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COULD BUY THESE PRE PEOPLE.HOW LAZY AS A SOCIETY HAVE WE GOTTEN? SERIOUSLY? I'LL GET IT BACK.
YOU'LL, I GOT MY MOM THIS MORNING.
DO WE WANT AN ANSWER? SO IF, IF WE'RE
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READY, I WENT AHEAD AND HIT THE RECORD BUTTON.UM, SO IF WE'RE READY, I WANNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
I WANT TO, UH, RESPECT EVERYBODY'S TIME TONIGHT.
WE'VE ALREADY SAT THROUGH 45 MINUTE MEETING, WHICH I THINK WENT VERY WELL.
UM, AND SO I'M GONNA HOLD THIS TO AN HOUR WITH THAT.
UM, I WANT THIS TO BE RELAXED AND I WANT THIS TO BE RELATIVELY INFORMAL.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, PLEASE PUT 'EM OUT ON THE TABLE AND I'LL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM.
I WANT TO LEAVE SOME TIME AT THE END TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, OR WE CAN DO IT AS WE GO.
[a. Discussion concerning general instruction on Planning and Zoning Commission procedures and rules and training on the new Unified Land Development Code (ULDC).]
WITH ME.UM, THAT SAID, UM, AS I INFORMED OUR CITY MANAGER, JASON REYNOLDS, THAT WE WERE MEETING TONIGHT, UM, HE WANTED TO SAY A FEW WORDS AS WE GET STARTED AND THEN WE CAN MOVE OVER TO THE REST.
AND THANK Y'ALL FOR HAVING ME HERE.
UM, I WILL REALLY BE SHORT AND SWEET.
UM, THE, I CAN COME UP THERE THAT WAY.
THE, I KNOW Y'ALL ARE GONNA TALK THROUGH RULES AND REGULATIONS AND JUST ONE THING, UH, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS WITH JUST THE EXPECTATIONS, UM, AND MAINLY AROUND EXPECTATIONS ON TREATING STAFF.
AND SO IT HAS COME TO MY ATTENTION THROUGH NUMEROUS ENTITIES THAT THERE HAS BEEN DISRESPECTFUL BEHAVIOR, UH, FROM THIS COMMISSION TO, UH, THE STAFF AND OTHERS.
UM, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, IT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
UH, THE MAYOR IS STANDING BESIDE ME ON THIS AND IS WHY HE WANTED TO JOIN AS WELL.
UM, BECAUSE IT HAS COME TO OUR ATTENTION, NOT JUST FROM ONE OR TWO PEOPLE.
THIS IS A CONTINUAL PIECE THAT WE CONTINUE TO GET.
UM, AND, UM, PLEASE KNOW, I'M PASSING THIS ON TO Y'ALL, THAT I HAVE GIVEN MARTIN THE AUTHORITY TO LET HIS ENTIRE ENTIRE TEAM GO.
IF THEY'RE DISRESPECTFUL BEHAVIOR, UH, TOWARDS STAFF DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEN WE'LL JUST HAVE TO RESCHEDULE THE MEETINGS.
WE WON'T EFFECTIVELY END THE MEETING 'CAUSE ONLY Y'ALL CAN EFFECTIVELY END THE MEETING, BUT YOU WILL NOT HAVE STAFF THERE TO PRESENT ANYTHING TO YOU, UM, WITH ANYTHING THAT'S GOING ON WITH THE ITEM AT HAND.
UM, WITH THAT, ALL I'M ASKING IS JUST PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO A JOB TO BEST SERVE YOU.
YOU MAY NOT AGREE WITH IT POLITICALLY.
WE ARE NOT TRYING TO GET ON ANY KIND OF POLITICS OR ANYTHING THAT WE ARE DOING.
WE ARE PRESENTING THE DATA AS WE KNOW IT TO Y'ALL.
Y'ALL CAN THEN, UM, HAVE OPEN DIALOGUE AMONGST EACH OTHER AND DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO ADVOCATE FOR OR NOT ADVOCATE FOR, SO THAT YOU CAN GIVE A POSITION TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, STAFF HAS NO GAME OR HAS NO MONEY IN THE GAMES.
THEY DO NOT CARE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO ENFORCE WHAT THEY FEEL IS THE PROPER INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE.
UH, YOU ARE WELCOME TO COME YELL AT ME ALL DAY, EVERY DAY IN MY OFFICE.
IF YOU ARE DISSATISFIED WITH SOMETHING, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME YELL AT MARTIN ALL DAY, EVERY DAY IN HIS OFFICE IF YOU WOULD SATISFIED.
SO I'M ASKING THAT IT IS NOT DONE IN PUBLIC AND IT ONLY STOPS WITH US.
AND, UM, THAT'S REALLY MY ONLY OUTSIDE OF THAT, I THINK Y'ALL ARE EFFECTIVE.
I THINK YOU'RE ACCOMPLISHING A LOT TRYING TO STAY WITH HIM ON WHAT FOUNDERS OF OPERATION.
MAYOR, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO SAY OR ADD? WELL, ACTUALLY, JUST, UH, TO REITERATE WHAT HE SAID, UM, WE SHOULD ALWAYS TREAT STAFF WITH THE UTMOST RESPECT.
THEY ARE WHAT WE, WHAT I CALL THE EE THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS.
AND THEY'RE JUST TASKED WITH GIVING YOU INFORMATION SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS.
UM, PERSONALLY, WHEN I HEARD THAT STAFF WAS BEING TREATED RUDELY, IT KIND OF CONCERNED ME.
AND THEY'RE HERE DOING THEIR JOB.
LIKE YOU SAID, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANYTHING FROM A POLITICAL STANDPOINT.
LET'S TREAT THEM WITH RESPECT.
AND I KNOW THAT TRIAL STAFF TREATS EVERYONE ELSE WITH RESPECT.
LET'S RECIPROCATE THAT BACK TO THEM.
UM, WE JUST CAN'T REITERATE THAT ENOUGH.
IF I'M GONNA SAY THIS, JASON JUST SAID, COME YELL AT HIM OR MARTIN, I WOULDN'T EVEN SAY COME YELL AT HIM.
I'M HAVE A DECENT CONVERSATION WITH HIM.
WE CAN COMMUNICATE LIKE ADULTS, WE ALL HAVE FEELINGS AND EMOTIONS AND WE ALL KNOW HOW TO ACT WITH DECORUM.
AND I WOULD ASK THAT EVERYONE WHO'S ASKED TO SIT ON THE COMMITTEE WOULD INSPECT STAFF AS ADULTS ALSO, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO BE YELLED AND SCREAMED AT.
YOU DON'T WANT TO BE TALKED TOO RUDELY.
SO LET'S RECIPROCATE THAT BACK AND THANK YOU YOU FOR THE JOB THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING AS A, UM, THANKLESS JOB.
IF YOU ARE NOT GETTING A SALARY AND YOU'RE TAKING YOUR TIME FROM YOUR FAMILIES TO
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DO THIS, AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT, BUT TREAT STAFF WITH RESPECT AND STAFF IS NOT TREATING YOU WITH RESPECT.BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT STAFF NOT TREATING ANYONE WITH RESPECT.
OKAY, WITH THAT BEING THE LEAD IN, WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT STANDARDS OF CONDUCT.
WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IT FROM THE ASPECT OF WHAT'S IN THE CODE, WHAT'S IN OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE, UM, WHAT, WHAT IS IT THAT'S EXPECTED OF, OF NOT ONLY THIS BOARD, BUT ANY BOARD IN THE CITY THAT OPERATES IN A SIMILAR FUNCTION.
SO, UM, SO THAT SAID, UM, WE'RE GONNA START WITH, OKAY, SO STANDARDS OF CONDUCT.
UM, HERE ARE SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT THESE ARE RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS ARE BASICALLY A PART OF.
SO, UM, THE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE, AND THIS IS AS MUCH AS, UH, ON STAFF AS IT IS, THE, THE PT IS THAT EVERYBODY WHO COMES FORWARD WITH AS PART OF THIS PROCESS IS FOR THOSE RIGHTS TO THE, UM, TO DUE PROCESS.
AND THAT DUE PROCESS IS, YOU GUYS ARE PART OF THAT DUE PROCESS.
WHEN WE DO A REZONE OR SOMETHING, OR A TEXT AMENDMENT, THOSE ARE LEGISLATIVE PROCESSES, THOSE ARE LAW CHANGES.
AND SO YOU GUYS ARE THE, THE, THE FIRST STOP AND THE LAST STOP BEFORE IT GETS TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO IT'S A BIG DEAL AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, THAT IS HONORED.
NOT SAYING THAT ANYBODY DOESN'T, BUT THAT IS ONE OF OUR MAIN CHARGES.
UM, CAREFUL CONSIDERATION OF EX PARTE.
DOES EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT EX PARTE COMMUNICATION IS? OKAY, THAT'S FINE.
UM, PRETTY MUCH ANYBODY, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ANY OF THE ITEMS ON OUR AGENDAS TO ANYBODY OUTSIDE THIS ROOM, ACTUALLY, IF IT'S BEFORE A MEETING, YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T BE TALKING TO EACH OTHER ABOUT IT.
SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH YOU CAN TALK TO STAFF ABOUT IT.
UM, IF YOU HAVE A, A SPECIFIC CONCERN, YOU CAN TALK TO YOUR CHAIR.
UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, YOU SHOULDN'T BE DISCUSS DISCUSSING THESE.
IF ANYBODY SAYS, HEY, I HEARD THERE WAS A REASON ITEM ON THE THING TONIGHT.
WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON IT? YOU SAY, WELL, I CAN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT IT.
SO AFTER PROCESS, IT'S IN PROCESS.
UM, AVOID CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.
SO I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN THE TRUEST SENSE, IT'S WHETHER YOU HAVE A FINANCIAL STAKE IN THE APPLICATION THAT'S AT HAND.
THERE ARE OTHER KINDS OF CONFLICTS AS WELL.
UM, I LOOK AT IT AS ANYTHING THAT MAY CLOUD YOUR ABILITY TO MAKE AN UNBIASED JUDGMENT AND, AND APPROVAL OR DENIAL.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT'S ABOUT.
MAYBE MY UNCLE JOE HAS A PROPERTY THAT HE'S LOOKING TO DEVELOP AND I HAVE TO BE A PART OF THAT, THAT APPROVAL.
LIKE MAYBE IT'S A REZONE OR SOMETHING, AND I EITHER REALLY LIKE UNCLE JOE OR I REALLY HATE UNCLE JOE, EITHER ONE.
I WOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, OKAY, CAN I MAKE AN UNBIASED, UH, OPINION ON THE PROJECT AT HAND ON THE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED? AND IF I SAY, NO, MY HATRED FOR UNCLE JOE GOES WAY BEYOND THAT, THEN I SHOULD PROBABLY, UH, RECUSE MYSELF FROM THAT VOTE.
UM, BUT ANYTIME THAT'S REALLY THE BOTTOM LINE.
EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE A FINANCIAL INTEREST, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT SAYS, THERE'S NO WAY I CAN MAKE A REAL UNBIASED DECISION ON THIS, AND YOU SHOULD RECUSE YOUR JOB.
UM, AND THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS.
NOW, WITH THAT IS FULL DISCLOSURE.
IF YOU SAY, MAN'S BOTH GONNA BE BEFORE US TONIGHT, YOU SHOULD KNOW, UM, THIS IS A REONE.
UM, BUT I FEEL I CAN MAKE, YOU KNOW, THAT'SS NOT GONNA AFFECT MY ABILITY TO DO MY JOB.
AND WE'RE GOING TO SAY, GO, YOU'VE MADE THE FULL DISCLOSURE.
UM, AND, BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S MORE LIKE, UM, I THINK MIKE CAME FORWARD WITH ONE NOT TOO LONG AGO THAT WAS, HEY, I DO BUSINESS WITH THESE GUYS, SO I REALLY NEED TO STEP BACK AWAY FROM THIS BECAUSE I DO HAVE A FINANCIAL INTEREST IN, YOU KNOW, IN A, IN A THIRD HAND WAY.
UM, YOU MUST, MUST ATTEND THE PUBLIC HEARING TO VOTE.
UM, AND ACTUALLY I SAW JANICE DO THIS TONIGHT.
SHE MISSED THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ITEM SHE CAME IN ON.
SO SHE DIDN'T COME FORWARD UNTIL THAT ITEM WAS OVER.
IT WAS ACTUALLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO BECAUSE SHE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO VOTE ON THAT ONE.
ANYWAY, SHE MISSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THEN WHEN SHE STEPPED IN, GOT IN ON THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE NEXT ONE, SHE WAS ABLE TO VOTE.
SO, UM, THAT'S NOT ONE THAT COMES UP TOO OFTEN, BUT I'M, I'M ACTUALLY KIND OF GLAD YOU DID IT.
'CAUSE ILLUSTRATED MY POINT VERY WELL.
UM, SOCIAL MEDIA, OBVIOUSLY THIS ONE'S A LOT MORE TOUCHY.
