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WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED.[1. CALL TO ORDER]
AND, AND LEMME TELL YOU, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF TIME ON THIS, BUT THERE'S A COUPLE OF PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE NOT AS A GROUP LOOKED AT.A FEW MINUTES, FIVE, 10 MINUTES, AND WE'RE GONNA, THEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON.
UH, BUT, UH, ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE DIDN'T
[a. Discussion and possible action regarding the review and prioritization of potential General Obligation-funded bond projects.]
TALK ABOUT AS A WHOLE GROUP WAS THE JENKINS PARK DE BOOST CREEK TRAIL CONNECTOR PLAN, LITTLE HANDOUT I GAVE YOU, BUT IT'S ALSO IN THE BIG BINDER BOOK.AND THIS IS THE, UH, $451,000, NOT A BIG DOLLAR ITEM THAT HAS BIG POTENTIAL IMPACT.
SO THIS IS, UH, PLANNING THAT THE PLANNING ONLY PHASE FOR A RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION AND ADDRESS THE SAFETY AND ENGINEERING CHALLENGES TO, TO GET FROM ONE SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS TO THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH IS JENKINS PARK.
SO EVERYBODY'S GOT THIS THING IN FRONT OF YOU.
SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT WE JUST PUT OUR EYES ON IT.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF PAGES OF DETAILS.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, THE SAFETY ISSUE WITH, WITH FOLKS WALKING AND BIKING AND TRYING TO CROSS.
UM, IT'S CALLED, UH, CROSBY LYNCHBURG AT THAT POINT, UH, CROSBY, CEDAR MILE AT THAT POINT, AND A RAILROAD TRACKS AND A TWO-LANE ASPHALT ROAD.
AND NO WAY TO GET FROM THE TRAILS THAT GO ALL THE WAY ALL OVER BAYTOWN ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE TRAIN TRACKS TO THE TRAILS ON THE EAST SIDE.
SO THIS WOULD BE A PROPOSED, UH, BUDGET TO DO SOME PLANNING AND RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITIONS FOR A FUTURE ELEVATED CROSSOVER THAT GOES OVER THE ROADS AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
SO WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THIS.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ONE? UH, NEED ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION? UH, THE, THE POINT HERE IS IF WE GET THIS, THIS PLANNING DONE AND SOME RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITIONS, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROPOSED PATH FORWARD AFTER THAT FOR THIS, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? IS THERE A, A NEXT PHASE AND A TIMING ON THAT? UM, SO GO AHEAD.
WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY THIS IS ONLY, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S ONLY TO DEVELOP A PLAN IN WHICH TO CONNECTED TO POINTS.
THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANY FUNDING FOR, UM, DESTRUCTION DOLLARS WHATSOEVER.
IT COULD BE USED THOUGH ONE, LIKE THE PLAN COULD BE USED TO SOLICIT FUNDING OR TO LOOK FOR GRANTS OR A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES AT THAT POINT.
UH, THE PROBLEM WITH THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PROJECT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IT WITH PEOPLE IS THAT IT'S, IT IS SUCH A SHORT DISTANCE THAT EVERYBODY SEEMS TO OVERLOOK IT, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE.
BUT IT, IT TAKES A LOT OF ENGINEERING, PER SE, TO GET FROM, UH, ONE POINT TO THE OTHER BECAUSE OF THE RAILROAD TRACK, BECAUSE THE, THE RAILROAD TRACKS AT 45 DEGREES, UH, IT CROSSES THE ROAD AT 45 DEGREES AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM, UH, TO DO AN ACT GRADE CROSSING.
SO WE HAVE TO DO AN AERIAL CROSSING.
AND SO THAT'S THE REASON THAT IT'S SO COMPLICATED.
AND THIS IS JUST TO, TO DEVELOP A PLAN AND A POSSIBLE PROPERTY ACQUISITION TO, TO DEVELOP THAT OVER THERE.
AND WE PUT SOME CONCEPTUAL IMAGES ON THE, ON THE PAGE THERE JUST TO KIND OF OF LET YOU SEE THAT IT IS MORE THAN, IT'S MORE THAN A A, A SIMPLE CROSSING, RIGHT? LIKE THAT'S THE REASON IT COSTS SO MUCH.
HOW MUCH DO, GENERALLY SPEAKING, HOW MUCH DO PEDESTRIAN OVERPASSES OVER RAILROAD CROSSINGS GENERALLY COST? I WOULD SAY IT'S $700,000.
HUNDRED A MILLION? I WOULD, I WOULD THINK.
YEAH, WE, WE COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE SAFETY COMPONENT FOR THIS.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THOUGH, THIS, THIS IS THE PLANNING RIGHT OF WAY, POTENTIAL RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION.
THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEAR KIND OF CYCLE.
WOULD IT BE FIVE YEARS BEFORE SOMETHING WOULD BE PUT TOGETHER TO ACTUALLY MAKE IT HAPPEN? OR COULD THIS, COULD THIS HELP GET SOMETHING GOING AND FIND SOME OTHER FUNDS? GRANT, I THINK IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON GRANT.
ONCE YOU GET THE GRANT, THEN YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD.
EVERYBODY, IS EVERYBODY CLEAR ON THIS? SO FORTH, WHAT, 450 1004 AND, AND SOMETHING ELSE JUST TO ADD, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S USEFUL ON THAT.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO THE RAILROAD COMPANY FOR YEARS IN ORDER TO GET PERMISSION TO GO ABOVE GREEN TO CROSS IT.
AND SO I KNOW IT SOUNDS SO SIMPLE TO JUST PUT A CROSSING THERE, BUT IT TAKES YEARS SOMETIMES TO GET TO THESE POINTS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA THAT WANT THIS AND, AND WE'VE BEEN GETTING WORK DONE TO THIS POINT, BUT NOW WE HAVE TO GET THE PLAN IN ORDER TO DESIGN AND, AND GET IT TO GO UP AND OVER.
NOW THAT WE HAVE PERMISSION TO DO SOMETHING.
SO, SO PERMISSION, WE'VE ALREADY GOT PERMISSION FROM THE RAILROAD TO GO UP.
ALRIGHT, EVERYBODY KIND OF FILED THAT AWAY.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT PROJECT? SO ONE OTHER PROJECT WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT SPECIFICALLY WAS A SAINT, SAINT ROUTES TO PARKS OVERVIEW.
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THIS WAS A ONE PAGER IN YOUR, IN YOUR PACKAGE, AND I THINK IT WAS $5.6 MILLION AND THERE WAS NO SUPPORT.THERE WAS A MAP SHOWING WHICH PARKS WE LOOKING TO HAVE ACCESSIBILITY TO.
UH, THE QUESTION IS, DO WE, DID ANYBODY NEED MORE DETAIL? LIKE IS IT, IS IT NEW SIDEWALKS REPAIRING OLD ONES? IS IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT INCLUDE? I THINK THE MAN THAT CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION JUST STOOD OUT, RIGHT? YES.
SO THE STATE, UH, ROBERT PARKS PLAN INCLUDES, UH, VARIOUS ITEMS WERE LOOKED AT AND ASSESSED.
THEY LOOKED AT EVERYTHING FROM, UH, SIDEWALKS ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD VERSUS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
THEY LOOKED AT DAMAGED SIDEWALKS, THEY LOOKED AT, UH, CONNECTIVITY, LACK OF CONNECTIVITY, UH, BETWEEN, UH, SCHOOLS AND PARKS, AND EVEN LACK OF CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN SIDEWALK AND SIDEWALKS.
SO YOU MAY HAVE GAPS THAT NEED TO BE FILLED IN THERE.
UH, THEY LOOKED AT A DA COMPLIANCE.
THEY LOOKED AT, UH, CROSSWALKS CROSSING, UH, CROSSING, UM, SIGNALS THAT NEEDED FOR, UH, PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SAFELY CROSS THE STREETS ONCE WE GET TO CERTAIN CONNECTION POINTS.
SO IT IS VERY, UH, THINGS THAT WERE LOOKED AT AND ASSESSED ON THE PLAN.
UM, AND MOST OF THE AREAS WERE TARGETED WERE IN AREAS OF, UH, OF, UH, COMMUNITIES WITH GREATER NEEDS, UH, WITHIN THE, UH, UH, BAYTOWN, UH, AREA.
THE REASON WHY YOU SEE, UH, JENKINS AND, UH, ROSELAND ON THERE IS BECAUSE THOSE ARE REGIONAL AND COMMUNITY PARKS.
SO IF PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING, UH, THROUGH OUR NETWORK, THEY STILL NEED, WANT TO GET TO THOSE LARGER PARKS.
SO THAT PLANE LOOKED AT HOW DO YOU GET THERE, UH, WHICH IS ALSO IN CONNECTION WITH OUR PLAN TO, UH, DO THAT CROSSING FOR THE RAILROAD.
SO THIS LITTLE, THIS LITTLE HANDOUT YOU WERE GIVEN HAS SOME A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILS, FOR INSTANCE.
SO IN THAT, IT, IT WAS SHOW YOU ALL THE SIDEWALKS, UH, THAT WERE ASSESSED, UH, WHAT THEIR NEEDS WERE WITHIN THAT PLAN AND SHOWED YOU, UH, WERE THE GAPS FROM EVERYTHING FROM LIGHTING TO CROSSINGS AND TO CONNECTIVITY.
AND FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE VERRON AREA, WE HAVE A LOT OF SIDEWALKS.
WE HAVE SOME IN POOR CONDITION, WE HAVE SOME MISSING GAPS IN THERE, AND SOME REPAIRS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR THOSE, UH, SIDEWALKS.
ELLI PARK, UH, HAS A GREATER NEED OF, OF, OF, OF MORE GAPS IN, UM, DISCONNECTION.
AND THEN THERE'S A GREATER NEED FOR REPAIR AND A GREATER NEED FOR OUR CROSSINGS, UM, CROSSWALK CROSSINGS AND, UH, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO WE TOOK THOSE THINGS, UH, INTO OUR PLAN THAT WE HAD THAT WAS MORE HIGH LEVEL IN OUR MASTER PLAN TO A MORE DETAILED SCOPE, UH, FOR THIS, UH, SIDEWALL PLAN THAT WE WORKED WITH, WITH HARRIS COUNTY TO PRODUCE THAT.
SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPORTING INFORMATION FOR THE ONE PAGER WE HAD IN OUR BOOK FOR $5.647 MILLION.
SO WE JUST GOT A GOOD EXPLANATION THAT ON WHAT WAS LOOKED AT, HOW IT WAS ASSESSED AND THE MANY COMPONENTS IN THE DIFFERENT AREAS.
SO I'M, I'M ASSUMING THEY'VE GOT A VERY GOOD ESTIMATE PER PARK AREA.
THEY JUST TOTALED UP ALL THIS FOR THE, FOR THE PARKS LISTED IN, UH, IN OUR SCOPE OF WORK.
AND IT WAS, UH, BERGERON, KELLY, ROSALYN, JENKINS,
SO THIS, THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE PACKAGES FOR THE PARTS THAT ARE IN THE SCOPE OF WORK WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO ALL THIS SUPPORTS THAT ONE ITEM.
WE HAVE $5.2 MILLION, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MONEY'S FOR.
FACE VALUE, A LOT OF MONEY, NOT A LOT OF DETAIL.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, WELL GOOD.
NOW WE'RE, NOW WE'RE CAUGHT UP ON LOOKING AT EVERY PROJECT.
I THINK AFTER LAST MEETING THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION THAT WE NEEDED ON THE WETLAND CENTER PROJECT.
UM, AND I'VE GOT SOME LATE INFORMATION TODAY, UM, ON THAT SCOPE OF WORK.
SO YES, ALSO, REMEMBER YOU WERE GONNA GET BACK WITH US, THE CITY WITH THE FIGURES ON WEST STERLING AND WEST
REMEMBER YOU WERE GONNA GET, YOU ASKED ABOUT THE FIGURES ON THAT.
WE GOT, WE UH, WE DID DISCUSS THAT LAST, LAST MEETING.
BUT, BUT A, A CLARIFICATION, YEAH, A CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
THOSE TWO PROJECTS, AND YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T POINTED OUT, BUT THE FIRST CHANGE ON STERLING WAS IT WAS THE WRONG STERLING FOR LENGTH OF STREET.
AND THAT WOULD THAT PUT A DOLLAR VALUE THAT WAS A LOT LESS THAN WHAT IT NEEDED TO BE.
THE CORRECTION TO THAT MADE THE, THE, THE ENTIRE STREET AND THE DOLLAR VALUE WENT WAY UP BECAUSE THE STREET WAS MUCH LONGER.
IT WAS THE CORRECT STERLING, UH, THAT THE SCOPE OF WORK WAS SUPPOSED TO TAKE CARE OF.
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BETWEEN STERLING AND BEEFY, AND MAYBE THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IS THAT YOU KNOW WHY THE TWO ARE DIFFERENT IS WHAT I NOTICED AND IT WAS THERE LAST WEEK AS WELL.I DON'T KNOW WHY NO ONE POINTED IT OUT.
DFE HAS A SECTION OF THE ROAD THAT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED BY ANOTHER CONTRACT, SO IT'S NOT IN THIS SCOPE OF WORK.
AND IT WAS THERE LAST WEEK AND I DIDN'T NOTICE THE YELLOW BOX AROUND THE, THE STREET WITH THE NOTE AND NO ONE POINTED IT OUT, BUT I SAW THAT THIS TIME.
AND SO I WENT BACK AND LOOKED TO COMPARE AND SAY, WAS THAT THERE LAST TIME? YEAH, IT WAS THERE LAST TIME WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT.
SO STERLING COSTS MORE BECAUSE IT GOT LONGER AND IT COSTS MORE BECAUSE DFE HAS A SECTION OF THAT STREET NOT INCLUDED IN THIS BOND PROJECT AND THAT'S WHY DFE IS LESS EXPENSIVE BY TWO THREE, WHATEVER THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS DIFFERENCE IS THEN STERLING, STERLING WENT UP SIGNIFICANTLY FROM THE ORIGINAL DOLLAR VALUE WE HAD AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS.
LIKE MORE THAN DOUBLED BECAUSE THEY GOT THE LENGTH OF THE PROPER STREET.
WE CORRECTED THE ACTUAL YEAH, 2.8 A DIFFERENCE, THE REVISED, UH, SO YOUR REVISED PACKAGE SHOULD HAVE, YEAH, SO IF YOU LOOK, I THINK LAST WEEK WE SENT THOSE OUT.
YEAH, IT WAS CORRECT LAST WEEK.
WE JUST DIDN'T RECONCILE THAT WITH EACH OTHER.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR PACKAGE, THE, THE DV STREET'S GOT A YELLOW BOX ON IT.
IT WAS THERE LAST WEEK, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT.
