IF I COULD, UM, SINCE I'VE BEEN GONE THREE YEARS, I'M JUST CURIOUS. ULDC IS A LIVING DOCUMENT AND THE WORK THAT YOU AND YOUR STAFF HAVE PUT INTO THE UL THESE'S BEEN HERCULEAN. ARE THERE ANY MAJOR AREAS THAT YOU STILL SEE NEED TO BE ADDRESSED FOR THE LAST UPDATE? WELL, WE HAVE MADE FIVE UPDATES NOW AND UM, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE ONE THAT THAT APPROVED LAST WEEK? YES. SO FIVE UPDATES INCLUDING THE ONE THAT WAS APPROVED LAST WEEK IS USING SHIPPING CONTAINERS, UM, AROUND THE CITY FOR EITHER BUILDING MATERIALS OR EVEN TO USE 'EM AS STORAGE AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS WITH, WITH UM, UH, CONDITIONS. OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS, UM, REQUESTED BY CITY COUNCIL. SO THAT WAS AN AREA WHERE WE, WE KNEW THAT IT NEEDED TO BE UPDATED BECAUSE IN THE PAST THEY JUST WEREN'T ALLOWED ANYWHERE. EVENTUALLY, IF I, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IN THE LAST 18 TO 24 MONTHS, THIS, THIS GROUP CONSIDERED A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE AROUND SHIPPING CONTAINERS. I DON'T KNOW, IT WAS ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO. WELL, TOP PLUS , I DO REMEMBER, I DO REMEMBER THAT ONE. AND IT WAS AN APPEAL OF MY DECISION TO SAY THAT THERE BECAUSE THE CODE SAYS PRETTY CLEARLY THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED. SO WE HAVE NOW CHANGED THAT CODE. SO IF THAT GUY WANTED TO COME BACK AND TRY IT AGAIN, HE COULD. UM, THE OTHER ONE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW, AND YOU MAY HAVE HEARD SOME STUFF ABOUT IT, IS, UH, REGARDING SHORT TERM RENTALS STUFF, AIRBNB'S, BBOS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. YES, I , I HEARD BARB TAKING A DEEP BREATH. UM, WE, UM, AND FOR THE RECORD STAFF HAS NO DOG IN THIS FIGHT. WE JUST, WE HAVE A PROCESS NOW. THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED BY THE OLD CODE. THE NEW CODE CAME IN, IT REQUIRED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. YOU DON'T KNOW, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIRES YOU TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE STEPS THAT WOULD, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO FOR, UH, FOR A REASON. IT IS YOU GO TO STAFF HAS TO OKAY IT, IT HAS TO GO TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THEN IT HAS TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL, FOR FINAL, UH, APPROVAL. AND THAT SAID, WE HAVE DONE ONE AS YOU P AND THERE'S PROBABLY 90 OF THESE IN TOWN AND WE JUST, WE DON'T HAVE STAFF TO GO AFTER 'EM ALL. AND UM, WHEN THAT CAME FORWARD, CITY COUNCIL SAID, YEAH, UM, WE DON'T THINK WE LIKE THIS PROCESS AND SO STAFF GO FIND A BETTER. SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THAT THAT WENT TO P AND Z LAST MONTH. OUR P AND Z DIDN'T LIKE OUR PROPOSAL, SO IT IS NOW GOING TO CITY COUNCIL NEXT WEEK. SO WE'LL KIND OF SEE WHERE THAT GOES. IN TERMS OF OTHER AREAS, LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE'VE MADE SO MANY CHANGES TO IT SINCE IT WAS ADOPTED. IN FACT, WE MADE A BIG ROUND OF CHANGES BEFORE IT EVEN WENT INTO EFFECT BECAUSE WE GAVE IT ABOUT ALMOST A FOUR MONTH LEAD TIME TO GO INTO EFFECT. AND IN THAT TIME WE MADE ANOTHER ROUND OF CHANGES TO IT. WE'VE DONE I THINK TWO OTHER ROUNDS OF CHANGES THAT WERE PRETTY BROAD AND KIND OF ALL OVER THE PLACE. JUST LITTLE STUFF, THINGS THAT WE SAW IN THE CODE THAT EITHER DIDN'T WORK OR DIDN'T [00:20:01] CARRY OVER FROM THE OLD CODE THAT WE WANTED TO, OR WE TRIED IT AND IT JUST WASN'T WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE. UM, THE SUVS FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS IS ONE OF THEM WHERE WE KIND OF WENT, YEAH, THIS WOULD MAKE SENSE AND THEN WE WENT, UH, THAT WAY WE HOPED IT WOULD. SO, UM, AND THEN WE'RE, I WE'RE, WE'RE ALWAYS WORKING ON MORE, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S MEANT TO BE A LIVING DOCUMENT. IT'S OPPOSED TO WE'RE SUPPOSED, I THINK WE'RE PAYING MORE ATTENTION TO THAT NOW THAN WE EVER, EVER HAS. UM, I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU ONE REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE. UM, IN THE FALL SOMETIME WE HAD SOME LOCAL BUILDERS COME TO US AND SAY THERE'S THIS NEW, AND I WON'T GO INTO THE, THE, THE DETAILS OF IT, BUT THERE'S A NEW REGULATION IN THE CODE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR GARAGE IN A CERTAIN SPOT ON THE LOT IN RELATION TO THE FRONT OF THE ROOF. AND THEY SAID, THIS REALLY DOESN'T WORK FOR US. AND WE HAD A GROUP OF, I THINK IT WAS EIGHT OR 10 BUILDERS COME IN, THEY'RE ALL LOCAL GUYS THAT DO ONE OR TWO PLANS AND THEY DO INFILL DEVELOPMENT. IT'S NOT A KB HOME DOING, YOU KNOW, THREE DIFFERENT LOTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND UM, AND SO WE LISTENED TO THEM AND WE MADE SOME CHANGES AND BROUGHT IT BACK TO THEM AND SAID, THIS IS A COMPROMISE. IT MAY NOT BE EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANTED, BUT IT SHOULD GET YOU CLOSER. AND THEY ALL WENT, THIS SOLVES 90% OF THE PROBLEMS. THANK YOU. THIS WILL WORK. AND SO WE GOT THAT APPROVED. RIGHT, EXACTLY. SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE EVEN IF WE LOOK AT IT. 'CAUSE OUR FIRST, OUR GUT REACTION TO THAT ONE WAS, THIS IS A DESIGN THING AND WE AS PLANNERS KNOW, DESIGN. SO YES, THIS IS WHAT YOU AS A COMMUNITY WANT. WHICH OF COURSE WE DON'T, THAT'S NOT OUR, THAT'S NOT OUR PLACE. SO WE HAD TO STEP BACK FROM IT FOR A SECOND AND GO, OKAY, IF WHAT WE NEED IS THIS, THEN LET'S TAKE IT TO P AND Z. LET'S TAKE IT TO CITY COUNCIL AND SEE IT WHAT THE IS. AND IT FLEW RIGHT THROUGH. NOBODY REALLY HAD A PROBLEM. SO, SO WE ARE TRYING TO USE THAT AS A, AS A STANDARD FOR OPERATING PROCEDURE. AND YOU ANSWERED THE SECOND ONE. SO THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. ALRIGHT. UH, I APPRECIATE IT MARTIN. AND UH, I THINK WE'RE AT THE POINT OF WHO WANTS TO GO HOME AND IF YOU WANT TO GO HOME, MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I DO. WE ADJOURN. SECOND FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. RETURNED. THANKS FOLKS. GOOD LUCK. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.