I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T POST, BUT I AM GONNA SAY, REMEMBER THAT YOU ARE REPRESENTING THE CITY IN SOME SMALL WAY WHEN YOU POST.
SO JUST REMEMBER, DON'T POST ABOUT ANYTHING THAT HASN'T BEEN DECIDED ON BY COUNCIL YET.
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AND I DON'T SAY THAT TO SOUND THREATENING, BUT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN SEE SOME OF THOSE THINGS.THEY HEAR ABOUT THOSE THINGS, STAFF EARS ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
UM, AND IT COULD AFFECT YOUR ABILITY TO STAY ON THE BOARD.
SO JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT.
UM, AND AS FOLLOW UP TO THAT, MEMBERS CAN BE REMOVED BY CITY COUNCIL.
WE HAD ONE RECENTLY THAT USUALLY IT'S DUE TO ABSENCES, PEOPLE WHO DON'T SHOW UP TO THE MEETINGS SO THAT THAT CAN HAPPEN.
UM, AND, BUT IF THERE'S OTHER REASONS CITY, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN KIND OF REMOVE.
SO WHAT ARE YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES FOR THE MEETING DURING THE MEETING? FOR THE MEETING? UM, FIRST OFF, BE PREPARED.
WE SUPPLY THE PACKETS AND HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY'S READING THEM PRIOR TO GETTING TO, UH, THE P AND Z MEETING.
UM, BACK IN THE OLD DAYS, UH, WHEN WE STILL DID PAPER PACKETS, I CAN REMEMBER THE HEARTBREAK I FELT AS I WATCHED FOUR OUT OF NINE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS WALK UP TO THE DEUS AND PEEL BACK THE SEAL ON THAT PACKET AS THEY STOOD, AS THEY WALKED UP TO HER.
AND YOU'RE JUST GOING, HOW MANY HOURS I WORK? AND, BUT ALSO MORE THAN THAT, UM, WE STRIVE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR STAFF REPORTS ARE ANSWERING ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE.
NOW, YOU GUYS ARE VERY INTELLIGENT.
YOU ALL HAVE DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS.
BUT THAT IS OUR GOAL, IS TO SAY, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU READ THE STAFF REPORT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT IT AND GO, OKAY, MOVE TO APPROVAL.
UM, SHOULD YOU VISIT THE SITE? I KNOW I'VE BROUGHT THIS UP IN IN PAST TRAINING.
UM, IT'S NOT ILLEGAL TO VISIT THE SITE.
BUT THAT SAID, TRY TO, WE TRY AS STAFF TO DELIVER ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU MIGHT NEED TO MAKE A GOOD SOLID DECISION, INCLUDING PICTURES OF THE SITE, INCLUDING MAPS, ANY INFORMATION THAT WE THINK IS RELEVANT TO YOUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
NOW, I DON'T RECOMMEND STOPPING, UH, UH, VISITING THE SITE FOR TWO REASONS.
NUMBER ONE IS THERE'S ALWAYS A CHANCE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER MIGHT SEE YOU OUT THERE AND COME WANT TO TALK TO YOU.
THAT'S PART OF THAT EX PARTE THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE.
BUT ALSO, UM, I'VE HAD MORE THAN ONE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER END UP AT GUNPOINT 'CAUSE THEY WENT ONTO THE PROPERTY.
UM, ONE WAS, UH, THIS IS AN ARIZONA AND, AND, UM, IT WAS A, IT WAS REZONED FROM A, IT WAS A FEEDLOT.
DROVE ONTO THE FEEDLOT AND DROVE AROUND AND WAS DRIVING THROUGH AND, AND YEAH, HE FOUND HIMSELF AT THE END OF A BARREL OF SHOTGUN.
I WAS LIKE, YEAH, WE TOLD YOU NOT TO GO ON THE PROPERTY.
YOU DON'T, JUST 'CAUSE YOU'RE A BOARD MEMBER DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO GO ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, EVEN AS STAFF MEMBERS DON'T DO THAT LIST.
SO CAN YOU, IF YOU JUST, YOU'RE DRIVING PAST IT.
YOU GUYS LIVE HERE, YOU WORK HERE, UM, YOU DRIVE AROUND, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE SITES.
SO THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
SO I'LL, I'LL KIND OF LEAVE THAT UP TO YOUR, TO YOUR JUDGMENT.
JUST REMEMBER, YES, IT'S PARTE AND YOU DON'T END UP WITH A GUN IN YOUR FACE.
UM, WHAT ELSE CAN YOU DO? YOU CAN DEFINITELY ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF.
SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE STAFF REPORTS THAT YOU'VE GOT, OR EVEN SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, UM, LESLIE IS GOING TO BE YOUR FIRST, UH, YOUR FIRST CALL.
AND THEN IF LESLIE NOT A AVAIL, LESLIE'S NOT AVAILABLE, COME TO ME.
UM, BECAUSE LESLIE'S AIM WILL BE TO GUIDE YOU TORCH, WHICHEVER STAFF MEETING STAFF MEMBER IS THE ONE WHO IS HANDLING THAT, MANAGING THAT PRODUCT.
SO, UM, FOR ONE OF THE REASONS ZONES TONIGHT, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN LAIA OR, UM, THE, THE CELL TOWER.
'CAUSE WE DON'T PUT OUR NAMES ON THE STAFF REPORTS.
SHE CAN DIRECT YOU TO WHERE YOU NEED TO GO AT THE END OF THE DAY.
SHE CAN PROBABLY ANSWER A LOT OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
I CAN ALSO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
UM, BE FAIR, SELF-EXPLANATORY, BE HONEST, ALSO SELF-EXPLANATORY, BE ETHICAL.
THE, THE, AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TREATING EVERYBODY THE SAME WAY THAT WE ARE, UM, PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT DUE PROCESS, WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THAT, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT, UM, AND OBJECTIVE.
UM, IT IS VERY, VERY EASY TO LET OUR EMOTION KIND OF INFLUENCE THE WAY WE MAKE DECISIONS ON A BOARD LIKE THIS.
UM, I'VE BEEN AT IT A LONG TIME AND SO I'M, I, I HATE TO SAY THAT I'M A BUREAUCRAT, BUT I'M REALLY TRYING NOT TO BE.
BUT THERE ARE TIMES WHERE IT'S MORE, I CAN PUT THOSE BLINDERS ON AND I'M JUST LIKE, I'M SORRY, I KNOW YOU'RE IN TROUBLE AND THERE'S PROBLEMS, BUT THIS IS WHAT THE CODE SAYS.
YOU GUYS HAVE A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY THAN THAT.
AS YOU HELP TO MAKE DECISIONS, YOU HELP TO, TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE.
UM, BUT MORE THAN ANYTHING, YOU NEED TO BE AS OBJECTIVE, OBJECTIVE AS YOU CAN.
UH, BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT'S GONNA GO BACK TO BEING FAIR.
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BEING HONEST, BEING ETHICAL, BEING OBJECTIVE REALLY KIND OF SENDS US IN THAT DIRECTION.SO THERE ARE SOME PARTS OF THE ULDC THAT, UM, SO LAMI ISS GONNA TAKE THE SECOND HALF OF THIS TRAINING SESSION TO GO OVER THE ODC, UM, AT A HIGH LEVEL AND KIND OF SHOW YOU HOW TO NAVIGATE THE DOCUMENT.
BUT WHAT I WANT TO DO IS I'M GONNA SPEND A FEW MINUTES TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS IN THERE THAT, THAT REFERS TO THIS BOARD AND ALSO, UM, WHAT IS IN OUR RULES AND RULES OF PROCEDURE.
SO THAT SAID, UM, SO THERE'S BASICALLY TWO AREAS OF THE ODC THAT I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF.
UM, AND THIS ESTABLISHES THE, THE MEMBERSHIP OFFICE MEETING PROCEDURES.
SO IF YOU DO HAVE A TWO YEAR TERM, EVERYBODY HERE HAS A TWO YEAR TERM, UM, ATTENDANCE.
YOU CAN'T MISS MORE THAN, YOU CAN'T MISS THREE CONSECUTIVE MEETINGS.
WE DO LOOK AT IT IN A, A CALENDAR YEAR AS WELL.
AND WE REPORT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AS A GENERAL RULE.
HEY, HERE'S WHAT THE ATTENDANCE RECORD BASICALLY FOR EVERYBODY, ESPECIALLY IF YOUR TERM IS COMING UP.
THEY ALWAYS ASK FOR THAT INFORMATION.
LIKE, ARE THEY, ARE THEY GOING TO THE MEETINGS? YES.
AND THEN THIS IS KIND OF A NEW ONE.
UM, SO THERE IS A PIECE IN THERE ABOUT VOTING THAT ACTUALLY LAMI BROUGHT THIS UP TO ME TODAY AND I THOUGHT THIS WAS WORTH MENTIONING.
WHEN THERE'S A ZONING AMENDMENT, IF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION VOTES FOR DENIAL.
SO THEY'RE GONNA RECOMMEND DENIAL TO CITY COUNCIL AND UPS, THE, THE, UM, UM, THE THRESHOLD FOR CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE IT.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING, UM, A REGULAR, YOU GUYS HAVE VOTED TO, UH, TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, THEN CITY COUNCIL JUST HAS TO HAVE A SIMPLE MAJORITY.
IF YOU HAVE RECOMMENDED DENIAL, IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEY WANT TO APPROVE IT.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY, WHICH IS 75% OF THE VOTE, NOT JUST 51% OF VOTE.
SO THAT IS, I BELIEVE THAT'S NEW IN THE NEW CODE.
UM, BUT WE ALSO, THERE IS, I'VE SEEN SOME STUFF IN THE LEGISLATURE THIS YEAR.
THERE ARE BILLS THAT ARE ACTUALLY, UM, ACTUALLY PROPOSED TO THAT.
SO THE OTHER SECTION OF THE ODC THAT TALKS ABOUT, UM, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS, UH, ARTICLE SEVEN.
THIS IS DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCEDURES.
THIS IS REALLY ALL ABOUT THE PROCESSES FOR P AND Z.
AND WE REALLY GET INTO MORE DETAIL WHEN WE GET INTO THE RULES OF PROCEDURE.
BUT, UM, IT'S ABOUT YOUR MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLANS, TEXT AMENDMENT, ZONING, MAP, AMENDMENT, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SUBDIVISION PLANS.
IT'S ALL THE STUFF THAT YOU GUYS SAW TONIGHT AND EVERYTHING YOU SEE ON A REGULAR BASIS.
THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE AUTHORIZED TO DO.
THERE IS, UM, SEVERAL TABLES IN THAT SECTION OF THE ODC THAT SAY, HERE'S A PROCESS AND THEN IT'S HERE'S WHO, HERE'S WHO HEARS IT FIRST, HERE'S WHO HERE'S APPEALS.
AND IT GOES DOWN THAT HOLE LIST.
AND YOU'LL SEE WHERE P AND Z IS MENTIONED.
YOU'LL SEE WHERE THE DIRECTOR IS MENTIONED BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, CITY COUNCIL, THEY'RE ALL IN THERE AND IT KIND OF LINES OUT EXACTLY WHO DOES WHAT.
SO YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
YOU, YOU HAVE, AGAIN, I'M JUST GONNA KINDA SHOW YOU WHERE TO FIND THINGS LIKE THAT.
OKAY, SO WE'VE HAD A FEW MEETINGS IN THE RECENT PAST WHERE, UM, IT, IT GOT A LITTLE, UM, STRESSFUL, I THINK IS A GOOD WORD TO PUT IT.
UM, PEOPLE WERE SORT OF TALKING OVER EACH OTHER.
UM, THERE, THERE WASN'T A LOT OF, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT CHAOTIC.
AND SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT THE RULES OF PROCEDURE BASICALLY SAY THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T GET CHAOTIC TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PRESENT AS A PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION.
UM, BECAUSE IT, IT'S HARD, UH, LET ME PUT IT ANOTHER WAY.
UM, WHEN WE PRESENT AS A PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION, WE HAVE A LOT MORE CREDIBILITY AS A GROUP.
IT INCLUDES STAFF THAT INCLUDES, UM, YOU GUYS AS A BOARD.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS IMPORTANT STUFF.
UM, SO IN THE RULES OF PROCEDURE, UM, HERE'S THE FIRST ONE, 2.4.
AND I, IF ANYBODY WANTS A COPY OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE, I CAN PROVIDE THAT TO YOU.
I THINK I DID AT THE LAST, UH, TRAINING, BUT SOME OF YOU WEREN'T HERE FOR THAT.
UM, 'CAUSE IT WAS A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
ANY COMMISSIONER DESIRING TO SPEAK HAVE TO BE RECOGNIZED BY YOUR CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR, WHOEVER'S RUNNING THE MEETING.
SO WHEN THERE, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF RICK IS, IS THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING, WE GET THROUGH THAT.
HE SAYS, IS ANYBODY DESIRING TO SPEAK? WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS WE NEED TO SEE SOME SIGNALS TO RICK.
