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5:04 PM[ CITY OF BAYTOWN NOTICE OF MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 17, 2024 5:00 P.M. COUNCIL CHAMBER, CITY HALL 2401 MARKET STREET, BAYTOWN, TEXAS 77520 AGENDA ]
I NOW CALL THIS, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER AND ASK LESLIE TO CALL.MIKE, ARE YOU SPEAKING? MICROPHONE.
I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU GOTTA SPEAK UP HALFWAY.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A QUORUM.
UH, SO SINCE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, I NEED TO READ THIS SENTENCE, CITIZEN.
THE PURPOSE OF CITIZENS' COMMENTS IS TO GIVE CITIZENS THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS THEIR VIEWS.
ANYONE DESIGNING, DESIRING TO SPEAK SHOULD HAVE SIGNED THE APPROPRIATE LIST IN THE FOYER.
UH, EACH CITIZEN SHOULD, SHOULD GIVE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS AND PROVIDE A PROPER RECORD, UH, TO PROVIDE A, A PROPER RECORD.
THE RULES ALLOW EACH PERSON ONE MINUTE TO SPEAK.
A CITIZEN MAY PASS THEIR TIME TO ANOTHER PERSON WHO'S REQUESTED TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
HOWEVER, NO CITIZEN'S REMARKS SHALL EXCEED THREE MINUTES.
THE ONE OR THREE MINUTE LIMIT MAY BE EXTENDED BY A MAJORITY VOTE ON THE COMMISSION.
I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO BE AS CONCISE AS POSSIBLE.
PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THE COMMISSION CANNOT DISCUSS OR DELIBERATE ON ITEMS FOR WHICH PUBLIC NOTICE HAS PUBLIC NOTICE HAS NOT BEEN GIVEN ON THE AGENDA.
ISSUES THAT CANNOT BE REFERRED TO THE ADMINISTRATION FOR ACTION MAY BE CONSIDERED FOR REPLACEMENT ON THE AGENDA OF FUTURE PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, AGENDAS.
DOES ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS? THERE'S NO ONE TO SIGN UP.
UH, THERE BEING NO ONE ELSE OR NO ONE, UH, SIGN UP TO SPEAK.
UH, THIS CONCLUDES THE CITIZENS' COMMENT REPORTED PORTION OF THE AGENDA.
WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.
A, UH, CONSIDER APPROVING THE MINUTES MEETING.
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
SO WE HAVE A MAJORITY SET OF THE MOTION CARRIES.
UH, ITEM NUMBER B, CONSIDER MO APPROVING THE MEETING MINUTES OF AUGUST, 2024.
PLANNING AND SIGNING COMMISSION.
I NEED ON THE REGULAR MEETING, I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE A SECOND.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
I'LL READ THE FOLLOWING ONE TIME AND APPLIES TO ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS.
PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE HELD FOR THE PURPOSE OF GIVING ALL INTERESTED PARTIES.
PARTIES, SORRY, PARSONS, THE RIGHT TO SPEAK AND TO BE HEARD.
EVERYONE DESIRING TO SPEAK AT TODAY'S HEARING SHOULD HAVE SIGNED THE APPROPRIATE LIST.
AS TO THIS LIST WILL PROVIDE THE SPEAKING ORDER FOR THE HEARING.
EACH SPEAKER SHALL GIVE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS TO PROVIDE A PROPER RECORD OF THIS HEARING.
THE RULES ALLOW EACH SPEAKER THREE MINUTES TO PRESENT THE INFORMATION.
HOWEVER, I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO BE CONCISE.
IF YOU ARE A GROUP TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON THE SAME SUBJECT, PLEASE SELECT A PERSON, SPOKESPERSON TO PRESENT THE INFORMATION.
IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE DIRECT THEM TO ME.
SO, UH, ITEM NUMBER A, I'M SORRY.
NUMBER FOUR, UH, VARIANCES, UH, A, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A REQUEST CONCERNING A SUBDIVISION VARIANCE ON APPROXIMATELY 4.73 ACRES AT 5 0 8 MIDDLETON STREET TO ALLOW THE CREATION OF TWO LOTS WITH NO LOT FRONTAGE ON THE IMPROVED PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND THE COMMISSIONERS, AND TIM CHI HERE WITH THE CITY'S PLANNING THEIR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
WE HAVE, UH, PROJECT WITH TWO PARTS AND, UH, IT HAS A SUBDIVISION VARIANCE REQUEST AND THE FINAL REPL.
AND, UH, I WILL GO OVER THE SUBDIVISION VARIANCE REQUEST FIRST BEFORE
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I MOVE ON TO THE PLOTTING PART AND THE APPROVAL OF THIS, UH, FINAL REPL HINGES ON THE APPROVAL OF THIS SUBDIVISION VARIANCE.AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS THE VICINITY MAP.
THE SUBJECT SIDE IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF MIDDLETON STREET BETWEEN DECK DRIVE AND THE WEST BAKER ROAD AT 5 0 0 8 MIDDLETON STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A VARIANCE ON APPROXIMATELY 4.73 ACRES AT 5 0 0 8 MIDDLETON STREET TO ALLOW THE CREATION OF TWO LOTS WITH NO LOT FRONTAGE ON IMPROVED PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CREATE TWO LOTS WITH PROPOSED LOT ONE SERVED BY A RECORDED 25 FOOT WIDE ACCESS EASEMENT, AND ANOTHER EASEMENT WITH VARYING WIDTH.
AND THE PRIVATE 24 FOOT WIDE ACCESS AND THE UTILITY EASEMENT EXTENDING FROM PROPOSED LOT ONE TO PURPOSE LOT TWO.
AND, UH, ON THIS MAP YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE HIGHLIGHTED, YOU KNOW, COLOR CODED IN DIFFERENT PARTS.
THE YELLOW PART REPRESENTING THE RECORDED, YOU KNOW, UH, ACCESS EASEMENT, THE 25 FOOT ACCESS EASEMENT.
AND THE GREEN PART IS THE ONE, THE BEGINNING PART, UH, IS THE ONE WITH THE VARI WIDTH ALL THE WAY GOING TO THE BLUE PARK, WHICH IS PROPOSED LOT ONE.
AND THE LEASE PART GOING ALONG THE WESTERN EDGE OF, UH, PROPOSED LOT ONE IS, UH, UH, PRIVATE 25, UH, 24 FOOT WIDE, ACCESSING THE UTILITY EASEMENT.
AND, UH, BASED ON THE REVIEW, UM, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS SUBDIVISION VARIANCE.
NOW ALLOW ME TO MOVE, MOVE ONTO THE PLOTTING PORTION.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE VICINITY MAP.
WE'RE GONNA, UM, WE WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR ACTION ON THE VARIANCE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE PLAQUE.
PARDON ME? NO ONE SIGNED TO SPEAK.
UH, SO SINCE NOBODY'S SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY, UH, SO ANY, UH, DISCUSSION FOR THE, UH, BETWEEN THE COMMISSIONS ON THIS, COMMISSIONERS ON THIS? WHAT IS THEY INTEND TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY? WHY ARE THEY ASKING TO COMBINE THEM? LEASE SUBJECT SIDE IS BEING PROPOSED TO DIVIDE INTO TWO LOTS, AND, UH, THE APPLICANT WISHES TO USE THIS, UH, SUBJECT SIDE FOR RESIDENTIAL ESTABLISHMENT IN THE FUTURE.
AND, UH, BASED ON THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION, WHICH WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY CREATED BY THE CURRENT OWNERS, AND, UH, THEY ARE SEEKING THIS VARIANCE ON THE ACCESS EASEMENT IN ORDER TO FULLY UTILIZE THE SUBJECT SIDE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? NO, SIR.
UM, WITH THAT SAID, IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, THEN NO ONE ELSE IS, UH, SIGNED UP TO DESIRE TO SPEAK.
UH, I'LL CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
NOW ALLOW ME TO MOVE ON TO THE PLOTING PART FOR THIS, UH, PROJECT.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE VER VICINITY MAP SHOWING THE SAME SUBJECT SITE.
THIS IS THE LAST PARAMO RANGE, FINAL REPL HIGHLAND FORM SUBDIVISION.
THE SITE IS ZONED SF TWO, UH, MIXED, MIXED RESIDENTIAL AT LOW TO MEDIAN DENSITY.
OR IF WE ARE GOING WITH THE NEW ZONE IN WHICH BE MR. MIXED RESIDENTIAL, IT IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF MIDDLETON STREET BETWEEN DECKER ROAD, UH, DECKER DRIVE, AND, UH, WEST BAKER ROAD AT ONE, UH, 5 0 0 8 MIDDLETON STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DIVIDE THE
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4.73 ACRES OF LAND INTO TWO LOTS FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES.HERE'S THE MAP FOR THE PLAN, AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
ANY, UH, DISCUSSIONS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? NO.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ITEM B FIVE B, UH, CONSIDER REMOVING, UH, APPROV SANTO MALL.
PRELIMINARY REPL NUMBER TWO, APPROXIMATELY 103.75 ACRES COLO LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERFA INTERSECTION OF GARTH ROAD AND INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 10.
MY NAME IS LAMIA SALEM, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
THIS IS THE MALL SITE ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF GARTH ROAD AND I 10.
AND THIS IS A, UM, THE PLA SAN JACINTO MALL.
PRELIMINARY, UH, REPL NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO, UM, TO CREATE TWO RESERVES IN ONE BLOCK AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
UH, ANY, UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
I'M GONNA NEED ANOTHER MOTION.
SO WE WE'RE NOT REZONING THIS, WE'RE JUST APPROVING A PLA, IS THAT RIGHT? YES.
WHAT'S THE, WHAT IS IT CURRENTLY ZONED FOR GENERAL COMMERCIAL? YEAH.
I BELIEVE IT'S LIVABLE CENTERS CURRENTLY ON THE ZONING MAP, WHICH IS A, UH, IT'S A MIXED USE, BUT THAT'S NOT, THAT HASN'T CHANGED.
WE ARE GONNA ADDRESS THE ZONING TONIGHT ON A DISCUSSION ON A, ON A LATER ITEM, BUT FOR NOW, THIS IS MERELY THE PLAT.
THIS IS, AGAIN, A REPL OF SOMETHING THAT WAS ALREADY DONE, BASICALLY TO CONSOLIDATE THE LOTS.
THIS, UM, REFINES THAT MAKES SURE THAT THE, UH, THE EASEMENTS ARE KIND OF CLEANED UP A BIT.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THAT ACCESS, UH, OR THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR LONE STAR, WHICH IS THE, THE, UH, EAST TO WEST ON THE NORTHERN THIRD OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS DOES.
IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ZONING AT THIS STAGE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE TIME OR NOT, I SHOULD WAIT TILL LATER, BUT DO WE REALLY WANT TO DUMP MORE TRAFFIC ON GARTH ROAD, MOVE LONE STAR ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE MALL PROPERTY LOT AND HAVE IT COME OUT ON GARTH AND DUMP MORE TRAFFIC YEARS? THE, SO, UH, UH, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
I THINK THAT CONVERSATION IS GONNA KIND OF COME LATER ON IN THE PROCESS FOR NOW THAT, UH, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THAT IS ON OUR, UM, THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED BY A, UM, TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND IS ALSO PART OF SOME ONGOING NEGOTIATION WITH THE, THE TURS, UM, WITH THE CITY.
UM, SO THAT'S, AGAIN, AS PART OF THE PLAT, IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PLA.
I'D LIKE TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL.
CONSIDER APPROVING THE
I'LL ASK BEST STAFF TO SUMMARIZE THE ITEM.
YOU HAVE SEEN THIS LAST MONTH ON, UH, SUBDIVISION VARIANCE FOR RESERVE B TO HAVE NO FRONTAGE ON PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AND TODAY THEY'RE COMING FOR THEIR FINAL PLA.
AND THERE, UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THREE RESERVES.
ONE IS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL RESERVE, RESERVE, A, RESERVE B IS FOR, UH, COMMERCIAL RESERVE THAT DOES NOT, THAT HAVE THE 24 FOOT WIDE ACCESS, UH, TO NEITHER POINT ROAD AND RESERVE.
C AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? MOVE FOR APPROVAL.
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ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER MAKING RECOMMENDATION CONCERNING A REQUEST TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO REONE APPROXIMATELY 0.32 ACRES AT 6 4 27 BAYWAY DRIVE FROM URBAN RE RESIDENTIAL TO MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, ZONING DISTRICT.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN AND THE COMMISSIONER, UH, TIM CHI HERE AGAIN WITH THE CITY'S, UH, PLANNING THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
HERE WE HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT AND THIS ONE IS FOR
THE SUBJECT SIDE IS, IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWESTERN CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF BAYWAY DRIVE AND THE WEAVER AVENUE AT 6 4 2 7 BAYWAY DRIVE.
THE SITE IS CURRENTLY VACANT AND UNDEVELOPED.
THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, SOUTH AND THE EAST ARE ZONED MIXED USED NEIGHBORHOOD MUM.
AND THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST IS ZONED AR ALTERNATIVE RESIDENTIAL.
THE SURROUNDING AREAS CONTAIN RESIDENTIAL UNITS, OFFICES, VEHICLE SERVICES, AND THE STORAGE AND THE STORAGE FOR VEHICLES.
HERE'S A PICTURE OF, UH, LADDER VACANT LOT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO CHANGE THE ZONING ON THIS APPROXIMATELY 0.32 ACRES.
PROPERTY FROM URBAN RESIDENTIAL UR TO, UH, MIX USE NEIGHBORHOOD MUN ZONING DISTRICT, THE BAYTOWN 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CITY'S CURRENT ZONING AND THE BAYWAY DRIVE CORRIDOR PLAN WERE USED IN THE REVIEW OF THIS PROPOSAL.
AND EVERYTHING IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THIS DOCUMENTS.
OH, THERE, IT'S NOW ME TO GO THROUGH THIS, UH, THREE MAPS HERE JUST FOR THIS PAGE.
UH, WE DO HAVE SOMEONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
MR. UH, TOM CAPEL IS, UH, SIGNED, SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
UH, ONCE AGAIN, I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS GONNA SPEAK BEFORE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE I THOUGHT IT WAS, IT WAS GONNA BE HIM AND HIM AND MYSELF.
BUT ANYWAY, THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY HERE I BOUGHT BECAUSE I USED TO LIVE ON BAYWAY DRIVE, RIGHT ON THE WATER.
THEY BOUGHT SIX LOTS OUT AND I HAD A COLLECTION OF CLASSIC CARS I HAD TO SELL, WHICH I DIDN'T WANT TO DO.
UH, NOW I WANTED TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT I COULD PUT SOME MORE CARS IN.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT THIS PROPERTY FOR.
I'M GOING TO HAVE ANY KIND OF LOUD EQUIPMENT OR WHATEVER.
IT'S JUST FOR SOMETHING TO PUT CARS IN.
AND THAT'S WHY I WANT THIS PROPERTY.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? 'CAUSE COMMISSIONERS, NOPE.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS, THIS PROPERTY IS GONNA BE A NICE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I GOT GOOD BALANCE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE A POSITIVE AND THERE'LL NEVER BE A NEGATIVE.
WOULD NO ONE ELSE DESIRE TO SPEAK? I'LL CLOSE THIS PUBLIC, PUBLIC HEARING AND I'M GONNA NEED A MOTION MOVE FOR MOVE FOR APPROVAL.
OKAY, MOVING ON TO I ITEM NUMBER SIX B, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION CONCERNING A REQUEST TO AMEND THE OFFICIALS ZONING MAP TO RESIGN APPROXIMATELY 28.55 ACRES AT NINE 50 HIGH STATE HIGHWAY TO 1 46 BUSINESS FROM FREEWAY COMMERCIAL FC TO A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PUD ZONING DISTRICT.
I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK STAFF TO SUMMARIZE THE ITEM.
UM, I WANTED TO TAKE JUST A, A REAL QUICK SECOND.
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UM, THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS A DISCUSSION ITEM, BUT IT'S, THESE ARE BOTH CONCERNING, UH, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS.IT'S BEEN A MINUTE SINCE YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN ONE, SO I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A SECOND TO KIND OF REMIND EVERYBODY, UM, KIND OF HOW THE PUD WORKS AND WHAT IT'S ABOUT.
IT REALLY IS ABOUT, UM, ELEVATING A CERTAIN, UH, PROPERTY TO, TO A HIGHER LEVEL.
AND YOU CAN DO THINGS WITH A PUD THAT YOU CAN'T DO WITH NORMAL ZONING.
UM, NUMBER ONE, UM, WE CAN LOCK IN CERTAIN THINGS, UM, LIKE A SITE PLAN, ACCESS, UH, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, BUILDING MATERIALS, THINGS THAT WE CAN'T DO AS PART OF THE, THE REGULAR, UM, ZONING.
UM, BUT WE CAN ALSO MAKE CERTAIN EXCEPTIONS.
IF SOMEBODY SAYS, I DON'T WANNA DO 40 FEET HERE, I WANNA DO 30.
AND WE'LL SAY, OKAY, YOU CAN DO 30, BUT WE WANT SOMETHING EXTRA TO MAKE UP FOR THAT.
WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AS PART OF A PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO, UM, SO KEEP THAT IN MIND TONIGHT AS YOU KIND OF WALK YOUR WAY THROUGH BOTH OF THESE ITEMS. UM, AND WITH THAT, I'LL LET, UM, LAMI KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH THE, THE PROPOSAL ITSELF.
THE SUBJECT SITE, APPROXIMATELY 28.5 ACRES OF LAND, UH, IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY LIMIT AND, UM, ALSO WITHIN HARRIS COUNTY, UH, MUD, UH, 5 2 8.
AND THAT'S, UM, BOUNDED BY 1 46 FROM THE SOUTH IN 99.
AND, UH, SOUTH ALEXANDER DRIVE FROM THE NORTH SIDE AS WELL AS THE EAST SIDE.
THIS IS, UM, ON THE EAST SIDE.
THIS PROPERTY IS TEXT.PROPERTY.
ON THE WEST SIDE, THERE IS AN, UH, RAILROAD EASEMENT.
AND, UM, THIS IS A BROWNFIELD, UH, SIDE THAT IS, UM, ENCUMBERED BY, UH, 11 SWELL HEAD.
AND THIS IS A FORMER, UM, UH, PIT PITS ON ON THOSE, UM, ON THOSE DRILLING, UH, OVERLAY THAT HAPPENS ON THIS SITE.
SOME OF THOSE, UH, WELLS ARE ACTIVE, SOME ARE, UH, ABANDONED.
AND THIS SITE IS SUBJECT TO FEDERAL, UH, STATE AND LOCAL REGULATIONS IN TERMS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND THE, UH, THE PRESENCE OF CONTAMINANTS ON THIS SITE.
SO PRIOR TO ANY DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE, THE APPLICANT HAS TO SUBMIT, UH, A PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT THAT SHOWS HOW, WHAT IS THE SCOPE OF CONTAMINATION ON THE SITE, AS WELL AS HOW THEY'RE GOING TO CLEAN UP, HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DEVELOP ON THE SITE.
THIS IS SOUTH ALEXANDER, UH, DRIVE LOOKING, UH, LOOKING TO THE WEST.
THIS IS ALSO FROM SOUTH ALEXANDER.
THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY LOOKING EAST.
THIS IS FROM THE HIGHWAY 1 46.
AND THAT'S THE, UM, EXISTING, UH, PROPERTIES, UH, WEST OF THE, UM, RAILROAD EASEMENT THAT ALSO HAS SOME, UH, GAS WELLS.
