* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [ CITY OF BAYTOWN NOTICE OF MEETING CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION THURSDAY, JANUARY 22, 2026 5:30 P.M. COUNCIL CHAMBER, CITY HALL 2401 MARKET STREET, BAYTOWN, TEXAS 77520 AGENDA CALL TO ORDER AND ANNOUNCEMENT OF QUORUM ] [00:00:03] I NOW CALL TO ORDER THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION ON THURSDAY, JANUARY 22ND, 2026 AT 5:30 PM AN ANNOUNCEMENT OF QUORUM AT 5:36 PM WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP WITH CITIZEN COMMENT. NO ONE HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK [a. Discussion regarding usage of shipping containers in Baytown.] ON TO TWO A DISCUSSION REGARDING THE USAGE OF SHIPPING CONTAINERS IN BAYTOWN. MR. MARTIN SCRIBNER. THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNSEL AGAIN, UH, FOR THE RECORD, MARTIN SCRIBNER PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. UM, AS YOU CAN TELL BY THE GIANT CROWD HERE TONIGHT, WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE EVER EXCITING, UH, TOPIC OF SHIPPING CONTAINERS AND HOW THEY GET USED IN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN. YEAH, NEVERMIND. OKAY. SO, UM, OKAY, SO AS YOU REMEMBER, UH, LAST MONTH WE CAME FORWARD WITH A, UH, AN UPDATE TO THE LDC AND IT INCLUDED SOME SHIPPING CONTAINER REGULATIONS. UM, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON KIND OF WHERE WE GOT, WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT. AND THEN WE'RE GONNA SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES TONIGHT. AND REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS DIRECTION. WHAT WE HEARD IN DECEMBER WAS WE WANT TO DO MORE WITH THIS. OKAY, GREAT. WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS. SO TONIGHT WE NEED THAT DIRECTION FROM YOU. SO WE WANT TO KNOW, WE YOU LIKE THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN AND WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN. SPECIFICALLY FOR BAYTOWN, WHAT DO YOU WANNA SEE IN BAYTOWN? WHAT DO YOU NOT WANNA SEE IN BAYTOWN? THEN WE WILL COME BACK NEXT MONTH AND WE WILL, UM, HOPEFULLY NEXT MONTH OR THE MONTH AFTER, AND WE WILL PROVIDE SOME REGULATIONS. BUT IN ORDER FOR, UH, CALVIN AND I TO WRITE THOSE REGULATIONS, WE WILL HAVE TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION. SO AGAIN, I WANNA, I WANT TO KIND OF TAKE US BACK JUST A LITTLE BIT. UH, A FEW YEARS BACK, AND I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT YEAR, I WANNA SAY IT WAS 2015 OR 16, THE CITY COUNCIL DECIDED THAT THEY DID NOT WANT TO SEE SHIPPING CONTAINERS IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS. SO AT THAT TIME, IT WAS BASICALLY PUT IN THE, THE CODE THAT YOU CAN HAVE SHIPPING CONTAINERS, OBVIOUSLY IN INDUSTRIAL. AND THERE WAS A FEW REGULATIONS THAT WERE ADDED TO THOSE, AND THAT WAS BASICALLY WHERE YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE LOT AND HOW TALL YOU CAN STACK THEM. THAT'S AN INDUSTRIAL. THEN IT WAS SAID, OKAY, THERE'S A FOOTNOTE TO THE USE TABLE THAT SAYS YOU CANNOT USE SHIPPING CONTAINERS IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE FOR ANY REASON. AND IT IS VERY WIDE OPEN LIKE THAT. SO WE HAVE ALWAYS INTERPRETED THAT, THAT LITERALLY WE SEE A SHIPPING CONTAINER FOR ANY REASON, BOOM, IT'S OUT OF THERE. SO WE'VE HAD A FEW PEOPLE COME IN AND ASK, WHAT IF I WANTED TO USE IT TO DO THIS OR DO THAT? AND WE'LL KIND OF GET INTO SOME OF THOSE USES TONIGHT. AND WE'VE ALWAYS HAD TO SAY, WELL, IF IT'S IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE, THE ANSWER IS NO. NOW THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT I THINK, UH, YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OUT THERE. UM, AND ONE OF THOSE IS, SAY DURING THE HOLIDAYS, WE JUST GOT THROUGH CHRISTMAS, YOU GO BEHIND WALMART OR LOWE'S OR HEB OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THEY'LL HAVE A SHIPPING CONTAINER BACK THERE THAT HAS EXTRA STORAGE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH, THROUGH SO MUCH PRODUCT. WE'VE ALWAYS SEEN THAT AS A REASONABLE USE, EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T IN THE CODE. AND WE'VE ALWAYS KINDA LEFT THOSE ALONE. THOSE ARE ALL, THOSE ARE ALSO TEMPORARY AND IT TAKES US SOME TIME TO GET THROUGH A CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS. SO BY THE TIME WE WERE TO COME BACK AND ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING WITH THOSE, THOSE BINS ARE ALWAYS GONNA BE GONE ANYWAY. SO, BUT WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT, AGAIN, IF THAT'S AN ACCEPTABLE USE TO COUNSEL, WE'D LIKE TO WRITE THAT INTO THE CODE SO THAT WE KNOW THAT IT'S A, IT'S A THING AND NOBODY HAS TO ASK A QUESTION. WE KNOW THAT IT'S IN THERE. SO, UM, COMING UP TO, UH, A CURRENT TIME, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, WE APPROVED THE NEW ULDC, WHICH WENT INTO EFFECT JANUARY 1ST, LAST YEAR. THAT CODE DID NOT ADDRESS SHIPPING CONTAINERS AT ALL, ANYWHERE, EVER IN THE CODE. SO WHAT WE BROUGHT DECEMBER WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A BANDAID TO KINDA GET US THROUGH. SO AGAIN, WE'RE NOT ALLOWING ANYTHING IN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONES IN INDUSTRIAL THAT STILL MAKES SENSE. WE'RE KIND OF, UM, DEFAULTING TO WHAT WE ALWAYS HAVE DONE BECAUSE THAT, THAT, AGAIN, THAT JUST MAKES MORE SENSE AND THERE AREN'T ANY REAL ARGUMENTS ABOUT THAT. UM, BUT SO NOW MOVING FORWARD, WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO? IS THERE MORE CONVERSATION? I, I, I WOULD ASSUME THAT CITY COUNCIL IN THE PAST DIDN'T LIKE SEEING PEOPLE HAVING SHIPPING CONTAINERS JUST DROPPED IN THEIR YARD FOR STORAGE OR WHATEVER. THEY SIT AND GET RUSTY FOR YEARS. UM, IS THAT SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT? IS THERE SOME, SOME OTHER THINGS? SO ANYWAY, I'M GONNA STOP THERE AND I'M GONNA LET CALVIN COME UP AND KIND OF SHOW YOU GUYS WHAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT. AND AGAIN, WE WANT TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK. SO THIS IS GONNA BE AN ONGOING, UM, DIALOGUE DURING THE PRESENTATION WE WANT YOU TO TELL US. OKAY, YES, I LIKE THAT. NO, I DON'T LIKE THAT. AND CALVIN AND I MAY LEAD YOU IN CERTAIN DIRECTIONS SO THAT WE CAN GET THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. DOES THAT, DOES THAT MAKE IT PRETTY CLEAR? YES, SIR. OKAY, PERFECT. SO I'M GONNA ASK CALVIN, ABRAM TO COME UP AND, UM, WALK US THROUGH THE NEXT PART. [00:05:03] ALRIGHT, THANKS. UH, THANKS MARTIN. UH, MAYOR CITY COUNCIL. THANK Y'ALL. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK HERE. UH, AND AS MARTIN HAS IDENTIFIED, I'M GONNA GO OVER 10 SLIDES AND WITHIN THOSE SLIDES PLEASE USE THIS OPPORTUNITY B TO INTERACTIVE ENGAGEMENT. AT ANY TIME YOU HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE STOP ME RIGHT THEN AND THERE AND I'LL DO WHAT I CAN TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION AND MOVE THE, UH, CONVERSATION FORWARD. UH, AGAIN, AS MARTIN HAS, HAS IDENTIFIED, AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS, AS WE GO THROUGH THESE SLIDES, IS TO GATHER AND GAIN YOUR INPUT ON WHAT DO YOU LIKE, WHAT DO YOU NOT LIKE, WHAT SHOULD WE CONSIDER TO IMPROVE ON SO WE CAN PRODUCE A TEXT AMENDMENT TO YOU THAT IS MORE IN ALIGNED WITH WHAT YOUR VISION IS. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IN THIS FIRST SLIDE, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, SOMETHING WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING. IT'S NOT WRITTEN IN THE CODE AS OF THIS MOMENT, BUT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO THAT CURRENTLY IN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. STORAGE CONTAINERS ARE A USE THAT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT USE. THAT'S CURRENTLY HOW IT WORKS IN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. BUT AS OF THIS MOMENT, OUR CODE DOES NOT EXPLICITLY CALL THAT OUT. SO IN THIS SLIDE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS AN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S IN THE PORT. UM, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S ABOUT, UH, THERE'S THE STORAGE CONTAINERS TO THE REAR OF THE PLANTINGS. THEY'RE ABOUT STACKED TWO TO THREE STORAGE CONTAINERS HIGH. YOU HAVE FENCING EVEN THOUGH IT'S WINTER. SO THE TREES, I MEAN, THE LEAVES AREN'T ON THE TREES. SO THEY HAVE SOME, SOME COVERING, SOME NATURAL COVERING TO REDUCE THE VISIBILITY OF THOSE. SO THESE STORAGE CONTAINERS ARE USED AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO THE PRIMARY USE ON AN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS IS THE FIRST THING WE WE'RE BRINGING TO YOU. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? IT'S CURRENTLY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DOING. IT'S NOT CODIFIED, IT'S TYPICALLY ALLOWED IN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE'RE BRINGING THIS TO YOU BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO CODIFY AND GAIN YOUR INPUT ON. SO ON THIS FIRST SLIDE, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS FIRST SLIDE? I THINK IT'S, GO AHEAD. NO CONCERNS WITH CONTAINERS IN INDUSTRIAL AREAS. UM, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, 'CAUSE I THINK YOU SAID WE HAD IT IN THERE PREVIOUSLY. WHAT DID, WHAT WERE THE, THE HEIGHT REQUIRED? DID WE HAVE A MAX NUMBER THAT COULD BE STACKED PREVIOUSLY? DO YOU KNOW THAT? NO, I DON'T. UM, THAT, THAT PREDATES CALVIN. SO, UM, WE, THERE WERE, AGAIN, THERE WERE TWO BASIC CONDITIONS THAT WENT ALONG WITH THAT. ONE IS, I WANNA SAY THEY COULDN'T BE STACKED HIGHER THAN I THINK THREE SHIPPING CONTAINERS HIGH. AND THEY HAD TO BE IN A CERTAIN PART OF THE YARD SO YOU COULDN'T BRING THEM OUT. AND I SAY OF THE YARD OF THE PROPERTY. SO WHERE THE, IN, IN LINE WITH WHERE THE BUILDING IS, IT HAD TO BE KIND OF BACK, YOU KNOW, IN THE BACK PART OF THE PROPERTY. IT COULDN'T JUST BE DROPPED IN A PARKING LOT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT HAD TO BE A DESIGNATED SPACE FOR THAT. SO YEAH, WE, WE WERE REALLY, STAFF WAS LOOKING AT, FOR INDUSTRIAL, WE THINK THAT THE, THOSE OLD, THAT OLD REGULATION CAN BE BROUGHT BACK IN AND, AND PROBABLY COVER JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING. WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OTHER, UH, COMMUNITIES AS WELL TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT MISSING ANYTHING. BUT FOR OUR PURPOSES SO FAR WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY BIG PROBLEMS WITH IT. OKAY. YEAH. I WAS GONNA ASK, BASED ON YOUR RECOLLECTION WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS, THE THREE HIGH, DID WE HAVE A LOT OF CITATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH OR OKAY. YEAH, I'M FINE WITH, WITH THOSE PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS WE HAD. YEAH, I'LL JUMP IN THERE. NOW. I'M ASSUMING THIS IS EITHER LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ZONING? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. UM, THIS AREA IS GONNA BE ONE OF THE LARGEST LOGISTIC PORT AREAS IN THE UNITED STATES OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS CONTAINERS. SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HAVING CONTAINERS IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. THREE HIGH I THINK IS REASONABLE. BUT YEAH, WE NEED TO BE COMPLETELY AWARE THAT IF WE PASS THE ORDINANCES, YOU CAN'T HAVE CONTAINERS IN INDUSTRIAL AREA. THAT'S WHAT THIS AREA IS GONNA BE OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS. WE'RE NOT ENFORCING THAT AT THIS TIME. YEAH, I KNOW THAT. SO, SO I, AGAIN, I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE. I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. I THINK BRINGING WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY IN PLACE STACK THREE HIGH APPROPRIATELY ON THE YARDS, I THINK IS REASONABLE REGULATION. BUT WE HAVE TO, TO BE AWARE THAT THAT'S WHAT THIS ENTIRE AREA IS GONNA BE OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS. AND, AND THAT'S A GREAT THING 'CAUSE THAT'S JUST MONEY ON THE HOOF. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. IS, IS THERE ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO. ALRIGHT. NEXT SLIDE. THIS SLIDE IS IN FRONT OF LAPORTE OR THIS, UM, SLIDE IS TAKEN FROM IN FRONT OF LAPORTE HIGH SCHOOL. UH, THEY WERE DOING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE HIGH SCHOOL EXPANSIONS, ET CETERA. [00:10:01] WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS IT'S ALLOWED BY CODE, CODE CALLS OUT STORAGE CONTAINERS DURING A REDEVELOPMENT. UM, CONSTRUCTION CAN BE AT THE REAR OF THE, THE PROPERTY OR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THIS SLIDE HERE IS FENCING WITH STORAGE CONTAINERS, STAGING IN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, UM, AS YOU ALSO SEE A STORAGE CONTAINER ON THE LEFT OF THE SLIDE THAT'S USED AS A OFFICE SPACE, ET CETERA. UM, SO THIS IS THE NEXT SLIDE WE'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF STORAGE, UH, DURING CONSTRUCTION ON A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON ALLOWING FOR STAGING, UM, STORAGE OF EQUIPMENT AND ET CETERA ON A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY SCREENED, UM, WITH, WITH FENCING TO SEPARATE THE PUBLIC AT THAT SAFETY ASPECT TO IT? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON ALLOWING SOMETHING AS OF THIS ON A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT? I'M, YOU KNOW, I WAS GONNA JUMP IN ON THIS ONE, RIGHT? MM-HMM . THAT'S THE NORM, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING RIGHT THERE. AND EVERYBODY'S USING A 20 FOOT CONTAINER WITH THE, FOR THE OFFICE SPACE. AND THAT'S, I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA ALWAYS HAVE LOGISTIC STAGING ISSUES SO YOU CAN, IT'S HARD TO CONTROL WHERE YOU CAN PUT THAT. SO YEAH, YOU DON'T WANT IT TOO VISIBLE, BUT IT IS TO, TO, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SOMETIMES WORK AROUND WHAT IS AVAILABLE SPACE ON THAT SITE. SO THERE'S GOTTA BE A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY TO THAT BECAUSE CONSTRUCTION MEANS DEVELOPMENT AND THAT MEANS MORE BUSINESSES IN HERE AND MORE WHAT THIS COMMUNITY'S LOOKING FOR. YES, MA'AM. AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT AS WELL. AND I BELIEVE THAT, UM, GOOSE CREEK HAD SOME SIMILAR DESIGNS FOR WHEN THEY WERE, UM, SHOWCASING THE DESIGN FOR STERLING HIGH SCHOOL, WHERE THEY WERE GONNA HAVE TO PUT SOME TEMPORARY, UH, STORAGE AND POSSIBLE OFFICE USE USING CONTAINERS, UM, OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT. 