* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. I STILL FALL APART. [00:00:02] HI, . . JUST, JUST, JUST, I'M ASKING ABOUT WAY BACK. WE'RE DOING OCTOBER 4TH. ALRIGHT. UH, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND BEGIN [ CITY OF BAYTOWN NOTICE OF MEETING COLLECTIVE BARGAINING SESSION BETWEEN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN AND THE BAYTOWN PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS'S ASSOCIATION TUESDAY, JULY 22, 2025 1:00 P.M. BAYTOWN CONFERENCE ROOM, BAYTOWN CITY HALL 2401 MARKET STREET, BAYTOWN, TEXAS 77520 AGENDA CALL TO ORDER AND ANNOUNCEMENT OF QUORUM ] THIS COLLECTIVE BARGAINING SESSION WITH THE CITY OF BAYTOWN BAYTOWN PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS ASSOCIATION. IT IS TUESDAY, JULY THE 22ND OF 2025, AND IT IS APPROXIMATELY 1:03 PM FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CITIZEN COMMENTS. STILL NONE. ALL RIGHT. UH, MOVING ON [a. Consider the Baytown Professional Firefighters' Association's collective bargaining proposals. ] TO ITEM TWO A, UM, WHICH IS TO CONSIDER, UH, ANY PROPOSALS FROM THE BIGTIME PROFESSIONAL PARK ASSOCIATION. FIRST, WE WANT TO, THIS ISN'T AN ARTICLE THAT YOU GUYS, UH, PUT TOGETHER. UH, WE REVISED A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MEETING, THERE'S FOUR, YOU KNOW, UM, INSIDE THE POST HIRING RETENTION REQUIREMENTS, UM, 'CAUSE OF THE AMENDMENT THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT POSSIBLY DOING FIREFIGHTER BASIC OR BEING ABLE FOR Y'ALL TO BE ABLE TO GO DOWN TO FIREFIGHTER BASIC POSSIBLE. WE WANTED TO LEAVE THOSE TWO THINGS IN THERE. WE ARE, HOWEVER, OKAY WITH THE CHANGES TO DOING HAZMAT TECH, BEING THAT A JOB REQUIREMENT AFTER OCTOBER 1ST, 2025. UM, THE ONLY THING THAT WE'VE ADDED TO THIS IS THAT THE BAYTOWN FIRE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS TO PROVIDE IT, WHETHER IT'S IN-HOUSE OR OUT OUTSIDE TRAINING. HOWEVER THEY CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN. BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE BLANK IS AS IT IS CURRENTLY IN THE, IN THE CURRENT CONTRACT. SEEMS LIKE GOLD AROUND THE FIRE STATION, APPARENTLY. MM-HMM. ALRIGHT, GET INTO IT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. WE DID SEE SEVERAL THINGS OF VALUE INSIDE OF THIS, UM, THE PROMOTIONAL ARTICLE. THERE'S SOME OF IT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO NOT ACCEPT, BUT WE'VE REWRITTEN IT. UM, AND THE STUFF THAT WAS CHANGED, THIS IS THE SAME CHANGE THAT Y'ALL PROPOSED FOR THE, UH, SCRATCHED OUT RED FOR THE SENIORITY POINTS. THE FIRST SENTENCE IN BLUE, HOWEVER, IS THE SAME ONE THAT YOU GUYS HAD PUT IN THERE THAT YOU PROPOSED TO US. UM, THE AF THE SECOND ONE WAS THE WORDING THAT WE PROPOSED TO YOU GUYS FOR HAVING THE POINTS RESET WHEN THEY PROMOTE TO THE NEXT RANK. UM, AND THAT WAS INSIDE THERE. THE NEXT THING IS EDUCATIONAL POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN SCRATCHED OUT. PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT POINTS ARE RIGHT BELOW THAT. UM, SOME OF THE CHANGES TO THAT WAS THE ONE POINT FOR THE ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE, WHICH YOU GUYS HAVE RECOMMENDED. ONE POINT FOR CPSE PROFESSIONAL DESIGNATION. WE'RE OKAY WITH, UM, TWO POINTS FOR HAVING BOTH OF THOSE. AND THEN TWO POINTS FOR OBTAINING A BACHELOR'S DEGREE. AND THE CHANGE TO THAT WAS NOT HAVING IT BE, UH, SPECIFIC TO THE, THE CRITERIA THAT WAS IN THERE. WE'D LIKE ALL DEGREES TO COUNT. WE SEE, WE SEE A BUNCH OF DEGREES THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. CHEMISTRY, PSYCHOLOGY, ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE RELATED TO WHAT WE DO. UM, SO WE'D LIKE TO SEE ALL OF THE DEGREE, THE DEGREES COUNT FOR POINTS. AND THEN THREE POINTS IF YOU HAVE BOTH THE BACHELOR'S AND THE CPSS FIRST PROFESSIONAL DESIGNATION. UM, THE NEXT SENTENCE OR THE NEXT COUPLE OF SENTENCES, SENIORITY OF PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT POINTS WAS THE SAME TERMINOLOGY YOU GUYS HAD PROPOSED. UM, CHANGING THE EDUCATIONAL POINTS TO PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT POINTS REPRESENT, UM, WE DO NOT WANT TO ACCEPT, UH, DIVISION CHIEFS BEING APPOINTED. WE DO CHANGE THE WORDING FOR CAPTAIN AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE AS, AS IT IS IN THE CONTRACT CURRENTLY WITH NO, UH, WHAT'S THE CALLED CENTERS, UH, ASSESSMENT CENTER. UH, AND THEN THE LAST SENTENCE, UH, THAT YOU GUYS HAD PROPOSED WAS STRETCHING IT OUT BECAUSE IT DOES I CHANGING THAT TIMEFRAME IN THIS LAST, IN THIS SENTENCE HERE, THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION UP UNTIL THE DATE AND TIME OF THE TEST. SO DID Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON, UM, ARTICLE 36? AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS JUST A LITTLE BIT. OUR [00:05:01] LEFT THOUGHTS JUST A LITTLE BIT. PAGE FIVE THERE. OH, SORRY. UM, I DID CHANGE THESE TO THEIR, TO CORRELATION THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE OR WE'D LIKE THEM TO HAVE, UM, GETTING RID OF SECTION TWO, WHICH IS THE COPY OF AGREEMENT AND SECTION THREE, WHICH IS THE DIRECT DEPOSIT. UM, IN DISCUSSING THIS A LOT WITH PEOPLE AT SOCO AND THINGS THAT HAPPEN ON A DAILY BASIS, WE'D LIKE TO LEAVE THE MILEAGE REIMBURSEMENT IN THERE. 'CAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE USE FOR, UM, IF A PERSON IS SHIPPED TO ANOTHER STATION WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE, UH, DURING THE DAY AND OR IF THEY WERE TO GO TO SOME TRAINING, UH, THAT WE, WE PROVIDE THE MILEAGE REIMBURSEMENT FOR THEM. SOMETIMES THAT THIS COULD BE MISCONSTRUED AS SAYING THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THE MILEAGE IF WE SEND SOMETHING IN THEIR OWN PERSONAL VEHICLE, IF WE DON'T PROVIDE THAT FOR THEM. UM, CHANGING ALL THOSE AND WE WOULD LIKE TO NOT GET RID OF THE FITNESS PROGRAM. NOT REQUIRED, WHICH JUST WOULD NOW BE SECTION FIVE. DID ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS? UM, OKAY. ARTICLE 21, WHICH IS THE OVERTIME, UH, WE ARE GOING TO SAY NOTE TO THIS AND WE, THAT HOLIDAY AND VACATION, WE STILL APPLY FOR OVERTIME. SO JUST LET Y'ALL KNOW. UM, WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY NO TO THE, THE ARTICLE 32, WHICH IS A WELLNESS AND FITNESS INITIATIVE. UM, AND IN SAYING SO, JUST, JUST TO PROVIDE SOME LIGHT, YOU KNOW, WE WORKED REALLY HARD TO GET ALL THAT STUFF PUT IN THERE AND I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES IT IS HARD TO FIND PEOPLE FOR CERTAIN THINGS, BUT WE WILL GREAT LEEWAY. WE HAVE IN THE PAST, THE REASON WE DIDN'T GET THE FULL MENTAL HEALTH SCOPE UP FOR A WHILE WAS BECAUSE WE WANTED TO FIND COMPETENT PERSONNEL TO DO THIS. WE'RE STILL WILLING TO DO THAT, BUT IF THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE, THERE'S NOTHING TO CHANGE. AND WHEN THE NEXT CITY ADMINISTRATION OR THE NEXT FIRE CHIEF COMES IN, HE CAN'T JUST SAY, OH, WELL OUR INTENT IS TO HAVE A PROGRAM, BUT WE CAN'T FIND IT. SO NO, WE CAN'T FIND IT AGAIN. SO WE DON'T LIKE THIS, THIS WORDING IT JUST BEING INTENT AND THAT'S IT. SO WE'D LIKE TO TURN THAT DOWN JUST TO LET YOU KNOW. UH, NOT ONE, THERE'S SO MUCH PAPERWORK. OKAY. NEXT IS COMPENSATION. UM, OKAY, GOTCHA. WE WOULD LIKE TO STICK WITH A THREE YEAR CONTRACT. SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT CAME UP IN OUR THING IS IF WE WERE TO GO TO A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT, WE'RE GONNA BE NEGOTIATING THREE TIMES IN A FIVE YEAR PERIOD RATHER THAN TWICE IN A SIX YEAR PERIOD. I'D LIKE TO STAY THE THREE YEAR. THESE ARE THE, UH, THE PERCENTAGES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO, TO SEE WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT FROM THE, UH, COMPENSATION STUFF THAT WE GOT BACK. WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS SOMEWHAT IN THE, THE REALM OF WHERE WE SHOULD BE TO STAY IN OUR, OUR CURRENT SITUATION. SO, AND THAT IS IT FOR NOW. UH, ON THE COMPENSATION WE HAD YES. UH, INCLUDED THE RHS STUFF, WE WOULD NOT LIKE TO ISSUE THAT AT THIS TIME. WHAT CAN I ASK? KIND OF YES. THE GENERAL IDEA AND THE REASONING BEHIND THAT. YEAH. SOME OF IT WE DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT LAST TIME. UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET UP TO A CERTAIN POINT AND MIKE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE FAMILIAR WITH, WITH THE ACTUAL, UM, TIMEFRAME AND, AND WHAT'S HAPPENED. SO IF, MIKE, YOU DON'T MIND KIND OF GOING OVER THAT AND, AND WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE HOURS AND THE REASON WE'RE NOT WANTING TO DO THAT. SO IT KIND OF GOES DOWN TO, UH, A LOT OF IT WAS PEOPLE WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO SELL BACK THEIR FULL AMOUNT OF TIME EARLY BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S KIND OF SET UP. AND BEING MANDATORY FOR EVERYBODY IS HARD ON A LOT OF PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE REALLY LIKE ENJOY THAT. I HAVE PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR ME THAT ENJOY THEIR TIME OFF AND I HAVE OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO TELL 'EM TO TAKE THEIR TIME OR THEY'RE GONNA LOSE THEIR TIME TYPE SITUATION. SO IN THIS TELLING EVERYBODY THEY HAVE TO PUT THESE HOURS IN IS GONNA BE STRENUOUS ON A LOT OF PEOPLE. SO, AND HOLISTICALLY, WE LOOK AT, WE TRY TO LOOK AT IT ALL AND