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[ CITY OF BAYTOWN NOTICE OF MEETING CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 13, 2025 5:30 P.M. COUNCIL CHAMBER, CITY HALL 2401 MARKET STREET, BAYTOWN, TEXAS 77520 AGENDA CALL TO ORDER AND ANNOUNCEMENT OF QUORUM ]
TO ORDER THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION ON THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 13TH, 2025, 5:30 PM IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER, AN ANNOUNCEMENT OF QUORUM AT 5:32 PM WE WILL START OFF WITH CITIZEN COMMENT.DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO, SIR.
[a. Receive a presentation and discuss the Solid Waste Franchise Fee.]
A, RECEIVE A PRESENTATION AND DISCUSS THE SOLID WASTE FRANCHISE FEE.UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL.
UH, TONIGHT WE ARE BRINGING BACK AN ITEM THAT, UH, WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE.
SO BE, UH, FAIRLY SHORT JUST TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF BACKGROUND, UH, TALK ABOUT SOME PROPOSED CHANGES AND IMPACTS AND THE IMPLEMENTATION.
SO WE DID, UH, DISCUSS THIS AT A WORK SESSION IN, UH, JUNE OF THIS YEAR.
REMIND YOU WE'VE HAD, UH, REGARDING SOLID WASTE.
UH, IT'S BEEN PLACED SINCE 2013.
IT REQUIRES FOR THOSE SERVICES WITHIN BAYTOWN.
SO, UH, BAYTOWN MAY NOT BE GETTING ALL THE SALES TAX THAT WE DESERVE.
AND SO, UM, ANOTHER, UH, PURPOSE IS TO, AS WE AUDIT, MAKE SURE ALL THE SALES TAXES THAT ARE FROM SERVICES, UH, PROVIDED IN BAYTOWN ARE, UH, STAY IN BAYTOWN.
SO, UM, SO THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES THAT, UM, WE, UM, WOULD BE SENDING TO YOU IN AN ORDINANCE REVISION.
UM, THE FIRST ITEM IS THE FRANCHISE FEE RATE.
THERE WOULD BE NO CHANGE TO THAT.
UH, THE REPORTING WOULD GO FROM A MONTHLY TO A QUARTERLY BASIS, UH, JUST TO EASE THE, THE PAPERWORK, UH, PERMITTING FEES WOULD INCREASE.
AND THESE WERE JUST BASED ON WHAT THE CONSULTANT RECOMMENDED.
UH, IF YOU HAVE DIFFERENT, UH, FEELINGS ON THIS, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS THAT.
UM, THE CURRENT, UH, RECORD KEEPING AND, AND AUDITING IS PRETTY MINIMAL.
UM, WE WOULD EXPAND THAT AND, UH, TRY TO GET, LIKE, SAY, UNIVERSAL COMPLIANCE AND THE CONFIDENTIALITY WOULD BE ADDRESSED TO HELP, UH, IN GETTING THAT COMPLIANCE AS WELL AS SALES TAX ISSUE.
UM, AND THEN, UH, AS WE LOOK AT, UH, PERMITTING THE, UH, DUMPSTERS AND ROLL OFFS, IF THERE'S ANY, YOU KNOW, UNSANITARY CONDITIONS, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, UM, CITE THE, UH, PROVIDER FOR THAT AND THE, UH, PERMIT WOULD HAVE TO BE DISPLAYED BOTH ON THE VEHICLES AND ON, UM, THE CONTAINERS.
SO WE THINK, UH, MAKING THESE IMPACTS WILL, UH, FIRST OFF GIVE US, UH, SOMETHING MORE CONSISTENT, UH, WHICH WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UH, UH, A BETTER, UH, REVENUE RELIABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY FOR THE BUSINESSES SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT, UH, THE ORDINANCE IS BEING APPLIED UNIVERSALLY.
WE'VE DEVELOPED A, UH, IMPLEMENTATION SCHEDULE.
UM, IT WOULD ASSUME THAT THERE WOULD BE ADOPTION OF THE REVISION IN DECEMBER AT COUNCIL.
AND THEN FROM THAT WE WOULD, UM, START NOTIFYING BUSINESSES, UH, THROUGH LETTERS AND, UH, PUBLISHING FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS.
UM, THEN WE WOULD OPEN THE APPLICATION PERIOD AND, UH, PUT FORMS ON THE WEBSITE AND THEN CONDUCT, UH, INDIVIDUAL ORIENTATION WITH THE HAULERS TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
AND THE, UM, REPORTING AND AUDIT SCHEDULE WOULD, UH, START WITH THE NEXT QUARTER IN, UH, APRIL OF 26.
SO, UH, THAT'S THE, UH, BRIEF PRESENTATION I HAVE.
UH, I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THE SCREEN THAT HAD THE PERMIT FEES? YES, THAT'S FINE.
UM, SO THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD BE CHARGING.
HAVE, HAS THIS BEEN PROPOSED TO THE CURRENT ONES AND HOW THEY WOULD FEEL GETTING A, A BUMP FROM 20 TO 75 THROUGH THE HAULERS? YES.
