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WE WILL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
THIS IS THE MEET AND CONFER SESSION BETWEEN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN AND THE BAYTOWN MUNICIPAL POLICE ASSOCIATION.
THIS IS THURSDAY, JUNE 5TH, 2025 AT 11:00 AM WE ARE IN THE BAYTOWN CONFERENCE ROOM.
UM, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CITIZEN COMMENTS.
[a. Consider confirming ground rules for the meet and confer sessions beginning on June 5, 2025, between the City of Baytown and the Baytown Municipal Police Association, Inc. ]
ITEM NUMBER TWO, BUSINESS ITEMS. THE FIRST TWO A IS CONSIDER AFFIRMING THE GROUND RULES FOR THE MEET AND CONFER SESSIONS, BEGINNING ON JUNE 5TH, 2025 BETWEEN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN AND THE BAYTOWN MUNICIPAL POLICE ASSOCIATION.COPIES OF THE, THE GROUND RULE.
I HAVE TWO SETS OF THEM, BUT WE NEED TO PASS AROUND MORE.
WE CAN, THESE ARE JUST FOR CONTEXT.
WE, WE MET LAST YEAR FOR THE YEAR THREE ERS.
THESE ARE THE SAME GROUND RULES LANGUAGE THAT WE USED FROM LAST YEAR.
YES, WE CHANGED THE DATES ON IT, BUT NOTHING ELSE IS MODIFIED IN THE, THE RULES THAT WE LOOKED AT LAST YEAR.
IS THIS ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS? I CAN JOKE AROUND OR NOT.
I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT OUR OWN MEETINGS FELL WELL.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, DON'T MIND WHERE WE MOVE THE COMMAS OR WE MOVE THE PERIODS.
THERE'S JUST THREE PERIOD STARTS WITH FOUR.
WE'RE GOOD STEWARDS WITH THAT.
WE, SORRY TO, AND I NEED TWO MORE.
EVERY TIME I COME TO BASE I EVER REMINDED HOW MUCH I DON'T MISS THE HUMIDITY AROUND HERE.
I DIDN'T MEAN, UH, KEVIN, YOU SEE ANYTHING? NO.
YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND SIGN BOTH COPIES AND WE'LL SIGN AND GIVE YOU YOUR
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COPY.YOU HAVE TO ON PD SIDE, WRITE YOUR NAME UNDER IT AS WELL AS YOUR SIGNATURE ABOVE IT.
PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME UNDER IT AND THEN YOU'LL SIGN ON THE LINE ABOVE IT.
YOU NEED ALL OF US? WE'LL, WE'LL PASS AROUND.
WE'RE ALL GONNA SIGN IT TOGETHER.
WE'LL BOTH HAVE A COPY WHEN WE LEAVE AND I KNOW EACH OTHER, BUT CHANGED ALL.
I THINK WE STILL HAVE IN THERE THAT WE NEED TO NAME THE TEAM MEMBERS ON EACH SIDE.
NAME THEM THROUGH THIS ONE HERE.
TEAM HAS NO MORE THAN FIVE MEMBERS THAT WILL BE PART OF THE TEAM.
ANY OTHER OR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? FOR THE RECORD, DO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND VERBALLY CAPTURE THAT OUT LOUD ON THE RECORDING? JUST SO WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE OF WHO'S SITTING AT THE TABLE THAT'S DEFINED.
SO FROM THE CITY SIDE, WE HAVE SCOTT LAMONT, WHO'S NOT PRESENT.
VANCE IS IN ALTERNATE SPOT FOR THAT WE HAVE THERESA MCKENZIE, CAROL FLINT, AND JOEY LOPEZ ON THAT.
AND WE HAVE JASON REYNOLDS AS WELL SITTING AT THE TABLE.
AND THEN, UH, FOR THIS WHAT, I'M SORRY.
WE SHOULD ADD JAY ON HERE TO SIGN THEN IF YOU'RE SETTING UP THE TABLE.
AND THEN FOR THE, UH, BAYTOWN SIDE, IT'S GONNA BE MYSELF, ADRIAN SOTO, UH, WILLIAM NELSON, AND, UH, BRETT RASH.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE, UH, KEVIN LAWRENCE WITH TPA WITH US.
WE RESERVE THE RIGHT FOR ALTERNATIVES TO BE ANNOUNCED PRIOR TO THE NEXT MEETING.
[b. Consider the Baytown Police Association's meet and confer proposals. ]
ALL RIGHT.WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO B, WHICH IS TO CONSIDER THE BAYTOWN POLICE ASSOCIATION'S.
I'M GONNA ADJUST MY CATARACT FOR PURPOSE
SO WHEN YOU TEAR UP, YOU READ ANYTHING INTO THERE.
UM, SO THESE ARE ALL Y'ALL'S PROPOSALS? YES.
UM, DO Y'ALL WANT TO WALK THROUGH THEM AND ANY COMMENTS? YEAH, WE CAN GO AHEAD.
