Jul 08, 2025 COLLECTIVE BARGAINING SESSION

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ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN

[ CITY OF BAYTOWN NOTICE OF MEETING COLLECTIVE BARGAINING SESSION BETWEEN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN AND THE BAYTOWN PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS' ASSOCIATION TUESDAY, JULY 8, 2025 10:30 A.M. BAYTOWN CONFERENCE ROOM, BAYTOWN CITY HALL 2401 MARKET STREET, BAYTOWN, TEXAS 77520 AGENDA CALL TO ORDER AND ANNOUNCEMENT OF QUORUM ]

IT IS TUESDAY, JULY THE EIGHTH, 2025, AND IT IS ABOUT 10:30 PM WHEN WE'RE STARTING.

FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS CITIZEN COMMENTS.

THERE ARE NONE.

SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM

[a. Consider the Baytown Professional Firefighters' Association's collective bargaining proposals.]

OKAY, PERFECT.

UH, YEAH.

NOW WE WANT TO PROPOSE ARTICLE 26, CHANGE TO ARTICLE 26.

THIS IS OUR PROMOTIONAL ARTICLE.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'D LIKE TO DO WITH THE SENIORITY POINTS IS, UH, I'VE LISTED OUT IN HERE, UM, WHEN THE MEMBER PROMOTES TO THE RANK OF DRIVER, WE GET SENIORITY POINTS ONE TO 10 FOR EACH OF YEAR SERVICE.

THEY'VE BEEN IN AN APARTMENT AND WE'D LIKE THAT TO RESET WHEN THEY HIT DRIVER AND START AT ONE AGAIN.

SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO, TO GET THE FULL 10 POINTS, THEY WOULD'VE TO GO 10 YEARS AS THE DRIVER AND THEN BROUGHT THE CAPTAIN, 10 YEARS CAPTAIN TO GO AT 10 POINT SENIORITY BASED ON AND RANK AND RANK.

NO TOTAL.

AND THE REASONING BEHIND IT'S LAST YEAR WHEN WE TESTED, WE HAD SO MANY DRIVERS THAT HAD 10 POINTS.

IT'S NOT A TIEBREAKER, IT'S NOT A TIEBREAKER ANYMORE.

MOST OF OUR DRIVERS ARE, HAVE BEEN IN THE DEPARTMENT 10 YEARS PLUS.

SO IT'S A HUGE, YOU KNOW, MOOT POINT TO HAVE.

IT ALSO GIVES THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE MORE SENIORITY THAT PROBABLY ARE BETTER, NOT BETTER AT MORE TIME DOING THAT JOB ACCESS TO THE NEXT POSITION.

YEAH.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO LOOK AT.

SORRY.

YEAH.

OH, YOU, UM, ARTICLE 33, UM, THE TERMINAL LEAVE ARTICLE.

UM, WE, THE, THE INITIAL ARTICLE IS, IS SET AT 30 YEARS AT 10 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR.

WE'D LIKE TO TRY TO SEE SOME MOVEMENT TO TRY TO HELP UTILIZE THAT.

UM, IF THEY CAN.

UH, WE'RE PROPOSING IS A 25 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR AT 30 YEARS AND THEN MAYBE CHANGING IT TO 25 YEARS, YOU GET 10 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR.

UM, OKAY.

UM, THIS IS ARTICLE 40, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY OUR REOPENER.

OKAY.

WE'D LIKE TO TAKE THAT OUT 'CAUSE WE'D LIKE A MULTI-YEAR CONTRACT WITH EVERYTHING STATED, NOT HAVE TO DO A REOPENER, THIS WOULD BE PREFERRED.

OKAY.

ON THIS ONE, THIS IS COMPLETELY NEW.

SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE.

NOW WE HAVE PROPOSED THIS BEFORE.

WE DID A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF CHANGING TO IT.

UM, WE'VE TALKED WITH A LOT OF CITY ENTITIES AND A LOT OF Y'ALL ABOUT, UM, CITY TIME AND HOW, HOW MUCH WE ACCRUE AND HOW MUCH IS ON THE BOOKS AND TRYING TO GET THAT NUMBER DOWN.

UM, WE'D LIKE TO TRY TO INCENTIVIZE A SICK TIME SELL BACK TO WHERE MEMBERS WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 500 HOURS IN THEIR BANK TO, TO UTILIZE SELLING BACK ANYTIME IF, IF POSSIBLE.

UM, THE MAXIMUM FOR PEOPLE ON SHIFT WOULD BE UP TO 120 HOURS TO SELL BACK.

UM, IF YOU'RE IN THE OFFICE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM IN YOUR BANK OF 350 HOURS AND YOU COULD ONLY, YOU COULD SELL BACK 80 HOURS.

UM, SO FOR INSTANCE, IF A MEMBER IN THE OFFICE HAD 360 HOURS AND THEY, ONE TIME A YEAR THEY'D LIKE TO SELL BACK, THEY WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO SELL BACK 10 HOURS.

THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SELL BACK THE FULL 80.

UM, WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS WOULD BRING SOME OF WHAT SIX TIMES BANK DOWN TO WHERE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THIS ASTRONOMICALLY ACCRUED, YOU KNOW, THREE OR 4,000 HOURS OF TIME.

WE CAN CONSTANTLY START TAKING AWAY AT THIS TO GET IT DOWN FOR Y'ALL.

UM, INSIDE OF THAT, THE MEMBER HAS TO HESITATE TO THE FIREMAN NO LATER THAN AUGUST 1ST OF EACH CALENDAR YEAR THAT THEIR INTENT WAS TO SELL BACK AND HOW MANY HOURS DID THEY HAVE AND THEIR INTENT TO HAVE MUCH THEY WANNA SELL BACK.

SO, OKAY.

AND THAT IS THE FOUR ARTICLES THAT WE HAVE TO PRESENT.

OKIE DOKIE.

UM, AND WE'RE FULLY UNDERSTANDING THAT PROBABLY THIS IS NOT GONNA BE TH .

LET ME, UM, PAUSE FOR JUST A MOMENT.

OKAY.

UM,

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VOICE.

UM, AND I'LL JUST TELL YOU BECAUSE ONE SECOND.

UM, A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT YOU PRESENTED OVERLAP WITH SOME OF THE THINGS WE WERE GONNA PRESENT.

OKAY.

UM, SO I'M GONNA HOLD ON THOSE, UM, FOR A MOMENT AND WE'LL TAKE CUS IN JUST A LITTLE BIT.

BUT, UM, LEMME GO AHEAD AND PRESENT THESE OTHER ARTICLES SO THAT CAUCUS, UM, NOW HE'S GONNA GET SETTLED IN .

OKAY.

SO PROCEDURALLY, IF I'M GONNA PRESENT, I NEED TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO ITEM

[b. Consider the City of Baytown's collective bargaining proposals.]

AND THEN WE CAN CAU THIS AND TALK ABOUT BOTH.

MM-HMM .

ALL OF IT.

ALRIGHT.

MAKE SURE WE DOING THIS RIGHT, .

ALRIGHT.

SO WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ONTO TO ITEM TWO B, WHICH IS TO CONSIDER CITY OF BAY TOWN'S COLLECTIVE BARGAIN PURPOSE.

SO, UM, THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE, AND I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU THE RED LINE VERSION AS WELL AS WELL.

