Feb 17, 2026 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION

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GOOD AFTERNOON.

I CALLED THE FEBRUARY 17TH, 2026, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

REGULAR MEETING TO ORDER AND ASK LESLIE TO CALL ROE.

EXCUSE ME.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER BEARD HERE.

COMMISSIONER CAUSTIC, PRESENT.

UH, COMMISSIONER RICK.

I'M SORRY, HARLOW.

HERE.

HARLOW.

SORRY.

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UH, VICE CHAIR SCOTT.

PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER CAROL? HERE.

COMMISSIONER SINGH HERE.

AND VICE, UH, AND CHAIR WINFREY HERE.

THANK YOU.

WE HAVE A QUORUM.

ITEM ONE A IS CITIZEN COMMENTS.

PURPOSE OF CITIZENS COMMENT IS TO GIVE ALL INTERESTED CITIZENS THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS THEIR VIEWS.

EVERYONE'S DESIRING TO SPEAK SHOULD HAVE EITHER SIGNED THE APPROPRIATE LIST IN THE FOYER OR EMAILED THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO THE POSTED TIME OF THIS MEETING.

EACH CITIZEN SHALL GIVE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS.

THANK YOU.

IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A PROPER RECORD OF THESE COMMENTS, THE RULES ALLOW EACH PERSON ONE MINUTE TO SPEAK.

A CITIZEN MAY PASS HIS OR HER TIME TO ANOTHER PERSON WHO HAS REQUESTED TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

HOWEVER, NO CITIZEN'S REMARKS SHALL AC EXCEED THREE MINUTES IN TOTAL.

EITHER THE ONE MINUTE OR THE THREE MINUTE LIMIT MAY EXTEND BY MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION.

I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO BE AS BRIEF AND TO THE POINT AS POSSIBLE.

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THE COMMISSION CANNOT DISCUSS OR DELIBERATE ON ITEMS FOR WHICH PUBLIC NOTICE HAS NOT BEEN GIVEN ON THE AGENDA.

ISSUES THAT CANNOT BE REFERRED TO ADMINISTRATION FOR ACTION MAY BE CONSIDERED FOR PLACEMENT ON THE AGENDA OF A FUTURE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENDA.

THERE'S NO ONE DESIRING TO SPEAK.

THIS CONCLUDES THE CITIZEN'S COMMENTS PORTION OF THE AGENDA.

[a. Consider approving the meeting minutes of the January 20, 2026, Planning and Zoning Commission Regular Meeting.]

CONSIDER APPROVING THE MEN MEETING MINUTES OF THE JANUARY 20TH, 2026 PLANNING AND ZONING.

REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING.

ANY DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONERS MOVE TO APPROVE TWO A AS NOTED.

SECOND.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR? A.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED, ANY ABSTENTIONS TO MOTION MA'AM? ONE.

ONE.

ABSTENTION.

THANK YOU.

TWO A IS APPROVED.

I WILL READ THE FOLLOWING ONE TIME AND IT APPLIES TO ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS.

THE PUBLIC HEARINGS TODAY ARE BEING HELD FOR THE PURPOSE OF GIVING ALL INTERESTED PERSONS THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS THEIR VIEWS REGARDING THE SUBJECT OF PUBLIC HEARINGS.

EVERYONE DESIRING TO BE A PART OF TODAY'S HEARING SHOULD HAVE EITHER SIGNED THE APPROPRIATE LIST IN THE FOYER OR EMAILED THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO THE POSTED TIME OF THIS MEETING.

EACH PARTICIPANT SHALL GIVE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A PROPER RECORD OF THIS HEARING.

THE RULES ALLOW EACH PERSON THREE MINUTES TO PRESENT INFORMATION.

HOWEVER, I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO BE AS BRIEF AND TO THE POINT AS POSSIBLE.

IF YOU ARE A GROUP OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON THE SAME SUBJECT, PLEASE SELECT THE SPOKESPERSON TO PRESENT THE INFORMATION.

IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE DIRECT THEM TO ME.

WE'LL

[a. Conduct a public hearing and consider a request for a proposed text amendment to Chapter 111, Unified Land Development Code (ULDC), of the Baytown Code of Ordinances to revise Division 2.3, Sections 2.35, 2.36. 2.33 and Article 10 of the ULDC, regarding shipping containers, and the definition of container or shipping container as it applies to the 2025 code.]

CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR THE PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER ONE 11 UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ULDC OF THE BAYTOWN CODE OF ORDINANCES.

THANK YOU TO REVISE DIVISION 2.3, SECTIONS 2.35, 2.36, 2.33 IN ARTICLE 10 OF THE ULDC REGARDING SHIPPING CONTAINERS AND THE DEFINITION OF CONTAINER OR SHIPPING CONTAINER AS IT APPLIES TO THE 2025 CODE.

IT IS NOW 5:04 PM AND I CALL TO ORDER THIS PUBLIC HEARING AS JUST READ.

AND WE THANK YOU FOR SUMMARIZING, CALVIN FOR SUMMARIZING THE ITEM.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

UM, MADAM CHAIR, UH, I AM CALVIN ABRAM WITH THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.

UH, I'M BRINGING FORWARD TO YOU A SERIES OF AMENDMENTS TO THE 2025 UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

BUT I'LL GIVE A QUICK BACKGROUND.

IN NOVEMBER OF 2025, UH, UH, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT BROUGHT BEFORE THIS BOARD A SERIES OF AMENDMENTS.

IT WAS THE THIRD, UM, SERIES OF AMENDMENTS TO THE UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AND THROUGH THOSE, ONE PORTION IN PARTICULAR WAS, UH, SHIPPING CONTAINERS.

UM, IN DECEMBER OF 2025, THE SAME INFORMATION WAS SHARED WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.

THE CITY COUNCIL HEARD PART OF THE INFORMATION AND DECIDED THAT THEY WANT US TO PROVIDE BACK TO THEM A MORE ROBUST PROPOSAL, IDENTIFYING SHIPPING CONTAINERS AND HOW THEY COULD BE UTILIZED THROUGHOUT,

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FROM THAT, UM, STAFF WORKED WITH OTHER DIVISIONS.

UH, WE HAD CONVERSATIONS, UH, WE'VE DONE RESEARCH.

AND IN JANUARY OF 2026, WE PROVIDED PART OF THAT RESEARCH TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS PART OF A WORK SESSION.

UH, WITH THAT WORK SESSION THE CITY COUNCIL SHARED WITH US, YOU KNOW, WHAT DID THEY LIKE, WHAT COULD WE IMPROVE ON, WHAT DIRECTION THEY WOULD LIKE FOR THIS RESEARCH TO, UH, GO IN.

