Aug 24, 2023 CITY COUNCIL MEETING

OF CITY OF BAYTOWN EMPLOYEES FOR THE YEARS OF SERVICE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO.

A IS RECOGNITION

[a. Recognize City of Baytown Employees for their Years of Service.]

MR. LOPEZ.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL HAPPENED.

DO YOU RECOGNIZE OUR AUGUST YEARS OF SERVICE EMPLOYEES? ANGEL NEGRO WASTEWATER OPERATOR WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING.

JOHNNY NGUYEN, PATROL OFFICER WITH POLICE, GILBERT GARCIA, RADIO AND CELL EQUIPMENT SPECIALIST WITH ITS ROBERT GOMEZ, UTILITY MAINTENANCE SPECIALIST WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING.

KIM UTI, OPEN RECORD SPECIALIST WITH POLICE.

RHONDA IVAN, MUNICIPAL COURT CLERK.

BORN IN A RURAL COUNTRYSIDE OF LAFAYETTE, LOUISIANA.

RHONDA MOVED TO THE HOUSTON AREA AS A YOUNG GIRL TO START SCHOOL AFTER WORKING FOR MANY YEARS IN THE HOTEL INDUSTRY.

IN JUNE OF 1998, RHONDA LANDED AT THE BAYTOWN MUNICIPAL COURT AS A TEMPORARY WORKER ANSWERING PHONES AND FILING PAPERWORK.

THE COURT ADMINISTRATOR IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZED HER PROPENSITY FOR HARD WORK AND RELIABILITY, AND SHE WAS ENCOURAGED TO APPLY FOR A FULL-TIME POSITION WITH THE CITY, AND THE REST IS HISTORY.

AT THAT TIME, THE COURT OPERATED OUT OF A SMALL AREA IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH NO COMPUTERS.

COURT WORK WAS COMPLETED WITH WRITTEN RECEIPTS, CARBON PAPER, LEDGER BOOKS, AND CASH ONLY.

RHONDA'S LOVE FOR MONEY AND PEOPLE, AND HELPING OTHERS MADE HER A NATURAL FOR THE JOB.

OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS, RHONDA HAS HAD A FRONT ROW SEAT TO THE BUILDING OF THE NEW COURTHOUSE, THE INSTALLATION OF CREDIT CARD MACHINES AND SOFTWARE MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS. SHE'S WORKED WITH COUNTLESS CLERKS, FIVE DIFFERENT COURT ADMINISTRATORS, SIX PROSECUTORS, AND AT LEAST EIGHT JUDGES.

STILL TODAY, IF YOU ASK HER WHAT HER SECRET IS, SHE WILL TELL YOU, I JUST LOVE TO COME TO WORK.

WHEN ASKED TO REFLECT ON HER GREATEST CONTRIBUTION TO THE COURT, SHE HOPES TO BE REMEMBERED FOR HER WORK ETHIC AND THE WAY SHE TREATS OTHER PEOPLE.

COWORKERS DESCRIBE HER AS FUN AND KNOWLEDGEABLE AND AN INSPIRATION SAYING, WITH RHONDA, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THE DAY IS GONNA BRING.

SHE'S FAMOUS FOR HER OBSESSION FOR PORK RUNS FRITOS AND CINNAMON DISC CANDYING.

SHE ALSO REFUSES TO DRIVE OVER BRIDGES, AND SHE KNOWS EVERY PIECE OF DAYTIME GOSSIP EVEN BEFORE IT HAPPENS.

EVERY DAY, CUSTOMERS COME TO THE WINDOW AND WAIT, JUST SO THEY CAN BE HELD BY MISS RHONDA.

HER FAVORITE PIECE OF ADVICE AFTER YEARS OF TACKLING NEW CHALLENGES AND NAVIGATING CHANGE IS SIMPLE WORDS OF ENCOURAGEMENT.

YOU'RE NEVER TOO OLD TO LEARN.

JUST TAKE IT ONE DAY AT A TIME AND YOU CAN DO IT WHEN SHE'S NOT AT WORK.

YOU CAN FIND RHONDA BUYING SHOES, BARGAINING FOR A GOOD DEAL, HEADING OUT TO CASINOS, OR COOKING UP SOME DELICIOUS OXTAILS OR CAJUN GUMBO.

THANK YOU, RHONDA, FOR ALL OF YOUR YEARS OF EXCELLENT SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

TRACY LINDSEY, LIEUTENANT

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WITH FIRE.

TRACY BEGAN HIS CAREER WITH THE CITY OF BAYTOWN FIRE DEPARTMENT IN AUGUST OF 1993.

PRIOR TO HIS EMPLOYMENT WITH THE CITY, HE WAS ENLISTED IN THE US COAST GUARD AND RECEIVED NUMEROUS MERITORIOUS UNIT CITATIONS AND THE NATIONAL DEFENSE MEDAL DURING THE PERSIAN GULF WAR.

DURING HIS ENLISTMENT, HE WAS ALSO SENT TO TOLEDO, OHIO FOR MARITIME FIREFIGHTING TRAINING, WHICH SET THE STAGE FOR HIS LIFELONG CAREER.

TRACY COMPLETED HIS FIRE SCHOOL AND EMT BASIC CLASSES AT COLLEGE OF THE MAINLAND, THEN WORKED AS A FIREFIGHTER AT STATIONS TWO AND FOUR UNTIL HE PROMOTED TO EQUIPMENT OPERATOR IN 2001.

IN 2005, HE PROMOTED TO LIEUTENANT AND REMAINED AT STATION TWO WHERE HE CONTINUES TO SERVE TODAY.

THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER, TRACY HAS COMPLETED MULTIPLE CERTIFICATIONS, INCLUDING INSTRUCTOR ONE, FIRE OFFICER, ONE ADVANCED FIREFIGHTER, AND ADVANCED MARINE FIREFIGHTER, AND HAS SERVED AS THE LOCAL 1173 BAYTOWN PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS HONOR GUARD FOR OVER 10 YEARS.

TRACY WAS ON ACTIVE DUTY FOR BOTH HURRICANE IKE IN 2008 AND HURRICANE HARVEY IN 2017.

HE ALSO RESPONDED TO A FISHING BOAT INCIDENT IN AUGUST OF 2014, IN WHICH THE BOAT WAS CAPSIZED IN TABS BAY DURING AN AFTERNOON STORM, RESULTING IN A MULTI-AGENCY RESPONSE AND SEVERAL HOURS OF WORK TO BREACH THE STEEL HOLE.

FINALLY FREEING THE SUBJECT FROM THE ENGINE COMPARTMENT.

TRACY CONSIDERS HIS CAREER HIGHLIGHT TO BE WHEN HE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF OVERSEEING THE DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION, AND DELIVERY OF BAYTOWN FIRE DEPARTMENT'S.

FIRST FIREBOAT MARINE TWO, WHICH WAS A VERY LENGTHY PROCESS THAT REQUIRED A LOT OF DETAIL AND DEDICATION.

ONE OF TRACY'S MOST MEMORABLE MOMENTS WAS WHEN HE WORKED A ROUTINE CAR FIRE IN SEPTEMBER OF 2013.

THE OWNER OF THE VEHICLE WAS JOSEPH P KERWIN, A NASA ASTRONAUT AND SCIENTIST WHO WORKED ON THE SKY LAB TOO.

SEVERAL WEEKS LATER, THE BAYTOWN CREW MEMBERS WHO WORKED THE CAR FIRE RECEIVED AN AUTOGRAPHED BOOK FROM ALL THREE OF THE ASTRONAUTS IN INVOLVED IN THE SKYLAB PROJECT.

IN HIS SPARE TIME, TRACY ENJOYS SPENDING TIME WITH HIS KIDS AND GRANDKIDS ALONG WITH BEING OUTDOORS AND ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH MOTORCYCLES.

THANK YOU, LIEUTENANT LINDSAY FOR YOUR 30 YEARS OF DEDICATED SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

PAUL MUNOZ, LIEUTENANT WITH FIRE.

PAUL BEGAN HIS CAREER WITH THE BAYTOWN FIRE DEPARTMENT IN AUGUST, 1993.

WHILE EMPLOYED WITH THE CITY, THE DEPARTMENT SENT HIM THE FIRE SCHOOL AND EMT CLASSES AT THE COLLEGE OF THE MAINLAND.

UPON GRADUATION, PAUL WAS ASSIGNED TO STATION SIX.

AFTER ONLY FIVE YEARS WITH THE DEPARTMENT, HE PROMOTED TO EQUIPMENT OPERATOR AND MOVED TO STATION THREE, WHERE HE SPENT THE NEXT 20 YEARS OF HIS CAREER.

IN 2000, PAUL WAS ELECTED AS PRESIDENT OF THE BAYTOWN PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS ASSOCIATION, LOCAL 1173, AND HE SERVED A TWO YEAR TERM.

DURING HIS TIME, THE LOCAL ACQUIRED COLLECTIVE BARGAINING RIGHTS THROUGH A CITY ELECTION AND NEGOTIATED THE FIRST LABOR CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF BAYTOWN.

IN 2007, PAUL PROMOTED TO LIEUTENANT AND WAS ASSIGNED TO THE TRAINING DIVISION WHERE HE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR TRAINING AND THE CERTIFICATIONS OF THE ENTIRE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

AND THEN IN 2009, HE TRANSFERRED BACK TO HIS PREVIOUS ASSIGNMENT AT STATION THREE, WHERE HE WAS ABLE TO WORK WITH MUCH OF THE SAME CREW THAT HE WORKED WITH BEFORE.

CURRENTLY, PAUL IS THE STATION LIEUTENANT AT STATION SIX.

PAUL HAS AN ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE OF APPLIED SCIENCE AND FIRE PROTECTION TECHNOLOGY, A MASTER FIREFIGHTER AND MASTER INVESTIGATOR CERTIFICATION, A HAZMAT TECHNICIAN CERTIFICATION.

A DRIVER OPERATOR PUMPER CERTIFICATION IS A FIRE OFFICER ONE AND AN INSTRUCTOR TWO.

IN HIS SPARE TIME, PAUL ENJOYS THE OUTDOORS, TRAVELING AND SEEING NEW PLACES, WATCHING ASTROS GAMES, AND SPENDING TIME WITH FRIENDS AND FAMILY, ESPECIALLY HIS THREE NEW GRANDKIDS.

THANK YOU, LIEUTENANT PAUL MUNOZ FOR 30 YEARS OF EXCELLENT SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

WE ARE CERTAINLY PROUD OF A LOT OF OUR, UM, EMPLOYEES AND CERTAINLY THE LONGEVITY A LOT OF 'EM HAVE, UH, WITH THE CI FOR THE CITIZENS OF BAYTOWN.

UM, I THINK ITEM TWO B, UM, IS I'M TOLD, UM, THERE'S NO ONE HERE TO RECEIVE THE PROCLAMATION, SO I'LL MOVE ON TO

[c. Present a proclamation designating September, 2023 as National Preparedness Month. ]

ITEM TWO.

C IS, UH, TO PRESENT A PROCLAMATION DESIGNATING SEPTEMBER, 2023 AS NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH BE BEFORE I READ THE, THE PROCLAMATION.

AND SO I'M, MY FINGERS ARE STILL CROSSED THAT, THAT WE AREN'T, UH, THE, UH, IN THE CROSSHAIRS OF ANY TYPE OF STORM, ALTHOUGH IT'S PROBABLY THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN A LOT OF OUR CITIZENS, WE LITERALLY ARE JUST PRAYING FOR A SMALL CAT, ONE HURRICANE TO COME TO BAYTOWN JUST FOR THE NEEDED RAIN AND SO ON.

UH, WE CERTAINLY TAKE IT, BUT I DID HEAR, I THINK RIGHT BEFORE WE STARTED WORK SESSION, I DID HEAR SOME THUNDER OUTSIDE AND THERE'S REPORTS OF WET STUFF COMING OUT, COMING OUTTA THE SKY.

SO WE ARE CERTAINLY HAPPY TO HEAR THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

BUT, UM, I CAN TELL YOU WITH, UH, THE PAST FEW YEARS, UM, OF, UH, IF IT'S A MAJOR FREEZE,

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OBVIOUSLY, THAT WE EXPERIENCE, IF IT'S OTHER STORMS THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED IN BAYTOWN, UH, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE CITIZENS, UH, CAN REST ASSURED THAT WE HAVE GREAT STAFF, CREDENTIALED STAFF, EXPERIENCED STAFF THAT IS READY TO GO AND ENSURE, UH, ENSURE THAT OUR CITIZENS ARE SAFE AND, AND FREE FROM HARM, UH, WITH ALL THINGS CONSIDERED.

SO I CERTAINLY AM VERY PROUD OF OUR, ALL OUR PERSONNEL, THAT THAT IS PART OF OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM HERE IN BAYTOWN.

SO WITH THAT, THIS PROCLAMATION FOR THE CITY OF BAYTOWN NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH OF 2020 OF, FOR THIS YEAR OF 2023 NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO RAISE AWARENESSES ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND TO ENCOURAGE EVERY RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF BAYTOWN TO PREPARE THEIR HOMES, BUSINESSES, AND COMMUNITIES FOR ANY TYPE OF EMERGENCY, FROM NATURAL DISASTERS TO POTENTIAL HUMAN CAUSED THREATS, INVESTING IN THE PREPAREDNESS OF OURSELVES, OUR FAMILIES, BUSINESSES, AND COMMUNITIES CAN REDUCE FATALITIES AND ECONOMIC DAMAGE IN OUR COMMUNITIES AND IN OUR NATION.

THE BAYTOWN LOCAL EMERGENCY EMERGENCY PLANNING COMMITTEE AND GOOSE CREEK CONSOLIDATED INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT ARE WORKING TO EDUCATE INDIVIDUALS ON HOW TO SHELTER IN PLACE BY EQUIPPING SCHOOLS WITH NEW SHELTER IN PLACE.

KITS AND EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF EVERY COMMUNITY MEMBER AND ALL RESIDENTS ARE URGED TO MAKE PREPAREDNESS A PRIORITY, ALL, EXCUSE ME.

WHEREAS ALL RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF BAYTOWN ARE ENCOURAGED TO VISIT THE CITY'S WEBSITE AT WWW BAYTOWN.ORG/PREPAREDNESS AND BECOME MORE PREPARED NOW.

THEREFORE, I BRANDON CILLO, AS MAYOR OF THE CITY OF BAYTOWN, TEXAS DO HEREBY PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER, 2023 AS NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH IN BAYTOWN.

ENCOURAGE ITS OUR CITIZENS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE PROPERLY PREPARED.

NEXT WE HAVE OUR CITIZEN COMMENTS.

UH, THANK YOU FOR, FOR THE CHIEF AND EVERYONE ELSE, UM, FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO WHEN, WHEN, UM, WHEN WE ARE IN THE CROSS HAIRS.

[3. CITIZEN COMMENTS Notice is hereby given that in accordance with the Texas Open Meetings Act, Texas Government Code, Chapter 551, prohibits the City Council from discussing, deliberating, or considering, subjects for which public notice has not been given on the agenda. Issues that cannot be referred to the administration for action may be placed on the agenda of a future City Council Session.]

IS THERE ANYONE THAT HAS SIGNED UP FOR GENERAL CI CITIZEN COMMENTS, MA'AM? OKAY.

WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM THIS LIST HERE.

SO, OKAY.

I NEED THAT LIST THAT'S ON.

SO WE HAVE ZOOM.

CAN, CAN I GET THAT LIST OR, AND THE ONES ON ZOOM ARE IN HERE.

IS THAT THE ONE? MM-HMM .

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE HAVE, UH, DAVID ISAAC THAT'S ON ZOOM.

CAN WE, I GUESS GET HIM TO HOLD THAT UP? I'M HERE.

UH, YOU HEAR, UH, WE CAN HEAR YOU.

CAN YOU HEAR US? YES.

ALL RIGHT.

GO AHEAD AND, UH, I GUESS, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

DAVID ISAAC, 28 12 LANDMARK DRIVE.

MR. MAYOR, UH, MAY I BEGIN AGAIN? YES, SIR.

SIR? UH, I MAYOR, IT'S COMING TO MY ATTENTION THAT, UH, THE RESIDENCE IS THE ONE DEPARTMENT ON WAR ROAD AND HAVE, UH, 23 DAYS OUTTA GAS SERVICE, UH, UNABLE WOULD COOK, UH, PROPERLY UNABLE, WOULD TAKE ONE BATH, UH, SANITARY ISSUE, PERHAPS EVEN A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.

UH, ALTHOUGH THIS IS A LARGER SCALE, UH, ISSUE NEEDS TO BE HOME IN, IN WITH, UH, FOR LITTLE SLOW NORTH, UH, IN OUR TOWN.

WE'VE HAD THESE ISSUES LIKE THIS BEFORE, AND, UH, WE LOT UNDERSTAND, UH, SOME OF THE, THESE ISSUES ARE, ARE ADDRESSING.

IT COULD BE OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW OF, OF COUNCIL DIRECTLY.

UH, THESE FOLKS NEED ADVOCATE FROM RRC COUNCIL SPECIFICALLY.

I JUST SPECIFIC, UH, THIS IS MARK, MIKE WEST'S DISTRICT.

AND, UH, THOSE RESIDENTS LIKE TO SEE SOME HELP, SOME SORT OF SUPPORT WITH THE CITY, PERHAPS TALKING TO THE D OR OTHER ENTITIES, UH, TO HELP ALLEVIATE THE SITUATION.

PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING.

IT IS OUR DUTY TO SPEAK UP HERE AT THESE MEETINGS, UH, AND MAKE OURSELVES HEARD AND MAKE OURSELVES, UH, AVAILABLE TO, UH, COMMUNICATE, UH, THESE ISSUES, UH, LIKE WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING AT THE WATER.

MR. MR. MAYOR, COUNSEL, APPRECI, APPRECIATE TIME.

THANK YOU, MR. ISAAC.

ALRIGHT, COUNSEL.

UM, CERTAINLY THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CERTAINLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN SUPPORT AND CERTAINLY WE, WE ARE, WE ARE AWARE, OKAY.

AWARE TODAY, OKAY? SO,

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A, UM, ASK THAT WE CAN MOVE THIS ITEM UP.

APPRECIATE IT.

AND WE WILL CERTAINLY, UM, TRY TO ASSIST IN ANY MANNER THAT WE CAN WHEN IT COMES TO OBVIOUSLY OUR CITIZENS IN THE WELFARE, GENERAL WELFARE OF THEM, UM, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY LIVE.

AND IF IT'S IN YOUR COUNCIL DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, UM, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU AND MYSELF, WE GET TOGETHER AND, UM, LET'S TRY TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN.

OKAY? BEGIN, MAYOR, FOUND OUT ABOUT IT LATE THIS AFTERNOON, AND MY FIRST PHONE CALL IN THE MORNING, WE WILL BE TO OKAY.

SOME FOLKS HERE IN THE CITY.

ALL RIGHTY.

APPRECIATE IT.

ALRIGHT, MOVE ON.

UH, THANK YOU MR. ISAAC FOR YOUR TIME AND WE'LL MOVE ON NEXT.

I BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA TAKE SOMETHING OUTTA ORDER, IF I MAY.

UH, INDU BE INDULGED BY COUNSEL.

I THINK ITEM 10

[a. Present the Traffic Safety and Resource Fair hosted by Municipal Court and the Baytown Police Department.]

IT'S GONNA BE TO PRESENT THE TRAFFIC SAFETY AND RESOURCE FAIR HOSTED BY MUNICIPAL COURT AND THE BAYTOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND WE HAVE JUDGE ESCALANTE, I BELIEVE, WITH US THIS EVENING.

WE WILL GET BACK TO ITEM FOUR A, WHICH IS TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE CITY OF BAYTOWN FISCAL YEAR 2324, PROPOSED MUNICIPAL BUDGET.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MOVING THIS.

UM, I AM JUST VERY HONORED TONIGHT TO PRESENT TO YOU.

I KNOW EVERYBODY THINKS TRAFFIC CAN'T BE FUN, BUT WE'RE ABOUT TO MAKE IT FUN.

UH, AND I'M GONNA INTRODUCE YOU WITH GREAT PRIDE TO MY COURT ADMINISTRATOR, ANNA GUILLO AND OUR OUTREACH, COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND JUVENILE CASE MANAGER JESSICA BROWN.

AND I'M GONNA JUST LET THEM TAKE OVER.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR CAPTIO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY STAFF, AND CITIZENS.

UH, WE WANT TO, UH, WE'RE HERE TODAY TO PERSONALLY INVITE YOU TO OUR STOP LOOK AND LEARN TRAFFIC SAFETY RESOURCE FAIR, TAKING PLACE SEPTEMBER 9TH FROM 11:00 AM TO 2:00 PM AT THE BAYTOWN COMMUNITY CENTER.

UM, THIS IS A FAMILY FRIENDLY EVENT, UH, FOR THE BAYTOWN CITIZENS AND SURROUNDING AREAS.

OUR MISSION FOR THE FAIR ALIGNS SEAMLESSLY WITH THE CITY OF BAY TOWN'S PURPOSE AND CORE VALUES.

UH, THE FAIR WILL ENCOMPASS ASSISTANCE FROM CITY DEPARTMENTS, CITY MEMBERS, AND STATEWIDE PARTNERS.

WE HAVE WORKED COLLABORATIVELY TO BRING THE SPECIAL EVENT TO THE CI UH, COMMUNITY TO SHOWCASE VALUABLE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO, UM, THE PUBLIC AND PRESENT CONTINUED EDUCATION ON THE IMPORTANCE OF TRAFFIC SAFETY.

UH, SOME OF OUR STAKEHOLDERS INCLUDE BABIES IN BAYTOWN, UH, WETLAND CENTER, UH, TEXAS A AND M TRANSPORTATION INSTITUTE, UH, FRED AGUILAR PROMISE CENTER, GRAD CAFE, UM, UH, BRIDGEHAVEN CHILDREN ADVOCACY CENTER, WORKFORCE SOLUTION, THE BRIDGE OVER TROUBLED WATERS LOVE NETWORK, AND THE PREGNANCY RESOURCE CENTER.

UH, WE ARE OVERWHELMINGLY APPRECIATIVE OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS, UM, THAT WILL BE PARTICIPATING IN THE FAIR AND CON TO CONTINUOUSLY BUILD, UM, THE BRIDGE BETWEEN COMMUNITY AND LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS.

UH, BEFORE WE CONCLUDE, WE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A BIG THANK YOU TO THE BAYTOWN BLUE SANTA PROGRAM AND THE FOLLOWING DEPARTMENTS FOR THEIR IMMENSE SUPPORT IN MAKING THE FAIR POSSIBLE, UH, THE BAYTOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC AFFAIRS, PARKS AND RECREATION, PUBLIC WORKS, HEALTH FIRE, BAYONE, ENGAGE, AND THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

THE PREPARATION OF THIS FAIR HAS BEEN NOTHING SHORT OF AMAZING, UM, AND WE ARE APPRECIATIVE TO WORK ALONGSIDE SUCH GREAT CITY EMPLOYEES.