UM, SO THIS IS POST HIRING REQUIREMENTS.

UM, SO TOOK OUT SOME OF THE LANGUAGE AND CLEANED UP SOME THINGS AROUND, UM, THE, UH, FIRST PARAGRAPH, WHICH WENT BACK TO 2013 WHEN, UM, SOME OF THIS WAS IMPLEMENTED AND THEN HAD SOME LANGUAGE AROUND, UM, THE EMTP AND THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON FIRE PROTECTION, CLEANING THAT UP.

UM, AND THEN ADDING IN, UM, THE PARAGRAPH THAT SPEAKS TO, UH, ANYONE HIRED AFTER OCTOBER 1ST, 2025 WHEN YOU, UH, GET THEIR HAZMAT, UH, TECH CERTIFICATION.

SO THAT'S THE RED LINE VERSION, SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, EXACTLY WHAT CHANGED.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO, UH, THIS NEXT ITEM, ARTICLE 11 IS RELOCATION, UH, EXPENSES.

SO THIS IS JUST SOME, UH, CLEAN UP LANGUAGE.

WE HAD A SIMILAR ARTICLE IN THE POLICE CONTRACT, CLEANED IT UP THE SAME TO PUT A TIME LIMIT AROUND WHEN THEY, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU, HOW LONG DO YOU HAVE TO FILE FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT? 60 DAYS, AND THEN ALSO TO PROVIDE THAT, YOU ONLY GET THIS ONCE DURING YOUR EMPLOYMENT WITH THE CITY AND MOVE IN AND OUT AND IN AND OUT GETTING PAID FOR.

SO THAT'S WHAT DATA DOES.

ALL RIGHT, THE NEXT ITEM IS ARTICLE 25.

SO THIS IS PERSONNEL REDUCTION.

UM, AND THE ONLY CHANGE HERE IS THE ADDITION OF, UH, FOR A ONE YEAR PERIOD OR A THREE YEAR PERIOD REFERENCE TO 1 43.

UM, SO JUST A LITTLE CLEAN LANGUAGE THERE TO BE IN LINE WITH 1 43.

GOTCHA.

SO THE RED IS WHAT'S ADDED? YES.

YEAH, THAT WAS THE ONLY CHANGE TO THAT.

THE NEXT ARTICLE IS ARTICLE 32, WHICH IS THE WELLNESS INITIATIVE.

AND I AM GOING TO HAND YOU THIS PIECE OF PAPER AND THEN LET THE, OUR CHIEF, UM, THIS WAS, UM, LIKE ANOTHER ARTICLE BEFORE AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T, THAT WE TRIED TO HIT THAT WE DIDN'T HIT, AND SOME THINGS WE DIDN'T.

SO WE THOUGHT WE WOULD JUST KIND OF MAKE IT MORE GENERAL THAT WE WORK TOGETHER.

UM, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD AND THIS PROGRAM WOULD BE DEVELOPED.

WE WOULD STILL MAINTAIN THE LABOR MANAGEMENT FITNESS INITIATIVE, BUT, UM, THAT IN HERE, YOU KNOW, GOALS, UM, GOALS, CITY IMPROVE, MAINTAIN THEIR PHYSICAL HEALTH

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SO, UM, SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT WE'LL WORK ON, UM, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ADDRESSING THESE THINGS.

BUT THEY'LL SPELL EM OUT.

SO SPECIFICALLY LAST TIME THAT WE KIND OF STRUGGLED, UM, WE STRUGGLED HIT SOME OF THE MARKS.

SO IT, IT'S MUCH MORE SIMPLIFIED, BUT STILL VERY IMPORTANT TO US TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO THIS IS TO REPLACE THE, THE OTHER ONE? CORRECT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UH, THE NEXT ARTICLE IS 35.

THIS IS THE FAR EMS MERGER.

THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THIS AND THERE WILL BE NO CHANGES, UM, TO THE APPENDIX FEE THAT ACCOMPANIES THIS.

UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE IT BACK IN CONTRACT.

ALL RIGHT, THE NEXT ARTICLE IS ARTICLE 36.

SO THIS IS MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS.

AND SO THIS, UM, SO SECTION ONE, NO CHANGE TO THAT ON THE BULLETIN BOARDS.

SECTION TWO PREVIOUSLY WAS COPIES OF THE AGREEMENT.

IT JUST CALLS THE PROVIDING COPIES.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED THAT LANGUAGE ANYMORE.

DIRECT DEPOSIT, UM, WAS ALSO WRITTEN IN HERE.

UM, IT'S REALLY OUR ONLY OPTION IF YOU WANNA GET PAID.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED LANGUAGE IN THE CONTRACT FOR THAT.

THE MILEAGE REIMBURSEMENT, UM, TO GO BETWEEN STATIONS.

UH, WE HAVE REMOVED THAT THE INFORMATION, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY REMAINS UNCHANGED.

THE LABOR MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE REMAINS UN AND THEN, UM, SECTION SEVEN, WHICH IS THE FITNESS PROGRAM NOT REQUIRED.

UM, WE REMOVED THAT BECAUSE OF THE WELLNESS ARTICLE.

SO, ALL RIGHT, NEXT ITEM IS THE PROCEDURES FOR FILLING, UH, BEGINNING POSITIONS.

AND SO THIS IS UPDATING THE LANGUAGE TO HAVE TWO WAYS TO HIRE EITHER HIRING DUAL CERTIFIED OR JUST A SINGLE CERTIFICATION.

UM, SO THAT IS HOW THIS IS WRITTEN TO ACCOMMODATE THAT SO THAT, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHAT'S NEEDED, NUMBER, POSITIONS, WHATEVER ELSE, UM, THAT CAN BE DECIDED PRIOR TO THE POSTING AND THEN THE LANGUAGE FOLLOWS THAT AND THAT.

OKAY.

UM, AND SO THAT'S THE ONLY MATERIAL CHANGE THERE.

DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? UH, WHAT ARTICLE SAYS THIS WAS WHEN WE, IT WAS AN AMENDMENT, AMENDMENT TO THE CONTRACT WHEN WE WENT TO DO THE ALTERNATE PROCESS THROUGH NT N TO HIRE PEOPLE.

OH, OKAY.

THIS WAS THAT.

OKAY.

SO IT'S NOT AN ALL MOU AT THE TIME.

OKAY.

YEAH.

SO WE WOULD INCORPORATE, AND THERE WAS SUNSET LANGUAGE IN THE AMENDMENT THAT WE MADE THAT IT WAS SET TO END AT THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR.

IF Y'ALL REMEMBER PUTTING THAT IN.

THIS IS MORE FORMALIZING IT.

AND THEN THE LAST ARTICLE TO PRESENT FOR THIS MOMENT, UM, IS THE LATERAL BASED PAGE ARTICLE.

AND THIS IS LARGELY THE CLEANUP LANGUAGE, UM, PER CLARIFI SLASH PARAMEDIC TO JUST VERIFY HER.

OKAY.

SO THOSE ARE ALL OF THE ARTICLES FOR RIGHT NOW.

UM, THEY SAID WE WILL TALK THIS AND DISCUSS WHAT Y'ALL, YES, ABSOLUTELY.

PRESENT IT.