WE HAVE NOT SURVEYED THE HAULERS TO OKAY.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF, UH, IF IT'S BEEN, WELL, LIKE I SAY, THESE WERE BASED ON RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE CONSULTANT, SO I THINK THEY WERE CONSISTENT AMONG THE OTHER CITIES THAT HE SURVEYED.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAY, IF YOU HAD DIFFERENT OPINION, WE COULD LOOK AT, UH, DIFFERENT RATES.
MAYOR, ON THOSE SAME LINES, ON THE PERMIT FEES, UM, ARE, ARE WE GONNA DO ANY TYPE OF INSPECTION ON THESE VEHICLES OR THE DUMPSTERS OR WE JUST,
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THEY COME IN AND SAY WE GOT 10 TRUCKS WOULD BE, AND WE JUST CHARGE 'EM THE FEE? THERE WOULD BE INSPECTION OF THE DUMPSTERS TO, LIKE I SAY, MAKE SURE THERE'S NO UNSANITARY CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE LEAKING OR, UH, DAMAGED, UM, ON THE VEHICLES, IT, IT WOULD BE A CURSORY INSPECTION.IT WOULDN'T BE, UM, LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING YOU WOULD GO THROUGH FOR, UM, UH, YOUR VEHICLE INSPECTION.
I JUST WANT US TO BE AWARE THAT, THAT IF WE'RE JUST PROVIDING A, A PLACARD OR, YOU KNOW, A TAG TO LICENSE IT, I MEAN, 75 BUCKS FOR A STICKY IS TO ME, KIND OF A LOT.
NOW, IF WE'RE DOING A CURSORY INSPECTION OF EACH OF THE THINGS BEFORE WE, WE TAG THEM, I CAN SEE IS WE HAVE TO GET OUR, OUR COST BACK.
BUT IF IT'S JUST A, THEY COME IN AND THEY, I'VE GOT 20 TRUCKS AND YOU'RE JUST GONNA CHARGE 'EM A FEE FEE FOR 20 TRUCKS AND GIVE THEM 20 STICKERS WHILE CHARGE 75 BUCKS FOR THAT POINT, WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR LIKE, LEAKING OIL FROM TRUCKS THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, UH, CONTAMINATE, UH, OUR ROADWAY, UH, THE, THE BEDS THAT MIGHT BE LEAKING IT.
AND, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANNA HEAR.
THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THE ROAD WORTHINESS OF THE VEHICLE IS NOT A FULL VEHICLE INSPECTION, BUT REALLY JUST LOOKING FOR AN UNSANITARY CONDITIONS.
AS, AS LONG AS WE'RE DOING THAT WITH THE VEHICLES, AS, YOU KNOW, ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, AND THAT'S, AND THEN WE, YOU KNOW, THEY BRING IT IN, WE INSPECT IT, WE PUT THE STICKER ON IT, AS LONG AS WE'RE GIVING 'EM SOME VALUE FOR, FOR THE EFFORT, UH, SUPPORTED.
WELL, IT'S MORE VALUE TO OUR RESIDENTS RATHER THAN VALUE TO THE HAULER.
UM, AR AROUND THOSE SAME PERMIT FEES, WOULD THIS BE AN ANNUAL FEE? I, I DON'T THINK IT SAID ANNUALLY ON HERE, BUT, OR IS IT A ONE TIME? IT WOULD BE ANNUAL.
NO, I, I, I LIKE HAVING THE FEE FOR BOTH OF THE VEHICLE AND THE DUMPSTER.
I THINK THAT MAKES IT PRE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE COMPLAINT WE RECEIVED, RIGHT? IS THAT THERE'S COMPANIES HERE OPERATING, RIGHT, MM-HMM
UM, AND IF YOU ONLY HAVE IT ON THE VEHICLES LIKE WE HAVE NOW, THEN THAT'S GONNA BE DO YOU CATCH 'EM WHEN THEY'RE ROLLING THROUGH TOWN? RIGHT.
BUT IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY SIMPLE TO ROLL UP TO A DUMPSTER AND SEE IF THEY HAVE THE STICKER ON IT OR NOT.
SO I LIKE ADDING THAT, UH, PERMIT.
UM, I'M ASSUMING THE SAME VEHICLES WERE ALSO, UM, HELD TO EMISSION STANDARDS.
LIKE WE ALL HAVE TO GO GET EMISSIONS TEST.
THAT'D BE A TEXT LOG THAT WELL, YEAH.
BUT COULD WE HAVE THEM SHOW PROOF THAT THESE ARE EMISSIONS COMPLIANT OR, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF Y'ALL WOULD WANT THAT, BUT I KNOW I DO IF I'M DRIVING BEHIND ONE OF THOSE YEAH.
IF THE REGISTERED TEXTILES ALREADY DONE THAT.
JUST MAKING SURE I WANT THE CITY GETTING INTO OKAY.
I MEAN, EVEN IF THEY JUST SHOW THEIR PAPER, I MEAN, NOT FOR US TO LIKE, I'M SURE CHIEF GO AND GET 'EM TESTED OR NOT, BUT
I BELIEVE THE DEATHSTAR BILL HAS SAID THAT ANYTHING THAT THE STATE REGULATES, WE CANNOT REGULATE THAT.
