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IT IS NOW FIVE O'CLOCK AND I WILL CALL THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING FOR JULY 18TH.TO ORDER AND ASK NAY TO CALL ROE JAMIE.
UH, I'D LIKE TO TAKE JUST A MINUTE AWAY FROM THE AGENDA AND INTRODUCE OUR NEW ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR PLANNING AND ZONING.
I HOPE I DIDN'T RUIN THAT LAST NIGHT.
UH, WELCOME TO OUR GROUP AND WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE YOU.
YOU WANNA TALK JUST A MINUTE ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND YEAH.
UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY MY SECOND, UH, TIME IN BAYTOWN.
UM, I WORKED WITH CITY BACK IN, UM, 2011.
UM, I WAS A PLAINTIFF TWO, UM, AND SPENT SOME TIME BACK IN THE MIDWEST WHERE UH, MY WIFE'S, UH, FAMILY WAS.
UM, BUT MY WIFE'S FAMILY MOVED BACK DOWN HERE TO THE HOUSTON AREA.
SO HERE I AM AND HOPE THIS IS MY LAST STOP OF MY CAREER AND, UM, EVERYONE'S BEEN INCREDIBLY WARM AND WELCOMING AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH, UM, YOU ALL AND EVERYONE ELSE IN THE CITY, UM, HERE, UH, AND OVER THE HOPEFULLY THE REST OF MY CAREER.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ALSO.
[a. Consider approving the meeting minutes of the June 20, 2023, Planning and Zoning Commission regular meeting.]
OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA IS MINUTES OF THE JUNE 20TH 23 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, REGULAR MEETING.I'LL SECOND AND A SECOND FROM TAMMY.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.
[a. Consider approving XAG Heights of Barbers Hill Baytown Preliminary Plat, approximately 15.05 acres, generally located west of State Highway 99 and south of East Interstate Highway 10.]
UH, NUMBER THREE, PLATS.CONSIDER APPROVING XAG HEIGHTS OF BARBERS HILL BAYTOWN.
PRELIMINARY PLAT, APPROXIMATELY 15.05 ACRES GENERALLY LOCATED WEST OF STATE HIGHWAY 99 AND SOUTH OF EAST INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 10.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN COMMISSIONERS.
MY NAME IS LAMIA S PLANNER TWO WITH THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED, UH, WEST OF THE 99 AND UH, SOUTH OF I 10.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 15 ACRES IN THE A TG.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, UH, THREE LOTS OF COMMERCIAL IN ONE BLOCK AND, UH, IT MEETS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ULDC AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NO.
ALL IN FAVOR? DO I HEAR A MOTION I MOVE TO APPROVE.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.
[a. Conduct a public hearing and consider a request to amend the official zoning map to rezone approximately 0.41 acres located at 9 Northridge Drive from General Commercial (GC) to a Mixed Residential at Low to Medium Densities (SF2) Zoning District.]
UH, NUMBER FOUR ON AGENDA ZONING CONDUCT.UM, I WILL READ THE FOLLOWING ONE TIME AND IT APPLIES TO ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS.
PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE HELD FOR THE PURPOSE OF GIVING ALL INTERESTED PERSONS THE RIGHT TO SPEAK AND BE HEARD.
EVERYONE DESIRING TO SPEAK AT TODAY'S HEARING SHOULD HAVE SIGNED THE APPROPRIATE LIST.
AS THIS LIST WILL PROVIDE THE SPEAKING ORDER FOR THE HEARING.
EACH SPEAKER SHALL GIVE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS TO PROVIDE A PROPER RECORD OF THIS HEARING.
THE RULES ALLOW EACH SPEAKER THREE MINUTES TO PRESENT INFORMATION.
HOWEVER, I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO BE AS CONCISE AS POSSIBLE.
IF YOU ARE A GROUP WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON THE SAME SUBJECT, PLEASE SELECT A SPOKESPERSON TO PRESENT THE INFORMATION.
IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE DIRECT THEM TO ME.
OUR FIRST ITEM IS CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING.
CONSIDER A REQUEST TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 0.41 ACRES LOCATED NINE NORTH RIDGE DRIVE FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO A MIXED RESIDENTIAL AT LOW TO MEDIUM DENSITIES SF TWO ZONING DISTRICT
YEAH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF NORTHRIDGE DRIVE IN NORTH MAIN WITH, UH, APPROXIMATE UH, LOT SIZE OF 0.41 ACRES.
CURRENTLY IT'S VACANT AND UNDEVELOPED.
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PROPERTY, UM, IS WITHIN THE NORTHRIDGE SUBDIVISION.UH, THE PROPERTY CONTAINS UH, TWO STANDARDS LOT, LOT 21 AND LOT 22 WITH AVERAGE SIZE OF, UH, 10,127 SQUARE FEET PER LOT.
THESE ARE THE SURROUNDING USES OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UM, SO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A MIX OF, UH, COMMERCIAL USES, EXISTING COMMERCIAL USES ALONG NORTH MAIN, SUCH AS THE, UM, THE ANIMAL MEDICAL CENTER AT THE REAR OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UM, ALSO, UM, PRESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS, UM, ALONG THESE LOCAL ROADS WEST OF NORTH MAINE.
AND, UH, VACANT, UH, PROPERTIES SUCH AS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FRONTING ON NORTH MAIN.
THIS IS THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UM, THIS IS THE ANIMAL MEDICAL CENTER AT THE REAR OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THESE ARE THE DWELLING WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THIS IS A LOOK INTO THE, UM, NORTH RIDGE DRIVE, WHICH IS A DEAD END ROAD.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED GENERAL COMMERCIAL, HOWEVER, FOR ANY, UH, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, IT MUST MEET DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR DEVELOPMENT, UH, FOR GENERAL COMMERCIAL, UH, SUCH AS UM, 25 FEET FRONT YARD SETBACK AND 25 FEET STREET SIDE SETBACK, AS WELL AS COMPATIBILITY STANDARD OF 20 FEET OF, UH, OPEN SPACE ON THE WEST SIDE SINCE IT'S ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
UH, IN ADDITION TO MEETING, UM, PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL USE THE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE, THE UH, FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS YOU CAN SEE, AS WELL AS THE WEST SIDE OF NORTH MAIN FOR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
THE PROPOSAL IS TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO MIXED RESIDENTIAL AT LOW TO MEDIUM DENSITY, WHICH IS SUPPORTED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AS WELL AS IN LINE WITH THE LOT PATTERN AND EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USES ALONG NORTHRIDGE DRIVE.
THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WHAT IT, THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM COMMERCIAL TO COMMERCIAL, LOW TO MEDIUM DENSITY ZONING.
DO I HEAR A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
HELEN, DO I HEAR A SECOND? I SECOND HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.
THIS, THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'M SORRY.
OH, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE, SORRY.
WE HAVE NO ONE SIGNED UP FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
IS ANYONE HERE REQUESTING TO SPEAK? GENTLEMEN HERE, I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS REQUIRED TO SPEAK, BUT I HERE YOU WANNA COME TO THE PODIUM AND TELL US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? YES.
LIST HAD ALREADY BEEN TURNED IN.
92 30 NORTH MAIN STREET, BAYTOWN, TEXAS 7 7 5 2 1.
OKAY, ANYTHING ELSE? DO YOU HAVE A PROPERTY ON HIM? UH, MY DAD IS, I'M HERE REPRESENTING HIM.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO MAKE? WE JUST WANT TO CHANGE IT SO WE CAN BUILD HOUSES THERE.