SO THE, UH, ARTICLE ONE, INTENT AND PURPOSE.
I MEAN, BASICALLY JUST, UH, STATING THE INTENT OF THIS, UH, CONTRACT.
IF THERE IS NO CHANGE FROM THE PREVIOUS, YOU JUST LET 'EM KNOW.
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SO THE, THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THAT ONE.UH, ARTICLE TWO, UH, NO CHANGE TO THAT ONE AS WELL.
UH, THE ARTICLE THREE PREEMPTION PROVISION, UH, NO CHANGE TO THAT AS WELL.
ARTICLE FOUR, UH, REIMBURSEMENT OF ACADEMY TRAINING.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION, QUESTION REAL QUICK? UM, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, WHAT IS, UM, THE ACADEMY COST? SO WE HAVE IT JUST, UH, A GENERAL AMOUNT SO IT WON'T EXCEED TO $2,500.
UM, AND IT VARIES FROM ACADE ACADEMY, SO I THINK THAT'S WHY WE PUT THAT RANGE IN THERE.
JUST A NOTE THAT CHANGED RIGHT NOW.
ARTICLE FIVE, THE PROBATIONARY PERIOD.
THERE'S GONNA BE NO CHANGE TO THAT ONE AS WELL.
UM, THE ARTICLE SIX SIGNING INCENTIVE, UH, NO CHANGE TO THAT ONE.
ARTICLE SEVEN, ALTERNATIVE HIRING, UH, NO CHANGE.
UM, WE KIND OF WANTED TO DISCUSS SOME THINGS WITH Y'ALL ON THAT ONE.
UM, WE RAN INTO AN ISSUE WITH ONE OF OUR MEMBERS, UH, MOVING INTO THE CITY, BUT IT'S BEEN RIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS.
UM, MAYBE ADDING SOMETHING WITH THE E TAKE EJ OR UM, SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF Y'ALL WERE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, MY INITIAL STANCE AND WHAT I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST IS BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THEY, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE CLOSE, THEY ARE NOT PAYING CITY TAXES.
RIGHT? UM, SO I WOULD SAY I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE NECESSARILY MOVED OFF OF THAT STANCE.
I WOULD SAY NO, WE'LL KEEP IT TO THE CITY LIMITS.
SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE CLARIFY THE LANGUAGE THEN? BECAUSE THE QUESTION CAME UP BECAUSE OF THE LANGUAGE SAYS, OKAY, SHALL REIMBURSE THE COST OF MOVING HOUSEHOLD GOODS AND EFFECTS TO THE CITY OF BAYTOWN.
FURTHER CLASSIFY THE CITY OF BAYTOWN CITY LIMITS, RIGHT? WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
JUST TO GO BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, THE UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON DOWNTOWN IS $5,000.
I CAN'T IMAGINE THEY'RE THAT EXPENSIVE NOW.
UH, THE CLOSING COST REIMBURSEMENT FOR POLICE OFFICERS.
UH, THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THAT ONE EITHER.
ALL ARTICLE 10 DUES DEDUCTIONS, UH, NO CHANGE.
THIS IS WHERE WE START SOME CHANGES.
I THINK THE COPY AND THAT ONE IS, YEAH.
SO Y'ALL HAVE IT IN Y'ALL'S COPY.
BUT, UM, AS FAR AS THE, UH, BASE COMPENSATION JUST TO STAY WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN, UH, GOING WITH FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS, UH, THE THING THAT WAS, UH, AGREED UPON IN THE LAST FEW YEARS WAS THE, UH, STAYING WITHIN THE 65 PERCENTILE OF THE, UM, COMPARISON CITIES.
UM, SO WITH THE RECENT, UH, PAY RAISES AND ALL THAT'S GOING INTO THAT, UH, WE WERE REQUESTING A, UH, 7%, UH, PAY RAISE ACROSS THE BOARD.
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THE FIRST PAGE? NO, NOT ON THE SEARCH CERTIFICATE PAGE.THE, UH, HOLIDAY PREMIUM PAY, THERE WAS JUST GOING TO BE AN UPDATE ON THE VERBIAGE, UM, BECAUSE OF MISCOMMUNICATION OR MISREADING IT, UH, TO WHERE WE WERE BEING ASKED IF I WORK A NIGHT SHIFT, I WORK EARLY HOURS IN THE MORNING AND I WORK THAT SAME NIGHT SHIFT, DO I GET IT TWICE? WHATNOT.
AND WE JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THEY, YOU'RE ENTITLED TO ONE TIME THREE 50 FOR EACH HOLIDAY THAT'S APPROVED BY ALL THE CITY.
THAT WAY THERE'S NO MISCOMMUNICATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THIS IS THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE JUST, UH, IT'S ON THE UPDATED PART.