SO WE THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TONIGHT AND WE HOPE TO SEE YOU AT OUR UPCOMING FAIR AND THE CITIZENS AS WELL.

[a. Conduct a public hearing regarding the City of Baytown Fiscal Year 2023-24 Proposed Municipal Budget.]

UH, IT DOES HAVE YOU HERE LISTED MS. MCKENZIE AT FIR AT FIRST I DO WANT TO, UM, SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THE HEARING AND BEFORE THE DISCUSSION.

SO WITH THAT, UM, THERE'S A FEW PUBLIC HEARINGS.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THIS LANGUAGE.

THE PUBLIC HEARINGS TODAY ARE BEING HELD FOR THE PURPOSE OF GIVING ALL INTERESTED PERSONS THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS THEIR VIEWS REGARDING THE SUBJECT OF OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

EVERYONE DESIRING TO BE A PART OF TODAY'S HEARING SHOULD HAVE EITHER SIGNED THE APPROPRIATE LIST IN THE FOYER OR EMAILED THE CITY CLERK PRIOR TO THE POSTED TIME OF THIS MEETING.

EACH PARTICIPANT SHALL GIVE HIS, HER, HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A PROPER RECORD OF THESE HEARINGS.

THE RULES ALLOW EACH PERSON THREE MINUTES TO PRESENT INFORMATION.

HOWEVER, I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO BE AS BRIEF AND TO THE POINT AS POSSIBLE.

IF YOU ARE A GROUP OF PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON THE SAME SUBJECT, PLEASE SELECT A SPOKESPERSON TO PRESENT THE INFORMATION.

AND IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE DIRECT 'EM TO ME.

IT IS SEVEN OH FOUR.

I NOW CALL TO ORDER THIS PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE CITY OF BAY TOWN'S FISCAL YEAR 2324, PROPOSED MUNICIPAL BUDGET.

UH, IS THERE ANY STAFF PERSON THAT WANTS TO SUMMARIZE THE PUBLIC HEARING ITSELF? YES, MA'AM.

UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL.

UM, SO I JUST WANNA GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE BUDGET BEFORE, UM,

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ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MS. MCKENZIE.

SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED FY 24 BUDGET HIGHLIGHTS.

UM, WE HAVE THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE IS PROJECTED AT 25.5 MILLION.

THE BUDGET BEFORE YOU ALSO REPRESENTS A 74 AND A 5 CENT PROPERTY TAX RATE.

HOWEVER, THE PROPOSED PA UH, PROPERTY TAX RATE MAY RANGE FROM 73.5% TO 74.5 BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE, UM, HAD CERTIFIED ROLES YET.

UM, THE, THIS LEAVES US WITH THE $26.7 MILLION FUND BALANCE, WHICH IS 75 DAYS OF OPERATING EXPENDITURES.

THE GENERAL FUND REVENUE IS 133 MILLION, TOTAL EXPENDITURES 136.1 MILLION.

AND I AM REFERRING TO JUST THE GENERAL FUND AT THIS POINT.

UM, THEIR PERSONNEL COST EQUATES TO 96.3 MILLION, WHICH IS 73.2% OF THE OVERALL GENERAL FUND BUDGET.

UM, THE PROPOSED SALES TAX IS 21.6 MILLION.

ALSO IN THIS BUDGET IS A 6% WATER AND SEWER RATE INCREASE.

UM, THERE IS ADDITIONAL FUND REVENUE AND EXPENSE DETAIL IS ALSO LISTED ON THE SCREEN AND IT SHOULD BE IN YOUR PACKET.

WE'VE INCLUDED ADDITIONAL MISCELLANEOUS FUNDS, WHICH ARE MAJORITY, UH, STREETS, AND SOME OF THE CONTRIBUTION FUNDS AND SPECIAL FUNDS WE HAVE WITH LIKE WETLANDS AND BAYTOWN NATURE CENTER, AND THOSE SHOULD BE IN YOUR PACKET.

UM, I'LL ALSO POINT OUT THAT THE WATER AND SEWER REVENUE IS 54.4 MILLION AND EXPENDITURE IS 55.7.

UM, OUR TOTAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN ACROSS ALL FUNDS IS $143 MILLION AND $15 MILLION OF THAT WILL BE FOR A GENERAL FUND.

THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A $15 MILLION DEBT ISSUANCE TO COVER THE GENERAL FUND, UM, CIP THIS YEAR.

UM, ALSO IN THE LIST WE HAVE INCLUDED 2.3, AROUND 2.3 MILLION AVAILABLE OF PRIOR YEAR FUNDS TO FUND SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED HERE ON THIS SCREEN.

UM, AND THOSE PROJECTS INCLUDE, JUST SO YOU KNOW, FOR THAT ADDITIONAL FUNDING WILL BE NEW CASTLE PARK, TOMPKINS PARK, PELLA AND BARCAL LUE COVERS FACILITY, A-D-A-D-A COMPLIANCE, THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN, AND A PORTION OF THE ASPHALT STREET RENEWAL.

ALSO IN THIS LIST IS $275,000, A $275,000 TRANSFER FROM GENERAL FUND AND $815,000 IN REALLOCATION FROM OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE CANCELED.

AND WITH THAT, I WILL WANNA NOTE, UM, FOR PUBLIC AFFAIRS THAT WE ARE GONNA BE PUSHING THIS OUT TO SOCIAL MEDIA, THE WEBSITE, UM, AND ALSO IN OUR BUDGET MAGAZINE AGAIN THIS YEAR.

AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

UM, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WE'LL HAVE AN ACTION ITEM NEXT.

UH, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL INPUT FROM STAFF? NOPE.

NOPE.

SO I'LL CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING BEING THAT NO ONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK AND WE MOVE ON TO ITEM,

[b. Discuss the City of Baytown Fiscal Year 2023-24 Proposed Municipal Budget.]

UH, FOUR B TO DISCUSS THE CITY BAY TOWN'S FISCAL YEAR 2324 PROPOSED BUDGET.

SO AT THIS POINT, I'LL, I'LL ASK COUNSEL IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS TO BE MADE.

I CAN START.

I, I DON'T HAVE ANY GENERAL COMMENTS OVERALL BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED ENOUGH DURING OUR BUDGET SESSIONS.

UH, THE ONLY THING THAT WAS STILL LEFT PENDING WAS TO DISCUSS THE SIX, UM, PERCENT INCREASE ON WATER AND SEWER DISCUSSING OPTIONS ON WHETHER, UM, WE CAN DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY OTHER THAN INCREASE.

I KNOW IN THE PAST, UH, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, AND I'LL GO TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR BETTER RECOLLECTION, UM, WE DID THE INCREASE, UM, ON THOSE THAT HAD THE, WE KEPT THE ONES THAT 2000 GALLONS THE SAME.

SO WE DID NOT INCREASE THOSE BECAUSE THOSE ARE GENERALLY OUR SENIORS AND THOSE THAT MAY NOT USE A LOT OF WATER.

AND SO IN THE PAST WE KEPT THAT RATE THE SAME.

UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD WANT TO ENTERTAIN LOOKING AT THAT AGAIN.

UM, WHAT WOULD THAT COST? WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT TO THE BUDGET, UM, IF WE DID THAT AGAIN? UM, AND, AND I THINK THOSE WERE THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAVE RIGHT NOW, UM, ON THE BUDGET.

I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S A STAFF RESPONSE OR NOT.

UM, TO GET THOSE NUMBERS WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING THOSE BACK TO YOU AND DO THAT CALCULATION.

CITIZENS, CITIZENS AT A LOWER LEVEL.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? YES, SIR.

HERE, I'LL CHIME IN.

AND I, I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE THAT AS LONG AS THE, THE 6% IS, IS KIND OF A PASS THROUGH.

'CAUSE OUR COST WENT UP 6%, RIGHT? COUNCILS HAVE IN THE PAST KEPT THAT LESSER USER, WHICH IS TYPICALLY OUR SENIOR CENTERS, SENIOR

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BUT IF, IF THAT 6% IS BASED ON THAT LOWER LEVEL, THEY'RE STILL GONNA BE AT A SUPPRESSED LEVEL THAN THAN THE OTHERS.

SO I WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, THAT WE DO THAT.

UM, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS FOR THE WATER RATE IS THAT'S JUST A STRAIGHT THROUGH COST.

UM, THE, OUR SUPPLIER RAISED OUR RATES BY 6%.

YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO ABSORB THAT.

UM, UH, SO, SO I, YOU KNOW, BUT I AGREE WE NEED TO KEEP THAT LOWER TIER AT A SUPPRESSED RATE RATE SO THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE AN IMPACT.

UM, SO I I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE ON THAT ONE.

YES, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE, IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA DO TO INCREASE ANY OF THE, ANY OF THE WATER AND SEWER RATES.

UM, AND THE, AS YOU ALLUDED TO COUNCILMAN, THE, THE SHEER FACT, THE, THE MAJOR GENESIS FOR THIS INCREASE IS, UH, THE CITY OF BAYTOWN, WE DO RECEIVE OUR RAW WATER TO TREAT FROM THE CITY OF HOUSTON.

AND SO, UH, WHEN THEY RAISE THEIR RATE 6%, WE BASICALLY ARE A PASS THROUGH OUR, OUR BAWA BOARD AND, AND COUNCIL WE'RE BASICALLY PASS THROUGH.

SO, UM, YOU AS END USER JUST, JUST LIKE OURSELVES, UH, ANYONE WHO RECEIVES THE CITY OF BEIT HUNT WATER, THAT'S WHERE IT ENDS UP, UNFORTUNATELY.

THAT'S WHERE IT ENDS UP.

AND SO, UM, IN BUDGET SESSION, UM, I CERTAINLY EXPRESSED THAT IN ORDER TO, TO, TO TRY TO MOVE FORWARD AND NOT BE AT THE MERCY OF ONE SINGLE SUPPLIER, UM, IF WE CAN, WE CAN GO AND, AND HAVE AN, AN ADDITIONAL WATER SOURCE FOR THE CITIZENS OF BAYTOWN WOULD BE BENEFICIAL OBVIOUSLY, FOR THIS TYPE OF REASON RIGHT HERE.

SO IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, COMMENTS I GUESS, ON WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED SO FAR? CAN I ADD, I WANNA ADD MAYOR, UM, YES MA'AM.

UH, I'M, I'M GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHT THAT UP IN TERMS OF THAT WE WANNA LOOK AT OTHER SOURCES, BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA BE OVERNIGHT.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD WAIT ON THE BUDGET TO DO.

OH, NO DOUBT.

UM, AND THERE, THERE COULD BE OTHER COSTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, BUT, UM, I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT, UM, WE NEED TO LOOK FOR OTHER SOURCES.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES, SIR.

UM, THE ONE ITEM THAT WE DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT IN, UH, WORK SESSION, UM, THE COUNCIL CAPITAL ITEM, THE $300,000, I, I BELIEVE WE TALKED IN WORK SESSION ABOUT HAVING A, UM, KIND OF A POLICY PUT IN PLACE FOR THAT.

DO WE FORESEE HAVING SOMETHING FOR US TO REVIEW PRIOR TO APPROVAL OF THE, THE BUDGET? UH, WE HAVE A, A GENERAL IDEA.

I MEAN, WE CAN BRING IT BACK WITH THE NEXT MEETING TO SEE IF, UH, IF COUNSEL WANTS TO CONSIDER THAT.

UH, IT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WITH THE BUDGET PROCESS, BUT IF COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT WITH THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE CAN BRING THE GENERAL PROCESS FLOW OF WHAT WE BELIEVE WILL WORK, IF YOU'D LIKE.

YEAH, I THINK I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT FROM A BUDGETARY AND, AND A BUDGET PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, WE, WE LEAVE THE, THE AMOUNT AND THEN WE DO DEVELOP BEFORE ANYTHING'S THAT I WOULD AGREE TO BEFORE ANYTHING IS SPENT WITH THIS BUDGET YEAR THAT IT, IT, THERE'S A, THERE'S SOME TYPE OF POLICY IN PLACE APPROVED BY COUNCIL, SO THAT IF THERE'S ANY EXPENDITURES, THEN IT, IT WOULD BE IN LINE WITH THAT POLICY.

IS THAT FAIR? YEAH.

UH, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING ITEM FOUR B? CAN I ADD THE IMPACT TO THE BILL FOR THE 2000? I DON'T HAVE THE REVENUE IMPACT, BUT THE IMPACT TO THE BILL FOR 2000 GALLON IS 65 CENTS.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

AND, AND MAYOR, THANK YOU.

UH, I DID HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, BUT I THINK THAT WILL GO MORE IN LINE WITH, UM, ANOTHER ITEM DOWN THE ROAD.

SO I, I HAVE TALKED TO CITY MANAGER, UM, ALREADY ABOUT MY QUESTION AND REGARDING THE PRO THE CAP PROGRAM MM-HMM .

UM, SO I WILL WAIT AND ADDRESS THAT QUESTION AT THAT POINT.

MAYORS, UH, THE COUNCIL OKAY.

WITH THE CFP THAT'S IN FRONT OF THEM FOR THE GENERAL FUND AT THIS POINT.

I, SO LET ME, LET ME ASK.

SO HAS, HAVE BOTH COMMITTEES MET, UH, WITH RECOMMENDATIONS, BOTH COMMITTEES HAVE MET, I BELIEVE THAT THIS, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR EACH COMMITTEE, BUT I BELIEVE THERE ARE TALKING POINTS FROM EACH SIDE THAT, THAT PROBABLY WANNA BE ADDRESSED FOR THE, FROM THE COMMITTEE SIDE.

THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO HEAR.

SO, UM, I CAN START WITH EITHER ONE.

SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND START AS THE CHAIR FOR THE CIPI THINK, I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS ON, ON THIS SIGNIFICANTLY.

THERE WAS FOR MONIES THAT WERE BROUGHT FORWARD, UH, FROM OTHER FUNDS.

UM, I THINK THERE'S ONE OR TWO QUESTIONS THAT A COUPLE OF US ARE GONNA TAKE BACK TO BRENT, UH, INDEPENDENTLY.

JUST TO, FOR CLARIFICATION, WE'RE NOT CHALLENGING YES, SIR.

NECESSARILY THE, THE, THE AMOUNTS OR THE PROJECTS.

WE JUST WANT SOME CLARIFICATION ON SOME SPECIFIC ISSUES AND WE'RE GONNA GET WITH BRENT ON THAT.

UM, BUT THE, THE PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD WITH, UM, THE CONTINGENCY DOWN

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UM, SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT AND THAT THOSE PROJECTS BEFORE THEY SPEND THAT CONTINGENCY, THAT IT COMES BACK TO US AS A, AS A BOARD AND WE REVIEW AND APPROVE THOSE.

BUT, UH, I, I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE PRETTY MUCH IN CONSENSUS THAT THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD PACKAGE.

UM, MAJORITY OF THE, THE FUNDS THAT ARE BEING DEDICATED ARE, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ALTERNATIVE WITH, UH, I MEAN, THEIR CURRENT PROJECTS, PREVIOUS PROJECTS THAT JUST NEED FINALIZED FUNDING AND ADDITIONAL FUNDING.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE COMMITTEE.

I, I GUESS MY ONLY, MY ONLY QUESTION IS NOT, IT'S NOT FOR THE COMMITTEE, IT'S JUST TO MAINLY THE STAFF.

WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE OF, THE REASON WHY WE KIND OF CAME UP WITH THIS, THIS CHECKS AND BALANCE OF CIP AND FINANCES, I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER'S FUNDED OUT OF THESE PROJECTS IS SOMETHING THAT IS BASICALLY SHOVEL READY CAN BE COMPLETED WITH WITHIN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.

I'M GETTING A HEADS UP SO I'M FINE WITH THAT.

UM, I GUESS, UH, FINANCE COMMITTEE, SO AS CHAIR OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, OUR DISCUSSIONS WERE AROUND THE FACT THAT THIS WAS A NEW PROCESS.

UM, WE WEREN'T REALLY SURE HOW IT WAS GONNA GO, BUT WE WANTED TO SEE HOW IT FLUSHED OUT AFTER KIND OF SEEING HOW IT, HOW IT WENT.

UM, WE FEEL THAT WE WOULD'VE PREFERRED TO HAVE SEEN THE ENTIRE CIP LIST, UM, AND THEN MADE A DECISION ON WHAT KIND OF DEBT LEVEL OR DEBT WINDOW WE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH PROPOSING.

AND INSTEAD OF SEEING, UM, THIS REDUCED LIST, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT OTHER NEEDS THE CITY MAY HAVE HAD AND WHAT DEBT COMFORT LEVEL WE MAY HAVE HAD.

SO, UM, THAT WAS FEEDBACK THAT WE GAVE THE CITY MANAGER.

SO THERE MAY BE SOME ADJUSTMENTS IN HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS NEXT YEAR.

BUT IN, IN AGREEMENT, UM, I'M ASSUMING THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME TYPE OF DEBT RECOMMENDATION OF ISSUANCE FOR THIS BUDGET YEAR, IS THAT CORRECT? SO STAFF CAME UP WITH THE $15 MILLION NUMBER, UM, THEY GAVE US THEIR RATIONALE.

NONE OF US HAD ISSUES WITH THAT NUMBER, BUT AGAIN, WE MIGHT HAVE BEEN MORE COMFORTABLE WITH MORE, BUT WE NEVER SAW THE FULL LIST.

TO HAVE THAT OPTION.

FAIR ENOUGH.

ANY, I GUESS ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, MR. ATTORNEY MANAGER, AT LEAST YOU WENT THROUGH THE, WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS, SO, NO SIR, IT WAS, UH, I APPRECIATE THE, THE, THE COUNCIL OR THE BOTH COMMITTEE'S PATIENCE AS WE DID GO THROUGH A NEW PROCESS.

UM, IT WAS A GOOD LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR ALL OF US.

IT, UH, WAS, HAD A LOT OF DIALOGUE ON THE CIP COMMITTEE.

UH, THERE WERE GOOD, UH, GLOW AND GROW MOMENTS WITH THE FINANCE COMMITTEE.

UM, AND AS WE LOOK AT OUR, UH, PHILOSOPHY ON HOW WE WANT TO HANDLE DEBT, THERE'S MORE CONVERSATION TO COME.

UM, EITHER CONSIDERING CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION OR GENERAL GENERAL OBLIGATION DEBT.

UH, AND SO WE HAVE A LOT MORE TO DO WITH THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, BUT, UH, THE CIP COMMITTEE WILL CONTINUE TO REFINE, UM, HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS AS WELL.

SO I JUST APPRECIATE EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY'S PATIENCE AS WE AS UH, WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU TO ALL.

ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION, MAYOR.

SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS TABLE HERE, THE CIP PROJECTS.

I ASSUME THIS IS WHAT Y'ALL FLESHED OUT IN THE MEETING THIS AFTERNOON.

DO WE HAVE THIS BROKEN DOWN FOR WHAT THEIR, I MEAN WHAT'S CASH AND WHAT'S DEBT FUNDED? IS THAT THE TYPE OF FUNDING FINANCING, I GUESS YOU WANNA CALL THAT THIS IS ALL DEBT HERE.

15 MILLION.

OKAY, WELL THIS, WELL THE TOTAL IS 18, SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.

WHAT IN HERE IS THE CASH PORTION AND CAN WE GET THAT BREAKDOWN? YES.

SO THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT IS, UH, A PART OF THE DEBT FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS.

THE 3 MILLION IS A PART OF THE DEBT, ALSO THE 4.1 MILLION MARKET STREET RENOVATION AND A PORTION OF THE ASPHALT STREET RENEWAL.

ALRIGHT, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON ITEM FOUR B OF THE BUDGET ITSELF? SO WE WILL NOT BE TAKING ANY ACTION, UH, THIS EVENING.

I BELIEVE THAT WE WILL, UH, IN OUR SEPTEMBER 1ST SEPTEMBER MEETING, WE WILL HAVE A BUDGET TO CONSIDER AND A TAX RATE TO CONSIDER AND BY THEN WE'LL HAVE CERTIFIED TAX ROLL.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.

ALRIGHT, SO YOU'LL BE READY TO GO ON THAT MEETING.

ALRIGHT, WE MOVE ON TO, UM, I'M GONNA TAKE SOMETHING OUT OF ORDER, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MEET, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MEET AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ON ITEM FIVE A.

I BELIEVE THERE IS A CITIZEN THAT DID SIGN UP FOR THAT.

SO IF YOU CAN PLEASE HAVE SOME PATIENCE WITH US ON THAT ONE ITEM, UH, WE'LL MOVE ON

[a. Consider an ordinance rejecting all bids for the East District Waste Water Treatment Plant (EDWWTP) Phase 1, Community Development Block Grant – Disaster Recovery (CDBG-DR) Project.]

TO ITEM SIX A TO CONSIDER ORDINANCE REJECTING ALL BIDS FOR THE EAST DISTRICT WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, PHASE ONE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT DISASTER RECOVERY PROJECT, MR. SEMINO OR WHOEVER ELSE, I'M SORRY.

UH, MICHAEL LEACH.

ITEM IS TO REQUEST, UH, YOUR APPROVAL TO REJECT THE BIDS WE RECEIVED FOR THIS PROJECT.

UH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.

UH, YES, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS AGENDA

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UH, THIS WORK IS FUNDED, UH, FEDERALLY AND AS YOU MAY KNOW WITH FEDERAL PROJECTS, THERE ARE A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH PROCUREMENT AND BIDDING.

UM, FEDERAL FUNDING IN THIS CASE FOR THIS JOB IS ADMINISTERED THROUGH HARRIS COUNTY.

UM, DURING THE PROCESS OF COMPILING THE, UH, BID DOCUMENTS AND FINALIZING THE DESIGN, UM, WE RECEIVED SOME INFORMATION FROM HARRIS COUNTY, UH, REGARDING THE PROCESS THAT SHOULD BE USED THAT WAS INCONSISTENT WITH THE FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS.

UH, THAT IN ADDITION TO, UH, US RECEIVING A PROTEST FROM ONE OF THE BIDDERS, UH, THAT DID NOT WIN THE BID, UH, CAUSED US TO VISIT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AS WELL AS THE HARRIS COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

UM, THROUGH DELIBERATION AND DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM, UH, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, REJECT THE BIDS AND, UH, ENABLE STAFF TO GO BACK, UH, GET THE BID PACKAGE STRAIGHTENED OUT AND REBID THIS PACK PROPERTY PROJECT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

ALRIGHT, COUNSEL, SO YOU UNDERSTAND AT LEAST THE, THE PURPOSE AND REASONING FOR ITEM SIX A.