AND FROM THAT, WHAT WE'RE BRINGING, WHAT I'M BRINGING FOR YOU TODAY IS THE CULMINATION OF THAT RESEARCH, UH, WITH THE, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENT.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, INITIALLY WHAT YOU SEE IS I'M GONNA SHARE WITH YOU A SERIES OF SLIDES AND, UM, POTENTIAL PROPOSED, UM, AMENDMENTS THROUGH UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AND IT'S GOING TO RANGE BETWEEN HAVING, UH, ALLOWING SHIPPING CONTAINERS THROUGH MULTIPLE ZONING DISTRICTS, UM, AS EITHER A PRIMARY STRUCTURE OR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

UH, IN ADDITION, IT'LL ALLOW THE CITY OF BAYTOWN TO BE MORE, UM, INNOVATIVE MEETING THE TREND OF DEVELOPMENT AS THEY, UM, COMPLY OR CONSIDER SHIPPING CONTAINERS THROUGH MULTIPLE, UH, ZONING DISTRICTS.

AND IN ADDITION, IT ALLOWS US TO BE, UH, TO ALLOW MORE OF A CLARIFICATION TO THE DEFINITION OF SHIPPING CONTAINERS AND CERTAIN USES THAT WE'RE ALREADY ALLOWING WITHIN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENTS IN TEMPORARY, UM, CONSTRUCTION AND THINGS AS OF THAT.

SO THE AMENDMENTS THAT'S BEING BOUGHT, BEING PROPOSED BEFORE YOU TODAY ADDRESSES THOSE ITEMS. ALL RIGHT.

SO INITIALLY, UM, THE RE THE REFINING OF THE DEFINITION OF CONTAINERS.

PREVIOUSLY THE OLD, THE ORIGINAL DEFINITION WHEN IT MENTIONED SHIPPING CONTAINERS, IT ADDRESSED MORE OF THE MOVEMENT OF THOSE CONTAINERS FROM ONE CITY TO ANOTHER CITY, UH, FROM ONE COUNTRY TO ANOTHER COUNTRY.

BLESS YOU.

THE AMENDMENT NOW IDENTIFIES THAT THE SHIPPING CONTAINER COMPOSED OF A CORRUGATED MATERIAL AND THAT IT CAN BE USED IN A RESIDENTIAL, UH, AND COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS AS A PRIMARY AND OR ACCESSORY USE.

UM, HOWEVER, WITH THOSE USES, WE'VE ALSO IDENTIFIED REGULATIONS.

UM, FOR INSTANCE, IN A RESIDENTIAL, THEY CANNOT, THEY CANNOT BE STACKED IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA IF THEY'RE BEING USED AS STORAGE OR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.

HOWEVER, IF THEY'RE USED AS THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, THEY CAN BE STACKED UP TO, YOU KNOW, 30 FEET.

BUT YOU CAN HAVE A PRIMARY STRUCTURE AT ABOUT 35 FEET.

BUT WITH THE STACKING, THEY WOULD PROBABLY STOP AT ABOUT 30 FEET.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY'LL ALSO HAVE TO MEET SEVERAL PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS.

OUR BUILDING CODE, FEMA CODE, UH, STORM WATER AND MANAGEMENT, ET CETERA, AND THINGS OF THAT.

SO THEY HAVE TO MEET THOSE CODES AS WELL.

AND LASTLY, AS WE LOOK AT THESE IN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING AREA, THEY WILL HAVE TO, UM, WE WOULD LOOK AT THEM AS WE WOULD LOOK AT OTHER TYPE OF METAL SHELTERS AS OF THAT.

UM, SO YOU COULD JUST, IF YOU COULD VISUALIZE SOMEONE GOING TO A HOME DEPOT OR LOWE'S OR WHATEVER AND BUYING ONE OF THOSE METAL SHEDS, THIS WOULD MEET THE SAME TYPE OF, UH, CONSIDERATION AS THOSE UNTIL THEY GET TO A, A, A LARGER SIZE.

AND THAT'S WHEN THEY HAVE TO BE PERMITTED.

AND THINGS AS OF THAT, UH, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING BEFORE YOU HEAR IS A SEVERAL PICTURES OF SHIPPING CONTAINERS BEING INTEGRATED AS PART OF A PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

AND THESE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WOULD BE LOOKED AT.

UM, ONE THING IS WE CALL OUT AS PART OF SHIPPING CONTAINERS.

I'M SORRY, UH, YES, SHIPPING CONTAINERS AS A PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT EXISTS ALONG THAT BLOCK AND THE ADJACENT BLOCK OR ACROSS THE STREET.

SO THAT WOULD GUIDE THE PROPERTY OWNERS, THE ENGINEERS, ARCHITECTS, INTO WHAT THEY WOULD LOOK FOR AS THEY'RE TRYING TO DESIGN THAT PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE CODE ALREADY CALLS OUT CRITERIA WHEN WE'RE LOOKING, OR A PERSON IS LOOKING TO DEVELOP A PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND CALLS OUT PITCH, UM, PARTICULAR PITCHES OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.

I THINK IT'S ABOUT 10 OPTIONS OR 10 CRITERIA THAT THEY HAVE.

HOWEVER, OUT THAT 10, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CHOOSE THREE.

IT COULD BE THE PITCH TO ROOF A PORCH AND THINGS AS OF THAT.

UM, NOW

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COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS WOULD BE SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO THE RESIDENTIAL.

HOWEVER, IN A COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO MEET THE BLOCK FRONTS AND ET CETERA.

UH, THEY CANNOT BE STACKED UNLESS THEY'RE PART OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

UH, SAME DIFFERENCE.

THEY'LL HAVE TO FOLLOW THE CITY CODE.

UH, THEY WILL BE LOOKED AND ADDRESSED JUST LIKE ANY OTHER STRUCTURE, UH, STICK BUILT, UH, CONCRETE BUILT THAT WOULD BE USED, UH, LOOKED AT THE EXACT SAME WAY.

IN ADDITION, THE, UH, ONE OF THE LARGER DIFFERENCES BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, UH, AS WE TRANSITION BETWEEN ZONING DISTRICTS, IF YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL THAT'S A BUDDING OR ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL, THEN YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER SCREENING THAT WOULD BE USED AS WELL AS THEY'RE TRANSITIONING BETWEEN THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS AND OR USES.

AND THE SAME AS ANY AND ALL OF OTHER USES FOR CONTAINERS THAT MEET THE APPLICABLE SIZE, THEY WOULD NEED THE NECESSARY PERMITS.

AND THIS IS THE PICTURE THAT WE SEE.

UH, THIS WAS A PICTURE IN DALLAS FORT WORTH.

UM, IT'S ONE OF THE STRUCTURES THAT'S WITHIN A, UM, SHIPPING CONTAINER, UM, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE WITH THIS STRUCTURE HERE, YOU CAN SEE, UH, TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOW, UH, THE APPLICANT IS USING THE SHIPPING CONTAINERS.

ONE BEING THE HORIZONTAL WITH THE CLEAN LINES VERTICAL.

YOU SEE THE SYMMETRY AND THINGS AS OF THAT.