SO IF THE STATE IS ALREADY DOING SOMETHING, WE CAN'T FURTHER REGULATE THAT.
AND, AND IF I MAY, UM, CHIEF STRINGER, I'LL PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
UH, IF THE VEHICLE HAS A CURRENT REGISTRATION STICKER, UM, CHANCES ARE THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THE ADMISSIONS TESTING, UM, AND HAVE HAD TO PASS THAT IN ORDER TO GET THEIR REGISTRATION.
IT, IT'S FUNNY, THIS COMES UP, I JUST COMPLETED A, A FOUR HOUR LEGAL UPDATE
UH, AND IT ACTUALLY TALKS ABOUT THAT IN TRANSPORTATION CODE THAT, UH, AS, AS PART OF THE, UH, THE REGISTRATION, YOUR STICKER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, FOR COUNTIES THAT REQUIRE EMISSIONS TEST, THAT'S PART OF IT TO BE ABLE TO GET IT.
SO THAT'S PART OF YOUR INSPECTION.
I BELIEVE HARRIS COUNTY STILL REQUIRES THE EMISSION INSPECTION TO BE ABLE TO, TO GET YOUR, YOUR VEHICLE UPDATED AND REGISTERED.
SO THE ANSWER, SHORT ANSWER WOULD BE YES, THANK MM-HMM
ONE FOLLOW UP ON, ON THE, THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN.
ARE WE ADDING ANYTHING INTO THIS CODE WHERE WE CAN ADDRESS THE BUSINESS SIDE OF IT? THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO USE PERMITTED OR LICENSED VENDORS? SO, SO WE'RE NOT JUST HAMMERING ONE SIDE, BUT WE'RE ALSO PUTTING IT TO OUR BUSINESSES THAT Y'ALL CORRECT.
PART OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
UM, IT WAS A LATE AD ON FEEDBACK THAT CAME THROUGH AFTER INITIAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THIS, AND NOT PART OF LIKE ACTUAL FRANK'S PRESENTATION HERE.
BUT PART OF THAT WAS THAT IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WILL BE PRESENTED TO Y'ALL, THE PERMITTING PROCESS WILL SAY THAT BUSINESSES HAVE TO USE PERMITTED HAULERS.
AND THAT'S, UM, BUT TO FRANK'S POINT, THE ENFORCEMENT WILL BE ON THE HAULERS
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AND NOT THE BUSINESSES AT THIS POINT, BUT THEY'LL HAVE TO USE PERMITTED HAULERS.SO THE HAULERS WOULD HAVE TO BE ALL PERMITTED TO BE ABLE TO BE USED BY THE BUSINESSES.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE COVERING BOTH SIDES OF THAT COIN.
BECAUSE THAT'S SOME OF THE PUSHBACK I'VE GOTTEN.
THAT'S SOMETHING HE'S GONNA HAVE TO LIKE, FIGURE OUT AS WE'RE WRITING THESE THINGS.
SO I DON'T HAVE THE, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS TO THAT, BUT THAT IS THE INTENT OF HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS.
BECAUSE YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT A BUSINESS OUT THERE THAT'S TAKING THE, THE CHEAPEST ROUTE AND GETS A NON PERMITTED VENDOR, THEN Y'ALL ARE GONNA HAVE TO CATCH THE PER NON-PERMITTED VENDOR, THE HAULER AND ADDRESS THAT, BUT THE BUSINESS JUST GOES TO THE NEXT ONE THAT'S CHEAP AND, AND NOT PERMITTED.
UM, SO WE NEED TO HAVE SOME TEETH ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT COIN.
'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA HELP THOSE THAT ARE COMPLIANT, IT WILL HELP THEM BECAUSE BUSINESSES KNOW THEY HAVE TO USE COMPLIANT OPERATIONS.
[b. Discussion regarding amending Section 70-8 “Alcoholic Beverages” of the Code of Ordinances, Baytown, Texas, to permit alcoholic beverages at City-owned or controlled property for qualified, event-specific tourism or sports tourism initiatives, subject to restrictions and permitting requirements.]
REGARDING AMENDING SECTION 70 DASH EIGHT ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, BAYTOWN, TEXAS TO PERMIT ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES THAT CITY COUNCIL OWNED OR CONTROLLED PROPERTY FOR QUALIFIED EVENTS, SPECIFIC TOURISM OR SPORTS TOURISM INITIATIVES SUBJECT TO RESTRICTIONS AND PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS.BUT, UM, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS, UH, REAL BRIEFLY, WE'RE GONNA DO A RECAP OF OUR, OUR CURRENT ALCOHOLIC, UM, ORDINANCE, UM, WHICH IS PERFORMING EXTREMELY WELL.
AND WE'RE GONNA SHARE A QUICK COUPLE LITTLE, UM, POSITIVE OUTCOMES OF HOW WE'RE UTILIZING THE CURRENT ONE.
UH, WE'RE GONNA EXPLAIN WHY WE'RE HERE, WHAT LED US TO THIS, UH, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO, UM, GO INTO KIND OF A MORE SPECIFIC OF WHAT THIS POLICY IS AIMED AT DOING AND WHAT IT'S NOT AIMED AT DOING.