THESE ARE THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SOUTH ALEXANDER DRIVE.
THEY'RE BACKING ONTO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THEY DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO, UH, SOUTH ALEXANDER.
OCCASIONALLY YOU WILL FIND ONE DRIVEWAY HERE AND THERE, BUT, UH, THEY DO HAVE ACCESS FROM, UH, SOUTH CIRCLE DRIVE, AS WELL AS PARK WAY DRIVE THE FUTURE LAND USE.
UH, MAP DESIGNATES THE SUBJECT SITE FOR LARGE SCALE COMMERCIAL, WHICH ALLOWS FOR, UH, BIG BOX COMMERCIAL STORES, RV PARKS, AUTOMOBILE, UH, SERVICES.
AND THIS IS A RESULT OF THE NEW, UM, NEW LDC ZONING THAT WAS ADOPTED BY, UH, CITY COUNCIL LAST WEEK.
THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE IS ZONED FREEWAY COMMERCIAL.
UH, ACCORDING TO THE NEW CODE, FREEWAY COMMERCIAL ALLOWS, UH, MORE INTENSE USES THAN THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING
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DISTRICT.THINGS LIKE, UH, TRUCK PARKING IS LIMITED IN FREEWAY COMMERCIAL, UH, TRUCK RENTAL, UH, REPAIR, UM, USE ARE PERMITTED IN FREEWAY COMMERCIAL.
THIS IS THE SUBJECT, UH, SITE PLAN.
THE PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE NOW, YOU'LL SEE THOSE RED CIRCLES, UH, ARE THE SETBACKS FROM THOSE EXISTING GAS WELL HEADS, WHICH, UM, IT'S, IT'S A SETBACK FOR ANY CONSTRUCTION THAT GOES ON THIS SITE RIGHT NOW.
THE SUBJECT, UM, PROPOSAL HAS FOUR CONTRACTORS SHOPS, EACH HAS 7,500 SQUARE FEET IN BUILDING AREAS WITH OUTDOOR STORAGE AND ONE WAREHOUSE, UM, BUILDING WITH 142,000 SQUARE FEET IN BUILDING AREA.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A PASSENGER ONLY ACCESS FROM SOUTH ALEXANDER, EVEN THOUGH SOUTH ALEXANDER IS A TRUCK ROUTE.
TWO TRUCK ACCESS POINTS ARE GOING TO, UH, TO BE COMING FROM THE, UH, 1 46.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 25 FEET WIDE OF SCREENING ALONG THOSE THREE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES AND 35 FEET ALONG SOUTH ALEXANDER DRIVE, INCLUDING THE PRESERVATION OF SOME OF THE EXISTING TREES.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING TO HAVE TWO DETENTION PONDS AND A, UH, MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET WIDE, UH, SIDEWALK ALONG ALEXANDER DRIVE.
AND THAT'S THE, UH, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THAT I EXPLAINED, UM, FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE CROSS SECTION FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, YOU'LL, UM, THE APPLICANT WILL MAINTAIN SOME OF THE EXISTING TREES, UH, ALONG THE SOUTH ALEXANDER DRIVE, AS WELL AS ADDING, UH, SOME, UH, STREETSCAPING TO CONTINUE WITH 30 FOOT OF, UH, SCREENING ON, UH, SOUTH ALEXANDER.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING TO HAVE OPEN SPACES ON SITE THAT GOES ABOVE, UH, AND BEYOND THE FC ZONING DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS AND SOME ENHANCED, UH, ARCHITECTURE AS WELL, SO THAT THIS IS THE ELEVATION ON THE, UM, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
I SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING TO HAVE BEDO ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
SO THIS WILL LISTEN THE IMPACT OF WAREHOUSE ACTIVITIES ON THE NEIGHBORING, UH, PROPERTIES ACROSS, UH, SOUTH ALEXANDER.
SO YOU'LL SEE ONLY A BLANK WALL ON THE OTHER SIDE WITH SOME ARTICULATION, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, EXIT DOORS ONLY.
SO THAT'S THE ELEVATION ON, UH, SOUTH ALEXANDER, AND THIS IS THE ELEVATION ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT'S FROM THE SOUTH, UH, SIDE AS WELL.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM FREEWAY COMMERCIAL TO PUD.
AND NOW THAT THE PUD, UH, IS A ZONING DISTRICT ON ITS OWN, HOWEVER, IT DOES CONFORM TO A BASE, UH, ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE FREEWAY COMMERCIAL.
THE PUD ALLOWS, AS MARTIN HAS SAID, THE, UH, ALLOWS CITY TO LOCK IN A SITE PLAN TO THE, UM, TO, TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE COMMISSION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH WE INCLUDE SOME SCREENING AND RESTRICTED ACCESS ON, UM, SOUTH ALEXANDER.
HOWEVER, IT ALSO ALLOWS SOME FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF THE USES, UH, AS WELL AS WE INTRODUCED THE WAREHOUSE ONLY, UH, ON THIS PDU FOR FREEWAY COMMERCIAL.
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SO, UM, WITH THIS CONTAMINATED SITE AND THE REUSE OF THIS BROWNFIELD SIDE SITE, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, UH, WITH THESE CONDITIONS THAT WE MENTIONED ON THE SCREEN.WE ARE GOING TO, UH, MEMORIALIZE THE SITE PLAN TO THESE, UM, USES, WHICH IS THE, UH, CONTRACTOR SHOP WITH OUTDOOR STORAGE AND A WAREHOUSE WITH THIS MUCH BUILDING AREA, A 24 FOOT WIDE PASSENGER VEHICLE ONLY ACCESS FROM SOUTH ALEXANDER AND TWO 30 FOOT WIDE TRUCK ACCESS POINTS FROM, UH, 1 46, A MINIMUM OF FIVE FOOT WIDE SIDE, UH, WALK ALONG, UH, ALEXANDER DRIVE, AND ALSO THE, AS PART OF THE EXTENSIVE, UH, SCREENING OF ACTIVITIES FOR THE WAREHOUSE, WE ARE PROPOSING AN INCREASED, UH, SCREENING ON, UH, SOUTH ALEXANDER.
THEN THE OTHER PROPERTY BOUNDARIES IS, UH, ALSO AS, UM, AS YOU'VE SEEN ON THE RENDERING, UH, SOME, UH, ARCHITECTURAL, UH, ARTICULATION FOR ALL BUILDINGS AND THE TWO DETENTION PONDS AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THIS, UH, PROPOSAL.
AND, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S AWARE.
WE, WE DID RECENTLY GO THROUGH THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WAREHOUSES AND FC, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S CLEAR, FC AS IT STANDS, DOES NOT ALLOW FOR WAREHOUSES.
THE PUD ITSELF IS WHAT IS BEING ASKED FOR THAT WOULD ALLOW THIS ONE WAREHOUSE ON THIS ONE SITE.
SO AS YOU LOOK AT IT, THINK ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF THE SITE AND WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SITE, NOT FOR FC ZONE OR SOME OTHER PLACE IN TOWN.
SO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S REAL CLEAR.
ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? THANK YOU, NICK.
OKAY, SO THE FIRST PERSON, I HONESTLY CAN'T READ THIS, I THINK IT SAYS ALLEN AND IT'S NOT THE LAST NAME.
CAN YOU READ THAT ALI? UH, HELLO EVERYONE.
HI, MY NAME IS ALEEM, UH, ADDRESS.
AND YOUR LAST NAME, SIR? ALI MERIDIA.
CAN YOU SPELL THAT? M-A-R-E-D-I-A.
AND CAN YOU STATE YOUR ADDRESS AS WELL? SURE.
UH, MY ADDRESS IS FIVE 19 SOMERSET DRIVE, SUGARLAND, TEXAS 7 7 4 7 9.
UH, SO WE WERE PLANNING ON DOING A COMMERCIAL SITE ON THIS LAND, BUT AFTER A LOT OF MARKET RESEARCH AND A LOT OF GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH OTHER DEVELOPERS AND OTHER PEOPLE, WE WERE NOT GETTING ENOUGH TRACTION.
AND PRIMARILY THE CAUSE WAS THE WEALTHS.
UH, THAT'S, THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST DRAWBACKS FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.
UH, AND THEN THE ECONOMY TOOK A TURN AND WE HAD, BASICALLY THE SUBTRACTION WE HAD WAS KIND OF GONE BECAUSE OF THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION HAS JUST GONE WAY ABOVE WITH, AS ALONG WITH THE INTEREST RATES.
SO AFTER THAT, WE, WE, ME AND DANIEL, WE BASICALLY CAME UP WITH PLAN TO STILL DO SOMETHING WITH THIS PROPERTY.
AND WE HAD, UH, WE HAD A PERSON WHO WAS INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING THIS SITE, AND THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ACTUALLY CAME UP WITH THIS, UH, PROPOSED PLAN.
RIGHT NOW, AS WE CURRENTLY INHERITED THIS PROPERTY, WE GOT A LOT OF OIL AND GAS, WHICH, UH, WAS KIND OF IN HINDSIGHT, WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT A LOT OF THAT ACTIVITY WAS THERE AND WE KIND OF DUG IN AND KIND OF FOUND OUT, UH, BUT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF MAKE THIS PROPERTY A LOT MORE THAN WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW.
AND DANIEL, I CAN'T READ YOUR LAST NAME EITHER.
THAT'S, THAT'S MY POOR HANDWRITING.
I'M, UH, DO YOU SPELL THAT? D-E-H-A-R-T.
UH, DO YOU NEED MY ADDRESS OR, I THINK IT'S ON THERE.
JUST STATE YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE.
OH 1 0 3 9 2 BRYAN FOREST, HOUSTON, TEXAS.
SO, UM, I'M LAND BROKER REPRESENTING THE SELLER.
UH, WE STARTED WORKING ON THIS PROPERTY LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE,
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NOVEMBER.UM, AND OUR GOAL WAS TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING AND ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING ON THIS PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO EVERYBODY.
AND THE FIRST THING THAT WE DID WAS WE MET WITH THE CITY STAFF TO TRY AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WE COULD ACCOMPLISH ON THE PROPERTY.
AND OUR GOAL ON THE ONSET WAS TO TRY TO FIND SOME USES THAT FELL WITHIN THE, UH, ZONING THAT WAS ESTABLISHED FOR THE PROPERTY.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE KNEW THAT NEW O-C-U-O-C WAS COMING, SO WE, WE WERE WORKING TOWARDS THAT.
UM, AND KIND OF LIKE A LEAN COVERED, UH, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE KIND OF RAN INTO WITH, WITH ALTERNATIVE USES.
UM, JUST, JUST BEING THE METRICS THAT MOST OTHER USERS WOULD, WOULD USE.
UH, HOUSEHOLD POPULATION DENSITY IN THE AREA.
UM, ALL THE, ALL THE PRIMARY DRIVERS CARS PER DAY ON THE FRONT END.
THOSE THINGS WEREN'T REALLY, THAT WAS A HARDSHIP ON FINDING AN ADEQUATE ALTERNATIVE USE, BUT ALSO WELLHEADS JUST MADE PLANNING, SITE PLANNING VERY, VERY DIFFICULT ON THE PROPERTY FOR ANYBODY THAT WE DID FIND OF INTEREST.
SO, UM, LUCKILY ENOUGH WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH CURRENT USERS WHO ARE, UM, FROM, FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE, AND FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO HEAR, HAVE, HAVE BEEN VERY FOCUSED ON COLLABORATING WITH THE CITY ON FINDING SITE PLANS THAT WORK ON THE WHOLE, THAT THAT CAN BE SUPPORTED TO THE CITY AS WELL.
UM, AND I THINK ON THE ONSET THEY REACHED OUT TO THE CITY AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I WASN'T THERE FOR THE CONVERSATION, BUT FROM WHAT I HEAR FROM THEM IS, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE TREE BARRIERS AROUND THE OUTSIDE, AROUND THE WHOLE PERIMETER AND, UH, MAKING SURE TRAFFIC FLOW REMAINS ON GRAND PARKWAY.
UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH ON THE SITE.
HOPEFULLY THROUGH THIS PROCESS WE WERE ABLE TO FIND A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE PROJECT THAT'S SUPPORTIVE TO THE COMMUNITY.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR HIM.
SO YOU, YOU HAVEN'T TOLD US WHAT ACTUALLY IS GONNA BE THE BUSINESS THAT'S GONNA BE GOING ON IN THIS WAREHOUSE.
IT'S A COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE AND YOU HAVE TRUCKS COMING AND GOING.
WHAT IS THE BUSINESS AND WHAT ARE THOSE TRUCKS GONNA BE CARRYING AND ARE THEY GONNA OPERATE 24 7? UM, I'M CALEB JONES, 1920 MCKINNEY AVENUE IN DALLAS, TEXAS.
UH, I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT, UH, I WORK FOR SOMONT FINANCIAL GROUP.
WE ARE A, UM, PRIMARILY AN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPER THAT IS BASED OUT OF ATLANTA.
WE HAVE OFFICES THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES WITH OUR TEXAS OFFICE IN DALLAS, WHICH IS WHERE I SIT.
UM, WE HAVE OPERATIONS THROUGHOUT HOUSTON, UM, ALL THROUGHOUT TEXAS.
AND MY PRIMARY GOAL IS TO FOCUS IN TEXAS.
UM, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC USER AT THIS POINT, BUT WE DO HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH TENANTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
UM, WE HAVE MULTIPLE OPERATIONS THROUGHOUT HOUSTON AREA, UM, AND HAVE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS AS LEASE EXPIRES, AND THEY NEED NEW SPACES.
WE CAN ALWAYS FIND ANOTHER ONE.
WE ARE PRIMARILY A SPEC INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPER.
UM, WE DO HAVE GROUPS THAT WE DO GOLD SUITS FOR AS WELL, SUCH AS WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS, INDUSTRIAL AND WAREHOUSING, UM, OUTDOOR STORAGE.
WE'RE GONNA BE STORING HAZARDOUS MATERIAL ON THESE THINGS.
UH, IT, IT IS POSSIBLE, BUT, UH, THAT CAN BE WRITTEN TO THE CODE AND, UM, WE CAN NEGOTIATE ON THAT AS WELL.
SO YOU DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TRAFFIC COMING AND GOING 24 7? UH, NOT THAT IT'S A PROBLEM ON 1 46, BUT YOU DO HAVE A RESIDENTIAL AREA BEHIND IT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
UM, I, I OBVIOUSLY COULDN'T GUARANTEE THAT AT THE TIME WITH, WE DON'T KNOW THE TENANT.
UM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ALSO LOOK INTO.
WOULD THIS, WOULD THIS BE LIKE HOUSING THREE PLS, LIKE A TERMINAL TRUCKING COMING AND GOING? THAT'S RIGHT.
SO THE, THE 142,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE WOULD BE, UM, MORE ALIGNED TOWARDS ATTRACTING A TENANT SUCH AS THAT THE CONTRACTOR'S WAREHOUSES ARE MORE FOR KINDA YOUR MOM AND POP SHOPS, SMALL BUSINESSES, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LANDSCAPING GUY OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE WHO NEEDS A SMALL LITTLE OFFICE, A MAINTENANCE FACILITY AND SOME, SOME YARD STORAGE FOR THE EQUIPMENT MATERIALS, BUT MORE SO PROBABLY GEARED TOWARDS REPAIR SHOPS FOR, UH, 18 WHEELERS, POSSIBLY A WASH STORAGE TANK, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
UM, AND THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY.
UH, AS I HEARD, IF I HEARD IT CORRECTLY, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CLEAN UP THE SITE, UH, LIKE THE OLD WELLS.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YEAH, SO WE, UH, WE'VE ALREADY HAD DONE A PHASE ONE ON SITE BY PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT.
UH, WHAT IS THAT HAS TOLD US IS THAT A PHASE TWO IS RECOMMENDED.
THE PHASE TWO WOULD, WILL THEN TELL US WHAT EXACTLY NEEDS TO BE DONE TO CLEAN UP THE SITE.
SO IT'S, IT'S PRETTY MUCH BEEN DETERMINED THAT THERE IS SOME SORT OF CONTAMINATION OR SUSPECTED CONTAMINATION.
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CONTAMINATION IS.UM, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE YET.
THAT'S A PART OF OUR DUE DILIGENCE RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS INFO ON, OR NO.
I GUESS JUST TO, AGAIN, KIND OF ADD ON TO RICK'S, LIKE IF WE APPROVE SOMETHING TO THIS EFFECT AND THERE WAS CONTAMINATION THAT WAS NOT CLEANED UP OR LATER ON INDIVIDUALS BECAME SICK OR SOMETHING, IT CANNOT COME BACK TO THE CITY AT ALL.
WELL, IT, IT'S A, THAT'S A STATE LEVEL, UM, REGULATION, AND SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO THE STATE ON THAT.
UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, ENGINEERING COULD SHED ANY MORE LIGHT ON THAT.
I'M GETTING ONE'S SHAKING SIDE.
SO BEFORE YOU BUILD ON ANYTHING, IF YOU HAVE ANY CONTAMINATION FROM A DRY CLEANER, SOMETHING SMALL, LIKE A DRY CLEANER TO SOMETHING ON THIS LARGE SCALE, UM, UM, THEY'LL COME OUT, YOU HAVE TO DO THE SOIL SAMPLE, THE WATER SAMPLE, DIG THE TANKS UP, THEY'LL TELL YOU IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE TANKS REMOVED OR NOT, AND THEN THEY COME BACK OUT AND RETEST THE WATER AND RETEST THE SOIL TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAN BEFORE YOU BUILD.
AND, AND I'M NOT, IF THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION, I'M NOT AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WILL FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE GIVEN TO US BY OUR CONSULTANT.
AND I CAN ALSO TELL THAT, UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO CLOSE ON A LOAN UNTIL THOSE ARE DONE.
MARTIN, IF WE, UM, IF WE RECOMMEND THIS PUD AS IS, DOES IT ALLOW THEM TO HAVE ANY HAZARDOUS MATERIALS IN THOSE FACILITIES? I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING IN THE PUD THAT, UM, THAT PROHIBITS THAT, BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO ADD TO IT, YOU COULD MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
AS OF RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE, THE UNDERLYING ZONING WOULD F DOES FC UH, FC DOES NOT ALLOW HAZARDOUS UH, MATERIALS.
IT DOES NOT ALLOW WAREHOUSES, UH, ANYWAY, BUT, UH, WITH THESE CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WE CAN ADD A CONDITION THAT HAZARDOUS MATERIALS ARE NOT, UH, ALLOWED TO BE STORED IN THIS WAREHOUSE.
SO HAZARDOUS MATERIALS A PRETTY BROAD CATEGORY.
A GASOLINE CAN, ONE GALLON GASOLINE CAN IS HAZARDOUS MATERIAL, PARTICULARLY IF IT SPILLS AND GET INTO A GROUNDWATER.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT HAS TO BE NARROWED DOWN.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
I DON'T WANT A STORING, I DON'T WANT A HAZARDOUS FACILITY TRANSPORT SITE OVER THERE NEXT TO THAT AREA.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET HAZARDOUS MATERIALS OFF OF THAT AREA GOING THROUGH THERE ANYWAY.
BUT THAT WOULD, WE NEED TO, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE NARROWED DOWN.
IT CAN'T, CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN JUST SAY A GENERAL CLAUSE THAT WE'RE GONNA PROHIBIT HAZARD MATERIALS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT I DID DO ENVIRONMENT, I CLEANED UP 10 SUPERFUND SITES IN MY CAREER.
SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THAT THE HAZARDOUS MATERIAL CATEGORY WITH THE EPA IN THE STATE IS HUGE.
AND I, I KNOW OF AT LEAST ONE INSTANCE WHERE THEY HAD FIVE GALLONS OF GASOLINE WENT DOWN INTO A WATER SOURCE AND IT CONTAMINATED THE WHOLE SITE, AND THAT CREATED A PROBLEM.
SO I'M JUST SAYING I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT WE, THAT SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER, WE GOTTA NARROW THAT DOWN.
SO I HAVE A, I HAVE A LEGAL QUESTION IF I CAN ASK.
SO IS THE PUD PART OF THE NEW LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE, THE PUD IS PART, UH, SO THE PUD WAS ENABLED BY THE OLD CODE, AND IT IS ALSO ENABLED BY THE NEW CODE.
AND IT, THE PUD ITSELF IS WHAT IS PRESENTED IN FRONT OF YOU.
THAT THAT IS THE, AND THAT'S CURRENT LEGAL COUNSEL APPROVED ORDINANCE CODE.
I, I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE, I I'M, WELL, SO THE PUD IS GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS AS WE SPEAK.
SO, SO THE NEW LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE HASN'T BEEN APPROVED BY COUNCIL? IT HAS WHEN? LAST WEEK.
BUT I MUST HAVE SLEPT THROUGH THAT FIVE MINUTES AND I WAS OUTSIDE THE WHOLE MEETING.
BECAUSE I, IT WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THEY WEREN'T VOTING ON THAT UNTIL THE 26TH.
NO, THEY VOTED ON IT LAST THURSDAY AND IT WAS APPROVED.
I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND WATCH THAT ENTERTAINMENT.
I DIDN'T MISS COUNCILMAN LESTER'S COMMENT.
I MUST HAVE SLEPT THROUGH PART OF THAT.
AND THAT IS, I THINK THAT WE'VE BEEN VOCAL ABOUT WAREHOUSES ON THE FREEWAY, AND THIS IS JUST A WAY AROUND THE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HAD AND THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY PUT IN FREEWAY COMMERCIAL GOT PULLED OUT TO AVOID THESE SITUATIONS.
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THE PUD ASIDE FROM THE, THE FREEWAY COMMERCIAL, OUR FACE, ANYBODY THAT DRIVES THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE BACKSIDE TOO, EVEN, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NOT GONNA BE TRUCK TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH IT, UM, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS BECAUSE IT A WAREHOUSE ON OUR FREEWAY WHEN IT'S BEEN ADAMANTLY SAID, STOP DOING THAT.CAN YOU PULL THE MAP BACK UP THE LOCATION MAP? PLEASE, MA'AM.
AND WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, I HAVE A QUESTION JUST GENERALLY, UM, WE HAVE, DON'T WE HAVE, UM, RULES AND REGULATIONS? I'M SURE WE DO.
OF COURSE WE DO FOR CONTAINMENT OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, IF A TENANT COMES IN AND THEY HAVE, 'CAUSE WE HAVE IT ALL AROUND US EVERY DAY ON ALL SIDES.
SO I'M SURE WE HAVE SOME RULES FOR THAT.
SO WE, WE DO HAVE, UH, IN, UM, INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE, THAT TYPE OF REGULATION IS INCLUDED IN THERE.
IS THERE A CHEMICAL CONTAINMENT? UM, I KNOW ON HERE, IF THEY WERE GOING TO HOUSE HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY LEAK OR HOWEVER YOU WANNA SAY IT, WE SHOULD HAVE A CONTAINMENT, UM, A CONCRETE CONTAINMENT THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW A SEEPAGE INTO THE SOIL OR TO THE WASTEWATER, OR YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A WASTEWATER SUMP THAT WOULD GO TO A APPROVED FACILITY THAT WOULD CLEAN UP IN THE EVENTS OF A MISHAP.
SO, SO AGAIN, WE, WE DO HAVE THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE THAT WOULD ADDRESS SOME OF THAT.
THERE'S THE HEALTH CODE THAT'S GONNA ADDRESS OTHER PIECES OF IT, AND THEN WE HAVE THE STATE REGULATIONS AS WELL.
SO, UM, IT WOULD, IT IS NOT COVERED BY THE ZONING PER SE? NO, BUT THERE ARE OTHER REGULATIONS IN PLACE THAT WOULD COVER THIS.
SO THEY ARE REQUIRED IF THEIR STORING HAZARD MATERIAL TO PRODUCE MS D SHEETS ON THE MATERIAL AND WHAT THE MATERIAL IS AND DEPENDING ON, AND THEY HAVE, THAT'S, THAT'S STATE CODE.
YOU REMEMBER THE CROSBY FIRE WHEN THEY DIDN'T TELL YOU WHAT WAS IN THERE.
THAT IS STATE CODE AND THERE'S A THOUSAND REGULATIONS IN STATE CODE DEPENDING ON THE PARTICULAR SUBSTANCE THAT THEY'RE STORING, UH, WHETHER ORGANIC CAN OF GASOLINE OR WHATEVER.
AS TO THE CONTAINMENT, WHAT THEY GOTTA HAVE FIREPROOF DOORS, FIRE SYSTEMS, THAT'S ALL STATE CODE IN THERE.
AND IF SO, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY LEGALLY DECLARE THEIR MSDS, WHICH I THINK OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT IS PARTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE, BECAUSE THEY GO IN AND ASK FOR THOSE MSD SHEETS, MATERIAL SUBJECT SHEETS.
AND, UM, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING, THEN, THEN THE, OUR, OUR CODE, OUR BUILDING CODE PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY BUILD TO WHAT THAT STATE STANDARD IS FOR THAT SUBSTANCE.
AND IF THEY CHANGE THE SUBSTANCE, THEN THEY GOTTA CHANGE THE CONTAINMENT.
SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT HOW THEY'RE STORING THAT.
I'M, I'M WORRIED I'M, I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT A SITUATION LIKE WE HAD OVER IN CROSBY WHERE WE'RE STORING TRUCKS THAT WHEN THE POWER GOES OUT AND THEY GET TOO HOT OR TOO COLD IF THINGS START EXPLODING.
THAT'S KIND OF MORE MY CONCERN.
YEAH, YOU COULD CERTAINLY, I MEAN, I SAY YOU COULD CERTAINLY, I MEAN, I GUESS WE COULD ASK OR RECOMMEND THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE HAZARD, YOU HAVE, UH, CLASSIFICATIONS ONE THROUGH NINE, AND THEN YOU CAN SAY YOU DON'T WANT THIS OR YOU DON'T WANT THIS.
OR YOU CAN SAY YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING OVER THIS BOILING POINT OR THIS FLASH OR, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF VARIANCES, BUT THAT'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF, A LOT OF CHECKING UP ON, I MEAN, AND, AND IT'S REALLY NOT THE PURVIEW OF ZONING.
UM, YOU GET INTO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE'RE GETTING WAY TOO FAR IN THE WEEDS.
WE'RE GETTING INTO A LEVEL OF TECHNICAL ASPECT THAT, THAT NONE OF US IN THE ROOM HAVE THAT KIND OF OF EXPERTISE.
SO I, I WOULD CAUTION AWAY FROM GETTING THAT FAR IN THE WEEDS.
CAN YOU ZOOM OUT MORE PLEASE? ZOOM OUT.
THAT'S GETS, THAT'S A PICTURE.
I JUST, I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD UP THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN, UM, WITH OUR GOLF COURSE AND OUR HOTEL, AND THIS IS CATTYCORNER.
SO HOW FAR FROM THE BRIDGE IS THIS? LET'S SEE A MINUTE.
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IT'S ABOUT TWO MILES.DO YOU WANNA BRING UP THE, THE, THE, UH, JIS AND WE CAN SEE THE AERIAL OF THE ENTIRE, THERE WE GO.
SO THERE, YEAH, RIGHT, RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE.
NOW CAN YOU ZOOM OUT PLEASE? MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
I, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE, THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE WITH CONSTRUCTION, FREEWAY CONSTRUCTION, SORRY.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE PIECES OF PROPERTY IN PARTS OF THE CITY THAT THERE'S GOOD FOR NOT GOOD FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO BUILD CONDOS IN HERE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUILD SCHOOL ON IT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUILD APARTMENTS ON IT.
AND IF IT'S, AND IT, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE FACADE FACING I 10 THAT'S GOING IN THAT AREA.
MY CONCERN WOULD BE MORE WHAT DOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD THINK ABOUT THIS GOING IN? DOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD HA AND DID WE, HAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD? DID WE CON AND OTHER THAN JUST POSTING A PUBLIC HEARING THAT IN THE BAYTOWN SUN THAT, YOU KNOW, 20 PEOPLE READ, I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY ENOUGH COVERAGE.
HAVE WE HAVE, WE CANVASED THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE SENT OUT NOTICES WITHIN 300 FEET, UH, RADIUS OF THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES.
SO, UM, ABOUT THIS MUCH, WE'RE CALLING THIS FROM HERE, ONE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES.
UM, SO THAT'S ABOUT, UH, ABOUT THOSE PROPERTIES ON, UH, SOUTH CIRCLE DRIVE FROM EACH POINT OF THIS PROPERTY.
SO, UM, THAT'S THE BOUNDARY, 300 FEET FROM EACH POINT.
SO IT PRETTY MUCH, UM, COVERED THOSE.
UM, BACKING ONTO THE RIGHT OF WAY, APPARENTLY WE DO HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
SO I'M ASK HER IF THE CHAIR'S OKAY WITH, UM, YES.
DID, DID, UH, I DON'T THINK RICKY DIDN'T OFFICIALLY, UM, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING YET.
IN FACT, WE HAVE SOMEONE ELSE THAT OKAY.
AND YOU HAVE TO PUT YOUR NAME ON IT FOREVER.
WELL, WHILE SHE'S DOING THAT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE MY COMMENT TO, TO MIKE'S POINT, UM, I AGREE THAT, UM, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EACH INDIVIDUAL LAND AS WHAT IT CAN BE.
WAREHOUSING IS PART OF THAT INDUSTRIAL NEED.
IF YOU HOOK A RIGHT AND GO AROUND GRAND PARKWAY, IT IS NOTHING BUT WAREHOUSES ALL THE WAY TO I 10.
SO THIS IS KIND OF JUST AN EXTENSION A LITTLE BIT SOUTH OF THAT.
SO THAT DOESN'T SCARE ME AT ALL.
UM, AS FAR AS THE NEIGHBORS, THEY'RE FACING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
THERE'S A ROW THAT I'M NOT OVERLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT I JUST WOULD SAY, UM, BE MINDFUL THAT WE ARE TRYING TO BRING UP THE AESTHETICS OF WHAT WE DO.
AND SO WE WOULD, I MEAN, I PERSONALLY HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THE WAREHOUSE.
IF THE WAREHOUSE DEVELOPER REALLY LEANS INTO LET'S MAKE THIS THE PRETTIEST THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN FOR INDUSTRY.
AND WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO LIKE PUT A PINK BOW ON IT, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT WE, WE APPRECIATE THE LANDSCAPING, WE APPRECIATE ALL THAT.
MY BIGGEST QUESTION WAS THIS SIDEWALK LEADING TO NOWHERE.
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR A SIDEWALK THERE, AND I JUST DIDN'T, I MEAN, JUST, JUST IN FRONT OF THE, I I WAS JUST CONFUSED BY THE SIDEWALK.
LIKE IT WOULDN'T GO ANYWHERE NORTH OR SOUTH OR EAST OR WEST.
AND JUST RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT, I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS KIND OF STRANGE, LIKE WHERE YOU COULD PUT MAYBE SOME NICER LANDSCAPING OR SOMETHING VERSUS A SIDEWALK.
I JUST THOUGHT THE SIDEWALK KIND OF THREW ME A LITTLE BIT.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I UNDERSTAND THE LIMITATIONS OF THE PROPERTY.
I UNDERSTAND IF I OWN THE PROPERTY, I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY TO DEVELOP SOMETHING ON IT.
SO I, UM, I'LL BE VOTING FOR IT.
MY, UM, I THINK THAT I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SIDEWALK.
I THINK THE SIDEWALK, IF YOU BUILD SOMETHING, PEOPLE ARE UP AND DOWN THAT, THAT STREET AND THERE'S NOT MUCH OF A SIDEWALK RIGHT NOW.
AND IF YOU CROSS THE STREET, THERE IS A SIDEWALK NOT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT FOLLOWS ALL THE WAY IN ALEXANDER, BUT I BELIEVE IT STARTS AT SOUTH
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SEVENTH IS WHERE IT STARTS AND IT GOES DOWN.THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD WELCOME BECAUSE IT WOULD GIVE A SIDEWALK TO THAT PARK THAT DOESN'T HAVE ONE.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC AND BICYCLE TRAFFIC ON SOUTH ALEXANDER.
UM, I, I KNOW THAT IF I, I DON'T, I'M KIND OF WITH KIM ON THIS, UM, BUT I ALSO REALIZE THERE WON'T BE ANYTHING GOING IN THERE.
THE, THE PRICE TO GET THIS PLACE CLEANED UP AND THEN YOU PUT YOUR NAME ON IT AND IT GOES TO CONROE FOREVER AND EVER.
AND YOUR NAME'S ATTACHED TO IT.
IT IS, IS A CHALLENGING, IT'S CHALLENGING, IT'S A CHALLENGING DECISION.
BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A COMMUNITY THAT BOUGHT THEIR HOUSES THERE A LONG TIME AGO AND HAVE KIDS THAT LIVE THERE, THERE, BECAUSE I RIDE MY BIKE THROUGH THERE ALL THE TIME AND THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS IN THERE AND, AND MAYBE MY CONSCIOUS OF KNOWING THAT THERE COULD BE THINGS THAT, THAT GO THROUGH THERE, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE ONLY PASSENGER CARS COMING IN, BUT HOW MANY ARE GONNA COMING IN? AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT THAT STREET IS WIDE ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC FOR PASSENGER CARS COMING IN THE OTHER SIDE, THE TRAILERS, YOU KNOW, AT THE 18 WHEELERS, THAT'S FINE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE OTHER, THAT SOUTH ALEXANDER'S MADE TO HANDLE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT THIS COULD POTENTIALLY BUILD ON AND CAUSE UM, THAT, THAT KIND OF STRESS ON THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
PART OF THE, UM, THIS PUD, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ASSESSMENT, UM, TO, AND, AND GIVE US THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF WHETHER MAYBE THERE, THERE WILL BE MAYBE A DEACCELERATION, UH, LANE ON SOUTH ALEXANDER OR MAYBE SOMETHING ELSE.
HOW THE, THE ABOUT THE, THE NUMBER OF TRAFFICS COMING IN AND OUT FROM THOSE WAYS.
I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, WHAT IS THAT STREET ON MASSEY TOMPKINS? WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION AND IT WAS OKAY, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE REALITY IS THAT MAYBE IT'S NOT OKAY.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THE, I I JUST, I'M DOWN THERE NOW IF I DON'T LIVE IN THAT COMMUNITY, I LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY A COUPLE COMMUNITIES OVER, BUT I'M DOWN THAT THAT ROAD A LOT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS THERE.
WOULD IT BE FEASIBLE THAT WE CAN APPROVE THIS, UM, WITH AN EXCLUSION THAT THERE CANNOT BE ANY 18 WHEELER TRAFFIC OUT ON SOUTH ALEXANDRA SIDE? I DON'T THINK THERE IS ONLY TO CARS.
THEY'RE ALREADY MAKING THAT COMMITMENT IN THE PUD ITSELF.
AND HAS THERE BEEN A TRAFFIC STUDY ON THERE THAT THEY CAN HANDLE THE TRAFFIC? THAT WE KNOW THAT THAT WILL HAPPEN LATER IN THE PROCESS AND THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON SOUTH ALEXANDER.
I, I'D GO UP AND DOWN THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, A PLUS SIDE OF THIS AND, AND I'M WITH
AND THIS IS JUST, THIS IS, THIS IS ABOUT THE FOREST DOWN THAT PIECE OF LAND THAT I WOULD BE TO GO.
'CAUSE THE SCHOOL'S RIGHT THERE.
AND YOU'RE STARTING GETTING SOME OTHER AREAS.
YEAH, TWO OF 'EM, HOWEVER, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUILD HOUSES ON.
NOW A PLUS SIDE THAT MAY COME OUT OF THIS IS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY.
I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL KNOW WHAT THAT ENTAILS.
THAT'S A LOT OF DRILLING AND A LOT OF SAMPLING.
SO THERE HAS BEEN CONTAMINATION
AND IF THEY FIND IT, DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT CONTAMINATION IS, THIS WHOLE PROJECT MAY BE OFF THE MAPS ANYWAY BECAUSE THE CLEANUP'S GONNA BE WAY MORE WORTH THAN WHAT ANY PROPERTY'S GONNA BE.
I DON'T ANYBODY REMEMBER THAT THEY WERE GONNA BUILD A RESIDENCE OUT THERE AND YOU AIN'T NEVER SEEN THAT OUT THERE.
'CAUSE THE HIGHLAND ACID PITS WERE FOUND OUT THERE IN VILLAGE.
SO THAT MAY BE A PLUS IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT OUT THERE AND YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S IN THAT GROUND, YOU'RE FIXING TO FIND OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT STUDY IN THE PROCESS.
UM, I WOULD BE WILLING TO SUPPORT THAT WITH SOME CONDITIONS ABOUT HOW THE FACILITY LOOKS, HOW THE SOUND BUFFERS ARE IN THAT PROCESS.
I WILL TELL YOU NOW, I WILL NOT SUPPORT ANY MORE WAREHOUSE CONSTRUCTIONS FURTHER ON DOWN THAT STREET GOING INTO ALEXANDER.
AND I'M THE ONE THAT'S BEEN PUSHING FOR ALEXANDER BEING IMPROVED AND BEEFED UP.
UM, BUT OTHERWISE YOU'RE JUST GONNA HAVE A, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A PIECE OF LAND HERE THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S UNDER IT.
IT COULD BE CONTAMINATED AND YOU'RE JUST NOT GONNA BUILD ANYTHING ELSE.
I AM DYING TO HEAR FROM THE RESIDENT.
I LIVE AT 9 0 4 SOUTH CIRCLE DRIVE.
I'M HERE REPRESENTING SOME OF THE OTHER OWNERS ON THAT STREET, MY GARAGE THAT I PARKED MY CAR IN EVERY DAY, FACES SOUTH, UH, ALEXANDER DRIVE.
I GO IN AND OUT THAT STREET RIGHT NOW, IT IS ZONED SO THAT 18 WHEELERS CAN GO UP AND DOWN THAT STREET THAT IT IS SO BUSY WITH THEM NOW THAT
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ALL MY WINDOWS SHAKE IN MY HOUSE, MY HOUSE SHAKES.AND IF WE'RE GONNA ADD MORE TRAFFIC LIKE THAT, IT'S GONNA RUIN ALL OF OUR HOUSES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
ARE THEY GONNA PUT ANOTHER STREET IN WHERE THE RAILROAD TRACKS ARE FOR THOSE OTHER FOUR BUSINESSES? NO.
HOW ARE THEY GOING TO GET TO THOSE BUSINESSES? SO THEY'RE FROM HERE, THIS IS 1 46 AND THEY'RE TAKING ACCESS FROM, FROM THERE.
