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ALL, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND BEGIN THIS POLICE MEET AND CON CONFIRM MEETING.
IT IS WEDNESDAY, JULY THE 16TH AT 8 33 IN THE MORNING.
WE ARE IN THE BAYTOWN CONFERENCE ROOM AT CITY HALL.
FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CITIZEN COMMENTS, AND WE HAVE NONE OF THOSE.
ITEM TWO A, UH, IS TO CONSIDER A TIME AND DATE FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, I AM GOING TO ASK THAT WE, UH, TOLD THAT ITEM UNTIL THE END.
I HAVE WHICH ONE? SETTING TIME AND DATE.
YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED.
[b. Consider the Baytown Police Association's meet and confer proposals.]
IS TO CONSIDER THE BAYTOWN POLICE ASSOCIATIONS MEET AND CONFER PROPOSALS.SO I THINK THERE WAS A FEW OF THEM THAT WE NEEDED TO, UH, COME BACK.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO JUST GET OUT OF THE WAY IS THE, UM, WHAT IS IT CALLED? THE ROAD TEST, THE ONE THAT THE FITNESS, UM, AND LEAVE IT AS IS THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE WE STARTED THIS NEGOTIATION.
UM, THE VERBIAGE I THINK WE JUST CHANGED ON THERE WAS THE, UH, VOLUNTARY AND WE WILL JUST KEEP IT AND WE'LL TALK TO CHIEF ABOUT OTHER PARAMETERS TO PUT ON, UH, ON IT.
SO, UM, THAT ONE I, I THINK IS PROBABLY THE EASIEST ONE TO, TO START OFF WITH THE ARTICLE 15 FITNESS PROGRAM.
AND THEN, UH, THE NEXT ONE THAT WE WERE, UH, TALKING ABOUT WAS THE, UH, PROPOSAL THAT Y'ALL MADE FOR THE, UH, COMPENSATION MM-HMM
UM, SO WE SPOKE ABOUT IT LAST TIME IN REFERENCE TO THE RETIREMENT, RETIREMENT HEALTH, UH, SAVINGS ACCOUNT.
UM, AND WE SPOKE ABOUT PROBABLY DOING A REOPENER ON THAT JUST SO WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT MORE STUDY AND MORE, UM, INPUT FROM THE MEMBERS.
UM, SO IF WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THAT, IF THAT'S FINE WITH Y'ALL.
YES, WE'D LIKE TO COME BACK AND DISCUSS IT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, BUT RIGHT NOW WE, WE CANNOT DO ENOUGH RESEARCH AND GET ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION ON THAT CURRENTLY BEFORE THIS IS DONE.
BUT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY WAIT THE FULL TERM OF WHATEVER AGREEMENT WE COME TO HERE.
SO YOU'RE JUST ASKING TO PULL JUST THE RHS PORTION OF THE OFFER, RIGHT.
I PROBABLY SHOULD MORE COPIES OF THIS FOR Y'ALL.
UM, AND THEN FOR THE, UH, REST OF THE COMPENSATION, IT'S GONNA BE JUST THE, UH, BASE BAY.
SO WE WERE, UM, WANTING TO PRESENT, UM, THROUGH YOUR CONTRACT AGAIN, UM, AT 16%.
UM, SO FOR, FOR THE FIRST YEAR, 6% AND THEN 6%.
UM, AND WE'D BE OPEN TO WHATEVER Y'ALL DISCUSS WITH THAT.
SO FIRST YEAR IS 4% AND THEN A SIX AND A SIX? YES.
AND THEN THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN RIGHT.
UH, I FEEL THAT ALL THE OTHER ONES WERE JUST VERBIAGE STUFF THAT WE HAD TAED ON FOR THE REST OF IT.
I WOULD SAY A LOT OF IT GOT WRAPPED INTO THE COMPENSATION PROPOSAL IN TERMS OF, UH, THE TERMINAL LEAVE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND Y'S PROPOSALS ON THE BUYBACK AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
AND ALSO WITH, UH, THERE WAS NO VERBIAGE OF CHANGING, UH, THE VACATION AND THE HOLIDAY TIME TO MAKE IT NOT WORK TIME.