AND THEN LIKE I SAID, UM, WE WILL HAVE SOME, I BELIEVE WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO SAY IF WE'RE STILL READY, UM, TO PRESENT SOME OF OUR OTHER ARTICLES WHEN, OKAY.

UH, WHICH COUNCIL CHAMBERS GET OR COUNCIL CHAMBER.

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WE WILL RECONVENE, UM, THE MEETING.

OKAY.

UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ARTICLE 11.

WE'RE COMPLETELY OKAY WITH ARTICLE 11.

WE'D LIKE TO SEE ON THAT.

WE'RE JUST GONNA BRING THE, WE'D LIKE TO FIRST, SO I DUNNO IF YOU THIS, I DUNNO IF YOU WANT THEM ON.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT I SAY.

DO TWO COPIES.

UH, ARTICLE 25 PERSONNEL REDUCTION.

YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT? UH, EVERGREEN.

I ONLY HAVE ONE OF THESE.

OKAY.

HAVE ANOTHER ONE.

HAVE ANOTHER ONE.

HAVE ANOTHER ONE.

WE HAVE EVERGREEN LATERAL FACE PAPER.

I JUMP TO THE END OF THE MONTH.

, LIKE I'M ALREADY DONE WITH JULY .

OH, OKAY.

SO THESE OTHER ONES WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS, WE THINK THEY KIND OF ALONG TOGETHER.

SO IT'S NOT OUT OF ORDER, BUT IT IS OUT ORDER A LITTLE BIT.

I MEAN, OKAY.

JUMP IN GUYS.

IF I MISS ANYTHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

UM, SO WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO SOME OF THIS, SOME OF THIS WE ARE A LITTLE BIT OPPOSED TO INSIDE OF THIS AMENDMENT.

WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO HAVE A THIRD TEST IF WE EVER CHOOSE TO A FIREFIGHTER BASIC RIGHT.

TO HIRE THAT.

UM, WE DON'T WANT TO HANDCUFF YOU GUYS INTO ONLY BEING ABLE TO HIRE WHATEVER CERTIFICATION, BUT WE THINK THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE AN EMS CERTIFICATION OF SOME SORT NO MATTER WHAT WE, SO IF WE'RE EVER, EVER TO HAVE TO GO DOWN TO THE FIREFIGHTER BASIC RANGE, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO PUT THAT LANGUAGE IN HERE.

UM, AND WE ARE NOT QUITE SURE HOW LEGAL TO LIKE TO WORD THAT.

SO, UM, IT COULD PROBABLY BE UNDER THE SINGLE JOB POSTING OR CERTIFICATION OF JOB POSTING JUST IN ANOTHER SUBJECT AND MAYBE NOT SUB ONE.

UM, BUT THEY MAY ALSO HAVE A FIREFIGHTER BASIC WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED, OR EVEN UNDER THE DUAL CERTIFIED, THEY FIREFIGHTER BASIC, WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED OF IS BUILDING A STATION, STATION EIGHT COMES ALONG, TRYING TO GET THAT MANY PEOPLE HIRED AT ONE TIME.

IT'S HARD TO DO.

SO GIVING Y'ALL ANOTHER OPTION TO HIRE, NOT THAT YOU HAVE HAVE YOUR HANDS TIED, YOU GET TO PICK WHICH ONE YOU WANT, BUT OPTIONS THAT WAY YOU CAN CHANGE OR JUST WHATEVER WORKS BEST.

YEAH.

AND LIKE IT WOULD BE THE SAME AS IS NOW THE CHIEF SOLIDIFIES THAT HE WANTS TO HIRE DUAL CERTIFIED ONLY AND WE JUST HAD A PARAMEDIC TEST ONLY, UM, THAT HE WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, I WANT, YOU KNOW, I, WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY OF THOSE.

WE GOTTA FILL SPOTS.

WE GO DOWN THE FIREFIGHTER BASIC RANK, BUT SIDE OF THAT TOO.

UM, IT KIND OF COINCIDES WITH THIS ONE A LITTLE BIT.

UM, THE SCRATCH TWO, YOUR PARAMEDIC ONE THING.

YEAH.

WITH THE SCRATCH FOR THE PARAMEDIC CERTIFICATION, IF WE WERE TO GO TO HIRE FIRE FIREFIGHTER BASICS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THEY GET THAT PARAMEDIC CERTIFICATION.

SO THIS WOULD HAVE TO STAY IN THERE AND THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

AND THIS SECTION OF THE, THE NEW SECTION OF THE EMPLOYEE MUST APPOINTED THE POSITION AND FIRE DEPARTMENT MUST HOLD OR OBTAIN THE VALID TEXAS STATE CERTIFICATION OR PARAMEDIC WITHIN ONE MONTH OF DATE OF HIRE.

WE THINK THAT IS APPLICABLE WITHIN THE SINGLE CERTIFIED ROLE WHERE, AND WE KNOW SOMEBODY'S GETTING THEIR STUFF DONE, THAT THAT WOULD APPLY THERE.

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AND THIS ARTICLE WOULD, OR THIS PART OF THIS ARTICLE WOULD BE REFERENCED TO THE SINGLE CERTIFIED PARAMEDIC ONLY.

OKAY.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MM-HMM .

I'M TRYING TO KNOW.

YEAH.

UM, SO IF WE AGREED TO ADDING A THIRD TIER OF FIREFIGHTER ONLY THEN WE WOULD NEED TO ADJUST THIS LANGUAGE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

YEAH.

BECAUSE WE, IF WE DID, IF WE DID A FIREFIGHTER, IF WE ADDED A FIREFIGHTER BASIC SECTION INTO THIS AT THE BOTTOM OR WHEREVER, BECAUSE TECHNICALLY IT WOULD BE A DUAL CERTIFICATION.

IF IT'S A FIREFIGHTER BASIC, IT'S TECHNICALLY FIREFIGHTER BASIC E EMT YEAH.

BASIC EMT UM, WOULD BE A DUAL CERTIFICATION THAT WOULD NEED TO REFERENCE OR THIS, THIS SECTION THAT'S MARKED OUT HERE WOULD NEED TO REFERENCE JUST THAT SPECIFIC FIREFIGHTER EMT BASIC.

BUT THEY WOULD STILL HAVE SOME TIME BECAUSE WE WANT BE ABLE TO, IF THE CHIEF NEEDS TO HIRE OR WE NEED TO FEEL, WE NEED TO HIRE, HE APPROACHED YOU AND WE NEED TO SEND PEOPLE TO PARAMEDIC SCHOOL.

IT IS WHAT IT IS.

UM, AND THEN THIS ONE HERE WOULD BE MORE REFERENCED PROBABLY TO, UH, SECTION B ON THIS, WHICH IS A SINGLE ROLE MATTER, MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE THAT WITHIN STARTING WORK.

AND IF THEY DON'T, THEN WHATEVER LEGAL PROCEEDINGS NEED TO HAPPEN ON THAT.

UM, THE OTHER PART OF THIS, UH, IS THERE ANY QUESTION? I'M I, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANOTHER QUESTION ON THIS.

UM, THE OTHER QUESTION IS, UM, IS THERE, THE QUESTION IS ON THE, WELL, I'M LOSING MY MIND BECAUSE I HA OKAY.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

OKAY.