SO THE LAMI CAN JUST SPEAK IN THE MICROPHONE SO EVERYBODY CAN HEAR YOU.
SO, UM, THERE IS AN INTERNAL, UM, UH, INTERNAL DRIVEWAYS INTERNAL TO THE SITE FROM 1 46 YOU CAN ACCESS, UM, WITH THE TRUCK FROM HERE, GOING TO THOSE BAY DOORS AND COMING OUT THIS WAY, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU CAN, UM, ENTER THE SITE FROM 1 46 YOU CAN ENTER AND EXIT.
AND ALSO THE CONTRACTOR SHOPS DO HAVE, UM, A LANE HERE THAT OPENS TO THOSE CONTRACTORS SHOP AND THE OUTDOOR STORAGE FOR THOSE CONTRACTORS SHOPS ARE GOING IN THE FRONT BECAUSE OF THOSE WELLHEADS SETBACKS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO, UH, BE MINDFUL OF.
UM, BUT THIS AXIS IS ONLY FOR PASSENGER VEHICLES, ESSENTIALLY YOUR EMPLOYEES DOWN, ARE THEY GONNA PUT ANYTHING UP FOR LIKE, SOUND, LIKE A, THE BRICK WALL OR WHATEVER THAT WOULD STOP SOME, SOME OF THE NOISE AND EVERYTHING FROM ALL THAT TRAFFIC THEY'RE GONNA BE HAVING AT THAT WAREHOUSE? SO RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO KEEP THE EXISTING, UM, EXISTING VEGETATIVE, UH, VEGETATION ON SOUTH ALEXANDER BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE LONGER TO GROW THE TREES, A NEW TREES.
SO ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM CITY STAFF IS TO KEEP PORTION OF THOSE EXISTING VEGETATIVE AND ADD TO IT, BUT IT COULD BE AN OPTION FOR, FOR THE APPLICANT AS WELL TO INCLUDE A, UM, LIKE A RETAINING WALL.
HOWEVER, THE, UM, I ALSO PRESENTED HERE LIKE THIS IS GOING TO BE KIND OF THE RETAINING WALL FOR ALL THE ACTIVITIES BECAUSE THIS IS THE, THE NORTH ELEVATION IS WHAT FACES THE, UM, THE, UH, SOUTH ALEXANDER SIDE.
THIS IS WHERE THE OTHER ACTIVITIES ARE.
SO THE OTHER ACTIVITIES ARE GOING ON THE SIDE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND THAT'S PART OF THE CONDITIONS THAT ALL BAY DOORS FOR THIS WAREHOUSING BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, NOT THE NORTH SIDE.
THIS IS ONLY A, UM, A FIRE LANE THAT GOES AROUND THE BUILDING JUST FOR FIRE.
SO THERE'S NOT A A, A SOUND BARRIER WALL ON THE ALEXANDRA SIDE? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? JUST THE, JUST THE LANDSCAPING.
JUST THE LANDSCAPING IS PROPOSED NOW, BUT I THINK LAMI IS, UM, UM, I THINK POINT WAS THAT THE BUILDING ITSELF IS GOING TO KIND OF SERVE AS A, A LARGE BARRIER TO ANY OF THE SOUND THAT'S HAPPENING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
ALL YOU'RE GONNA GET ON THE SIDES, THERE'S SOME PARKING FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, EMPLOYEE PARKING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT ALL THE REAL, ALL THE REAL INTENSIVE STUFF IS GONNA TAKE CARE, UH, TAKE PLACE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
SOMETHING ELSE I'D LIKE TO BRING UP IN RESPONSE TO THE RESIDENTS AROUND THERE, IF IT'S GONNA BE LIKE A THREE PL WHICH IS, UM, LIKE A BROKERAGE BRAKING, UM, BULK BRAKING TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT, YOU CAN ALMOST, THAT THOSE OTHER BOARD CONTRACTORS FACILITIES ARE GOING TO BE SOMETHING RELATED MM-HMM
SO, UM, I THINK IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE GOING TO
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APPROVE, THAT WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE TIMEFRAMES THAT THEY CAN BE DOING, UM, WE DO, WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY ACTUALLY IN THE CODE TO RESTRICT, UH, HOURS OF OPERATIONS THAT WE CAN UTILIZE HERE AS WELL.THAT WAS MY COMMENT ABOUT OPERATING 24 7.
LET ME, LET ME JUST THROW THIS OUT.
WOULD IT NOT BE BENEFICIAL FOR US TO POSTPONE THIS UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING TO ALLOW THE DEVELOPER TIME TO TALK WITH CITY STAFF TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS AND COME BACK WITH SOME PROPOSALS? 'CAUSE WHAT I'M SEEING IS WE GOT SOUND, BARRY HAS MATERIALS TRAFFIC ON THE STREET, UH, NO WAREHOUSE AT ALL.
SO ARE YOU PROPOSING TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THE, THE ITEM FOR ME? YES.
IO ONLY IF WE'RE, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE, JUST TO CLARIFY, SO THE HEARING IS STILL ON, SO YES, UH, YEAH, WE ARE STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO, UM, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? JUST THERE IS NOT.
BEFORE YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND CLOSE, CLOSE THE, WELL WE, WE CAN STILL HAVE DISCUSSION.
I JUST WANNA GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WITH NO, WITH NO ONE ELSE DESIRING TO SPEAK.
I'LL CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, AND, AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IT MIGHT BE CHALLENGING TO FIND ANOTHER DEVELOPER, UM, BUT MITIGATION WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN NO MATTER WHICH WAY IT GOES.
SO, UM, AND IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING WORTH LOOKING INTO NO MATTER WHICH WAY IT GOES.
SO, SO I THINK IN TERMS OF, UM, WHAT COMMISSIONER BEARD WAS MENTIONING, UM, AS FAR AS THE POSSIBILITY OF PUSHING THIS TO NEXT MONTH TO, UH, TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS, UM, I, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE, UH, IF THE PROPERTY OWNERS HERE TONIGHT THAT THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT HERE NOW, UM, AND THEN KIND OF HOLD OFF ON MAKING ANY DECISIONS ON THAT UNTIL, UM, UNTIL THEY'VE HAD A CHANCE TO KIND OF ADDRESS.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO YOU, UH, MR. CHAIR.
YEAH, LET ME, BEFORE WE DO THAT, LEMME MAKE A COMMENT TO WHAT KIM SAID.
IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, THEN I SUSPECT THAT YOU GUYS ARE NOT GONNA SPEND THE MONEY TO DO A LEVEL TWO ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT AND GO IN THERE AND MITIGATE ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A ZONING OR THAT'S, I'M JUST GUESSING.
SO THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GONNA FIND THAT OUT IS IF SOMEBODY'S GONNA ACTUALLY BUILD SOMETHING THERE.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY'RE UNDER ANY REQUIREMENT RIGHT NOW TO DO THAT BECAUSE NOTHING'S BEEN APPROVED.
SO THEN, ARE WE MAKING A MOTION TO MOVE THIS OR TO WELL, THANK YOU.
I WOULD LOOK TO YOU, MR. CHAIR, TO UH, MAYBE CALL UPON THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE, THE CONCERNS THAT THEY'VE HEARD TONIGHT.
THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE YOUR BEST, UH, MOTIVE MOVING FORWARD.
MR. PROPERTY OWNER, CAN YOU ADDRESS THEM WITH CONCERNS PROPERTY? BOTH WHOEVER'S, UH, WHOEVER'S BEST EQUIPPED TO HANDLE THE QUESTIONS, WHOEVER SPENDS THE MONEY AND WANTS TO WRITE THE CHAIR, OKAY.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE APPLICANT AND, UH, THEY WILL BE BASICALLY DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY.
SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THOSE QUESTIONS SHOULD GO TO HIM.
IF YOU WANT SOME QUESTIONS TO ME, YOU CAN ASK THEM AND I CAN TRY TO RELAY THOSE ANSWERS TO YOU AS WELL.
TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, I WILL ADDRESS THE USE.
UH, AS HE MENTIONED THAT THEY'VE HAD MULTIPLE DEVELOPERS COME TO THIS PROPERTY.
CAN YOU SPEAK THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? YES.
THEY'VE HAD MULTIPLE DEVELOPERS COME TO THIS PROPERTY AND ULTIMATELY CANNOT FIND A USE THAT WORKS ON THIS SITE.
UH, AND THAT IS PURELY ATTRIBUTED TO THE 11 GAS AND WELLHEAD GAS WELLHEADS.
UM, THE UNIQUE THING THAT STONE MONT, WHICH THE COMPANY REPRESENT BRINGS TO THIS SITE IS THAT WE DO INDUSTRIAL TILT WALL WAREHOUSING, BUT WE ALSO DO OUTDOOR STORAGE AND MAINTENANCE FACILITIES SUCH AS THE 4 7500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS.
SO WE ARE ONE OF THE VERY FEW, IF NOT THE ONLY IN THE HOUSTON AREA THAT CAN ACTUALLY DO THIS AND MAKE THIS SITE WORK.
UH, IT'S A, IT'S A RARITY WITHIN OUR INDUSTRY THAT YOU HAVE SOME, SOME GROUPS THAT FOCUS ON ONE PRODUCT OR THE OTHER PRODUCT.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO TEAMS THAT DO THIS, UM, INDEPENDENTLY AND TOGETHER ON MULTIPLE SITES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
SO I WANTED TO ADD THAT PIECE OF COLOR AS WELL.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT IF YOU DON'T, DO YOU GUYS THAT YOU ARE GOING GUYS IN TOWN THAT CAN DO THIS, THEN WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE OTHER OPTION THERE? WE HAVEN'T FOUND A VIABLE THERE, WE HAVEN'T FOUND A VIABLE OPTION ASIDE THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THE SITE EFFECT.
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UH, OUTDOOR STORAGE? UM, I, I THINK IT MIGHT BE BEST TO BE DEFINED FROM THE ZONING CODE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE FOLLOWING.YEAH, I CAN PULL THE, THE NEW CODE FOR YOU.
THINK, THINK CONTRACTOR, LAY DOWN YARD, THAT TYPE OF THING.
THE, THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING.
IT'S SCREENED AND, UM, BUFFERED WITH LANDSCAPING.
UH, BUT THE OTHERWISE THAT'S, UH, AND I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE A FENCE INCLUDED THERE AS WELL THAT GOES AROUND EACH SITE.
BUT, UM, THE SPECIFICS OF, WELL HOW THAT WOULD BE DESIGNED, SINCE IT'S NOT IN THE PUD SPECIFICALLY, WOULD, IT WOULD GO BACK TO, UH, THE CODE AND WHAT THAT DICTATES.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DIVIDE THE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY INTO, UM, INTO FIVE PIECES OF FREEZERS.
SO THE ONE, UM, EACH CONTRACTOR'S SHOP IS GOING TO HAVE THEIR OWN PIECE, UH, OR, UH, PIECE OF LAND.
AND THIS, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE WAREHOUSING IS GOING TO BE A SECOND, UH, OR, UH, THE FIFTH PIECE HERE OF LAND.
UM, THE CONTRACTOR SHOP IS REGULATED IN THE, IN THE ZONING CODE, IN THE NEW ZONING CODE.
AND IT HAS SOME LIMITED, UH, SOME, UH, CONDITIONS ON IT, UM, TO LIMIT THE OUTDOOR STORAGE TO THE, THE PLANE OF THE SIDE OR REAR OF THE BUILDINGS, WHICH, UH, IN THIS CASE, WE, WE CANNOT DO THAT BECAUSE WE ARE, UM, WE DO HAVE, UH, THE WELLHEADS SETBACKS EVERYWHERE AS WELL AS THE, UM, THE SCREENING THAT WE'RE TAKING ALONG THE PARAMETER OF THE SITE.
SO WE ARE GOING TO GET INTO THE, THE DETAILS OF THIS AT THE SITE PLAN STAGE.
BUT FOR NOW, THIS IS THE, UM, THE PROPOSAL OF, UH, CONTRACTOR SHOP ALONG WITH OUTDOOR STORAGE.
ONE OF, ONE OF THE THINGS TO KIND OF KEEP IN MIND IS NOBODY WILL BE, THE ONLY THING YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE IS THE BACK OF THAT WAREHOUSE ON SOUTH ALEXANDER AND THE FEEDER ON 1 46, WHICH YOU'LL SEE AT THE GROUND LEVEL.
I'M, I'M ASSUMING IF YOU'RE ON TOP OF NINE, NINE, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE THE STUFF AT THE BOTTOM.
BUT AS FAR AS EVERYTHING ON THE WEST SIDE, THAT'LL BE, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S THE EASEMENT.
UH, WIER IS DOWN OF WAYS AND THERE'S TREES AND WETLANDS IN THERE.
SO YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE WHATEVER'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT, UM, OF THAT YEAH.
YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE ANY PEOPLE WON'T SEE THAT.
WILL THERE BE A FULL-TIME PROPERTY MANAGER ON SITE, UH, DEFINED PROPERTY MANAGER? UH, WOULD THE, WHO'S GONNA MAKE THAT ALL THE LEASE ARE ABIDING WITH ALL THE REGULATIONS THAT THE PEOPLE ARE SITTING HERE REQUESTING? YEAH.
SO WE HAVE OUR OWN, UH, INTERNAL, UH, UM, UH, ASSET MANAGERS THAT VISIT PROPERTY REGULARLY.
WE HIRE THIRD PARTY PROPERTY MANAGERS AS WELL THAT VISIT THE SITES REGULARLY.
AND THEN, UH, EACH TENANT IS, IS MOST LIKELY GOING TO HAVE THEIR OWN ONSITE REPRESENTATIVE THAT MANAGES THE SITE AS WELL.
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU'RE GONNA ALLOW, UH, LAY DOWN ASSEMBLY ACTIVITIES GOING OUT IN THAT STORAGE IN FRONT OF THOSE BUILDINGS? KIND OF FABRICATION? ANY KIND OF PUTTING THINGS TOGETHER? UH, BULK MATERIALS BEING STORED, PIPES, BEAMS, WHATEVER.
I WOULD DEFER ONCE AGAIN TO THE ZONING CODE IF, IF THAT IS, UH, ALLOWED.
THE, THE ZONING, UH, CODE DOES NOT ALLOW FOR FABRICATION OR MANUFACTURING OF ANY SORT.
WHAT ABOUT THE, ALL THE LAY DOWN STORAGE LIKE WE HAVE ACROSS ROSELAND PARK IN THE PIPE YARD? IT, IT DOES ALLOW FOR THAT AS LONG AS IT'S SCREENED.
HOW MANY PEOPLE I LIKE TO CALL FOR A MOTION AT SOME POINT.
I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING IN THE WEEDS OF WHAT, FOR REAL, WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL, I DON'T, I UNDERSTAND.
AND I HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS AS WELL, BUT I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT IT IS.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE POD CAN DO IS ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE IN, IN ORDINARILY IN A REZONE.
WE WOULDN'T GET INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL IN A POD.
WE DO GET INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL.
SO, SO AS A, SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF.
UM, IN, AS AN EXAMPLE, IN RESPONSE TO COMMISSIONER BEARD'S TALK, UM, DISCUSSION ABOUT HOURS OF OPERATION, THAT IS A REASONABLE CONDITION THAT CAN BE INCLUDED IN THIS.
UH, I DON'T PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I'M SAYING THAT IF, IF WE HAVE THIS MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD TABLE THIS FOR THE NEXT MEETING BECAUSE THIS IS JUST GOING ON.
WE'VE BEEN GOING ON THIS THING FOR ABOUT 45 MINUTES AND ABOUT 20 MINUTES AGO WAS PROPOSED THAT WE TABLE IT SO THAT WE CAN, IF ANYBODY HAS CONCERNS, WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS
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AND THESE PEOPLE CAN ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS.'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE KIND OF SPINNING WHEELS A LITTLE BIT.
I HAVEN'T MADE A MOTION, BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO, GIVEN THE FACT THAT I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN SIT HERE RIGHT NOW AND WRITE THE LANGUAGE IN, IN THIS PD APPLICATION FOR ALL OF OUR CONCERNS AND HOW IT'S GONNA COME OUT.
I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR STAFF TO GO BACK AND I'M SURE MARTIN'S TAKING LOTS OF NOTES OVER HERE, THEM TO GO BACK WITH THEM, HAVE THEM COME BACK AND ADDRESS IT TO US AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO I'M GOING TO PROPOSE THAT WE TABLE THIS ITEM UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING.
SO THE NOTES THAT EVERYONE'S TAKING, UM, SHOULD THIS BE APPROVED? THEY'LL, NO, NO OFFENSE, BUT THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
ANY OF THE NEEDS A SECOND BEFORE HE HAD MORE DISCUSSION.
BUT YOU FINISHED YOUR WHOLE SENTENCE BEFORE I GOT TO MAKE A STATEMENT.
SO SHOULD THIS BE APPROVED, WITH ALL THE NOTES THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN, UM, THEY'LL BE PUT INTO CONS CONSIDERED IN THE FINAL DESIGN IN THE PUD, ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE.
UM, AND THEN IT WILL GO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
IS THAT CORRECT? IN TERMS SO YES.
UM, THE CONVERSATION THAT HAPPENS, WHAT GOES FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL WILL BE THE, THE OVERARCHING CONCERNS THAT CAME FROM THIS BODY AS A WHOLE MM-HMM
UM, AND WHAT GOES FORWARD TO THEM IN TERMS OF, OF CHANGES WILL BE UP TO THE APPLICANT, UM, AT THAT STAGE.
AND THEN YOU CAN DECIDE THIS IS EITHER GOOD ENOUGH OR IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH, AND THEN YOU MAKE YOUR VOTE, UM, BASED ON THAT.
WITH A, WITH A, BUT, SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT WILL BE LOST.
DOES THAT LEAVE? UM, WE'RE JUST IN DISCUSSION.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MINUTE FOR DISCUSSION.
SO IF, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS QUESTIONERS CALL THE QUESTION.
ALRIGHT, SO I NEED A, I NEED A MOTION THEN RIGHT THERE WAS IN A SECOND.
MOTION IS THE TABLE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.
OKAY, IF YOU THOUGHT THAT ONE TOOK A MINUTE.
MOVING ON TO ITEM SEVEN, A CHAIR.
CAN WE HAVE A BATHROOM BREAK? SURE.
UH, TAKE A VOTE ON THAT RECESS.
GET A VOTE FOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE HAVE A 10 MINUTE BATHROOM BREAK.
IS THERE EVEN AVE DO WE KNOW HOW THE GAVEL OVER THERE? THAT'S A BUNCH.
WAS TRYING TO 10 MINUTES RESTROOM.
I DIDN'T MAKE IT TO EXCUSE THOUGH.
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THEY CAN, THEY CAN SAY IT'S COVERED BY LORD.WITH THE SIZE, THE SHAPE OF THE PROPERTY.
YOU CAN FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO WITH IT.
WELL ACTUALLY, SO THE QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK WAS MORE OF A GOTCHA QUESTION.
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE Y'ALL GOING EMPLOY? THERE'S GONNA BE LIKE SIX GO SHOPS.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE LOCAL EMPLOYER.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE WAREHOUSES EMPLOY LIKE 20 PEOPLE.
AND FOR WHAT? LIKE SELL OR SOLD FOR ANOTHER? YES.
THE THING IS, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S INSULTING THAT WE HAVE MADE IT CLEAR WE HAD TO CHANGE THE ENTIRE THING.
AND THAT'S WHY I SAID WHAT I SAID.