UH, EVERYTHING ELSE SEEMS, AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THE SHIFT INFERENTIAL AND THE, UH, SPECIAL TEAMS ASSIGNMENT PAGE, GONNA STAY THE SAME ARTICLE 12 OVERTIME.
UM, THE ONLY UPDATE THAT I HAVE FOR THIS ONE IS JUST, UH, JUST TAKING OUT THE, UH, PORTION OF THE ASSISTANT CHIEFS.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHEN WE WERE MOVING ON TO MAKE THEM EXEMPT FROM, UH, FROM OVERTIME.
AND IT'S JUST FROM THAT CONTRACT ON, THEY'RE, BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE EXEMPT FROM, UH, OVERTIME.
MOVING ON TO ARTICLE 13, WHICH IS THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS COMPLAINT PROCEDURE.
UH, NOTHING'S GOING TO CHANGE ON THAT ONE.
WHAT THIS ONE, YOU COPIED THIS FROM THE LAST, WHICH ONE? IT NEEDS TO NOW BE UPDATED TO REFLECT GUARDIAN.
SO, UM, 13, WE'LL BRING YOU BACK NEXT MEETING JUST SO WE CAN UPDATE THE LANGUAGE TO INCLUDE THE NEW PROGRAM THAT WE'RE USING MM-HMM
UM, BUT OTHERWISE IT'S NOT GONNA BE SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT.
I THINK IT WAS AMENDED JUST TO SAY SOFTWARE.
I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S IN NATURE IF WE GET THE APPROVED SOFTWARE SYSTEM.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING WHEN WE NEGOTIATED LAST YEAR, WE DID THE SALARY THING.
SO IF IT'S UPDATED THEN IN FRIDAY, WE JUST NEED TO PULL THE RIGHT ARTICLE.
I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION ON COMPENSATION.
IS THAT ONE TIME 7% OR IS THAT 7% EACH YEAR THROUGH THE, LIKE WHAT'S THE GUESS? THE PRE IS WE WE'RE PROPOSING A ONE YEAR CONTRACT, THE CITY.
THAT WAS THE SURPRISE AT THE END.
ALRIGHT, SO, UH, 13, I THINK LOUDER YOU'RE BEING RECORDED.
AND, UH, ARTICLE 14, THE TERMINAL LEAVE, UH, SICK TIME PAYOUT UPON RETIREMENT.
UH, AND WE'RE ARE ASKING FOR IT TO BE COLLAPSED INTO, UH, YEARS OF SERVICE, DEPENDING, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THIS INCENTIVE WAS FOR, TO KEEP PEOPLE HERE, COMMITMENT.
UM, AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, 30 YEARS AT 10 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A LONG TIME.
UM, SO WE WERE REQUESTING IF WE COULD BUMP THOSE YEARS DOWN AND KIND OF GOING A STEP INCREASE AS WE GO ON FROM
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20 TO 24 YEARS, 25 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR.UM, 25 TO 29 YEARS, OR 50 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR.
AND THEN AFTER 30 YEARS, WHICH IS A SUBSTANTIAL, UM, COMMITMENT, UH, 75 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR.
DID Y'ALL RUN ANY COST ANALYSIS ON THAT? UH, NO, WE HAVE NOT.
CAN YOU CLARIFY WITH, UH, WITH THEM IN REFERENCE TO ASSISTANT CHIEFS IN THIS PAYOUT? REMEMBER, WAS THERE ANY ISSUE THAT CAME BACK? WAIVER.
UH, MOVING ON TO ARTICLE 15, THE FITNESS PROGRAM.
SO WHEN WE IMPLEMENTED THIS, UM, THERE WAS TALK ABOUT HAVING, YOU KNOW, A NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCE IF YOU DIDN'T PASS, IF YOU WERE HIRED AFTER 2019.
UM, WITH THE OFFICER CRUNCH THAT WE ARE HAVING, AND WITH THE BATTLE THAT WE'RE HAVING TO KEEP THE RETENTION OF OFFICERS, UM, WE'VE UPDATED THE, THE LANGUAGE TO SAY THIS IS GONNA BE A VOLUNTARY THING TO STILL ENCOURAGE OUR OFFICERS TO BE HEALTHIER.
UM, AND WE'VE ALSO MADE THE, UH, THE INCENTIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE, WHICH IS, UH, GOING FROM A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THE 80% TO 1,250, AND THEN THE 90% TO 2,250, JUST RAISING IT BY $250 EACH.
UM, BUT THE BIGGEST THING IS THAT IT'LL BE VOLUNTARY ACROSS THE BOARD FOR ALL OFFICERS.
UH, 16 AGREEMENT CLAUSE, IT'S GONNA STAY THE SAME.
UM, THE SAVINGS CLAUSE, ARTICLE 17 IS GONNA STAY THE SAME.
AND THEN, UH, OF COURSE, THE DURATION OF THE AGREEMENT'S GONNA DEPEND ON WHAT WE AGREE ON AT THE END OF THE, UH, NEGOTIATION YEAR.
