* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] OKAY, WE WILL BEGIN [ CITY OF BAYTOWN NOTICE OF MEETING COLLECTIVE BARGAINING SESSION BETWEEN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN AND THE BAYTOWN PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS' ASSOCIATION TUESDAY, JUNE 10, 2025 1:00 P.M. BAYTOWN CONFERENCE ROOM, CITY HALL 2401 MARKET STREET, BAYTOWN, TEXAS 77520 AGENDA CALL TO ORDER AND ANNOUNCEMENT OF QUORUM ] THIS COLLECTIVE BARGAINING SESSION BETWEEN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN AND THE BAYTOWN PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS ASSOCIATION. IT IS TUESDAY, JUNE THE 10TH AT 1:00 PM WE'RE IN THE BAYTOWN CONFERENCE ROOM AT 24 0 1 MARKET STREET IN BAYTOWN, TEXAS. THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE CITIZEN COMMENT. AND DID WE HAVE NO S VERY INTERESTED. ALRIGHT. OKAY. . JUST A FLY ON THE WALL. . ALL RIGHT. WE'LL [a. Consider confirming the ground rules for the collective bargaining sessions beginning on June 10, 2025, between the City of Baytown and the International Association of Firefighters Local 1173.] MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS TO CONSIDER CONFIRMING THE GROUND RULES FOR COLLECTIVE BARGAIN SESSIONS BEGINNING JUNE 10TH BETWEEN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN AND THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION. OUR FIREFIGHTERS, LOCALS 1173 COPIES FOR Y'ALL. THESE ARE THE SAME ONES THAT WE USED LAST YEAR. WE CAME BACK FOR THE ERS. NOTHING'S CHANGED IN IT. WE DON'T NEED TO SIGN IT OFF A NEGOTIATOR. WE DO. OH, I SEE THE BACK PAGE. MY SIGN YOUR NAME AND PRINT IT UNDER YOUR SIGNATURES. COME ON IN KIND OF FAST, DIDN'T HE? I KNOW. HE WAS LIKE, OOPS, THAT'S NOT MY MAGNET ON THIS ONE HERE. DO WE NEED TO PUT SMO SINCE HE'S NOT HERE TODAY? NO, HE DOESN'T. THIS DOESN'T KEEP SOME HIM FROM COMING INTO OTHER MEETINGS. CORRECT. OKAY. NO, BECAUSE THE ALTERNATES YOU CAN NAME AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. NEEDS TO SIGN YOUR SIDE HERE. RIGHT THERE. I SIGN ON THE INSIDE. HE NEEDS TO SIGN ON THE FRONT WITH YOU TOO, RIGHT? I DID. YOU DID? YEAH. YOUR POINT TOWARDS HER. WHAT? WITH KNOW, WORKING WITH FIREFIGHTERS. YOU SAID THE OTHER SIDE. I F****D THE OTHER SIDE OF SIGN. [00:05:01] I SIGNED ONE. OKAY. GET THE, OKAY. AND THEN IF WE CAN, UH, STATE THE MEMBERS OF THE BARGAINING TEAM FOR THE RECORD. UH, DALLAS WEB, JAMES WEAVER, AARON SMITH, AND MICHAEL. TODAY WE ALSO HAVE ROBERT ROSSWELL COMING INTO THE NEXT MEETING. OKAY. ON THE CITY SIDE WE HAVE MACKENZIE, CAROL LOPEZ, AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, VANCE. ALRIGHT. MOVING ON [b. Consider the Baytown Professional Firefighters' Association's collective bargaining proposals. ] TO ITEM TWO B. WE WILL CONSIDER THE BAYTOWN PROPOSAL. OKAY. UH, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A COUPLE THAT ARE STILL BEING WORKED ON. SO WE'LL , WE HAVE SOME INITIALLY, UM, FIRST AGENDA STICKING WITH THE SAME ARTICLES WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE AND MAKING SURE THAT ALL THOSE ARE THE SAME WAY IS OUR ALWAYS WANT AND ASK FOR INSURANCE BENEFITS FOR RETIREES. OKAY. UM, WE PRESENTED THIS BEFORE, BUT WE, WE DO FEEL IT'S A, IT'S A NECESSITY UNFORTUNATELY, FOR THE JOB ESPECIALLY, BUT, AND THERE'S A COPY FOR EVERYBODY IF EVERYBODY WANTS, OH, SORRY. YOU WANT ME TO SHARE? ALL RIGHT. FINE. THAT'S ARTICLE 19. OKAY. UM, ARTICLE 20, UM, THIS IS THE ARTICLE. 