SO WITH THAT, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF SIX, A MOVE TO APPROVE SIX A.

I HAVE A MOTION AND I'M ASSUMING A SECOND, SECOND QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF NOT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ITEM SIX A IS PRESENTED, PLEASE SAY, AYE.

MARTIN SCRIBNER WITH PLANNING DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED, MOVE ON TO ITEM SIX

[b. Consider an ordinance authorizing an amendment to the covenants and restrictions of Baytown Central Development, as requested by PDG Baytown, LLC.]

ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING AND AMENDMENT TO THE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS OF BAYTOWN CENTRAL DEVELOPMENT AS REQUESTED BY PDG BAYTOWN, LLC.

MR. SCRIBNER, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD.

UM, THIS ONE'S KIND OF AN ODD ONE FOR YOU GUYS.

UH, THIS NORMALLY WE WOULDN'T AS A CITY BE CONCERNED WITH, UH, DOING ANYTHING WITH SOMEBODY'S COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS.

WE HAPPEN TO BE A PARTY TO THIS ONE BECAUSE WE OWN PROPERTY WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION.

SO THAT'S WHY THIS ONE IS FRONT OF YOU.

IN FRONT OF YOU.

I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT FOR THESE CHANGES IS, UH, I BELIEVE ON THE ZOOM CALL JUST IN CASE WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

BUT, UM, THE, BASICALLY, UM, THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT'S KIND OF RIGHT BEHIND.

YOU'LL SEE RIGHT OVER HERE TO THE WEST IS, UH, BEST BUY AND THE, THE, UH, THE REST OF THAT STRIP MALL THAT'S OVER THERE.

SO, UM, THE PROPERTY WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THIS ONE THAT'S THE YELLOW CROSS HATCH PROPERTY.

THIS IS OWNED BY, UH, PDG BAYTOWN, LLC.

UM, WE OWN, UH, THIS PROPERTY HERE, WHICH IS A DETENTION PROPERTY, A DETENTION POND, AS WELL AS THIS ONE, WHICH IS ALSO A DETENTION AREA.

UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE A PARTY TO THIS, UH, SET OF COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS.

THIS WAS SIGNED BY THE CITY IN 1993 THAT ENTERED US INTO THIS AGREEMENT WITH THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS.

AT THE TIME, THERE WAS A GOVERNING BOARD THAT ALLOWED FOR ANY CHANGES TO THOSE COVENANTS.

THAT GOVERNING BOARD WAS DISSOLVED, UH, YEARS AGO.

SO NOW THE, WHAT'S ALSO, UH, ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE ORDINANCE OR IN THE COVENANTS IS THAT ANY CHANGES WOULD BE VOTED ON AND APPROVED BY THREE QUARTERS OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION.

SO OF COURSE WE HAVE A VOTE IN THAT WE ARE NOT THE FINAL SAY.

AND THESE COVENANTS ARE REMEMBER, UM, INDEPENDENT OF ANY OF OUR ZONING REGULATIONS.

SO THE CHANGES, UH, THAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR WOULD BE TO REDUCE THE INTERIOR BUILDING SETBACK LINE FOR A FOUR STORY BUILDING FROM 25 FEET TO 15 FEET.

I'LL, I'LL EXPLAIN THAT ONE.

IT IS A GRADUATED, UH, SETBACK LINE DEPENDING ON THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.

AGAIN, INDEPENDENT OF ZONING CODE.

THE ZONING CODE SAYS YOU, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S 15 FEET.

SO THIS, WHAT THIS SAYS IS IF YOU'VE GOT TWO STORIES OR THREE STORIES, IT'S 15 FEET.

BUT IF IT'S FOUR STORIES, IT'S 25 FEET.

WHAT PDG BAYTOWN IS UH, PROPOSING ON THAT PROPERTY IS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.

UM, I SAY THAT AND I WILL REMIND YOU THAT IT IS ALREADY ZONED MF THREE.

IT IS ZONED FOR, UH, THAT, UM, FOR THAT USE.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS THAT, THAT'S A SEPARATE CONVERSATION THAT WAS ALREADY HAD BY THE CITY, UH, I I YEARS AGO.

SO, UM, THEM MOVING TO, UH, TO ACTUALLY DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY.

AGAIN, THE 15 FEET IS WITHIN THE, UH, THE CITY ZONING ORDINANCE.

THE STAFF DOESN'T, UH, SEE AN ISSUE WITH THAT CHANGE.

THE OTHER CHANGE IS A PARKING SETBACK AMENDMENT, UM, TO FIVE FEET, UH, FOR THE SIDE AND REAR PROPERTY LINES.

INSTEAD OF CURRENTLY THERE IS PROHIBITION ON PARKING WITHIN FIVE FEET OF THE SIDE AND REAR PROPERTY LINES.

THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE SUCH A PROHIBITION.

SO AGAIN, UM, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THESE CHANGES.

WE FEEL THAT THEY'RE REASONABLE.

WE FEEL THAT THEY'RE WITHIN THE CURRENT ZONING CODE.

UH, SO, UM, WE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

AGAIN, YOUR APPLICANT IS ON

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THE ZOOM CALL IN CASE HE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

UM, I GUESS I'M GONNA OPEN UP TO COUNCIL, UH, DISCUSSION.

UH, THIS IS IN DISTRICT FOUR, SO I'M ASSUMING YOU MAY HAVE SOME COMMENTS, MA'AM.

UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR TRANSPARENCY AND WHAT IS BEING BUILT HERE 'CAUSE IT WASN'T EXACTLY CLEAR ON THE AGENDA ITEM, BUT THIS IS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX BEING BUILT BEHIND BEST BUY ON GARTH ROAD AND ON BEHALF OF DISTRICT FOUR, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WE ARE DISAPPOINTED THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS MOVING FORWARD, UM, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ALONG NORTH, SOUTH EAST, WEST ROAD WHO ARE ALREADY DEALING WITH A GROSSLY MISPLACED APARTMENT COMPLEX.

AND THEY'RE LARGELY SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, WHILE WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING LEGALLY TO STOP THIS DEVELOPMENT, THEY ARE ZONED CORRECTLY.

THEY HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE TO PROCEED WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING ANY KIND OF MINIMIZATION OF OUR CURRENT STANDARDS TO ACCOMMODATE THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX.

GOOD EVENING, MR. SCRIBNER.

UM, THE APARTMENTS, UH, DON'T WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS APARTMENTS CANNOT BE WITHIN A HALF MILE RADIUS OF EACH OTHER? UM, THAT IS, SO IT IS A POLICY AND NOT NECESSARILY AN ORDINANCE, BUT THAT'S ALSO, THIS IS ALREADY ZONED.

SO THAT POLICY IS NOT, UH, APPLIED TO THIS PROPERTY.

SO IT'S A POLICY, IT'S NOT IN OUR ORDINANCE.

IT WOULD ONLY, IT'S NOT IN OUR ORDINANCE AND IT WOULD ONLY APPLY TO THIS PROPERTY IF IT WERE NOT ZONED FOR MULTIFAMILY ALREADY.

WE LOOK AT THAT POLICY WHEN THE ZONING IS HAPPENING.

THIS WAS DONE YEARS AGO, UM, BEFORE THAT POLICY WAS EVEN IN EFFECT.

SO WE, WE CAN'T REALLY, WE CAN'T AFFECT ANY CHANGE ON THAT LEGALLY.

I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, PIGGYBACK ON COUNCILWOMAN STATEMENTS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING A LOT OF APARTMENTS IN THE, IN THE SAME KIND OF RADIUS AND, UM, IT'S JUST GETTING D AND DENT WITH APARTMENTS AND UH, I WOULD NOT BE IN SUPPORTIVE ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH APARTMENTS GOING UP.

THAT'S ALL I GOT.

ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? UM, JUST A QUESTION, MAYOR.

SO, AND, AND I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS, BUT ARE WE VOTING SIMPLY ON THE SETBACKS OR ON ALLOWING THE APARTMENTS? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S TWO SEPARATE THINGS, RIGHT? YOU, YOU ARE VOTING ONLY ON THE REQUESTED AMENDMENTS, WHICH ARE THE REDUCTION IN THE SETBACK AND THE ALLOWANCE OF PARKING ON THE, UH, THE SIDE AND REAR PROPERTIES OR SIDES AND REAR OF THE PROPERTY.

SO SHOULD THIS MEASURE NOT PASS, WHAT IS THE IMPACT, UM, TO THE PROPERTY OWNER? SHOULD THE PROPERTY OWNER GET THE VOTES OF THREE QUARTERS OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF OVERALL OF THAT, THAT PIECE RIGHT THERE THAT'S SHADED.

UM, THEN THIS VOTE WILL NOT AFFECT THAT.

SO DOES HE HAVE THE VOTES OR NOT YET? I, I DON'T KNOW THAT MA'AM.

WE, WE, THAT WOULD BE SPECULATION, SO, OKAY.

YEP.

THAT I, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT DOESN'T, THAT SHOULDN'T AFFECT YOUR VOTE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

THAT'S RIGHT.

NO, I UNDERSTAND.

I'M JUST, I WAS JUST WONDERING, UM, USUALLY A DEVELOPER GOES IN AND TALKS TO THEIR NEIGHBORS, OR AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD WANT THEM TO DO IS, IS TALK TO THEIR NEIGHBORS.

AND I KNOW THERE WAS A MEASURE BEFORE THAT I, I DIDN'T LIKE, BUT THEY DID TAKE THE TIME TO TALK TO THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS AND RESIDENTS AND SO THAT'S ALL I WAS ASKING.

IF THEY'VE DONE THAT, I WOULD SAY THAT THE, SO AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, ON ZOOM RIGHT NOW AND CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION POSSIBLY IF, IF, IF THEY CAN.

UM, OTHERWISE I WOULD SAY THAT THE, OUR STAFF'S CONTACT WITH THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN, UM, IT, IT, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THEY'D BE WILLING TO COME IN AND AND ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS IN PERSON SHOULD THAT BECOME NECESSARY.

BUT AGAIN, I, I DON'T WANNA SPECULATE FOR THEM.

YES MA'AM.

HOW DOES IT BENEFIT THE DEVELOPER FOR US TO, TO MAKE THE SETBACKS FOR THEM? WHAT SPECIFICALLY DOES IT DO FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR BUILDING TO MAKE THESE SETBACKS? UH, SO THE, THE, UM, REDUCING THE, THE SETBACK, THE INTERIOR SETBACK LANE FROM 25 TO 15 GIVES THEM 10 MORE FEET TO, TO WORK WITH TO BUILD IN.

IT'S JUST GIVING THEM MORE TO BUILD.

THAT'S ALL.

IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH, UM, THAT'S CORRECT.

TO WHAT IS IN A SENSE ZONE FOR THIS, UM, MY ADDITIONAL RESERVATION.

UH, ANY ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE DEVELOPERS ON THE LINE? IF THERE, IF YOU HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE DEVELOPER? I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY THAT'LL BE THE TIME.

UM, I WILL MAKE THE COMMENT.

UM, MAYBE TWO.

UH, I AGREE.

UM, I DON'T PLAN ON SUPPORTING ANY TYPE OF, UM, CONCESSION OR AMENDMENT TO,

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UM, UNLESS A MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING OR PRO OR I'M GONNA SAY PROJECT IN, IN THE TERM OF, OF DEVELOPMENT WHEN IT EXCEEDS THREE STORIES, I BEGIN TO, TO, UM, REALLY HAVE CONCERN.

I LIKE TO SEE A FIRST STORY.

IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THREE STORIES, THEN, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE MORE WHERE THAT HIGH DENSITY, UM, IS MORE APPROPRIATE IN A SENSE.

UM, FIRST STORY RETAIL OR OTHER TYPE OF, OF, I GUESS, CONSTRUCTION PRIOR TO ANYTHING HIGHER THAN THAT.

UM, I WOULD ENTER, I WOULD PROBABLY BE INTERESTED IN LIMITING ANY FUTURE MULTIFAMILY TO NO MORE THAN THREE STORIES UNLESS IT IS PART OF SOME TYPE OF SPECIAL DISTRICT OR PARTICULAR OVERLAY OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT.

UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT ON THAT, UM, DEVELOPER'S ON THE LINE.

SO I, I APOLOGIZE, I MISSPOKE.

THAT IS NOT THE PERSON THAT'S ONLINE, PERSON ONLINE FOR THE NEXT, UH, ITEM.

OH, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

BUT, BUT WE CAN, UH, GET INFORMATION.

OH, HE'S HERE.

THERE YOU GO.

THANK YOU .

COME UP TO THIS BEAUTIFUL CARPET AND MICROPHONE.

YOU MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

I APOLOGIZE I MISSED YOU AND THE OTHER GUY.

SORRY.

IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND SIR, IF YOU CAN, UM, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, AND AT LEAST STATE YOUR EITHER OFFICE ADDRESS OR HOME ADDRESS.

SURE.

UH, I'M JOHN SCH SLIDER WITH THE BROWNSTONE GROUP AND UH, WE OFFICE ON MAPLE RIDGE, UH, IN HOUSTON, TEXAS.

UH, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, WE DID, WE HAVE CONTACTED ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS.

UH, WE'VE GOTTEN THE SIGNATURES OF ALMOST EVERYONE ELSE.

UH, I THINK WE'RE WAITING ON BEST BUY AND WALMART JUST BECAUSE IT'S TOUGHER TO DEAL WITH A LARGE CORPORATE ENTITY.

EVERYONE ELSE IS VERY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THE PROJECT BECAUSE WE, UH, WE TOOK MEASURES TO ELIMINATE VAGRANT THERE.

AND THIS IS A LUXURY PROJECT.

IT'S INTERIOR CONDITION CORRIDORS, UH, GAS COOKING, UH, IN, IN THE UNITS IS ASSUMING THAT'S STILL LEGAL.

UM, AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S A LUXURY PROJECT.

UH, QUARTZ COUNTERTOPS, STAINLESS APPLIANCES, UH, BACK SPLASHES.

AND, UM, IT WAS ZONED FOR THIS, AND AGAIN, THIS, WE'RE NOT ASKING THE CITY TO CHANGE ANYTHING WITHIN THE CITY'S CURRENT LAWS.

IT'S ONLY THE FACT THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ENTITY, UM, THAT, THAT YOU COULD HAVE GONE TO ONE PERSON.

HE DIED AND THAT CAUSED THE DISSOLUTION OF THE WHOLE ENTITY.

UM, BUT IT IS, UH, WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK SPECIFICALLY FROM OUR NEIGHBORS.

UH, TARGET, UH, THE HADI HOLDINGS, THEY'VE ALREADY SIGNED.

THE DENTIST ACROSS THE STREET WAS ENTHUSIASTIC BECAUSE WE REALLY CLEANED THE PROPERTY UP FROM WHAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY.

YES MA'AM.

UM, YOU SAID THAT IT'S GONNA HAVE AIR CONDITIONERS IN INSIDE THE CORRIDOR? WELL, THE, THE, THE CORRIDORS WILL BE CONDITIONED CARPETED, UH, IT'S ELEVATOR SERVED EL THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK.

IT'S ELEVATOR SERVED.

UH, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A PROPERTY IN BAYTOWN THAT HAS PROBLEMS. 'CAUSE IT ONLY HAS ONE ELEVATOR.

THIS HAS THREE.

THAT PER, PER BUILDING OR WE HAVE ONE ELEVATOR PER BUILDING.

WE HAVE THREE BUILDINGS.

THERE'S NO MORE THAN A HUNDRED UNITS IN THE BUILDING.

AND TYPICALLY OUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN WITH THIS, THAT, THAT THE PROJECTS ARE INCREDIBLY POPULAR.

I THINK IT JUST SOLD IN.

THE NAMES CHANGED AND I DON'T KNOW, THE NAME'S CHANGED AND I DUNNO THE NEW NAME AT, AT THIS TIME.

THIS PROJECT IS ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THAT PROJECT.

AND IT HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY POPULAR BECAUSE THE RESIDENT THAT IT ATTRACTS, UH, IT'S A CLASS A DEAL AND THEY TEND TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE GETTING MORE THAN THEY WOULD IN YOUR TYPICAL GARDEN STYLE PROJECT.

SO IT'S ONE ELEVATOR PER BUILDING.

ONE ELEVATOR PER BUILDING.

SO IF THAT ELEVATOR GOES DOWN, THEN THAT MEANS THAT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE THIRD STORY AND THE ONE ELEVATOR BUILDING WOULD HAVE TO USE STAIRS.

UH, ANYBODY COULD USE THE STAIRS AT ANY TIME OR ANYBODY CAN WAIT ON THE ELEVATOR.

THE THING IS, IS WHAT WE FOUND IN OUR OWN MANAGEMENT AND OPERATION OF THESE DEALS IS THERE'S NOT A LOT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S ONLY 224 UNITS.

SO YOU ONLY HAVE, UM, I THINK A HUNDRED UNITS IS IN THE, THE LARGEST BUILDING.

BUT THE FIRST FLOOR, NOBODY'S USING THE ELEVATOR BECAUSE THEY ONLY, IT'S OKAY.

YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION.

ALL WE WILL BE APPROVING OR DISAPPROVING WOULD BE THE, UM, AMENDMENT, I GUESS TO THE, THE SETBACKS.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, I GUESS? OKAY, THANK YOU SIR.

SO, UM, FIRST WE HAVE, UM, I GUESS I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM SIX B.

SO THERE'S AN UNDERSTANDING THIS WOULD ALLOW, SINCE THE PROPERTY IS ZONED FOR THE DENSITY OF THIS MULTIFAMILY, UM, DEVELOPMENT, THEN

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SO I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

I'M GONNA ASK TWO MORE TIMES.

I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND I'LL ASK THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME FOR A MOTION OF APPROVAL.

NOT HEARING NONE.

THIS ITEM WILL DIE FOR A LACK OF A MOTION.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM SEVEN.

[a. Consider a resolution granting the petition for the proposed annexation of approximately .97 acres of land located generally north of IH 10 and east of South Main Street.]

A CONSIDER RESOLUTION.

GRANTED THE PETITION FOR THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION APPROXIMATELY, UH, 0.97 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED GENERALLY NORTH OF I 10 AND EAST OF SOUTH MAIN STREET.

UH, MR. SCRIBNER, WOULD YOU'D LIKE TO DESCRIBE THIS ITEM, PLEASE? YES, SIR.

THIS IS, UH, JUST ABOUT AN ACRE, UH, AT SOUTH MAIN AND I 10.

UH, THIS IS AT WHERE, UH, IF, IF YOU'RE TAKING, UH, THREE 30 TO MERGE TO I 10 AND THEN TAKING THE, UH, UH, THE EXIT TO GO UP TO CROSBY.

THIS IS THAT, UH, DOMINO'S THAT'S RIGHT THERE ON THAT CORNER.

UH, USED TO BE A GAS STATION AS WELL.

UM, THE APPLICATION IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT, I WILL REMIND YOU, IS JUST THAT IT'S ONLY THE, THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE APPLICATION AND THE DIRECTION TO STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD ON A PUBLIC SERVICES PLAN.

WE WILL COME BACK WITH THE DETAILS ON THIS ITEM AT A LATER DATE ONCE WE GET SOME OF THAT INFORMATION.

RIGHT NOW IT IS JUST THE APPLICATION TO MOVE FORWARD.

UM, UH, ON THE APPLICATION IT SAYS THAT HE PLANS TO USING IT AS A TRAVEL CENTER.

UM, WHEN I ACTUALLY THINK OF TRAVEL CENTERS, I THINK OF THE TWO THINGS.

EITHER A TRUCK STOP OR LIKE, LIKE, LIKE A LITTLE TRAVEL CENTER.

SOMEBODY'S TRAVELING ON THE ROAD TO STOP AND GET INFORMATION ABOUT THE AREA.

IT'S A GAS STATION CONVENIENCE STORE.

IT'S ONLY ON AN ACRE, SO IT WON'T BE VERY BIG.

SO IT'LL BE, IT, IT'S BASICALLY A TRUCK STOP.

THAT'S WHAT HE PLANS ON DEALING WITH.

I, I, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE SPECIFICS OF, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN SHOWN A SPECIFIC DESIGN YET.

BUT AGAIN, IT BEING AN ONLY AN ACRE, I WOULDN'T IMAGINE IT BEING TO THE LEVEL OF TRUCK STOP.

I WOULD SEE IT AS A GAS STATION CONVENIENCE STORE.

IT'S A LITTLE AWKWARD PLACE.

WHY, WHY WOULD THEY WANT US TO ANNEX THEM THERE? WHY, WHY WOULD THEY NEED US TO ANNEX 'EM THERE? UH, FOR SERVICES? FOR SERVICES, UTILITIES, WATER, WATER, SEWER, POLICE, FIRE, ALL THAT.

WHAT UTILITIES SAID, THE, THE, THE LAST PEOPLE USE WITH THE TRUCK STOP AND THE DOMINOES THAT WAS THERE.

WHAT, WHAT UTILITIES DID THEY USE? UH, I, I DUNNO THE ANSWER TO THAT.

SO AGAIN, WE, WE CAN COME BACK WITH ANSWERS TO SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS WHEN WE COME BACK FOR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

UM, FOR NOW, UM, STAFF HAS DONE A, A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF RESEARCH JUST TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT THE APPLICATION ITSELF.

SO JUST SO THAT EVERYONE'S AWARE ON COUNSEL.

UM, SO FIRST, THE FIRST STEP IS ANNEXATION.

THIS IS INVOLUNTARY.

SO THAT'S THE FIRST STEP.

IF IT WERE TO BE ANNEXED, VOLUNT, VOLUNTARY.

VOLUNTARY.

VOLUNTARY, EXCUSE ME.

YEAH, VOLUNTARY IS VOLUNTARY.

AND SO, UM, WITH THAT, ONCE THEY'RE ANNEXED, THE VERY NEXT STEP FOR THE MOST PART WILL BE, UM, PUTTING IT INTO A ZONE.

THE VERY FIRST ZONE WE DO FOR ALL PROPERTY IS OPEN SPACE RECREATIONAL, WHICH IS GREEN SPACE.

SO BASICALLY THERE'S A RISK TO ANY INDIVIDUAL, BUT PARTICULARLY THEM THAT IT WILL, IT COULD COME IN, BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY OF BAYTOWN, BUT ONLY BE GREEN SPACE.

AND THAT COULD BE WHERE IT COULD STAY.

JUST, JUST SO FOR YOUR INFORMATION THERE.

AND MAYOR, MY, UH, MY QUESTION IS ALSO MORE OF A CLARIFICATION, MARTIN.

UM, SO IF WE'RE APPROVING THE ANNEXATION, Y WILL GO INTO THE SERVICE PLAN AND ALL OF THAT.

SO WE STILL HAVE AN O AN OPPORTUNITY THEN TO LOOK AT THE PROJECT AND, UM, VOTE ON WHETHER WE WANNA APPROVE IT, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

Y'ALL HAVE SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES IN THE FUTURE TO KIND OF GET INTO SOME OF THE MEAT OF THE PROJECT ITSELF.

UM, THE ANNEXATION ITSELF, YOU'LL HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.

YOU'LL HAVE TWO UH, READINGS OF THE ORDINANCE.

AT ANY POINT YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.

UM, YOU'LL ALSO HAVE, AS THE MAYOR POINTED OUT, THERE WILL BE A REZONE PROCESS TO GO ALONG WITH THAT.

WE EXPECT THAT TO BE CONCURRENT WITH THE ANNEXATION PROCESS.

UH, AND WE WILL GET INTO ALL OF THE DETAILS OF THAT.

UM, AT, AT THAT TIME, UM, I I DID THIS TIME, I'M, I'M PRETTY SURE I'M CORRECT, THAT WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT ON ZOOM AND IS, AND IS HERE TO ANSWER.

AND, AND HE HAS STATED THAT HE'D LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

I REPRESENT QUIKTRIP CORPORATION.

JUST GET DOWN THE LINE.

MAYOR.

COUNCIL, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, SIR.

CAN, CAN YOU HEAR US? YES, SIR.

LET ME TURN MY CAMERA ON HERE.

UH, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY.

UM, AND, UM, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS.

MY NAME IS ROBERT COSTELLO.

UM, QUICKTRIP HAS BEEN SEEKING TO DEVELOP

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THIS CORNER OF THIS PROPERTY, NOT JUST THE ONE ACRE ON THE HARD CORNER, BUT QUICKTRIP OWNS THE SURROUNDING 27 ACRES AS WELL.

UM, AND TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, MAYBE TWO YEARS AGO OR SO, WE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH A TEXT AMENDMENT PROCESS WITH THE CITY OF BAYTOWN, UH, TO ACTUALLY ADD THE DEFINED USE OF A TRAVEL CENTER, UM, TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER'S QUESTION EARLIER.

UM, AND SO THAT IS WHAT IS PROPOSED HERE.

AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR.

I DIDN'T WANT TO, UH, MAKE IT SEEM LIKE WE WERE BEING SHIFTY OR ANYTHING.

THE THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE MUCH LARGER THAN ONE ACRE.

THE WAY THE PROPERTY FITS RIGHT NOW, AND IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S JUST A LITTLE ONE ACRE CORNER, UM, THAT IS, UH, COUNTY.

IT'S A LITTLE COUNTY ISLAND.

THE ENTIRE SURROUNDING PROPERTY IS CITY OF BAYTOWN PROPERTY.

UM, AND SO WE ALREADY OWN THE BIG PIECE.

WE BOUGHT OUT THE C STORE, THE OLD RUNDOWN EXXON.

WE ARE RELOCATING THE DOMINOES, UH, TO A BRAND NEW BUILDING.

AND WE WILL BE REDEVELOPING THAT ENTIRE CORNER, UM, TO A VERY HIGH CLASS, VERY STATE OF THE ART, UM, TRAVEL CENTER.

UM, YOU, YOU MIGHT WANT TO CALL IT A TRUCK STOP, BUT, UH, AGAIN, WE WENT THROUGH THE TEXT AMENDMENT PROCESS THAT, THAT, THAT FURTHER DEFINE TRAVEL TO THE TRAVEL CENTER DIFFERENT THAN A TRUCK STOP.

AND SO THAT IS WHAT, UH, THAT IS WHAT OUR PROPOSAL IS HERE.

AND, UM, AGAIN, I I, I WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND IN PERSON TODAY, BUT, UH, THE SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS, I I WILL BE, UH, IN PERSON, UH, AND CAN PROVIDE A LOT MORE INFORMATION, SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, PERSPECTIVES, ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

AND REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO, TO DISCUSSING THIS PROJECT WITH, WITH EVERYONE AND, AND, UM, GETTING THIS MOVEMENT.

IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH .

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH CITY OF BAYTOWN UTILITIES ON VARIOUS UTILITY, UH, STRATEGIES FOR THE WHOLE AREA, UH, INCLUDING THE SURPLUS THAT WE WON'T DEVELOP, BUT WE WILL PROVIDE OPPORTUNITY FOR A DEVELOPER TO COME IN AND WE WILL SELL IT.

BUT WE'RE GONNA PLAN FOR THE, THE, THE FULL DEVELOPMENT OF, UM, THE 27 PLUS ACRES THERE AT THE CORNER.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, FOR HIM YES, FOR HIM SPECIFICALLY.

UH, I KNOW WHEN YOU BROUGHT THIS A FEW YEARS BACK, I, I WASN'T, UH, ON COUNCIL YET, BUT I BELIEVE IT GOT KIND OF CAUGHT OFF BECAUSE THE, UH, TEXDOT WAS PLANNING TO PUT THE, PUT A ROAD RIGHT THROUGH THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR THE NEW, UH, EXTENS CENTER BRIDGE.

SO HAS THAT CHANGED? I, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY UPDATED PLANS FROM TXDOT.

UH, YES, SIR.

VERY, VERY, VERY GOOD MEMORY.

UH, YES.

THIS PROJECT ALMOST DIED, UM, ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.

SO TEXDOT, WITH THE REPLACEMENT OF THE SAN JACINTO BRIDGE, THEY HAVE, UM, FURTHER DEFINED AND DESIGNED THEIR SCHEMATIC WHERE IT DOESN'T AFFECT OUR PROPERTY LIKE WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO AT ONE POINT.

UM, AND SO, UH, I, I CAN, YOU KNOW, AS, AS WE GET FURTHER INTO THIS, CERTAINLY PROVIDE, UH, THE TEXT SCHEMATIC THAT HAS BEEN SHARED WITH US.

UH, WE'RE WORKING PRETTY CLOSELY WITH THEM DURING THIS DESIGN PHASE, AS WE WILL LIKELY BE, UM, CONSTRUCTED BEFORE THEY BEGIN.

BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION FOR, UH, US BEING THERE, UH, WHILE THEY'RE DESIGNING IT RIGHT NOW.

AND SO WE'VE SHARED CAD FILES, WE'VE SHARED A, A LOT OF ENGINEERING INFORMATION.

UM, SO THERE, THERE WAS A CHANGE TO THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT OF WHAT THE SANDRA CENTRAL REPLACEMENT WAS GONNA LOOK LIKE.

AND THEN NOW TEXT DOTS HAD ABOUT A 30% SCHEMATIC STAGE, UH, AND THEY ARE TENTATIVELY TRACKING FOR A MID 20, 27, LET DATE ON THE PROJECT.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I JUST, YES, I JUST GONNA TELL YOU, I APPRECIATE YOUR TRANSPARENCY, UM, BECAUSE I, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THEM OWNING OR THE, THE PRIOR, THE 27 ACRES OR THE PRIOR CONVERSATIONS THAT HAD TAKEN PLACE.

SO I DO APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT TO US.

SO YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE MORE DISCUSSION, BUT TONIGHT ALL WE'RE DOING IS GRANTING A PETITION FOR ANNEXATION UNTIL WE GET, TECHNICALLY, UNTIL WE REALLY GET A SITE PLAN, THEN WE REALLY CAN'T MAKE ANY OTHER DECISIONS OTHER THAN IS THERE A, IS A OR VALID PETITION THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED.

UM, WHAT, WHAT I WOULD SAY WHEN THIS WAS UP, I GUESS JUST UP FOR CONSIDERATION A WHILE BACK, UM, ONE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I WOULD HATE TO USE A, A WORD OF A COMPETITOR, BUT I'LL SAY THIS.

FIRST OFF, THERE WOULD BE NO, UM, OVERNIGHT, UH, PARKING IN ANY WAY.

THAT'S ONE.

THERE WAS ONE, ONE CONSTRAINT.

UM, I DON'T, AND SORRY TO INTERRUPT, AND LIMITED TO ONLY EIGHT SPACES.

THERE'S ONLY GONNA BE EIGHT TRUCK SPOTS, EIGHT PARKING SPACES, NO, OVERNIGHT.

SO IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK LIKE THOMPSON.

IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK LIKE ANY OF THOSE GUYS OVER THERE WHERE THEY'VE GOT 50, 60, 70, 80 TRUCKS PARKED THERE AND IT'S IN THAT HOUSE.

RIGHT? AND SO, UM, FOR TONIGHT, JUST

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AND THAT'S WHAT WE WILL BE CONSIDERING TONIGHT.

SO WITH THAT, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEM SEVEN A, UM, FOR APPROVAL.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF NOT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF SEVEN A AS PRESENTED, PLEASE SAY AYE.

ALL OPPOSED? UH, WE'LL

[a. Discuss and vote on the revisions to Chapter 14 "Animals" of the City of Baytown Code of Ordinances. ]

MOVE ON TO ITEM EIGHT A.

AND SO I'M SURE THAT THERE IS MANY CITIZENS THAT, THAT DID SIGN UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

UM, MS. GRAHAM, I KNOW YOU DID SIGN UP.

THERE WERE SOME OTHER CITIZENS THAT SIGNED UP BEFORE YOU, BUT WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS ASK, UM, MS. MS. FRENCH AND MS. ELDRIDGE, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO ALLOW MS. GRAHAM, UM, TO SPEAK FIRST, THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU.

IS THAT FINE? ALRIGHT.

SO MS. GRAHAM, ON ITEM EIGHT A, YOU WERE FIRST UP AND SO YOU DO HAVE THREE MINUTES.

SO WHEN YOU SEE THE YELLOW LIGHT, AS YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT MEANS YOU HAVE ABOUT 30 SECONDS LEFT.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNSEL.

TONY GRAHAM, 7 8 11 WOOD HOLLOW DRIVE.

I'M ASKING COUNSEL TODAY TO KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE BALL.

TO PASS.

THE COMMUNITY CAC PROGRAM, WHICH ENDS THE BREEDING CYCLE, IMPROVES THE CAT'S HEALTH AND MAKES THEM BETTER NEIGHBORS BY ENDING THEIR MATING BEHAVIORS.

THE BALL THIS EVENING IS SPAYING AND NEUTERING TO REDUCE THE OVERPOPULATION.

THE BALL IS NOT ABOUT DEFINITIONS.

COUNCIL HAS RECEIVED OVER 200 LETTERS FROM RESIDENTS AND OVER 500 RESIDENTS HAVE SIGNED A PETITION TO SUPPORT OUR CATS.

THE NUMBERS DO NOT LIE.

THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM ATTEST TO THAT AS WELL.

THE COMMUNITY CLEARLY WANTS THIS PROGRAM AND NEEDS THIS PROGRAM.

SO THE ADVICE THAT I GIVE MYSELF, I ENCOURAGE COUNSEL TO NOT GET HUNG UP ON DEFINITIONS AND JUST KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE BALL AND VOTE TONIGHT TO PASS THE COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM.

OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS IT AND OUR ANIMALS NEED IT AS WELL.

ALRIGHT, MOVE ON TO MS. FRENCH.

SO IF YOU CAN JUST PLEASE COME TO PODIUM AND, UH, PLEASE STATE YOUR ADDRESS.

HI, UH, MY NAME IS WENDY FRENCH.

UM, UH, I'M AT 9 0 1 PINE MONT IN HOUSTON.

UM, GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.

UH, THANK YOU FOR LETTING US SPEAK TODAY.

UH, I'M WITH BEST FRIENDS ANIMAL SOCIETY.

UM, COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAMMING IS BECOMING INDUSTRY STANDARD ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

HARRIS COUNTY AND THE CITY OF HOUSTON ARE BOTH RUNNING SUCCESSFUL COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAMS AND RIGHT NEXT DOOR, THE CITY OF PASADENA IS WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH US AND AT BEST FRIENDS TO MEET THE SAME GOAL OF IMPLEMENTING THIS PROGRAM IN THEIR CITY AS WELL.

UH, BEST FRIENDS CONDUCTED A VERY LARGE SCALE STUDY FROM 2012 TO 2014 THAT INVOLVES SIX MUNICIPALITIES, OVER 70,000 CATS, AND THREE YEARS WORTH OF WORK.

THE RESEARCH CONCLUDED THAT IMPLEMENTING COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAMS IN EACH REGION RESULTED IN A DECLINE OF CAT INTAKE, EUTHANASIA, AND NUISANCE COMPLAINTS.

WITH THOSE STATISTICS AND YOUR SHELTER'S DATA IN MIND, THIS ORDINANCE COULD HAVE PREVENTED NEARLY 400 CAT DEATHS IN THE SHELTER IN 2022 AND 140 CATS SO FAR IN 2023, WE ASK THAT YOU VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE COMMUNITY CAT ORDINANCE TONIGHT FOR THE CATS YOUR COMMUNITY AND THE SHELTER STAFF.

TO FOCUS ON THE REAL ISSUE IN THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS PROTECTING THE CITIZENS AND ENSURING THEIR SAFETY.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

NEXT WE HAVE MS. IS ELDRIDGE ELDRIDGE DRIVE.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

HELLO, GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS CATHERINE ELDRIDGE.

AND, UH, PRIOR TO JOINING BEST FRIENDS ANIMAL SOCIETY, I WAS AN ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER IN A MUNICIPALITY HERE IN TEXAS THAT HAD BOTH A COMMUNITY CAT ORDINANCE AND PROGRAM.

I CAN TELL YOU IT IS ONE OF THE MOST PROACTIVE, FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND EFFECTIVE PROGRAMS THAT A CITY AND SHELTER CAN HAVE.

I WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE NOT JUST EDUCATION TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO REAL SOLUTIONS TO BOTH THE COMPLAINANT AND THE ACCUSED.

THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE TO A COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM IS BEING PUNITIVE, AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING PUNISHED REALLY JUST WANT THE HELP.

AND, BUT THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO IT.

AND SO AFTER DOING THE PROGRAM FOR A COUPLE MONTHS, MY CALLS REDUCED BY 80%, WHICH TELLS ME TWO THINGS.

ONE, THAT THE PROGRAM'S WORKING AND TWO, THAT NOW I CAN PRIORITIZE MY TIME

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SO AFTER STARTING THE PROGRAM, IT INCREASED BOTH COMMUNITY COLLABORATION AND ENGAGEMENT, WHICH REFLECTED POSITIVELY ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY, CITY I WORK FOR.

I DO ENCOURAGE YOU TONIGHT TO VOTE IN FAVOR FOR THE COMMUNITY CAT ORDINANCE FOR THE COMMUNITY, THE ANIMALS AND THE SHELTER.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MA'AM.

UH, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, UM, BUT MS. CUSICK, UM, YOU DID SIGN UP FOR ITEM EIGHT A AND I THINK EIGHT B TWO, BUT I'M TOLD THAT THAT YOU, YOU DON'T DESIRE TO SPEAK ON EITHER OF THOSE TWO BUILDING ALL OF OUR TIME, RIGHT? WE, WE WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT.

BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT DESIRING TO SPEAK.

SO I'LL MOVE FORWARD.

UH, MR. GRAY, UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

UM, SO, UH, I'M HERE TONIGHT.

I COURT ORDER, I'M SIGNING UP TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM ON A DAY.

THAT, THAT, WELL, THAT'S OKAY THEN I CAN HAVE YOU SPEAK.

WELL, YOU TOLD ME YOU DIDN'T, YOU YOU DIDN'T WANT TO.

I THOUGHT, BUT NO, DIDN'T SAY THAT.

GO AHEAD MR. BE I SAID I DIDN'T NEED NINE MINUTES.

OH, OKAY.

SO JUST ON ANOTHER POINT OF ORDINANCE, JUST TO BE CLARIFICATION, THERE'S NO ORDINANCE IN THE CURRENT AGENDA TO VOTE ON.

THERE'S NO DOCUMENTATION, THERE'S NO LANGUAGE.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS EXACTLY, BUT YOU'RE GONNA VOTE ON IF I GET THREE MINUTES, HOW CAN I BE LEFT WITH 50 SECONDS LEFT? THANK YOU.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE GONNA VOTE ON THERE.

IF THERE'S NO ORDINANCE BEEN PRESENTED TO THE COMMUNITY, THERE'S NO ATTACHMENTS.

AND IF I TALKED TO SUB CITY COUNCIL EARLIER TODAY, THEY HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY ORDINANCE.

SO I'M NOT CLEAR WHAT IT IS YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW WITH THIS ITEM.

SO A GENERAL POINT OF ORDER I WOULD SUGGEST YOU TABLE THIS ITEM.

SO THERE'S ACTUALLY NOTHING TO VOTE ON.

HOWEVER, I WILL GO ON RECORD THAT I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS PROGRAM.

AND I LIVE IN BAYTOWN.

I DON'T LIVE IN HOUSTON.

I DON'T LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HARRIS COUNTY.

I LIVE IN BAYTOWN AND I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

I HAVE A FERAL CAT PROBLEM.

I DON'T HAVE A COLONY, I DON'T HAVE A COMMUNITY.

I HAVE A FERAL CAT PROBLEM AND HAVE HAD FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS.

MR. LESTER CAN ATTEST TO YOU HOW MANY TIMES WHEN HE WAS IN PUBLIC HEALTH THAT I CALLED AND SAID, HOW THE HELL DO I CATCH THESE CATS? I GOT FOUR TRAPS IN MY YARD RUNNING RIGHT NOW AND THREE IN MY NEIGHBOR'S YARD.

AND THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR SIX YEARS.

WE HAVEN'T CAUGHT A SINGLE CAT.

CAUGHT A LOT OF ARM DEALERS, CAUGHT A LOT OF POSSUMS AND CAUGHT A LOT OF RACCOONS.

NO CATS.

I DON'T THINK YOU CAN TRAP 'EM, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT YOU CAN TRAP 'EM MORE POWER TO YOU.

I'M NOT AN ANTICA PERSON, I'M AN ANTI FERAL PERSON AND I DON'T, WE NEED TO GET RID OF 'EM AND CAPTURE 'EM AND REMOVING 'EM AND MOVING IT AROUND AND RELOCATE 'EM IS NOT THE PROBLEM TO THIS ISSUE.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, I WANT THE CATS GONE.

SO IF YOU TRAP THEM IN MY YARD, FINE.

IF YOU WANNA GO SPEND MONEY TO RENEW 'EM, FINE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, DON'T BRING THEM BACK TO MY HOUSE 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT 'EM THERE.

SECONDLY, TO HAVE AN OUTSIDE ORGANIZATION COME TO THIS TOWN TO CONTINUALLY TELL US HOW TO RUN OUR CITY, I, I QUITE GET IRRITATED OVER THAT.

WE DON'T NEED ALL THESE OUTSIDE ARGUMENTS COMING HERE AND TELLING US HOW TO RUN OUR MONEY AND TO ASK, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA ASK FOR ULTIMATELY IS $160,000 TO FUND A PROGRAM.

WE CAN HIRE A POLICE OFFICER FOR THAT.

WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND THAT ON THE CAT PROGRAM.

SO, ONCE AGAIN, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO VOTE ON TONIGHT BECAUSE THERE IS NO ORDINANCE, THERE'S NO LANGUAGE FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'VE SEEN.

AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO COME BACK WHEN THAT LANGUAGE IS POSTED.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

ALRIGHT, THANKS SIR.

AND, AND I WOULD ASSUME I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE YOU'RE CORRECT.

UH, TONIGHT WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER WOULD BE RE THE REVISIONS, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED BY THE COMMITTEE.

AND THEN AT A FUTURE DATE, I'M ASSUMING FAIRLY SOON, THE FINAL ORDINANCE OR FINAL TRAFFIC ORDINANCE WILL BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL FOR IT IN IT'S CORRECT.

ONCE IT'S FINAL.

THAT, THAT THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE.

THAT'S CORRECT, YES.

SO, UM, WE'LL MOVE ON TO MR. GRAY.

BUT I'M GONNA MAKE SURE THAT'S, THERE'S NO ONE ELSE THERE, SO, ALRIGHT.

UH, AND THE PURPOSE OF THE PRESENTATION IS TO RECEIVE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION ON ALL OF THE ORDINANCES PROPOSED, WHICH WILL THEN BE PRESENTED TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT FOR A THOROUGH REVIEW.

MS. GRAY REVISIONS WEREN'T POSTED IN THE AGENDA 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT, YEAH, I MEAN, I COULDN'T PERSONALLY NOT ANSWER THAT.

BUT WOULDN'T THEY NEED TO BE POSTED IN THE AGENDA FOR PUBLIC ASSUMPTION BEFORE YOU CAN DISCUSS THEM AS A COUNCIL ITEM? WELL, WELL FIRST LEMME I'M ASK YOU FOR CLARIFICATION.

I, I, I UNDERSTAND.

BUT WHAT WE DON'T DO IS WE DON'T, WE DON'T TAKE COMMENTS FROM, FROM THE AUDIENCE AFTER YOU SPEAK.

I'M CALLING POINT ORDER.

I DO APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I UNDERSTAND IT'S ON A POINT OF ORDER.

I UNDERSTAND THERE'S NOTHING BEEN PUBLICLY POSTED FOR AN AGENDA ITEM.

I UNDERSTAND, SIR.

YOU PROCEED, THEN I'LL GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH THE STATE ON VIOLATION OF PUBLIC INFORMATION.

ALRIGHT, SIR, CAN YOU, CAN YOU PROCEED? YES, SIR.

UH, GOOD EVENING, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AGAIN, I'M HERE ALONG WITH THE, UH, ANIMAL CONTROL ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO PRESENT PROPOSED ORDINANCE CHANGES FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

SOME OF THESE WERE COVERED AT THE JULY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.

UH, BUT YOU'LL ALSO SEE THE RECOMMENDED ORDINANCES FOR A COMMUNITY CAP PROGRAM THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE ANIMAL CONTROL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, AT THEIR MEETING LAST THURSDAY.

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AND ONCE THAT IS COMPLETED, THE REVISIONS WILL BE BROUGHT TO COUNSEL, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL.

UH, SO I'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS TIME TO INTRODUCE, UH, SOME MEMBERS OF THE ANIMAL CONTROL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

UH, MEMBERS BEHIND ME, UH, DR. ALVAREZ IS HERE, UH, ALONG WITH MS. HOLLOWAY, THE CHAIR, AND, UH, ALSO LOU SISK, OUR ANIMAL WELFARE REP.

I DON'T SEE ANY OF THE OTHERS, BUT THAT'S THE MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE.

UM, THEY'RE HERE TO SHOW THEIR SUPPORT AND RECOMMENDATION AND, UH, OBVIOUSLY AVAILABLE TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS YOU MAY HAVE AS WE PROCEED.

SO THIS FIRST SLIDE IS A, ESSENTIALLY A REVIEW, UH, FROM THE JULY, UH, COUNCIL WORK SESSION.

UH, YOU SHOULD HAVE, UH, RED LINE VERSIONS IN FRONT OF YOU.

BUT, UM, THE, OUR INTENTION REALLY ON SHOWING ALL THESE, UH, KIND OF IN, IN A ABBREVIATED FORM IS TO JUST, WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD UNLESS THERE'S ANY OBJECTIONS, UM, OF ANY OF THESE, UH, ORDINANCES.

AND, UH, I CAN GO THROUGH 'EM IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

BUT ESSENTIALLY THERE'S GONNA BE SOME, UH, ABANDONED ANIMAL.

THERE'LL BE SOME CHANGES PROPOSED FOR THAT, UH, CERTAIN OFFENSES, UM, REVIEWING THE TERM PERSON AND THE DEFINITION OF OWNER AND HOW IT RELATES THROUGHOUT THE, THE ORDINANCES.

CERTAIN ANIMALS RESTRICTED, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE, UH, LETTER B.

AND THAT ONE, IF YOU REMEMBER THAT WAS TO, UH, ADDRESS, UH, POTENTIAL ANNEXATION ISSUES WITH A POINT SCORING SYSTEM BASED ON CERTAIN TYPES OF ANIMALS AND HOW MANY ANIMALS.

AND THAT WOULD BE BASED ON HOW MUCH PROPERTY OR ACREAGE YOU HAVE.

UH, IT'S VERY, UM, VERY DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND AND, UH, PROBABLY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE.

UM, SO THE UNLAWFUL RESTRAINT OF AN ANIMAL, UH, BASICALLY THAT'S JUST TO TIDY UP FROM A RECENT LEGISLATION AND THE IMPOUNDMENT OF ANIMALS.

UH, THE SECTION C IS A CRITICAL PART THAT WE, UH, WOULD LIKE TO GET A LEGAL DEEP DIVE REVIEW TO DETERMINE WHEN AND IF WE CAN RELEASE OR TAKE OWNERSHIP OF PRISONERS, ANIMALS THAT HAVE BEEN ABANDONED, UH, AT THE SHELTER.

MOVING ON TO THE SECOND SLIDE, UH, THE TOP THREE YOU SEE THERE, UH, WE RECOMMEND TO REMOVE THAT SECTION 1437, UH, IMPOUNDMENT OF ANIMALS BY INDIVIDUALS.

WE THINK IT'S UNNECESSARY AND NOT PRACTICAL TO ENFORCE.

UM, THE NEXT ONE IS THE REDEMPTION OR ADOPTION OF AN IMPOUNDED ANIMAL WHO'S SIMPLY JUST GONNA ADD THE TERM OR THE WORD BUSINESS TO CLARIFY HOW MANY DAYS.

AND THEN THE DANGEROUS DOG HEARING THE LAST ONE, WHICH THAT'S JUST ANOTHER CLEANUP FROM A RECENT AG OPINION.

SO THERE ARE ADDITIONS THAT YOU SEE AT THE BOTTOM.

AND THOSE WERE APPROVED AND RECOMMENDED BY THE COMMITTEE LAST THURSDAY.

UM, IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM, UH, THE DEFINITION OF OWNER WOULD NEED TO EXCLUDE COMMUNITY CATTER, EXCUSE ME, COMMUNITY CAT CARETAKER FROM THE, FROM THE DEFINITION OF OWNER.

UH, THE SECOND ONE IS A NEW NUISANCE ANIMAL DEFINITION, WHICH WE, WE, UM, HAD SOME FEEDBACK PROVIDED ON THAT.

AND SO WHAT, WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS, UH, ANY ANIMAL THAT'S NORMALLY FOUND IN THE WILD THAT IS ENTERED ONTO PUBLIC OR PRIVATE PROPERTY AND BY ITS PRESENCE IS COMMITTING A THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, OR IS A HIGH RISK, UH, FOR RABIES TRANSMISSION.

AND THE, THE FIVE ANIMALS YOU SEE THERE THAT ARE LISTED ARE, UM, THEY'RE HIGH RISK IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

AND SO WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY REMOVE ANY ANIMAL THAT'S A, A THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.

AND THEN POTEN, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION WITH THE HIGH RISK, UH, TRANSMISSION OF, OF RABIES, UH, WE MAY SUBMIT THAT FOR TESTING.

JUST DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION.

THIS ONE HERE IS THE FEES THAT YOU REMEMBER.

UM, WHAT YOU DON'T SEE ON HERE IS BASED ON THE FEEDBACK FROM COUNSEL, IS THE, UH, THE REMOVAL OF THE SURRENDER FEES FOR BOTH OWNER AND STRAY.

UM, HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR ON THAT ONE.

SO WE TOOK THOSE OUT AND, UH, THOSE ARE THE REMAINING PROPOSED FEES THAT WE, UH, RECOMMEND, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION.

UM, CAN WE PAUSE RIGHT THERE? YES, SIR.

UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE SLIDE, NOT THE FEES, BUT THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG DISCUSSION ITEMS. SO BEFORE WE PROCEED, I THINK WE HAVE TO GET PAST THAT.

UM, ON THE EXCLUSION OF COMMUNITY CAT CARETAKER FROM DEFINITION OF OWNER.

UM, SO THE, THE RED LINE DOCUMENTS WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE, THEY HAD BEEN POSTED BEFORE.

SO, UM, THE STATEMENT IS CORRECT THAT IT IS NOT POSTED.

SO I WOULD ASK THAT FOR ANY FUTURE ITEMS IF, ESPECIALLY AS IT PERTAINS TO ORDINANCES THAT WE ATTACH IT SO THE PUBLIC CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BEFOREHAND.

UM, BECAUSE WE DID DO THAT AT A PREVIOUS MEETING WHEN WE TOOK A LOOK AT THIS,

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WHY WOULD WE DO THAT? IN MY MIND, IF YOU'RE TAKING CARE OF CATS, THEY'RE YOURS, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY'RE FERAL OR NOT.

YOU'RE FEEDING THEM, YOU'RE TAKING CARE OF THEM, YOU'RE GIVING THEM WATER, YOU'RE AN OWNER.

SO WHY WOULD WE TAKE COMMUNITY CAT CARETAKER AWAY FROM OWNER? WELL, AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE UPCOMING SLIDES, THERE'S, UM, THE, THE DEFINITIONS, UH, ONCE YOU GET, ONCE WE GET TO THE COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM MM-HMM .

UH, THERE'S SOME VERBIAGE IN THERE THAT THE, THE COMMITTEE, UH, RECOMMENDED, UH, THAT WOULD BASICALLY EXEMPT THE OWNER FROM, UH, ALL THE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD APPLY TO, UM, A TYPICAL PET OWNER.

SO IF MY CAT GETS AWAY, I'M THE CARETAKER, THE COMMUNITY CAT CARETAKER.

AND AGAIN, I MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT FOR MY QUESTION UNTIL YOU DO THE NEXT THING, UH, THE NEXT SLIDE.

BUT, SO IF MY CAT GOES AND DOES DAMAGE, THEY'RE PART OF MY COLONY, THEN I'M NOT HELD LIABLE FOR ANYTHING BECAUSE I'M NOT, ITS OWNER AS A COMMUNITY CAT CARETAKER.

SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S SOME NUISANCE, UM, LANGUAGE THAT YOU'LL SEE COMING UP AS WELL THAT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES, UH, COMMUNITY CATS AS A POTENTIAL NUISANCE.

SO THE CARETAKER WOULD ACTUALLY BE THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY AND WE WOULD HAVE, UH, CONVERSATIONS WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL, UH, TO STOP THE NUISANCE THAT'S OCCURRING IF IT IS DEEMED A NUISANCE.

SO ANY, UM, FINES WOULD ALSO APPLY TO THEM.

SO IF WE'RE APPLYING A FI A FINE TO A CAR, UH, AN OWNER, MY DOG GETS LOOSE OR IT'S NOT ON A LEASH, I GET A FINE.

SO WOULD THEY JUST GET A TALKING TO, OR WOULD THEY GET A FINE AS WELL? WELL, I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE, THE DEEPER REVIEW BY THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

ONCE WE GET THE DIRECTION ON, UM, WHAT COUNSEL IS COMFORTABLE WITH OR DOESN'T LIKE, UH, THEN WE TURN THAT TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

THAT'S THE, THAT'S PROBABLY THE, THE MORE COMPLICATED PROCESS OF REVIEWING THE ORDINANCE IN, IN ITS ENTIRETY.

AND THEN LOOKING AT THE, THE PIECES THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION, AND THEN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WORKING WITH US TO CREATE WHAT, WHAT THE OFFENSE IS AND WHAT, WHAT THE ACTIONS ARE BASED ON THE ORDINANCE.

BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH TAKING THEM OUT.

I'M JUST GONNA GO AHEAD AND JUMP IN.

UM, I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE A HUNDRED PERCENT.

IT, IT'S REALLY CONFUSING TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY CAME OUT HERE TONIGHT.

THE CONCEPT WAS, AND IT WAS STATED, THE CONCEPT IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY IS THAT WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THIS ORDINANCE TONIGHT.

WE'RE NOT, WE WE'RE BASICALLY SUPPOSEDLY GONNA LISTEN TO ALL THIS AND THEN GIVE A CONSENSUS.

I THINK WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN A CONSENSUS OF WHERE WE WANT THIS TO GO.

WE'VE GIVEN SOME INPUT, WE'LL CONTINUE TO GIVE INPUT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A PROGRAM OR NOT, BUT I, I MOVE THAT WE SUSPEND IT FOR A MAXIMUM OF 60 DAYS TO GIVE LEGAL A CHANCE TO DO THE VETTING AND LET'S BRING AN ORDINANCE FORWARD FOR US TO REVIEW AND LOOK AT SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE APPROVING OR NOT APPROVING OR DISAGREE WITH.

WE, WE KEEP BRINGING THIS UP, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT WE'RE NOT MAKING GROUND.

THE REASON WE KEEP BRINGING IT BACK IS YES, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT AND THERE'S NO CONSENSUS FROM COUNSEL TO ACTUALLY BUILD AN ORDINANCE.

SO WE HAVE TO GET WHAT Y'ALL AGREE ON AND WHAT YOU DON'T AGREE ON SO THAT WE CAN DEFINE AN ORDINANCE, BUILD AN ORDINANCE.

LEGAL CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE CAN BRING IT BACK.

OTHERWISE WE'RE SHOOTING IN THE DARK.

WE HAVE A GENERAL UNDERSTANDING AND, AND THE GENERAL UNDERSTANDING IS THERE, BUT JUST WE HAVEN'T GOT PAST THE SECOND SLIDE.

AND THERE'S ALREADY A DISAGREEMENT ON WHERE WE STAND WITH THE SECOND SLIDE.

SO WE NEED TO DEFINE THAT BEFORE WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE BUILT.

BECAUSE LEGAL IS GONNA SPEND, UM, CLOSE TO THREE WEEKS BUILDING AN ORDINANCE.

UH, WE DON'T LOOK TO HAVE THIS BACK.

IF IT'S FINISHED TONIGHT, WE DON'T LOOK TO HAVE IT BACK UNTIL THE SECOND MEETING OF SEPTEMBER.

UH, SO THAT WE CAN VET THE PROCESS.

AND FOR US, WE NEED A CONSENSUS FROM COUNSEL SO THAT THIS CAN BE PROPERLY BUILT.

WE UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT Y'ALL WANT, WE BRING IT BACK.

'CAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA KEEP GOING THROUGH THE SAME ITERATION AND SAME ITERATION WITH THE ORDINANCE UNTIL, UNTIL IT'S FINALIZED.

I DO NOT SUPPORT STALLING IT ANY LONGER.

MY OPINION IS, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET A CONSENSUS.

I THINK YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH A SPLIT VOTE, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA KNOW THAT UNTIL YOU GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS THE, THE COMMITTEE THAT WE HAVE TASKED WITH DOING THIS HAS MADE A RECOMMENDATION.

UM, I, I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING US A CHANCE TO SEE IT AGAIN, BUT THIS IS SIX YEARS IN THE MAKING.

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I AM READY FOR THIS TO COME TO A VOTE AND SEE IF IT PASSES OR FAILS.

I AGREE 100%.

I I I WANT Y'ALL TO BRING US SOMETHING, SOMETHING SOON AND I WANNA VOTE.

SO, SO WITH THAT, I MEAN, I, I GET THAT.

I THINK YOU HEARD THE CITY MANAGER SAY HE NEEDS TO KNOW THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE SO HE CAN GIVE US SOMETHING TO VOTE ON BECAUSE THEN WE'LL HAVE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE, THEN WE'RE STILL GONNA BE WHAT'S THE CONSENSUS ON THE ORDINANCE.

SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED US TO AT LEAST TRY TO GET CONSENSUS ON THIS DEFINITION SO WE CAN POST IT.

BUT THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS, WE DID THAT.

IN FACT, THESE, THESE SLIDES ARE, ARE WHAT MR. GRAY PUT TOGETHER FROM OUR, WHAT WE ASKED.

SO I I'M GOING TO JUST SECOND THAT.

THIS, THIS WAS BUILT ON THE CONSENSUS OF WHAT WE SAID THE LAST TWO LONG CONVERSATIONS WE HAD.

SO I FEEL LIKE THIS IS MORE FOR THE STAFF THAN IT IS FOR US.

I THINK Y'ALL NEED TO TAKE THIS.

I DON'T NEED TO REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID.

BUILD IT, BRING IT TO US.

LET US VOTE.

I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE.

I MEAN, I THINK IT'S TIME TO, TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE.

OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE ONE TONIGHT.

THESE TWO WERE BIG ONES FOR, FOR COUNSEL.

I THINK THE DEFINITION FIRST OFF, RIGHT, IT SETS THE STAGE FOR THE REST.

I'M 100% READY TO VOTE.

SO WITH THAT, I JUST NEED US TO GET PAST THIS AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE CAN, AND MAYBE THAT, MAYBE THAT IS THE CASE.

I DON'T KNOW.

I GOT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, SO I'M WAITING.

WELL, YOU HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE FOR YOU SAID NO MORE THAN 60 DAYS GET LEGAL A CHANCE.

THEY SAID THERE'D BE IN OF SEPTEMBER.

LET'S, LET'S, LET'S, I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES.

BASICALLY LET, WE NEED TO GET AN ORDINANCE, A HARD PIECE OF PAPER.

SO WE LOOK AT IT AND SAY, YES, WE AGREE, OR NO, WE DON'T.

AND LET'S MOVE ON.

SO WITH THAT, SO MAYOR, SIR, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR, TO TABLE TO SIGN FOR 60, A MAX OF 60 DAYS.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

THERE'S A SECOND.

SO WITH THAT, UM, THERE'S A MOTION A SECOND.

ANY I GUESS, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING THE TABLING OF THIS ITEM? UP TO 60 DAYS? YES, SIR.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

IS IT ON THIS MOTION? WE HAVE A MOTION RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS TABLING.

I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE MOTION.

IT'S ON, IT'S ON, IT'S ON THE QUESTION OF RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE A MOTION, SIR, ON THE FLOOR.

IT'S A QUESTION ON THE COMMUNITY CA CARETAKER.

I, I GET THAT.

BUT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT THERE RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A VALID AND SECOND MOTION IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DISCUSS.

I HAVE IF IT, IF IT, IF THE TABLING PASSES, THERE'S NO MORE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM TONIGHT.

IF IT FAILS, THEN YOU CAN ASK YOUR QUESTION.

I UNDERSTAND.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE MOTION THAT IS ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW? YES, SIR.

UM, WE'RE MAKE THE, THE MOTION WAS MADE TO SUSPEND THIS ITEM, UM, AND, AND BRING IT BACK WITH AN ORDINANCE.

I'M ASKING WHAT ORDINANCE ARE WE GONNA HAVE BROUGHT BACK TO US BECAUSE WE, I MEAN WE HAVE THIS RED LINE VERSION THAT WE HAVE SEEN A COUPLE TIMES AND I THINK WE PROBABLY WOULD BE PREPARED TO VOTE ON THAT.

BUT THERE'S AN ENTIRE SEPARATE PART OF THIS, THE COMMUNITY CAT PORTION THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN AT ALL.

AN ORDINANCE FOR THAT.

SO ARE YOU ASKING THAT ALL OF THAT IS BROUGHT BACK IN AN ORDINANCE? THE RED LINES THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT AND THE COMMUNITY CAT ADDITION PORTION TO THAT ALL IN ONE PIECE, WHICH IS, LET'S, LET'S DO THIS, GET IT DONE.

AS MY COLLEAGUES HAVE INDICATED, THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AND IT'S GONNA COME DOWN TO A SPLIT VOTE.

I'M SURE.

SO WE JUST, BUT IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SIT HERE AND GO EVERYTHING HE'S PRESENTING, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, PUT IT, PUT IT DOWN SO I CAN SAY, YES, I LIKE THIS.

NO, I DON'T LIKE THAT.

YES, I LIKE THIS.

NO, I DON'T LIKE THAT.

AND THEN WE'LL MAKE THAT DECISION AND VOTE ON IT.

BUT GIVE THEM 60 DAYS.

IT FRUSTRATES ME WHEN I SEE NOTES GIVEN TO US, IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, HERE'S OUR CONTENT, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN VETTED BY THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT YET.

WHY AM I EVEN LOOKING AT IT? UNLESS IT'S A WORK SESSION AND YOU WANNA DO A WORK SESSION, THAT'S FINE.

BUT I, I THINK WE NEED TO BRING THIS TO A HEAD AND, AND WE NEED TO, TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AND VOTE ON.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THERE'S NO POINT.

KEEP JUST WASHING THIS.

I ALL THE WAY DOWN THE ROAD.

COUNCILMAN AND I AGREE.

I JUST, THERE'S, THERE'S THESE, THE KEY POINTS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR OUR ORDINANCE.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO AGREE ON.

BUT RE REGARDLESS, WE'RE NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE MOTION IT'S THE TABLE OR NOT.

SO UNLESS THERE'S ANY COMMENTS REGARDING TO THE TABLING, I'M GONNA CALL FOR THE VOTE.

SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF TABLING THIS ITEM FOR A MAX OF JUST, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE US A DATE.

I THINK THAT MAKES AN ATTORNEY MORE COMFORTABLE.

SO YOU JUST WANNA SAY 60 DAYS WOULD BE, WELL, YOU SAID SEPTEMBER 20, THE SECOND MEETING IN SECOND MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.

WELL, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS UP TO MAX TO 60 DAYS.

SO WHATEVER FALLS IN THAT PENDING, THUS.

PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF TABLING THIS ITEM, UH, THIS EVENING, UH,

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ALL THOSE OF NOT TABLING THIS ITEM THIS EVENING, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

SO, ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL CONTINUE DISCUSSION.

LET'S AT LEAST TRY TO GET CONSENSUS ON, UM, THE NUISANCE ANIMAL DEFINITION, IF WE MAY.

I THINK I'LL USE MR. BEARD'S EXAMPLE, RIGHT? SO ANY ANIMAL, ANY ANIMAL NORMALLY FOUND IN THE WILD, I WOULD ASSUME A FERAL CAT WOULD BE THAT, UH, NO SIR, THAT IS ENTERED ONTO ANY PUBLIC OR PRIVATE PROPERTY.

AND BY ITS PRESENCE IS COMMITTING A THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, OR IS A HIGH RISK.

SO IT'S IN ADDITION TO THAT, OBVIOUSLY THESE OTHERS AT SKUNKS, FOXES, COYOTES, AND RACCOONS.

SO THIS HERE WOULD BE, UH, THIS ANIMAL, IF IT WAS TRAPPED BY, IF IT WAS TRAPPED BY MR. BEARD, IF HE SURRENDERS THAT ANIMAL TO OUR ANIMAL CONTROL, THEN, THEN WE, THAT ANIMAL WOULD AT THAT POINT FOLLOW WHATEVER PROCESS WE HAVE IN PLACE.

YES OR NO? NO.

WHY NOT? NO, BECAUSE, UH, A FERAL CAT WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A WILD ANIMAL.

IT'S A DOMESTIC CAT.

SO NOT TO SAY THAT IT CAN'T BE ADDRESSED WHEN, WHEN WE GET INTO THE COMMUNITY CAT PART, THERE'S A DEFINITION ALREADY IN THE ORDINANCE FOR WILD ANIMALS AND RIGHT.

BUT WE, MR. GRAY, WE CAN'T GET PAST, WE CAN'T GET INTO THE COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM AND WE CAN'T EVEN AGREE ON WHAT IS A WILD ANIMAL OR A NUISANCE ANIMAL.

AND, AND THAT'S GONNA BE THE STRUGGLE.

I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE THE STRUGGLE BECAUSE YOU HAVE INDIVIDUALS THROUGH HIM, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THIS, THIS, THIS MEETS HIS DEFINITION OF, OF A NUISANCE ANIMAL, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.

MA'AM, MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION AND LET MR. GRAY CONTINUE WITH THE PRESENTATION? BECAUSE THE NUISANCE CAT DEFINITION IS IN SOME FUTURE SLIDES.

AND SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THERE'S TWO SEPARATE DEFINITIONS.

THERE'S A NUISANCE ANIMAL DEFINITION AND YOU'RE PROPOSING A NUISANCE CAT DEFINITION.

WHICH ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS.

UH, MOVING ON TO THE FEES.

UM, LIKE I JUST, UH, STATED PREVIOUSLY, THE, UH, THE TWO ITEMS THAT WE GOT FEEDBACK ON FROM COUNSEL, THE SURRENDER FEES FOR OWNER AND STRAY ARE NOT, UH, ON THIS TABLE.

UH, AND SO THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE PROPOSE THAT WE WOULD STILL PROPOSE AND RECOMMEND IF COUNSEL CHOOSES TO, UH, BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS ANY OF THESE FEES IF YOU'D LIKE.

UM, I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANY HANG UP ON ANY FEES.

IS THAT CORRECT? EVERYBODY AGREES ON THE FEES? YES.

YEP.

NEXT SLIDE.

UH, FRANCISCO ALVAREZ, DR. ALVAREZ HERE.

SO NOW WE GET TO THE COMMUNITY CAP PROGRAM.

AND SO I'M GONNA HAVE DR. ALVAREZ COME UP HERE AND PRESENT THE COMMITTEES, THE ANIMAL CONTROL ADVISORY COMMITTEES RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, FOR THE DIFFERENT PROPOSED REVISIONS, UH, IN DEALING WITH OUR, OR ADDRESSING COMMUNITY CATS.

JUST GO LOOK AT THAT.

GOOD EVENING COUNSEL.

UM, SO HOPEFULLY THIS IS THE COMPLETE PACKAGE.

I, YOU KNOW, YES, I AGREE.

WE NEED TO KIND OF MOVE ALONG, ALONG WITH THIS.

SO THIS FIRST STEP IS THE FEEDING OF STRAY CATS.

SO WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS UNLAWFUL TO FEED STRAY ANIMALS KIND OF THE SAME WAY.

YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T FEEL, YOU DON'T FEED WILD ANIMALS, DON'T FEED STRAY CATS, OKAY? AND THAT'S GONNA ADDRESS A LOT OF THIS KIND OF OVERPOPULATION.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, CATS ARE BECOMING, UH, IF THEY'RE OVER FED, THEN THERE'S GONNA BE MORE OF THEM PROPAGATING TOGETHER AND SO ON, SO FORTH.

SO WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT UNLAWFUL FOR THE FEEDING OF STRAY ANIMALS, UNLESS IT'S A COMMUNITY CAT CAREGIVER MAINTAINING A COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM.

AND WE'RE GONNA GET INTO WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DEFINE AS COMMUNITY CATS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS SLIDE? I DO.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO DETERMINE IF IT'S A COMMUNITY CAT CALL GOING GET TO THAT? IS THAT SIGNED? YEAH, IT'LL GET, WE'LL GET INTO THAT.

THE NEXT SLIDE.

HOW WOULD YOU ENFORCE IT IF IT'S UNLAWFUL? SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF SO YEAH.

IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT TO ME.

SO THAT IS STILL SOME OF THE PIECES AS YOU, AS YOU'LL SEE AS WE GO THROUGH HERE OKAY.

ON THE ENFORCEMENT OF IT.

UM, SO WE WE'RE, WE'LL, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION ONCE WE GET OKAY.

THROUGH THE, UH, ENTIRE COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM.

BUT I WILL SAY THAT THIS IS JUST, WE'RE TRYING TO GET DIRECTION SO WE DON'T HAVE A, A DETAILED LIST, UH, THAT WOULD COME OUT IN A, IN A TRUE ORDINANCE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OFFENSE AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

JUST TO REITERATE THAT AGAIN.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE A STATEMENT.

UM, THE PHOENIX STRAY CASH WAS PART ONE OF MY RESERVES.

UM, WANTED TO SEE MORE OF AN ACCOUNTABILITY PIECE FOR, ON THE HUMAN SIDE OF THINGS, FOR THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO ATTRACT CATS INTO

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THE COMMUNITY.

SO, UM, I LIKE WHERE THIS IS GOING.

UM, THAT'S AS FAR AS THE SPIRIT OF GETTING SOME DIRECTION.

I WANT TO SEE AN ACCOUNTABILITY PIECE FOR THOSE WHO ARE ATTRACTING CATS AND, AND TO A SPECIFIC AREA, RIGHT? AND SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE PROGRAMS THAT THEY'RE, THAT ARE WITHIN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WE, WE TRY TO ACHIEVE COMPLIANCE WITH EDUCATION, EDUCATE, EDUCATE, EDUCATE.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR INTENT IS TO EDUCATE, BUT ALSO BE ABLE TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE THAT, UH, DON'T RECEIVE THE EDUCATION.

UH, AND SO, WE'LL THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.

APPRECIATE IT, MAYOR.

NO, I'M, I'M LOOKING, I'VE, I'VE LOOKED THROUGH YOUR PAGES, YOUR SLIDES.

THERE'S NO, THERE'S DEFINITION SECTION, THERE'S NO DEFINITION FOR COMMUNITY CAT COLONY.

AND YOU'RE PROVIDING AN EXCEPTION FOR SOMEONE THAT'S INVOLVED IN A COMMUNITY CAT COLONY.

SO WHAT IS THAT? SO THAT WOULD BE THE PART WHERE WE WOULD CREATE THE COLONIES WITH THE CARETAKER IF THE COUNCIL DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT PARTICULAR PROGRAM.

UH, AND SO OBVIOUSLY WE, WE NEED TO TIGHTEN UP THE DEFINITIONS, BUT WE NEED TO GET THAT TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, UH, BASED ON THE DIRECTION THAT COUNSEL, UH, GIVES US.

YOU'LL SEE AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, THERE'LL BE THREE OPTIONS TO GET, UH, COUNSEL DIRECTION AND FEEDBACK ON.

PLEASE LIMIT IT TO THREE.

TOO MANY OPTIONS.

WE'LL GET US NOWHERE.

MAYOR, JUST A COMMENT.

ALRIGHT, SO CONTENDER, PROCEED.

UM, NOT A QUESTION, BUT, UH, I ALSO WANNA REMIND MY COLLEAGUES, UH, WE WENT THROUGH THIS WHOLE EXERCISE THE OTHER DAY ABOUT THE IMPACT OUR POLICIES MAKE ON DOWN THE ROAD IN TERMS OF STAFF TO REGULATE AND IMPLEMENT.

AND SO, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT, UM, AS, UM, MY COUN MY COLLEAGUE MENTIONED ABOUT THE ENFORCEMENT.

SO, UM, WHAT IMPACT WOULD THAT MAKE DOWN THE ROAD AND INTO OUR COURT SYSTEM? I HAVE A COMMENT.

YES MA'AM.

THE IMPACT IS, MS. ELDRIDGE, WHEN SHE CAME UP HERE TO TALK, SAID THAT WHEN A COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM IS IMPLEMENTED IN THE AREA THAT SHE SAW EVERYTHING DECREASED BY 80%, THAT WAS BROUGHT TO US BY SOMEBODY THAT WORKS IN THE FIELD.

UM, AND FOR ME, I THINK LISTENING TO ALL THIS IS, IS VERY EDUCATIONAL.

IT'S, I THINK MY THIRD TIME NOW TO HEAR IT.

UM, AND DR.

ALVAR, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING, BUT FOR ME, WHERE I'M AT IS I'LL TELL ALL MY COLLEAGUES WHAT IS OUR OTHER CHOICE? I MEAN, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING, WE HAVE TO TAKE SOME KIND OF ACTION AT SOME POINT.

AND I KNOW WE HAVE TO WORK, YOU KNOW, BUREAUCRACY, WE GOTTA WORK THROUGH THIS.

BUT WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE? THERE'S NOT AN ALTERNATIVE.

UM, WE EITHER GET PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA COME HELP US AND GET THIS UNDER CONTROL AND, AND WORK OUT THE DEFINITIONS.

THAT'S IMPORTANT.

THAT'S PART OF POLICY MAKING.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I, I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER VIABLE CHOICES LAID IN FRONT OF US THAT ARE HUMANE AND ALSO HELP THE CITIZENS AND THE CATS AND EVERYBODY IN BETWEEN.

SO THAT WAS MY COMMENT.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MA'AM.

UH, SO NOW WE'RE GONNA GET INTO THE NUISANCE CAT DEFINITION HERE.

SO A NUISANCE CAT IS AN OWNED CAT.

SO A, A PERSON'S PERSONAL CAT THAT LIVES OUTSIDE THAT IS NOT SPAYED OR NEUTERED, OR ISN'T MICROCHIPPED.

AND IT'S CAUSING DAMAGE TO PROPERTY, UH, TO TO OF ANYONE OTHER THAN THE OWNER, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO DEFECATING, URINATING, TURNING OVER GARBAGE, UH, VEHICLE DAMAGE GARDENS, FLOWERS, VEGETABLES, UM, DIRECTLY CAUSING A DISTURBANCE OR ANNOYANCE TO OTHER ANIMALS WHILE OFF PROPERTY.

SO THIS IS THE, THE DEFINITION THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH FOR A NUISANCE CAT.

SO THIS WOULD NOT APPLY TO THE PERIL CATS.

IT WOULD YOU SAYS OWNED HAMMER.

SO THAT WOULD ACTUALLY FALL UNDER WHAT'S CALLED A, A STRIKE CAT.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A DEFINITION THAT, UH, OBVIOUSLY WILL BE NEEDED.

AND SO WE HAVE THE NUISANCE CAT DEFINITION OR DEFINITION.

'CAUSE YOU HAVE A STRAY CAT.

FERAL, I GUESS FERAL.

CAT.

CAT A STRAY CAT.

FIND FERAL CAT.

SO DO THEY SELL A CAT DICTIONARY ANYWHERE? I MEAN, THIS, THIS IS JUST SOMETHING ELSE RIGHT, RIGHT.

WAITING.

A STRAY CAT WOULD BE ANY DOMESTIC CAT OWNED, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED.

BUT THIS WOULDN'T APPLY TO THAT.

'CAUSE IT SAYS NUISANCE CATS IS AN OWNED CAT.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THE COMMUNITY.

CATS COMMUNITY CAT WOULD BE, UH, IT'S AN UNOWNED ANIMAL THAT'S DEFINED COUNCIL MEMBER LESTER.

UM, IN A MOMENT YOU'LL SEE WHERE WE ADDRESS NUISANCE.

WAIT, THERE'S MORE CAT.

THERE'S MORE, RIGHT? THERE'S MORE.

WAIT FOR IT.

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WAIT FOR IT.

I THINK WE'LL ADDRESS IT.

JUST MADE THIS WHY I'D LIKE TO HAVE IT ALL TOGETHER TO LOOK AT, OKAY, WE'LL KEEP MOVING.

SO WE NEED THE DEFINITION OF NUISANCE COLONY CAT.

SO NOW WE HAVE A, THE DEFINITION OF A COMMUNITY CAT.

SO ANY DOMESTIC CAT WITH NO INDICATION OF OWNERSHIP THAT LIVES PRIMARILY OUTSIDE AND HAS BEEN EAR TIPPED.

UM, AND SO THAT'S GONNA BE THOSE UNKNOWN CATS.

WE'RE THEY'RE GONNA GET SPAYED NEUTERED IN, IN PART WITH THE, WITH THE COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM.

AND THEY'RE GONNA BE, THEIR LEFT YEAR'S GONNA BE CROPPED.

SO WE CAN EASILY IDENTIFY THEM AS A, AS A, AS A COMMUNITY CAT.

THEN THE DEFINITION OF A COMMUNITY CAT CAREGIVER IS ANY PERSON WHO PROVIDES CARE FEED A SHELTER TO A COMMUNITY CAT WHILE NOT BEING CONSIDERED THE OWNER HARBOR CUSTODIAN, POSSESSION, POSSESSOR OR KEEPER OF THE CO COMMUNITY CAT UNDER THIS ORDINANCE, COMMUNITY CAT CAREGIVERS SHALL NOT BE SUBJECT TO PROVISIONS OF THE ORDINANCE DIRECTED TOWARDS OWNERS AND OWNED ANIMALS UNLESS DEEMED A NUISANCE.

UNLESS DEEMED A NUISANCE.

THAT EAR TIPPING IS BY MEANS OF A, A VETERINARIAN.

UH, DURING THE STERILIZATION OF THE CAT, THE LEFT EAR TIP WILL BE REMOVED, INDICATING THE CAT IS A COMMUNITY CAT AND IS STERILIZED AND VACCINATED.

SO I THINK THIS IS KIND OF WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE PUT IN THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A COMMUNITY CAT UNLESS IT'S, YOU KNOW, DEEMED A NUISANCE.

BUT YOU HAVEN'T DEFINED WHAT A NUISANCE FOR A COMMUNITY CAT IS.

WAIT, THERE'S MORE, THERE'S MORE .

ALSO, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT POTENTIALLY MICROCHIPPING THESE CATS? I KNOW THEY EAR TIP FOR VISUAL ISSUE.

YOU CAN TELL IF IT'S BEEN DONE, BUT MICROCHIPPING IT SO THAT IF IT'S A REPEAT OFFENDER, THERE'S MORE, THERE'S A ANCE ANIMAL, THEN WE CAN TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE ACTION.

'CAUSE A BLACK CAT IS A BLACK CAT IS A BLACK CAT.

THERE THERE'S MORE THERE.

THERE'S MORE.

RIGHT HERE.

IT'S LIKE A CANDY STORE.

THAT'S ON ONE OF THOSE LIST.

SO, UH, THE COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM, UH, COMMUNITY CAT, UH, THAT HAS BEEN IMP IMPOUNDED WHERE IT'S ALREADY BEEN NEAR TIPPED AND SHALL BE RETURNED IMMEDIATELY TO THE LOCATION UNLESS IT'S DEEMED A NUISANCE.

COMMUNITY CAT SHALL NOT BE EXEMPT FROM PREVIOUS PROVISIONS OF STATUTE OR THIS ORDINANCE APPLICABLE TO THE PRO, UH, PROHIBITION OF ON CRUELTY TO ANIMALS.

PROVIDED HOWEVER, THE RETURN OF THE, OF A COMMUNITY CAT TO THIS LOCATION AT WHICH IT HAS FOUND OR HUMANELY TRAPPED SUBSEQUENT TO STERILIZATION, VACCINATION, EAR TIPPING SHALL N NOT BE CONSIDERED ABANDONMENT UNDER ANY STATUTE OR OTHER PROVISION OF THIS ORDINANCE.

BASICALLY SAYING THAT WE CAN RETURN THESE CATS INTO THE COMMUNITY AND THEY'RE NOT BEING ABANDONED.

COMMUNITY CATS BEING UNOWNED AS DEFINED HEREIN SHALL NOT BE SUBJECT TO PROVISIONS OF THIS ORDINANCE APPLICABLE TO OWNED ANIMALS UNLESS DEEMED A NUISANCE.

AND THERE'S MORE, UH, COMMUNITY CATS SHALL BE ELIGIBLE TO BE RETURNED UNLESS DEEMED A NUISANCE TO THE COLONY, UH, WHICH THEY WERE, WERE FOUND PRIOR TO ANY STRAY HOLD PROVISIONS IMPOSED BY THE STATUTE OR OTHER PROVISIONS OF THIS ORDINANCE.

SO AS LONG AS THE COMMUNITY CAT IS STERILIZED EAR TIPPED AND VACCINATED FOR RABIES PRIOR TO RETURN TO THAT COLONY.

NOW HERE'S WHERE WE, WE TRY TO, TO HELP, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS SITUATION WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE MICROCHIPPING.

SO THE FIRST TIME A COMMUNITY CAT IS DEEMED A NUISANCE, THE COMMUNITY CAT WILL BE MICROCHIPPED AND RETURNED TO THE COMMUNITY, TO THE COLONY.

THE SECOND TIME THIS COMMUNITY CAT IS DEEMED A NUISANCE.

THE COMMUNITY CAT WILL BE MOVED TO A DIFFERENT COLONY.

AND THEN THE THIRD TIME THAT THIS, UH, BUT BY THEN WE'LL KNOW BECAUSE HE'S BEEN MICROCHIPPED THAT THIS IS THE SAME CAT.

UM, THE THIRD TIME.

UH, WE'LL, WE'RE, THAT IS DEEMED A NUISANCE.

THE THE DECISION WILL BE MADE BY THE ANIMAL CONTROL ONTO WHETHER WE RELOCATED A SECOND TIME OR HUMANE EUTHANASIA AT THAT POINT THERE.

WHY DON'T WE MICROCHIP THEM WHEN WE HAVE THEM FOR AND NEUTER? I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A MINIMAL ADDITIONAL COST.

ALWAYS ASK PERMISSION.

SO WE'RE GIVEN THE CAP FOUR STRIKES, THREE STRIKES, UH, YOU GOTTA CATCH IT FIRST TIME.

THEY COULD MAKE IT A COMMUNITY CAT.

SO THAT'S ONE.

UM, AND THEN THREE MORE STRIKES AFTER THAT.

I CAN TELL YOU MY EXPERIENCE AND AS WAS POINTED OUT EARLIER, YOU MIGHT CATCH A CAT ONCE, MAYBE TWICE.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA CATCH IT THIRD AND FOURTH TIME.

THEY GET VERY TRAP WISE VERY QUICKLY.

UM, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE NOT HUNGRY.

UH, AND HOPEFULLY THESE ANIMALS WON'T BE HUNGRY.

SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA CATCH 'EM THAT SECOND AND THIRD TIME.

AND AGAIN, I GO BACK TO WHY NOT,

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AND THAT WAY THEY'RE IDENTIFIABLE.

AND, AND SOME OF THIS, AS FAR AS WHEN THEY'RE CAUGHT, IF THEY'RE A NUISANCE, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO LIMIT EUTHANASIA.

IF WE CATCH A, A CAT AND WE FIND OUT, OKAY, IT'S A FERAL CAT THAT'S A PART OF A COLONY, BUT IT'S CAUSING A NUISANCE IF IT'S MICROCHIP BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ORGANIZATION THAT HAD IT SPAYED AND NEUTERED, WE CAN PROVIDE AN OPTION THAT THEY COME GET IT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO EUTHANIZE IT AND, AND THEY CAN TAKE IT AND MOVE IT OUT OF TOWN OR, OR TO ANOTHER COLONY.

BUT, BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST ANOTHER STEP THAT WHY ARE WE WAITING THREE OR FOUR TIMES? WE WOULDN'T WAIT THREE OR FOUR TIMES IF A DOG WAS A NUISANCE OR AN OWNED CAT DOESN'T GET THREE OR FOUR STRIKES AS MY COLLEAGUE PUT OUT, OWNERS ARE GONNA GET TICKETS.

SO WHY ARE WE PROVIDING THAT TYPE OF OPTION PER THE, THE COLONY CATS? MICROSOFT, RIGHT OFF THE BAT, IF WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH A CAT, YOU KNOW, WE CUT IT OVER HERE, YOU MOVED IT, WE CUT IT HERE, Y'ALL NEED TO GET IT OUT TOWN.

AND, AND THAT'S AN OPTION.

SO THAT ANIMAL CONTROL DOESN'T HAVE TO EUTHANIZE IT.

YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST TRYING.

BUT YEAH, WE KEEP GOING BACK TO IF IT'S DEEMED A NUISANCE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT A NUISANCE COLONY CAT NUISANCE A NUISANCE COLONY CAT IS YET.

SO YOU WANT TALK ON THAT, BUT COLONY CAT BEING A NUISANCE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

THE, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T CATCH THAT LAST QUESTION.

UM, I WAS, THERE WASN'T A QUESTION.

IT REALLY IS.

IT WAS A STATEMENT THAT WE, WE HAVEN'T DEFINED WHAT A NUISANCE COLONY CAT IS YET.

YOU DEFINE NUISANCE CAT AS AN OWNED ANIMAL COLONY.

CATS ARE NOT OWNED.

SO WHAT'S A NUISANCE COLONY CAT? AND I THINK THE OTHER THING HE, THAT I HEARD YOU PROPOSE WAS WHEN YOU CAPTURE INITIAL CAPTURE FOR CAPTURE, INITIAL CAPTURE, WHEN THEY SPAY NEUTERED YOUR MICROCHIP AT THAT POINT, AND I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

OR THEY COULD BE OWNED IF WE CHANGE THAT COMMUNITY.

CA CARETAKERS CAN BE OWNERS, RIGHT? CORRECT.

AND THESE ARE ALL GOOD POLICY PIECES AT THIS POINT.

WE WOULD APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION AND SOME KIND OF GUIDANCE ON, I THINK THE OWNERSHIP ISSUE IS, IS A MUCH LARGER HURDLE FOR A COMMUNITY CAT CALLING ISSUE.

I'M, I'M NOT NECESSARILY, IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M OPPOSED TO THIS.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS THE NUISANCE ISSUES.

IF, IF A CAT'S RUNNING LOOSE AND NOBODY CARES, WHO CARES? BUT I GET THE CALLS OF THESE CATS ARE CAUSING ME PROBLEMS. THESE NUISANCE ANIMALS, NUISANCE, NUISANCE, NUISANCE.

AND THAT'S WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE OF.

WE'VE GOT SOME PET OWNER RESPONSIBILITY ON THE FRONT END.

WE HAVE SOME ABILITY TO DEAL WITH NUISANCE ANIMALS, WHETHER IT'S A WILD ANIMAL, A DOG OR A CAT OR A COLONY CAT.

BUT WE'LL BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THE NUISANCE.

AND THEN IF WE CAN REDUCE EUTHANASIA ON THE END BY DOING SOME OF THESE THINGS, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT IT'S THE NUISANCE ISSUES THAT I GET THE PHONE CALLS ON.

I VERY SELDOM, UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING LIKE TONIGHT, I VERY SELDOM AM CONTACTED ABOUT ANYTHING ABOUT A COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM.

I GET THE CALLS OF THESE CATS ARE DRIVING ME CRAZY, WHAT DO I DO? CONTACT ANIMAL CONTROL, GET A TRAP, TRAP IT, AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL TAKE IT.

WELL THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE ANYMORE, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DEAL WITH.

THAT'S WE KEEP HARPING ON, I WANNA SEE WHAT THE DEFINITION OF NUISANCE IS AND IS IT TIGHT ENOUGH? IS IT TOO TIGHT? BUT WE'VE GOTTA DEAL WITH THAT.

SO ANYWAY, I'M SORRY MR. LESTER, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO, IF YOU GO BACK TO NUISANCES CAT, IT'S NUEN CAT IS A CAT THAT LIVES OUTSIDE AND IS NOT STERILIZED ON MICROCHIPS.

JUST SAY ANY CAT.

ANY CAT THAT WHETHER, ANY CAT THAT LIVES OUTSIDE AND IS NOT STERILIZING MICROCHIP CAUSES DAMAGE TO PROPERTY DIRECTLY CREATES A NUISANCE ORDER AND MAKE THAT APPLY TO ALL CATS.

WHY DON'T OWN CATS HAVE TO BE MORE HEAVILY, I WOULD PUT A I AFTER THAT COMM ON THAT FIRST BEFORE I'LL PUT, AND, AND I LIKE A MICROCHIP I DID TOO ON THE FIRST TIME.

AGAIN, IF WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE LIVES, IF WE BRING IT IN AND IT'S MINE SHIPPED AND IT'S FROM ONE OF THE ORGANIZATIONS, WE CAN SAY, YEAH, WE GOT THIS NEW CAT IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS DRIVING IT CRA OR IT'S DRIVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD CRAZY.

IT'S A NUISANCE.

WE GOT IT IN, IN A TRAP.

Y'ALL COME GET IT.

CAN YOU TAKE IT UP TO ONE OF THE CITIES THAT ARE NORTHEAST OF US AND DROP IT OFF? THEY WON'T BE A PROBLEM UP THERE.

NO.

WE TAKE THEM ALL TO THE NATURE CENTER .

SO THEY'RE NOT, BUT, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE WE GOTTA GO WITH SOME OF THIS STUFF.

SO ANYWAY, WE'LL KEEP GOING.

I ALSO SAW CONSENSUS ON THE MICROCHIP THE FIRST TIME THAT THEY WERE CAUGHT.

I MEAN, THEY'RE GENERAL, A GENERAL, I'M NOT SURE OF EVERYONE, BUT OKAY.

AMERICAN.

OF THE COLONIES NOT BEING HELD TO THE SAME STANDARDS AS EVERYONE ELSE.

SO, UM, TO MS. ALVARADO'S POINT, WHEN SHE WAS ASKING ABOUT, UM, DEFINING OWNERS AND, AND MAYBE THESE, UM, CARETAKERS

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UM, I WISH THAT Y'ALL COULD SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THAT BECAUSE IN, IN MY EXPERIENCE, I GOT TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE PEOPLE WITH BEST FRIENDS.

I THINK IT WAS THE LAST TIME THEY WERE.

AND, UM, I THINK THAT IF WE, IF WE DON'T USE THAT LANGUAGE, IF COULD CAUSE THE, THE PROGRAM OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO COME IN AND HELP US, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO WE, WE MAY NEED TO CLEAN UP THE LANGUAGE AS FAR AS CARETAKER, OWNER AND THAT SORT OF THING.

AND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHICH DIRECTION TO GO WITH THAT, BUT I DO KNOW THAT IT, IT CAME UP LAST TIME THAT THE REASON WE NEEDED TO, UM, MAKE SURE AND SAY A CARETAKER INSTEAD OF THE OWNER IS BECAUSE, UM, THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN AND HELPING US, THEY, THEY CAN'T BE DEEMED THE OWNER BECAUSE THEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HELP.

SO, WELL, I I, I THINK WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT ARE THOSE THAT ARE TAKING CARE OF A COLONY.

SO WOULDN'T THEY, WOULDN'T THEY BE CONSIDERED A, A CAT OWNER? SO IF I, IF MY NEIGHBOR IS CONSIDERED A CARETAKER OF A COMMUNITY CAT COLONY, WOULDN'T SHE BE CONSIDERED? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BEST FRIENDS ORGANIZATION ITSELF.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY.

GUESS OWNERS A PERSONAL COLONY.

SOMEONE WHO HAS A COLONY.

SO WHERE, WHERE I DIFFERENTIATED THAT IN MY MIND, AND I, AND I ASKED THIS LAST TIME, 'CAUSE Y'ALL BROUGHT THE NUMBER UP, 72, I ALWAYS REMEMBER THE NUMBER.

YOU SAID THERE'S 72 PLUS COLONIES AROUND BAYTOWN, AND I WANTED TO KNOW WHERE THE 72 PLUS COLONIES WERE.

SO I HAD ASKED LIKE, WHO GETS TO NAME THOSE COLONIES? BECAUSE FOR ME, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE LANGUAGE OF CARETAKER AS LONG AS WE DON'T KEEP EXPANDING THE COLONIES AND NEXT YEAR WE HAVE A HUNDRED COLONIES, 105 COLONIES, BECAUSE THEN WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEM.

SO IF 72 IS OUR LIMIT, AND I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA HOW THAT WOULD WORK IN OUR ORDINANCE, BUT IF 72 IS OUR LIMIT AND THE WHOLE POINT OF ALL OF THIS IS TO, UM, DECREASE THE NUMBER OF CATS, DECREASE THE NUMBER OF COLONIES, THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF BASELINE.

SO MY ISSUE IS NOT WITH THE CARETAKER AS LONG AS THE CARETAKER LANGUAGE, AS LONG AS WE FIGURE OUT A WAY TO WRITE IT, WHERE YOUR NEIGHBOR OR WHOEVER CAN'T JUST GO, OH NO, I'M SORRY, I'M JUST A CARETAKER OF THIS COLONY.

BUT REALLY THEY, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST PERSONAL PETS.

SO THAT, THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT UP THEY NEED TO DEFINE WHAT A COMMUNITY CAT COLONY IS.

I MEAN, MAYBE WE'RE GOING ABOUT THIS ALL WRONG.

MAYBE WE NEED TO DEFINE FIRST, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE COLONIES LOCATED.

WHERE DO WE ALLOW THE COLONIES? I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA GO OFF ON A TANGENT, BUT I, AT THIS POINT IT SEEMS LIKE THE, MAYBE WE'RE ARGUING THE WRONG POINTS.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA DEFINE WHERE THEY CAN BE BECAUSE WE HAD THAT SAME ISSUE A WHOLE, A HOMELESS ORGANIZATION.

YOU KNOW, UM, DOES ONE NEIGHBORHOOD WANT IT OVER THE OTHER? SO I, I DON'T THINK THAT, UM, WE WANTED TO FIND WHERE IT'S AT, BUT I AGREE IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF COLONIES, UM, WHATEVER THAT MAGIC NUMBER IS.

BUT THEN DO WE GO FURTHER AND SAY HOW MANY CATS THAT COLONY CAN HAVE? BECAUSE IF WE ARE SAYING 72 IS THAT MAGIC NUMBER, THEN THESE COLONIES COULD ACTUALLY GROW.

YEAH, NO, I SAID IF, IF I KNEW I BROUGHT THAT UP LAST TIME, I SAID IF I KNEW WHERE THE COLONY CAT COLONIES WERE AND A CAT, IF I WOULDN'T HELP MR. BEARD CATCH HIS CATS, I'D GO TAKE HIM TO ONE OF THEM CAT COLONIES.

I'M NOT GONNA TAKE HIM BACK TO HIS HOUSE.

AND SO I, I BROUGHT THAT UP.

LIKE I, I, I FEEL LIKE WE WANT TO FIX THIS, BUT IT'S BECOME TOO COMPLICATED.

WE'RE ASKING TOO MANY QUESTIONS.

WE NEED TO NARROW IT DOWN.

I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY DEFINE ON, I I AGREE.

YOUR PART'S DONE.

THERE'S SOME DEFINITIONS AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE STOP.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY POLICY EXPERIENCE TO TRY TO SAY 72 CALC COLONIES OR ANYTHING.

LIKE THAT'S, WE'RE NOT GONNA MANAGE THAT.

WELL NO, I KNOW.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT'S SO I KNOW.

AND SO LET'S GET BACK TO I GUESS MORE OF THE NUTS AND BOLTS.

YES SIR.

AND I GUESS POLICY STRUCTURE.

SO YOU HAVE HEARD AT LEAST, UM, THE, UH, MICROCHIP AND WHEN WE DO SPAY AND NEUTER AND I, THE DEFINITION NUISANCE CAT, AND THEN I SAW A FEW THINGS, UH, A FEW HEADS NOD ON.

CAREGIVER HAS TO COME PICK IT UP IF IT'S PICKED UP THAT WAY, IF THE COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM IS IMPLEMENTED, THE COMMUNITY CAT CARETAKER HAS SKIN IN THE GAME AND JUST LIKE A, A PET OWNER WOULD IF THEIR CAT IS GETS OUT, THEY HAVE TO COME PICK IT UP FROM THE SHELTER AND IT'S NOT USING, UH, STAFF RESOURCES TO GO PUT IT BACK AT THE CAT COLONY.

I, I SAW SOME HEADS GO WITH THAT.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD WANT TO BE CONSIDERED, THAT THE COMMUNITY, THE CAT COLONY CARETAKER WOULD'VE TO COME PICK UP THE CAT? IF IT'S, IF IT IS TRAPPED, THAT MIGHT FIX THE PROBLEM.

AND WE END UP WITH A MICROCHIP COLONY CAT RESPONSIBILITY NO, THEY DID TOO.

BECAUSE IF YOU DEEM YOURSELF A CARETAKER OF A CAT COLONY

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IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.

THEY CAN GO RETURN IT BACK TO THE COLONY.

MAYOR, UM, ARE WE RETURNING IT TO THE COLONY OR TO WHERE IT WAS FOUND? BECAUSE I KNOW FURTHER ON IT SAYS RETURNING IT, RETURNING THE CAT AFTER RECOVERY.

SO I I I THINK IF IT FOLLOWS THIS PROCESS HERE THAT THEY DESCRIBED, RIGHT, YOU'LL GO BACK TO THE COLONY.

IF IT'S A LITTLE PROBLEM, THEN GO TO A DIFFERENT COLONY.

IF IT'S A LITTLE PROBLEM, IT'S GONNA GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

WELL, AND AND THAT GOES BACK TO IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A NUISANCE, SOMEBODY TRAPPED IT.

BECAUSE HUMAN NATURE IS, NOBODY'S GONNA DEAL WITH EITHER GOING AND BITE A TRAP OR GETTING A TRAP FROM ANIMAL CONTROL.

AND UNLESS THEY'VE JUST HAD IT HUMAN NATURE, WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH LAZY INDIVIDUALS.

AND, AND SO IF SOMEBODY'S BEING NUISANCE BY A CAT AND THEY GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND TRAP THAT CAT AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TELL 'EM, OH YEAH, IT'S GONNA GO, WE'RE GONNA CALL THE CARETAKER.

'CAUSE THIS MICROCHIP, WE KNOW WHO IT BELONGS TO, NOT AS AN OWNER, BUT AS A CAREGIVER.

AND THEY'RE GONNA TURN IT RIGHT BACK LOOSE IN YOUR FRONT YARD.

CHIEF'S GONNA GET REAL BUSY.

I CAN ASSURE YOU OF THAT.

UH, THOSE ARE THE PHONE CALLS I GET.

SO, SO AGAIN, WE WOULDN'T DO THAT WITH AN OWN TO CAT.

YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY'S GOTTA BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

SO THE OPTION IS WHAT DO YOU DO WITH, WITH BASICALLY A FERAL CAT THAT'S PART OF A COLONY.

THAT'S MICROCHIP.

YOU GIVE THE CARETAKER A CHANCE.

SOMEBODY IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD TRAPPED IT THAT'S CAUSING A PROBLEM, DID DAMAGE OR WHATEVER YOU NEED TO COME GET THIS CAT AND GET IT OUT OF TOWN.

'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA SEE IT AGAIN.

SEE IT AGAIN.

THERE'S, THERE'S A MUCH HARSHER ALTERNATIVE THAT GIVES AN OPTION.

BUT IT ALSO, AGAIN, MY SIDE, IT ELIMINATES OR REDUCES THE NUISANCE.

THERE MAY BE 50 COMMUNITY CATS OUT THERE AND NONE OF 'EM CAUSE A PROBLEM.

AND THEY GET ONE, LET'S GET RID OF THE ONE, MOVE IT OUT OF TOWN, LEAVE THE OTHER 49 ALONE.

THEY'RE NOT CAUSING ANYBODY PROBLEMS. OKAY.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT.

NO, THAT'S FINE.

ARE YOU DONE? THAT'S OKAY.

UH, MAYOR.

MAYOR, YES.

UM, I THINK ULTIMATELY THE CALLS THAT I GET IN THE COMMENTS THAT ARE MADE IS THAT WE'RE TRAPPING THE CATS, WE'RE DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO, BUT THEN THEY'RE GOING RIGHT BACK TO THE SAME LOCATION.

SO ARE WE PROPOSING THAT THESE CATS ARE RETURNED TO A COLONY VERSUS THE LOCATION WHERE THEY'RE TRAPPED AND IS THERE A DIFFERENT DIFFERENCE OR BENEFIT IT TO THAT? UM, WHY WOULD WE RETURN IT BACK TO THE SAME LOCATION WHERE THEY WERE CAUGHT AND DEEMED AS A NUISANCE BY THAT RESIDENCE? RIGHT.

SO YEAH, THAT'S, WE'VE GOT SOME LANGUAGE.

UH, TONY, I CAN, TONY I CAN ANSWER THAT, THAT I THINK THAT MS. MRS. ALVARADO, I THINK WE OR MS. ALVARADO, I THINK WE JUST, UH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.

SO IF IT'S THE CARETAKER OR IF A, IF A COMMUNITY CAT HAS PICKED UP, WE CALL THE CARETAKER OF THE CAT COLONY TO PICK IT UP AND RETURN IT TO THE CAT COLONY.

THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING FOR CLARITY.

AND THAT WAY IT'S NOT GOING BACK TO THE HOME WHERE IT WAS, WHERE IT WAS, UH, BEING A NUISANCE TO THE HOMEOWNER.

EVEN A CAT THAT WAS NOT PART OF A COLONY.

UH, I THINK THAT'S NOT A DIFFERENT QUESTION.

YEAH, THAT'S A I THINK IT'S A DIFFERENT, THAT'D BE A DIFFERENT CAT SITUATION, RIGHT? YEAH.

THAT'S A DIFFERENT SI THINK THAT QUESTION IS HOW DOES IT GET INTO A COLONY TO BEGIN WITH? NO.

THAT GROUP, EXCUSE THE CATS OUT OF THE SHELTER.

I GUESS FROM, FROM KIND OF LIKE KEY, KEY, UM, POINTS THAT ARE NEEDED TO DEVELOP AN ORDINANCE TO CONSIDER AT A FUTURE DATE.

WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED FROM A DECISION POINT? I DON'T, I THINK DEFINIT I THINK DEFINITIONS ARE, ARE IMPORTANT AND, AND KIND OF THE GENERAL PROCESS.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA FIGURE IT ALL OUT AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

WE HAVE THREE MORE SLIDES IF YOU DON'T MIND.

WE CAN RUN THROUGH THEM REAL QUICK.

IS DEEMED THE COORDINATOR BY BEST FRIENDS WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TRAPPING, DELIVERING OF CATS FOR SERVICE AND THEN THE RETURNING THE CATS AFTER RECOVERED.

'CAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF OTHER ITEMS TO ADDRESS THIS EVENING, BUT, SO YES.

UH, YES SIR.

I'M GONNA, UH, FAST FORWARD.

THE, THE SLIDE HERE IS JUST, UH, A REVIEW OF THE CREATION PROCESS AND THE PROPOSED SIX MONTH PARTNERSHIP WITH BEST FRIENDS.

YOU SAW THAT, UH, YOU SAW THIS SLIDE LAST, UH, JULY AT THE WORK SESSION.

NO, THEY, THEY PROVIDE THE COST OF THE VET AND THE SUPPLIES AND THEY PROVIDE THE TRAINING AND WE IN TURN ALLOW THE USE OF OUR SURGICAL SUITE FOR THE SERVICING.

AND WE, WE WILL USE OUR BUDGETED VOLUNTEER SUPERVISOR TO BE THE LIAISON WITH THE, UH, BEST FRIENDS DESIGNATED, UH, COMMUNIC CAT COORDINATOR.

SO AFTER THAT SIX MONTHS FROM BEST FRIENDS, THIS IS ANOTHER REVIEW FROM THE PREVIOUS, UH, SESSION BACK IN JULY, UM, IS PROPOSED THE CITY WOULD TAKE OVER IT IF COUNCIL SO DESIRES, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL CONTINUE TO USE THAT BUDGETED VOLUNTEER TO CONTINUE TO ACT AS A LIAISON.

UH, AND THEN THE, THAT DESIGNATED COMMUNITY CAT COORDINATOR OR THE PERSON THAT

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SO HERE'S THE SECOND TO LAST SLIDE.

LOST THE SUPPORT.

WELL, THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A ESTIMATED COST.

SO THAT'S, THAT WAS, WE HEARD THAT.

AND THE FEEDBACK, UH, FROM THE, THE JULY WORK SESSION.

SO TO LOOK AT THE COST, WE, WE'VE ESTIMATED AN AVERAGE, UH, USING, UH, WHEN WE TAKE IT OVER, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF, UH, BASICALLY SERVICING 20 CATS A WEEK ON AVERAGE.

UM, THE, THE FUNDING AND THE ESTIMATE THERE.

SO THE ESTIMATE FOR A VET IS $25, AND THE ESTIMATE FOR THE SUPPLIES USED TO, TO DO THE, THE VACCINATIONS AND BASICALLY THE THEN TAKE CARE OF THE SERVICING AND ALL OF THAT AMOUNTS TO $50 A CAT.

AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THIS IS A SIX MONTH LOOK OR A SIX MONTH ESTIMATE.

UM, SO BASICALLY IT'S $25,000 IF YOU, IF WE ESTIMATE WE DO 20 CATS A WEEK.

UM, THAT'S ROUGHLY, UH, A THOUSAND DOLLARS A WEEK.

AND THAT'S, THE ESTIMATED FUNDING IS BROKEN DOWN THERE.

YOU COULD SEE OUT OF THAT 25, WE USED 12 AND A HALF FOR THE CURRENT VET FUNDING AND 12 AND A HALF FOR THE NEW FUNDING FOR THE SUPPLIES.

AND, UH, YEAH, WE, WE WOULD HOPE THEY HAVE THE CONTINUED VOLUNTEER SUPPORT COULD OFFSET SOME OF THE COST.

MAYOR, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? ONE SEC.

LEMME LET, LET 'EM FINISH OUR SLIDES AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK.

YOU.

ANY, ANY ADDITIONAL SLIDES OR COMMENTS FROM STAFF? UH, THIS, THIS LAST SLIDE, UH, BASICALLY WE'VE, WE'VE GOT THE DIRECTION ON THE FIRST TWO BULLET POINTS YOU SEE THERE.

UM, BUT REALLY THE ONLY DECISION, UH, FROM COUNCIL OR DIRECTION TONIGHT IS TO APPROVE THE MOD, APPROVE, MODIFY, REJECT THE COMMUNITY CAP PROGRAM, ESTIMATED FUNDING.

UH, SO THAT'S THE, WHAT WE HOPE TO GET DIRECTION ON.

UH, BEFORE WE GO, UH, ANY FURTHER, LET ME ASK THIS.

DID YOU, DID, WAS THERE ANY, UM, BUDGETING FOR THIS, FOR THE FUNDING THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR IN THIS BUDGET? FOR THIS NOT SPECIFICALLY DEDICATED TO IT, CORRECT.

TO MR. GRAY'S POINT? NOT SPECIFICALLY.

THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE BUDGET.

IT'S GONNA BE FUNDED OUT OF SAVINGS IF COUNSEL WISHES TO MOVE FORWARD.

THAT'S WHAT MY QUESTION WAS.

IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL REGARDING KIND OF THESE, THESE, I'M GONNA CALL 'EM ELEMENTS, UH, TO, TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTIONS SO THEY CAN DEVELOP AN ORDINANCE FOR US TO CONSIDER? Y'ALL HAVE THE DATE HERE ON SEPTEMBER 28TH.

LET'S TRY TO STICK TO THAT IF WE CAN.

UM, AND I WOULD, I WOULD SAY AS YOU DEVELOP A DRAFT, PLEASE, AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE PROVIDE THAT TO COUNSEL IN HOW, IN WHATEVER MEANS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE CAN, BY THE TIME THE 28TH COMES AROUND, WE WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER YES.

MA IN, IN COMPLETION.

IS THAT FAIR, MA'AM? MY QUESTION WAS ACTUALLY ABOUT THE BUDGET.

THE LAST SLIDE.

UM, THE, THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE FOR A VET THAT WE HAVEN'T EVER HIRED IS, IS THE MONEY THAT IT COSTS FOR THIS, DOES THAT COME OUT OF THE CONTRACTING OF THE VET ALREADY? SO IN OTHER WORDS, SOME OF THIS MONEY THAT THE, THAT THE VET IS ALREADY COSTING THE CITY OF BAYTOWN, IS IT ENCAPSULATED INSIDE THAT COST? IT, IT CAN BE IF, I MEAN, IT'S THE, THE FUNDING IS THERE FOR THE VET.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, IS THAT VET THERE ANYWAYS OFFERING SERVICES AND WE'RE PAYING THEM ALREADY? NO, MA'AM.

OR IS THIS GONNA BE EXTRA? EXTRA? TECHNICALLY IT'S EXTRA, BUT IT'S TECHNICALLY IT'S EXTRA.

BUT IT'S COMING FROM THE SALARY SAVINGS BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE THAT.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.

'CAUSE WE'VE NEVER HIRED A THAT, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND WHAT IS THE SALARY THAT WE HAVE? WHAT IS THE AMOUNT WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR THAT SALARY? I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

IT, IT WAS GONNA BE A CONTRACTED ANY ANYWAY, IN A SENSE.

RIGHT? IT WOULD'VE IT BEEN, IT WOULD'VE BEEN A CONTRACTED VET, LIKE KIND OF A, A FEE, LIKE A PER DAY FEE, RIGHT? OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT? IF, IF, YEAH, UH, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY IS THI THIS PARTICULAR AMOUNT WOULD ACTUALLY BE A SAVINGS UNTIL WE HIRE A FULL-TIME VET, WHICH WE'VE HAD TROUBLE GETTING.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO PUT THAT ALL TOGETHER THAT THIS PROGRAM WOULDN'T ACTUALLY COST ANYTHING EXTRA BECAUSE THAT MONEY'S ALREADY BUDGETED.

WELL, YOU'RE SPENDING MONEY THAT'S BUDGETED FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

SO THERE'S ALWAYS A COST.

THEY'RE, THEY'VE INCREASED THEIR REQUEST AND THEIR MEDICAL SUPPLIES IN ANIMAL CONTROL THIS YEAR.

$44,000 INCREASE.

THEY'RE GOING FROM 75,000 TO 120,000 AND THEY NEED, THEY WANT ANOTHER 12 FIVE OR THEY COULD PROBABLY ABSORB IT $44,000 INCREASE.

AND AGAIN, I ASKED FOR A BREAKDOWN ON THAT AND, AND, AND, AND I'M GONNA GET IT.

BUT, BUT THE PERSONNEL,

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THAT'S SIGNIFICANT.

I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, I KNOW, BUT A PATROL OFFICER FOR HALF A YEAR, I WOULD SAY.

BUT IN FAIRNESS, COUNCILMAN, IS THAT, UH, WHEN, WHEN THIS FACILITY WAS, WAS DESIGNED AND CONSTRUCTED, IT WAS IN IT, IT WAS, WHAT WAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IS WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO MORE IN-HOUSE.

THAT'S CORRECT.

CONTRACTED OR NOT.

SO SUPPLIES WILL GO UP, FEES FOR PERSONNEL WILL GO UP, CONTRACTED OR NOT.

SO, UM, YES, THERE, THERE'S AN INCREASE IN A BUDGETARY LINE ITEM, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THERE WAS, UH, UH, BASICALLY MORE SERVICES THAT WERE GONNA BE PROVIDED.

THAT'S, AND THAT WAS BY THE DESIGN OF THE FACILITY.

THAT'S, WE, WE HAVE A SURGICAL SUITE OR WHATEVER WE CONSIDER IT.

SO THAT WAS IN THAT, THAT WAS PART OF THE PROCESS SPAN NTER OF ADOPTABLE ANIMALS.

SO MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, SO I HAD RESERVED MY PREVIOUS BUDGET QUESTION TILL WE GOT TO THIS SLIDE.

UM, SO IN THE PAST WHEN THIS, UM, PROGRAM FIRST CAME TO US, UM, THE ORGANIZATION WAS GOING TO WORK THE PROGRAM OUT OF THEIR OWN FUNDS FOR THE FIRST SIX MONTHS.

AND THEN WE WOULD COME IN, UM, AND TAKE OVER THE PROGRAM.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE COST WOULD BE FOR US.

AND SO IS THE NEW PROPOSAL NOW THAT WE START PAYING FOR IT RIGHT OFF? OR ARE THEY STILL TAKING THE SIX MONTHS TO DO IT ON THEIR OWN AND THEN WE GO IN AND TAKE OVER THE PROGRAM? WELL, WELL, NOTHING HAS BEEN DECIDED AS FAR AS, UH, THE PARTNERSHIP.

SO NOTHING'S GONNA HAPPEN UNTIL THE COUNCIL, UH, I GUESS DECIDES IF, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU GUYS WANT TO GO.

MS. ALVARADO, YES.

THE OFFER ON THE TABLE FROM THEM IS THE FIRST SIX MONTHS THEY WILL PAY FOR.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

THAT IS THE OFFER ON THE TABLE IF WE DECIDE TO PARTNER WITH THEM.

I APPRECIATE IT.

GOING FORWARD IN THE 25 BUDGET, IT WOULD BE ROUGHLY $50,000 AT THAT POINT.

BECAUSE YOU'RE, WE'RE ASSUMING THE FULL YEAR YES.

OF THE COST MOVING FORWARD.

NOW, WILL WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, SO IF THEY'RE DOING IT THE FIRST SIX MONTHS, UM, WILL WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW BENCHMARKS, DATA, SUCCESSES OF THE PROGRAM, UM, BEFORE WE COME IN AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS WORKING GREAT.

WE WANT TO CONTINUE IT.

THEY'VE, YOU KNOW, DECREASED OUR POPULATION BY THIS AMOUNT, WHATEVER IT IS.

WILL WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY, UM, BEFORE WE TAKE OVER AND, AND START FUNDING IT OURSELVES? I I WILL TELL YOU THE, THE ANSWER, THE DIRECT ANSWER IS YES, WE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.

THE REALISTIC ANSWER, UM, IS THAT IT'S SIX MONTHS.

IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE FUMBLED FOR TWO MONTHS WITH A, A NEW ENTITY TRYING TO PUT A PROGRAM IN PLACE, MAYBE THREE.

UM, AND SO YOU'LL HAVE THE GROWING PAINS FOR THE FIRST, FIRST HALF OF THAT SIX MONTHS.

UH, THE LAST THREE MONTHS WILL PROBABLY BE RIDING SMOOTH AS IT WOULD GO.

UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE A QUICK TURNOVER AT THAT POINT.

SO I, I WOULD CAUTION THAT ANY KIND OF TROOP BENCHMARKING OFF A VERY SHORT PILOT WOULD BE, UM, PREMATURE.

YEAH, IT WOULD BE.

I MEAN, IT'S, YEAH, NO, I WOULD AGREE.

I UNDERSTAND.

BUT I MEAN, THIS IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT DOES THIS.

SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE, I KNOW THERE THAT WE WOULD BE A NEW COMMUNITY, RIGHT? UM, THEY'D HAVE TO LEARN OUR, OUR, OUR WAYS, OUR ORDINANCES AND EVERYTHING.

BUT IF THEY'VE DONE THIS BEFORE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE SOMETHING AFTER THE FIRST SIX MONTHS, EVEN IF IT'S JUST, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE DID WITHIN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS.

AND FOR NOT NECESSARILY TIE IT INTO, OKAY, YOU DIDN'T MEET OUR EXPECTATIONS.

SO THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.

I JUST WANNA BE ABLE TO SEE THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE WITHIN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS.

UM, THAT DRIVING PROGRAM, ET CETERA.

UM, TO SEE IF IT'S, IT'S WORKING, UM, AND UH, MAYBE SOME SORT OF LIKE, HERE'S WHAT WE STILL NEED, UM, TO CONTINUE MAKING, UM, THIS, UH, PROGRAM A SUCCESS.

UM, I, AND I AGREE, I DID NOT SEE IT INTO THE CURRENT BUDGET, WHICH IS WHY I WAS WONDERING WHERE THIS WAS GOING TO COME FROM, BUT THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED.

UM, ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD, UM, AS WE LOOK AT ANY FEES THAT ARE ASSESSED FOR VIOLATORS OF, YOU KNOW, HAVING NUISANCE CATS, ET CETERA, COULD WE ENTERTAIN SOME SORT OF, BECAUSE I KNOW I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR SOME SORT OF COMMUNITY TRAINING PROGRAMS, SOMETHING, UM, TO HELP EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ON RESPONSIBLE PET OWNERSHIP.

SO IF THEY'VE MET THESE STRIKE ONE, STRIKE TWO, STRIKE THREES, ET CETERA, COULD WE NOT FORCE THEM INTO AN EDUCATIONAL, WE DO THAT WITH TICKET VIOLATORS.

THEY HAVE TO GO AND GET,

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UM, COULD WE NOT ENTERTAIN SOMETHING WHERE IF YOU'RE A, A HABITUAL, UM, UM, VIOLATOR IN SOME SORT OF A, A PET NUISANCE OR WHATEVER, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS TRAINING PROCESS AT THE ANIMAL SHELTER? UM, I DON'T NEED THAT ANSWERED RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONTEMPLATE USING IT BECAUSE, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE USING OUR BRAND NEW FACILITY YET FOR EDUCATING THE PUBLIC.

AND WE MENTIONED THAT EVEN DURING THE DESIGN PHASE OF THE FACILITY, THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED IT FOR.

SO, UM, JUST THE THOUGHT ON MY END, UM, AND I KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA BE A LITTLE CONTROVERSIAL, BUT WHEN I RESEARCHED THE CAMP PROGRAM, I RESEARCHED EVERYTHING.

AND I WOULD THINK THAT AN ORGANIZATION THAT HELPS PROTECT THESE CATS AND ENSURE THAT THEY'RE BEING TREATED HUMANELY, ET CETERA, THAT THEY WOULD SOMEHOW BE LOCKSTEP.

AGAIN, I AM NOT A CAT OWNER.

UM, IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T HATE CATS, BUT I, I HAVE VERY LIMITED KNOWLEDGE ABOUT CATS AND THE CAT PROGRAM.

AND SO I'M LEARNING JUST AS MY COLLEAGUE IS LEARNING.

SO I WOULD THINK THAT AN ORGANIZATION SUCH AS PETA WOULD SOMEHOW BE LOCKSTEP WITH, UM, ALL OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE, UM, PROVIDING THESE, UM, CAT.

SO, UM, I'M JUST GONNA READ A, A QUICK EX EXCERPT, UM, ABOUT, UM, THE CAT COLONIES.

WE HAVE SEEN FIRSTHAND AND HAVE RECEIVED COUNTLESS REPORTS THAT CATS SUFFER AND DIE GRUESOME DEBTS BECAUSE THEY'RE ABANDONED TO FEND FOR THEMSELVES OUTDOORS.

MANY ARE IN MANAGED COLONIES, WHICH USUALLY MEANS THAT THEY ARE FED.

HAVING WITNESSED THE PAINFUL DEATHS OF COUNTLESS FERAL CATS, WE CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIOUS ADVOCATE, TRAPPING, ALTERING, AND RELEASING AS A HUMANE WAY TO DEAL WITH OVERPOPULATION AND HOMELESSNESS OF CATS.

AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS GOSPEL BECAUSE I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT OF RESEARCH, THERE'S A LOT OF DATA IN THIS TYPE, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAUGHT MY EYE ONLY BECAUSE THIS ORGANIZATION IS ABOUT THE ETHICAL TREATMENT OF ANIMALS.

AND IT JUST WAS CURIOUS TO ME THAT THEY WOULD SAY THIS ABOUT, UH, A TRAPPING PROGRAM.

SO THOSE ARE MY FINAL WORDS FOR TODAY.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MA'AM.

IS THERE ANY OTHER, OTHER ELEMENTS THAT, THAT WE PROVIDE DIRECTION, MR. CITY MANAGER TO YOU, YOU HAVE ENOUGH TO DEVELOP AN ORDINANCE, DRAFT IT, AND THEN I WOULD ASSUME PROVIDE US SOMETHING BY SEPTEMBER 28TH? I THINK WITH THE, THE FUNDING PIECE WAS IF THE COUNCIL'S OKAY WITH THAT.

UH, I DIDN'T REALLY SEE ANY KIND OF INPUT ON THE FUNDING PIECE.

SO THERE, ANYWAY, UM, I GUESS FOR, FOR ITEM EIGHT A FOR THIS EVENING, UH, WE DID DISCUSS IN A SENSE THE KEY ELEMENTS OR VISION OF, OF THAT, OR I GUESS OF WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US.

UM, OBVIOUSLY WE DO NOT HAVE A ORDINANCE TO VOTE ON, BUT WE, WE CAN JUST NOW WE COULD TABLE THIS ITEM IF THAT'S WE WELL, I MEAN, WE CAN JUST NEED, WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED A TABLE WITH MAYOR.

WE CAN JUST MOVE ON.

WE HAVE OUR DIRECTION AT THIS POINT.

IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM B.

WE NEED TO WAIT FOR SARAH.

WHERE'S SHE, WHERE SHOULD SHE GO BACK? ONE.

TO, TO PROCEED.

I JUST ASK HER, BECAUSE A B INVOLVES OUR COMMITTEE AND SHE SHOULD BE PRESENT FOR THIS DISCUSS.

CAN WE MOVE TO CONSENT? YEAH, SHE'S COMING BACK, RIGHT? OKAY.

YEAH, WE CAN GO

[9. CONSENT All Consent Agenda items listed are considered to be routine by the City Council and will be enacted by one motion. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless a Council Member requests, in which event the item will be removed from the Consent Agenda and considered in its normal sequence on the agenda.]

TO CONSENT.

ALRIGHT, SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ITEMS A THROUGH F ON CONSENT.

SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION UNLESS ANYTHING NEEDS TO BE PULLED INDIVIDUALLY, BUT I ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEMS A THROUGH F, MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED, PLEASE SAY AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED CONSENT, UH, AGENDA IS APPROVED.

NEXT WE HAVE, WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO, LET'S SEE, I CAN DO THE MANAGER REPORT.

MAYOR, IF YOU WANT.

UM, LET'S DO THE MANAGER REPORT, COUNCIL DISTRICT REPORT, AND THEN WE'LL DO ITEM FIVE A.

ALRIGHT, MAYOR, THE, UH, I HAVE A FEW THINGS.

FIRST, , ONE OF THE, UH, UH, RESIDENTS SPEAKING ACTUALLY MENTIONED IT, BUT I DID WANT TO POINT OUT THAT, UH, ACCORDING TO THE BAYTOWN SUNS PRESS RELEASE THAT THEIR SANTO BRIDGE WAS FUNDED.

UM, AND SO THERE'S $558 MILLION GOING TOWARD THE SANTO BRIDGE, UH, CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULED TO START IN 2028.

UH, AND FOR FIVE YEARS.

SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS, UH, FOR ALL BAY TOWNIANS AND, UH, UH, PEOPLE ALONG I 10 , I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT IN DC ANYMORE ABOUT POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, BEGGING FOR MONEY, BUT YEAH.

IS IT STATE FUNDING OR FEDERAL? FEDERAL.

NICE.

FUNDS THAT GOES THROUGH THE STATE.

A LOT OF THE STATE FUNDING ACTUALLY IS, IT CAME FROM THE STATE, BUT THROUGH THE FEDERAL REALM, FEDERAL HIGHWAY COMMISSION RELEASES

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GREAT.

SO, YEAH, UM, I HAVE TWO OFFICERS THAT I WOULD, OR TWO THINGS WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT.

UH, O UH, I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT OFFICER LIN.

UM, OH, WELL, HE DID A FANTASTIC JOB AND WITHOUT GETTING TOO MUCH INTO THE DETAILS AT THIS POINT, UH, THE OFFICER, UH, WAS ABLE TO FIND A, HE WAS ABLE TO ACT ON A SEXUAL ASSAULT, ASSAULT CASE OF A CHILD AND WAS ABLE TO APPREHEND THE INDIVIDUAL AND, UH, GREAT WORK BY THAT OFFICER IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THE, GETTING THAT INDIVIDUAL OFF THE STREET.

SO, UH, UH, A BIG SHOUT OUT TO OFFICER .

UM, AND THEN I WANT TO SEND A SHOUT OUT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WORKING HAND IN HAND, UH, TO ADDRESS THE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT, ENCAMPMENTS UNDER THE, UH, AROUND OUR PARKS AND UNDER OUR, UH, BRIDGES.

AND SO THEY HAVE BEEN MAKING A VERY PROACTIVE APPROACH TO ADDRESS THE, THE HOMELESS, UH, SITES THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

AND, UH, THEY WILL CONTINUE THAT.

SO JUST WANT TO PUBLICLY RECOGNIZE THEM FOR, FOR THAT AT THIS POINT.

AND WITH THAT, MAYOR, THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THIS TIME.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SIR.

UH, NEXT WE'LL GET BACK TO ITEM, UH, FIVE B, EIGHT B OH, EXCUSE ME, EIGHT B.

THAT'S GIVE PRESENTATION.

UM, LEMME SEE, I DO HAVE ONE CITIZEN THAT, THAT DID SIGN UP ON EIGHT B.

UM, IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MR. MCKEN, I AT LEAST I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE JUST A GENERAL PREFACE FOR THIS ITEM AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE YOUR COMMENTS JUST IN CASE THEY, THEY MAY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AT THAT POINT.

IS THAT OKAY? IS THERE, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WE TALKED ABOUT SPECIFICALLY MDD, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION IN GENERAL? BECAUSE I WAS TOLD BOTH FROM THE COUNCIL DIRECTIONS OF THAT.

I, I BELIEVE THAT THEY WILL BE TALKING ABOUT IT.

IT'S GOING, THE ITEM IS POSTED AS DISCUSSED, THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE BOARDS OF COMMISSIONS AD HOC COMMITTEE REGARDING THE MDD.

SO REALLY IT'S GONNA BE JUST MDD FOR THIS EVENING.

UM, SO THESE ARE JUST COMMENTS.

WE DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION TO GIVE.

WE HAVE A SLIDE.

UM, WE, THE COMMITTEE CREATED A SLIDE FOR THIS.

THEY DID NOT GET THE SLIDE? NO.

SO I ASKED ABOUT IT.

HERE TODAY.

IS THERE A SLIDE OR NOT? THEY GOT THE SLIDE.

THEY, MS. ANGIE IS NOT HERE AND SO THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO, DO YOU HAVE THE SLIDE YOU WERE EMAILED IT TO? OKAY.

IT WAS BACK IN JULY.

IT IS A LITTLE WARM, BUT, WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE ON IN HERE.

SO IS FROM JULY MM-HMM .

WHO'S IT FROM? ME, FROM HEATHER, WHEN WE WERE FIRST GOING TO DISCUSS IT.

SO LEMME ASK OUR FIRST MEETING DOES THIS SLIDE, THIS IS, IS A VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO DESCRIBE, RIGHT? OKAY.

DOESN'T MATTER.

WHICH HELPS ILLUSTRATE A VERY COMPLEX DISCUSSION.

I THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO HAVE THE SLIDE.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING IT TOGETHER, PAUL.

COUNCIL MEMBER DISTRICT REPORT.

SO I GUESS IF, IF YOU COULD FIND THE SLIDE.

YEAH, WELL, WHILE YOU FIND THE SLIDE THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE

[a. Receive a report from Council Member Jacob Powell regarding projects, programs and events in District No. 5. ]

MR. JACOB POWELL, WHY ARE YOU SMILING SO MUCH? ? I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, SINCE EVERYONE LEFT, UM, I'LL HAVE A PRETTY QUICK REPORT.

WE DON'T HAVE TV LAND.

GO AHEAD.

MATT'S STILL HERE.

NO, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO REPORT ON.

I JUST WANNA SAY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A FEW PROJECTS STILL, UH, GOING ON IN DISTRICT FIVE.

UH, THE LINCOLN CEDARS PROJECT, JULIAN VILLA VALE DRIVE, THOSE ARE ALL PROGRESSING.

UM, I THINK ANY PROJECT WE DO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS SOME HICCUPS ALONG THE WAY.

SOME SOME INTERRUPTIONS TO RESIDENTS, BUT ALWAYS APPRECIATE STAFF'S QUICK RESPONSE TO ADDRESS THOSE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS WITH RESIDENTS AND, UH, STILL MOVING FORWARD ON THOSE.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

YEAH, I MEAN, I, I SEEN, IS THERE A COMPLETION DATE ON VE UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE ABOUT 90% COMPLETE, BUT I DROVE WITH THE OTHER DAY.

IT'S BE, IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL, THE SIDEWALKS AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A GREAT CON CONCRETE ROAD IN THE PAST, BUT IT JUST WAS SO FRACTURED.

SO DO WE HAVE A COMPLETION DATE BY PUBLIC ION ENGINEERING? UH, GOOD EVENING AMERICAN COUNSEL.

UH, THE PROJECT IS, I DON'T WANT YOU AN EXACT DATE, JUST GIMME LIKE A MONTH.

UH, NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, UH, SHOULD BE WRAPPED UP.

THE PROJECT IS BOUND, IS, UH, INCORPORATED WITH COUNTRY CLUB AS WELL.

UH, SO THOSE TWO PROJECTS TOGETHER ARE ONE PROJECT.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S GONNA TAKE A LITTLE LONGER TO COMPLETE THE WHOLE THING.

I, I DO HAVE A, I CAN GIVE A LITTLE ADDITIONAL ON THAT.

UM, THERE ARE 10 PHASES IN THE SEVILLE PROJECT.

WE'RE CURRENTLY ON PHASE SEVEN OF 10.

UM, AND LOOKING TO BEGIN, BEGIN THE CLOSE OUT IN NOVEMBER, THE ENTIRE PROJECT IS SCHEDULED FOR FINAL APPROVAL AND CLOSE OUT BY US IN JANUARY.

SOUND GOOD? THANK YOU.

OF WHAT YEAR? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COUNCILMAN.

AND SO, UM, NOW IS THERE A SLIDE AVAILABLE? WE WANNA DO FIVE A AND EXECUTIVE SESSION? WE CAN.

THOSE WILL BE VERY QUICK

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THERE.

LET'S EXCUSE, LET'S DO FIVE A, BUT WE, WELL, WE HAVE TO GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR FIVE A, CORRECT? MM-HMM .

WELL WE HAVE ASSISTANT SIGNED UP, BUT, OKAY.

UM, LET'S MOVE ON TO, WELL, EVERYTHING ELSE IS EXECUTIVE SESSION OR AFTER, RIGHT? DID YOU WANNA MAKE YOUR ANNOUNCEMENT? I CAN, CAN I MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT? HOLD ON.

ARE WE GONNA WAIT, ARE WE GONNA WAIT FOR FIVE A? ARE WE GONNA, HOLD ON.

EXCUSE ME.

HOLD ON.

ARE WE GONNA DO FIVE A? ARE WE GONNA DO EIGHT B? ARE WE GONNA HOLD WAIT TILL EIGHT B UNTIL AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSION? YES, WE'RE, I'M SURE IT IS, BUT OKAY, LET'S, LET'S DO, LET'S DO FIVE.

[a. Conduct a public hearing regarding a proposed text amendment to Appendix A - Unified Land Development Code (ULDC) to change Sec 5.79 New Signs, concerning certain language addressing permitting all temporary off-premises signs.]

YES SIR.

FIVE A 13.

WELL, 13 IS FIVE A IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

WE CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING.

OH, EXCUSE ME, I I'M SORRY.

YEAH, FIVE FIVE A IS HOLD ON.

FIVE A IS CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE, WE NEED TO GO SESSION FIRST BEFORE WE DO THAT.

IS THAT CORRECT MR. CITY ATTORNEY? YOU CAN DO IT EITHER WAY.

YOU'D LIKE MR. MAYOR.

BUT I DO HAVE SOME INFORMATION TO PROVIDE TO YOU IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AS, UH, COUNSEL.

SO IF YOU'D PREFER TO HEAR THAT BEFORE, I WOULD PREFER TO DO THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A CITIZEN TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK, THEN WE CAN GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

THAT IS PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE, SIR.

SO, UH, MY PAPERWORK.

ALL RIGHT.

IT IS NOW NINE OH ONE AND I'LL CALL ORDER OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT OF, OH, EXCUSE ME.

PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT OF THE ULDC CONCERNING A CERTAIN LANGUAGE ADDRESSING PERMITTING, ALL TEMPORARY OFF-PREMISE SIGNS.

I WOULD NOW LIKE TO REQUEST STAFF TO SUMMARIZE THE SUBJECT OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING.

SO WHO IS GOING TO DO THAT? HAS YOU MR. LAMAN? YES.

COUNSEL.

THIS ITEM CONCERNS, UH, REVISIONS TO THE ULDC, SPECIFICALLY THE SIGNED AMENDMENT.

UH, WE GOT SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OUR, UH, OUTSIDE COUNSEL THAT I'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

BUT, UH, THE GIST OF THE AMENDMENTS ARE THAT, UH, IN AN ORDER TO PROVIDE ORDER TO ENSURE THAT ALL OF OUR CITIZENS ARE ABLE TO EXERCISE THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, UH, AND TO ENSURE THAT OUR ORDINANCES, UH, ARE NOT CONTENT BASED WHEN WE, UH, ARE REGULATING SIGNAGE, UH, WE'VE GOT SOME, UH, AMENDMENTS TO SECTION 5.79, THE FIRST BEING, UH, AND C3 TO STATE THAT TEMPORARY SIGNS PROVIDED THAT THE NUMBER OF SUCH SIGNS ON ANY PREMISES DO NOT EXCEED TO A NUMBER AND PROVIDED SUCH SIGNS ARE DISPLAYED ON CONSECUTIVE DAYS AND FOR ONLY A MAXIMUM OF SEVEN DAYS IN ANY 30 DAY PERIOD.

THE SECOND SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE TO SECTION 5 79 IS SECTION D, WHICH EXCLUDES FROM PERMITTING, UH, ALL SUCH SIGNS.

THEN THERE ARE SOME, UH, CLEANUP, UH, ORDINANCES, UH, RENUMBERING SECTIONS.

AND THERE ARE SOME DELETIONS OF THE PREVIOUS SIGN ORDINANCE WHERE WE HAD DIFFERENT RULES APPLYING TO DIFFERENT TYPES OF SIGNS.

SO LEMME ASK, LEMME ASK THIS QUESTION NOW.

UM, SO WHAT WOULD, WOULD IT APPLY TO POLITICAL SIGNS? ELECTION SIGNS IT WOULD APPLY.

WOULD APPLY TO ANY SIGNS OKAY.

THAT ARE TEMPORARY IN NATURE REGARDLESS OF THEIR CONTENT.

ARE WE ALL ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTION? UM, WE'RE GONNA GO TO EXACT SESSION.

AND THEN, AND THEN, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL GO FROM THERE, BUT WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM MR. BEARD FIRST.

AND MR. MAYOR, IF I CAN EXPOUND UPON MY ANSWER.

OH, THE RULE WOULD BE THE SAME REGARDLESS OF THE TYPE OF SIGN.

OKAY, THANK YOU.