UM, WE'RE NOT WANTING TO DO THAT, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA AGREE TO THAT TERM.
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THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH IT.UH, THEN, UH, LET US CAUCUS AND WE'LL GET BACK TOGETHER.
YOU CAN HAVE HAVE KROLL SIDE OF THE TABLE.
Y'ALL DO Y'ALL DO IT IS THE SERVICE WE PROVIDE
YOU FEEL THIS ONE BEFORE I LEAVE THE ROOM? STEVE, GOOD TO SEE YOU, SIR.
OH, IS HE'S PART OF THE MM-HMM
YOU WANNA TURN US OFF OVER THERE? USED TO KNOW THEM YOUNG GUYS.
THEY, THEY NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY.
WE'RE NOT WHAT WE USED TO BE, BUT WE'VE ALWAYS GOT ONE IN US, RIGHT.
WE ALWAYS GOT ONE LEFT AND ONE DAY YOU'LL KNOW.
SO, UM, SO ARTICLE 15, THE FITNESS WILL BRING THAT BACK FOR A TA.
UH, WE WILL ALSO BRING BACK THE TERMINAL LEAVE POLICY ARTICLE 14.
UM, THERE WAS NO CHANGE TO THAT.
I THINK WE NEED TO INSERT A WORD LIKE DAYS.
UM, SO WE'LL BRING THAT ONE BACK IN TERMS OF THE COMPENSATION PROPOSAL.
UM, SO WE ARE AGREEABLE TO THE FIRST YEAR WITH 4%.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE THEN TO MOVE TO WAGE REOPEN OPENERS FOR YEARS TWO AND THREE.
UM, IN THAT DISCUSSION, THAT'S SECTION ONE OF THAT ARTICLE THAT ALSO CONTAINS THE MARKET LANGUAGE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK AND JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
IT'S BEEN A NUMBER OF YEARS SINCE WE'VE, UH, ESTABLISHED THE MARKET.
WE JUST NEED TO GO BACK AND TOUCH BASE ON THAT AND SEE IF THAT IS STILL HOW THE CURRENT MARKET NEEDS TO BE DEFINED.
AND THEN WE DO WANT TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RHS AND SO CONTINUE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
UM, IF WE CAN GET SOME PARAMETERS BUILT AND, AND STOP THEM, BRING THAT BACK AS AN AMENDMENT LATER, UM, TO THE CONTRACT.
UM, ALSO IN THE COMPENSATION PROPOSAL, UM, THE SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL, UM, STILL REMOVING THAT AND THEN, UH, CLEANING UP THE LANGUAGE THAT Y'ALL HAD PROPOSED ON THE HOLIDAY PREMIUM PAY TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ONLY GETTING PAID ONCE RIGHT.
SO, UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER BACK.
OPEN THOSE FOR YEAR TWO AND THREE.
AND YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR MARKET AS TO YOU TALKING ABOUT THE GEOGRAPHIC DIFFERENTIAL.
THAT WHOLE PARAGRAPH THAT SAYS BLAH BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
UM, YEAH, THAT
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THE GOAL IS BECAUSE LAST TIME IT TOOK US A WHILE TO WORK THROUGH THAT.
UM, SO I DON'T WANNA WAIT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY SHOW UP TO START NEGOTIATING BECAUSE WE USUALLY DO ALL THE PRE-WORK AHEAD OF TIME.
SO I WOULD PROBABLY SAY, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, WE WOULD WANT TO COME BACK AND START THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE MARKET AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE
CAN WE PUT TOGETHER SOME SORT OF A, UH, WORK GROUP SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T, THOSE MEETINGS WOULDN'T BE SUBJECT TO OPEN MEETINGS ACT AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD.
UM, THAT WE JUST HAVE WORK GROUPS.