THE LOT SEEMED TOO SMALL TO BUILD ANYTHING COMMERCIAL, SO THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO SWITCH IT OVER TO RESIDENTIAL.
AND IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK, WE'LL CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND AGAIN, AGAIN, ASK FOR A MOTION.
ELLEN, YOU WILL, I WILL AGAIN.
I GUESS I NEED TO SLEEP FOR A WHILE.
SO I SECOND HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
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OR QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER? OH, I, I HAVE TO ABSTAIN FROM THIS VOTE.DO YOU WANNA GO TO THE PARKING LOT?
[b. Conduct a public hearing and consider a request to approve a Special Use Permit (SUP) for approximately 62.75 acres located at 3715 East Interstate Highway 10 (E IH 10) to allow for a warehouse development within a General Commercial (GC) Zoning District.]
CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING.CONSIDER A REQUEST TO APPROVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR APPROXIMATELY 62.75 ACRES LOCATED 37 15 EAST INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 10 TO ALLOW FOR A WAREHOUSE DEVELOPMENT.
GOT THAT DOG WITHIN A GENERAL COMMERCIAL GC ZONING DISTRICT AND WILL REMEMBER THAT THIS WAS HELD OVER UNDER ADVISEMENT AND SO IT'S STILL OPEN.
TREVOR HARLOW PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UH, AS THE CHAIR JUST NOTED, THIS IS A HOLDOVER FROM LAST MONTH, SO WE ALL SHOULD BE VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT.
BUT I WILL GIVE A QUICK REFRESHER JUST TO KIND OF GO OVER THE SUBJECT PROPERTY A LITTLE BIT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT THE REQUEST.
SO ONCE AGAIN, THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 97.06 ACRES LOCATED NORTH OF IH 10.
AND, UH, WEST OF JOHN MARTIN HAS NOTED ON THE MAP IT'S FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION IS FOR LARGE SCALE COMMERCIAL AND THEN THIS AREA OVER HERE, LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, BUT THAT IS, UM, PART OF THE DETENTION.
SO NOT MUCH OF THE ACTUAL ACTIVITY ON THAT PORTION.
AND THE ZONING MAP DOES SHOW ALL FOR GENERAL COMMERCIAL, WHICH ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT IS ALLOWING FOR WAREHOUSING AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
UH, THIS IS A, THE CURRENT VERSION OF THE SITE PLAN WE HAVE FOR IT.
UH, TO GIVE YOU KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE.
THIS IS OF COURSE SUBJECT TO CHANGE BASED OFF OF OF COURSE ANY OF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF OR OF COURSE, UH, IF THIS DOES GET ITS SPECIAL USE PERMIT, IT STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH ALL THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES TO RECEIVE ITS PERMITS.
SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE US TO APPLY THOSE STANDARDS AND THAT MAY ALTER HOW THE SITE PLAN LOOKS.
BUT CONCEPTUALLY THIS IS THE PROPOSAL THAT IS ON AT HAND.
A LITTLE JUST QUICK REFRESHER ON THE SITE.
UH, PRETTY VACANT ALL ACROSS THIS AREA.
WE CAN SEE EAST FROM JOHN MARTIN.
SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WOULD BE ACROSS THIS, UH, IT'S ABOUT A THOUSAND FEET.
UH, THIS IS A VACANT PROPERTY TO THE SIDE OF IT, BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY LOOKING NORTH, ALL VACANT AND THEN ALONG THE I 10 FRONTAGE, WHICH IS WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO HAVE SOME OF THEIR ACCESS ON.
THE ONLY THING THAT IS DIFFERENT THAT I'M GONNA COVER BEFORE I LET THE APPLICANTS KIND OF TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS IS STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO NOTHING IS ULTIMATELY CHANGING ON HERE.
I JUST WANT YOU TO NOTE THAT THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE SLIDE.
SO WHAT WE WOULD BE SUGGESTING THAT IF YOU, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL BASED ON THESE CONDITIONS.
SO THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR YOU TO USE THESE CONDITIONS AS PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
IT'S NOTHING MAJORLY, IT'S NOTHING ACTUALLY CHANGING SUBSTANTIALLY.
IT'S JUST FROM SOME LEGAL ADVISEMENT ON MAKING SURE ALL THE TERMS AND LOGISTICS ARE IN THERE WITH, UH, MAKING SURE WE HOLD THEM TO A SITE PLAN, MAKING SURE THAT YOU STAY SPECIFIC TO THE WAREHOUSE USE AND BEING MORE SPECIFIC ON THE BUFFER AND SCREENING.
SO YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT MORE DETAIL IN THERE.
UH, BUT IT'S ALL ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THAT WE WERE SEEING BEFOREHAND.
SO OTHERWISE, UH, YOU ALL HAD SOME, YOU ALL HAD SOME REQUESTS FROM THE APPLICANTS FOR THEM TO BRING BACK SOME MORE INFORMATION TO MOVE FORWARD AND UH, THE BIGGEST PART OF THAT WAS WITH TRAFFIC INFORMATION.
SO THEY HAVE PREPARED SOME INFORMATION, THEY, UH, PROVIDED IT TO US.
WE WENT THROUGH SOME REVIEW AND DISCUSSION WITH THEM AND THEY NOW HAVE A NEW PRESENTATION WITH SOME OF THAT MORE IN DETAIL TO PROVIDE FOR YOU GUYS.
SO I'M GONNA ALLOW THEM TO GIVE THAT PRESENTATION AFTER, AFTER THIS, WHEN WE GET INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE ONLY OTHER THING I WILL NOTE IS, UH, JUAN MASIA, THE CITY ENGINEER IS HERE.
SO IF YOU DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON THAT SIDE OF IT, HE'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT A LOT BETTER THAN I CAN.
BUT OTHERWISE I'LL LEAVE IT TO THE APPLICANT'S AND THE PUBLIC HEARING UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR ME.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR TREVOR? I HAVE A QUICK ONE, TREVOR, REAL QUICK.
REFRESH ME ON WHAT THE WAREHOUSES WILL CONTAIN.
SO THAT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING WE KNOW AT THIS TIME.
IT'S LEASED OUT SPACE, SO THEY COULD GO INTO MORE DETAIL ABOUT THAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE, BUT PLEASE, YEAH.
YEAH, WE CAN HAVE, MY QUESTION WAS ALONG THAT LINE TOO, FOR THE CITY, UM, IF IT'S GONNA BE INDUSTRIAL RIGHT HERE WITH A SINGLE FAMILY BEHIND A VACANT GC NEXT DOOR TO THE EAST AND A SINGLE FAMILY ACROSS, UM, IT'S LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, CORRECT? IN IN GC OR IT IS JUST INDUSTRIAL IN
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OUR GC.THE, SO IT'S IN THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL GC ZONING DISTRICT.
THE, THE WAREHOUSING IS A PERMITTED USE AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSING, MEANING STORAGE, WAREHOUSING, FREIGHT MOVEMENT, IT'S LOGISTICS, FREIGHT MOVEMENT, LOGISTICS NOT OKAY.
IT'S NOT, NOT MANUFACTURING OR ANY OF THAT TYPE OF ACTIVITY.
WE HAVE NUMEROUS PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
SO KYLE FLETCHER IS FIRST ON THIS.
ARE YOU THE SPOKESPERSON? CRAIG MCKENNA WILL BE OUR SPOKESPERSON.
CRAIG MCKENNA, STREAM REALTY PARTNERS, 30 40 POST OAK.
GREAT TO SEE MANY OF YOU AGAIN IN SOME NEW FACES.
