* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. ALL RIGHT, [00:00:01] WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. UM, THIS IS THE MEET AND CON CONFIRM MEETING. IT'S WEDNESDAY, JUNE 25TH, 2025. IT IS EIGHT 30 IN THE MORNING. WE ARE IN THE BAYTOWN CONFERENCE ROOM AT CITY HALL. THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CITIZEN COMMENTS HAVE NONE. ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO BUSINESS ITEM [a. Consider the Baytown Police Association's meet and confer proposals. ] NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS TO CONSIDER ANY, UH, PROPOSALS FROM THE BAYTOWN POLICE ASSOCIATION. I THINK OTHER THAN WHAT WE PRESENTED LAST TIME, BUT THERE'S NOTHING NEW, SO, RIGHT. UM, DO Y'ALL ANTICIPATE BRINGING ANY OTHER ONES FORWARD? I APPROACH. I MADE A COMMENT LAST TIME. POTENTIALLY. POTENTIALLY, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR YOUR COUNTERS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE DOING. OH, OKAY. FAIR, FAIR . ALL RIGHT. THEN WE [b. Consider the City of Baytown's meet and confer proposals. ] WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS TO CONSIDER THE CITY OF A TOWNS BEING CONFER PROPOSALS. UM, SO THAT, ALL RIGHT. SO THE FIRST, UM, ARTICLE THAT WE'RE BRINGING BACK IS THE ALTERNATE HIRING. UM, CAN CORRECT ME WRONG, UH, THIS WAS TO INCLUDE THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAD DONE ON FILLING THE BEGINNING POSITIONS AND MAKE SURE ALL THE, UH, MOST RECENT CURRENT LANGUAGE IS IN THERE, AS WELL AS CONFLICT BETWEEN US AND THAT. WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THAT'S GOOD. WE WERE JUST COMBINING ARTICLE SECTION ONE THAT YOU SEE THERE IS THE, PRETTY MUCH THE ORIGINAL ARTICLE SEVEN THAT WE HAD. NOTHING CHANGED IN THERE. OUTSIDE OF THAT HEADING FOR SECTION ONE. WHAT WE ROLLED IN WAS THE FIRST AMENDMENT THAT WE DID FOR THE PROCEDURES FOR THE ALTERNATE DURING PROCESS. WE ADDED IT IN HERE AS PART OF THAT PACKAGE, AND THEN THERE WAS SOME CLEANUP ON SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT HAS TO STRIKE THROUGH THAT. WE PUT IN THE BEGINNING 2023 PROCEDURE FOR CREATING THIS. IT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED NOW AT THIS POINT. AND LAST YEAR I MET WITH ASSOCIATION AND CHIEF IN REGARDS TO THE VERY LAST PAGE. THERE WAS SOME CLARITY THAT WE NEEDED TO PUT AS FAR AS THE ADDITIONAL FIVE POINTS FOR SOMEBODY WHO HAD A PEACE OFFICER LICENSE ALREADY. IT KIND OF JUST SAID OUT-OF-STATE PEOPLE, BUT I THINK THE INTENT WAS FOR IN-STATE AND OUT-OF-STATE, THAT TEST FOR AN ENTRANCE TEST. WE WERE JUST MAKING SURE WE ADDED THAT. GOT IT CLEANED UP. OKAY. THAT PACKAGE, THAT'S THE WHOLE ISSUE WITH THE MILITARY. IT JUST REFLECTED OUT-OF-STATE PEOPLE GETTING CREDIT AND NOT THE INSTATE PEOPLE. AND THAT WASN'T THE INTENT FROM WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. OKAY. HONOR, HOLD THAT PART. CAUCUS, OR DO YOU HAVE TO GO AHEAD? CAN WE GO THROW 'EM ALL AND THEN COFFEE? OKAY. YEAH, TOTALLY FINE. IT'S JUST LIKE . MOVE ON. WE GOT Y'ALL. ALL RIGHT. SO THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, THE RELOCATION EXPENSES FOR NEW HIRES. UM, SO Y'ALL HAD ACTUALLY MADE A REQUEST TO EXPAND IT TO THE ETJ, WHICH, UM, WE DID NOT FEEL THAT'S APPROPRIATE, SO WE'RE LEAVING IT AT THE CITY LIMITS. UM, IN OUR CONVERSATION, THERE WAS SOME RECENT, UH, A