SAME THING WITH THE RH SI WOULD WANT THAT TO BE MORE OF A WORK.
WE DON'T MIND THEM BEING OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, BUT WE KNOW IT CREATES A NUISANCE FOR YOU TO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH THE TIMELINES AND POSTINGS AND ALL THAT.
NO, IT'S A LOT EASIER, UM, ON, ON THESE ISSUES JUST TO HANDLE IT AS DISCUSSIONS.
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RIGHT.AND THEN ONCE WE BELIEVE, WE'RE YOU PRETTY CLOSE TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE, THEN WE SCHEDULE THE FORMAL MEETINGS TO COME BACK AND, UM, PRESENT THOSE ITEMS FOR THE RECORD AND THAT SORT OF THING.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE'VE DONE THAT A NUMBER OF TIMES ON DIFFERENT THINGS, SO THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
AND THE 4% WOULD INCLUDE GIVING UP THE, THE, THE SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO DISCUSS ALSO AS WELL WITH THESE MOVING FORWARD WITH RAISES AND WHATNOT, UM, JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR, THIS IS NOT COMING OUT OF OUR BUDGET.
IT'S GONNA BE AN ADDED, I GUESS, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WE'RE, I GUESS WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE MONEY'S ACTUALLY COMING FROM.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANNA FUND OUR RAISES THROUGH DECREASES IN THE OPERATIONAL BUDGET FOR THE PD, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
I THINK THAT'S A REALLY BIG CONVERSATION.
I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND REALLY LIKE WORK THROUGH THAT.
THAT'S A REALLY BIG CONVERSATION THOUGH, AND IT'S, IT'S A CHALLENGE TO ANSWER THAT.
UM, ESPECIALLY IF YOU GO PAST YEAR ONE AND UM, LIKE WITH YEAR ONE, I CAN SAY IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE PD BUDGET.
I CAN SAY THAT, UH, YEAR TWO, I CAN'T SAY THAT YEAR THREE, I CAN'T SAY THAT.
AND ANYTHING BEYOND LIKE 12 MONTHS FROM NOW, I CAN'T SAY IT AT ALL.
AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT KNOWING THE FULL HISTORY HERE BECAUSE I WAS PART IMAGINATION.
BUT THAT WAS, WAS THE CITY MANAGER HERE AT THAT POINT? YES.
WE, WE WERE UNDER THE CONTRACT TERMS OF THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER.
BUT JAY WAS HERE FOR THE LAST YES.
AND THERE WAS A REOPENER OF THE MONDAY MM-HMM
AND THE STATEMENT WAS MADE, THE ONLY WAY WE CAN DO THIS IS BY CUTTING OTHER THINGS OUT OF THE PRE CURRENT POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, IF THAT WAS YOUR STATEMENT, MAYBE THE CHIEF CAN ABSORBING IT WAS, WAS YEAH, WE'D HAVE TO ABSORB IT AND DRAW OUR CURRENT DRAW.
[c. Consider the City of Baytown's meet and confer proposals.]
MAXED OUT YOU MIND.I'M GONNA DRAW UP HERE REAL QUICK.
I KNOW THAT AS Y'ALL CAN GUESS, WE ALREADY WENT THROUGH THIS.
27, 28, 29 30 COLA, LET'S SAY 4%.
FOR THE ORGANIZATION THAT EQUATES TO $4 MILLION.
OKAY? UM, FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.
YOU THEN HAVE, UM, NEW, SO POLICE IS ASKING FOR 20 OFFICERS OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
SORRY, HYPOTHETICALLY, I'M GONNA DO TWO OFFICERS RIGHT NOW.
LET'S SAY THIS RIGHT NOW WHAT WE HAVE BUILT IN FRONT OF US IS 4 MILLION YEAR, ONE, YEAR, TWO, YEAR THREE, OKAY.
AND WE ALSO HAVE TWO OFFICERS ADDED EACH YEAR.