UM, WE'VE GOT A PRESENTATION PREPARED, SO WE'LL GO OVER WHAT WE PRESENTED LAST TIME AND THEN OF COURSE TOUCH ON YOUR CONCERNS, UH, THE TRAFFIC DATA THAT WE'VE COMPILED, UM, AND THEN OF COURSE KINDA HOW WE PLAN ON ADDRESSING THOSE CONCERNS.
UM, SO JUST A BRIEF INTRODUCTION, STREAM REALTY PARTNERS, WE'RE FULL.
WERE FULL SERVICE REAL ESTATE FIRM.
EVERYTHING FROM BROKERAGE, PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT, ACQUISITIONS, DEVELOPMENT, UM, 1200 LOCAL EMPLOYEES.
WE OPERATE ALL ACROSS THE NATION.
UM, THIS PARTICULAR TEAM, ALL OF WHICH ARE HERE TODAY.
UM, WE ARE THE IDS UNIT, WHICH IS SPECIALIZES IN INDUSTRIAL AND LOGISTICS DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE MICHAEL MONTELONGO FROM WGA, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER AND SPECIAL GUESTS, SANDY AND CHARLES COX, UM, WHO ARE THE LANDOWNERS.
SO HOPEFULLY WE'VE GOT A, A CREW THAT CAN HANDLE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR US TODAY.
UM, AS FAR AS OUR EXPERIENCE, WE'VE DEVELOPED 6.8 MILLION SQUARE FEET IN THE GREATER HOUSTON AREA, 22 BUILDINGS, UM, INCLUDING A COUPLE BUILDINGS THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW IN THE ETJ OF BAYTOWN, WHICH CEDAR PORT, THAT'S A MILLION SQUARE FOOT PROJECT THAT WE SHOULD BE WRAPPING UP HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE DEVELOPED A RETAIL PROJECT ON GARTH ROAD, SO HAVE SOME HISTORY WORKING WITH THE CITY AND VERY EXCITED TO EXPAND THAT PARTNERSHIP.
SO THIS IS THE SITE, UM, WE ALREADY WENT OVER KIND OF WHERE IT IS.
WE JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON WHAT WE TOUCHED ON LAST TIME IN REGARDS TO SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT CHALLENGES.
SO THIS MAP SHOWS ESSENTIALLY THE MAIN CHALLENGE, WHICH IS FLOODPLAIN.
SO THE RED AND BLUE HASH IS THE FLOODWAY.
UM, THIS IS NOT DEVELOPABLE, IT'S UM, YOU KNOW, AN AREA WHERE YOU CAN'T REALLY PUT ANY IMPROVEMENTS ON.
UH, WE'RE PLANNING ON PUTTING DETENTION AND MAJORITY OF THIS AREA, THE BLUE AREA IS A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAIN.
AND THE ORANGE AREA IS THE 500 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN.
SO REALLY THE, THE MAIN THING I WANNA POINT OUT HERE IS THIS PROVIDES A A A A BIG CHALLENGE FOR MANY USES TO BE DEVELOPED IN THIS AREA.
SO FOR INSTANCE, RESIDENTIAL, YOU'LL HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING FLOOD INSURANCE IN THIS AREA, SO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPERS WILL SHY AWAY, UM, RETAIL, YOU'RE AT GRADE.
UM, AND SO YOU'LL HAVE ISSUES THERE TOO WITH RAISING THE SITE OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAIN FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
INDUSTRIAL TYLER MENTIONED LAST TIME, OUR FINISHED FOUR IS FOUR FEET ABOVE GRADE, SO THAT LENDS ITSELF TO BE DEVELOPED HERE.
UM, A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN SOME OF THE OTHER USES OR I SHOULD SAY MUCH BETTER THAN SOME OF THE OTHER USES.
WE'LL GO INTO SOME OF THE SPECIFIC THINGS, BUT TOUCHING ON KINDA WHAT WE TOUCHED ON LAST TIME, WE'VE GOT A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACKS ALL THE WAY AROUND THIS PROJECT.
UM, MORE IN SOME AREAS THAT'S TRUE SETBACK.
YOU GOT 50 FEET OF, UH, OPEN, OPEN SPACE, 50 FEET OF VEGETATION.
AND THEN OF COURSE WE'RE PLANNING ON BUILDING A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH SHOULD ADD VALUE TO THE CITY IN THAT IT UNLOCKS POTENTIAL, UM, VALUE ON PROJECTS TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS IN YOUR ETJ AS WELL.
WE'VE GOT UPGRADED LANDSCAPING ALONG THE SOUTH.
SO AESTHETICALLY THAT SHOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES ARE NO CLOSER THAN 185 FEET FROM ANY PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY OR ANY PROPERTY LINE.
AND IN MOST AREAS IT'S NORTH OF 200 FEET.
SO SURROUNDING AREAS TO THE EAST, WE'VE GOT LARGE SCALE COMMU, LARGE SCALE COMMERCIAL AS A FUTURE LAND USE FOR THESE TWO TRACKS.
IT'S A RANCH AND A RESIDENCE OWNED BY THE, UH, CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, AND THEN WE'VE GOT VACANT LAND TO THE WEST AND THEN A DETENTION POND OWNED BY TXDOT JUST TO THE SOUTHWEST THERE.
SO, UM, WHEN WE LAST PRESENTED, THE PRIMARY CONCERN THAT WE HEARD FROM THE BOARD WAS EASTBOUND EXIT TRUCK TRAFFIC, PASSING IN FRONT OF SENSITIVE AREAS, TWO SCHOOLS, A CHURCH, A NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND SO WE HEARD THAT CONCERN.
ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS WE HEARD FROM, UH, AT LEAST ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS WAS TO CONSTRUCT JONES ROAD TO PROVIDE A MORE INTUITIVE ROUTE FOR THE EASTBOUND EXITING TRAFFIC.
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THE REQUEST TO PRESENT TRAFFIC DATA SHOWING THIS PROJECT'S IMPACT TO THE IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING AREA.SO SINCE THAT MEETING, WE'VE REVISED THE PLAN TO INCLUDE JONES ROAD AND WE'VE ENGAGED A THIRD PARTY TO COMPILE TRAFFIC DATA TO PRESENT TO Y'ALL AND I'LL, WE'LL GET MORE INTO THAT.
UM, BACKING UP A LITTLE BIT, JUST TO KIND OF FRAME THE STRATEGY BEHIND THE STEEL AND THE POTENTIAL USERS, THERE ARE TWO USES THAT ARE LIKELY, WELL DEFINITELY GONNA BE OCCUPIERS OF THE SITE, ONE OF WHICH WILL BE PORT FOCUSED LOGISTICS COMPANIES.
AND THEN THE OTHER WOULD BE LOCAL OR REGIONAL DISTRIBUTION.
SO THE PORT FOCUSED LOGISTIC COMPANIES, UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING TO AND FROM THE CONTAINER TERMINALS AND YOU'LL SEE BARBER'S CUT HERE, Y'ALL ARE OB OBVIOUSLY VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS.
BARBER'S CUT AND THEN SOUTH OF THAT IS BAYPORT, SAME ROUTE, BUT COMING FROM THE TERMINALS, YOU GO UP 1 46, AROUND THREE 30 TO I 10.
SO YOU'RE COMING FROM THE WEST TO EXIT.
YOU'D HEAD WEST ON I 10 SLINGSHOT THREE 30 DOWN TO 1 46 AND BACK TO THE TERMINALS.