UH, IT COULD BE NEXT YEAR, BUT WE ARE REQUESTING A ONE YEAR, UM, AT THIS TIME, TIME OF THE AGREEMENT ALWAYS DEPENDS ON THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT.
UM, AND THEN ARTICLE 19, UM, WE CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND REMOVE THIS WHOLE ARTICLE BECAUSE THAT WAS WHEN WE WERE DOING THE TWO YEAR AND THEN REOPENING ON THE THIRD YEAR, UM, AS WE DID LAST YEAR.
UM, SO THIS IS, UH, NOT NEEDED.
IF WE'RE GOING FROM YEAR TO YEAR OR WHATEVER, WE, WE FIND THE TERMS. UM, HERE'S SOME, UH, I'M GONNA ASK THOUGH THAT WE PUT AN AFTER ON THAT BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING WE HAVEN'T SEEN YOUR 24 ER YET, WHICH I'M ASSUMING IT'S GONNA BE AVAILABLE FAIRLY SOON.
BUT ALSO UNDERSTAND THERE'S, UH, ISSUES, CONCERNS GOING OFF WITH THE CITY.
WE MIGHT WANNA MAKE USE OF THIS AT SOME POINT BY SAYING, OKAY, WHATEVER WE AGREE TO, WE WILL REOPEN IF AND WHEN CERTAIN FINANCIAL, YOU KNOW, GOALS ARE MET OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
YEAH, WE HAD A THAT CLAUSE IN YEARS AGO, BUT RIGHT.
IT WAS TIED TO SALES TAX REVENUES OR SOMETHING.
SO JUST I, I'M GUESSING WE PUT A PIN IN THAT WE MIGHT BE, MIGHT WANT TO COME BACK TO IT LATER ON.
AND, UH, ON THE NEXT ARTICLE HERE THAT WE ARE PRESENTING, IT'S GONNA BE THE SICK TIME CHRISTMAS BUYBACK, UM, WITH TIME BANKS AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON, UM, HOW WE'RE HAVING OVERAGES.
UH, WE THOUGHT IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA TO, UH, GIVE THE OFFICERS AN INCENTIVE OF BEING ABLE TO SELL BACK, UH, 80 HOURS OF, UH, THE TIME.
UH, WE ACTUALLY STARTED OFF WITH, WITH SICK TIME.
UM, BUT IN THE NEXT TWO PAGES YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S, UH, UH, THERE ARE VARIATIONS OF THIS ARTICLE, UH, TO INCLUDE, UH, THE OVERAGES THAT WE'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY WITH THE HOLIDAY TIME AND THE COMP COMP TIME TO BE PAID, PAID FOR.
UM, SO WE'RE OPEN TO SEEING WHAT Y'ALL ARE WILLING TO, UH, ENTERTAIN.
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AND PLUS IT'LL BE A NICE LITTLE BONUS CHECK FOR OFFICERS TO DO THEIR CHRISTMAS THING OFF MY HEAD, I WOULD SAY THAT'S $5,000 FOR OFFICER.WHAT DEPENDS, DO YOU TAKE THE 7% OR 8%
AND MOVING ON TO THE, UH, DAYCARE PILOT PROGRAM, UH, WE'VE ENTERTAINED THIS IN THE PAST WITH THE NEW PD.
IT WAS, UH, SUPPOSED TO INCLUDE A DAYCARE FACILITY OR IT'S EQUIPPED FOR A DAYCARE FACILITY.
SO, UH, WE ARE PRESENTING THAT, UH, THIS PILOT PROGRAM START OFF AGAIN WITH THE PD AND THEN HOPEFULLY IT CAN GO CITYWIDE, UM, TO ASSIST ALL EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY WITH DAYCARE DURING THE DAY.
UM, AS WE ALL KNOW, SOMETIMES CHILDCARE IS TOUGH.
SO IS, IS THIS JUST TO OFFER THIS SPACE AND FOR C FOR THE CITY TO SET UP THE CONTRACT, BUT THEN EMPLOYEES ARE PAYING THE FULL COST OF IT? OR IS THIS A SUB SUBSIDIZED OR IS THIS LIKE FULLY CITY FUNDED? FULLY CITY FUNDED.
HAVE Y'ALL, UNLESS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WANTS TO SUB
DID Y'ALL EVER DO ANY ANALYSIS ON LIKE, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT, THAT COULD HOLD FOR CODE AND STUFF LIKE THAT FOR CHILDREN? SO I, I THINK CHIEF HOLDEN DID.
I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS TO GIVE YOU, UM, BUT I CAN DEFINITELY GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT.
DON'T HAVE NUMBERS ON THE AMOUNT OF OFFICERS THAT WOULD USE IT.