QUESTION OR ISSUE WITH AN INDIVIDUAL THAT, UM, I THINK THERE HAD BEEN AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME WHEN THEY HAD MOVED IN BEFORE THEY CLAIMED THE REIMBURSEMENT. SO WE JUST PUT IN KIND OF SOME, UM, PARAMETERS AROUND THE TIME LENGTH. YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU MOVE IN WITHIN 60 DAYS, YOU NEED TO GO AHEAD AND FILE FOR THOSE REIMBURSEMENTS. AND THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE, THE CLOSING COSTS I THINK COSTS SIMILAR PROVISION THAT WE HAVE IN. OKAY. AND THEN ADMIN ALSO, YOU CAN ONLY, YOU CAN ONLY USE IT ONCE. RIGHT. CAN'T, I'LL MOVE BACK AND FORTH OR ANYBODY WHO LOVES MOVING, I HATE MOVING. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE AT THIS POINT? NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ARTICLE IS 13, WHICH IS THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS PROCEDURE. SO THIS WAS SOME CLEANUP LANGUAGE ON, UH, INCORPORATING THE MOST RECENT AMENDMENT, WHICH THERE'S ONE COPY OF, OF THAT. THAT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS JUST GONNA ADD THE, UH, GUARDIAN AND ALL THAT WORDING IN THERE FOR THIS RAIN. YEAH. SO IT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS UPDATED AFTER THE GUARDIAN WAS ADDED, AND I THINK IT WAS NOT SPECIFIC. UM, [00:05:01] I DON'T THINK IT SPECIFICALLY NAMED THE SOFTWARE. IT LEFT AT BROAD. SO IN CASE YOU DECIDED TO MOVE TO A DIFFERENT SOFTWARE PACKAGE TO TRACK, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND UPDATE THAT. AND POINT OF REFERENCE. THIS SAYS 2014, THAT'S MY ERROR. THAT IS NOT . OKAY. , LET'S JUST SAY 2024. THIS WAS THE DATE THAT COUNSEL HAD RATIFIED THE AGREEMENT AFTER WE WENT FOR THAT. SO, AND THIS, I BELIEVE SHE STILL WANTS TO CLEAN UP SOME OF THE, THE TOP PART, AT LEAST WITH THE, BUT THIS PORTION SHOULD BE GOOD AS FAR AS WHEN IT WAS AMENDED. LAST. THIS STU READY INCLUDES, IT DOESN'T SAY GUARDIAN ANYWHERE, IT JUST SAYS SOFTWARE, RIGHT? IN CASE SOMETHING CHANGES, IT'S MORE BROAD. AND THAT'S WHAT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR. WHEN WE DID, WE WANTED TO INDICATE THE MOST RECENT DATE. UH, BUT USUALLY IT'S ON THE TOP ONE. OKAY. AND THAT WAY IT, UH, BEST PRACTICES FOR THE, UH, ACCREDITATION. ALRIGHT. AND THEN THE NEXT ARTICLE, UH, WAS ARTICLE 15, WHICH IS THE FITNESS PROGRAM. YOU'LL NEED THEM. Y'ALL WANNA SEE WHAT Y ARE YOU GONNA AGREE TO ? BE NICE. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. UH, AND THIS WAS, UH, YOUR REQUEST WAS TO TAKE IT THROUGH A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM AND WE HAD SAID WE AGREED WITH THAT. SO THIS IS JUST TO SHOW CLEANING UP THE LANGUAGE TO DO SO, BUT NOT UPDATING IT TO A NEW 1215. RIGHT. NO CHANGE IN THE, OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL NEED A COPY OF THIS, BUT JUST FOR REFERENCE, SO, YOU KNOW, UM, SO YOU ALL HAD REQUESTED SOME CHANGES IN HOW VACATION IS ACCRUED IN TERMS OF LENGTH OF SERVICE AND WE ARE, UH, REJECTING THIS PROPOSAL. OKAY? OKAY. RIGHT NEXT, UM, WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO, UM, REALLY KIND OF THE COMPENSATION PROPOSAL. AND SO IT HAS, UH, MULTIPLE DIFFERENT PIECES TO IT. UM, THE, THE FIRST TWO I WANNA PRESENT IN CONTEXT OF, OF THE COMP, UM, PROPOSAL. 