SO AGAIN, MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC GOING WEST AND COMING FROM THE WEST REGIONAL DISTRIBUTION, THERE'S LITERALLY NOT A REGIONAL POPULATION BASE THAT THE HOUSTON AREA, BLESS YOU, EXCUSE ME, THE HOUSTON AREA SERVES TO THE EAST OF US.
SO REALLY IT'S THE TEXAS TRIANGLE, DALLAS, AUSTIN, SAN ANTONIO, AND THE RIO GRANDE VALLEY, WHICH IS 21 MILLION PEOPLE THAT WE COULD SERVE FROM A REGIONAL STANDPOINT FROM THIS LOCATION.
AND THIS SHOWS ALL OF THOSE, AGAIN WOULD HEAD WEST FROM THE SITE I'M TALKING ABOUT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOCAL DISTRIBUTION, AGAIN, NOT MUCH TO THE EAST.
YOU'RE GONNA BE DISTRIBUTING GOODS THAT ARE TERMINATING IN THE HOUSTON MSA IN THE POPULATION CENTERS, ALL AGAIN TO THE WEST OF THE SITE.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE MAIN REQUEST IS PRO WAS TO PROVIDE TRAFFIC DATA.
HOW IS THIS GONNA IMPACT THE IMMEDIATE AREA? WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE UH, WE'VE COMMISSIONED, UH, VOID AND ASSOCIATES, TONY VOIGHT WHO UM, LITERALLY WROTE THE BOOK ON UH, THE TRIP GENERATION MANUAL 11TH EDITION FOR ITE, WHICH IS THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS.
HE'S AN AUTHOR AND A REVIEWER OF THAT STUDY.
AND HE PROVIDED A TRAFFIC STUDY TO US BASICALLY USING NATIONWIDE AVERAGES FOR THIS TYPE OF USE, UH, AND APPLYING THEM TO THIS SITE.
SO WHAT THAT DATA LOOKS LIKE IS THIS, AND THIS REALLY OUTLINES THE TRUCK TRAFFIC.
AND SO WE'LL TALK THROUGH, I KNOW THIS IS A LOT AND YOU CAN REVIEW IT SEPARATELY IF YOU LIKE, BUT THE MAIN TAKEAWAYS HERE IS THERE'S 162 DAILY TRUCK TRIPS COMING TO AND FROM THIS SITE.
IT'S AN AVERAGE OF 6.75 TOTAL TRIPS PER HOUR.
AND THE RANGE IS FROM ONE PER HOUR TO 15 AT PEAK HOURS.
85% OF THE TRAFFIC IS WESTBOUND BASED ON WHAT WE, WHAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT FROM REGIONAL LOCAL DISTRIBUTION IN PORT USERS.
SO WHAT WE'VE OUTLINED HERE IS THE HOW TRUCKS GET TO AND FROM THE SITE.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT INGRESS, WHICH IS THE BLUE LINE, IF IT'S COMING EASTBOUND ON I 10, YOU'RE GONNA EXIT JOHN MARTIN, MAKE THAT U-TURN AND ENTER THE SITE FROM THE FRONTAGE COMING EASTBOUND ON I 10, SORRY, WESTBOUND ON I 10.
YOU'RE GONNA EXIT JOHN MARTIN, TAKE THE FRONTAGE AND ENTER THE SITE.
IF YOU'RE LEAVING THE SITE, UH, HEADED WESTBOUND, WHICH AGAIN 85% OF THE TRAFFIC IS YOU GONNA LEAVE THE SITE AND IMMEDIATELY HIT THAT ON RAMP.
SO YOU'RE AVOIDING THOSE SCHOOLS, YOU'RE AVOIDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE CHURCHES, ET CETERA.
EASTBOUND TRAFFIC, WHICH IS THE BIG QUESTION MARK.
AGAIN, 15% OF THE TRAFFIC, WE'LL BE FOLLOWING THIS GREEN ROUTE, WHICH WOULD BE NORTH ON THIS PUB PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY EAST ON JONES ROAD AND SOUTH ON JOHN MARTIN.
SO THAT AGAIN, IT JUST ALLEVIATES ANY TRAFFIC THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY GO IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOLS, THE CHURCH OR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND THE ONE THING I POINT OUT IS BASED ON THIS DATA, THE EASTBOUND TRAFFIC THAT'S EXITING, WHICH IS THE ONLY TRAFFIC THAT'S GONNA GO TO JOHN MARTIN TOTALS 12 TRIPS PER DAY.
SO THAT'S AT MOST ONE TRUCK PER HOUR GOING DOWN JOHN MARTIN.
SO I THINK THE TAKEAWAY HERE IS WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO JUST REMOVE ANY INTERACTION OF TRUCK TRAFFIC WITH THE SCHOOLS, WITH THE CHURCH, WITH THE SENSITIVE AREAS ON THAT AREA.
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IDENTIFIED THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A MINIMAL IMPACT OF TRUCK TRAFFIC GOING DOWN JOHN MARTIN AS WELL.SO WITH THAT SAID, LOVE TO OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS AND ANYBODY HERE IS WELCOME TO ANSWER AS WELL.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE, THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, THE SHELTER TRAFFIC? THIS ONE? YES SIR.
SO RIGHT IN THAT CORNER, RIGHT AT JOHN MARTIN AND 10, THERE'S THE NEW CHICK-FIL-A, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND THEN BEHIND THAT IS THE SHELF CREDIT UNION AND WE HAVE THIS VACANT PROPERTY AND JOHN MARTIN IS STILL TWO LANES, RIGHT? YEAH.
I'M A REALTOR TOO, BUT YOU'RE BUILDING SOME PRETTY BIG BUILDINGS HERE.
AND TO SAY THAT, UM, UH, SIX TRUCKS PER HOUR TO START, THAT SOUNDS GOOD, BUT FOR 380,000 SQUARE FEET THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE TRUCK TRAFFIC AND I'M SURE YOU'RE GONNA GROW THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE, WHOEVER LEASES FROM YOU OR PURCHASE A SPACE, UM, THEY'LL WANT TO GROW THEIR BUSINESSES AND DRIVE AS MANY TRUCKS AS POSSIBLE.
'CAUSE WE HAVE 40,000 TRUCKS COMING OUTTA SHIP CHANNEL AS YOU KNOW, EVERY SINGLE DAY.
SO THIS LOCATION, UM, AND SOME OF OUR WAREHOUSES ARE 500,000 SQUARE FEET, HAVE FAR MORE THIS SIX PER HOUR.
SO I CAN, I, I APPRECIATE, UM, ALL THE STATISTICAL DATA, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE TRUCKS EVENTUALLY.
AND MY CONCERN IS THAT JOHN MARTIN IS ALREADY JUST TWO LANES AND IT'S SO NARROW IF YOU LIVE HERE, WE DRIVE IT EVERY DAY AND IT'S, IT'S RIDICULOUSLY NARROW FOR, FOR US THAT LIVE HERE.
UM, SO, AND AND TO TO ADD TRUCKS TO IT.
AND I APPRECIATE THE BUSINESS.
I LOVE DEVELOPMENT I THINK WOULD BE AN EXTRA BURDEN ON ON JOHN MARTIN.
I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE ROAD, UH, THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY GOING, UM, THAT TO JONES ROAD FROM 10.
UM, THANK YOU FOR EVEN CONSIDERING THAT.
UM, AND THEN ACROSS IS BUCKY'S RIGHT ON THE SOUTH? MM-HMM
MM-HMM
THE BOTTOM, A SMALL MAP ON THE MAP ON YOUR DESK.
SO ON THE BOTTOM LEFT OF THE, THIS IS THE SCHOOL, RIGHT? LEY COLLEGE AND THEN NEXT LEE COLLEGE IS HARLEM.
SO WE DON'T ANTICIPATE OR DO WE ANY, ANY TRUCKS COMING NEAR THE SCHOOL? THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION LAST.
I'M SORRY I RIGHT, I MISSED THAT.
I'M SORRY I MISSED ALL OF THAT LAST MONTH.
THAT'S WHY THEY CAME TO THE, THE EAST EASTBOUND EGRESS BECAUSE WE SAID WE, THEY CAN'T GO THAT WAY IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL.
SO WE, I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THAT.
WASN'T THE WHOLE POINT TO NOT USE JOHN MARTIN.
WELL, UM, AND, AND THOSE ROADS ARE NOT DESIGNED FOR 18 WHEELER TRAFFIC AND THERE'S NO TURNAROUND ON I 10 THAT IS ACCEPTABLE FOR LOGISTICS WAREHOUSE AND THEY'RE GONNA EVENTUALLY END UP GOING PAST THE SCHOOLS.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST NOT LOGICAL NOT TO, IT WANTS TO GET TO THE PORT, RIGHT? DON'T YOU HAVE TO GO YES.
THAT WAY TO GET TO, AND, AND IN TIME AS THE ECONOMY CHANGES, THE, THIS WAREHOUSE MAY BE USED FOR SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT WHERE WE SUPPLY BEAUMONT AND IT, IT'S JUST NOT A PRACTICAL PROJECT.
MY CONCERN IS ALSO THAT JOHN MARTIN, EVEN BEFORE, YOU KNOW, CHICK-FIL-A, YOU KNOW, BEEN ANOTHER SMALL BUSINESS, BUT EVEN BEFORE THAT WAS THERE, THE, THAT THAT EXIT, IF YOU DON'T EXIT, SOME PEOPLE START EXITING WADE.
'CAUSE JOHN MARTIN GETS SO BACKED UP AND MY FEAR IS IT'LL START BACKING INTO THE INTERSTATE BECAUSE THAT THAT'S A BUSY, BUSY INTERSECTION AND TO ADD THOSE 18 METER AND SURE.
CAN I ADDRESS SOME OF THAT PLEASE
I THINK THE, UH, THE REASON WHY, SO IN, IN TERMS OF AVOIDING THE SCHOOL, ALL WESTBOUND TRAFFIC COMING IN OR GOING OUT WOULD AVOID THE SCHOOL.
AND THAT'S 85% OF THE TRAFFIC.
SO NO MATTER WHAT THE NUMBER IS, A LARGE MAJORITY IS GONNA BE SERVING THE WEST, LEAVING THE WEST COMING FROM THE WEST.
SO THAT WOULD AVOID THE SCHOOL JOHN MARTIN ENTIRELY.
ANY INBOUND TRAFFIC WOULD AVOID JOHN MARTIN ENTIRELY.
UM, AND WOULD ENTER THE SITE FROM THE FRONTAGE.
SO YOU HAVE MINIMAL INTERACTION WITH FRONTAGE BEFORE YOU'RE ON A HIGHWAY IN ANY THOSE SCENARIOS.
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AND QUITE FRANKLY, IF THERE IS A BEAUMONT REQUIREMENT THAT SERVES BEAUMONT, THEY'RE JUST NOT GONNA LEASE HERE.'CAUSE THEY KNOW THAT TENANT WILL KNOW IT'S NOT FEASIBLE FOR US TO GET EAST AND Y'ALL CAN, THEY JUST WILL NOT BE GUARANTEE THAT I I MEAN THAT'S, I I DON'T, I, NO, I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT.
I KNOW THEY CAN'T GUARANTEE ANYTHING.
BUT A TENANT IS GONNA OBVIOUSLY GONNA VALUE THE LOGISTICS OF DISTRIBUTING TO THE POPULATION THEY'RE DISTRIBUTING TO.
AND IF THEY CAN'T EFFECTIVELY GET EAST, THEY'RE NOT GONNA LEASE THIS BUILDING.
SO THE, THE HIGH LIKELIHOOD WOULD BE ONE OF THE USES THAT I MENTIONED.
ALL OF THEM AVOID THOSE SENSITIVE AREAS BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING ON AN ON-RAMP BEFORE YOU EVEN INTERACT WITH THEM.
THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM THE CITY OR FROM THIS COUNCIL LAST TIME WAS TO ADD JONES ROAD SO THAT THAT SMALL PERCENTAGE OF TRAFFIC THAT IS GOING EASTBOUND CAN USE A MORE EFFECTIVE ROUTE THAT AVOIDS THAT SENSITIVE AREA.
AND WITH THE DATA, WHICH WAS AGAIN COMPILED BY A THIRD PARTY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWS THE STANDARDS THAT ANY TRAFFIC ASSESSMENT WOULD GO BY SAYS THAT THERE'S 12 TRUCKS PER DAY GOING DOWN JOHN MARTIN THAT WAY.
BUT I HEAR YOUR CONCERN ABOUT 1212 IS JUST THAT SMALL PERCENTAGE OF EASTBOUND EXITING TRAFFIC.
THERE'S GONNA BE 162 TRUCKS DAILY.
MOST OF THEM WILL VERY EFFICIENTLY GET ON AND OFF THE FREEWAYS.
SO THE DISCUSSION LAST MONTH, AND PARDON ME IF I'M ASKING FOR A REPEAT, WAS TO NOT USE JOHN MARTIN IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY.
AND SO THE USE OF THIS PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IS, IS THERE, ONCE YOU, ONCE YOU GO SOUTH, IS THERE AN ENTRANCE TO GET ON TENT, LIKE TO CROSSOVER AND GET ON TENT ON YES, CORRECT.
THERE'S A OKAY, THERE'S AN ON RAMP BEFORE YOU, YOU GET TO THE SCHOOL.
AND THE DISCUSSION WAS PREVIOUSLY BASED ON THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, WE DID NOT SUGGEST USING JOHN MARTIN ROAD, WE ACTUALLY DID NOT HAVE JONES ROAD ON THE PLAN.
WE HAD ALL TRAFFIC GOING DIRECTLY TO THE FEEDER SO THAT SMALL PERCENTAGE OF TRUCKS THAT WAS GOING EASTBOUND WOULD HAVE TO GO BY THOSE SCHOOLS.
AND SO THE FEEDBACK WAS LET'S AVOID THAT.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY AWAY FROM THOSE SCHOOLS.
SO ALTHOUGH IT'S 12 TRUCKS A DAY, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT THAT WAS NOT ACCEPTABLE AND SO JOHN MARTIN WAS THE MOST ACCEPTABLE OPTION.
AND THE TRAFFIC STUDY SHOWS THAT AT FROM EIGHT TO EIGHT THERE'S ONE TRUCK AN HOUR GOING DOWN.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE? SURE.
I LOVE YOUR STUDY, BUT WE DRIVE TO TRAFFIC EVERY DAY.
UM, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE DISRESPECTFUL IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER.
TRYING TO MAKE IT WORK FOR YOU AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
SO IF WE, AND I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD, IF WE TOOK JOHN MAR MARTIN OFF THE MAP OUT OF THE PROJECT AT AND JONES ROAD, IS IT FEASIBLE FOR YOU TO JUST GET OFF 10 AND COME UP THE FEEDER THE RIGHT OF WAY AND JUST USE THAT AS THE ONLY ACCESS? UM, IT IS FEASIBLE, BUT AGAIN THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD MAKE ANY EASTBOUND TRAFFIC GO BY THE SENSITIVE AREAS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S THE ONLY WAY FOR 'EM TO GET AROUND.
SO, I MEAN, BUT IF, IF, IF, IF, IF WE'RE DRIVING EAST RIGHT AND WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO GET OFF ON JOHN MARTIN, IS THAT CORRECT? AND MAKE A U-TURN.
SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE DRIVING EASTBOUND ON I 10, YOU'D EXIT JOHN MARTIN, YOU'D STAY IN THE LEFT LANE, WHICH IS A DEDICATED U-TURN LANE, RIGHT? SO THE BACKUP YOU'D, YOU'D HAVE, YOU HAVE YOUR OWN LANE THERE, YOU GET IN THE U-TURN LANE, YOU U-TURN UNDER I 10 ON JOHN MARTIN BACK TO THE FRONTAGE.
SO WE'RE GETTING OFF MARTIN, WE'RE DRIVING PAST BUCKY'S AND FLIPPING AROUND.
SO YOU EXIT BEFORE BUCKY'S AND THERE'S A DEDICATED U-TURN LANE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
LEMME LOOK UP MY MAP IF I MAY, WHILE SHE'S LOOKING AT HER MAP.
I REMEMBER ALL OF THIS CONVERSATION VERY WELL.
SO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING AND THANK YOU FOR, FOR MAKING THESE CHANGES AND FOR SPENDING THE MONEY TO DO SO.
UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS ON THE TABLE WAS CAN WE WIDEN JOHN MARTIN BECAUSE THAT WAS THE BIG ISSUE.
SO IT, HAS THERE BEEN DISCUSSION ON HOW TO MAKE THOSE ROADS MORE ACCEPTABLE FOR TRUCK TRAFFIC? WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE EDC WITH THE TIERS ABOUT A PARTNERSHIP THAT WOULD INCLUDE WIDENING JOHN MARTIN ROAD AND IN FACT IT'S IN THEIR PLAN AND IN THEIR BUDGET TO DO SO.
WE'RE HAPPY TO COORDINATE THAT.
THAT'S KIND OF THE NEXT STEP IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IS TAKING THIS DATA WHICH WILL BE, UH, PRESENTED TO THE CITY AND THE APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES TO COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN ON ALL OF THESE, THEIR AFFAIRS, RIGHT? SO IF ANY IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED, THEY WILL BE MADE AND OUR DEVELOPMENT WILL BE SUBJECT TO THOSE IMPROVEMENTS BEING MADE.
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OTHER WORDS, IF THE CITY, IF THAT, IF THAT STUDY FINDS THAT JOHN MARTIN NEEDS TO BE WIDENED, IT WILL BE WIDENED OR WE WON'T BUILD.AND THE STUDY IS CONDUCTED BY WHOM? BY THE THIRD PARTY? IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S CONDUCTED BY THE GENTLEMAN THAT WROTE THE INSTITUTE FOR TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS? NO, IT'S A DIFFERENT HARRIS COUNTY.
IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE DATA PROVIDED BY A THIRD PARTY LIKE THE, LIKE WE HAVE HERE AND THEN IT'LL BE REVIEWED BY THE APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES, INCLUDING THE CITY ONE,
USUALLY THE WAY THE PROCESS GOES FOR THIS ONCE IT MOVES FORWARD IS THEY'LL SUBMIT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
WE'LL EVALUATE THE DATA THAT THEY SAY, KIND OF CONFIRM THAT IT LINES UP WITH WHAT'S REALLY SHOWN THERE BASED ON THE WAY THE TRAFFIC'S FLOWING.
WE'LL LOOK AT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, PRETTY MUCH HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS THERE, WHAT THEY'RE ADDING TO IT.
AND BASED ON THAT IS WHAT THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE MADE, UM, THE IMPROVEMENTS CAN BE MADE, LET'S SAY THOSE STRICTLY HAVE TO IMPROVE TO MITIGATE FOR WHAT THEY ARE IMPACTING.
OR THE OTHER WAY THAT'S ALSO BEEN DONE IS, UM, SOMETIMES THE CITY HAS THAT INTEREST IN IMPROVING IT, UH, ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE IMPACT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE.
AND WE WILL KIND OF TEAM UP TO MAKE THE ROAD BETTER FOR JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, UM, LET'S SAY IF, UH, JOHN MART, UH, IS CURRENTLY TWO ROADS, THEY MAY NEED TO ADD A WIDER TURN LANE OR THINGS LIKE THAT AT A DECELERATION LANE.
UM, WE EITHER CITY MAY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'D RATHER ADD A, A WHOLE LANE, YOU KNOW, THE FULL LENGTH FROM I 10 TO JONES ROAD AND THAT WILL BE WHERE WE KIND OF COME UP WITH AN AGREEMENT LIKE THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR PORTION AND THE CITY PAYS FOR, FOR UH, A PORTION OF IT.
AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE A, THE BEST WAY I SEE IT AS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT WHERE WE, THE CITY PUT IN SOME MONEY FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS THEY PUT IN AND PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY KIND OF, THEY BENEFIT 'CAUSE THEY CAN DEVELOP THE AREA AND THEN THE RESIDENTS ALSO GET A BETTER ROAD, UH, FOR THAT AREA.
UM, I DO KNOW SOME OF THE INFORMATION I WILL ADD IS THE CITY IS EVALUATING, UM, SEVERAL INTERSECTIONS ON I 10 AND UH, JOHN MARTIN IS ONE OF THEM.
UM, I KNOW ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD WAS ESSENTIALLY TEAMING UP SO THAT WE COULD, LET'S SAY SOME OF THE, UH, THEY WOULD HELP US WITH SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS SO THAT IT WOULD, UH, HELP THE CITY AND HELP THEM WITH REGARDS TO DEVELOPING THIS PROJECT.
LEMME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
CRAIG, I HAD TO REHASH SOMETHING, BUT WOULD YOU GO OVER AGAIN INCOMING TRUCK ROUTES? YES MA'AM.
SO INGRESS, THE, THE, THE BLUE LINES ON THIS GRAPH.
SO IF YOU'RE HEADING EASTBOUND ON I 10, YOU EXIT JOHN MARTIN, WHICH PUTS YOU KIND OF JUST BLUE WHERE IT KIND OF JOGS OVER.
SO YOU'RE PAST, ONE OF THE BUCKY'S INTEREST IS YOU STAY IN THE LEFT LANE AND THERE'S A DEDICATED U-TURN LANE.
SO YOU GO BACK UNDER I 10 BACK ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD AND COME IN EITHER THE PRIVATE DRIVE OR THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THAT'S COMING FROM THE EASTBOUND, THAT'S WHERE A MAJORITY OF THE TRUCK TRAFFIC WILL BE COMING FROM.
AND THEN IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE EAST WESTBOUND, YOU EXIT JOHN MARTIN, STOP AT THAT LIGHT, CONTINUE THROUGH ON THIS FRONTAGE ROAD AND ENTER INTO EITHER THE PRIVATE DRIVE OR THE NEW PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY ON THE SITE.
ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT EXIT OFF OF I 10 BY BUCKY'S BACKS UP ALL THE WAY TO THE EXIT ALREADY.
'CAUSE I'VE BEEN IN IT NUMEROUS TIMES.
UM, THE EXIT TO JOHN MARTIN COMING WEST DOES ALMOST THE SAME THING.
AND IT HAS A, A RIGHT TURN LANE.
SO THAT MEANS THAT YOU HAVE A LEFT TURN LANE, YOU HAVE ONE SINGLE LANE GOING STRAIGHT AND THEN THE RIGHT TURN LANE, IT BACKS UP BADLY.
I THINK IT'S A MAJOR UNDERSTOOD CONCERN.
UNDERSTOOD TRAFFIC WISE IN THAT AREA.
AND AGAIN, THE, THE, THE CITY WILL PARTNER WILL PARTNER WITH THE CITY TO IMPROVE THOSE AREAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN APPROPRIATELY ADDRESS THAT.
MY COLLEAGUES CAN HELP AND HOPEFULLY HELP ME OUT.
HOPEFULLY THE NET, THE NET IS A BENEFIT TO THE CITY AS WELL IS KIND OF THE HOPE OF WHY WE WOULD PARTNER WITH THE TIERS IS TO OFFSET ANY OF OUR TRAFFIC AND HOPEFULLY ADD CAPACITY FOR ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC VIA MORE LANES, TURN LANES, LEFT HAND LANES, DESAL LANES, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
IF MY COLLEAGUES CAN HELP ME OUT.
IF, IF, IF THAT THE ORANGE WESTBOUND EGRESS, IF THERE'S AN ENTRANCE RIGHT THERE AND THEY JUMP ON I 10, THE TRUCKS JUMP ON I 10, THEY'LL MISS THE SCHOOL ENTIRELY, CORRECT? MM-HMM
IT GOES, IT GOES RIGHT, RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO LEE COLLEGE OR RIGHT AT LEE COLLEGE? YEAH.
SO THERE'S AN ENTRANCE THERE, THERE'S TWO ENTRANCES.
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CHICK-FIL-A AND THEN ANOTHER ONE BEFORE YOU GET, IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF GOOSE CREEK.WHICH WHAT THE, THIS UH, WESTBOUND, EQUI OR ON THE WEST? NO, IT'S RIGHT THERE.
IT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE EAST SIDE.
IT'S ON THE, BECAUSE BRUCE CREEK RUNS RIGHT THERE TO THE LEFT, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT WHERE GOES CREEK? YES.
YOU SPEAKING OF THE GOOSE CREEK OR THE SCHOOL? THE UH, THE, THE, THE CREEK ITSELF ITSELF.
IT IS THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE.
IT'S THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE NEAR MAP IN GIS.
YOU WANT ME TO, I'M GONNA PULL UP ONE OF THE MAPS IF THAT'S FINE WITH YOU.
SO THE DEVELOPMENT, JUST SO THAT, UH, HERE GOES JOHN MARTIN, THE PINK IS I 10.
THE DEVELOPMENT IS IN THIS AREA.
UH, GOOSE CREEK IS THIS RIGHT HERE.
SO THE OWN RAMP IS AFTER LEE COLLEGE.
THIS WOULD BE LEE COLLEGE AND THEN THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE THE SCHOOL, THE JUNIOR HIGH.
YOU SPEAKING UP WAS EAST RIGHT THERE.
FOR THE SLOW ONES ON THE COMMISSION.
DO YOU WANT ME TO ZOOM IN? SO YOU GOT ONE BACK THERE AND YOU GOT ONE RIGHT HERE.
WHEN THEY LEAVE THE PROPERTY, SHE WANTS TO, THEY LEAVE YOU TO RUN THE ARROW ALONG I 10 UNTIL IT GETS BACK ON IT'S YEAH, YEAH, SO RIGHT ISN'T THEY WOULD, LET'S SAY THEY WOULD EXIT HERE AND HOP ON, UH, I 10 ON THE SO IT IS AWAY FROM THE SCHOOL? YEAH, IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE BEFORE THE SCHOOL OF THE CREEK.
THE OTHER THING IS, UM, WHEN THEY DO SUBMIT PLANS AS PART OF THE TIA, WE DO REVIEW IT AND THAT'S USUALLY THE STAGE WHERE WE DO EVALUATE HOW MANY LANES EACH ONE OF 'EM HAS TO BE DONE, WHAT INTERSECTIONS HAVE TO BE IMPROVED.
THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE THINGS TO, UH, CONSIDER.
UM, THE OTHER THING, EVEN IF THIS DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT OCCUR, UM, BECAUSE IT IS I 10 AND IT IS A INTERSTATE, UH, TEXT DOT DOES ALLOW, UM, 18 WHEELERS TO DRIVE.
SO AS IT IS CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW 18 WHEELERS TO DRIVE THROUGH THIS AREA, UM, THAT WOULD BE, I'M JUST KIND OF LIKE GIVING Y'ALL THAT INFORMATION THAT IT IS NOT LIKE IT WOULDN'T BE A NEW CONDITION OF THEM ADDING, LET'S SAY 18 WHEELER PER SE BECAUSE 18 WHEELERS ARE ALREADY DRIVING.
UM, CAN YOU, CAN YOU SCOOT IT DOWN TO WADE? CAN YOU SCOOT THIS MAP TO WADE WEST? YEAH, THERE WE UM, IT WOULD BE RIGHT HERE.
IS THAT FEASIBLE FOR AN 18 WHEELER TO DO A U-TURN? IT IT COULD BE.
UH, ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT'S SOMETIMES EVALUATED IN AN INTERSECTION LIKE THIS WOULD BE, LET'S SAY ADDING AN ADDITIONAL LANE SO THAT IT CAN IMPROVE THE INTERSECTION.
UM, I KNOW I'VE SEEN 18 WHEELER DRIVE DOWN THAT AREA JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE, UH, BUSINESSES THAT DO REQUIRE IT.
WOULD THEY HAVE TO USE THAT? WOULD THEY HAVE TO USE BLADES? I IF IF THEY, I MEAN IF YOU'RE IN A CAR AND YOU'RE WANTING TO GO SOMEWHERE, DO YOU USUALLY ASK ANYBODY WHICH WAY TO GO?
I MEAN, BUT, BUT THE TRUCKS HAVE TO, I MEAN THERE'S GONNA BE TRUCKS THAT DO YEAH, GO AHEAD.
UH, AND ANOTHER THING, AND I DIDN'T MENTION BRING THIS BACK UP AGAIN IN THE PRESENTATION, SO I APOLOGIZE, BUT JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE ON IT.
SO LAST MONTH WE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE P AND Z FOR THE, UH, AMENDMENT, FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR WAREHOUSES TO REQUIRE THAT THAT STILL HASN'T GONE BEFORE COUNCIL.
AND SO THAT IS A NEW POLICY, THAT'S A NEW THING WE'RE DOING, UH, CURRENTLY IN OUR CODE.
WAREHOUSES LIKE THIS ARE PERMITTED, PERMITTED WITH CONDITIONS IN GC AND TYPICALLY HOW THAT HAPPENS IS THOSE COME IN AND THEY WOULD SUBMIT FOR A PERMIT.
AND THEN WE'RE, WE GO THROUGH ALL THESE SPECIAL STUDIES AND THESE, UH, KIND OF UNDERSTANDINGS GOING THROUGH THE TRAFFIC, UH, JUAN'S, YOU KNOW, HIM AND HIS TEAM GET WITH THEIR ENGINEERING TEAM, THEY GO THROUGH ALL THAT AND THEY GO A LOT MORE IN DEPTH THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO ALL, ALL THAT INFORMATION.
SO THAT'S ALL STUFF THAT HAPPENS DURING THOSE DEVELOPMENT PHASES AND CURRENTLY IS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN JUST PERMITTED BY BY RIGHT WITH CONDITIONS.
SO THIS EXTRA STEP WITH THE SUP IS REALLY MEANT TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO SOLIDIFY A SITE PLAN AND PUT CONDITIONS ON IT.
IT'S LESS ABOUT THE ACTUAL, LIKE GETTING INTO THE DIRECTIONS OF WHERE THE TRAFFIC GOES.
'CAUSE THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION AND A LOT MORE DIRECTION WHEN A TIA IS ABLE TO GET DONE DURING DEVELOPMENT.
JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL, UH, CLEAR ON THAT ONE SINCE IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT SINCE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS PREVIOUSLY.
SO I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I'M HEARING FROM UP HERE IS HOW CAN YOU GUARANTEE, ASSUMING THAT WE CAN GET JOHN MARTIN WHERE WE NEED IT TO BE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, HOW CAN WE
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GUARANTEE THAT THE EASTBOUND TRAFFIC IS ACTUALLY GONNA FOLLOW SUIT? SO I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS.WE, UM, WE WILL COMMIT TO DOING WAYFINDING SIGNAGE.
SO ANY IT 10 EAST TRAFFIC ON THAT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, WE WILL HAVE WAYFINDING I 10 EAST, YOU KNOW, HEADED THIS WAY.
THE OTHER THING IS THERE'S NO TIME OR QUALITY ADVANTAGE TO TAKING THIS ROUTE.
SO ANY TRUCKER WHO'S DONE IT ONCE IS GONNA GO THE ROUTE THAT IS LESS TIME AND LESS ENCUMBER.
SO GOING IN FRONT OF THOSE SCHOOLS, HITTING THAT STOP SIGN, GOING TO THE TWO LANE DRIVE, STOPPING AGAIN, TURNING LEFT, TURNING ANOTHER LEFT TO GET EASTBOUND IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM.
AND SO IF THERE IS A ROAD TRUCKER WHO DOES THAT, FORTUNATELY THERE'S NO CROSSWALKS THERE, THERE'S FENCED IN AREAS SO THE SCHOOLS ARE SECURE.
IT MAY ADD A COUPLE OF TRUCKS OF TRAFFIC, IF YOU WILL.
BUT ONCE A TRUCKER DOES THAT, ONCE THEY WON'T DO IT AGAIN, THEY'RE GONNA HEAD TO THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE.
SO AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A GUARANTEE, THE PUBLIC ROADS, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN DO THAT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTIONS, WAY FINDING AND OF COURSE JUST, YOU KNOW, EFFICIENCY I THINK WE THINK WE KNOW WILL DRIVE TRAFFIC TO THE JOHN MARTIN, UH, EGRESS.
I LIKE ALL THE BUFFERS YOU HAVE ON THE PROPERTY, THEY'RE PRETTY AGGRESSIVE.
THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD THING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I AGREE THAT TRUCKERS FIND THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE.
SO I ACTUALLY, I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY WOULD GO TO WADE ROAD, FINGERS CROSSED.
UM, BUT UM, THE BUFFERING AND THE, UM, THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY I THINK, UM, MAKES THIS SALVAGEABLE IN MY MIND.
CRAIG, ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
TREVOR, YOU WANT MORE? NOPE, I'M JUST, I'LL CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER MOTION.
SO WE HAVE TO READ THE SCRIPT NOW.
YEAH, SO I THINK THE FIRST ONE WOULD PROBABLY, IF YOU'RE GONNA READ ONE OF THE MOTIONS, THAT WOULD BE THE ONE TO READ.
I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGES AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF WITH THE CONDITIONS.
I'M SORRY, WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO, SORRY.
IF YOU COULD CLARIFY WHEN YOU SAY WITH THE CONDITIONS, YOU JUST MEAN THE WAY THE STAFF.
THE STAFF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDED.
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? MM-HMM
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE SUP.
ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.
NOT ALL POSTS AND ANY ABSTENTIONS.
IF YOU'VE DONE, RAISE YOUR HANDS.
IF YOU'VE DONE ALL, UH, IN FAVOR, YOU ALSO NEED TO DO ALL OPPOSED OR ANY ABSTENTIONS.
PARDON? IF IF YOU'RE GONNA ALL THOSE OPPOSED YOU'VE DONE.
UM, YOU'VE ASKED FOR ALL THAT ARE, UM, IN FAVOR.
WE, WE NEED TO ALSO ASK WHO'S OPPOSED AND WHO'S ABSTAINING.
ALL OPPOSED, ACCORDING IF I'M CORRECT, THAT MEANS IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH.
DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? DO YOU WANNA ADD THERES ANOTHER MOTION.
IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION TO MOTION FOR ANYTHING? I THINK WE'RE KILLING THINK CONCERNING THIS, UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER WALTERS.
I MOVE TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND DENY APPLICATION FOR ZONING.
ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.
WE'RE KILLING DEAD HORSE HERE.
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OKAY.[5. CONSENT]
TO CONSENT.WE HAVE TWO ITEMS. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, NOW IS YOUR CHANCE.
OTHERWISE WE'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT.
DO YOU HEAR A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT.
DO YOU GET BOTH OF THOSE NAY? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.
[6. DIRECTOR'S REPORT]
OUR LAST ITEM IS DIRECTOR'S REPORT.RYAN, DO YOU HAVE SOME ITEMS? JUST A, A FEW.
UM, JUST KIND OF UPDATES ON THE THINGS THAT, UH, THE PLANNING STAFF IS WORKING ON.
UM, WE ARE CONTINUING OUR WORK ON THE ULBC.
UM, SO STAFF HAS BEEN REVIEWING, UM, SEVERAL MODULES ON THAT AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH OTHER CITY STAFF TO REVIEW THOSE AS WELL.
UM, SO, UH, WE ARE CONTINUING THAT.
WE HAVE ANOTHER REVIEW, I BELIEVE NEXT WEEK.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL GET OUR COMMENTS BACK TO THE CONSULTANT AND HAVE THEM KIND OF PUT IT ALL TOGETHER AND, UH, KEEP MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT PROCESS.
UM, WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH, UM, KKC TO, UH, FINALIZE HOPEFULLY A CONTRACT TO DO OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS WELL AS A DOWNTOWN PLAN.
UH, WE'RE GONNA LUMP THAT ALL TOGETHER, UM, IN ONE DOCUMENT THAT SHOULD GO TO COUNCIL HERE IN AUGUST, UH, FOR THEIR APPROVAL.
AND WE'LL GET STARTED WITH THAT.
SO, UM, LOTS OF KIND OF LONG RANGE PLANNING STUFF THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, BUT, UH, TAKING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, KIND OF GET SOME OF THESE THINGS, UH, MOVING.
SO NOW THAT WE'RE FULLY STAFFED.
ANY QUESTIONS OF BRIAN? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR OUR ATTORNEY.
SO IT, WHEN IS IT, IS IT, AND IT OBVIOUSLY IS APPROPRIATE BECAUSE YOU GAVE US THIS SHEET OF PAPER FOR EACH OF US INDIVIDUALLY TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I THOUGHT, UM, THE CHAIRPERSON CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE MOVED TO VOTE.
IT'S INTERESTING 'CAUSE WHEN I FIRST SAW IT DONE THE OPPOSITE WAY, I WAS LIKE, OH, BUT I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS SPLIT IN HERE AS LONG AS YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO YOU COULD DO IT BEFORE YOU GO INTO THE MOTION.
IT'S HOWEVER YOU PREFER AND THAT'S WHY IT'S RECOMMENDED.
YOU CAN DO IT ANY WAY YOU WANT.
THAT'S THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I THINK WE'RE DONE.