THIS IS JUST A BACKHAND AWAY ALL COMING IN AND TRYING TO SNEAK THIS IN.
WHY ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT THIS? IT'S A WAREHOUSE AND IT'S ON THE HIGHWAY.
BECAUSE THIS IS ON INDUSTRIAL ONE DOWN.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA PUT ANYTHING UP.
YOU DOING ALL RIGHT? GOOD TO SEE YOU.
YOU JUST HAD ONE TONIGHT WAS INITIALLY TWO.
YEAH, IT WAS, THEY KEPT SAYING WE CAN'T DO VERY COOL.
WHERE YEAH, WHERE THEY, WHERE THE STORE IS? YEAH.
ARE YOU LIVING IN BAYTOWN? OH MY GOODNESS.
THERE'S ANOTHER BALL RIGHT HERE.
I WAS SAYING I WONDER IF TAKE IT ANOTHER HOUR NOW.
I SHOULD, I SHOULD HAVE ACTUALLY ALREADY RETIRED IT FOR TODAY.
I USUALLY DRINK HALF OF IT AND THEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, MY BALL.
DESTINY INVITES ME ALL THE TIME AND I'M LIKE, EH, IF I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO DO THAT EVENING.
REALLY? REALLY? WHERE ARE YOU AT? JEN PARK.
EVERY, IS YOUR OFFICE THE ONE RIP THE WALLS? OH MY GOSH.
THEY, IT JEN, EVERY NIGHT THEY, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ONES THAT ARE THE I'VE HEARD ABOUT THOSE TOO.
WHAT TIME DO THEY DO THAT? I GLAD I DID IT.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I'VE NEVER SEEN YOU THERE.
I'M, EVERYTHING WE DO IS REMOTE AND I HAVE AN OFFICE AT THE HOUSE.
SO IS THAT OUR 10 MINUTES? UH, WE, SO WAITING ON DONNA, WE'LL LET 'EM GET THAT, THAT MY WIFE KEEPS SAYING, WHY DO YOU, WHY YOU STILL PAYING FOR AN OFFICE? AND I SAID, 'CAUSE YOU WON'T LET ME BRING MY STUFF THERE.
WELL, IF YOU EVER DECIDE TO VACATE, PLEASE COME TELL ME.
BUT I HAD A, I USED TO HAVE AN OFFICE NEXT TO ME.
WE GOT, I DOWNSIZED THIS LAST TIME.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE CHECKS IN THERE ANYMORE.
THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL REMOTE
MAYBE THEY'RE IN DANA MADE A COMMENT DAY ABOUT IT.
I SAID, REALLY? OH, DANA MADE A COMMENT.
SO I WAS IN THERE DOING SOMETHING.
OH, WELL, TO ME, HOW ABOUT THAT? I CAN ONLY JUDGE PEOPLE HOW THEY, HOW THEY ACT TOWARDS ME.
YEAH, THEY, THEY'VE BEEN MY CLIENT FOR 28 YEARS.
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DASH OVER THERE OFF OF THE COURT ROAD.THE ONE I DID THE GIRL SENIOR PICTURES RUN MY BACK THROUGH THERE TOO.
SOMETIMES I, WE, A LOT OF PEOPLE DO.
WE'VE LOST MY, WE'VE LOST DONNA AND ANYTHING.
WHAT? HAD NUTS IN IT? BECAUSE I LOOKED FOR THINGS IN THERE THAT HAD NUTS IN THEM.
THOSE ALMONDS NOT A STRAIGHT JACKET.
WHAT ARE THEY? IT'S TRAIL MIX, WHICH I CAN ACTUALLY EAT AND I NEVER CAN EAT ANYTHING THEY PUT UP HERE.
AND SHE ACTUALLY PUT TWO IN MINE BECAUSE IT'S ALL I CAN EAT.
SOMEBODY TOLD YOU I HAD A SPECIAL TUMMY.
NO, SEE, LOOKING OUT FOR MY SPECIAL TUMMY.
YOU GUYS WERE ALL TALKING, YOUR MICS WERE OFF.
THAT DOESN'T HURT MY FEELINGS.
I PROMISE YOU THERE'S CONTAMINATION.
AND THAT'S WHY I SAID MITIGATION NEEDS HAPPENING.
LET MAKE ALL THE NOISE, EVERYTHING.
SO THAT, THAT'S, I WAS TELLING, I'M SURPRISED THEY DIDN'T DONE THAT ALREADY.
I I WHY IS YOURS EMPTY? WAIT, DON'T TALK ABOUT MS.
I'M SO IMPRESSED RIGHT NOW, GIRL.
I'M, YOU CAN BUY ME WITH TRAIL MILK.
NOW WE'RE GONNA TALK THEM ALL THE MR. I TOO DIDN'T, UM, DIDN'T GA LIKE THE MR. ALL RIGHT, LET'S ROCK IN.
THIS USED TO BE UP HERE WITH THAT CALL, THIS ORDER, THIS MEETING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, RYAN VILO, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UH, NEXT ITEM ON Y'ALL'S AGENDA IS A DISCUSSION OF THE SAN JACINTO MARKETPLACE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
SO AS MARTIN SPOKE ABOUT, UM, YOU ALL KIND OF KNOW THE INS AND OUTS ABOUT PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE'LL JUMP RIGHT INTO, UM, KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THIS.
UM, BEFORE I GET STARTED, I WANT TO KIND OF LAY WHAT THE INTENT OF THIS IS.
SO THE INTENT OF THIS IS TO HAVE A DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
THERE IS NO ACTION THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR, UM, FROM YOU ALL.
UM, BUT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU ALL TO, UM, KIND OF HEAR WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED, PROVIDE FEEDBACK, UH, BACK TO STAFF AND BACK TO THE APPLICANT, UM, IN ORDER, UH, TO, UH, PREPARE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WOULD BE SCHEDULED FOR Y'ALL'S NEXT MEETING ON THIS.
SO AGAIN, NO ACTION IS TO BE TAKEN.
UM, WE ARE JUST ASKING FOR DISCUSSION.
SO, UH, ONCE AGAIN, EVERYONE IS WELL AWARE OF THE SITE HERE.
BUT, UH, 5,000 EAST, UH, INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 10, UH, THE FORMER SAN JACINTO MALL SITE, APPROXIMATELY 103.8 ACRES.
SO HERE IS, UH, WHAT THE PROPOSED, UH, CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR THE SITE SHOWS.
SO, UH, TO KINDA GET Y'ALL'S BEARINGS AGAIN, THE TOP OF THE SCREEN WOULD BE I 10, UH, TO THE RIGHT WOULD BE GARTH ROAD.
UH, TO THE LEFT IS STATE OF JATO, UH, BOULEVARD, AS YOU SAW IN THE PLAT THIS EVENING.
UM, YOU DO SEE INDEPENDENCE, UH, BOULEVARD WOULD RUN, UH, BE PROPOSED TO RUN ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, LONE STAR WOULD RUN AROUND, UH, THROUGH THE NORTHERN, ABOUT ONE THIRD OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, WHAT YOU DO NOT SEE IS, UH, THAT EVENTUALLY IT WOULD CONNECT OVER TO, UH, THE WEST AND, UM, CONNECT INTO THE EXISTING LONE STAR AVENUE, UM, UH, IN ALIGNMENT.
SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS, UH, UH, KIND OF A ROUGH NORTH SOUTH
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ACCESS.YOU SEE LARGER, UH, KIND OF BIG BOX RETAIL, UM, BEING PROPOSED THERE, UM, WITH A LAR VERY LARGE, UH, ANCHOR TENANT, UM, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN WHAT YOU WOULD, UH, TYPICALLY, UH, SEE OF TYPICAL BOARD BIG BOX RETAILERS, UM, RUNNING TO THE NORTH THERE CLOSER TO GARTH ROAD.
YOU SEE OUT LOTS THAT WOULD BE, UH, PROPOSED TO BE RESTAURANTS OR SMALL RETAIL PADS.
UM, AND THEN KIND OF IN THE CENTER OF THE SITE, UH, UH, WHERE YOU, UH, JUST TO THE LEFT OF WHERE GARTH ROAD IS WRITTEN, YOU DO SEE, UM, WHAT THE DEVELOPER HAS BEEN CALLING PELICAN GREEN, WHICH WOULD BE KIND OF AN OUTDOOR EVENT SPACE, UH, OPEN SPACE KIND OF COMMUNITY GATHERING AREA FOR, UH, THIS, UH, WHERE YOU SEE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE A MIXTURE OF, IT COULD BE AN ENTERTAINMENT, UH, TYPE VENUE.
UM, IT COULD ALSO POTENTIALLY BE, UH, MULTIFAMILY.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THERE IS SOME AREAS, UH, FOR SOME, UH, SURFACE, UH, UH, DRAINAGE, UH, AS WELL.
UM, SO AGAIN, THIS IS VERY MUCH A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UM, BUT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IN THE, UM, UH, WHERE YOU ACTUALLY SEE MORE OF THE DETAIL THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE FLESHED OUT.
UM, SO THE NEXT, UH, THING I WANT TO, UH, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IS THE SIGNAGE.
SO AGAIN, BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY LARGE, UH, SITE, BECAUSE THIS IS, UM, AGAIN, UH, INTENDED TO BE KIND OF A REGIONAL DRAW.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING QUITE A BIT OF SIGNAGE.
UM, WE'LL KIND OF GET INTO WHAT, UH, OUR COMMENTS ARE ON, ON THIS HERE IN A SECOND.
BUT I WANTED TO KIND OF SET THE, THE TABLE HERE.
UM, SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ALONG I 10 IS, UH, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ARE A SERIES OF 80 FOOT, UH, TALL PILOT SIDES.
UM, AND THEN THEY ARE PROPOSING A 60 FOOT, UH, DIGITAL PILOT SIDE AS WELL AS WHAT YOU SEE THE BLUE THERE.
UH, THE LETTER C, UM, YOU DO SEE SOME SMALLER GROUND MONUMENT SIGNS OF ABOUT NINE FEET TALL THAT'S IN THAT YELLOW COLOR.
UM, AND THEN YOU DO SEE ALONG GARTH ROAD, UH, A SERIES OF THREE, UH, SIGNS THAT ARE 42 AND A HALF FEET TALL.
AND THEN, UH, YOU DO SEE TWO, UM, KIND OF IN THAT, UH, TEAL BLUE COLOR THERE.
UH, NUMBERS ONE AND TWO WOULD BE 17 FOOT TALL MONUMENT SIGNS.
UM, SO, UH, ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT, AND THE APPLICANT WILL BE MAKING A PRESENTATION HERE SHORTLY.
UM, THERE, UH, IS PROPOSED TO BE UPWARDS OF ABOUT 50 TENANTS, UM, FOR THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
SO AGAIN, THERE DOES NEED TO BE SOME SIGNAGE.
AND I DO BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE THERE, THERE WILL NEED TO BE.
UM, PROBABLY SOME CONVERSATION AND SOME DISCUSSION.
UM, AS YOU'LL SEE IN OUR COMMENTS HERE SHORTLY, UM, UH, WHAT YOU SEE HERE ON THIS, THIS IS, UH, THESE RED LINES THAT IS A PEDESTRIAN PLAN.
UM, THAT IS ONE THING THAT WE DID ASK, UM, THE DEVELOPER, UH, TO PROVIDE FOR US.
SO THEY, THEY WERE WILLING TO DO THAT.
UM, WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS, UH, OF COURSE A SIDEWALK ALONG GARTH ROAD AS WELL AS INDEPENDENCE AND LONE STAR.
UM, AND THEN YOU WOULD SEE SOME PEDESTRIAN, UH, WALKWAYS IN FRONT OF THE, UH, LARGER, UH, STORES.
AND THEN, UM, SOME, UH, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY AROUND PELICAN GREEN, UM, THAT WOULD THEN GO, UM, TO THE, UH, WEST THERE, UM, BACK TOWARDS SOME OF THE LARGER RETAILERS.
UM, SO AGAIN, UM, WE ARE TRYING TO ENSURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY, UH, GET YOUR CAR DRIVE FROM ONE LOCATION TO ANOTHER LOCATION IN THE SITE.
YOU COULD PARK ONCE AND KIND OF BE ABLE TO WALK AROUND AND, UM, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT, UM, UH, OPTIONS THAT, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS SHOWING.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS STILL WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER MORE OF A SUBURBAN STYLE TYPE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO, UM, AGAIN, I I I THINK THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME CONVERSATION THAT WOULD NEED TO BE HAD ON THAT AS WELL.
UM, HERE'S SOME RENDERINGS OF THE SIGNS, JUST SO EVERYONE CAN KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING HERE.
UM, SO YOU COULD SEE THIS, UH, THERE'S A LITTLE, UH, LITTLE PERS OUT HERE THAT IS YOUR KIND OF TYPICAL, UH, PERSON.
AND THIS IS SHOWING THE HEIGHT OF THESE SIDES.
UM, I DO WANNA MENTION THOUGH, UM, AND IT'S NOT ON ONE OF THESE, UH, THEY DID SHOW, UH, ELSEWHERE WHERE, UM, I 10 BECAUSE OF IT BEING ELEVATED ABOVE THE SITE, UM, THAT THERE DOES NEED TO BE SOME HEIGHT THERE, THERE IS AN EXISTING ABOUT 80 FOOT TALL SIGN, UH, FOR THE MALL THERE NOW.
SO, UM, WE'LL KIND OF GET INTO THOSE COMMENTS HERE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, HERE'S THE 42 AND A HALF FOOT SIDES.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU'VE STILL GOT YOUR, YOUR SIX FOOT TALL, UH, AVERAGE PERSON, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT SOME, UH, SOME SIGNS THERE.
AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, THERE IS AN INTENT TO KIND OF MAKE THESE A LITTLE BIT MORE INTEGRATED WITH THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE, THE SITE.
THAT IS SOMETHING AGAIN, THAT WE, WE ARE ASKING, UH, FOR THE DEVELOPER TO DO.
UM, AND THEY, UM, THEY ARE WILLING TO DO THAT.
UM, THESE LIGHT BLUE ONES, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THOSE ARE THOSE, UH, UM, SMALLER 17 FOOT SIDES.
UM, AND THEN YOU SEE SOME SMALLER, UM, MONUMENT, GROUND MOUNTED MONUMENT SIGNS, UH, THAT WOULD BE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE SITE AS WELL.
SO I, I KIND OF WANNA GET A LITTLE BIT INTO STAFF COMMENTS.
UH, AGAIN, YOU, YOU HAVE SEEN, UH,
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THE RED LINE VERSION, UM, OF THEIR COMMENTS, UH, OR THEIR CHANGES THAT THEY HAVE MADE AFTER WE HAVE REVIEWED IT.UM, AND THE STAFF REPORT, UH, OUTLINES WHAT OUR COMMENTS WERE.
UM, BUT I DID WANT TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE THOSE FOR YOU ALL.
UM, SO WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING IS GENERAL COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEWLY ADOPTED ULDC.
UM, WE ARE REQUESTING A STREET SCAPE, UH, WIDTH OF 12 FEET ALONG GARTH ROAD.
UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING 10 FEET AT THIS POINT.
UM, WE ARE REQUESTING THAT STREET CRE UH, STREET TREES WOULD BE, UM, REQUIRED IF THE STREETS, UH, ESCAPE SETBACK.
UH, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE ASKED FOR SOME RELIEF ON.
UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
UM, UNLESS THERE'S SOME SORT OF EXTE CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE MAYBE THERE'S SOME OVERHEAD UTILITIES OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, IN THAT CASE, WE WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, UH, TO, UM, HAVE, UH, MEET THE MINIMUM MASONRY COVERAGE OF 80 UH PERCENT, UH, IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, 50% ON THE SIDE, AND THEN 0% ON THE REAR UNLESS THAT REAR IS ADJACENT TO, UM, A STREET.
AND THEN IT WOULD, UM, HAVE TO MEET THOSE, THOSE HIGHER PERCENTAGES.
UH, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS IN OUR OLD ULDC, UM, AND ACTUALLY IS STILL IN THE OLD ULDC.
WE JUST DON'T ENFORCE IT ANYMORE BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN STATE LAW.
BECAUSE THIS IS A PUD, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ASK FOR THOSE THINGS, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE WOULD, WE WOULD, UH, REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT THAT, UM, THEY DO MEET THAT MINIMUM MASON COVERAGE THAT, UM, WE HAD IN OUR FORMER, UH, CODE.
UM, ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS HAS BEEN, OBVIOUSLY MULTIFAMILY IS A HOT TOPIC OF WITH, UH, OUR CITY COUNCIL.
UM, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR IS, OR WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING AT THIS POINT IS THAT 250,000 SQUARE FEET OF THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO THEM STARTING ANY MULTIFAMILY.
AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT THEM TO, UM, ONLY BUILD PART OF THEM.
UH, THE, UH, THE COMMERCIAL, UH, AGAIN, IT'S JUST, UH, TO KIND OF, UM, HOPEFULLY ASSUAGE SOME OF COUNCIL'S CONCERNS THAT THIS IS JUST GONNA BE A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT COMMERCIAL ON THE SIDE.
UH, THE SIGNAGE, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS 180 FOOT SIGN ALONG INTERSTATE 10, 2 17 FOOT SIGNS ALONG GARTH ROAD ONE 17 FOOT, UH, SIGN ALONG INDEPENDENCE BOULEVARD.
UM, AND THEN WE CONCUR WITH THE SMALLER MONUMENT SIGNS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, UM, THAT IS STILL SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN WHAT THE NEW UDC CALLS FOR.
UM, IF YOU LOOK IN THE NEW ULDC, UM, WE HAVE, UH, DONE AWAY WITH, UH, GENERALLY PYLON SIGNS.
SO REALLY WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT DOING ANY LARGE SIGNS IN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN UNLESS IT'S A LARGER DEVELOPMENT WHERE THEY WOULD COME IN FOR A MASTER SIGN PLAN.
UM, SO AGAIN, UM, TRYING TO GET THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, AS CLOSE AS WE CAN TO THE NEW ULDC, UM, I THINK IS IS SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, UM, THE HIGH VISIBILITY OF THE SITE, THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS PROJECT TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, WE, WE, WE REALLY, UH, ARE ARE HOPING THAT, UH, THE, UH, APPLICANT IS WILLING TO COMPLY WITH AS MUCH OF THE, THE NEW LDC AS POSSIBLE.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL KIND OF STOP AND I KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT HAS A PRESENTATION THEMSELVES, AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, SO, UM, THERE WOULD NOT BE ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD TYPICALLY SPEAK ON THIS, BUT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.
THANK YOU, BRIAN, YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
HI, I'M CATHERINE PARKER WITH META PLANNING AND DESIGN, AND WE PREPARED THE PD DOCUMENT FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO WALK THROUGH, UM, EVERYTHING WITH YOU.
RYAN DID A GREAT JOB GOING THROUGH A LOT OF IT, BUT I'LL KIND OF GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION AND THEN TALK THROUGH SOME OF THE SPECIFIC COMMENTS THAT THEY HAD.
SORRY, WE'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH THE MOUSE.
I WAS JUST GONNA TRY AND PUT IT IN PRESENTATION.
SO I'LL SKIP THROUGH SOME OF THESE BECAUSE HE JUST WENT THROUGH 'EM.
BUT, UM, AS HE MENTIONED, THIS IS THE FORMER MALL SITE AND SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT REDEVELOPING IT FOR SOME COMMERCIAL USES.