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T REALLY SPECIFY, BUT I'M OKAY WITH IT. I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS, MAYOR. MM-HMM . UM, I MEAN, I WORK IN PLANTS AROUND HERE WHERE A LOT OF EQUIPMENT IS PERMANENTLY TEMPORARY. MM-HMM . UM, AND SO WHEN WE SAY A TEMPORARY OFFICE IN STORAGE DURING CONSTRUCTION, WILL THAT IN SOME, I MEAN, HOW DO WE ENSURE IT, IT IT STAYS TEMPORARY? WILL IT IN SOME, IN SOME WAY BE TIED TO THE PERMITTING PROCESS? OR WILL THAT, IF IT'S A A TEMPORARY OFFICE, WILL IT HAVE SOME CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY OR WHAT, WHAT ALL WILL GO INTO CALLING THIS A TEMPORARY OFFICE? WELL, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, STOP ME IF I'M WRONG HERE. UH, MARTIN, THE, THE TEMPORARY STAGING AND CONTAINERS WILL RUN, WILL RUN AS LONG AS THE BUILDING PERMIT EXISTS. SO ONCE THE CONSTRUCTION IS DONE BEFORE AN APPLICANT CAN GET THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, THE CONTAINERS AND THE TEMPORARY LOGISTICS CENTER WILL HAVE TO BE REMOVED. OKAY. EXCELLENT. I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THIS USE. I I, I'M GOOD WITH THEM. I'M PERFECTLY FOND OF THIS USE. ALRIGHT, NOW I GAVE YOU TWO GOOD PICTURES. SO I HAD TO THROW IN A PICTURE THAT MAY NOT BE AS VISUALLY PLEASING. UM, HOWEVER, THIS COULD BE A RESULT INTENDED OR UNINTENDED IF WE WERE TO ALLOW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE STORAGE CONTAINERS ON PROPERTY. THIS IS A PROPERTY I, I, I THINK OFF MONROE THAT'S IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE AIRPORT. HOUSTON AIRPORT HOBBY AIRPORT. UM, IT'S A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. YOU CAN SEE COMMERCIAL, UM, STRUCTURES TO THE REAR FENCING IN THE FRONT WITH BARB, BARB WIRE. UM, HOWEVER, THEY PLACE STORAGE CONTAINERS ON THE LOT. IT IS VISIBLE, BUT IN HOUSTON, THAT IS ALLOWED AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. I KNOW THIS MAY NOT BE THE BEST PICTURE, HOWEVER IT COULD HAPPEN AND IT COULD BE LIMITED DEPENDING ON HOW WE REGULATE IT. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THIS BODY WOULD BE WILLING TO CONSIDER ALLOWING STORAGE CONTAINERS ON A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AS AN ACCESSORY USE? NOW WE COULD REGULATE, UM, FENCING, UM, WE COULD REGULATE, YOU KNOW, SCREENING AND THINGS AS OF THAT LOCATION OH. AND LOCATION. SO I AGREED WITH EVERYTHING THAT Y'ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER. BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, SCREENING IN THE CODE. UM, THERE'S A, ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE THAT LOOKS SIMILAR TO THIS IN DISTRICT [00:15:01] TWO AT THE CORNER OF MAIN AND GULF, UM, THERE'S A PROPERTY THAT WAS SOLD AND NOW THERE'S IN AND OUT OF 18 WHEELERS. BUT IT LOOKS, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE STORING THE STORAGE CONTAINERS AND IT, IT'S, SO THERE'S HOMES THAT ARE BACKING UP TO THIS PROPERTY AND IT, IT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO THIS AND IT'S NOT VERY APPEASING TO THE EYE. SO I THINK, UM, SOME FENCING REGULATIONS WOULD, WOULD BE GOOD. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS BE, WOULD THIS BE A, A SIMILAR THING THEN AS WELL AS WHAT I MENTIONED ABOUT LIKE HEB OR SOMETHING DURING THE HOLIDAYS? LIKE A TEMPORARY THAT IS CORRECT. SO AGAIN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WE COULD EASILY SAY THIS CAN ONLY BE PLACED BEHIND THE BUILDING OR BEHIND THE FRONT FACE OF THE BUILDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO BY NO MEANS AM I PICKING ON THIS ONE BUSINESS, BUT AT THIS BUSINESS IT'S NOT TEMPORARY. AND THERE, AND THERE WOULDN'T BE A WAY BECAUSE OF, OF HOW THIS BUSINESS IS PROPERTIES ALIGNED. THERE'S, THERE'S THE BACK OF THE BUILDING IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO THE FENCING LOOKS LIKE THIS. SO, UM, AND THERE'S NO FRONT OF THE BUILDING, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING'S ON MAIN STREET, AND IT, IT, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF, UM, EASEMENT FROM THE STREET TO THE BUILDING. SO, SO THAT WOULD BE A VERY, UH, GOOD LOCATION TO GO LOOK AT WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW TO WRITE THE ORDINANCE. OKAY, I WROTE IT DOWN. OR THE CODE, EXCUSE ME, NOT THE ORDINANCE. AND THEN MY QUESTION WOULD BE, LET'S CONSIDER ZONING WHAT THAT PROPERTY IS ZONED AS AND MAYBE NOT ALLOW THAT ZONING, NOT ALLOW THIS IN THAT ZONING IF IT'S BACKED UP TO A NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S AN EYE SORT OF, SO I DON'T WANNA GET ON PICKING ON THE PROPERTY, BUT I WILL SAY THAT THAT PARTICULAR OF COMMERCIAL, THERE'S, YEAH, THERE'S, I THINK THEIR BUSINESS SHOULD DEFINITELY BE ALLOWED AND DON'T WANT THAT TO GO AWAY AT ALL. I JUST, NO, IF WE'RE GONNA WRITE IN FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, STORAGE CONTAINER SPECIFICALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM COVERED OR WE DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT 'EM. YEAH. AND AND I'M NOT SAYING TO WRITE IT OUT SO THAT THE BUSINESS IS NOT THERE. OH, YES SIR. BUT WE HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF COMMERCIAL ZONING MM-HMM . AND WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER IN THE AREA THE AREAS THAT THOSE ARE IN. YOU KNOW, AND THIS MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL ARE LOOKING FOR RIGHT NOW, BUT IF YOU NOTICE IN THIS PICTURE, THOSE ARE SITTING ON THE GRASS. UM, AND I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT IN THE PAST ABOUT THINGS, WHETHER IT'S PARKED IN THE GRASS OR ON CONCRETE. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT PREVIOUSLY IS THAT WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE ANYTHING IN OUR CODE ABOUT PARKING, UM, IN COMMER ON COMMERCIAL ZONED AREAS, PARKING ON THE GRASS. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WOULD TIE INTO THAT, BUT ARE WE GONNA REQUIRE IT TO BE ON GRASS OR ON CONCRETE OR ON SOME KIND OF DIFFERENT SUBSTRATE? I DON'T, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE? I, I DON'T, LET ME ASK IF, GO AHEAD. YEAH, SHE WAS NICE. I HAVE THE FLOOR. SORRY. NO, NO, NO. I WAS, UM, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS ONE. AND, AND I, LIKE YOU, I'M TRYING TO AVOID TO, TO PICK ON THE BUSINESS, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE JUST ON THE GRASS AND, UM, IF THERE ARE PERMANENT STRUCTURE TO THE BUSINESS, I'D, I'D KIND OF LIKE TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND UM, WHAT THEY HAVE IN THERE. UM, BECAUSE I WAS HOPING THAT STORAGE CONTAINERS THAT, UM, WOULD BE TEMPORARY, UM, IF THEY'RE THIS VISIBLE. UM, AND ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE BACKED UP INTO A RESIDENTIAL, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS VARIANCES, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE NEEDS OF THE BUSINESS AND, AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE FOOTPRINT DOESN'T ALLOW THEM ADDITIONAL STORAGE AND STUFF MOVES OUT PRETTY QUICKLY. I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S TOO MANY VARIABLES OUT THERE TO REALLY DEFINE, BUT I, I AM JUST NOT SURE IF I WOULD REALLY LIKE THEM TO BE STRAIGHT ON THE GRASS. UM, SO YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT HELPS OR NOT, BUT I HAVE A VI A VISUAL OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT TO SHOW COUNSEL, UM, IN YOU. BUT I, I WOULD LIKE THE GLASSES AROUND JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW EXACTLY. BECAUSE IT MIGHT GIVE YOU MORE INSIGHT INTO WHAT YOU WOULD GO FROM ME. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . OKAY. YOU'LL SEE IT. I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT. YEAH. I WANT YOU, IT'S RIGHT. THAT'S A CURRENT, JUST PASS IT DOWN. THEY'LL LOOKING IT UP. LOOK AT EAST GOLF AND MAIN, ONE THING I CAN SAY, JUST BY EXAMPLE OF THIS PICTURE, SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT'S NOT HERE IS MAYBE, UH, OUTSIDE NATURAL BARRIER OF LANDSCAPING. SO AS THAT, IF THAT'S THERE, THAT'LL EXTEND THE UNIFICATION OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY AND THEY'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING THE LANDSCAPING TO A CERTAIN STANDARD. MM-HMM . SO, [00:20:01] YOU KNOW, FENCING ALONG WITH SHRUBBERY, UH, SOMETHING TO, YOU KNOW, SITUATE THE, THE PROPERTY WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE OUTSIDE EYE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE AN EYESORE, AND MAKE SURE, MAKE SURE THE SHRUBBERY IS MAINTAINED. RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. LET, LET ME ASK YOU A FOLLOW UP QUESTION. UM, BASED ON THE CONCERNS OF A STORAGE CONTAINER BEING PLACED ON GRASS, IT SOUNDS LIKE I HEARD THE PREFERENCE IS FOR IT TO BE PLACED ON A HARD SURFACE. WHAT IF IT WAS CRUSHED GRAVEL? WOULD THAT BE A CONCERN? WELL, KINDA, MY, MY CONCERN WITH THE IMPERVIOUS IS JUST 'CAUSE A LOT OF TIMES YOU'RE LIKE, IF SOMEONE'S STORING THAT AS A TEMPORARY, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOME TYPE OF, BE IT CHEMICALS OR WHATEVER THAT THEY MAY STORE IN THERE, THE PAINTER, THE, THE, THE INSULATOR, WHATEVER, WHOEVER, WHATEVER PART OF THE PROJECT THEY'RE DOING. AND SOME OF THOSE CONTAINERS, TO BE HONEST, HAVE HOLES IN THEM, . SO IF IT LEAKS OUT, IT'S GONNA LEAK INTO THE, INTO OUR GROUNDWATER. SO THAT'S THE CONCERN OF BEING ON PERVY ON IMPERVIOUS VERSUS PERVIOUS. SO I'D LIKE TO BE AN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, WHATEVER'S BEING STORED. WOULDN'T THEY BE INSIDE THE METAL CONTAINER? YEAH, BUT THE CONTAINER HAS HOLES IN IT IN THE BOTTOM. OH, THE CONTAINER. YEAH. THEY, THEY, THEY RUST OUT. THEY, THEY LEAVE OIL, DRUMS LEAK DELIBERATELY. SO I HAVE A COMMENT. UM, THIS IS USING THE ROLL OFF CONTAINERS OR, OR IN A COMMERCIAL AREA, WHETHER, AND AGAIN, AS MY COLLEAGUE SAID, TEMPORARY COULD BE, IT'S TEMPORARY FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS, BUT, SO TEMPORARY IS HARD TO DEFINE, BUT WHAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE OF THESE? AND THE ONES AT WALMART? I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE TEMPORARY, BUT THEY'RE CONTAINERS THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM THE ROADWAY AND THERE'S NO SCREENING OR WHATEVER. SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL MM-HMM . ABOUT HOW WE DESIGN THAT. UM, SO WHAT'S TEMPORARY? YEAH. AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE, WELL, WALMART JUST HAPPENED THERE FOR A FEW MONTHS. YEAH. ABOUT FIVE TO SIX MONTHS AT A POP, YOU KNOW, FROM ABOUT JUST BEFORE THANKSGIVING ALL THE WAY THROUGH DECEMBER, JANUARY-ISH. SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THERE FOR SEVERAL MONTHS. SO TEMPORARY IS SUBJECTIVE. UM, BUT IF, BUT IF, AGAIN, MY POSITION WITH CONTAINERS IS IF THEY WOULD, IN THIS PICTURE, IF THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BUILD A STORAGE SHED AND STORE THE MATERIAL IN IT, WHY CAN'T THEY USE THE CONTAINERS? THAT'S MY POSITION. IF WE'RE GONNA SAY NO CONTAINERS, ARE WE SAYING NO STORAGE SHEDS DON'T STORAGE SHEDS HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC ? WELL, THEY GOT, THEY HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN SETBACKS AND STUFF LIKE, AND I THINK THAT THE CONTAINERS SHOULD COMPLY WITH ANY SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. I LIKE THE IDEA OF IMPERVIOUS SOIL AS FAR AS CONCRETE, IF YOU WILL, OR AT, NOT NECESSARILY CONCRETE, BUT IMPERVIOUS SOIL. SO THEY'RE PARKED ON HARD SURFACE. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT, BUT, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE PICKING ON THE CONTAINERS AND THEY, THEY ARE JUST SIMPLY VERY CHEAP, WELL-BUILT, HEAVY DUTY STORAGE SHEDS IS WHAT THEY ARE. I MEAN, SO COULD IT GO AS, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A GOOD ANALOGY AS FAR AS LIKE WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WALMART, COULD SOMETHING BE WRITTEN IN ABOUT IF IT BACKS UP TO A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY? THERE COULD BE REQUIRES SCREENING IF IT BACKS UP TO RESIDENTIAL. I DON'T MIND SCREENING LIKE, LIKE THE NATURAL BUFFER SCREENING AT AING BARRIER. I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE. THE ISSUE IS THE CONTAINERS ARE SIMPLY JUST A A AN EIGHT BY EIGHT BY 10 20 OR 40 FOOT STORAGE SHED THAT'S SECURE AND LOCKABLE. OKAY. BECAUSE WALMART IS IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND IT'S ON A ROAD THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE'S, MORE COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, WELL SCREENING TO WHEN IT BACKS UP TO RESIDENTIAL I THINK IS A REASONABLE REQUIREMENT THAT WAY. BUT AGAIN, WE ONLY ALLOW SIX OR EIGHT FOOT FENCING ANYWAY. SO WOULD THE TEMPORARY PODS THAT PEOPLE, UM, STORE THINGS IN WHEN THEY'RE MOVING, UM, AND SOMETIMES THEY TAKE A WEEK OR TWO TO PICK UP, DEPENDING ON YOUR RHYTHM. WOULD THOSE FALL INTO WHATEVER? NO, THOSE ARE CONTAINED. THEY WOULD NOT FALL INTO THIS CONVERSATION. THOSE PODS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT. WAS ASKING AND WITH A PLACEMENT. HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE RESIDENTIAL, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A TRANSITION FROM COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO RESIDENTIAL, TYPICALLY THE CODE CALLS OUT A SCREENING OR BUFFER REQUIREMENT. SO IF A CONTAINER WAS ON A PROPERTY THAT SEPARATES A COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL, THERE'S TYPICALLY A SCREENING REQUIREMENT THAT'S REDUCES THE VISIBILITY OF THAT. SO DEFINITELY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AND THAT WE CAN MOST DEFINITELY ADD IN AS WELL IF IT ADDS ANY MORE CLARITY. AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF A NATURAL BUFFER [00:25:01] IF POSSIBLE. I THINK IN NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT WOULD, THAT'S PART OF THE CODE ANYWAY. YEAH. BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF OLDER PARTS OF TOWN, OUR THREE DISTRICTS THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL AREAS THAT WERE DEVELOPED WITH RESIDENTIAL RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET OR RIGHT BEHIND IT THAT THOSE CODES DON'T APPLY TO. SO I THINK ADDING BACK IN, IF THEY WANT TO HAVE THIS, YOU GOTTA PUT A SCREENING. I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S AGAIN A REASONABLE ISSUE. SO, SO KIND ADDRESS, UM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER LESSER'S COMMENT, UM, I I, I WANNA JUST KINDA GET A QUICK, UM, THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN ON, BECAUSE IT, IT MIGHT HELP SAVE SOME OF THE TIME ON SOME OF THESE OTHER CONVERSATIONS. HIS COMMENT WAS, IF YOU ALLOW A METAL SHED SHOULD THIS ALSO JUST, IT'S THE SAME THING. SHOULD WE ALLOW THIS WITH THE SAME REGULATIONS THAT YOU WOULD IN METAL SHED? IS EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT ON THAT? JUST HEAD NODS OR SHAKES? I DON'T, I I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD WANT TO SEE THESE IN PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS. SO AGAIN, IF METAL, IF IT'S REQUIRED TO BE IN THE BACKYARD AND THEY HAVE A FENCE AND YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT, MAYBE YOU CAN SEE THE TOP OF IT A LITTLE BIT, WHICH YOU COULD HAVE SHED. SO I, I'M TRYING TO BE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE 'CAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A, A PREFERENCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT I DO HEAR WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER LESSER IS SAYING, HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT FROM A METAL SHED? I THINK IT, I THINK IF IT'S OVER AN ACRE OR A HALF ACRE, I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ONE OF THESE IN, IN A, IN A NORMAL RESIDENTIAL AREA. YEAH. 90, I CAN SEE THAT 90% OF THE RESIDENTIAL LOCATIONS IN THIS CITY, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET EIGHT FOOT WIDE, 10 FOOT LONG, EIGHT FOOT TALL, THE YARD CONTAINER BACK THERE. 'CAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE SIX FOOT SIDE YARDS OR LESS. OKAY. SO THAT PRECLUDES THEM RIGHT OFF THE BAT. I GOT, IF YOU'VE GOT A YARD OR A LOT SIZE BIG ENOUGH TO GET THIS THING IN YOUR BACKYARD, YOU'RE TYPICALLY GONNA HAVE A PRIVACY FENCE. AND SO YEAH, IT STICKS UP A COUPLE FEET ABOVE THAT. BUT AGAIN, WHAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE? SO AS LONG AS IT MEETS SETBACKS AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS THERE, THERE COULD BE SOME OTHER, WHILE WE CAN'T REALLY REGULATE BUILDING MATERIALS ANYMORE, WE CAN REQUIRE CERTAIN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OR THINGS LIKE THAT. WE'RE SORT OF GOING ROUNDABOUT WAY WE CAN REGULATE THAT. AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA KIND OF SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT. SO I WAS TRYING TO GET JUST A GENERAL FEEL, BUT MAYBE IF WE SHOW YOU SOME MORE OF THESE PICTURES, IT MIGHT KIND OF HELP FRAME THAT A LITTLE BIT. SO I'LL, I'LL STEP BACK AND STOP INTERRUPTING CALVIN FOR MINUTE . SO ARE WE GOOD WITH MOVING ON FROM THIS SLIDE? YES SIR. ALRIGHT. THE NEXT SLIDE YOU SEE HERE, THIS IS, UH, THESE ARE CONTAINERS THAT ARE LOCATED IN EAST DOWNTOWN HOUSTON. YES. ALONG NAVIGATION BOULEVARD. WHAT YOU SEE IN THE MIDDLE RIGHT SLIDE, THAT'S THE ENTRANCE TO THE, THE GATEWAY TO THE EAST DOWNTOWN FOOD AREA. UH, YOU SEE THE OUTDOOR SEATING, YOU SEE THE SHRUBBERY, THE GATEWAY ATIC TO THE ENTRYWAY AND TO THE, THE SLIDES. BOTH SLIDES TO THE LEFT, WHICH YOU SEE IS SOME ARTISTIC PAINTINGS ON CONTAINERS, UM, WITH SOME AWNINGS THAT IT CAUSES THE CONTAINER TO LOOK AS IF IT CAN BE SLID OUT AND OR REPLACED. UH, THESE CONTAINERS ACT AS, UH, IMMOBILE FOOD TRUCKS. UM, PEOPLE WALK UP TO THEM, UH, PURCHASE THEIR FOOD ITEMS AND THEN SIT INTO THE OUTDOOR SEATING ELEMENT, WHICH INVITES A LOT OF WALKABILITY. IT INVITES A SENSE OF COMMUNITY INTO THE AREA AND IT'S A GREAT GATHERING AREA. UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, LOOKING AT THESE SLIDES AND TAKING CONSIDERATION, IF A BOULEVARD STYLE MAY BE AVAILABLE, MAY NOT, UM, WOULD THE THOUGHT OR INTENT OF ALLOWING MORE OF A LARGER CONTAINER FOOD CENTER, UH, BE A CONSIDERATION? SO WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS DESIGN? OR EVEN INCLUDING IT AGAIN TO SAY YOU HAVE A LARGER PARCEL THAT'S DEDICATED, THAT YOU HAVE, UH, THESE STORAGE CONTAINERS THAT SERVE FOOD WITH THE, UH, COMMUNAL SEATING AREA SHADED OR WHATNOT, WHERE PEOPLE COME TO FOR EVENTS OR JUST FOR EATING AND JUST GETTING TOGETHER. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THESE SLIDES HERE? ARE Y'ALL REFERENCING THIS WITH A CERTAIN AREA OF TOWN IN MIND? JUST IN GENERAL? JUST IN GENERAL. I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THIS. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE BUILD OUT ON THE INSIDE, I'M SURE STILL GONNA HAVE SOME OVERSIGHT. I MEAN, PERMITTING AND, AND WHATNOT TO BE A FUNCTIONING RESTAURANT. BUT USING THE CONTAINER ITSELF, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT. NO FOOD SERVICE FOR ME. [00:30:02] AND, AND I WOULDN'T LIMIT IT JUST TO THE FOOD SERVICE OPERATIONS. WHAT IF IT WANTED TO BE MM-HMM . LIKE ONE OF THE LITTLE JEWELRY, YOU KNOW, USED TO SEE IN THE MALL, A LITTLE KIOSK. WHAT IF IT WANTED JUST TO SET UP A LITTLE KIOSK FOR JEWELRY OR, OR A COM? IT IT'S A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS. YEAH. SO, AND, AND I'VE BEEN DOWN THERE AND ACTUALLY ONE OF THOSE IS SET UP LIKE THIS. THAT'S VERY NICE. ONE OF 'EM IS SET UP AS A, UH, JEWELRY BUSINESS IN CADET. YEAH. SO, SO IF IT'S COMMERCIAL RELATED, 'CAUSE AGAIN, LIKE COLLEAGUE SAID, THE BUILD OUT, Y'ALL ARE GONNA REGULATE AS FAR AS MAKE SURE IT'S WIRED PROPERLY, PLUMB PROPERLY, ALL THAT OTHER FUN STUFF. IT'S, IT'S JUST THESE CONTAINERS ARE JUST STRUCTURAL CHESS PIECES OR, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST LEGOS, LINCOLN LOGS, LEGOS. YEAH. SO LEGOS. SO, UH, SO IT'S NEAT TO SEE THAT THEY COULD USE IT POTENTIALLY IN OTHER MEANS OTHER THAN JUST STRAIGHT STORAGE. AND TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING REGS HERE. YEAH. BUILDING REGULATIONS, HEALTH CODE REGULATIONS, THOSE WILL ALL APPLY, BE HANDLED SEPARATELY AND ALREADY ARE. SO THIS IS JUST TALKING ABOUT WHERE THEY CAN GO AND WHAT THEY CAN WITH. YEAH. WHAT, WHAT IF SOMEBODY, WHAT IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO STACK TWO OF THOSE TO BUILD A BUSINESS OR THREE? THAT'S ON THE NEXT SLIDE. OH YEAH, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TO ONE OF THOSE BEFORE. WAIT. ALRIGHT, NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A, I THINK IT'S THE DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA. SANGER, TEXAS. THIS IS A CONTAINER COMMERCIAL AREA IN WHICH WHAT YOU SEE, UM, THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, UM, YOU SEE TWO CONTAINERS STUCK, STACKED DOUBLE HIGH. UH, YOU HAVE SLIDING DOORS ON THE LEFT SIDE, WHICH APPEARS TO BE THE BARBERSHOP. YOU SEE A MORE OF A SYMMETRICAL DESIGN WITH THE WINDOWS. UH, IT