WHEN WE, WE LOOK AT, SO WE GO BACK AND WE TALK ABOUT IT AND WHAT'S GOING TO, BY PUTTING CERTAIN VERBIAGE IN THE CONTRACT, WE, WE KNOW THAT BY TALKING TO PEOPLE IT'LL NEVER PASS. SO [00:10:01] WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE OURSELVES THE BEST CHANCE FOR THIS, THE CONTRACT TO PASS AND BE A VALID CONTRACT, RIGHT? MM-HMM . RATHER THAN HAVING TO CONTINUOUSLY GO OVER, OVER OVER IT. SO, UM, AFTER MIKE, WITH A BUNCH OF FOLKS, AARON TALKED WITH A BUNCH OF FOLKS, THEY WERE ABLE TO ATTEND THE, UM, MISSION SQUARE, MISSION SQUARE, UH, UH, TRAINING THING. UM, AND AFTER THAT THEY CAME BACK AND TALKED TO ME ABOUT IT. JAMES WAS ABLE TO TALK TO SOME OF HIS PEOPLE AND ROBERT AS WELL AND EVERYBODY WAS, NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T LIKE THAT. SO FOR US, IT WAS JUST A, EVEN IF THE FIVE OF US SAT HERE AT THIS TABLE, UNANIMOUS, I COULD NEVER PITCH THAT TO A MEMBERSHIP AND GET IT THROUGH. OKAY. SO LEMME MAKE SURE, AND, AND THIS IS MY, WHAT I WANNA BE SURE OF IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE OPPOSED THE IDEA OF THE RETIREMENT HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT, OR WHAT I'VE REALLY HEARD IS YOU'RE OPPOSED TO THE PARAMETERS THAT WERE PROPOSED FOR SURE. OPPOSED TO THE PARAMETERS. MM-HMM . IT'S GONNA BE AN IFFY SALE ON THE WHOLE THING TO THE MEMBERSHIP. SO THE PARAMETERS ARE, YOU KNOW, MOST CITY EMPLOYEES LOOK FORWARD TO THEIR 1440 SALE, OR FOR US IT'S A 1440 SELL BACK. I DON'T KNOW WHAT Y'ALL IS, NINE 80 OR WHATEVER IT IS. UM, EVERYBODY LOOKS FORWARD TO THAT. WELL, THE PARAMETERS WERE SUCH THAT IF A PERSON HAS NOT ALREADY SOLD BACK, THEY WOULD NEVER REACH 1440 TO SELL BACK. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT I WANNA COVER BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I WAS JUST PLAYING WITH THE NUMBERS AND DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND STOP AND PAY ZERO ATTENTION TO THAT. AND SO THE PARAMETERS COULD BE SET THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE 1500 HOURS RIGHT. IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE. SO YOU WOULD ALWAYS HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET YOUR FULL 1440, BUT YOU WOULDN'T. SO SO IF I SOLD BACK, IF I HAD 1500 HOURS AND I'M STUCK IN 1500 HOURS, I HIT MY 17 YEAR, I SELL BACK FOUR 80, YOU ONLY EARN A CERTAIN AMOUNT TO GET BACK TO THAT ONE. SO YOU'RE NEVER GONNA BE, YOU'LL END UP GETTING PAID ONCE YOU LEAVE, BUT YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SELL THE FULL AMOUNT PRIOR TO YOUR RETIREMENT DATE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? BUT IT'S A NUMBER, RIGHT? SO YEAH. I MEAN, SO YOU COULD STRUCTURE IT IN WHAT I MEAN, SO YOU COULD SAY ONCE YOU'RE AT 15, 50 OR HUNDRED, THEN IT'S ONLY THOSE HOURS OVER THAT IT DOES IT NEVER FLIP DROP BELOW 1500. THAT'S, SO THAT'S PART OF IT. RIGHT? OKAY. THE NUMBERS ARE PART OF IT. THE OTHER PART OF IT IS THAT SOME OF OUR MEMBERSHIP IS PROBABLY FOR IT, AND THEN SOME OF OUR MEMBERSHIP IS GONNA BE TOTALLY AGAINST IT AND IT'S PROBABLY GONNA KILL THE CONTRACT IF WE TAKE IT TO THEM. OKAY. I MEAN, AND THAT'S FINE. LIKE I SAID, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I, I THINK THE HSA IS A GREAT IDEA. I DON'T LIKE THE NUMBERS, BUT I THINK THE CONCEPT OF AN HSA IS A GREAT IDEA, RIGHT. BUT I'M A VERY DIFFERENT PERSON THAN SOME OF OUR OTHER PEOPLE. AND IF WE PUT ANYTHING IN THE CONTRACT ANYWHERE THAT'S GONNA MANDATE SOMEONE TO SELL THEIR TIME BACK AT 10 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA STRING US UP ON A FENCE WARRANT. LIKE THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY NOT GONNA BE OKAY WITH IT. AND IT'S NOT JUST THE, THE SICK TIME AS WELL. IT'S THE OTHER STUFF TOO, IF, IF IT MANDATES. 'CAUSE SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANNA SELL IT BACK, RIGHT? MM-HMM . AND SO TO CROSS THE BOARD, YOU EVERYBODY WILL SELL BACK THIS, THIS AND THIS. LIKE I SAID, SOME OF US ARE FOR IT, SOME OF US ARE AGAINST IT. IT'S PROBABLY GONNA KILL US. YEAH. I THINK, I THINK SO FAR WE'VE HEARD A LOT MORE. LIKE I SAID, WHEN WE GO BACK AND TALK, WE'VE HEARD A LOT MORE NEGATIVITY TOWARDS IT RATHER THAN POSITIVITY. AND WE'VE TALKED TO 'EM AND WE'VE TOLD 'EM THIS LIKE, HEY, THESE NUMBERS CAN BE CHANGED. AND I I I, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF GENERALLY SOMETIMES IT MAY BE FROM A, A LACK OF EDUCATIONAL, YOU KNOW, ON ON A HOLISTIC SIDE OF A AN HSA AND WHAT IT'S ABOUT MM-HMM . THEY MAY JUST NOT COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. YEAH. UM, AND LOOKING AT IT, THE, UM, RUNNING THE NUMBERS ON SOMEBODY I WENT TO, MY GUYS THAT WORK FOR ME THAT DON'T HAVE HEALTHCARE WHEN THEY RETIRE MM-HMM . YOU KNOW MM-HMM . AND THEY RAN THE NUMBERS AND AFTER 10 YEARS AND THIS IS WHAT YOU SELL BACK, IT WAS LIKE $50,000 IN AN ACCOUNT. THAT'S NOT THE REPLACEMENT FOR HEALTH INSURANCE. THAT THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD BE IS IF, IF IF THEY RAN THE NUMBERS MAKING A 4% INCREASE OR WHATEVER, UH, CHLOE WHO CAME TO THE MEETING, THAT'S WHAT SHE DID. SHE RAN THE NUMBERS AND SHE HAS, IT'S LIKE $50,000. 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T GET IT UNTIL YOU'RE 10 YEARS AND SHE DOESN'T WANNA WORK LIKE ME 35 YEARS OR WHATEVER I'M GONNA DO. MM-HMM . SHE WANTS TO DO 25 AND OUT MM-HMM . AND SO AT THAT TIME, SHE ONLY HAS 15 YEARS TO DO THAT. SO WHEN SHE DID THE MATH ON IT, IT WASN'T THAT YOU CAN'T PUT MORE OR YOU CAN'T PUT LESS DEPENDING ON WHAT WE DECIDED IT WOULD TO BE, BUT SHE FELT LIKE IT WASN'T ENOUGH COMPARED TO THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT SHE COULD GET OFF. IT'S WORTH MORE TO HER. LIKE NOT EVEN ABOUT THE SELL BACK. HERS IS ABOUT TIME OFF. MM. AND SOME PEOPLE ARE, AND THE YOUNGER GENERATIONS ARE ABOUT THAT. THE OLD GEN XERS THAT JUST WANTED TO WORK, WORK, WORK, WORK, WORK. EVEN US ARE LOOKING AT THE YOUNGER GUYS GOING, OH, THAT'S NICE TO HAVE TIME OFF. SO [00:15:01] I'M DOING THAT MORE NOW, BUT THEY'RE DOING THAT FROM THE BEGINNING NOW. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE WHAT WE USED TO SEE OF THE TIME BANKS GOING SUPER HIGH OR, YOU KNOW, LOSING TIME. MM-HMM . BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. I THINK THAT THIS HAVE SOME VALIDITY TO, UM, MAYBE NOT INCLUDE IT THIS YEAR, BUT MAYBE TALK ABOUT IT AND TRY TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE WE CAN PUT FORWARD IN THE FUTURE. UM, AND IF WE HAVE, I THINK WE HAVE A GROUP OF GUYS WITHIN THE, UH, LOCAL THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO TALK WITH ADMINISTRATION, TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT NU WHAT THOSE NUMBERS COULD BE AND WHAT THE PLAN COULD LOOK LIKE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, NEXT CONTRACT BE ABLE TO PRESENT THAT HOLISTICALLY AND PROPOSE THAT. I THINK THAT'D BE A REALLY GOOD IDEA. AND AN HSA AND PRINCIPAL'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT THE, THE TWO EGREGIOUS THINGS THAT ARE JUST NEVER GET THROUGH THE MEMBERSHIP ARE THE MANDATE AND THE, THE CENTS ON THE DOLLAR, WHICH THEY'RE NEVER GONNA GO FOR IT. YOU KNOW, THEY'LL, THEY'LL, MOST OF 'EM WILL SIGN OFF ON IT FOR THE, THE, UH, CENTS ON THE DOLLAR FOR THE TERMINAL LEAVE IN 35 YEARS. MOST OF 'EM HAVE NO INTENTION OF BEING HERE FOR 35 YEARS. BUT FOR THE, FOR THE HSA, LIKE MOST PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE HERE FOR THAT, THAT PERIOD IN THEIR CAREER. YEAH. LIKE ME, I, I THOUGHT FROM THE BEGINNING I'M DOING 30 PLUS YEARS AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE NOW, LIKE I'M DOING 20 AND MAYBE A LITTLE MORE IF I HAVE TO. SO IT BECOMES A, IT BECOMES A DIFFERENCE. AND MAYBE GENERATION, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANS. YOU KNOW, NOBODY, NOBODY HAS A HUGE OPPOSITION TO THE, THE TERMINAL LEAVE BEING SINCE ON A DOLLAR. 'CAUSE NUMBER ONE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE HERE. AND NUMBER TWO, IT'S NOT MANDATORY. WE PUT THIS IN THERE, IT CENTS ON A DOLLAR MANDATORY AT A TIMEFRAME WHEN YOU ARE GONNA BE HERE. LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING DOLLARS OUTTA THEIR POCKET WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT AT THAT POINT. UM, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. AND LIKE I SAID, I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND OF, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A CONVERSATION TO BE HAD LATER? YES. SURE. YOU KNOW, IF IT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO, TO LOOK AT, UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, FOR SOME PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE IN YOUR CAREER, YOU HAVE MORE OR LESS TIME TO RIGHT. TO PUT MONEY IN AND IN TURN, OBVIOUSLY, DEPENDING ON WHATEVER BANKS YOU WOULD HAVE. THERE'S ALSO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT IT, IT'S THE IDEA THAT THE REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE FOR OUR RETIREMENT HEALTHCARE CONTINUES TO COME UP. WELL, THERE'S ONLY A FEW LIMITED THINGS WE CAN DO BECAUSE IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE. IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE TO EVER PUT PEOPLE BACK ON RETIREE HEALTH AND CARE. THAT'S WHY WE TOOK 'EM OFF TO BEGIN WITH. VERY CLEAR PICTURE, CAN'T AFFORD IT, . SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN OPTION GOING INTO THE FUTURE. AND SO IT'S LIKE, OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THE THINGS WE CAN DO? THOSE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT AND SAY, HEY, THIS WOULD BE AN AVENUE TO BEGIN TO ADDRESS THAT. UM, SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE BE CLEARER, LIKE, OKAY, IT'S THE DOOR SLAM SHUT OR IS IT JUST POLITELY CLOSED RIGHT NOW? . AND, AND IF, IF YOU HAVE THE REASON OF THE QUESTION TODAY, I WAS GONNA CONTACT YOU AT A LATER POINT AND SAY, HEY, THERE IS, THERE IS ROOM FOR, FOR MOVEMENT IN THIS. WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, THAT WE BELIEVE HOLISTICALLY. AND LIKE, LIKE MIKE SAID, AND LIKE AARON SAID, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GO BACK AND TALK TO OUR MEMBERS, IF I, I DON'T GET TO TALK TO ALL 165 PEOPLE. LET'S BE HONEST, I DON'T HAVE TIME TO RUN STATION VISITS AND GO TALK TO EVERYBODY IN THE DEPARTMENT ALL THE TIME. BUT IF I TALK TO 10 OR 20 PEOPLE AND, YOU KNOW, NINE OF THE 10 OR 15 OF THE 20 ARE OPPOSED, THERE'S NO WAY IT'S GONNA PASS THE CONTRACT. SO THERE'S NOT EVEN A REASON TO BRING IT TO THE TABLE, UH, BECAUSE THEN WE'LL JUST END UP IN A NO VOTE AND THEN HAVE TO BE BACK HERE DOING THE SAME THING AGAIN. YEAH. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY TAKE TO HEART AND WE REALLY LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT WE PUT IN HERE, MAKE SURE, MAKING SURE THAT IT'S GOING TO PASS IN THE FIRST GO ROUND. AND WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE PROMOTIONAL STUFF AND THE EDUCATIONAL POINTS. LIKE THAT WAS A HARD SELL FOR OUR MEMBERSHIPS IN THE, WHEN WE DID THAT LAST CONTRACT OR TWO CONTRACTS AGO. AND IT WAS, IT WAS A VERY, VERY HARD SELL. BUT WE THOUGHT IT WAS A POSITIVE. WE SAW THE LIGHT IN IT. WE SAW THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS WHEN JAY WASN'T HERE. WELL YOU THINK HE WAS ASSISTANT MANAGER AT THE TIME, BUT WHEN RICK WAS HERE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, A DEGREE'S A BIG THING. IF THEY'RE GONNA BECOME, THEY'RE GONNA SIT IN THIS GUY'S SHOES. AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GIVING OUR MEMBERS THE FULL OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. BUT IT TAKES TIME TO EXPLAIN IT TO 'EM. 'CAUSE THE GUYS THAT, OR AND GIRLS THAT DON'T HAVE A DEGREE OR DON'T HAVE THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, HEY, THIS MAY BE SOMETHING YOU CAN LOOK FORWARD TO WORK FOR. YOU CAN GET THERE. UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HOLD GENERALLY TRUE TO OURSELVES, AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WE PRESENT THEM IS SOMETHING THAT WE, WE COMPLETELY AGREE WITH AND WE'RE OKAY WITH. AND THAT, THAT WHEN WE PUT TO THE VOTE, GENERALLY EVERY TIME WE DO A CONTRACT, WE, WE'VE TALKED TO MOST PEOPLE IN THE DEPARTMENT AND WE FEEL LIKE IT'S GONNA PASS 80% OR ABOVE. WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE OUR, I TELL 'EM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR 5% THAT I COULD, I, SOMEBODY'S GONNA HAVE VOTE. NOW WE HAVE 5% OF OUR MEMBERSHIP, I CAN HAND 'EM A MILLION DOLLARS. AND THEY SAY, WELL, WHY WASN'T IT TWO? THAT'S JUST HOW PEOPLE ARE SOMETIMES. AND IT'S JUST THE WAY IT'S GONNA GO. SO IF WE STRUCTURED THE HSA, LIKE, LIKE WE PROPOSED WITH THE, UH, SICK TIME SELL BACK LAST TIME WHERE IT WAS VOLUNTARY AND IT WAS DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR. YEAH. WE COULD [00:20:01] GO PITCH THAT RIGHT NOW. I UNDERSTAND. BUT WITH A, WITH A 10 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR AND A MANDATORY THING, IT'S JUST NOT GONNA BE A PALLET. YEAH. YEAH. IS THAT A LAW? THE MANDATORY THE MANDATORY IS A LAW. YEAH. YEAH. I WOULD LOVE TO DO IT. ARE THERE OTHER PRODUCTS? IS THERE SOME OTHER RETIREMENT TYPE OF PRODUCT THAT LIKE THAT, THAT WE COULD LOOK AT? OH, CERTAINLY CAN INVESTIGATE. UM, YOU KNOW, TO FIND, YOU KNOW, IS THERE GONNA BE ANOTHER ONE THAT OFFERS THE TAX ADVANTAGE OF THIS ONE? RIGHT. YEAH, I DON'T THINK SO. UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO REVISIT THE STRUCTURE THAT WE HAD PROPOSED WITH THE SICK TIME, SELL BACK AND LOOK AT DETERMINING WHERE THAT MONEY WOULD BE INVESTED? I, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU, WE WE REVISIT THE PREVIOUS SICK TIME SELL BACK ARTICLE AND SAY THAT, OKAY, WE'LL DO THIS SELL BACK, BUT IT'S GONNA GO IN THIS SPECIFIC FUND. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY IN PLAY IN PLACE OF THE, THE, UH, HEALTHCARE SAVINGS? YEAH. I DON'T KNOW THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE A, LIKE A ROTH IRA OR SOMETHING. SOMETHING. YEAH. I MEAN, AND A ROTH OR, YOU KNOW, THE 4 57, WHICHEVER ONE OR OR ANOTHER NEWLY IDENTIFIED ACCOUNT. BUT IF WE, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE STRUCTURE OF THIS HSA, IT'S A MANDATED ALL OR NOTHING. RIGHT? UH, THE, THE VOL, THE 1440 SELL BACK THAT WE DO IS, IS VOLUNTARY. RIGHT. IF WE EXPANDED ON THAT AND DID THE, A VOLUNTARY ANNUAL SICK TIME SELL BACK AND DETERMINED PREDETERMINED, IF YOU'RE SELLING THIS TIME, IT'S GOING INTO THIS ACCOUNT, NOT CASH IN YOUR HAND, IT'S NOT CASH IN YOUR HAND, IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL PAYING A MEMBER DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR ON THEIR TIME AND MAKING IT VOLUNTARY. BUT YOU GUYS ARE ABLE TO DICTATE THE, THE SOURCE THAT THAT FUNDING WILL GO TO. AND THAT COULD BE, AND, AND, AND I'M STEPPING OUT, I'M STEPPING OUTTA MY, MY WHEELHOUSE HERE AS FAR AS THE FUNDS THAT IT COULD POSSIBLY GO INTO. BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE EARMARKED FOR OR INTENDED TO BE A, A HEALTHCARE FOR HEALTHCARE CARE. UM, I MEAN, I WOULD SAY POTENTIALLY, UM, MORE THE, THE DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR, YOU KNOW, AS WE PROPOSE WITH THE RHS, THE THINGS THAT WE, UH, THE, LIKE THE COMP TIME, UM, THE HOLIDAY TIME, WE'RE, WE'RE PAYING THAT DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND, AND SO THAT, SO COULD WE POTENTIALLY LOOK AT AN ANNUAL SELL BACK ON THOSE OR SOMETHING THAT'S DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR DESIGNATED SOMEWHERE, UM, SO THAT IT CAN BE VOLUNTARY INSTEAD OF MANDATED? UH, POSSIBLY. AND, AND FOR, FOR TRANSPARENCY, THE, THE, THE ORIGIN OF THIS IDEA FOR US ANYWAY WAS MY LITTLE BROTHER WORKS FOR THE CITY OF LAPORTE AND THEY, THEY DO EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ANNUAL SELL BACK. SO ANNUALLY THEY WOULD SELL BACK. IT WOULD BE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO, TO, UM, UM, DICTATE, IT'S NOT THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR. THEY WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, SAY, HEY, THIS YEAR I INTEND TO SELL BACK MM-HMM . AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THAT, UH, THAT REQUEST IN THE SPRING BEFORE THE BUDGET WAS SET MM-HMM . AND THEN THAT WAY IT WAS BUDGETED FOR. AND THEN, AND THEN IN THE FALL AFTER, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE NEW FISCAL YEAR STARTS, THEY'D HAD TIME TO BUDGET FOR IT. AND THEN THAT CHECK, THAT CHECK GOT CUT IN IN THE FALL SOMETIME. WELL, THEY WERE, THEY WERE PAYING OUT AN ACTUAL CHECK, WHICH WOULD BE GREAT IF WE WERE WILLING TO DO THAT, BUT WE BROUGHT THAT TO THE TABLE. IT WASN'T AGREEABLE ON Y'ALL SIDE. IF WE COULD RESTRUCTURE SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO THAT AND PUT IT TOWARDS A HEALTHCARE ISH FUND, I, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S MUCH MORE PALATABLE FOR BOTH OF THE REASONS THAT I TALKED ABOUT THE, THE PERCENTAGES AND ALSO THE FACT THAT IT WOULD BE VOLUNTARY. AND IF YOU'RE DOING, IF YOU'RE STRUCTURING IT THAT WAY AND IT'S NOT STRAIGHT INTO AN HSA DESIGNATION LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK THAT WOULD POSSIBLY, AND I'M, I'M MAYBE OVERSTEPPING MY BOUNDS AGAIN. I THINK THAT POSSIBLY GETS YOU OUT OF THE ALL OR NOTHING SCENARIO. MM-HMM . E EITHER WAY, I, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE PUT IN THIS COUNTRY, BUT THOSE ARE, I THINK WE COULD COME UP WITH SOME REALLY GOOD IDEAS FOR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO MEET ON SEPARATELY ANOTHER TIME, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT WE CAN DO, WHAT PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND OR, UH, LIKE ACCOUNTS TYPE THING THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR THAT TYPE OF THING. YEAH. I THINK IT BENEFITS BOTH SIDES OF THE TABLE REALLY, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S OBVIOUSLY BE A BENEFIT FOR US. IT'S LOWERING YOUR, ON Y'ALL SIDE, IT'S LOWERING THE UNFUNDED LIABILITY AND THEN IT'S, IT'S TAKING THOSE OUT WHERE IT'S REMOVING THOSE HOURS FROM OUR BANKS WHERE THEY WOULD BE PAYING US [00:25:01] DOLLAR, DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR VERSUS IF IT WAS SITTING ON MY BOOKS AND GETTING BURNED, YOU KNOW, LIKE I CALL OFF SICK, BUT NOW I'M GETTING BACK FILLED AT TIME AND A HALF. SO YOU GUYS ARE PAYING TWO AND A HALF TIMES FOR THAT HOUR. YEAH. YOU KNOW, PLUS THE PERCENTAGES ON TMRS AND ALL THAT STUFF. UM, I THINK IT BENEFITS US BOTH. YEAH. I'M NOT, UM, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO WANDERING DOWN THAT PATH AND, AND SEEING , I MEAN, QUESTION MARKS VERY MUCH WHAT'S, I MEAN, I'LL TELL YOU PERSONALLY, I'M LIKE, WHY YOU LOSE ALL YOUR TAX ADVANTAGES OF DOING AN RHS BECAUSE I MEAN, IT'S NO TAXES GOING IN, NO TAXES COMING OUT AND NO TAXES WALLET EARNS. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO I'M LIKE, MM, . BUT AGAIN, THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH THAT IS BECAUSE IT, IT IS A, A MANDATED OF WHATEVER THE PARAMETERS ARE. I MEAN THAT WHOEVER FALLS INTO THE BUCKET HAS TO PARTICIPATE. SO, UM, SO I DEFINITELY GET THAT PART OF IT. UM, SO YEAH, LIKE I SAID, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT THE ONE, ONE THING THAT THAT THEY TOLD ME THAT REALLY DIDN'T SIT WELL WITH ME IN THAT MEETING THAT WE HAD WITH THEM WAS THE FACT OF THE LEGISLATION AND THE, YOU KNOW, I'M ALREADY LIKE MY ICMA OR MISSION SQUARE MONEY, THAT IS ONE THING I CAN GIVE TO MY KIDS, RIGHT? MM-HMM . WELL WITH THE HSAI GET IT. MY WIFE GETS IT, THEN NOBODY GETS IT. IT GOES BACK IN THE SYSTEM. THAT'S THE ONE THING, AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE GOVERNMENT THING BECAUSE OF THE TAXES AND ALL THAT. BUT THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT REALLY GOT ME GOING. UH, I CAN'T PASS IT ON. YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT? YEAH. NO, AND THAT'S MY, BUT THEY SAID THEY'RE WORKING ON LEGISLATION WITH THAT, WHICH MIGHT MAKE ME FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT. RIGHT. BUT, AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN I ASKED THE QUESTION, UM, BECAUSE I ASKED WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY, BECAUSE IT GOES BACK TO THE CITY. YEAH. AND SO THE CITY COULD DESIGNATE IT SO WE COULD WRITE IT INTO THE PLAN. THAT'D BE SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY COULD LOOK AT. 'CAUSE THAT, THAT REALLY MADE ME FEEL UGH. YEAH. YOU KNOW, UM, YEAH. WHICH I A HUNDRED PERCENT GET. 'CAUSE IT, IT IS A LITTLE ODD AND WE KNOW THAT'S HOW TMRS WORKS AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE SYSTEM SUSTAINABLE, WHICH IS FINE, BUT THE EXTRA, THE 4 57 AND EVERYTHING ELSE ALONG WITH HSA OR NOT WITH HSA, BUT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, I CAN AT LEAST PASS THAT ON. NOT THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE MY KIDS RICH, I'M GONNA SPEND MY MONEY, BUT RIGHT. RIGHT. YEAH. BUT IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN TO ME, YOU KNOW? THAT'S RIGHT. AT LEAST. YEAH. AT LEAST IT GOES JUST LIKE MY DAD. SORRY. HE SAID, I HOPE YOU DON'T LIKE MONEY. I'M SPENDING EVERYTHING I HAVE. HEY, I TELL, I TELL HIM JUST LIKE HE TELLS YOU. TELL HIM. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, VERY GOOD. THANK YOU FOR, FOR THAT. YES, MA'AM. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE AT THIS TIME. OKAY. UM, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO [b. Consider the City of Baytown's collective bargaining proposals. ] B, UM, WHICH IS OUR PROPOSALS. AND THEN WE CAN TAKE A CAUCUS, HAVE THIS AS WELL. UH, LET ME FIRST ONE OF THESE. THIS IS THIS. OKAY. SO THIS IS THE POST HIRING ARTICLE 10, WHICH Y'ALL COUNTED WITH TODAY. ALMOST GOLDEN. YOU BETTER GET IT. I, I KNOW I, AFTER YOU SAID THAT, I'M LIKE, I, YOU SAW ME PANIC. I WAS LIKE THERE LEFT OF PAPERCLIP SEVEN DIFFERENT DESKS TO FIND SOME PAPER CLIPS. UH, ALL RIGHT , THIS IS THE POST TOWERING REQUIREMENTS AND UH, SO Y'ALL DID COUNT. YOU HAVE A, SORRY, I'M KEEPING A COPY. Y'ALL GONNA SHARE . UM, SO Y'ALL COUNTED, SO THIS, AS I UNDERSTAND, JOEY'S GONNA CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. UM, I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE DONE FIRST KIND OF ALIGNED WITH EACH OTHER. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. I'M GONNA GIVE YOU THIS ONE TOO. OKAY. SO THAT WE CAN ALL BE CONFUSED TOGETHER. . UM, ALRIGHT, SO THIS WAS THE PROCEED. DO WHAT? JUST ACCIDENTALLY AGREE. YEAH. UM, OKAY. SO THE PROCEDURES FOR FILLING A BEGINNING POSITION, Y'ALL HAD COUNTERED LAST TIME WITH ADDING IN THE OPTION, UH, FOR JUST FIREFIGHTER CERTIFICATION, UM, AS ANOTHER TIER. SO THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PROCEDURES FOR FILLING AT BEGINNING POSITION. FOLLOWING THAT THEN THE POST POWER [00:30:01] RETENTION REQUIREMENTS WERE MODIFIED TO REFLECT THOSE CHANGES AS WELL. OKAY. SO IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF CHANGES, BUT I BELIEVE WHERE WE HAVE LANDED IS WE TOOK Y'ALL'S PROPOSAL FROM LAST TIME AND INCORPORATED IT INTO THESE TWO PARTICLES. SO THAT'S WHAT THOSE ARE. OKAY. DID I SAY ALL THAT RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. GOOD JOB, CAROL. ALL RIGHT. UM, THE LAST THING, UM, THAT I WANTED TO WALK THROUGH. SO THIS IS NOT A PROPOSAL PER SE, THIS IS MORE OF A CHEAT SHEET. UM, AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE WERE AT WITH EVERYTHING, UM OH, GOTCHA. OKAY. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. UM, WE HAD A CLEAR PICTURE. WE'VE DONE QUITE A FEW TAS. SO THOSE ARE ALL LISTED AT THE TOP. EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE ALREADY AGREED ON THE OPEN ITEMS ARE THE THINGS THAT, SOME OF WHICH WE DISCUSSED TODAY. UM, OTHER ONES ARE STILL, UM, OUT THERE I THINK. UM, SO THESE ARE ALL OF THE THINGS WE HAD OUR THIRD MEETING LAST TIME. SO THESE ARE EVERYTHING THAT IS PROPOSED FOR THE NEW CONTRACT. UM, IF IT'S NOT ON HERE THEN IT HAS NOT BEEN PROPOSED TO GO INTO THE CONTRACT. SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD A CLEAR LISTING OF OUR, ALL OF THE ARTICLES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED FROM EITHER SIDE, UM, TO GO INTO THE NEW CONTRACT. MAKES SENSE. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED, THEN WE'LL TAKE A CAUCUS. BUT ANY QUESTIONS FROM EITHER SIDE? OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE A CAUCUS OPEN EARLIER IT. ALRIGHTY, WE'RE BACK TO CALL THE RECORD. ALRIGHT. EASY PEASY. WE AGREE WITH ALL THIS EXCEPT FOR ONE THING. OKAY. ONE SMALL THING. UM, ON THE BACK OF THIS POST HIRING REQUIREMENTS, CAN WE CHANGE FIREFIGHTER COURT TO TCFP COURSE? UM, JUST DENOTING 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT THE HAZMAT COURSE IS NOT A FIREFIGHTER COURSE. IT'S A-T-C-F-P COURSE. SO IT WOULD BE IN, UH, I GUESS WHAT IS THAT SIX ONE OR STEVE, WERE YOU OKAY WITH THAT CHIEF? SORRY, WHICH ONE IS IT? TRYING TO ENSURE THAT THE TASK FIREFIGHTER COURSE TWO CORPS SINCE, SINCE HAZMAT WAS GONNA BE REQUIRED ALSO HE WAS GONNA TREAT HAZMAT LOOK JUST THE SAME AS THE FIREFIGHTER COURSE. WE DIDN'T WANT THE FIREFIGHTER TO EXCLUDE THE HAZMAT. THIS IS 27TH. I STARTED TO WRITE 1995 WHAT? 1995? THAT WAS THAT WAS A GOOD YEAR. SEE WAS GONNA READ IT. WE ARE GOOD WITH THE, UH, SORRY I PUT THAT ON THE LAST PAGE. IT DOESN'T MATTER. UM, WE ARE, UH, GOOD WITH ARTICLE 36, [00:35:01] THE JOB PRESENTED. OKAY. I'M NOT VERY GOOD AT SPELLING APPARENTLY. ALRIGHT. UM, SO WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK ON THE CONFIDENCE QUESTION AND THE PROMOTION PART. WE, ON THE WELLNESS INITIATIVE, UM, WE ARE PROPOSING, I THINK BOTH PARTIES ARE, UH, IN AGREEMENT THAT THAT ARTICLE NEEDS TO BE REVIVED, REDONE, WHATEVER. UM, AND JUST LIKE WE DID WHEN WE INITIALLY DID THAT ARTICLE, WE HAD A COMMITTEE THAT WORKED OUTSIDE OF THE TABLE, UM, TO KIND OF WALK THROUGH AND PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL, YOU ARE MOVING TOWARDS THE SAME GOALS AND STUFF. AND, UM, SO WE WOULD PROPOSE AGAIN THAT WE GO AHEAD AND HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS OUTSIDE OF THE MEETING AND SEE IF WE CAN'T, UM, FIGURE OUT WHAT NEEDS TO CHANGE AND GET SOMETHING TOGETHER FOR THAT. UM, WE'RE ALSO OPEN IF THE REST OF THE CONTRACT IS READY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THAT ARTICLE, UM, THAT, THAT ONE JUST CONTINUE TO WORK UNTIL IT'S DONE AND THEN WE WOULD JUST BRING IT BACK AS IN A MINUTE. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. UM, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE DID THE LAST ONE WE CREATED THAT THING. SO YEAH, IT JUST REMAINS THE SAME. YEAH. SO I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. OKAY. UM, AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER ONE, UM, THAT Y'ALL MENTIONED TODAY WAS THE OVERTIME ARTICLE. AND SO WE WILL, UM, BRING A PROPOSAL BACK ON THAT ONE THE NEXT TIME. I KNOW WE PROPOSED A SECTION AND Y'ALL HAD PROPOSED CHANGES IN A SECTION, BUT, UM, THE QUALITY OF THAT ARTICLE NEEDS TO BE PRESENTED, UM, AND, AND AGREED ONE, SO, AND THEN, UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER ONES THAT ARE KIND OF CONTINGENT ON THE COMPENSATION STUFF. SO, UM, SO THAT IS ALL THAT WE HAVE IN TERMS OF ARTICLES. OKAY. SOUNDS GREAT. [c. Consider setting the time and date for the next collective bargaining session.] LOOKING TO SCHEDULE OUR NEXT MEETING. UM, SO WE ACTUALLY HAD, UM, AUGUST 5TH, AUGUST 6TH. BUT I KNOW, BUT YOU JUST SAID YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE HERE. I DEFINITELY WILL NOT. UM, SO AUGUST THE FIFTH, UH, WE'RE OPEN FROM EIGHT TO 10. THAT WORKS FOR Y'ALL. IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THE FIFTH? I'D SAY TUESDAY, B SHIFT. JUST FIND SOMEBODY ELSE THAT CAN RUN THE MEETING IN THE MORNING. 10 OR NINE, EIGHT TO 10? EIGHT. NO EIGHT. EIGHT TO 10. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH, WE'LL DO EIGHT TO 10. OKAY. THIS FIFTH. SOUNDS GREAT. ALL RIGHT, WELL WITH THAT WE WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.