SINCE, I MEAN, I THINK THE BIGGEST THING WAS, YOU KNOW, STARTING OFF WITH THE PD BUT THEN OPENING UP TO THE CITY AND THAT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY IN THE CITY WOULD USE IT.
RIGHT? IT WAS ALSO GONNA BE 24 HOURS, RIGHT? IT WAS LIKE A 24 7.
AND IT'S GONNA BE WITH OUR CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES WITHIN THE PD ALSO OR THE COMPLEX.
SO YEAH, WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD WANT USE THAT.
IT'D PROBABLY BE PRETTY EASY TO PULL THE STAFF AND ASK ON THAT.
MY CONCERN IS DO WE GET HOPES UP WAY TOO FAST? WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL OUT THERE.
AND, AND THEY'VE HAD THEIR DREAMS DASHED ONCE, SO
SO I THINK THAT WAS
SO MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ARTICLE.
IT'S GONNA BE THE FIELD TRAINING INSTRUCTOR INCENTIVE.
IT'S 'CAUSE I
I HOPE THAT WASN'T A FREUDIAN SLIP.
IT WAS, IT WAS AN INTENTIONAL INTENTION.
I MADE SO MANY COPIES OF THIS THING
SO AGAIN, THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT
YEAH, THERE, IT'S THE WATER BILL CREDIT.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING THAT THE, UH, CITY GRANT A HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH CREDIT TO THE, UH, MONTHLY WATER BILL OFFICERS THAT LIVE WITHIN THAT CITY LIMITS.
UM, KIND OF TO INCENTIVIZE OFFICERS TO MOVE TO THE CITY, UM, HELP THEM OUT.
AND ALSO, UH, JUST LIKE ANY OF OUR OTHER PROGRAMS, THE CITY, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF HOW MANY OFFICERS ACTUALLY LIVE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS? IT'S LESS THAN TWO DOZEN.
I HAVE, I HAVE NO SHAMING SAYING THAT.
AND NOW MOVING OVER TO THE, UH, FIELD TRAINING INSTRUCTOR INCENTIVE.
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TRAINING PROGRAM, IT CAN SOMETIMES BE STRESSFUL DEPENDING ON THE, UH, THE TRAINEE.UH, SO WE WERE SAYING, UH, MAKE A TIME BANK, AN FTI OR FIELD TRAINING INSTRUCTOR TIME BANK, UH, WHERE A FIELD TRAINING INSTRUCTOR GETS AN HOUR OF OFF TIME, UH, FOR EVERY FOUR HOURS OF FIELD TRAINING THAT THEY DO.
UH, THIS WILL COVER THE, UH, FIELD TRAINERS THAT, YOU KNOW, OH, BILL'S SICK, SO I HAVE TO TAKE OVER HIS TRAINEE FOR 12 HOURS.
THEN THIS INSTRUCTOR CAN GET THREE HOURS.
UM, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE BANKS THAT WOULD GO AWAY AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
IT'S LIKE A, JUST SOMETHING TO INCENTIVIZE 'EM AND JUST GIVE 'EM THE TIME OFF AFTER HAVING A STRESSFUL TIME WITH, UH, WITH THE TRAINING, WITH EVERYTHING THAT GOES INTO IT.
AND UH, THE NEXT ONE THAT WE HAVE IS GONNA BE OUR RETIREE HEALTH HEALTHCARE.
UM, WE ARE REQUESTING, UH, FOR IT TO BE OFFERED JUST LIKE IT WAS THE LAST TIME THAT WE OFFERED IT AT 25 YEARS, COVERED UNTIL YOU'RE 65.
UM, THE SAME GROUND RULES FOR, FOR THAT.
UM, BUT IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO ALSO ENTERTAIN THE, UH, THERE WAS A STEP PROGRAM BEFORE THEN, RIGHT? UM MM-HMM
UM, BUT THAT WE ARE PUTTING IN HERE, THE 25 YEAR OFFICERS HIRED PRIOR TO 2009 STILL HAVE THIS BUSINESS ONE'S HIRED AFTER.
EVERYBODY BEFORE 2003 IS OFFERED INSURANCE AT THE SAME RATE ONCE THEY RETIRE.
2004 TO 2010, WE HAD A TIERED STRUCTURE DEPENDING ON HOW MANY YEARS OF SERVICE.
AND AFTER 2010, NOBODY IS OFFERED INSURANCE BEYOND I, ON THIS RECORD WITH ANYBODY THAT JUST SERVES 25 YEARS WITHIN THE BYPASSING POLICY PURPOSE.
WHAT BE REQUEST? OKAY, I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE LAST ONE THAT WAS, UH, THE LAST POLICY THAT WAS PUT IN IT.
THE TIER IS THE ONE THAT IS IN POLICY NOW OR WELL, ALL THREE OF THOSE SCENARIOS ARE ACTUALLY IN POLICY TOGETHER.
SO IT SPECIFIES BEFORE 2003, 24 TO 2010 AND THEN AFTER 2010.