UM, YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF WHERE IT IS AND THE PROPOSED ZONING IS FOR THE PUD.
SO AS A PART OF THAT, WE'RE INCORPORATING A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE UNIQUE TO THIS PROJECT.
WE'RE TRYING TO DO A LOT THAT WILL GIVE YOU GUYS A CLEAR IDEA OF WHAT THIS PROJECT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
UM, HAVE A COHESIVE DESIGN AESTHETIC FOR THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT AND A UNIQUE CHARACTER THAT WILL REALLY BE AN ASSET TO THE, TO THE CITY.
SO AS WE GO THROUGH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
UM, SO HERE'S THE, THE CURRENT SITE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT.
THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE IN PHASE ONE IS GONNA BE ALL RETAIL.
WE'VE GOT LARGE ANCHOR TENANTS AND JUNIOR TENANTS, AND THEN ALONG GARTH ROAD YOU'VE GOT YOUR SMALLER RESTAURANTS AND SMALLER SHOPS.
ONE OF THE REALLY UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS PROJECT IS THIS PELICAN GREEN THAT WE'VE GOT SHOWN WHERE YOU SEE
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THE SORT OF GREEN PLAZA AREA.UM, AND THAT'S GONNA HAVE A UNIQUE, UM, FEEL WHERE THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR EVENTS AND FOR GATHERING SPACES.
AND I'LL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE HERE IN A FEW SLIDES, SOME RENDERINGS SO YOU CAN GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THAT INCLUDES.
BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST YOUR TRADITIONAL COMMERCIAL RETAIL.
THERE ARE THE LARGE, UM, RETAIL ANCHORS, BUT THERE'S ALSO THIS GATHERING SPACE THAT'S GONNA BE A BENEFIT TO THE, TO THE WHOLE CITY.
SO THE PROPOSED PUD REGULATIONS WE'RE REQUESTING THE, UM, LIVABLE CENTER BASED ZONING OF THE, I GUESS NOW PREVIOUS ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT REQUEST IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF AGREEMENTS AND STUDIES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE ON THIS PROJECT.
THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR A FEW YEARS.
THERE'S BEEN ECONOMIC, UH, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT'S DONE.
A TA STUDY'S ALREADY BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED.
SO A LOT OF COMPONENTS BEHIND THE SCENES HAVE BEEN, UM, IN THE PROCESS FOR A WHILE.
AND ALL OF THAT'S BEEN DONE UNDER THE PREVIOUS ZONING.
AND SO WE'RE ASKING THAT THAT BE GRANDFATHERED AS LONG AS WE ARE ALSO ADHERING TO ALL OF THE SPECIFICS IN THE DOCUMENT, WHICH INCLUDE ENHANCED ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS.
WE GET INTO PEDESTRIAN REQUIREMENTS, LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, SIGNAGE, GIVING YOU A LOT OF THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS YOU TYPICALLY DON'T GET, UM, EARLY ON IN THIS PROCESS.
AND SO WITH THAT KIND OF GIVE AND TAKE, THAT'S SORT OF THE BACKGROUND AS TO WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT.
WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY TRYING TO NOT DO SOME OF THESE THINGS, BUT IT'S JUST, THERE'S A LOT THAT'S ALREADY GONE ON IN THIS PROCESS TO GET US TO THIS POINT.
AND WE WOULD JUST WANNA BE ABLE TO CONTINUE DOWN THAT, UM, THAT UNDERSTANDING.
BUT WITHIN THE REGULATIONS, WE ARE PROPOSING SETBACKS, BLOCK COVERAGE, UM, PERMITTED AND PROHIBITED USES.
WE HAVE INCLUDE ROADWAY DESIGN AND STREET SCAPE STANDARDS.
UH, I'LL SHOW YOU SOME CROSS SECTIONS HERE IN A MOMENT, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED AS A COMMENT WAS FOR THE 12 FOOT STREET SCAPE, WE'VE REQUESTED A MINIMUM OF 10 FOOT.
IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE WILL BE DOING THAT THE FULL EXTENT, BUT THERE ARE AREAS WHERE OTHER CONSTRAINTS, UM, EXIST AND IT PROHIBITS US FROM DOING THE FULL, UM, 12 FEET IN ALL AREAS OF IT.
BUT WHERE POSSIBLE IT IS COMPLIANT.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THE, THE MAJORITY OF THAT, UH, FRONTAGE WILL BE IN COMPLIANCE.
SO AGAIN, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, DO LESS ON THE WHOLE PROJECT.
THERE'S JUST CERTAIN AREAS WHERE THERE ARE.
SO OUR REQUIREMENT LISTED IN THE DOCUMENT IS FOR A MINIMUM.
UM, SAME WITH THE STREET TREES, WE'VE ASKED THAT THEY NOT BE REQUIRED BECAUSE THERE ARE AREAS THAT WE CAN'T PERMIT PUT THEM BECAUSE OF EASEMENTS OR OTHER CONSTRAINTS.
UM, AND SO WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED WITH STAFF, THERE MAY BE A WAY WE CAN WORD THAT SO THAT IT'S NOT SAYING IT'S NOT REQUIRED, BUT THAT THERE'S ALLOWANCES FOR THE AREAS WHERE WE WON'T BE ABLE TO BECAUSE OF OTHER CONDITIONS.
UM, BUT WHERE POSSIBLE IT WILL BE PROVIDED, UM, ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTERISTICS ARE INCLUDED AND MATERIALS, AND I'LL GO THROUGH WHAT THOSE ARE TOO.
SO AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE AESTHETIC AND THEN SIGNAGE, AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT MORE WHEN WE GET TO THOSE SLIDES 'CAUSE THAT'S A BIGGER DISCUSSION.
UM, PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION, WE HAVE PROVIDED A PLAN FOR THAT.
AND THEN WE ALSO INCLUDE PARKING REGULATIONS, INCLUDING ALLOWANCES FOR SHARED PARKING, ESPECIALLY FOR SOME FUTURE POTENTIAL, UM, ENTERTAINMENT USES WITH SOME OF THE LARGER, UH, BIG BOX RETAIL.
SO HERE'S THE PROPOSED PHASING.
ALL THE COMMERCIAL THAT'S ALREADY LAID OUT WOULD BE PHASE ONE.
AND THEN PHASE TWO WOULD BE, UM, THE REMAINDER.
WHAT WE'VE WRITTEN IN, UM, AT THIS POINT IS FOR A MINIMUM OF A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PRIOR TO MULTIFAMILY, UM, STAFF HAS REQUESTED 250.
SO WE'RE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, AT SOME OF THE OPTIONS AND MAYBE WE CAN MEET SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GONNA BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL THAT COMES IN BEFORE ANY OTHER TYPE OF USE WOULD BE DICTATED.
AND IT'S ALREADY UNDER WORKS AS FAR AS THE SPECIFIC SQUARE FOOTAGE, YOU KNOW, KNOW WE DO NEED A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY, BUT THE, THE PHASE ONE IS GOING TO BE THIS COMMERCIAL AREA.
SO HERE ARE THE, UM, CROSS SECTIONS THAT I MENTIONED.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE WITH THE ROADS GOING THROUGH HERE, THE TYPE OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY IN, UM, THE AREAS THAT ARE IN THE FRONT, UH, ALONG GARTH WHERE IT'S THE SMALLER RETAIL AND RESTAURANTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE, THE BUILDINGS PRETTY CLOSE TO THE WALKWAY AND IT'S THAT MORE INTIMATE STREET SCAPE OF LIKE SOME OF THE MORE TOWN CENTER TYPE DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU SEE IN OTHER PLACES.
UM, BUT IN ALL INSTANCES THERE'S GONNA BE SIDEWALKS WHERE POSSIBLE LANDSCAPING PROVIDED.
UM, AND THEN ALL THE NECESSARY VEHICULAR TRANSPORTATION.
HERE'S A BLOWUP OF THE PELICAN GREEN AREA.
UM, AND JUST, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY VERY, UM, CONCEPTUAL, BUT JUST SO YOU CAN SEE THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE IN BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS THAT WILL SERVE AS GATHERING AREAS AND, UM, PLACES FOR EVENTS AND JUST FOR ALL KINDS OF OPPORTUNITIES, UM, THERE.
AND HERE'S SOME RENDERINGS TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK
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LIKE.UM, SO AGAIN, LOTS OF LANDSCAPING, SOME OPEN AREAS, UM, ALL THE, THE BUSINESSES CAN OPEN UP ONTO.
IT REALLY PROVIDES FOR A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY OF JUST, UM, INTEGRATION OF THE PEDESTRIAN AND THE SHOPPING CENTER.
SO A VERY UNIQUE, UM, AREA FOR, FOR THE CITY.
AND THAT WILL INTEGRATE WELL WITH THE OTHER COMMERCIAL THAT'S THERE, BUT GIVES US SORT OF A MORE OF A DESTINATION TYPE USE AND THEN JUST SOME CLOSER UP RENDERINGS OF IT AGAIN.
SO THEN GETTING INTO THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTERS, SOME OF THE INSPIRATION PHOTOS THAT HAVE GONE INTO THE DESIGN, JUST TO HELP GIVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THE AESTHETIC WILL LOOK LIKE AND THE SPECIFIC MATERIALS THAT ARE GONNA BE USED.
UM, AND THESE HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE PD TO AGAIN, GIVE SOME OF THAT ASSURANCE OF WHAT THIS AESTHETIC WILL BE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT YOU GUYS CAN EXPECT TO SEE OUT THERE.
AND JUST THE COHESIVE, UM, NATURE THAT THEY'RE GOING FOR.
SO SOME OF THE SPECIFIC MASONRY MATERIALS, UM, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS IN THERE FOR THE AMOUNT OF MASONRY AND MATERIALS THAT WOULD COUNT TOWARDS THAT.
AND SO THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE EXAMPLES OF THOSE.
SO SIGNAGE IS OBVIOUSLY A BIG ONE.
UM, AS RYAN MENTIONED, THIS IS GONNA HAVE POTENTIALLY 50 PLUS TENANTS WITH THAT VISIBILITY IS A BIG DEAL FOR THEM.
UM, AND TO HAVE ENOUGH SIGNAGE TO PROVIDE SIGNAGE FOR ALL THE TENANTS IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED.
AND PART OF DOING A PROCESS LIKE THIS WITH A PUD ALLOWS US TO LOOK AT THIS COMPREHENSIVELY, DO A MASTER PLAN, GET INTO THE DESIGN OF IT, AND START TO MAKE ALLOWANCES FOR ALL OF THAT.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING RIGHT NOW IS FOR TWO 80 FOOT PYLON SIGNS ALONG I 10, AGAIN, THIS IS ALONG I 10.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S ELEVATION FACTORS TO CONSIDER.
UM, THERE'S VEHICLE SPEEDS, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER FACTORS THAT ARE UNIQUE WHEN IT'S FRONTING THE FREEWAY.
THEN IF IT'S IN A MORE RESIDENTIAL OR, UM, EVEN JUST A COLLECTOR ROAD.
SO THE TALLER SIGNS, THE 80 FOOT ARE ALONG THERE.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A PROPOSED 60 FOOT THAT WILL ALLOW FOR, UM, SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE FOR SOME OF THE TENANTS IN HERE.
ONES THAT ARE FURTHER IN THE BACK OR MAY NOT HAVE VISIBILITY OF THE BUILDING ITSELF FROM, UM, THE ROADWAYS.
AND THEN BEYOND THAT, WE'RE ALSO REQUESTING THAT THERE BE, UM, SOME 42 FOOT PILE AND SIGNS ALONG GARTH SO LOWER.
BUT AGAIN, FOR THE SAME REASONS, THERE'S A LOT OF BUSINESSES, ESPECIALLY WITH THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE DOING ALONG GARTH WITH SOME OF THOSE SMALLER BUSINESSES, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THE SIGNAGE ON THE BUILDING WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING BY.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE, UM, LARGER MONUMENT SIGNAGE THAT CAN, UM, ADVERTISE THAT.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING SOME 40, OH, I DID THIS.
AND THEN THE 17 FOOT SIDE SIGNS THAT ARE, UM, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A HIERARCHY OF SCIENCE.
SO LET ME GET INTO THEM AGAIN.
THE, THE DESIGN HAS ALREADY BEEN CONSIDERED AN AESTHETIC THAT'S COHESIVE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PROJECT AS A WHOLE, DESPITE THE SIZE OF IT, THAT THIS PROJECT AS A WHOLE WILL LOOK LIKE ONE DEVELOPMENT AND WE'LL HAVE A COHESIVE, UM, APPEARANCE AND WILL BE SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS CLEAR THAT THIS IS ALL WORKING TOGETHER AND, AND TRYING TO CREATE ONE SINGLE DESTINATION FOR, FOR VISITORS.
SO THROUGH ALL THE SIGNS, THE SIZES CHANGE, BUT THE AESTHETIC IS THE SAME.
AND THEN IN THE SMALLER, UM, SINGLE AND AND DOUBLE TENANT SIGNAGE THAT'S ALONG THE ROADWAY, UM, THIS WAS THE STAFF WAS, WAS COMFORTABLE WITH, UM, AS PREPARED AS PROPOSED ORIGINALLY.
UM, THIS SHOWS THE PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE IT ALONG ALL OF THE ROADWAYS ON THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY, BUT THEN ALSO SIGNIFICANT CIRCULATION THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
SO THERE'S SOME ALONG LONE STAR, UM, ALONG INDEPENDENCE, AND THEN ALL WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
AND THEN HERE'S JUST THE CONCEPT PLAN.
SO I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, KIND OF JUST WANNA RUN THROUGH SOME OF THE SPECIFIC COMMENTS THEY HAD QUICKLY.
UM, I TALKED ABOUT THE ZONING ALREADY, THE STREET SCAPE AND THE STREET TREES.
AGAIN, JUST WANNA REITERATE, WE'RE ASKING FOR A MINIMUM, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THAT'S WHAT WE WANT FULL FOR THE FULL EXTENT.
THAT'S JUST TO ALLOW US SOME FLEXIBILITY IN AREAS WHERE IT'S NECESSARY, UM, AND WHERE POSSIBLE WE WILL BE COMPLYING WITH IT.
UM, THE, I THINK THE BIGGEST THING, UM, THAT WE WANT SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU GUYS ON WOULD BE PROBABLY SOME THE SIGNAGE AND GET WHERE YOUR FEELINGS ARE ON THAT.
IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC ISSUES THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ON ANY OF THIS THAT YOU WANT US TO CONSIDER.
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OUR GOAL WITH HAVING THIS DISCUSSION TODAY IS TO BE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH ANY, ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS YOU HAVE SO THAT WE, WE COME BACK NEXT MONTH WE'RE, WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ON, ON WHAT THIS IS GONNA BE AND THEN EVERYONE'S HAPPY WITH IT.SO YEAH, I'M AVAILABLE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.
I HAVE A QUESTION, UM, ON THE TWO 85TH SIGNS ALONG I 10 I GET WITH THE ELEVATION AND STUFF, BUT THE, WHERE YOU'RE PROPOSING TO PUT ONE OF THEM IS BACK WHERE YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.
WHY WOULD WE WANNA PUT A SIGN BACK THAT FAR? SO IT'S, HANG ON, I'M TRY FIND IT SHOWS I WENT THE WRONG WAY.
SO IT'S, IT'S A LOT TO DO WITH ACCESS.
THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE COMING IN.
SO A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE WILL LOOK FOR A SIGN AND TURN IN.
UM, ALSO THERE IS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD HAPPEN THERE THAT COULD BENEFIT FROM THESE SIGNS TOO.
SO THE SIGNS AREN'T ONLY FOR THIS AREA.
THERE MAY BE OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES IN THE FUTURE THAT COULD ALSO BE PLACED ON THAT SIGNAGE.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AND THE SIGNAGE NEEDS AS A WHOLE COMPREHENSIVE PROJECT AND TRYING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ENOUGH, UM, ALLOCATED FOR THAT.
IS THIS PUD, WOULD THIS BE ONLY FOR PHASE ONE? NO, THIS WOULD ADDRESS ANY DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THIS FULL BOUNDARY THAT, THAT YOU SEE HERE.
I HAVE A PROBLEM, IT'S A LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED ACRES.
SO FORGIVE ME FOR MY IGNORANCE, BUT CAN YOU GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT 250,000 SQUARE FOOT, LIKE HOW MUCH OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT HERE WOULD BE DEVELOPED ONCE YOU HIT A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT OR HOW MUCH WOULD BE DEVELOPED? SO TYPICALLY, TYPICALLY, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBERS ON THIS SITE PLAN MM-HMM
BUT TYPICALLY LIKE YOUR ANCHOR RETAIL IS PROBABLY 150 TO 175.
SO SAY THIS AND THEN MAYBE A COUPLE OF THESE WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN FIRST.
SO KIND OF THE BIGGEST DRAW TO THE, THE SITE WOULD HAVE TO BE IN PLACE ALREADY.
SO I GUESS WHAT Y'ALL ARE REQUESTING IS ESSENTIALLY ONLY THE ANCHOR STORE WOULD NEED TO BE DEVELOPED FIRST BEFORE YOU STARTED PUTTING IN RESIDENTIAL.
'CAUSE YOU'RE ASKING FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT AS OPPOSED TO YEAH, SO ORIGINALLY WE WERE ASKED TO GIVE A, A THRESHOLD THAT WASN'T INCORPORATED.
AND SO THAT WAS WHAT WE HAD PROPOSED AND WE'VE SINCE TALKED TO STAFF, UM, AFTER WE RECEIVED THEIR COMMENTS.
AND SO THAT'S ALREADY SOMETHING WE'RE, WE'RE IN DISCUSSION TO SEE IF WE CAN INCREASE THAT SLIGHTLY.
UM, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE OPPOSED TO BRINGING UP, BUT AS FAR AS IF IT'S THE 250, I HAVE TO DEFER TO MY CLIENT ON THAT.
BUT THAT WAS A COMMENT WE JUST RECEIVED.
SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT.
AS I UNDERSTOOD, THERE WAS ABOUT 50 TENANTS THAT CAN BE PUT IN THE SPACE.
DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY IDEA OR DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY OF THOSE COMMITS ALREADY BEEN SIGNED? I, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF UM, LEASES HAVE BEEN SIGNED OR NOT, BUT I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AS FAR AS WHAT, UM, BUSINESSES ARE COMING OR THEY'RE LOOKING AT.
BUT I, I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE THAT.
AND THE BASIS OF MY QUESTION AND ALL FAIRNESS FOR KEN IS, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH, HOW MANY OF THE 50 HAVE BEEN SIGNED IN RELATION TO
KNOWING THAT IT'S COMING, EVEN THOUGH YOU SAY THAT IT'S COMING.
UM, AND I, I GUESS I, I JUST, THERE'S A BIG QUESTION MARK ON FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
SO FUNCTIONALLY SPEAKING, WHEN YOUR BIG TENANT COMES IN, A LOT OF THE OTHER ONES ARE QUICK TO FOLLOW, IF NOT SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH, AND WE ARE PROPOSING THE PHASING BASICALLY IN TWO PHASES.
SO THE INTENT IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMERCIAL THAT'S LAID OUT WOULD BE DEVELOPED FIRST.
UM, BUT THERE'S ALSO, WE WANNA HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY IF THERE IS SOMEONE WHO HAS INTEREST ON SOME OF THESE OTHER TRACKS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN, UM, SHOWN, UH, LAID OUT CURRENTLY, THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HINDER THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.