HEY, I HAVE A QUESTION AND THEN RICK WILL CALL ON YOU.
AND IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN, UM, BRANDON CAPTIO RUN A MEETING, HE'S REALLY GOOD AT THAT.
YOU'LL SEE HIM, YOU'LL SEE HIM POINT TO ONE COUNCIL MEMBER AND THEY SAY, OKAY, YOU GO FIRST AND THEN I'LL GET TO YOU.
AND THEN I'LL DO YOU THE, THE IDEA TOO IS THAT IN
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GENERAL, YOU, YOU SAY YOUR PIECE, ASK YOUR QUESTIONS, THEN IT GOES TO THE NEXT PERSON.THEN IF THERE ARE NOBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR MAKE COMMENTS, THEN YOU CAN TAKE ANOTHER STAB AT IT.
BUT YOU, THE, THE GENERAL, THE COURTESY IS TO LET IT GO ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BOARD FIRST BEFORE JUMPING IN ON ADDITIONAL THINGS.
YOU CAN GET OUT WHATEVER YOU NEED TO GET OUT FIRST, BUT THEN ONCE YOU KIND OF CUT THAT OFF, IT SHOULD MOVE ON TO THE NEXT FIRST.
OKAY, SO NUMBER 3.1, COMMISSIONERS.
UM, SO AGAIN, THIS KIND OF COMES BACK TO COMMISSIONER SHALL PRESERVE ORDER IN DECORUM A CONVERSATION, OTHERWISE DELAY OR INTERRUPT THE PROCEEDINGS, OR REFUSE TO OBSERVE THE RULES OF COMMISSION.
UM, I'M GONNA PICK ON RICK A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE, UM, RICK IS A NICE GUY AND I THINK YOU GUYS KNOW RICK IS A NICE GUY.
THERE ARE TIMES WHEN I NEED RICK TO BE MEAN.
AND SO, UM, NO, I WOULDN'T BE A JERK
ARE YOU CAPABLE OF THAT? NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
BUT, BUT AGAIN, IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN BRANDON RUN A MEETING, HE'LL NOTICE THAT IF SOMEONE IS EITHER TALKING OUTTA TURN OR SOMEONE SPEAKS FROM THE AUDIENCE, YEAH, OR THEY GO OVER THERE ALLOTTED TIME LIMIT, HE'LL CUT HIM OFF AND HE'LL TELL HIM HE DOES IT IN A PROFESSIONAL, COURTEOUS WAY.
BUT IT ALSO APPLIES TO BOARD MEMBERS.
SO IF SOMEBODY'S TALKING OVER SOMEONE ELSE OR SOMETHING, THERE'S A, SOMETHING GOING ON BACK AND FORTH, IT SHOULDN'T, THEN IT IS UP TO RICK TO, TO LITERALLY BRING DOWN THE HAMMER AND SAY, HEY GUYS, HOLD ON.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE GET BACK TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND SAY, OKAY, TRACY, YOU WERE SPEAKING, SO PLEASE FINISH WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT IS, AGAIN, IT'S RIGHT IN THE RULES.
UM, ALSO THE NEXT ITEM ON UNDER THAT SUBSECTION, UM, ONCE A COMMISSIONER IS RECOGNIZED, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO INTERRUPT THEM.
YOU NEED TO GO AHEAD AND LET THEM FINISH WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
AND THEN UNLESS THERE IS A CALL TO ORDER BY THE, THE CHAIRMAN, OR UNLESS A POINT OF ORDER IS RAISED BY ANOTHER COMMISSIONER, A POINT OF ORDER, UM, I THINK, UM, TRACY DID ONE NOT TOO LONG AGO THAT WAS ACTUALLY CALLED A QUESTION OR CALLED A MOTION, ONE OF THE TWO.
UM, AND THEN REALLY WHAT HAPPENS THEN IS RICK STOPS WHATEVER IS HAPPENING.
SO AT THAT ONE THAT WAS CALLED WE ALL, WE HADN'T DONE THAT IN A LONG, LONG TIME.
SO EVERYBODY KINDA WENT, UH, INCLUDING MYSELF.
I WENT, OH CRAP, WE SHOULD HAVE STOPPED IT.
SO WE KIND OF, I THINK KIM WAS SPEAKING AT THE TIME, IT WAS LIKE, LET KIM FINISH WHAT SHE WAS SAYING.
AND THEN I WENT TO RICK AND SAID, WE REALLY THIS BACK.
SO THAT'S, THAT WAS A, AGAIN, IT HADN'T HAPPENED IN A LONG TIME.
SO IT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WE, WE DIDN'T HANDLE THAT CORRECTLY, BUT I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LEARNING FROM THOSE.
I DIDN'T DO IT CORRECTLY, BUT, UM, UNLESS THE POINT OF ORDER.
SO, BUT OTHERWISE THE PERSON SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK UNINTERRUPTED UNTIL FIRST.
UM, UNLESS THEY'RE GETTING OFF TOPIC.
IF THEY'RE GETTING OFF TOPIC, IT'S UP TO RICK TO SAY, HEY, THAT'S OVER HERE.
UM, SO, UH, IF A COMMISSIONER'S CALLED TO ORDER, THEN THEY NEED TO STOP SPEAKING AND THEN THE QUESTION OF ORDER IS DETERMINED BY THE CHAIR.
SO IF IT'S RULED TO BE NOT AN ORDER, THEN YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH DONE AT THAT POINT.
BUT IF IT IS RULED TO BE AN ORDER, THEN YOU CAN FINISH WHATEVER YOUR THOUGHT WAS AT THAT POINT.
UH, IN 5.3, PRESERVATION OF ORDER, AGAIN, HERE IS WE'RE KIND OF SWINGING BACK TO RICK AGAIN.
IT'S UP TO THE CHAIR OR THE VICE CHAIR DEFENDANT, DEPENDING ON WHO'S PRESIDING, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT ORDER IN DECORUM IS CAPPED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE MEETING.
SO AGAIN, I KIND OF NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MEANER SOMETIMES, UM, AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY AT THE, AT THE TABLE IS KIND OF TREATING EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT, WITH COURTEOUS, UH, WITH COURTESY.
AND, UH, TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON SOMETHING THAT JASON SAID, UM, IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, THEN BASICALLY RICK CAN CALL ON THE DIRECTOR TO REMOVE PEOPLE FROM THE, FROM THE BOARD SETTING FOR THAT MEETING.
AND THEN YOU HEARD JAY'S COMMENTS AS WELL.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
UM, THAT WOULD LOOK BAD ON ALL OF US.
AND, AND THE BOARD STAFF, THE CITY, WE GET A REPUTATION REALLY FAST.
IF YOU'VE EVER HEARD, UH, RUMORS ABOUT OTHER CITIES AND HOW THEY RUN THEIR BOARDS, IT NEVER ENDS WITH A POSITIVE COMMENT.
SO, UH, SO AGAIN, THIS IS JUST KIND OF PART OF THOSE RULES.
UM, WE'VE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT ROBERT'S RULES OF WORK CAME UP I THINK IN THE DECEMBER MEETING, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER MEETING.
I KNOW MIKE BROUGHT UP A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT HOW WE WERE DOING THINGS.
I WANT TO KIND OF ADDRESS 'EM A LITTLE BIT HERE TONIGHT.
I DON'T WANNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON IT BECAUSE WE COULD DO SIX HOURS ON ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
IT WAS A VIRTUAL CLASS OR SOMETHING.
I DUNNO, LET'S NOT DO, LET'S NOT DO THAT.
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UM, BUT THAT SAID, THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS AND I WANT EVERYBODY TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE AND VANCE AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.IF I MISQUOTED ANYTHING, IT'S FEEL FREE TO, TO JUMP OUT THERE AND, AND SAY I'M NOT SURE THAT'S RIGHT.
UM, BECAUSE I I, I DID MOST OF MY RESEARCH ONLINE, UH, FOR THE THINGS THAT I DIDN'T KNOW.
AGAIN, I'VE BEEN RUNNING MEETINGS LIKE THIS FOR 25 YEARS, SO I KNOW A DECENT AMOUNT, BUT WE DON'T FOLLOW ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER TO THE, TO THE LETTER.
'CAUSE THE ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER IS THIS BIG.
AND IF WE SAID WE'RE FOLLOWING IT TO THE LETTER, WE WOULD BE IN COURT FOR EVERYTHING WE DO.
'CAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH TO MISS.
SO WE SAY WE USE IT AS A GENERAL GUIDELINE.
SO, UM, WE, WE, SO HERE'S OUR AGENDA.
UM, I'M GONNA RUN DOWN THROUGH THIS QUICKLY BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS.
WE DO A CALL TO ORDER, DO ROLL CALL TONIGHT.
WE HAD A CHANGE TO THE AGENDA.
HEY, WE HAD SOMETHING REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA.
UM, WE'LL DO ELECTION OF OFFICERS ONCE A YEAR, GET APPROVAL OF MINUTES, QUICK SIDE NOTE TO APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
EVEN IF YOU WEREN'T AT THE MEETING, YOU CAN VOTE ON MINUTES WHEN YOU VOTE YES ON MINUTES.
IT MEANS I RECEIVED THE MINUTES AND I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM.
SO THAT'S UP TO YOU IF YOU DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
YOU CAN RECUSE YOURSELF FROM VOTING ON MINUTES IF YOU WEREN'T THERE, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT.
UM, SO THEN WE, WE MOVE INTO PRELIMINARY PLATS.
UM, THOSE STILL COME TO CITY, UH, EXCUSE ME, TO P AND Z, UM, THAT WE GO TO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO, UM, RICK READS THE PROCEDURE AND THAT'S FOR ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS.
AND THEN RIGHT AFTER THAT, WHEN WE GET INTO AN ITEM AS, AS THE ITEM IS READ, IF YOU HAVE A CONFLICT OR YOU HAVE VISITED THE SITE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE INTENT OF SEEING THE SITE FOR THIS, THIS APPLICATION, YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO STATE THAT ON RECORD.
SO, UM, AGAIN, IF YOU JUST DROVE PAST IT, 'CAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO GET GAS OR SOMETHING, YOU DON'T HAVE TO STATE THAT.
BUT IF YOU WENT THERE TO SEE WHAT THERE WAS TO SEE, AND YOU HAVE TO STATE THAT THERE'S ALSO A PIECE OF PAPERWORK THAT GOES WITH THAT THAT, UM, WE, WE TAKE CARE OF EITHER BEFORE AND, UM, STAFF REPORT IS THEN PRESENTED.
AND THEN, THEN THE FIRST THING WE DO IS GET THE APPLICANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT.
WE ARE TRYING TO BE BETTER ABOUT GETTING THE APPLICANTS HERE TO, 'CAUSE THEY SOMETIMES COME, SOMETIMES DON'T LIKE THEM TO BE HERE EVERY SINGLE TIME IN CASE YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS.
UM, JUST, JUST, UH, HAVE A CRAP SHOOT SOMETIMES.
UM, OH, AND I WANNA GO BACK TO, I, I FORGOT TO SAY SOMETHING EARLIER WHEN I MENTIONED BE PREPARED AND READ THE STAFF REPORTS, THE PACKETS, WE ALL, WE UNDERSTAND THAT GETTING THEM FRIDAY AND HAVING TILL TUESDAY TO READ THEM IS A PRETTY, THAT'S A TIME CRUNCH.
SO WE ARE MAKING EFFORTS STARTING WITH THIS NEXT PACKET TO GET THEM OUT TO YOU GUYS ON WEDNESDAYS.
I'D LIKE TO MOVE IT UP TO TUESDAY, BUT, UM, MY STAFF'S GONNA SHOOT ME IF I PUSH 'EM TOO HARD.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO THIS INCREMENTALLY.
WE'RE GONNA SHOOT FOR WEDNESDAYS.
IF THAT WORKS, PUSH IT BACK ANOTHER DAY.
I WANT TO GIVE YOU GUYS A FULL WEEK.
UM, SOME OF THEM ARE HEAVIER, HEAVIER STAFF REPORTS THAN HEAVIER PACKETS THAN OTHERS.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK YOU GUYS DESERVE AND, AND SHOULD HAVE.
UM, IT ALSO TAKES AWAY THE EXCUSES.
UM, SO APPLICANT PRESENTS, UM, OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU GUYS KNOW THAT'S A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT FOR EACH SPEAKER AND THEN ANY KIND OF REBUTTALS EITHER FROM STAFF OR FROM THE APPLICANT.
AND THEN WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU'RE ALSO ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS WITH ME THAT
SO THEN THERE'S DISCUSSION BY THE BOARD.
UM, IT IS, SO REMEMBER THE HEARING IS CLOSED AT THIS STAGE.
IT IS APPROPRIATE TO ASK STAFF QUESTIONS, TO ASK THE APPLICANT QUESTIONS.
IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC AT THAT POINT HAD THEIR CHANCE.