'CAUSE ONCE I GET PAST 12 AND 14 AND GET INTO THE REST OF THE COMP PROPOSAL, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BETTER. UM, SO NO, ARTICLE 12 WAS THE OVERTIME. SO YOU ALL HAD REQUESTED, UH, THE REMOVAL OF THE ASSISTANT CHIEF LANGUAGE BECAUSE IT WAS NO LONGER NEEDED. UM, IT'S FINE AND AGREEABLE. I ENDED UP SHORT ON THAT. BUT, UM, THE OTHER CHANGE IS, UH, REMOVING THE LANGUAGE UNDER TIMED WORK OF VACATION LEAVE AND HOLIDAY LEAVE, COUNTING TOWARDS TIME WORK. BUT WE DO WANT TO LEAVE IN THE WORKERS' COMP AND THEN THE TWO ADMIN LEAVE ABSENCES, UM, BOTH FOR THE COMP AND THEN ALSO FOR, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE THAT'S NOT ASSOCIATED TO DISCIPLINE. SO, YOU KNOW, AFTER AN EVENT OR SOMETHING WHEN THE CHIEF PLACES Y'ALL ON LEAVE, UM, THAT IS, UH, POLICY STILL INCLUDED IN THE WORK TIME AS IT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY. WHY ARE Y'ALL WANTING TO REMOVE VACATION ON HOLIDAY NOW? THERE IS A LOT OF COST TO THAT. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, SO FLSA OF COURSE DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY OF THIS TIME. IT'S ONLY ACTUAL WORKED HOURS. UM, AND SO AT SOME POINT IN THE PAST WE EXPANDED IT AND WE'RE AT A A POINT 'CAUSE ALL OF THAT DOES ADD COST TO THE CITY. THE OTHERS ALSO ADD COST TO THE CITY, BUT WE'RE AT A POINT THAT WE NEED TO SCALE THOSE BACK AND COME BACK CLOSER TO THE PRE DEFINITION OF FLSA. [00:10:08] ALL RIGHT, THE, DID Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? ALRIGHT, THE, UH, NEXT ARTICLE IS ARTICLE 14. SO THIS IS THE TERMINAL LEAVE, UH, THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. YOU ALL HAD REQUESTED SOME, SOME CHANGES AND INCREASES IN THIS. UM, WE ARE NOT, UH, LOOKING AT, AT THOSE WE ARE PROPOSING TO KEEP THE ARTICLE AS IS, UM, AND NOT MAKE ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES TO THAT. AND YOU'LL SEE IN A MINUTE, UM, HOW THIS TIES INTO SOME OF THE OTHER. SO, UM, SO OUR NEXT PROPOSAL IS THE COMPENSATION, UH, PROPOSAL. AND THERE'S A COUPLE PIECES TO THIS. SO, UM, WE ARE PROPOSING A FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT WITH THE FIRST YEAR, UH, BEING A 3% WITH THE POTENTIAL OF, UH, AN EXTRA HALF PERCENT, SO A TOTAL OF THREE AND HALF PERCENT. UM, IF Y'ALL ARE AGREEABLE TO ELIMINATE THE NIGHT SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL. AND WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT IS THAT HAS BECOME AN ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN, IT COST US PROBABLY AS MUCH, IF NOT MORE, TO ADMINISTER IT AS IT DOES, UM, IN, IN COST TO THE OFFICERS. AND SO, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO TRADE THAT SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL FOR ANOTHER HALF PERCENT. SO THAT IS YEAR ONE GAVE YOU, UH, THE CHARGE TO SHOW BOTH. WHAT IF YOU GO WITH JUST THE 3%, KEEP THE SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL. THAT IS THE FIRST PAGE PAGE I HANDED OUT. THE SECOND PAGE IS, UM, IF YOU SAID, YEAH, LET'S DO AWAY WITH THE SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL, LET'S GET WITH THE THREE AND A HALF. UM, THAT'S THE SECOND. OKAY, YOUR TWO AND THREE WOULD BE A 4% INCREASE. UM, WE ARE AGREEABLE TO PUT IN THE LANGUAGE AS WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST. IF THERE ARE, IF THERE, IF LIKE ALL IT'S SOMETHING LIKE IF ALL OTHER EMPLOYEES GET A LARGER INCREASE THAN THAT, THEN YOU ALSO GET THE SAME INCREASE, UM, KIND OF LANGUAGE. SO, UM, AND THEN WHAT