UH, THEY'RE GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT WE, UH, WE ENVISION, UM, SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO GET THIS.
AND THEN FINALLY, WE'RE GONNA SEEK APPROVAL OR GUIDANCE ON, UH, ON THIS WHOLE SYSTEM HERE.
SO, UH, FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS THE, UH, THE ALCOHOLIC, UH, BEVERAGE ORDINANCE AS IT SITS TODAY.
UH, BASICALLY THIS IS A PARKS AND REC KIND OF VERSION THAT IT, UH, IT'LL BE ILLEGAL TO CONSUME OR UNLAWFUL TO CONSUME OR POSSESS ALCOHOL ANYWHERE EXCEPT FOR THESE HANDFUL OF PARKS, RIGHT? UH, AS I'VE MENTIONED BRIEFLY, UH, A SECOND AGO, UH, WE, WE CURRENTLY USE THE THIRD PARTY, UH, ALCOHOL POLICY AT, UH, WAYNE GRAY QUITE A BIT.
JUST RECENTLY, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER, WE HAD, UH, OVER 200 SOFTBALL TEAMS COME OUT AND, UH, AND PARTICIPATE, UH, FOR A WEEK, UH, AT A, OUT AT WAYNE GRAY.
UM, WE, AGAIN, THAT'S 200 TEAMS OF PLAYERS WE UTILIZE.
THE, THE CURRENT ALCOHOL POLICY DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES, UH, NO SECURITY THREATS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND SO THE POLICY AS IT'S DESIGNED, IS WORKING PRETTY WELL, AND WE WANT TO BASICALLY DUPLICATE IT, BUT CHANGE IT FROM A, A LOCATION SPECIFIC TO AN EVENT SPECIFIC, RIGHT? AND SO THAT LEADS US TO WHY WE'RE HERE, WHICH IS WE WERE APPROACHED BY A, UH, A BASEBALL TEAM WANTING TO UTILIZE JENKINS PARK.
UH, AND WHAT IT IS, IS THAT IT IS AN OWNER'S GROUP, UM, OR A COMMISSIONER, IF YOU WILL, THE LEAGUE THAT'S LOOKING FOR AN INDIVIDUAL OWNER FOR THAT TEAM, UH, AND LOOKING FOR A TEAM.
OBVIOUSLY, HE WOULD HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING A, A HIGHER LEVEL TEAM IF HE CAN, UH, IF THE TEAM OWNER COULD SELL, UH, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AT THE FACILITY, RIGHT? SO, UH, WE ORIGINALLY TOOK THE THOUGHT OF JUST ADDING, UH, JENKINS SPARKED TO THAT OTHER LIST, RIGHT? UM, SIMPLE, SIMPLE ENOUGH.
BUT WHAT WE REALIZED THROUGH A LONG CONVERSATION WITH OUR PARKS BOARD AND, UH, WITH OUR TEAM IS WHAT WE'RE REALLY DOING IS WE'RE TRYING TO PUT A QUA SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO CREATE AN ALCOHOL POLICY FOR THIS TOURISM INITIATIVE WITHIN OUR PARKS AND REC SYSTEM.
AND SO WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND, UH, REALLY TRY TO HONE IN ON, UM, BRINGING SOMETHING FORWARD THAT WOULD BE MORE FLEXIBLE AND THAT WOULD LEAVE WHEN THE EVENT IS OVER.
SAY, THIS BASEBALL TEAM COMES INTO JENKINS PARK, HE PLAYS 3, 3, 4 YEARS AND LEAVES.
WE DIDN'T WANT JENKINS PARK TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ALCOHOL FOR THEM IN THERE ON, RIGHT? AND SO WE TRY TO TAILOR MADE SOMETHING THAT WOULD FOLLOW THE EVENT, ALLOW, UM, AN EVENT TO COME IN AND, AND DO SOMETHING NEAT OR FUN TO DO IN BAYTOWN, BUT THEN LEAVE AND TAKE HIS ALCOHOL POLICY WITH IT, RIGHT? UM, THE DRAFT, UH, WHAT WE WERE WORKING ON IS IT'S AT YOUR, AT YOUR, UH, SEATS THERE.
UM, REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE, UH, CLARITY.
UH, IT'S, IT CLEANS UP SOME OF THE DEFINITIONS ON THE TOP OF THAT.
UH, AND THEN IT ALSO, UH, KIND OF ADDS IN A TOURISM INITIATIVE DOWN THERE UNDERNEATH ALL THE OTHER LISTS OF PARKS, RIGHT? AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO, UH, CREATE A CLEARER, UH, GUIDANCE FOR NOT ONLY OUR STAFF, BUT ANYBODY WANTING TO DO AN EVENT IN BAYTOWN.
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UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE THINGS THAT THIS, UH, THIS AMENDMENT IS AIMED AT DOING IS, IS THAT IT'S, UH, WHAT IT WANTS TO DO IS IT WANTS TO ALLOW THIRD PARTY EVENTS, UH, THAT MEET TOURISM CRITERIA, UH, TO COME IN AND, AND UTILIZE IT, RIGHT? THIS IS A THIRD PARTY EVENT THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, UH, AND IT'S REALLY TO HELP CREATE THAT SPORTS DESTINATION THAT WE ALL WANT BAYTOWN TO BECOME.UH, I KNOW THAT PROJECT VECTORS ON THE HORIZON AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THIS ISN'T ATTRIBUTED OR RELATED TO THAT IN ANY KIND OF WAY EITHER.