20 IS HOURS OF WORK. UM, THE LAST FEW YEARS WE'VE HIRED, UH, SEVERAL EMPLOYEES. UM, JUST NOTING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO STRIKE FROM THE ARMED CONTRACT, THE OFFICIAL GOING BACK TO A 24 48 WORK SCHEDULE. SOME OF THE REASONS WHY THAT BEING, EVERY PERSON WHO'S BEEN HIRED IN THE LAST THREE YEARS HAS TOLD US DIRECTLY THAT IF WE WERE ON A 24 48, THEY WOULD'VE THROWN OUR NAME OUTTA THE HAT COMPLETELY. SO THIS IS A, A GROWING SCHEDULE AND WITHIN THE FIRE SERVICE THAT PEOPLE TRULY ENJOY AND THEY WANT TO WORK. BOTH HAD A LOT, ALSO HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE RELOCATED ON THOSE TERMS, ON THOSE TERMS SPECIFICALLY. WELCOME CHIEF. YEAH. YOU SURE? YEAH. GIVE HIM ONE CHIEF. THE OTHER ONE. . OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, ARTICLE 21. UH, THIS, THIS COMES FROM BOTH OF US. IT'S KIND OF A REQUEST FOR SOME CLEANUP LANGUAGE OF OUR EXTRA ACTIVE ACTIVITIES OVERTIME LIST. UH, THE WAY WE HAVE IT, WE HAVE TWO, BASICALLY COUNT OF TWO LISTS NOW. UH, ONE FOR EXTRA DUTY ACTIVITIES LIKE 4TH OF JULY, GREENO FEST, ALL THESE TYPES OF THINGS. AND THE, UH, CURRENT CONTRACT LANGUAGE IS VERY, VERY CONVOLUTED AND, UM, BECOMES KIND OF A, A PAIN IN THE FOR THE UNION FOR FOR THE UNION AND ATION TO BE ABLE TO DO IT OUT. SO WE JUST WANT TO HAVE THE ONE LIST FOR THAT EXTRA ACTIVITIES OVERTIME LIST. IT'LL BE SENT OUT VIA OUR, UH, ELECTRONIC MEANS THERA OR THE, OR WHATEVER THIS , RIGHT? YEAH. RIGHT. UM, TO BE SENT OUT THAT WAY BY THE OPERATIONS CHIEF OR HIS, HER DESIGNEE, UM, AT THE TIME WHO'LL BE FILLED BY THE FIRST, FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE. BASICALLY HE RESPOND TO REQUEST AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE CERTIFICATION LEVEL. WE UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF 'EM MAY REQUIRE A HAZMAT TECH CERTIFICATION AND OR A PARAMEDIC CERTIFICATION. SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY, THEY'RE ABLE TO FULFILL THAT AS NEEDED, UH, IN A TIMELY MANNER. AND THIS IS INTENDED TO REPLACE CORRECT. EXISTING? YES. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS IN SOME OF OUR LMAS ABOUT HOW TO TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT. 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S SUPER, SUPER, SUPER CONVOLUTED RIGHT NOW. LIKE, THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT THEIR NAME TO THE CHIEF, HE HAS TO APPROVE IT. THEY, YOU GUYS GET THE LIST AND SAYING, OR THE FIRE ADMINISTRATION GETS THE LIST AND SAYING WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE NEED OWE TIME FOR. AND THEY SEND ME THEIR NAME, WHAT THEY WANT, THEN I HAVE TO SEND IT BACK TO THEM FOR APPROVAL. IT'S A LONG DRAWN OUT PROCESS THAT'S NOT NEEDED. AND I THINK IT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN [00:10:01] THAT