OKAY? I HAD TWO OFFICERS HERE AND TWO OFFICERS HERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE IN YEARS 29 AND 30.
OUR CURRENT, OUR CURRENT BUDGET FOR FY 26 IS $106 MILLION FOR ALL PERSONNEL COSTS IN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN INCLUDES SAVINGS.
THIS INCLUDES A 5% VACANCY SAVINGS.
UM, FROM HERE, THIS WOULD TAKE ME TO ONE 10.
I'M ROUNDING UP JUST TO KEEP IT SIMPLE MATH, EVERYBODY ONE 10.5.
THIS WOULD THEN TAKE ME TO ONE 15.
THIS WOULD THEN TAKE ME TO ONE 15.5.
AND BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COLA IS FOR THOSE TWO YEARS, OKAY? THE NO NEW REVENUE, WHICH CURRENTLY THE, THE DRIVING FACTOR FOR ALL REVENUE GENERATION IN THE CITY, IT CREATES NO ADDITIONAL TAX, BUT NEW GROWTH EQUALS $2 MILLION.
OKAY? SO THIS, THIS IS GROWTH THAT DOESN'T COUNT AGAINST THE TAX RATE.
SO WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE $2 MILLION THAT CAN ADD ON THAT.
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WE THEN MAYBE HAVE PLUS ONE TO TWO AND OTHER PIECES THAT WILL GROW IN THERE.IF THEY GO TO THE HIGH END OF VOTER APPROVAL RATE, WHICH IS THE MAX THAT THEY CAN GO BEFORE THE CITIZENS GOES, THAT THEN ADDS MAYBE ANOTHER ONE TO $2 MILLION.
SO AT THE MAX, AT THE ABSOLUTE MAX, THE CITY CAN GROW IN REVENUE BY $6 MILLION.
THE ABSOLUTE MAX EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
BY AND LARGE, THEY'RE STICKING FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS THEY'VE BEEN HERE AND WE'VE ONLY BEEN GROWING BY 3 MILLION TO $4 MILLION A YEAR.
SO LET'S AVERAGE THAT OUT AND SAY IT'S $4 MILLION A YEAR.
I'VE ALREADY, I'M ALREADY BEHIND AT THIS POINT.
THIS MEANS I CAN'T ADD ANY NEW EMPLOYEES ANYWHERE ELSE.
OKAY? THIS MEANS THAT I CAN'T HAVE ANY OTHER GROWTH ANYWHERE ELSE.
AND SO THE REASON I CAN'T COMMIT TO THAT ANSWER BEING THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ABSORBED IN DEPARTMENTS IS BECAUSE I'M ALREADY GROWING MORE THAN I, OR, UH, I'M ALREADY GROWING LESS IN REVENUE THAN I AM IN EXPENSES.
AND SO I CAN'T GUARANTEE, I CAN GUARANTEE 'CAUSE I KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW.
THE REASON THAT WE HAD GROWTH IN FY 26 BUDGET IS BECAUSE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT UPPED THEIR, THEIR FEES, WHICH ADDED $1 MILLION AND OUR INVESTMENT INCOME IS NOW STABILIZED.
IT ADDED AN ADDITIONAL 1.5 MILLION.
BUT NOW THAT THOSE ARE STABILIZED, THAT GROWTH ISN'T GONNA BE HERE ANYMORE BECAUSE WE'RE BASED, WE'RE BUILDING OUR REVENUE BUDGET OFF OF THIS NEW STANDARD THAT IS ALREADY THERE.
AND SO THE ONLY THING I CAN COUNT ON IN REVENUE GROWTH IS THIS TAX RATE.
AND I HAVE TO PLAY BETWEEN THE THREE TO $6 MILLION RANGE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
SO RIGHT NOW, THE COUNCIL HAS A GROUP THAT IS TRYING TO REPLACE TWO OF THE INDIVIDUALS, POSSIBLY THREE BECAUSE THEY WANT THIS, THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THAT GROUP IS TRYING TO DO.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE.