LOOKED LIKE THEY MAY EVEN BE VINYL CLADDED WINDOWS. UM, SO YOU SEE MORE OF THAT SYMMETRICAL DESIGN, UH, THE LOWER SECTION AS THE CONTAINER, UH, BEING IN THE HORIZONTAL, I GUESS THIS WOULD BE MORE OF THE EAST WEST, THE TOP NORTH SOUTH WITH AWNINGS PROTRUDING FROM IT, UH, TO GIVE IT SOME, UH, PROJECTION OR ARTICULATION TO THIS. UM, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT. AND AS YOU CAN SEE ALSO THE TOP IS ACTUALLY THE REAR DOORS OF THE CONTAINER. SO, AND THEN THE TOP WITH THE SIGNING MAYBE A LITTLE MUCH, BUT THEN YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE YOU SEE THE STAIRWELL, THE METAL STAIRWELL ALLOWING ACCESS TO THE UPPER AREA. SO THIS HOLISTICALLY, SORRY, DIDN'T MEAN TO GO THAT WAY. THIS ONE HOLISTICALLY IS AN OVERALL CONTAINER DEVELOPMENT AREA USING THE CONTAINERS THEMSELVES AS THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS BEING PART OF BAYTOWN? I WOULD SAY I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT, BUT I WOULDN'T WANNA SEE ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON SAN JACINTO. GARTH OR NORTH MAIN. WE'RE GOING WEST TEXAS. THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. WITH THAT, I, I'D BE OKAY WITH THAT. THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING, DID Y'ALL HAVE A CERTAIN AREA OF TOWN IN MIND WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS? BECAUSE NOT THIS ON GARTH. NO, BUT WEST TEXAS, I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT AREA, I THINK THAT'D BE OKAY. I MEAN IT'S, I, I'D BE FINE WITH IT. ANYWHERE IN SANGER IS NORTHWEST OF DALLAS. MM-HMM . UP 35. YEAH. THIS IS, I DON'T KNOW IF I WANNA SEE ANY MORE STORAGE CONTAINERS THEMSELVES. , BUT THAT'S, WE HAVE SO MANY THAT'S PRETTY UNIQUE LOOKING. NO, LIKE THE STORAGE, LIKE FOR ACTUAL STORAGE SINCE WE HAVE SO MANY STORIES. BUT I LIKE THEM FOR THE IDEA EMBRACING OUR SURROUNDINGS BUSINESSES. THIS IS EMBRACING OUR, HMM. YES. AS LONG AS THEY ARE UP TO CODE WITH WHATEVER WE DECIDE. I DON'T CARE WHERE IN BAYTOWN THEY PUT 'EM, THEY, SOMEONE PUT SOME STUFF LIKE THIS AROUND TOWN. I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT. YEAH. I'VE SEEN SOME REALLY BIG PARKS, UM, IN NEVADA AND CALIFORNIA THAT ARE LIKE THIS. AND THEY'RE REALLY FUN. THE LIGHTING PEOPLE DO SOME REALLY NEAT THINGS WITH RECYCLABLE, UM, ART. AND, UM, IT'D BE NEAT TO SEE. I LIKE IT. I MEAN, WE GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT TRUCKS AND SHIPPING CONTAINERS, BUT , THIS IS KIND OF EMBRACING IT, YOU KNOW? YEAH. AND, AND MAKING SOMETHING GOOD OUT OF IT. SO I LIKE IT. I WAS ABOUT TO SAY SOMETHING SIMILAR. I WAS ABOUT TO SAY SOMETHING SIMILAR. YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF WHO WE ARE AS A CITY, KIND OF AN INDUSTRIAL CITY IN A BUILDING LIKE THIS KIND OF EMBRACES OUR, YOU KNOW, AS TO THE CHARACTER. SO, AND IN THE RIGHT SETTING IT, IT COULD, IT COULD BE A NICE TOUCH IN CERTAIN AREAS. MAYBE THEY SHOULD HAVE THESE ALL DOWN GARTH ROAD WITH A [00:35:01] BIG PIPE STICKING OUT OF THEM. DID YOU SAY GARTH? YOU SAY? WELL, YEAH. AND THE THING IS IT CUTS DOWN BUILDING COST, WHICH IS GONNA, WHICH IS WHICH BRINGS PEOPLE THERE. THAT'S THE BIG THING. IT'LL CUT, IT'LL CUT DOWN BUILDING COSTS FOR SOME I KNOW YOU ARE. I KNOW YOU ARE. WHICH MAKES IT MORE APPEA APPEALING. ALL RIGHTY. OVER BY EACH POINT. OVER BY EACH POINT. YES MA'AM. . OH LORD HAVE MERCY. UM, THE PODS, I'VE NEVER USED ONE. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS ONE. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A STORAGE CONTAINER AND THE PODS THAT PEOPLE TRANSPORT THINGS IN PODS ARE SMALLER. THEY ARE STRICTLY TEMPORARY. UH, THE PLACEMENT OF PODS, UM, AND PODS ARE USUALLY A PACK AND GO. SO WHEN PACKS THEM, MOVES THEM TO ANOTHER AREA, MOVES THEM TO A STORAGE FACILITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY'RE TRULY SHORT TERM. UM, AND TYPICALLY THEY'RE NOT THE SIZE OF THE TYPICAL STORAGE CONTAINER. SO THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THEY MAY BE SMALLER, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, DOES IT FIT THE DEFINITION OF A STORAGE CONTAINER? I I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DROP A POD IN YOUR DRIVEWAY AND WE'RE NOT GONNA HARASS YOU ABOUT IT. UM, BECAUSE THEY ARE, AGAIN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MEANT TO BE TEMPORARY. SO I'VE USED THEM BEFORE UHHUH AND IT'S SAT IN MY DRIVEWAY FOR THREE DAYS. I'VE SEEN 'EM SIT THERE FOR UP TO 30 UHHUH . AND IF THEY SIT THERE FOR LONGER THAN 30, THEN WE MAY GO ASK YOU A QUESTION OR TWO, SAY, HEY, THIS IS NO LONGER BEING TREATED. SO YEAH, GENERALLY AS CALVIN SAID, THEY'RE, THEY'RE USUALLY SMALLER, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE. UHHUH AS MUCH AS IT IS YOU'VE GOT THIS BIG METAL BOX IN YOUR DRIVEWAY. YES. AND WE'RE GONNA BE OKAY WITH THAT FOR A LITTLE WHILE. 'CAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO BE REASONABLE. BUT BEYOND THAT, THAT'S A BIG METAL EYESORE IN YOUR DRIVEWAY AND YOU NEED TO GET RID OF IT. SO, SO IF SOMEONE, THIS, THIS WOULDN'T MEAN ANY DIFFERENT THAN THAT. SO IF SOMEONE TOOK ONE OF THESE AND SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT TO USE A POD, THEY WANTED TO USE A STORAGE CONTAINER, IT WOULD BE THERE FOR FOUR DAYS. WOULD WE BE OKAY WITH, IS THAT ALLOWED UNDER ALL A CODE? THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A POD AND THAT? BECAUSE THE ONLY PODS I'VE SEEN THAT ARE PAINTED WHITE WITH POD WRITTEN ON IT. WHAT IF SOMEBODY TOOK ONE OF THESE SPRAY PAINTED AND WHITE AND PUT POD ON IT? I'M, I'M JUST SAYING WELL, THE PODS ARE TYPICALLY EIGHT BY 10. AND SO IT'S NOTHING MORE THAN A 10 FOOT CONTAINER. YES. A LOT OF TIMES WHAT'S PEOPLE REFER TO CONTAINERS ARE THE 20 OR 40 FOOTERS, BUT THEY COME IN 10, 20 AND 40 FOOT LENGTHS. THE POS DO NO CONTAINERS. THE CONTAINERS. OKAY. SO, BUT YEAH, IF YOU COULD PUT A CONTAINER IN YOUR DRIVEWAY AND LOAD IT UP, YOU'RE MOVING OUT. IF IT'S THERE FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, I THINK IT'S THE SAME AS A POD. POD IS JUST A, A BUSINESS. YEAH. YEAH. SO, BUT I'M ASKING OR DOES THE CODE ALLOW THAT? IF SOMEONE WERE TO DO THAT, WOULD THEY BE CITED FOR IT SINCE? 'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, I DID NOT KNOW THAT IT WAS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. WHEN I SEE A POD, I SEE A STORAGE CONTAINER IN MY MIND. SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LESS ABOUT THE BOX. OKAY. AND MORE ABOUT WHERE YOU CAN PUT IT AND HOW LONG YOU CAN KEEP IT AND THE USE. OKAY. SO THINK OF IT THAT WAY. DON'T THINK OF IT SO MUCH ABOUT, IT'S EITHER A SHIPPING CONTAINER OR A POD. YEAH, THEY'RE BASICALLY THE SAME THING. ONE MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING THAN THE OTHER MAYBE. UM, BUT NO, I THINK IF SOMEONE HAD IT IN THEIR DRIVEWAY FOR A LITTLE BIT, IF A NEIGHBOR CALLED AND COMPLAINED, WE'D GO OUT AND ASK THE QUESTION. WE'RE LIKE, NO, WE'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE THAT THERE FOR A WEEK. OKAY, FINE. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET 'EM TO MOVE IN A WEEK WEEK ANYWAY. SO WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA LAY BACK AND SAY, OKAY, GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF IT. OKAY. DO WHAT YOU GOTTA DO. UM, I HAD A A 30 FOOT, UM, MOVING TRAILER IN MY, IT WAS A JUST BASICALLY, UH, THE BACK END OF A SEMI IN MY DRIVEWAY, BUT IT WAS ONLY THERE FOR THREE DAYS. SO, YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT YOU'VE GOT IT LOADED, YOU GET IT OUT OF THERE. THAT'S THE, THE PURPOSE OF THOSE. THEY'RE NOT MEANT TO SIT THERE. WHEN WE ARE TALKING SHIPPING CONTAINERS, WE'RE TALKING STUFF THAT EVEN ON A TEMPORARY BASIC BASIS, LIKE IT'S CONNECTED TO A BUILDING PERMIT OR IT, OR IT'S GONNA BE PERMANENT AND WE, WE JUST ASSUME IT'S PERMANENT. SO IF IT'S GONNA BE PERMANENT, THEN WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE THAT OKAY? OR WE JUST SAY, NO, THOSE AREN'T A ALLOWED. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT. DOES THAT HELP A LITTLE? WELL, SO, SO BECAUSE I'LL KINDA GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE ON COUNTRY CLUB VIEW. THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN THAT WAS DOING THE REMODEL OF THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE AND HE HAD A POD THERE FOR LIKE FIVE MONTHS. OH REALLY? YEAH. 'CAUSE HE PUT EVERYTHING INSIDE THE POD WHILE THEY REMODELED HIS HOUSE. SO THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE WE NEED TO SAY, HEY, 30 DAYS GOTTA GET OUT. WELL, WELL, SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE A POLICY, WE HAVE AN INTERNAL POLICY THAT WE, THAT WE GO BY WHERE WE DO ALLOW STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT IT'S CONNECTED TO THE PERMIT. IF YOU QUIT WORKING OR IF THE PERMIT EXPIRES AND NOTHING AND YOU HAVEN'T FINISHED YET, THEN WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU THOSE QUESTIONS AND SAY, OKAY, IF YOU'RE NOT DONE, THEN YOU NEED TO COMMENCE WORKING. IF NOT, YOU NEED TO GET THAT OUTTA HERE. SO WE DO, UH, WE DO FOLLOW UP ON THOSE IN TERMS OF CODE ENFORCEMENT. GOOD DEAL. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, MOVING TO THE NEXT SLIDE. [00:40:02] THIS SLIDE THAT YOU SEE HERE IS FOR ALLOWING THE CONVERSATION WE HAD EARLIER, UH, THE STORAGE CONTAINERS IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. UM, SO WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS LOOKING AT THESE PICTURES? UM, OF COURSE ALL OF THESE ARE BETTER PICTURES. WE KNOW OVER TIME STORAGE CONTAINERS CAN WEATHER IF THEY'RE NOT MAINTAINED. UM, WE HAVE ONE SLIDE WHERE YOU SEE, UM, A, A CONTAINER THAT HAS A LOT OF VEGETABLES AND FLOWERS, MAKING IT MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. UH, WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE JUST IN THE OPEN LOT. UH, AND THEN ANOTHER ONE JUST ON THE GROUND. UH, I THINK WE HAD A CONVERSATION EARLIER WHERE WHEN WE WERE IDENTIFYING, UH, STORAGE CONTAINERS IN COMMERCIAL AREAS THAT YOU WOULD PREFER IF THEY WERE ON A HARD SURFACE. IF WE WERE, IF THESE WERE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, IS THAT THE SAME THING YOU WOULD LOOK FOR FOR THOSE CONTAINERS TO BE ON A HARD SURFACE ON A PAD? OR WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? I, I'LL JUMP IN IF YOU DON'T MIND, MARY. YEAH, YEAH. I'M GONNA JUMP IN THERE. I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM BEING IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. I THINK THEY SHOULD BE BEHIND, AGAIN, THE CONCERN IS IN THE FRONT YARDS. I THINK THEY SHOULD BE BEHIND THE FRONT BUILDING LINE SIMILAR TO OUR PARKING CODE. UM, AND THEN IF THERE'S SETBACKS, LIKE IF THERE'S A REAR SETBACK OR SIDE SETBACK, I THINK THEY SHOULD COMPLY WITH THOSE JUST AS IF IT'S A STORAGE BUILDING. UM, ON A RESIDENTIAL SIDE, I'M NOT SO CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPERVIOUS SOIL PAD. UM, AGAIN, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND SO I'M NOT THAT CONCERNED ABOUT IT. BUT YEAH, DEFINITELY BEHIND THE FRONT BUILDING LINE. AND IF THERE'S ANY SIDE OR REAR SETBACKS, THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT. UM, AND AGAIN, 90% OF OUR RESIDENTIAL LOTS ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET ONE OF THESE IN THERE ANYWAY. THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST, IT IS JUST NOT ENOUGH ROOM. AND I'M GONNA BE A LITTLE DEVIL THAT IF YOU HAD A, IF YOU HAD A CORNER LOT, YOU COULD GET IT BACK THERE. OH. SO I, I THINK YOU KIND OF MAYBE HAVE TO MAYBE HALF ACRE AND UP OR THREE QUARTERS AN ACRE AND, UH, YOU COULD PUT A CONTAINER BACK THERE. 'CAUSE YOU'RE, MOST OF OUR LOTS IN THESE SUBDIVISIONS ARE NOT GONNA BE UNDER HALF ACRE OR OVER A HALF AN ACRE. BUT IF, BUT IF YOU CAN GET IT BACK THERE, GET IT BACK THERE AND WHAT DIFFERENCE WOULD IT MAKE? WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE THRESHOLD AT THAT POINT? HALF ACRE ACREAGE I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT. IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE THE ROOM TO GET IT BACK THERE, WHY NOT ALLOW IT AGAIN, IF THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BUILD THE LITTLE STORAGE SHED YOU GET FROM SOME OF OUR HOME PLACES AROUND TOWN, WHY CAN'T THEY HAVE ONE OF THESE? IT'S MUCH MORE STRUCTURALLY SOUND AND WOULD LAST A LOT LONGER. HOW WOULD THAT WORK IF SOMEONE JUST OWNED A LOT AND THERE WAS NO OTHER STRUCTURE ON IT IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA? WELL, IF IT, IF SOMEONE OWNED A LOT AND THERE WAS NO STRUCTURE, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO USE THIS STORAGE CONTAINER AS AN ACCESSORY USE. 'CAUSE THE PRIMARY USE IS WOULD BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. SO THEY WOULD NEED THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOME TO BE ON THAT LOT BEFORE THEY CAN HAVE THE STORAGE CONTAINER AS AN ACCESSORY USE OR, OR JET OR, YEAH. STORAGE JET. SO HY HYPOTHETICALLY, A HOME BURNS DOWN THE LOT IS EMPTY, IT'S ON THE CORNER, AND THEY WANNA PUT ONE OF THESE BEHIND THE FENCE THAT ALREADY EXISTS AND THEY CAN GET IT BACK THERE. IT STILL WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED UNTIL THE SINGLE RESIDENTIAL HOME HAS BEEN REESTABLISHED. YEAH, THAT'S THE SAME REQUIREMENT FOR, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT A STORAGE SHED THERE. THAT'S RIGHT. SO AGAIN, THE SAME RULES WOULD APPLY. YOU SAID THE PICTURE, I COULD THINK OF SO MANY EXAMPLES. YOU JUST LIKE, OH YEAH, THERE'S A LOT THAT, YEAH. YOU SAID THE PICTURE ON THE TOP LEFT IS AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. WELL, I MEAN, IF YOU IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER ONES THAT HAVE NO PLANTAINS OR BUFFERING AROUND THEM, I LIKE, I DON'T HAVE A GREEN THUMB. I HAVE A BROWN THUMB, BUT I LIKE TOMATOES AND THAT'S AROUND IT MAKES IT LOOK BETTER THAN WITHOUT IT. NO, THAT'S A STRETCH. . I SEE SOME BAD, I'VE SEEN SOME BAD SHEDS. WELL, WE'RE STORING OUR MOTHER-IN-LAW THERE. LIKE YOU WOULD PUT YOUR MOTHER, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER SLIDE. IS THAT ANOTHER SLIDE? THAT'S ANOTHER SLIDE. MOTHER-IN-LAW OR MY MOTHER. SO WE'RE GOOD WITH THIS ONE. YEAH, SHE'S AT THAT ONE WITH ALL THE GREENERY. ALL RIGHT. PUT A WINDOW. I SEE. ALRIGHT, I'M, I'M