YOURS, FOUR AND FIVE WOULD BE A WAGE ER. IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO OFFER A BUYBACK INTO A RETIREMENT HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT. SO THIS KIND OF, UM, ENCOMPASSES A WHY WE DIDN'T WANT TO CHANGE ANYTHING ON THE TERMINAL LEAVE BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING IN SOME DIFFERENT THINGS FOR A BUYBACK OF ACCRUALS. THIS ALSO Y'ALL PUT IN I THINK, THREE DIFFERENT ARTICLES ON SOME DIFFERENT BUYBACK OPTIONS. SO, UM, TOOK THAT AS WELL AS THE ONGOING REQUEST ABOUT RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE. UM, SO AS YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST WE'VE CONTINUED TO SAY THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S SUSTAINABLE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ADD THAT BACK. UM, THIS IS KIND OF AN ALTERNATE, UH, DID TO HELP MEMBERS, UH, SAVE FOR RETIREMENT, UH, FOR HEALTHCARE COST. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS OFFICERS AT ANY RANK WITH AT LEAST 10 YEARS OF SERVICE, THAT'S THE FIRST THRESHOLD. THEN, UH, FOR HOLIDAY TIME, IF THEY HAVE AT LEAST 160 HOURS, THEN ON AN ANNUAL BASIS THEY WOULD, UH, BE PAID OUT 40 HOURS. BUT IT WOULD GO INTO THE RHS ON COMP TIME. UM, SAME THING, 10 YEARS OF SERVICE. IF THEY HAVE AT LEAST 120 HOURS BANK, THEN THEY WOULD ALSO BE PAID OUT 40 HOURS OF COMP TIME. AND THEN UNDER THE SICK POLICY, UH, 10 YEARS OF SERVICE, IF THEY HAVE AT LEAST 720 HOURS OF ACCRUED TIME, THEY WOULD BE PAID OUT 120 HOURS AT 10 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR, WHICH IS THE SAME AS THE TERMINAL LEAVE [00:15:01] POLICY IN, IN TERMS OF THE, THE AMOUNT, UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS TO KNOW, UH, ABOUT THE RHS IS YOU HAVE TO DEFINE THE PARAMETERS AND THE PARAMETERS APPLY TO EVERYBODY AND IT'S MANDATORY. SO SOMEBODY COULDN'T SAY, OH, I HAVE 160 HOURS OF HOLIDAY TIME, I ONLY WANT TO CONTRIBUTE 20. IF WE SET IT UP THAT IT'S 40, THEN 40 HOURS WILL BE DEDUCTED. IF IT'S UH, AND IF THEY HAVE 10 YEARS AND THEY HAVE 160 HOURS, THEN THE 40 HOURS WILL HAVE TO BE CONTRIBUTED. OKAY? SO, UM, SOME OF THE BENEFITS AROUND THIS IS A, IT STARTS AT 10 YEARS, SO PEOPLE CAN GO AHEAD AND START PUTTING BACK INTO THIS ACCOUNT. IT IS TAX DEFERRED GOING IN. UM, ALL OF THE EARNINGS ARE, UH, NOT TAXABLE. AND THEN IF IT'S SPENT FOR QUALIFIED MEDICAL EXPENSES, THEN THAT IS ALSO NOT TAXABLE. IT IS AN INDIVIDUAL INVESTMENT ACCOUNT. THE INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE OWNS THAT ACCOUNT. ONCE THE MONEY GOES IN THERE, IT PASSES TO SPOUSES, DEPENDENTS, WHATEVER SHOULD, SHOULD THE EMPLOYEE AT SOME POINT PASS AWAY, THEY HAVE FULL, UM, ABILITY TO MANAGE THAT ACCOUNT AND INVEST IT IN, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER MANNER THEY WANT TO SEE UNDER THE PROGRAM. SO IT, IT'S, UH, THIS IS UNDER MISSION SQUARE, SO KIND OF THE SAME, ALL THE SAME VEHICLE, UH, INVESTMENT VEHICLES ICMA HAS, THIS ACCOUNT HAS THE SAME ACCESS TO ALL OF THOSE. UM, I WOULD TELL YOU IN IN GENERAL IN THINKING ABOUT LIKE QUALIFIED MEDICAL EXPENSES, SAME THING AS YOUR FLEXIBLE SPENDING ACCOUNT, UM, KIND OF THE, THE PREMIUM, THE COPAYS, THE, YOU KNOW, PRESCRIPTIONS, THAT SORT OF STUFF IS WHAT IT'S UTILIZED FOR. UM, THE OTHER THING TO KNOW IS THIS CAN BE DESIGNED IN A WHOLE LOT OF WAYS. UM, THIS WAS KIND OF IN, IN LOOKING