OKAY, SO THIS IS, SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS TO GO BACK TO PRE 2003.
BUT IF YOU, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT REINSTATING THE 24, 2004 2010 VERSION, WE'RE OPEN TO DISCUSSION.
THAT'S, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WITH, AND UH, THE NEXT ARTICLE WOULD BE THE, UH, VACATION ACCRUAL.
UM, IT TAKES WHAT, 17 YEARS TO, UH, GET ANY TYPE OF, UH, VACATION BUMPED UP FOR US.
SO WE WERE JUST, UH, PROPOSING THAT WE BUMP THOSE YEARS DOWN, UH, ZERO TO FIVE TO WE'LL GET THE 15 DAYS THAT ARE REQUIRED AND THEN, UH, SIX TO 10 YEARS MOVE IT UP TO THE 20 DAYS, 11 TO 15, 25 DAYS, AND THEN THE 20 PLUS YEARS, 30 DAYS.
IT'S JUST KIND OF COLLAPSING, UH, WHAT THE CITY HAS IN PLACE NOW HAVE DONE AN ANALYSIS OF HOW THAT IMPACTS OPERATIONS, LIKE INCREASED STACKING LEVELS, LIKE, UM, POSITIVE INCREASED STACKING LEVELS AS WELL.
IF WE CAP IT 25 DAYS, 30 DAYS, 30 IS NOT A BIG OH, OKAY.
SO I MUST HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT SOMETHING ELSE.
I, IT WAS LIKE ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING WHEN I WROTE THIS
SO YES, THE LAST LINE WE WILL TAKE OUT.
I YOU NEED EXTRA TIME AT ONE O'CLOCK.
UM, ARE PEOPLE ACTUALLY GOING TO TAKE OFF MORE TIME OR NOT? I TOP WILL TELL.
RIGHT? THIS ONE IS JUST LIKE, WHAT ARE THE UH, THE DOMINO EFFECTS WITH THIS, JUST FOR Y'ALLS
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SAKE, LIKE TRYING TO PLAN FOR THE SERGEANTS AND THE LIEUTENANTS TRYING TO PLAN SHIFTS.IT'D BE, COULD BE LIKE WHAT YOU'RE RUN INTO WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
NOT THAT YOU DON'T DESERVE TIME OFF, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.
INCORPORATE THE, UH, DECEMBER, UH RIGHT.
BUYBACK FOR WELL THAT'S, I ALREADY GET RID OF THE HOURS THAT, RIGHT.
THAT ALREADY WENT THROUGH MY MIND.
I WAS LIKE, WELL THIS IS A WAY TO GET MORE HOURS JUST TO BE BOUGHT BACK IN DECEMBER
AND I THINK THAT IS, UH, THE LAST ONE.
I'M SORRY, BILL DID THAT ONE TOO
SO, UH, WE DO HAVE THE, UH, HOLIDAY TIME ACCRUAL.
UM, AS WE KNOW THE CITY, UH, WORKS OFF THE EIGHT HOUR SHIFTS, UM, FOR ACCRUALS.
UM, IT'S JUST OUR OFFICERS, UM, WE, THEY COME OUT, THEY WORK THE 12 HOUR SHIFTS ON THE STREET.
SO WE WERE KIND OF REQUESTING IF, UH, THEY ACCRUE AT THE TIME THAT THEY ACTUALLY WORK, UM, KIND OF A DAY FOR DAY KIND OF THING.
UM, AND ALSO IF THEY DO HAPPEN TO TAKE OFF THE, THE HOLIDAY, THEY'RE GONNA BE BURNING 12 HOURS WHEN THE CITY ONLY GIVES 'EM, YOU KNOW, UH, EIGHT HOURS.
THAT WAS KIND OF THE, UH, THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THIS ONE.
SO NO MATTER IF YOU WORK A 12 HOUR SHIFT, 10 HOUR SHIFT, OR EIGHT HOUR SHIFT, WE ACCRUE AT EIGHT HOURS.
SO IF AN OFFICER DECIDES TO TAKE OFF, LET'S SAY ON 4TH OF JULY, UM, THAT OFFICER'S GONNA HAVE TO BURN THE EIGHT HOURS OF HOLIDAY TIME PLUS FOUR MORE MM-HMM
UM, WHICH IS MORE THAN WHAT THE CITY PROVIDES THEM FOR THAT HOLIDAY.
SO BASICALLY JUST ACCRUE IT AT THEIR RATE THAT THEY WERE ON.
OR HOW MANY SHIFTS DO Y'ALL WORK? 12 HOUR, 10 HOUR, EIGHT HOUR.
IS THERE OTHER SHIFTS? SO PATROL, UH, I HAD, I WROTE THIS IN, IN WITH PATROL IN MIND.
UH, PATROL ACTUALLY WORKS, UH, 12 HOUR SHIFTS.