AND IT SAYS SECTIONS BEING CONSTRUCTED UNDER A SEPARATE CONTRACT.
SO THE PRICE WEST TEXAS AVENUE DRAIN.
SO EVEN THOUGH D FEE IS ABOUT THE SAME LENGTH AS STERLING, IT'S LESS MONEY BECAUSE THAT MUCH OF IT IS NOT IN THIS SCOPE OF WORK.
SO THEY'RE KIND OF, NOW THEY'RE KIND OF MATCHING UP, RIGHT? IT TOOK US A FEW TIMES TO GET THAT TO THAT POINT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
YOU SEE, YOU SEE WHERE THAT MARK, YEAH, ACTUALLY I WAS GONNA TELL YOU LAST WEEK THAT YOU KNOW WHY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PARK? I SAID I'LL JUST WAIT.
YEAH, THAT, THAT IT WAS THERE LAST WEEK.
WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THESE STREETS LAST WEEK, SO WE JUST, ANYWAY, ARE WE CAUGHT UP ON THAT ONE? SO MORGAN, ANYTHING ELSE? UH, LAST, NO.
WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
UH, I THINK WE TRIED TO PUT SOME RATIONALE TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE DOLLAR VALUE AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A VERY HIGH DOLLAR PER SQUARE FOOT WHEN YOU LOOK AT CONSTRUCTION.
AND, AND I THINK TRACY MIGHT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON THAT, THE DOLLAR VALUE WITH THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT.
UM, ACTUALLY I'M GONNA HAVE TO DEFER TO HALF ON THAT ONE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THE DETAILS EITHER.
AND I THINK THAT ERIC WAS AS PREPARED.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S, THANK YOU.
SO I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE DID COMPARABLE COST AND AGAIN, THIS HIGH LEVEL AND EARLY ON, OUR ESTIMATES ARE ONLY BASED OFF WHAT WE, UM, SO THESE COST ESTIMATES, UNTIL WE GET TO AN ACTUAL DESIGN, A LAYOUT OF EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, THEN OUR COST ESTIMATE WOULD BE A LOT MORE ACCURATE.
SO WE COMPARE IT TO OTHER, UH, EXCUSE ME, I'M SORRY, TO OTHER, UH, FACILITIES THAT WERE BUILT WITHIN THE FIVE YEAR LIMIT AROUND THIS TIME INPUT FROM THE CITY.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THE NUMBERS OF THE COST ESTIMATES.
DOES THAT INCLUDE ALL THE, THE CONCRETE PARKING? CORRECT AND ALL, SO IT'S AN ALL, WE ASSUME THE PARKING AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND IT, UTILITIES AND UH, UTILITIES AREA, IT IS JUST ONE BIG NUMBER CAPTURING YES, SIR.
AND YOU JUST PUT IT IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE CORRECT.
CALCULATION OF THE FACILITY THAT BASED OFF WHAT A COMPARE FACILITY IS OF ITSELF.
YEAH, I, I, I AGREE THAT'S A REASONABLE WAY TO DO IT UP FRONT.
UM, I THINK BEFORE WE GET TO THE BOND COMPONENT PART, UM, I KNOW IT'S VERY CONSERVATIVE, BUT IF IT'S WAY CONSERVATIVE THEN, AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF CONTINGENCY IN THERE, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN TWEAK THAT WITHOUT DOING SOME WORK, BUT, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE GOT, RIGHT? SO THERE'S THE EXPLANATION OF, DOES, DOES THAT DOLLAR NOT INCLUDE AN ACTUAL ARTERY IN THE BUILDING? YES, THE FACILITY.
DOES THAT INCLUDE THE ACTUAL BUILDING ITSELF? IT INCLUDES THE EDUCATION BUILDING, CORRECT.
AND 15% CONTINGENCY IS NUMBER.
SO IT INCLUDES THE EDUCATION BUILDING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE WETLAND CENTER, RIGHT? CORRECT, YES.
AND, AND EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS THERE GOING OUT TO THE NATURE CENTER AND BUILDING A NEW 16,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, IS THAT RIGHT? RIGHT.
AND THE 16,000 TIMES THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS WHAT KIND OF CAME UP WITH THE NUMBER, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO, AND WE, WE FACTORED, SORRY, ENGINEERING COSTS, DESIGN COSTS, CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT COSTS, AND ALL THAT NEW, THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT FOR ARBORETUM BUILDING IN THAT SECOND PIECE OF THE PACKET THAT SAYS BAYTOWN NATURE CENTER,
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UM, WAS BAYTOWN WETLAND AND ARBORETUM INITIATIVE.SO THERE IS AN AUM BUILDING, BUILDING IN THAT ONE.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT I TALKED ABOUT WHERE THAT ONE, IF I HAD TO PRIORITIZE THE TWO, I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE THE EDUCATION BUILDING FIRST AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT.
AND THEN THE EXTRA INITIATIVE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE AN AUM BUILDING AND SOME OTHER, UM, AMENITIES WOULD BE MY SECOND PRIORITY.
HAVING THEM ALL WOULD BE GREAT, BUT IF I HAD TO CHOOSE, THEN THE EDUCATION BUILDING IS DEFINITELY PRIORITY OVER THE OTHERS.
NOW, NOW I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID.
THE LINE ITEM SAYS BAYTOWN WETLAND AND ARBORETUM SPECIAL USE PARK, $13 MILLION, RIGHT? 13 MILLION INCLUDE THE ARBORETUM COMPONENT.
THE, THE PIECE OF THE ARBORETUM THAT WE WOULD PUT INTO THAT PROJECT WOULD BE SOME GARDEN, SOME GARDENS OUTSIDE BUILDING, NOT ANOTHER SEPARATE BUILDING.
SO THE, THE BUILDING WAS IN, IN THE SECOND ONE.
THE ONE THAT'S BETWEEN THE, THE ONE FOR 24 MILLION.
THERE'S A, THERE'S $11 MILLION BUILDING INCLUDED IN THAT 24 MILLION FOR THE ARBORETUM.
SO THE ARBORETUM, WETLAND AND ARBORETUM, ARBORETUM IS SIMPLY PROGRAMS, CORRECT? NO BUILDING GARDENS AND PROGRAMS. GARDENS, YES, BUT NO, NO BUILDING.
SO INITIALLY, ALRIGHT, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
SO COULD WE GO THROUGH THE EACH POINT AND SPECIFY WHAT INCLUDES WHAT, BECAUSE I, I JUST HEARD THERE WASN'T ALGORITHM AND THEN I'M HEARING IT NOW.
THERE WAS, SO I THINK, I THINK THAT THE CONFUSION IS THE WORD ARBORETUM.
ARBORETUM PROGRAMS, ARBORETUM BUILDING.
PROGRAMS ARE IN WITH THE WETLANDS EDUCATION CENTER PROGRAMS? NO, THE PROGRAMS ARE IN WITH THE WETLANDS CENTER EDUCATION BUILDING FOR 13 MILLION.
AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING, WHICH WOULD BE IN OUR IS IN THE SECOND ONE, WHICH IS THE $24 MILLION.
IS THAT THE SAME AS THE EDUCATIONAL CENTER? NO, IT WOULD BE TWO SEPARATE BUILDINGS.
ATION IS THE NATURE CENTER BUILDING.
SO THE, THE 24 MILLION HAS TWO BUILDINGS ATTACHED TO IT ONLY INCLUDES ONE PLUS SOME BOARDWALK PLUS AN AMPHITHEATER, I BELIEVE.
THE TWO BUILDINGS, ONE IS IN EACH PROJECT 13 BUILDING WETLANDS EDUCATION BUILDING.
THE 24 MILLION INCLUDES THE ARBORETUM BUILDING, ONE'S BAYTOWN WETLANDS, AND ONE IS ON NATURE CENTER.
YEAH, I THINK THAT OUR CAUSE SOME CONFUSION ON THAT TIME.
AND I THINK WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS BECAUSE OUR BURRITO IS NOT MENTIONED IN THE SECOND ONE, WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT TYING AN ARRET TO THAT.
IT'S MENTIONED IN THE FIRST ONE, BUT THE $13 MILLION ONE ARE THE ARBORETUM PROGRAMS THAT THEY'LL START FROM THAT BUILDING AND THEN IF THE OTHER ONE HAPPENS, THERE'S AN $11 MILLION ARBORETUM BUILDING PART OF THE OTHER PROJECT, MAYTOWN NATURE CENTER PROJECT.
AND THAT ARBORETUM BUILDING IS SEPARATE FROM THE EDUCATIONAL CENTER? YES.
TWO SEPARATE BUILDINGS ON THE SAME SITE.
IN THE SAME VICINITY, BUT TWO SEPARATE BUILDINGS, PROJECT BOND.
WITH THESE TERMS, I THINK WE NEED TO KIND OF CLARIFY A LITTLE THAN WHAT WE'RE, I THINK I UNDERSTAND AND CLEAR UP FOR EVERYBODY.
MODIFY, WE'LL MODIFY THE NAMES WHEN WE, WHEN WE, WE WE, WE'LL BE, I I'M GONNA RECOMMEND THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE, WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WE FIGURE IT OUT, THAT WE VERY CLOSELY LOOK AT THE NAME OF THE PROJECTS TO VERY CLEARLY FROM THE START, GIVE PEOPLE AN IDEA OF WHAT IT'S ABOUT.
AND THEN A LITTLE EDUCATION TO, TO DEFINE IT.
WE CLEARLY HAVE CONFUSION AMONGST OURSELVES ON THOSE TWO, SO WE'LL WORK ON THOSE TWO PROJECT NAMES.
BUT WHAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT TODAY IS THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO.
SO AS WE BEGAN TO LOOK AT THESE PROJECTS AND, AND BEGAN TO SEE WHAT WE BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S IN EACH ONE AND THAT THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS, THIS RIGHT HERE.
WE'LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO SIMPLIFY THE PACKAGE BECAUSE IF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN ATTENDING THESE MEETINGS AND ARE HAVING THESE CONFUSIONS, THE GENERAL PUBLICS CAN BE CONFUSED.
AND, AND KEEP IN MIND, WE, WE DIDN'T SEE ANY DETAILS ON THE WEAPONS CENTER UNTIL LAST WEEK.
AND I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK SO.
WE GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION LAST WEEK ON THAT AND THAT CLARIFY THAT PROJECT.
ALTHOUGH THE, WE STILL HAD A FEW QUESTIONS BECAUSE OF THE ARC COMPONENT.
WE'LL, AND YEAH, AND THAT'S A GOOD, Y'ALL MAKE A GOOD PASS, BUT I DO PLAN TO SIT DOWN AND FROM THE UNDERSTANDING OF OUR GROUP, WHAT MAKES SENSE IN THE WORDING OF SOME OF THESE PROJECTS BEFORE WE WRAP UP.
ARE WE ALL JUST, UH, NATURE CENTER MUDDY ON THOSE TWO PROJECTS? WE'VE BEEN WALKING THROUGH THE WALKING THROUGH SWAMP MAN.
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WE'VE BEEN WALKING THROUGH EVERYBODY GOOD.OKAY, NOW WE'RE GONNA GET ON TO SEE IF WE CAN MAKE SOME PROGRESS.
YOU ALL HAVE THIS, THIS NEW PRINTOUT.
SO IF YOU BROUGHT YOUR OLD ONE, JUST SET IT ASIDE FOR A MINUTE.
THIS NEW PRINTOUT, THAT'S ALL THE PROJECTS BY GROUPS, THE CATEGORIES WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
SO WHAT'S BEEN ADDED ON REQUEST ARE THE, UH, BAYTOWN STAFF RANK.
CAN WE JUST GET A QUICK EXPLANATION OF WHAT THE RANKING, IS THIS LIKE EVERY ONE OF THESE PROJECTS ONE THROUGH 30 SOMETHING? OR DOES THE RANK MEAN SOMETHING ELSE? UH, BLANK COPY.
THAT WAS ORIGINALLY THE EVERYTHING TOGETHER IS RANKED, RANKED IN ORDER OF SOME IMPORTANCE PRIORITY, WHAT, UH, STAFF SAW AS, UH, AS HIGHEST PRIORITY.
THE HIGHEST PRIORITY PRODUCTS.
SO WHAT, WHAT THAT WILL GIVE US, AND I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE STAFF SHOULD BE RANKING THESE BASED ON THE CITY'S PRIORITIES, RIGHT? NOT THEIR OWN PERSONAL PRIORITIES, BUT THE CITY'S PRIORITIES, UH, WHEN CITY COUNCIL AND ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN WORKING ON, BASED ON ALL THE INPUT AND EVERYTHING THEY DO, THIS IS WHAT THEY BELIEVE.
ONE THROUGH WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE LAST NUMBER ON HERE? 29.
IF THEY WERE RANKING, THEN THIS IS HOW THEY WOULD DO IT.
NOW I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
IS IT OKAY TO ASSUME THAT THE, NOT THE RANK, BUT THE ORDER THAT AT WHICH THEY'RE IN RIGHT NOW BY THE GROUPING? SO AT GARTH OVERSEER BY YOU, I STERLING OVER D IS THAT JUST RANDOM OR, YEAH, THERE, THERE WASN'T A EFFORT TO RANK THEM IN THE GROUPS.
SO IT'S JUST ONCE WE, WE DID AN INITIAL RANKING OF ALL OF 'EM TOGETHER.
ONCE THEY WERE BROKEN UP, UH, I WOULDN'T SAY THEY'RE PARTICULAR SPECIFIC ORDER.
I, I THINK THE WAY THEY'VE BEEN LISTED IN OUR BOOK IS FAIRLY CONSISTENT.
WELL, IT WASN'T THIS WAY TO BEGIN WITH.
THEY THEN BEGAN TO GROUP THEM AND ONCE THEY GOT INTO GROUPS, UM, OF THE CATEGORIES THAT WE LOOK HERE, THEN THEY, THEY SHIFTED THE ORDERS AGAIN.
SO I THINK GARTH ROAD RECONSTRUCTION HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE FIRST ONE IN OUR BOOK WHEN WE STARTED, UM, AS THE STAFF LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, IMPACT TO THE CITY, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, HOW IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, DELIVERED WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME AND, UM, LIKELIHOOD OF GETTING MANY OUTSIDE FUNDING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, THERE'S NO ONE WAY TO START THIS PROCESS OF FIGURING OUT A ONE TO 29 THAT WE THINK WE WOULD COME UP WITH TOGETHER.
SO I'M GONNA START WITH RIGHT OFF THE BAT, ARE THERE ANY PROJECTS ON HERE THAT WE THINK WE CAN COMPLETELY AGREE ON? WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF TIME ON IT.
DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY GUARD THE WHAT? THE GUARD? UM, NO, THESE ARE PROJECTS WE, WE, WE DON'T OH, WE DON'T WANT, LET, LET'S, I'M, I'M, I'M GONNA LOOK FOR ANYTHING THAT WE CAN JUST KIND OF ELIMINATE.
SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S, IT, IT'S A, IT'S A PROJECT AND WE CAN SEE SOME MEETING, BUT YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, BASED ON PRESENTATIONS, BASED ON INFORMATION WE'VE BEEN GIVEN AND ANYTHING ON HERE THAT WE THINK IS JUST A KIND OF, LET'S JUST SET IT ASIDE.
IF IT, IF IT RESURRECTS ITSELF LATER, WE WILL, WHAT DO YOU WANT? ALL OF 'EM? GIMME ONE.
THE WEST MAIN DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, DESIGN ACQUISITION ONLY WEST MAIN DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, DESIGN ACQUISITION, ONLY $1.5 MILLION.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? I'LL PUT WEIGHT ON THAT ALSO.
HUH? I PUT WEIGHT ON THAT ALSO.
WHAT I'M GONNA TRY TO DO AS A TEST IS TO SEE WHICH ONE IS THAT AGAIN? THE WEST MAIN DRAINAGE DRAIN.
IT'LL BE IN THE DRAINAGE GROUP.
IT'S JUST DESIGN DESIGN ON IT.
AND I'LL RAISE YOU THE NUIA DRAINAGE.
ALSO
WELL, THE REASON I'M CHOOSING THAT ONE IS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT HARRIS COUNTY'S ALREADY PARTICIPATED AND GAVE FUNDS TO THAT FROM THE FLOOD CONTROL.
SO THAT'S ALREADY ON WORK AND PROJECT.
SO I'M LOOKING AT THE, ON ONGOING, I MEAN, ONGOING PROJECTS THAT HARRIS COUNTY'S PUTTING MONEY INTO IT, WE NEED TO VOTE THOSE IN BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY STARTED.
AND THAT YOU WOULDN'T WANNA TAKE OUT LIKE THAT.
AND, UH, CEDAR BY LYNCH ROAD WHERE THEY'RE PAYING 50%, UH, WE NEED TO GO WITH THOSE KIND OF PROJECTS AND UH, WE'RE
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GETTING FUNDS FROM THEM ALREADY.SO LET'S, LET'S, UH, THIS WAS A TEST.
HEY, I GOT ALL MY NOTES, WHATEVER.
THIS IS A TEST ON HOW WE THINK WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO AGREE WITH EACH OTHER ON SOME OF THESE THINGS.
AND KEEPING IN MIND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MOST IMPORTANT AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 1, 2, 3, 4, OR SOME DOLLAR AMOUNT.
WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT IS THERE A PROJECT AFTER WE'VE HEARD ALL THE INFORMATION THAT, THAT WE, WE FEEL, UM, IT'S PROBABLY ONE THAT CAN WAIT.
LET'S JUST SAY NOT, NOT DO, BUT JUST WAIT.
ALL THE ACQUISITION DESIGNS, DESIGNS, I THINK THEY NEED TO WAIT.
I THINK THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY NEED THINGS DONE ARE THE ONES THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON.
BECAUSE THOSE, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT WE ARE ALREADY GETTING FUNDING FOR, LIKE, UH, LIKE I SAID, GUARD ROAD, WE ARE ALREADY GETTING SOME FUNDS FROM THAT, FROM T STOCK.
WE GOT CEDAR BIO THAT WE'RE GETTING 50% FROM HARRIS COUNTY.
WE'RE GETTING OF COURSE THE ASPHALT FOR 31 STREETS.
WE'RE GETTING FUNDS FOR UH, HARRIS COUNTY, 4.3 MILLION AND THE CITY ALREADY FINISHED THE DESIGN WORK ON IT.
AND THE A DA THAT'S MANDATORY BECAUSE, SO LET'S, UH, SO, SO I ACTUALLY, LET ME REBUT THAT.
A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE READY TO GO IS BECAUSE A LOT OF THE DESIGN ACQUISITION ALREADY HAPPENED, CORRECT? RIGHT.
SO IF WE'RE JUST THINKING RIGHT NOW, I SEE YOUR POINT, BUT WE ALSO GOTTA THINK ABOUT 10, 15 YEARS.
WHAT, HOW, WHAT'S GONNA BE SET UP FOR THE FUTURE FOR FUTURE PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, KNOW.
AND SO I THINK DESIGN AND ACQUISITION IS PART OF THAT.
AND TO CONTINUE MOVING THE CITY FORWARD, YOU NEED TO SPEND SOME KIND OF MONEY.
BUT THE DESIGN AND ACQUISITION USUALLY GOES DOWN THE ROAD AND USUALLY YOU NEED TO WORK ON THE PROJECTS THAT ALREADY HAVE FUNDING.
IT'S A BALANCE OF BOTH, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T BE, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GO BY THE FINANCE REPORT, WHICH IS THIS THE TAX RATE.
THAT'S WHY I GO BY, I WENT THROUGH ALL THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY BEING FUNDED TO ADD TO THE AMOUNT THAT YOU CAN HIT THE TAXPAYERS WHEN THEY SEE THIS, THEY'RE GONNA SAY, OKAY, HOW MUCH AM I GONNA HIT MY POCKETBOOK? WELL, THE TAX RATE SHOWS THAT AT 150 MILLION, THERE'S NO GONNA BE NO TAX RATE INCREASE.
SO THAT'S WHAT YOU WANNA BRING TO THE, THE FLOOR.
SO WHEN THE CITY LOOKS AT IT, THEY'RE GONNA GO, OH, THAT'S NOT GONNA HIT MY POCKETBOOK.
AND THEY SEE ALL INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND ACTUALLY I HAVE ONE PARKING HERE AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT RUSSELL PARK, WHICH IS ALREADY GONNA HAVE ALL THE FUNDING FOR IT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE IT IN THE ESTATE.
SO YOU GIVE YOUR ONE PARK, BUT EVERY OTHER THING IS INFRASTRUCTURE AND DRAINAGE, WHICH IS A BIG PLUS.
AND I KNOW THE CITY'S GONNA WANT THAT.
'CAUSE IN 2007, THAT'S WHAT WAS ON THE BOND ALSO WAS INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND UH, WHEN YOU BRING THAT IN 2007, BOND ALSO INCLUDED SOME UPFRONT MONEY FOR FUTURE, FOR FUTURE WORK.
NOW IT ALSO INCLUDED POWER AND I, I WISH WE HAD, UH, THE BUDGET FROM THE 2007 THAT WE CAN VIEW THAT WHAT ALL THIS MONEY THAT WAS ON THE BOND THAT WENT THROUGH, WHAT WAS PUT ON THERE.
'CAUSE I KNOW, UH, ELLE STREET WAS ON IT AND I KNOW SOME PARKS WERE ON IT AND I LIKE TO SEE HOW MUCH WAS SPENT FROM THE BOND ON THAT.
DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY MONEY LEFT OVER OR, OR WHAT? 2007.
I KNOW, BUT YOU STILL HAVE SOMETHING TO GO BY.
SO, WELL LET'S, LET'S, UH, LET'S GO BACK TO SORT OF CLARIFYING A FEW THINGS.
THE DAMAGE BEING A DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT THAT WE HAVE TODAY SAYS THERE IS NO GRANT IDENTIFIED FOR THIS PROJECT AT THIS TIME.
THE FIRST PHASE HAS HAD HAD GRANT MONEY, RIGHT? AND, AND IT'S BEEN COMPLETED.
I THINK WHAT WE HEARD, IT'S NOT COMPLETED WELL, IT'S STILL, IT'S IT'S IT'S WORKING.
BUT THE FLOOD CONTROL WILL STILL GIVE MONEY FOR THAT IF YOU PUT IT OUT THERE.
SO YEAH, THEY'RE COUNTING ON ON THERE BEING SOME COMPONENT OF, OF GRANT FUNDING HERE OF $16 MILLION EXACTLY FOR THE 13TH OBAMA PUT UP.
BUT THERE'S NO 16 MILLION YET.
DIDN'T Y'ALL SAY THAT THAT PROJECT WAS PROBABLY NOT GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE Y'ALL WERE GONNA HAVE TO APPROPRIATE PEOPLE'S HOUSES THERE? THERE'S SOME DIFFICULTIES WITH IT'S PHASE ONE AND TWO.
UM, AND YES, AS I SAID, THE ENGINEERS HAVING TROUBLE DESIGNING A PROJECT THAT WOULD NOT IMPACT THE HOUSES ALONG THE CHANNEL.
WE HAVEN'T RESOLVED THAT, THAT ISSUE.
WE SHOULD PROBABLY RESOLVE THAT BEFORE WE TRY TO FUND.
ALRIGHT, SO THERE'S NO PROJECT
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ON HERE.WE CAN ALL AGREE WE OUGHT TO JUST KIND OF LET IT SET ASIDE AND DIDN'T HEAR BUNCH FROM ANYBODY ELSE.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO RECONCILE 2007.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GUESS WHAT HARRIS COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL WILL GIVE US LATER.
IS THERE A PROJECT ON ONE? I'M JUST LOOKING FOR ONE.
LEMME ASK THE QUESTION JUST CURRENTLY, WHAT MONIES ARE WE USING FOR THE SIDEWALK UPGRADES? THE ADA A COMPLIANCE.
UM, I REMEMBER SO YOU'RE SPENDING 5 MILLION A YEAR AT THAT, JUST GENERAL FIVE.
HUNDRED THOUSAND, 200,000, CORRECT.
AND IT WOULD BE, UM, I THINK THEY HAVE TO COME OUT OF GENERAL FUND IT, I DON'T THINK STREET BANK.
SO IF THE, IF THE ASPHALTING IS CURRENTLY BEING PAID OUT STREET TAX.
DID DID YOU ASK ABOUT ASPHALTING OR THE THEY GO.
THE ASPHALTING IS CURRENTLY BEING PAID OUT OF STREET TAX, RIGHT? THERE'S A MILLION DOLLARS THAT COMES OUT OF STREET BANK AND SALES TAX.
UH, PREVIOUSLY UP UNTIL THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE HAD USED 4 MILLION IN GENERAL FUND DEBT TO SUPPLEMENT THAT.
IS THERE ANY REASON WHY OF THE ASPHALT, THE BOND PASSES THAT YOU COULDN'T USE PART OF THE STREET TAX FOR THE SIDEWALKS COMBINED? A DA COMPLIANCE? UM, I, I DON'T REMEMBER IF WE, I DON'T THINK WE CAN USE STREET BANK AND SALES TAX FOR SIDEWALKS.
I'LL HAVE TO CHECK ON THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MONEY IF THE WITH ASPHALTING TASKS.
SO YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD USE IT FOR SOMETHING ELSE, THAT'S FINE.
OTHERWISE YOU'RE JUST GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE MONEY FOR ASPHALT.
SO THAT'S WHY I, I WANNA CLARIFY, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, BUT LEMME CLARIFY THAT WITH ANOTHER QUESTION.
SO THE, THIS $4 MILLION PER YEAR IS NOT THE ONLY MONEY YOU'RE USING TO, TO PREPARE STREETS THERE LIKE THE REGULAR MILL? NOT, I MEAN THE, SO THERE'S STREET MAINTENANCE, SALES TAX CONTRIBUTES A MILLION DOLLARS TO THE ASPHALT REHABILITATION.
UH, ADDITIONALLY STREET MAINTENANCE SALES TAX FUNDS, OUR IN-HOUSE CREWS AND THEIR MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES ON, ON STREETS.
SO WE HAVE SOME CREWS THAT WILL FIX, UM, THEY DO CRACK SEALING, THEY DO OTHER MAINTENANCE ON THE STREETS.
UH, IT'S NOT ALL, IT'S NOT ALL THIS KIND OF, UH, THEY DO PANEL REPLACEMENTS ON CONCRETE.
AND WE, WE FUND PART OF OUR, UM, CONTRACTS, UH, WITH TEAMWORK CONSTRUCTION THAT IS CONCRETE REPLACEMENT.
SO PART OF THAT IS FUNDED BY STREET FACILITY.
SO THE, AS TALKING TO ME IS A NEEDED PROGRAM.
I MEAN THAT'S, YOU GOTTA MAINTAIN THESE STREETS THAT THEY JUST GET WORSE EVERY YEAR.
AND THAT HAPPENED TO US ONE TIME BEFORE AND IT WAS EXPENSIVE, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME WE'RE ALREADY FUNDING THE A DA COMPLIANCE THAT SPECIFIC.
WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO FUND THAT.
BUT I HAVE A GO FOR BOND MONEY, ALL THAT.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO CUSTOM PROJECTS SOMEWHERE.
SO, UH, I WOULD, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT, UM, LAST FISCAL YEAR WE HAD REDUCTION IN OUR BUDGET AND, UM, THE WAY PUBLIC WORKS ABSORBED THAT REDUCTION WAS TO, UM, REDUCE OUR STAFF AND THE STAFF WE REDUCED WAS OUR SIDEWALK UH, CREW.
SO WE HAVE A CREW DEDICATED TO BUILDING SIDEWALKS, UH, THAT WAS CUT LAST YEAR.
AND SO WE DON'T HAVE A CREW THAT'S DEDICATED TO THAT.
UM, AND WE HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR SIDEWALKS PREVIOUS YEARS.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT GOING FORWARD.
ALMOST ALL GENERAL FUND STUFF, ALMOST ALL GENERAL FUND INFRASTRUCTURE MOVING TO A GEO BOND PROCESS HAS TO BE FUNDED THROUGH DEBT.
THERE IS ZERO CASH TO DO THESE PROJECTS LIKE THESE.
THESE LIKE THE MAINTENANCE, UH, MIKE TO YOUR QUESTION FOR FRANK AND THEM TO KEEP UP WITH THE PAVEMENT INDEX FOR ALL OF OUR ROADS WOULD ROUGHLY BE $30 MILLION A YEAR TO KEEP THE STREETS AS THEY ARE NOW WOULD BE, I THINK IT'S $30 MILLION A YEAR.
SO ROUGHLY $30 MILLION EVERY SINGLE YEAR ON STREETS JUST TO KEEP THE ROADS THE SAME CONDITION THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.
AND SO THE, THE BUDGET HAS BEEN REDUCED IN EFFORT TO REDUCE THE TAX RATE.
SO THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL CASH TO DO THE STANDING PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.
AND MOVING TO THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND MEANS THAT ALL INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS IN A GENERAL FUND WILL BE FUNDED THROUGH DEBT ONLY.
I I THINK WE SPENDING MONEY ON STREET MAINTENANCE.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
I AGREE WITH THAT, THAT THAT HAS BEEN A FUNDAMENTAL COMPONENT OF PRIOR GEO BONDS.