IS THE INTENT OF HAVING EVERYBODY GET THEIR HAZMAT TO TAKE AWAY CERTIFICATION PAY FOR HAZMAT, IS THAT THE INTENT IN THE FUTURE? YES, THAT IS.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S IN THAT WE PROPOSED AND WE HAVEN'T GIVEN THAT ONE YET.

SO, YES.

BUT HAVE, HAS MATT AND BELINDA IN YES.

OKAY.

SO WE KNOW THE INTENT NOW OR WELL, BUT SO THEN WE CAN'T TA ON THIS TILL YET.

YEAH, I MEAN WE COULDN'T T ON ANYWAYS 'CAUSE THIS NEEDS TO BE CHANGED ANYWAYS.

RIGHT.

BUT IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE CHOOSE TO DO, YOU KNOW, OKAY.

BUT WE JUST WANNA BRING THOSE, THOSE UP.

OKAY.

IF THAT, IF THAT MAKES, IF IT CLEARS MUD DOWN, OKAY.

THESE TOGETHER.

OKAY.

UM, THESE ARE KIND OF GONNA GO TOGETHER.

WE DO AGREE WITH THE COPIES OF AGREEMENT, THE DIRECT DEPOSIT, ALL THAT'S FINE.

THE ATORY REIMBURSEMENT IS SOMEWHAT, IS HARD TO GET AROUND IT.

WE DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL TIMES WHERE FIREFIGHTERS ARE TOLD YOU'RE GONNA THIS STATION AND THEN THEY GET TO THAT STATION.

NO, NO, YOU'RE GONNA THIS STATION.

NO, YOU'RE GOING TO THIS STATION.

THEY CONSTANTLY HAVE TO ROTATE AROUND FOR THE DAY AND THEIR, THEY'RE THEIR OWN VEHICLE.

THE MILEAGE REIMBURSEMENT IS VERY MINIMAL.

NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE USE IT.

SOMETIMES WE GET, WE TELL PEOPLE YOU GO, HEY, MAKE SURE YOU PUT IN YOUR MILEAGE.

OKAY.

SOMETIMES IT GETS DONE, SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T.

UM, BUT WE'D LIKE TO KEEP THAT IN THERE.

UM, THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS INSIDE OF THIS ARTICLE 32, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE INTENT OF THIS IS TO WORK TOGETHER.

AND GENERALLY WE'RE OKAY WITH SOME OF THOSE THINGS, HOWEVER, THIS IS AN IDEA.

AND THE NEXT FIRE CHIEF THAT'S NOT, YOU MAY NOT HAVE THIS SAME IDEA AND MAY NOT CARE.

YOU MEAN SAY I DON'T CARE ABOUT HIS IDEA.

THAT'S HIS IDEA.

NOW HE DOES STILL HAVE TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THE THINGS WORK HARD, SO FULFILL WITHIN THE CONTRACT, BUT WE HAVEN'T SUED ANYBODY HAVEN'T HELD THE, THE FEE TEAM, YOU KNOW, THE FIRED ANYBODY'S FEET WE'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU.

BUT WE LIKE TO HAVE, WE LIKE ARTICLE THREE TWO, WE LIKE THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN.

IT'S A VOLUNTARY OPPORTUNITY THING.

WE ARE CURRENTLY PROVIDING A MEDICAL COMPONENT.

WE CURRENTLY PROVIDING A MENTAL HEALTH COMPONENT AND WE'RE CURRENTLY TECHNICALLY PROVIDING THE FITNESS ASPECT OF IT WITH PEER FITNESS TRAINERS.

UM, WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO BOLSTERING THAT TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, BUT WE DON'T, WITH THIS SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS OUT OF HERE AND THEN JUST HAVE AN IDEA SAYING WE'RE NOT, WE'RE GONNA GET RID OF NOT HAVING THIS AND THEN JUST HAVE AN IDEA THAT WE MIGHT DO THIS OR MIGHT WANNA STAND BY IT.

WE'RE NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT AT ALL.

SO, SO THAT THIS ARTICLE, MIKE HAS A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.

THIS ARTICLE HERE, IF Y'ALL REMEMBER IT GOT TAKEN OUT WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO REDO IT AGAIN AND WE SAID PUT IT IN BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE THERE.

THE WHOLE REASON THE FIREFIGHTERS WENT FOR CONTRACT WAS THAT LANGUAGE

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IT DOESN'T MEAN A LOT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT HISTORICALLY THAT IS BECAUSE OF THINGS WERE HAPPENING IN OUR DEPARTMENT.

NOT YOU CHIEF, JUST THINGS WERE HAPPENING THAT WERE HOLDING PEOPLE AT DIFFERENT STANDARDS.

AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO FITNESS, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO GETTING US TO DO FITNESS.

THAT ARTICLE IS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WE HAD OUR FIRST CONTRACT.

AND SO BY TAKING THAT ONE ARTICLE OUT, I I JUST, THAT ARTICLE ALONE, IT'S GONNA MAKE SOME PEOPLE VOTE AGAINST.

AND I DON'T WANT THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO TAKE SOMEBODY A PRODUCT.

I THINK THEY'RE GONNA VOTE DOWN.

I WANT MANDATORY, WHAT ARE WE CALLING IT? I WANT SOMETHING.

WE NEED SOMETHING.

BUT BY TAKING THE WHOLE THING OUT, THAT ARTICLE OUT OF IT AND JUST PUTTING THIS DOESN'T SAY IN HERE NON-PUNITIVE.

NOW I KNOW THE INTENT, BUT NOTHING IN HERE RIGHT HERE SAYS NON-PUNITIVE.

WHERE THAT DOES SAY NON-PUNITIVE.

NOT JUST THIS, BUT IT SAYS THINGS IN IT.

AM I CORRECT BY SAYING THAT ON OUR SIDE ? YEAH.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO OPEN THAT ONE UP AND LET'S DISCUSS, LET'S, LET'S MODIFY IT.

LET'S MAKE IT WORK.

BUT I I DON'T THINK TAKING THIS, THAT ONE BOTTOM PART OUT IS GONNA BE GOOD.

ALRIGHT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THAT'S IT.

THAT'S ALL.

STAY TOGETHER, FUMBLING.

UM, SO WE DO HAVE ARTICLE 26 PROMOTIONS, SO WE HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR PROMOTIONS AS WELL.

UM, SO GONNA GO AHEAD AND GIVE THAT TO YOU, UM, AND KENNY AND I'M GONNA LET THE CHIEF, UM, WALK THROUGH, UM, THIS ARTICLE AND KIND OF EXPLAIN TO YOU THE CHANGES AND ALL.

AND UM, THE, THEY HAVE, WELL THEY HAVE THIS TO REGULAR BLACK.

YES.

OKAY.

THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF COLOR IN THIS THING ALMOST.

WE GONNA TALK THROUGH A LITTLE BIT.

UM, SECTION TWO UH, PROPOSAL IS UH, TO ADD DIVISION CHIEFS TO THE UM, METHOD OF PROMOTION.

THE ASSISTANT CHIEF WOULD BE TO ADD AND DIVISION CHIEF.

AND SO THE UM, THE CHIEF MAY APPOINT FROM WITHIN THE BARGAINING UNIT AT HIS SOLE DISCRETION ON ASSISTANT CHIEFS AND DIVISION CHIEFS IS WHAT'S ADDED THERE.

UNDER THE NEXT SECTION.

