* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. THIS MORNING, JUDGE, [00:00:01] IT IS FOUR [1. CALL TO ORDER] 30, SO WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. UM, I SENT SOME INFORMATION [2. DISCUSSIONS] TO EVERYONE YESTERDAY. I HOPE YOU GOT IT. I USED EMAILS THAT WERE GIVEN TO ME, UH, BLIND, COPIED EVERYBODY. SO DIDN'T WANT YOUR EMAIL OUT THERE. IT SHOULDN'T HAVE GONE OUT THERE. SO THOSE OF YOU GOT THE INFORMATION. WHAT I WANTED TO DO IS GIVE YOU A LITTLE SUMMARY OF, OF WHAT OUR LAST MEETING, UH, RESULTED IN. AND, UH, I APOLOGIZE, I APOLOGIZE IN MAY EMAIL ABOUT THE SMALL TEXT. SO, UH, SOMEBODY SAID, TAKE A PICTURE AND BLOW IT UP, OR WHATEVER. BUT ANYWAY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROCESS WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH BEYOND JUST UNDERSTANDING ALL THESE, THESE PROJECTS AND, AND THE DETAILS AND THE MONEY AND JUST ALL THAT. WE, WE GOT TO SOME, SOME DOLLAR VALUES LAST, LAST TIME WE MET. AND THE INTENT WASN'T TO GET TO A CERTAIN DOLLAR VALUE. IT WAS JUST SEE WHAT WE COULD ALL AGREE ON. AND IF YOU LOOK, WE AGREED, ALL OF US PRETTY MUCH AGREED THAT WE'RE HERE ON, ON ALMOST A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF, OF PROJECTS. NOW WE COULD SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE WOULD'VE GOTTEN THERE FOUR OR FIVE WEEKS AGO AT THE SAME NUMBER OF PROJECTS, BUT WE WOULDN'T HAVE UNDERSTOOD THEM NEAR AS MUCH AS WE DO NOW. AND SO THERE WAS VALUE IN, IN GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS. SO, UH, THE OTHER THING I I SHOWED YOU WAS THERE WAS ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, 20 OF PROJECTS WHERE WE HAD ONE OR TWO FOLKS WHO DIDN'T AGREE WITH WHAT WE PROPOSED, WHAT WE, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE'RE GOING TO AGREE ON WHAT WE PUT FORWARD, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE ONE OR TWO FOLKS AND, AND THAT THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE, AND I RESPECT THAT, THAT'S WHERE THEY END UP. UH, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA SAY, ALL RIGHT, IF THE, IF THE MAJORITY OF THE GROUP SAYS, HEY, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONE OR TWO FOLKS WHO MAY NOT AGREE, WE'RE GONNA KNOW WHO DID NOT AGREE WITH WHAT. SO THE FOLKS WHO DID NOT AGREE WILL BE NOTED SO THAT THEIR VOICE ALSO COUNTS. WE DON'T WANT IT TO SAY, WELL, YOU DON'T MATTER 'CAUSE WE OUT VOTED, RIGHT? SO WE WILL, WE WILL JUST DO THAT. SO, UH, YOU MAY WONDER WHY I HAD TWO GROUPS OF ALL BUT ONE OR TWO AGREE. IT'S BECAUSE IT WAS DIFFERENT FOLKS WHO DIDN'T AGREE ON THOSE GROUPS OF PROJECTS. AND SO, HERE, AGAIN, I DIDN'T WANT LUMP 'EM ALL INTO ONE. WE, WE WILL, WE WILL COLLECTIVELY PULL ALL THIS TOGETHER HERE REAL SOON. BUT IF WE WERE TO GO WITH WHAT WE JUST DID LAST WEEK, THE TWO WEEKS AGO, WHERE WE HAD ONE OR TWO FOLKS THAT DIDN'T AGREE ON ONE OR TWO PROJECTS, WE WOULD BE AT $128 MILLION WORTH OF STUFF. NOW WHAT WE HAVEN'T DONE THOUGH, IN ALL FAIRNESS, IS WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH ALL OF THE PROJECTS, RIGHT? THERE MAY BE SOME OTHERS OUT THERE THAT WE WANT TO CONSIDER. UH, AND, AND THEN WHEN WE CONSIDER THEM AND WE AGREED TO THEM, WE MAY THEN LOOK AT THE TOTAL AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? NOW WE'VE GOTTA DO A LITTLE SHIFTING HERE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTS ON HERE THAT ARE VALUABLE TO THE CITY OF BAYTOWN, AND WE JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO ALL OF 'EM. SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T WANT TO START ADDING UP RIGHT OFF THE BAT SAYING, HEY, WE, IF WE'RE AGREEING TO THIS, WE'RE AT THE LIMIT. SO WE, WE DON'T HAVE A LIMIT YET. WHAT WE HAVE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO AGREE ON THE PROJECTS. WE THINK THEY'RE IMPORTANT. AND FROM THAT LIST, WE WILL THEN FIGURE OUT AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS WHERE THAT CUTOFF IS. DOES THAT KIND OF MAKE SENSE? ONE OF, WHEN I SENT YOU THIS ALSO, I NOTED THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ASKED FOR THE CITY'S RANK AND THEY PLUGGED IT IN THERE, THE PROJECTS WERE ALL PRETTY RANDOM. AND WE ASKED LAST TIME, HEY, YOU KNOW THESE, WHY DID YOU RANK THIS BELOW THAT AND ALL THAT? WELL BREAK 'EM INTO CATEGORIES. WHAT I WANTED YOU TO SHOW, WHAT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU IS, UM, THAT I CHANGED THEM TO WHAT THE CITY'S RANK WOULD BE WITHIN THEIR CATEGORIES. YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAD A CHALLENGE ALSO, HOW DO YOU RAID A PARK AGAINST THE STREET VERSUS FLOODING AND SIDEWALKS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO THEY, THEY HAD TO GO ONE THROUGH. BY THE WAY, THERE'S ONLY 28 PROJECTS. THERE'S NO 28 ON HERE. I LOOKED AND LOOKED AND LOOKED. THERE'S A 27 AND A 29, AND THERE'S NO 28. SO THERE'S 28 PROJECTS, BUT I DIDN'T CHANGE IT. SO, SO WHAT YOU HAVE IN EACH CATEGORY ARE HOW THE CITY RANKED THEM WITHIN THEIR GROUPS TO HELP US SEE WHAT THE CITY THOUGHT, FOR INSTANCE, IN THE THOROUGHFARE, UM, UH, CATEGORY, WHAT THEY THOUGHT, ONE THROUGH WHATEVER. AND JUST BECAUSE IT'S NUMBER 22 DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S NOT, THAT'S NUMBER 22, THAT'S 22, ALMOST ALL OF 'EM. BUT WITHIN THAT CATEGORY, MIKE BROUGHT UP A QUESTION. YOU KNOW, WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT 21 AND 22 RANKINGS WHEN THERE'S NINE, 10, AND 17 THAT WE HAVEN'T CONSIDERED? WELL, IT'S 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT 'EM YET, BUT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT 'EM. SO HOPEFULLY THAT'LL HELP YOU SEE HOW THE CITY RANK WITHIN THE CATEGORIES, UH, THAT WE BROKE INTO. SO WE HAVE A NEW BOOK. IF YOU HAVE, YOU PROBABLY HAVE A COLLECTION OF THESE, RIGHT? THANK YOU, DEREK, FOR KEEPING US UPDATED. THIS ONE'S DATED. THEY DO HAVE DATES. SO JUST LOOK AT THE LAST ONE. SO, UH, WHAT, WHAT WE DID FIND OUT, I THINK ERIC WAS TELLING SOME OF THE FOLKS HERE, IS THEY DID CLEAR UP SOME OF THE NAME DESCRIPTIONS RELATED TO THE WETLAND CENTER EDUCATION BUILDING AND THE BAYTOWN NATURE CENTER PROJECT, SO THAT WE CLEARLY UNDERSTAND [00:05:01] THE DIFFERENCE. SO THE BAYTOWN, UH, WETLAND, THE WETLAND CENTER IS IN THE BUILDINGS OR FACILITIES GROUPING, BECAUSE IT IS A BUILDING INCLUDES PROGRAMS FOR ARBORETUM. THE NATURE CENTER IS IN THE PARK SIDE BECAUSE THE NAVAL, UH, AND THE UPGRADES ARE RELATED TO, TO THE WHOLE NATURE CENTER, WHICH IS MORE OF A PARK THAN FACILITY. WHAT WE DID, WHAT WE ALSO GOT, FRANK, CORRECT ME, IS, IS AN ADJUSTED NUMBER DOLLAR VALUE ON THE BAYTOWN NATURE CENTER OUTDOOR AMENITIES PROJECT. I THINK IT USED TO BE 20, IT'S 24, 20 4 MILLION AND IT'S NOW 14 MILLION. YEAH, WE TOOK THE BUILDING OUTTA THAT. OKAY. SO WHAT WAST CLEAR ALSO WAS THAT PROJECT INCLUDED A BUILDING FOR, FOR AN ARBORETUM FACILITY BUILDING. AND, AND I THINK AFTER CONVERSATIONS WITHIN THE CITY AND WITH PARKS AND EVERYONE ELSE, THEY, THEY AGREED THAT REALLY WHAT'S NEEDED ARE THE UPGRADES TO THE NATURE CENTER AND NOT ANOTHER BUILDING THAT THE, THAT THE WETLAND CENTER BUILDING WILL SUFFICE TO RUN ALL THE ARBORETUM PROGRAMS OUT OF THAT. SO WE HAVE AN ADJUSTED DOLLAR AMOUNT. IT'S NOT ON THE SHEET THAT I GAVE YOU BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE THIS INFORMATION UNTIL TODAY, BUT IF YOU WANT TO WRITE ON YOUR LITTLE SHEET THAT YOU HAVE, THAT THE BAYTOWN NATURE CENTER PROJECT IS 14 MILLION INSTEAD OF 24, 25, WHATEVER IT WAS, UH, THAT'LL GIVE US A DIFFERENT NUMBER TO LOOK AT. SO CHANGE IT FROM 13 MILLION TO 24, 13 MILLION STAYS THE SAME. IT'S THE OTHER PROJECT THAT WAS IN THE PARKS, THAT WAS THE, UH, I THINK THE NEXT PAGE, RIGHT BEHIND THE PARK, THE SECOND PAGE SPECIAL ONE, THEY CHANGED IT ON THAT. OKAY, EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY CAUGHT UP ON THAT ONE. ALRIGHT, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ADAPT. WE'VE HAD CHANGES AS WE'VE MOVED FORWARD, RIGHT? WE, WE'VE CLARIFIED SOME SCOPES, WE'VE CLARIFIED SOME COSTS, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE'RE STILL DEALING WITH THAT. UH, AND, AND WE'RE GONNA KEEP TWEAKING THIS AS WE GO, AS WE FIND OUT SCOPES NEED TO CHANGE OR DOLLAR VALUES NEED TO CHANGE. WE'LL, WE'LL KEEP DOING THAT. SO, TO CONTINUE, LET, LET ME TELL YOU WHAT THE TARGET OUTCOME FOR TODAY IS. AND I THINK EVERYBODY'S BEEN ASKING HOW MUCH LONGER ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO KEEP DOING THIS, RIGHT? HOW MUCH LONGER? AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE STARTED THIS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I I DIDN'T KNOW. I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW. I MEAN, WE HAD AN A AUGUST DATE BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN COUNCIL NEEDS TO MAKE A DECISION, BUT I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW WE MADE SOME GOOD PROGRESS LAST TIME WE MET. AND SO I'M HOPING THAT TODAY WE'LL CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION. WE'LL GET THROUGH THE REST OF THESE PROJECTS AND I THINK AS WE GO THROUGH THE REST OF THESE, WE'RE EITHER GONNA SEE SOME UP OR DOWNS AND WE'LL KNOW KIND OF WHERE WE'RE SETTLING IN ON THESE. BUT IN ALL FAIRNESS TO THE REST OF THE PROJECTS, IF WE DON'T EVEN TALK ABOUT 'EM, THEY DON'T EVEN GET A CHANCE, RIGHT? AND SO, UH, I WANT TO GO THROUGH THE REST OF THESE PROJECTS. IT WON'T TAKE LONG BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW HOW WE'RE DOING THIS, RIGHT? UH, AND I'M GONNA REMIND EVERYBODY I I'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, MARGARET DOESN'T KNOW, BUT I HAVE THESE MAGICAL SKILLS WHERE I CAN TELL WHAT PEOPLE, WHAT PEOPLE, WHERE PEOPLE ARE ON THINGS. AND THE WAY I CAN TELL IS, UH, I LOOK AT BODY LANGUAGE, I LOOK AT HEAD NODDING, I LOOK AT HEAD UP AND DOWN OR SIDEWAYS. AND I DON'T, YOU DON'T NEED TO BE VERBAL. THERE'S SOME FOLKS IN HERE HAVE NOT BEEN VERY VERBAL, BUT YOU'VE BEEN TELLING ME, YOU'VE BEEN TELLING ME HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THINGS. I'VE ALSO GONE BACK AND LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF THE VIDEOS OF SOME OF OUR MEETINGS. AND WHEN I'M LOOKING OVER HERE, TALKING OVER HERE IN THE VIDEO, THERE'S HEADS NODDING UP AND DOWN OVER HERE, , OKAY? SO I'VE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION. I GOT EYES EVERYWHERE, RIGHT? I'M SORRY, THAT'S HOW YOU TAKE ACCOUNT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WHAT I'M SAYING IS, ONE OR TWO PEOPLE DON'T AGREE, I DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ACCOUNT. THEY'RE THE ONLY TWO THAT DIDN'T AGREE. SO WE'RE PRETTY, WE'RE PRETTY GOOD ON THAT, RIGHT? SO HERE WE GO. I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE THOROUGHFARES GROUP AND SEE IF ANYBODY, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE LIST THAT I GAVE YOU. YOU CAN SEE THAT WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT LOBO, THE GARTH ROAD RECONSTRUCTION, PHASE F, THE BAYWAY DRIVE, OR THE WEST BAKER FROM GARTH TO DECKER. SO LET'S START WITH WEST LOBO AVENUE. THAT'S KIND OF ANOTHER PARALLEL THAT GOES WITH DP AND STERLING. IT'S JUST A LITTLE FARTHER NORTH GOING MORE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. IT'S A TWO-WAY STREET. SAME, UH, SAME SCOPE OF WORK, I BELIEVE FROM, UH, NORTH MAIN ALL THE WAY TO DECKER. ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT ONE? UM, THAT'S THE RECONSTRUCTION DESIGN ACQUISITION THAT IS THE WEST LO BIT, AVENUE FIVE, WHICH IS A FULL ROAD RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT LIKE STERLING. AND IT'S A LITTLE LONGER. I THINK IT COSTS A LITTLE MORE, UM, SLIGHTLY MORE THAN THAN STERLING, BUT A SIMILAR PROJECT I SEE STAFF AT, YOU KNOW, RATE NUMBER EIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING. UH, I THINK IT'S AN APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW, EAST, WEST, UH, CONNECTION THAT WE NEED TO, YEAH, I MEAN, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE DOING VECTOR DOWN HERE IN THIS AREA, WE GOTTA HAVE THE BUILDING TO GET CROSSED. SO TO ME [00:10:01] IT, IT RATES UP TO CONSIDERATION. OKAY. SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SEE, I THINK MIKE BROUGHT THIS UP, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT STERLING AND DP AND THEY WERE RANKED 21 AND 22 OUT OF THE CITY'S LIST AND LOW BIT'S UP HERE AT NUMBER EIGHT. SO IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE, THE VALUE OF THOSE THREE PROJECTS, LOBIT IS MORE VALUABLE TO US THAN STERLING AND DFE, OR IT'S JUST WORSE SHAPE NOW. THAT WAS PRIMARILY BASED ON THE CURRENT CONDITION. CURRENT CONDITION. SO THE CONDITION OF LO IS, DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT WOULD LAST AS LONG. WON'T LAST AS LONG. OKAY. SO WHAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IS LOOK AT THREE PROJECTS THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR, LOBIT, STERLING, AND DEE. AND IF, IF, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT ASSERTING IT DEEP, WE KIND OF AGREED TO THAT, UH, WITH, WITH ONE OR TWO WHO, WHO DIDN'T AGREE TOTALLY, BUT LOBIT WE DIDN'T GET TO. SO NOW WE HAVE THREE PROJECTS SIMILAR. SO IF IT CAME DOWN TO, WELL, WE, WE THINK ALL THREE, BUT WE CAN'T DO ALL THREE, WE WOULD, WE WOULD FEEL LIKE LO BIT'S PROBABLY THE HIGHER PRIORITY BASED ON THE CITY'S RANKING THAN STARTING AND D YEAH. AND THE PCIS 43 4. YEAH, I THINK THAT PLAYS INTO WHY THE CITY RANKED IT, UH, HIGHER IN ITS PRIORITIES THAN STARTING IN DP. SO THAT'S INTERESTING 'CAUSE YOUR MAGIC NUMBER, 'CAUSE MY NEGATIVE NUMBERS IN MY NOTES SAY THAT WE DIDN'T AGREE ON STERLING IN DP THAT THAT WAS LEFT OPEN THAT STERLING AND DP WOULD, WOULD NOT BE ON THE LIST. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. SO AGAIN, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THOROUGH AFFAIRS AND WE WERE TRYING TO LOOK AT THE TOP THREE OR FOUR IN, IN THOROUGH AFFAIRS, UH, WOULD WE PUT A LITTLE BIT ABOVE DP AND STERLING? I MEAN, IF, IF YOU LOOKED AT IT AGAIN, THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION, IT'S WORTH SHADE. AND, AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT TO CUT ONE OR THE OTHERS YET. IT'S JUST TO SAY DO WE AGREE LOBIT IS A, IS A VALUE PROJECT? YES. LOBIT IS LIKE STARTING AND DEEP. IF YOU FELT THAT WAY ABOUT STARTING IN DFI AND THIS ONE'S WORSE, IT SEEMS LIKE WE THINK WE AGREE WITH LOBIT, RIGHT? THAT'S A FULL DEBT REPLACEMENT ALL THE WAY. CORRECT. AND, AND UPGRADE OF UTILITIES. IS THERE SOMEONE THAT DISAGREES? YES. FULL DEBT PAYMENT REPLACEMENT AND UTILITY UPDATES? YES. SO DOES ANYONE DISAGREE WITH LOBIT FOR CONSIDERATION? NO. ALRIGHT. WELL THEN LOBIT LOBIT IS ONE OF THOSE THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME FIRST. MM-HMM . ALL RIGHT, SO LOBIT. ALL RIGHT, WELL, GOOD. SO, UH, RIGHT UP IN THAT SAME GROUP, THE GARTH ROAD RECONSTRUCTION, PHASE F, THIS IS DESIGN ACQUISITION ONLY $2.1 MILLION. WE, WE'VE AGREED SOMEWHAT ON THE GARTH ROAD, C, D, AND E, WHICH TAKES YOU DOWN TO BAKER ROAD, RIGHT? AND THIS IS BAKER ROAD SOUTH TO 1 4 6, CORRECT? CORRECT. IS WHAT? AND THIS IS JUST DESIGN, DESIGN AND UH, AND ACQUISITION ONLY. BUT THIS IS NOT THREE LANES BOTH WAYS, RIGHT? THIS IS NO, IT, IT IS NOT A WIDEN IT, RIGHT? IT'S JUST OUR PAVEMENT REPLACEMENT, UM, AND SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE. OKAY. UM, THERE, THERE IS ONE CLARIFICATION I WANNA MAKE ON THIS, UH, STAFF RANKING. UM, WE RANKED IT LOWER AT THE TIME BECAUSE IT INCLUDED THE CONSTRUCTION. WHICH ONE? I THINK ONCE WE SEPARATED AS JUST DESIGN. OH, OKAY. AND RIGHT AWAY ONLY IT WOULD'VE RANKED HIGHER WITH STAFF AT THAT POINT. OKAY. SO IT'S RANKING. IS THIS THE ONE THAT HAS THE PROBLEM YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ACQUIRE? IT'S GONNA BE ALL ONE SIDE AND YOU GOTTA DO PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE? WELL, I WAS SAYING IF WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE OUT THE HOUSES THAT ARE ON THE EAST SIDE, UM, BUT IT WAS NOT OUR INTENT TO WIDEN GUARD AT THAT POINT. SO WHAT DID WE GAIN? YOU GET THE PAVEMENT REPLACED, WE GET A PAVEMENT REPLACED, RIGHT. AND PAVEMENT'S IN PRETTY POOR CONDITION. AND THAT'S FROM BAKER SOUTH TO 1 46. RIGHT? THE HOSPITAL DRIVEWAY REALLY IS, IS THE END OF THE, THE, THE END OF, UH, PHASE E. YEAH. SO YEAH, I THINK YOU GO PAST THE INTERSECTION, THERE'S 1 46. YEAH. OKAY. SO THIS IS 2.1 MILLION TO, TO DESIGN AND, AND, UM, AN ACQUISITION ONLY FOR A, THE FUTURE OF GARTH ROAD. BEYOND THE SCOPES WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT. NO. YEAH. YOU'RE A NO ON ANYTHING THAT IS BUT CONCRETE ON GROUND. I KNOW THAT. SO NO. ANY ACQUISITIONS? YEAH, ALL WE HAVE ACQUISITIONS. IF ALL WE'RE DOING IS REPLACING THE PAPER, IT WOULD BE MINOR. UM, LIKE AT THE INTERSECTIONS, IF WE NEED TO ADJUST THE RADIUS OF THE CURVATURE, IT CAN BE VERY MINOR RIGHT AWAY. UM, THERE, YOU KNOW, IT IS OUR INTENT TO HAVE A SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE CONTINUOUSLY. SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME MINOR ACQUISITIONS FOR THAT. IT WOULDN'T BE A HUGE, SO WE HAVE IT'S 2.1 MILLION. IT [00:15:01] ALL ADDS UP. I'M NOT SOLD ON IT. IT'S A NO FOR ME. ANYBODY. IT'S A YES FOR ME. IT'S A NO. SHE SAID YES, IT'S A YES. OKAY. YES, YES, YES. , ARE YOU WRITING DOWN NOW? WE GOT, NO, BUT I'M TAKING NOTE THAT WE GOT MORE YESES AND MORE NOS THAN WE NORMALLY HAVE. SO THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT'S ON THE BUBBLE. SO SHE'S A NO TOO, THIS CASE? I'M SURE HE READ MY FACE. OH, I CAN TELL. I READ HER FACE. I READ HER FACE. SO JUST FACE VALUE. YOU CAN'T HIDE YOUR FACE. I CAN STILL SEE YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. NOT EVERYBODY NODDED UP OR DOWN, BUT WE GOT ABOUT HALF AND HALF. I SEE. YEAH. ON MY NOTES HERE, I'LL LIST TO YOU. I SAID YES AS A YES. YEAH. OKAY. SO LET ME JUST, UH, UH, THIS IS NOT A VOTE, BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHO IS LEANING TOWARDS BEING IN FAVOR OF CONTINUING THE GARTH ROAD PROJECT WORK BEYOND, UH, WHERE IT STOPS AT BAKER AND PROVIDING SOME MONEY FOR DESIGN AND, AND, UH, ACQUISITION OF $2.1 MILLION. RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE KIND OF THINKING YOU'D, YOU'D SUPPORT IT. RAISE IT. GOOD. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. THAT'S GONNA BE JUST PERFECT. AND, AND IF YOU'RE NOT REALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE FIVE, RIGHT? 'CAUSE RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE NOT SUPPORTED OF IT. 1, 2, 3, 4. FIVE. FIVE. OKAY, THAT'S REAL CLOSE. WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT ONE ASIDE. LISTEN, YOU KNOW, IF WE GO TO A SIMPLE MAJORITY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE HALF OF US NOT AGREEING WITH A LOT OF STUFF. SO LET'S, LET'S COME BACK TO THAT. WE'LL, WE WILL HOLD IT. UM, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL CLOSE IT OUT AT SOME POINT. WE'LL HOLD IT. OKAY. THE NEXT, THE NEXT BIG PROJECT ON THERE IS BAYWAY DRIVE. UH, WE HAD A GOOD PRESENTATION. $37.6 MILLION, A LOT OF MONEY. HOW'S, HOW ARE FOLKS LOOKING AT, ON, ON THAT ONE? NO, NO. EXXON'S THE PHONE. EXACTLY. OKAY. I GOT, I THINK I'M SEEING THERE'S A LOT OF NEED, BUT IT PROBABLY DOESN'T MAKE HIGH ENOUGH. I THINK SOMEBODY SAID THAT THEY WERE GONNA REPAIR THE ROAD BEFORE ALL THE TRUCKS WERE COMING IN IN THAT PROJECT. NO, I, I, I THINK IT WAS PREPARING FOR AFTERWARDS. OKAY. IT WOULD BE THE TAIL END OF THIS BOND CYCLE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO I THINK FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, THAT PROJECT HAD, YOU KNOW, THE DOLLAR VALUE AND, AND THE WHOLE THING ABOUT IT GETTING TORN UP AND IT'S PLANNING FOR WHEN IT GETS TORN UP NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD PLAN IF, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER NEEDS AS WELL. RIGHT? SO IT LOOKED TO ME LIKE MOST PEOPLE WERE THAT THAT IS THE HYDROGEN PROJECT, RIGHT? RIGHT. THAT IS A HYDROGEN PROJECT. OKAY. WELL, DIDN'T FEDERAL FUNDS FOR THAT PROJECT GET PULLED? UH, JUST SOME INCENTIVE MONEY, NOT ENOUGH TO STOP THE PROJECT. OKAY. YEAH. THEY'RE GOING WITH IT. THAT'S LIKE 300 MILLION. YEAH, THAT'S INCENTIVE MONEY TO EXXONMOBIL ON A, I GET IT. LOT OF MONEY. IT MATTERS. IT'S STILL A LOT OF MONEY, BUT THEY, THEY'VE, YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT. OKAY. I, I'M GONNA GET THE SENSE THAT THAT IS NOT ONE WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER. I WOULD'VE BEEN A GOOD ONE TO SPEAK UP ON A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, BUT THAT'S OKAY. ALRIGHT. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT D AND STERLING AND THEN WEST BAKER ROAD FROM, UH, WEST BAKER FROM GARTH TO DECKER. ANOTHER $55 MILLION TOTAL PROJECT PER ATTEMPTED TO GO GET $41 MILLION OF GRANT FUNDING SOMEWHERE. IT'S NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED YET, HAS IT? NO. NO. SO IT'D BE 13 MILLION FROM THE CITY AND 41 MILLION HOPEFULLY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. WHERE ARE WE AT ON THAT ONE? SUGGEST TO ME IF WE GET 41 MILLION YEAH, THAT'S NOT A BAD, UH, RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENT. UH, I AGREE. IT'S A BIG PROJECT. IT'S, UH, WE, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T GUARANTEE WE'RE GETTING 41 MILLION, RIGHT? NO. AND, UM, I MEAN, THIS IS JUST SAYING WE'D HAVE A PROJECT READY TO GO AND WE'D HAVE MONEY IF THERE WAS MONEY AVAILABLE TO PUT INTO IT. SO THAT'S QUICK QUESTION. WHAT HAPPENS? SAY WE APPROVE THIS, BUT THEN THE, THE, THE GRANT MONEY DOESN'T COME THROUGH. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? WE JUST WOULDN'T AUTHORIZE THE DEBT TO BE ISSUED. ISSUED. OKAY. SO THERE'S REALLY NO HARM AND LIKE, IS THERE A RISK ASSOCIATED WITH IT? UN UNLESS YOU THINK THE THE VOTERS WOULD, UM, NOT VALUE IT HIGHLY AND WOULD VOTE AGAINST THAT AND WOULD JEOPARDIZE THE OTHER PROJECT. YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A SENSE ON THIS ONE THAT, UM, IT'S A VERY BIG PROJECT. IT'S PRO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S UP THERE, IT, IT, IT'S UP THERE WITH THE GARTH ROAD TYPE PROJECTS, RIGHT? AND THE WIDENING CEDAR BY LYNCHBURG. SO IT'S A PRETTY GOOD STRETCH AND IT'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF CONNECTIVITY IN THERE AND, AND, UH, STREETS CONNECTED PROBABLY A, A VALUABLE PROJECT, BUT THERE, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF COMPETITION RIGHT NOW FOR, FOR THESE DOLLARS. ARE WE, WHY DON'T Y'ALL RATE IT 25 WHEN IT HAD A $41 MILLION GRANT? THERE IS NOT A GRANT. UH, IT WAS YOU JUST, YOU BUY FOR A GRANT AND DID GET ONE. THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT, UH, [00:20:01] BECAUSE WE WERE GONNA TRY TO APPLY THROUGH THE HT A CI UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHY DID IT RANK 25? BECAUSE, UH, STAFF DIDN'T FEEL THE CHANCES OF GETTING THAT WITHIN THE, THE TIP, UH, IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS WERE VERY HIGH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S THE PCI 68, SO LET'S, NOT THAT BAD. CAN WE AGREE THAT WE'LL JUST KIND OF SET THAT ONE ASIDE? YES. MM-HMM . ANY HEARTACHE ON THAT ONE? MM-HMM. OKAY, SO DOWN. ALL RIGHT, WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THE THOROUGHFARE PROJECTS. LET'S GO INTO NEIGHBORHOOD STREET SIDEWALKS, TRAFFIC. UM, THE ONLY THE ONES WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT WERE THE NORTH ALEXANDER TRAFFIC SIGNAL RELOCATION, $7.5 MILLION TO, UH, DO ALL THAT WORK. BUT, SO I DRIVE THAT ROAD ACTUALLY SINCE THE LAST MEETING. I'VE BEEN DOWN THAT THING 14 TIMES. I COUNTED DAY, I DRIVE DAY DRIVE IT EVERY DAY. AND I, AND ONCE A WEEK I GO TO BE CITY THAT AWAY AND I COME BACK THAT AWAY AND, AND I, AND TWO LITTLE DAYS IT WAS POURING DOWN RAINING AND I HADN'T HAD A ONE PROBLEM WITH LIGHTS ON IT STOPPING OR GOING OUT OR FLASHING OR, AND MOST OF THE TIME I CATCH ALL THE LIGHTS ALL THE WAY DOWN, BUT IT'S A NO FOR ME. I LIVE IN THE AREA AND THEY GO OUT A LOT. THEY DO. I LIVE IN THE AREA. THEY DO GO OUT A LOT, BUT ALL THE POSE AND EVERYTHING ARE LIKE YOU, UNLESS THEY JUST PAINTED 'EM. BUT TO ME, I, I ALSO WENT JUST BECAUSE I LIVE RIGHT OFF OF ALEXANDER AND WHEN I LOOKED AT ALL THE LIGHTS, IT ALL LOOKED FAIRLY NEW. THEY THINK IT WAS THE COMPUTER SOFTWARE, BUT THEY WERE MAINLY CONCERNED THE COMPUTER SOFTWARE COST THAT CONTROLS CONTROLS. WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S, YOU GOTTA DESIGN THERE. THERE'S, THERE'S THE CONTROL SIDE. THERE'S ALSO PHYSICAL REPLACEMENT OF THE ELECTRICAL OF EVERYTHING. THE CONDUITS ARE OLD CONTROL AND IT SHORTS OUT WHEN THERE'S RAIN. YEAH, THEY DO BECAUSE THEY DID GO OUT ALIVE. AND THEY DID. THEY DID. BUT NOT LONG AGO. AND MY FAULT WAS NO. AND THEN WHEN I HEARD THAT IT'S AN ELECTRICAL, UH, SYSTEMS OPERATION PROBLEM, THAT IS NOT GOING TO GET BETTER. I, I KIND OF BELIEVE, EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT HANDICAPPED BY WAITING A FEW MINUTES, IF YOU'RE CONTINUALLY HAVING TO SEND CREWS OUT THERE TO, TO MAINTAIN THESE THINGS, YOU MIGHT AT WEAKEST SYSTEM IN THE CITY. FROM WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY, IT'S MY INTERPRETATION, UH, THAT IT'S GONNA BE A REPETITIVE ISSUE. AND SO I THOUGHT HE OUGHT AT LEAST PUT IT INTO CONSIDERATION. ESPECIALLY, I MEAN AT FIRST I WAS LIKE, NO, BECAUSE OF THE POST LOOK ALL NEW, BUT SINCE NOW I'M FINDING OUT IT'S ELECTRICAL, I COULD UNDERSTAND BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I LIVED DOWN THAT ROAD, OFF THAT ROAD AND EVERY TIME IT RAINS, MOST OF THE TIME THEY'RE OUT. AND YOU HAVE TO STOP ALL FOUR WAYS. CONSTANT. AND THIS HAPPENS A LOT, RIGHT? AND ACTUALLY, IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME TO STOP AND WAIT, BUT IF IT'S GONNA BE CONTINUOUS, IT'S GONNA, IT'S A PROBLEM. IT'S RANKED PRETTY HIGH ON THE CITY'S LIST AS WELL. AND LET'S KEEP IN MIND THAT THE CITY STAFF'S RANKING SHOULD MATCH UP WITH THE CITY'S VISION AND MASTER PLANNING FOR THE ENTIRE CITY, RIGHT? SO THAT THAT WASN'T JUST THEM THINKING, HEY, HOW DO WE RANK THESE? IT WAS, THEY APPLIED THE CITY'S PRIORITIES AS WELL. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT MEANS THAT THEY, THEY THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO RANK IT UP IN THE TOP SEVEN OR EIGHT OF ALL THE PROJECTS, IT'S $7.5 BILLION. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T, I DON'T DRIVE THAT SIDE A LOT, SO I DON'T EXPERIENCE ALL THE OUTAGES. BUT, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF OUR CITY LIVES OVER THERE AND WE'RE LOOKING OUT FOR THE WHOLE CITY. SO I WOULD SAY YES BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU SAID AND YOU SAID BECAUSE THEY GO THROUGH IT AND THEY'RE CLOSE TO IT. YEAH. THERE'S A LIGHT BY WHERE I LIVE THAT ONLY IF YOU'RE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE PEOPLE THAT CUT THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD KNOW THAT IT TAKES A WHILE. SO THESE TWO, THEY KNOW FOR ME, ONWARD MADE THE DIFFERENCE. WARD AND ALEXANDER. SO I'M RIGHT DOWN THE NOTE ABOUT IT, SO I GET ALL THE TIME. OKAY. HOW? LOOK, IT'S JUST NOT ONE, IT'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF THE LIGHTS. THAT'S THE WHOLE THING. YEAH. IT'S ALL THEM. HOW, HOW WE, HOW WE, HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT THIS ONE? I'M GOOD. YOU'RE GOOD? YES. YEAH, YOU, YOU, HE SAYS HE CAN READ FACES, SO YEAH, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING. I WON'T TELL EVERYBODY I DON'T, NO, WHAT I WAS THINKING IS THAT THAT'S NOT THE ONLY AREA I REALIZE THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S ALMOST EVERYWHERE IN BAYTOWN, EVEN OFF OF BAYWAY AND, BUT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT BECAUSE IT KIND OF LEADS INTO WHERE THE HOTEL AND ALL OF THAT THAT'S FIXING, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT. AND HERE AND I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY HIGHWAY ONE NINE, I WOULD SAY THE AREA OF TOWN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS PROBABLY ON THE LIST SOMEWHERE ALSO. BUT THEY CAN'T ALL BE ON THE LIST, RIGHT? NO, BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. IT IS EVERYWHERE. YEAH. OKAY. I TWIST IT ON. I WON'T LOSE IT. SLEEPOVER WON'T LOSE SLEEP OVER EVERYBODY'S, I'M GOOD. I'M GOOD WITH IT. YES. GOOD DEAL. ALRIGHT, LET'S GOOD ONE FIRST. I WAS ANOTHER. [00:25:04] OKAY. SAFE ROUTES TO PARKS. THIS WAS A LOT OF, WAS THIS A LOT OF SIDEWALK UM, PROJECTS, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND WE HAD ALL THESE PARKS IN OUR PACKAGE AND, UH, CONNECTIVITY AND FROM NEIGHBORHOODS TO PARKS AND UH, THE WORD, THE KEY WORD IS SAFE. YOU KNOW, TRYING TO KEEP OUR, OUR CITIZENS AND, AND CHILDREN SAFE WITH ALL THESE, UH, PARK ROUTES. SO $5.6 MILLION, UM, IS WHAT WAS PROPOSED FOR THE COST OF ALL THIS WORK. WE WENT THROUGH IT IN DETAIL A WHILE BACK. HOW DO, HOW DO PEOPLE FEEL? BUT THIS IS ALL OVER TOWN, PRETTY MUCH. NOT EVERY PARK, BUT A LOT OF PARKS SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE CITY IN DIFFERENT AREAS. I WOULD SAY NO BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT UH, THERE'S DIFFERENT ROUTES YOU CAN GO. AND NOT ONLY THAT, A LOT OF THE ROADS ARE GETTING FIXED. SO THAT WOULD COVER, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE WASTE OF THE PARKS 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALL GETTING PAID ON THOSE ASPHALT. THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ME. ANY THOUGHTS ON THESE SIDEWALK PROJECTS TO ALL THE PARKS? I SAID NO ON THEM. NO. OKAY. SAID NO FOR ME. NO. ANY, ANY STRONG FEELINGS THE OTHER WAY? YES. I FEEL LIKE THE SAFETY ASPECT SHOULD BE OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. YES. I DUNNO, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT ME FOR ME TO TELL. I'M READING, I'M READING. I THINK THIS IS THE ONE WITH THE TRAIN TO HAVE PERMISSION. THIS IS ONE THAT JUST TOWN, THERE'S DIFFERENT PARKS AND THERE'S SIDEWALK PROJECTS. AND IF YOU, IF YOU ARE OUT IN THE PARKS, I'M THINKING LIKE JENKINS AND IS IT BLUE HERON? MM-HMM . THOSE SIDEWALKS BETWEEN PARKS GET USED A LOT. MM-HMM . TRAILS GET USED A LOT IF YOU'RE OUT THERE. UM, AND SO I, I GET PEOPLE MIGHT NOT BE WALKING THOSE SIDEWALKS, BUT OUR COMMUNITY DOES USE THEM. SO MOST OF THESE PEOPLE WALK, THEY WALK IN THE PARK, THEY DON'T WALK ON THE SIDE WHERE THEY DRIVE. WELL, THE PARKS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVE LARGER LOOPS FOR WALKING. I DO SEE PEOPLE WALKING, BUT I THINK THE PARKS THAT WERE, THAT WERE IN THIS PACKAGE, IF YOU OPEN IT UP, ARE SMALLER NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS. SO THEY'RE NOT ON BIG, YOU KNOW, THOROUGH FAIRS. THEY'RE, THEY'RE MORE NEIGHBORHOOD RELATED. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I RECALL. LIKE, LIKE OVER IN PELLY AND YEAH. OVER IN TOWN AND SOME OF THOSE PARTS. SO, UH, A YES, A YES. WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING ABOUT HALF AND HALF ON THAT ONE. SO, UH, LET'S PUT A HOLD ON THAT. OKAY. UM, THE, THE LAST ONE IN THAT GROUP IS THE JENKINS PARK, THE GOOSE CREEK TRAIL CONNECTION. THAT'S, THAT'S THE OVERHEAD ONE FOR YOU. THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE OVER THE ROAD. THE RAILROAD TRACKS $451,000 FOR THEM TO, TO, TO COME UP WITH A PLAN. IT'S NOT, THAT DOESN'T BUILD IT RIGHT? THIS IS JUST SOME DESIGN WORK TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND TWO INTERSECTIONS THAT DON'T CONNECT AND, AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. WE, WE, WE SAW SOME OF THE RENDERINGS AND SO IT'S $451,000 TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A PLAN. DOESN'T BUILD IT. THAT'S A NO FOR ME, BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY COULD DO THAT ON A HORSEMAN, UH, JUNIOR SCHOOL. THAT'S THE DANGER. KIDS WALKING ACROSS 1 46 TO GO TO SCHOOL. I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING DANGER BESIDES GOING TO A PARK. I MEAN, THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ME. THAT'S NOT OUR LIST. BUT IF IT WERE, WE'D, WE'D PROBABLY TACKLE IT PRETTY STRONG. SO, AND TEAR DOWN A CON LODGE, WE'RE, WE'RE CLEAR ON, UH, THAT'S NOT OUR SCOPE WORK. I KNOW. WE, WE, WE CLEAR, UH, THIS ISN'T MARCUS BOND PROGRAM. OKAY. THIS IS, I KNOW, BUT I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. OKAY, SO LAST WEEK I DROVE BY AND I WAS REMINDED OF THIS CONNECTION THAT Y'ALL ARE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, OFFER UP AND, AND, AND I THOUGHT, I GUESS I CAN REALLY SEE, I, I DON'T DO THAT WALK, BUT YOU KNOW, IT IS A CONVOLUTED WAY TO GET ACROSS FROM ONE OR THE OTHER. AND I DO DRIVE BY, YOU KNOW, AND SEE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ON THE BLUE HERON PARKWAY DOING THEIR TRAILS STUFF. UH, AND I USED TO LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE IN ALL THE TRAILS THAT PEOPLE WALKED THERE. SO I CAN SEE IT COMING. UH, BUT I AM REMINDED THAT IN HOUSTON LAST YEAR THEY HAD A SCHOOL ISSUE AND A TRAIN SYSTEM AND BUILDING A AND I THINK THAT, UH, THEY WERE DEBATING AND I THINK HE ENDED UP WITH LIKE A SIX OR $7 MILLION CROSSING OVER A TRAIL, UH, EXCUSE ME, OVER A RAIL TRACK. SO IT'S SOMETHING WE OUGHT TO HAVE OUT THERE, JUST LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE RA THERE, BUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE PUT IT IN THIS ONE. UH, BUT IT, IT SHOULD BE DEFINITELY SOMETHING CONSIDER, SO THIS IS PLANNING ONLY. THIS IS NOT BUILDING, THIS IS, THIS IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, AND YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE RAILROAD, WHICH MIGHT BE, WE MIGHT ALL BE DEAD BEFORE THAT GOES THROUGH, BUT NO, THEY, [00:30:01] THEY SAID DIDN'T SAY PERMISSION. THE RAILROAD. YEAH, THEY GOT PERMISSION FROM THE RAILROAD ALREADY SO THAT, THAT HURDLE THAT YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN A LIFETIME BEFORE IT HAPPENS. BUT THAT HURDLE, THEY TOLD US THEY'VE ALREADY JUMPED THE PERMISSION. DOES THAT INCLUDE THE, DO YOU STILL HAVE TO GET THE DESIGN APPROVED? IT'S GOTTA BE, IT'LL HAVE TO BE ABOVE A CERTAIN ELEVATION. YEAH. AND IT HAS TO BE. YEAH. I THINK, I THINK THAT'S TYPICAL AS YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY PROJECT. BUT JUST TO GET THEM TO AGREE TO, TO LOOK AT COMING OVER. YOU KNOW, THE, THE UNIQUE THING ABOUT THAT INTERSECTION, UH, IS IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE PEOPLE TRYING TO GET FROM PO POINT A TO POINT B, IT, IT IS A VERY AWKWARD, UH, NO SIDEWALKS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, TRAIN TRACK CROSSING AT A 45 DEGREE ANGLE WITH A BIG HUMP AND, AND TRAFFIC TWO A ALL THE TIME. IT'S A, IT'S A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, UH, AT THAT POINT, RIGHT? THERE'S TWO LANES THAT, THE OTHER PART OF THIS WAS THE CONNECTIVITY AND THAT'S IN THE PROJECT CONNECTIVITY TO THE ENTIRE GOOSE CREEK TRAIL SYSTEM TO THE WEST OF THAT INTERSECTION, TO EVERYTHING ON THE EAST SIDE, WHICH IS NOT JUST JENKINS PARK, IT'S EVERYTHING THAT GOES THROUGH THE WOODS AND OVER TO RACCOON. AND UH, UM, I LIVE BY THAT PARK, WHATEVER, IT'S HOLLOW HOLLOWAY, WHAT IS IT? HOLLOWAY HOLLOWAY, YEAH. JC HOLLOWAY PARK. SO THIS WAS ABOUT SAFE CROSSING AND CONNECTIVITY OF THE ENTIRE CITY'S PARK SYSTEM. SO AGAIN, FROM A MASTER PLANNING PERSPECTIVE THAT THE CITY IS LOOKING AT FOR ALL THE, THE CONNECTIVITY IN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN. AND I KNOW MOST OF US DON'T GO GET ON A BIKE AND RIDE ACROSS TOWN, BUT, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DO MOVE NORTH, SOUTH, EAST AND WEST THROUGH ALL THESE CONNECTOR TRAILS. AND, AND IF YOU PAY ATTENTION, YOU'LL SEE 'EM. UH, AND, AND SO THIS IS $451,000 TO HELP THEM START LOOKING AT HOW TO GET OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS WITH SOMETHING SAFE. HAVE YOU TRIED LOOKING AT GRANTS? IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? I KNOW THERE'S GRANTS THAT ARE COMING TO GET, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE ON BAYWAY AND THREE 30, LIKE THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW, THERE, I'M GIVING YOU AN EXAMPLE. THAT ONE TAKES FOREVER OR ANY OF THEM REALLY. YEAH. AND THERE'S GRANTS COMING TO EITHER MAKE A ROAD OR HAVE THE CARS GO OVER IT OR THE TRAIN OVER IT. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY TO LOOK AT GRANTS FOR THIS? 'CAUSE THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE WORKS IN GENERAL. THERE IS, BUT GRANTS ALMOST ALWAYS REQUIRE A MATCH, YOU KNOW, A CITY CONTRIBUTION. AND IF WE DON'T HAVE IT BUDGETED, THEN WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, FIND THE MONEY FROM ANOTHER PROJECT OR SO IS HAVING A DESIGN PLAN YEAH. I GUESS BETTER SUITING US TO YES. APPLY FOR A GRANT. YEAH. AND, AND WITH A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS IS, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S MONEY OUT THERE, BUT, BUT YOU GOTTA BE READY TO GO. YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AND WHAT IT'S BASED ON. YOU CAN'T SAY, CAN YOU GIVE US A GRANT SO WE CAN GO FIGURE THIS OUT? AND I THINK THAT'S SPECIFICALLY WHAT THIS IS LOOKING FOR IS TO HAVE SOMETHING READY IN HAND TO SAY, HEY, IF THERE ARE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES, 'CAUSE THIS ISN'T TO BUILD IT, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY TO BUILD, IT'S JUST TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT. SO HOW WE, I KINDA LOOK AT THIS, THIS IS A PROJECT WHERE WE ENDED UP WITH TWO RAMPS AND A CONTINENTAL BRIDGE FOR MINNESOTA. THEY DESIGNED THE STEEL BRIDGES FOR EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTRY. THEY BUILD THEM BY THE THOUSANDS. YEAH. AND, AND THEY'RE SUPER STRONG AND THEY'RE VERY COST EFFECTIVE. WHY DON'T WE GET ONE FOR A CARD TO GO? BECAUSE THEY TAKE FOREVER. SO HERE AGAIN, WE'RE NOT, THAT'S NOT IN OUR SCOPE OF MARK WASN'T WELL IT'S IN THE, IT WAS IN THE NEWS. THAT'S WHAT THE DEAL WAS. IT WAS IN THE NEWS ABOUT BAYTOWN COMPLAINING ABOUT THE RAILROAD TAKING FOREVER ON THE TRACKS AND KEEPING PEOPLE YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A DIFFERENT PROBLEM . SO, UH, HOW ARE WE LOOKING AT $451,000 TO HELP GET THINGS GOING AND POSSIBLY FIND THE RENT AND CROSSOVER? THAT'S ANOTHER YES. THAT'S ANOTHER ONE I WON'T LOSE SLEEP OVER. OKAY. OH, A YES. , YOU JUST TESTED ME NOW, AREN'T YOU? NO. OKAY. NONE. YES, YES, YES. YEAH. IT'S GOT ENOUGH, UH, YESES TO PUT THAT ONE DOWN AS A, IN THAT CATEGORY OF, WITH THIS COUPLE OF EXCEPTIONS. ALRIGHT. UM, OKAY. UH, JENKINS PARK? NOPE, WE JUST DID THAT ONE. MM-HMM . THAT ONE WE JUST DID. OKAY. OKAY. SO LET'S MOVE ON TO DRAINAGE. WE, LAST, LAST TIME WE MET, WE, WE PICKED ONE DRAINAGE PROJECT THAT I I THINK WE ALL BELIEVE WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT OUTTA ALL OF 'EM BECAUSE OF THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND JUST THE, JUST THE WHOLE IMPROVEMENT TO THAT WHOLE AREA. UH, THERE WERE TWO PROJECTS AHEAD OF THAT ONE AND THOSE WERE DESIGN AND, AND YOU KNOW, DESIGN ONLY, DESIGN ACQUISITION ONLY. SO THEY WERE SMALLER AMOUNTS OF MONEY. SO WE AGREED ON A $22 MILLION PROJECT BECAUSE THERE WAS 12 MILLION OF, OF ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO SUPPORT THE 10 THE CITY WOULD PUT. BUT WE GOT AHEAD OF THAT FROM THE RANKING FROM THE MASTER PLAN THAT THE CITY HAS TO, TO PREPARE [00:35:01] FOR THE, UH, ROLLING BROOK, GARTH ROAD TO MAIN STREET DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT AND THE WEST MAIN DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT. SO ONE TO 2,000,001 AND 1.5. THIS AGAIN, AS WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, IS SOME OF THOSE FUNDS THAT WOULD HELP THE CITY PREPARE IN FIVE OR SIX YEARS TO FIND THOSE MATCHING GRANTS LIKE THE ONE THAT WE JUST APPROVED WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, $12 MILLION, WHICH I'M SURE WAS BASED ON HAVING SOMETHING YOU KNOW IN MIND READY TO GO. SO THOSE TWO PROJECTS TOGETHER, ONE 2,000,001, 1.5 WILL HELP CONTINUE PLANNING THE, THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF BAYTOWN IN THE MOST NEEDED AREAS, UH, BASED ON THE CITY'S MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN. UH, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT, LET'S LOOK AT THE FIRST ONE. THE ROLLING ROAD, UM, GARTH ROAD MAIN. EVERYBODY FAMILIAR WITH THAT STRETCH OF ROAD, RIGHT? UM, IT'S, IT'S, UH, THIS END IS JUST DESIGN ONLY $2 MILLION TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MITIGATE FLOODING ON THAT STREET AND HOPEFULLY BE READY FOR SOME FUNDS DOWN THE ROAD. HOW, HOW DO WE THINK ABOUT PLANNING AHEAD? I KNOW WHAT MARKET THINKS. HOW DO WE PLAN, PLAN? HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT I SAID YES. IS THAT A GOOD ONE? YES. OKAY. YES. ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I THINK SOMEONE MENTIONED THAT THERE'S LIKE A DIPS OR DIPS IN THE ROAD AND IT'S BECAUSE OF PIPES, THE WASHING OUT UNDERNEATH AND ALL THAT. YEAH. YES. SO THIS, THIS IS GONNA HELP PLAN TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIX ALL THAT, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA TO BE CLEAR. IT'S $2 MILLION. THIS ISN'T GONNA FIX THE ROAD. OKAY. WOW. I KNOW. NOW YOU'RE THROWING ME OFF . ALRIGHT. IS THAT MARGARET? YOU I TRAVEL IT A LOT. I KNOW ABOUT THAT. IF YOU'RE SLIGHTLY TOO FAST YOU'RE IN TROUBLE. YES. SLOW DOWN. MARGARET'S GONNA NOT GONNA GIVE IN. ALRIGHT. THE WEST MAIN DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT, THAT WAS A A A DIFFERENT PART OF TOWN. IT WAS, REMIND ME EXACTLY WHERE IT WAS. WHERE WAS IT? OH, IT WAS LEE DRIVE INTERSECTION IN WEST MAIN DOWN IN PELLEY. IF YOU'RE FROM HERE, WELL, PELLEY, UH, THAT'S 1.5 TO LOOK AT SIMILAR IMPROVEMENTS FOR THAT AREA. THAT'S A KEY INTERSECTION. UM, THE THOROUGHFARE WISE BETWEEN WEST MAIN AND LEE DRIVE, GOING TO STATE HIGHWAY NINE NINE. SO AGAIN, 1.5 MILLION TO HELP FIGURE OUT DESIGN PLAN FOR THE NEXT MAJOR DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. HOW WE, HOW WERE WE THINKING THERE? READY? IT'S A YES FOR ME. A YES. IS THERE WHERE THAT SCHOOL'S AT? IS THAT WHAT THIS PICTURE? NO, UM, BY THE RAILROAD TRACKS BECAUSE I KNOW ONE TIME WHEN IT FLOODED REALLY BAD, WE HAD PEOPLE I WAS WORKING THE ELECTION AND THEY THAT STUCK IN THE WATER. I THINK THAT'S THIS SPEED. NOW THIS IS, THIS IS LIKE THE BRIDGE IS OVER HERE. THIS, THE BAYTOWN SEAFOOD IS RIGHT HERE. YEP. OH, HATHAWAY IS RIGHT. OKAY. SO THE INTERSECTION OF MAINE AND LEE AND THEN BACK TO THE WEST. IT'S A LOW AREA THERE, RIGHT? YEAH. OBVIOUSLY. NO, IT'S LOW. SO IT'S GOT CHALLENGES ALREADY, BUT IT CAN BE, IT CAN BE HANDLED, BUT IT'S STILL LOWER THAN THE SHIP CHANNEL IS. I MEAN HIGHER THAN SHIP CHANNEL. SO A LITTLE BIT. ARE WE GOOD THERE? A LITTLE BIT. I GOT A LOT OF YESES ON THAT ONE. MARGA, I GUESS, HUH? YEAH, I GUESS I'M NOT ASKING AGAIN. THAT'S, I'M TAKING IT . ALRIGHT. OKAY. AS WE MOVE DOWN TO THE DRAINAGE PROJECTS, WEST TEXAS DOWNSTREAM DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT. UH, THIS ONE, EXCUSE ME, I'M SORRY. UH, FRANK, WOULD YOU MIND THIS, ARE THESE MATCHING FUNDS ALREADY AVAILABLE OR WE JUST THINK, OKAY, SO YOU HAD IT MARKED AS NOT A HIGH YES. 'CAUSE WE HAVE A CURRENT PROJECT TO IMPROVE THE DRAIN SYSTEM ON ALONG TEXAS AVENUE. THIS IS WHAT, UH, WOULD BE THE DOWNSTREAM PORTION. AND AS THEY'RE DESIGNING THE, UH, TEXAS AVENUE IMPROVEMENTS, THEY SAID THAT THE DOWNSTREAM PORTION, UM, WOULD NEED IMPROVEMENT TO GET TO THE ULTIMATE CAPACITY. BUT IT, IT, THE PROJECT, THE CURRENT PROJECT IS GONNA IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE GREATLY. SO. OKAY. UH, IT WAS OUR THOUGHT THAT WE FINISHED THE CURRENT PROJECT AND THEN SEE HOW THE SYSTEM FUNCTION, ASSESS IT AND THEN, SO CORRECT. BASICALLY THAT'S WHY IT RANKED LOW ON Y'ALL'S SIDE. SO I, IT IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE TELLING US, HEY, LET'S TEST WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, SEE HOW IT WORKS. IT DOESN'T WORK. WE'LL JUST HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT LATER. DOES THAT SOUND IT? IT'S A NO WIN. IT'S A, A WIN-WIN FOR ME. I MEAN, WE GOT A TWO TO ONE OPPORTUNITY HERE FROM ON FUNDING. WELL, IT'S NOT GUARANTEED FUNDING. IF THEY GET THE FUNDING AND IF THEY DON'T GET THE FUNDING, THEN THE PROJECT WON'T HAPPEN. SO YOU'RE RIGHT. WHAT DO WE GOT TO LOSE? [00:40:01] YEAH, SO IT'S A YES FROM ME. A LOT OF MONEY. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE FEEL THAT SAME WAY? ARE WE I DON'T NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. BECAUSE REASON WHY HE, THERE'S A NOT A HIGH NEED FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. I SAID NO, SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE GOT SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT AND SO I THINK WE'D WANNA WAIT AND SEE HOW THAT IS AND THEN WE CAN DEAL THAT WITH THE NEXT ROUND, WITH THE NEXT BOND ISSUE IF WE NEED TO. YEAH, I MEAN I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT IT LATER, THE POTENTIAL FOR THE MATCH IS, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S A GUESS. IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE, BUT IT'S, IT'S A GUESS. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAME UP WITH TWO TO ONE SIDE ON THAT ONE, BUT, YOU KNOW, GETTING A 3.5 FOR OUR 1.7, HOW DOES, HOW DOES THAT WORK? UH, THAT'S ASSUMING IT WOULD BE, UH, A FEDERAL GRANT THAT WOULD BE A FEDERAL, LIKE A 80, 80% CONSTRUCTION AND 20% FOR THE CITY. THE CITY GETS OUT. THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR A DESIGN. YEAH. NOW I'M A NOTE . NOW . OKAY. I THINK, I THINK I'M GONNA SAY, I THINK WE'VE HEARD ENOUGH FOR THE CITY IS KIND OF LETTING US KNOW THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO. BUT RIGHT NOW THEY GOT SOME IMPROVEMENTS GOING ON. THEY THINK IT'S GONNA WORK AND, AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IF IT DOESN'T, THEY'LL, THEY'LL COME BACK AROUND. DOES THAT SOUND FAIR? RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. THE LAST ONE WAS, UH, DANINA AND I, AND I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT QUITE A BIT AND I THINK FRANK GAVE US A LOT OF THE ISSUES THEY'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW WITH THE CURRENT DRAINAGE PROJECT AND, AND FIGURING IT OUT AND THEN THROW THIS ON TOP OF IT. AND I'M JUST GONNA SAY FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, I, I KNOW YOUR BOSSES ARE HERE, BUT YOU DIDN'T SOUND LIKE YOU REALLY WANT TO DO THAT PROJECT, RIGHT, , I MEAN, I, I I CAN'T FORCE HARDLY RECOMMEND. I'M GONNA THROW YOU UNDER THE BUS HERE TO HELP US. I MEAN, I, I THINK WE PROBABLY AGREE IT'S PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING WE LOOK AT RIGHT NOW BASED ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD, THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD. AND ON FRANK'S RECOMMENDATION, SORRY FRANK, FRANK DIDN'T SAY A WORD. IT'S OKAY. ALRIGHT. YOU JUST READ HIS EYES. I READ HIS EYES. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY, LET'S MOVE INTO FACILITIES. I THINK WE'VE GOT, SO WHAT'S THE ANSWER ON THAT? NO, WAS, NO, NO. OKAY. YEAH. HOW ABOUT HARRIS COUNTY WAS CONTRIBUTING TO THAT FOR, UH, PHASE ONE, PHASE ONE AND TWO. OKAY. AND THAT'S THE PROJECT THAT'S CURRENTLY ONGOING THAT, UM, THEY HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT HOW TO IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE WITHOUT TAKING OUT THE HOUSES ALONG THE CHANNEL. OKAY. THAT'S SO THAT'LL HAVE TO BE RESOLVED BEFORE ANYTHING. THAT'S WHAT I, I THINK WE NEED TO RESOLVE THAT AND MAKE SURE WE CAN DO PROJECT TRUNK LINE PHASE ONE AND TWO, FOUR. WE AGREE TO DO PHASE THREE. OKAY. LET'S LOOK AT FACILITIES. UM, SO WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME CLARIFYING AND TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, BAY. WE, BAYTOWN WETLANDS CENTER. WE GOT A CLARIFIED, I THINK SCOPE TODAY. THE BA THE TITLE BASICALLY CLARIFIES, WE'RE TALKING AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS TWO OR THREE TIMES. SO WE'RE FIRM. THIS IS A BUILDING TO MOVE ALL THE WETLAND CENTER EDUCATIONAL COMPONENTS OUT TO THE NATURE CENTER. AND IT INCLUDES, UH, PROGRAMS FOR THE ARBORETUM SIDE OF THINGS, THE GARDENS, UH, AND THE GARDENS. GARDENS, CORRECT. AND THE GAR. OKAY. THE GARDENS FOR ALL THAT. AND THE PROGRAMS FOR THE ARBORETUM CAN BE RUN OUT OF THIS WETLANDS, UH, EDUCATIONAL FACILITY. THE PROJECT COST IS $13 MILLION. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME, UH, CONCERN ABOUT THE COST OF IT BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING. AND I THINK WHAT WE HEARD WAS THE CONSULTANTS USED A VERY HIGH SQUARE FOOTAGE NUMBER TO INCLUDE ALL THE PERIPHERAL SITE PREP UNDERGROUND, EVERYTHING THAT GOES THAT YOU NORMALLY WOULDN'T PUT INTO A BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE CALCULATION, BUT IT IS JUST KIND OF HOW IT WORKED OUT, RIGHT? YEP. RIGHT. SO WE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT ONE. SO WE'RE TALKING $13 MILLION FOR THE WETLAND CENTER, NEW AND IMPROVED GREATER ACCESS FOR, UH, OTHER ISDS OUTSIDE OF BAYTOWN BRINGING THEIR STUDENTS HERE ALL AT ONCE INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BRING 'EM A FEW AT A TIME. SO, UH, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION HOW WE, HOW WE FEEL'S A YES FOR ME. YES. YES. OKAY. WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT MARGARET FOR? DON'T LOOK AT MARGARET. LEAVE HER ALONE. MARGARET. I DON I'M NOT TELLING YOU NOTHING THAT'S A NO FOR ME. OKAY. YOU KNOW YOU WANT IT. NO, IT'S GOOD. THAT'S RIGHT. VALUABLE. THINK ABOUT THE KIDS . THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WAS THINKING OF TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. WELL, IT'S AN EDUCATIONAL FACILITY I UNDERST UNDERSTAND AND [00:45:01] THAT'S, THAT WAS THE PRIORITY THING FOR ME. YEAH. SO IS GOOSE CREEK GOING IN, IN WITH THIS TOO? OKAY. SO YES. LOOKING GOOD. IT'S A RELUCTANT YES, THAT'S THE BEST CASE. GOOD. SORRY. OKAY. AND THE, UH, AND I DON'T EVEN WANNA GO THERE RIGHT NOW. . YEAH, WE DO. JUST RIP MAN. WE GOTTA GO THE LIBRARY. NO, NO UNTIL EASY. SEE, UNTIL THE CITY CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT. I CAN'T. GOOD CONSCIENCE. SO YES. YES. PERFECT. I, I THINK, AND JASON'S HERE AND I, UH, HE'S THE ONE THAT PRESENTED AND, AND I THINK I UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT CITY AND PROPERTY COUNCIL WANTED THIS COMMITTEE TO DO RELATED TO LIBRARIES MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON BEHALF OF CITIZENS. BUT I THINK AS WE TALKED BEFORE, THIS IS ONE PROJECT THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN ALL THE OTHERS WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO AGREE ON SOME DOLLAR VALUE FROM ZERO TO 20 MILLION AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN FOR SOME SCOPE OF WORK THAT WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT WOULD BE. AND WE HAVE NO INPUT FROM THE LIBRARY SIDE OF THINGS. MIKE MADE THAT POINT. THERE'S A, A CITIZENS GROUP THERE AND, AND WE KNOW THE LIBRARY'S NOT GONNA GO AWAY IF WE DON'T PUT ANYTHING IN THERE THAT, THAT JASON SAID THE LIBRARY COMPONENT WILL, WILL BE IN THERE SOMEWHERE. UM, SOMEHOW IT, IT, IT'LL, IT'LL TAKE FACILITY MONEY AND SPACE AWAY FROM OTHER STUFF. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE DEFAULT, RIGHT? THAT'S THE DEFAULT. OR THE CITY COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO REHAB THE EXISTING BUILDING EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO MONEY FOR THAT. UH, COULD FIGURE SOMETHING OUT. SO THIS, THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A STRUGGLE FOR ME BECAUSE I WOULD ALMOST HAVE TO TAKE THIS PROJECT AND COMPLETELY SEPARATE IT OUT AND WE JUST HAVE A WHOLE DISCUSSION AND BRING IN EXPERTS ON THIS AND THAT AND COST AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF FOR ME TO EVEN HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT, WHAT I WOULD THINK WOULD BE VALUABLE TO THE COMMUNITY. DO I THINK A BRAND NEW LIBRARY, A BRAND NEW $20 MILLION LIBRARY, STATE OF THE ART ALL WOULD, WOULD BE OF VALUE AND, AND LAST LONGER OR AS LONG AS THE STARTING LIBRARY THIS SLASHES. YEAH, I, I DO. UM, BUT IN THE, IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH, IT'S KIND OF HARD PUT TO, TO JUST LOOK AT IT THAT ONE WAY. OKAY. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR RYAN OVER HERE. SO I KNOW IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS YOU EXPRESSED THAT VECTOR WAS FOR VECTOR AND VECTOR ONLY, CORRECT. YOU TALKING WITH ME? YES SIR. YEAH. OH, JASON, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T SPEAK UP LOUD. JASON REYNOLDS. YEAH, YEAH. STATE MANAGERS. SAY IT ONE MORE TIME. OKAY. SO IN IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS YOU EXPLAINED THAT VECTOR, THE, THE PRO THE FUNDS FOR VECTOR WERE FOR VECTOR AND VECTOR ONLY. CORRECT. FOR THAT ONE WAS VECTOR PROJECT AREA. VECTOR PROJECT IN GENERAL. YEAH. OKAY. SO DOES THE CITY HAVE LIKE A COST ANALYSIS OF WHAT IT WOULD COST TO FIX THE, THE ROOF, THE ELECTRICAL, THE I GOT THING WE TALKED ABOUT THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING BEING REPAIRED AS WELL. IS THERE, THAT WAY WE COULD ACTUALLY SEE LIKE WHAT IT WOULD COST TO EVEN DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO TWO THINGS. A BRAND NEW LI A BRAND NEW LIBRARY, BRAND NEW ROUGHLY GO FOR ABOUT 45 MILLION, 45 TO 70 MILLION BRAND NEW SOMEWHERE ELSE OR ON THE SAME SPOT. DOES IT WITHOUT LAND OR HUH? WITHOUT LAND OR? NO, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT TEAR THAT ONE DOWN. PUT A BRAND NEW ONE UP. 45 TO 70 MILLION BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN AROUND OTHER CITIES, UH, AROUND TEXAS. UM, THAT PART, THE 20,000,001. AND GILBERT, YOU KIND OF HIT IT ON THE HEAD. I JUST WANTED TO HEAR Y'ALL TALK ABOUT IT. I WANTED TO SEE WHAT, WHAT Y'ALL WANTED TO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT Y'ALL WHAT, WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS WERE. UM, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE DIALOGUE THAT Y'ALL HAD. GOOD, BAD, AND INDIFFERENT ON IT. RIGHT? IT'S JUST SO THAT WE CAN HEAR WHAT CITIZENS ARE THINKING ABOUT WHAT THEIR, UH, THEIR FEELINGS ON THE LIBRARY, UH, OVERALL, JUST SO THAT WE CAN HAVE MORE TALKING POINTS AS WE GO ALONG. THE DIRECT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, THERE ARE SOME PIECES THAT ARE THERE. I THINK WE, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, PIECES OF THE ROOF OR THE AC OR I FORGET WHAT WAS THE ROOF? THE ROOF NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AND I THINK THAT WAS ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS, RIGHT? UM, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I REALLY HAVE A COST ON. I KNOW, UH, KEVIN MENTIONED SOME OF THE PLUMBING NEEDS TO UPGRADE. WELL THE PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL NEEDS TO BE REHABBED, COMPLETELY REHABBED. UH, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A COST ESTIMATE ON THAT. I MEAN, WE COULD PUT SOME WILD NUMBER TOGETHER I GUESS, BUT RIGHT. UH, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT A MILLION PLUS TO COMPLETELY REHAB THE PLUMBING AND ELECTRICAL. THERE IS MONEY IN VECTOR RIGHT NOW IN THE VECTOR PROJECT. THERE'S MONEY SET ASIDE TO DO A PARTIAL REHABILITATION OF THE LIBRARY DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS. WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL SCOPE IS TO YOUR POINT. NOR WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL SCOPE IS. [00:50:01] AND IF THERE WAS LIKE THIS, THIS GROUP CAME TOGETHER AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT WOULD BE FANTASTIC TO PUT 20 MILLION TOWARDS REHABBING THE LIBRARY AS PART OF PUTTING IN THE NEW, UH, EVENT CENTER AS WELL. HEY MAN, THAT'S GOOD NEWS FOR US TO HEAR. AND WE WOULD, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING ELSE TO AMPLIFY WHAT THE LIBRARY IS, RIGHT? UM, BUT THERE WASN'T A LOT OF CONVERSATION AROUND IT. SO THAT ALSO SHOWS US THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF, UH, HEY, THE NEED THAT WAS FOCUSED ON WAS SAVING THE LIBRARY AND NOT TEARING IT DOWN. RIGHT? THERE WASN'T A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT AMPLIFYING THE LIBRARY. THERE WASN'T A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT CHANGING, UH, THE USES OR THE PROGRAMMING IN THE LIBRARY. IT WAS JUST SAVE THE LIBRARY. OKAY. WHEN I MENTIONED THE SENIOR CENTER, IT GOT A LITTLE BIT OF LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S COOL, BUT IT DIED ON THE VINE RIGHT THERE. SO THAT GIVES US INPUT FROM JUST A FIRST, UH, STUDY GROUP REALLY, OR A CITIZEN GROUP ON HOW Y'ALL FEEL ABOUT A LOT OF STUFF. AND THE PRIMARY FOCUS THAT WE TOOK AWAY, IT WAS LIKE, LIBRARY NEEDS TO STAY. OKAY, WELL THE LIBRARY WAS ALREADY STAYING, WE'RE JUST ALREADY GONNA REHABILITATE OR REHAB SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE PIECES OF THE LIBRARY, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF APPETITE TO PUT ANY EXTRA MONEY INTO IT. THAT'S ALSO GOOD DATA FOR US TO HAVE. RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THIS WAS GEARED TOWARD JUST TO SEE WHERE Y'ALL WENT WITH WITH THIS DISCUSSION. YOU NOW IS ORIGINALLY THERE WAS TALK ABOUT BUILDING A NEW LIBRARY AND IT WAS $20 MILLION AND NOW YOU'RE SAYING A NEW LIBRARY WOULD COST $40 MILLION. SO BASED UPON WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN OTHER PLACES, A TEAR DOWN AND REBUILD OF A BRAND NEW LIBRARY WOULD BE ROUGHLY 45 TO $70 MILLION. SO MY PROBLEM WITH THAT IS, IS THAT WE JUST BUILT SEVEN ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN THE CITY FOR UNDER $24 MILLION A PIECE. OKAY. AND THEY'RE MUCH BIGGER THAN THE LIBRARY. SO I, I JUST, I'M GO CHECK MY PHONE REAL QUICK MIKE, JUST IN CASE I'M WRONG. JUST ONCE AGAIN, WE JUST HAVE THE WILD SCOPE HERE WITH NOTHING IN IT. I KNOW WHAT THE SCHOOLS WERE BUILT FOR. SO DOES, SO DOES GILBERT, 'CAUSE WE WERE ON THE COMMITTEES THAT OVERSAW, OVERSAW THE BOND ELECTIONS AND THE LAST WE BUILT WAS, WAS 26 MILLION AND THAT WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE POURING CONCRETE AT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. 'CAUSE ALL THE EXXON STUFF WAS GOING ON. HOW LONG AGO WAS THAT? THREE YEARS. YEAH. AND THE LAST EIGHT YEARS WE'VE BUILT, WHEN WERE YOU ON THE THING LAST? IT'S BEEN SEVEN. YEAH. WE'VE BUILT SIX BRAND NEW SCHOOLS. WE STARTED OUT, THEY WERE 60 MILLION A PIECE. THEY ENDED UP WITH THE LAST TWO AT 24 MILLION. SO, SO I THINK, I THINK JASON, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT, I DON'T KNOW, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S FAIR TO TAKE THE CONVERSATION OR LACK OF THAT WE'VE HAD AS A TRUE ASSESSMENT OF THE LIBRARY AND HOW IT FEELS. RIGHT. IT IS ONE DATA POINT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE WENT IN THIS WITH SOME VERY SPECIFIC TARGETED PROJECTS WITH COSTS AND, AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE WEREN'T DECIDING WHETHER WE DO HALF A ROAD OR FULL ROAD RIGHT. YOU KNOW, WE, WE WERE LIKE YES OR NO ON THE DETAILED SCOPE OF WORK WE WERE GIVEN IN COSTS. AND I THINK THIS IS THAT ONE THAT HAD SO MANY VARIABLES. SO I CAN APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING AT THE CONVERSATION WE HAD, BUT WE, I DON'T THINK WE WERE IN LIBRARY MODE. I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A SEPARATE WORKSHOP JUST ON THE LIBRARY TO GET A TRUE FROM THESE CITIZENS WHO CAME IN HERE WITH A MINDSET OF WE'RE LOOKING AT PROJECTS, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND SOMETHING TO GO DO ON A BOND VERSUS WHAT DO WE THINK ABOUT THE NEED OF A LIBRARY IN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN FOR THE CITIZENS 'CAUSE RIGHT. THAT THE DATA POINT THAT YOU WOULD TAKE BACK, I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD BE IN CONSENSUS IS YOU TELL COUNCIL YOU NEED THIS PROJECT VECTOR MONEY AND UPGRADE THE ELECTRICITY OUTTA PROJECT VECTOR AND MOVE ON. AND THAT ALREADY IS THE CASE. YEAH. AND SO DID YOU TALK TO SOME OF THE STAFF? THEY WILL TELL YOU, 'CAUSE I'VE SPOKEN WITH THEM, IT WOULD BE NICER TO HAVE A ROOM OR A BIGGER ROOM TO HOUSE X, Y AND Z PROGRAMS. IT'S NOT OBVIOUSLY POSSIBLE IF YOU'RE JUST GONNA FIX THE ROOF AND THINGS LIKE THAT. YEAH, WE, WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WHAT JASON'S LOOKING AT IS A LIBRARY OF TODAY, NOT A LIBRARY OF BACK IN THE SEVENTIES OR WHENEVER SIXTIES, WHENEVER IT WAS BUILT. UH, AND WE KNOW THAT THE WALLS ARE THE LIMITING FACTOR. YOU CAN DO EVERYTHING YOU WANT INSIDE OF IT AND RENOVATE, BUT THE WALLS, THE ROOF, THE ELECTRICAL, YOU KNOW, ALL THE MECHANICAL SYSTEMS, THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE. SO SINCE VICTOR'S ALREADY INVOLVED IN ALL THAT, I WOULDN'T EVEN SAY. SO WHERE I'M GETTING MY DATA FROM MIKE, IS, THIS IS ONE THAT I JUST PULLED UP. THIS WAS CEDAR PARK OUT OF AUSTIN. IT WAS $40 MILLION, UH, TWO YEARS AGO, UH, TO BUILD THE LIBRARY. WELL, YOU ALREADY ANSWERED THE QUESTION IS AUSTIN. WELL, THERE'S ONE UP IN ARLINGTON THAT WAS AROUND THE SAME COST. SAME THING IN DALLAS AREA. WE'RE IN THE HOUSTON AREA. WHERE'S NO DIFFERENT WHERE'RE IN THE HOUSTON AREA? NO DIFFERENT THERE. JUST MAKING SURE I WASN'T GIVING Y ALLALL WRONG DATA. YEAH, THAT'S FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, HOW LONG AGO WOULD THEY BUILD THAT? THAT WAS TWO YEARS AGO. SO, AND THERE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE DOLLAR FIGURES AND, AND SCOPES OF WORK, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO REALLY COMPARE, YOU KNOW, ONE OR THE OTHER. UM, I'M, I'M JUST GONNA SAY JASON, IF YOU'VE GOTTEN WHAT YOU THINK YOU NEEDED FROM US. YEAH, I'M GOOD. IT SOUNDS LIKE MOST OF THE FOLKS HERE THAT THIS 20 MILLION, AT LEAST WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WOULD [00:55:01] NOT BE ONE OF THE PROJECTS WE WOULD THROW IN THE MIX TODAY FOR THAT SPECIFIC PROJECT. OR, OR EVEN MONEY LESS THAT LIKE, PUT NEW ROOF. I MEAN LIKE A MILLION DOLLARS, PUT A NEW ROOF ON. I MEAN, MY NOTES HERE, I SAID NO ON $20 MILLION, YOU KNOW, BUT I MEAN, I WOULD BE BEFORE FIXING WHAT WE GOT ROOF ON IT. I MEAN, IF THE LIGHTS ARE FIXING TO SHORT OUT CAUSE A PATIENT IT FIX 'EM. BUT YOU'RE SAYING THE PROJECT VECTOR IS GONNA DO THAT ANYWAY. WOULD WE JUST PUT AN EXTRA ON TOP OF THAT? WELL, YES AND NO. YES. WELL, OKAY. GO AHEAD. I WON'T ANSWER FOR YOU. GO AHEAD. HOW MUCH EXTRA THEN? I $20 MILLION? NO, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. WHAT IS THE EXTRA THAT Y'ALL WOULD WANT? LIKE, WELL, I MEAN THE SENIOR CENTER, DO YOU WANT, DO YOU WANT, UH, CONVERTED? SO THE BUILDING IS 50,000 SQUARE FEET. RIGHT? AND SO 50,000 SQUARE FEET IS PROBABLY EXTREMELY LARGE, UH, IN TODAY'S STANDARDS FOR A LIBRARY OR FOR ANY LIBRARY. IT'S, IT'S PRETTY LARGE. OUR LIBRARY. YEAH. OH MY GOSH. YEAH. IT'S 50,000 SQUARE FEET, I BELIEVE. IS THAT RIGHT? I WANNA SAY THERE'S ROUGHLY 50,000 SQUARE FEET. THERE'S A LOT OF NEW SPACE IN THERE THAT THEY CAN RENOVATE. THERE'S WHEN I THINK BAY'S LIKE THE HELL AND HALL LIBRARY RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD IN LAKE CITY, LIKE THAT'S A BIG TWO STORY LIBRARY. THAT'S BIG. BUT ANYWAYS, I DIGRESS. GO AHEAD. OKAY. THERE'S A LOT OF STAFF SUPPORT AREAS IN THAT LIBRARY THAT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T EVER GO INTO AND SEE BACK TO BOOK, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THERE. AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S ABOUT, THAT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT. YEAH. UM, AND SO LIKE, IF THAT'S TOO LARGE OF A SPACE, DO YOU WANT TO TURN THAT INTO OTHER COMMUNITY PROGRAMMING TO THE POINT? I, I THINK THAT YOU MENTIONED IF YOU GO TALK TO THE STAFF, THEY WANT MORE ROOM FOR PROGRAMMING, RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S WHERE YOU LOOK AT VECTOR AND IT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF DIFFERENT JOINT SPACES OF PROGRAMMING SPACE. SO PEOPLE CAN USE OR, UH, I THINK ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS, UH, GEARED AROUND LIKE, IS THAT TOWARDS WHERE ALL THE, UH, NON-PROFIT GROUPS CAN MEET, RIGHT? LIKE IT'S A SHARED SPACE THAT ALL ROTARY LINES CLUB, UH, BFW, WHATEVER, ALL THOSE GROUPS CAN GO MEET IN A SHARED SPACE FOR THE COMMUNITY. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS? RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THE REQUESTS THAT COME OVER HERE AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER NOW. AND HOW CAN YOU DIVVY THAT UP AND LOOK AT DIFFERENT AREAS TO OFFER OTHER PROGRAMMING PIECES? NOT JUST FOR THE LIBRARY, BUT FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, FOR OTHER SERVICE GROUPS IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY. BECAUSE THAT COMMUNITY CENTER RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IS HEAVILY USED FOR PROGRAMMING. AND IS IT ENOUGH FOR WHAT WE DO? OR DO WE NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER SPACE FOR IT? AND IS THE LIBRARY THAT PLACE? WE DON'T KNOW. WE WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SHOP FOR ANSWERS OR FEEDBACK, I GUESS RIGHT NOW I THINK IT'S HARD 'CAUSE THERE'S JUST A LOT OF UNKNOWNS. SO YEAH, HEARING, YOU'RE PROBABLY HEARING A LOT OF LIKE, LIKE WHAT COMES FIRST, CHICKEN OR THE EGG. AND I JUST, I, I DON'T KNOW. I I'LL TELL YOU. JUST TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE. IT'S OKAY. IT'S NOT TO HURT OUR FEELINGS. SO, SO I, I THINK, I THINK EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM SUPPORTS THE LIBRARY, RIGHT? RIGHT. CITY OF BAYTOWN, NO ONE'S AGAINST THE LIBRARY. EVERYONE'S PROBABLY FOR A MORE IMPROVED LIBRARY IN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN. RIGHT? WE ARE JUST NOT SURE HOW NO, NO. AND THAT'S INTO HERE. I'M TAKING ALL THIS AS POSITIVE. IF I OWN THE LIBRARY, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT FIVE TO $8 MILLION INTO IT, YOU KNOW, TAKE CARE OF THE ROOF, TAKE CARE OF THE PLUMBING, AND, AND MAYBE A LITTLE EXTERIOR, HAVE ROOM TO ADD A LITTLE EXTRA SPACE. AND I THINK THAT WOULD GET US FOR A GOOD WHILE. I THINK THAT'S WHERE OTHER ONE, SO THAT EVE MAY BE ABLE TO DO THAT. MAYBE NOT REPAIRS . OKAY. BUT ANY VECTOR ALREADY GONNA PAY FOR THAT OR CAN PAY FOR THAT? UM, IT, THERE'S MONEY SET ASIDE TO DO SOME UPGRADES FOR THE LIBRARY. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THOUSAND 2 MILLION, 3 MILLION? PROBABLY A MILLION OR TWO. OKAY. YEAH. HERE'S YOUR ANSWER. MORE. 7 MILLION TO REPAIR AND UPGRADE THE LIBRARY. MOTION. MOTION. WELL, WE'RE, SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, IT DON'T HAVE TO BE 20 MILLION, RIGHT? DO ZERO TO 20. UM, I'M PRETTY SURE. EXCUSE KEITH. YEAH. YEAH. AS I'VE HEARD THIS DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, THE THING ALWAYS COMES BACK TO ME IS WE'RE GONNA SPEND, YOU KNOW, NOT 75 MILLION, BUT $50 MILLION ON A NEW PROJECT. IT'S IN THIS VAGUE AREA THAT THIS CITY HAS ACQUIRED NUMEROUS TRACKS AROUND. WE HAVE SEVERAL PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT ARE ALSO ON THERE THAT THE, WELL, THE LIBRARY IS ONE AND THE COLLEGE BUILDINGS ANOTHER, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS I WOULD WANT THE, THE PLANNERS IN THE CITY MM-HMM . AND THE COUNCIL TO DETERMINE HOW THEY, WHAT THEIR NUMBER ONE OPTION IS FOR UTILIZATION PROPERTIES ALL INCLUSIVE. AND, AND THAT'LL BE DECIDED LATER ON. IT WILL. AND THEN AT THAT POINT, THEY WOULD HAVE A PRESENTATION TO THE COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT'S US OR NOT, IN, IN WHICH SAY WE'RE GOING TO TEAR THAT THING DOWN. THE VECTOR'S GONNA BE RIGHT THERE. AND THEN, AND THEN IT'S GONNA BE [01:00:01] A NEW LIBRARY WING ON THIS. I MEAN, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T FORESEE UNTIL Y'ALL GET THE REAL BEST, THAT GEOMETRIC PLAN OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE PROPERTIES. SO YEAH, WE WANT YOU TO TAKE CARE OF IT, BUT IN THE INTERIM, IF IT COMES OUT THAT THE BEST THING WITH THE ARCHITECTS AND THE ENGINEERS IS THIS, WELL THEN I THINK EVERYBODY'D BE OPEN TO LISTEN TO WHAT THAT WAS. JACKSON, LET ME, I MAY HAVE ASKED YOU THIS BEFORE. SO IF THIS DOES NOT GO ON THE BOND MM-HMM . IT COULD GO ON A BOND NEXT YEAR, BUT YEAR AFTER, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ISSUE AT HAND, RIGHT? UM, YOU AFTER YOU KNOW IT, VECTOR'S GONNA DO, RIGHT? YOU COULD COME BACK WITH A BOND FOR THE DEAL. FOR ME, THERE'S NO SCOPE HERE AND I, I'M NOT GIVING MONEY TO ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T, AND THAT'S WHY I'M FINE SAYING TAKE IT OFF. IT'S FINE. IT REALLY IS FINE. THE, I'M TAKING THE FEEDBACK AS GENUINE FEEDBACK, RIGHT? LIKE PART OF THIS IS TO GARNER FEEDBACK. AND SO SERGIO, TO YOUR POINT, THE UM, AND, AND TO WHAT Y'ALL JUST, SO WHAT EVERYBODY JUST SAID, THE ISSUE AT HAND IS IT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH THE SCOPE OF LIKE DESIGN AND WHERE ARE YOU GONNA GO? WHERE THE CITY HAS A STRATEGY ISSUE, OKAY? IS THAT IF WE GO OUT FOR A BOND RIGHT NOW, AND THEN WERE WE TO GO OUT THE VERY NEXT YEAR AND DO ANOTHER BOND, HOW IS THAT GOING TO LOOK WHEN YOU'RE LIKE, WELL, HOW COME YOU DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT HERE? RIGHT? AND SO THE THING IS, IS Y'ALL TALKED ABOUT IT, RIGHT? THAT I NEEDED Y'ALL TO TALK ABOUT IT SO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT NEW THAT JUST POPPED UP THE NEXT YEAR AS WELL. AND SO IT'S OKAY NOT APPROVING IT, I PROMISE. IT'S OKAY. WE NEED TO GET IT OUT THERE AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO GO ON THE BACK END, HAVE ANOTHER DEBT ISSUANCE GO TOWARDS IT IN THE FUTURE, IS BIG ENOUGH PROJECT TO HAVE ITS OWN YES. PROPOSITION TO BEGIN WITH. BUT I DON'T WANT IT TO BE A SHOCK TO ANYBODY THAT IT'S A DISCUSSION POINT AND IT JUST POPPED UP OUTTA NOWHERE, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE, WE, THE FEAR THAT WAS GARNERED WAS LIKE, YOU'RE TEARING DOWN THE LIBRARY. NO, WE'RE NOT TEARING DOWN THE LIBRARY AT ALL. OKAY. IT, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE, DOES THAT HELP? OKAY. SOUNDS LIKE THE CITY'S KIND OF LETTING US KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, HEY, THEY GOT WHAT THEY NEEDED FROM US, WE'RE OKAY TO KIND OF MOVE IT OFF THE TABLE. AND I, I, I FEEL LIKE JOSEPH DOES, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF IF, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THIS OTHER STUFF, WE COULD SUPPORT FIXING IT, BUT I, I THINK THE CITY'S GONNA COME UP WITH A MASTER PLAN FOR THAT WHOLE AREA AND LIBRARY INCLUDED. SO, ALRIGHT, WE WILL SLIDE THAT ONE OFF. OKAY. WE GOT FOUR PROJECTS. LET'S TALK ABOUT IN THE NEXT 20 MINUTES. UH, THEY ARE PARKS PROJECTS. SO IN THAT LAST GROUP WE, WE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK, THE JEAN AND LORETTA RUSSELL PART. UH, WE HAD, UH, A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T IN FAVOR OF THAT AFTER ALL THE DISCUSSION. WE HEARD ABOUT THE PUBLIC, PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP ON IT. WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE WAYNE GRAPE SPORTS COMPLEX. FIVE, $4 MILLION. UH, THAT WAS PRIMARILY, UH, ADDED PARKING AND TURF ON THE INFIELDS. AND TO TRY TO ELIMINATE 67% OF THE TOURNAMENTS THAT ARE CANCELED BECAUSE THE FIELD'S NOT PLAYABLE USABLE. UH, THE BENEFIT TO THE REST OF THAT WHOLE COMPLEX IS ONE ADDITIONAL PARKING. WERE THERE UPDATES TO THE OTHER FIELDS? UH, ALL THE FIELDS OR JUST THE, UH, JUST FIELDS. 5, 6, 7, 8. SO THE FIELDS 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR ARE SMALLER FIELDS THAT ARE USED BY, UH, GIRLS. SOFTBALL, 5, 6, 7, AND EIGHT ARE DESIGNED FOR ADULT SLOW PITCH SOFTBALL. THAT'S WHAT, UH, THE FIELDS THAT ARE CONSTANTLY GETTING RAINED OUT. THAT'S THE NORTH MAIN SIDE. THAT'S THE NORTH MAIN, YEAH. 57 17 NORTH MAIN. RIGHT. SO WE WENT THROUGH THIS ONE AND IN QUITE A BIT OF DETAIL, UH, A FEW MEETINGS AGO. AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S THE HIGHEST OF THE PARK PROJECTS THAT THE CITY RANKED. WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT GROUPING, UH, 5.4 MILLION TO HELP CONTINUE, UH, USE OF OUR FACILITIES WHEN THE WEATHER'S NOT GREAT AND NOT LOSE ALL THE TOURNAMENT MONEY AND PEOPLE COMING INTO THE CITY AND STAYING IN HOTELS AND RESTAURANTS AND SPENDING THEIR TAX DOLLARS HERE. THIS WOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A REVENUE COMPONENT. I KNOW THAT WE GOT A LOT OF THAT INFORMATION. WHERE, WHERE ARE WE? SO WHERE ARE WE ON THIS ONE? IS THERE REALLY, IS THE TOURNAMENT MONEY THAT REALLY BEING GENERATED REALLY ENOUGH TO MAKE A DENT IN THE BUDGET FOR ANYTHING? I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, THE TO YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE, THEY BASICALLY PAY A FEE AND THEN THEY GET ALL THE REST OF THE MONEY. BUT WELL, IT DEPENDS ON IF A THIRD PARTY RUNS THE TOURNAMENT OR NOT FOR THE FIELD. 5, 6, 7, 8 PARKS AND RECREATION. WE'LL EITHER RUN THE TOURNAMENT OR WE WILL SELECT THE TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR TO RUN THE MONEY. THE, TO ANSWER YOUR, YOUR FIRST QUESTION, I DON'T THINK IT IS REALLY, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE BRING IN FOR A RENTAL DOESN'T REALLY ADD UP THAT FAST. BUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF ALL THOSE TEAMS COMING HERE, WE HAD A A 30 TEAM TEAM, A 30 TEAM TOURNAMENT THE OTHER DAY THAT HAD SIX 60 HOTEL STAYS. AND THAT ONE TOURNAMENT, WE'VE GOT A TOURNAMENT SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER THAT'S GONNA BRING 200 TEAMS TO BAYTOWN. RIGHT. AND SO IF YOU DO THE MAT ALL THROUGHOUT THE HOTEL STAYS, THE RESTAURANTS, THE GAS PURCHASES, THE STORE PURCHASES, THE, [01:05:01] ALL THAT STUFF. ABSOLUTELY IT DOES. IF YOU'RE BASING THAT SOLELY ON YOUR RENTAL FEE. NO, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE WAY YOU SHOULD LOOK AT IT, HONESTLY. IS IT POSSIBLE TO KEEP THE NATURAL TURF? IS THERE A SPACE ON NATURAL TURF VERSUS SYNTHETIC AND JUST HELP THE FIELDS DRAIN BETTER? THAT'S WHAT I WAS, SO WE'VE DONE THAT. WE'VE DONE THAT A LOT. IT IS BASICALLY PUTTING A BANDAID ON IT. AND, AND HONESTLY, IF YOU TALK TO A LOT OF ATHLETES, THEY PREFER EITHER OR, RIGHT? THEY, THEY DON'T PARTICULARLY CARE. THE THE TURF IS TO ATTRACT THE, IF, IF YOU BUILD IT WRONG, IS HOTTER. IF YOU USE THE TIRE, WHICH WE'RE NOT USING, WE'RE USING A, UH, A DIFFERENT FIBER INFIELD INFIELD, UH, IS SIMILAR TO LIKE LA PORTE SCHOOL DISTRICT. WE'VE, WE'VE GOT THIS ONE, RIGHT? THIS IS THE FINISH OUT THE PROJECT. WE VISITED OTHER SITES. WE HAD OUR, UH, OUR FORMER ATHLETIC COORDINATOR WAS A G ONE SOFTBALL PLAYER WHO VISITED OTHER AREAS AND, AND, UH, OKAY, THE TURF WITH THE BOUNCE AND THE DIFFERENT PADDING, LIKE WE DID ALL OF THAT STUFF ALREADY. UM, AND SO, UH, IF YOU ASK A ATHLETE, SOME OF 'EM PREFER, PREFER TURF, SOME OF 'EM DON'T. IF YOU ASK A TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR, THEY PREFER, PREFER TURF BECAUSE THEY HAVE A MORE LIKELY OF BOOKING THEIR TOURNAMENT. SO IF YOU'RE ORGANIZING 200 TEAMS TO COME TO A FACILITY AND THE LIKELIHOOD OF YOUR TOURNAMENT TO HAPPEN IS SO MUCH GREATER, YOU'LL PICK THAT OVER A NATURAL TERM. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. OR DOES THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION? YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE GUARANTEED TO HAVE THE TOURNAMENT VERSUS NATURAL. YOU'RE, YOU BECOME WAY MORE ENTICING BECAUSE YOU ARE MUCH MORE, THE PICTURES THAT I ADDED ON THE, ON YOUR BOOKLET, YOU CAN SEE THE BRIGHT BLUE BEAUTIFUL DAY AND STANDING WATER THERE THAT WE HAD TO CANCEL THOSE TOURNAMENTS THAT DAY. YOU HAD THAT LAST WEEK. YEAH, SO SORRY. YEAH. I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN ON TEAMS WHERE IT DOES GET RAINED OUT AND TOURNAMENTS HERE, UM, ON WEDNESDAY NIGHTS. AND SO THE PROBLEM HERE IS THAT IT'S THE DRAINAGE, RIGHT? SO IS THE TURF THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU CAN FIX THE DRAINAGE ISSUE? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE ONLY WAY. IT IS THE BEST WAY. IT'S THE BEST WAY, RIGHT? WE'VE, WE'VE PUT, UH, WE'VE REDONE THOSE. I'VE BEEN HERE 15 YEARS. I STARTED AS THE ATHLETIC COORDINATOR ON THOSE FIELDS, RIGHT? WE HAVE RENOVATED THOSE FIELDS AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT TIMES TO ADDRESS THOSE VERY SAME ISSUES. THEY WORK FOR A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. AND THEN WITH, BECAUSE WITH AN INFIELD, THAT'S DIRT. YOU DRAG IT DAILY. WHEN YOU DRAG IT DAILY, YOU CAN, UH, THE DIRT CAN GO ONTO THE GRASS AND IT CREATES A LIP. THAT LIP CREATES A BOWL. THE BOWL HOLDS THE WATER. RIGHT? IF YOU HAVE A SYNTHETIC DIRT IN FIELD, YOU DON'T DRAG IT THAT SAME TRADITIONALLY WAY. AND SO IT, IT IS, IT IS FLATTER. YOU'RE GUARANTEED TO STAY FLAT. IT DOESN'T CREATE THAT BOWL THAT HOLDS THE WATER. OKAY? SO YES, YOU CAN FIX IT. IT'S, IT, IT'S A CHEAPER, BUT YOU HAVE TO DO IT WAY MORE. IT'S OVER THE LIFETIME OF A TURF. THE TURF IS A BETTER VALUE. WHAT'S THE EXPECTED, UH, LIFETIME FOR A TURF FIELD VERSUS SO IT DEPENDS ON THE MAINTENANCE ON IT. IT DEPENDS ON THE MAINTENANCE ON IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET 10 TO 15 YEARS OUT TURF NOW PRETTY EASILY. THE COST OF THE TURF IN THIS PARTICULAR SCOPE OF WORK IS HOW MUCH OF THE 5.4 MILLION, 8,000 OR SOMETHING THAT I, I, I DON'T KNOW. IT'S ABOUT THERE'S DETENTION WITH THE YEAH, THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT THAN JUST THE TURF. THERE'S DO, HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE IN THE GENERAL FUND? BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE TEAMS THAT ARE COMING PUT THE MONEY, THE MONEY GOES INTO GENERAL FUND. THERE IS NOBODY IN THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE WE'RE USING IT, MISUSING IT ON ALL THESE CONCEPTS THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE HAVING. THAT'S NOT OUR SCOPE. I, WE'LL PUT THAT IN THE FOOTNOTES. SO WHAT WE HAVE IS, UM, THE TURF IS ABOUT THREE-FOURTHS. THE COST OF THE TOTAL COST, THREE-FOURTHS. THE COST FOR THE TURF. TURF, THAT'S FOR THE DRAINAGE AND EVERYTHING FOR THE TURF. EVERYTHING. SO, SO GILBERT QUESTION, IF WE HAD TO REPLACE JUST THE TURF IN 15 YEARS, IT WOULDN'T BE THAT MUCH. YEAH. BECAUSE THE DRAINAGE WOULD ALREADY BE THERE. EXACTLY. AND, AND, AND THE REST OF IT IS ALL PARKING, YOU KNOW, CONCRETE PARKING EXPANSIONS THROUGHOUT THE COMPLEX ITSELF. NOT JUST NORTH MAIN SIDE, BUT I THINK ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PARK THERE WAS SOME EXPANDED PARKING AS WELL. SO, SO FOLKS, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE WHERE WE, WE LOOK AT OUR, OUR WAYNE GRADES. IT IS PROBABLY OUR PREMIER SPORTS COMPLEX IN TOWN, UH, ALONG WITH PIRATES BAY. IT'S A, IT IS A VERY, UH, UH, VERY IDENTIFI IDENTIFIABLE AND DESTINATION, UH, POINT TO BAYTOWN. AND SO $5.4 MILLION TO, TO KEEP US, UH, ON THE MAP AND TOURNAMENTS INTERESTED IN THIS, ALTHOUGH, YES, YES, YES. YOUR YES, YES. I'M PRETTY JESUS. GOOD TURN. ALRIGHT. GOOD DEAL. GOT PROGRESS HERE. OKAY. OKAY. UM, LET'S LOOK AT THE NEXT ONE ON OUR LIST. AND THIS IS THE BAYTOWN NATURE CENTER SPECIAL USE PARK. SO THIS IS THE ONE WE TALKED ABOUT AT [01:10:01] THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING THAT THE, THE DOLLAR VALUE WENT FROM 24 MILLION TO 14 MILLION. THE BULK OF THE 14 MILLION IS JUST SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE BAYTOWN NATURE CENTER. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S BOARDWALKS AND TRAILS AND, UM, LIGHTING OR I DON'T HAWK TOWER. UM, UH, OUTDOOR AMENITY, LIKE A ROPES COURSE. SOMETHING'S GOING LIKE THAT. UHHUH PLUS A SMALL AMPHITHEATER FOR, UM, SMALL PERFORMANCES. SO THERE'S QUITE A FEW DIFFERENT TYPES OF AMENITIES THAT GO INTO THIS ONE. AND, UH, PHASE TWO OF SOME GARDENS AT THE AERY SITE, PHASE TWO OF THE AERY AND GARDEN. 