FUNDAMENTALLY THE FIRST THING ON THE LIST WAS ALWAYS, AND IT WAS $30 MILLION LAST TIME IN 2007, IF YOU'RE WONDERING $30 MILLION
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FOR THIS SAME TYPE OF WORK AND, AND IT WAS 5 MILLION A YEAR FOR SIX YEARS.AND, AND IT WAS, IT WAS A LINE ITEM JUST LIKE THIS WITH A WHOLE LIST OF STREETS.
JUST LIKE THEY GAVE US SAYING HOW MUCH EACH SECTION AND IT WAS JUST ONGOING WORK.
AND THEN IT WAS GO BOND FUNDED UP UNTIL THE 2007 BOND WENT SIX YEARS TO ABOUT 2013.
AND THEN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT, WHERE THE MONEY CAME FROM, BUT UP UNTIL 2013, THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY CAME FROM FOR WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, UH, WHAT THIS $20 MILLION IS ASKING FOR.
SO LET ME JUST SAY WE, WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO IDENTIFY ONE PROJECT.
SO I HAVE, WE NEED THAT PARK IMPROVEMENTS AND THE NEW STERLING LIBRARY.
I'LL START WITH THE FIRST ONE.
IT'S NOT, I UNDERSTAND HOW IT WOULD BRING PEOPLE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TRIANGLE, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF, BUT IT'S AS COMPARED TO GARTH AND THE OTHER THINGS, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD, I WOULD JUST TABLE IT, PUT IT IN THE BACK BURNER AND MAYBE I BELIEVE SOMEONE SAID THAT EXXON WANTED A BETTER PART FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES OR MY MAKING THAT UP OR THEY WANTED TO IMPROVE IT OR YOU SAID THAT THEY LIKE THE PARK IN THE AREA.
SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN GO FOR IT AT THEIR LEISURE.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS A NEW STERLING MUNICIPAL LIBRARY JUST BECAUSE WE SPENT A HUGE PORTION AND I THINK AT LEAST I STILL HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THE 12 PORTS, I BELIEVE THAT WAS SAID, IT'S IF THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE, IF THERE'S, THERE'S JUST TOO MANY VARIABLES.
SO I DON'T WANT TO GO FORTH 20 MILLION AND IT MAY END UP BEING WAY MORE THAN THAT.
SO THAT'S MY, YEAH, THE FIRST ONE, UH, UNI THAT PARK UNI THAT I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT TO GET IT OUT.
AND I'M AGREEMENT WITH THE OTHER ONE TOO.
SO IT'S, THOSE ARE MY TWO THAT I WOULD OKAY.
JUST SO, UH, LET'S START WITH UNI DUCK PARK.
WE GOT A GOOD PRESENTATION ON THAT JUST LAST WEEK.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT, LET'S JUST PUT THAT OFF THE SIDE AND NOT, NOT CONSIDER RIGHT NOW WE HAVE RAISE THEIR HANDS.
NO, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR SOME ODD, ARE WE NODDING? ANYBODY FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT IT? I DON'T, I DIDN'T EVEN RATE IT.
ANYBODY FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT IT? I I HAVE A QUESTION.
IF WE'RE DOING AWAY WITH THE WEST MAIN DRAINAGE PROJECT, WE'RE NOT DOING AWAY WITH ANYTHING YET.
WELL, I'M SAYING BUT THESE ARE PROPOSED.
AND UNIT UP PARK THAT IMPACTS JUST THE WEST END OF BAYTOWN.
ARE WE EXCLUDING ANY IMPROVEMENTS IN THE WEST END OF BAYTOWN? NO, THE ONE, THE MAIN IS DRAINAGE IS GOING ON THAT BIG PROJECT WITH THE DRAINAGE WITH HARRIS COUNTY'S, UH, PAYING SOME MONEY ON IT.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S MIGHT BE A HITCH WITH THE, UH, WITH THE GRANT MONEY? NO, NOT ON THAT ONE.
THE WEST MAIN DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS WAS JUST DESIGN AND ACQUISITION.
THAT WAS ONE TO KIND OF GET PLANS ROLLING FOR FUTURE FUNDING FOR THE WORK.
WHICH DOESN'T SAY THE WORK'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
IT JUST SAYS IT WON'T GET STARTED IN PLANNING.
THINK SHE TALK, THINK SHE SAID ABOUT THE FIRST ONE IN THAT CATEGORY.
THE PHASES TWO AND THREE WEST BAY.
I DON'T, DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE.
YEAH, I I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE WHAT WHAT WAS MENTIONED WAS THE, THE ONE FARTHER DOWN.
THAT WAS THE DESIGN AND ACQUISITION ONLY.
BUT THOSE ARE THE ONLY THREE IN DISTRICT ONE.
I THINK WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED.
AND THAT ONE, THE WEST DRAINAGE.
SO, SO HERE AGAIN, UM, I WAS HOPING
I GET THE WHOLE, THE, THE COMPLEXITY OF THE LIBRARY PROJECT IS THAT WE WERE GIVEN ZERO TO $20 MILLION TO CONSIDER.
ZERO MEANING Y'ALL GO HANDLE IT WITH THE EVENT CENTER PROJECT TO 20, LET'S JUST GO BUILD A BRAND NEW ONE TO SOMETHING IN BETWEEN THAT WOULD SAY WE THINK THAT THE CURRENT ONE NEEDS TO BE RENOVATED AND, AND REPURPOSED FOR A SENIOR CENTER AND LIBRARY AND ALL.
AND SO THAT ONE UNFORTUNATELY WAS ONE, AND I THINK MATT REPORTED PRETTY ACCURATELY THAT WAS ONE THAT WE, THAT'S NOT LIKE ALL THE OTHER ONES.
WE'RE NOT DECIDING TO DO HALF A STREET.
OR HALF THE LENGTH OF THE STREET.
THAT ONE RIGHT THERE, WHAT OUR CITY MANAGER ASKED US TO DO WAS TO BE THE CITIZENS REPRESENTATIVES TO DETERMINE WHAT WE THOUGHT THE CITIZENS
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WOULD WANT THE LIBRARY TO BE.A, A PIECE OF AN EVENT CENTER, WHICH WILL BE A LIBRARY ALL THE WAY TO A BRAND NEW STANDALONE BUILDING STATE-OF-THE-ART, YOU KNOW, BUILDING THAT HOPEFULLY WILL LAST AS LONGER AND LONGER THAN THE STARTING LIBRARY IS LASTING.
SO THE LIBRARY IS OFF MY LIST.
AND AND I THINK IF YOU WANT TO GET MORE CITIZEN INPUT ABOUT WHAT THE LIBRARY SHOULD DO, YOU OUGHT BE TALKING TO THE LIBRARY GROUP AND THERE'S A WHOLE BOARD OVER THE LIBRARY THAT NEEDS IT AND HELP DECIDE ANYTHING.
SO YOU OUGHT AT LEAST GET SOME DATA THEM ON WHAT THEY MAY OR MAY NOT WANT.
MY ISSUE WAS IT'S JUST AN UNKNOWN PROJECT.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND I'LL TELL YOU MY THOUGHT PROCESS THROUGH ALL THESE.
SO I GO THROUGH ALL THE NEEDS FIRST.
AND THEN EVERYTHING THAT I CONSIDER IT MAY BE A WANT I TAKE OFF THE LIST.
AND IT'S NOT THAT SOME OF THESE ON HERE THAT I CONSIDER WANT AREN'T NICE AMENITIES THAT MAY DRAW PEOPLE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE'S A FIXED AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO PUT OUT THERE ON THE FARM.
SO I'VE GOTTA START CUTTING THINGS SOMEPLACE IN ANYTHING THAT HAD MONEY ALREADY ATTACHED TO IT WITH A GRANT IS ON MY LIST.
AND INCLUDING THE RUSSELL PARK, ALTHOUGH THIS DOESN'T SHOW IT, THERE'S 10 MILLION OR $12 MILLION BEING FUNDED BY THE COUNTY OR SOMETHING IN THAT PARK.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S BEING FUNDED THE MOST OF THE DESIGN ACQUISITIONS, UNLESS THEY, THEY WERE FUNDED.
I DIDN'T BOOK FOR EXCEPT FOR THE FIRE STATION.
WE HAVE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT FIRE STATION.
WE CAN'T KICK THAT ONE DOWN THE ROAD AT ALL.
UH, AND AND UNTIL THEY AND UNTIL THEY FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BUILD THE THING, BECAUSE CURRENTLY IT'S LANDLOCKED AND THERE AIN'T A WHOLE LOT OF LAND LEFT, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOME MONEY TO GO OUT AND DO SOME PRELIMINARY DESIGN AND HUNT FOR LAND.
WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND A FUNCTION THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD NEVER BEEN IN THAT FIRE STATION, GET 'EM GO MAKE A TOUR.
WAS THERE SOMEBODY ELSE THAT HAD A QUESTION ABOUT WE KNEW THAT PARK AND NOT ASKING IT SO I JUST, I CLARIFIED AND BECAUSE THE REST OF THE PROJECTS POTENTIALLY COULD GO THROUGH HER QUESTION WAS RESOLVED.
I THINK THAT WAS THE ONLY, SHE WAS THE ONLY PERSON THAT RAISED HER HAND.
WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WAS LIKE, NO, WE NEED TO KEEP, WE NEED THAT PART.
THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE IN THE ROOM.
ANYBODY ELSE? WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE IN THE ROOM.
NO, KIND OF THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD FROM UH, MAR AND MIKE AND THAT THE WAY I LOOKED AT THESE THINGS WAS TO APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE GREAT NEEDS AND ALSO ONCE, BUT WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA DECIDE THE QUANTITY OF MONEY'S GONNA BE INVOLVED IN BOND ISSUES.
BUT, UH, I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE EASIER TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT IF WE WENT FROM THE BOTTOM UP TO WHAT YOU DON'T WANT THROWING OUT FROM THE TOP DOWN.
I WAS USING THAT BOTTOM HOPING THAT HELP US FIGURE OUT HOW TO COME TO CONSENSUS ON SOMETHING.
PROBABLY 10 OR SO PROJECTS THAT THE AMOUNT TO ABOUT 50, $150 MILLION THAT WE MIGHT HAVE A BETTER LUCK AT COMING TOGETHER ON AND THEN FINDING OUT WHERE WE CAN GO WITH ANOTHER 20 OR A HUNDRED MILLION, WHATEVER GOLF WE WANNA DO.
AND WE MIGHT PRIORITIZE THOSE AND EVERYBODY COULD, YOU KNOW, VOTE 29 ON WHATEVER THEY WANT TO.
BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE A LIST THAT START US, I THINK TOGETHER SEPARATE.
I DUNNO, I I AGREE WITH EVERYONE'S COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP.
WHAT I'M SHOWING US IS THE DIFFICULTY IN HOW MIKE PRIORITIZES AND HOW JOSEPH PRIORITIZES AND JOHN AND EVERYONE ELSE PRIORITIZES AND HOW WE DEFINE A NEED VERSUS A WANT.
WE WERE GIVEN, I THINK WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT WERE ONCE LAST WEEK THAT YOU COULD SEE COULD BE A NEED FOR THE CITY OF BAYTOWN.
YOU KNOW, I WAS, I WAS, UH, I GOT A LOT MORE INFORMATION ON THE IMPACT OF A, OF CERTAIN PROJECTS TO THE CITY OF BAYTOWN IMPACT OTHER THAN A ROAD OR FLOODING, MITIGATING FLOODING.
AND THERE, THERE ARE THE NEEDS.
SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE, HAVE TO DO IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WHAT WE BELIEVE, BUT WE CAN USE THE WORD NEEDS AND WANTS.
WE DON'T WANNA SAY WANTS, BUT, BUT WHEN WE DEFINE NEED, IS IT SPECIFICALLY THIS NARROW CATEGORY OF PROJECTS OR IS IT A LITTLE BIT BROADER? SO THE, SINCE THAT WASN'T VERY SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE THE, WE GOTTA HAVE EVERYBODY COMMENTING, PARTICIPATING OR SOMETHING SO THAT TWO OR THREE PEOPLE DON'T DECIDE FOR EVERYBODY IS THE NEXT STEP WAS GONNA GO AND LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES.
I'M SURE EVERYONE'S LOOKED THROUGH THESE CATEGORIES AND RANKED
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THEM ONE THROUGH WHATEVER, RIGHT? MM-HMMIS EVERYONE KIND OF TAKING SOME TIME TO DO THAT? I, I KNOW I TOOK A LITTLE SHOT AT IT.
I DON'T HAVE A, I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER IN MIND BECAUSE WHEN YOU GOT AN END IN MIND AND YOU'RE TRYING TO MEET, YOU'RE TRYING TO FIT IT INTO THAT.
WHAT WHAT I LOOKED AT WAS WHAT I THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT IN EACH ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES.
UH, AND I AND, AND TRY TO RANK EACH ONE OF THOSE WITHIN THEIR OWN LITTLE GROUPS.
RIGHT? AND SO WE'LL, WE'LL GO THROUGH A LITTLE TEST AND MAYBE WE'LL HAVE SOME SUCCESS ON THIS PART OF IT.
AND WE'LL START WITH WHAT A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN ABOUT THE VERY FIRST PROJECT ON THE LIST.
GARTH ROAD RECONSTRUCTION, NUMBER ONE ON THE CITY'S LIST.
I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND IT'S A CONTINUATION OF WHAT'S HAPPENING ON GARTH ROAD COMING SOUTH FROM I 10.
UH, DOES EVERYONE BELIEVE THAT THAT IS AN IMPORTANT PROJECT WITH MATCHING FUNDS OF, OF $53 MILLION OF GRANT MONEY AND $35 MILLION NEEDED FROM, UH, THIS BOND TO CONTINUE THAT PROJECT FOR THE PHASES C, D AND E? YES.
DOES EVERYONE BELIEVE THAT? THAT'S PROBABLY LIKE A NO BRAINER THAT AFFECTS MORE PEOPLE WHO PROJECT.
WELL, NO, WE DON'T HAVE ONE OUT YET 'CAUSE NOT EVERYBODY AGREED WE'RE COMING BACK TO IT.
I'M LOOKING AT EVERYBODY AND I NEED SOME CONFIRMATION.
WELL THAT'S WHY I SAID RAISE YOUR HAND.
ALL RIGHT, WE, WE, WE'VE GOT THAT ONE.
OKAY, THE NEXT ONE THAT, UH, HAS HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION EARLY AND WE GOT A LOT OF CLARIFYING INFORMATION ON WAS THE CEDAR, BI, LYNCHBURG WIDENING PHASE ONE AND TWO HARRIS COUNTY'S GIVEN 50%.
SO WE GOT, WE GOT THAT'S AND THAT'S A PRETTY MUCH A, A A THAT PROJECT OR THE GRANT PARTNERSHIP HAS ALREADY HAPPENED, RIGHT? IS THAT AN AGREEMENT THAT'S HAPPENED? YES.
SO WE PUT THE BOND MONEY UP OF 27 MILLION.
THE COUNTY PUTS UP 19 MILLION AND WE GET CEDAR BIO, LYNCHBURG ROAD WIDEN FROM GARTH ALL THE WAY TO JOHN MARTIN ROAD FOR THE DESCRIPTION THEY GAVE US.
HOW'S EVERYBODY FEEL ABOUT THAT? DEFINITELY.
I LIKE THE RAISING THEIR HANDS BECAUSE UNLESS YOU KNOW HOW TO READ PEOPLE'S EYES LIKE YOU JUST SAID, THAT'S VERY COMPLICATED.
ALL RIGHT, I'M GONNA SKIP DOWN.
I'M GONNA SKIP DOWN TO THE NEXT SECTION.
THE FIRST THE STREETS GO TO STREETS.
YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S GONNA SAY ASPHALT'S A BIG PLUS.
I'M LOOKING FOR SOME WINS HERE.
ALL RIGHT,
ALL RIGHT, THE NEXT ITEM, THE NEXT SECTION DOWN, NEIGHBORHOODS, STREETS, SIDEWALKS, ET CETERA.
THE FIRST ITEM, $20 MILLION FOR WORK ALL OVER THE CITY.
WHICH ONE? MOBILITY THE $20 MILLION.
ASPHALT, ASPHALT, ANNUAL ASPHALT.
ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY GOOD THERE MAN.
I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE NEXT ONE ON THAT LIST.
UH, NEIGHBORHOOD STREET RECONSTRUCTION OF LANTER PARK.
REMEMBER THIS IS AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD, LANTER PARK, OFF BAKER ROAD, BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES A COUPLE OF STREETS IN BAY OAKS HARBOR.
AND IT ALSO INCLUDES HALF A STREET, SOUTH CIRCLE, SOUTH CIRCLE, SOUTH CIRCLE.
AND HARRIS COUNTY IS GIVING 4.3 MILLION TO IT.
ALL RIGHT, SO THAT 4.3 IS PROBABLY THE LAN PARK COMPONENT.
IS THAT IT? IT'S THE WHOLE THING.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER PROJECT THAT HAS, UM, AN IMPACT ON AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD, LANTER PARK AND A COUPLE OF OTHER PLACES AROUND TOWN.
SO IF, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT ACTUALLY THAT ONE ON THE, IF, IF WHOEVER'S KEEPING UP IT JUST IN CASE YOU WANNA KEEP UP BY DISTRICT, THAT ALSO INCLUDES DISTRICT SIX.
SO MARK THAT IT'S NOT JUST DISTRICT THREE, IT'S DISTRICT NO, I THINK WE'RE JUST DOING, YES.
LET LET ME MAKE ONE COMMENT ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
SO THIS INCLUDES THE BAY OAKS HARBOR.
SO WHEN THE CITY ACQUIRED, WHEN WE ANNEXED, THEY VOLUNTARILY CAME TO THE CITY, ONE GET ANNEXED, AND THEY WERE IN BED SHAPE AND THEY WERE THE HOMEOWNERS.
AS PART OF THAT ANNEXATION, THEY WERE ASSESSED AN UPFRONT FEE, WHICH TYPICALLY DOESN'T HAPPEN IN ANNEXATIONS, BUT THEY WEREN'T ASSESSED THE FEE.
THIS HAPPENED 15 YEARS AGO, WHATEVER IT IS.
AND WE HAVEN'T DONE WHAT WE PROMISED THEM WE DO WHEN THEY ANNEX THAT DEAL AND THEY PAID THEIR MONEY.
SO THAT PROJECT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
'CAUSE WE OWE IT TO THOSE CITIZENS WHO DID PROMISED WHO HAVE MADE AN AGREEMENT, THEY LIVED UP TO THEIR AGREEMENT.
QUITE FRANKLY, THE CITY HASN'T LIVED UP TO THEIR AGREEMENT AND THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
AND THAT'S A PIECE OF THIS PROJECT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, WHICH DOES
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INCLUDE ALSO, UH, DISTRICT SIX.UH, AND THAT ONE AGAIN DOES HAVE SOME, SOME, UH, GRANT FUNDING ASSOCIATED.
LET'S, UH, LET'S, LET'S GO AHEAD AND JUST TAKE ANOTHER SECTION.
I WE VOTE WELL, I GOT, I GOT ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FROM EVERYBODY.
I'M GONNA ASK YOU, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE TO SPEAK UP? OKAY.
I'M GONNA LOOK AT YOU AND I'M GONNA READ YOU, BUT IF, IF YOU'VE GOT AN ISSUE WITH SOMETHING YOU, YOU'VE SEEN HOW WE'VE DONE, WE'LL STOP EITHER WAY.
BAYTOWN DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, PHASES TWO AND THREE.
EVERYBODY REMEMBER THAT PROJECT TRUNK LINE GOING DOWN OKLAHOMA STREETS ALREADY? WHICH ONE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? DRAIN WEST BAYTOWN DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS.
THAT TRUNK LINE IS, IS IT IN OR DESIGN? DESIGN.
AND IT'S GONNA BE BUILT RIGHT? RIGHT.
THIS WAS, IF I RECALL, ABOUT 11 MILES OF NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS IN A BIG SECTION OF WEST BAYTOWN.
OLD BAYTOWN TO
AND SO, SO WE SAW THAT, THAT, AND I THINK WE HEARD THAT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THIS IS ALL DONE? DRAINAGE IS IMPROVED.
BUT NEW STREETS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE, THAT ENTIRE BIG AREA, RIGHT? A HUGE, A HUGE IMPROVEMENT JUST TO EVERYTHING.
SEWER LINES, WATER LINES, EVERYTHING.
HUGE IMPROVEMENT TO THAT AREA.
HOW DO, HOW DID EVERYBODY, YES.
HOW DO WE PUT THAT? HE WANTS THE YES.
DON'T DO THE I HOW CAN YOU DO THE I YES PETER PAPER.
I'M PUT THE HANDS THAT WAY EVERYBODY KNOWS.
LET'S GO TO FACILITIES FIRE STATION NUMBER FOUR.
IS THAT KIND OF A THERE YOU GO FOR ME.
I'M GONNA KNOW ONE THAT YOU NO, I AM TOO.
FIRE STATION THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA BE OVERRULED.
AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY I'M, I'M ADDING, I ADDED ALL THESE AND YOU ADD THAT IN THERE.
IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S GONNA GO OVER.
WE, UM, I I REALLY, YEAH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING.
I I'M GONNA TELL YOU FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, EXCEPT FOR MEETING NUMBER THREE, WE'VE NOT TALKED ABOUT A DOLLAR LIMIT.
I I DON'T, I DO NOT BELIEVE WE SHOULD LIMIT OURSELVES ON SOME DOLLAR VALUE TILL WE GET THERE.
AND IF WE GET THERE AND WE, IF WE'VE RANKED ALL THESE AND WE START ADDING THIS UP AND WE GET TO SOME DOLLAR VALUE, WE GO, HEY, THEN, THEN WE, WE CAN THEN BEGIN.
BUT IF WE START, IF WE START WITH SOME END NUMBER IN MIND, WHICH YOU KNOW, THEN, THEN WE'RE, WE DON'T GET TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
YEAH, I MEAN THE TAXPAYER'S GONNA MAKE THAT DECISION.
CITY COUNCIL'S GONNA MAKE THE FIRST DECISION ON OUR RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? SO WE'RE GONNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
WE BELIEVE WHEN THE TIME COMES, THAT ONE 50 IS WHAT WE RECOMMEND THE LIMIT.
BUT WE'RE GONNA GIVE THEM SOME OPTIONS TO GO TO 2, 2 50.
WE'LL GIVE THEM THAT LIST OF ADDITIONAL PROJECTS THAT WE THINK IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, HERE WE GO.
BUT WE'LL GIVE THEM WHAT WE BELIEVE OUR RECOMMENDATION IS WITH OPTIONS.
SO WE ARE GONNA HAVE SOME LIMIT.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA GET THERE.
ARE WE TAKING MAJORITY OR JUST LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS ONE, THE FIRE STATION FOUR.
ARE WE TAKING MAJORITY TO CHECK MARKET OR I'M, I'M LOOKING AT BY, I'M LOOKING AT IT BY CONSENSUS.
AND IF WE CAN'T GET CONSENSUS, LIKE IF MARK AND DENISE ARE A HARD NO, HELL NO.
OKAY, THEN WE'RE GONNA PUT IT ASIDE NOW.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID Y'ALL, IF Y'ALL CAN'T AGREE ON IT, YEAH.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL WAIT ON THAT.
I THINK WE WEREN'T GONNA HOP AROUND.
THEY'RE THEY'RE BY CATEGORIES.
THERE'S NO FIRST THROUGH WHATEVER.
IF WE CAN RANK BY CATEGORY THAT MIGHT HELP US IDENTIFY PRIORITIES IN EACH OF THESE CATEGORIES THAT WILL BENEFIT MORE AREAS OF TOWN.
OTHERWISE WE COULD JUST PICK ALL THE GRANT FUNDED ONES AND ADD IT UP AND BE DONE.
ANYBODY ELSE COULD HAVE DONE THAT?
HEY, YOU WANNA VOTE
IS HE YOUR SAYING? ALL RIGHT, PUT HIM TO WORK.
OKAY, WELL LET'S, UM, LET'S GO TO
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ONE WE, WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.THIS IS GONNA BE A LITTLE, LITTLE CONVERSATION.
THE SIDEWALK PEDESTRIAN CROSSING A DA IMPROVEMENTS CONVERSATION ABOUT FUNDING AND OPTIONS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT I I I VOTE YES BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THAT'S A REQUIREMENT FROM THE STATE BECAUSE DON'T WE HAVE TO DO IT FINES? I'M VOTING NO, BECAUSE THE CITY HAS MANAGED TO FIND A WAY TO FUND THAT ALREADY.
AND SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA GET DONE UP TILL NOW.
THEY DON'T HAVE LICENSE UP UNTIL LAST YEAR.
SO, BUT WHY WOULD YOU VOTE YES FOR THAT ONE AND NO FOR THE FIRE STATION? 'CAUSE THAT'S JUST A DESIGN.
IT NEEDS TO BE DONE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF, THEY GET A LOT OF CALLS OUT THERE THAT STATION, BUT THEY STILL HAVE A FIRE STATION RIGHT NOW.
BUT IT NEEDS TO NOT DESIGN ACCOUNT BEFORE THEY BUILD IT.
WE'RE MOVED ON TO ANOTHER ONE.
THIS, AGAIN, IT'S UNDERSTANDING THAT THE THOUGHT PROCESS HERE, YOU GOTTA, THERE IS SOME PLANNING REQUIRED TO GO BUILD SOMETHING.
AND THIS IS, YOU GOTTA DO THAT BEFORE YOU, YOU GOTTA BUY PROPERTY AND BUY IT BEFORE YOU DO IT.
THIS RIGHT HERE ARE EXISTING DEFICIENCIES AND CITY SIDEWALKS.
YES, I KNOW, I KNOW MIKE'S DONE RESEARCH AND FOUND THAT THE CITY'S BEEN DOING IT.
AND THE FUNDS THAT USED TO BE THERE ARE NOT THERE ANYMORE.
SO IF IT'S A FEDERAL MANDATE AND WE DON'T PROVIDE THE FUNDING, YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HAVE THE, THE DIRECTION FOR ME WILL CUT THE DIRECTION TO ME FROM THE COUNCIL WILL BE TO CUT SERVICES ELSEWHERE TO FUND THIS.
THERE IS NOT, THERE IS NO LONGER CASH FLOW TO PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.
END OF STORY OR THERE NOT FINES ASSOCIATED WITH NOT GETTING IT DONE TOO.
THEY'LL CUT SERVICES, THEY'LL CUT SERVICES TO GET IT DONE.
AND WE KNOW HOW THE GOVERNMENT LIKES TO FIND, I DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY ON IT EITHER, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'S A NECESSITY.
UNLESS DO YOU WANT THE CITY TO GET FINED? WE CAN FIND ENOUGH.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA GET DOWN TO WHERE IT'S GONNA GET A LITTLE, A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO GET A HUNDRED PERCENT ON, ON EVERYTHING.
IT SHOULD PROBABLY JUST BOAT AND THE MAJORITY OF IT GOES, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK I HUNDRED PERCENT YOU ONE OR TWO HOLDOUTS HERE OR THERE.
AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE ARE SAYING ONE THING AND ONE OR TWO ARE SAYING ANOTHER AND IT'S JUST NOT.
AND, AND IT'S, AND, AND I KNOW WE'RE GONNA GET TO THAT.
WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA GET HELD UP.
WHAT I WANT TO DO IS, UM, WHAT I WANT TO DO WHEN THIS IS DONE IS WHATEVER WE RECOMMEND THAT MARGA AND DENISE AND MIKE AND JOSEPH AND EVERYBODY ELSE AGREES WHAT WE PUT FORWARD.
AND THEY DON'T SAY, I WASN'T IN FAVOR OF THAT.
I VOTED AGAINST IT AND THEY DID IT ANYWAY.
'CAUSE THE MAJORITY OF RULES, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS OUR COMMITTEE OF ONLY 15 PEOPLE DOESN'T SEE A COMMON NEED.
AND IF WE DON'T SEE A COMMON NEED, JUST WHAT WE THINK IS FUNDAMENTALLY NEEDED IN THIS TOWN, WE'RE GONNA STRUGGLE GETTING CITIZENS TO SEE THAT NEED.
SO WHAT'S IMPORTANT IN, IN LOOKING AT THINGS AND BY CONSENSUS IS TO SAY, I DON'T REALLY AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I CAN, I CAN GO WITH IT.
I'M NOT GONNA DIE ON THAT ONE.
WHEN WE GET DOWN TO THAT LEVEL OF DECISION MAKING, WE CAN VOTE SIMPLE MAJORITY WINS, AND WE, WE WILL LOSE SOMEONE'S SUPPORT, EVEN ONE PERSON'S SUPPORT ON THIS COMMITTEE.
AND WE'RE ALL TOO VALUABLE TO NOT SUPPORT WHAT WE TAKE FORWARD.
SO I'M TRYING REALLY HARD TO, TO LOOK AT THIS, UH, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WE'RE NOT ALL GONNA AGREE ON EVERYTHING 100%, BUT I CAN AGREE ON MOST OF IT AND SUPPORT IT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING, I PARTICIPATE A LOT OF PRE-BOND COMMITTEES.
THERE HAVE BEEN LOTS OF THINGS THAT WENT ON IN THOSE COMMITTEES THAT I DID NOT AGREE WITH AND WAS OUT, VOTED ON IT WHEN IT WENT TO BOND.
AND I SUPPORTED EVERY SINGLE FINAL REPORT FROM THE COMMITTEE WHEN, WHEN WE WENT OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND SOLD THE PROJECT.
THE ISSUE IS ME, CAN I EXPLAIN THE PROJECT? AND YOU KNOW, I'M, I DON'T THE SIDEWALK FOR NOT A THING FOR ME, BUT I CAN EXPLAIN WHY WE NEED TO DO IT.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ME BEING NEGATIVE AT THE END OF THE DAY.
THAT'S THE CONSENSUS OF THE COMMITTEE BECAUSE THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE COMMITTEE AND THAT'S HOW IT'S GONNA END UP.
I MEAN, WE'RE JUST SUGGESTING RIGHT NOW AND AT THE END THEN WE'RE GONNA SCREEN IT AGAIN.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST THIS IS THE FIRST PROCESS.
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YES.I'M TRYING TO GET US TO, WE'RE WE'RE IN THE DOLL HOUSE.
YOU FOR THE AADA A AND US FOR THE OTHER PART.
I WAS POINTING IN GENERAL HEARD.
I KNOW HOW YOU, I I KNOW HOW YOU ARE.
I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT YOU, I WAS TALKING ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE HERE WHO FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU WEREN'T LISTENED TO OR YOU GOT OUT VOTED AND WE'RE WE, WE NEED TO BE WON AFTERWARDS.
SO ARE WE GONNA PUT A CHECK MARK ON THAT OR NOT? I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SAY WAIT, YES.
IF WE PUT A CHECK MARK ON THE, WHAT ARE WE DOING RIGHT NOW? A DA.
OKAY, THEN WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND PUT A CHECK MARK ON THE FIRE STATION.
WELL IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING, RIGHT? YEAH.
WE ONLY HAD A COUPLE ON THE FIRE STATION.
SO WE'RE USING THIS AS AN, AS A TEST OF HOW WE, 'CAUSE I PUT A HOLD ON THE FIRE STATION.
WELL THEN THEY'RE PUT A, HOLD ON, WE NEED TO GO BACK THOUGH.
WELL, HOW MANY, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET FINED IF WE DON'T BUILD A FIRE STATION.
WE'RE GONNA BE FINED IF WE DON'T GET AADA A I GET THAT.
I GET THAT WE'RE TALKING MILLIONS, WE'RE NOT TALKING, YOU KNOW, POCKET CHANGE AND THEN THERE GOES TAXPAYERS DOLLARS.
WE HAVE TO PERSUADE HIM 'CAUSE HE'S THE ONE WITH A NONE.
YOU'RE TALKING, MY, MY ISSUE FOR NO IS TOTALLY, THERE'S THINGS THAT COULD TAKE CARE OF THAT.
IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN ANY OF Y'ALL'S POSITION.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
I DON'T LIKE PAYING FOR AADA A BUT MINUS FOR NOTHING.
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GET USED ACROSS THE CITY ALL THE WAY.
AND I BELIEVE THE MATTER OF WHAT COUNSEL SAID, THAT IF IT IS NOT ON A BOND, THEY WILL FIND A WAY TO FUND IT.
AND IF IT HAS TO CUT A SERVICE, THEN THEY'LL LIVE WITH WHATEVER SERVICE THEY CUT.
WELL, WE DON'T WANNA PAY THE SERVICES TO TAKE FROM OTHER THINGS WHEN IF IT GETS IN THE BOND AND YOU GET THE MONEY FOR IT.
LET'S PUT A MAYBE WHERE WE AT.
CAN WE GO TO JEAN AND LORETTA? I MEAN, THAT'S AN EASY WAY.
THAT'S WHERE, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I WAS GOING.
YEAH, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE TOUCHED EACH SECTION EXCEPT THAT BOTTOM ONE.
AND SO I'M GONNA PUT, UH, MAYBE THERE.
ALRIGHT, SO LET'S GO TO PARKS.
ONE OF THE ONES THAT I THINK SORT OF BLOSSOMED LAST WEEK THAT JUST CAME TO LIGHT CLEAR THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
WE, WE HAD HEARD UP TO THAT POINT WAS THE GENE AND LORETTA RUSSELL PARK.
SO THERE'S A COUNTY COMPONENT, THERE'S AN ESTATE COMPONENT AND THERE'S, THERE'S A CITY COMPONENT.
AND I THINK WE CLARIFIED LAST WEEK, IF THE CITY'S PIECE DOESN'T HAPPEN, THE OTHER TWO DON'T HAPPEN.
THE CITY'S PIECE IS INFRASTRUCTURE, DRAINAGE AND ALL THAT.
AND THEN WE HAVE, SO IT'S A PRIVATE PUBLIC PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP BASICALLY.
RIGHT BETWEEN COUNTY, CITY AND THE STATE.
CAN I GET A QUESTION ANSWERED ON THAT? YEP.
SO THE NUMBER I THINK WAS 10 OR $12 MILLION OF FUNDING, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IT WAS IN THE PROCESS.
SO IF THAT PROJECT HAPPENS, WHO OWNS THE PARK? THE CITY WILL OWN THE PARK.
SO THE CITY WILL OWN THE PARK.
HARRIS COUNTY THEN TAKES OVER A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT TO MAINTAIN THE PARK TO THE CITY STANDARD THAT WE PUT IN THE AGREEMENT.
AND THEN WHAT STILL HAS TO BE DISCUSSED, BECAUSE OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT ALSO FEELS THAT THEY ARE MORE, AND I AGREE WITH THEM, THEY ARE MORE CAPABLE OF RUNNING TOURNAMENTS THAN HARRIS COUNTY IS.
AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE AGREEMENT THAT HAS TO BE WORKED OUT WITH HARRIS COUNTY.
SO LIKE THE BAYTOWN SAINT SIMILAR TO THAT.
WHAT'S THAT? IT'S IN THE BAY, LIKE THE BAYTOWN SAINT SOCCER OR THE BAYTOWN SOCCER PARK.
THE BAYTOWN SOCCER COMPLEX IS A HARRIS COUNTY PRECINCT THREE PARK.
AND IT'S JUST THE ADDRESS BAYTOWN? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
IT'S JUST THE ADDRESS THAT SAYS BAYTOWN A HARRIS COUNTY PRECINCT THREE PARK THAT IS OWNED AND OPERATED BY HARRIS COUNTY PRECINCT THREE.
THIS ONE TO GILBERT'S POINT WOULD BE A PUBLIC, PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WHERE JEAN AND LORETTA RUSSELL ESTATE WOULD PAY FOR THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE OF THE FACILITY AND THE PARK HARRIS COUNTY WOULD BE THAT ENTITY THAT TAKES ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF ENSURING THE MAINTENANCE IS HAPPENING.
AND THEN BAYTOWN WILL STILL OWN THE ACTUAL DIRT AND THE FACILITY ON THE PROPERTY.
SO, SO BEFORE LAST WEEK, THIS WAS A SOLID NO FOR ME.
THEN LAST WEEK IT CAME INTO A REAL GOOD MAY MAYBE, BUT NOW THAT I JUST HEARD THAT IS BACK TO A NO.
VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING NORTH OF WALLACE FIELD, WHERE ALL OF THOSE 800 NEW HOMES ARE GOING IN ARE NOT BAYTOWN CITIZENS.
THEY DON'T PAY PROPERTY TAXES AT BAYTOWN.
AND SO THEY'RE NOT PAYING FOR THAT BOND WAY THAT YOU'RE FIXING TO PUTTING A BUILDING PARK.
SO YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY BUILDING A PARK FOR A WHOLE BUNCH OF NON BAYTOWN RESIDENTS ON THE OTHER SIDE WHO CHOOSE TO LIVE OUT THERE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY VACANT PROPERTY TAXES.
EVERYBODY NORTH OF BIG TOWN EXCEPT LIKE, UM, THE ONE ON JOHN MARTIN.
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IT'S PART, IT'S, IT'S COMPLICATED.THERE'S A LOT OF ETJ OUT THERE.
SO THEY DON'T, THEY'LL THEY'LL BE THE PRIMARY BENEFICIARIES OF THAT PARK BECAUSE IT'S GONNA GET OUT THERE IN THE BACKYARD.
BUT THEY'RE NOT PAYING FOR ANY OF THE BOND FUNDING TO DO IT TO MAKE THAT POINT.
THE OTHER ISSUE IS I JUST THINK BAYTOWN PARK DEPARTMENT CAN DO A MUCH BETTER JOB OF RUNNING THAT PARK.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL THE SOCCER PARK THAT WE DEAL WITH THE COUNTY IS, IS I HARDLY, I'M JUMPING DOWN THAT ROAD EVERY DAY.
I HAVE TWO CLIENTS THAT I HAVE TO DRIVE PAST THAT ALMOST EVERY FREAKING DAY.
I CAN GIVE YOU AN INSIGHT, CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE INSIGHT.
THE BAYTOWN SOCCER PARK, EVEN THOUGH IT SHOULD BE RUN BY HARRIS COUNTY AND THEY DO TAKE A GOOD INFRASTRUCTURE PART OF IT.
UNTIL RECENTLY, THE BAYTOWN HAS A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS THAT MOW IT, SEAT IT AND WORK WITH IT.
YES, IT IS YOU TOURNAMENTS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
IF YOU DRAG ON THE DAY, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE.
BUT IF YOU GO PAST SIX YES, YOU CAN SEE AT LEAST 50, 60 CARS OUT THERE.
SO GIVEN THAT THERE'S A LOT UNKNOWN, THIS PROJECT READY RIGHT NOW IS NOW A NO FOR ME.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON REGINA RED RUSSELL PARK? I SAY YES, THERE'S GRANT MONEY, IT'S, IT'S 5,000 COMPARED TO ALL THE MILLION.
I WISH 5,000 A MILLION COMPARED TO THE OTHER POT OF GOLD THAT'S THERE.
YEAH, PEOPLE ARE GONNA USE IT FROM BAYTOWN.
THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE THE, THAT'S THE CHAMPIONSHIP FIELD, RIGHT? THE YEAH.
CHAMPIONSHIP CALIBER, BASEBALL FIELD TOURNAMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT'S REALLY NOT, THAT'S PROVIDED THIS WEEK HAS THE UPDATES NARRATIVE.
JASON GAVE THE PRESENTATION, WE ADDED THAT.
THAT SO ONE NO AND EVERYBODY ELSE'S.
DO WE HAVE A PARK IN TOWN THAT'S COMPARABLE TO THIS THAT WOULD BE COMPARABLE ONCE IT'S BUILT? IS IT, WOULD IT BE COMPARABLE TO JENKINS OR IF IT, IF IT IS BUILT THE WAY THAT IT'S DESIGNED NOW TO BE COMPARABLE WITH WAYNE GRAY.
SO WE HAD A FEW MORE NOS THAN JUST ONE.
ARE THE OTHER NODES MORE BASED ON THE REASON THAT WHERE THE LOCATION IS AT AND THE MAJORITY IT'S JUST NORTH OF, UH, TOWN WHERE THOSE TAXPAYERS ARE GONNA BENEFIT FROM THE PARK? IS THAT KIND OF WHERE THE, THE KNOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT THEY DOWN TAXPAYERS? THAT'S MY POINT.
NO, BUT HE WAS ASKING THEM WHAT, WHY ARE THEY SAYING NO? THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF IT.
BUT PART OF IT ALSO FOR ME IS KNOWING THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FUND ALL OF THESE PROJECTS.
I'D RATHER SPEND THAT 5 MILLION ON THE FIRE STATION DESIGN AND ACQUISITION.
IF, IF WE HAVE TO PICK AND CHOOSE.
I'M, I'M CHOOSING FIRE STATION.
SO IT'S NUMBER FOUR RATHER THAN THIS PART.
WE'RE WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA, I PROMISE Y'ALL WE'RE WE'RE, IT'S ALL GONNA CLOSE IN.
IT WON'T CLOSE IN TONIGHT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE CLOSING IN SOON, RIGHT? UH, LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE HERE.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE UM, WHAT THE, WHAT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST LIBRARY, BUT I THOUGHT THE JEAN WAS THE EASY ONE.
YOUR SUGGESTIONS AREN'T SO GOOD RIGHT NOW.
OOH, THAT ME, WELL LET'S TALK ABOUT EL CHACO STREET PINEHURST.
I TALKED TO SOMEBODY THAT LIVES OVER THERE.
AND EVEN THE PEOPLE FROM THE HOA THAT MEET OVER THERE, NOBODY'S COMPLAINED ABOUT IT OR NOTHING.
IS IT LIKE A INTERNAL SEWER DRAINAGE THING OR, I DON'T KNOW IF I MISSED THAT.
SO THAT WAS NUMBER SEVEN ON THE CITY'S PRIORITY LIST.
WHAT, WHY WAS IT SO HIGH ON THOSE LIST? YES.
WHO LIVES THERE? UH, JUST THE STREET CONDITIONS AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS TEND TO GO OUT FIVE YEARS, SO YOU HAVE TO UP STREET CONDITION.
THAT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
IF YOU DON'T FUND IT NOW, THEN PROBABLY SEVEN YEARS.
SO THIS IS JUST A DIG IT UP, PUT THE ASPHALT
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STREET IN.WOULD IT BE INCLUDED IF THIS PROJECT WASN'T FUNDED? WOULD IT BE INCLUDED IN THE ANNUAL RENEWAL? UM, IT COULD BE, BUT IT IS, IT'S A LARGE PROJECT SO IT WOULD TAKE UP A LOT OF THE MONEY WITHIN THAT.
SO WE COULD THAT, THAT IT'S PART OF THAT PROGRAM.
UH, WE JUST CALL IT CERTAIN STREETS THAT WERE LARGER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE MORE THAN EVEN THE ANNUAL AMOUNT.
BUT IF YOU GET FUNDED AND IT GOES OKAY WITH THE BOND, WITH THE ASPHALT, WITH ALL THOSE 31 STREETS AND THE OTHER ONES THAT ARE LONG, THE DFE AND STERLING, YOU'LL HAVE MONEY THAT'S NOT BEING INPUTTED THAT 'CAUSE IT'S ON THE BOND TO DO O CHACO BY YOURSELF.
SO IF THE BOND IS COVERING ALL THESE OTHER STREETS THAT ARE THE MAIN ONES, EXCEPT ONE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MONEY, THE CITY'S GONNA HAVE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO TAKE IT OUT OF POCKET.
'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY FUNDED THROUGH THE BOND ON THE OTHER ONES.
AM I EXPLAINING THERE'S A WEEK CITY MANAGER SAID THERE'S NO CASH YEAH.
WHY IS THAT? I CAN SHOW Y'ALL, LIKE IF Y'ALL WANT ME TO LIKE GO THROUGH HOW ALL THE FUNDING WORKS, I DON'T MIND IN A VERY SIMPLE MANNER, LIKE DRAWING IT UP THERE SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE WHERE IT'S AT.
IF Y'ALL WANNA FINISH THIS, I CAN SAY AFTER AND REPORT THROUGH, WALK THROUGH IT WITH Y'ALL.
SO THIS, THIS WAS, I THINK THE WAY IT WAS EXPLAINED EARLIER, THIS STREET COULD BE IN THAT $20 MILLION, BUT IT WAS SO LONG AND SO MUCH MONEY IT WAS TAKEN OUT OF THAT SCOPE OF WORK.
'CAUSE IT THAT, THAT WOULD'VE KNOCKED OUT A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER STREETS IN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN.
SO, SO THE 20 MILLION IS MORE BANG FOR THE BUCK AND TAKING EL TACO OUT.
IT'S THE SMALLEST STREETS THAT YES, WE CAN GROUP THEM TOGETHER.
WE WANT TO CALL OUT EACH INDIVIDUALLY IF THEY'RE SMALL STREETS BECAUSE THAT GETS KIND OVERWHELMING.
CAN WE PUT THAT ONE ON HOPE? I SAID PUT THAT ON.
I SAID EITHER NO OR WAIT ON THAT.
LET, LET'S, YOU MADE A COMMENT THOUGH.
I WANT TO BRING UP NOW BEFORE WE GET TO THE END.
WE, I DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BOND LANGUAGE WILL BE ON THE BOND, HOW THEY DESCRIBED THAT.
BUT YOU BETTER BE REALLY CAREFUL ON A BOND THAT WHATEVER YOU PUT ON THAT BOND AND YOU, THAT'S WHAT YOU GO OUT AND SELL TO THE COMMUNITY THAT THAT GIVES WHAT YOU BETTER DO.
SO IF YOU LIST ALL THESE STREETS BETTER NOT PUT ANOTHER STREET NEAR BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA KNOW AND THEY'LL COME BACK AND SAY, YOU GOTTA DO WHAT YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING DO IN THE BOND.
THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW BOND SCOPES OF WORK OR, AND AND YOU ASK VOTERS TO, TO AGREE TO IT.
THAT'S TYPICALLY YOU'RE TRYING TO SHOW 'EM YOU'RE DOING WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY VOTED ON.
NOT WITHSTANDING SOME EMERGENCY CHANGE.
I KNOW LIKE SOME SCHOOL DISTRICT PROJECTS DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE THEY SHUT THE SCHOOL DOWN.
SO WHY KEEP, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S A COUNCIL DECISION AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THE MONEY.
BUT YEAH, IT'S, IT IS DO WHAT YOU SAY YOU'RE GONNA DO.
IT'S, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF SOMETHING THAT, LET'S TALK ABOUT.
UM, DOES SOMEONE WANT TO ADJUST WEST STERLING? LET'S DO THAT.
LET'S TALK ABOUT WEST STERLING.
EVERYONE FAMILIAR WITH THAT? THE ROAD? YES.
THAT MOST THAT, THAT'S A VERY DRIVEN STREET, ESPECIALLY WHEN PEOPLE GO TO THE TOWN HALL.
I MEAN THE TOWN SQUARE AND YOU HAVE FUNCTIONS OUT THERE.
THEY USE WEST STERLING AND WEST DFE A LOT.
WE TALKED ABOUT WEST STERLING AND DFE.
IF THEY WERE TOGETHER, IT'D BE LIKE A FOUR LANE BOULEVARD, RIGHT? TWO LANES ONE WAY, TWO LANES THE OTHER.
AND THEY, THEY DO, THEY DO HANDLE A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT STAYS OFF OF TEXAS AVENUE, WHICH IS THE OTHER EAST WEST CORRIDOR.
YOU KNOW, THAT PARALLELS THOSE TWO STREETS.
UH, I, I LIVE IN THAT AREA DURING THE DAY.
I KNOW THE TRAFFIC ON DEFENSE AND STERNLY, I DON'T HAVE TRAFFIC COUNTS.
UM, BUT, AND I DROVE SOME OF THE ROAD AND THERE'S SECTIONS AND I THINK IT'S LIKE THE AVERAGE THEY GIVE US HERE IS ACROSS THE WHOLE STRETCH.
NOT LIKE THE WHOLE ROAD IS IS BAD OR WHATEVER.
SO LET'S, LET'S, LET'S TALK, LET'S TALK STERLING AVENUE.
AND THE REASON IS, UH, IT'S THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE STREET FROM NORTH MAINE ALL THE WAY TO DECKER.
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ASSUMING THAT IF WE ALL AGREE ON WEST STERLING, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH GONNA AGREE ON WEST.I'M NOT ASSUMING THAT
JUST ASKING, I NOT ASSUMING ANYTHING'S GONNA HAPPEN.
WELL, WE COULD KNOCK BOTH OF THEM OUT.
WHO'S IN AGREEMENT WITH BOTH STREETS? YES.
WHY WAS THAT RATED SO LOW ON Y'ALL'S LIST? YOU RATED 22.
SO THE CONDITION IS NOT THAT BAD AS COMPARED TO OTHER STREETS.
NOT BECAUSE I WAS A PCI, I THINK IT'S 54 PCI THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS AGREEMENT YOU LIVE WITH.
IF YOU HAD TO, YOU COULD LIVE WITH IT IF YOU HAD TO.
BUT LONG TERM PLANNING AND MOBILITY AND MAJOR THOROUGH, NO.
WELL, STERLING, WE'RE DOING MORE THAN JUST THE STREET THOUGH.
SO STERLING, BOTH OF THEM HAVE COMPONENTS OF, OF SEWER LINES, WATER LINES, DRAINAGE, FIRE IMPROVEMENTS, THAT GOES STUFF.
BUT TEXAS AVENUE, THEY'RE JUST CONSISTENT.
SO, SO THOSE, THOSE TWO STREETS ARE MORE THAN JUST THE STREET, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S EVERYTHING UNDERNEATH.
SO MIKE'S A NO SO ONE, NO MIKE'S A NO.
SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS, EVERYONE, EVERYONE WAS CLEAR ON THE D NUMBERS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE SECTION'S ALREADY GONNA BE DONE WITHOUT US AGREEING ON ANYTHING.
THERE'S A SECTION OF DFE, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
SO THIS WOULD JUST COMPLETE DFE FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER.
UM, ANY CHANGE OF THOUGHTS ON JUST DOING DFE TO MATCH UP WITH WHAT'S ALREADY GONNA HAPPEN? IT'S A NOTE FOR ME.
CAN WE SEE A VOTE OF YESES? SO, I MEAN, DO WE GOT ANYBODY? ANYBODY? UH, SO WE GOT MOST FOLKS KIND OF IN FAVOR OF THAT.
ALRIGHT, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT THAT.
I'M NOT GONNA PUT A CHECK BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALL THERE, BUT WE'LL GET THERE.
IS THIS JUST FOR STERLING? CORRECT.
IT'S THE BOTH, BOTH STERLING AND DEY.
YEAH, I THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT TO, TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE CITY RANKED THEM THIS WAY, BUT WE, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO USE THE CITY COULDN'T RANK EVERYTHING ONE THROUGH 10 EITHER, RIGHT? THEY HAD TO PUSH SOME STUFF BACK JUST LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, SO IT'S CALLED FORCED RANKING.
THERE'S GONNA BE A NUMBER ONE, THERE'S GONNA BE A NUMBER 29 NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT, RIGHT? WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH IS A GROUP OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA CALL NUMBER ONES.
ALRIGHT? BECAUSE WHAT WE RECOMMEND IS WHAT WE BELIEVE NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
AND THEY WON'T BE ONE THROUGH 10.
THEY'LL BE, THEY'LL BE ONES RIGHT WHEN WE GET THERE.
SO I UNDERSTAND THE RANKING THE CITY GAVE AND HE JUST GAVE AN EXPLANATION BECAUSE THEY COULD MAINTAIN IT ANOTHER FIVE OR SIX YEARS.
AND, AND THEN IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE DEALT WITH AS THE ROAD CONTINUES TO DETERIORATE.
SO THEY CAN LIVE WITH IT AND WE CAN ALL LIVE WITH IT, BUT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, WE, WE MADE SOME PROGRESS AND OUR WE'RE WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE END OF OUR TIME.
SO I WANT TO SPEND A COUPLE OF MINUTES ON D DOES, DOES ANYONE WANT TO OFFER UP ANY THOUGHTS ON HOW WE COMPARE A PARK PROJECT TO A STREET PROJECT? ARE THEY HEAD TO HEAD PARKS, DON'T MATTER.
WHERE ARE WE AT? WELL, I, I KNOW I LIKE CLIFF, I LOVE PARKS, BUT I'M LOOKING AT WHAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA SEE ON THE BALLOT AND THEY'RE GONNA SAY MY DOLLARS AND FOR REPAIRING ROADS AND DRAINAGE AND STUFF.
I MEAN, THEY'RE GONNA GO FOR NEEDS.
NOT ONCE, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S JUST THE WAY I LOOK AT IT.
I'M LOOKING AT TAXPAYERS' MONEY AND HOW THEY WANT TO LOOK AT IT.
THE, WE ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF PARKS.
WE NEED TO MAINTAIN THEM AS, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TEAMS COMING HERE WITH THAT MONEY GOING INTO GENERAL FUND.
THAT GENERAL FUND NEEDS TO BE, UH, UPKEEPING THE, THE PARKS MAYBE LATER DOWN THE ROAD YOU CAN PUT A PROPOSITION DOWN, UH, FURTHER DOWN FOR SEPARATED ON THE BALLOT WHERE INFRASTRUCTURE AND PARKS AND LET THE PEOPLE VOTE.
OKAY? IF, IF EACH BOND COMMITTEE TOOK THAT DIRECTION, WE WOULD NOT HAVE A SINGLE PARK IN BAYTOWN.
I KNOW LAST IN 2007 PARKS WAS IN THERE AND THEY VOTED OKAY, BUT IT WAS SEPARATE AND I NOT CORRECT.
WELL THAT THESE WILL BE SEPARATE, SEPARATE BALLOT.
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SEPARATE ON, ON, ON THESE BALLOTS.YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, UM, I HAVE A YOUNG FAMILY.
WE'RE IN THE PARKS AT LEAST THREE, FOUR TIMES A WEEK.
YOU KNOW, WE PLAY SOCCER, WE GO TO JENKINS, THERE'S A BLUE HERON NEXT TO MY HOUSE.
SO, UM, A LOT OF THESE THINGS TAKE PLANNING.
THE WAY JENKINS IS RIGHT NOW IS NOT BECAUSE THE CITY ALL OF A SUDDEN DECIDED YOU WANNA MAKE A GOOD PARK AT JENKINS.
IT TOOK LAND AND ACQUISITION, IT TOOK A LOT OF PLANNING, A LOT OF CAPITAL TO BE UP FRONT TO MAKE IT HOW IT IS RIGHT NOW AND BE SO FRIENDLY AND USEFUL FOR, FOR WHOEVER GOES THERE.
BUT YEAH, LIKE WE WOULDN'T HAVE A PARK, WE WOULDN'T HAVE PARKS BECAUSE IT IS, IT'S, YOU JUST HAVE TO PLAN FOR IT.
UM, AND IT WOULDN'T BE AS NICE IF THAT PLANNING WASN'T, AND THAT CAPITAL WASN'T PUT UP FRONT FOR PEOPLE TO, TO, TO PLAN FOR IT.
AND AGAIN, THEY COULD BE SEPARATE.
LET ME, UH, WELL THEY, YEAH, THAT'S, NO, WE WOULD BE SEPARATE.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT HEAD TO HEAD.
I'M TALKING ABOUT US INTERNALLY, NOT, NOT THE VOTERS THAT THEY, THEY HAVE TO BE SEPARATED.
YOU CAN'T HAVE A BIG OLD PILE OF STUFF.
THEY, YOU GOTTA BREAK 'EM INTO CATEGORIES THAT, THAT PEOPLE CAN VOTE ON.
SO YOU DON'T BURY SOMETHING IN THERE.
SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT SETTLED ON ANY OF THE PARK PROJECTS YET.
'CAUSE I STILL HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT SELLING HOW, HOWEVER, LET ME SAY THIS, PARKS USUALLY DO VERY WELL IN BOND ELECTIONS.
IF YOU GO LOOK HISTORICALLY AROUND ONE OF MY LITTLE QUIRKS WHEN I'M REALLY BORED AT WORK ON A CONFERENCE CALLS, I GO LOOK AT PAST BOND ELECTIONS FROM OTHER CITIES AROUND THE AREA AND JUST SEE WHAT THEY WERE ON, HOW THEY VOTE OUT.
AND YOU'LL LOOK 90% OF THE TIME PARK PROJECTS.
WELL THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S AN AMENITY TO THE CITIZENS LIVE THERE BECAUSE THEY WANT SOMEPLACE TO GET OUTTA THEIR HOUSE.
AND SO THEY, THEY TYPICALLY WILL SELL WELL IF IT'S A GOOD PARK.
AND IF YOU DON'T PLAN FOR PARK, YOU WON'T HAVE PARTS AND PARKS.
IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK, GOD, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I, I KNOW YOU SAID YOU SEE THESE, THESE LIST OF THINGS FROM ALL THESE VARIOUS COMMUNITIES ALL AROUND AUSTIN, DALLAS, AND EVERY ONE OF 'EM IS ALWAYS MORE GREEN SPACE, MORE GREEN SPACE, MORE GREEN SPACE.
SOMETIMES THERE WANTS AND SOMETIMES THERE NEEDS, BUT THEY'RE AN AMENITY THAT WILL WITHDRAW PEOPLE.
AND SOMETIMES IN THESE BONDS YOU JUST GOTTA DO SOME THINGS THAT ARE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE FAMILIES AND THE COMMUNITY AND THAT'S WHAT PARK.
UM, GILBERT, EXCUSE ME, WAS THE TOTAL BOND ALL THESE PROJECTS, AM I NOT CORRECT? WAS $242,242 MILLION A THOUSAND.
SO, SO LET ME, LET ME, LET ME TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES AND WE'LL END ON THIS.
UH, THIS 2007 BOND BUILT PIRATES BAY, IT BUILT CALYPSO CODE AND IT BUILT SPLASH PADS ALL AROUND THE CITY.
AND IT WAS SEPARATE FROM $30 MILLION TO FREE ASPHALT ROADS.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE COMPLETELY SEPARATE THINGS, RIGHT? THERE WERE FIRE STATIONS IN THERE BUILDING FIRE STATIONS.
NOT, NOT JUST DESIGN AND ACQUISITION, BUT GO BUILD THEM THERE.
THERE WAS $8 MILLION IN THERE TO PARTNER WITH TXDOT TO GET THE FLYOVERS ON 1 46 AND THREE 30 DONE.
OKAY? IT WOULDN'T HAVE, IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DONE AT THE TIME IT WAS DONE HAD THAT 8 MILLION, THE CITIZENS NOT VOTED $8 MILLION FOR THEIR BENEFIT ON MOBILITY IN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN.
SO MIKE IS RIGHT, HISTORICALLY BONDS HAVE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS TO 'EM.
AND YOU CAN SAY ONE'S A NEED, ONE'S A ONE, BUT OUR CITIZENS NEED PARK AMENITIES.
OUR CITIZENS NEED SAFE MOBILITY.
OUR CITIZENS NEED EMERGENCY RESPONSE TO, TO EMERGENCY NEEDS, RIGHT? YOU CAN CATEGORIZE THOSE ALL DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT THEY'RE ALL VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR CITY.
I'M GONNA LOOK AT IT THIS WAY.
WE THE CITY HAVE NOT DONE THIS IN 18 YEARS.
THAT'S 18 YEARS OF PEOPLE TURNING VOTING AIDS THAT HAVE NEVER VOTED IN A CITY GEO BOND ELECTION.
THAT'S EVERY CITIZEN WHO'S MOVED TO BAYTOWN IN THE LAST 18 YEARS HAS NEVER VOTED IN A GEO BOND ELECTION.
OKAY? THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE NEVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A SAY SO IN HOW TO IMPROVE THE CITY OF BAYTOWN.
SO I'M NOT STUCK IN A RUT ON ALL THIS OTHER STUFF.
I'M LOOKING AT THE POSITIVE OUTCOME THIS CAN HAVE AND THE CITIZENS GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A SAY SO IN IT.
SO THE WAY WE PRESENT IS GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT.
THE OPPORTUNITY THE CITIZENS HAVE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA VOTE AGAINST EVERYTHING YOU ALWAYS DO.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE ONES THAT THEY'LL
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VOTE FOR ANYTHING.WE LIKE THOSE, RIGHT? BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE FOLKS THAT FOR 18 YEARS HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO VOTE IN THE GEO BOND ELECTION.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE THE CITY OF BAYTOWN IN AS MANY AREAS AS WE CAN.
SO THAT'S WHY I SAY WHEN WE START LOOKING AT HOW WE'RE GONNA FUNNEL ALL THIS DOWN, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO ONE OF US, MAYBE A LITTLE DIFFERENT TO OTHER, BUT CAN YOU, CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? CAN YOU, CAN YOU UNDERSTAND WHY PARKS ARE IMPORTANT? CAN YOU UNDERSTAND WHY DRAINAGE IMPROVED? CAN YOU UNDERSTAND WHY DESIGN AND LAND ACQUISITION TO PLAN AHEAD? CAN YOU UNDERSTAND WHY PARTNERING WITH COUNTIES AND FAMILIES WHO BOUGHT LAND AND GAVE IT TO THE CITY, RIGHT? AND ARE WILLING TO PONY UP MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO BUILD SOMETHING FOR US.
AND I GET US MEANS A LOT MORE THAN JUST CITIZENS BUT US, ALL OF US HERE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, RIGHT? SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA PULL THIS TOGETHER.
UH, MIGHT TRY TO SEND SOME INFORMATION OUT BETWEEN, NOW REMEMBER WE DON'T MEET NEXT WEEK, TWO WEEKS WE'LL BE BACK AND, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL KEEP GOING.
YES, JASON, ANYBODY? I'M GOING TO QUICKLY GO OVER THE, THE FIN LINE.
YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD QUESTION ON EXTRA CASH AND JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS ON WHY THERE'S NO CASH IN THE CITY POPPERS, OKAY? JUST REALLY QUICKLY, I'VE PROBABLY SEEN THIS BEFORE.
HISTORICALLY OUR REVENUE IS THERE, OUR EXPENSES WERE HERE.
THIS GAP WAS ROUGHLY $10 MILLION.
THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE TALK ABOUT BEFORE.
AND THIS WAS FOR DECADES PLUS OF HAVING $10 MILLION EXTRA IN CASH, OKAY? WITH THE SENATE BILL TWO IN 2019.
AND THEN THE COUNCIL'S PHILOSOPHY TO GO TOWARDS THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, ONLY THAT REVENUE, THIS LINE SHIFTED FROM THIS TO THIS.
OKAY? AND SO THAT GAP WENT FROM 10 MILLION AND I THINK LAST YEAR WHEN WE BUDGETED, WE WERE ACTUALLY AT MAYBE A HUNDRED THOUSAND, MAYBE A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN CLOSE TO ZERO.
SO WITH THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, WHICH IS RIGHT AROUND BUDGET TIME EVERY YEAR THEY SAY IF YOU GO ANYWHERE ABOVE NO NEW REVENUE, THAT IS A TAX INCREASE BY HOW THE LAW IS DEFINED.
ANYTHING ABOVE THE NOTED REVENUE RATE IS A TAX INCREASE.
AND SO COUNCIL'S PHILOSOPHY IS TO DO NO NEW REVENUE AND IT MEANS EXACTLY THAT.
AND SO WHEN THE TAX RATE, SO LIKE THIS YEAR IT'S 70 CENTS, IT WILL MOST LIKELY GO TO 68 CENTS FOR THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE.
THE AMOUNT COLLECTED FOR THAT FOR THIS YEAR FOR 26 OR FOR FOR 2025 WAS 26 MILLION.
THAT MEANS TO DO THE NO NEW REVENUE, YOU'LL COLLECT EXACTLY 26 MILLION AGAIN FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
THERE'S, AND THERE'S NO EXTRA CASH.
OKAY? AND SO HOW THE BUDGET IS, SORRY, THE BUDGET FOR THE REVENUE, THE REVENUE FOR THE CITY IS ROUGHLY 140 MILLION IN THE GENERAL FUND.
THE EXPENSES FOR THE CITY ARE ROUGHLY $140 MILLION.
OKAY? IF YOU DO A COLA INCREASE A COST OF LIVING INCREASE FOR THE EMPLOYEES.
THE EMPLOYEES COST JUST, WE HAVE A THOUSAND EMPLOYEES IN BAYTOWN.
I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL KNOW THAT OR NOT, BUT WE HAVE A THOUSAND EMPLOYEES.
THE THOUSAND EMPLOYEES EQUAL $100 MILLION OF THIS $140 MILLION FOR THE GENERAL FUND.
A 1% INCREASE IN COST OF LIVING IS 1 MILLION, 2%.
THE ONE FACTOR THAT DOESN'T FACTOR INTO THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE IS NEW GROWTH.
SO ANY NEW HOMES OR WAREHOUSES THAT ARE BUILT IN THE CITY, THEY DON'T COUNT AGAINST THIS 26 MILLION.
ON AVERAGE, THE NEW GROWTH, NEW GROWTH EQUALS 1.5 TO $2 MILLION.
SO ANY NEW GROWTH THAT'S ADDED TO THIS 26 MILLION IS EATEN UP IMMEDIATELY BY A 1% COST OF LIVING RAISE OR A 2% COST OF LIVING RAISE FOR THE EMPLOYEES.
THERE IS NO OTHER CASH FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
THE ONLY WAY TO GET THAT IS TO GO TO THE A VOTER APPROVAL RATE, WHICH IS ROUGHLY A VARIANCE.
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2026, MOST LIKELY IT'S GONNA BE 68 CENTS.THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS 70 CENTS.
OKAY? MOST LIKELY, I DON'T KNOW THOSE NUMBERS YET.
OKAY? THAT EXTRA 2 CENTS IS ONLY AN EXTRA TWO TO $3 MILLION.
SO 2 CENTS ONLY BRINGS IN ROUGHLY AN EXTRA $2 MILLION.
ON TOP OF THIS ARE NO NEW REVENUE RATE.
HOW BAYTOWN FUNCTIONS, WHO PAYS, WHO PAYS THE MOST MONEY TO THE CITY OF BAYTOWN DAVIS? WHAT'S THAT? DAVIS? YEAH.
AND WHO, WHICH BUSINESS PAYS THE MOST? EXXON, EXXON, EXXON, CHEVRON ENTERPRISE AND MOON STAR PAY THE MOST.
THEY PAY ROUGHLY $66 MILLION OF THE 140 THAT COMES IN.
OKAY? EVERY TIME THAT WE GO TO THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, THIS DECREASES BECAUSE THIS IS BUILT OFF OF THE, THE TAX RATE.
AND SO WHAT HAPPENS? AND MARK, I'M GLAD TO RECORD IT.
WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN WE'VE BEEN DECREASING OUR TAX RATE, OKAY, IBA MONEY, WHICH THAT'S THE EXXON STUFF.
OVER THE YEARS IT WAS GROWING LIKE THIS.
AND AS SOON AS WE HIT 2019 WITH THE SENATE BILL TWO AND DECREASING THE TAX RATE WITH THE NO NEW REVENUE, THIS HAS ACTUALLY GONE DOWN PROPERTY TAX.
YOUR PROPERTY TAX HAS GONE UP.
SO THE VERY THING THAT WAS DESIGNED, THE VERY EXACT THING THAT WAS DESIGNED TO HELP YOU LOWER YOUR PROPERTY TAX IS CREATING MORE OF A BURDEN FOR YOU TO PAY THE DIFFERENCE AND DECREASING THE BURDEN ON EXXON.
AND SO IF YOU STAY AT THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE, SO IF YOU JUST STAY AT 70 CENTS, THIS WILL CONTINUE TO GROW AND THIS WILL CONTINUE TO PLATEAU.
AND THAT THAT NUMBER, JUST MATHEMATICALLY THAT NUMBER DOESN'T INCLUDE THE CURRENT PROPERTY TAX BILL THAT HAS PASSED THE HOUSE OF THE SENATE BUT HAS IS GONNA BE VOTED ON IN NOVEMBER, WHICH RAISED THE HOME PAY EXEMPTIONS.
IS THAT JUST FOR SCHOOL DISTRICT? THAT'S JUST SCHOOL DISTRICT.
WE'RE WEIRDLY COLLEGE DOING THAT WITH THE SAME YEP, ABSOLUTELY SAME.
ALL STUFF I'LL HAPPEN TO TALK ABOUT LIKE TO SAY, BUT I KNOW I POUR MOST PEOPLE TO.
JASON, THANK YOU FOR THE ECONOMICS CLASS.
SO JASON
THE THING IS RIGHT NOW I'M GONNA SEE IF WE GET A CLARIFICATION BEFORE YOU DID WHAT WAS HAPPENING BEFORE 2019 BEFORE LEGISLATURE CHANGED AND, AND IT FLATTENED OUT.
THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE FUNDING TO DO ALL THE THINGS THAT WE WERE DOING, RIGHT? CO BONDS AND TO HANDLE ALL THAT AND ALL THE WORK GOING ON.
THE, THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT DEBT, AND THIS IS WHERE YOU DON'T GET TO TALK ABOUT A LOT.
LIKE EVERYBODY'S LIKE, HEY DON'T USE COS WE NEED TO USE GOS 'CAUSE THE CITIZENS NEED TO VOTE ON IT.
NOT ARGUING, ARGUING THAT PHILOSOPHICAL PIECE WHATSOEVER.
OKAY? NOT ARGUING THAT AT ALL.
WHEN YOU DO COS OKAY, AND YOU HAVE THAT 70 CENTS SAY WE WANT TO KEEP THIS, THE TAX RATE EXACTLY THE SAME FOR A VERY LONG PERIOD WHEN YOU ISSUE COS YOU CAN PLAN WHAT THAT TAX RATE IS GONNA BE OUT OVER TIME.
OKAY? IF THE GO FAILS, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TAX RATE IS, IT'S GONNA FLUCTUATE OVER AND OVER.
NOW IF IT PASSES AND YOU HAVE A GREAT, YOU HAVE A GREAT UH, BASE THAT CONTINUES TO PASS GEOS, YOU CAN KEEP THE, THE DEBT RATE, THE STEADY OVER THE YEARS, UH, JUST LIKE YOU CAN TO CO BUT RIGHT NOW WHEN YOU'RE KICKING OFF, IT MAKES IT VERY VOLATILE BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA PASS OR NOT.
AND SO THE TAX RATE COULD DIP, RIGHT? SO IF YOU GO IN THINKING, IF YOU GO IN THINKING LIKE, HEY, WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T NEED TO PASS THIS, WE ONLY NEED TO ISSUE $20 MILLION OF BONDS INSTEAD OF $200 MILLION OF BONDS, YOUR TAX RATE WILL GO DOWN.
BUT AT SOME POINT WHEN YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THE STUFF TO GO UP, IT'S GONNA BE A MASSIVE INCREASE.
AND SO THE, THE IDEOLOGY AT THAT POINT IS TO CONTINUE DEBT AT A STEADY RATE, A HEALTHY RATE, NOT CRAZY, BUT AT A HEALTHY RATE SO THAT YOUR TAX RATE STAYS RELATIVELY FLAT, UH, WITH DEBT
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TO PAPER INFRASTRUCTURE.SO ON THAT NOTE, MIKE AND I KNOW, AND ANY OF US WHO HAVE BEEN ON PRIOR BOND COMMITTEES YEARS AGO, EVERY TIME THERE WAS A GEO BOND, IT ALWAYS CAME WITH A TAX INCREASE.
AND IT WAS, SINCE IT WASN'T LIKE A LITTLE BIT, IT WAS 4, 5, 6, SCHOOL DISTRICT COULD BE 10 12 BECAUSE OF EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, YOU, YOU COULDN'T PREDICT WHAT THE TAX RATE WAS GONNA BE.
AND WHEN YOU PUT A BOND OUT, YOU ALWAYS SHOWED THE TAX RATE INCREASE YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR, RIGHT.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME, AND I, I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING THIS AT LEE COLLEGE ALSO, THAT THERE ARE, THERE'S ACTUALLY HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT YOU COULD BORROW AND NOT AFFECT THE TAX RATE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
BECAUSE THE INS THE INTEREST SINKING PART HAS STABILIZED ITS FUNDING, IT'S PAYING DOWN AS YOU GO AND ADDING MORE DEBT ON THE END JUST KEEPS THAT TAX RATE THE SAME.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT $250 MILLION FOR A PENNY, MAN IN, IN THE OLD DAYS, A A A PENNY DIDN'T GET YOU ANYTHING.
I WAS VERY SURPRISED WHEN WE SAW THAT INFORMATION UP FRONT.
SO, BUT JASON'S EXPLAINED HOW THINGS HAVE GONE.
THE, THE, THE COUNCIL'S AGREED TO NO NEW REVENUE RATE.
UM, SO, SO ANYWAY, IT'S A GOOD LESSON.
THANK YOU JASON FOR THAT INFORMATION.
I HOPE IT HELP EVERYONE UNDERSTAND WE'RE DEALING WITH THE INTEREST IN SINKING PART OF THE TAX RATE, WHICH IS NOT THE WHOLE 77, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.