SO WE DO ON OCCASION WITH, WITH SOME REGULARITY, ACTUALLY HAVE SOMEONE SITTING IN THEIR CHAIR SAY, HEY, I WANNA SAY SOMETHING ELSE.
AND IT'S REALLY UP TO RICK TO SAY, I'M SORRY YOU HAD YOUR, YOU HAD YOUR OPPORTUNITY.
SO UNLESS THERE'S A SPECIFIC QUESTION FROM A BOARD MEMBER, YOU'RE, YOU'RE DONE.
UM, AND THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S A TOUGH THING TO, TO DO AND TO SAY, BUT THAT'S PART OF THAT STAYING CONSISTENT.
UM, BEING FAIR TREATING EVERYBODY.
SO CAN I JUMP IN HERE? YES, SIR.
I THINK A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD CAN'T ALLOW THEM TO IF, IF THEY DECIDE THAT YOU WANNA GO THERE, BUT RIGHT, RIGHT.
UM, SO YEAH, IF, IF THEY GET TO THE THREE MINUTES AND THEY'RE NOT DONE AND THEY SAY, CAN I KEEP GOING, THEN RICK CAN CALL FOR A MOTION TO ALLOW THEM TO KEEP GOING, WHICH THEN YOU GUYS VOTE ON AND SAY, OKAY, YOU CAN HAVE ANOTHER THREE MINUTES OR JUST GO HOWEVER LONG YOU WANT.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT.
UM, SO YOUR MOTION IS GONNA BE A YES OR A NO, AND IT CAN INCLUDE REASONABLE CONDITIONS.
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YOU CAN'T PUT CONDITIONS ON A REZONE.ALMOST EVERYTHING ELSE YOU GUYS OR A PLAT FOR THAT MATTER.
YOU, YOU CAN PUT 'EM ON JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU GUYS DO.
SO YES, THERE ARE SOME SITUATIONS WHERE YOU CAN MAKE CONDITIONS.
THERE ARE SOME SITUATIONS WHERE, SO, UH, STAFF WILL TRY TO BE CLEAR WHERE THOSE THINGS ARE.
AGAIN, YOU CAN'T PLA YOU CAN'T, OTHER THAN THAT, REMEMBER, PLATS ARE MINISTERIAL.
IF SAF SAYS THEY'RE READY TO GO, PRETTY MUCH HAVE TO APPROVE THOSE AND THE FINAL PLATS ARE NOT GONNA COME THROUGH YOU GUYS ANYMORE.
SO WHEN YOU DO MAKE A MOTION, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS, AND THIS IS EVERY BOARD, THIS IS NOT YOU GUYS, THIS IS EVERY BOARD CLEAR FINDINGS ARE SUPER IMPORTANT.
UM, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? OKAY, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES.
UM, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE REQUESTED ZONING MAP AMENDMENT 'CAUSE IT CONFORMS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
'CAUSE THE TESTIMONY PROVIDED AT THIS HEARING.
SO THAT'S VAGUE ENOUGH, BUT SPECIFIC ENOUGH TO SAY THAT IS A CLEAR FINDING.
UM, ANOTHER ONE I MOVE TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST FOR EVERYTHING I SAID IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THAT'S, THAT'S AN EASY ONE TOO.
DOESN'T WORK IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THE STAFF REPORT.
SO YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETTER IF THAT'S THE CASE.
UM, ONE MORE, UM, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR THE REASONS STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
SO IF IT WAS A PUD, IF IT WAS A VARIANCE OF SOME SORT, IF IT WAS AN S-U-P-S-U-P IS ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
YOU CAN PUT CONDITIONS ON THAT ALL DAY LONG.
UM, AND SO THEN YOU JUST LIST OUT THE CONDITIONS.
I THINK WE DID THAT AT THE DECEMBER MEETING.
WE HAD A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND WE ATTACHED, UM, NOT ONLY DID STAFF HAVE CONDITIONS ATTACHED TO IT, BUT YOU GUYS VOTED TO CHANGE A COUPLE OF THOSE CONDITIONS.
SO, UM, SO THE MOTION HAS TO HAVE A SECOND BEFORE YOU HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, EXCEPT IF THERE'S A POINT OF CLARIFICATION OR INFORMATION OR A POINT OF ORDER.
WHAT IF THERE'S NO SECOND TO THE MOTION? WELL, RICK, YOU'RE IN CHARGE.
WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S NO SECOND? YEP.
IF YOU FOR A MOTION, MOTION, SECOND MOTION.
I HAVE SAID, UM, I HAVE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AND I DON'T GET A SECOND.
NOBODY ELSE IS WILLING TO STEP UP.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU'RE GONNA CALL FOR THAT.
YOU'RE GONNA CALL FOR A SECOND THREE TIMES.
AGAIN, IF YOU EVER WATCH BRANDON DO IT, HE'LL DO IT PRETTY RAPID SESSION WITHIN 10 SECONDS OR SO.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL ASK AGAIN.
IS THERE A SECOND? YOU DO IT A THIRD TIME.
OKAY, HEARING THAT SECOND, UM, THE MOTION'S DEAD.
UM, I'LL ENTERTAIN ANOTHER MOTION.
SO, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S KEY TOO IS SAYING WE GOTTA HAVE ANOTHER MOTION.
WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO BOOK ON THIS ITEM.
MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE COMPLETED OUR JOB.
NOW WHEN THERE IS A REZONE OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE AND WE JUST CAN'T GET A QUORUM AND WE KEEP COMING UP AS TIE VOTES WHERE NOBODY WANTS TO MAKE ANY MOTION AT ALL, THEN THAT COULD GO FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL WITH NO, UM, WITH NO RECOMMENDATION.
THAT HASN'T HAPPENED SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
AND WE'RE GONNA DO EVERYTHING WE CAN AS A BOARD TO LET THAT HAPPEN.
THEN WE'RE NOT, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE DOING JOBS.
SOMETIMES YOU CAN GET JUST GRIDLOCK LIKE THAT.
THERE'S NO WAY TO COME OUT BECAUSE YOU JUST CAN'T RAISE BUTTON HEADS AND YOU CAN'T COME UP WITH THAT AGAIN.
OKAY, SO HERE'S WHAT CAME UP IN DECEMBER.
WE HAD AN AMENDMENT TO A MOTION.
SO FANS, I'M GONNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
FANS DID NOT KNOW WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT
UM, SO HERE'S WHAT, AND I HAVE INCLUDED SOME INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKETS IN THE, IN THE VERY BACK STUFF THAT I FOUND ONLINE.
A COUPLE OF ARTICLES REGARDING MOTIONS, HOW TO MAKE MOTIONS, KIND OF WHAT THE PROCESS IS.
AND ALSO FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS TO MOTIONS.
THERE'S FRIENDLY ONES AND THEN THERE'S ONES THAT ARE, WE'LL CALL 'EM, NOT FRIENDLY, BUT WE'LL CALL 'EM NOT FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS.
UM, FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS ARE CONSIDERED THINGS THAT WHERE ALL WE'RE DOING IS CLARIFYING.
WE'RE JUST SAYING, OKAY, WHAT'S THE EXAMPLE IN IT? IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA ORDER COMPUTERS.
UM, OH, WE ARE GOING CLARIFY THAT TO BE MACINTOSH COMPUTER.
SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE YOU'RE JUST MAKING IT MUCH CLEARER THAN, THAN WHAT IT WAS IN THE FIRST.
IF IT'S CHANGING SOMETHING, THEN, THEN THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT FEEL TO IT.
IT'S NOT TO SAY YOU CAN'T DO IT, BUT WE, WE DON'T CONSIDER THAT PART.
SO THE MOTION HAS TO BE SECONDED.
THIS IS, AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA GO STRICT ORDER.
TAMMY HAS SECOND OSCAR SAYS, OKAY, OR, OR, UM, I'M SORRY.
RICK SAYS, OKAY, MOTION'S BEEN MADE AND SECONDED.
OSCAR SAYS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT.
THAT IS THE PROCESS AS IT GOES SECONDED THEN CHAIR RESTATES WHEN
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THE AMENDMENT IS DONE AND YOU, THE CHAIR WILL CALL FOR A SECOND TO THE AMENDMENT.AT THAT POINT, THE AMENDMENT NO LONGER, THE MOTION DOESN'T BELONG TO THE PERSON WHO MADE THE MOTION.
SO THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION AS TO THE PERSON WHO MADE THE MOTION.
DO THEY HAVE TO BE OKAY WITH THE AMENDMENT? THEY DO NOT.
UM, IT IS OF THE GROUP DECISION, NOT THE PERSON WHO MADE THE ORIGINAL.
IS THAT, IS THAT TRUE? YEAH, NO, I AGREE WITH THAT.
BUT UH, UM, I TALKED TO SCOTT AFTER THAT MEETING AND HE SAID IT'S GOOD PRACTICE TO ASK WHAT HE HAD SAID.
DO YOU WANT TO ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT TO YOU? AND THAT WAY IT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IF HIS, IF HE ACCEPTS THE AMENDMENT, THEN UM, THERE'S NO NEED TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE FORM PROCESS.
BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU GOTTA DO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE, RIGHT? WITH WITH A, A SECOND TO THE AMENDMENT.
AND, AND A VOTE AND A VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT BEFORE YOU VOTE ON THE ACTUAL MOTION.
THAT'S WHERE WE MESSED UP THAT DAY.
WE DIDN'T, WE VOTED ON THE AMENDMENT, BUT WE DIDN'T VOTE ON THE ACTUAL I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT 'CAUSE I WAS GONNA BRING THAT UP.
WHAT, WHAT WERE YOU GONNA ASK? ASK DONNA? WE NEVER VOTED ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
DONNA, YOU HAD A QUESTION? WHAT, WHAT IF YOU SAID IF THEY AGREE THIS, WHO MADE THE ORIGINAL MOTION AGREES WITH THE AMENDMENT? WHAT IF THEY DON'T AGREE, THEN YOU'RE DOING THE FORMAL WAY THAT, OKAY, SO I GUESS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THEN IS IF INFORMALLY EVERYBODY'S SORT OF COOL WITH THE AMENDMENT, THEN THE ORIGINAL PERSON CAN JUST SAY, LET ME RESTATE IT, AND THEN YOU THIS PERSON WHO SECOND IT AND SAY, I'M COOL WITH THAT, AND THEN THEY MOVE ON TO, BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING WHERE IT'S LIKE, NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I HAD IN MIND, THEN YOU VOTE FOR, YOU GET A SECOND AND YOU VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT ITSELF, THEN YOU VOTE, VOTE ON THE ENTIRE MOTION WITH THE AMENDMENT AS PART OF IT.
SO, SO THAT'S, I KNOW THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE MUDDY, BUT I THINK, I THINK VANCE AND I ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.
I THINK IF, IF THAT COMES UP AGAIN, THINK WE'LL HAVE A GOOD, WE'LL BE A GOOD PLACE TO SAY, OKAY GUYS, REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL OR YOU GUYS CAN JUST BE COOL WITH EVERYTHING EVERYBODY SAYS.
LET THE RECORD STATE THAT I MADE A FACE.
IT LOOKED LIKE I HAD SOME QUESTIONS TO THAT.
IS THERE SOME QUESTIONS ON THAT OR, OR VAGUE OR FROM, FROM THE GROUP? YEAH.
DOES EVERYBODY FEEL LIKE THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR? UM, SO SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION? YEP.
SOMEBODY SAYS THEY WANNA AMEND IT, THE AMENDMENT IS OKAY.
AND SINCE THE MOTION NOW BELONGS TO THE GROUP, THE PERSON WHO MADE THE MOTION, IT'S ALREADY BEEN SECONDED.
WE'RE JUST, AGAIN, THIS IS SORT OF LIKE AN INFORMAL THING TO SAY, OKAY, TRACY, YOU MADE THE MOTION.
OSCAR GOES, YEAH, THAT SOUNDS OKAY.
BASICALLY THE, THE RECORD'S GONNA SHOW THAT THE MOTION WAS ALWAYS THAT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
THEN IF THERE IS SOMEBODY, IF IF IT COMES BACK AND TRACY SAYS, NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT AT ALL, THEN WE'RE GONNA SAY, OKAY, THEN WE NEED A MOTION TO AMEND THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
AND THEN WE GET A SECOND AND THEN WE VOTE ON THAT CHANGE.
THEN ONCE THAT, IF, IF THAT'S VOTED YES, THEN YOU GO BACK AND VOTE ON THE FULL MOTION WITH THAT CHANGE.
SO AGAIN, I, I THINK WE'RE IN A BETTER PLACE THAT IF THAT COMES UP AGAIN, THEN, THEN ANCE AND I CAN HELP KIND OF DIRECT THAT A LITTLE BIT.
THE OTHER ONE THAT'S ALWAYS CONFUSING IS, UH, UH, A YES VOTE ON A NO MOTION.
SOMETHING THAT I ALWAYS MAKE SURE, LIKE, YOU'LL HEAR ME CHIME IN EVERY TIME I GO.
REMEMBER EVERYBODY AT THE DAY IS A YES VOTE IS A NO, IS IT NO ON THE APPLICATION? YES, ALWAYS CONFUSING.
UM, AND ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, TREAT THAT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
UM, BUT THIS IS REAL LIFE AND THIS IS THE WAY IT FUNCTION.
WE, WE MAKE MAKE A MOTION TO DENY EVERYBODY HAS TO SAY YES.
UM, OKAY, SO SECOND, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? NO, THEN WE VOTE.
WHAT IF THE MOTION FAILS? WHAT DO WE DO THEN? SO I TRACY'S MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
UM, AND THEN IT'S A SEVEN TO TWO VOTE AGAINST IT DIES.
SO THEN WHAT HAPPENS? YOU GONNA FOR
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ANOTHER MOTION? ANOTHER MOTION.BUT IF IT'S NOT, THEN IT, THE WHOLE THING IS DEAD.
SO A MOTION TO, OR, UH, EXCUSE ME, IF A MOTION IS DENIED, IT DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION, RIGHT? SO, SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A REAL SPECIFIC, UM, PIECE OF THAT.
SO IF WE'VE VOTED TO APPROVE OR IF WE'VE MOTION TO APPROVE, BUT THE VOTE IS NO, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER MOTION.
ALRIGHT? UM, I'LL, I'LL HEAR ANOTHER MOTION.
AND ORDINARILY AGAIN, I THINK ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER IMMEDIATELY CALL COURT.
UM, YOU NEED TO CALL FOR THE OPPOSITE MOTION.
AGAIN, WE DO THINGS REAL LIFE.
IT COULD BE A MOTION WITH SOME THINGS CHANGED ABOUT THE WORDING OF THAT.
MAYBE IT'S AN SUP AND IT'S SOME CONDITIONS THAT CHANGE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT OTHERWISE, AGAIN, LOOKING, IF, IF IT SEEMS LIKE GRIDLOCK, THEN I'M GONNA LOOK TO RICK TO SAY, OKAY, WE NEED A MOTION.
AND THEN, YEAH, YES, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'VE HAD POSITIVE MOTIONS THAT FAILED BEFORE AND WE JUST WENT ON, LIKE WE ASSUMED, OKAY, WELL THEN THAT'S A DENIAL ON THE APPLICATION.
MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
PEOPLE THAT'S TECHNICAL, TECHNICALLY IT'S WRONG.
SO TWO QUESTIONS, WHATEVER FAILS AGAIN.
SECOND THAT AGAIN, WE KEEP GOING UNTIL NOBODY HAS ANYTHING, ANY OTHER IDEAS.
AND THEN THE CHAIR WILL JUST HAVE TO MAKE A CALL AND SAY, WELL, THIS MOVES FORWARD WITH NO RECOMMENDATION AFTER BASICALLY EXHAUSTED THE IDEAS FROM THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT? THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT COUNCIL DOES BECAUSE IF IF IT DIES, IT DIES.
CAN IT BE TABLED? COULD BE THAT COULD BE ONE TO TABLE.
IT COULD BE ONE OF YOUR MOTIONS TO TABLE IT.
HOWEVER, FROM STAFF'S POINT OF VIEW, I DON'T MIND TABLED.
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, THAT'S NOT TRUE.
I DON'T, BUT THERE BETTER BE A REASON.
THERE BETTER BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DOING IN THE INTERIM IF YOU'RE JUST TABLING IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA MAKE A DECISION ON IT THAT'S NOT DOING YOUR JOB.
SO IF IF IT'S, IF IT'S BOTH MOTIONS DIED, BASICALLY YOU CAN'T SAY IT'S DEAD.
IT JUST HAS NO RECOMMENDATION.
IT MOVES FORWARD WITHOUT A RECOMMENDATION.
SO ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO CITY COUNCIL, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING UNDER A DIFFERENT SET OF ROBERTS RULES THAN WHAT COUNCIL'S WORKING UNDER.
BECAUSE IF IT DIES, IT DIES FOR SIX MONTHS BEFORE IT CAN BE BROUGHT BACK UNDER COUNCIL POLICY.
UM, THAT'S BECAUSE WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS A RECOMMENDATION.
WHAT THEY DO IS A LEGISLATIVE DECISION.
SO THE MOTION, THE MOTION DIES, UM, THERE'S SOME POINT IN TIME, THERE'S DISCUSSION TO BE HAD BEFORE ANOTHER MOTION IS MADE.
SO WHEN DOES THAT HAPPEN? SO YOU CAN DISCUSS WHY IT DIED AND WHAT, WHAT YOU GONNA DO TO CHANGE IT TO MAKE IT PASS.
UH, VANCE, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION? DOES THE MOTION HAVE
DOES, DOES THE MOTION, SO MOTION DIES, CAN THEY DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT BEFORE MAKING ANOTHER MOTION? THEY CAN'T SURE.
US USUALLY ROBERT'S RULE SAYS YOU GOTTA HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE TO HAVE DISCUSSION.
OKAY? THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE GENERAL S GENERAL, YOU KNOW, BUT WE DON'T FOLLOW SPECIFICALLY BY ROBERT'S RULES.
WE DISCUSS A LOT OF TIMES BEFORE MOTIONS EVER, EVER MADE.
AND THAT'S BEEN A PRACTICE OF THE BOARD.
SO, BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU GET INTO A LOOP, IF IT DIED AND YOU CAN'T DISCUSS WHY IT DIED AND IT GETS MOVED AGAIN, THEN IT DIES AGAIN.
I MEAN, YOU'RE IN A LOOP IF YOU DON'T DISCUSS, I GUESS YOU COULD MAKE THE MOTION.
COULD YOU COULD ALSO MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN DISCUSSION.
THAT'S WHAT, YEAH, YOU COULD, IF, IF YOU'RE AT AN IMPASSE THAT SOMEONE CAN, WE, WE'VE WATCHED COUNSEL, WE'VE WATCHED COUNSEL DO THAT A BUNCH OF TIMES.
YEAH, YOU CAN SAY MOTION TO DISCUSS AND THEN, AND THEN THAT OPEN UP THE DISCUSSION.
THERE HAS TO BE SOME MECHANISM TO GET AROUND THAT'S, THAT'S MAKING MOTION AT THE MOTION.
DYING A MOTION, DYING A MOTION DIE.
A MOTION, WHAT I'M SAYING MOTION.
AND IF I, AND IF I CATCH THAT, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL MOTION TO RICK AND SAY, HEY, IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE A MOTION TO DISCUSS AT THIS POINT AND WHEN YOU GUYS MAKE IT, AND THEN WE JUST TALK ABOUT IT AND SEE IF WE CAN WORK THROUGH IT.
BUT AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF YOU CAN'T COME TO A CONSENSUS, THEN YOU CAN'T COME TO A CONSENSUS.
IT MOVES ON WITHOUT A, WITHOUT A RECOMMENDATION, EVERYTHING DIES.
THEN AT SOME POINT, RICK HAS TO JUST CALL IT, OKAY, I GUESS HAVE ANY, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, ANY ACTION ON ITEM FORWARD CITY COUNCIL.
UM, I WANT KEEP MOVING BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY EATEN IN A LONGEST OF TIME.
UM, OTHER, SO THEN WE HIT OTHER NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. CONSENT AGENDA.
REMEMBER CONSENT AGENDA IN THE PAST HAS ALWAYS BEEN THOSE FINAL
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PLATS.I WILL BRING FINAL PLATS IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE IN THE CODE, IN THE NEW CODE, IT SAYS BASICALLY, UM, DIRECTOR OR STAFF APPOINTEES ARE ALLOWED TO MAKE THE, THE ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION ON, ON FINAL PLATS.
BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT IS CONTROVERSIAL IS A HIGH, UM, HIGH PROFILE ITEM, WE STILL HAVE THE OPTION TO BRING IT TO YOU GUYS SO THAT YOU CAN SEE IT AND GIVE IT TO YOUR OFFICIAL THUMBS UP.
THE, THE, THE, UM, THE CODE STILL SAYS BASICALLY WHEN I APPROVE SOMETHING OR STAFF APPROVES IT, WE'RE APPROVING IT ON YOUR BEHALF.
SO WE CAN ALWAYS DEFAULT TO THE BOARD IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
SO, BUT THAT FOR THE MOST PART, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THOSE OFF YOUR PLATE BECAUSE ONCE THEY COME TO YOU, IT'S ALREADY BEEN DECIDED, THEY'RE GOOD TO GO.
IT'S JUST, IT'S KIND OF WASTING EVERYBODY'S TIME.
THE OTHER THING IT WILL DO IS HOPEFULLY WE'LL SPEED UP THE REVIEW PROCESS BECAUSE NOW THERE ARE NO SUBMITTAL DEADLINES BEFORE THAT, BUT THAT DEADLINE HAVE BEEN 30 DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
WE DON'T START THE CLOCK UNTIL WE PUBLISH THE AGENDA AT THIS POINT.
WE WILL START THE CLOCK AS SOON AS WE DETERMINE THAT THE APPLICATIONS ARE.
SO THAT WILL HOPEFULLY SAVE, UM, THE PLAT APPLICANT'S ANYWHERE FROM A WEEK TO A COUPLE WEEKS, MAYBE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, BUT IT ALSO MEANS THAT THEIR SCHEDULE'S A LITTLE MORE FORMAL.
SO WE THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD ONE.
UM, AND WE HAVE DISCUSSION ITEMS, DIRECTOR'S REPORT AND EXECUTIVE SESSION.
THIS IS, I WILL ADMIT RIGHT NOW I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BECAUSE VANCE AND I WERE HAVING A SIDE CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING HAS BEEN THAT EVEN IF IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, THAT UNDER TEXAS CODE, IF YOU'RE SITTING AT THE DAIS AND THERE IS A LEGAL QUESTION ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN OR CANNOT DO, WE CAN GO TO EX SESSION IN ORDER TO DETERMINE THAT.
LIKE CITY COUNCIL, JUST LIKE CITY COUNCIL DOES, IF YOU WANT LEGAL COUNSEL, RIGHT, YOU CAN ALL ON PROCEDURE, UH, YOU CAN ALWAYS GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THAT.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I, I'D MISSED THE PROCEDURE, I THINK.
BUT NORMALLY IT'S GOTTA BE, THERE'S GOTTA BE AN ITEM ON EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH THE REASON THAT GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AND, UM, BUT, BUT SOMETIMES THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT, SO MAYBE THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT A MOTION THAT WAS MADE OR A QUESTION ABOUT, WELL I HAVE AN IDEA ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO PROCESS WISE, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S LEGAL OR NOT.
THEN, THEN YES, YOU CAN ALWAYS, UM, LOOK TO RICK AND SAY, UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
WE GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION, YOU GUYS VOTE ON IT, COME IN HERE AND CLOSE THE DOORS.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY YOU GUYS, ME AND VANCE.
AND THEN WE HASH OUT WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE WITHOUT MAKING DECISIONS.
YOU ASK THE QUESTIONS AND THEN WE GO BACK IN THERE AND, AND DO WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T, IT HADN'T HAPPENED AT THIS PROBATION, BUT WHEN I WAS DOING COMMISSIONER'S COURT, THEY'D ASKED ME A LEGAL QUESTION FROM THE ADVICE, AND I'D SAY, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE SPEAKING IN PUBLIC ON THAT ISSUE.
I SAID, IF YOU WANT MY OPINION, LET'S GO INTO EXECUTIVE, I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU.
SO IT, YOU KNOW, I CAN ASK FOR IT, BUT IT'S STILL Y'ALL'S CHOICE.
Y'ALL CAN SAY NO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S YOUR ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE IS YOURS TO WAIVE.
BUT, UH, BUT SOMETIMES THAT I MAY PREFER TO GIVE, IF I'M GONNA GIVE A LONG SPELL, I PREFER TO BE AN EXECUTIVE.
OKAY, THAT IS THE END OF WHAT I HAD TO PRESENT TODAY.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS OR CONCERNS? I HAVE A QUESTION.
I WANTED LESLIE'S DIRECT GUEST GUIDE.
TWO EIGHT WHAT? 4 2 0 5 3 9 6 9 6.
WE'LL GET YOU LESLIE, EVERY TIME NAME.
IT'S ONLY EVERY EMAIL SHE SENDS YOU
IT'S, UM, AGAIN, I INCLUDED A COUPLE OF HANDOUTS IN THE BACK READ IF YOU ARE TO HEAR, TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT SOME ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER AND STUFF.
BUT IT'S VERY, VERY HIGH LEVEL.
UM, IF YOU BORED AND WANTED TO SLEEP
SO, UM, BUT FEEL FREE TO TOSS IT IF YOU TRUST THE STAFF AND WE CAN JUST HANDLE IT.
UM, OKAY, THAT SAID, I HAVE EATEN UP A BUNCH OF MIA'S TIME, SO WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HOLD YOU OVER A FEW MINUTES.
SO LAIA IS GONNA GIVE YOU A HIGH LEVEL KIND OF OVERVIEW OF THE NEW YIELDING SEA AND KIND OF HOW TO FIND THINGS AND WHAT IT IS THAT IS, IS THERE AS A, AS A TOOL.
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MOMMY, I WILL LET YOU DRIVE.MOMMY, NO OFFENSE, I'M GONNA SLIP OUT.
GETTING, GETTING DEEP INTO THE LDC.
AND DON'T FORGET, THERE IS STILL, UH, WATERS AND THERE'S UM, SNACKS UP HERE.
POP YOUR HAND AND GO FOR THEM COOKIES.
I'M NOT TELLING YOU IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT KIND OF COOKIES THEY'RE GONE.
THERE'S SOME LIKE OATMEAL RAISIN ONES.
YOU CAN GO OUT THE, I GONNA HIT THE SUGAR ONES.
HOW MUCH WERE THEY? NO, I JUST TACO CHIP AND, UH, CHOCOLATE CHIP OATMEAL.
SHE HASN'T DECIDED WHETHER SHE LIKES IT OR NOT.
YOU GUYS READY? THIS IS, IT'S GONNA BLOW YOUR MIND.
THEY'RE JUST WAITING TO SOAK UP ALL THIS.
SO THE, THE CHEAT SHEET THAT WE PREPARED HERE GIVES YOU AN IDEA AND SOME QUICK LINKS TO THE TYPE OF PERMIT THAT, UH, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN A VACANT PROPERTY, UH, THEN YOU GO THROUGH THIS ROUTE AND, AND THIS PAGE, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED OR SOMEBODY ELSE IS INTERESTED IN, UH, A, UH, ACCESSORY USE AND STRUCTURE, YOU WOULD USE THIS THING AND WE'LL SEND YOU THE PDF.
SO YOU HAVE, UH, AN ACTIVATE, UH, UH, TO USE TEMPORARY USE STANDARD.
THIS IS SOMETHING NEW, IT'S A NEW PERMIT THAT IT IS, UH, UH, IT'S INTRODUCED IN THE NEW WORKING ON THE PERMIT FOR IT.
YOU KNOW THAT THE SIGN, UH, CODE HAS CHANGED, UH, FROM THE OLD CODE.
UH, THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY PERMIT IS THERE.
AND THE, UH, SAYING ON ARTICLE SIX, UH, MORE INFORMATION AND REVIEW PROCEDURE OF ARTICLE SEVEN, UH, EIGHT IS ABOUT THE NONCONFORMING USE, NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE, NONCONFORMING SIGN, OR, UH, NONCONFORMING.
UH, I'M GOING TO START WITH THE BAYTOWN ENGAGE, UH, BAYTOWN ORG.
SO THAT'S THE OFFICIAL, UH, PAGE FOR THE CITY OF BAYTOWN AND SLOW.
OH, BUT IF YOU GO, WE HAVE TWO PAGES HERE ON RESIDENT AND GOVERNMENT FOR, UH, FOR PAINTING.
SO IF YOU GO TO RESIDENCE, IT WILL SHOW THAT, UM, IF YOU GO UP TO, UM, IT SAYS BUILDING, BUILDING, CONSTRUCTION AND ZONING.
SO IF YOU HOVER OVER IT, NORMALLY YOU WOULD SEE THOSE NEXT TO, UH, THE CITIES AND YOU CAN GO TO ZONING.
AND ONCE YOU'RE HERE, YOU'LL SEE SCREEN THINGS.
THE FIRST ONE IS THE, UH, 2025 FEW NDC WILL TAKE YOU DIRECTLY TO, UH, THIS IS, WE SAVED THE PDF FOR THE 2014 AND DC CODE CASE.
ANY DEVELOPER HAS AN OLDER, UH, APPLICATION OR PERMIT WITH US.
WE NEED TO GO AND THEY NEED TO GO AND TO, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT APPLIES TO THE 15 CODE.
AND THIS IS THE, UH, GI S MAP.
SO THIS IS YOUR FIRST THING TO DO.
IF YOU HAVE A NEW DEVELOPMENT, YOU CLICK THE, UM, GI S MAP.
YOU'VE SEEN US USE GIS BEFORE ON TIMES.
IT DOES LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
IT HAS SOME ADDITIONAL FUNCTIONALITY.
IT'S DOING WEIRD THINGS BECAUSE OF OUR CONNECTION TONIGHT.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY, SORRY, BUT THIS WOULD BE THE SAME GIS MAP SEARCH, GIS IN THE THIRD PART.
IT'S, IT REFERS TO ALL THE SAME INFORMATION.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS GONNA LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND IT'S GONNA PROVIDE YOU THIS PANEL OFF
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TO THE LEFT HERE.IT'S GONNA PROVIDE YOU MORE SUMMARY INFORMATION LIKE THAT.
HOW LONG WILL THE 2014 CODE STILL BE UP? IT, IT WILL BE UP FOR A LONG TIME.
UH, WHAT IS THE STUCK IN? STUCK? YEAH, SORRY.
NOT, NOT THE, NOT THE GIS LET, LET'S GO.
THERE IS ANOTHER WAY TO GET A, UH, THE INTERNET.
LET'S JUST GO TO THE, LET'S JUST GO TO THE TEXT.
LET'S GONNA GO THROUGH, WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT AND LET IT JUST LOAD IN THE BACKGROUND AND SEE WHAT IT DOES.
THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, UH, THAN THE ONE I WANTED TO SHOW YOU.
UM, DONNA, THIS IS, THIS IS THE ONE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH? YEAH, THIS IS THE, THE, THE, THE ONE THAT IT'S ON THE WEBSITE.
SO FIRST OF ALL, GO TO PLANNING AND ACTIVE AND SEE WHERE IS YOUR PROPERTY BOTTOM.
WE'RE STILL KEEPING THE, UH, THE 20 AND THIS 20, ALL THE MAP WE SHOW YOU GUYS THE ZONING MAP, THE NEW ZONING MAP, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
UH, WE, THE OLD ZONING MAP IS THERE.
ALL OF THESE LAYERS ARE, YOU COULD FIND, I MEAN THERE'S, THE KEY TO THE OTHER MAP THAT LAIA WAS TRYING TO OPEN IS THAT IT KIND OF WEEDS OUT A LOT OF THE CRAP THAT YOU GUYS, MOST PEOPLE DON'T NEED TO SEE.
BUT THERE'S PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW, A HUNDRED LAYERS OR MORE ON THERE.
AND PROBABLY 85 OF 'EM YOU EITHER DON'T NEED, DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS AND NEVER CARE, BECAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY 80 OF 'EM ARE THAT WAY FOR ME.
SO, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, IF YOU WANTED TO KNOW WHICH THERE IS THIS, YOU CAN GO TO THE, TO THE KEY OR YOU CAN GO TO THOSE THREE HERE IN MIDDLE, SO THAT WAY YOU CAN CLICK ON ONE PROPERTY.
YOU THERE FORWARD BEGINNING TO SEE AT SOME POINT THAT THIS IS THE OLD, UH, GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING, AND THAT'S THE FREEWAY COMMERCIAL.
SO THIS PROPERTY WAS GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND THE ZONING BECOMES FREEWAY COMMERCIAL ON THIS STORE.
SO ONCE YOU'RE HERE, YOU GO BACK AND NOW YOU KNOW THAT YOUR PROPERTY IS FREEWAY COMMERCIAL, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO YOU GO BACK TO THE, UH, ZONING PAGE, PAGE AND THAT'S, YOU GUYS SAW A LITTLE BIT OF THIS WHEN WE DID THE, THE JOINT WORK SESSION BACK IN MAY.
SO THE FORMAT SHOULD LOOK AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT FAMILIAR IF YOU WERE THERE.
UM, BUT OVERALL THE CONTENT HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S JUST BEEN REFINED AND EXPANDED ON SINCE THEN.
YEAH, SO IF YOU FOLLOW THE STEPS HERE IN THIS PAGE, IT SAYS, UM, GO TO THE REVISION 2.3 USE STANDARDS.
AND IF YOU LOOK FOR THE, UH, THE PROPERTY, UH, RADIATION, THAT THE FREEWAY COMMERCIAL, UH, PROPERTY, THAT'S GC AND THESE ARE ALL THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, ZONING DISTRICT.
CAN YOU ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT? YEAH, THAT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY.
SO, AND THESE ARE THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, ZONING HISTORY.
THESE ARE THE CATEGORY OF USE.
SO COVER OVER, UH, THIS, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'LL GET, UM, THE USES THAT, THE PRIMARY USES THAT GOES UNDER THIS, UH, HOUSEHOLD DATA.
IF YOU SCROLL DOWN AND YOU'LL SEE OTHER CATEGORIES,
UM, SO WHEN, WHEN SOMEBODY COMES TO US AND SAY, I WANTED TO PUT THIS OFFICE IN HERE, SO DOES THIS OFFICE, UH, GOES UNDER THE OFFICE USE CATEGORY.
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THERE WE SEE THAT THIS USE IS UNDER THE OFFICE USE CATEGORY AND WE IT'S PERMITTED OR UH, PERMITTED.AND THESE ARE THE, THE ACCESSORY USES THAT THOSE PRIMARY USE.
SO YOU PAY ATTENTION 'CAUSE THIS KILL HALF OF YOUR PHONE CALL.
I WAS LITERALLY SITTING HERE THINKING MY TEXT, I GOT ALL THESE TEXTS LIKE NO.
AND I HAVE NO RECOLLECTION WHAT TIME IT IS OF THE DAY.
4:30 AM SORRY, WE GOT A SCHEDULE A TEXT SAYING LATER, DONNA, WAIT TILL THE AFTERNOON.
AT LEAST YOU CAN EMAIL ME AND LESLIE, WE WILL PICK ON YOU.
I HAVE YOUR CELL PHONE NUMBER.
NEED TO GET YOUR CELL PHONE NUMBER.
SO THE MAIN POINT OF GOING FIRST TO THE LAND USE TABLE IS TO KNOW THAT THE USE IS PERMITTED, WHICH WILL SHOW P UNDER THE ZONING CATEGORY OR IF IT'S PERMITTED WITH CONDITION, WHICH SHOWS L FOR LIMITED UNDER THE CONDITION, CAN OPEN THE CONDITION THAT SPEAKS TO, UH, PAPERWORK.
FOR EXAMPLE, UH, UNDER THE, UH, DOWNTOWN OR DISTRICT MAIN STREET, YOU CAN LOOK UP THE CONDITION.
CAN YOU JUST HOVER OVER ONE OF THE YEAH, IT'S GOOD.
PARKING, COMMERCIAL TRUCK PARKING LOT.
SO NO, WHEN YOU JUST HOVER OVER THE USE, IT GIVES YOU DEFINITION OF USE.
YES, YOU CAN CLICK ON THAT AND GET MORE INFORMATION.
UM, OR YOU CAN JUST KIND OF, UH, AGAIN, IF YOU CLICK ON THE CATEGORY ON THE, ALL THE WAY ON THE LEFT, SHOW YOU THAT OTHER SCREEN THAT LAMI SHOWED YOU, WHICH GIVES YOU A BROADER CATEGORY, BUT LISTS A BUNCH OF EXAMPLE USES UNDER THAT.
THAT ALSO GIVES US AS STAFF A, UH, THE AUTHORITY TO BASICALLY SAY, YEAH, MAYBE IT'S NOT ON THE LIST, BUT IT FITS IN THIS CATEGORY.
IT HAS THE SAME IMPACT AND THE SAME BASIC USE SOMETHING ELSE.
UM, WE'VE NOT HAD THAT ABILITY TO DO THAT BEFORE.
IT WAS, IF IT'S NOT ON THE LIST, YOU AIN'T ALLOWED.
SO NOW WE'RE ABLE TO KIND OF USE A LITTLE BIT AND FOR SOME REASON I'M STILL NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
AS THE DIRECTOR, I HAVE THE, THE ABILITY TO SAY, LET'S MINUTE STEM THERAPY.
AND AS MARTIN WAS SAYING, THERE IS A SECTION HERE FOR YOU THAT, UH, MR. WILL, UH, RELY ON.
SO, UM, HE KEY EXPERIMENT IS LIMITED OR CONDITION IN, UH, IS IT HAS TO BE MADE IN ORDER FOR THIS TYPE OF USE TO BE PERMIT IN THE, AND THAT'S NOT ALL.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE THE, UH, DISCUSSION EXPERIMENT SIMILAR TO YOU, WHAT WE HAD TODAY.
TONIGHT WE HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR ALL THIS TYPE OF THINGS,
SO WE CAN GO THROUGH THE LINK.
THERE ARE SOME, THERE ARE A FEW, UH, USES THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET, UH, TO APPLY FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT IN ORDER TO GET FOOD.
AND THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT GIVES CITY STAFF TO SOME CONDITIONS ON BUFFER YARD AND THE SETBACKS OR THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE, WHATEVER CONDITIONS.