AND THIS WOULD BE SOME OF THE TYPE OF IDEAS THAT CAN BE USED AS NEW DEVELOPMENT, INFIELD DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN.

WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS A TEMPORARY USE.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, THIS AMENDMENT WILL HELP US CLEAN UP WITHIN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN SHIPPING.

I MEAN, SHIPPING CONTAINERS ARE ALREADY BEING USED IN INDUSTRIAL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

THEY'RE BEING USED AS STAGING.

UM, YEAH, YEAH.

THEY'RE BEING USED AS STAGING.

I WAS ABOUT TO SAY, YES, I DID GET IT.

I'M SORRY.

BUT, UH, .

BUT THEY'RE BEING USED AS STAGING, UH, AS TERMS OF TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION.

WHAT THIS AMENDMENT WILL ALLOW IS FOR THAT TO BE CODIFIED.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT ALSO CALLS OUT FENCING REQUIREMENTS, SCREENING REQUIREMENTS WHERE THEY CAN BE PLACED.

AND WHEN THEY'RE PLACED THERE, THERE'S PERMITTING REQUIRED.

AND, UH, THAT A ALLOWS THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION TO BE MORE PREPARED TO WHAT THE CITY WOULD EXPECT THEM, ALLOWING THESE TO MOVE FORWARD.

IN ADDITION, WE KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, YOU HAVE LOWE'S, YOU MAY HAVE WALMART, AND THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, TEMPORARY USES THAT OCCUR.

UM, THEY MAY SELL THINGS FROM A, A SHIPPING CONTAINER, ET CETERA.

AND THIS IS, ALLOWS US TO CODIFY THAT AND AS WELL AS, UH, ALLOWING THEM TO GET THE PERMIT SO THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD.

SORRY, WRONG WAY.

UM, AS I IDENTIFIED, IN ADDITION TO CLEANING UP, THIS IS WITHIN THE HIGH INDUSTRIAL, UM, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.

CURRENTLY IT'S A GIVEN HEAVY INDUSTRIAL WILL USE SHIPPING CONTAINERS, BUT OUR CODE IS SILENT ON THAT AS OF THIS MOMENT.

UH, AND THEN THIS IS, AGAIN, IT'S A CLEANUP.

IT'S ALLOWING HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TO USE SHIPPING CONTAINERS.

SO THEY, THEY, THE WAY THAT THEY NORMALLY WILL USE THEM ALLOWS US TO CODIFY 'EM.

AND THIS IS LANGUAGE THAT WAS PULLED OUT OF THE 2014 UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

UH, IT GIVES THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT AND HEAVY INDUSTRIAL THAT THEY CAN'T STACK SHIPPING CONTAINERS HIGHER THAN 50 FEET TALL.

AND IT ALSO IMPOSES THE SCREENING REQUIREMENT AS WELL ON THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, UH, FOR THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

THE SAME THING WITH THE EXCEPTION.

LIGHT INDUSTRIAL CAN ONLY STACK SHIPPING CONTAINERS UP TO 30 FEET TALL AND THEY WILL STILL BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE THE, UH, THE FENCING OR, UH, THE BARRIER AROUND THOSE CONTAINERS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TRANSITIONING BETWEEN LESS INTENSE LAND USES.

AND THAT'S WHEN THOSE FENCING AND THOSE BURIALS WILL COME INTO PLAY.

UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WE'RE BRINGING THIS BEFORE, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, AND WE RECOMMEND A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.

AND, UH, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU.

IS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK OR IS THERE NOT A SHEET? BECAUSE NO ONE SIGNED UP.

NO ONE SIGNED UP.

VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU THERE BEING NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

I CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING AT 5:15 PM

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ANY DISCUSSION FROM MISSIONERS? YEAH, I, COMMISSIONER BEARD, THANK, I HAD A MEETING YESTERDAY WITH CALVIN AND MARTIN ABOUT THESE, 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THESE FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF FOR A COUPLE USES THAT MY FAMILY'S PLANNING ON.

UH, IN FACT, I VISITED ONE OF THESE IN SAN ANTONIO.

THERE'S A MAJOR MANUFACTURER IN SAN ANTONIO THAT THEY'RE TAKING THESE NEWS AND THEY ACTUALLY CALLED THE PROPERTY GUY UP.

AND I WENT AND LOOKED AT IT.

IT'S BASICALLY A 4,000 SQUARE FOOT RESIDENCE AND IT RAISED THE PROPERTY VALUE UP TO A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS.

AND THE GUY ON THE PROPERTY TOLD ME THEY ACTUALLY PUT THAT IN THERE FOR LESS THAN $30,000.

SO THERE'S AN APPLICATION HERE AND, AND IT'S NOT GONNA FLOAT AWAY.

IT AIN'T GONNA BLOW AWAY AND IT'S GONNA BE THERE A LONG TIME.

SO THERE'S DEFINITELY AN, AN, AN APPLICATION FOR THESE IN TOWN.

UH, AND, AND, AND I'M NOT DISCUSSING DEED RESTRICTIONS OR HOAS AND ALL THAT.

THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF RULES FOR THESE.

BUT THERE ARE SOME APPLICATIONS FOR SMALL BUSINESSES IN THIS TOWN THAT THEY COULD MOVE SOME OF THESE THERE.

AND INSTEAD OF HAVING TO BUILD A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS BUILDING, YOU COULD PUT ONE OF THESE IN HERE FOR PROBABLY LESS THAN $10,000.

THESE CONTAINERS COME OUTTA SAN ANTONIO RIGHT NOW FOR $1,900, READY TO GO, READY TO GO.

AND THEY GO IN.

THE PROBLEM WITH THESE, AND I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THESE SHOWING UP IN RESIDENTIAL AREA LIFE.

'CAUSE ONE OF THE PRIMARY CONCERNS THAT THE GUY WAS TELLING ME ABOUT IS, YOU BETTER FIGURE OUT HOW YOU'RE GONNA GET IT IN THERE BEFORE YOU BUY IT.

'CAUSE IN MANY CASES, THESE THINGS HAVE TO BE LIFTED IN.

SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HIRING, UH, A COMMERCIAL CRANE TO COME IN TO PICK 'EM UP AND, AND LIFT THEM IN THE PROBLEM.

SO, BUT THIS COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A LOT OF BUSINESSES TO MAYBE COME INTO TOWN BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA BUILD A BUILDING AND GIVE 'EM A FUNCTION THAT WAS IN HERE.

SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY.

AND IF YOU REMEMBER, GOD, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, WE HAD A A, A SYSTEM HERE GETTING A VARIANCE ON SOME PROPERTY BACKED BY THE VALUE.

THEY HAD A MOBILE HOME, THEY WERE MAKING A MOVE IT THIS, AND HE WAS WEIGHING THE BILL BECAUSE OF PRICING AND INTEREST RATES.

THIS WOULD'VE BEEN AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY ON THAT LAND.

I THINK IT WAS SIX ACRES TO COME IN THERE AND BUILD THAT PROPERTY AND, AND SET THAT IN THERE.