UM, THAT'S ALL THEY WORK AND UH, THEY DON'T WORK THE EIGHT ANYMORE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
IT'S JUST ALL, WELL, IT'S, YEAH, FOR THEIR SHORT DAY THEY'LL WORK THE EIGHT HOURS.
UM, AND THEN DETECTIVES WILL WORK THE, THE 10 HOUR SHIFTS AND THEN, OR EIGHT HOUR SHIFTS.
ACTUALLY I DON'T KNOW ANY DETECTIVE THAT'S ON EIGHT HOUR SHIFTS ANYMORE.
THEN THERE'S THE CHIEF WHO WORKS LIKE A 19 HOUR SHIFT, SIX DAYS A WEEK.
WELL HE HAS ACCOUNT SO WE DON'T COVER HIM.
WE TRY TO CONVINCE HIM A LESS NEGOTIATING FOR HIM.
ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE CITY TEAM? OKAY.
ALL WE WILL TAKE THE CAUCUS AND UH, WE WALK THROUGH THESE.
IT'S IN THE HR OFFICE, RIGHT? SHOULD HAVE IT IN THERE.
SO THAT WE WILL, UM, CONVENE THIS MEETING.
SO WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF THE ARTICLES AGAIN, TA TA ON THOSE THAT WE CAN.
UM, I WAS GONNA ASK YOU, IS ANYBODY, UH, HAVE CLEAN COPIES OF THE ITEMS WE NEED TO TA ON? IS THERE ANOTHER CLEAN COPY? UM, SO WE CAN HAVE A, SO I ACTUALLY MADE MY OWN COPY FOR MY HERE.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE, UH, UPDATED ONE.
I DON'T THINK I'VE SCRIBBLED ON TO GET I SCRIBBLED ON THEM.
THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT THE ONES WE'RE GONNA TA ON.
SO ARTICLE NUMBER ONE, INTENT AND PURPOSE.
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WITH THAT.SO THINK THE LEAK, THE TA ON IT.
THE HEAD OF THE TABLE THAT, YEAH.
AND I GUESS WE CAN JUST MAKE A COPY WHEN WE'RE ALL DONE.
THE NEXT ONE IS ARTICLE TWO, AUTHORITY AND RECOGNITION.
ARTICLE THREE, WHICH IS PREEMPTION PROVISION.
THAT ARTICLE FOUR REIMBURSEMENT OF ACADEMY TRAINING ON THAT ONE.
ARTICLE FIVE PROBATIONARY PERIOD ON THAT ARTICLE SIX SIGNING INCENTIVE.
WE WILL ON THAT, UH, ARTICLE SEVEN, JUST OF NOTE, WE'RE NOT GONNA TA RIGHT NOW.
UH, WE WANT TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE WORK THAT WAS RECENTLY DONE, UH, ON THE PROCESS AND ALL AND MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN HERE, WE INCLUDE THAT LANGUAGE.
SO WE WILL BE HOLDING THAT ONE.
THIS WAS THE RELOCATION AND WE NEED TO ADD IN THE VERBIAGE, UM, AND CLARIFY IT'S WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, BUT YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IT'S STAYING THE SAME.
SO WE'LL BREAK THAT ONE BACK THOUGH.
UM, SO THIS ONE IS THE CLOSING COST ARTICLE.
10 DUES DEDUCTION ON THAT ARTICLE 11 IS COMPENSATION AND Y'ALL WILL BE SHOWING, WE GONNA HOLD THAT IN ACCURATE ADDRESS.
I I WAS GONNA HEAR A TA ON THAT.
I KNOW, I KNOW YOU WERE LIKE WE WERE ON A PRETTY GOOD ROLL THERE.
UM, ALL ARTICLE 12, UH, IS ANOTHER ONE THAT WE WILL BRING IN BACK ARTICLE 13 THAT WAS INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
UM, WE NEED TO PULL IN THE LAST ADOPTED LANGUAGE.
UH, ARTICLE 14, THE TERMINAL LEAVE, WE ARE GOING TO, UM, HOLD THAT ONE, UH, PENDING SOME OF THE OTHER ARTICLES.
UM, ALL PROPOSED AROUND LEAVE AND VARIOUS OTHER THINGS.
UM, THE FITNESS ARTICLE, WE DO NEED TO CLEAN UP, UP YOUR PROPOSAL TO GO, UH, VOLUNTARY OR AMENABLE TO THAT.
UM, AGAIN, IN, IN TERMS OF INCREASING, UM, THE INCENTIVE, WANT TO HOLD THAT AS WE REVISIT ALL THE OTHER ITEMS THAT COST ANYTHING BETTER AND WE, OH, I'M SORRY.
I WOULD SAY, BUT THAT THE IDEA TO GO VOLUNTARY IS FINE.
UM, AND WE'LL BRING BACK THE NUMBERS ON WHAT IT'S BEEN THE PAST COUPLE YEARS TO WHO'S GOTTEN PAID OUT OR NOT, IF THAT
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HELPS.ARTICLE 16 IS COMPLETE AGREEMENT CLAUSE.