THIS IS TO BETTER UTILIZE WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
I MEAN, WE HAVE, UH, AND I'LL GET INTO IT IN A SECOND, BUT WE HAVE, UM, LIKE WATERWAYS AND IF WE WANT TO HOST FISHING TOURNAMENTS OR WE WANTED TO UTILIZE TRAIL RUNS OR MARATHONS, THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, THE, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIRD PARTY IN THIS SCENARIO, THE THIRD PARTY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ITS OWN OR OBTAIN ITS OWN, UH, TABC PERMIT, RIGHT? AND SO IT WOULDN'T BE PARTNERING WITH SOMEBODY ELSE WHO HAS A-T-A-B-C PERMIT.
IT WOULD BE THE ACTUAL OWNER OR OPERATOR GETTING THEIR OWN TABC TO OR TABC PERMIT, WHICH GETS THEM A LOT MORE SKIN IN THE GAME, PER SE.
SO IT'S A HIGHER STANDARD THAT WE'RE ALREADY WORKING WITH CURRENTLY.
UH, AND THEN AGAIN, ON THE, UH, IT WOULD BE EVENT SPECIFIC RATHER THAN, UM, RATHER THAN LOCATION SPECIFIC.
AND I, I'M GONNA SAY THAT A FEW TIMES BECAUSE IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
UH, THE PARKS AND REC ONE WAS PARKS AND REC SPECIFIC BECAUSE ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAPPENED IN A PARK.
THIS WOULD GIVE US FLEXIBILITY TO USE OTHER CITY OWNED PROPERTIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL FOR A VERY SHORT DURATION OF TIME THAT FOLLOWS THE EVENT.
AGAIN, UH, WHAT IT DOES NOT DO, IT WILL NOT HAVE ANY IMPLICATIONS ON A PARKS AND RECREATION EVENTS.
UH, THIS, THIS IS, AGAIN, IT WAS THE THIRD PARTY EVENT THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ITS OWN TABC PERMIT.
SO ANYTHING THAT PARKS AND REC DOES NOW IS NOT GONNA BE AFFECTED BY ANY OF THIS, UH, NEGATIVELY OR POSITIVELY.
UM, IT, UH, IT IS NOT GONNA CHANGE THE THIRD PARTY ALCOHOL BEVERAGE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
UH, IT IS WORKING REALLY WELL AT THE PI THE PLACES THAT WE DO.
AGAIN, UH, IT'S NOT GONNA BE SPECIFIC, UH, TO THE LOCATION.
AGAIN, I'M SORRY I KEEP BANGING THAT DRUM BECAUSE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT.
AND THEN LAST, UH, IT'S NOT GONNA SUPERSEDE ANY DEEDS OR ANY CODES OR ANY POLICY THAT'S IN PLACE.
NOW, THAT'S ANOTHER BIG IMPORTANT ONE.
UH, FOR INSTANCE, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME IN AND HOST A, A LARGE VOLLEYBALL TOURNAMENT AT ROSELAND PARK, RIGHT? UH, THEY CANNOT GET AN ALCOHOL POLICY TO, TO COVER ROSELAND PARK BECAUSE IT'S ROSELAND PARK IS DEED RESTRICTED AND CAN'T HAVE ALCOHOL THERE, RIGHT? SO THIS WOULDN'T SUPERSEDE ANY OF THAT STUFF AND THEN ALLOW IT, UM, UH, IT WOULDN'T ALLOW A, A BOXING MATCH TO COME INTO THE COMMUNITY CENTER BECAUSE CURRENT T-T-A-B-C GUIDELINES WON'T ALLOW THAT EITHER.
SO IT WON'T GO AND CHANGE ANY POLICY OR ANY CURRENT, UH, CODES OR ORDINANCES OR ANY OF THAT KIND OF STUFF.
IT'S ONLY TO GIVE US THE FLEXIBILITY ON PLACES THAT COULD HAVE IT.
UH, SO WE WE'RE GONNA DEVELOP, UM, UH, TOURISM, UM, CRITERIA, UH, THAT WE THINK WILL EITHER DRIVE AN ECONOMIC IMPACT OR DRIVE TOURISM HEADS AND BEDS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THEN ONCE, ONCE THE IDEA COMES TO OUR DEPARTMENT THROUGH A WHOLE HOST OF WAYS THAT COULD GET TO US, WE'LL GO OVER THAT AND SEE IF IT, IF IT MEETS THOSE CRITERIA, RIGHT? AND IF IT DOES, UH, WE CAN THEN TAKE IT TO OUR PARKS AND REC BOARD, UM, ADVISORY BOARD MEETS MONTHLY.