SO WE ARE WILLING TO PUT IN A THRESHOLD, LIKE I SAID, AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO NEGOTIATE ON WHAT THE SPECIFIC SQUARE FOOTAGE IS.
THIS WAS, WE HAD PROPOSED A STARTING POINT AND THEY GAVE AN ALTERNATIVE.
SO, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, BUT I WANT TO AT LEAST ADDRESS YOUR, YOUR QUESTION THAT TYPICALLY WHEN ONE COMES IN, THERE ARE ONES THAT FOLLOW AND KIND OF SIMULTANEOUSLY, I JUST DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION ON LIKE THE LEASE AGREEMENTS AND, AND WHAT HAS OR HASN'T BEEN SIGNED.
IN ALL FAIRNESS, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN VERY TYPICAL THOUGH
IT'S, WE'VE HAD SOME CHALLENGES.
I I MEAN, COULD IT BE THAT BEFORE THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IS FILLED IN THAT WE HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS?
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'CAUSE IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S A BIG QUESTION MARK AND I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD BE BEFORE THE, IT'S NOT JUST A BLANK.NOT SAYING THAT THIS MIGHT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THIS IS GREAT, BUT SO AS, AS THE PD D'S WRITTEN, WE'VE INCORPORATED THE REGULATIONS FOR ALL THE, THE USES THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING AND POTENTIALLY ANTICIPATING INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY.
SO ANYTHING THAT COMES IN WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE PUD.
AND IF WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO OR PROPOSING IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PUD, THEN THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION.
BUT THE INTENT WITH THIS IS TO PROVIDE ALL OF THE STANDARDS FOR ANY POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND TO GIVE, AGAIN, SOME OF THAT ASSURANCE OF THE OVERALL COHESIVENESS AND, UM, AESTHETIC OF THE PROJECT.
SO DEPENDING WHAT THOSE USES ARE OR NOT, WE'VE ALREADY PUT STANDARDS IN PLACE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THOSE OR WHAT REGULATIONS THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH.
REMEMBER TOO THAT THIS ORIGINALLY
AND UH, IT'S NOT A SURPRISE TO US.
SO WE NEED TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET AND WE NEED TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.
THERE IS NOT A, A COMMUNITY MEMBER THAT DOESN'T HAVE A QUESTION OF WHEN THE MARKETPLACE IS GOING TO BE BUILT.
AND SO THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED.
WE AGREED TO A LOT OF THINGS BACK IN THE DAY THAT NOW WE WANT TO CHANGE, WHICH IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
I THINK WHEN WE AGREE TO SOMETHING, WE STICK TO IT.
SO BEING GRANDFATHERED TO THE OLD U-L-D-C-I THINK IS THE THING THAT WE NEED TO DO.
WE ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS WHAT WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO.
I, I'D LIKE TO ONLY POINT OUT THAT, UM, WITH WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY, THERE'S ONLY A HANDFUL OF ITEMS THAT, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT COULDN'T DO NOW OR UNDER THE, OR UNDER THE, THE OLD UL DC THAT THAT JUST PASSED.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY ONLY A HANDFUL OF ITEMS THAT ARE REALLY AT, UM, AT QUESTION.
THE SIGNAGE, OF COURSE SOME OF THE STREET SCAPING STUFF, A COUPLE OTHER SMALL ITEMS. THE USES THEMSELVES ARE NOT REALLY A BIG QUESTION.
ALTHOUGH THE, THE, THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AREA, SHOULD THAT INCLUDE MULTIFAMILY, THAT WAS ALWAYS GOING TO NEED A PUD IN ORDER TO ENABLE THAT, THAT WAS UNDER THE OLD CODE.
UH, AND UM, SO, SO AGAIN, THE, THE USES AREN'T A BIG DEAL.
THE, UM, SOME OF THE DESIGN IS SOMETHING SO AGAIN, WHERE THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR CERTAIN THINGS AND WE'VE SAID, OKAY, IN RETURN WE WANT TO SEE THINGS LIKE, UM, I CAN, WHAT SOME OF THE STUFF THAT CATHERINE OUTLINED WITH, UM, BUILDING MATERIALS AND DESIGN AND, AND THINGS THAT WE ORDINARILY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, UM, TO DICTATE AS PART OF THE ZONING CODE OR AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
'CAUSE THAT WAS NEVER PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WAS ALL ABOUT, UH, USERS AND THE, THE TAX REBATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, SO KIND OF KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE TALK THROUGH THIS.
I THINK IF, UH, IF THE APPLICANT WANTED TO GO OUT AND START BUILDING TOMORROW, THERE ARE CERTAIN ASPECTS THAT THEY OF THIS THAT THEY WOULDN'T NEED ANY APPROVALS OTHER THAN BUILDING PERMITS AND ALL THE ON THE GROUND STUFF.
THEY WOULDN'T NEED ANYTHING IN ZONING, UM, FOR CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THIS.
SO, UM, JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AS YOU, AS YOU KIND OF THINK THROUGH THAT.
AND YOU ARE INVITED TO GO CIRCLE TOMORROW,
FINALLY, DO WE HAVE ANY, ARE DO, DOES THE GROUP FIDELIS HAVE ANY PLANS FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND FOR BIKE PARKING? SEVERAL OF US RIDE BIKES.
UM, AND WE'D LOVE TO RIDE SINGLE FAMILY.
THAT'D BE, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE 10 FOOT MINIMUM BECAUSE I THINK THAT SOME OF IT WILL, WILL NOT BE THE MINIMUM.
UH, AND THAT'S ONLY TWO FEET DIFFERENT, SO.
AND THERE'S AREAS ALONG THERE THAT ARE ONLY, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR SIX OR HAVE NOTHING NOW.
SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, A DESIRE OF OURS TO ENHANCE.
AND BEYOND THAT IT'S JUST WE NEED A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY.
I THINK STANDARD TWO, UH, WHENEVER YOU GO TO A MARKETPLACE, WHEREVER YOU GO, THERE ARE VERY LARGE SIGNS ON THE INTERSTATE, UM, WHICH THIS WILL BE ON.
AND UH, WE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION ALSO.
BUT TYPICALLY I THINK THEY'RE ONLY 40 FEET.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOUBLING THE HEIGHT.
SO THERE'S A, I BELIEVE THE ONE THAT WAS OUT THERE FOR THE MALL WAS 80 FEET.
WE'RE NOT EXCEEDING WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THERE.
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I HAVE QUESTIONS IN COMMENTS IF Y'ALL ARE THROUGH, 'CAUSE I HAVE A LIST I KNOW Y'ALL CAN MOAN NOW.WOULD, SO, UH, MY FIRST QUESTION IS TO STAFF IS WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAREHOUSES HERE, RIGHT? I NO, JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT, OUT OUTTA THE WAY STRANGE AS YOU WANT ME TO GIVE YOU THE SMART LIC ANSWER.
UM, SO WHAT WOULD PROHIBIT YOU BY PUTTING THE TREES IN ON THE STREET SCRAPES? WE, WE WILL BE PUTTING THEM WHERE POSSIBLE, BUT THERE'S, WELL THAT'S MY PROBLEM.
WHERE POSSIBLE, WHAT WOULD PROHIBIT PEOPLE PUTTING THEM ALL WAY AROUND THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THAT? SO THAT'S WHERE I, WHAT'S IMPACTED THAT THEY AREN'T ALLOWED TO PUT TREES UNDER CERTAIN EASEMENTS.
SO I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF ON THE LANGUAGE TO CLARIFY BECAUSE IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ELIMINATE THAT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UTILITY EASEMENTS.
SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE, I I WON'T HAVE ANY HEART BEARING OVER 10 VERSUS 12 AS LONG AS WE GET MOST OF THAT AROUND THE FACILITY AND IT DOESN'T BECOME A, A BIG DEAL.
UM, IN RESPONSE TO RICK EARLIER, THAT IF I WAS THE DEVELOPER, I WOULDN'T BE PASSING OUT NAMES WHO'S COMING IN THIS EARLY DEAL.
'CAUSE THAT AFFECTS ALL KIND OF FINANCING AND CONTRACTS AND, AND THINGS THAT'S I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT UH, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.
MY CONCERN FIRST, ISN'T THERE A MORATORIUM ON APARTMENTS AND WHAT'S THE DISTANCE? NO, THERE IS NOT A MORATORIUM AMONG APARTMENTS.
OH, REALLY? UM, MULTIFAMILY IS, THERE IS A DISTANCE.
UM, THERE'S A POLICY, IT'S THE CITY COUNCIL POLICY IS NOT A, UM, IS NOT PART OF THE CODE.
AND, UM, UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, UH, CITY COUNCIL CAN CHOOSE TO, UH, TO WAIVE THAT.
I THINK IT'S A HALF A MILE MM-HMM
FROM ONE MULTIFAMILY TO ANOTHER.
BECAUSE WE CERTAINLY HAVE MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS WITHIN A HALF MILE OF THIS FACILITY.
UM, ACCOUNT FOR THAT, THAT THAT WOULD BASICALLY BYPASS THAT, THAT POLICY.
I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF ADDING MORE APARTMENTS IN BAYTOWN, JUST SO YOU KNOW, UH, ANY OF THOSE APARTMENT COMPLEXES GONNA BE COMMERCIAL AND APARTMENT OFFICES, BUSINESS OFFICES, BUSINESS THINGS LIKE THAT.
LAW, LEGAL IN THE PLAN AS, AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, THERE'S NO SPECIFIC APARTMENTS, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW.
BUT THERE ARE, ALL THE COMMERCIAL USES ARE PERMITTED WITHIN THE PUD SO NOTHING WOULD PROHIBIT THAT FROM BEING A POSSIBILITY.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE IF WE'D HAVE HAD A SHEET SHOWING WHAT STAFF WAS REQUIRING IN WHICH YOU GUYS ARE WANTING TO CHANGE SIDE BY SIDE SO WE COULD LOOK AT 'EM AND NOT HAVE TO BE FLIPPED BACK AND FORTH.
I KNOW THAT'S A, A PRESENTATION TRICK.
UM, I DON'T, I I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ADDING THE SIGNS.
I MEAN THAT'S PRETTY COMMON IN MOST OF THESE TYPE OF COMPLEX.
WHAT I WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM IS IF WE HAVE FLOWING SIGNS, YOU KNOW, REINDEERS DANCING ACROSS THE THING AND LIGHTS FLASHING ALL THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THOSE ARE THOSE, PARTICULARLY ON I 10.
WE DON'T NEED TO CREATE ANY MORE DISTRACTIONS ON I 10.
UH, AND I GOT A BUNCH OF GRANDCHILDREN FIXING TO START DRIVING AND I'M PROMISING YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE THEM ANY DISTRACTIONS.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S NOT REALLY GONNA BOTHER ME.
I'VE ALREADY VOICED MY OPPOSITION TO MAKING LONE STAR AVENUE GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND DUMPING MORE TRAFFIC ON GARTH.
WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
WE, WE HAVE I 10 ENTRANCES, WE HAVE, UH, ENTRANCES ON THE GARTH ROAD COMING AND GOING AND, AND BACKSIDE.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, I I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE IT.
IS THERE A, IS THERE A MEDIUM THROUGH THERE RIGHT NOW? ALL THE WAY? I CAN'T REMEMBER WHETHER THIS WAS BEING PROPOSED.
IS THERE A TURN MEDIUM IN THERE? I DON'T REMEMBER.
I THINK IT WOULD'VE JUST RUN RIGHT INTO THE BUILDING.
SO THIS IS THE, NO, WHEN YOU GO UP TO, WHEN YOU GO UP TO THE GARTH, WHEN YOU GO UP TO THE GARTH LIGHT, IS THERE A YES, A DIVIDER IN BETWEEN THERE? CONCRETE? I DON'T REMEMBER.
'CAUSE WE'VE MOVED THAT STUFF AROUND SO MUCH LATELY.
AND THEN SIR, THIS IS THE PROPOSED CROSS SECTION.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT I AM NOT GONNA VOTE FOR ANYTHING THAT ALLOWS YOU NOT TO BUILD THE FULL RETAIL SQUARE FOOTAGE BEFORE YOU START BUILDING MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS.
UM, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THE DEVELOPER MIGHT DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT, BUT WE'VE SEEN TOO MANY PLANS START UP AND GO DOWN AND START UP AND GO DOWN THIS THING.
MY CONCERN IS IF WE'RE ASKING FOR 200,000 SQUARE FEET AND YOU ONLY BUILD A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS ONE MAJOR STORE, YOU'RE GONNA BUILD ONE MAJOR STORE, THEN BOOM, YOU'RE GONNA GO START BUILDING APARTMENTS AND THAT REST OF THAT DEVELOPMENT WON'T HAPPEN FOR A WHILE, UH, IN THE PROCESS.
AND UH, SO TO ME PERSONALLY, I'M GONNA PUSH REALLY HARD THAT, THAT YOU BUILD A RETAIL OUT BEFORE WE START BUILDING MULTIFAMILY IN HERE.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THAT RETAIL COVERAGE, WHAT DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO WHAT THE OTHER MILE WAS IN TOTAL RETAIL COVERAGE? I DON'T, YOU KNOW OFFHAND, I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
200,000 SQUARE FEET COMPARED TO WHAT THE MALL WAS BEFORE
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IN RETAIL.DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA IT WAS MORE THAN 200,000 SQUARE FEET? YEAH.
'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE PLAN, THIS IS ACTUALLY A SMALLER FOOTPRINT THAN WHAT THE TOTAL, I THINK IT'S CLOSER TO FIVE AND, AND, UH, FIDEL CAN CORRECT ME, BUT I BELIEVE THEY'RE PROPOSING ABOUT 500,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND I BELIEVE THE OLD MALL WAS BETWEEN 750 AND ABOUT A MILLION.
SO WE'RE ASKING, WE'RE ONLY ASKING TO HAVE HALF OF THAT BUILT BEFORE YOU START BUILDING APARTMENTS.
IF WE'RE DOING 200,000, YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH 500,000.
IS THAT CORRECT? IT, I'M ASKING THE QUESTION WITH THE, THE FULL SQUARE FOOTAGE IS, BUT YEAH.
AND FOR CLARIFICATION, WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THE FULL AMOUNT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE'VE GOT LAID OUT ON THE PLAN NOW? NOT TAKING SORRY, SORRY.
UM, NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE PHASE TWO.
ARE YOU LOOKING AT PHASE ONE? LET ME BASICALLY THIS AREA, I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE, WELL I'M ASSUMING THAT THE PHASE TWO IS GONNA BE ALL MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS.
SO HOW MUCH OF THAT'S GONNA BE MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS? HALF OF IT, THIRD OF IT? WELL, IT'S FUTURE.
IT HASN'T BEEN FULLY DETERMINED, BUT IT, IT'D BE ALLOWED TO BE ENTERTAINMENT USES COMMERCIAL, MULTIFAMILY.
THAT'S MY CONCERN THAT WE GET THE RETAIL IN SO THAT WE'RE GETTING THE TRAFFIC AND THE PEOPLE COMING IN.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE SUSANS OF BAYTOWN WANT.
THEY DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF MULTIFAMILY, THEY WANT THE RETAIL IN PLACE AND COMING IN AND THE PROCESS.
SO, UH, I I THINK WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDED ON THE 200,000, IS THAT RIGHT? 2 50, 2 50 IS VERY REASONABLE IF YOU'RE ULTIMATELY GONNA HAVE, UH, 500,000 SQUARE FEET.
I THINK THAT'S VERY REASONABLE BEFORE YOU START BUILDING MULTIFAMILY AND GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
'CAUSE I SUSPECT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I SUSPECT THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET SOME, UH, PUSHBACK ON THE MULTIFAMILY.
YOU HAVEN'T SEEN MY GAS BILL FROM MY WIFE GOING TO WEBSTER AND ALL THE OTHER PLACES SHOPPING.
BUT I WANT IT DONE RIGHT AND I DON'T WANT, I DON'T LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THINGS IF, IF, IF ANYTHING THAT ALLUDES IF WE CAN DO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE THING IS AGREE WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO, AND THEN LET'S FINALLY FOR ONCE ON THIS WHOLE PROJECT, GO DO IT AND GET IT DONE AND DON'T DRAG IT OUT.
UH, I MEAN THIS PROJECT HAS JUST DRUG ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND EVERY TURN IT SEEMS TO ME, NO MATTER HOW MUCH WE WANT IT, AND WE KNOW IT'S GONNA BE GOOD, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME WE TURN AROUND THERE'S A NEW TWIST TO THE STORY Y'ALL PRESENTED IN SEPTEMBER, 2022, THE COUNCIL, AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DEMOED AND DOING THINGS BY THE END OF THAT YEAR.
IT'D BE NICE IF Y'ALL MOWED THE GRASS, BUT IT'S, THEY HAVE BEEN, IT, IT NEEDS TO, YOU KNOW, I JUST, IT'S BEEN DELAYED, SO LET'S LET'S AGREE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO AND GO AND DO IT AND PUT A TIMELINE ON IT AND GET IT DONE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCIL'S GONNA ASK FOR, I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCIL EVEN CAN GIVE YOU PENALTIES FOR NOT DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
I'M SURE THEY'D WANT TO, BUT THIS, THIS PROJECT NEEDS TO MOVE ON.
BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RETAIL GETS PUT IN BEFORE WE START MOVING MULTIFAMILY STUFF IN MAY.
UM, SO A LOT OF RETAILERS, THEY FOLLOW ROOFTOPS.
OF COURSE, I WANNA SEE THE RETAIL TOO.
BUT, UM, SO A LOT OF RETAILERS, UH, THEIR CRITERIA IS THAT THERE ARE X NUMBER OF ROOFTOPS IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY THEM SIGNING A FIVE OR 10 YEAR LEASE.
SO IF YOU GET, YOU GUYS GET TO A NUMBER BEFORE YOU CAN START BUILDING A MULTIFAMILY, I UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLETELY.
WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU CONSIDERING? ROOFTOPS? HOUSES, HOMES, PEOPLE OR DOORS? DOOR DOORS.
WHERE PEOPLE, WHERE PEOPLE LIVE.
OKAY, WELL WE GOT 80,000 OF THOSE IN THE CITY.
I MEAN, HOW MANY MORE DO THEY NEED? UM, SO, UM, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE VISIBILITY, THE WALKABILITY, ALL ALL OF THE ABOVE.
THERE'S A FORMULA THAT THEY, THERE'S LIKE A CIRCLE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CIRCLE'S CALLED, BUT THERE'S A CIRCLE.
THAT'S WHY MONT BELLEVUE IS GETTING STUFF.
AND WE'RE NOT BECAUSE OF THAT.
BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE CIRCLE.
AND THE CIRCLE INCLUDES ECONOMICS.
IT INCLUDES HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE IN THE HOUSEHOLDS.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO INTO, AND THAT'S, I'M NOT, I'M, I'M WITH YOU.
I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE APARTMENTS.
I DON'T, UM, THAT I DON'T LIVE IN.
BUT I'M HOPING THAT SOME OF THIS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT INCLUDE MAYBE A MOVIE THEATER OR INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WHEN WE BUILT STS BOULEVARD, THE PROPOSAL WAS THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE RETAIL SPILLING OVER FROM THE, FROM THIS PROPOSED THING THAT'S COMING, THAT IT WOULD SPILL INTO STS BOULEVARD.
IT WOULD BE NICE LOOKING COMMERCIAL AS WELL.
