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GOT TWO 11 OF US HERE, SO WE'RE[1. CALL TO ORDER]
IN GOOD SHAPE.WE'RE JUST NOW GETTING STARTED.
WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO TODAY, GETTING HARD TOO.
YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN SOME UPDATES OR CURRENT INFORMATION ON, UH, ON ALL THESE PROJECTS.
AND THE BOOK IS BROKEN OUT BY THE FIVE CATEGORIES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME.
AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE, WE HAVEN'T DONE, AND, AND I I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AFTERWARDS, IS THE FEW FOLKS WHO WERE IN THE, UH, WHEN WE SEPARATED, WHO WENT TO THE OTHER ROOM, WHO WERE LOOKING AT AT PARKS AND FACILITIES, HAD A LOT OF GOOD DISCUSSION ON THOSE PROJECTS.
AND WHAT I REALIZED IS THE BULK OF THE FOLKS WHO WERE NOT IN THAT ROOM DIDN'T HEAR, DIDN'T GET THE BENEFIT OF THAT CONVERSATION.
SO WHO, WHO WAS IN THE, WHO WAS OVER IN THE PARKS AND, AND BUILDINGS, THE THREE OF YOU.
SO WHAT I WANNA DO IS TAKE A FEW MINUTES OF THIS MEETING.
[a. Discussion and possible action regarding the review and prioritization of potential General Obligation-funded bond projects.]
THERE ARE ONLY LIKE EIGHT PROJECTS, I THINK.AND, UH, WE'RE JUST GONNA QUICKLY GO THROUGH THOSE EIGHT SO EVERYONE GETS THE BENEFIT OF WHAT YOU GUYS HEARD AND ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE HAD.
SO, AGAIN, THAT WE'RE COMPLETELY ALIGNED AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SCOPE OF EACH OF THESE PROJECTS ARE.
SO I THINK THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE IS FIRE STATION NUMBER FOUR.
UM, THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY IS TO REPLACE AN AGING FIRE STATION.
THE ONE THAT'S OVER ON, WHAT IS THAT? FAIL OR
NOW THIS, THIS PARTICULAR $4.25 MILLION IS FOR DESIGN AND LAND ACQUISITION, RIGHT? IT'S NOT GONNA BUILD A FIRE STATION, BUT IT'S THE FIRST STEP YOU WOULD TAKE.
THIS HAPPENED LAST TIME, DIDN'T THEY? THEY MOW EVERY DAY AT THIS TIME FOR OTHER MEETINGS.
BY THE TIME WE GET IN, THEY CRANKED UP THE FLOOR.
SO WHAT, WHAT THE, UH, WHAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DID WAS PROVIDED A COUPLE OF PAGES OF REASONS WHY THE FIRE STATION NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
IT WASN'T SO MUCH TO JUSTIFY THIS MONEY, IT WAS TO JUSTIFY THE ENTIRE SCOPE OF WORK, WHICH IS TO EVENTUALLY REPLACE THE FIREPLACE, WHICH YOU HAVE TO AGREE WITH BEFORE YOU WOULD AGREE TO SPENDING ANY MONEY ON DESIGN AND SITE ACQUISITION.
SO, DID YOU GUYS HAVE ANY, WERE THERE ANY HANGUPS OR QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP IN Y'ALL'S DISCUSSION? ANYONE ELSE? YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT? ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT? YEAH, I THINK, UH, GENERALLY IT'S, UH, ALSO WHAT WE HAD OVER THERE, UH, IN OUR MEETING, UH, FEW WEEKS BACK, WE DIDN'T REALLY, UH, DISCUSS, THERE WERE FOUR OF US THERE, BUT WE ALL DID ASK QUESTIONS.
IT BECAME PRETTY APPARENT THAT THE FIRE STATION NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRUCK ME WAS THEY APPARENTLY CAN'T EVEN PULL IN ON THE STREET AND GO AROUND BEHIND AND COME INTO THE GARAGE, OR THEY CAN DO IT, BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT THAT IT'S LIKE PARKING, YOU KNOW, PARALLEL PARKING THE FIRE TRUCK OR SOMETHING.
UH, AND THEN I BELIEVE THERE ARE O OTHER ISSUES.
THERE'S, UH, THERE ARE NO FACILITIES FOR, FOR WOMEN AS FAR AS CHANGING SHOWERS, LOCKERS, THAT TYPE OF THING.
THERE'S NO GOOD WAY TO HANDLE OLD GEAR.
SO I THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE LAST, IS THAT THE LAST OLD FIRE STATION IN TOWN, BESIDES THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET THAT'S ALREADY GETTING WORKED? UM, I THINK FIRE STATION ONE ON GARTH ROAD IS FAIRLY ONE GARTH ROAD.
THE NEW ONE ACROSS BAYWAY ISS FAIRLY NEW.
THE ONE ACROSS, UH, I 10 OFF OF GARTH ROAD.
I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WITH ACROSS THE STREET, BUT THAT'S BEING WORKED ALREADY.
SO THIS IS PROBABLY THE LAST ONE OF THE ORIGINAL FIRE STATIONS OR OLD ONES.
IS THERE ANOTHER FIRE STATION THAT WOULD BE CLOSE ENOUGH TO THERE THAT WE'RE ALREADY UTILIZING? I DON'T KNOW.
THE FIRE TEAM LOOKS AT THE SERVICE AREA OF THAT.
I THINK THE NEXT CLOSEST ONE IS PROBABLY HERE AND OUT 1 46 AND PINEHURST AREA.
SO I THINK THAT FIRE STATION HANDLES A PRETTY GOOD PART OF OUR STATE.
UH, ISN'T, UH, THE FIRE AND THE POLICE CAN BE ALSO ON THE BALLOT FOR THAT.
THAT'S NOT, IS THAT GONNA AFFECT ANY OF THIS REPAIRS OR ANYTHING? UH, THIS, THIS IS, UH, WELL, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO KEEP THE FIRE STATION RUNNING TILL IT'S REPLACED.
SO I WOULD EXPECT THEY'RE GONNA SPEND MONEY ON THE FIRE STATION JUST LIKE SCHOOLS DO UNTIL THEY'RE REPLACED.
UH, BUT THAT, THAT SALES TAX THING IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT, UM, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT.
AND IS THERE A PRICE ON HERE? 'CAUSE I ALREADY DIDN'T LOOK AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THING.
IS THERE A PRICE THAT STAKES WHAT IT COST TO REPAIR IN, UH, VERSUS THE WHOLE NEW BUILDING? UM, I, I DIDN'T LOOK AT THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY.
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FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO, TO REPAIR IT OR REHABILITATE.IT'S A, IT'S A SPACE, A SITE LOCATION.
THE AMBULANCES ARE STATIONED AT FIRE STATIONS NOW WHERE THEY DIDN'T USED TO BE.
AND THAT'S JUST THE OLD DESIGN.
THE PA STANDARDS HAVE CHANGED AS WELL.
I THINK SOME OF THAT'S REFERENCED HERE.
SO I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE WHERE IF IT WAS LIKE ONE THAT WAS BUILT 10, 15 YEARS AGO, WE'RE QUESTIONING REPLACEMENT.
THAT'D BE A GOOD QUESTION ABOUT RENOVATION REFURBISHING VERSUS COMPLETE REPLACEMENTS THAT IF YOU'VE BEEN BY THERE ON BA STREET AND YOU SEE WHERE IT'S AT, IT'S A VERY SMALL CORNER.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT, THERE'S A LITTLE MAP IN HERE, BUT IT'S A VERY SMALL CORNER, UH, OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S, YEAH, IT'S PRETTY MUCH LANDLOCKED.
UNLESS, UNLESS THE CITY DECIDED TO BUY UP EVERYBODY AROUND IT, BUT YEAH, IT'S NOT LIKE ANY OF OUR FIRE STATIONS IN THE CITY EXCEPT MAYBE ONE WHEN THEY BUILT EVEN THE NEW ONES THAT THEY BUY EXCESS LAND TO DO EXPANSION LATER ON, THEY'RE ALL PRETTY MUCH LANDLOCKED IN THAT POSITION.
SO THEY WANTED TO EXPAND, YOU KNOW, UNLESS THEY GO UP.
SO BASICALLY I THINK THEY'VE PROVIDED JUSTIFICATION FOR A NEW ONE, BUT THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD.
THIS IS SIMPLY DESIGN AND LAND ACQUISITION FOR THAT FUTURE FIRE STATION PROJECT.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE LAND WOULD BE.
THE ONE THING I WOULD ENCOURAGE THOUGH, FOR THE CITY IS WE HAVE BUILT A NUMBER OF NEW FIRE STATIONS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
CAN WE USE ONE OF THOSE DESIGNS RATHER THAN DOING A TOTALLY NEW ONE TO SAVE SOME MONEY? YEAH.
I I, I THINK IF THE LAND, IF YOU GET ENOUGH LAND, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SIZE, SHAPE IS, IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WILL ACCEPT A LEASE IN FOOTPRINT THAT MAKES SENSE.
SCHOOLS HAVE DONE THAT, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
YOU, THE PINE EARTH OR THE GARTH ROAD, WHICH I THINK THE TWO NEWEST ONES, THE ONE OFF OF GARTH, IF THEY'RE FUNCTIONING WELL, THAT MIGHT BE A FOOTPRINT THAT COULD FIT ON A PIECE OF LAND.
YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES FOR THE EGRESS GETTING IN AND OUTTA THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT SOMETIMES HAS TO GET EVEN THAT'S WHAT THE DISTRICT DID.
THEY HAVE TO CHANGE THOSE SOMEWHAT BECAUSE A ROAD HERE, BUT THERE, BUT THE BA THE BASIC DESIGN HAS BEEN THE SAME UNTIL THE LAST ELEMENTARY WAS BUILT.
AND THEY MODIFIED THAT DESIGN A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF A LOT OF PRINCIPLES.
BUT THEY HAVE THE STANDARD DESIGN AND YOU'RE GONNA LEARN AND THERE'S GONNA BE NEW REQUIREMENTS AND NEW STORAGE MM-HMM
REQUIREMENTS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO ANYWAY, SO EVERYBODY'S CLEAR, THIS IS DESIGNED AND LAND ACQUISITION, $4.2 MILLION IS BEING PROPOSED.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS PROJECT'S ABOUT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS ON THAT PROJECT? OKAY.
THE NEXT ONE IN YOUR BOOK IS THE NEW STARTING MUNICIPAL LIBRARY.
THIS DOES TALK ABOUT CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW LIBRARY TO REPLACE THE EXISTING ONE.
SO, UH, NOT A LOT OF OF INFORMATION TO SUPPORT THAT, EXCEPT THAT YOU HAVE WARRANT.
EXCEPT THAT, UM, WE KNOW THE LIBRARY, WE KNOW THE PURPOSE IT SERVES.
UM, THIS IS, THIS IS $20 MILLION TO BUILD A NEW ONE SOMEWHERE.
AND I, THAT'S ALL WE KNOW ABOUT IT, RIGHT? MM-HMM
DID Y'ALL GET ANY OTHER INFORMATION IN THAT, UM, IN YOUR DISCUSSION WHEN Y'ALL BROKE UP A NUMBER OF THINGS? UH, WE WERE, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONING, UH, AT LEAST I WAS, UH, ABOUT THE POSITION, LOCATION AND HOW IT RELATES TO THE PROJECT VECTOR, THIS AND THAT.
WAS IT GONNA BE, UH, A TEAR THIS MADE, THIS IS ONE SAID BY ANY CITY STAFF, ARE THEY GONNA TEAR IT DOWN SO THEY CAN BUILD THE VECTOR THERE AND THEN, THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE A DO WITH IT.
I THINK THAT'S A, NOT A GOOD THOUGHT, BUT, UH, I THINK THAT WAS EXPLAINED THAT, UH, BUILDING IS, IS IT 40 YEARS, 60 YEARS OLD? IT WAS, THERE WAS TALK ABOUT THE ROOF NEEDS TO BE TOTALLY REPLACED, WHICH WAS A COUPLE OF MILLION DOLLARS AS I RECOLLECT AT HBC.
AND THEN THE LIBRARIES ARE, EXCUSE ME, CHEAPER THAN THIS.
BUT THAT, UH, UH, THE LIBRARY ROLE HAS CHANGED, I GUESS, IF YOU WILL.
AND THERE'S THE THOUGHT OF MODIFICATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
WELL, ISN'T THAT VECTOR SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR SOME OF THIS STUFF? NOT FOR THE LIBRARY.
I'M NOT REAL SURE HOW, BUT THEY'RE BUYING THE LAND.
WELL, THEY, THEY'RE ON THIS LAND.
IT'S WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD NEED THIS SPACE TO DO THE EVENT CENTER AND THEY REPLACE THE LIBRARY FOR THAT REASON, I SHOULD SAY.
I DON'T, THEY SAY THAT'S UP IN THE AIR THOUGH, MAR I, I SHOULD SAY I, I, I, I'M THE ONE THAT JUST BROUGHT THAT UP.
I KNOW THAT I BROUGHT IT UP IN THE MEETING AND IT WAS SORT OF LIKE THAT.
THAT'S ALL TO BE CONSIDERED, SO TO SPEAK.
SO THAT WAS MY QUESTION, IF YOU WOULD.
SO WHAT, WHAT WE REALLY DON'T KNOW.
YES, YOU GOT, YOU GOT SOME GOOD INFORMATION FOR US.
UM, I WOULDN'T SAY GOOD
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CENTER HAS THREE MAIN COMPONENTS.UM, THE PRIMARY COMPONENT IS THE YOUTH SPORTS SPORTS TOURISM PIECE.
AND THAT'S WHERE ALL THE COURT, UH, EIGHT TO 12 COURTS IS GONNA BE FOCUSED.
AND THEN THERE'S TWO REMAINING COMPONENTS.
ONE IS, UM, SOME ASPECTS OF LOCAL RECREATION AND THEN INCORPORATION OF THE LIBRARY.
NOW, WHAT THIS ITEM CAN DO, DEPENDING ON KIND OF WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS, YOU CAN ENHANCE WHAT'S GOING INTO VECTOR.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE, REALLY WHERE, UM, MOVING IT RECONSTRUCTION POSSIBLE PROPERTY ACQUISITION WOULD FALL WITH THIS $20 MILLION ESTIMATE.
UM, RIGHT NOW THE LIBRARY IS AT, UH, 50,000 SQUARE FEET.
UH, SO THE, THIS NO DECISION HAS BEEN MADE ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING, YET THAT'LL COME DURING DESIGN.
BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE PLAN IS TO HAVE THE LIBRARY BE A COMPONENT OF THE, UM, OF THE OVERALL COMPLEX.
UM, AND SO WHETHER IT'S REMODELING, REUSING, OR TEAR DOWN, REBUILD, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE ALL OPTIONS, UH, WITHIN THE PROJECT.
DO YOU ALL WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOVE AND BEYOND? WANNA RECOMMEND SOMETHING ABOVE AND BEYOND, I SHOULD SAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY THIS ITEM'S HERE OR RELOCATION, RECONSTRUCTION, THAT SORT OF THING.
SO IF WE EXIT, LIKE WE JUST TOTALLY EXIT OUT AND THEN PROJECT BACTERIA GOES THROUGH AND THEN NEEDS ALL THIS LAND AND THE CHILDCARE CENTER BEHIND IT AND THE OTHER BUSINESS BUSINESSES BEHIND IT, IT'S GONNA GO THROUGH NO MATTER WHAT.