UH, SENIORITY AND EDUCATION POINTS, THERE'S SOME UH, PRO CHANGES HERE.

SENIORITY POINTS.

UM, IT'S UH, EACH CANDIDATE WILL RECEIVE ONE POINT.

LEMME SEE IF THERE'S, IT REALLY DOESN'T CHANGE MUCH IN THERE.

JUST THE WORDING ABOUT WHEN THE POINTS HAPPEN.

'CAUSE WE HAD PROBATION STARTS WE JUST SAID FROM THE DATE OF HIRE.

SO THAT WAS MORE A CLEANUP THING.

AND UM, EDUCATION POINTS SCRATCHED OUT AND INSTEAD PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT POINTS.

AND THE CHANGE HERE WERE CURRENTLY WE HAVE TWO POINTS ASSOCIATE FOUR POINTS BACHELOR.

BASICALLY PULLING BOTH OF THOSE BACK.

ONE POINT ASSOCIATES THREE POINTS BACHELOR AND ADDING THE ANY TYPE OF CPSE PROFESSIONAL DESIGNATION.

THOSE UM, DESIGNATIONS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.

FIRE OFFICER, UH, CHIEF FIRE OFFICER, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OTHERS AS WELL.

SO I JUST SAID ANY OF THOSE.

AND UM, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A DEGREE BUT YOU HAVE ONE OF THOSE DESIGNATIONS WHICH YOU CAN STILL GET WITH SOME COLLEGE, YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE A DEGREE TO GET THE POINTS TO BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR IT, THEN YOU COULD GET A POINT.

SO IT KIND OF OPENS IT UP TO SOME SENIOR PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT HAVE THE DEGREE THAT MAY HAVE SOME COLLEGE THAT CREDIT THAT CAN GET.

AND THEN, UM, TWO POINTS.

IF YOU HAVE BOTH AN ASSOCIATES AND A PROFESSIONAL DESIGNATION, THE THREE POINTS IS FOR THE BACHELOR'S DEGREE AND THE FOUR POINTS IS UH, FOR A BACHELOR'S DEGREE AND A PROFESSIONAL DESIGNATION.

AND THEN, UH, ANOTHER CHANGE IN THERE ON THE ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE, IT'S NOT, THE ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE IS NOT SPECIFIC TO FIRE AND EMS LIKE IT ORIGINALLY WAS.

IT'S ANY ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE.

UM, I THINK THE EMPHASIS IS ON, UM, ASSOCIATE'S DEGREES, PROBABLY TAKING MATH AND

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SO THAT'S THE CHANGE THERE.

UM, SO WHAT ABOUT THE BACHELOR'S DEGREE? IT'S THE, IT'S THREE POINTS BUT IT STILL NEEDS TO BE, IT'S STILL SPECIFIC TO OKAY.

WELL IT, YEAH, TO ANY OF THOSE DEGREES LISTED.

UH, OR APPROVED BY THE FIRE CHIEF.

OKAY.

SO THAT LANGUAGE IS SIMILAR TO WHAT IT WAS.

THE WAY THE POINTS ARE ADDED IS THE SAME, UM, ADDED TO THE OVERALL SCORE THAT DID NOT CHANGE UNDER THE C PREREQUISITES.

UH, EXPLAIN THAT.

THE LANGUAGE FROM EDUCATION PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT POINTS AND THEN UNDER THE REQUIREMENTS OF BATTALION DIVISION CHIEF, WE SCRATCH DIVISION CHIEF.

SO IT JUST SAYS BATTALION CHIEF AND ADDED UH, TCIP FIRE OFFICER TWO OR HIGHER TCIP FIRE SERVICE INSTRUCTOR TWO FIRE AND THEN THE TCIP HAZARDS MATERIALS TECHNICIAN.

UM, AS REQUIREMENTS FOR THE BATTALION CHIEF'S, UH, TEST UNDER B WAS LIEUTENANT, WE CHANGED THE WHEN TO CLEAN IT UP.

TCP HAZMAT TECHNICIAN ON THAT AS WELL.

WE ADDED ON UNDERNEATH THERE THE FIRE CHIEF SHALL OFFER, WE ADDED UM, FIRE THE HAZMAT TECHNICIAN COURTS WITH THOSE OTHER ONES THAT ARE IN THAT ONE.

UNDER ENGINEER CLEANED UP THE LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT.

IT SAYS CONTINUOUS SERVICE.

WE DIDN'T PUT IT IN THE RANK OF FIREFIGHTER, WE SAID THREE YEARS CONTINUOUS SERVICE IN THE BAYTOWN.

GIMME MADE THE PRECEDING SCHEDULE DATE OF WRITTEN EXAM FOR CLEANUP ADDED UNDER THE REPORT AS WE ADDED UH, TCFP HAZARD TECHNICIAN THAT AND UM, APPLICANTS MUST MEET ALL REQUIREMENTS OF THE SECTION FOR THE SCHEDULED DATE OF THE WRITTEN EXAM.

GENERALLY SET THAT SECTION FIVE AND I THINK MOST OF THIS LANGUAGE TO WAS SIMILAR TO LAST TIME THAT WE PRESENTED.

UH, WE, THIS IS ABOUT PRACTICAL EXAM FOR UH, DRIVERS AND ASSESSMENT CENTER TESTING FOR CAPTAINS AND BATTALION CHIEF.

UM, LET'S SEE HERE.

THE EMPHASIS IN THE ENGINEER PROMOTIONAL TESTING IS THE PRACTICAL EXAM.

IT WILL INCLUDE A DRIVING EXERCISE AND THE COMPANY EXERCISE.

AND THEN, UM, UNDER THERE HOW THE POINTS WOULD BE, OTHER PERCENTAGES WOULD BE DISTRIBUTED IN THE POINTS UNDER SECTION SIX.

UH, EACH APPLICANT WILL BE GIVEN A WRITTEN EXAMINATION.

WE'VE GOT THAT, THAT'S THE SAME SECTION SEVEN AS THE ASSESSMENT CENTER.

AND UH, THERE ARE, THERE'S EXPLANATION OF THE ASSESSMENT ASSESSMENT CENTER.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON IT? AND THEN UNDER THE ASSESSMENT CENTER PERFORMANCE EXERCISES COULD BE ANY OF THOSE EXERCISES.

WHAT SET NUMBER THAT RIGHT? NO, WE JUST SET A BROAD RANGE OF DIFFERENT EXERCISES THAT CAN BE SELECTED.

THOSE ARE ALL LISTED IN THERE.

SEE IF ANYTHING ELSE JUMPS OUT AGAIN UNDER SECTION EIGHT IT JUST SHOWS THE POINT DIS DISTRIBUTION AND THEN WE DELETED ALL THE OLD STUFF AND UH, SECTION 10 BEFORE.

BUT THOSE DID NOT CHANGE.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THERE? A LOT THERE, BUT YEAH, NO, I MEAN YEAH, WE TAKE THIS EARLY, READ IT.

I DUNNO IF THE COP, THIS WILL BE ENOUGH FOR ALL.

YEAH.

YEAH.

, I WAS SAYING IT'S JUST A LOT, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

UM, YEAH.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL PRESENTED Y'ALL'S PROPOSAL TO THE SENIORITY POINT.

SO WHEN Y'ALL COME BACK, IF Y'ALL, YOU KNOW, WANT DIFFERENT INCLUSIVE OF, OF THIS OR SOME OTHER VERSION OF THIS.