WAY TO COMBAT SOME THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST. WE'VE JUST KIND OF LOOKED BEYOND IT FOR YEARS. SO, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, THOSE, THOSE, THOSE GOING ON TO ARTICLE 24, WHICH IS BASED COMPENSATION. UH, ONE, ONE I'LL GIVE THEM FOR EVERYBODY. THESE ARE BASED ON THE NUMBERS THAT I WAS ABLE TO, WE ABLE RECRUIT FROM OURSELVES OR GET FROM OURSELVES. AND, UH, JOEY, THIS TEAM WE'RE ABLE TO GET US SOME INFORMATION FOR SOME OF OUR, OUR MATCH CITIES. OH, THAT DOESN'T GO THERE. THAT GOES HERE. I MUST SCREW THIS UP. I PROMISE. UM, THESE NUMBERS REPRESENT A, OH MAN, I, I DON'T, I TOLD YOU I WAS MESSING THIS UP. , I'M, SOMETIMES I'M NOT GOOD WITH MY HANDBOOK. SOME PEOPLE ARE REALLY GOOD AT HIGH AND HIGH COORDINATION AND I'M JUST, MAYBE NOT. UM, THESE NUMBERS REPRESENT A 5% PAYERS ACROSS THE BOARD FOR EVERYBODY FOR THREE DIFFERENT YEARS. 15 OVER THREE. UH, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE. UM, WITH ALL THE, UH, WITH THE, UH, SALARY SURVEY STUFF THAT WE WERE PUT TOGETHER ALONG WITH JOEY AND, AND THEIR TEAM. WE'RE PRETTY SURE THAT THIS IS FAIRLY COMPARABLE TO WHAT OUR MAC CITIES ARE MOVING UP TO. ARE READY? UM, SO THESE WERE ALL THAT YOU HAVE PREPARED TODAY? YES, MA'AM. THOSE ARE FOR, THOSE ARE GOOD FOR TODAY. OKAY. OKAY. UM, LET'S TAKE A QUICK COPY MIND. NO PROBLEM. IT'S ONE FLY AND IF Y'ALL PLEASE TAKE THE FLIES OUT. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE RECONVENED AND, UM, SO WE ARE, UM, GOING TO HOLD THE INSURANCE ARTICLE AND THE COMPENSATION ARTICLE, UM, FOR A LATER TIME AS WELL AS THE HOURS OF WORK. UM, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA TA ON THE, THE OVERTIME REPLACEMENT, UM, JUST BECAUSE THIS IS AN ACTUAL LANGUAGE . UM, SO WE WILL, BUT IN, IN THE, THE THEORY AND THE CONCEPT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE WORK OUT, MAKE SURE WE GET THE RIGHT LANGUAGE IN THERE SO WE CAN TA SO, UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS OVER THAT ONE OR ANYTHING. SO THAT ONE LOOKS GOOD. OKAY. YEAH. ALRIGHTY. UM, THEN WE [c. Consider setting the time and date for the next collective bargaining session. ] WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO C, WHICH IS TO CONSIDER THE TIME AND DATE FOR OUR NEXT BARGAINING SESSION. AND SO, UM, ISSA TOOK A LOOK AT OUR CALENDARS AND OUR NEXT AVAILABILITY FOR, UH, THIS TEAM IS JUNE THE 26TH. UH, FROM THREE TO FIVE. WE ALL SAY JUNE THE 30TH, ANYTIME AFTER 2:00 PM AND THEN JULY 2ND. AND WE'RE HAPPY TO SET MORE THAN ONE DATE. UM, ALL WE'RE HERE. I, I'M, I'M ON TWO OF THOSE. I'M ON SHIFT, SO I'M GOOD FOR EITHER ONE 26TH. WHAT OTHER THE DAYS 26TH. 26TH 30TH AND THE SECOND 26TH AND THE SECOND 26TH. SIX 30. OH 30. I DID, UH, 100 B SHIFT. BOTH THE OTHER TWO ARE C SHIFTS. UH, THE 30TH, UH, LINDSAY'S RETIREMENT PARTIES THAT DAY. SO YEAH. AT 1130. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, WHAT TIME DID WE SAY ON THE 30TH? DID Y HAVE 1130? ONE 30 IS THE RETIREMENT PARTY. SO ANYTIME AFTER TWO. SO WE COULD DO THREE. THAT'S FINE. [00:15:01] OH, IF THAT'S OKAY. I CAN'T BE THERE THE 30TH. OKAY. ARE IT 22ND? I THINK IT'S BEST PROBABLY, IF WE DO ALSO IS ALWAYS GONNA BE EASIER ON THE SHIFT. YEAH. I MEAN IF WE, IF WE WANNA SET UP TWO MEETINGS, WE CAN DO THE 26TH AND THE SECOND. YEAH. THAT'S JUST GONNA BE DEPENDENT ON ABOUT HOW, I MEAN, AND OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING IN THE ROOM, BUT WE DO EARLY IN THE DAY ON 26TH. UH, 26 IS THREE TO FIVE IS WHAT WE HAVE. THAT'S ALL YOU GET ME HERE? EARLY. EARLY. LATER IS BETTER. LATER IS BETTER. UH, WELL, YEAH, I'M TIED UP FROM TWO TO THREE 30, LIKE 26. OKAY. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE PROBABLY THE 26TH AT THREE 30, IS THAT, DOES THAT WORK FOR, ARE YOU ABLE TO BE HERE AT THREE 30? NO, FOUR TRAVEL TIME. FOUR. FOUR. FOUR. OKAY. UM, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO FOUR ON THE 26TH. THE DAY IS THE 26TH. IT IS A THURSDAY. IT'S A COUNCIL THURSDAY. OH, OH, OH, OH, SORRY. . LIKE CANCEL TODAY. THAT DAY IS LIKE THE MORNING, YOU KNOW, THAT DAY. OKAY. PROBABLY NOT. OKAY. UM, YEAH. OKAY. NO, NO. 26TH THEN. OKAY. SO 30TH. ANYBODY 30 AND TWO ARE BOTH WIDE OPEN. I'M, I'M OUT ON THE 30TH. ON THE 30TH OR THE SECOND WAS ON 30TH LAST. YEAH. YEAH. SO YEAH, 30TH AND THE SECOND ARE GOOD. YOU GO ON THE SECOND. I'M ON VACATION. , YOU TRY NOT TO SAY IT LIKE I SAID. YEAH, I, YEAH. WE'LL STILL HAVE YOUR OPINION STUFF WE'LL TALK WITH. YEAH, I'LL BE HERE IN SPIRIT. . YEAH. LET'S TRY TO DO THE 30TH AND THE SECOND. OKAY. THIS, THE 30TH HAS TO BE AFTER TWO. YEP. WE CAN DO THAT. WE'LL DO THREE O'CLOCK, UM, TO MAKE SURE. WE'RE GONNA DO BOTH OF THOSE DAYS. YEAH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND SCHEDULE 'EM BOTH. YEAH. LOCK THEM IN WHILE EVERYBODY'S SCHEDULES THE 30TH AND THE SECOND OR TWO DAYS AWAY FROM EACH OTHER. IS THAT GOOD FOR ME? . . THAT IS HOW THE CALENDAR WORKS. I'M LIKE THAT'S CORRECT. GOOD CALL. GOOD CALL. I, I'M NOT OPPOSED, BUT THAT, THAT, THAT'S A BIT OF A SQUEEZE IF ANYTHING'S GONNA GET DONE IN THE MIDDLE. . UM, YEAH. OKAY. WE ALL HAVE FOR THE, THE SECOND WEEK IN JULY. ANYTHING PULLING IT UP? SORRY. NO, SHE'S LIKE, I'M WORKING ON RACE. DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. TAKE CARE. SO WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THE 30TH AT THREE YOU SAID? MM-HMM . OKAY. IT'S NOT YOUR CALENDAR THAT WEEK. UH, WE HAVE A TRIAL, BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO ATTEND JULY 8TH AT 10:30 AM OR 1:00 PM I'M GOOD FOR JULY 8TH. THAT'S ALSO BE GOOD BECAUSE WE'LL BE AT WORK. WHAT TIME DID WE SET? SHE SAID 10 30 OR ONE. MM-HMM . 10 30. LOOKS LIKE IT'S BETTER, BUT DOES THAT WORK WITH THE COURT STUFF? YEAH, WE'LL HAVE SOMEBODY COVERING IT, SO I DON'T NEED TO PERSONALLY BE THERE. THAT'S MY CALENDAR. LET'S, UH, OKAY. IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH 10 30 ON JULY THE EIGHTH? I AM. ALL RIGHT. SO WE WILL, I'M NOT GONNA CANCEL IT. OKAY. SO WE HAVE JUNE THE 30TH AT 3:00 PM AND THEN JULY THE EIGHTH AT 10:30 AM FOR OUR NEXT TWO MEETINGS. ALL RIGHT. THAT IS, IT CONCLUDES THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. AND SO WITH THAT, WE'LL, ADUR. ALRIGHT. THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.