ONE OF MY CONCERNS THAT I DISCUSSED WITH HIM YESTERDAY WAS, THERE'S A CLAUSE IN HERE ABOUT NOT HAVING A BERM OR A PAD OVER ONE FOOT IN THESE PROCESSES.

IF, AND THERE, THERE CERTAINLY ARE GONNA BE PROBLEM AREAS IN TOWN THAT YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO HAVE.

AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT YOU RAISE ONE, HE IS UP FOUR FOOT, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS IN TOWN THAT YOU, YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE A HIGHER ELEVATION FOR THESE RATHER THAN A ONE FOOT THING.

AND IN FACT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT THESE ON A PAD.

MOST OF THESE ARE PUT ON A 12 FOOT SQUARE PIER IN THE GROUND, FIVE OR SIX OF 'EM.

THEY GOT BOATS ON IT, THEY SET IT ON, IT BOLTED DOWN AND THEY GO AWAY.

SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AND NOT MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT MAKING A RESTRICTION THAT THAT CAN'T BE HAD.

THE FENCING IN THE OPEC FENCING BOTHERED ME A LOT AND, AND WE DISCUSSED IT.

I SAID, IF I HAVE ONE OF THESE AS A WORKSHOP IN MY BACKYARD, I GOT A FENCE.

DO I NEED TO PUT MORE FENCING? AND THE ANSWER I THINK I GOT WAS NO.

BUT THERE MAY BE APPLICATIONS WITH PEOPLE ON ENOUGH LAND THAT THEY WANNA MOVE ONE OF THESE IN AND NOT WANT TO PUT UP A FENCE.

I MEAN, IF THEY GOT FIVE, 10 ACRES AND THEY'RE PUTTING IT IN THERE FOR, YOU KNOW, UH, BARN DOMINIUMS, THESE THINGS ARE BIG IN THE BARNDOMINIUM MARKET RIGHT NOW, UH, TO, TO GO IN THERE PARK, IT'S, THERE'RE REALLY A NEED FOR THEM TO GO IN THERE AND FENCE THAT UP ON, ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT PROBABLY IS GONNA BE BARBED WIRE FENCED ANYWAY, IF THEY'RE GONNA PUT IT IN THERE FOR STORAGE AND AND FARM THING.

AND SO THAT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE RESTRICTED TO ME IN THE PROCESS.

AND, AND I'M SURE THEY COULD, THAT COULD BE HANDLED BY A VARIANCE, YOU KNOW.

BUT I REALLY DON'T LIKE PEOPLE HAVING TO GET A PERMIT AND GO GET A VARIANCE FOR EVERY TIME THEY WANNA GET A PERMIT.

UH, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IN THERE.

UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, COLORING AND SIDING.

YOU WANNA GO VISIT A WEBSITE, CUSTOM, UH, SHIPPING CONTAINERS AND SHIPPING CONTAINERS, AFFORDABLE SHIPPING CONTAINERS.

THESE THINGS CAME OUT AND THERE AIN'T NO CORRUGATION THAT YOU CAN SEE.

THEY HAVE HARDY SIDING ON 'EM AND CEDARS WOOD, I MEAN, THEY'RE NICE IN THE PROCESS.

AND, UH, AS STAFF TOLD ME THAT IF I'M MISQUOTING, HE SAID THAT THEY CAN'T REGULATE MATERIALS , YOU KNOW, IN THE PROCESS.

SO I THINK THAT MAY BE A CONCERN IN THE PROCESS.

IN GOING IN, UH, 15 YEARS AGO, OUR BOY SCOUT TROOP, WHEN ST.

MARK'S MOVED THEIR BUILDING FROM THE OLD ONE OVER TO THE NEW LOCATION, WE BOUGHT TWO SHIPPING CONTAINERS AND THEY WERE INSULATED.

WE PAINTED THEM, THE CHURCH KEPT ONE, THE STORE STUFF IN, AND WE KEPT ONE TO STORE ALL OF OUR, OUR BOYS CAMPING EQUIPMENT AND EVERYTHING IN THERE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A SCOUT BUILDING ANYMORE.

AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY'RE STILL THERE ANYMORE.

BUT, UH, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAD AT THE OLD LOCATION WHEN IT WAS OVER THERE IN AUGUSTINE NEIGHBORHOOD, PEOPLE

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YOU JUST DIDN'T GET INTO IT.

SO THERE'S A DEFINITELY AN APPLICATION FOR THESE HERE IN OUR TOWN, AND THEY COULD BE A HUGE BENEFIT TO PARTICULARLY SMALL BUSINESSES.

UM, NOW I LOOKED AT PHARMACIES, THERE'S DAYCARES, THERE'S VARIOUS THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN USED THAT MAY LET THEM COME INTO TOWN, OPEN UP AND HAVE A BUSINESS, UH, WITHOUT HAVING TO GO IN THERE AND BUILD A BUILDING.

I'M EVEN A SMALL BUILDING THIS TOWN, BUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MINIMUM.

AND, AND LIKE I SAY, THESE THINGS YOU ROLLED UP AND WHAT THEY DO, IN CASE YOU DON'T, YOU GET TWO OF THEM, THEY PUT 'EM SIDE BY SIDE OR THEY WELD 'EM TOGETHER AND THEY CUT THE INSIDES OUT AND THEY REBRACE 'EM.

SO YOU HAVE THIS VERY LARGE ROOM ON THE INSIDE.

SO IT'S SOMETHING HERE.

MY ONLY CONCERNS WAS THE LIMITING THE LENGTH OF HOW HIGH YOU SET IT.

AND AGAIN, I'M NOT LOOKING AT FOREFOOT, BUT THERE ARE DEFINITELY AREAS THAT I THINK THAT MAY BE, OR EVEN REQUIRING A BERM OR A PAD WHEN A LOT OF PLACES THEY'RE SET ON THESE PILE BLOCKS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, HOW ELSE TO DESCRIBE THEM.

PEER BLOCKS MAYBE IN THE PROCESS.

SO THERE'D BE SOME LEEWAY IN, AND I'LL BE VOTING FOR THESE AMENDMENTS.

THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT.

THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS HOW DO THEY ATTACH TO THE GROUND NUMBER ONE AND THEN THE FENCING, IF IT'S, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, IS THE FENCE GONNA BE REQUIRED FOR THAT? SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? YES.

YES.

COMMISSIONER CARROLL.

I'M SORRY.

CAN WE GET ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER OR, I DON'T KNOW, LET ME JUST, I DON'T, SORRY.

IF THEY DON'T PUT IT ON A PEER BLOCK AND IT'S ON A SLAB OR A BERM, HOW DO YOU ATTACH IT? I'M ASSUMING Y'ALL ARE GONNA REQUIRE 'EM TO BE ATTACHED TO THE GROUND.

AND HOW WOULD YOU DO THAT? BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THOSE APPLICATIONS AND EVERYTHING I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT FOR THE LAST 12 MONTHS.