ABSOLUTELY.

OKAY.

JUST CAROL, JUST TO MENTION IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL THING.

YEAH.

YEAH.

I WOULD SAY A, YEAH, GIVEN THAT ONE FOR SURE, IT WAS REALLY HELPFUL.

WE IN THERE AND I DIDN'T HAVE ONE.

I WAS LIKE, WHAT'S DIFFERENT? OKAY, PERFECT.

YEAH, SO THAT WAS THE OKAY MOTIONS.

UM, OKAY, UH, GOING TO PRESENT ONLY SECTION ONE OF ARTICLE 21, WHICH IS THE OVERTIME TIME.

UM, NO, Y'ALL MADE A PROPOSAL TO SECTION FIVE AND SOMETHING ELSE AND WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT TO, TO THE REST OF IT.

UM, SO THIS

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UM, WE ARE, UH, TAKING OUT THE VACATION LEAVE AND THE HOLIDAYS.

THAT SECTION WAS ADDED IN 'CAUSE IT'S OVER AND ABOVE WHAT FLSA UM, CALL FOR.

SO, UH, WE ARE TAKING THOSE TWO LEADS OUT.

WE ARE LEAVING IN THE WORKERS' COMP LEAVE AND THEN THE ADMIN LEAVE ASSOCIATED WITH WORKERS', UH, COMPENSATION IN THE UNION TIME BANK.

SO, OKAY, SO THAT'S THAT ONE.

OKAY.

UM, DO YOU HAVE A RED COPY? NO.

WHERE'S IT CHANGED? ALL RIGHT.

UH, THE NEXT THING WE'RE GONNA DO IS COMPENSATION.

AND SO THIS IS NOT A FULLY WRITTEN OUT ARTICLE.

IT'S UM, A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW AND CONCEPT BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING NEW IN THIS.

OKAY.

UM, SO, AND THEN I'LL COME BACK TO TERMINAL LEAVE ONCE I GIVE YOU THIS AND WALK THROUGH IT.

SO THIS, UM, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS A SIGNED CONTRACT, UM, WITH UH, 3% FOR YEAR ONE, 4% FOR YEAR TWO AND THREE, AND THEN A WAGE REOPENER FOR YEARS FOUR AND FIVE.

UH, AND THEN THE SALARY SHEET IS ONLY FOR YEAR ONE WITH THE 3%.

UM, SO WE'LL HAVE THAT FOR REFERENCE.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, WE ALSO WANT TO PROPOSE, UM, A BUYBACK INTO A RETIREMENT HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT.

THE RETIREMENT HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT IS THROUGH MISSION SQUARE.

UM, WE, MANY, MANY MINUTES AGO HAD IT FOR A BRIEF MOMENT, UM, BEFORE THEY CHANGED THE REGULATION ON IT.

UM, BUT WE ARE BRINGING THAT BACK.

AND SO THIS IS BUYING DOWN SOME OF THOSE LEAVE BANKS.

UM, SO I KNOW Y'ALL PROPOSED A SICK LEAVE BUYBACK AND A A DIFFERENT TERMINAL LEAVE POLICY.

AND UM, SO THIS KIND OF TAKES PLACE OF ALL THAT.

IT KIND OF WRAPS IN SOME OF THOSE IDEAS THAT YOU HAD AS WELL.

SO IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE AT LEAST 10 YEARS OF SERVICE WITH BAYTOWN, UM, IF THEY HAVE AT LEAST 60 HOURS OF HOLIDAY TIME ACCRUED, THEN THEY COULD BE PAID FOR, UH, 60 HOURS FOR COMP TIME.

IF THEY HAVE AT LEAST 180 HOURS ACCRUED, THEN THEY COULD BE PAID FOR AT LEAST 60 HOURS.

AND THEN ON SICK TIME, IF THEY HAVE AT LEAST 1,080 HOURS ACCRUED, THEY COULD BE PAID FOR 180 HOURS AT 10 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR.

AND THAT MIRRORS THE EXISTING TERMINAL LEAVE POLICY, UM, IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT THAT ALLOWS THEM TO BE PAID MUCH SOONER THAN ONCE THEY RETIRE.

UM, AND WITH ONLY 30 YEARS.

ONLY 30 YEARS, YEAH, WITH 30 YEARS OF SERVICE.

UM, SO THIS ALLOWS FOR PAYMENT, UM, MUCH EARLIER.

AND SO THIS WOULD GO INTO A MISSION SQUARE HELP RIGHT? ARE TALKING NOW? YEAH.

AND SO THE WAY THIS RUNS IS, UM, THIS HAS TO BE SET UP AS A MANDATORY PROGRAM.

SO, UM, IF ANYBODY WHO HITS THOSE BUCKETS HAS TO PARTICIPATE, RIGHT? AND IT HAS TO GO INTO THE MISSION SQUARE RHS ACCOUNT.

NOW ONCE IT'S IN THERE, IT IS THE EMPLOYEE'S MONEY FOREVER PASSES TO THE SPOUSE.

IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THE EMPLOYEE, IT IS, IT HAS THE SAME ADJUSTMENT PARAMETERS AND OPPORTUNITIES AS YOUR REGULAR LIKE 4 57.

SO ANY WAY THAT YOU WANT TO INVEST IT WITH MISSION SQUARE, YOU HAVE FULL CONTROL OVER THAT.

UM, IT, IT'S ALL THE EMPLOYEES,

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AND THEN IF YOU USE IT ON QUALIFIED MEDICAL, IT'S ALSO TAX FREE.

SO QUALIFIED MEDICAL THING, SAME THING AS LIKE WITH YOUR FLEXIBLE SPENDING ACCOUNT.

UM, SO ANY KIND OF COPAYS, UM, WITH THIS, BECAUSE IT IS AVAILABLE UPON RETIREMENT, YOU CAN ALSO PAY FOR PREMIUMS, UM, WITH THIS.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY ANY KIND OF MEDICAL EXPENSES, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU HAVE, THAT SORT OF THING.

SO, UM, THIS CAN BE DESIGNED IN A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

UM, YOU COULD STRUCTURE IT THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR BATTALION CHIEFS IT'S THIS, AND FOR FIREFIGHTERS IT'S, IT'S THAT YOU COULD, UM, ANY KINDS OF WAY.

I FORGOT TO BRING THE MATERIALS, I'LL GET ALL SOME INFORMATION.

UM, SO ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN THINK OF DESIGNING THIS, YOU CAN KIND OF DESIGN IT THAT WAY.

UM, ONCE IT IS DESIGNED, IF YOU COME BACK IN A YEAR OR TWO YEARS AND SAY, HEY, WE NEED TO CHANGE THE PARAMETERS, THEY CAN BE CHANGED.

IT'S NOT LOCKED FOR LIFE.

IT'S NOT A ONE TIME.

ONCE YOU DESIGN IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S WORTH IT.

FOREVERMORE.

UM, THIS IS NEW.

I DO HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON IT, UM, THAT I CAN GIVE YOU.

WE ALSO HAVE SOMEONE WITH MISSION SQUARE THAT IS MORE THAN HAPPY TO SIT DOWN AND TALK TO YOU AND GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROGRAM.