WE'D HAVE THEM PITCH THE IDEA TO THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY BOARD AND MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE VALUES OF OUR COMMUNITY ARE MET BY THAT AND MAKE SURE, GET THE, LET THEM VET THROUGH ALL THE, THE INS AND OUTS OF THAT AS WELL, UH, SUGGESTIONS, YOU KNOW, THEN WE WILL TO GO THROUGH THE TABC PROCESS AND, AND START THAT WHOLE LONG PROCESS.
THIS ISN'T A QUICK, QUICK THING TO DO, VERY LONG PROCESS.
BUT A LOT OF THESE IN THE WAIT, IN FACT, THE ONE FOR JENKINS PARK THAT, THAT STARTED THIS WHOLE THING CAME TO US PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS AGO, AND HE'S NOT PLANNING ON STARTING ANYTHING UNTIL NEXT SUMMER.
SO THESE, THIS IS WHAT IS INTENDED TO DO IS FOR THE, THOSE BIGGER, UH, LEVEL THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, AND AGAIN, IT WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW ALL THE POLICIES AND CODES AND PERMITS AND SECURITY MEASURES THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE WITH THE OLD ALCOHOL POLICY OR WITH THE CURRENT ALCOHOL POLICY.
AGAIN, UM, THE, UM, THE, THE, THE PURPOSE OR THE GOALS OF THIS, AGAIN, IS TO PROVIDE THE, UH, A SOLUTION FOR THE BASEBALL TEAM.
THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY PUSHING THIS RIGHT NOW.
HE'S WANTING TO, UH, TO START LOOKING FOR THAT OWNERSHIP GROUP, UH, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
AND SO HAVING THE, UH, THE DIRECTION FOR THAT WOULD BE HUGE.
BUT ON A LARGER SCALE, IT WOULD, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO START LEVERAGING OUR ASSETS OUTSIDE OF VECTOR OR OUTSIDE OF, OF THE SPORTS COMPLEX TO A LOT OF THE LITTLE THINGS THAT WE COULD UTILIZE FOR TOURISM DRAWS THAT CURRENTLY AREN'T BEING, AREN'T BEING DONE.
UH, WE WANNA MAKE BAYTOWN AN APPEALING PLACE FOR TOUR TOURISM IMPACT EVENT PLANNERS.
UH, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE, UH, LIKE A MARATHON.
I MENTIONED EARLIER, A LOT OF TIMES MARATHONS OR ROAD RUNS LIKE THAT HAVE A LITTLE AREA AFTER THE FINISH LINE WHERE THEY HAVE DRINKS OR WHATEVER.
AND, AND IT'S ON A CLOSED ROAD, IT'S DONE CORRECTLY.
IT'S FOR TABC, THE EVENT ORGANIZER HAS TABC CERTIFIED, UH, YOU KNOW, BARTENDERS OR WHATEVER TO, TO DISTRIBUTE, UH, THE ALCOHOL.
SO IT'S A RIGHT WAY TO DO THINGS RIGHT.
AND, UH, BUT MOST OF ALL, IT REALLY ENSURES THE FLEXIBILITY FOR
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FUTURE PROPOSALS.UH, THAT, THAT BASEBALL, UH, PROPOSAL JUST KIND OF CAME TO US, UH, YOU KNOW, HAPPENSTANCE REALLY.
AND, UH, WE WEREN'T, HONESTLY, WE WEREN'T PREPARED TO HAVE AN ANSWER ON THAT.
UM, WE COULD SCRAMBLE AND WE COULD JUST KEEP ADDING FACILITIES TO THE LIST AND HAVE THAT LIST EVER GROWING AND HAVE THAT CHANGED FOREVER.
BUT WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO IS TAKE A STEP BACK AND TRY TO ESTABLISH A WAY THAT WE CAN BE PROACTIVE IN, IN SECURING THESE EVENTS IN THE FUTURE WITHOUT HAVING TO CONTINUOUSLY COME BACK AND CHANGE THINGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, I'VE GOT, UH, MY, MY RECREATION SUPERINTENDENT AND OUR, UH, TOURISM SUPERINTENDENT HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA START OFF BY SAYING THANK YOU FOR NOT WANTING TO COME CONTINUALLY COME BACK AND ADD SOMETHING.
TAKING A HOLISTIC APPROACH, LOOKING AT IT AND WANTING TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT'S GOING TO BE GOOD GOING FORWARD.
THANK YOU ALL FOR EVEN THINKING ALONG THOSE LINES, KEN.
UH, THE QUESTION I HAD IS AT, AT THESE EVENTS, WILL THERE BE A ENFORCING MECHANISM FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO BRING ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES OUTSIDE IN? YEAH.
LIKE, WILL, WILL THERE BE CHECKPOINTS TO YEAH, SO CHECK BOTTLES.
AND SO ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A-T-A-B-C LICENSE IS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PERIMETER, A PHYSICAL PERIMETER AROUND THE EVENT.
AND THAT'S THE, NOT ONLY KEEP OUTSIDE ALCOHOL OUT, BUT KEEP INSIDE ALCOHOL IN.
ALL THOSE REGULATIONS AND EVERYTHING ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE.