YOU ALSO GOT A LITTLE BILL PER ISSUE ON THE NEW
I THINK THAT IS EXACTLY THE CONVERSATION ANYWAY.
IT'S NOT YOUR INTENT TO DO IT, BUT YOU CAN'T PROMISE IT WON'T GET TO THAT.
I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY THE CONVERSATION.
UH, YOU TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO CHAT? YES.
THE CAUCUS A MINUTE, NOT AN HOUR.
YOU KNOW, WE WERE IN THE WRONG ROOM, SO WE THOUGHT MAYBE YOU THOUGHT WE, JOEY, IS THAT A PEN OR A PENCIL PIN? WE GOT A TIME ON IT.
IT'S A LEVEL, IT'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER.
UM, WE WILL RECONVENE THIS MEETING.
ALRIGHT CAROL, I GUESS WE'LL GET BACK TO BUSINESS.
ALRIGHT, SO, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND SAY THAT AT THIS TIME WE CANNOT ACCEPT THE CURRENT OFFER.
UM, THAT IS THE, UH, 4% FOR THE FIRST YEAR AND THEN A REOPENER FOR YEARS TWO AND THREE.
UM, WE DO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE FINANCIAL DIFFICULTIES THAT THE CITY'S GOING THROUGH.
UM, WE'VE ALL EXPRESSED IT SEVERAL TIMES TOGETHER AND OUR MEMBERS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON AND EVERYTHING.
SO WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT Y'ALL ARE FIGHTING AGAINST SOMETHING, RIGHT? UM, BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, IF WE GO INTO ASK THEM, HEY, WOULD Y'ALL ACCEPT THIS? I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD.
UM, SO WE GOTTA CONSIDER THAT AS WELL.
UM, ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTA LOOK AT OTHER THINGS.
YOU KNOW, THE THE BAD DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE BEFORE YOU GOT HERE, WE'RE ALL TRYING TO FIX THEM TOGETHER, RIGHT? THE $1.5 MILLION THAT WE HAD TO CUT FROM OUR BUDGET, UM, THAT'S IMPACTING US, UH, AS WELL.
I MEAN CCPD, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S GOING.
UM, SO ALSO WE ALSO HAVE ABOUT 40% OF THE DEPARTMENT THAT'S ELIGIBLE FOR RETIREMENT.
SO WE GOTTA STILL LOOK TO BE COMPETITIVE WITH OTHER CITIES AROUND US AND THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF TEXAS BECAUSE I MEAN, WE'RE LOSING OFFICERS LEFT AND RIGHT.
UM, I THINK THERE'S A FEW THAT HAVE BEEN CONSIDERING LEAVING EVEN AFTER THIS HPD RAISE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO WE GOTTA TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP GOING WITH THE MARKET AND WITH ALSO WITH,
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WITH EVERYBODY AROUND US.UM, I I WANT TO ADD THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT WE FULLY APPRECIATE THE IMPACT THAT HOUSTON'S GONNA HAVE ON A WHOLE BUNCH OF AGENCIES AROUND HERE.
THEY'RE FIXING TO TRY TO HIRE 1800 OFFICERS OVER THE COMING YEAR.
ALMOST IMMEDIATELY THEY'RE GONNA BE STEALING THEM FROM OTHER AGENCIES.
AND IF YOU GOT 40% OF THE DEPARTMENT'S ELIGIBLE TO RETIRE, IT'S GONNA BE HARD FOR OFFICERS NOT TO GO, HEY WAIT, I CAN PULL A RETIREMENT IN.
YEAH,
UM, SO I MEAN WITH THAT BEING SAID, I MEAN WITH WITH THE CURRENT OFFER, I MEAN WE WENT FROM 3, 4, 4 TO A A LESS, IT KIND OF FEELS LIKE AN, I MEAN IT IS A LESS OF AN OFFER, UM, WITH IT BEING A 4% AND THEN I REOPENER AND REOPENER, I MEAN IT WENT FROM A GUARANTEED 3, 4, 4 TO THIS, RIGHT? SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT HAS BEEN SHARED WITH THE MEMBERS AND NOW WE COME BACK AND SAYING THIS IS THEIR COUNTER OFFER.