ARTICLE 17 IS THE SAVINGS CLAUSE.
ARTICLE 18 AND 19, WHICH ARE THE DURATION AND THE REOPENER WILL HOLD POSE UNTIL THE, OF THE NEGOTIATION ONCE WE FIGURE OUT A LOT OF THE OTHER PIECES, THE COLLECTIVE OF THE BUYBACK PROPOSALS.
UM, WE'RE GONNA HOLD THOSE AND COME BACK TO THOSE AFTER WE HAVE SOME TIME TO CONSIDER TO SOME VARIOUS PIECES OF THAT.
THE DAYCARE PROPOSAL, UM, WE ARE NOT GONNA PURSUE THAT ANY FURTHER.
THE WATER BILL CREDIT, WE ARE ALSO NOT GOING TO PURSUE ANY FURTHER.
UM, SO ON THE, THE DAYCARE, UM, THAT ONE IS AN ADDITIONAL, OBVIOUSLY AN ADDITIONAL COST.
WE FEEL PRETTY STRONGLY IF WE STARTED TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION THAT WE WOULD WANT TO OFFER THAT CITYWIDE, WHICH THAT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT COST, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY AGILE NOW.
SOMETHING WE CANNOT GO INTO AT THIS POINT.
IT'S NOT THE RIGHT TIMING FOR THAT.
SO, UM, THAT WAS OUR THOUGHTS ON THAT WHILE WE'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD.
THAT ONE, THE WATER BILL CREDIT.
SO THIS ONE'S STILL, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE OF THE IDEA OF GIVING AWAY FREE WATER EFFECTIVELY, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE LEGALLY NOT ALLOWED TO DO.
UM, THE OTHER SIDE OF IT THEN ALSO IS THE TRACKING AND THE MANAGEMENT AND, AND THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE, UM, ARE NOT
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S FINE.
UM, THE PROPOSAL ON THE FIELD TRAINING INSTRUCTOR INCENTIVE, WE ARE GONNA HOLD ON THAT AND THERE'S SOME THINGS WE WANT TO LOOK INTO AND CONSIDER ON THAT ONE.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA BRING THAT BACK.
THE RETIREE HEALTHCARE, THAT IS ONE THAT WE ALSO WANT TO, UH, LOOK AT SOME ALTERNATE PROPOSALS IN CONJUNCTION WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S PRESENTED.
THE VACATION ACCRUAL, UH, AND THE CHANGES IN THOSE, THOSE LEVELS.
THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT WE WANT TO SPEND A LITTLE TIME AND VISIT.
AND AGAIN, HOW THAT MIGHT PLAY INTO SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WITH THE OTHER BUYBACK AND EVERYTHING ELSE, HOW THAT MIGHT PLAY OUT AND HOW IT MIGHT AFFECT IT.
SO WE'RE GONNA HOLD ON THAT ONE.
AND THEN, UH, THE LAST ITEM, THE HOLIDAY TIME ACCRUAL, UM, ALLOWING FOR THE UP TO 12 HOUR PAYOUT FOR THE HOLIDAYS.
UM, WE ARE IN KNOW WITH THAT WE FEEL STRONGLY THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL EMPLOYEES SHOULD, SHOULD BE AT THE SAME LEVEL.
SO SOME OF YOUR OFFICERS WORK EIGHT HOUR DAY IS SOME 10, SOME 12.
YOU'RE OFFERING A THEM DIFFERENT BENEFITS, EACH ONE OF THOSE.
UM, AND SO THAT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING INCREASE FULL TIME ON THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THIS AT THIS POINT? WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE MORE THAN HALFWAY THERE.
I WAS LIKE WE DID A LOT OF WORK.
[c. Consider confirming the time and date of the next meet and confer session.]
UM, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM TWO C, WHICH IS, YEAH.THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO CONSIDER CONFIRMING THE TIME AND DATE OF OUR NEXT MEET AND CONFER SESSION.
UM, WE DID A LOOK AT CALENDARS AND UH, THE MORNING OF JUNE THE 25TH IS AVAILABLE FOR OUR TEAM AND WE WERE GONNA SEE WHAT Y'ALL'S AVAILABILITY LOOKS LIKE.
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I'M KEEPING MY FINGERS CROSSED.I'M GONNA HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT MY CALENDAR IF THAT'S FINE.
UM, THEN WE WILL DO JUNE THE 25TH.
ISSA WAS THE ONE WHO LOOKED AT THE CALENDAR AND THEN WE SENT HER OUT.
MORNING I THINK BETWEEN EIGHT AND 12.
I THINK WE WERE ALL, ALL THE WAY TILL 12.
ALRIGHTY WITH, UH, ALL BUSINESS CONCLUDED.
WE WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT 1257.