SO I'M HOPING THAT SOME OF THAT FUTURE
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DEVELOPMENT IS, Y'ALL ARE SOMEHOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT DOES, WHAT, WHAT IT DOES, BUT THAT INCLUDES LIKE A MOVIE THEATER AND ONE OF, ONE OF THOSE LITTLE DAVID, NOT LIKE, KIND OF LIKE DAVID BUSTER, IS THAT WHAT IT'S CALLED? MM-HMMAND THERE HAVE BEEN THINGS THAT WE'VE WRITTEN INTO THE, THE PUD TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS SOME OF THAT, LIKE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ON ENTERTAINMENT USES AND, AND ALLOWING FOR SHARED PARKING STANDARDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT TO PREPARE FOR THAT TYPE OF USE IF IT, IF IT WERE TO COME.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN CONSIDERED AS A PART OF THIS.
SO I, I'M, I'M ASSUMING THAT, BECAUSE I KINDA HAVE SOME SAME QUESTION TOO, THAT IF YOU DO BUILD SOME APARTMENTS, THAT'S NOT ALL THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT MEANS THAT THERE'S ALSO OTHER COMMERCIAL, RIGHT.
LIKE I SAID, IT WOULD BE ANY OF THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED WITHIN THE PUD.
SO THAT'S ALL THE COMMERCIAL USES ALSO.
I FEEL LIKE I WOULD BE DOING A DISSERVICE, AND YOU PROBABLY WILL NOT HAVE AN ANSWER, BUT HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY, I, I KNOW THE QUESTION THAT'S GONNA GET ASKED THE MOST AND WHEN ARE WE GONNA SEE SOME GROUND ON THIS? JUST AN IDEA AND ANYTHING, YOU PROBABLY CAN'T EVEN ANSWER IT.
BUT AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE I WOULD DO A DISSERVICE TO EVERYBODY THAT'S GOING TO ASK THAT QUESTION IF I DIDN'T TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK IT.
SO, AGAIN, I, I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER, BUT I KNOW THAT WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND TRYING TO GET IN PLACE WITH THE PD, ESPECIALLY AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THE FINAL STEPS TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THE ENTITLEMENTS THAT THEY NEED ON THEIR LAND TO ALLOW FOR ALL THE USES, UM, THAT, THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.
SO THIS IS ALL PART OF THE PROCESS, AND I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT IT'S BEING, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN DRAWN OUT, BUT IT, IT IS A LARGE PROCESS THAT'S BEING UNDERTAKEN AND A LOT OF AGREEMENTS AND, UM, DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN.
AND SO IT'S ALL PART OF MAKING THAT POSSIBLE.
I, I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S, UM, SOME PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT IS, THERE WERE, UM, FOUR OR FIVE, UM, APPLICATIONS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, UM, THIS SUMMER.
UM, ONE WAS FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE REMAINING INFRASTRUCTURE AND BLACKTOP THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED, UM, THAT THAT GROUNDBREAKING IS COMING UP IN THE NEXT COUPLE THREE WEEKS.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIG STEP FORWARD.
UM, THE OTHER PERMITS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, HAVE THOSE BEEN APPROVED YET, OR THEY'RE ON THE CUSP OF BEING APPROVED? I KNOW WE'VE HAD, HUH? THEY'RE IN YOUR, YES.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO APPROVING, UM, THE PERMITS ON, UM, SOME OF THE STREET WORK, THE, THE PUBLIC STUFF, THE UTILITIES, UH, AND, UM, THE, THE SITE WORK ITSELF.
SO THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I KNOW THAT I CAN, AGAIN, I, I KNOW THAT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION, SO THEY WANNA KNOW IT IS NOW
UM, I'M
WE HAVE FIVE PLAN SETS SUBMITTED OF CIVIL PLANS.
SOME ARE PUBLIC, SOME ARE PRIVATE ON SITE OFFSITE.
THEY ARE IN THE SECOND ROUND OF REVIEW WITH THE CITY.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE PLANNING A THIRD SUBMITTAL, HOPEFULLY FINAL SUBMITTAL ON THOSE PLAN SETS.
WE DO HAVE A DEMO PERMIT IN HAND.
WE ARE PLAYING A GROUNDBREAKING FOR, IT'S VERY SMALL, JUST, YOU KNOW, SORT OF A PHOTO OP, BUT WE WILL HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL DEMO GOING ON, ON, THERE'S SOME PAVEMENT OUT THERE AND SOME A LITTLE BIT OF UNDERGROUND UTILITY AND STUFF THAT WE NEED TO TAKE UP.
SO WE ARE GONNA ACTUALLY START SEEING MOVEMENT OUT THERE.
YOU'LL GET THE GRASS MOW,
WE'RE TRYING HARD
I, I, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS OR I JUST, I'M A VISUAL PERSON, SO WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS A CITY CENTER, CORRECT.
BECAUSE I THINK BAYTOWN HAS THEIR BLINDERS ON FOR A MALL, AND I THINK WE NEED TO REMOVE THOSE AND WE NEED TO SAY MALL.
WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT VISUALLY? SO TO ME, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I'M LOOKING AT A CITY CENTER WITH A TALK OF ENTERTAINMENT, WITH THE TALK OF ROOFTOPS, WITH THE TOP OF ALL THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE THE VISUAL THOUGHT TO A CITY CENTER.
AND I THINK THAT WAS A CONSTANT PROP.
PELICAN GREEN, ALL ALONG THE OPEN SPACE OF PELICAN GREEN IS ALMOST AN ACRE AND A HALF OF OPEN SPACE THAT WE ARE DEDICATING TO THAT.
AND THAT WAS SET FORTH IN THE THREE 80 AGREEMENT, UM, BACK IN 22.
IN FACT, THE ENTIRE FIRST PHASE IS SITE PLAN TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SITE PLAN.
THAT WAS PART OF THE THREE 80 AGREEMENT.
SO THERE IS NO MULTI-FAMILY PLANNED IN THIS FIRST PHASE, AND WE DON'T FORESEE THAT.
WE DO HAVE LEASES WORKING FOR LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE ANCHOR TENANT THAT YOU SEE THERE.
THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF ACTIVITY FOR THE MULTI-TENANT BUILDINGS THAT ARE AROUND PELICAN
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GREEN RIGHT NOW.SO THERE, THERE'S, AND WE ARE NOT PLANNING TO PHASE THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WE ARE PLANNING TO BRING EVERYTHING OUT OF THE GROUND AT THE SAME TIME.
THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF INTEREST.
SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT LIMITING WHAT HAPPENS IN PHASE TWO, ROOFTOPS, ET CETERA, WOULD THAT ALSO LIMIT LIKE AN ENTERTAINMENT? SO FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY YOU GET THE BIG, BIG ANCHOR DONE, RIGHT? WHICH IS NOT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AND TOPGOLF WANTS TO COME IN.
ARE YOU ALLOWED TO DO THAT? OR DOES THAT LIMIT IT'S, UM, SPECIFICALLY MULTIFAMILY.
SO IF THE ENTERTAINMENT WANTS TO COME THROUGH, ANYTHING ELSE? WE'RE WE'VE GOOD TO GO.
WE'VE ALREADY BEEN, YEAH, WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSIONS WITH A FEW, UM, ENTERTAINMENT USERS THAT YOU WOULD KNOW NAMES OF THAT HAVE COME TO US.
AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF IT'S JUST SITE PLANNING, FINESSING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S PLENTY OF RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL INTEREST IN THIS SITE, IN THIS, IN THE FUTURE PHASES.
SO THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS LIMITED TO ROOFTOPS.
THAT, THAT WAS, THAT'S THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.
I MEAN, I THINK WE ALL JUST KIND OF PICKED A NUMBER.
BUT, UM, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO GOING OVER A HUNDRED.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ARE WE GETTING A PF CHANGS? NO.
I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I WANNA GIVE YOU THE IMPRESSION THAT WE'RE NOT WELCOME YOU TO COME AND DO WHAT YOU DO.
YOU GUYS HAVE, YOU, YOU'RE A THOUSAND PERCENT FURTHER AHEAD THAN ANY OF YOUR PREDECESSORS ARE
UH, YOU KNOW, THE MERE FACT THAT IT'S GONE AND IT'S MORE THAN WHAT'S GOING.
SO, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT I'M GETTING AT THE AGE OF MY LIFE WHERE I KIND OF WANNA SEE IT BEFORE I REALLY START BELIEVING IT
SO I, I ENCOURAGE IT TO MOVE FORWARD AS, AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE.
BECAUSE WHEN THE NEWS GETS OUT THAT YOU'RE THIS FAR OUT IN, I, IF, IF THEY'RE NOT ALREADY, I THINK MIKE LESTER SAID COUNCIL OR NOT, THAT'S THE MOST ASKED QUESTION HE GETS IN HIS CONSTITUENCY IS, WHEN'S THE MALL COMING? WHEN'S THE MALL COMING? YOU KNOW, MALL.
LOOK FORWARD TO YOU GUYS SOONER.
THE BETTER MALL SHOPPING CENTER LIKE A MARKETPLACE, MAYBE RE LIKE YOU LIKE TO REBRAND IT, MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? WE CAN'T WAIT FOR THE KIDS.
SO I'M ASKING FROM STAFF'S POINT OF VIEW, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT, UM, ANYBODY AT THE D HERE WOULD LIKE FOR THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS BETWEEN NOW AND THE OCTOBER 15TH PUBLIC HEARING? ANYTHING THAT HASN'T ALREADY BEEN SAID? NO.
WE, WE, TONIGHT, THIS DISCUSSION WAS KIND OF OUT OF THE ORDINARY FOR, UM, OUR NORMAL PROCESS BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE GET TO THAT ACTUAL PUBLIC HEARING DATE THAT WE'VE IRONED OUT ALL THE WRINKLES AND THAT THAT PROCESS CAN MOVE A LITTLE SMOOTHER BECAUSE OF THAT.
THANK YOU FOR YOU GUYS COMING OUT AND, AND PRESENTING AS WELL.
UH, WE JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE MORE COMMENT ON SIGNAGE.
UM, AND I KNOW RYAN HAD SUGGESTED A VERY GOOD VISUAL, WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY DIRECTED OUR ARCHITECT TO CREATE.
WE WANT TO SHOW HOW THE SIGNAGE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING INTEGRATES WITH WHAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE, BOTH ON THE I 10 FRONT AND THE GARTH BURN, SO THAT YOU CAN SEE SORT OF THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING MORE SIGNAGE, POLLUTION, THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY CREATING AN AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, COHESIVE LOOK FOR OUR ENTIRE PROJECT, INCLUDING OUR SIGNAGE.
AND WE DO, UNFORTUNATELY, HAVE SO MANY OF OUR TENANTS NOT WITH DIRECT ACCESS ONTO GARTH AND VIRTUALLY NONE ON I 10 BECAUSE ALL THOSE USERS ARE EXISTING, THAT WE REALLY NEED TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE THESE PEOPLE THEIR BEST OPPORTUNITY TO BE AS SUCCESSFUL AS POSSIBLE IN THIS PROJECT.
I NEED TO GET YOUR SIGNS UP BEFORE BECKY'S SO PEOPLE CAN TAKE RIGHT.
SO CAN CLOSE THIS OUT AND MOVE ON TO, UH, EIGHT EIGHT.
ALRIGHT, MARTIN, CAN YOU PLEASE, UH, TELL US WHAT YOUR REAKFAST IS? UH, THANK YOU.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THE BIG ITEM, UH, THAT, UH, MY, MY THUNDER GOT STOLEN EARLY WAS, UM, ULDC, UH, WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL LAST WEEK.
THAT WAS TWO YEARS IN THE MAKING THAT INCLUDED THE NEW MAP.
UM, AND SO, UM, WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
WE WILL BE DOING SOME TRAINING FOR, UH, FOR PLANNING STAFF, FOR OTHER, UH, FOR OTHER DEPARTMENT STAFF FOR, UH, P AND Z WE'LL, WE'LL KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF HOW THE, HOW THE WHOLE DOCUMENT WORKS, UM, ESPECIALLY AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE JUST USED FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS AND HOW THIS IS DIFFERENT, UM, WHY IT'S BETTER.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF TOOLS THAT WE WILL BE ROLLING OUT
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AS WELL.NEW TOOLS THAT MAKE IT EASIER TO USE, EASIER TO FIND STUFF AND EASIER TO WEED THROUGH THE STUFF THAT YOU DON'T NEED.
UM, WE ARE NOT QUITE AT THAT POINT YET.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT WITH OUR CONSULTANT UP THROUGH THIS THIS ENTIRE TIME.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT AS PART OF THIS FOR THE LAST PROBABLY YEAR AND A HALF.
UM, AND ACTUALLY HAVE A NEW PIECE THAT'S JUST COMING, UH, COMING INTO SHAPE HERE NOW THAT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
SO, UM, WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT HAVING A MORE USABLE DOCUMENT, BUT ALSO, AGAIN, THESE TOOLS THAT I THINK WILL, WILL HELP KIND OF, UM, CUT THROUGH A LOT OF THE, THE OTHER STUFF.
SO, UM, THE, UH, THAT SAID, THERE WAS ONE THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT, UM, WITH THAT, THAT TONIGHT WE SAW SOME PLATS.
UH, WE DID SEE SOME FINAL PLATS.
I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, BUT I WANTED TO REMIND YOU WHEN THIS, UM, WHEN THIS WAS ADOPTED, THIS ALSO BASICALLY SAID THAT PLATS FROM NOW ON THE FINAL PLATS WILL NO LONGER COME TO PNZ BECAUSE AS WE'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, THAT'S A MINISTERIAL.
UM, UM, THAT'S A MINISTERIAL, UH, UH, DUTY BY THIS BOARD.
UM, IT'LL STILL NEED SIGN OFF BY OUR CHAIR.
UM, BUT REALLY THE APPROVAL PART COMES FROM STAFF SAYING, YES, IT EITHER MEETS THE, THE CODE OR IT DOES NOT.
WE'RE GONNA STILL BRING THE PRELIMINARY PLATS NOW BY STATE LAW.
IF WE DIDN'T WANNA DO PRELIMINARY PLATS AT A, AT THIS BOARD, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT EITHER.
WE FELT THAT IN ORDER FOR YOU GUYS TO ALL BE IN THE KNOW AND, AND SEE WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE PIPE, WE THOUGHT PRELIMINARY PLATS SHOULD STILL COME TO THIS BOARD.
SO YOU WILL STILL SEE THOSE, YOU'LL STILL HAVE, UH, APPROVAL, UH, AUTHORITY ON THOSE.
THE FINAL PLATS, AGAIN, WILL JUST BE APPROVED BY STAFF AND THEN, UM, WITH SIGN OFF BY, UH, BY RICK AND BY MYSELF.
SO, UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU OF THAT YOU, YOU WON'T SEE THOSE FINAL PLATS COMING, UM, ON YOUR, UM, ON YOUR AGENDAS ANYMORE, UM, UNLESS THEY HAVE VARIANCES ATTACHED TO THEM.
IS THAT CORRECT? VARIANCES WOULD STILL HAVE TO, WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
SORRY, DID YOU MENTION THAT'S COMING UP IN NOVEMBER? UM, NO, GO AHEAD.
UH, SO, UH, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS, UM, THIS IS A LARGE DOCUMENT.
WE TOLD COUNSEL, UH, AND WE WILL SHARE IT WITH YOU ALL AS WELL.
WE WILL BE BRINGING, UH, SOME AMENDMENTS TO THIS BODY.
UH, WE ARE TEEING THOSE UP MORE THAN LIKELY FOR NOVEMBER, SO THAT THEY WOULD GO BEFORE COUNCIL IN DECEMBER SO THAT THEY WOULD BE, UH, APPROVED HOPEFULLY BEFORE THE CODE OFFICIALLY GOES INTO EFFECT JANUARY 1ST.
SO, UH, THE CODE DOES HAVE A DATE OF JANUARY 1ST.
WE HAVE, UH, TOLD PEOPLE, WE HAVE SOME DEVELOPERS WHO ARE EXCITED TO ALREADY USE THE NEW CODE.
SO WE ARE ALLOWING FOLKS TO, UH, USE THE NEW CODE IF THEY WISH.
UM, BUT IT WILL NOT OFFICIALLY GO INTO EFFECT AND PEOPLE WILL NOT HAVE TO MEET THE CODE UNTIL JANUARY 1ST.
SO, UM, WE HEARD SOME COMMENTS FROM, UH, A COUNCIL, UH, MEMBER LESTER, UH, DURING THE APPROVAL.
UM, AND WE HAVE OURSELVES HAVE LOOKED AT SOME OF, UM, INTERNALLY A A FEW THINGS THAT STILL NEED TO BE CHANGED AS WELL.
SO, UM, YOU ALL WILL SEE A, A, UM, A, A SERIES OF AMENDMENTS THAT WILL, UH, MORE THAN LIKELY COME BEFORE YOU ALL IN NOVEMBER.
SO JUST TO KINDA KEEP THAT IN MIND.
YEAH, AND I THINK WE KINDA WARNED YOU THAT THAT WAS GONNA BE THE CASE, THAT WE WILL SEE SOME CHANGES TO THIS AS A BRAND NEW DOCUMENT OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, UM, JUST TO TRY AND, AND SEE WHAT WORKS.
AND, AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT QUITE FRANKLY, WE MISSED BECAUSE IT'S OVER 400 PAGES AND WE'RE GETTING THERE.
UM, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING UP TONIGHT IS, UM, COMMISSIONER BEARD HAD BROUGHT UP TO ME, UM, THE REQUEST ABOUT AN ALEXANDER, UM, UH, NORTH ALEXANDER ROAD PLANNING STUDY AND KINDA WHERE THAT'S AT.
YOU, YOU AS A BOARD HAVE, UM, HAVE GIVEN SOME FEEDBACK TO STAFF THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE PLANNING HAPPENING FOR THAT CORRIDOR.
UM, AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, UH, WE'RE JUST FINISHING UP OUR BUDGET CYCLE FOR THE CITY.
UM, AS SUCH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANNING STUDIES THAT WERE APPROVED IN THE BUDGET FOR THIS COMING YEAR.
THAT SAID, UM, RYAN AND I ARE WORKING ON HOW DO WE GET THROUGH WHAT WE'VE GOT ON OUR PLATES RIGHT NOW, AND HOPEFULLY AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, WE'RE GONNA COME UP WITH A PLAN TO DO, UM, AT THE VERY LEAST, SOME IN-HOUSE STUDIES, SOMETHING, UM, IT, IT MAY BE A LITTLE ON THE BASIC SIDE, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN USE TO BETTER PLAN FOR, FOR THAT CORRIDOR.
SO KNOW THAT IT'S NOT OFF THE TABLE AND IT HASN'T BEEN FORGOTTEN.
WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO SHIFT GEARS A LITTLE BIT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE, THE FINANCIAL COMMITMENT OF, OF GETTING A CONSULTANT TO DO THAT.
WE DO HAVE THE IN-HOUSE EXPERTISE, UM, TO DO THIS.
IT'S ABOUT FINDING THE TIME REALLY MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, WE, WE ARE STILL DOWN A COUPLE OF STAFF MEMBERS, SO, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO, TO KEEP UP ON THAT.
UM, THAT SAID, THAT IS ALL I HAVE FROM MY REPORT AND, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
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THAT, UH, WE EXHAUSTED ALL THE ECONOMICS.HEY, HOW ARE YOU? YES, I KNOW, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE COMES AROUND EVERY FOUR DAYS.