14 MILLION CHARGING TO GO TO THE NATURE CENTER. YES. WHERE'S THAT MONEY DEBT TO THAT GOES TO OPERATING THE NATURE CENTER. IT'S A, UM, A FUND THAT SELF PAYS FOR ITS SUBSTANCE. AND HOW MUCH DO WE MAKE A YEAR? MORE OR LESS? OH GOSH, I SHOULD KNOW THAT. UM, PROBABLY 125,000. IT'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT. UM, WE WANT IT TO GROW AND TO BE ABLE TO GROW IT. WE NEED TO HAVE AMENITIES THAT BRING IN DIFFERENT PROGRAMMING. SO WOULD THAT FEE END UP GOING UP THEN TOO, TO BE A MEMBER OR TO BE ABLE TO, WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED THAT. I, I'M NOT REAL SURE I CAN'T ANSWER THAT AT THIS POINT. BAYTOWN NATURE CENTER IS THE OTHER SIDE OF OUR ATHLETICS PARKS. YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE, UH, AGAIN, A DESTINATION FOR FOLKS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY COMING TO BAYTOWN, TO THE NATURE CENTER. UH, IF YOU DON'T GO THERE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THERE. BUT IT, IT IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT PART OF BAY TOWN'S DESTINATION ATTRACTION. THE FEE THAT'S IN THERE IS PRETTY REASONABLE. I MEAN, IT'S A GOOD DEAL. , YOU GOT KIDS THAT GO IN THERE AND I'M IN THERE A LOT WITH GRANDKIDS. I HAD EIGHT OF 'EM IN THERE THE OTHER DAY. 'CAUSE I DIDN'T TAKE THEM IN THERE AND LEAVE THEM FOR TWO HOURS AND WATCH 'EM. THEY JUST GO AND GO AND GO AND GO. SO THE, IT'S A GOOD DEAL. AND THAT PARK IS HEAVILY USED ALL YEAR ROUND. I MEAN, YOU GO OUT THERE AND IT'S 30 DEGREES AND THE WINDS BLOWING AND THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THAT PLAYGROUND IN THAT PARK, PARTICULARLY ON A WEEKEND. YEAH. AND, AND, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, Y'ALL SAID Y'ALL FIXING THE PIERS, RIGHT? YES, SIR. YES. OKAY. SO EVEN WITHOUT THE PIERS, THERE ARE PEOPLE FISHING. OH YEAH. I WAS THERE. I WALKED THE OTHER DAY. I WAS AMAZED AT, AT HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE IN THERE HOT AS IT WAS. SO IT'S A, THE, THE FEE IS NOT UNREASONABLE. I MEAN, I HAVE AN ANNUAL FEE. IT'S PRETTY CHEAP. AND THAT PARK IS JUST A VERY, VERY HEAVILY USED PARK. AND THERE'S A LOT OF THAT AREAS IN THAT PARK THAT DON'T GET USED VERY MUCH BECAUSE THE TRAILS NEED TO BE GROOMED. I MEAN, YOU JUST CAN'T GET BACK IN THERE. THEY NEED TO GET ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND GALLONS OF MOSQUITO SPRAY DONATED FROM EXXON, BUT IN, IN THE FALL. BUT IN THE FALL, IN THE SPRING, IT'S NICE BACK IN THERE IN THOSE AREAS. BUT THEY JUST, THEY, THEY HAVE TO BE GROOMED MORE AND, AND PEOPLE COME AND I EVEN SAW FIRST TIME I, I SAW BIRDERS IN THE OTHER DAY. SO IT IS A YES FOR ME ON THE IMPROVEMENTS WE'VE GONE FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS TO THAT FESTIVAL THAT Y'ALL PUT YOUR NATURE FESTIVAL. YEAH. AND IT'S, I I JUST WANNA, LIKE, IT'S AN AMAZING FESTIVAL. MY KIDS LOVE IT. UM, THEY'RE OUT THERE ONCE A MONTH AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, IT IS A BIG HIT. IT GOOD. IT'S GOOD TO HEAR. ALWAYS HAPPY TO HEAR PEOPLE ELSE. YEAH. AND, AND SOMETIMES WHEN YOU TALK TO PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT, IT'S BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T KNOW. YEAH. BUT IT'S A TREMENDOUS ASSET TO THE, TO THE CITY OF BAYTOWN. SO $14 MILLION, UH, AGAIN, IT'S BEEN REDUCED FROM WHAT WE HAD BEFORE. UM, AND AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VALUE TO THE CITY OF BAYTOWN AND THE CITIZENS AND ANYONE WHO COMES HERE, UH, HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT THIS? AND, AND THERE ARE EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS THEY DO IN THEIR PARTICULAR, THERE'S A SUMMER CAMP PROGRAM GOING ON RIGHT NOW. UH, AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE TO HAVE THE WETLAND CENTER OUT THERE BECAUSE OF THE RAIN GOING ON LAST WEEK. MM-HMM. IT WAS HARD TO HOLD SOME OF THE STUFF. OKAY. BUT THAT PROGRAM STAYS PRETTY FULL. I MEAN, OKAY. BETWEEN THE WELLING CENTER AND THIS AND WHAT'S OUT THERE NOW, WE ARE NO LONGER A REGIONAL PARK. WE'RE A INTERNATIONAL DESTINATION. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S, THAT'S MY POINT ABOUT IT BEING A DESTINATION. IT'S NOT JUST REGIONAL. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CALLED A SPECIAL USE PARK. AND, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD COME IN AND VISIT. ABSOLUTELY. GILBERT, ARE THEY GONNA PUT PARKS SEPARATE ON THE, ON THE BOND PROPOSITION? SO, SO THESE, THESE PARKS, UH, THESE GROUPS ARE PROBABLY CLOSE TO WHAT THE PROPOSITIONS WILL LOOK LIKE BECAUSE PARKS OR PARKS AND BUILDINGS OR BUILDINGS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL DO TO, TO GET THIS WRAPPED UP, NOT TODAY, BUT OUR, OUR NEXT MEETING WE SHOULD WRAP UP IS WE, WE WILL HAVE THE VALUES OF ALL THIS STUFF THAT WE'VE BEEN COLLECTING. AND THEN WE'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, WELL HOW MUCH OF EACH ONE OF THESE, OR DO, DO WE WANT TO ADD UP TO A CERTAIN NUMBER? BUT, BUT KEEPING IN MIND THAT, YOU KNOW, FOLKS, IF IF THERE'S PARK PROJECTS ON THERE THAT WE THINK ARE, ARE, ARE NEEDED AND IMPORTANT TO CITY OF BAYTOWN AND THEY'RE ON A PROPOSITION OF THEIR OWN, THE CITIZENS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY [01:15:01] TO AGREE OR DISAGREE. THEY'RE NOT AGREEING OR DISAGREEING WITH IT COMPARED TO A ROAD. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO REMEMBER IS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NEEDS OF THE OVERALL CITY. NOT JUST, NOT JUST WHAT PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY THINK IS A, IS A NEED, WHICH IS A ROAD OR, OR DRAINAGE. UM, WE, WE'VE HAD, THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD ALONG THE WAY HAVE EXPRESSED THAT PARSER NEEDS, THEY'RE NOT, ONCE THEY'RE, THEY'RE NEEDS, THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFIT TO HAVING PARKS IN TOWN FOR OUR CITIZENS AND, UH, YOUNG PEOPLE THAT GET OUT AND PEOPLE THAT WALK AND, AND, UH, AND IF YOU'VE HAD GRANDKIDS, MIKE, I, I TOOK MY GRANDKIDS WHEN THEY WERE A LITTLE OUT TO THE NATURE CENTER. IT WAS A GREAT PLACE TO TAKE THEM, RIDE BIKES, TRAILS, AND, AND, AND PLAY ON THE PLAYGROUNDS AND DO EVERYTHING OUT THERE. SO IT IT A GREAT, IT'S A CHEAP AFTERNOON. IT'S A TWO. SO HOW, HOW ARE WE ON THIS? UH, THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS GOOD PARK PROPOSALS ARE WHAT SELLS THE STREET PROPOSALS. YEAH. I, I THINK PARK, I THINK WE, WE HEARD THAT BEFORE, ALMOST ALL CITY BOND PROPOSITIONS. UH, OUR CITY BOND ELECTIONS HAVE A PARKS COMPONENT. AND I THINK THOSE ARE AMENITIES THAT PEOPLE, UH, PRIORITIZE. WE CAN LOOK AT CITIES ALL AROUND US AND, AND PARKS. OUR PARK, OUR LAST CITY BOND WAS, HAD SIGNIFICANT PARK MONEY IN IT. THAT WAS PIRATE BAY, ELSO COVE SPLASH PADS ALL OVER TOWN. I MEAN, IT WAS, IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE LAST $80 MILLION BOND THAT WE DID. SO, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VALUABLE TO THE CITIZENS, I BELIEVE. UM, HOW ARE WE LOOKING HERE ON THIS ONE? YEAH. ARE YOU STILL WAITING ON ME AGAIN? RELUCTANT? YES. OKAY. YES, YES. I'M RELUCTANT YES ON THAT ONE TOO, BUT I KEEP WANTING TO GO BACK TO THE GENE AND LORETTA RUSSELL PART. WE'RE GETTING THERE. HOLD ON. LET GET THIS ONE, UH, KNOCKED DOWN. I GOT A LITTLE, I GOT LITTLE, THE ACTUALITY, THE PEOPLE'S GONNA VOTE. I MEAN, IF WE PUT 'EM IN A SEPARATE THING, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE IN DIFFERENT PROPOSITIONS, SO THEY'RE EITHER GONNA VOTE YES OR NO TO PEOPLE. SO, I MEAN, OKAY. UH, WE'RE JOHN, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA SKIP THAT ONE, BUT I WANNA GET TO THE TWO WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT YET. UH, SO WE DON'T LEAVE THOSE OFF. UH, THE JENKINS PARK IMPROVEMENTS, UH, AGAIN, THAT'S $7.5 BILLION. UH, AND PARK, THOSE ARE THE LAST TWO PARK PROJECTS. THEY'RE BOTH, THEY'RE BOTH PRETTY SIGNIFICANT IN DOLLAR VALUE AND SCOPE WORK. SO THE, UH, THE JENKINS PARK IMPROVEMENTS, UM, THAT, THAT IS ONE OF OUR REGIONAL PARTS. OUR ONLY REGIONAL PARK, I THINK, UH, FOR, FOR ITS PURPOSE. AND, UH, 7.5, YOU'VE GOT THE SCOPES OF WORK IN YOUR PACKAGE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S BEEN A WHILE. ANYBODY NEEDS TO REFRESH? UM, I'M GONNA DISCUSS BOTH OF 'EM AT THE SAME TIME. OKAY. SO I THINK JENKINS IS A GREAT PARK, BUT I THINK OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THAT WE HAVE SPENT FAR TOO MUCH MONEY IN THAT ONE PARK AND NOT ENOUGH MONEY IN THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS THAT ARE GOING ON. EXACTLY. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF PARK COVERED, PLAYGROUND COVERED SLIDE, ALL KIND OF THINGS THAT WE DON'T SPIN OUT THERE GOING IN. UNAD IS A PRETTY HEAVY USED NEIGHBORHOOD PARK OVER THERE FOR THAT SIDE OF TOWN. SO FOR ME, THAT'S GONNA BE OKAY ON, GEE, I'M GONNA VOTE NO. OKAY. THE, THE UNAD PARK, IF WE, IF WE RECALL, HAD SOME UNIQUE COMPONENTS TO IT, RIGHT? MM-HMM . PARK GUYS HAD SOME UNIQUE COMPONENTS UNIT. I'VE HAD FOOTBALL FIELDS THAT WE DON'T HAVE AROUND THE CITY. UH, AND, AND THAT'S ALL, THAT'S THE EXPANDED PARK AREA. IT'S IN THE WOODS. IT'S PROBABLY PRIVATE PARK PROPERTY, BUT INTO THE WOODS THAT, THAT GETS CLEARED OUT. SO IT'S NOT, IS THIS CLEAR? IT'S THAT BIG OPEN AREA. SO IT'S BIG TO THE NORTH YEAH. NORTHEAST SIDE. YEAH. SO IT'S ALREADY CLEARED OUT THERE. SO, UH, THERE WERE A LOT OF COMPONENTS, UH, UNIQUE. UH, THE BI THE BIKE THING AND THE, THE SKATE PARK AND THE PUMP BIKE TRAIL. PUMP PUMP THING. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. SO WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT ONE IN A WHILE. IT IS A, THAT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT ENHANCEMENT TO, TO THAT SIDE OF BAYTOWN. I UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT, WHAT MIKE IS SAYING ABOUT JENKINS BECAUSE IT IS A REGIONAL AND HEAVILY USED FOR A LOT OF THINGS. AND, AND OBVIOUSLY THE UPDATES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED WOULD AGAIN, GREATLY IMPROVED JENKINS PART. BUT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE TWO, UM, HOW DO PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT, ABOUT THESE TWO? I WASN'T INTENDING TO PUT 'EM HEAD TO HEAD, BUT LET'S, WE'VE KIND OF BEEN TALKING ABOUT BOTH OF 'EM. I WOULD SAY, LIKE MIKE SAID ON THE, WE NEED TO GO TO ANOTHER PARK AND DO STUFF TO THE OTHER PARK. 'CAUSE EVERYBODY'S ALWAYS PUTTING A LOT OF STUFF INTO JENKINS AND NEEDS TO BE SPREAD OUT, NOT JUST ONE PARK. THERE WAS SOMEONE THAT MENTIONED, UM, THERE WAS LIKE AN EQUITY COMPONENT THAT, THAT THAT'S ONLY PARKED IN KIND OF THIS SIDE OF TOWN. AND SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO THINK ABOUT. UM, FOR THE BAYTON THAT LIVE ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN, THE UNIT A YES. YES. AND THE FOOTBALL FIELDS. BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING, I DON'T HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE AREN'T [01:20:01] ANY PLACES FOR THEM TO PRACTICE. RIGHT. AND THIS WOULD GIVE THEM PLACES I'VE BEEN JENKINS AND THEY PRACTICE ON THE THIS GOLF, RIGHT? YEAH. AND I THINK THAT WAS SIGNIFICANT COMPONENT OF THIS PARTICULAR PART AND THE UNIQUENESS OF IT. IT'S NOT DUPLICATING WHAT'S AT JENKINS, RIGHT? RIGHT. IT'S PROVIDING A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TYPE OF PART, WHICH MEANS WE ADD MORE TO THE VARIETY ACROSS THE CITY. IT'S, IT, I THINK NEIGHBORHOOD ACCESS IS IMPORTANT, BUT I THINK CITY ACCESS AND AVAILABILITY IS, IS, IS PART OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. ALSO, YOU HAVE TO DRAG ME KICKING AND SCREAMING TO GO INTO JENKINS PARK. AND MY WIFE HAS DONE THAT A COUPLE TIMES. THE FA BECAUSE IT, IT'S HARD TO GET INTO, FOR ME IT'S ALWAYS CROWDED. WE SPENT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WE'VE SPENT OUT THERE IN THE LAST SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS, BUT WE'VE DONE A TON OF IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT PARK. I JUST THINK WE NEED TO SPEND SOME MONEY IN SOME OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS. SO GONNA BE A NO FOR ME AND A YES ON YOU TODAY. HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT YOU TONIGHT? YES. WHAT? I DON'T HAVE A MARK FOR YOU GOING YET BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE SPREAD OUT. MIKE SAYING, HOW ARE WE LOOKING OVER HERE? YES, YES. I'M ON BOTH OF THOSE. YOU'RE KNOW, BOTH EXXON PUTTING ANY MONEY SOMEHOW. I'M JUST ASKING PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WHOLE COMPONENT, THEY, THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE AN EMPLOYEE CLUB THAT GOES AND USES STUFF. THEY GOT THEIR TIGER GYM AND THEY GOT SOME STUFF I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT. I DON'T KNOW. THEY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXXONMOBIL COMPONENT WAS EXCEPT THAT IT'S NEXT DOOR, BUT NO, NO MORE YESES. ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA MAKE THIS ONE A. OKAY. SO THEN THAT LEAVES US WITH JENKINS. UM, AS FAR AS ONE THAT WE'VE UP NOT UP OR DOWN. HOW WE, HOW WE, WHAT ARE WE THINKING ABOUT JENKINS? IT'S A NOTE FOR ME. CAN WE, 'CAUSE I SEE THERE'S TURF, UH, WHAT IS IT? UH, LIGHTING AND TURF AND PARKING AND ALL THIS STUFF. CAN WE PICK AND CHOOSE OR IS IT ALL OR NOTHING FOR THIS ONE? BECAUSE PARKING, AS SOMEONE SAID, PARKING IS A BIG THING, SO A LOT OF PEOPLE GO TO IT. YEAH, WE DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A, A BROKEN DOWN SCOPE AND, AND COST. SO IT'S ALL OR NOTHING. WELL, I MEAN, I'M SAYING IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE, IF WE WANT TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION AND CONSIDER A MILLION OR TWO OR WHATEVER OUT OF THE 7.5, IF WE'RE INTERESTED, WE CAN, WE CAN ASK FOR THAT INFORMATION. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT. SEE IF THEY WOULD, UH, HAVE AN AMENDED SCOPE THAT WE COULD CONSIDER. ANYBODY ELSE FEEL THAT YOU'D BE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT SOME TYPE OF DOLLAR FOR JENKINS THAT WOULD IMPROVE SOME PARKING? NO, PARKING AND LIGHTING WOULD BE A BIG ONE. SO WE GOT SOME INTEREST. OKAY. DID YOU WANT TO, IT JUST PARKING BROKEN NOW. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CAN, CAN WE, UH, PARKING BREEZE IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? WELL, THERE'S, YES, THERE'S PARKING KIND OF LANDMARK AND IT SAYS REROUTING THE ENTRY DRIVE. UH, I WOULD WANT, I WOULD WANT SEE WHAT THAT MEANS HONESTLY. SO THE, THE PROJECT HAD A REROUTING OF THE FRONT ENTRANCE AND ADDITIONAL PARKING, THE REROUTING OF THE FRONT ENTRANCE. THE REASON IT'S SO, UH, WEIRD AS MIKE, UH, ALLUDED TO IS BECAUSE, UH, THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH WASN'T THE PARK WHEN THE ROAD WAS PUT IN. AND SO IT WENT AROUND THE FORMER SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. AND SO WHEN THE, THE LOWER PORTION OF IT WAS ACQUIRED, THAT'S WHY THE LOWER PORTION IS SO OPEN RIGHT NOW. SO THE ING FIELD, YOU MEAN THE WHAT? THE ING FIELD? NO, NO, SOUTH OF THAT, LIKE WHERE THE DISC GOLF IS. AND SO, UM, THE REROUTE WOULD, I THINK IT WOULD, UH, BRING THE INTERSECTION A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SOUTH OR THE ENTRANCE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SOUTH AND HAVE A MUCH WIDER ROAD TO GET INTO AND THEN PUT A PARKING LOT IN THERE AS WELL. SO THAT'S HOW PARKING LOT. YEAH. SO CAN WE GET THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR THE REROUTED ENTRANCE AND PARKING EXPANSION? SO SEE WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE. PUT STAFF TO A BUNCH OF WORK PARTS, SELL BONDS BECAUSE THEY'RE PARK PROGRAMS. PARKING IN A PARK IS MY GUESS, WILL NOT SELL A BOND BECAUSE IT AIN'T SEXY ENOUGH. THERE'S NO AMENITY TO GO WITH IT. AND, AND SO EXCEPT IF YOU GET INTO IT, YOU MIGHT GO. YES, EXACTLY. AND IF YOU HAD A PLACE TO PARK, YOU MIGHT GO PARK SALE BECAUSE PARK ARE PARKED PROJECTS. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME STAFF HAVE TO SPEND. WE, WE HAVE SOME PRELIMINARY NUMBERS HERE. UM, SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ENTRY ROAD, UM, REROUTE SALES ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW AT 330,000 SURFACE PARKING IS ABOUT 370,000 [01:25:01] AND THE SOCCER LIGHTING IS 150,000. UM, SO SEVEN, $800,000 FOR THOSE THREE COMPONENTS. YEAH. THE, THE TWO BIG COSTS THAT, THAT BUILT UP TO THIS ESTIMATE FOR THE PROPOSED SOCCER PITCH, WHICH IS UNDER JUST UNDER 2 MILLION IN THE CLUBHOUSE, WHICH IS IN THE CLUBHOUSE. SO MINUS THE SOCCER COMPONENT IN THE CLUBHOUSE. WHAT ARE WE LEFT WITH? UM, SO THERE'S 7.5 IN THERE. IT'S RIGHT AROUND 2 MILLION. IF YOU ADD CONTINGENCIES, UM, ENGINEERING COSTS AND ALL THAT, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA END UP AROUND JUST UNDER THREE FOR THE ENTRANCE PARKING. WELL, THERE'S OTHER, THERE'S OTHER THINGS TOO. THERE'S, UH, CLEARING SITE WORK. THERE'S A ROUNDABOUT WITH THE ART INSTALLATION BASKETBALL. UH, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? A ROUNDABOUT? SO NO, YEAH, NO, NO, NO OTHER COMPONENTS OTHER THAN THE ENTRANCE. EXPANDED PARKING, LIGHTING ON THE SOCCER FIELDS OR? NO, JUST, JUST THE NO, I MEAN LIGHTING. SO THE LIGHTING IS FOR THE NEW SOCCER PITS. SO IT'S JUST NOT SO NO, NO NEW SOCCER FIELD. NO LIGHTING, RIGHT? NO SOCCER FIELD. NO. WHY WOULD THEY BE A ROUNDABOUT IN THE COMPONENT THEN? THE ROUNDABOUT WAS JUST A GOOD TRAFFIC CONTROL TO MANEUVER THROUGHOUT THE PARK. THE FIRST BREAK AS YOU COME INTO THE PARK WALK NEW ROAD WOULD BE A BREAK OFF OF THE PARKING, UH, THAT WOULD GO IN FRONT OF THE DOG PARK, UM, ON THE, WHAT WOULD BE THE WEST END OF THE DOG PARK. UH, THAT'S WHERE YOUR GRAVEL TRAIL GOES ALONG THAT WEST END. SO WE PUT PARKING RIGHT THERE, UH, BRINGING PARKING OVER TO THAT SIDE AND THE PLAN FOR THAT PART AND THE SIDE OF THE PARK AND FOR IT TO HANDLE THE EVENTS THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, PARKING, UH, IF WE ARE, WE ARE, UH, DOING THREE VENTS AT ONE TIME. UH, IT IS PARKING AS A NIGHTMARE. THE ROAD ACCESS IS A NIGHTMARE. SO THE ROAD IS ACTUALLY GOING ABOUT 250 FEET, UH, SOUTH OF WHERE IT IS NOW. AND THAT REALIGNMENT WILL GO, UM, THROUGH THE PARK AND JUST BE SOUTH OF THE ROAD WHERE IT IS NOW GETTING MUCH MORE ROOM AND VISIBILITY AND PUT A ROUNDABOUT IN THERE THAT WOULD JUST SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THERE. IF YOU EVER BEEN THROUGH A CASE LIKE TO TRY TO SPEEDWAY THROUGH, UH, THAT LITTLE TINY ROAD THAT WE HAVE NOW. SO IT'S A TRAFFIC CONTROL MEASURE WITH TRAFFIC ON, UH, WHICH IS, UH, USED THROUGHOUT THE CITY TO GET READY TO, FOR OUR MARKET STREET IMPROVEMENTS. SO WE THOUGHT, THOUGHT WE'D ADD THAT AS ALSO AS A FEATURE FOR TRAFFIC ON. SO, SO ENTRANCE AND, AND PARKING AND TRAFFIC CONTROL COMPONENTS WOULD, WOULD KIND OF ALL GO TOGETHER, RIGHT? WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T JUST MOVE THE ENTRANCE AND THEN NOT DO THE, THAT PART HE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT AND ADD PARKING FOR MORE, MORE VEHICLES. SO WE, WE INTERESTED IN GETTING A NUMBER FOR THAT AND, AND FOR CONSIDERATION. WE GOT SOME YESES ON THERE. I WOULD DO. SO IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN PULL THAT TOGETHER, THOSE SCOPES AND WE, YOU CAN GET WITH ME OFFLINE AND WE'LL CONFIRM THE SCOPE YEAH. AND, AND THE COST. AND WE'LL GET IT OUT TO EVERYBODY AND WE'LL WRAP THAT ONE UP AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE NEXT MEETING. UM, AND SO LET ME, LET ME, WE WE'RE GONNA COME BACK. JOHN, UH, MENTIONED THE, UH, GENERAL RED RUSSELL PARK. WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST WEEK AND OR TWO WEEKS AGO. AND THE, THE, I THINK THE, UH, INTEREST IN THAT WAS THE, THE COMPONENT OF THE COUNTY AND THE ESTATE OF THE FAMILY PITCHING IN SIGNIFICANTLY TO PROVIDE A CHAMPIONSHIP TYPE, MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL FIELD COMPLEX IN THAT PARK AREA. AND THE COUNTY WOULD PUT IN THE REST OF THE FIELDS AND, AND ROADS AND PARKING AND TRAILS, CITIES PARK BEFORE ALL THAT COULD HAPPEN WOULD BE ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR, FOR DRAINAGE AT ABOUT $5 MILLION. SO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST TIME, WE ONLY HAD ONE MIKE, I THINK AND ONE OTHER WHO, WHO KIND OF WEREN'T, WEREN'T IN FAVOR OF THAT. MAYBE IT WAS YOU. NO, BUT THERE WAS ONLY, THERE WAS ONLY, YOU WEREN'T IN FAVOR BECAUSE IT'S NOT, THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT WE'RE GONNA BUILD A PARK OUT THERE. FIRST OF ALL, WE DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW THE COUNTY'S GONNA OPERATE IT AND WE DON'T. THERE'S, ACCORDING TO JASON, THERE WAS SOME NEGOTIATION. THEY THINK THE CITY COULD PROBABLY OPERATE IT BETTER, WHICH I WOULD PROBABLY AGREE WITH. I I, I THINK THE CITY COULD PROBABLY PROBABLY TAKE OPERATIONS AWAY FROM THE COUNTY IF THEY WANTED, BECAUSE IT'S, YOU GOT THE COUNTY WOULD, YOU GOT A TWO LANE ROAD GOING IN TO GET TO THAT PARK WITH, WITH THE TRAFFIC GOING THERE. AND YOU'RE BASICALLY BUILDING A A, A BIG PARK OUT THERE THAT'S FOR 3000 HOMES OUT THERE THAT ARE NOT INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS OF BAYTOWN AND DON'T PAY ANY PROPERTY. SO MY DAUGHTER IS, BUT THEY DO PAY COUNTY TAX CITY. WELL, THEY, YOU LIKE, WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY TODAY WHO LIVE NORTH OF IT. 10 THEY DO. AND ALL THE OTHER PARTS ARE DON'T PAY EVERYBODY THAT DOESN'T EVEN LIVE HERE. SO THERE'S, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? BUT WE, WE ALSO HAVE THE FACT THAT THESE ARE REGIONAL PARKS MEANS THEY'RE BEYOND OUR CITY. YO LIMITS USES, UH, I THINK JENKINS PARK IS ONE OF THOSE. SO JOHN, WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO OH NO, I'M TOTALLY FOR THAT. I THINK THAT IF WE LEAVE OUT THAT IF WE GOT TWO GUYS HERE THAT ARE SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GOAL ON THIS AND HERE'S OUR PART, AND THE CITY IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S SAYING, SORRY, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING. WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE A BIG EMPTY PLOT OF LAND, RIGHT? [01:30:01] SO I I HAD IT FROM OUR LAST CONVERSATION THAT, THAT, AGAIN, WE ONLY HAD ONE OR TWO FOLKS WHO WERE NOT IN AGREEMENT. THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT WE'VE DONE TODAY, RIGHT? ONE OR TWO FOLKS WHO DIDN'T AGREE. SO THE WAY I COUNTED IT WAS, IT, IT IT IS A GO. YES. YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS HALF AND HALF, LIKE WE HAD ONE UP HERE THAT WAS ABOUT HALF AND HALF, THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT. BUT WHEN YOU GOT ONE OR TWO FOLKS WHO DON'T COMPLETELY AGREE WITH IT, WE, WE RESPECT THAT, WE VALUE THAT. UM, BUT, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S ENOUGH OF US LEFT TO, TO SAY THAT WE SHOULD PUT THAT ON THE LIST. SO IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT, UH, PART PROJECT, WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL OF 'EM, I'M GOING TO, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE PAST OUR TIME. SO I'M GOING TO, I'M GONNA ASSEMBLE ALL THIS AND, AND I'M GONNA SEND THIS BACK OUT TO YOU SOONER THAN YOU KNOW, NEXT MONDAY. AND, AND YEAH, MY NUMBERS ARE RIGHT. WE'VE AGREED ON 16 PROJECTS SO FAR. YEAH. SO, SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA PUT THIS IN, IN THE CATEGORIES LIKE I HAD, UH, AND, AND WE'RE GONNA IDENTIFY AS BEST I CAN REMEMBER, UH, AND IF I DON'T REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO TELL ME IF YOU DIDN'T AGREE WITH SOMETHING THAT WE PUT ON THERE. 'CAUSE I WANT TO KNOW WHO DIDN'T AGREE, NOT TO CALL YOU OUT, BUT JUST TO RECOGNIZE YOUR VOICE WHEN ALL THIS GOES TO CITY COUNCIL, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO HERE, HERE'S WHAT WE ALL AGREED ON. WE'RE GONNA GO, HERE'S WHAT WE ALL AGREED ON. HERE'S WHAT ALMOST ALL OF US AGREED ON. AND THE ONES THAT DIDN'T AGREE, THESE ARE THE PARTICULAR PROJECTS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY, THAT MATTERS. IT'S NOT JUST THAT WE HAD FOLKS DISAGREE. SO NEXT WEEK, WHAT I'M HOPING NEXT WEEK IS BY THE TIME WE WRAP UP AT SIX O'CLOCK, THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LIST OF PROJECTS WITH DOLLAR VALUES. AND, AND WHEN WE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE DOLLAR VALUES, WE MAY GO, HEY, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE IS BELOW THIS LINE AND MAYBE WE TWEAK A LITTLE BIT HERE AND THERE. AND I'M OVER THE NEXT WEEK, WE'RE GONNA BE VERY CLOSE TO SAYING, HERE'S OUR LIST, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA PACKAGE IT ALL UP WITH SOME OTHER INFORMATION, NOT JUST HERE'S OUR RANKINGS. SO QUESTION NEXT WEEK OF THE HOLIDAY WEEK, YOU TAKE CARE OF THE 4TH OF JULY WEEK. AT THE END OF THE WEEK. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IF I'M GONNA BE HERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA AFFECT ATTENDANCE FOR ANYBODY. AND IF, IF THERE'S A LOT, IF THERE'S A LOT PEOPLE'S NOT GONNA BE HERE THAT WEEK, TUESDAY, NEXT TUESDAY, WE DON'T WANNA BE DECIDING FINAL THINGS. LEMME TELL YOU SOMETHING. I MEAN, AGAIN, I I, WE DON'T HAVE THREE FOLKS HERE TONIGHT. I DON'T REMEMBER WHO THEY ARE, BUT, AND THEY, THEY COUNT, BUT I MEAN, WE OBVIOUSLY CAN'T HAVE THEM INVOLVED IN THE CONVERSATION IF THEY'RE NOT HERE. SO NEXT TUESDAY, HOW MANY FOLKS CANNOT BE HERE NEXT TUESDAY? OKAY, SO WE GOT ONE AND YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT IT. I'M, SHE'S GONNA HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY TO INPUT BEFORE NEXT TUESDAY. SO I'LL CAPTURE YOUR COMMENTS AND YOUR THOUGHTS. UH, THE OTHER THREE FOLKS THAT AREN'T HERE, THEY'LL GET THIS INFORMATION, I'LL REACH OUT TO THEM SPECIFICALLY AND, AND MAKE SURE THEY DON'T HAVE A BIG HEARTACHE OVER THIS. UM, AND AGAIN, THE GOAL IS NEXT TUESDAY TO TO, TO HAVE A LIST RANKED DOLLAR VALUES AND ALL THAT. UM, I'M LETTING Y'ALL KNOW THAT THIS THURSDAY, A COUPLE DAYS I'LL BE GOING TO CITY COUNCIL. I'M NOT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION. I'M GONNA TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT WE'VE DONE, WHERE WE STARTED, WHAT WE'VE DONE, AND WHERE WE ARE TODAY. NO RECOMMENDATION, NO LIST OF PROJECTS, NOTHING LIKE THAT. BUT WHAT I WANT THEM TO KNOW IS WE'VE HAD A LOT OF MEETINGS, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION, AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF GOOD CONVERSATION THAT I WANT THEM TO KNOW. THIS IS WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR. I DON'T THINK THEY'VE ALL GONE AND WATCHED THE, THE VIDEOS OF THE MEETINGS. THAT'S OKAY. BUT IT'S BASICALLY AN UPDATE ON, ON THE PROCESS AND THE PROGRESS WE'VE MADE. AND VERY SOON WE'LL BE COMING TO THEM WITH A, A, UH, RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR COMMITTEE. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR HONEST INPUT. UH, THANK YOU FOR, UH, AGREEING TO DISAGREE ON SOME THINGS AND, AND, UH, IT, IT, IT'S BEEN A GOOD, IT'S BEEN A GOOD PROCESS SO FAR. WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TUESDAY. THANKS THOUGH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.