THAT'S WHAT, LIKE IF WE, IF WE JUST HAVE TO SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THIS ONE, RIGHT? THE LIBRARY SAY AS IS, JUST DO THE REMODEL AND THEN PROJECT VECTORS SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE THERE.
SO THAT LITTLE SPOT IS NOT FROM 12 COURTS.
AND WHAT YOU HAVE SAID, YOU NEED MORE SPACE.
SO YOU HAVE THE LIBRARY THERE, OUR CHILDCARE CENTER THERE, OTHER BUSINESSES LIKE AN ENGINEERING FIRM, OUR TOTAL.
I MEAN, SO ALL THE PROPERTIES WE PURCHASED WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE PROPERTY.
AND SO, SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA, I'M SORRY, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S LIKE YOU NEED THAT SPACE REGARDLESS.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, DO WE USE THE SHELL OF THE LIBRARY, INCORPORATE IT INTO, YOU KNOW, BUILD, BUILD AROUND IT, INCORPORATE IT INTO THE STRUCTURE, UH, DO WE TEAR DOWN, REBUILD AND HAVE DEDICATED SECTION OF THE NEW BUILDING FOR THAT? YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF OPTIONS AND THERE'S NOTHING RIGHT NOW THAT TELLS US WHAT WE SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T DO BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN INTO THE DESIGN PHASE.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS WE START GOING LOOKING AT OUR COSTS, THERE MAY BE A POINT WHERE, OKAY, WELL IT'S A 50,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
MAYBE WE CAN REPURPOSE IT FOR LIBRARY, LOCAL REC STUFF HERE AND THEN ADD ON THE COURT, UH, THE COURTS AND ALL OF THAT ONTO IT.
OR MAYBE IT'S GONNA BE BETTER JUST TO, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TO SCRAPE IT AND START OVER AND HAVE X NUMBER OF SQUARE FOOT FOR THE LIBRARY AT THAT POINT.
LIBRARY WITH THE VECTOR THING.
SO BRANDON, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY IN MAKING THAT DECISION.
WELL, YOU CAN MAKE EVERY, EVERY OPTION USES DISCUSSES OUT OF OUR YES, NO, BUT YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION IF, LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, THE 20 MILLION, YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS $20 MILLION.
AND THE THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD NOT INCORPORATE IT INTO VECTOR AND WE WOULD PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
YOU CAN GO DOWN OFF OF THAT AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE HEAR YOU, WE KNOW VECTOR'S LIMITED.
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN ADDITIONAL 5 MILLION WHATEVER FOCUSED ON THE LIBRARY AT THAT SITE.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT KIND OF RUNS THE GAMUT, BUT IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'LL BE UP TO YOU ALL AND THEN TO, UH, ON COUNCIL TO SEE HOW THEY WANT TO INCORPORATE THAT AND GO FROM THERE.
THE LAST MEETING JASON SAID HE HAD NEWS FOR US ABOUT THE LIBRARY, THE LIBRARY, CONCERNING, IS THAT THE NEWS HE HAD OR HE'S NOT HERE AND HE AT END THE MEETING, HE SAID, I GOT SOME NEWS ABOUT THAT AND I CAN PRESENT IT.
I THINK JASON GAVE KIND OF THE SAME SCENARIO THAT BRENT JUST GAVE ABOUT OPTIONS, WHICH AT THE TIME REALLY DIDN'T HELP ME.
YOU PROVIDED A LITTLE MORE CLARIFICATION TODAY ABOUT WHAT WE COULD IMPACT, AND THAT'S TO SAY WE WOULD RECOMMEND $20 MILLION STANDALONE, OFFSITE, SOMEWHERE ELSE LIBRARY AND LET VECTOR DO WHAT IT DOES ALL THE WAY DOWN, JUST SO WE'RE ON THE SAME NOTE.
IT'S NOT VECTOR ANYMORE, RIGHT.
UH, WHATEVER EVENT CENTER, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT.
BUT WE'RE REALLY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT EDUCATIONAL AND LOCAL RECREATION FOCUS ON US.
IF WE, THAT MONEY IS A REP, A LIBRARY REPLACEMENT COST NUMBER.
DOES THAT INCLUDE LAND ACQUISITION? I BELIEVE SO.
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IN THERE.I DON'T REMEMBER HEARING THAT.
CAN SOMEBODY TELL US, IS THERE ANY DATA OR ANY ANSWER AS TO HOW MANY PEOPLE CURRENTLY USE THE LIBRARY? I DON'T KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I'M SURE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, UH, PROVIDE.
IT WAS HIGHLIGHTED IN THE MEETING ABOUT THE LEVEL OF ACTIVITY AND USAGE.
SO, I MEAN, AND IT'S A LOT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, OUR FAMILIES, I'M A GRANDPA, BUT I MEAN, EVEN OUR KIDS FROM HOUSTON WHEN THEY'RE, AND THEY GO THERE A LONG TIME.
SO I KNOW IT'S A HIGHLY POPULAR THING AMONG THE FAMILIES OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND, AND THAT'S ONE THING I, I GUESS I'D THROW OUT THERE TOO, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A LIBRARY AS A PART OF A LARGER RECREATION, YOUTH SPORTS TYPE FACILITY, UM, IT CAN TAKE ON A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT, UM, MEANING IN THAT CONTEXT YOU CAN REALLY EXPAND KIND OF WHAT YOUR FOCUS IS.
KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS GOING ON, THAT SORT OF THING.
THERE'S, UM, THERE'S A REC FACILITY IN ARLINGTON THAT, UH, HAS, UH, A RECREATION CENTER WITH A FEW COURTS WITH A NATATORIUM AND A LIBRARY BRANCH.
AND I WENT TOWARD THAT AND KIND OF HEARD SOME OF THEIR, UM, YOU KNOW, LESSONS LEARNED AND KIND OF SOME OF THEIR SUCCESSES.
IT'S A LOT SMALLER OF A FOOTPRINT THAN I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WE'D BE LOOKING FOR, BUT THE CONCEPT ITSELF WAS KIND OF INTERESTING TO SEE.
BUT IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF USAGE AND VISITS INFORMATION, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT.
I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IT MAY NOT BE APPLES TO APPLES.
UM, KIND OF WHAT'S THERE NOW VERSUS WHAT MIGHT BE THERE IN THE FUTURE.
I THINK JUST GONNA SAY, I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST PROJECT WE'VE COME ACROSS WHERE THERE'S A VARIABLE IN THE DOLLAR VALUE THAT WE MIGHT RECOMMEND.
WE CAN'T SAY ONLY DO HALF OF GARTH ROAD WE OR ONE HALF OF THE STREET.
THIS IS ONE THAT APPARENTLY HAS GOT A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY WITH HOW WE FEEL THE BOND MIGHT IMPACT THE OVERALL EXXONMOBIL EVENT CENTER COMPLEX.
EITHER AN INCORPORATED LIBRARY OR A TOTALLY NEW SITE LIBRARY, EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN.
AND IT COULD BE FROM UTILIZING THE EXISTING BUILDING REHABILITATED TO THAT BUILDING GOES AWAY AND IT GETS, IT GETS SORT OF BUILT INTO THE WHATEVER NEW STRUCTURE GETS YEAH.
SO, AND OF COURSE, THE MORE YOU, YOU KNOW, SPEND IT ON THE LIBRARY, THE LESS IS THERE FOR YEAH.
BUT THAT'S ALL KIND OF IN THE WORKS.
AND, UM, SO THE LIBRARY'S NOT FALLING DOWN.
IT NEEDS A ROOF REPLACEMENT, BUT THAT REALLY STRUCTURALLY ALL IT NEEDS RIGHT NOW.
I THINK YOU ALREADY DID THE CENTRAL AIR REPLACEMENT.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I'M NOT, I'M PRETTY SURE THE CENTRAL AIR WAS ALREADY DONE.
YEAH, WE DIDN HVAC, WE GOT, WE GOT A HAND UP BACK THERE.
MINIMUM THAT DOES NEED PLUMBING UPGRADE AND ELECTRICAL PANEL REPLACEMENT.
AND JASON JUST CAME IN, BUT I KNOW YOU HAD TWO MORE QUESTIONS.
JASON SAID HE HAD SOME NEWS FOR US LEFT DOWN, SO I WAS JUST WONDERING, I I JUST WENT THROUGH SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT THIS, UH, ITEM COULD, UH, COULD KIND OF APPROACH WITH IN WHAT WAY? UM, NEW LIBRARY VERSUS, UH, INCORPORATION INTO VECTOR, YOU KNOW, SMALLER ISSUANCE TO ENHANCE WHAT'S GOING INTO VECTOR, THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, BUT THE CURRENT PLAN IS THAT THE LIBRARY WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE EVENT CENTER ALONG WITH THE LOCAL RECREATION PIECE, RIGHT? SO PART OF THAT IS DOING OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? AND SEEING WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS WITH THIS.
INCORPORATING THIS INTO VECTOR DOES MEAN THAT SOME OF THE MONEY THAT'S IN THAT FROM THE 75 MILLION WILL GO TO REHABBING A PORTION OF THE LIBRARY.
WHAT WE DON'T KNOW YET IS IF THE COMMUNITY IS GONNA SAY, HEY, WE WANT MORE MONEY TO GO TO THIS LIBRARY.
WE WANT TO EITHER TEAR IT DOWN AND BUILD A BRAND NEW LIBRARY WITH THE VECTOR WITH IT ATTACHED TO VECTOR, AND, UH, IT'D BE LIKE A, UM, UM, A LARGER SPACE, A LARGER VENUE FOR A MULTI, UH, MULTITUDE OF THINGS.
OR IF IT'S JUST A BETTER UPGRADE SO THAT IT LOOKS REFRESHED WHEN VECTOR IS PUT NEXT TO IT AS WELL.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CITIZENS ARE GOING TO SAY.
AND SO THE, THE QUESTION TO Y'ALL IS, DO YOU FIND VALUE IN PUTTING SOME MONEY AVAILABLE IN A BOND AND SAY, HEY, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD, THAT THE, THE CITIZENS WILL SAY IN, IN THE, UH, IN THE RESEARCH THAT THEY WANT TO UPGRADE THAT FACILITY OR NOT.
IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT, THEN YOU SAY, NO, AND WE KIND OF MOVE ON, RIGHT? WE TAKE OUR TOYS AND GO HOME AND WE JUST UPGRADE THE, THE LIBRARY OR RE REHAB THE LIBRARY WHERE WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE.
UH, WITH THE VECTOR VISION THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN MIND, WHICH IS JUST MAYBE SOME INTERNAL UPGRADES.
UH, THEY'RE FIXING THE ROOF RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THE ACS DONE MAYBE SPLITTING IT OFF.
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THAT CAME UP THROUGH THE PIECE WAS SPLITTING THE LIBRARY IN HALF AND MAKING ONE PORTION OF IT A SENIOR CENTER.UM, BECAUSE THAT IS ONE THING THAT'S BEEN ASKED FOR BY THE COMMUNITY, IS HAVING A DEDICATED SPACE FOR A SENIOR CENTER.
AND SO IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT, ARE WE WILLING TO PAY FOR THAT? THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE GONNA BE ASKED AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
AND IF THE, IF THIS COMMITTEE THINKS THAT THERE IS SOME VALUE AT LEAST PUTTING A, A BOND ASK OUT TO THE CITIZENS TO EITHER UPGRADE THE LIBRARY AS A, AS A MULTI-USE CENTER AS WELL, THEN YOU KNOW, Y'ALL WILL BE THE FIRST PEOPLE THAT WE'RE ASKING
RIGHT? AND IF Y'ALL SAY THAT WE DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY VALIDITY TO THAT, THAT WE ALREADY KNOW GOING INTO OUR OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY, THAT THERE'S ALREADY A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE ANY EXTRA MONEY PUT INTO THE LIBRARY.
AND JASON, THAT, UM, SENIOR CENTER IS ONE EXAMPLE OF THE LOCAL RECREATION OPTIONS THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE FACILITY THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER.
SO THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT, UM, WE FIGURED OUT, RIGHT? OTHER FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED WERE LIKE, HEY, LIONS CLUB,
IT'D BE NICE IF THE CITY WERE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER TO PROVIDE A SPACE FOR JUST NONPROFITS TO MEET AS A, THIS IS THE STANDARD MEETING PLACE FOR ALL NONPROFITS IN THE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S OTHER FEEDBACK THAT WE, THAT WE RECEIVED.
AND SO RIGHT NOW THAT GOES THROUGH THE COMMUNITY CENTER, THAT GOES THROUGH THE LIBRARY, THAT GOES THROUGH ANY OTHER SPACE THAT WE HAVE.
AND IT'D BE NICE TO CONSOLIDATE THOSE MEETING SPACES INTO, INTO ONE.
SO WOULD VECTOR NOT BE BIG ENOUGH THAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE, REMOVE THE LIBRARY FROM WHERE IT'S AT? IT SO IT CAN BE SO LIKE IF, AM I TAKING UP TOO MUCH TIME, GILBERT? NOPE.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS ENTIRE SPOT RIGHT HERE, THE CITY LEE COLLEGE, THE CITY AND LEE COLLEGE OWNED THAT WHOLE TRIANGLE RIGHT THERE.
OKAY? SO THE CITY AND LEE COLLEGE OWN ALL OF THAT.
THE CITY AND LEE COLLEGE OWN ALL OF THIS UP TO RIGHT HERE AS WELL.
SO BASICALLY EVERYTHING IN BOTH OF THOSE TRIANGLES ARE OWNED BY TWO ENTITIES AT THIS POINT.
A LOT OF THAT IS USED, UH, A PORTION OF THAT WILL BE USED FOR PARKING.
A PORTION OF THAT WILL BE USED FOR DRAINAGE AND DETENTION THAT'S NECESSARY TO BUILD THIS OUT.
BETER IN ITS BIGGEST SENSE, WHEN WE GOT TALKED TO BY OTHER ENTITIES THAT WANTED TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT, COULD HAVE TAKEN UP THE ENTIRETY OF BOTH OF THOSE, OF BOTH OF THOSE TRACKS.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE JUST A GAME CHANGER FOR BAYTOWN, BUT ALSO PROBABLY COST 200, $250 MILLION.
THAT WAS NOT WHAT WE WANTED TO SPEND.
WE ONLY WANT TO SPEND ROUGHLY 50 TO 55 MILLION AND BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S REASONABLE, UM, AND LEAVE THE OTHER 20 MILLION AS INVESTMENT THAT IS PAYING FOR THE ONGOING OPERATIONS OF THE CENTER THAT'S BEING BUILT.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS RIGHT NOW, AND JUST TO FOR EASE, IF VECTOR WERE TO BE BUILT, IT COULD TAKE UP MOSTLY WHAT I'M GONNA HIGHLIGHT, IF IT WILL TAKE UP MOSTLY THAT AREA.
OKAY? SO YOU STILL HAVE IT, WHILE IT ONLY WILL TAKE UP THAT AREA FOR A BUILDING AND A PARKING SPACE, IT'S STILL GOING TO HOPEFULLY UTILIZE THE TENNIS COURTS WITH LEE COLLEGE, REPURPOSE THIS FACILITY, POSSIBLY, UM, TRY TO INCORPORATE SOMETHING WITH THE LIBRARY SO THAT IT CAN BE USED.
THIS WILL MOST LIKELY BE GREEN SPACE AND PARKING LOT OVER HERE.
AND THEN SOME OF THIS NEEDS TO BE REDEDICATED, UM, TO OTHER FACILITIES, UH, IN THE AREA.
LIKE WE WANT THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE ACCESS TO SOME OF THESE THINGS.
SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ALL OF THIS, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN HERE.
BECAUSE VECTOR ON IT, ON, ITS ON A WHOLE, IF YOU ZOOM OUT
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AND CAN Y'ALL SEE THE MOUSE UP ON THE SCREEN? MM-HMMSO IF YOU ZOOM OUT AND YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S HERE IN THIS CORNER OR AT THIS PORT PORTION OF TOWN, YOU HAVE VECTOR IN THE LIBRARY WOULD BE RIGHT HERE.
YOU THEN HAVE CENTRAL LITTLE LEAGUE PARK THAT'S RIGHT HERE.
YOU HAVE THE WETLAND CENTER, THAT'S RIGHT HERE.
YOU HAVE THE FUTURE JB LE FEVER DISC GOLF COURSE.
OVER HERE YOU HAVE LEE COLLEGE AND A PERFORMING ARTS CENTER RIGHT HERE.
YOU HAVE LEE COLLEGE'S ARENA RIGHT HERE.
THEN YOU HAVE TEXAS AVENUE AND THE TOWN SQUARE RIGHT HERE.
SO YOU HAVE THIS Y FOR ANY OF THE PEOPLE FROM THE EIGHTIES.
IT'S OUR FLUX CAPACITOR, RIGHT? AND IT'S OUR FLUX CAPACITOR TO TAKE US BACK TO A THRIVING DOWNTOWN OF WHAT WE USED TO HAVE.
AND IT IS, YOU LOOK AT ALL THOSE THINGS AND THERE'S JUST A LOT OF CONNECTION PIECES THAT BAYTOWN HAS TO OFFER ALREADY.
AND WHY NOT PLAY ON THE, ON THE ENTERTAINMENT VALUES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE INSTEAD OF TRYING TO SPEND A LOT MORE MONEY AND REINVENT SOMETHING, UH, FOR NO REASON, RIGHT? WE ALREADY HAVE GOOD ORGANIC THINGS HAPPENING IN BAYTOWN, AND WE'VE ALREADY PUT $30 MILLION INTO THE TOWN SQUARE.
WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST CONTINUE TO BUILD AROUND ALL OF THAT AS WELL? AND THIS FITS INTO THE STRATEGIC PLAN, AND WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO TALK ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE CITY OF BAYTOWN.
WITH THE CITY GOING TO GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS AND MOVING AWAY FROM COS AND LOWERING THE TAX RATE.
THE ONLY WAY FOR THE CITY TO WORK TOWARDS COMPLETING THE STRATEGIC PLANS IS THROUGH DEBT, BECAUSE THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL CASH TO GO THROUGH PUTTING MONEY INTO, UM, OTHER FUTURE PROJECTS.
IT HAS TO BE FUNDED THROUGH DEBT BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NO EXTRA CASH ANYMORE.
AND SO IF THE CITIZENS WANT THAT TO COME TRUE, IT HAS TO BE THROUGH A DEBT INSTRUMENT.
SO OUR PIECE OF THIS, THAT WHOLE, EVERYTHING YOU JUST EXPLAINED IS GIVE YOU CONTEXT FOR THE LIBRARY.
IT IS WHERE THE LIBRARY FITS IN POTENTIALLY TO THAT WHOLE Y AREA OF DEVELOPMENT, UH, SENIOR CITIZEN ACCESS.
UH, AGAIN, YOU GOT A GOOD JOB EXPLAINING ALL THE AMENITIES IN THAT AREA, THAT LOT.
I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE TAKE FOR GRANTED THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, THE LEE COLLEGE ARENA, THE WETLAND CENTER, UH, THE HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS COMPLEX THERE.
I MEAN, THE WHOLE SPORTS COMPLEX THAT'S THERE.
TOURNAMENTS, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT GO ON THERE.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A GREAT PART OF BAYTOWN THAT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IT'S THERE.
THE LIBRARY, AND I DO KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE GO THERE.
I, I'VE TAKEN MY GRANDKIDS THERE AND I'VE SEEN ADULTS THERE THAT I KNOW, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE? WELL, I COME GET BOOKS ALL THE TIME.
LIKE, YOU DON'T HAVE A KINDLE, YOU KNOW,
AND, BUT, BUT THEN THERE'S THE E COMPONENT OF THE LIBRARY AS WELL BECAUSE THEY, THEY'VE UPDATED JUST LIKE ALL OTHER LIBRARIES HAVE.
SO WHAT, WHAT WE WERE SAYING RIGHT BEFORE YOU GOT IN HERE, THIS APPEARS TO BE ONE OF THOSE THAT'S A LITTLE MORE SUBJECTIVE.
MUCH TO THE, TO THE PHILOSOPHY OF HOW WE THINK A LIBRARY WOULD FIT INTO THE OVERALL VISION MASTER PLAN OF BAYTOWN.
FIGURE IT OUT WITH VECTOR TO IN THE MIDDLE REHAB, WHAT YOU HAVE TO, WHY DON'T YOU JUST, LET'S JUST TAKE THIS AND FIND ANOTHER SPOT SOMEWHERE IN THE AREA AND REHAB THAT AND ENHANCE THAT WITH $20 MILLION OF RIGHT.
UM, SO THAT'S, THIS ONE'S A, THIS, THIS ONE IS VERY TRICKY, RIGHT? THIS ONE'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE EASY ONE.
IT'S BECOME THE MOST COMPLEX ONE,
AND, BUT HERE WE ARE WITH THIS ONE INVOLVES CEILING.
WE MIGHT HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THIS ONE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO, SO NOW WE KNOW, NOW WE CAN PUT THIS SIMPLE LITTLE PROJECT IN CONTEXT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE START LOOKING AT HOW THIS STACKS UP, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE IMPACT THIS, THIS PROJECT COULD HAVE TO THE CITIZENS OF BAYTOWN, RIGHT? SO EVERYBODY SEE WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, IS JUST PUT, GET A GOOD CONTEXT FOR EACH OF THESE PROJECTS.
ANYONE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR CITY STAFF ON THE LIBRARY? JASON, YOU MADE A COMMENT THAT, IS THE ROOF BEING PASSED RIGHT NOW OR IS IT ACTUALLY BEING REPLACED? NO, THERE, THERE'S NO WORK ON THE ROOF RIGHT NOW.
I I WAS GONNA CORRECT THE HVAC HAS BEEN, IT'S THE HVC, MY APOLOGIES.
WE'RE DOING COMMUNITY CENTER RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? CORRECT.
MY TALKING ABOUT THE LIBRARY HERE.
IT STILL NEEDS A ROOF REPLACEMENT.
YEAH, AND, AND YOU KNOW, ALL THESE FACILITIES THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WHETHER IT'S FIRE STATION THAT EVENTUALLY WE REPLACED HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED AND OPERATIONAL, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO JUST LIKE WHEN WE KNOW SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN REPLACED FOR SEVERAL YEARS, THEY'VE HAD TO SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THEM TO KEEP THEM GOING BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY REPLACE IT.
IT'S, THAT'S JUST HOW YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN YOUR CURRENT FACILITY.
SO IF THE LIBRARY'S GONNA BE IN EXISTENCE, SO SOME PROJECT VISION PLAYS OUT, IT STILL HAS TO HAVE A ROOF ON IT THAT DOESN'T FALL
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IN AND LEAK.SO THEY'LL CONTINUE TO SPEND MONEY ON IT AS LONG AS IT'S PART OF CITY'S ASSETS.
AND Y'ALL CAN ACTUALLY DEFAULT TO THAT TOO.
TO YOUR POINT GILBERT, IF IT'S LIKE, HEY, WE WANT TO BORROW MONEY JUST TO KEEP IT UP, RIGHT? IF WE CAN BORROW MILLIONS JUST TO DO THE ROOF OR WHATEVER THE CASE BE, YEAH.
THAT CAN BE Y'ALL'S RECOMMENDATION AS WELL.
LOT OF, LOT OF, UH, VARIANCE IN THAT ONE.
AND CAROL DID COME Y'ALL, UH, CAROL PLINTH, OUR AING MANAGER, SHE'S HERE JUST IN CASE.
Y'ALL HAD VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LIBRARY, SOME OF THE FUNCTIONS HAPPENING IN THE LIBRARY.
SHE WANTS TO BE ABLE TO, TO LISTEN OR ANSWER POSSIBLY IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LIBRARY? IS THERE A MORE STRATEGIC, I GUESS, PLAN FOR REPAIR? LIKE, I MEAN, IF YOU WERE GONNA REVITALIZE OR REFRESH IT, I MEAN, IS THERE MORE AN IDEA OF WHAT Y'ALL WOULD DO WITH THAT VERSUS, YOU KNOW, BUILD THE WHOLE NEW ONE FOR THIS PRICE? I MEAN IS DO Y'ALL HAVE LIKE A, A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT THAT MAY COST? WHAT IT WOULD COST TO REPAIR ORDER? YEAH.
OR WHAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO REPAIR? SO I KNOW THE ROOF IS JUST OVER A MILLION DOLLARS.
UH, I KNOW, AND, AND KEVIN MENTIONED ON PLUMBING AND, UH, ELECTRICAL AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE INCLUDING THE LIGHTING, UH, THE OUTSIDE BUILDING, THE STUCCO, THE TILE IS KIND OF CHIPPING OFF AND FALLING APART.
THE OUTSIDE WOULD NEED A COMPLETE REFRESH TO REALLY MAKE IT LOOK MODERN.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC ESTIMATES ON THOSE COMPONENTS AT THIS TIME.
YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE A ANALYSIS YOU WOULD DO BASED ON WHAT PATH FORWARD YOU CHOSE.
IF YOU'RE GONNA, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A NEW LIBRARY, THE PATH FORWARD WOULD BE PATCH IT, PATCH IT, KEEP IT GOING SAFE, STRUCTURALLY SOUND SAFE, UH, PROTECT WHAT'S IN THERE.
IF YOU KNEW YOU WERE GONNA DO SOME MAJOR RENOVATIONS, WELL THEN YOU COULD START LOOKING AT SOME OF THE MORE STRUCTURAL, LIKE PUT A ROOF ON IT THAT YOU KNOW IS GONNA BE THERE FOR 30, 40 YEARS, THOSE KIND OF DECISIONS.
BUT THIS, THIS ONE'S ONE OF THOSE THAT'S KIND OF RIGHT.
THIS ONE'S KIND OF STUCK IN THE MIDDLE OF A, A RIP TIDE RIGHT NOW.
AND, AND WE WERE HOPING JUST TO GET INPUT FROM Y'ALL, RIGHT? THAT WAS KIND OF THE, THE, THE CRUX OF THIS ONE WAS LIKE, HOW DO YOU FEEL? OKAY.
BECAUSE WE, YOU'RE THE FIRST PEOPLE WE'RE REALLY REACHING OUT TO, TO SEE HOW PEOPLE ARE FEELING ABOUT WHAT NEEDS HAPPENING WITH THE LIBRARY.
'CAUSE THAT STRATEGIC PLANS WERE DRAWN AND THAT HELPS ME UNDERSTAND WHY, WHY THIS WAS HERE BECAUSE IT WAS CONFUSING.
IT'S LIKE, WELL, YOU'RE GONNA RENOVATE REPAIR THIS SAYS BUILD A BRAND NEW ONE.
SO NOW WE KNOW THAT TO BUILD A BRAND NEW ONE IS THE EXTREME HOW WE FEEL, RIGHT? AND, AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN, RIGHT? LIKE, HEY, SUCK IT UP, GET IT DONE.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT INFORMATION.
THAT WAS A LITTLE LONGER THAN WE PLANNED ON SPENDING ON THAT ITEM, BUT IT WAS VERY VALUABLE INFORMATION.
THE NEXT PROJECT IN YOUR PACKAGE IS THE, UH, BAYTOWN WETLANDS AND ARBORETUM INITIATIVE SPECIAL PARK.
THIS IS A $13 BILLION PROPOSED, UH, BOND BUDGET.
AND, UH, YOU, YOU'VE GOT IT IN YOUR PACKAGE.
THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPORTING INFORMATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
UM, AGAIN, LET ME, LET ME JUST CLARIFY.
THIS IS THE RELOCATION OF THE WETLANDS CENTER TO THE NATURE CENTER, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT THIS IS? YES.
SO THIS IS NOT ANY UPDATES TO THE NATURE CENTER.
THIS IS JUST THE, THE WETLANDS, RELOCATION AND THEN THE ARBORETUM INITIATIVE.
SO, UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT BUILDING THAT'S OVER HERE ON MARKET STREET RIGHT CLOSE TO ROBERT LEE, THE OLD BOLDING ALLEY STORE, UH, BUILDING, UH, IS THE CURRENT WETLAND CENTER.
IT'S SERVED ITS PURPOSE VERY WELL.
I KNOW TRACY'S TAKEN REAL GOOD CARE OF IT.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF OVER THE YEARS COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT SUPPORT FROM THE EDUCATIONAL, UH, PARTNERS IN TOWN AND ROTARY CLUB BOUGHT COMPUTERS A LONG TIME AGO WHEN WE LEARNED HOW TO SMOKE COMPUTERS AND, RIGHT.
AND SO IT'S BEEN AROUND A WHILE AND IT, IT'S, IT'S A VERY, IT'S, IT'S A DESTINATION PLACE.
TRACY, YOU COULD PROBABLY TELL US MORE ABOUT WHO COMES TO THE WETLAND CENTER.
SO ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT YOU TALK ABOUT HOW HIGHLY WE'RE USING IT, AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE USING IT FOR OUR SCHOOL PROGRAMMING.
SO EVERY FIFTH GRADER, EVERY SEVENTH GRADER SELECT GROUP OF NINTH OF NINTH GRADERS COMES THROUGH THERE AS PART OF THEIR SCIENCE CURRICULUM.
SO YEAH, WE USE IT A LOT FOR THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, THIS IS SUMMERTIME, SO WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF VISITORS.
WE HAD SOME PEOPLE FROM NEW HAMPSHIRE THERE TODAY THAT, YOU KNOW, HEARD ABOUT IT AND CAME IN AND, UM, ARE COMING BACK TOMORROW BECAUSE THEY WANNA PLAY ON THE MICROSCOPES AGAIN.
SO YES, IT DOES GET A LOT OF, UM, VISITATION JUST FROM OUT, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THE, THE STATE AND THE CITY.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND PROGRAMMING, EXPAND SOME SPACE AND REALLY TURN IT INTO A HIGH QUALITY ECOTOURISM, UM, FACILITY OUT OF THE NATURE CENTER.
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AND OBVIOUSLY, UH, UH, A LOGICAL PARTNER WITH THE NATURE CENTER, RIGHT? OH YEAH.UM, SO MOST OF OUR PROGRAMS, ALL OF THE PROGRAMS THAT COME THROUGH FOR, FOR GOOSE CREEK START OUT AT THE WETLAND CENTER AND THEN THEY GET BACK ON THE BUS.
THE KIDS DO AND GO OUT TO THE NATURE CENTER TO DO THE KIND OF LIKE THE FIELD LABORATORY PORTIONS OF THE PROGRAM.
SO, UM, THE IDEA IS TO HAVE IT ALL IN ONE LOCATION.
UM, THEY WOULD SAVE TIME WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
WE STRUGGLE ALL THE TIME WITH BUS SCHEDULES.
UM, THAT WOULD SIT AND DEFINITELY HELP US THERE.
SO YES, WE, UM, UTILIZE BOTH PLACES.
IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE THEM IN ONE LOCATION.
THAT, THAT WAS WHAT STRUCK ME WHEN I DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE SCHOOLS, I GUESS TWO DIFFERENT GRADES.