FOR INSTANCE, WHEN WE USE, UM, THE WAYNE GRAY SPORTS COMPLEX, WE, WE PUT BARRICADES OR FENCING CONNECTING THE OUTFIELD FENCINGS TO CREATE A PERIMETER TO WHERE PEOPLE CAN'T COME IN, FIXES IT TO ONE OR TWO, WHATEVER ACCESS POINTS, DEPENDING ON WHERE IT IS.
UH, BUT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A REQUIREMENT FOR THE TABC LICENSE.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
IT WILL MAKE US MORE ATTRACTIVE TO OUTSIDE OPPORTUNITIES, LIKE WITH THIS MINOR LEAGUE BALL CLUB.
COUNCILMAN PAUL, UH, APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS TO US.
I, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY CONCERNS.
UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE, THE INTENT.
'CAUSE YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T WANT TO KEEP BRINGING THIS BACK.
SO I, I SEE WE'VE ADDED THE, IS THIS, THIS IS THE DRAFT THAT WE HAVE HERE? YES, SIR.
SO, UM, I MEAN WE HAVE THE, IT TALKS ABOUT THE, UM, THE TOURISM ASPECT OF IT, BUT THE LIST IS STILL THERE.
SO IS THE LIST GOING TO STAY OR, YEAH.
UM, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU.
THE, THE, THE LIST COULD BE MODIFIED IF WE'RE MODIFYING AS IT IS NOW.
WE WERE PROPOSING TO LEAVE THE LIST ALONE.
UM, SOME OF THOSE, THOSE LIST WAS JUST CREATED ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO.
THE MAIN ONE WE UTILIZE IS, UH, THE WANG GRAY SPORTS COMPLEX.
UH, EVERGREEN PARK WAS UTILIZED QUITE A BIT TOO, UH, WHEN IT WAS A RENTAL FACILITY, BUT IT'S NOT AS MUCH ANYMORE.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ONES ARE THERE, UH, THERE, WHAT, WHAT WHAT'S INTERESTING IS, IS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS WORKING HERE.
UH, THE LIST WOULD ALLOW A RENTAL OR ALLOW SOMEBODY TO USE A THIRD PARTY ALCOHOL VENDOR THEMSELVES.
RIGHT? THE, THE NEW ONE WOULD MAKE A BIG TOURISM ENTITY OBTAIN A-T-A-B-C LICENSE TO USE, GO OUTSIDE OF THAT LIST.
SO THEY, THEY'RE SIMILAR, BUT THAT'S THE SAME.
UM, WELL I JUST, JENKINS ISN'T ON THE LIST OF PARKS HERE.
RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
IF WE WERE UPDATING THE LIST OR DOING AWAY WITH IT AND JUST GONNA SAY TOURISM IN GENERAL AND LEAVE IT UP TO Y'ALL FOR WHICHEVER PARK OR NO.
WELL, THAT, WELL THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT IT UP IS THAT WE COULD HAVE JUST COME BACK AND ADDED JENKINS TO THE, TO THE LIST, BUT THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO KEEP COMING BACK EVERY TIME SOMEBODY COMES UP WITH A COOL IDEA.
IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO UTILIZE OUR TRAIL TO DO A COLOR RUN OR DO SOMETHING FUN LIKE THAT, THEN WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK BACK AND SAY THIS TRAIL FROM THIS PART TO THIS PART OR, AND WE, WE, WE DIDN'T WANT TO AGAIN LEAVE THOSE ALCOHOL POLICIES IN PLACE FOREVER IN ETERNITY BECAUSE OF ONE EVENT ONE WEEK, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
AND SO THIS GIVES US THAT FLEXIBILITY TO END IT AND THEN NOT ALLOW IT THERE ALL THE TIME.
UH, SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE, UM, SECTION B JUST KIND OF EXCLUDES THE ONES THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED AND THEN IT OPENS IT UP FOR ANY OF 'EM.
UM, SO IT JUST EXCLUDES THOSE PARTICULAR, UM, PARKS.
AND THEN, UM, AND THIS MAY HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, SO I APOLOGIZE, BUT COULD THIS ALSO BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY OF ALL OUR SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS? 'CAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE ONE PARTICULAR VENDOR THAT'S ALWAYS AT, UM, TOWN SQUARE THAT SERVES I THINK THE DAIQUIRIS OR SOMETHING.
I'M NOT SURE THERE'S ALWAYS ONE PARTICULAR VENDOR THAT'S ALWAYS THERE, BUT COULD WE HAVE THAT LIST OF OUR SMALL BUSINESS, UM, YOU KNOW, VENDORS THAT COULD BE CHOSEN THAT PROBABLY WON'T GET PICKED ALL THE TIME, OR IF AT ALL, ESPECIALLY
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IF THEY KNOW SOMEONE THAT THEY JUST WANNA BRING IN.BUT AS LONG AS THEY'RE APPROVED BY TABC, BUT I, I JUST WANT TO SEE IF THERE'S ON AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR LOCAL SMALL BUSINESSES THAT DO SELL ALCOHOL OR CATER MM-HMM
THAT THEY COULD BE ON SOME LIST THAT THEY CAN GET CHOSEN.
'CAUSE I KNOW I HAVE ONE, UH, IN MY DISTRICT THAT THAT ALWAYS ASKS ME HOW DO I GET TO BE A PART OF THAT EVENT? HOW DO I, AND I SAID, WELL, YOU JUST HAVE TO PICK THE BUTTON AS SOON AS YOU CAN.