WELL, WHEN WE LOOK AT SHIPPING CONTAINERS, YOU ASKED, YOU ASKED A, A SERIES OF QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER, SO I'LL TRY MY BEST TO REMEMBER.

UH, THE QUESTIONS, UH, AND I'LL START WITH THE MOST RECENT ONE ABOUT THE FENCING.

UH, THE FENCING OR SCREENING WILL BE REQUIRED AS WE LOOK THROUGH TRANSITIONING FROM A HIGHER INTENSE USE.

FOR INSTANCE, GOING FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL, THAT'S WHEN YOU'LL NEED SCREENING.

HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE RESIDENTIAL TO RESIDENTIAL SCREENING WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED IN THOSE CASES.

IF YOU'RE GOING FROM INDUSTRIAL TO COMMERCIAL, THEN SCREENING WOULD BE REQUIRED.

BUT IF YOU'RE GOING COMMERCIAL TO COMMERCIAL, THEN THEY'RE THE SAME, UH, USE.

SO THEN AT THAT POINT IT WOULD, IT WOULD DEPEND ON IF YOU'RE, AND I'M TRYING NOT TO GET TOO FAR IN THE WEEDS.

IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, OUTDOOR STORAGE, THEN OUR CODE IDENTIFIES THAT SCREENING AND FENCING IS REQUIRED.

SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET THAT.

UM, SO THAT'S THE FIRST ONE.

IN TERMS OF FENCING, UH, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE AESTHETICS OF THE CONTAINER ON HOW IT SHOULD LOOK, UH, THE CODE ALREADY COUNT, CALLS OUT 10 CRITERIA.

HOWEVER, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, SHIPPING CONTAINERS AS EITHER MODULAR OR A MATERIAL.

AND IF THEY'RE EITHER OR MODULAR ESSENTIALLY MEANS THAT IT'S FABRICATED OR IT'S MADE IN A FACTORY THAT WE DON'T GET TO SEE.

THEREFORE, AN ENGINEER IS ESSENTIALLY ALLOWING A SEAL THAT'S SAYING THIS IS BUILT CORRECTLY, IT'S MOVED TO THE SITE, AND THEN DEPENDING ON IF IT'S USED AS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, OH IT'S, IT'S OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SQUARE FEET AS A PRIMARY STRUCTURE, THAT'S WHEN OUR BUILDING CODES AND PERMITTING GET INVOLVED FOR ELECTRICAL PERMITS AND THINGS AS OF THAT.

SO THEY LOOK AT THAT IN THAT ASPECT.

UH, THEN IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR INSTANCE, THE ONE FOOT BERM THAT ISN'T TO TAKE AWAY FROM FEMA.

IF FEMA IDENTIFIES HER IN A FLOODPLAIN, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO DESIGN AND BUILD IT.

THEY WILL HAVE TO DO THAT.

UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE BERM IS, FOR INSTANCE, IN COMMERCIAL AREAS, YOU SEE SOME COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES LIKE TO GET CREATIVE.

THEY LIKE TO USE ART OR SOME TYPE OF SIGNING ON THE CONTAINER, AND THEN THEY WILL ELEVATE THAT CONTAINER BY THE USE OF A BERM OR SOMETHING THAT THEY MADE.

SO IT ELEVATES IT SO IT'S LESS, UH, SO IT'S EASIER OR MORE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.

THAT'S WHAT THAT CODE IS MEANT TO REDUCE FROM PEOPLE COMMERCIAL USING THAT SHIPPING CONTAINER AS A DISPLAY TOOL.

HOWEVER, IT'S FEMA FLOOD WAVE, UH, AN ENGINEER IS IDENTIFYING IT HAS TO BE BUILT OR LIFTED PART, UH, PARTICULAR LEVEL.

THIS, UH, AMENDMENT WOULD NOT RESTRICT THAT.

SO I HAVE A FOLLOW UP TO THAT.

YES, SIR.

SO IS THIS NOT REQUIRING THEM TO BE ON SOME TYPE OF EITHER A BERM OR CONCRETE A PAD IF THEY'RE PUT IN? 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE LANGUAGE SAYS IF THEY'RE BUILT, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE COMMON INSTALLATION METHOD IN A LOT OF PLACES.

IF THEY'RE BUILT AS THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, THE

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AND THEN OUR CODES DEPARTMENT PERMITTING WILL IDENTIFY AND MAKE CERTAIN THEY'RE ADHERING TO WHATEVER THAT DESIGN IS.

UH, WHERE WE'RE LOOKING ABOUT, IF SOMEONE, IF SOMEONE BOUGHT A METAL UTILITY SHED FROM LOWE'S THAT'S UNDER 200 SQUARE FEET, THEY CAN PLACE IT WHEREVER THEY WANT TO AS LONG AS THEY'RE MEETING SETBACKS AND WHATNOT AND THEY DON'T NEED A PERMIT.

SO I THINK THAT QUESTION IS, HAS TWO ANSWERS.

ONE, IF IT'S TWO LARGER THAN 200 SQUARE FEET, IT'S A PRIMARY STRUCTURE OR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE SOME FOUNDATION.

WHAT THAT FOUNDATION IS THE DESIGN, THE ENGINEER WOULD IDENTIFY THAT.

SO THESE THINGS TYPICALLY ARE 10, 20 OR 30 FOOT ON THE MARKET.

THAT'S THE MOST COMMON.

THEY HAVE SOME FORTIES TOO THAT COME IN.

SO SOME OF THOSE ARE GONNA BE LARGER THAN 200 FOOT, A 20 FOOT OR 25 FOOT YOU CAN BUY RIGHT NOW FOR $1,800 SHIPPED.

AND I JUST HAD A CONCRETE PAD POURED IN MY DRIVEWAY IN MY HOUSE, AND IT WAS EIGHT GRAND.

SO I'M SPENDING FOUR TIMES AS MUCH AS WHAT THE UNIT COST ME TO DEPEND.

SO MY CONSTRAIN ARE WE CONSTRAINING THE, THE CITIZEN IF THEY'RE USING IT NOT AS A, NOT AS A HOME, BUT AS A ACCESSORY SUCH AS A WORKSHOP OR WHATEVER IN THERE BY REQUIRING THAT COMING IN, BECAUSE I SUSPECT A LOT OF THESE ARE GONNA BE BIGGER THAN THAT.

MY SECOND FOLLOW UP IS DO WE NOT HAVE PROPERTIES IN, IN BAYTOWN, I'M SURE I'VE SEEN THEM THAT HAVE STORAGE UNITS AND THINGS THAT ARE BIGGER THAN 200 SQUARE FOOT FOOT ON THEIR PROPERTY AND THEY'RE NOT FENCED.

IN FACT, THE PROPERTY'S NOT FENCED.