AT ADDRESSING, UM, YOU KNOW, BALANCING WHAT OUR POLICIES ALREADY SAY AND ALLOW KIND OF WHERE EMPLOYEES ARE AT, WHAT THE BANKS ARE SITTING AT, AND THEN WHAT'S THE COST OF IT. IT COMES DOWN TO ALSO IS AND THERE'S A COST TO THIS, TO THE CITY. UM, BALANCING KIND OF THOSE PARAMETERS IS WHERE WE ENDED UP WITH THIS. I'M GONNA GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION ON THE RHS. THIS IS PROBABLY A HUNDRED PERCENT BRAND NEW TO Y'ALL. UM, AND SO I WANT Y'ALL TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION. WE ALSO HAVE A CONTACT AT, UH, MISSION SQUARE. I'M GONNA CALL IT ICMA, YET 30 YEARS OF ICMA. THEY'RE STILL ICMA. UM, THAT IF Y'ALL WANT TO GET ON THE PHONE AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH DENISE AND ASK ALL THE S THAT YOU WANT, SO YOU MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND IT A HUNDRED PERCENT, HOW DID WE DO THAT AS WELL? UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO, TO STRUCTURE IT. AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA WANT TO MAKE SURE WE STAY WITHIN SOME PARAMETERS OF EXISTING POLICIES AND, AND SOME OF THAT AS WELL AS OBVIOUSLY WATCHING THEN WHAT'S THE COST, UM, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT WE CAN AFFORD TO DO. BUT YOU CAN STRUCTURE IT BY RANK, BY YEARS OF SERVICE, BY, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU COULD LOOK AT IT. UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, STARTING FROM SQUARE ONE, IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, LET'S WHAT TO MAKE SENSE. UM, AND SO THIS IS KIND OF WHERE WE LANDED. UM, BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY IF Y'ALL CAME BACK AND SAID, WOW, I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DO THIS OR THAT, OR THIS MAKES MORE SENSE FOR US, HAPPY TO LOOK IN THAT TOO AND CONSIDER YEAH, THAT'S PROBABLY ONE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO YEAH. YEAH, I KNOW. I WAS GONNA SAY I YEAH, NO, I NEED YOU DECIDE RIGHT NOW. NO, NO, I'M, I'M JUST SAYING, I MEAN, YEAH, IT'S A LOT FOR THE MATH OF IT. I THINK IT LIKE THAT RETIREMENT THING IS, WHAT DO WE SAY, LIKE 4,600 A YEAR ROUGHLY? YEAH. I WAS GONNA, IF YOU DO THAT OVER 15 YEARS, UH, AT A, AT A GROWING INTEREST RATE OF FIVE TO 6%, YOU'RE LOOKING AT NORTH OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN THAT ACCOUNT BY THE TIME THAT YOU RETIRE. SO, RIGHT. YEAH. SO IF WE AGREE TO THIS, THEN EVERYBODY'S PARTICIPATING WITH THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. CORRECT. CORRECT. AND THERE'S NO OPTING OUT. IF SOMEONE'S LIKE, LOOK, I DON'T WANT THIS NO MORE. I, THEY'RE STUCK WITH PUTTING THIS MUCH IN EVERY YEAR, AS LONG AS THEY MEET THAT THRESHOLD MM-HMM . OTHERWISE TO GET OUT OF IT, THEY BASICALLY HAVE TO BURN THEIR TIME DOWN SO THEY DON'T MEET THE THRESHOLD. CORRECT. AND [00:20:02] SO THIS WOULD EXCLUDE THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE RETIREMENT HEALTH UNDER THEIR BELT. RIGHT. UM, THIS DID NOT CONTEMPLATE THAT. THAT CERTAINLY SOMETHING, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, BECAUSE YOU COULD WRITE THIS EMPLOYEES HIRED AFTER 2010 OR IN THIS PROGRAM, RIGHT? YOU COULD SAY EMPLOYEES HAVE HIRED AFTER 2025 OR IN THIS PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, OR YOU KNOW, ONLY POLICE OFFICERS HIRED BETWEEN 2008 AND 2015. YOU CAN STRUCTURE IT