UM, SO AT THIS TIME, UH, WE'D LIKE WE ARE ASKING FOR A 7% IN ONE YEAR, UM, WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL AND UH, JUST DO A ONE YEAR AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK NEXT YEAR TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
AGREE TO CREATE THE COMMITTEE THOUGH AND START WORKING ON THIS.
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE WERE WANTING TO POSSIBLY WORK ON THE MARKET OR LOOK, TAKE A LOOK AT THE MARKET.
SO I MEAN WE COME OUTTA HERE WITH THIS OR WHATEVER WE AGREE UPON AND START WORKING ON IT LIKE RIGHT NOW, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO WAIT UNTIL WE GO TO CONTRACT AGAIN, NEGOTIATIONS AGAIN.
ALSO STILL LOOKING AT RHS OR IS THAT OFF THE TABLE? THAT'S OFF THE TABLE AT THIS TIME, JUST SO WE CAN TAKE MORE TIME TO LOOK AT IT.
SO WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM IS, WHILE THE 4% IS IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU PROPOSED, IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT FLY, YOU NEED THE GUARANTEE OF FUTURE YEARS.
CAN Y'ALL EXPAND ON THE HOUSTON THING AND THE IMPACT? SO HOUSTON'S AGREEMENT IS SO MUCH OVER HOW MANY YEARS? IT'S GONNA BE OVER FIVE YEARS.
AND AFTER FIVE YEARS THEY'LL BE MATCHING WHAT WE CURRENTLY MAKE, RIGHT? OR JUST A SHORTLY? UH, A SLIGHTLY ABOVE.
NO, BUT THEIR OFFICERS WILL BE TOPPING OUT AT 1 35, 38, 5, 1 38 AT THE END OF THIS CONTRACT.
THEY, THEY, THEY AFTER 20 YEARS 'CAUSE THEY'RE A 20 YEAR STEP, RIGHT? CORRECT.
IT IS EXCEPT THEY'RE HAVING, THEY'RE INSTITUTING A LATERAL PROGRAM SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO.
SO A 20 YEAR OFFICER MYSELF, I DROP PAPER NEXT WEEK, GET MY RETIREMENT HERE.
I'M NOT DOING THAT CHIEF SAYING
UM, BUT THE REST OF THAT STORY WITH HOUSTON TOO, I UNDERSTAND THE POLICE IMPACT.
THE REST OF THAT STORY THAT'S NOT BEING TOLD IS THAT IT'S DRAINING ALL THEIR OTHER RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
RIGHT? WITHOUT IT, WE'RE SIMPLY TALKING ABOUT THE IMPACT IT WILL HAVE ON THE POLICE TOMORROW.
WE UNDERSTAND YOU GOTTA BARGAIN FOR THE WHOLE CITY, RIGHT? WE'RE JUST BARGAINING FOR THE COPS.
AND PLUS, I MEAN IF, AND, AND LET'S JUST USE BILL AS AN EXAMPLE.
THEY'RE NOT ONLY SAYING YOU CAN COME OVER HERE MAKING A 20 YEAR OFFICER SALARY.
HE WILL ALSO BE ALL STARTING TO PULL HIS TMRS OR E START DRAWING THAT, GETTING THAT SALARY AND THEN START UP IN THIS A DIFFERENT RETIREMENT SYSTEM OVER THERE WHERE THEY JUST REINSTITUTED THE DROP PROGRAM AND THE REVERSE DROP PROGRAM AND THE BEHIND THE BACK AND BETWEEN THE LEGS DROP PROGRAM, THEY JUST REINSTITUTE ALL KINDS OF STUFF TO TRY TO ATTRACT THESE, I'D SAY 900 OFFICERS IMMEDIATELY AT 1800 IN THE COMING YEARS.
UM, UH, I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE A BIG IMPACT FROM IT.
NOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE, I'M COMING FROM A PLACE OF CURIOSITY.
I'M NOT TRYING TO ARGUE WITH YOU ALL.
I'M GENUINELY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT BETTER ON WHAT HE'S GONNA DO.
RUNNING THEMSELVES CRAZY, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY'RE GONNA TRY AND GET SOME SORT OF PERIOD AND NOT LOSE A BUNCH OF THEIR DEPUTIES IN THIS PROCESS.
AND IT'S NOT JUST HPD OR HARRIS COUNTY, IT'S YOUR DEER PARKS, YOUR REPORTS, YOUR FAIRLAND, SIGNIFICANT FAIRLAND IS A SIGNIFICANT ONE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE FIGHTING WITH.
UM, SO IT'S NOT JUST OUR COMPARISON CITIES THAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN COMPARED TO IN OUR STUDIES, BUT THE LOCAL ONES ARE, ARE STAYING WITH US OR IF NOT SURPASSING US.
AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT IMMEDIATELY, YOU KNOW, IMPACT US.
I MEAN WE TALKED ABOUT THAT MONTHS AGO, RIGHT? RIGHT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WANTING TO MAYBE RESTRUCTURE
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OUR, OUR CITIES, BUT IN MONT BELLEVUE, CHAMBERS COUNTY, THEY'RE ALL COMING UP IN PAY.SO WE KIND OF WANNA STAY AHEAD OF THE, OF THE BALL GAME BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE LOSING TO THESE, THESE AGENCIES IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
AND WE HAVE SPENT SEVERAL YEARS NOW STEALING OFFICERS FROM OTHER AGENCIES.
IT DID WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO, BUT THEY HAVE NO LOYALTY TO US.
SO, I MEAN, YOU GOTTA THINK ABOUT THE GAINS WE'VE MADE.
WE'RE FIXING TO POTENTIALLY LOSE ON TOP OF THE RETIREMENTS.
'CAUSE THOSE ARE GONNA HAPPEN REGARDLESS.
UM, AND THE BEST, THE ABSOLUTE BEST RECRUITING TOOL RIGHT NOW IN LAW ENFORCEMENT NATIONWIDE IS TO STEAL OFFICERS FROM EACH OTHER.
WE'RE JUST NOT GETTING THE SAME NUMBER, THAT SAME QUANTITY OR THE SAME QUALITY OF PEOPLE WANTING TO GET INTO THE PROFESSION ANYMORE.
IT JUST DOES HOUSTON HAVE ALL THE SAME CERT PAYS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GO WITH IT? OH, THEY'VE GOT, THEY ALL KINDS OF ADD-ON PAYS OVER THERE.
PLUS THEY GOT THE ALTERNATIVE CAREER LADDERS AND, YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
SO YOU, THEIR MEET AND CONFER IS OVER A HUNDRED PAGES LONG.
IT'S, AND YES, WE DO UNDERSTAND, LET'S NOT TRY THAT.
I THINK THEY CUT 600 CIVILIAN POSITIONS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RIGHT.
IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO WE YEAH, WE ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE THAT AND UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER REALITY TO BE BASED.
AND, AND, AND WE'RE NOT SITTING HERE BY ANY STRETCH OF IMAGINING THINKING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE PARITY WITH HBD.
BUT WE HAVE TO BE IN THE GAME.
WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO PUT A FINGER IN THE HOLE IN THE D**E
WHILE WE MOVE FORWARD, WE'D LOVE TO GET A MULTI-YEAR DEAL DONE RIGHT NOW MM-HMM
BUT IN THE ALTERNATIVE, THIS IS, THIS IS THE FINGER OF THE DOCK THING, BUT THE OTHER THING THAT Y'ALL SAID IS THE 4 4 4 GUARANTEE IS ALMOST A WAY FORWARD AT THE SAME TIME IS WHAT I HEARD FROM Y'ALL.
WELL, I, I THINK WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO SAY BETTER STARTING POINT.