I MEAN, SOME OF THESE LARGER TRACKS THAT WE HAVE AROUND THE OUT AREAS THAT ARE PART OF THE CITY LIMITS, THEY'RE WHAT, 5, 6, 300, UH, THREE ACRES, 10 ACRES OR WHATEVER.

UH, IS THERE, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE NEED FOR THE FENCING FOR A RESIDENTIAL? I I, AGAIN, ARE YOU PUTTING TOO MUCH RESTRICTIONS IN THERE OR IS THAT A VARIANCE TYPE THING? I I THINK YOU'RE MIXING UP THE, THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS AT AT PLAY HERE.

SO THE 200 SQUARE FOOT, UM, ALL THAT, ALL THAT DOES IS WE ALREADY HAVE THAT IN PLACE.

IF YOU HAVE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT'S LESS THAN 200 SQUARE FOOT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT.

YOU STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES.

YOU STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW THE CODE.

YOU JUST DON'T HAVE TO GET IT PERMITTED AND INSPECTED.

THAT'S ALREADY A RULE.

SO WE WOULD TREAT THIS THE SAME AS WE WOULD ANY OTHER ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

IN TERMS OF PUTTING IT ON A, SO BEFORE I FINISH THAT, UM, THE, THE FENCING REQUIREMENT IS ONLY REQUIRED.

SO AGAIN, WE WOULDN'T REQUIRE IT FOR A SHED.

SO WE'RE NOT GONNA REQUIRE IT FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, UH, CONTAINER EITHER OVER 200 FEET SQUARE FEET, REGARDLESS.

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

THE, THE 200 SQUARE FEET HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT PART OF IT.

THE ONLY TIME WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE FENCING IS AS A BUFFER YARD REQUIREMENT.

AGAIN, THAT'S ALREADY IN THE CODE AND THAT IS BETWEEN DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES.

SO YOU NEED TO BUFFER BETWEEN A COMMERCIAL AND A RESIDENTIAL, THEN WE WOULD REQUIRE FENCE.

BUT AGAIN, WE ALREADY REQUIRE THAT.

UM, IT WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED ON THE, ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE IF YOU'RE PUTTING ONE IN YOUR BACKYARD, BUT YOU WOULD REQUIRE IT IF THE GUY NEXT DOOR HAS A, UM, A BUSINESS AND IS USING SOMETHING IN THEIR BACK, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO IT.

OKAY.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THE, THE MORE INTENSE USE HAS TO BE THE ONE TO, TO PROVIDE THAT.

THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT WAS THE, UM, I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.

THE FOUNDATION, THANK YOU.

THE FOUNDATION, UM, BUILDING CODE ALREADY, UM, REQUIRES THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE, SO IF IT'S A STRUCTURE THAT'S GONNA BE INHABITED, SO IT'S A BUILDING THAT YOU'RE EITHER GONNA HAVE YOUR BUSINESS IN OR LIVE IN, THEN THE BUILDING CODE ALREADY ADDRESSES THIS IS THE FOUNDATION, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO.

SO THAT, THAT ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE, UM, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

IF IT'S AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, AGAIN, IF IT'S A GARAGE, YOU MAY HAVE TO DO A CERTAIN, AND, AND I'M, AND I'M NOT THE BUILDING CODE EXPERT, BUT IT'S GONNA TELL YOU WHAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE MINIMUM FOR A FOUNDATION, FOR A GARAGE, FOR A SHED, FOR, UH, ANY, ANY OTHER KIND OF STRUCTURE THAT YOU MIGHT.

SO THESE ARE GONNA BE TREATED THE SAME AS ANY OTHER.

I THINK THAT'S THE, THE TAKE HOME MESSAGE ON THIS ONE IS THEY'RE GOING TO BE TREATED MUCH THE SAME AS ANY OTHER STRUCTURE THAT'S ALLOWED.

UM, BUT THE OLD CODE BASICALLY SAID IN RESIDENTIAL, YOU CAN'T HAVE THESE FOR ANY REASON.

UH, IN COMMERCIAL IT WAS JUST SILENT.

IN INDUSTRIAL, WE HAD THE, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING NOW, UM, JUST BASICALLY TO GO BACK TO THAT LANGUAGE BECAUSE THE CURRENT CODE IS JUST SILENT ON CONTAINERS ACROSS THE BOARD.

AND SO THAT SAID, WHEN THE CODE IS SILENT, WE PRETTY MUCH TAKE, UH, THE, THE, THE STRICTEST INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE IS IT'S NOT ALLOWED NOW IN INDUSTRIAL, OF COURSE IT'S A LAB THAT, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

THAT WAS AN OVERSIGHT IN THE CODE.

SO WE'VE MADE THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE JUST KIND OF CONTINUED, BUT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE IT ALL IN THE CODE AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S FOLLOWING THE SAME RULES.

AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT, WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

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THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARROLL.

I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, I'M JUST READING THROUGH HERE, MAKING SURE I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING MISUNDERSTANDING SOMETHING IS YOUR MIC ON MA'AM? THANK YOU.

I APOLOGIZE.

THANK YOU.

SO IN YOUR PRESENTATION, UH, YOU WERE DISCUSSING THAT YOU COULD NOT STACK, UH, THE CONTAINERS IN COMMERCIAL USE.

AND I'M SITTING HERE READING, UM, IN 2.325, IT TALKS ABOUT, UM, SHIPPING CONTAINERS MAY NOT BE STACKED ON ONE ANOTHER IN A COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

AM I MISINTERPRETING SOMETHING? UM, UNLESS, UNLESS THEY ARE THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

IF THEY ARE THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, THEN THEY CAN BE STACKED, RIGHT? SO IF, IF, IF SOMEBODY IN THAT EXAMPLE THAT WE HAD THAT WAS REALLY NICELY STRUCTURED, HAD THE HAIR SALON ON THE TOP AND THE WHATEVER, SO ARE WE SAYING THAT WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED? 'CAUSE THEY'RE STATS THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED BECAUSE IT'S THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE, IT'S WHAT THE BUSINESS IS BEING OPERATED WITHIN.

OKAY.

THINK OF IT AS IF YOU'RE GONNA DO A STORAGE JUST FOR STORAGE, THEN YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE, ONE LEVEL.

IF YOU'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING LIKE WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, THEN YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY STACK THEM BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU'RE THINKING, THINK OF THAT THEY'RE MAKING UP THAT BIGGER STRUCTURE.

SAME FOR A HOUSE, UM, THAT SORT OF THING.

BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A, A STORAGE IN YOUR BACKYARD, THEN YOU GET ONE ON THE GROUND AND THAT'S IT.

OKAY.

SO, AND MAYBE THAT COULD BE CLARIFIED.

'CAUSE YOU SEE THAT SENTENCE THAT JUST SAYS SHIPPING CONTAINERS MAY NOT BE STACKED ON ONE ANOTHER IN THE COMMERCIAL.

USE IT, IT'S UNDER ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE, I BELIEVE I, IN THE COMMERCIAL IN 2.3, TWO FIVE, WE, WE'LL, WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK THE LANGUAGE.