A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT ONCE, ONCE IT'S PUT IN PLACE, THEN THAT'S WHAT IT IS. THE QUESTION I DON'T KNOW THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT AFTER SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH DENISE AND I'VE SENT THE QUESTION BACK IS, SO WE'RE ESTABLISHED ESTABLISHING THIS NOW AND WE'RE NEGOTIATING THAT INTO A CONTRACT IF WE COME BACK IN AND IF WE HAVE A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT, IF WE COME BACK IN FIVE YEARS AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, ACCRUAL BANKS HAVE HAVE CHANGED PEOPLE, WHATEVER THINGS HAVE CHANGED, WE NEED TO CHANGE IT. WE WANNA SEE MORE HOURS, LESS HOURS KIND OF THING. CAN WE RENEGOTIATE AND SET NEW PARAMETERS? LIKE HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE'RE STILL WAITING AN ANSWER ON. YEAH. 'CAUSE I MEAN, THIS ISN'T GONNA AFFECT EVERYBODY BECAUSE THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT JUST AS THEY ACCRUE IT, THEY BURN IT. YEAH. SO, YEAH. ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS, THESE ARE USED. SO THIS IS, UM, A WHOLE LIST OF Q AND AS, UM, FOR EMPLOYEES. AND THEN THIS IS, YOU GUYS ARE ALL FOR Y'ALL. IF YOU NEED MORE COPIES OR I CAN SEND IT ELECTRONICALLY TOO. UM, AND THEN THIS IS A SHEET THAT, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF COPIES AGAIN THAT JUST TALK ABOUT THE VARIOUS WAYS THAT YOU COULD PUT IT TOGETHER. UM, SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU'RE LIKE, LOOK, THIS MIGHT NOT WORK, MAYBE IT'S NOT STARTING AT 10 YEARS, MAYBE IT'S BOYS WITH 15 YEARS OF SERVICE, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THING. THOSE THINGS CAN BE CHANGED. UM, SO AGAIN, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS, THEN, YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK THROUGH THE NUMBERS AND GET Y'ALL SOME, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT SAMPLES. YEAH. OR NO, THAT, THAT'S GONNA EVEN BE CLOSER. THAT'S WAY OUT OF THE BALLPARK. RIGHT? IT'S UH, I MEAN I THINK IT'S A PRETTY GOOD IDEA. IT'S JUST NOW WHAT I WORRY ABOUT IS THE, UH, MEMBERS THAT ARE COMING LATERAL, IF THEY COME IN AS A 10 YEAR OFFICER, AS IT'S, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, ARE THOSE YEARS GONNA COUNT TOWARDS THIS AS WELL? AND THEY CAN START PUTTING INTO IT AS SOON AS THEY REACH THEIR LIMITS? YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN YOU COULD WRITE IT EITHER WAY. YOU KNOW, SO YOU COULD WRITE IT, IT HAS TO BE SERVICED WITH BAYTOWN SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT THEM TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD BANKS, OR YOU COULD SAY 10 YEARS OF POLICE SERVICE ANYWHERE, RIGHT. YOU COULD SAY, YOU COULD EVEN HAVE A TWO TIERS. YOU COULD SAY OFFICERS WHO HAVE 10 YEARS OF SERVICE OR WHO HAVE FIVE YEARS OF SERVICE ANYWHERE PLUS FIVE HERE IN BAYTOWN, FIVE HERE IN BAYTOWN OR TWO HERE IN BAYTOWN, WHATEVER. OKAY. YEAH. SO YOU, YOU COULD STRUCTURE THAT WHATEVER KIND OF MAKES SENSE FOR Y'ALL. AND THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S PROBABLY A THOUSAND DIFFERENT WAYS YOU COULD PUT IT TOGETHER. UM, YOU ALL ARE GONNA HAVE A BETTER FEEL FOR THAT. UM, JUST THE CONCEPT FROM OUR SIDE. YEAH. RIGHT. LIKE I SAID, THIS IS MORE ABOUT, OKAY, LET, LET'S LOOK AT THE CONCEPT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THAT THE