THE, THE ORIGINAL OFFER ON THE TABLE TABLE TAB, Y'ALL'S COUNTER FEELS LIKE A STEP BACKWARDS FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ON THE TABLE.
SO AT THAT POINT WE'RE JUST NEGOTIATING WITH OURSELVES.
SO WHAT, WHAT ARE WE DOING? SO AT THIS POINT, WAS THERE A 4 4 4 ON THE TABLE? IT WAS, IT WAS AT THREE FOUR.
FOUR FOUR OR THREE AND A HALF.
IF WE GAVE UP THE, AS OPPOSED TO RIGHT NOW IT'S FOUR AND REOPENED.
SO THAT WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S ACTUALLY A, A, A STEP BACK FROM THE OFFER THAT WE HAD WHEN WE GOT HERE TODAY.
ALRIGHT, WELL, WE'LL CONTEMPLATE
UM, AND I'M ACTUALLY HEADING TO THE CITY MANAGER BUDGET MEETING RIGHT NOW WITH ALL THE CITY MANAGERS AROUND THE AREA, SO I BET THAT'S MORE FUN.
I'LL BRING THIS TO, WHAT ARE Y'ALL DOING? YEAH, WHO'S RECRUITING HEAVILY RIGHT NOW?
[a. Consider confirming the time and date of the next meet and confer session.]
LET'S UM, SWING BACK TO ITEM TWO A, WHICH WAS TO SET, UH, TIME AND DATE FOR THE NEXT, UH, MEETING.AND OUR FIRST AVAILABLE IS JULY THE 28TH, WHICH IS A MONDAY AT 4:00 PM ARE Y'ALL AVAILABLE? THAT'S RIGHT AFTER CONFERENCE, RIGHT? YEAH, WE'RE IN CONFERENCE THAT WEEKEND.
I WON'T BE BACK UNTIL TUESDAY.
Y'ALL BE ACTUALLY CONFERENCES IN HOUSTON? YEAH, I KNOW
I'M STILL NOT GONNA BE BACK UNTIL SOMETIME MONDAY WORK AFTER THE FACT.
DEPENDS ON HOW LONG THE BOARD MEETING GOES.
RIGHT? I WAS GONNA SAY THAT, I'M GUESSING THAT BOARD MEETING IS DONE BY ONE OR TWO IN THE AFTERNOON.
ACTUALLY, WE WORK PRETTY GOOD FOR ME.
I THINK I JUST STAY ANOTHER DAY.
I WAS, I THINK WE WERE SUPPOSED TO PICK UP GRAND BABIES, COME TO HOUSTON AND HANG OUT.
IS IT OKAY IF I BRING THREE GRAND BABIES IN HERE WITH ME? YOU WANNA COME TO THE WESTERN DOWNTOWN? WE CAN.
I'LL COME TO THE WESTERN DOWNTOWN.
OR WE CAN HAVE A DAYCARE AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO DO WE WANT THE EIGHTH? I GOTTA HIT THE ROAD MYSELF.
WHAT TIME'S? UH, FOUR 4:00 PM THAT'S, THAT'S DOABLE.
I THINK WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
DETERMINE DOWNTOWN OR HERE? I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE HERE 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA PAY FOR AN EXTRA, UH, DAY OF THE CONFERENCE ROOM.
NO, ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY WE ARE FLUSH.
UM, WE'RE BEING UH, VERY PRUDENT WITH OUR MONEY.
REALLY? TELL ME ABOUT HOW THAT WORKS.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO RAISE YOUR DUES WHEN YOU NEED TO.
IT MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD.
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THE PROBLEM WITH THE HOTEL IS THEY'RE GONNA BE FULL WILL SICK OF US BUYING.WE'VE BEEN INVITED NOT TO COME BACK TO SOME OF THE NICEST HOTELS IN TEXAS.
WITH THAT EVERYTHING HAS BEEN ADJOURNED, UH, ADDRESSED THAT WE WILL ADJOURN.