OKAY.

BUT THANKS.

YEAH.

WE'LL, WE'LL WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT.

BUT IF YOU HAD ENOUGH LAND RESIDENTIALLY AND YOU WANTED TO PUT A STORAGE UNIT IN YOUR BACKYARD, 'CAUSE THERE IS A, AS YOU EXPLAINED TO ME, THERE'S A MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE AT A STORAGE AREA IN YOUR YARD.

YEAH.

IF YOU HAD ENOUGH PROPERTY, YOU COULD HAVE TWO OF THESE ON THE GROUND FLAT, NOT DOUBLE STACK IF YOU WANTED BIGGER STORAGE.

IS THAT CORRECT? IF IT MET THE LAND REQUIREMENTS, YOU COULD.

OKAY.

AGAIN, LIKE ANY OTHER, LIKE ANY OTHER STORAGE, UM, TYPE OF STRUCTURE.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

YES, MA'AM.

A FEW, UM, FIRST, SO I DO, I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERNS WHEN IT COMES TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND THEY'RE NOT BEING STACKED JUST BECAUSE, UM, THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BUILD A LARGE GARAGE OR ANYTHING.

I MEAN, WHAT I'VE SEEN IS THE HEIGHT OF THESE INTERIOR, IF, IF THEY'RE HORIZONTAL RIGHT, IS LIKE ABOUT NINE AND A HALF FEET, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, IF, IF YOU WANTED TO BUILD A GARAGE OUT OF IT OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA BE PRETTY RESTRICTED, UM, WITH THAT.

OR IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO STORE SOMETHING, AN RV ON PROPERTY, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT WOULDN'T REALLY BE A POSSIBILITY UNLESS I GUESS YOU STOOD MULTIPLE ONES UP ON THEIR SIDE AND THEN THEY'RE 20 FEET IN THE AIR AND THEN TYING THEM TOGETHER.

BUT I'M PRETTY SURE Y'ALL DON'T WANT THAT.

RIGHT? LIKE, UM, BUT I, I'M NOT SURE THAT WOULD BE CHEAPER THAN THE ALTERNATIVE AT THAT STAGE.

BUT YEAH, IT, IT, IT'S JUST, I MEAN, WITH BEING ABLE, IF THERE WERE THINGS THAT YOU WANTED OR IF YOU WANTED TO BUILD A SHOP IN YOUR BACKYARD OR SOMETHING, I MEAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT TYPICALLY AT LEAST A 20 FOOT CEILING.

AND THIS WOULD NOT ACHIEVE THAT BY ANY MEANS, UM, AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

AND, UM, AND I KNOW LIKE MY BLESS YOU, MY DAD HAS A SHED, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, I DON'T KNOW, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, HIGHER AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND, AND IT'S DEFINITELY, HE, HE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO WHAT HE NEEDED TO DO IN ONLY NINE, YOU KNOW, NINE FEET.

AND SO I JUST, I THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT AND, UM, AND SO I REALLY THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE RECONSIDERED.

UM, WHEN IT COMES TO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, ESPECIALLY IF SOMEONE WANTED TO BUILD LIKE A GARAGE OR WHAT HAVE YOU, OR YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, A BARN MINIUM OR YOU KNOW, AND ANY, WELL THAT TECHNICALLY IF THAT'S NOT THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND YOU'RE AT LEASING OUT, THEN YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITH IT BECAUSE IT'S AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AT THAT POINT.

UM, SO I REALLY THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE REVISITED AND LOOKED AT.

UM, AND I, I GUESS ANOTHER

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CAN YOU PLEASE ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE? UM, IN 2017, I REMEMBER IT WAS 2017 OR 2019 AT THE STATE LEVEL.

UM, THEY REMOVED OUR ABILITY TO REGULATE BUILDING MATERIALS.

THEY, THAT WAS, SO YEAH, IT WAS EIGHT, SEVEN OR NINE YEARS AGO.

SO LIKE, IF THEY WERE GONNA BUILD A HOUSE OR BUILD A GARAGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO IT SEEMS AS LONG AS IT'S IN THE BUILDING CODE THAT IT'S AN ACCEPTABLE BUILDING MATERIAL.

RIGHT.

WE HAVE TO ALLOW IT.

WE DON'T HAVE A, THE ONLY, THE ONLY EXCEPTION IS IF WE HAVE A, SAY A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR A, A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT, A PD, THEN WE CAN, WE CAN NEGOTIATE THAT AS PART OF THAT, RIGHT.

BUT THAT BECOMES SOMETHING THAT THEY, THAT THE BUILDER DOES WILLINGLY AT THAT POINT, WE CAN'T DICTATE IT.

SO IT SEEMS EXACTLY LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS THAT WE'RE DICTATING WHAT SOMEBODY CAN BUILD A HOUSE OUT OF OR THE MATERIALS THAT THEY USE OR HOW THEY USE IT.

UM, NOW I DO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, PREFABRICATION AND, AND WHAT HAVE YOU AND THAT MIGHT HAVE THEIR OWN CODES AND STUFF THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH.

BUT THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE DICTATING NO, YOU CAN'T BUILD A SOMETHING OUT OF THIS METAL MATERIAL, UM, BECAUSE IT ALREADY IS A BOX.

AND SO THE, THE PART THAT I MENTIONED ABOUT IT BEING IN THE BUILDING CODE, SHIPPING CONTAINERS AS A BUILDING MATERIAL ARE NOT IN THE BUILDING CODE.

SO IT IS NOT A, IT IS NOT AN APPROVED BUT METAL BUILDING MATERIAL.

UM, NOT LIKE THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

UM, BUT, BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO ALLOW IT, BUT TO PUT SOME BUMPERS ON IT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE WELL.

AND I THINK WHEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT NOT STACKING, NOT BEING ABLE TO STACK THEM IN, UM, LIKE IN RESIDENTIAL, WE'RE BEING CAUTIOUS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE IS THE, UM, THE LIABILITY LIABILITY.

BUT THE, THE ABILITY FOR THIS TO GO IN A, TO GO IN A TERRIBLE WAY AND, AND LOOK REALLY BAD.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE, AGAIN, WE'RE BEING CAUTIOUS.

WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE, NUMBER ONE, UM, DON'T JUST GO CRAZY WITH 'EM.

'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT THE WHOLE CITY TO BE MADE OUT OF THESE THINGS.

BUT IF YOU CAN DO SOMETHING, MAKE IT LOOK TASTEFUL TO MAKE IT LOOK NICE, HAVE IT FIT IN WITH THE COMMUNITY, THEN GREAT.

UM, IF WE'RE STACKING THESE THINGS TO 35 FEET SO I CAN PUT MY RV AND MY BASKETBALL COURT IN THERE, THEN I THINK WE'RE MISSING THE POINT OF WHY WE'RE ALLOWING THEM AT THAT POINT.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE KIND OF, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED AT ALL RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT.