DESIRE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT HOPEFULLY HELP INDIVIDUALS WITH RETIREMENT HEALTHCARE. UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, NOT REALLY A SUSTAINABLE SOLUTION TO CONTINUE TO PUT THEM BACK ONTO REGULAR CITY HEALTH INSURANCE. SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD OPTION. IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT MAKES SENSE AND WHAT IS AFFORDABLE. UM, ONLY REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE RETIREE HEALTH, I MEAN YOU HAD TO BE HERE 25 YEARS OR 20 YEARS, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. MM-HMM . AND FOR A LATERAL THAT COMES IN HERE WITH 10, 15 YEARS OF SERVICE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEDICATE OURSELVES TO BAYTOWN FOR ANOTHER 25 YEARS. I MEAN IT'S, I MEAN, BE HERE 45 YEARS. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. UM, SO THAT WAS KIND OF, THAT'S A STRUGGLE WE WERE HAVING WITH THAT ONE AS WELL. BUT THIS, THAT'S WHY I ASK MM-HMM . IF THEY COME IN WITH 10 YEARS OF SERVICE, CAN [00:25:01] WE JUST GO AHEAD AND COUNT THAT FOR THEM? MM-HMM . MM-HMM . ONE OF Y'ALL WAS THINKING ON LIKE, NOT INCLUDING VACATION 'CAUSE LIKE MOVING FORWARD NOW IF VACATION'S GONNA BE USE IT OR LOSE IT. SO IF SOMEONE DOESN'T TAKE VACATIONS AND THEY'D RATHER JUST USE THIS TO ON THAT FURTHER VERSUS TAKING DAYS OFF AND JUST, YOU KNOW, OH, I WAS , SORRY, MY HEAD WENT SOMEWHERE ELSE WITH THE VACATION AND SO I WAS LIKE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. YEAH. FUNDING THE RETIREMENT HEALTHCARE WITH THE VACATION BUYBACK IS RIGHT. SO PART OF, LIKE I SAID, PART OF THIS IS ABOUT STRUCTURING IT AROUND EXISTING POLICIES AND, AND SO THIS IS, THIS IS EFFECTIVELY ALL MONEY THAT THE CITY WILL ULTIMATELY OWE, RIGHT? IT'S TAKING IT IN, IN A LOT OF CASES, PAYING IT EARLIER, PAYING IT DIFFERENTLY, BUT REALLY GIVING IT TO THE EMPLOYEES EARLIER IN A VEHICLE THAT LETS IT GROW AND TO BE THERE FOR YOUR RETIREE HEALTH. YEAH. SO THE VACATION, WE WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO OWE ANYTHING ON THAT. UM, BECAUSE IT, UH, IT IS, IT GETS TO A POINT WHERE IT'S USED OR LOSE IT, RIGHT? AND SO THERE'S NOT A COST TO THAT PIECE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THESE OTHER PEOPLE LIKE HOLIDAY THOUGH, WHEN YOU CAP, WE CONTINUE TO PAY. AND SO THIS IS A WAY TO HELP CAPTURE THAT AND SAY, OKAY, INSTEAD OF JUST, YOU KNOW, 10 TIMES A YEAR YOU GET A LITTLE CHUNK OF CHANGE. OKAY, LET'S TAKE THAT AND MAKE IT MORE MEANINGFUL AND, AND UTILIZE IT HOPEFULLY IN A BETTER WAY FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. RIGHT. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT COST TO THE CITY, ARE YOU, ARE YOU REFERRING TO LIKE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS OR JUST THE PAYING THE, THE TIME EARLIER THAN YOU WOULD LIKE THE ADMINISTRATIVE COST OF SETTING UP THE ACCOUNT AND MANAGING IT OR WHATNOT? OR THE, THE COST OF THE CITY YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS JUST PAYING OUT TIME THAT WE'RE OWED EARLIER, CORRECT? RIGHT. BUT I GUESS FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, IT'S, IT'S, YES, THE CITY, IT'S HELPED THE CITY THAT WAY, BUT IT ALSO HELPS YOU BECAUSE WHAT'S THE CURRENT POLICY NOW IS LIKE 30 YEARS, 25 YEARS. 