AND, UH, IF YOU NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE SPECIAL CASE YOU HAVE HERE UNDER STANDARDS, YOU CAN GO TO THE SECTION.
ALSO, WE HAVE INFORMATION PROCEDURE YOU AND THE CRITERIA IS THIS SAY, UM, THAT THE USE DOES NOT SHOW ANYTHING.
AND, UM, IN GENERAL COMMERCIAL, UH, IT'S UM, SOMETHING THAT IS, SO YOU SEE THAT MOST OF THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS WERE NOT
IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN YOU CAN TALK TO A PLANNER.
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THERE IS A WAY TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM IF, UH, FROM SAY, UM, RESIDENTIAL TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL OR IF YOU WANT TO, UH, TO GET GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO BUILD THE HOUSE IN A GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT WHERE THE HOUSE IS NOT PERMITTED, YOU CAN DO THE CHANGE ALSO FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO, UH,FIRST THING WE DO FOR THE APP, GO TO THE, UM, USE.
AND IF YOU FIND THAT THE, THE USE IS PERMITTED, THEN YOU GO TWO UNDER HERE, MAIN STANDARD STANDARDS, SAY, UM, PRESIDENTIAL, THE MOST POPULAR ONE IS THE, UH, MOST RESIDENTIAL R WHICH NOW YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, IT USED TO BE SF TWO AND F1.
SO IT BECOMES NOW NEXT PRESIDENTIAL.
SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF HOW, UH, IN THE CITY AND SOME NOT HERE REFRESHED.
SO NORMALLY YOU WILL SEE COVERAGE PERCENTAGE, THE, UM, WITH, IN THERE, THERE ARE NUMBERS IN THERE THAT SHOWS YOU EXACTLY OVER HERE.
FOR SOME REASON, THIS, IT IS THIS ROOM.
OKAY? THERE'S, THERE'S GHOSTS IN THIS ROOM.
YEAH, IT THE, YOUR STANDARDS SHOULD BE FINEABLE.
YEAH, MAYBE IF YOU COULD PULL THE TOOLBAR OVER AT THE BOTTOM.
THERE'S A LITTLE SPACE POSSIBLY.
MARTIN, DO WE HAVE A LOT MORE? I NEED TO BAIL.
OKAY, WELL, I MEAN, YOU'RE WELCOME TO WHATEVER YOU NEED TO.
UM, I, I HAVE HELD YOU GUYS LONGER THAN I SAID I WOULD ALREADY.
SO IF YOU HAVE TIME TO STAY, GREAT.
IF NOT, I, SO, UM, AGAIN, ASK MY PHONE IF YOU HAVE TO GO.
ARE WE DOING ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES GOING OVER THIS? NO.
UM, WE'LL HAVE VIDEO AVAILABLE OF THIS ONLINE.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO GO BACK AND CHECK IT YOUR PEN, MAKE THAT, UH, CLICKABLE FOR YOU GUYS, TAKE IT.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MY WIFE IS CALLING ME, CAREFUL, PULL THIS BACK OVER.
MAYBE A LOT OF THAT INFORMATION.
NO, PUT IT, MINIMIZE IT AGAIN.
THINK IT'S ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE FOR THE 12.
IT'S REALLY UPSETTING TO HAVE A TOOL THAT, THAT ISN'T WORKING WHEN WE NEED IT TO.
AND THESE ARE SOME, UH, VERY HELPFUL TOOLS TO THE, UH, CERTAIN STANDARDS.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT SCREENING AND FACING, WHICH WE WOULD BE, UH, EVERYTHING, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THIS IF WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS BESIDE EACH OTHER.
SO IF IT'S THERE COMMERCIAL ADJACENT, TWO RESIDENTIAL, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT SCREENING AND FACING.
IF IT'S A FREEWAY COMMERCIAL, RECENT TO RESIDENTIAL, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT, UH, SITE THAN, SO DIVISION 3.4 WILL TAKE US TO, UH, SOME OF THESE REQUIRE.
UH, SO, UM, WE CLICK ON THIS LANDSCAPING.
IT GIVES US, UH, AN IDEA OF A BUFFER YARD BETWEEN THE, UH, SAY THIS GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND THAT.
SO HOPEFULLY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THAT YOU STARTED A LOGICAL SEWING PLACE AND THEN THE DOCUMENT ITSELF KIND OF LEADS YOU TO THE NEXT PLACE THAT YOU NEED TO BE AT.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE KIND OF COUNTING ON FOR PEOPLE WHO MAYBE ARE NOT AS VERSED IN THE CODE AS WE ARE, THAT WANT TO GO IN AND SEE, OKAY,
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YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS MY ZONING, I KNOW THESE ARE MY USES, AND THEN WHAT, SO HERE'S THE DIMENSIONS.HERE'S MY SETBACKS AND MY LOT SIZE AND MY, AND IT LEADS YOU TO, OH, I, UH, AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT PAGE IT SAYS I SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT THE BUFFER YARDS.
I SHOULD LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPING.
I SHOULD LOOK AT, UM, TREE PRESERVATION.
I SHOULD LOOK AT PARKING, WHATEVER THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE GONNA BE LISTED AT THE BOTTOM OF THE, THE FIRST MAP PAGE THAT LAME TRIED TO BRING UP AND WITH NOT LOADING.
UM, THE, UM, THAT ONE IS GOING TO GIVE YOU A LOT OF THAT RIGHT ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THAT.
YOU HAD IT IN, UH, I I THINK IT'S IN YOUR CHROME.
WAS IT THERE, THERE, THAT'S WHAT THAT, THAT, UM, THAT BROWSER'S THROWING ME OFF.
IT COULD BE THE RECORDING THAT'S THROWN, THAT'S MESSING IT UP.
UM, IS IT ONE OF THOSE TABS AT THE TOP? YEAH, YOU HIT THE, THE VIEW PRO, RIGHT? LET'S SEE IF IT CAME UP.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE BROWSER THAT'S IN THE PROBLEMS. SO, UM, WHAT THAT WOULD ORDINARILY BRING UP IS A LOT OF THAT STUFF THAT IS SUMMARIZED AT THE BOTTOM OF SOME OF THOSE OTHER PAGES, IT'LL BRING IT UP ON THE LEFT OF THAT.
YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO GO, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO KNOW WHERE TO FIND THESE THINGS.
YOU JUST CLICK THOSE LINKS AND IT TAKES YOU TO OUR, OUR OTHER, OUR OLD JS AND OUR OLD CODE.
WE'RE NOT LINKED IN SUCH A FASHION.
SO THIS IS, WE THINK THIS IS A, A BIG STEP FORWARD.
WE'RE WORKING ON SOME OTHER TOOLS AS WELL.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL FINISH THAT THIS YEAR OR NOT.
SO, UM, WE, WE LOOKED UP THE, UH, SOME OF THE, THE LINK THAT IT'S REGARD TO YOU AT THE END PAGE IF YOU'RE ON THE CATEGORY.
UH, THIS IS THE ONE RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL CO REQUIRE SIT, HEIGHT, BEVERAGE, AND, UH, THE SIZE OF THE LOCK.
AND THESE ARE SOME INSTALLATIONS DON'T COME TOO MUCH ON THE, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT, UH, IT'S NOT RELYING, UH, YEAH, REDEFINING.
UM, CAN WE MAYBE, UM, GO OVER THE FORM DISTRICT STANDARDS JUST A LITTLE BIT? I, I THINK, UM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT OUR GROUP HAS SEEN BEFORE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FORM BASED ZONING, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP TONIGHT.
'CAUSE THE J THREE ZONE THAT WE REZONED, THAT THE PROPERTIES INTO FREEWAY COMMERCIAL FROM THERE, THOSE ARE PART OF A FORM-BASED ZONING DISTRICT.
AND WE KIND OF WANT YOU TO HAVE A, A BROAD IDEA OF WHAT THAT MEANS.
IT'S STILL ZONING DISTRICT, BUT IT'S DESIGNED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
MAYBE LET THAT, SO, UH, THERE REMAINS, UM, SOME REQUIREMENTS TO BE CLOSER TO THE, THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK.
YOU SEE THE BUILDINGS IS VERY CLOSE TO THE SIDEWALK, THE REQUIREMENT FOR PARKING AND TREES AT THE REAR OR ON THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO, AND ALSO SOME REQUIREMENT APPLICATION.
WHY DOES IT, IT'S NOT THE, WHY DOES IT DO THAT THEN? WHY DOES IT DO THAT? BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE, UH, PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AND UM, AND, UM, SURROUNDED BY, UM, UH, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ORIENTED TOWARDS, UH, STREETS CLOSER TO THE STREET, CLOSER TO THE SIDEWALKS.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO, TO BRING THOSE DEVELOPMENT CLOSER, VERY CLOSE TO THE SIDEWALK.
SO WITH THE, IN SOME CASES WITH THE NERVOUS FIELD.
IN SOME CASES WE ALLOW SOME ENCOURAGEMENT ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
UH, HOWEVER, THIS IS, UH, STILL UNDER DISCUSSION, UH, WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
SO, UH, THERE MAY BE SOME CHANGES TO, TO THIS, UH, FOR THE TECHNICAL, UH, ISSUE OF HAVING SOME, BUT WE'LL KEEP YOU, UH, ON THIS.
UM, AGAIN, THERE ARE SOME, UM, ELEMENTS THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE FRONT.
SOME ELEMENTS NEED TO BE, UH, ON THE CORNER SIDE, UH, OF THE FRONTAGE.
AND, AND IT REALLY, IT KIND OF SPEAKS TO HOW THE BUILDINGS, NOT ONLY HOW THE BUILDINGS FIT TOGETHER, IT'S, IT'S MORE FLEXIBLE ON USES,
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BUT A LITTLE STRICTER ON WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, HOW THE BUILDINGS FIT TOGETHER, HOW, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE OUTDOOR SPACES THAT WE'RE CREATING BY HAVING BUILDINGS IN A CERTAIN PATTERN.IT REALLY SPEAKS TO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
IT IS ABOUT EXPERIENCE, IT'S ABOUT PLACEMAKING, IT'S ABOUT, UM, CHARACTER.
SOME THINGS THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF IN BAYTOWN OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE OLD DOWNTOWN, WHICH HAS LOST ITS LUSTER TO BE HONEST.
IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT'S GOT SOME BONES, BUT WE KINDA LOST SIGHT OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT IT COULD BE THIS SPECIFICALLY, THERE IS A DOWNTOWN ARTS DISTRICT THAT IS BROKEN UP INTO THREE SUB-DISTRICTS, DEPENDING ON WHERE IT'S AT.
IF YOU'RE A ALONG WEST TEXAS, THEN WE WANT A TRUE DOWNTOWN FIELD.
NOW WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, AGAIN, THE BUILDINGS ARE, ARE ALREADY PUSHED RIGHT UP TO THE SIDEWALK.
UM, THERE WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME EXCEPTIONS FOR UTILITIES 'CAUSE THERE ARE NO ALLEYS BACK THERE.
HOW DO YOU GET YOUR, UM, WATER CONNECTIONS AND THOSE OTHER TYPES OF THINGS? THOSE UTILITIES WOULD BE ON THE BACK OF YOUR BUILDING FINAL ALLEY.
SO YOU GOTTA PUT 'EM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
ALRIGHT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT DOES THAT END UP LOOKING LIKE? WHAT, UM, UH, AND THEN, AND THEN YOU GO A LITTLE BIT, BUT ALSO MAYBE YOU HAVE, AGAIN, YOU'RE AN OLDER DOWNTOWN, MAYBE YOU HAVE, UH, A LIVED WORK TYPE BUILDING WHERE YOU HAVE AN OFFICE DOWNSTAIRS, STOREFRONT UPSTAIRS IS AN APARTMENT.
UM, SO MAYBE I, I RENT THE WHOLE THING AND I WORK DOWNSTAIRS AND AT NIGHT I JUST GO UPSTAIRS AND LIVE.
AND THEN YOU GO OUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
IT'S MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL BASE, BUT STILL ALLOWS FOR SOME OF THOSE FLEXIBLE USE AND YOU GO OUT A LITTLE FURTHER.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF HOW THAT'S DESIGNED TO WORK.
IF YOU THINK OF ANY OLDER DOWNTOWNS THAT YOU'VE BEEN IN, SAY LIKE ON THE EAST COAST SOMEWHERE, UM, WHERE THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY KIND OF WHERE THAT THAT DESIGN IS, IS SPEAKING TO.
UM, THE SAN JACINTO DISTRICT ALSO HAS THREE BREAKDOWNS DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE LOCATED.
AND IT, IT DICTATES WHERE THE BUILDING, WHERE THE BUILDING FACES GOTTA FACE THE ROAD.
UM, HOW FAR CAN IT, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO BE 30 FEET FROM THE, FROM THE SIDEWALK.
WE WANT YOU TO BE ON THE SIDEWALK.
WELL, THAT, THAT'S ALL GREEN SPACE OUT THERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL FROM SCRATCH.
SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE SOMETHING OUT THERE IF IT'S DONE RIGHT, AND THAT, THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS ZONE IS DESIGNED TO DO IN A NUTSHELL.
THAT'S SUPER HIGH LEVEL, BUT I WANTED YOU GUYS TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING.
WHEN WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT FORM BASED CODE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AGAIN, IT DOES A LOT OF THE SAME STUFF THAT OUR NORMAL LI ZONING DOES.
BUT THIS IS, UH, IT GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE FOCUSED TO IT.
SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO HIJACK YOU OTHER EMPLOYEE.
NO, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT.
JUST ONE THING, TALKING ABOUT RYAN THAT, UM, MAIN STREET HAS, I DID NOT MENTION RYAN, HE'S DEAD TO ME
THEY'VE GOT A NICE LITTLE, UM, DOWNTOWN LITTLE FILL.
THEY'RE NOT BEING, WE GOT NEXT
DONNA, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THEIR ZONING.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THEIR ZONING, UM, THEIR ZONING CODE.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WAS CREATED AND I'M, I HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND THESE PARTS LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW IF, HAS IT ALWAYS BEEN NIGHTS DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, SOMEBODY THAT MANAGES THAT.
BUT, BUT TO BE FAIR, THEY DON'T HAVE THE ISSUES I THINK WITH UTILITIES AND WHATNOT THAT WE HAVE.
I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S DOWNTOWN.
BUT I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S SO ACTIVELY DEVELOPING RIGHT NOW.
LIKE WE HAVE A LARGE STREET, A VERY LARGE PARKING UTILITY.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE UTILITY ISSUES, SO BE FAIR.
SO DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION BY THE WAY, IF YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW RACHEL.
RACHEL IS OUR, ONE OF OUR NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SPECIALISTS.
I WANTED TO, SINCE YOU GUYS PART OFF THE TOPIC.
UM, THE REASON WHY, UM, HAS A MORE ROBUST, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE SIZE OF THE OVERALL CITY AND ALSO THE SURROUNDING AREA.
ONE THING THAT FROM AN ECON DEV STANDPOINT, LIKE PLANNING AND ZONING, DOES THE MAKING IT LOOK PRETTY AS HE'S, THEY BUILT A FOOTPRINT FOR US.
IT'S OUR DEPARTMENT'S JOB TO FILL IT.
AND THE REASON IS THAT MOST PEOPLE OFTEN DON'T REALIZE THAT RETAIL FOLLOWS, UM, RESIDENTIAL DENSITY.
SO NO BUSINESS IS GOING TO GO INTO SOMEWHERE IF WE DON'T HAVE THE HOUSING TO SUPPORT IT.
WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, AND FROM AN INVESTMENT STANDPOINT, WHEN I'M TALKING TO A BUSINESS AND SAY LIKE, HEY, I'VE GOT THIS DOWNTOWN AREA THAT I'D LIKE YOU TO COME INTO, UM, THE FIRST THING THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT WHEN THEY, WHETHER THEY WILL, THEY DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT TO GO OR NOT, IS HOW MANY PEOPLE, THEY LOOK AT A RADIUS OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE
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AROUND THAT SURROUNDING AREA.AND SO, 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE HOUSING IN THAT SUPPORTED AREA, EVEN THOUGH WE CAN'T, THAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING THE ISSUES WITH, IMAGINE WITH THE WEST TEXAS WHERE IT IS AND KNOWING THAT DV IS THE NEXT STREET OVER.
HOW GREAT WOULD THAT BE TO HAVE TOWN HOME ALL ALONG? DV IT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.
I MEAN, IT WOULD SOLVE LIKE THE FASTEST WAY.
I SAY THAT, I SAY THAT TO SAY THAT THE NEW CODE ACTUALLY ENCOURAGES THAT SORT OF THING TO HAPPEN.
IT IS THE FOCUS OF, I MEAN, IN A PERFECT WORLD, YOU HAVE THE COMBINATION, YOU HAVE BUSINESSES, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CORPORATE BUSINESSES, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY WALMART OR HAVE A, THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE MUCH MAIN STREET.
IT'S ALL LOCALLY OWNED, BUSINESS OWNED, BUT ARE OWNED.
AND YOU GUYS PROBABLY KNOW THAT, I MEAN, OSCARS VARY DIIV DOWN THERE.
YOU GUYS OWN SEVERAL PROPERTIES DOWN THERE.
DONNA BUSINESS, I KNOW DONNA HAS BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN, IN DOWNTOWN.
AND IN TERMS OF, UM, I DON'T WANT TO KEEP EVERYBODY HERE ALL NIGHT.
SO I I JUST WANTED TO INTERJECT.
SO I'M, AND I'M GONNA STOP INTERRUPTING LAIA, I'M GONNA GIVE HER FIVE MORE MINUTES AND THEN WE NEED TO LET EVERYBODY GO HOME.
IF YOU, UH, WISH TO LOOK INTO THE MEASUREMENT OF THINGS AND YOU DUNNO HOW TO, HOW WE MEASURE IT ACCORDING TO THE AMOUNT THE, UM, IS HERE, THE HEIGHT IS TO THE BIG POINT OF THE ROOF.
IF YOU HAVE A VEHICLE, UH, THE ANNOUNCED, UH, SECTION IS, UH, ON ESTABLISHED AREA.
UH, IF THEY, UH, ESTABLISHED AREA HAS, UM, DIFFERENT, UH, SAY SETBACKS THAN, UH, THE THE NEW PERSON COMING IN.
AND WE WE'RE NOT GONNA ASK HIM TO DO, UH, AS THE CODE IS SAYING, SAY YOU HAVE TO BE 45 FEET FROM THE, FROM THE STREET, UH, OR 15 FEET FROM THE FRONT OF THE FRONT LINE, WE'LL GOING, WE CAN GIVE THEM ALLOWANCES BASED ON THE AVERAGE OF THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, ALL THIS ESTABLISHED.
THAT'S A GOOD THING THAT IT'S, UH, ADDED TO THIS CODE THAT WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, THE, UH, SUBDIVISION DESIGN, IF YOU PLAN TO SUBDIVIDE THE, THE, UH, SUBDIVISION, UH, DESIGN, IT'S, UH, WE KNOW THAT THE CITY OF HAS, UH, AUTHORITY OPEN THE PLANS AND SUBDIVISION IN WITHIN THE CITY.
AND, AND YOU SAW SOME OF THE EXAMPLES OF SEPARATION, UM, DEPENDING ON WHICH TYPE YOU DECIDE TO DO, THERE ARE DIFFERENT REGULATIONS REGARDING THAT TYPE.
SO IF YOU'RE WILLING TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S MORE OF A CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT TYPE, YOU GET SMALLER LOTS AND HIGHER DENSITY AND YOU ARE, YOU ARE PROVIDING, UM, SMALLER YARDS, BUT YOU'RE PROVIDING MORE COMMON OPEN SPACE TO MAKE THINGS LIKE THAT.
ALSO KNOW THAT, UH, FOR CLUSTER, IT'S ONLY PERMITTED UNDER THE SR, UH, CONVENTIONAL WITH THE MR. IT'S, UH, IT'S ONLY CONVENTIONAL.
UH, BUT WE'LL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IN THE SECTION DATA.
UM, THE FIVE, THE IS ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL CONVENT.
UM, AS MARTIN MENTIONED, ARTICLE SIX IS VERY EFFECTIVE FOR, UH, FOR ALL THE CITY ONLY ADJUSTMENT CITY ENGINEER, WHICH IS US AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS AS WELL.
THE, UM, ARTICLES THAT TALKS ABOUT THE PROCEDURE, UM, AND, AND WHAT THE CRITERIA THAT GOES INTO THE REPORT THAT YOU'RE READING.
AND IN THIS CASE, THIS IS A FEE.
THERE IS A FEE THAT YOU CAN USE TO CALCULATE YOUR PERMIT FEES.
THERE ARE SOME COMMON CRITERIA HERE THAT THESE ARE SOME OF THE CRITERIA THAT YOU SEE THERE IN OUR REPORTS
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THAT IS LISTED HERE FOR, UM, ZONING AMENDMENTS, AMENDMENT.YOU HAVE TO CRITERIA, UH, FOR CRITERIA ADDITION TO OTHER CRITERIA LISTED UNDER SPECIFICATIONS, SOME OF THE PROCEDURES ABOUT THE DECISION PROCEDURE AS WELL.
BE, UH, THE LAST ONE I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT IS THE, SO AN NONCONFORMING USE, UH, OR STRUCTURE IS A STRUCTURE OF USE THAT EXISTED PRIOR TO THE PRODUCTION OF THE HOME.
UM, WE ALLOW THOSE TO STAY, UH, BUT NOT TO UNLESS THEY SUBMIT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND WE HAVE A, UH, THE USE TO CONVERT IT TO A CONFORMING USE, UH, SIMILAR TO THE CASE WE DISCUSS TODAY ALSO.
THEN A CONVERSION OF EXISTING USE TO A CONFORMING USE IS, UH,
UM, OTHER, UH, ROUTES AS WELL CAN BE USED.
WHEN WE SAY STRUCTURE, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, ZONING STANDARDS, THE SETBACKS.
SO THIS BUILDING IS APPROACHING ALL TODAY IS ZONING STANDARDS.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BUILDING STANDARDS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ZONING STANDARD AND DEFINITION PORTION OF IT.
I GUESS THE, UH, ENFORCEMENT, THIS IS REINFORCEMENT.
THIS IS VERY HELPFUL FOR, FOR US TO USE IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UM, A DEFINITION OF SOMETHING, LET'S SAY.
SO GO UNDER THE, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE, UM, WEDDING A SIMILAR TO MANUFACTURED.
THAT'D BE MANUFACTURED ON, I SEE IT MANUFACTURED HOME.
SO WHAT, WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE ABOUT THAT, THIS IS DIFFERENT IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE OLD CODE, HOW THIS IS DIFFERENT IS IN THE OLD CODE THERE WERE DEFINITIONS THAT WERE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CODE.
WE HAD A DEFINITION SECTION, BUT YOU DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE GONNA FIND IT THERE OR YOU'D HAVE TO DO A SEARCH TO FIND IT SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CODE.
THIS IS DESIGNED TO TAKE EVERYTHING IN, ADD A BUNCH OF STUFF THAT WASN'T THERE, ADD STUFF THAT WE STAFF HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT SAYING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS.
UM, WE, WE MADE A A THOUSAND CHANGES TO THIS ALONG THE, ALONG THE PATH OF GETTING THIS THING DONE.
SO THIS AND JUST HAVING THE ABILITY TO KIND OF EXPAND THOSE AND FIND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND THEN CLICK ON IT AND GET THE, IT'S JUST, IT'S SO MUCH EASIER TO USE AND SO MUCH MORE HELPFUL.
UM, WE WENT OUT OF OUR WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE DEFINITIONS, UM, REGULATIONS, THEY ONLY TELL YOU WHAT IT IS.
THEY DON'T TELL YOU HOW TO USE IT OR WHAT IS ALLOWED OR NOT ALLOWED.
SO YOU HAVE TO GO BACK IN FRONT.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY ZONING COACHING PREVIOUSLY.
IN CERTAIN CASES YOU'LL FIND SOME, UH, LINK THAT DOES NOT ACTUALLY REFLECT THE, UH, THE ACTUAL UH OH YEAH.
IF YOU FIND ANYTHING LIKE THAT, LET US KNOW BECAUSE WE'RE CHANGING THOSE AS WE FIND THERE'S A TON OF INFO.
SO IF WE FIND THEM, WE'LL CHANGE THEM.
SO WHEN, WHEN YOU EVER OVER SOMETHING AND IT DOESN'T REALLY REFLECT THE DEFINITION OF THAT, UH, WORDS OR, OR DOCUMENTS, THEN KNOW WE FIX IT.
STILL WORKING ON FIXING
UM, WE'VE HELD YOU GUYS HERE OVER THE TIME AND I APOLOGIZE, BUT I, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR STAYING.
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO WHAT WE HAVE.
UM, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU WANT MORE OF THIS, LET US KNOW.
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WE'LL PROVIDE MORE.IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC INTERESTS JUST FOR YOU OR THINGS THAT YOU THINK MIGHT BE GOOD FOR THE BOARD TO KNOW, UM, LET US KNOW THAT WE'LL EITHER PROVIDE THAT JUST TO YOU OR TO THE ENTIRE BOARD OR HOWEVER YOU, SO, UM, THE INTEREST OF LETTING YOU GUYS GO HOME AND HAVE DINNER.
'CAUSE THAT FRUIT PROBABLY ISN'T GONNA HOLD COMFORTABLE.
OH, I ATE ENOUGH OF IT AT THIS POINT.
AND AGAIN, I AM REALLY UNHAPPY TO GO THE, UH, THE INTERNET AND YEAH.
'CAUSE I WENT BACK TO MY DESK AND ALL THE RECORDING.