IN RESIDENTIAL, NOT ALLOWED.

SO, SO IF WE GET TO A POINT LATER DOWN THE ROAD WHERE WE'RE LIKE, OH, THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT EXPERIMENT, WE WOULD LIKE TO OPEN IT UP.

I THINK MAYBE THAT'S A BETTER IDEA.

BUT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO FIND ANY OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ALLOWED YOU TO STACK THEM AS ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

RIGHT? BUT IF SOMEBODY WERE TO BUILD A BASKETBALL COURT IN THEIR BACKYARD AND RIGHT AND USED A DIFFERENT MATERIAL, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO SO.

AND SO THIS IS THE MATERIAL THAT THEY'RE CHOOSING TO DO.

SO THAT IS SEEMS INCREDIBLY STURDY AND CHEAP, UM, THEN THAT THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

AND SO, AND IF THIS IS THE MATERIAL, AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT WE DON'T WANT THINGS TO GO CRAZY, BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD REMEMBER THAT WE ARE ALLOWING SHIPPING CONTAINERS TO BE USED AS BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE FACILITIES THROUGHOUT OUR CITY AND THEY'RE PROLIFERATING.

SO USING THEM IS SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S HAPPENING.

AND EVEN FOR COMMERCIAL USE, I JUST BELIEVE THAT WE IT FOR A BASKETBALL COURT OR TO STORE AN RV IF THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

EITHER WAY, USING METAL MATERIALS, USING THAT TYPE OF THING, IT, IT SEEMS AS IF THIS COULD BE AN OPTION FOR THAT FOR ACCESSORY USE.

AND WE ARE RESTRICTING THAT.

WE'RE, BECAUSE, AND AS YOU SAY, AND I DO RESPECT THAT YOU SAY IF THE CODE IS SILENT, Y'ALL LEAN TO IT.

BUT ALSO IF THE CODE IS SILENT, THEN THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS NO, THEY CAN'T DO THAT TO BE ABLE TO ENCLOSE THEIR RV OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT RIGHT NOW.

SO I REALLY THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE RECONSIDERED WHEN IT COMES TO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.

UM, AND UH, ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE THOUGH IS TEMPORARY USES, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, PERMANENT USES, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD REALLY BACK OFF A LITTLE BIT MORE ON ALL THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WE'RE GIVING.

UM, LET'S BE EXCITED THAT SOMEBODY IS WILLING TO INVEST TO MAKE SOMETHING BETTER PRETTIER, EXPAND THEIR PROPERTY, UM, ADD VALUE TO IT, UM, ESPECIALLY RESIDENTIAL.

AND UNLESS OF COURSE THERE'S HOA AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WOULD RESTRICT FROM THOSE THINGS.

UM,

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MORE OR LIKE, COULD I, COULD I I GUESS COME DOWN TO YOUR OFFICE AND SAY, EMORY, I'M, I AM GOING TO BE REMODELING MY HOME.

I'D LIKE TO USE A SHIPPING CONTAINER.

I CAN GET A PERMIT FOR IT.

IF, IF YOU ARE GET YES.

IF YOU'RE GETTING A BUILDING PERMIT AND YOU HAVE A A A REASON FOR HAVING A SHIPPING CONTAINER AS PART OF THAT BUILDING PERMIT, IT CAN BE PERMITTED WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT.

YES.

OKAY.

GOOD DEAL.

I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT THIS WASN'T GOING TO STOP ANY OF THAT.

UM, UH, THE, I THINK THE LAST THING THAT, UM, THAT I REALLY JUST WANTED SOME CLARIFICATION ON IS WITH THE NOT STACKING, WOULD IT BE BECAUSE OF HEIGHT OR ALSO LIKE THE, THE, UM, FOUNDATIONS THAT WERE SPOKEN OF AND LIKE, WOULD IT BE DIFFERENT FOR IF YOU WERE A COMMERCIAL? LIKE COULD THEY COME IN AND APPLY FOR A PERMIT TO BE ABLE TO DO AN ACCESSORY OR TO MAKE IT FOR A VARIANCE? THEY'D HAVE TO BRING IT TO US IF THEY WANTED TO MAKE SOMETHING LARGER? NO, IT JUST WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED.

IT JUST WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED AT ALL.

THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET ANY TYPE OF SPECIAL USE OR NO.

OKAY.

UM, AND AS FOR THE FOUNDATIONS, UM, I KNOW THAT Y'ALL SAID THAT LIKE FEMA AND THEY, AND THEN THE BUILDING CODE THAT DICTATES WHAT THE FOUNDATIONS CAN BE.

UM, YOU HAD MADE A COMMENT, CALVIN, YOU HAD SAID NO MORE THAN, OR NO LESS THAN, UM, THE ONE FOOT AND THE THREE FOOT.

OKAY.

SO I, IN KINGSMAN ON TOMPKINS DRIVE, THERE'S A HOME THAT WAS BUILT LIKE 20 FEET IN THE AIR, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT FLOODS.

SO WOULD IT BE ALLOWED FOR SOMETHING TO BE LARGE? 'CAUSE YOU DID SAY NO MORE THAN THREE FEET.

AND SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IF SOMEBODY NEEDED TO ELEVATE IT LARGER TO BE ABLE TO, WHETHER THEY'RE IN A FLOODPLAIN OR THEY'RE NOT, BECAUSE THAT, I MEAN, THAT WAS A ONCE IN A LIFETIME FLOOD OF HARVEY THAT TOOK IT OUT.

MY PARENTS LIVE A FEW HOUSES DOWN, YOU KNOW, IT WAS UNPRECEDENTED, BUT WE WERE SHOCKED WHEN THE HOUSE WAS REBUILT IN THE AIR.

SO IS THAT, WOULD THESE BE ALLOWED TO BE USED AS THAT IN THAT, I, I WOULD SAY THAT IF IF IT'S IN THE FLOODPLAIN, WE'RE NOT ARMY.

IF IT, IF IT'S IN THE FLOODPLAIN AND THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS SAYING THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED THROUGH FEMA, THEN I, I WOULDN'T WANNA SPEND THE MONEY TO PUT A CONTAINER 20 FOOT IN THE AIR BECAUSE A LOT OF STUFF ARE GONNA GO WITH IT HOWEVER.

BUT IF IT'S IN THE FLOOD PLAIN AND THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED BY FEMA, THIS WOULDN'T RESTRICT IT.

OH, IT WASN'T REQUIRED, BUT YES.

NO, THAT'S A GREAT, OKAY.

THAT'S, THAT WAS A FUN, I THINK WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO WHAT, UM, CALVIN KIND OF DESCRIBED AS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID.

THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS IS DESIGNED TO DO IS IT'S NOT DESIGNED TO KEEP SOMEONE FROM, I'M GONNA BUILD A HOUSE SO I CAN'T PUT IT FIVE FEET UP FOR, FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY, THAT WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED.