Oct 15, 2024 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION

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CALL THE B TO ORDER.

UH, I NOW CALL THE, UH, OCTOBER FIFTEEN, TWENTY FOUR, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING.

COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER AND ASK THAT LESLIE TO CALL ROLL OSCAR CHOPPA.

AND DONNA WINFREY HERE.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A QUORUM.

ALRIGHT, THE FIRST THING I'M GONNA, UH, GO OVER IS THE CITIZEN COMMENTS, UH, SECTION OF THIS MEETING.

UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE CITIZEN COMMENTS IS TO GIVE CITIZENS THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS THEIR VIEWS.

ANYONE DESIRING TO SPEAK SHOULD HAVE SIGNED UP, UH, ON THE PERIPHERAL LIST AT THE FRONT OF THE FOYER.

EACH CITIZEN SHOULD GIVE THEIR OWN NA, THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS, UH, TO PROVIDE A PROPER RECORD.

THE RULES ALLOW FOR EACH PERSON ONE MINUTE TO SPEAK.

A CITIZEN MAY PASS THEIR TIME TO ANOTHER PERSON TO WHO REQUESTED TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

HOWEVER, NO CITIZEN'S MARK, UH, REMARKS SHALL EXCEED MORE THAN THREE MINUTES.

UH, THREE, ONE OR THREE, ONE, SORRY.

THE ONE OR ONE THREE MINUTE LIMIT MAY BE EXTENDED BY A MAJORITY VOTE BY THE COMMISSION.

I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO BE AS CONCISE AS POSSIBLE.

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THE COMMISSION CANNOT DISCUSS OR DELAY DELIBERATE ITEMS FOR WHICH PUBLIC NOTICE HAS NOT BEEN GIVEN ON THIS AGENDA.

ISSUES THAT CANNOT BE PREFERRED TO THE ADMINISTRATION FOR ACTION MAY BE CONSIDERED FOR PLACEMENT ON THE AGENDA OF FUTURE, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, MEETINGS.

ANYONE ELSE, UH, WISHES TO SEEK, UH, TO SPEAK? LET US KNOW.

DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY? TIM, CAN YOU CHECK AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYBODY SIGNED UP? CAN YOU SIGN OUT HERE? THANK YOU.

IT APPEARS THAT NO ONE HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM.

PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

SO, UH, THERE BEING NO ONE, UH, DESIRE TO SPEAK ON THIS.

IT CONCLUDES THE CITIZEN'S COMMENT PORTION OF THE AGENDA.

UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM

[a. Consider approving the meeting minutes of the September 17, 2024, Planning and Zoning Commission regular meeting.]

TWO A OR ITEM TWO.

RATHER, UH, CONSIDER APPROVING THE MEETING MINUTES FOR SEPTEMBER 27TH, 2024.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR? A.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

ALRIGHT, I'LL READ THE, UH, FOLLOWING ONE TIME, AND IT APPLIES TO ALL PUBLIC MERIT, UH, HEARINGS.

THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE HELD FOR THE PURPOSE OF GIVING ALL INTERESTED PERSONS THE RIGHT TO SPEAK AND BE HEARD.

EVERYONE DESIRING TO SPEAK AT TODAY'S, UH, HEARING, SH HEARING.

SHOULD HAVE SIGNED THE APPROPRIATE LIST AS THIS LIST WILL PROVIDE THE SPEAKING ORDER FOR THE HEARING.

EACH SPEAKER SHALL GIVE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS AND PROVIDE A PROPER RECORD OF THIS HEARING THE RULES.

I'LL EACH P ALLOW EACH SPEAKER TO HAVE THREE MINUTES TO PRESENT INFORMATION.

HOWEVER, I ENCOURAGE YOU EVERYONE TO BE CONCISE.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE IN A GROUP YOU WISHING TO, YOUR WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD AS THE, AND THE SAME SUBJECT.

PLEASE CAN SELECT A SP PLEASE SELECT, SELECT A SPOKESPERSON TO PRESENT THE INFORMATION.

IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET DIRECT THEM TO ME.

[a. Conduct a public hearing and consider making a recommendation concerning a request to amend the official zoning map to rezone approximately 0.58 acres at 602 Danubina Street from Neighborhood Commercial (NC) to a Mixed Residential (MR) Zoning District. ]

UH, ZONING.

CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER MAKING RECOMMENDATION CONCERNING A REQUEST TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO RESIGN APPROXIMATELY 0.58 ACRES AT 60 0 6 0 2 DINA STREET FROM NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL NC TO MEXICO RESIDENTIAL MR. ZONING DISTRICT.

I'LL OPEN THIS, I'LL OPEN UP THIS PUBLIC HEARING AT 5:08 PM AND I'LL ASK STAFF TO PLEASE SUMMARIZE, SUMMARIZE THE ITEM.

THE SUBJECT SIDE, APPROXIMATELY 0.58 ACRES, IS LOCATED AT 6 0 2.

SO, AND IT DOES LOOK LIKE WE HAVE SOME FOLKS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

COPY THE APPLICANT.

SO, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND THE COMMISSIONERS TIM CHI HERE WITH THE CITY'S PLANNING AND THE ZONING SERVICES.

BEFORE YOUR THIS EVENING, WE HAVE A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REQUEST.

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DINA, THIS, IT IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF DINA AND THE NORTH OF EAST JAMES AVENUE.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE VICINITY MAP, THE SURROUNDING AREA CONTAINS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS, CONDOMINIUMS, APARTMENTS, OR CHURCH, AND THE VACANT LAND.

THE SUBJECT SIDE IS CURRENTLY ZONED NC.

THE SURROUNDING AREA ARE ZONED RESIDENTIAL BASED ON BOTH CURRENT ZONING AND THE CITY'S FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A REZONING OF THE SITE FROM NC TO MR. NC, WHICH IS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL TO MR. MIXED RESIDENTIAL.

DOING SO, WILL CHANGE LEASE ISOLATED NON-RESIDENTIAL ZONED PARCEL IN THE AREA INTO A RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PARCEL.

HERE IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

AS YOU CAN SEE, BOTH THE SUBJECT SIDE AREA AND THE SURROUNDING AREA THERE ARE ZONED AS RESIDENTIALS STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? I I, REMIND ME WHAT THIS PROPERTY, WHAT THEY INTENDED TO DO OF THIS PROPERTY.

THE APPLICANT, THEY WANT TO BUILD A SINGLE FRAME RESIDENTIAL HOUSE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THAT PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED? NO.

THERE'S SOMEBODY SIGNED UP.

YEAH, WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE.

WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE SIGNED UP.

SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE NO, GO AHEAD AND CALL THEM UP.

UH, THE FIRST PERSON WILL, UH, CITIZEN WILL HAVE COME UP IS AMAYA AND AMBER.

THAT'S ON THE WRONG SHEET.

HE NEEDS TO, CAN YOU TRANSLATE FOR HIM? UM, SO HIS NAME IS EMMAN AHMED.

THIS IS FOR 6 0 2 DOWNA STREET.

UM, WE HAD, HE HAS BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY A WHILE BACK AND HE'S WORKING ON BUILDING A NEW RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

BUT THE ONLY OBSTACLE IS IT BEING COMMERCIAL AND NOT RESIDENTIAL, HE WANTS, UM, TO KIND OF LIKE UNITE OUR FAMILY BY BUILDING THIS FAMILY HOME ON IT.

AND THAT WOULD HELP US A LOT.

BUT THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT IT'S COMMERCIAL.

SO THAT'S WHY HE WOULD LIKE TO CONVERT IT TO RESIDENTIAL AND CONTINUE BUILDING THIS FAMILY HOME.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? NO, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, THE NEXT CITIZEN ON THE LIST IS, UH, ANNETTE LER.

MY NAME IS ANNETTE LER.

I LIVE AT 700 DANINA.

UH, MY QUESTION HAD TO DO WITH, AND HE ANSWERED THE QUESTION, UH, WE WERE CURIOUS BECAUSE IT SAID UNDER FUTURE LAND USE PLAN MIXED DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

AND WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT, BUT HE'S CLEARED THAT UP SAYING THAT HE PLANS ON BUILDING A RESIDENTIAL HOME.

SO WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? NO.

YOU LIKE TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL? SECOND.

ALRIGHT.

WITH NO ELSE, UH, DESIRE TO SPEAK, I'LL CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING AT 5:13 PM

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SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ANY OPPOSED? NO MOTION CARRIES.

I THANK YOU.

B, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION CONCERNING A REQUEST TO REM REMAIND AN OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO RESOUND APPROXIMATELY 4.14 ACRES AT 65 11 NORTH STATE, HAWAII, HAWAII HIGH HIGHWAY 1 46.

ITEM, UH,

[b. Conduct a public hearing and consider making a recommendation concerning a request to amend the official zoning map to rezone approximately 4.14 acres at 6511 North State Highway 146 (N SH 146) from General Commercial (GC) to a Mixed Residential (MR) Zoning District.]

UH, NOT TO BE MISTAKEN WITH HAWAII , UH, TOO BAD.

UH, NORTH SOUTH, UH, HIGHWAY 1 46 FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO A MIXED RESIDENTIAL MR. UH, ZONING DISTRICT.

I'LL OPEN THIS HEARING, UH, OPEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK US AFTER TO SUMMARIZE THE E ITEM.

HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? THANK YOU.

AND WE DO HAVE ONE CITIZEN SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS LAMIA SALEM, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

THIS, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS, UM, LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF, UH, STATE HIGHWAY 1 46 SOUTH OF I 10 AND SOUTH OF CRYSTAL BOULEVARD.

IT'S, UH, APPROXIMATELY 4.4 0.4, UH, FOUR POINT 14 ACRES OF LAND.

AND THIS IS THE SURROUNDING, UM, USES, UM, ON, UH, ALONG HIGHWAY 1 46.

UM, IT'S PART OF THE BIG SUBDIVISION.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS PART OF THE BIG SUBDIVISION OF PALM ROYAL ESTATES, UH, SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS, UH, WHERE THE MOUSE IS, UH, IS GOING.

THE LARGER PIECE OF PROPERTY IS 19 ACRES.

AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, FOR THE REZONE IS ONLY FOUR POINT 14 ACRES.

AND IT'S THE, THE PROPERTY FRONTING, UH, 1 46.

THIS IS THE ADJACENT, UH, NEWLY CONSTRUCTED DWELLING UNITS ON, UH, PALM ROYAL ESTATE SUBDIVISION.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS VACANT AND UNDEVELOPED.

AND, UH, 2018 THE UM, THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE LARGER PROPERTY WAS REZONED FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL SF TWO.

CURRENTLY IT'S MR. MIXED RESIDENTIAL AND THE, UM, THE FRONTAGE TO RESERVES NORTH AND SOUTH OF PALM ROYAL DRIVE WAS STAYED, UH, KEPT AS GENERAL COMMERCIAL FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

THE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND ITS SURROUNDING PROPERTIES FOR LOW DENSITY.

THE RESIDENTIAL.

AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REASON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO, UH, RESIDENTIAL MR TO CREATE SEVEN RESIDENTIAL LOTS, FIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF PALM ROYAL DRIVE, AND TWO ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF PALM ROYAL DRIVE.

THIS WILL ELIMINATE ACCESS POINTS FROM, UH, STATE HIGHWAY 1 1 46.

IF THIS WAS REMAIN, UH, GENERAL COMMERCIAL, IT WOULD'VE, UH, NEEDED AN ACCESS POINT FROM THE, UM, FROM 1 46 ON THE NORTH SIDE AS WELL AS ACCESS POINT TO THE SOUTH PORTION OF THIS RESERVE.

AND, UM, IN FACT, THIS LOT THAT THEY, UM, THEY DESIGNATE AS LOT SIX IS, UH, IS VERY TIGHT FOR A GENERAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, UH, OF THE REZONE FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO MR. RESIDENTIAL.

DON'T HAVE, UM, THEY JUST ERECTED SOME CONCRETE BARRIERS IN THE MEDIAN THAT MAKES IT VERY, UM, HARD FOR US TO ENTER A HIGHWAY BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A SHORT DISTANCE TO STOP TO ACTUALLY GET IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ONE CITIZEN SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THE SUBJECT.

UM, MADELINE RUDO.

I RIGHT.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS MADELINE RDO.

I AM A MEMBER OF THE PALMERO COMMITTEE, UH, COMMUNITY.

AND I LIVE IN A HOME ADJACENT TO ONE OF THE RESERVE AREAS.

UM, I BELIEVE I SPEAK FOR ALL OF THE PALM ROYAL COMMUNITY WHEN I SAY THAT WE ARE NOT AGAINST HAVING A RESIDENTIAL, UM, REZONING.

UM, WE ARE ALREADY FACING SOME ISSUES AT THE ENTRANCE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, SUCH AS LOW, UM, ILLUMINATION.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY STREETLIGHTS, WE

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SO I BELIEVE IF YOU WERE TO LEAVE THIS COMMERCIALLY ZONED, IT WOULD FURTHER FRUSTRATE THE TRAFFIC OPERATIONS THAT ARE ALREADY, UH, THAT WE ALREADY FACE ENTERING AND EXITING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.

THANK YOU RHONDA.

UH, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE, UH, TO SPEAK, SO IF NO ONE ELSE DESIRE TO SPEAK, I'LL CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, ACTUALLY, ANY, UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? NO.

ALRIGHT.

WELL THEN I'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING AT 5:19 PM NEED A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

OPPOSED? I WILL BE ABSTAINING FROM VOTE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

ALRIGHT, ITEM THREE

[c. Conduct a public hearing and consider making a recommendation concerning a request to amend the official zoning map to rezone approximately 28.55 acres at 950 State Highway 146 Business (SH 146 BS) from Freeway Commercial (FC) to a Planned Unit Development (PUD) Zoning District.]

CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON AND CONSIDER MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS CONCERNING A REQUEST TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO ZONE 28.55 ACRES AT NINE 50 STATE HIGHWAY 1 46 BUSINESS, UH, SOUTH HIGHWAY 1 56 BS FROM, UH, FREE FREEWAY COMMERCIAL FC TO A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT POD ZONING DISTRICT.

THIS, UH, PUBLIC HEARING WAS COMPLETED LAST MEET AS MS MONTHS.

SO I'M GOING TO ASK THE STAFF TO SUM TO SUMMARIZE THIS ITEM.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ONE PERSON SIGN TO SPEAK UP.

THIS ITEM WAS, UH, TABLED LAST, UH, PNZ MEETING FOR, UH, CERTAIN CONCERNS FROM THE COMMISSIONER AS WELL AS ONE OF THE RESIDENTS.

UH, UNFORTUNATELY THE, UM, ONLY AUDIO WAS RECORDED FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, MEETING LAST MONTH.

SO I WILL GO OVER THE SLIDES.

UH, REAL QUICK TO, UH, AS A REFRESHER FOR EVERYONE.

THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

IT'S, UH, LOCATED, UM, NORTH OF, UH, STATE HIGHWAY 1 46 BUSINESS.

AND ON THE EAST SIDE IS 99.

AND UM, ON THE NORTH SIDE IS SOUTH ALEXANDER DRIVE AND SOUTH ALEXANDER DRIVE.

HERE.

THIS PROPERTY WAS, UH, IT IS A TEXT DOT, UM, PROPERTY.

UM, AND ON THE WEST SIDE IT'S A RAILROAD .

THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED FREEWAY COMMERCIAL.

AND ON THE, UH, FUTURE LAND USE MAP, IT IS KNOWN LARGE SCALE COMMERCIAL.

UH, THE PROPOSAL IS TO HAVE ONE WAREHOUSE WITH 142,000 SQUARE FEET AND FOUR CONTRACTORS SHOP WITH EACH 707,500 SQUARE FEET.

UH, ACCESS WILL BE PROVIDED FOR TRUCK MOVEMENT FROM, UH, STATE ONE FOUR STATE HIGHWAY 1 46 ONLY.

THE, UH, THE OTHER, UH, PROPOSED ACCESS IS FOR VEHICLE, UH, FOR PASSENGER VEHICLES ONLY.

AND IT'S DESIGNED TO, UM, TO, UM, TO DETER, UH, TRUCKS, UH, FROM COMING THIS WAY.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO HAVE SCREENING, UH, IT'S CONTAINS EXISTING, UH, UH, VEGETATION ON SITE AS WELL AS NEW STREET SCAPING.

THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO HAVE A SIDEWALK ALONG, UH, SOUTH ALEXANDER.

AND THAT'S THE, UM, THE, THE STREET SCAPE AND LANDSCAPE PLANE.

THESE ARE, UM, THIS IS THE, UM, THE ELEVATION THAT WILL FACE SOUTH ALEXANDER DRIVE.

IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY ACTIVITIES OR BAY DOORS.

AND THE OTHER SIDE IS THE ELEVATION WHERE, UM, THE ACTIVITIES FOR THE WAREHOUSE IS GOING TO BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM FREEWAY COMMERCIAL TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

PUD AND STAFF, UH, PRESENTED SOME CONDITIONS BASED ON THE SITE PLAN PROPOSED AND, UH, BASED ON GOOD, UH, PLANNING PRACTICE, UH, TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION LAST MONTH.

CAN YOU, CAN YOU GO BACK FOR REAL QUICK? YES.

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HOW WE CAN MITIGATE THOSE.

WOULD, WOULD YOU LIKE STAFF TO REVIEW THOSE? YES, PLEASE, PLEASE.

SO, UM, AS WE MENTIONED IN THE, IN THE SITE PLAN, IT'S UH, FOUR 7,500 SQUARE FEET CONTRACTOR SHOP WITH OUTDOOR STORAGE AND ONE WAREHOUSE BUILDING WITH 142,000 SQUARE FEET IN BUILDING AREA.

A 24 FOOT WHITE PASSENGER VEHICLE ONLY ACCESS FROM SOUTH ALEXANDER DRIVE AND TWO 30 FOOT WIDE TRUCK ACCESS POINTS FROM SOUTH STATE HIGHWAY 1 46 BUSINESS.

A MINIMUM OF FIVE FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK ALONG SOUTH ALEXANDER DRIVE WILL BE PROVIDED AS PART OF THE EXTENSIVE SCREENING, UM, OF ACTIVITIES ON SITE, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO HAVE A 30 FOOT WIDE BUFFER ALONG SOUTH ALEXANDER DRIVE THAT PRESERVES EXISTING VEGETATION ALONG WITH, UM, ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE AND ADD INTERNAL THREE SCAPING WAREHOUSE ACTIVITIES.

AND BAY DOORS ARE ORIENTED TO TOWARDS THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING NORTH OF, UH, ALEXANDER DRIVE.

ARCHITECTURAL ARTICULATION AND DURABLE EXTERIOR MATERIALS FOR ALL PROPOSED BUILDING WILL BE PROVIDED AND ALSO TO DETENTION PONDS WILL BE PROVIDED TO SERVE STORM STORMWATER NEEDS ON SITE.

THIS IS ALL ALONG WITH THE CLEANUP OF THE SITE.

THIS IS THE CONTAMINATED SITE AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DO THE CLEANUP OF THE SITE.

SO WHAT WE HEARD FROM PNZ LAST UH, MONTH, THAT UM, THE STORAGE OF HAZARD MATERIALS, UH, IS OF CONCERNS WE FORWARD.

UM, AND WE ELABORATED THE COMMISSION ELABORATED ON THE DEFINITION OF, UH, HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.

UM, WE ALSO HEARD THAT THE WAREHOUSE USE IS, UH, A CONCERN, UM, NOISE CONCERNS, UM, FROM THE, UH, RESIDENT AS WELL AS THE COMMISSIONS, UM, HOURS OF OPERATIONS.

SO THESE ARE THE MAIN POINTS THAT WE DISCUSSED.

UH, LAST MONTH.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO, UM, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS AND HE CAN ELABORATE ON THAT.

UM, HE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

UM, YEAH, JOSH WHEELER, 1920 MCKINNEY AVENUE.

UM, SO GOING OFF WHAT LAMONT LAIA SAID, UM, I WAS NOT HERE LAST TIME, BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE BIGGEST CONCERNS WERE THOSE UP THERE, PLUS A FEW OTHER ONES MAYBE.

SO I'LL START IF YOU'RE OKAY.

I'LL JUST GO ONE BY ONE ON THOSE.

THE STORAGE OF, UH, HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, I THINK, UM, UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, BUT ALSO AS A PRIVATE OWNER, WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING IN AND OUT OF OUR BUILDING.

SO WE DO AGREE THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY TYPE OF SPECIAL TREATMENT IN ANY WAY FROM ANY OF OUR COMPETITORS OR ANY OTHER, LIKE, USE BUILDINGS.

THEY WILL BE, UH, REQUIRED TO, IF THERE ARE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, LEMME START THERE.

IF THERE ARE ANY TYPE OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, DEPENDING ON HIGH LEVEL, LOW LEVEL, THEY ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED.

ANY USES, TENANTS IN OUR BUILDING ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED TO ADHERE TO ALL CODE AND ANY OTHER ORDINANCE THAT ARE STANDARD THROUGHOUT, UH, CITY OF BAYTOWN, BUT ALSO THE IBC CODE.

SO WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

WE WOULD EXPECT THAT AS WELL.

IN FACT, WE USUALLY REQUIRE THAT IN ANY TYPE OF LEASE OR SALE AGREEMENT.

SO I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THAT ONE.

UM, NEXT ONE, UM, I KNOW ABOUT IS THE NOISE.

I'M GONNA SKIP THE WAREHOUSE QUEUE FOR A SECOND.

SO THERE'S PROBABLY MORE QUESTIONS ON THAT.

UM, I THINK THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE BUFFER AND SCREENING.

I DON'T KNOW, I'M SURE YOU ALL AWARE OF THE VEGETATION THAT RUNS ALONG SOUTH ALEXANDER RIGHT THERE.

IT IS A PRETTY THICK HIGH VEGETATION OF TREES BUSHES.

OUR INTENT IS TO KEEP ALL OF THAT THERE AND THEN ADD MORE ON THE INSIDE.

SO NOT ONLY PROVIDING A VISUAL SCREEN, BUT ALSO KNOCKING DOWN ANY TYPE OF NOISE THAT WOULD HAPPEN AS WELL, WHICH ALSO GOES WITH THE WAY THE BUILDINGS ARE ORIENTED, PUSHING EVERYTHING BACK OUT TOWARDS 99 AWAY FROM SOUTH ALEXANDER AND ANY OTHER RESIDENTIAL AS WELL.

UM, WE'D ALSO AGREED THAT PRIOR TO AT SITE PLAN APPROVAL WILL PRESENT SOME SORT OF, UH, A, SOME SORT A NOISE STUDY TO THAT WILL OUTLINE WHAT NOISES COULD BE COMING FROM AND

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AND WE ADHERE TO WHATEVER CONCLUSIONS THOSE COME FROM.

SO WE ARE OPEN TO, UM, CONDUCTING THAT NOISE STUDY AS WELL.

UM, HOURS OF OPERATION, WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE ANY OF OUR USERS, UM, TO OPERATE 24 7.

WE OWN, WELL WE'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION ABOUT 7 MILLION SQUARE FEET ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

I WOULD SAY LESS THAN 10%, MAYBE EVEN LESS THAN 5% HAVE EVER ASKED TO OPERATE 24 7.

UM, SO I THINK SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, CODIFYING THAT IN WHATEVER, WHATEVER REALM, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE, WE'RE OPEN TO THAT, THAT DISCUSSION AS WELL.

UM, TRYING TO THINK.

AND THEN YOU HIT UPON THE TRAFFIC, UH, VERY COGNIZANT OF KEEPING ALL TYPE OF TRUCKS OFF OF SOUTH ALEXANDER.

UM, I THINK THE BEST WAY WE WOULD DO THAT IS MINIMIZING THE ONE ENTRANCE THAT IS THERE TO 24 FEET TO WHERE TRUCKS CAN'T MAKE THAT TURN.

UM, ADDING SIGNAGE ON THE INSIDE, ADDING SIGNAGE WAYFINDING WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE INSIDE OF THE PROJECT AS WELL.

PUSHING ALL THE TRUCKS OR ANY TYPE OF THAT TRAFFIC OUT TOWARDS THE FRONTAGE ROAD IN 99 AS WELL.

UM, ENVIRONMENTAL, YES, THIS SITE IS ALREADY, IS, IS CONTAMINATED.

WE HAVE NOT DONE OUR PHASE TWO.

WE'VE DONE OUR PHASE ONE AND HAS COME BACK THAT A PHASE TWO IS NEEDED.

WE WILL DO A PHASE TWO, UM, UH, UPON APPROVAL OF P AND Z OR CITY COUNCIL.

IT'S A PRETTY EXPENSIVE, UM, UH, UNDERTAKING.

SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AT LEAST DOING THIS IN THE RIGHT WAY WITH CITY.

BUT WE DO AGREE THAT WE WILL DO A PHASE TWO, IN FACT, TO GIVE EVEN MORE BELLS AND SUSPENDER TO THAT, WE HAVE TO DO IT.

WE COULD NOT GET A CONSTRUCTION LOAN WITHOUT IT.

UM, WE ARE DOING THIS ALL OVER NEW JERSEY, SO WE ARE VERY WELL ADEPT AT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THIS IS.

UM, SO THAT IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE, WE WILL DO AND HAVE ALREADY PLANNED ON DOING, UH, ONCE THE TIME IS RIGHT.

SO THAT WOULD ALL BE PRESENTED WITH THAT.

WHATEVER THAT FINDING IS THAT GOES TO TCEQ, WE'D ADHERE TO THOSE, UM, METHODS AND MEANS OF CLEANING UP THE SITE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CURRENT OIL AND GAS COMPANY THAT HAS THAT.

WE'VE HAD SOME SIDE CONVERSATION WITH THEM ON HOW THAT WOULD LOOK, BUT, UM, REGARDLESS FROM YOUR STANDPOINT, IT WOULD BE CLEAN PER THE TCEQ STANDARDS.

UM, WITH THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF I ANSWERED EVERYTHING, BUT I'LL STOP THERE TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

UH, HAPPY TO ASK, ANSWER ANYTHING THAT MAY, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, DID YOU DISCUSS THE WAREHOUSE USE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE USE, IT'S, IT'S BEING BUILT OF A SPECULATIVE, SO WE DON'T HAVE A TENANT OR A USER IN MIND RIGHT NOW.

UM, I WOULD ASSUME IT'S LIKE ANY OTHER ONES THAT YOU SEE.

IT'S PROBABLY TYPICAL IN AND OUT.

UM, I DON'T EXPECT MUCH MANUFACTURING HAPPENING IN THERE, BUT I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT USE.

I, I'D BE LYING IF I SAID TARGET WAS COMING, TARGET WAS COMING, I'D BE VERY HAPPY, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

UM, SO IT IS BEING BUILT AS A SPECULATIVE USE.

ALL OF THOSE BUILDINGS ARE.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, THE, I KNOW THAT Y'ALL HAVE PASSENGER VEHICLES.

THERE'S GONNA BE AN ENTRANCE IN THE BACK ON ONE 40 ON ALEXANDER MM-HMM .

WILL THERE BE ACCESS TO PASSENGER VEHICLES COMING IN THROUGH 99? SURE.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

UM, I WOULD ASSUME THE VAST MAJORITY OF ANY TYPE OF VEHICULAR OR TRUCK TRAFFIC IS COMING OFF OF THAT ROAD OFF OF THE FRONTAGE ROAD IN 99.

I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WOULD GO ALL THE WAY AROUND ONTO SOUTH ALEXANDER TO GET INTO THE PROJECT.

BUT AGAIN, TO, TO BE SAFE, WE'RE GONNA NARROW AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

AND WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT NOT HAVING A, UM, ACCESS ROAD THERE, BUT THEN YOU COME INTO FIRE LIFE SAFETY ISSUES, UH, FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR ANYBODY ELSE THAT MAY NEED TO GET IN.

IF THERE'S A BLOCK ON THE OTHER TWO ENTRANCE ALONG 99.

SO THIS GIVES FULL CIRCULATION, UM, FOR ANY FIRE LIFE SAFETY AS WELL.

CAN YOU HELP ME WITH WHAT IS 24 FOOT? 'CAUSE THE, THE TRUCKS THAT ARE COMING IN THE FRONT THAT SAID THAT'S 30 FOOT, BUT IN THE BACK 24 FOOT, CAN YOU PUT THAT INTO LAYMAN'S TERM FOR SOMEONE THAT DOESN'T KNOW THE TRUCKS? YES.

SO I'LL TRY MY BEST.

THEY'RE KINDA LIKE MOTORCYCLES.

UM, SIX FEET DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT.

UH, BUT IT IS A MASSIVE DIFFERENCE FOR WHEN A TRUCK IS TRYING TO TURN RIGHT.

THEY LIKE TURNING LEFT, IT'S VERY EASY.

BUT TO MAKE THAT TURN, THEY'VE GOT TO SWING ALL THE WAY OUT.

UH, WE DON'T HAVE IT HERE ON ANOTHER, WE HAVE, UM, SO SIX, I'M TRYING TO THINK, 24 FEET MAYBE.

I'M TRYING TO GIVE A VISUAL OF HOW, WHY THAT REALLY IS MAYBE FROM HERE TO THAT, UH, OTHER DESK RIGHT THERE.

SO ADDING SIX MORE FEET OUT TO THAT WALL OR EVEN FURTHER GIVES MORE ROOM FOR A TRUCK.

MOST TRUCKS NEED 30 PLUS FEET TO MAKE A TURN.

IT'S NOT GOING IN AND OUT.

'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE, IT'S A PRETTY SHARP TURN IF THEY'RE COMING IN.

AND SO THAT NARROW, THAT THROAT MAKES IT VERY HARD FOR THEM WITHOUT DRIVING OVER

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CURVES, DRIVING OVER THE YARD.

WE'VE EVEN IN THE PAST HAVE PUT BOULDERS THIS SIDE TO DETER EVEN MORE.

UM, SO THEY CAN'T MAKE THAT TURN.

IT IS A VERY, WE CAN DO A TURNING STUDY FOR YOU TO SHOW HOW HARD THAT IS.

UM, BUT IT IS A, IT'S A VERY TIGHT TURN FOR A TRUCK TO MAKE.

ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S, IF YOU'RE ASSUMING A CAR'S COMING OUT AT THE SAME TIME AND THEY'RE TRYING TO GET IN, THEY CAN'T MAKE THE TURN.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.

I'M SORRY.

I THINK I, I THINK I MAY HAVE JUST READ IT DIFFERENTLY.

YEAH, IT'S A 24 FOOT WIDE WIDTH.

IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

YES, I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

NOW, UM, MY QUESTION IS MORE FOR STAFF.

UM, THERE WAS A RESIDENT THAT SPOKE LAST TIME AND YOU, I'M ASSUMING WE DON'T HAVE THAT SLIDE OF THE RADIUS OF THE RESIDENTS.

HAVE Y'ALL SPOKEN OR RECEIVED ANY OTHER FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS IN THAT COMMUNITY? BECAUSE I'VE HAD SEVERAL REACH OUT TO ME AND THEY WERE IN THAT AREA, BUT NOT THE FIVE HOUSES THAT WAS IN 300 FEET.

MR. HARWELL, CAN I POINT OF ORDER? WE'RE STILL IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

I HAVE QUESTIONS TOO IF, IF AND, BUT WE'RE STILL IN PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS TO THE CITY AND STAFF.

SHE'S ACTUALLY HITTING ON MY NEXT POINT IF YOU DON'T.

WE DID SEND A LETTER, I, I BELIEVE IT WAS MARY LOU VENA.

I'M NOT SURE IF I'M SAYING HER LAST NAME CORRECT.

THAT SPOKE LAST MONTH.

WE DID SEND A LETTER, UM, FEDEXED AND CERTIFIED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS DELIVERED.

ASKING, YOU KNOW, OPEN TO, I THINK SHE REPRESENTED THAT SHE WAS KIND OF SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO HEAR THEIR CONCERNS AND TRIED TO ASSU ANY OF THOSE CONCERNS AND WE HAVE NOT HEARD BACK.

UM, SO I WILL SAY THAT WE HAD, WE DID TAKE THAT, THAT, UH, COMMENT SERIOUSLY AND DID MAKE THE REACH OUT AND THEY'RE STILL OPEN TO HAVING A DISCUSSION, SEEING IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO.

I MEAN, THERE'S ONLY SO FAR WE CAN GO BEFORE IT KIND OF GETS IN OUR WAY.

BUT WE DO WANT TO, UH, AT LEAST HEAR THAT OUT AND SEE IF THERE IS A MIDDLE GROUND, IF THERE IS SUCH, SUCH A THING, UH, TO WORK WITH THEM.

SO WE DID REACH OUT TO MARY LOU VENA, SORRY IF I'M SAYING HER NA, HER LAST NAME WRONG.

UM, VIA LETTER ASKING, YOU KNOW, TELLING HER TO CALL US ANYTIME WE'RE OPEN TO SIT WITH HER, THE COMMUNITY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL.

IS THIS POTENTIALLY GONNA BE A BONDED WAREHOUSE? IT COULD BE.

UM, AGAIN, I GET ASKED THIS A LOT.

I DON'T KNOW 'CAUSE IT IS BEING BUILT VACANT, SPECULATIVE, UH, BUT IT COULD BE A BONDED WAREHOUSE.

I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THREE PL STYLE.

WHAT'S THAT? THREE PL STYLE? IT COULD BE OR IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE THAT BUYS IT.

A LOCAL OWNER MAY WANT TO BUY IT THAT DOESN'T NEED THE BONDING.

UM, IT COULD BE, YES, A THREE PL THAT GOES IN THERE.

UM, BUT THAT'S REALLY KIND OF TENANT DRIVEN.

UH, THAN, THAN WHAT A DEVELOPER WOULD DO.

GOTCHA.

I HAVE A QUESTION ALSO.

WHAT WAS THE THINKING IN OUTDOOR STORAGE, WHICH IS I LAY DOWN YARD ANYWAY.

YOU LOOK AT IT AND IT'S UNSIGHTLY.

SO WE'VE GOT, UH, QUITE A BIT OF THAT IN THIS PLAN.

YEAH, WELL, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S A NEED FOR IT IN THE AREA.

FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND, WE OWNED, WE JUST SOLD, UH, UP ON I 10 USED TO BE CALLED YOUNGQUIST.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS SMALL PARK CALLED YOUNGQUIST THAT HAD ABOUT 30 OF THESE SMALLER BUILDINGS.

UM, WE JUST RECENTLY SOLD THAT TO ANOTHER GROUP.

UM, AND BECAUSE WE'VE OWNED IT FOR SO LONG, THERE IS A NEED FOR THIS, UH, THIS TYPE OF USE.

AND OUTDOOR STORAGE IN MY OPINION, IS KIND OF SIMILAR TO INDUSTRIAL.

IT KIND OF GETS A, IT'S JUST AN UGLY NAME.

UM, BUT THERE COULD BE, BUT WE'RE NOT HIDING THAT.

THERE COULD BE LAY DOWN, IT COULD BE PIPES, IT COULD BE A LANDSCAPER, IT COULD BE, I MEAN, IT JUST GOES THROUGHOUT.

I MEAN, THE, THE USE IS PRETTY LONG FOR THAT.

UM, BUT WHAT WE'VE FOUND FROM OUR OWNERSHIP OF THAT, PLUS SOME OTHER ONES AROUND THE GREATER HOUSTON AREA, THAT THERE'S A MASSIVE NEED FOR THAT.

UM, WITH ALL THE CONSTRUCTION GOING ON, HOMES BEING BUILT, ROAD CONSTRUCTION, JUST TYPICAL LOCAL, LOCAL BUSINESS OWNERS THAT LIKE THESE TYPE OF THINGS.

UM, THAT'S, THAT WAS IT, IT WAS MARKET DRIVEN I SHOULD SAY.

I WANNA REMIND THE COMMISSIONERS TOO, THAT IF, IF YOU LOOK ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, ALTHOUGH WHERE THOSE LITTLE RED CIRCLES ARE, THAT'S WHERE THE WELLHEADS ARE AND THEY CAN'T PUT, UM, THEY CAN'T PUT ANY BUILDINGS WITHIN THOSE CIRCLES.

SO THANK YOU MARK.

UH, SO I KNOW THAT IT, IT DOES REALLY KIND OF RESTRICT WHAT THE APPLICANT CAN DO WITH THOSE SPACES.

SO IT, IT, THERE, THERE REALLY IS, UM, THERE, THERE IS A, A PRETTY STRONG LIMIT TO THE THINGS THAT THEY COULD PUT ON THIS PROPERTY IN THE FIRST PLACE.

THINK THERE'S 11 OR 12 WELLS ON THERE, OF WHICH SOME ARE ACTIVE, SOME ARE NOT.

THANK YOU MARTIN.

SO THAT WAS PART OF THE DRIVING AS WELL IS THAT THERE'S, I

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WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE A SETBACK, UH, FROM THOSE.

SO IT, IT DOES, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME BIG CONSTRAINTS ALONG WITH THE OTHER ONES THAT WE'VE AGREED TO.

THE 30 FOOT SETBACKS, ALL THOSE OTHER ONES, IT STARTS TO CONSTRAIN WHAT CAN GO ONTO THAT SITE.

NOT ONLY WHAT WE COULD DO, BUT USES AS WELL.

LIKE A MULTI-FAMILY WOULDN'T, WOULD HAVE A VERY HARD TIME GOING THERE.

RESIDENTIAL, I'M NOT SURE WOULD WANT TO GO THERE.

UM, COMMERCIAL RESTAURANTS, I MEAN, IT'S A PRETTY BIG TRACK FOR RESTAURANTS.

SO THESE, WELL, THE WELLS PLUS THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECT OF THE SOILS, UM, START TO LIMIT FUTURE USES OF THE SITE.

AND, AND THAT'S, UH, FURTHER TO, TO THAT POINT.

UM, ANY OTHER USE WOULD HAVE TO BEAR THE COST OF CLEANING THIS SITE UP TO THE LEVEL OF PHASE TWO AND HOPEFULLY NOT A THREE.

AND THEN IT WOULD MAKE BUILDING SOMETHING ELSE THERE PROHIBITIVE.

IF SOMEONE WERE TO CLEAN IT UP TO A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR TCEQ, THE HOUSES WOULD COST SO MUCH TO GO THERE THAT NO ONE COULD WOULD WANT TO BUY THERE UNLESS IT TURNED OUT TO BE A COUNTRY CLUB KIND OF SITUATION, WHICH IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN ON THIS SITE.

UM, SO THE CONTAMINATION, UM, IS REAL.

UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

'CAUSE ALL THE OTHER USES, IF WE GO DOWN THE THE TABLE, UM, IT'S GONNA JUST COST TOO MUCH IN THE END TO THE END USER.

THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT, THAT I HAD IN THINKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THIS IS PROBABLY THE ONLY WAY THIS AREA WILL BE CLEANED UP.

AND, UM, JUST THE MORE THE STUFF SITS THERE, THE MORE LEAKS AROUND THE COMMUNITY.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THAT SIMILAR SITUATION ON LEE DRIVE WHERE IT'S AFFECTED NOT JUST THE AREA THAT WAS THERE, BUT AREAS AROUND IT.

AND SO I THINK THIS IS THE ONE WAY THAT THIS AREA CAN GET CLEANED UP AND MAKE IT PRODUCTIVE FOR USE.

UH, IT'S, IT'S BEEN A HARD DECISION FOR ME TO THINK ABOUT THIS, BUT THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT I KEEP THINKING ABOUT IS IT'LL FIND, GET CLEANED OUT AND ALL OF THAT IS BUFFER ALL THE WAY AROUND.

CORRECT.

ALL THE GREEN AND, OH, YEAH.

THAT'S, THAT'S A MORE BUFFER.

THOSE ARE TOWARDS THE RESIDENTS SETBACKS.

SO THOSE ARE BUFFERS INCLUDE WITHIN A LARGER SETBACK.

SO THERE'S A 20 FOOT, 25, 30 FOOT LANDSCAPE PLUS A LARGER BUFFER AROUND IT.

BUT THE GREEN IS ALL SOME SORT OF LANDSCAPING.

SOMETHING TO SCREEN AS BEST WE CAN WITH SPECIAL ATTENTION ON THE SIDE WHERE THE HOMEOWNERS ARE.

THAT'S RIGHT.

IS THERE ANY CONTAINMENT, A CONTAINMENT, ANY TYPE OF CONTAINMENT ALONG THAT BACKSIDE? I'M SORRY, I DON'T ANY TYPE OF CONCRETE, ANY TYPE OF CONTAINMENT PAD? OH, FROM ANY LEACHING OF MM-HMM .

WE DON'T KNOW YET.

UH, WE HAVEN'T DONE THE PHASE TWO WILL TELL ALL OF, UH, OKAY.

I MEAN THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE, YOU GUYS KNOW FAITH, BUT THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE GONNA GO DRILL.

THEY'RE GONNA DO OIL OR OIL, HOPEFULLY IT'S NOT OIL SAMPLES, WATER SAMPLES, SOIL SAMPLES THAT WILL TEST AND THEN THAT'S TURNED OVER TO TCEQ FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO CONTAIN MITIGATE.

I MEAN, IN THE PAST WE'VE, WE'VE HAD TO PUT DEED RESTRICTIONS ON IT TO WHERE YOU'RE NOT USING GROUNDWATER, WHICH IS FINE.

UM, TCEQ FROM THEIR STANDPOINT LIGHTS THESE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENTS ON CONTAMINATED SITES BECAUSE IT, IT ESSENTIALLY CAPS, SO WHEN IT DOES RAIN, IT'S NOT PUSHING, TO YOUR POINT, PUSHING MORE WATER DOWN INTO IT THAT THEN CAN GO IN ANY DIRECTION.

THIS IS LITERALLY PUTTING KIND OF LIKE A, LIKE A LID ON, ON A, ON A TUPPERWARE OF SOME SORT.

IT, IT, IT GIVES IT THE BEST SEAL IT POSSIBLY CAN.

SURE.

SO I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER.

SO MR. ELA BROUGHT UP A PART R THAT WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS, BUT WE'VE STILL GOT A PUBLIC HEARING GOING ON.

SO IS THIS POINT DOWN THAT WE CAN START HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF AND DEVELOPER OR DO WE NEED TO CLOSE THE HEARING? 'CAUSE I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS, CONCERNS I WANNA ADDRESS.

THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED LAST MONTH, RIGHT, MARTIN? YEP, THAT'S CORRECT.

WE, THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS LAST MONTH.

WE'RE, WE'RE NOT IN PUBLIC HEARING, YOUR HONOR.

NO, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSION.

SO I HAVE SOME CONCERN.

QUICK GIE, GO AHEAD.

NO, I, I HAVE A CON I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY.

UM, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE, WELL, UH, THE ROADWAY IN THE BACKSIDE, IF THAT WAS GONNA BE ADDRESSED AT ALL.

THAT, THAT, THAT ROAD IS PRETTY ROUGH ON SOUTH ALEXANDER.

IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY ROUGH PIECE OF DRIVE THERE.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF, IF WITH AN ADDED TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THERE, IF THERE WERE, IF THE CITY HAD PLANS ON ADDRESSING THAT SINCE THEY'RE PUTTING THE SIDEWALK IN, IF THERE WAS ANY PLANS FROM THE CITY TO ADDRESS THAT, THAT STRETCH OF ALEXANDER JUAN, CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? JUAN'S HERE TELL US.

JUAN MACIA PUBLIC WORKS IN ENGINEERING.

I'LL, I'LL

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CHECK WITH THEM TO SEE WHAT THE OVERLAY PLANS ARE FOR THAT SPECIFIC AREA.

OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T KNOW THE TIMELINE THOUGH.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? SO I HAVE A QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND I'M GONNA HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU.

ARE THOSE WELLS BEING MONITORED BY WE, IS THE CITY DON'T MONITOR THE STATE MONITORING? ANYBODY MONITORING THOSE EXISTING WELLS FOR SAMPLING OR ANYTHING GOING ON? NOW TYPICALLY THAT FALLS INTO THE RAILROAD COMMISSION.

ARE THEY BEING MONITORED? YOU DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW PERSONALLY, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THEIR PURVIEW.

UM, I ASSUME Y'ALL GONNA ELEVATE THE CONSTRUCTION PADS AND THINGS THAT YOU'RE GONNA BUILD THE BUILDING ON, IS THAT CORRECT? YOU'RE GONNA ADD 'EM UP, BUILD 'EM UP A LITTLE BIT? YEAH, BUT IT'S PROBABLY NOT THAT SIGNIFICANT.

WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN WE HAVE ALL THESE HEAVY FLOODS COME IN? WHERE'S ALL THAT WATER GOING? I MEAN, I'M NOT A CIVIL ENGINEER, BUT WE HAVE TWO DETENTION PONDS THAT ARE DESIGNED TO HANDLE WHAT WE ARE, WHAT IS GOING ON THERE TO HANDLE ANY OF THAT.

THAT DETAILS WE HAVE TO ADHERE TOWARDS ANY TYPE OF STORM WATER MANAGEMENT CONTROL FOR THE CITY.

THOSE DETAILSS WILL GET HAMMERED OUT, UM, AT WHEN WE GET TO THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, PLAN STAGE.

SO, UH, LET ME JUST RECAP.

YOU'RE GONNA COMPLY WITH THE STORAGE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, BUT WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS COMPLYING BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA GO IN THE WAREHOUSE YET.

SO YOU'RE BUILDING A WAREHOUSE, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THE WAREHOUSE.

CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.

UM, WE, WE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT OPERATING HOURS AND YOU COME IN AND YOU SAY, WELL, YOU, YOU'RE WILLING TO NEGOTIATE THAT.

SO WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THAT NOW? WHY DIDN'T YOU COME UP WITH PROPOSAL NOW FOR OPERATING HOURS? BUT BEFORE WE APPROVE THIS GOING IN? I MEAN, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN AN EASY THING TO DO.

WE'RE GONNA MAKE A DEVELOPMENT.

WE'RE ONLY GONNA BE OPEN EIGHT TO SEVEN OR WHATEVER THE CONVERSATION WOULD BE.

NO, I I GET THE QUESTION.

I, IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING IN THERE.

THAT'S MY POINT.

BUT THEN THAT STARTS TO LIMIT OUR MARKETABILITY VERSUS ANY OF OUR COMPETITION.

WELL, LEMME GET TO WHERE I'M HEADED WITH THIS.

SO ALL THIS VEGETATION THAT YOU GOT EXISTING ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE VEGETATION WILL PROBABLY GO AWAY AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

EITHER THE NEXT BIG HARVEY FLOOD WE HAVE COME ALONG, OR HURRICANE OR OLD AGE VEGETATION JUST DYING.

YOU GOING TO REPLACE ALL THAT WHEN THAT HAPPENS? UH, IF IT'S WITHIN OUR PROPERTY, WE'D HAVE TO PROBABLY REPLACE SOME OF IT.

I I WELL YOU'RE USING IT FOR SOUND BUFFER NOW.

SUPPOSEDLY THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO.

THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA DO.

SO ALL THE VEGETATION ON THE BACK THAT EXISTS THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR DECADES HAS BEEN THERE THROUGH THE HARVEY'S, UH, AND THE IKES AND ALL OF THAT.

AND IT HAS REPLENISHED ITSELF AND THEY'RE GONNA ADD TO IT.

THAT, THAT WASN'T MY QUESTION.

WE HAVE A LOT OF PLACES WHERE WE'VE HAD VEGETATION BEEN THERE FOR 50 YEARS IN BAYTOWN THAT AREN'T THERE NOW BECAUSE THE FLOODING AND THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THIS TOWN.

MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO USE THAT FOR SOUND BUFFER AND IT MAY NOT BE THERE FIVE OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW.

THAT'S MY CONCERN.

UM, I HAVE TWO BIGGER CONCERNS.

MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS A STAFF.

EXACTLY.

WHAT MEANS THAT YOU USE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE RESIDENTS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THERE'S THIS PROJECT GOING IN OTHER THAN AN ADVERTISEMENT IN THE PAPER.

YEAH, WE DO ADVERTISE IN THE PAPER.

WE, UH, WE CREATE A WEBPAGE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE WITH, UH, ALL THE INFORMATION, ALL THE, THE MAPS AND EVEN STAFF REPORT, UH, A TIMELY MANNER.

AND WE ALSO SEND, UH, PROPERTY OWNER IFICATION WITHIN 300 FEET RADIUS OF THE PROPERTY.

ONLY 300 FEET? YES.

WHICH IS WHAT, FIVE HOUSES.

SO LAST, UH, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING, WE SAID LIKE, UH, MOST OF THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS ON PARK, UH, WAY STREET AS WELL AS I THINK IT, IT WAS CIRCLE, UM, STREET WAS SENT NOTIFICATIONS.

SO WHATEVER COMES FROM THE, UM, ARC GIS MAP THAT IT'S WITHIN THE 300 FEET RADIUS, WE SEND THOSE OUT.

SO YOU SENT MAILERS OUT? YES.

TO FIVE HOUSES? NOT TO FIVE HOUSES, BUT HOW MANY YOU SAY FOUR.

UH, I CAN GO BACK.

HOW MANY MAILERS DID YOU SEND OUT? YEAH, I CAN GO BACK AND AND SEE EXACTLY HOW MANY, UH, PROPERTY OWNER NOTICES THAT 10 WAS MAILED OUT.

WE FOLLOWED OUR PROCESS, THE SAME PROCESS THAT WE FOLLOWED FOR ALL OTHER REASONS IN THE CITY.

2030.

MR. LET HER LET HER FINISH TALKING.

I AM.

YOU'RE BUT THEY'RE NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION.

YOU KEEP INTERRUPTING HER.

LET HER FINISH TALKING.

SO, UM, WE DID THIS EARLY, VERY EARLY IN THE PROCESS.

SO I DON'T HAVE THIS NUMBER RIGHT OFF MY HEAD, BUT, UH, I CAN, UH, BRING IT BACK TO YOU AND ALSO, UH, PRESENT THOSE NOTICES THAT CAME BACK TO US BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE MALES, UH, MAY COME BACK TO US.

LET, LET ME JUMP IN REAL QUICK.

COMMISSIONER.

UM,

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WE FOLLOWED, UH, WHAT IS REQUIRED BY STATE AND ACTUALLY OUR REQUIREMENTS GO UP, GO OVER AND ABOVE WHAT IS REQUIRED BY THE STATE.

SO THAT HAS BEEN FOLLOWED AND AGAIN, IN, IN THE INTEREST OF CONSISTENCY, THAT THAT'S WHAT WE, THAT'S WHAT STAFF DID.

SO MY LAST CONCERNING COMMENT IS, AND THIS IS GONNA BE A CHANGE FROM OUR LAST MEETING, BECAUSE THE MORE I THINK ABOUT THIS, AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU'RE STILL PUTTING A WAREHOUSE ON A FREEWAY.

IT'S A STATE HIGHWAY, AND WE'VE KIND OF BEEN PUSHING FOR A LONG TIME TO HAVE NO MORE WAREHOUSES ON OUR STATE HIGHWAYS THAN INTEREST.

AND THAT'S A PRETTY PUBLIC INTEREST INTO THE CITY COMING ACROSS FROM THE BRIDGE.

UH, SO IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE'RE EITHER GONNA DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND AND SAY, NO MORE WAREHOUSES ON FREEWAYS, OR WE'RE GONNA KEEP MAKING EXCEPTIONS ALL THE WAY DOWN THE ROAD FROM WHATEVER THEY WANT TO BUILD ALL ANYWHERE IN THE CITY, IS MY COMMENT.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KIND OF SAY SOMETHING TO MIKE'S COMMENT, UM, REGARDING WAREHOUSES.

BECAUSE WAREHOUSES, IT IS A VERY BIG PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.

WE ARE A PORT COMMUNITY.

THE PORT OF HOUSTON IS THE NUMBER ONE EXPORTING PORT IN THE UNITED STATES.

PORTS WILL CON WAREHOUSES WILL CONTINUE TO BE BUILT.

WE HAVE TO HAVE WAREHOUSES TO, TO CONTAIN THE, THE PRODUCTS THAT ARE COMING IN FROM THE UNITED STATES.

SO IT'S BETTER THAT THEY ARE BUILT ALONG THE FREEWAYS.

THAT'S WHY THOSE ARE CONSIDERED HAZARDOUS FOR HAZARDOUS CARGO.

I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT THESE FREEWAYS, BUT THEY, THEY ARE MONEY MAKERS, THEY ARE BONDED WAREHOUSES.

AND WE, I MEAN, THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE LIVE AT THE PORT.

IF WE DON'T WANNA LIVE AT THE PORT AND NOT HAVE THE WAREHOUSES, THEN YOU KNOW, THEN YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER WHERE WE'RE AT.

BUT, BUT WE ARE THE NUMBER ONE PORT IN THE UNITED STATES FOR EXPORTING.

SO WE, WE WILL GET ALL THIS FARGO HERE AT THE PORT THAT WE HAVE TO HANDLE, AND IT WILL BE SET SOMEWHERE.

I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PORT IS.

I DRIVE DOWN 99 TOWARDS BEACH CITY PROBABLY FOUR TIMES A WEEK.

A LOT OF WAREHOUSE SPACE DOWN NINE NINE, AND A LOT OF WAREHOUSES.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF EMPTY WAREHOUSES ON NINE NINE.

SO IT'S NOT THAT WE HAVE TO PUT 'EM RIGHT HERE INTO OUR ENTRANCE SYSTEM INTO THE CITY.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA AFFECT THE PORT TRAFFIC OR TRAILER VERY MUCH SPECIFICALLY.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

I WOULD TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, HOWEVER, I'LL BE VOTING NO AGAINST THIS.

SITE AND WHAT IS GOING ON IN THAT SITE AND WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR THAT SITE.

AND THAT'S FINE.

THERE IS GONNA BE A THIRD TERMINAL BUILT AT THE PORT OF HOUSTON, SO IT WILL BE INCREASING AND THEY WILL BE MONO RAILING CO CONTAINERS OUTSIDE OF THE PORT CALLED IN ICDS.

SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THE SPACE FOR THAT.

AND IT IS BIG REVENUE FOR THE CITY.

SO WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT.

AND WE MAY NOT LIKE IT, BUT THE BEST WAY IS TO DEVISE A BEST PRACTICE FOR IT.

AND, AND I THINK JUST AGAIN, SORT OF A REMINDER OF KIND OF WHERE WE'VE COME FROM, I THINK THERE WAS A CONSENSUS, UM, WITH THIS BOARD AND WITH CITY COUNCIL TO SAY, WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT WAREHOUSES IN GC.

WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE ULDC UPDATE, WE SAID WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT WAREHOUSES IN FREEWAY COMMERCIAL.

SO RIGHT NOW, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY HAS UNIQUE CONCERNS AND UNIQUE ISSUES TO THAT PROPERTY.

AND AS IT IS IN THE NEW ZONING IS ZONED FREEWAY COMMERCIAL.

THEY CAN'T DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THAT PROPERTY AS IT STANDS.

SO WHAT WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DECIDE IS, ARE THE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES OF A, UH, IS IT BEING TREATED IN SUCH A MANNER THAT IT MAKES SENSE? SO, UM, A AS WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A POLICY STATEMENT, NO MORE WAREHOUSES THAT HAS NEVER BEEN ESTABLISHED.

I'LL JUST THROW THAT ON THE TABLE.

THAT COULDN'T, CAN THEY GO IN INDUSTRIAL? YES, THEY ABSOLUTELY CAN GO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SHORT OF ZONING THIS TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

THE APPLICANT HAS BROUGHT FORTH THIS PUD BECAUSE YOU CAN PUT CONDITIONS IN IT.

WE ARE ASKING FOR CONDITIONS.

STAFF ASK FOR CONDITIONS AS PART OF IT, BECAUSE YOU CAN KIND OF, YOU CAN LOCK IN THE SITE PLAN, YOU CAN LOCK IN THE ACCESS FOR THE TRUCKS, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'VE DONE.

UM, YOU CAN LOCK IN, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE SITE.

SO, UH, UH, AGAIN, I, I JUST KIND OF WANT TO, AND, AND IF YOU STILL HAVE AN ISSUE WITH ANY OF THE USES THAT ARE BROUGHT FORWARD ON THIS PROPERTY, THEN THAT'S ABSOLUTELY VALID.

MAKING A BLANKET STATEMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NO MORE X, Y, Z, WE STILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS AS A, UM, AS ITS OWN

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SO AGAIN, IF IT STILL DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO YOU, THEN THAT, THAT'S COMPLETELY VALID AS A COMMISSION MEMBER.

UM, I JUST KIND OF WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THESE TYPES AND WE'RE GOING TO GET MORE OF THESE REQUESTS.

THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

AND YOU WILL BE ASKED AT THAT TIME TO SAY, THIS EITHER MAKES SENSE ON THIS SITE OR THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE ON THIS SITE.

SO, SO TRY TO JUST KIND OF KEEP THAT IN MIND AS, AS YOU, AS YOU MOVE FORWARD.

I'M ALSO, UH, UH, AS LONG AS I'M SPEAKING, I'M GONNA, I AM GONNA ASK THAT WHEN A MOTION IS MADE TONIGHT, IF A MOTION IS MADE FOR APPROVAL, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S VERY SPECIFIC.

SO WHEN THE MOTION IS MADE IT SAY, YOU KNOW, MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THESE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND THEN LIST OUT THE CONDITIONS.

AND IT CAN BE THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE ALREADY BROUGHT UP BY STAFF OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT, UM, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE ANYBODY MAKES A MOTION TO SAY, IF YOU DO IT, AND I I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO CLARIFY WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE.

SO, UM, SO IF YOU JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WELL.

IF I, IF I MAY, UM, THE, THE WAREHOUSES THAT ARE ON 99, UM, THEY MAY APPEAR TO BE VACANT RIGHT NOW, BUT A LOT OF THEM ARE ALREADY LEASED AND, UM, THE TENANTS HAVEN'T MOVED IN YET.

THEY'RE LEASING THOSE WAREHOUSES AT 36,000 A CLIP A MONTH.

SO THE DEMAND IS EXTREMELY HIGH FOR WAREHOUSING IN OUR CITY ALONG 99, 1 46.

AND IT'S REALLY THE ONLY PLACE THAT IT MAKES SENSE FOR A TRUCK TO GET OFF, GET IN, GET OUT AND GET, KEEP GOING, UM, RATHER THAN HAVE IT IN LAND, IF YOU WILL.

SO, YEAH, RUN.

I JUST WANT TO REITERATE REAL QUICK, UM, JANICE AND DONNA MAKE VERY GOOD ECONOMIC POINTS WHEN IT COMES TO THIS PROPERTY.

UH, I DON'T, MY, MY OPINION MOSTLY IS, IS BASED ON WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AND, YOU KNOW, I LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

MY MOTHER-IN-LAW LIVES, MY MOTHER AND FATHER LIVE MAYBE A QUARTER OF A MILE FROM THIS AREA.

AND, AND IT, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, IT TOOK A LOT FROM A LOT OF ME THINKING, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW THAT SOME OF THOSE LAID DOWN YARDS WON'T BE ABLE TO BE SEEN BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, THERE'S LAND THERE, THERE'S NOT A ROAD THERE CLOSE TO THERE THAT WHERE THEY CAN BE SEEN.

BUT, EXCUSE ME, MORE THAN ANYTHING, MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH THIS IS THAT THIS PLACE, AND I DON'T, YOU COVER YOURS IF YOU WANT, BUT THIS PLACE IS REALLY DIRTY.

IT HAS A LOT OF STUFF THERE.

YOU KNOW, I, I HAD HEARD RUMORS ABOUT STUFF BEING BUILT ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THEN WASN'T BECAUSE OF THE STUFF HERE.

'CAUSE IT'S SO EXPENSIVE TO GET OUT.

MY CONCERN IS FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT LIVES NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN EXPOSED TO STUFF AND, AND WHETHER WE WANT TO BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THAT STUFF, YOU, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT LAST TIME, MR. BEARD, THAT STUFF LEAKS OUT AND LEACHES OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS A CHANCE, THE ONLY REASON THAT I AM, ONE OF THE ONLY REASONS I'M FOR THIS IS BECAUSE IT'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO STOP THAT.

I HAVE REAL CONCERNS WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL SAFETY AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH OF THE COMMUNITY THAT LIVES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THIS AREA.

YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T LIKE WAREHOUSES, BUT I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE TO EXIST.

I LIVE IN BAYTOWN, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT THIS IS A CHANCE TO CLEAN THIS AREA UP AND, AND HE NEEDS IT.

IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE COMMUNITY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THIS THAT NOTHING ELSE CAN BE BUILT ON THIS EXCEPT BECAUSE IT'S A BIG, AND THAT, THAT'S THE ONE THING I WILL SAY IS, IS WE HAVE HAD, IN A YEAR AND A HALF, WE'VE HAD PROBABLY SIX OR SEVEN DEVELOPERS WHO HAVE COME IN AND LOOKED AT THIS SITE.

THIS IS THE FIRST ONE THAT'S DONE A PHASE ONE.

UM, EVERYONE ELSE HAS LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, IT'S TOO CONTAMINATED.

WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.

THEY'VE LOOKED AT IT FOR DOING RESIDENTIAL.

THEY'VE LOOKED AT IT FOR DOING RETAIL.

THEY'VE LOOKED AT DOING IT FOR A TRAVEL CENTER.

AND EVERY TIME THEY ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, DO THE, THE DUE DILIGENCE ON IT, THEY WALK AWAY.

THIS IS THE FIRST APPLICANT THAT WE HAVE HAD THAT HAS ACTUALLY DONE A PHASE ONE AND ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDS, UM, THE, THE CHALLENGES OF THIS SITE.

AND, AND I, THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY STAFF IS SUPPORTING THIS PUD IS BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE SITE.

THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT SITE TO DEVELOP.

AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OPTIONS TO DEVELOP THIS SITE.

IT'S EITHER GOING TO CONTINUE TO SIT EMPTY OR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DEVELOPER WHO, YOU KNOW, IS GOING TO DO THAT DUE DILIGENCE AND IS GONNA TAKE THAT RISK AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, CLEAN THIS PROPERTY UP.

SO THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT IS WHY ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY STAFF IS SUPPORTING THIS PUD.

OR ARE YOU SAYING, NAH, I'M DONE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS? I, UM, I, A QUESTION YOU, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE'S A PHASE TWO YES, SIR.

AHEAD.

I'M SORRY.

THERE'S A PHASE TWO COMING EITHER WAY CORRECT.

THAT YOU'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH, I MEAN, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS ARE Y'ALL MITIGATING THE SITE EITHER WAY? NO, THIS GOES

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LIKE ARE YOU INTENDING ON MITIGATING THE SITE WHETHER THIS PASSES OR NOT? NOT GONNA DO.

NO, WE CAN'T.

I MEAN, WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD THE PLAN UNLESS IT GETS PASSED YOU IN CITY COUNCIL.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I, BECAUSE YOU MADE A COMMENT EARLIER THAT KIND OF, IT MADE ME QUESTION BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT WE WERE GONNA BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PHASE TWO NO MATTER WHAT.

NO, SORRY, I'M JUMPING AHEAD.

ASSUMING THIS GETS PAST, OKAY, P AND Z AND CITY COUNCIL, WE HAVE TO DO, WE HAVE TO DO THE PHASE TWO.

SO IF IT GETS THAT FAR, EVERYTHING STAYS IN ORDER.

EVERYTHING STAYS.

IF EVERYTHING JUST STAYS ON TRACK, IT IS, I MEAN, WE STILL HAVE WETLANDS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE ARMY CORPS'S OKAY WITH.

THERE'S A LOT THAT STILL HAS TO HAPPEN.

UH, BUT THE NEXT THING WE WILL DO, ASSUMING IT OVER THE NEXT 30 DAYS IS GET TO THAT PHASE TWO AND THEN START THE, START THE REPORT OF THE PHASE TWO, START THE INVESTIGATION TO PHASE TWO.

BUT THERE'S, IT'S, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO YOU GUYS, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT AN, IT'S NOT AN INEXPENSIVE TASK TO DO PHASE TWO.

SO IF YOU KIND OF PUT YOUR SHOE STAND IN MY SHOES, UNLESS WE KNOW THAT THERE IS SUPPORT FROM STAFF AND CITY COUNCIL, IT'D BE KIND OF THROWING AWAY MONEY.

UM, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WAITING FOR.

BUT WE WILL DO IT IF IT GETS TO THAT.

THAT'S THAT'S FAIR.

UM, THERE IS A COMMENT THAT WAS MADE THIS MEETING AND LAST, AND IT'S, IT'S WHAT KIND OF THROWS ME OFF IS NOT A LOT OF OTHER THINGS COULD BE DONE, BUT NOT NOTHING ELSE COULD BE DONE.

JUST, AND I GET IT, THAT THERE MAY BE LIMITATIONS AND IT MAY BE DIFFICULT AND THERE MAY BE CHALLENGES.

UM, AND I DO UNDERSTAND AND THAT WE ARE A PORT LIKE CITY.

I MEAN, WE ARE RIGHT HERE.

WE HAVE EVERYTHING.

BUT I DO ALSO KNOW THAT THE VISION OF WHAT WE WERE WANTING TO PUT IN PLACE WITH BAYTOWN WAS NOT HAVING OUR WAREHOUSES ON THE FREEWAY.

ANOTHER CONCERN THAT I HAVE, AND THIS MIGHT SEEM SILLY TO SOME, BUT ALSO THE PROXIMITY TO THE SCHOOL.

UM, THERE IS A JUNIOR HIGH THAT IS INCREDIBLY CLOSE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW FAMILIAR THAT THERE IS TRAFFICKING THAT HAPPENS IN THIS AREA AND THERE ARE SAFETY CONCERNS THAT I HAVE, UM, THAT ARE BEYOND JUST THE DRIVING IN AND OUT WITH THE PROXIMITY THAT THIS IS TO A SCHOOL THAT MAKES ME VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.

I, I'LL BE HONEST, I DIDN'T THINK OF THAT.

UH, BUT POINT TAKEN, I DON'T, I I DON'T KNOW HOW OUR DEVELOPMENT, AND I COULD BE NAIVE TO THIS, SO APOLOGIES, I DON'T KNOW HOW OUR DEVELOPMENT WOULD INCREASE SOMETHING OF THAT.

I DON'T KNOW.

IT JUST THE CONCERN SURE.

AND KIDS AND WALKING AND GOING TO AND FROM AND EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE, SURE.

I MEAN, BUT ISN'T THERE A CONCERN IF IT WAS A MULTI-FAMILY HOTELS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? THERE'S STILL, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I DON'T, AND, AND IT COULD, BUT THEY'RE NOT TRUCK DRIVERS.

AND I HAVE, AND I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR THEM.

I ABSOLUTELY DO.

100%.

BUT I ALSO KNOW WHAT WE EXPERIENCED ON THOMPSON ROAD.

FAIR ENOUGH.

BUT THE TRUCKS AREN'T GOING ON THAT SIDE.

NO.

BY THE SCHOOL.

THEY'RE STAYING ON 1 46.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

99 THE TRUCKS.

AND I THINK BACK TO THE POINT THAT WAS MAKE MADE EARLIER ABOUT THE SITE GETTING CLEANED UP, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP THE KIDS IN THE LONG RUN.

I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.

I HAVE A COMMENT.

I WANNA SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR REALLY HEARING WHAT PNZ SAID FOR DIGGING INTO IT, FOR DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE.

I KNOW YOU'RE KINDA GETTING BEAT UP A LITTLE BIT , BUT, UM, BUT I, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IT'S NOT EVERY DAY THAT PEOPLE JUST GO DOWN THE LIST AND CHECK AND, AND, AND TRY TO DO WHAT THEY CAN DO TO, TO GET THEIR PROJECT AS CLEAN AND AS, UM, UM, COMMUNITY READY AS YOU GUYS HAVE.

SO, SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.

AND ARE WE READY TO MAKE A MOTION? 'CAUSE I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION.

YEP.

UH, WE DO NEED A MOTION, BUT DO WE NEED FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL TO NAME THEIR CONDITIONS? THE PERSON MAKING THE MOTION WILL NAME THE CONDITION.

AND THEN IT'S UP TO EVERYBODY ELSE TO AGREE, AGREE OR DISAGREE.

SURE.

SO I DO NEED A MOTION NOW, COMMISSIONERS, WE'LL START AT THE END.

WELL, I, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT STAFF HAS LISTED.

IS THAT TOO BLANKET OR WHAT, WHAT DO YOU NEED ME TO DO MARTIN? UH, THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN THE MOST RECENT STAFF REPORT.

YES, SIR.

THAT, THAT'S FINE.

I SECOND THAT MOTION.

AND THEN YOU SEE A HANDFUL OF SMALLER SIGNS AS WELL.

UM, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

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[d. Conduct a public hearing and consider making a recommendation concerning a request to amend the official zoning map to rezone approximately 103.8 acres located at 5000 East Interstate Highway 10, the former San Jacinto Mall site, from Mixed-Use Neighborhood (MUN) to a Planned Unit Development (PUD) Zoning District.]

THANK YOU RHONDA.

ITEM, UH, 3D CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING.

WE CONSIDER MAKING RECOMMENDATION CONCERNING A REQUEST TO AMEND THE THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO REZO APPROXIMATELY 103.8 ACRES, LOCATED AT 5,000 EAST INTERSTATE, HIGHWAY 10.

THE FORMER SAID TO SEND 'EM ALL SITE FROM MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD MUN TO A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, P ZONING DISTRICT.

ALL THIS, I'LL OPEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE STAFF TO, TO SUMMARIZE THE ITEM AND, UH, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANYONE'S SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UH, RYAN , ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UH, BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS, UH, A REQUEST, UH, FOR A RECOMMENDATION, UH, FOR, UH, THE PUD AT THE, UH, SUMMER FORMER SANTO MALL SITE.

UM, EVERYONE'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS, BUT THIS IS THE, UH, PROPERTY THAT IS LOCATED, UM, AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF, UH, INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 10 AND GARTH ROAD.

I DO WANT TO, UM, MAKE VERY CLEAR THAT THIS REZONING AFFECTS ONLY THE MALL PROPERTY.

IT DOES NOT AFFECT ANY OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES AS WELL.

THERE HAS BEEN SOME KIND OF QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED ABOUT THAT.

UM, THIS DOES, UM, ONLY AFFECT THE PROPERTY THAT FIDELIS.

UM, UH, SO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS CURRENTLY ZONED MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, IT WAS FORMERLY ZONED DELIVERABLE CENTER, UM, AND IN THE NEW, UH, ULDC, UH, LOCAL CENTER WAS ONE OF THOSE THAT WAS CONVERTED OVER TO A MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING DISTRICT.

THE FUTURE LAND USE, UH, MAP FOR THIS SITE DOES CALL FOR MIXED USE, UM, AS WELL AS THE SURROUNDING AREAS, UH, GENERALLY TO THE WEST AND THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, EVERYTHING ELSE SURROUNDING THE SITE, UH, TO THE NORTH AND THE, UH, EAST, UM, IS UH, DESIGNATED AS LARGE SCALE COMMERCIAL IN THE, UH, FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

SO YOU ALL DID HEAR, UH, DID SEE THIS LAST SIDE, BUT I WILL KIND OF GO OVER IT REAL QUICK AGAIN.

UM, THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR THIS, UH, SITE.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, CLOSER TO GARTH ROAD WOULD BE A SERIES OF OUTLAWS WITH SMALLER RETAIL AND, UM, COMMERCIAL AND RESTAURANT BUILDINGS.

UH, IN THE CENTER OF THE SITE, UH, CLOSEST TO GARTH ROAD, YOU DO SEE THE PELICAN GREEN KIND OF COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE THAT, UH, FIDELIS IS PROPOSING FOR THIS SITE.

UM, YOU SEE KIND OF THE SPINE THAT RUNS THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE, THAT WOULD BE YOUR LARGER, UH, SCALE, UH, BIG BOX RETAIL, UM, AS WELL AS POTENTIAL ENTERTAINMENT USES.

AND THEN ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, UM, WHICH COULD BE A MIX OF EITHER ENTERTAINMENT USES, UM, OR MULTIFAMILY.

UH, ONE OF THE MAJOR, UH, COMMENTS THAT WE HAD RECEIVED AND ONE OF THE MAJOR COMMENTS THAT STAFF HAD, UH, WAS ABOUT SIGNAGE.

UH, FOR THIS SITE, UH, THIS IS A RATHER LARGE PROPERTY.

IT'S 103 ACRES.

UM, THE, UH, APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, UM, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF SIGNS.

UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING, UH, TWO 80 FOOT PYLON SIGNS ALONG THE, UH, INTERSTATE 10 FEEDER, UM, AS WELL AS A 60 FOOT DIGITAL SIGN, UH, CLOSEST TO THE INTERSECTION OF GARTH ROAD AND I 10, UH, ALONG GARTH ROAD, UM, AT THE INTERSECTION OF BOTH INDEPENDENCE AND, UH, LONE STAR AVENUE.

UM, AS WELL AS, UH, THE INTERNAL KIND OF, UH, STREET THAT IS AN UNNAMED STREET, BUT THE PRIVATE STREET, THEY ARE PROPOSING A 42 AND A HALF FOOT PYLON SIGNS FOR REFERENCE 42 AND A HALF FEET WOULD BE THE KROGER MARKETPLACE.

MAIN SIGN THAT YOU SEE ALONG GARTH ROAD.

UM, 80 FEET IS, UH, TYPICALLY WHAT YOU SEE ARE THE LARGER PYLON SIGNS ALONG INTERSTATE 10, UM, TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF, OF THE SIZE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, AND THEN THEY'RE PROPOSING A HANDFUL OF 17 FOOT MONUMENT SIGNS AND SOME SMALLER NINE FOOT MONUMENT SIGNS, UH, INTERNAL TO THE SITE.

SO HERE IS, UH, SOME REDS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

UM, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, YOU SEE THE 80 FOOT, UH, MULTI-TENANT SIGN.

UM, AND THEN YOU DO SEE A, UH, 60 FOOT, UM, DECORATIVE KIND OF, UH, LANDMARK SIGN FOR THE, THE PROPERTY WITH A, A HORIZONTAL, UH, DIGITAL, UM, SIGN, UH, LOCATED, UH, THAT WOULD BE THE ONE THAT WOULD BE, UM, CLOSEST TO GARTH ROAD AND, AND I 10 THERE.

AND THEN AGAIN, HERE'S, UH, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.

THESE WOULD BE THE 42 AND A HALF FOOT SIGNS.

AGAIN, THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT THE MAIN SIGN OF THE, THE KROGER, UM, DEVELOPMENT ON GARTH ROAD IS.

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SO, AS YOU REMEMBER LAST TIME, WE DID HAVE SEVERAL COMMENTS.

UM, SOME OF THE ONES THAT, UH, REALLY STAND OUT AND THAT, UM, UH, THAT WE, UM, THAT BOTH US AND, UH, THE COMMISSION SHARED WERE, UH, SPEAKING ABOUT THE SIGNAGE.

UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A LITTLE BIT OF SMALLER SCIENCE THAN WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, UH, 180 FOOT SIGN, TWO 60 FOOT SIGNS WITH ONE OF THOSE BEING A DIGITAL SIGN ALONG INTERSTATE 10, UM, AS WELL AS 2 42 AND A HALF FOOT SIGNS AND A 30 FOOT SIGN ALONG GARTH ROAD.

UM, ALL THE OTHER SIGNAGE, UM, AS PROPOSED IS ACCEPTABLE TO STAFF.

UH, WE DO WANNA MAKE CLEAR THAT, UH, THIS IS A COMPROMISE.

UM, STAFF HAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

UM, OUR INITIAL, UM, COMMENTS TO THEM WERE, UH, EVEN EVEN LESS SIGNS.

WE WERE LOOKING AT 180 FOOT SIGN ALONG INTERSTATE 10.

UH, WE WERE LOOKING AT, UM, JUST TWO 40 FOOT, UH, SIGNS ALONG GARTH ROAD.

UH, AND SO WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER.

UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS, UH, DOES STILL MEET THE UNIQUE, UH, CHARACTERISTICS OF THE SITE WITH IT BEING SO CLOSE TO THE INTERSTATE WITH THE GREAT SEPARATION YOU HAVE OF THE INTERSTATE AS WELL AS THE LARGEST OF THE, THE SITE.

UM, BUT, UH, I DO KNOW THAT, UH, THE, THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

WE'LL, WE'LL EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THEIR REASONING BEHIND IT AS WELL.

UH, ONE THING I'M VERY HAPPY ABOUT, IF YOU DO REMEMBER LAST TIME THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THE MULTIFAMILY, UM, WE DID, UH, HAVE A PROPOSED CONDITION AT THE TIME OF THAT.

UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO NOT SEE ANY DEVELOPMENT OF MULTIFAMILY UNTIL THERE WAS AT LEAST A CONSTRUCTION OF 250,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE.

UH, THE APPLICANT, UM, DOES, HAS AGREED TO THAT.

AND SO THAT IS SHOWN IN THE, UM, IN THE, UH, THE PUD AS WELL.

UM, SO WITH ALL OF THAT, UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, UH, APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE TO THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

AND THAT IS AGAIN, UM, THE ONES THAT YOU SEE ON THERE, UM, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, A RE REDUCTION OF THE SIGNAGE OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

AND WE DO HAVE, UH, THE APPLICANT HERE AS WELL.

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE APPLICANT'S OKAY WITH THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS, NO, THAT, AND, AND THERE, THERE IS SOME, UH, DISAGREEMENT, UH, WITH, UH, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING AND WHAT, UH, THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

SO, UM, THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION WILL NEED TO, UM, TO HEAR, UH, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AND, AND MAKE THAT DECISION TONIGHT.

IF, IF, DO THEY ACCEPT STAFF'S CONDITIONS OR, UH, OR WHAT'S WRITTEN IN THE PUD AS IS CURRENTLY READ.

ROAD, BUT ON THE INTERSTATE.

WHAT IS THE STAFF'S JUSTIFICATION FOR DENYING THEM WHAT THEY REQUESTED? UH, SEVERAL, UH, THINGS.

UH, THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, THE CITY CODE WAS AMENDED, UH, I BELIEVE BACK IN 2022 TO ALLOW FOR UP TO AN 80 FOOT SIGN IF YOU ARE WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE INTERSTATE.

THAT IS LIMITED THOUGH TO ONE SIGN PER LOT.

UM, WE, AGAIN, WE THINK OUR PROPOSAL DOES GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT IS ALLOWED IN THE CODE.

AND WE THINK, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUENESS OF THE, THE PROPERTY, BECAUSE THERE IS ALREADY AN 80 FOOT SIGN THAT WAS ON THE PROPERTY WITH THE MALL, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS A REASONABLE COMPROMISE, UH, TO THIS.

UH, THE OTHER CONCERN THOUGH THAT WE HAVE IS THAT BY PERPETUATING THESE CONTINUOUS 80 FOOT SIDES ALONG THE FREEWAY, UM, IT DOES PUT STAFF IN A DIFFICULT POSITION IN THE FUTURE IF THERE'S FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THERE.

UM, UH, DO WE CONTINUE ALLOWING FOR THOSE 80 FOOT SIDES? WE HAVE HEARD FROM, UM, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.

WE'VE HEARD FROM, UH, THE COUNCIL AS WELL, THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME CONCERN ABOUT US CONTINUING TO HAVE THOSE 80 FOOT SIGNS ALONG THE FREEWAY, UM, ALONG GARTH ROAD.

UM, I MENTIONED THE KROGER BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THE NEWER DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'VE HAD.

UM, THAT WAS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, AGREEMENT SIMILAR TO THIS.

UM, THEIR DEVELOPMENT ALLOWED FOR A 42 AND A HALF FOOT SIGN, UH, THERE ALONG GARTH ROAD WITH A 21 FOOT, UH, TALL SIGN.

UM, SO, UH, AGAIN, WE BELIEVE THAT ALLOWING THIS MUCH SIGNAGE IS A LITTLE BIT OUTTA CHARACTER FOR THE AREA.

UM, YOU HAVE THE NEWER DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED ALONG INTERSTATE 10, THE SALT GRASS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT HAS A 40 FOOT SIGN, UM, THE, UM, HEB THAT IS ALONG GARTH ROAD THAT HAS ONE 60 FOOT SIGN, BUT THEN HAS A SMALLER, UH, SIGN ALONG, UH, HUNT ROAD.

SO AGAIN, UM, WE, WE BELIEVE THAT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED, UH, IS NOT IN CHARACTER WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.

AND, UH, THAT IS WHY, UM, WE ARE PROPOSING THIS, WHICH WE BELIEVE IS A COMPROMISE.

BUT NONE OF THOSE YOU MENTIONED ARE AS LARGE AS IT IS DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS A HUGE DEVELOPMENT THAT NEEDS TO HAVE ACCESS AND VISUAL FOR PEOPLE ON THE INTERSTATE, NOT NECESSARILY ON GARTH ROAD OR ON THE FEEDER

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THEY NEED THAT VISIBILITY.

AND THIS IS A HUGE PROJECT.

THIS IS NOT A KROGER CENTER, IT'S NOT HEB CENTER.

IT IS A HUGE DEVELOPMENT.

AND WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND GET IT STARTED COMING BACK AND BACK AND DISAGREEING WITH WHAT THEY ASKED FOR.

DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

AGAIN, I MEAN, THAT OUR, OUR JOB AS PLAYERS IS TO LOOK AT WHAT THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA IS.

AND, AND, AND WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A COMPROMISE.

THIS THIS IS COMING OFF OF WHAT OUR ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS.

THIS IS GETTING CLOSER.

WE'VE HEARD THEIR CONCERNS.

WE BELIEVE THAT THIS STILL IS A SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE.

THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TWO EIGHT.

WHAT IF, IF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS AGREED TO TONIGHT, THEY WILL HAVE TWO 80 FOOT SIGNS, UM, OR I'M SORRY, THEY'LL HAVE 180 FOOT SIGN AND, UH, TWO 60 FOOT SIGNS.

THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE A, UH, 2 42 FOOT SIGNS AND A 30 FOOT SIGN.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING COMING DOWN 20 FEET AND COMING DOWN 12 AND A HALF FEET.

SO AGAIN, UM, THAT IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, STAFF IS, IS RECOMMENDING, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY UP TO THE COMMISSION TO, TO MAKE, UH, YOU KNOW, TO HEAR WHAT THE, THE ARGUMENTS ARE AND, AND MAKE A DECISION.

UM, I AGREE WITH MS. TRACY.

UM, THIS IS OUR FLAGSHIP, UM, PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.

WE WANT AS MUCH VISIBILITY AS POSSIBLE.

I WOULD THINK, UM, FOR PEOPLE GOING THROUGH TOWARD BAYMONT, BUT BEAUMONT AND COMING BACK, WE WANT 'EM TO STOP AND SHOP MM-HMM .

EAT AND DO EVERYTHING ELSE.

UM, AND JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, FROM FROM BUCKY'S TO BAYWAY TO THE RESTAURANT TO GOOSE CREEK, HOW TALL ARE ALL THOSE SIGNS? UH, THOSE ARE, THE BUCKY'S IS 80 FEET.

UM, SALT GRASS IS 40 FEET.

UM, GOOSE CREEK, ONE OF THE HOTELS I BELIEVE IS 70 FEET, AND I BELIEVE THE BEST WESTERN IS EITHER 60 OR 70 FEET AS WELL.

AND ALL OF THOSE ARE MUCH SMALLER PROPERTIES.

THIS IS GOING TO, UM, HAVE NATIONAL RETAILERS THERE.

THEY WANT TO EARN WHATEVER THEY CAN.

AND AS MANY CARS AS WE COULD GET TO TURN IN FROM THE SIGNAGE THAT HELPS US, THAT HELPS US AS A CITY.

NO, WE, WE CERTAINLY DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT.

AND, AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S, THAT'S STAFF'S PROPOSAL, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY UP TO THE, UM, THE, UH, COMMISSION TO, UM, DECIDE WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

YEAH, SO, SO GO AHEAD.

NO, SO RYAN, I WAS KIND OF ROLLING WITH STAFF UNTIL YOU JUST LAID OUT ALL THE INCONSISTENCIES.

SO WHY ARE WE SUDDENLY TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT ? THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.

A LOT OF WHAT THE SIGNAGE THAT YOU SEE ALONG, UH, THE, THE FREEWAY, THE BUCKYS IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, UH, AGREEMENT.

BUT THE OTHER SIGNAGE ALONG THERE IS OLD EXISTING SIGNAGE.

AND AGAIN, THE CITY COUNCIL MADE IT CLEAR WHEN THEY CHANGED THE ORDINANCE, AN 80 FOOT SIGN YES.

IS REASONABLE ALONG THE FREEWAY.

WE'RE NOT SAYING IT'S NOT REASONABLE.

AND HOW FAR APART ARE THE SIGNS PLEASE? FEET? IT'S IN SIGNIFICANT, PROBABLY A HALF MILE.

WHAT OUR CONCERN IS, IS THE NUMBER OF 80 FOOT SIGNS, THE, THE, THE CODE, UH, WAS REVISED THAT IF YOU WERE WITHIN 200 FEET OF INTERSTATE 10, THAT YOU COULD HAVE A MAXIMUM AND 80 FOOT TALL SIGN WITH A MAXIMUM ONE PER PARCEL.

ON TOP OF THAT, YOU COULD HAVE A 42 AND A HALF FOOT SIGN.

UM, SO AGAIN, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A REASONABLE COMPROMISE.

THIS IS MORE THAN DOUBLE WHAT ANYBODY ELSE WOULD BE ENTITLED TO.

UM, AND WE THINK THAT'S REASONABLE.

YES, BECAUSE THIS IS A PROMINENT PROJECT.

BUT AGAIN, UM, HAVING THREE 80 FOOT SIGNS ALONG INTERSTATE 10, THERE IS A CONCERN THAT, UM, IT DOES NOT REALLY FOLLOW THE CHARACTER OF WHAT, UM, WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO IS THAT, IS THAT COMPROMISE GOING FROM THREE 80 FOOT TO TWO 80 FOOT, OR FROM A HUNDRED FEET TO 80 FEET? WHAT, WHAT ARE WE FROM THREE 80 FOOT TO 180 FOOT AND 2, 2 46 60 OR 42 SIXTIES, OR 42 SIXTIES.

SO WE'RE GOING, WE'RE GOING IT FROM 30.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE GOING, WE'RE GOING FROM FROM THREE 80, I'M SORRY, TWO 80 FOOT AND A 60 FOOT TO 180 FOOT.

AND TWO 60 FEET IS WHAT FROM TWO IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING.

80 AND ONE 60 TO 2, 180 AND TWO 60 FOOT SIGNS.

SO I, I KIND OF HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE DEVELOPER.

THAT SEEMS VERY BUSY TO ME.

I'M JUST TRYING TO VISUALIZE ALONG GARTH ROAD, UH, YOU KNOW, IN, IN I 10 WHERE THAT IS, AND THREE HUGE SIGNS ALL WITH SOMEBODY'S NAME IN A BOX SOMEWHERE.

I JUST, I'M, I'M KIND OF CONCERNED FROM THEIR POINT OF VIEW, LIKE I DO THEY NOT FEEL THAT THAT'S TOO BUSY.

SO I, I PULLED UP WHAT THE, THE PROPOSED MAP IS, AND I KNOW THAT THEY ALSO PUT TOGETHER SOME RENDERINGS OF WHAT THOSE SIGNS WOULD LOOK LIKE AS WELL.

AND SO BASED ON, ON A GOOGLE STREET VIEW, SO WHAT, HOW A DRIVER WOULD ACTUALLY SEE THEM ON THE ROAD.

AND HOW, HOW LONG IS THE FRONTAGE FROM, UH, ALL ALONG THE FRONT ON 10.

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IF NOT THIS ONE HALF.

YEP.

IF WE COULD, WE, IN OUR PRESENTATION, WE'VE GOT SOME, THESE IMAGES.

I, I THINK ULTIMATELY COMMISSIONERS, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF IS, WITH LONG TERM, WHAT IS THE OLD BAYTOWN? ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE PROLIFERATION, PROLIFERATION OF THOSE TALLER SIGNS ALONG I 10? AND MAYBE YOU'RE, YOU'RE FINE WITH THAT.

ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE PROLIFERATION OF 42 AND A HALF FOOT SIGNS ALONG GARTH ROAD? AND AGAIN, MAYBE YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT.

STAFF IS MERELY TRYING TO, TO KIND OF PUT OUT THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE SEE HAPPENING IN OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT AS THEY'RE, AS YOU DRIVE DOWN GARTH ROAD, WHAT ARE YOU SEEING? YOU ARE SEEING LOTS OF SIGNS ON POLES.

THESE ARE NOT SIGNS ON POLES, BUT THEY ARE BIGGER AND BULKIER THAN THOSE SIGNS.

SO AGAIN, IF, IF THAT, IF THAT'S OKAY FOR THIS COMMISSION, THEN YOU ARE WELCOME TO IGNORE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

UM, SO JUST KIND OF KEEP THAT IN MIND.

BUT MARTIN, DID WE MAKE THAT DECISION BECAUSE OF AESTHETICS? WE WERE THINKING THAT IT WOULD BE A BETTER LOOK, A CLEANER LOOK.

I MEAN, WHY DID WE MOVE AWAY FROM THAT? AND WHY DID WE REWRITE THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE? DO YOU REMEMBER? IN, IN THE NEW U DC YEAH.

I, IT IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, IT IS, UM, WITHOUT GETTING, THIS IS THE SIGN CLUTTER.

AND THAT IS ONE CONCERN WE'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE ALONG, ESPECIALLY GARTH ROAD, IS THAT IT IS BECOMING QUITE CLUTTERED WITH A LOT OF SIGNS.

AND IT, AND IT DOES IN SOME WAYS, IT DOES ATTRACT THESE, THAT VALUE OF THE COMMUNITY.

I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

EXCEPT THAT THIS IS A SPECIAL, UNIQUE PROJECT.

IT'S NOT A GROCERY STORE, IT'S NOT A CLOTHING STORE.

IT'S NOT BOOT BARN.

IT'S A BIG PROJECT.

IT'S A HUGE PRO.

IT'S, IT'S OUR FLAGSHIP PROJECT.

YOU, YOU HEARD WHAT I SAID ON THE LAST ONE, DIDN'T YOU? YEAH.

UM, DEFINE FLAGSHIP, FLAGSHIP, FLAGSHIP, FLAGSHIP.

DID I SAY THAT? YEAH.

REPEAT, LIKE, CERTAIN COMMUNITIES DON'T EVEN ALLOW, I MEAN, LITTLE SIGNS, THE WOODLAND IN THEIR AREA, IT'S JUST ALL AT LOW LEVEL.

AND THEN, BUT FOR THEIR LARGER AREAS, THEY DO HAVE THE TALLER SIGNS.

AND THESE SIGNS ARE NOT LIKE LAS VEGAS CASINO SIGNS, .

I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY COULD BE .

SO REMEMBER, HEY, NOW REMEMBER TOO THAT, THAT IF ACCORDING TO THE CURRENT CODE, THERE WOULD BE ALLOWED MUCH LESS SIGNAGE THAN WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.

AND SO I THINK WHAT STAFF IS TRYING TO DO IS, IS TO GET TO SOME COMPROMISE THAT IS WORKABLE FOR BOTH PARTIES.

AGAIN, YOU ARE FREE TO IGNORE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THIS AND GO WITH WHAT THE, THE APPLICANT WANTS, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU WANNA GO.

OR YOU CAN SAY, I HATE THIS TOO.

LET'S DO ALL FIVE FOOT SIDES.

YOU CAN DO ANYTHING, ANYTHING IN, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT, NOT SUGGESTING THAT.

AND I'M NOT TRYING TO FREAK OUT.

JUST TO CLARIFY, ONE ON ONE OF THOSE SIGNS IS A DIGITAL SIGN.

SO THERE IS A, THERE IS A DIGITAL SIGN GOING IN, RIGHT? WHICH, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE LARGE DIGITAL SIGNS EITHER.

SO, SO AGAIN, JUST JUST KIND OF KEEP IN CONTEXT IN MIND, KEEPING WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE IN THE FUTURE.

UM, BECAUSE EVERY, EVERY SITE THAT WE SAY THIS MUCH IS OKAY, WHETHER IT'S THIS MUCH OR THIS MUCH, THAT'S WHAT WE KIND OF HAVE TO LIVE UP TO FOR THE NEXT SITE AND THE NEXT SITE AND THE NEXT SITE.

AND THOSE SIGNS LAST A LONG TIME.

SO, BUT DO WE, YOU HAVE TO BE OKAY WITH THAT.

THAT'S, I'M SAYING, BUT DO WE, DO WE, DO WE HAVE TO DO THE, THE SAME THING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT A FLAGSHIP STORE? THAT'LL BE UP TO YOU.

OH, A PROPERTY.

DEFINE IT.

NOT HERE.

NOT, NOT RIGHT HERE.

HUNDRED OF THOUSANDS OF SQUARE FEET OR SOMETHING.

I MEAN, SOMETHING THAT'S, SO WHAT, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST AT THAT TIME, AND THIS IS A CONVERSATION FOR ANOTHER TIME, IS THAT WE CHANGED THE CODE.

SO FOR NOW, I THINK WE SHOULD GO TO THE I NO, NO, JUST AN EXCEPTION FOR THIS PROJECT.

I'M ASSUMING THAT DALLAS HAS SOME ANOTHER PRESENTATION TO GET.

IS THAT CORRECT? CAN WE GO AHEAD AND HEAR THAT PRESENTATION BEFORE WE GET ANY FURTHER ALONG? SO IF, IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE, I CAN GO THROUGH IT.

I'LL SKIP THROUGH A LOT OF THE BEGINNING STUFF.

'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE WENT THROUGH THAT LAST TIME.

BUT TO TRY AND ADDRESS SOME OF THESE SPECIFIC COMMENTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN ASKING, WE, WE HAVE PROVIDED SOME, UM, EXHIBITS THAT SHOW WHAT THE SIGNS WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM THE STREET SCAPE.

SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED 80 FOOT SIGN.

IF YOU SEE IN THIS, UM, PHOTO HERE, THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM THE STREET.

SO TO GIVE YOU PERSPECTIVE ON SIZE IN COMPARISON TO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S OUT THERE, I'M SORRY.

AND I, AND I DID WANNA POINT OUT THAT THIS FIRST IMAGE, THE TOP IMAGE THAT IS THE CLOSEST EXIT ONTO THE FRONTAGE ROAD, AND YOU CAN BARELY EVEN SEE THE SIZE.

IT'S SO IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM NUMBER ONE NOW, YOU'VE ALREADY MISSED THE EXIT TO GET TO THE SHOPPING CENTER.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO POINT OUT AS WELL.

AND THEN AGAIN, AS, AS SOMEONE MENTIONED, ONE OF THE SIGNS WE PROPOSED, THIS WAS IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS WE HAD, THAT IF WE ARE GONNA HAVE SOME OF THESE LARGER SIGNS, WE WANTED TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE LIKE A LANDMARK SIGN, SOMETHING UNIQUE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT INTO THE CITY.

AND SO THIS IS WHAT WAS PROPOSED, UM, FOR THAT AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY SHOWN, WHICH WAS MORE TRADITIONAL

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SIGNS.

SO ONE OF THE 60 FOOT SIGNS WOULD BE, UM, THIS, THIS STYLE WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, LED SIGN.

AND AGAIN, HERE'S RENDERINGS OF IT FROM THE HIGHWAY AS FAR AS WHAT THE, UM, SIDE SIGN WOULD LOOK LIKE IN RELATION TO ADJACENT SIGNAGE.

YOU CAN SEE THE CHILI SIGN HERE AND OTHER ONES ALONG THE, ALONG THE ROAD.

SO AGAIN, JUST SOME PERSPECTIVE.

UM, AND THEN THESE ARE THE 42 AND A HALF FOOT SIGNS THAT ARE ALONG GARTH.

UM, SO IN THEIR RELATION TO WHAT'S EXISTING OUT THERE.

AND THEN THE SMALLER SIGNS, THESE ARE THE 17 FOOT SIGNS.

UM, INCREASE THE COMMERCIAL THRESHOLD TO 250,000 SQUARE FEET.

AND I THINK ANOTHER THING THAT I DIDN'T MENTION THE LAST TIME, THIS IS THE ONLY SIGNAGE THAT WE WILL HAVE ON THE MAJOR ROADWAYS.

EITHER I 10 FRONTAGE OR GARTH.

AND WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT TODAY THE FIRST PHASE OF THIS PROJECT, WE HAVE ANOTHER 30 ACRES.

SO IF WE DON'T USE EVERY PANEL, I MEAN WE WON'T BE USING EVERY PANEL.

WE WILL HAVE TO NOT LET TENANTS HAVE SIGNAGE ON THESE SIGNS SO WE CAN PRESERVE SOME OF THOSE PANELS FOR THE FUTURE USES IN THE FUTURE TENANTS THAT ARE IN THE BACK.

'CAUSE THEY HAVE NO FRONTAGE ON EITHER OF THESE MAJOR ROADWAYS.

AND WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO GIVE THEM THAT ADVERTISING AS WELL.

AND THEN WE ALSO PUT TOGETHER A SLIDE.

I'M GONNA SKIP A FEW, UM, TO, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE GROUND? OH YES.

AND THIS, THE LAST MEETING, UM, THERE'S BEEN AN OFFICIAL GROUNDBREAKING ON THE PROPERTY.

SO HERE'S SOME PHOTOS OF THAT.

I KNOW SOME OF YOU ALL WERE IN ATTENDANCE AT THAT.

UM, SO THINGS ARE, ARE MOVING, AND I KNOW THAT WAS A BIG COMMENT LAST TIME TOO, IS WHEN IS STUFF HAPPENING? AND SO THERE'S BEEN A GROUNDBREAKING THAT'S HAPPENING.

UM, AND THAT WAS A OBVIOUSLY AN EXCITING DAY.

SO, UM, TO TRY AND MAKE IT REALLY CLEAR FOR ALL OF YOU WHAT STAFF COMMENTS WERE AND WHERE WE FALL ON IT, WE WANTED TO PUT TOGETHER, UM, AN A SLIDE THAT KIND OF OUTLINED 'EM.

SO THIS IS JUST ALL THE COMMENTS, BUT I'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE WHERE WE SHOW WHAT OUR RESPONSES TO THEM.

SO IN GENERAL, STAFF'S BEEN REALLY GREAT TO WORK WITH.

THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET ON CALLS WITH US AND HELP WORK THROUGH STUFF.

SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I THINK THAT WE REALLY HAVE COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON MOST THINGS.

THERE'S JUST A HANDFUL OF ITEMS THAT WE STILL HAVE A, A SLIGHT ADJUSTMENT THAT WE WANNA PROPOSE.

UM, BUT I'LL JUST RUN THROUGH THESE SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE HAVE DONE, UM, IN RESPONSE TO THE LAST MEETING AND THE AREAS THAT WE WANNA JUST GET YOUR GUYS' INPUT ON SOME ALTERNATIVES.

BUT, UM, NUMBER ONE IS COMPLY WITH THE UDLC ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS.

SO WE HAVE ADDRESSED THAT WITH EXCEPTIONS OF THINGS THAT ARE OUTLINED WITHIN THE DOCUMENT.

UM, SO AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S ALL TRANSPARENT.

WHAT WE WON'T BE COMPLYING WITH IS STATED SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE ALTERNATIVE REGULATIONS ARE IN HERE.

UM, INCORPORATE LANDMARK TYPE SIGNAGE, THAT'S THE ONE THAT I SHOWED YOU.

UM, THAT'S THE MORE UNIQUE DESIGN, UM, THAT HAS THE DIGITAL SIGN ON IT.

UM, ENSURE THE MATERIAL SIGNAGE MATCHED OVERALL AESTHETIC OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO WE ADDRESS THAT COMMENT BY SPECIFICALLY MENTIONING IN THE TEXT THE EXHIBITS THAT SHOW THE PROPOSED MATERIALS AND SUCH THAT THOSE WOULD HAVE TO BE COMPLIED WITH FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT WITHIN, UM, THE PROJECT.

UH, ANOTHER COMMENT WAS TO ENSURE ANY BUILDING ELEVATION THAT FACES GUARDS HAVE ENHANCED ARTICULATION AND ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS.

WE HAVE ADDRESSED THIS, WE'VE INCLUDED A LANGUAGE IN THERE FOR ANY BUILDINGS THAT FACE OR THAT HAVE, UM, THE REAR OF THEIR BUILDING BACKING UP TO GARTH.

THAT THERE ARE OTHER REQUIREMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MATERIALS AND ARTICULATION IS ADHERED TO EVEN ON WHAT WOULD BE THE QUOTE BACK OF THE BUILDING.

THERE'D BE SCREENING IF THERE'S ANY DUMPSTERS OR ANY MECHANICAL, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

IT'S OBVIOUSLY IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR DEVELOPER TOO FOR A, A GREAT LOOKING PROJECT.

AND SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE HAPPY TO COMPLY WITH.

UM, THE ONLY EXCEPTION BEING FOR THE LARGE ANCHOR TENANT THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME, UM, OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME, UM, CHANGES ON THAT FRONT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS BASED ON WHERE IT'S RUNNING.

IF IT'S ADJACENT TO A COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE VISIBLE FROM RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, THERE MAY BE SOME OF THE, UM, ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE, UM, ALLOWED TO BE, UM, DIFFERENT ON THAT PROJECT OR THAT PART OF THE PROJECT.

UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S OUTLINED IN THE TEXT.

UM, AND THEN ANY DUMPSTERS, ANOTHER COMMENT WAS THAT THEY'D BE ORIENTED AWAY FROM THE STREET AND ENCLOSED BY SIMILAR MATERIALS.

AGAIN, THAT WAS PART OF WITH GARTH SPECIFICALLY.

UM, ON THAT, THE ONLY EXEMPTION THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS FOR, ON A LARGE ANCHOR TENANT, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, CHAIN LINK FOR THE DOORS OF IT IF IT'S NOT VISIBLE AND IF IT'S AT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND NOT ADJACENT TO ANY, UM, INCOMPATIBLE USE OR VISIBLE TO OTHER USES.

UM, BUT OTHERWISE EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD COMPLY WITH WHAT SAS PROPOSED.

AND THEN REFERENCE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER AND MATERIALS, WE DID THAT.

UM, ADDING IN BIKE RACKS, WE'VE PROVIDED A STATEMENT IN THE DOCUMENT THAT BIKE RACKS WILL BE PROVIDED, UM, UPDATING THE STREET SCAPE LANGUAGE TO LIST TREE STREET RESTRICTIONS.

SO THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD SAID WE WERE HAPPY TO COMPLY WITH WHERE WE COULD.

SO WE JUST MODIFIED THE LANGUAGE TO BASICALLY SAY THAT, THAT UNLESS THERE'S EASEMENTS OR OTHER RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE IN THE WAY, WE WILL COMPLY WITH THE STREET TREE REQUIREMENTS.

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WE HAVE DONE THAT.

SO THAT WOULD LIMIT ANY MULTIFAMILY, UM, UNTIL AFTER 250,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL.

AND THE NEXT ONES ARE RELATED TO THE SIGNS THAT YOU GUYS WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.

UM, THE STAFF COMMENT WAS TO REDUCE ONE OF THE PYLON SIGNS FROM 80 FOOT TO 60 FOOT, WE REQUEST THAT THAT BE ALLOWED TO REMAIN THE PROPOSED 80 FOOT AND THEN ALSO REDUCING ONE OF THE 3 42 FOOT SIGNS TO 30 FOOT.

UM, SO BASICALLY TO SUMMARIZE, WE'VE COMPLIED WITH MAJORITY OF THE COMMENTS.

THERE'S JUST A COUPLE MODIFICATIONS PRIMARILY ON THE SIGNAGE.

WE'VE JUST REQUEST THAT YOU CONSIDER APPROVING WITH OUR PROPOSED SIGNAGE PACKAGE AND THEN WITH A COUPLE OF, UM, ALLOWED MODIFICATIONS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS FOR, UH, THE LARGE ANCHOR TENANT.

BUT IN EVERYTHING ELSE, WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH STAFF AND WITH COMMISSION AND MAKING SURE THAT THIS IS GONNA BE A HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT THAT EVERYONE CAN BE PROUD OF.

SO, UM, I HOPE THAT KIND OF OF HELPED OUTLINE SOME OF THE, THIS MORE SPECIFIC NUANCES OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

BUT IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'RE ALL HERE.

SO, UM, FEEL FREE.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

SO ON THE BACKS OF THE BUILDINGS MM-HMM .

GARTH ROAD, ARE THERE GONNA BE BACKS OF THE BUILDINGS ALONG I 10 FRONTAGE AS WELL OR JUST ALONG GUARD? LET ME JUST PULL UP THE SITE PLAN.

SO ALONG I 10 IT, THERE'S REALLY ONE THAT WILL SIDE, THERE'S ONLY ONE LOT, WE ONLY HAVE ONE BUILDING.

WE DON'T OWN ANY OF, MOST OF IT'S ALREADY DEVELOPED.

AND THAT'LL BE A, THAT'LL BE A RESTAURANT PAD.

SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS, ALL THE ONES THAT HAVE REAR FACING, ARE THEY GONNA PUT SIGNS ON THEIR ACTUAL BUILDING AS WELL? 'CAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF LIKE WALL MOUNTED DO THAT FRONT AND BACK, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN GET BOTH VIEWS.

IS THAT GONNA BE ALLOWED? IS THAT SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT? YEAH.

AND SO PART OF WHAT WE PROVIDED TO STAFF WITH THIS LAST ROUND, AFTER OUR, OUR MEETING WAS A COMPLETE SIGNAGE, UM, STANDARDS PACKET THAT'S BEEN PUT TOGETHER BY THE DEVELOPER THAT INCLUDES SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

ALSO, UM, TO AGAIN, JUST MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR WHAT WHAT IS ALLOWED, UM, FOR EVERYTHING EVEN BEYOND JUST THE UM, MONUMENT SIGNAGE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? YEAH, I HAVE SEVERAL.

OF COURSE, OF COURSE.

UM, MY GENERAL CONDUCT SANDWICH, I THINK WHAT STAFF IS PROPOSING FOR THE SIGNAGE IS FAIR.

I JUST THINK IT GETS CLUTTERED AND IT BECOMES, UH, A DISTRACTION, UH, ON SOME OF THE, ON THE LIKE GO ROAD, SOME OF THOSE AREAS.

UH, I, I DON'T THINK, LET ME GO BACK AND REPHRASE IT.

I AM ABSOLUTELY HAPPY THAT YOU GUYS ARE COMING HERE AND DO SOMETHING WITH THIS PROPERTY AND I SUPPORT THAT DEVELOPMENT.

MAYBE NOT EXACTLY IN EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING, BUT I SUPPORT THAT DEVELOPMENT.

I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH ANYBODY IN BAYTOWN KNOWING THAT THAT MARKETPLACE IS THERE.

ONCE YOU BUILD THAT MARKETPLACE, NO MATTER MATTER HOW MANY SIGNS YOU PUT UP TRAFFIC, IT AIN'T GOING TAKE LONG.

THE FREEWAY IS SOMETHING THAT YOU DO NEED SOME KIND OF SIGNAGE FROM THE FREEWAY FOR OUTTA TOWN TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, COMING AND GOING IN THE PROCESS.

BUT A LOT OF THAT MARKETING CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF OTHER METHODS LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES DO.

UH, SO I'M OKAY WITH THE SIGNAGE COMMENDING THAT STAFF ARE DOING.

I THINK THAT'S FAIR.

I THINK IT'S SOME OF FUTURE POINT.

IF YOU NEED MORE, WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT IT.

UM, CAN YOU TELL ME, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WRAPPING MY HEAD AROUND 250,000 SQUARE FEET.

HOW MUCH OF THIS DRAWINGS LAYOUT THAT YOU HAVE EXCLUDING FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, IS 250,000 SQUARE FEET? THE ENTIRETY OF IT OR PART OF IT? NO, IT'S ABOUT HALF.

YEAH, ABOUT HALF OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING HERE IS 250,000 SQUARE FEET.

UH, SO THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA BE AROUND 500,000 SQUARE FEET RIGHT THERE.

BUT THAT WAS STAFF'S PROPOSAL.

I'M SORRY, SORRY, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE MICROPHONE? I'M SORRY.

I THINK THAT WAS STAFF'S PROFO PROPOSAL WAS 250,000 SQUARE FEET AND WE JUST WENT ALONG WITH IT.

THE, THE ORIGINAL I THINK FROM THE APPLICANT WAS 80 A HUNDRED.

A HUNDRED.

WAS IT A HUNDRED? OKAY.

SO, UH, POTENTIALLY YOU COULD BILL HALF OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND START BUILDING APARTMENTS.

RIGHT? WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT THIS ENTIRE THING IS GONNA BE COMING OUT OF THE GROUND AT THE EXACT SAME TIME.

WE HAVE LEASES SIGNED FOR ALL OF THE ANCHORS.

SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A MISCONCEPTION IN BAYTOWN RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE GETTING A MALL , JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WANNA SAY WE'RE NOT GETTING A MALL.

WE'RE NOT BUILDING, YOU KNOW, BAYBROOK OR WE'RE NOT GETTING A MALL.

WE'RE GETTING A MARKETPLACE AS YOU, OTHERWISE YOU'D CALL IT A MALL, A MARKETPLACE ON A LARGER SCALE THAN WITH KROGER AND AT OURS.

AND IT'LL BE A NICE ONE, THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND WHATSOEVER.

BUT IT'S NOT A MALL

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AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

UH, LESS OPPORTUNITIES FOR MY WIFE TO GO SPEND MONEY.

I'M OKAY WITH IT.

BUT I GUESS I HAVE A PROBLEM.

I HAD A PROBLEM LAST TIME I HAD A PROBLEM WHEN THE NUMBER TWO 50 CAME UP.

UM, I HAD THE, THE, I JUST, I HAVE A PROBLEM BUILDING HALF OF THE COM, THE RETAIL ISSUE WHEN THAT'S THE DRAW IN THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW, AND I CAN ASSURE YOU IT'S NOT APARTMENTS.

UH, IS THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE BIGGER EXPANDED AND PARTICULARLY SINCE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING ON THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PORTION, UH, KIND OF RAISES THAT AND THEN CALLING IT COMMERCIAL, A MIX OF THIS, THIS AND OTHER.

SO HOW MUCH OF THIS DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE? AND I'M NOT ASKING FOR YOUR TRADE SECRETS, I'M NOT ASKING FOR YOUR TENANT LIST OR ANY OF THAT.

HOW MUCH OF THIS IS GONNA BE EATERIES ALONG THE FRONT SIDE? I'M ASSUMING IT'S GREEN SPACE.

THAT'S GREEN SPACE.

SO HOW MUCH OF THAT IS IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? JUST BOUNCE ME A NUMBER.

WELL, I WON'T HOLD YOU TO IT, .

WELL, WE CAN'T REALLY TELL YOU TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE GROUND LEASE PADS.

THERE WILL BE FIVE GROUND LEASE PADS.

SO PROBABLY WHAT, SEVEN, EIGHT A PIECE.

SO LET'S SAY 40 TO 50,000 OF SIT DOWN TYPE GROUND LEASE RESTAURANTS.

AND THEN THE MAJORITY OF PELICAN GREEN, WHICH IS 1240 8,000 SQUARE FEET IN THERE.

AT LEAST HALF OF THAT IS PROBABLY RESTAURANTS.

SO THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF FOOD USES THAT WANT TO BE AROUND A GREEN SPACE.

SOMEBODY DO THE MAT FOR ME.

I'M TWO TOO TIRED.

THE RESTROOM.

WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.

WHAT IS IT? 88? 200? YEAH.

88 200.

SO YOUR, YOUR ANCHOR STORE, LET'S ASSUME FOR THE FACT THAT IT'S GONNA GO WHERE YOU'RE PROPOSING IT TO GO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, SQUARE FOOTAGE.

HUNDRED 70, 170 SQUARE FOOTAGE.

SO YOU COULD BUILD THAT AS SOME RESTAURANTS AND BE DONE AND GO BUILD APARTMENTS.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT OUR POINT, BUT, BUT YOU COULD THEORETICALLY, OKAY.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT DIDN'T YOUR CEO SAY SOMETHING AT THE GROUNDBREAKING, LIKE THERE'S ALREADY 15 RESTAURANTS THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF? YEAH, I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY WHAT IT'S NUMBER WAS.

I THINK 15 DO HAVE A LOT OF, WE DO DEFINITELY A LOT WAS 15.

IT WAS A LARGE NUMBER.

WE WERE ALL EXCITED.

WE HAVE A LOT OF RESTAURANT INTEREST AND YOU KNOW, OUR PLAN IS TO BUILD MUCH MORE THAN THAT NUMBER.

WE JUST AGREED WITH STAFF ON THAT NUMBER.

UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE DO LIKE THIS AND TYPICALLY WE BUILD A COMMERCIAL FIRST BECAUSE THAT ADDS VALUE TO THE MULTIFAMILY.

YEAH, I'VE SEEN THE COUPLE OF, YEAH, AND LET ME JUST POINT OUT SOME OF THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, IT'S NOT ALL MULTIFAMILY.

SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT SIGNAGE, WE GOTTA ALSO CONSIDER, AND I THINK ANN BROUGHT THIS UP, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE A THEATER WANTING TO GO INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PARTIAL, WELL, WE GOTTA BUILD THAT INTO THESE SIGNS SO THAT WE HAVE 'EM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, AND I KNOW SOMEBODY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT MODIFYING THAT SIGN, WE COULD SPEND AS MUCH ON THE ORIGINAL SIGN MODIFYING IT IF WE HAVE TO DO IT OR TWO YEARS LATER OR A YEAR LATER AND WE WANNA BUILD THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT FOR A, A THEATER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I PERSONALLY WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM ONCE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL AND EVERYBODY ELSE MAY HAVE A PROBLEM, BUT I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM.

WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH YOUR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA PUT IN THERE AND YOU DECIDE YOU NEED TO SIGN BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING SPECIAL LIKE A HOTEL, WHICH IS THE FIRST THING WE HEARD OF THAT SINCE LAST WEEK COMING IN AND COME BACK AND MAKE A REQUEST.

I WOULD, I WOULD VOTE FOR THAT PERSONALLY BECAUSE THAT'S A UNIQUE PIECE OF THING THAT'S GOING IN THERE IN THE PROPERTY.

UH, BUT I THINK THE CURRENT SIGN THEY'RE PROPOSING IS, IS PRETTY FAIR.

UH, WITHOUT IT GETTING, UH, TOO BUSY.

YOU'RE NOT WANTING TO, YOU KNOW, BORROW THE BUCKY SCHEME, HOW THEY, YOU KNOW, COME DOWN THE ROAD COMING IN.

UH, MY BIGGER PROBLEM IS THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BUILD BEFORE THEY GO IN.

SO IF YOU COULD GO IN THERE AND BUILD A BUNCH OF RESTAURANTS, EATING SPOTS AND NOT REALLY HAVE ANY RETAIL, AND THEN BE MOVING OVER INTO YOUR DEVELOPMENTS UNDER, UNDER THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL 250, AND THAT, WHETHER YOU SAY YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT OR NOT, YOU COULD UNDER THIS AGREEMENT OF 250,000 COMMERCIAL WITH MIXED, I GUESS WOULD IT HELP IF WE SAID ANCHOR, JUNIOR ANCHOR TENANTS AS OPPOSED TO JUST COMMERCIAL? MY CONCERN IS I WOULD WANT TO GET THE, THE, THE, THE SPACE BUILT BEFORE WE POP A BUNCH OF APARTMENTS INSIDE.

I THINK THEY'RE BEING FAIR ENOUGH.

AND, AND THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA LEAVE THE OPTION.

UH, GO AHEAD.

I ALSO REALIZE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A PUT, YOU COULD GO IN THERE AND BUILD UNDER THE CURRENT ZONE AND MEET THAT CODE AND NOT GET YOUR CONCESSIONS AND BUILD WHAT YOU WANNA BUILD ANYWAY.

I MEAN, YOU OWN THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? AGAIN, IN THEORY, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

RIGHT? I DON'T, AND I THINK,

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I MEAN, IF WE WANT TO SAY WE WANNA INCREASE THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE, I MEAN, HE WAS MORE THAN SAYING HE'S WILLING TO AGREE WITH WHAT THE CITY WAS, UH, WANTING TO SAY.

SO, UM, I MEAN IF WE WANTED TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO INCREASE THAT AMOUNT TO 400, SO THE JUNIOR ANCHOR AND THE ANCHOR TOTAL TOGETHER ARE GONNA BE HOW MUCH? A HUNDRED TO A HUNDRED TO 2 50 50? YEAH.

I MEAN THEY, THEY'RE 100 TO WHATEVER.

I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING, BUT WE CAN'T MAKE IT PROHIBITIVE.

IT 300.

YEAH, IT'S PROBABLY 300.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANTED TO SAY WHATEVER THE, WHETHER IT'S 2 50, 300, UM, THAT WOULD BE A FAIR COMPROMISE IN MY MIND.

OF JUNIOR ANCHOR AND ANCHOR RETAIL.

YOU'RE MAKING A PRETTY BIG COMMITMENT WHEN YOU DO DO THAT.

I MEAN, UM, WELL, YEAH, AND THE OTHER THING, WHEN WE DO BUILD A PROJECT OF THIS SCALE, WE WANT TO GET ECONOMIES TO SCALE.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THE ANCHORS, WE'RE GONNA BUILD THEM ALL AT THE SAME TIME, BUILD THAT ENTIRE PARKING LOT AT THE SAME TIME, DO EVERYTHING AT THE SAME TIME.

AND THE ANCHORS ARE TYPICALLY THE ONES THAT COME FIRST, WHICH IS WHY THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE AT LEASED WITH RIGHT NOW.

THE OTHER GUYS ARE GONNA COME IN, FLOCKING IN.

I MEAN OUR, OUR LIST OF PROSPECTIVE TENANTS FOR THE SMALLER BUILDINGS IS MUCH LARGER THAN THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT WE HAVE.

SO YOU GET ALL THOSE BIG GUYS SIGNED UP AND THEN EVERYBODY ELSE YOU CAN CHERRY PICK THE VERY BEST ONES THAT WILL COME IN HERE IMMEDIATELY ON THE HEELS.

HOW MUCH OF THE A HUNDRED ACRES OR SO IS THE ACTUAL RETAIL DEVELOPMENT, NOT COUNTING THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AREAS? WHAT, HOW MUCH ACRES? THIS, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS 70 ACRES.

OUT OF A HUNDRED, MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN WE CALL THE QUESTION, UM, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? YEAH, I DON'T, BEING BRIEF.

UM, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE IN THE SIGNAGE AND I AM REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THIS DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AND ALTHOUGH I DO SHARE SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS AND THE QUESTION OF JUST COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL IS VERY BROAD, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WHAT THAT COULD BE, UM, I AM EXCITED.

I DID ASK A QUESTION LAST MONTH THAT I DON'T FEEL THAT WAS ANSWERED IN, AND I UNDERSTAND, AND I'VE KIND OF REALLY MULLED OVER THAT THE, THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT I ASKED HIM AND IT WAS LIKE, OH, WELL WE DON'T KNOW.

AND, AND I CAN RESPECT THAT EXCEPT FOR THE QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE START BUILDING RESIDENTIAL AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE MIGHT KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT WE MIGHT NOT KNOW WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.

UM, SO I MEAN, WE CAN TELL YOU IT'S NOT GONNA BE ALL RESIDENTIAL.

I WE'RE PRETTY SURE OF THAT.

AGREED.

THERE ARE ENTERTAINMENT, THERE'S SEVERAL ENTERTAINMENT USES THAT HAVE SHOWN INTEREST THAT WE'VE TALKED TO.

WE'VE NOT COME TO TERMS PER SE WITH ANY OF 'EM YET, BUT WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS BUILD SIGNS THAT WON'T SUPPORT THOSE FUTURE USES AND HAVE TO COME BACK AND SPEND ANOTHER 250,000, $300,000 MAKING THE SIGN TALLER TO, 'CAUSE EVERY ONE OF THESE ANCHOR TENANTS IS GONNA WANT A PANEL LONG I 10 AND A PANEL LONG GUARD.

AND RIGHTFULLY SO.

THEY'RE SPENDING A TON OF MONEY.

AND I'M NOT AGAINST THE, THE RESIDENTIAL IN THERE, NOT, I JUST THINK THAT WE MIGHT KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.

AND THAT'S OKAY.

BUT I, MY, MY QUESTION AND CONCERN IS WITH THE PUD, I, I'VE NEVER SEEN A PUD COME THROUGH THAT JUST HAD FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND AS LIKE A BIG QUESTION MARK OF IT'S GONNA FIT WITHIN THOSE GUIDELINES, BUT WE REALLY DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE APPROVING LATER.

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS WHEN, SINCE THIS IS A PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO PROJECT, WHY WAS PHASE TWO OR PHASE ONE NOT SPECIFIED? BECAUSE THERE'S VARIATIONS LIKE SIDEWALK AND, AND, UM, THE WIDTH OF THE STREETS THAT Y'ALL WERE ASKING FOR AS WELL.

AND SO WHEN YOU PUT THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WITH WHAT MAY BE FUTURE RESIDENTIAL AND BUSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, HOW WILL THAT ALL FIT INTO WITH THAT WHEN IT'S JUST KIND OF WIDE OPEN WITH WHAT IS FUTURE DEVELOP? SO I, I WISH THAT THIS WAS PHASE ONE, SO TO TRY AND ADDRESS SOME OF THAT.

THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THOUGH, THE SPECIFIC USES AREN'T KNOWN AT THIS TIME AND THE SPECIFIC LAYOUT ISN'T THERE.

THE REGULATIONS WOULD STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH WHAT'S IN HERE.

SO THE THINGS LIKE THE STREETSCAPE, THE LANDSCAPING, THE MATERIALS, THE SIGNAGE, THE SETBACKS, THE BUILDING ARTICULATION, ALL OF THOSE STANDARDS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO INCORPORATE TO MAKE THAT LIKE COHESIVE APPEARANCE AND BRING UP THAT QUALITY, THAT WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED ON ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

SO IF ANYONE WERE TO COME IN ON THOSE TRACKS AND NOT WANT TO COMPLY WITH THAT, THEY'D BE IN VIOLATION OF THE PUD AND IT'D HAVE TO COME BACK IN

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FRONT OF YOU.

SO THE USES AGAIN, WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED IF IT WAS ONE OF THE USES SPECIFIED THAT'S PERMITTED IN THE PUD.

SO IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE DOCUMENT ITSELF AND WHAT THAT ALLOWS AS FAR AS THE STANDARDS AND THE USES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THEN ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE IN LINE WITH THAT.

DOES THAT HELP? RIGHT.

BUT THEN WE STILL END UP WITH THE SAME COMMERCIAL QUESTION MARKS, AND YOU KNOW WHAT? IT, IT JUST, IT SEEMS VERY BROAD AND OPEN AND I IT IS THIS NOT UNPRECEDENTED TO JUST HAVE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN A P WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GONNA BE.

SO WHAT YOU'RE ZONING TO IS A OKAY, SO IF, IF YOU ZONED IT AS, UM, OKAY, SO RIGHT NOW IT'S A MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD OR LIVABLE CENTERS IS WHAT IT WAS BEFORE THEN THEY'RE JUST HELD TO WHATEVER THE CODE SAYS THEY CAN OR CAN'T DO.

SO IN THIS CASE, YOU, YOU'VE GOT A, A GROUP OF USES THAT COULD GO IN THERE.

DO WE KNOW THE AMOUNT? WE DO NOT, WE DON'T KNOW THE MIXTURE.

UM, CAN IT BE DONE THIS WAY? ABSOLUTELY.

UM, IT ALL DEPENDS ON YOUR COMFORT LEVEL WITH, WITH THAT.

IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, THEN YOU CAN VOTE NO ON, ON THE, UH, ON THE ENTIRE THING.

UM, THAT'S UP TO YOU.

BUT THERE WOULD NOT BE A WAY TO, I GUESS, PHASE IT BECAUSE THEY ARE PHASING IT AND IT'S PRESENTED AS PHASES WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.

BUT YOU, YOU CAN REQUEST THAT AS, AS A GROUP, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO BE IN CONSENSUS AS A GROUP IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.

SO ANY OTHER FUTURE, UM, DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE, UH, SORT OF CITY COUNCIL ANYWAY, WHETHER, NO.

SO, AND THAT'S WHERE MY QUESTIONS, IT'S A, IT'S A MARKETPLACE.

I MEAN WE HAVE CITY ORDINANCES FOR A REASON.

WE HAVE, WE HAVE ALL THIS LAID OUT FOR A REASON, BUT CAN I GET BACK TO THE SIGNS? ? OKAY.

SO ON THIS MAP RIGHT HERE, I SEE WHERE THE OFF RAMP COMES FROM.

I 10, RIGHT? SO STAY ON THIS MAP AND JUST KIND OF TELL ME.

SO THIS FIRST LITTLE OPENING WHERE THE FUTURE USE IS, THAT'S WHERE YOU WANT AN 80 FOOT PILE ON.

OKAY, LET ME PULL UP THE EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS THE LOCATION.

WELL NOW YOU GOT ME OFF MY MAP .

SORRY, HERE.

THIS SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THE SIGNS THERE, SO IT MIGHT HELP ILLUSTRATE IT.

SO SO THAT'S WHERE THAT IS.

SO A IS A, IS THAT LITTLE SLIVER OF OPENING ON THE FUTURE.

SO THAT'S AN 80 FOOT PI ON? CORRECT.

AND THEN B IS GONNA BE THE BIG SAN JA SANTA MARKETPLACE.

PRETTY, PRETTY.

NO, NO.

WHAT'S B 80 FOOT? ANOTHER 80 FOOT PI ON.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE CURRENT SAN IT'S ALREADY THERE.

AND THEN C IS GONNA BE THE DIGITAL CORRECT.

WHICH IS GONNA BE, UH, 80 FOOT IN THE AIR AS WELL, IS WHAT YOU WANT.

60 FOOT IN THE AIR.

CORRECT.

ALRIGHT.

SO ALL, ALL OF THIS SAID YOU DID HAVE A COMMISSION MEMBER THAT ABOUT FIVE MINUTES AGO CALLED THE QUESTION.

SO YEAH.

UM, WE DO NEED TO HAVE A MOTION AND, UH, AND THEN A SECOND AND THEN HAVE, WE CAN HAVE MORE CONVERSATION, UM, BEYOND THAT.

BUT WE DO HAVE A COMMISSIONER WHO CALLED FOR, CALLED THE QUESTION.

I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND THIS TO CITY COUNCIL AND APPROVAL WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TO ALLOW THE SIGNAGE THAT'S BEEN REQUESTED BY THE DEVELOPER, SO AS, AS PRESENTED, AS PRESENTED WITHOUT STAFF'S CONDITIONS.

I'M GONNA SECOND IT DONE NOW.

NOW YOU CAN HAVE MORE CONVERSATION NOW IF IT'S NEEDED.

WELL, ALLY, WOULD YOU AMEND THAT MOTION TO INCLUDE THE JUNIOR, THE ANCHOR, AND THE JUNIOR ANCHOR IN THE MAD COMMERCIAL? NO.

SO WE, WE HAVE A MOTION.

NO .

WAIT UNTIL YOUR CHAIR SAYS YOU'RE DONE.

TO, UH, ITEM FOUR FOR THE DIRECTOR'S APARTMENT REPORT.

WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON

[a. Receive a report from the Planning Director.]

YES, THANK YOU.

I'LL MAKE THIS QUICK.

AND WE ONLY HAD ONE ITEM GO THROUGH, UH, CITY COUNCIL.

UH, CAN SOMEBODY CLICK THAT FORWARD FOR ME? HOPEFULLY THAT'S ON THERE.

IT WAS ONE ON BAYWAY AND WITH THE OTHER CORNER STREET BAYWAY.

OH, THERE, IT'S RIGHT THERE.

SORRY.

UM, IT WAS A REZONE OF ABOUT A THIRD OF AN ACRE AT 7 4 2 7, UH, BAYWAY DRIVE THAT WENT FROM URBAN RESIDENTIAL, UH, WHICH WAS OUR, UM, MF TWO PREVIOUSLY TO MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL.

THAT WAS, UH, THE GENTLEMAN

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WHO CAME IN AND SAID HE WANTED TO BUILD A PLACE FOR HIS, UH, FOR HIS CARS.

CARS, MM-HMM .

TO, UH, TO KEEP THEM THERE AND TO HAVE AN OFFICE IN THAT AS WELL.

UM, THAT IS ALL.

AM I FORGETTING ANYTHING? NO, THAT IS OKAY.

I THINK THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT FOR YOU.

IF YOU'VE HAD ENOUGH.

IT'S ALMOST TWO HOURS.

SO , I'LL JUST, I'LL UH, I'LL END IT THERE.

SO, UH, HAVING EXHAUSTED ALL THE UH, AGENDA ITEMS, THE MEETING IS NOW ADJOURNED.