I THINK SOME FIFTH GRADE AND SEVENTH GRADE, I MEAN, ARE PART OF THE NINTH GRADE STUDENTS IN THAT ALL THESE CLASSES PARTICIPATE AND HAVE NOW HAVE TO GO TO TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
AND UH, WE'VE UTILIZED THAT WITH THE GRANDKIDS FOR YEARS AND IT'S FINE, BUT IT'LL BE NICE TO HAVE, THAT'S A VERY IMPRESSIVE, UH, OPERATION THAT YOU HAVE.
AND IF WE HAD A PROPER FACILITY AND BOTH OF 'EM CAN JOININ IN ONE LOCATION, IT WOULD AMPLIFY.
I THINK THE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT WE, ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WE FACE IS THAT A LOT OF SCHOOLS THAT WILL CALL US FROM OUTSIDE OF BEACH CREEK, THEY DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF BEING ABLE TO SEND JUST A COUPLE OF, OF, UH, CLASSES AND THEN SCHEDULE ANOTHER CLASS ANOTHER DAY.
THEY WANT TO BRING ALL OF THEIR FOURTH GRADE OR ALL OF THEIR FIFTH GRADE AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF SPACE RIGHT NOW AT THE WETLAND CENTER TO ACCOMMODATE A WHOLE GRADE LEVEL.
WASN'T THERE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT PLUMBING SITUATIONS OR BEING ABLE TO HAVE RESTROOMS OUT AT THE NATURE CENTER IN THE SITE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING A, A BUILDING, THAT'S WHERE THE OLD LITTLE LEAGUE WAS.
THERE ARE PORTIONS OF THE NATURE CENTER THAT DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND THAT WAS PART OF A, A DEAL WHEN WE GOT A GRANT TO, TO BUILD THE WHOLE NATURE CENTER.
BUT WHERE THE LITTLE LEAGUE WAS, WE DEFINITELY HAVE UTILITIES OUT THERE, SO THAT WON'T BE AN ISSUE.
IT USED TO BE A WESTWOOD LITTLE LEAGUE.
AND IT'S ALSO ABOVE A FLOOD PLAIN THERE.
I THINK WE FORGET HOW LARGE A FOOTPRINT, THE WETLANDS.
NOW THE NATURE CENTER HAS, YEAH, IT'S A PRETTY LARGE FOOTPRINT.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T CATCH THE LITTLE STAR WAY UP IN THE CORNER THERE, WHICH KEEPS IT OUT OF THE FLOOD ZONE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, RIGHT? CORRECT.
WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE FACING NOW.
I'M CLARIFYING QUESTION FOR ME, THE $13 MILLION IS, IS THAT THE COMPLETE FACILITY? THAT'S THE BUILDING AND THE PARKING? YES.
BUILDING AND PARKING AND AN OPERATIONAL MM-HMM
MAKES IT OPERATIONAL, RIGHT? CORRECT.
HAS THAT, UM, I, I'LL ASK THESE GUYS.
THAT NUMBER BEEN AROUND A WHILE OR IS THAT INFLATED UP OR? THERE'S NO TIMELINE.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT CONSTRUCTION FOUR YEARS OUT, FIVE YEARS OUT, IS THIS AN INFLATED NUMBER ALREADY OR, YEAH, SO WE DID ADD CONTINGENCIES TO IT AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN OUR, IN, IN THE PARKS NUMBERS AND THE REASON THEY MAY LOOK A LITTLE HIGH, IT ALSO HAS ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SHOULD GO IN UNDERGROUND TO SUPPORT A FACILITY LIKE THAT.
AND SO THERE'S CONTINGENCIES AND SO 13 MILLION, YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE.
WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THIS BUILDING? I SHOULD, I MEAN THE 13 MILLION, WHAT WE, IT'S A PRETTY PICTURE THAT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD.
SIZE PICTURE THAT'S IN, THERE WAS A PLAN THAT WE CAME UP WITH BACK IN 2017 WHEN WE APPLIED FOR A DIFFERENT GRANT.
UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE WOULD GO WITH A PLAN QUITE THAT INVOLVED.
WELL THIS, THIS IS PRETTY LARGE LOOKING BUILDING, SO YEAH.
AND THAT'S ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS SOME OF OUR ELEMENTARIES IN THE LAST THREE ELEMENTARIES WE'VE BUILT IN THE CITY.
WERE RIGHT AT 24 MILLION A PIECE.
IT WON'T BE THE SIZE OF AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, SO WE DON'T KNOW THE SQUARE FOOT.
HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE IS THE CURRENT CENTER? 14,000.
SO YOU GUYS, WHAT'D YOU USE IN YOUR ESTIMATE FOR, FOR THE NUMBERS? PULL THAT UP.
THERE'S GOTTA BE A BASIS FOR THE NUMBER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS, BUT PRETTY BIG.
I MEAN, IT'S ABOUT THE SIZE OF THAT PICTURE IN THAT BUILDING.
WHAT IS, UH, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE ARBORETUM INSTALL TOO? ARBORETUM TO START WITH IS GONNA BE, UM, MORE PROGRAMMING THAN FACILITIES.
IT'LL BE SOME GARDENS AND SOME, UM, OKAY, SO WE'RE NOT BUILDING ANOTHER STRUCTURE FOR THE ARBORETUM? NO, IT WON'T BE TWO BUILDINGS.
IT'S ONE BUILDING COMBINED INTO THE ONE AND THEN PROGRAMMING FOR BOTH NATURE EDUCATION AND ARBORETUM.
OKAY, WELL WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'VE GOT 14,000 SQUARE FOOT NOW.
OBVIOUSLY YOU WANT BIGGER, SO A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.
I, I WOULD THINK WE NEED TO KNOW HOW BIG, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GROWING OUR CURRENT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD FOLLOW UP ON IF YOU COULD GET THAT INFORMATION FOR US.
ANY, ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT? WHAT, WHAT ITS INTENT IS? EVERYBODY KIND OF SQUARED AWAY.
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GOOD DEAL.THE NEXT PROJECT THAT, UH, WE WE'LL GO TO WILL BE PARKED.
AND THE FIRST ONE, THAT ONE WAS IN BUILDINGS BECAUSE IT INCLUDES A BUILDING EVEN THOUGH IT'S AT THE NATURE SECTION.
I JUST WANTED TO THROW SOMETHING IN REAL QUICK ON THE FACILITIES AND IT'S NOT GONNA SET WELL TO SOME PEOPLE, BUT THAT'S WHAT RISK I TAKE.
BUT THE AGREEMENT THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE WITH EXXON IS THAT IT CAN BE FOR THIS MULTIPURPOSE CENTER AND OR LET ME READ THE WORDS.
PERMITTING, DEVELOPING AND CONSTRUCTING SOMETHING THAT'S SUBSTANTIAL FOR THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT.
THESE FACILITIES WOULD FALL UNDER THAT IF THEY CONTRACT AND IT'S AN AGREEMENT WAS RENEGOTIATED AND THAT'S WHO'S NOT GONNA BE HAPPY WITH IT.
WELL, HE'LL, HE'LL, HE'LL EXPLAIN IT.
THERE'S, WELL, I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S GONNA SAY.
I'VE SAT THROUGH CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND HEARD THAT SIDE.
SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THIS $75 MILLION THAT EXXON HAS PAID UPFRONT FOR FIVE YEARS AS THEIR TAXES FOR THEIR TAXES, NOT A GIFT.
IT'S FOR TAXES SHOULD BE USED FOR SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE AND THAT THESE THREE PROJECTS HERE FIT THAT BETTER THAN THIS PROJECT VECTOR THAT IT'S GOING TO END UP TURNING INTO SOMETHING LIKE A GLORIFIED PUTT PUTT COURSE THAT WE DID VOTE NO FOR.
SO IT'S OBVIOUS CITIZENS DON'T ALWAYS GET LISTENED TO.
'CAUSE WHEN WE SAY NO CITY COUNCIL FINDS A WAY TO GET AROUND IT, OR THE CITY OVERALL FINDS A WAY TO GET AROUND IT.
THE HOTELS, WE ALL KNOW WHERE THE HOTEL SITUATION IS.
IT'S A LOSS FOR OUR PRACTICAL PURPOSES.
SO LET'S FOCUS ON THE PROJECT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US SINCE WE CAN'T CONTROL.
OKAY, WELL, BUT THIS IS JUST, WE CAN'T CONTROL ANYTHING ALREADY.
AGAIN, WHAT THIRD TIME'S GONNA BE A CHARM.
I DON'T SEE THAT MANY WANTS TO SHUT YOU DOWN.
SO WE'RE NOT, I DON'T KNOW, WE'RE NOT INVOLVED IN PROJECT VECTOR.
UM, THE LIBRARY PIECE IS, IS PART OF A CITY AMENITY THAT EXISTS TODAY.
PROJECT VECTOR IS ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THAT'S NOT OUR, THAT'S NOT IN OUR WHEELHOUSE TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS ON THAT.
BUT CAN YOU CLARIFY? I'M NOT SURE WHAT SHE'S REFERRING TO AS FAR AS LEGAL DOCUMENT OR CONTRACT, BUT YEAH, SO THE, THE DOCUMENT DOES SAY THAT MM-HMM
SO I WAS PART OF THE NEGOTIATING TEAM AND WHEN THE NEGOTIATING TEAM LIKE LEADING THAT NEGOTIATION, THAT WAS NOT THE INTENT OF EXXON'S WITH THE AGREEMENT THAT WAS ADDED IN BECAUSE YOU HAD TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WANTED THAT ADDED IN.
YOU FEEL BETTER TO VOTE ON THE CONTRACT FOR THE TWO 12 CONTRACT.
THAT AGREEMENT TO BE CHANGED WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE EXXON BOARD, THE CORPORATE BOARD TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE THAT.
AND SO THAT WOULD MEAN FLYING PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD TO COME VOTE ON MOVING THIS FROM THE, UH, EVENT CENTER THAT THEY AGREED UPON TO SOMETHING ELSE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S WHERE IT DOESN'T, IT CAN BE USED FOR SOMETHING VERY, VERY SPECIFIC, BUT IT COULD ONLY BE USED FOR ONE SPECIFIC THING AND HOW THE LANGUAGE IS WRITTEN.
IT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR ONE PROJECT PERIOD.
IT CAN'T BE USED FOR THIS, THEN THIS, THEN THIS, THEN THIS.
IT CAN BE USED FOR ONE PROJECT.
AND IF YOU DON'T USE IT FOR THAT ONE PROJECT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RAMIFICATIONS ARE FROM, FROM THAT PIECE.
AND SO THEY WOULD TAKE THE CORPORATE BOARD TO RESTRUCTURE THE ENTIRE AGREEMENT TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE IT FROM WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS AT THIS POINT.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT EXXON HAS SOME INPUT YES.
ULTIMATELY ON HOW THAT PROJECT GOES DOWN? THAT'S CORRECT.
IF THAT CHANGES, THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE INPUT.
THAT'S THE NAMING COMPONENT WAS SPECIFIC TO AN EVENT CENTER.
THE NAMING COMPONENT WAS SPECIFIC TO AN EVENT CENTER.
THAT'S THE COMPONENT OF THE, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO GILBERT, I FOUND IT, WE, WE ESTIMATED THAT 13 MILLION ON A 16,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
THAT'S COUPLE THOUSAND BIGGER THAN WHAT YOU HAVE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
NEXT GETS YOU WHAT YOU, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE BUILDING, I THINK THAT WHAT YOU GUYS HAD IS THAT, UM, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE BUILDING IN THE PICTURE AND WE MOVE SOME THINGS AROUND AND THE LAYOUTS THAT YES.
SO 16,000 SQUARE FOOT FOR THE, UH, THE WETLAND CENTER BUILDING.
Y'ALL, DID Y'ALL CATCH THAT? 16,000 SQUARE FEET.
ALRIGHT, THAT'S THE PROJECT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT WELL, WE GOT ALL, WE ALREADY FINISHED THE RETINA CENTER.
SO WE'RE, WE ARE NOW LOOKING AT THE BAYTOWN NATURE CENTER ENHANCEMENT PROJECT.
UH, THIS ONE IS PRETTY EXTENSIVE.
THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPORTING INFORMATION.
SO THIS IS THE, THE NATURE CENTER ITSELF, ALL INCLUSIVE, 500 ACRES, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED.
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ADDITIONS, RENOVATIONS, UPGRADES.AND THIS IS THE ONE, SO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT WITH THE, THE SMALL GROUP THAT CAME IN AND TALKED TO US IS, THIS IS KIND OF LIKE THE EXTRAS.
IF WE, UM, ARE ABLE TO SUPPORT A BUILDING, A NEW BUILDING OUT THERE, THEN THIS WOULD BE THE EXTRAS AFTER THAT.
WE WOULD NOT WANT THIS ONE INSTEAD OF, BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T HAVE A PLACE THE STAFF INVITE OUT THERE TO TAKE CARE OF THESE THINGS.
BUT, UM, THIS WOULD BE THINGS LIKE, UM, EXTRA TRAILS.
WE HAVE, UH, AN AMAZING DESIGN THAT WAS PART OF OUR MASTER PLAN THAT HAD, UM, SOME BOARD, SOME ELEVATED BOARDWALKS AND SOME DIFFERENT GARDENS AND AN AMPHITHEATER AND SOME SORT OF, UM, MAYBE AN OUTDOOR ROPES COURSE OR SOME SORT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, AN ACTIVE AMENITY OUT THERE.
SO THIS IS ALL OF THE LITTLE EXTRAS THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE OUT THERE.
BUT I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT ONLY IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO A BUILDING OUT THERE AND THE, THE WETLAND CENTER BUILDING IS THE BUILDING THAT WOULD SUPPORT ALL OF IT.
SO NONE OF THIS INCLUDES A, A STRUCTURE OF THAT'S RIGHT.
BUT THIS IS PART OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND THE MASTER PLAN AS WELL.
AND THE DESIGN THAT'S IN HERE, UM, HAS SOME OF THE, UM, COMPONENTS TO THE WHAT'S IN THE MASTER PLAN.
'CAUSE THAT'S PRETTY MUCH A WALL.
THE ACTUAL NEED OUT THERE IS THE REPLACEMENT OF THE PEERS.
AND THEY'RE NOT IN THIS PROJECT.
HOWEVER, WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH ANOTHER WAY TO GET THOSE, THOSE, UM, FIXED SOON AND KAYAK LAUNCHES, WHICH IS, THERE IS A KAYAK LAUNCH OUT THERE.
IT WAS, WHERE IS IT WHAT LAST? SIX MONTHS AGO IT WAS INSTALLED.
LIKE WHEN YOU'RE GOING OUT TO THE POINT, YOU TURN RIGHT AND TURN LEFT.
I HAVEN'T BEEN, I'M OUT, I'M OUT THERE FOUR DAYS A WEEK.
SO I JUST, I HAVEN'T WALKED DOWN HERE LATELY.
I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MOSQUITO SPRAY.
I'LL GIVE YOU SOME MOSQUITO SPRAY.
YES, YOU NEED TO SELL A MISSION.
I'D GO TO THE OTHER END WHERE THERE'S A BREEZE.
WELL FOLKS, THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, A LARGE SCOPE PROJECT.
UM, AND A LOT OF, LIKE TRACY SAID, SUPPORT FOR THE FIRST, I WOULD SAY PHASE, WHICH WOULD BE THE WETLAND CENTER BUILDING RELOCATION OUT THERE.
AND SO THIS ONE WITHOUT THE WETLAND CENTER WOULDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
SO, UM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THIS BEING PART OF THE MASTER PLAN, IS THAT PART OF THE CITY'S MASTER PLAN OR THE PARKS PLAN? PARKS AND REC MASTER PLAN.
THE CITY ADOPTED STRATEGIC PLAN AND THE COUNCIL ADOPTED THE, AND THE COUNCIL ADOPTED THE MISSION.
AND SO CITY'S STRATEGIC, ADOPTED STRATEGIC PLAN.
ANY QUESTIONS ON WHAT THE SCOPE IS FOR THIS PROJECT AND THE IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE TO THE COMMUNITY AND EVERYONE ELSE VISITING BAYTOWN, TEXAS? I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF OUT OF TOWN VISITORS TO COME.
THERE ARE TO THE BAYTOWN NATURE CENTER.
IT'S A, IT'S A VERY, IT'S A DESTINATION.
AGAIN, I THINK THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T REALIZE HOW BIG OF A DESTINATION IT IS.
IT, IT IS FOR FOLKS OUTSIDE THE CITY.
ANY, ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? OR INFORMATION NEEDED? OKAY.
WELL LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
IN THE BOOK IS THE WAYNE GRAY SPORTS COMPLEX.
THIS IS A $5.4 MILLION PROPOSED PROJECT SITE IMPROVEMENTS, NATURAL TURF SEALS TO SYNTHETIC PARKING AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS.
DID WE GET SOME, WE HAD SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
UH, PAGES TWO AND THREE BEHIND THAT PAGE.
THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION, A LOT OF THEM TO US AT OUR PREVIOUS GET TOGETHER.
AND I THINK THE THING STRUCK ME WAS THERE WAS, I BELIEVE A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF, UH, UH, RAINOUTS BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NATURAL, UH, TURF FIELDS.
AND ONE OF THE BIG UPGRADES THEY'RE ASKING FOR HERE IS IMPROVED PARKING AS WELL AS, UH, UH, ASTRO TURF FIELDS.
AND I CAN'T RECALL THE PERCENTAGE OF, UH, RAINOUTS WAS, WHAT WAS IT, 40%? IT'S IN THE NEXT PAGE.
I THINK THE NEXT PAGE BEHIND THAT.
AND YOU CAN SEE IN THESE PHOTOS THAT ARE IN YOUR PAGE, IT, THE EXACT SAME THING HAPPENED THIS PAST WEEKEND.
IT WAS BEAUTIFUL FRIDAY, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
WE HAD 50 TEAMS COMING TO BAYTOWN THAT WE HAD TO CANCEL 'CAUSE IT RAINED ON WEDNESDAY.
SO JUST REMEMBER THAT THESE AREN'T FROM THIS WEEKEND, BUT IT HAPPENED AGAIN THIS WEEKEND.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE TWO PITCHERS THERE.
YOU CAN SEE THE STANDING WATER ON THE FIELDS AFTER IT RAIN.
AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE BEAUTIFUL BLUE SKY, UH, AND THE NICE GREEN GRASS.
BUT THE FIELDS ARE UNPLAYABLE.
THIS IS TO FIX THOSE FIELDS TO BE ARTIFICIAL TURF.
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THIS.UH, THE PICTURES HERE ON THE BOTTOM OF YOUR PAGE, THIS SHOWS, UH, A PARKING.
THESE ARE THE TOURNAMENTS WE BOOKED.
YOU CAN SEE THE PARKING PEOPLE ARE PARKED ALL IN THE GRASS.
THEY'RE PARKED IN THE GRASS OF OUR NEIGHBORS.
UH, THIS IS THE, UH, EAST ROAD SIDE, WHICH IS OPPOSITE, UH, OF THE, UH, THIS IS 57 NORTH MAIN 51 17 NORTH MAINS PARKING LOT.
THIS IS, UH, 5,300 EAST ROADS PARKING LOT.
THIS IS WHERE PIRATE BAY SHARES THIS WEEKEND.
PIRATE BAY HAD A, A GOOD CROWD.
AND SO WE HAD A REALLY CONGESTED PARKING LOT BETWEEN THE GIRLS SOFTBALL AND THE, UM, AND THE, AND THE WAYNE GRAY, OR I'M SORRY, AND PIRATE BAY, IF YOU, UH, ALSO THAT 50 TEAM TOURNAMENT WOULD'VE MADE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SAME FACILITY THAT SHARES THE PARKING LOT AS A NIGHTMARE, A NIGHTMARE FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED.
AND THAT'S WITHOUT THE CRICKET PITCH BEING USED.
AND THAT'S WITHOUT REPUBLIC OF TEXAS BEING USED TOO.
SO WE ARE HAVING TO BLOCK OFF PARKING LOT BLOCK OFF FIELDS FOR REPUBLIC OF TEXAS SO THAT WE DON'T INTERFERE TOO MUCH WITH THEM.
UH, AND THEIR, UH, INITIATIVES AND THINGS THAT THEY DO, WHICH ALSO SHARE THE SAME PARKING LOT.
UH, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR, THEIR HOUSES FOR REPUBLIC OF TEXAS ARE RIGHT HERE AT JASON'S OF THIS PARKING LOT.
SO, UH, THIS WOULD BE TO, UH, TO FINISH OUT THE TURF PROJECT AND TO ADD THE PARKING.
AND THEN I THINK IT'S EVEN AN ADDITIONAL PARKING LOT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF PIRATE BAY TOO, TO HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT.
SO YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A SMALL PARKING LOT OVER THERE.
AND WITH TALKS NEW MANAGEMENT TEAM, WE'RE EXPLORING A POSSIBILITY OF VALLEY PARKING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR PIRATES BAY TO GET, YOU KNOW, FAMILIES THAT WANT TO COME IN WITH A BUNCH OF KIDS UNLOAD REAL QUICK AND THEN SEND IN THE CAR TO THE VALET.
THEY CAN TAKE THEIR STAFF AND TAKE OVER TO THE VALET LOT.
SO WE KNOW PIRATES BAY IS A DESTINATION FOR FOLKS OUT OF TOWN AND IT'S, IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF REVENUE GENERATOR, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THE, THE SPORTS FIELDS AND THE TOURNAMENTS AND ALL THAT, UH, ARE THOSE LIKE MULTI-DAY TOURNAMENTS? SO IT, IT DEPENDS.
AND SO THAT, THAT IS KIND OF WHAT CAME FIRST.
THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG, RIGHT? WE BOOK A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TOURNAMENTS, RIGHT? WE ARE REALLY GOOD WITH BOOKING RELATIVELY LIKE MEDIUM SIZE TO SMALL SIZE BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO PUT A LOT OF SKIN IN THE GAME, PER SE.
IF YOU WERE RENTING A WEEK LONG TOURNAMENT OR A A FOUR DAY TOURNAMENT, THE, THE LIKELIHOOD IF, IF YOU LOOK AND SEE A CANCELLATION RATE OF 67% AND YOU WANNA BRING A BIG TOURNAMENT HERE, YOU'RE ROLLING THE DICE THAT THE OTHER PART, WHAT IS THAT? 40 SOMETHING? WHAT IS IT? 37.
YEAH, YOU GUYS ARE SMARTER THAN ME.
THAT'S A 37% CHANCE THAT ALL THE HARD WORK YOU'VE PUT INTO FOR OVER A YEAR IS GONNA HAPPEN.
AND DO YOU WANNA TAKE THAT GAMBLE OR DO YOU WANT TO GO DOWN THE STREET TO A CITY THAT HAS ARTIFICIAL TURF THAT WOULD 99% SUCCESSFUL? YOU? THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE DEAL WITH, WITH ATTRACTING BIG TOURNAMENTS.
WE HAVE PHENOMENAL, UH, WAYS TO FACILITATE TOURNAMENTS.
WE JUST CAN'T GET 'EM IN BECAUSE ON A BEAUTIFUL DAY THEY GOT STAINED WATER ON 'EM.
SO THIS, UH, FOLKS COMING FOR THESE, UH, LONGER TOURNAMENTS, TALKING HOTELS, RESTAURANTS, UH, JUST MORE SALES TAX COMING IN.
AND, AND THE BEAUTY ABOUT THE WAYNE GRAY SPORTS COMPLEX, AGAIN, IT IS RIGHT THERE WITH UH, PIRATE BAY.
THE BEAUTY OF THAT, THAT FACILITY IS, IT'S SO CLOSE TO I 10, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST NORTHERN PARKS THAT WE OPERATE AND, UH, TOURNAMENT DIRECTORS LOVE IT BECAUSE IT, UNLIKE LEAGUE CITY AND WEBSTER AND ALL THOSE DOWN THERE, WE CAN PULL FROM LOUISIANA EXTREMELY EASILY.
AND IT'S A PHENOMENAL FACILITY.
IT'S EIGHT FIELDS ALREADY, FOUR OF WHICH ARE DESIGNED FOR GIRLS FAST PITCH EIGHT OR FOUR OR ADULT SLOW PITCH.
THESE ARE PRIMARILY FOR THE, THE, THE, UM, THE TURF IS FOR THE ADULT SLOW PITCH HERE.
UM, BUT WE COULD, UH, EVEN IF WE HAD FOUR ADULT SLOW PITCH FIELDS THAT WERE TURF, WE COULD OVERFLOW INTO ONE ANOTHER A LOT EASIER IF WE HAD ARTIFICIAL TURF.
'CAUSE WE COULD GUARANTEE AT LEAST FOUR FIELDS.
SO DOES THIS SCOPE OF WORK FOR FOUR FIELDS OR ALL EIGHT? THIS, THIS IS TO FINISH OUT A PROJECT FOR ALL EIGHT FIELDS.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MIKE.
THIS IS TO FINISH OUT ALL EIGHT FIELDS.
UH, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, ALL FOUR FIELDS, UH, ON THE, UM, ON THE 57 17 NORTH MAIN SIDE.
SO IT'S ALL THE FOUR ADULT SOFTBALL FIELDS THAT WE ATTRACT AND WE, UM, FACILITATE TOURNAMENTS FOR.
SO THIS ONE, THIS IS FOR ALL FOUR, FOUR OF THE ONES THAT WE RUN RIGHT HERE? YEAH.
SO SO THESE FOUR HERE? YEAH, THE OTHER FOUR, UH, SORRY, THESE FOUR HERE ARE USED SOFTBALL FIELDS DOWN HERE.
SO THAT'S NOT PART OF THE, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE TURF PLANT, ALTHOUGH IT'LL HELP WITH THEIR PARKING BECAUSE THE PARKING LOT, UH, THERE'S A PLAN TO BUILD OUT THIS LOT HERE FOR PARKING LOT FOR PIRATE FA PRIMARILY, BUT THAT WOULD OPEN UP THAT OTHER PARKING LOT FOR, UH, THE, THE, UH, GRILL SOFTBALL AND ALL THAT.
WAS THE SCOPE JUST RES YOU KNOW, TURF FIELDS TO SYNTHETIC AND THEY'RE EIGHT FIELDS SHOWN? CORRECT.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR FIELDS ONLY? YES SIR.
FOUR INFIELDS OF THESE FOUR FIELDS
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SO FOUR INFIELD.SO HOW MANY TOURNAMENTS DO YOU BOOK A YEAR? INCLUSION COUNCIL RACE, MAN.
WE, UH, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I GUARANTEE YOU IT'S AROUND 40.
WE'RE ALMOST EVERY, IT'S PROBABLY MORE THAN 40, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BECAUSE WE'RE ALMOST EVERY WEEKEND AND I'M JUST BUILDING IN A, A BUFFER TO BE ON THE CONSERVATIVE.
I GUESS A BETTER QUESTION, WOULD YOU, HOW MANY DAYS OF TOURNAMENTS DO YOU GUYS DO IN THE YEAR THAT WE BOOK? YEAH, I CAN GET, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GET YOU THAT NUMBER.
SO INCLUDING THE CANCELLATIONS.
AND IN FACT, WE'RE STARTING TO TRACK PER A LOT OF THE METRICS THAT WE'RE STARTING TO TRACK IN PARKS AND REC IN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN AND HOLE, THAT'S ONE OF THE ONES WE'RE BOOK IS, IS ONE OF THE ONES WE'RE STARTING TO TRACK.
AND WHERE THAT NUMBER CAME FROM, THAT 47% NUMBER CAME FROM IS BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, THE, THE AMOUNT THAT WE BOOK VERSUS THE AMOUNT THAT COME TO FRUITION BECAUSE OF WEATHER.
AND THAT'S ONLY WEATHER RELATED ISSUES THERE.
OCCASIONALLY YOU HAVE TOURNAMENT DIRECTORS THAT COME IN, THEY DON'T GET ENOUGH, UH, TEAMS THAT SIGN UP.
THEY, THEY HAVE TO LIKE CANCEL LAST MINUTE.
IF A, IF A TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR BOOKS WITH US, THEY TYPICALLY PLAY, UNLESS IT'S A WEATHER RELATION RELATED FROM, SO WHEN THE TURN THE TOURNAMENTS THAT YOU ACTUALLY DO NOT, THE ONES THAT ARE CANCELED, DO THEY, DO THEY BREAK EVEN ON MONEY ON THE CITY SIDE? OR ARE WE SUBSIDIZING THOSE? UH, NO, WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T SUBSIDIZE, IF ANYTHING, UH, THE WAY THAT OUR STRUCTURE IS SET UP CURRENTLY IS THAT WE RECOUP ALL THE FUNDS IN OUR CONCESSION SALES AND EVERYTHING.
WE, WE HAVE A RENTAL RATE FOR OUR FIELDS AS WELL, OBVIOUSLY, BUT WE RECOUP A LOT WITH THE, UH, CONCESSION SALES AND, AND, AND THAT THE, UH, TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR MAKES MORE MONEY ON THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE PARTICIPATING.
BUT THEY TAKE ON THE EXPENSES OF PAYING UMPIRES, OF, UH, PAYING CONSTABLES, UH, OF ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT HELPS THAT, THAT COST OF FACILITATE TOURNAMENTS.
SO THE TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR BRINGS IN MONEY AND PUTS OUT MONEY.
CITY OF BAYTOWN DOESN'T PUT OUT MONEY FOR CONSTABLES OUT THERE OR OFFICIAL.
WE HAVE STAFF OUT THERE, RIGHT? WE DO HAVE, WE HAVE MINIMAL THEFT.
WE'D HAVE A LOT LESS STAFF WITH ARTIFICIAL TURF BECAUSE WE'LL BE DRAGGING THE FIELDS BETWEEN EVERY GAME.
WE, IT WOULD CUT DOWN SOME THAT STAFF SIGNIFICANTLY TO HAVE ARTIFICIAL TURF.
SO WHAT WE FOUND OUT, THIS IS MORE THAN JUST PUTTING SOME NICE CLEAN TURF OUT ON THE FIELD, RIGHT? MM-HMM
IT'S THE FOUR, THE FOUR BIG FIELDS ON NORTH MAIN SIDE.
I THINK, I THINK WHAT'S IMPACTFUL ALSO IS THE ADDITIONAL PARKING, BECAUSE WHEN YOU DRIVE BY THERE ON NORTH MAIN SIDE, THEY ARE PARKED EVERYWHERE.
SO I CAN JUST IMAGINE I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE WHEN, WHEN, UH, YOU KNOW, EAST ROAD IS PARKED HALF OF THE DITCH AND HALF ON THE ROAD.
BUT, SO EVERYBODY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? UH, UNDERSTANDING THE IMPACT OF DOING THIS, UH, WHAT, WHAT BENEFIT IT WOULD BE FOR THE CITY AND ALSO THE, ALSO THE IMPACT IF IT DOESN'T GET FIXED RIGHT.
WE'RE JUST IN THE SAME MODE OF 67% CANCELLATIONS AND LOST OPPORTUNITIES.
I LIKE TO PIGGYBACK ON, BECAUSE THAT'S A A GREAT POINT.
OUR, THESE FIELDS ARE USED ALMOST EVERY WEEKEND BY TOURNAMENTS, RIGHT OUTSIDE PEOPLE COMING IN.
THESE FIELDS ARE USED ALMOST EVERY NIGHT FOR, UH, UH, RESIDENTS OR, OR CLOSE RESIDENTS OF BAYTOWN.
WE HOST, UH, WE HOST, UH, RECREATIONAL LEAGUES, COMPETITIVE LEAGUES, SENIOR LEAGUES, AND UH, AND CO-ED LEAGUES.
EVERY SINGLE WEEK OF EVERY SINGLE YEAR THAT WE, WE, WE HAVE UPWARDS OF 64 TEAMS OF 10 TO 12 INDIVIDUALS PLAYING OUT THERE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE WEEK.
IN ADDITION TO THE TOURNAMENT STUFF, TOURNAMENT STUFF'S ALL ICING ON THE CAKE AND THE RESIDENTS USE THIS FACILITY TOO.
IS THERE OUR CHARGE FOR TO PLAY IN THE LEAGUE? YEAH, TO PLAY IN THE LEAGUE.
THERE'S A TEAM FEE, A $200 TEAM FEE, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO PAY THE UMPIRE AS WELL.
UM, BUT YEAH, THERE IS A, THERE'S A FEE THAT COMES TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION TO PLAY IN A LEAGUE.
IF A LEAGUE GETS RAINED OUT, THE GAMES GET MADE UP, BUT THAT, THAT TIMELINE PUSHES BACK.
SO IN THEORY, IF WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY RAIN ISSUES OR WEATHER ISSUES, WE COULD HAVE MORE LEAGUES IN THERE.
WE COULD HAVE MORE TEAMS REGISTERED, WHICH WOULD BRING UP REVENUE.
AND THAT REVENUE THAT Y'ALL GET FROM THE TEAMS, WHAT DO Y'ALL DO WITH THAT? IT GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND.
BUT IT GOES, THERE'S A REVENUE FUND THAT GOES TO REVENUE.
IT DOESN'T COME BACK TO PARKS AND RIGHT.
IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE, IN A ROUNDABOUT WAY IT DOES, BUT NOT EXACTLY.
IT'S NOT LIKE A ENTERPRISE FUND, I THINK.
I THINK WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER IS THE CITY'S NOT SUBSIDIZING NO, NO, NO, NO PLAY OUT THERE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO REVENUE GENERATOR, AND WE RUN EVERYTHING ON THOSE FOUR FIELDS ARE, ARE EVERYTHING ON THE FOUR FIELDS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS RANKED COMPLETELY IN-HOUSE BY PARKS AND REC.
WE FACILITATE OR CONTRACT WITH A PERMIT DIRECTOR TO MIKE'S POINT EARLIER, BUT ALL THE LEAK PLAY AND EVERYTHING DURING THE WEEK AND ALL OF THAT IS ALL FACILITATED BY PARKS AND RECREATION CARS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE WAYNE GRAY SPORTS COMPLEX? SO THIS, UH, 5.4,
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ALMOST $5.5 BILLION HITS ALL THE PARKING AND THE FIELDS.WHAT'S WHAT IT SAYS HERE, RIGHT? WHAT'S THE LAST SPAN OF TURF? UH, YOU PUT IT IN BASIC, IT DEPENDS ON THE TURF YOU BUY, OBVIOUSLY.
UH, IT'S ANYWHERE FROM 10 TO 18 YEARS OR SO.
IT'S ABOUT THE LIFESPAN DEPEND ON HOW WELL YOU TAKE CARE OF IT, THE WEATHER AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
GOOD QUESTIONS AND, AND GOOD INFORMATION ON, UH, THE IMPACT OF THAT PROJECT.
THE NEXT PROJECT IS, UH, THE UNI D PARK IMPROVEMENTS.
SO WE'RE OFF ERHART AND, UH, WHERE ARE WE AT? YEAH.
UH, THIS IS A, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY THAN THE LAST ONE, BUT THIS ONE HAS ALSO SITE IMPROVEMENTS AND, UH, FOOTBALL FIELDS WITH LIGHTING AND BLEACHERS AND A NEW MAINTENANCE SHED, ADDITIONAL PARKING, NEW PUMP TRACK.
EXPANDING THE SKATE PARK AND PROVIDING DRAINAGE DETENTION.
SO AGAIN, THERE WAS MORE INFORMATION PROVIDED.
THIS WAS NICE TO SEE THE, THE LAYOUT OF WHAT THE PARK WOULD LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, BUILT OUT, UH, LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ACCESS PARKING FROM THE STATE HIGHWAY 1 46 PETER ROAD SIDE, WHICH WOULD MAKE THAT BETTER.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE ACCESS FROM LYNCHBURG.
SO ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ABOUT THIS ONE? IT'S GOT A LOT OF COMPONENTS TO IT.
IS EXXON, ISN'T EXXON IN, IN THE PROCESS OF BUYING UP A LOT OF THAT PROPERTY? MY CONCERN WITH THAT IS THAT WE BUILD A PARK THERE AND THEN IT GETS ABSORBED BY EXXON AT SOME POINT.
SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, UM, PLANS TO BUILD, TO BUY UP THAT AREA RIGHT WHERE THAT PARK IS.
YOU'RE YOU'RE RIGHT THOUGH THAT THE AREA NORTH OF THERE, I THINK IT WAS WHERE THE OLD, OLD APARTMENTS WERE.
THAT WAS ALL BOUGHT UP BY EXXON, ALL THAT AS PART OF THEIR GREEN BELT.
BUT I, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY LIKE HAVING THE PARK IN THE PROXIMITY TO THEIR FACILITY.
THEY LIKE THEIR, THEIR EMPLOYEES TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE IT AS WELL.
SO, BUT THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN PAYING FOR IT.
THEY JUST TRIED TO BUY UP THE HOMES TOO.
I KNEW THEY BOUGHT UP THE HOMES, BUT YEAH.
ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? AS, AS FAR AS THE SCOPE? ARE THESE, UH, FIELDS, WOULD THESE, WOULD THESE BE, UH, UTILIZED BY ANY, SO, SO THESE ARE, AND I DON'T SOUND MEAN TO SOUND LIKE A NERD OR ANYTHING, BUT THESE ARE RECTANGLE FIELDS, RIGHT? RIGHT.
UH, RECTANGLE FIELDS, THESE WOULD PRIMARILY BE USED FOR FOOTBALL, RIGHT? SO YES, WE HAVE, LET, LET, LET, LET, LEMME CLARIFY.
YOU'RE TALKING AMERICAN FOOTBALL.
JUST SO WE HAVE IN PARKS AND REC IN OUR 53 PARKS, WE HAVE A HANDFUL OF SOCCER FIELDS.
WE HAVE A HANDFUL OF PRACTICE FOOTBALL FIELDS.
A PRACTICE FIELD SEPARATES FROM A GAME FIELD 'CAUSE THERE'S NO RESTROOMS AND NO BLEACHERS AND NO FENCING, THERE'S NO PARKING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, THE ONLY FACILITY THAT WE HAVE IN OUR INVENTORY THAT HAS, UH, GAME FIELDS IF YOU WILL, IS 4,700 VILLAGE LANE, WHICH IS A BAYTOWN SOCCER PARK.
I HAVE TO BE CONFUSED WITH BAYTOWN SOCCER COMPLEX, WHICH IS A CITY OR COUNTY FACILITY NORTH OF I 10.
SO WE HAVE THE BAYTOWN SOCCER PARK,
WE HAVE ONE FULL SIZE SOCCER FIELD THERE, WHICH IS ALSO A RECTANGULAR FIELD.
RIGHT? SO ANY SPORT THAT PLAYS ON A RECTANGULAR FIELD IS NOW TRYING TO GET INTO THE SOCCER PARK TO PLAY THERE.
SO WE HAVE LIKE, UH, ORGANIZATIONS LIKE T FOOTBALL, LIKE CHARGERS FOOTBALL, LIKE, UH, OUR ADULT LEAGUES.
WE HAD AT ONE POINT WE HAD A LOT OF ADULTS LIKE FOOTBALL.
WE HAD A LOT OF ADULT, UH, SOCCER.
AND THEY'RE ALL FIGHTING FOR SPACE ON ONE FULL SIZE LIT AND IRRIGATED FIELD WITH A PARKING LOT AND RESTROOMS. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
UH, WE HAVE CHILDREN PRACTICING, UH, TIFFY FOOTBALL AT A 17TH HOLE OF A DISC GOLF COURSE AT JENKINS PARK.
IF YOU EVER GO INTO JENKINS PARK AFTER HOURS OR LATE IN THE AFTERNOON, UH, DURING FOOTBALL SEASON, THAT BIG BOTTLENECK THAT YOU PROBABLY HATE WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING BY IS A BUNCH OF KIDS FIGHTING FOR SPACE TO PRACTICE.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A FACILITY FOR 'EM ANYWHERE.
AND, UH, SO THIS IS A HIGH NEED FOR, FOR PARKS AND REC.
UH, IT ADDRESSES THAT AND IT GIVES A GOOD PROXIMITY.
UH, THIS IS WHAT I WANNA SHOW YOU ON THIS ONE TO THE PROJECT VECTOR SITE.
JUST TO KIND OF KEEP IN MIND, IF WE WERE TO DEVELOP THIS OUT AND ADD A BIG PARKING LOT THERE, THAT OVERFLOW PARKING LOT COULD BE UTILIZED FOR LARGER EVENTS LIKE THAT AT PROJECT VECTOR AS WELL.
SO, AND IT'S ANOTHER SPORTS CORRECT.
RELATED COMPLEX TO THE ABSOLUTELY.
TO THE EVENT CENTER COMPLEX AND WHATEVER SPORTS ACTIVITIES IS GOING THERE.
OH, AND, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, A PUMP TRACK, THERE'S A PICTURE OF A PUMP TRACK MM-HMM
ON THE PAGE ON THE BOTTOM HERE.
THAT'S A, UH, IT'S A, IT'S INTENDED FOR BICYCLES TO BE ABLE TO USE YOUR, YOUR MOTION WITHOUT PEDALING TO GO AROUND.
THEY'RE STARTING TO BECOME REALLY BIG.
UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN OUR MASTER PLAN AS A, UH, AMENITY THAT WE ARE LACKING AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ADD.
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UH, AND SO WE THOUGHT WITH THE PROXIMITY TO THE SKATE PARK THAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE, IT'D BE A GOOD SPOT TO ADD THAT AS WELL.BUT THERE'S A PICTURE OF A PUMP DRIVE BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WON'T SEARCH SECOND REGIONAL PARK.
DESTINED TO BE A REGIONAL PARK OR NO.
I MEAN, IF IT HAD THIS, IT COULD BE, BUT IT'S NOT.
THAT'S, UH, YOU PROBABLY THINK OF ROSELYN.
ANY, ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? WHAT IT ADDS AS FAR AS AMENITIES AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR PARKS AND REC USAGE.
THE NEXT ONE WE HAVE IS THE GENE AND LORETTA RUSSELL PARK.
THIS IS OFF OF, UH, VILLE ROAD, JUST EAST OF NORTH MAIN DUKE CREEK AREA.
THE SOUTH END OF IT, THE LITTLE CORNER THERE IS THE, UH, THAT'S THE CITY'S EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER.
I DID NOT HAVE EVERYTHING WHEN Y'ALL, WHEN THE GROUP FIRST TALKED ABOUT THIS.
UM, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT RUSSELL PARK, SORRY, I'M TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING UP HERE.
SO THIS IS NORTH OF I 10, AS CLIFF MENTIONED, THERE ARE NO, THERE ARE NO PARKS NORTH OF I 10 FOR THE CITY OF BAYTOWN.
YOU HAVE A BAYTOWN SOCCER COMPLEX THAT'S HARRIS COUNTIES AND RAN BY HARRIS COUNTY.
THIS IS AN ADOPTED PLAN BY THE CITY COUNCIL BY GEORGE, UH, GINA LORETTA RUSSELL PARK.
THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE THE DATE ON THIS AT THIS POINT.
THE INTENT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS RUSSELL PARK, UM, IS RIGHT HERE.
THIS WAS THE DESIGN THAT WAS ADOPTED IN THIS PLAN.
UM, EVEN THOUGH, UH, GINA, LORETTA, WHAT THEY WANTED WERE CHAMPIONSHIP BASEBALL FIELDS.
AND THIS WAS GEARED TOWARDS MORE, UH, SOCCER FIELDS DOWN THERE, MORE RECTANGULAR PARKS TO BE ABLE TO USE.
AND ONCE THE PLAN WAS ADOPTED, IT KIND OF SET BECAUSE THERE WASN'T FUNDING FOR, UH, TO PUT ANYTHING TOWARDS THIS PARK.
AND SO RIGHT NOW IT IS A VERY LARGE GREEN SPACE THAT HAS, UH, NO FUNDING AND NO ACCESS FOR PEOPLE.
NOW PEOPLE DO GO OUT THERE AND THEY FISH AT THAT LAKE.
AND, UM, IT IS, YOU HAVE TO PARK UP ON VILLE ROAD AND WALK DOWN TO THE LAKE IF YOU WANT TO FISH BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS INTO IT.
NOW SINCE, UH, ON TOP OF THAT, WE HAVE ABOUT, UH, 700 TO 900 MORE HOMES ABOUT TO BE ADDED TO THE NORTH SIDE OF I 10 RIGHT NOW, UH, THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE DEVELOPMENT PHASE TO BUILD OUT TO I 10.
SO I 10 IS GOING CRAZY RIGHT NOW.
THE, THE THING TO CONSIDER IS THIS LAND WAS DONATED BY MR. RUSSELL AND BEFORE HIS PASSING, UH, BEFORE HE PASSED, HE ALSO BOUGHT THIS LAND OUT BEHIND THE, UH, VFW AND DONATED THAT.
AND THEN HIS ESTATE HAS BOUGHT THIS ACCESS ALONG THIS ROAD HERE TO HAVE A CONNECTION TO MAIN STREET AS WELL AND, AND IS DONATING THAT TO THE CITY AS PART OF THE, THE THING NOW THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOMETHING OUT HERE TO PROVIDE AN AMENITY TO THE RESIDENCE OF BAYTOWN ON THE NORTH SIDE OF I 10.
RIGHT NOW, THE FUNDING IS NOT AVAILABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, AND THE ONLY REASON THAT WE ARE PITCHING THIS TO Y'ALL TODAY IS BECAUSE FUNDING HAS BECOME AVAILABLE THROUGH HARRIS COUNTY PRECINCT THREE.
IT HAS NOT BEEN SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN ON A TOP PRIORITY LIST FOR THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE, UH, WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS THINGS, UH, MORE FOCUSED ON LEADS THAN ONCE THE CHANGE CAME WITH THIS PROPOSAL BY THE JEAN AND LORETTA RUSSELL ESTATE, THEY WILL BUILD A CHAMPIONSHIP CALIBER FIELD.
THEY WANT TO BUILD A CHAMPIONSHIP BASEBALL CALIBER FIELD THAT WILL HOST ALL OF THE REGIONAL BASEBALL TOURNAMENTS.
SO THIS IS, THIS FIELD THAT YOU SEE UP THERE THAT'S IN COLOR IS AN ACTUAL MINOR LEAGUE FIELD.
IT'S ONE THAT WAS BUILT IN ARIZONA.
WHERE, WHERE DO WE SEE THAT? OR NO, IT WAS OUT IN TEXAS.
AND IT'S A MINOR LEAGUE FIELD.
ON TOP OF THAT, THEY WILL BUILD THE OTHER BASEBALL FIELDS THAT YOU SEE IN THAT, IN THAT AREA THAT OF THE LAND THAT THEY JUST BOUGHT.
THEY WILL PUT IN THE ROAD, THEY WILL PUT IN THE TRAILS, THEY WILL PUT IN THE TWO PLAYGROUNDS AND THEY WILL PUT IN THE PARKING LOTS.
UM, FOR THIS, THAT WILL ALL BE ON HARRIS COUNTY.
WE'RE TALKING ANYWHERE FROM FIVE TO $10 MILLION ON TOP OF THAT.
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MR. RUSSELL, MR. RUSSELL'S ESTATE HAS DONATED THE MONEY NECESSARY TO MAINTAIN THE PARK IN PERPETUITY BASED ON HIS ESTATE'S ASSETS.THE ASK OF THE CITY IS FOR $5 MILLION TO DO THE DRAINAGE NECESSARY FOR THE FACILITY.
THAT'S THE ONLY ASK THE $5 MILLION TO DO THE DRAINAGE.
THEY THEN PUT IN THE REST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
THEY MAINTAIN IT IN PERPETUITY.
IT WILL BE IN CONNECTION AS A HARRIS COUNTY PRECINCT THREE PARK IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY OF BAYTOWN.
AND IT WILL CONNECT TO THE BAYTOWN SOCCER COMPLEX, WHICH IS JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, UH, WALLACE FIELD ROAD.
I DID NOT HAVE ALL THIS FOR Y'ALL WHEN Y'ALL FIRST HAD YOUR PARKS MEETING, BUT THAT HAS BEEN THE ENTIRE PITCH, UH, NO PUN INTENDED, UH, FROM, UH, MR. RUSSELL'S ESTATE.
UH, SO WHAT'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT HARRIS COUNTY'S PUT IN? I MEAN, UH, ROUGHLY $10 MILLION AND THEN ROUGHLY $500,000 A YEAR TO MAINTAIN.
THAT'S A DONE DEAL OR COMMITTED DEAL.
IT'S A COMMITTED DEAL FROM MR. RAMSEY FOR THE 5 MILLION RIGHT NOW.
BUT THEY'RE, MR. RUSSELL'S ESTATE IS HELPING PAY FOR THE MINOR LEAGUE FIELD.
SO IT IS A KIND OF A IT'S A YEAH.
AND THE CITY'S, THE CITY'S PIECE WOULD THEN BE THIS 5 MILLION FOR THE DRAIN.
LIKE WHEN WE DO GRANTS, WE HAVE TO HAVE A MATCH.
AND SO OUR MATCH IS THE $5 MILLION.
THIS IS PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR TRACY MAYBE, IS THAT, IS THAT LAKE SUITABLE ENOUGH THAT WE COULD GET BACK INTO THE TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE FISHING PROGRAM? KIDS AND GRANTS AND, AND GETTING THE RAINBOW TROUT COMING BACK IN OCTOBER THAT WE LOST WHEN THE GOLF CART CAME IN.
'CAUSE THEY JUST GAVE OUT A TON OF MONEY CITIES ALL AROUND US IN THE PARK PROGRAM AND THAT PROGRAM.
'CAUSE WE LOST ONLY ONE FACILITY YOU HAD THAT WAS AVAILABLE TO US.
SO THAT WOULD BE SUITABLE FOR THAT TOO.
I'D PLUS, LIKE I SAID, I'D OF MY LIFE.
YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT GO OUT TO SHE ROAD CATCH SOME TRACK.
SO WHAT WE HAVE IS FROM WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING US IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT SCOPE IN TERMS OF THE BOUNDARIES OF THIS, THIS PROPERTY.
YEAH, IT'S BEEN CHANGED SINCE WE STARTED.
WHAT'S THE TOTAL ACREAGE ABOUT? I WANT TO SAY SOMEBODY TOLD ME EIGHT.
IS IT ON HERE? NO, IT'S IN THE, IT'S IN, OH IT'S IN THE BOOK.
I MEAN THE BOOK, THIS BOOK THE MASTER PLAN I HAVE.
I THINK THE ORIGINAL PIECE WAS 40 ACRES, WASN'T IT? I WAS GONNA SAY 60 ACRES PLUS IS WHAT I REMEMBER IT BEING.
WELL IT IS SUBSTANTIAL PROPERTY.
I KNOW THE SIGN'S BEEN OUT THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY WERE ALIVE, THEY, THEY TRIED TO GET SOMETHING DONE.
I THINK WE SAT IN ON A MEETING WITH COMMISSIONER RAMSEY.
HE HAD INTEREST THAT NORTH OF I 10 IS HIS PRECINCT, YOU KNOW, AND SO HE, THAT'S ALL REALLY WHAT HE'S GOT IN BAYTOWN.
THE SOCCER COMPLEX AND THEN THIS POTENTIAL.
I THINK JASON MAY HAVE BEEN SURPRISED IF HE HAD AN INTEREST IN IT.
AND THAT THEY ACTUALLY BACKED IT UP.
A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL SAY, YEAH, YEAH, WE, WE WANT DO IT WHEN HE'S, ANYWAY, SO THAT'S A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION.
AND THE ORIGINAL THAT'S IN YOUR IS 53.4 ACRES FOR WHAT'S IN YOUR BOOK RIGHT NOW THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE ADDED STUFF, UH, ON THE OUTSIDE.
WELL THAT, THAT'S A VERY INTERESTING SCOPE OF WORK AND THE PARTNERSHIP YOU'VE DESCRIBED WITH THE ESTATES STILL WORKING WITH THE COUNTY AND THEY'RE PONYING UP MONEY.
THE COUNTY'S PONYING UP AND THE CITY'S PIECE IS BASICALLY DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE.
DID THAT FLOOD HERE? HARVEY? UH, THE AREA OUT THERE, I KNOW THAT HOPE SECTION, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
I I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
SO ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS BURNSIDE'S HOUSE, STICKY WATER, THIS, THIS, UH, CANAL RIGHT HERE JUST NORTH OF, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF VILLE ROAD GOES INTO CEDAR BOTTLE THAT'S BACKED UP.
WELL ARE WE SURE THE 10 MILLION IS SECURE WITH THE COUNTY IN LIGHT OF THE 270 MILLION? I KNOW THE 5 MILLION IS SECURED ALREADY FROM THEIR PERMIT.
WAS IT SUPPOSED TO BE 10 OR SOMEBODY ELSE'S? IT'S TOTAL WAS A TOTAL BUILD OUT THE 5 MILLION COVERS CHAMP.
AND IT'S NOT AT RISK WITH THE 277 MILLION DEFICIT THAT HARRIS COUNTY IS GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW.
THEY HAVE A SEPARATE, UH, PARTNERSHIP PIECE OR PARTNERSHIP PROJECT MONEY.
SO AGAIN, THERE'S, THERE'S THREE, THREE PARTNERS IN THE DEAL.
THERE'S THE FAMILY ESTATE, THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.
SO THE COUNTY'S PARTNERS, RIGHT? 5 MILLION.
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AND THE, TO KIND OF DENISE ON THAT QUESTION IS LIKE IF ANYTHING WERE TO FALL OUT, LIKE IF HARRIS COUNTY BACKS OUT, WE WOULD NOT EVEN GO BORROW THE MONEY.LIKE REMEMBER LIKE WHEN WE DO WHAT, LIKE WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BORROW THE MONEY THAT, THAT IS AUTHORIZED.
IF, IF THE PROJECTS FALL APART, WE JUST DON'T GO BORROW THE MONEY FOR.
WELL THAT, THAT IS A LOT MORE CONTEXT OF WHAT THIS 5 MILLION FOR DRAINAGE GIVES US.
'CAUSE AT FIRST IT WAS LIKE WE'RE GONNA SPEND 5 MILLION FOR DRAIN LAND.
BUT JASON, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS, UH, INFORMATION THIS LATEST PLANET TO US AND SHARE, YOU KNOW, THAT TO ME IT CHANGES THE WHOLE CONTEXT OF WHAT WE GIVE TO $5 MILLION.
ANY OTHER CLARIFYING QUESTIONS ON THIS PROJECT? OKAY.
I THINK THE LAST ONE WE HAVE IS, IS THIS THE LAST ONE? YEAH, JENKINS.
I, I GOTTA TELL YOU, I WASN'T THINKING WE WERE GONNA SPEND THIS MUCH TIME ON THIS, BUT IT'S BEEN A WEALTH OF INFORMATION AND I TELL YOU SORT OF CLARIFIED A LOT OF THESE SCOPES THAT I HAD NO IDEA THAT'S WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE.
SO WL JENKINS PARK IMPROVEMENTS, THIS IS A REGIONAL PARK IN BAYTOWN.
SO, UH, YOU'VE GOT IT IN FRONT OF YOU.
YOU SEE THE SCOPE OF THE ENTIRE AREA AND UH, LOOKS LIKE WE'RE, UH, TALKING ABOUT A NEW CLUBHOUSE BUILDING CANOPY OVER AN EXISTING BASKETBALL COURT.
NEW SYNTHETIC TURF SOCCER PITCH, ATHLETIC SEAL LIGHTING SIDE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, ADDING PARKING, UH, REROUTING THE ENTRY DRIVE, I GUESS AWAY FROM THE RAILROAD TRACK.
AND, UM, ADDING A TRAFFIC CIRCLE WITH PUBLIC ART AND AN ATTENTION FUND.
SO $7.5 MILLION FOR THIS LOT OF, UH, DETAILS HERE.
ANY, ANY INITIAL CONVERSATION ON THIS? THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE THE, THE CROSSING OVER ISSUE THAT'S IN ANOTHER, THAT, THAT'S IN THE, IN ANOTHER BUDGET.
DOESN'T THE BASKETBALL COURT ALREADY HAVE? THERE'S ONE BASKETBALL COURT THAT HAS A COVER OUT THERE.
SO THERE'S ANOTHER ONE AND THERE'S ALSO ONE TURF SOCCER FIELD OUT THERE.
SMALL BEFORE WE GET TOO CRAZY ON THE SOCCER FIELD STUFF.
AN ARENA SIDE OF SOCCER FIELD.
WHICH IS ENDED FOR SMALL SIDED SOCCER.
SO NOT IN PLACE OF THE OTHER ONES WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, BUT A SMALL SIDED FIELD.
SO THERE'S ANOTHER BASKETBALL COURT ELSEWHERE BESIDES LIKE WHEN YOU FIRST WALK IN? NO, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE.
IS IT NOT? YES, THAT WAS COVERED, BUT WE'RE PROPOSING A NEW ONE.
IF YOU NOTICE THAT'S ONLY ONE BASKETBALL, BASKETBALL COURT AT THAT FACILITY.
AND WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD ADDITIONAL BASKETBALL COURT FOR THE FACILITY.
'CAUSE IT SAYS A CANOPY OVER AN EXISTING BASKETBALL COURT.
YEAH, WE HAVE, WE'RE PROPOSING A SHADE STRUCTURE FOR A NEW BASKETBALL COURT.
NEW BASKETBALL COURT AND A COACH.
THE, UH, CONCEPTUAL CLUBHOUSE PHOTO, THAT CLUBHOUSE, THERE'S AN EXISTING BUILDING THERE NOW? YES, THERE'S AN EXISTING BUILDING NOW WE'RE PROPOSING THE SAME, UH, BUILDING THAT WE HAVE ALREADY, UH, USED AT ROSELAND.
IF ANYBODY'S SEEN OUR ROSELAND FACILITY, UH, WE WOULD WANT TO DO MIMIC THAT BUILDING AT JENKINS PARK.
UM, THE SAME FOOTPRINT, SAME SIZE.
WE JUST WON'T HAVE, HOPEFULLY WE WON'T HAVE TO ELEVATE IT UNLESS UH, WE GET SOME MORE FLOODPLAIN
BUT, UH, UM, THAT ONE SHOULD BE AT A LOWER ELEVATION, UH, FOR US.
SO IT WON'T COST AS MUCH MONEY AS THE ONE THAT DID AT UH, ROSE PARK.
IS THERE NUMBERS FOR THAT? UM, THE ROSELAND ONE, UM, LIKE IS IT RENT OUT A LOT? IS IT, HOW WOULD YOU GET TO USE, UH, THE USAGE? I'LL HAVE TO GET YOU THOSE NUMBERS.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE RENTAL PORTION.
THE, UH, UTILIZATION OF IT ISN'T, ISN'T AS HIGH AS UH, JENKINS PARK.
HOWEVER, UH, THERE HAS BEEN SOME RECENT ROAD WORK DONE AT JENKINS PARK OUT FRONT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE BEEN DOWN THERE IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS, BUT, UH, THEY DID THAT.
SO WE TOOK IT OFFLINE FOR THAT, WHICH AFFECTS THE RENTAL, THE REST, THE, UH, YEAH, AT ROSELAND, I'M SORRY,
SO THE NUMBERS ARE A LITTLE SKEWED, BUT THE UTILIZATION RATE IS LOWER THAN THE CURRENT JENKINS.
IT'S A MUCH HIGHER PRICE POINT THAN THE ONE AT JENKINS CURRENTLY DOES NOW.
WE WOULD EXPECT THIS PRICE POINT TO BE SIMILAR TO ROSELAND, RIGHT? YES SIR.
AND WE, UH, SO WE TAKE ALL THE PRICE POINTS TO OUR PARKS BOARD, UH, WITH THE NEWER FACILITY.
WE, WE'VE CHANGED OUR MODEL TO WHERE WE HAVE STAFF ON SITE, UH, FOR THE DURATION OF YOUR RENTAL.
UH, THAT COMES AT A COST, UH, PARKS BOARD THOUGHT IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT TO HAVE STAFF SUPERVISION THERE THROUGH TO KEEP THINGS LOOKING NICER AND MAKING SURE THINGS OR RULES WERE UPHELD AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND SO, UH, THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IN PRICING COMPENSATES FOR THE STAFF THAT'S
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OUT THERE DURING YOUR EVENT, BUT THE RENTER ALSO GETS A PERSONALIZED ATTENDANT THAT HELPS 'EM, CLEANS UP, SETS UP ALL THAT STUFF AS WELL.SO IT'S KIND OF A GIVE AND TAKE.
IT'S, IT IS A HIGHER PRICE POINT FOR SURE.
I'M NOT TRYING TO SUGAR ABOUT THAT.
BUT YOU DO GET SOMETHING FOR IT.
BUT STAFFING COSTS IS NOT IN THE BOND PROPOSAL, RIGHT? NO, THIS IS JUST FOR THE BUILDING THIS FOR THE, SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE, THE ACTUAL UTILIZATION OF THE SHE THE RENTAL FACILITY.
ALRIGHT, EVERYBODY CLEAR ON WHAT THE JENKINS PARK IMPROVEMENTS ARE? THIS IS PROBABLY, IS THIS THE LARGEST PARK SYSTEM WE HAVE IN BAYTOWN? YES, THIS IS THE LARGEST PARK IS OUR ONLY REGIONAL PARK WITHIN THE FACILITY, UH, THAT WE HAVE, UH, WITHIN OUR PARK SYSTEM.