GONNA SPEED UP AND GO THROUGH THESE NEXT SLIDES. UH, THIS SLIDE IS WHAT WE ARE IDENTIFYING AGAIN, IF THESE, IF THESE STORAGE CONTAINERS WERE USED AS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT TO A PRIMARY STRUCTURE, MEANING YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME THERE FIRST, THEN ALLOWING A STORAGE CONTAINER AS AN A DU. HOWEVER, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE, YOU SEE [00:45:01] THE, THE SEPARATION OF THE SPACES OR THE ARTICULATION. THEN YOU SEE THE SLIDING DOORS, YOU SEE THE WINDOWS AT THE TOP. AND ON THE SIDE YOU SEE THE CHANGING IN THE HORIZONTAL SIDING VERSUS THE VERTICAL SIDING. UH, YOU ALSO SEE THERE'S A SLIGHT PITCH TO THE ROOF SO THAT IT ADDS SOME, UM, ARTICULATION AS WELL AS SOME SLOPE TO THE STRUCTURE, MAKING IT LOOK MORE THAN JUST A STORAGE CONTAINER. AND AS YOU SEE IN THE LOWER, UH, THE LOWER PORTION, YOU SEE AN A DU AS WELL. UH, THEY WENT OUT ALL OUT WITH THAT. I THINK THAT MAY BE A, UH, AI GENERATED IT, UH, IMAGE, HOWEVER. BUT THESE ARE, UH, SOMETHING ELSE THAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO CONSIDER AN IN-LAW SUITE, UH, ET CETERA. YES, SIR. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL RULES WE HAVE AROUND ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS NOW, BUT I, I WOULD SAY AS LONG AS THIS MEETS ALL OF THOSE EXISTING REQUIREMENTS THAT I'M ASSUMING WE HAVE MARTIN'S SHAKING HIS HEAD YEAH. THEN I'LL BE FINE WITH IT. DITTO. YEAH, IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID ORIGINALLY. IT'S ANOTHER BUILDING MATERIAL. MM-HMM . ALL RIGHT. UH, MOVING TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY, UM, A LITTLE DIFFERENT. UH, THIS IS, UH, UTILIZING STORAGE CONTAINERS AS THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, TOP LEFT HAND IS THREE STORAGE CONTAINERS STACKED SET BACK TO ADD SOME DEPTH. UH, YOU SEE THESE SYMMETRICAL WINDOWS AND COLORED DOORS. UM, YOU SEE ALSO THE HVAC SYSTEM, THE REAR PORCH AND THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER. THE MIDDLE RIGHT. YOU SEE THE STORAGE CONTAINERS USED IN MULTIPLE WAYS. THE STORAGE CONTAINERS ACTUALLY ADDED INTO, AND OVERALL STRUCTURE BLENDING IN. HOWEVER, THE SAME THING. YOU SEE THE DEPTH IN TERMS OF THE SETBACK, THE WINDOW PLACEMENT, THE SYMMETRY, UH, THE SLIGHT PORCH INTO THE FRONT YARD, AND THEN YOU SEE THE DETACHED GARAGE AS PART OF THE OVERALL STRUCTURE. AND THEN FINALLY, THE LOWER PORTION, WHICH IS EXISTING, I MEAN, IT'S A CONTAINER, UH, ONE STACK. HOWEVER, HAVING A ROOFTOP DESIGN TO IT, UH, YOU SEE THE SLIGHT PITCH OF THE ROOF ON THE FAR LEFT. UM, SO IT ADDS SOME MORE DEPTH ARTICULATION WITH DIFFERENT DESIGN MATERIALS, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T CANNOT REGULATE, REGULATE MATERIALS. BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW THEY USED DIFFERENT MATERIALS TO ADD SOME, UH, SEPARATION BETWEEN THE SPACES OF EACH DEVELOPMENT. UH, OTHER AREAS USE THIS. THEY ARE VERY CREATIVE IN HOW THEY REGULATE THEM. SO IS THIS SOMETHING YOU ARE OPEN TO? IF YOU ARE, WE OF COURSE WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH TO IDENTIFY THE REGULATIONS MOVING FORWARD. YES SIR. OF COURSE, WE LIVE HERE ON THE GULF COAST AND HURRICANES ARE A PART OF OUR LIVES. SO, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW DO THESE HOLD UP TO, TO HURRICANES? WOULD THEY BE RATED TO SUSTAIN A, A HURRICANE IF THEY WERE ALLOWED IN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN? THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE BUILDING CODE. SO WHATEVER A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WOULD BE REQUIRED TO, TO MEET THE BUILDING CODE, THESE WOULD HAVE TO AS WELL. YEAH. I'M, I'M GONNA ECHO WHAT CALVIN SAID. PLUS WE HAVE 150 MILE AN HOUR WIND SPEED REQUIREMENT. THESE WOULD'VE TO MEET THAT AS WELL. UM, UNTIL WE WOULD SEE SOMETHING THAT IS ENGINEERED AND HAS AN ENGINEER STAMP ON IT. THERE'S NO WAY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION OTHER THAN I THINK HOW CALVIN DID. I'M OPEN TO SEEING WHAT REGULATIONS WE WOULD PUT, BUT NOT MAKING A DECISION ON THIS ONE. YEAH. YEAH. I WANNA SEE THE REGULATIONS FOR SURE. YEAH. I, I LIKE THEM. AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S JUST ANOTHER MEANS OF CONSTRUCTION. AND THESE THINGS WOULD HAVE TO BE DESIGNED AND ENGINEERED. MM-HMM . SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN ENGINEER SIGN OFF THAT IT MEETS THE WIND SPEEDS JUST LIKE HOUSES. BUT I MEAN, THEY'RE HEAVY DUTY METAL WALLS PLUS THE INSTALLATION PLUS EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES ON THE INSIDE. SO AGAIN, I LOOK AROUND TOWN AND A LOT OF OUR HOMES ARE 50, 60, 70 YEARS OLD, MINE INCLUDED. THIS WOULD BE PROBABLY AS OR MORE STRUCTURALLY SOUND THAN MY HOUSE IN A STORM. BUT AGAIN, THESE THINGS, I'VE, I'VE SEEN THEM ANYWHERE FROM 600 SQUARE FEET TO 4,000 SQUARE FEET USING THESE CONTAINERS. AND THEY'RE ENGINEERED WITHOUT A DOUBT. YOU HAVE TO BECAUSE YOU'RE PIECING TOGETHER LIKE A LEGO SET. SO THEY'RE ENGINEERED AND SIGNED OFF ON, WE HAVE THE 150 MILE REQUIREMENTS AND IF, IF YOU GET AN ENGINEER THAT DESIGNS IT AND CERTIFIES IT, MEETS IT, THIS IS, THIS IS UNIQUE AND WE REALLY LOOK SHARP. AND, AND I AGREE. I I THINK THIS IS UNIQUE AS WELL. AND I SEE THEM MORE OUT WEST [00:50:01] WHERE HURRICANES, WHEN ISN'T THAT PREVALENT? I'M JUST CURIOUS, LIKE HOW WOULD THAT HOLD UP IN THIS TYPE OF REGION? WELL, THERE'S A STORAGE CONTAINER FACILITY ON I 10 THAT'S STACKED SIX HIGH. YEAH. AND, AND WHEN HURRICANES HIT THOSE AREAS, BECAUSE I'VE WORKED IN YARDS, I'VE SEEN, I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE OF THOSE FALL OVER WHEN THAT HURRICANE CAME THROUGH. AND WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THESE IN HOUSTON ALSO, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LOT MORE REGULATIONS ON THAT, KIND OF SEE WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE. BUT IF WE'RE GONNA OPEN THAT UP, YOU ALSO GOTTA REMEMBER SOME PEOPLE USE THESE TO BUILD POOLS. YEAH, THEY DIG 'EM OUT, STICK 'EM DOWN THERE. YEAH. YOU DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS. THEY CAN DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS. SO YOU MIGHT BE OPENING UP A LITTLE PANDORA'S BOX IN THAT TOO. THE MIDDLE TUB, THEY LINE THEM. YEAH, I GUESS SO. ALRIGHT, THAT CONCLUDES, UH, ALL THE SLIDES. OF COURSE, WHAT WILL WOULD DO FROM THIS POINT IS TAKE THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED WORK FOR, TO IDENTIFY REGULATIONS TO PRESENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL. I THINK WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE TIMELINE THAT THAT WILL COME THROUGH. I, I THINK THE CONVERSATION WE'RE LOOKING AT FEBRUARY TO PRESENT BACK TO COUNCIL. HOPEFULLY MARCH CROSSED. SO THAT ENDS MY PRESENTATION. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, SIR. WE ARE GOOD. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT YOUR FEEDBACK. YES, THANK YOU HAVET. EXHAUSTED EVERYTHING ON THIS WORK SESSION AGENDA. I NOW ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT 6:27 PM. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.