ANY QUESTIONS? CAN WE HAVE A NOON SQUARE PERSON OR IS IT TIFFANY? SO WE HAVE MULTIPLE TIFFANY'S THAT WE NOW HAVE HAVE, OKAY.

I, I NOTICED ON THE APP IT SHOWED THE NEW GIRL, NOT TIFFANY.

I'M CONFUSED.

SORRY.

YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO, TWO TIFFANY'S.

UM, ANNA DENISE IS THE ONE WHO UM, WHO WE'VE TALKED TO ABOUT THE RHS.

I WILL TELL YOU THEY ARE GOING TO BE HERE TOMORROW AT NINE, AT NINE O'CLOCK.

UM, WE OFFER THE SAME KIND OF PACKAGE TO THE POLICE ASSOCIATION.

THEY'RE A LITTLE HEADED AHEAD ON THEIR MEETINGS AND IC MISSION SQUARED, WAS ALREADY GOING TO BE IN THE AREA, UM, TO DO SOME INTRODUCTIONS AND SOME OTHER MEETINGS ON SOME OF THE OTHER SECURE ACT STUFF THAT WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT.

AND SO THEY OFFERED TO GO AHEAD AND MEET ABOUT THE RHS WITH UM, POLICE.

IF Y'ALL ARE AVAILABLE AND WANT TO MEET TOMORROW, YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO JOIN IT IF Y'ALL ARE NOT AVAILABLE.

WE WILL 100% UP SET UP A SEPARATE MEETING FOR Y'ALL.

UM, THIS IS NEW AND DIFFERENT.

WE PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

CERTAINLY ARE NOT EXPECTING THIS BE ANYTHING NOW.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO FEEL FREE .

SO LOOK, I JUST WANNA GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT, YEAH, SO YOU SAID MAN MANDATORY FOR ALL THAT QUALIFY.

SO ME, I'M JUST GONNA USE ME 'CAUSE I'M, I KNOW MY HOURS SO ANNUALLY I WILL BE, I WILL PUT IN 60 HOURS.

IT'S NOT FOR MY HOLIDAY AND ANNUALLY I'LL PUT IN 60 HOURS FOR MY COMP TIME.

THOSE TWO NON-NEGOTIABLE, IT AUTOMATICALLY COMES OUT.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS.

YES.

OKAY.

AND THE SICK TIME TOO.

YES.

OKAY.

I JUST, I HAVE, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR, THEY LIKE THEIR TIME AND THEY USE IT AND MM-HMM .

I DON'T THINK THEY'RE HAVE THAT MANY HOURS.

YEAH.

THEY AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT PROBABLY SHOULD 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE RETIREMENT HEALTHCARE, BUT YEAH.

YEAH.

AND THAT'S WHY I SAY SO THIS, YOU CAN DESIGN IT IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

SO YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE TO SAY, HEY, IT'S A LOT OF THE FIREFIGHTERS THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY START HITTING ENGINEER OR CAPTAIN OR BATALION CHIEFS, THOSE PEOPLE GET REALLY INTERESTED IN, YOU COULD RIDE IT AROUND THAT.

UM, YEAH.

AND THERE MAY BE A WAY TO CREATIVELY STRUCTURE IT, , BUT THIS IS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, MORE FIRST PASS, UM, OBVIOUSLY IT WAS DESIGNED AROUND A COST AS WELL, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE, AT THE END OF THE DAY THIS COST THE CITY MONEY.

UM, AND SO THERE IS A COST BEHIND IT.

SO, SO THAT HAS TO BE CALCULATED INTO IT.

UM, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO THINK ABOUT IT AND TO DESIGN THAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE IDEA OF THE RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE COMING BACK, UM, BOTH POLICE ARE CONTINUE TO ASK ABOUT THAT.

WE CONTINUE TO SAY NO BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT AFFORDABLE.

IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE.

AND SO THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT SOMETHING DIFFERENT, UM, AND TAKE KIND OF IN UM, SIMILARLY POLICE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY SINCE WE BOUGHT DOWN THE, THE BANKS AND THOSE ACCRUED LEAVES ARE

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SO THAT WAS AN OPTION, UM, TO ADDRESS SEVERAL ISSUES AT ONE TIME.

SO, SO THE HOLIDAY IN THE COMP IS HOUR FOR HOUR, I MEAN MONEY, A DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR.

IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER, ACTUALLY I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

SO YOU'RE SAYING WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DESIGN THIS, SO IF WE WERE TO COME BACK WITH, LET'S SAY THE SICK TIME, 180 HOURS AND WE DROPPED THAT OR WE RAISED IT, THAT'S, WE'RE NEGOTIATING ON THIS, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

MM-HMM .

YEAH.

SO IF YOU SAID, HMM, 180 HOURS SEEMS AWFULLY STEEP, LET'S START OFF AT 60 HOURS OR SOMETHING.

BECAUSE ONCE YOU'RE OVER 10 80, AT 10 YEARS WE ACCRUE 180 HOURS.

WE'RE NEVER GONNA HIT THE 1440 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA PUT US AT ZERO EVERY SINGLE TIME AND WE'RE ONLY GONNA GET PAID SINCE IT'S ON ABOUT RECORDING.

YEAH.

OKAY.

YEAH.

SO Y'ALL CAN, AND AND LIKE I SAID, I WAS UH, BEST TRYING TO BALANCE OUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY NEED AT LEAST 10 YEARS OF SERVICE TO HAVE SOME DECENT BANKS BUILT UP AND THEN TRYING TO KEEP SOME SORT OF MINIMAL SAY MINIMAL THRESHOLD.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHILE THEN ALSO TRYING, YOU KNOW, PART OF IT WAS KIND OF THE IDEA OF, OF LOOKING AT, OKAY, WHEN YOU PAY IT OUT, WHAT'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IT EQUALS ON ALL OF THESE CATEGORIES SO IT BECOMES A MEANINGFUL ANNUAL DEPOSIT INTO THE BANK.

YEAH.

WITH THE CONSTRAINTS OF, AND WE HAVE SO MUCH MONEY WE CAN PUT, SO, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS BALANCING IN IT.

BUT AGAIN, A HUNDRED PERCENT IF IT'S LIKE, UH, THAT THOSE NUMBERS DON'T WORK, WE'D LIKE TO TRY SOME DIFFERENT NUMBERS.

SO I GUESS MY PROBLEMS WITH THAT TOO, AT 10 80, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA EARN ANY MORE SICK TIME.

HUH? I WAS THINKING THE 1440, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE 14, 40, 17 YEARS.

RIGHT? AND IF YOU'RE, AND THIS DOESN'T, THIS DOESN'T HURT ME AT ALL BECAUSE GUESS WHAT? MANDATORY RIGHT.

MANDATORY 180 COMES OUT REGARDLESS IF YOU'RE OVER 10 80.

YEAH.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I'VE SOLD MY CHOICE.

SO THIS DOESN'T, THIS, THIS DOESN'T HURT ME AT ALL.

I'VE ALREADY SOLD MY 1440 BACK BUT HURTS.

IT HURTS YOU BECAUSE NOW YES, FROM HERE ON OUT, IF IT STARTS, YOU'LL NEVER BE AT, I'LL NEVER GET 1440.

YOU'LL, YOU'LL HAVE TO GET TO 10 80 TO LOSE 180, 10 80 TO LOSE 180 OR ABOVE, YOU KNOW, SO YOU'LL NEVER HAVE IT.