25, 25 YEARS. SO YOU'D HAVE TO WAIT 25 YEARS BEFORE YOU'D EVEN GET ANY KIND OF BENEFIT FROM THAT SICK LEAVE PIECE. RIGHT. AND SO IF YOU CAN START DOING IT NOW, WE'RE HOPING THAT THERE, IT'S, WE'RE HOPING THAT IT'S HELPFUL TO THE EMPLOYEES. LIKE REALLY HAVE A START BUILDING A RETIREMENT ACCOUNT. SO YOU'RE NOT WAITING UNTIL THE 25TH YEAR. WE GOT 15 YEARS TO BUILD ON AT THAT POINT. AND IT'S STILL, WHAT'S THE, UM, SO YOU GAVE A GOOD EXAMPLE. 'CAUSE THE CONCERN WAS LIKE, IT WOULD, LIKE, YOU WOULD NEVER GO ABOVE SEVEN 20, BUT YOU WOULD, WHAT DO THEY MAKE 120 HOURS A YEAR? YOU WOULD EARN 120 HOURS A YEAR MAX. WHAT YOU GETTING? SO IF YOU'RE 18 DAYS A YEAR AT EIGHT HOURS, YOU'RE STILL GONNA BUILD UP TOWARDS THAT 25TH YEAR AND HAVE A, A LARGER SUM AT THE END OF THE BUILDING TOO. SO, SO IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT GONNA KEEP IT FLAT. YOU'RE STILL GONNA GROW 'CAUSE IT'S MAXED OUT. OKAY. OH, WE'RE GOOD. SORRY, I WAS . YEAH, NO, I DIDN'T YOU GOT ANY MORE QUESTIONS? NO, RIGHT NOW. ALRIGHT. DID Y'ALL WANNA DO A THAT WAS, THAT'S THE END OF OURS. OKAY. UM, WE ALL WANT TO TAKE A CAUCUS. YEP. I'LL MAKE SURE TO TAKE MY GUN WITH ME CHIEF ALL WE'LL RECONVENE THIS AT 9 46. UM, SO I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS A LOT. YEAH. YEAH. SO, UH, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE EASY ONES AND JUST IF Y'ALL DON'T MIND TAING ON THOSE AND THEN, UH, WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR MOST OF IT. YEAH. SO WE WERE THINKING, UH, SEVEN, EIGHT, AND 13. WE CAN GO AHEAD AND TA IF Y'ALL ARE GOOD WITH THAT. YEAH. [00:30:19] EVERYBODY AROUND THE, YOU SAID EIGHT AND 13 AS WELL, RIGHT? YES. 13. YOU GOTTA MAKE SURE I SCRATCHED THE YEAH, I DID THE 2024. YES. 20, 24, 15 OR AS WELL, NO FITNESS, NO, THERE SOME LANGUAGE UP IN THERE IN THAT ONE. OH, OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE ARTICLES AFTER Y'ALL TALKED THAT Y'ALL NEED ANSWERED RIGHT NOW OR? I THINK WE'RE PRETTY GOOD ON EVERYTHING EXPLAINED. OKAY. OKAY. DID Y'ALL WANT TO SET A MEETING WITH, UH, REPRESENTATIVE STUFF? YES, ABSOLUTELY. UM, GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF TIME SO WE CAN DISCUSS ALL OF IT. YEP. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR, JUST PREPARE QUESTIONS FOR THEM AND THEN FROM THERE. OKAY. YEAH, JUST REACH OUT TO US AND LET US KNOW WHEN Y'ALL ARE READY TO SCHEDULE A MEETING SCHEDULE. OKAY. GOOD DEAL. OKAY, ALRIGHTYY, THEN WE WILL MOVE [c. Consider confirming the time and date of the next meet and confer session.] ON TO ITEM TWO C, WHICH IS CONSIDER CONFIRMING THE TIME AND DATE OF THE NEXT MEET FOR SESSION. UM, SO WE LOOKED AT CALENDARS ON OUR SIDE. OUR NEXT, UM, WINDOW IS ON JULY THE 16TH. ANYTIME BETWEEN 11 AT EIGHT AND 1130. I'M GOOD ON THAT DAY, WHATEVER TIME YOU NEED. I THINK WE HAD OUR, UH, PREVIOUSLY AT THE MEETING WITH THE CITY MANAGER SCHEDULED TO, OKAY. I'M ON VACATION. UM, BUT I MAY SHOW UP IN SHORTS. , I WEAR PANTS. . YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S, UH, YOU WANT TO DO EIGHT 30 AGAIN? SURE. IS THAT TOO EARLY ON YOUR VACATION? YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT IS A LITTLE EARLY. I WISH I COULD SLEEP IN. OKAY. . ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL DO JULY THE 16TH AT EIGHT 30. OKAY. 16TH. ALRIGHTY. THAT CONCLUDES ALL THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. SO WE WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.