'CAUSE I KNOW THOSE SPOTS FILL UP QUICK.
SO ALL OF THE, UM, ALL OF THE PREVIOUS PARKS ON THAT LIST ARE DESIGNED FOR THAT REASON.
FOR, TO ALLOW THE THIRD PARTY LOCAL VENDORS TO COME IN AND DO IT.
UH, YOU SEE THAT VENDOR AT TOWN SQUIRREL ALL THE TIME.
IS, IS FOR THAT INTENDED PURPOSE.
THIS IS INTENDED MORE FOR A LARGER SCALE.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA BRING EVERYTHING.
THEY'RE GONNA DO THE SETUP, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THEIR OWN PERMITS, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THEIR OWN EVERYTHING.
SO THESE ARE MORE BIGGER SCALE TOURISM DRAWING EVENTS.
ANYONE ELSE? YEAH, AGAIN, I, I THINK IT'S TIME THAT, THAT WE EXPAND THIS PROCESS.
UM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE ARE BEING LARGER, BIGGER EVENTS THEY TAKE TIME TO PUT TOGETHER.
UH, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU INDICATED, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THE PROPOSALS TO THE PARKS BOARD FOR REVIEW AND MAKE SURE IT MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA.
UM, HAVE BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO, TO HAVE SEEN SOME OF THESE IN THE PAST.
UM, THE LONG NET FESTIVAL AND SOME OF THE OTHERS IN OUR COMMUNITY IS PRETTY SENSITIVE TO ALLOWING ALCOHOL EVENTS.
UM, IS THERE, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR, OR, UM, CONCEPT OF BRINGING THE FINAL APPROVAL THROUGH US VERSUS YOU? WELL, AND, AND, AND I, I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE IN YOU.
UH, IT IS JUST, I'M TRYING TO PROTECT YOU A LITTLE BIT HERE TOO.
I UNDERSTAND AND I APPRECIATE THAT THEY, UM, THE, THE PARKS BOARD'S THERE FOR THAT REASON, UH, AND, AND FETING IT THROUGH OUR PARKS BOARD IS A MUCH QUICKER PROCESS.
UM, IF IT IS A TIME RESTRAINT.
I THINK THAT, I THINK PARKS BOARD WAS A WEIGH IN ON ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.
I TOLD 'EM I WANTED IT TO BE A BURDEN TO 'EM, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU'ALL WANT PAID TIME TO, TO HAVE A BUNCH OF THINGS TO COME UP AND, AND TAKE THE PARKS BOARD AND VET THINGS THROUGH.
AND, UH, THEY SEEM UP FOR THE CHALLENGE.
UM, AND SO WE'RE, WE LIKE THE WAY IT'S PROPOSED NOW, UH, AND WE'RE, WE, WE'RE OKAY WITH IT, SO, OKAY.
BUT I APPRECIATE YOU TRYING TO SAVE ME.
IT, IT, I I JUST KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PARKS BOARD IS NOT AS ACCOUNTABLE TO OUR CONSTITUENTS AS WE ARE, AND SO I WAS JUST, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO IT THOUGH.
I I, I MEAN, I'M, WE MAY NOT WANT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS TO THAT POINT, BUT THAT'S A BIG STEP.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO WE JUST NEED TO KIND OF KEEP AN OPEN MIND AS WE'RE BRINGING THIS FORWARD.
AND I KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION OR TWO ON IT AS WELL.
BUT, UM, IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC HAS TO SAY AND IF THERE'S STRONG PUSHBACK, I THINK SOME OF THE MORE RESPONSIBILITY NEEDS TO COME TO THE DAES VERSUS YOU OUT THERE.
UM, YOU DO A GREAT JOB FOR US.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO TAKE THE BEATINGS.
WELL, MAYBE THAT'S THE, THAT'S LIKE A STEP OR AN APPEAL PROCESS WHERE IT COULD COME BACK TO US IF FOR WHATEVER REASON IT TURNED DOWN AT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, WE COULD CREATE LIKE AN APPEALS PROCESS.
UM, BUT, AND I REMEMBER THOSE DAYS WHERE EARLY ON MM-HMM.
AND, UM, SO, UH, I'M OKAY WITH IT AS LONG AS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF SHIRLEY TEMPLE OPTIONS,
SO, UM, FOR ME, JUST HEARING WHAT MIKE SAID, I THINK THOSE ARE GOOD POINTS.
BUT THE FACT THAT I KNOW TABC AND I KNOW HOW STRICT THEY ARE, I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE IN THEM OVERSEEING THAT.
AND THEN I THINK JUST FROM HEARING SOME OF THE FEEDBACK, THERE'S STILL SOME CONFUSION THAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ARE STILL ALREADY GOING ON.
IT'S JUST GONNA BE TO A LARGER SCALE.
SO, UM, I'M, I'M STILL, I'LL JUST SAY I'M OKAY WITH THE PARKS BOARD OVERSEEING IT.
HAVING EXHAUSTED EVERYTHING ON THIS WORK SESSION AGENDA.
NOW ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT 6:05 PM.