NOW I WILL SAY SO AND I, AND I LOOKED AT THE 1440, BUT THEN I DROPPED IT TO 10 80 'CAUSE I WAS LIKE, OKAY, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE MINIMAL BANK THAT FELT COMFORTABLE FOR? AND I DIDN'T REALLY THINK ABOUT THE, THE DELTA THERE, WHAT WOULD BE HAPPENING, BUT I WILL, SINCE IT'S 10 CENTS ON, ON THE DOLLAR THAT THROWS AT SOME.

BUT AGAIN, IF YOU START DUMPING MONEY IN AT 10 YEARS VERSUS WAITING UNTIL YOU PUT IN 30 YEARS AND YOU'RE GETTING STILL 10 CENTS ON, ON THE DOLLAR, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'RE EARNING AS WELL.

SO FROM INTEREST AND EVERYTHING.

SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING ELSE TO, TO THINK ABOUT.

AND I DIDN'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME DOING ANY SORT OF CALCULATIONS ON THAT.

IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS OF THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL GET PAID THE 10 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR THAT WOULDN'T HAVE OTHERWISE GOTTEN PAID.

RIGHT.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

AND THEY'RE GONNA GET IT EARLY.

RIGHT.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

IT'S JUST, I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, YEAH, NO, I GET THE YEAH, BUT YOU WOULD NEVER GET YOUR FULL 1440 UPON RETIREMENT OR TO BUY BACK INTO IC MAY OR WHATEVER.

IF YOU HAVE A 10 81, YOU'RE GONNA LOSE 180 OR JUST BACK TO THE 10 80.

'CAUSE DOESN'T SPECIFY THERE.

I MEAN EVEN AT 180 TO 10 80, WHAT IS THAT? UM, 360, 900, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA DROP BACK DOWN TO 10 80 AND THEN I'M GONNA AC CREW ANOTHER 180 AND THEN I'M GONNA DROP BACK DOWN TO 10 80.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

YOU'LL STAY THERE.

YOU'LL STAY THERE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M, YEAH.

AND HE WAS, HE WAS JUST ASKING IF YOU WERE AT AND AT AFTER 20 17, 10, WERE YOU ONLY SELLING BACK FIVE HOURS OR YOU SELLING BACK? WHAT DOES THE SELL BACK 10 80? I THINK THAT'S 90 DAYS.

RIGHT.

THAT DOESN'T SPECIFY THAT.

YES.

SO THAT, THAT THOSE, SO AFTER 2017, AS LONG AS NOBODY HAS A LIFE ALTERING EVENT THAT THEY HAVE TO USE A BUNCH OF SICK TIME, THEY'LL HAVE THEIRS, BUT FOR THE OTHER GUYS THEY WON'T.

SO YOU LOOK AT THIS ONE.

YEAH, OF COURSE.

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YEAH.

WE NEED TO PUT NUMBERS TO IT AND DO SOMETHING BETTER OR YEAH.

YEAH.

YES.

SO LIKE I SAID, PLENTY TO, TO LOOK AT AGAIN.

UM, IF Y'ALL ARE INTERESTED AND AVAILABLE, WE'LL BE HAVING A CONVERSATION TOMORROW AT NINE.

UH, SO I'M AVAILABLE OTHER THAN YOUR CLASS, UH, CLASS IS GONNA BE AT EIGHT OR WHAT TIME IS THE MEETING? NINE IS THAT MEETING? MORNING? EVERYBODY'S GONE.

SO WE JUST TELL ENGINE ONE TO STAY OFF.

YEAH, WE MEETING MORNING CLASS.

OKAY.

ARE YOU GONNA BE THERE? WE'RE DOING ONE TOMORROW.

THE CLASS ONE TOMORROW, THE NEXT DAY.

RIGHT.

EIGHT SHIFT WILL BE HALF TOMORROW THAN HALF THE NEXT DAY.

SO WE'LL JUST IF YOU WANT TO ATTEND THAT MEETING CAN, BECAUSE I'M HELPING HIM TEACH CLASS.

CAN YOU ATTEND? YEAH.

ALRIGHT.

I WAS GONNA SAY AND THEN IF, AND THEN IF Y'ALL NEED ANOTHER MEETING, WE CAN SET UP ANOTHER MEETING.

MEETING OR WHATEVER ELSE.

IT JUST BE TO ME IF CAN BE THERE.

YEAH.

I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

MM-HMM .

WELL WHY FIVE YEARS? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE VERSUS WE'VE BEEN DO IT THREE YEARS FOR A WHILE NOW AND IT WORKS.

I THOUGHT, UM, SHE , SHE DIDN'T WANNA DO NOTHING.

SHE .

I'M NOT DOING ONE.

THE OTHER ONE REGARDLESS.

BUT I SAID THAT LAST TIME , I WAS LIKE, THIS IS MY LAST ONE.

AND THEN IT WAS LIKE, JUST KIDDING.

UM, NO THIS WAS A REQUEST BY THE CITY MANAGER.

HE WANTED TO DO A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT.

UM, SO THE FEW TIMES WE HAVE TO NEGOTIATE THAT HERE WE ARE .

UM, SO YEAH, THAT WAS IT.

YEAH.

UM, WE DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY WANT MULTI-YEAR OBVIOUSLY.

UM, BUT WOULD LIKE TO GET TO FIVE YEARS IF POSSIBLE.

UM, AND SO THIS IS THE TERMINAL LEAVE.

UM, SINCE WE HAVE IT PREPARED, LIKE I SAID, WE ARE NOT, UM, OUR COUNTER IS NO CHANGES TO THIS IN CONJUNCTION WITH WHAT HAPPENS WITH THIS.

OKAY.

UM, ONCE THERE.

OKAY.

OKAY.

DID JOHN NEED A CAUCUS NOW? WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? I I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH FOR US TO JUST SET ANOTHER MEETING.

'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A WHAT YOU WANT A CAUCUS FOR A MINUTE AND COME BACK OR YOU, WHAT DO YOU THINK? YOU THINK WE'RE GOOD? ARE YOU GOOD? I THINK WE'RE, YEAH.

'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO TALK ABOUT IT ALL TOGETHER AS WELL.

DID THE CITY TEAM, DID WE NEED A CAUCUS TO DISCUSS ANYTHING WITH THE, THAT WE'VE GOT A QUESTION BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO TO CAUCUS.

OKAY.

OKAY.

ALL THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO

[c. Consider setting the time and date for the next collective bargaining session.]

UH, AND WE WOULD PROPOSE JULY THE 22ND FROM ONE TO THREE TODAY SHIFT.

I'M OFF, I'LL BE THERE 22ND.

I WON'T BE, IS IT TUESDAY? TUESDAY.

TUESDAY.

THAT WORKS SINCE I'M GONE ALL NEXT WEEK.

WHAT'S THE DATE? JULY THE 22ND ONE, THREE MARK FOR EVERYBODY.

UM, I'M ASKING THE OTHER TWO GUYS REAL QUICK.

MY ANNIVERSARY, BUT I'LL SACRIFICE.

OH, OKAY.

.

WE APPRECIATE THAT.

.

I WOULD NEVER KNOW UNLESS IT WAS IN MY CALENDAR.

QUITE HONEST.