SO THE, THE LAYOUT OF WHAT WE JUST LOOKED AT JASON FOR THE LORETTA RUSSELL PARK WOULD ALMOST BE LIKE THIS, RIGHT? ANOTHER JENKINS NORTH OF I 10, SO TO SPEAK, BASED ON THAT BUILD OUT.
IT WOULD BE MORE IN LINE WITH REGIONAL TYPE FACILITY.
IT WOULD BE MORE LIKE SPECIAL USE PARK.
THE BURY SPORTS COMPLEX IS, IT'S A SPECIAL USE PARK.
UH, THE NATURE CENTER IS A SPECIAL USE PARK.
IT HAS A VERY INTENDED USE, WHICH WOULD BE UH, I GUESS BASEBALL FOR THE RUSSELL PARK.
THIS IS A REGIONAL PARK BECAUSE IT HAS ALL THESE OTHER AMENITIES IN THERE.
AND THESE ARE MORE, THESE AREN'T, UM, BASEBALL FIELDS ARE A LITTLE BIT OF AN OUTLIER.
UH, BUT THE REST OF THE STUFF IS INTENDED FOR MORE RECREATIONAL USE AND IT'S INTENDED TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY AS A SIMPLE ASSET.
AND SO THE UH, UH, THE JENKINS PARK, WHICH IS CONNECTED TO ROAD OR TO HOLLOWAY PARK, A LOT OF TRAILS AND THINGS THAT, THAT PEOPLE CAN USE AS LIKE PASSIVE RECREATION THINGS.
WAYNE GRAY SPORTS COMPLEX IS, UH, SPECIAL USE BECAUSE INTENDED BRING IN TOURNAMENTS, BRING IN LEAGUES, AND HAS A VERY SPECIALIZED OKAY.
GILBERT, DO YOU MIND IF I SAY THING? YEP.
UM, WHAT AMENITIES DOES BAYTOWN HAVE FOR ANYBODY TO COME TO BAYTOWN? WHAT AMENITIES DO WE OFFER AS A CITY? NATURE CENTER, RIS BAY NATURE CENTER, THE PARKS, THE PARKS, RIS BAY, RIS BAY AQUATIC AQUATIC AQUATICS.
OUR BIGGEST ASSET OF WHAT WE PROVIDE FOR THE CITY OF BAYTOWN, NOT JUST OUR EMPLOYEES, NOT JUST THE CUSTOMER SERVICE THAT WE HAVE, IT'S OUR PARKS, RECS AND TOURISM DEPARTMENT.
AND SO I'M SAYING ALL THIS BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WANTS AND NEEDS, THIS IS WHAT BAYTOWN OFFERS TO BRING PEOPLE TO BAYTOWN.
OKAY? THERE'S A REASON OF MOVING THE TOURISM DEPARTMENT INTO THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT IS BECAUSE THAT IS WHY PEOPLE COME TO THE CITY OF BAYTOWN.
THEY COME HERE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR 53 FANTASTIC PARKS THAT WE HAVE, OUR PIRATES BAY, OUR WATERWAYS, AND WHAT THE PARKS BOARD IS TRYING TO DEVELOP FOR THE CITY OF BAYTOWN.
THIS, THE MONEY THAT HAS BEEN PUT IN OVER THE YEARS IS NOT ONLY JUST AMENITY TO YOU AS A CITIZEN THAT LIVES HERE AND GETS TO USE THESE THINGS, BUT IT'S ALSO BRINGING PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE SPENDING MONEY HERE.
AND SO WE SEE THE, WE SEE THE PARK SYSTEM NOT ONLY AS A FANTASTIC AMENITY FOR YOU, BUT AS AN ECONOMIC DRIVER FOR THE CITY OF BAYTOWN AS WELL.
AND I SAY ALL THIS JUST TO PROVIDE A DIFFERENT CONTEXT AND A DIFFERENT PERCEPTION OF HOW WE LOOK AT THE, THE PARK SYSTEM HERE IN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN.
IT IS A REVENUE DRIVER FOR US.
THE NATURE CENTER ALMOST PAYS FOR ITS ITSELF IN ITS ENTIRETY AND IT'S A VERY LOW COST JUST TO GET INTO IT.
BUT IT'S A FANTASTIC AMENITY FOR THE CITY OF BAYTOWN, THE SYSTEM THAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE.
AND IF WE GET 'EM UPGRADED, THOSE ARE GONNA BE BIGGER DRIVERS OF PROVIDING MORE REVENUE TO THE CITY.
IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT PERCEPTION.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN A ROAD THAT'S FALLING APART, RIGHT? WE CAN SEE THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE JENKINS PARK PROJECT? THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THESE, UH, EIGHT PROJECTS WE JUST LOOKED AT.
I TELL YOU THAT I DO HAVE A DIFFERENT, UH, PERSPECTIVE ON THE IMPACT THAT THESE DOLLARS RELATED TO THE, TO THE, TO THE FACILITIES AND THE PARKS THAT WE LOOKED AT COULD HAVE ON THE CITY OF BAYTOWN AND, AND OUR, OUR CITIZENS.
SO, UM, SO FOLKS WE'RE, WE'RE AT THE END OF OUR TIME TODAY.
UH, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD TAKE THIS LONG, BUT WE HAD SOME, SOME GREAT QUESTIONS AND SOME GREAT INFORMATION.
AND I HOPE EACH ONE OF, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE PROJECTS, YOU'VE GOT JUST AS GOOD A HANDLE ON WHAT IT CAN DO AND WHAT AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF WE DON'T DO IT.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE THE CHALLENGING PART, IS KNOWING THE IMPACT, THE NEGATIVE IMPACT OF NOT DOING SOMETHING.
THE POSITIVE IMPACTS SORT OF, WE, WE GOTTA JUSTIFY THAT, BUT THERE'S A NEGATIVE IMPACT.
YOU DON'T DO SOMETHING AS WELL.
IT MAKES IT A LITTLE HARDER FOR US.
UH, YOU WERE GIVEN TODAY, THIS, THIS SHEET RIGHT HERE, IT'S A ONE PAGER AND
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IT'S GOT ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT NOW COMPLETELY AS A GROUP.I THINK SOME OF YOU MISSED THE FIRST FOUR PROJECTS WE REVIEWED WHILE YOU WERE IN YOUR SEPARATE MEETING, BUT THEY WERE VERY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE LOOKED AT LAST, LAST WEEK.
UH, AND, AND ALL THE INFORMATION IS IN THE, IS IN THE PACKET YOU CURRENTLY HAVE THAT WASN'T THERE FIRST TIME AROUND AND THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, I'M GOING TO, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS SHEET.
SOME OF YOU PROBABLY ALREADY HAVE YOUR LIST OF WHAT YOU THINK WE OUGHT TO BE DOING, CONSIDERING WHAT YOU LEARNED TODAY ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THESE, UH, FACILITIES AND PARK PROJECTS.
AND, AND I THINK BY CATEGORY, AND THIS IS NOT MEANING THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA DO IT THIS WAY, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT BEFORE WE GET THE FINAL RANKING, UH, OF, OF A RECOMMENDATION IS PHILOSOPHY, RIGHT? I THINK JASON JUST REFERRED TO WHAT THAT PHILOSOPHY COULD LOOK LIKE.
WHERE DO WE PLACE THESE AMENITIES, THESE, THESE QUALITY OF LIFE COMPONENTS, THESE ECONOMIC DRIVERS? WHERE DO WE PLACE THAT IN THE NEEDS CATEGORY? WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ROADS THAT ARE FALLING APART? ARE THEY EQUITABLE? ARE THEY SEPARATE? UH, ARE WE JUST TALKING ABOUT FIXING ROADS AND THAT'S IT? WE ARE, WE'RE GONNA NEED A PHILOSOPHY BEFORE WE CAN SAY ONE THROUGH WHATEVER TOTALS, WHATEVER DOLLARS.
ARE WE GONNA GO HEAD TO HEAD, EVERYTHING'S HEAD TO HEAD, OR ARE WE GONNA PRIORITIZE WITHIN EACH CATEGORY, LOOK AT THE TOP ONES IN EACH CATEGORY, PUT THOSE AGAINST EACH OTHER, SEE WHERE THE DOLLARS WORK OUT? BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU I'VE NOT DONE THAT.
I, I'M, I'M BEING COMPLETELY HONEST, I HAVE NOT ADDED UP DOLLARS ON ANYTHING.
I WILL ADMIT THERE'S ONE PROJECT, ONE PROJECT THAT I THINK BECAUSE IT'S BEEN HISTORICALLY A NORMAL PROJECT AND THAT'S THE 20 MILLION FOR ROAD CONSTRUCTION THAT HAPPENS ANNUALLY, $4 MILLION A YEAR.
HISTORICALLY, THAT WAS THE SAME THING BACK IN 2007.
THE LAST MILE WE HAD IT WAS, IT WAS $5 MILLION A YEAR AT THE TIME.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S A PRETTY NORMAL ANNUAL TYPE EFFORT THE CITY DOES.
OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING ELSE IS KIND OF WIDE OPEN.
THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF NEED.
AND I THINK WHAT, WHAT WE CAN CATEGORIZE AS A WANT FALLS INTO THAT AMENITY CATEGORY THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T COMPARE WITH THE ROAD OR, OR NEIGHBORHOODS FLOODING, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BIG PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WHERE DOES IT FIT IN? SO, UH, TAKE THIS SHEET, GO HOME WITH WHAT YOU'VE LEARNED AND START TRYING TO PUT 'EM IN ONE THROUGH WHATEVER ORDER IN EACH CATEGORY.
AND THEN WHEN WE COME BACK, WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING TO START TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF, SEE, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES SENSE IS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LOW HANGING FRUIT IS WHAT'S JUST OFF THE TABLE COMPLETELY, RIGHT? THAT WE ALL CAN AGREE ON.
THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW WHAT IT, IT MIGHT BE A NEED, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT UP THERE.
AND I THINK WE ALL HAVE AN IDEA ON SOME OF THOSE AND THAT SHORTENS THE LIST A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN WE START GETTING TO, WELL WHAT'S, WHAT'S FLOATING UP TO THE TOP? WHAT IS JUST KIND OF A, WHAT WE WOULD CALL A NO BRAINER IN THE WORLD OF WE GOTTA GET STUFF DONE AND SEE WHAT THAT IS AND START, THEN WE'LL START MASSAGING THIS THING TO SEE WHAT WE END UP WITH.
I HAVE TWO INFORMATION REQUESTS.
SO ORIGINALLY WHEN Y'ALL GAVE US THIS LIST, THE, UH, CIPC RANKING BY THE CITY WAS RANKED ONE THROUGH 29, BUT THE CITY WAS OPPOSING WHEN YOU GAVE US THIS LIST THAT WENT AWAY.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT ADDED BACK TO THIS LIST.
AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT Y'ALL, THE CITY RANKED THESE ORIGINALLY IN, IN THE PROCESS.
THE, THE SECOND PIECE OF INFORMATION, WHICH I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO THE CONSULTANTS ABOUT IS WHEN THE, THE FINANCIAL GUY CAME IN AND GAVE US THE INFORMATION ABOUT TAX RATE AFFECTION.
HE WAS BASED THAT UPON A 9.5% INCREASE IN GROWTH THEREABOUTS.
UM, AND, AND I DON'T HAVE THOSE CHARTS, THOSE CHARTS WEREN'T, WE HAD THE NUMBER BUT THEY DIDN'T GET THE DRAFT.
I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME NUMBER, MAYBE NOT THIS NEXT MEETING, BUT THE MEETING BEFORE WE GET INTO THE, THE END ABOUT A PROJECTION THAT'S BASED ON A LESS PERCENTAGE OF GROWTH, MAYBE BASED UPON 6%.
I THINK NINE'S A LITTLE BIG AND I SEE WHAT THOSE, THOSE ARE GONNA BE BASED UPON SOME LOWER GROWTH.
I DON'T CARE, UH, IN THE PROCESS JUST TO SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS.
AND IT MAY NOT AFFECT THE PERCENTAGE OF TAX RATE AT ALL, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IT ANYWAY.
FOLLOW UP YOU OFF BECAUSE I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THAT AREA.
I I JUST WANTED TO SHOW REMIND ONE REAL QUICK THING.
UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE IN THE PARKS PORTION THE OTHER DAY, WE TALKED ABOUT THE JENKINS TRAIL CONNECTION PIECE.
THAT PROJECT IS STILL LISTED, BUT IT'S UNDER THE MOBILITY LIST.
AND SO THOSE OF YOU THAT WEREN'T IN THAT PART OF THE MEETING, I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO PLEASE GO AND READ THAT, READ THROUGH THAT.
THAT'S A CONNECTION PIECE DESIGNED TO GET FROM JENKINS PARK TO PEDESTRIAN TO CONNECT TO UM, BLUE HERON, WHICH IS PART OF THE GOOSE CREEK TRAIL.
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AND IT'S VERY, UH, WHEN YOU GET TO THE END OF BLUE HERON, IT LOOKS LIKE JENKINS PARK IS LIKE RIGHT THERE.AND THESE KIDS ON BICYCLES TRY TO NAVIGATE THAT AND GO OVER A RAILROAD TRACK AND IT'S, AND CARS WILL COME ON 'EM REALLY, REALLY QUICK.
WE'VE HAD STOP SIGNS THAT HAD TO BE REPLACED THERE.
IT'S, IT IS A VERY SHORT BUT VERY, UM, NEEDED PIECE OF CONNECTIVITY.
SO IT'S LISTED ON THE MOBILITY.
THERE'S SOME GOOD STATS, THERE'S A CONCEPTUAL WHAT IT HAS TO BE BECAUSE IT HAS TO GO UP AND OVER A RAILROAD CROSSING AND IT'S JUST FOR THE PLAN TO DO IT.
THAT'S THE JENKINS TRAIL, YEAH.
BUT I WANTED YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT IT, IT IS NO LONGER LISTED ON A PARK THAT'S UNDER MOBILITY IN YOUR CURRENT SHEET.
AND SO I WANTED YOU TO KNOW WHAT THAT PROJECT WAS.
SO WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT'S ONE WE DID NOT DISCUSS AS A GROUP.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, UH, WE CAN TOUCH ON IT NEXT TIME AND JUST CLARIFY.
BUT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING FORWARD.
THAT IS ONE PROJECT WE MISSED.
'CAUSE IT MOVED, IT MOVED IN ITS LOCATION, SO WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T CATCH IT, SO, OKAY.
UM, LET, LET'S LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE REAL QUICK.
I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THESE DATES ALL LAID OUT, SO, SO NEXT TUESDAY WOULD BE THE 10TH.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT GOING PAST NEXT TUESDAY, ON THE FOLLOWING TUESDAY THE 17TH, I'VE GOT A, A BOARD MEETING AT LEE COLLEGE.
THAT'S ALSO THE P AND Z MEETING, WHICH IS HELD IN HERE.
P AND Z MEETING WILL BE IN HERE.
SO THAT, THAT MIGHT BE WHERE WE GET A LITTLE BREAK.
WE SHOULD, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER MEETING.
WE GOT ONE MORE MEETING BEFORE THAT DATE.
WE MAY NEED A LITTLE TIME TO MASSAGE, COLLECT ALL THE INFORMATION, COMMENTS WHERE PEOPLE THINK THINGS ARE, GIVE THE STAFF A LITTLE TIME TO CATCH UP AND THEN WHEN WE COME BACK THE WEEK AFTER, UH, WE WILL, WE'LL BE CLOSE.
I, I'M SAYING THAT ON THE 17TH WE, WE WON'T HAVE A MEETING, WHICH IS TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY.