Jun 20, 2023 Planning and Zoning Commission

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PATIENT REGULAR

[1. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL]

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TAMMY.

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MS. HELEN HERE.

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UH, SECOND

[a. Consider approving the meeting minutes of the May 16, 2023, Planning and Zoning Commission regular meeting.]

UH, THE MINUTES.

WE'RE GONNA DO, DO THE MINUTES FIRST.

OKAY.

CONSIDER APPROVING THE MEETING MINUTES OF MAY 16TH, 2023.

PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

REGULAR MEETING.

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WE HAVE A CHANGE TO OUR AGENDA.

[a. Present and discuss findings of the Housing Needs Assessment report.]

THANK YOU.

SO, UM, IF YOU REMEMBER BACK A FEW MONTHS, WE HAD, UH, FROM THE STAFF SIDE OF THINGS, HAD HAD SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING HOW, WHERE WAS HOUSING GOING, UH, FOR THE CITY OF BAYTOWN OVER THE, THE NEXT, OVER THE NEAR FUTURE, THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

SO WE DID, UH, WE DID CONTRACT WITH A CONSULTANT OUT OF SAN DIEGO, UM, ATRIA PLANNING, AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED US WITH A REPORT, UH, REGARDING THAT HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR THE CITY.

AND, UH, WE HAVE REBECCA ROTHENBERG ON THE ZOOM.

OKAY.

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AND, UH, SHE'S GONNA GO AHEAD AND DO, UH, SHE'S GONNA PRESENT THE FINDINGS OF THAT STUDY, UM, AT WHICH TIME YOU'LL, WHEN SHE'S COMPLETED WITH THE, THE PRESENTATION, UH, YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS.

UM, THIS WILL BE GOING TO CITY COUNCIL ON THURSDAY FOR THEIR ADOPTION.

UM, THEY HAVE ALSO ALREADY HAD THE PRESENTATION OF THE FINDINGS.

SO WITH THAT, UM, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO REBECCA.

REBECCA, JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU WANT ME TO, UH, CHANGE THE SLIDES.

WE CANNOT HEAR YOU.

WE CANNOT HEAR YOU.

YOU NEED TO UNMUTE, PLEASE.

THERE YOU GO.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES.

PERFECT.

HELLO EVERYONE.

UH, MY NAME IS REBECCA ROTHENBERG WITH ATRIA PLANNING.

UM, I CONDUCTED THIS HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, UM, THINKING ABOUT HOUSING NEEDS AND HOUSING CHALLENGES OF THE EXISTING POPULATION, BUT ALSO LOOKING INTO, UM, YOUR SUPPLY DEMAND DYNAMICS, UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WAS A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS AN OVERSUPPLY OF RENTAL HOUSING.

UM, SO THAT BEING SAID, I THINK WE CAN JUMP IN, UM, UH, ALLOTTED MYSELF 10 TO 15 MINUTES.

SO I WILL, UM, FOCUS ON, UM, SOME OF THE HIGH LEVEL SLIDES AND THEN RUN THROUGH SOME OF THE DATA.

THE REPORT ALSO HAS, UM, MORE DETAILS OF THE DATA.

UM, SO I THINK WE TALKED A BIT ABOUT THIS, WHAT'S INCLUDED IN, IN THE HOUSING STUDY.

UM, AND I'LL, I'LL ALSO ADD THAT THERE ARE SOME GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT THAT WASN'T THE INTENT OF THE, THE STUDY, UM, ON HOW TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CHALLENGES.

UM, NEXT SLIDE.

YEAH, I'M NOT ABOUT THAT.

HERE YOU GO.

OKAY.

SO HERE ARE SOME OF THE KEY FINDINGS, AND THIS IS BASED ON, UH, A LOT OF DATA COLLECTION AND ANALYSIS AND ALSO, UM, SOME FIELD WORK, UM, AND LOOKING INTO SOME OF THE, THE REGIONAL TRENDS.

UM, AND THEN ALSO SOME OF THE TEXAS TRENDS.

UM, AND I'LL, I'LL PREFACE THIS AND ALSO SAYING THAT A LOT HAS HAPPENED, UM, SINCE COVID.

SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE JUST DON'T KNOW BECAUSE, UH, A LOT OF THE TRENDS OR FORECASTS ARE BASED ON HISTORIC DATA.

AND BECAUSE SO MUCH HAS CHANGED IN THE PAST, LIKE TWO, THREE YEARS, UM, WE DON'T HAVE STRONG TRENDS TO BASE THE FUTURE ON.

UM, THAT BEING SAID, WE DO USE FORECAST FROM, UM, ESRI BUSINESS ANALYST, AND I ALSO BROUGHT IN, UM, THE TEXAS POPULATION CENTERS FORECASTS, UM, AND THEN SOME OF THE EMPLOYMENT FORECASTS.

UM, SO

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UM, BAYTOWN IS A JOB CENTER.

SO WHILE IT IS A SUBURB, IT'S NOT THE TRADITIONAL BEDROOM COMMUNITY THAT SOME OTHER SUBURBS ARE, AND THEREFORE IT HAS, AND, AND NEARLY ALWAYS HAS HAD A SIGNIFICANT RENTER POPULATION.

UM, HOWEVER, IT'S STILL PREDOMINANTLY A COMMUNITY OF HOME OWNERSHIP.

AND OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, THE HOME OWNERSHIP RATE IS EXPECTED TO INCREASE.

UM, YOU'LL SEE IN SOME OF THE DATA, UM, THAT THE SHIFT IS TOWARDS MORE HOMEOWNERS AND HIGHER INCOME.

UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY, IT'S ACTUALLY LEANING MORE TOWARDS RENTAL HOUSING IN OTHER AREAS AND IN BAYTOWN, IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY, IT IS STILL LEANING MORE TOWARDS HOME OWNERSHIP.

UM, SO A LOT HAS HAPPENED IN TERMS OF BUILDING ACTIVITY IN THE PAST TWO YEARS, AND A LOT OF STARTS FOR, UM, THE BACKLOG OF APARTMENTS.

AND SO THERE'S JUST BEEN A TON OF, UM, CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY FOR MULTIFAMILY.

UM, I THINK IT'S AT 75,000 UNITS IN THE PIPELINE.

SO EARLIER IN, UM, 2022, THE VACANCY RATE WAS AT LIKE FOUR, FIVE, 6%.

THAT HAS GONE UP TO AROUND 10%.

UM, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH EVERYWHERE IN THE HOUSTON METRO AREA.

SO BAYTOWN ISN'T, UM, ISN'T A STANDOUT FOR VACANCY.

UM, AND THE VACANCY RATE HAS BEEN PRETTY LOW.

AND IT'S, IT IS PREDICTED, UM, THAT THE VACANCY RATE WILL DROP DOWN, UM, ONCE THE NEW UNITS ARE LEASED UP, UM, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH BEING, UM, PLACED IN SERVICE WITHIN THE PAST LIKE THREE TO SIX MONTHS.

UM, ONE THING THAT IS, UM, A U SOMEWHAT UNIQUE ELEMENT IN BAYTOWN IS THAT A LOT OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF MULTIFAMILY, UM, HAPPENED IN THE SEVENTIES, EIGHTIES.

AND SO YOU HAVE A, A LARGE SUPPLY OF MUCH OLDER UNITS.

UM, AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT COMPARISON OF NEW CONSTRUCTION IN BAYTOWN VERSUS OTHER AREAS OF THE HOUSTON METRO, UM, BAYTOWN IS ACTUALLY PRETTY SLOW IN NEW CONSTRUCTION.

UM, COMPARED TO, UM, OTHER PLACES IN THE US THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

BUT COMPARED TO OTHER AREAS OF HOUSTON AND OTHER AREAS OF TEXAS, UM, NOT A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST 20 YEARS.

UM, SO YOU HAVE A MUCH OLDER HOUSING STOCK, UM, AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, UM, LATER ON, BUT THAT HAS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, UM, IMPACT ON, UM, THE HOUSING SUPPLY AND THE DEMAND AND CAPTURING PART OF THE REGIONAL GROWTH.

UM, AT THE SAME TIME, UH, THERE ARE AFFORDABILITY CHALLENGES FOR THE LOWER INCOME HOUSEHOLDS.

UM, YOU HAVE A LOT OF, UM, LOWER WAGE WORKERS.

UM, BAYTOWN IN PARTICULAR HAS, UH, UM, HIGH LO LOCATION QUOTIENT, UM, WHICH SIGNIFY, UM, OCCUPATIONAL OR INDUSTRY, UM, STRENGTHS WITHIN LOWER PAYING JOBS.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF RETAIL JOBS, A LOT OF FOOD SERVICE JOBS, UM, AND A LOT OF JANITORIAL JOBS, WHICH, UM, BASED ON AVERAGE WAGES, UM, ARE LOWER AND WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO AFFORD.

UM, UM, THE MARKET RATE NEWER UNITS AND ALSO WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO ACCESS HOME OWNERSHIP.

SO IN TERMS OF LIKE AFFORDABILITY CHALLENGES, OVERALL BAYTOWN IS AFFORDABLE, BUT THE LOWER WAGE WORKERS STILL STRUGGLE.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO ARE THERE TOO MANY RENTAL UNITS? UM, THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO.

THE VACANCY RATE IS ON PAR WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES IN HOUSTON.

UM, THERE'S ANTICIPATED TO BE VERY STRONG JOB GROWTH IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

UM, THEY'RE TO HAVE THESE NEW UNITS ABSORBED.

UM, HISTOR, LIKE IN THE PAST FEW YEARS, BAYTOWN HAS NOT HAD HIGH APARTMENT VACANCY RATES.

UM, AND THE GROWTH IN HOUSTON AND TEXAS IN GENERAL IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE POST COVID, UM, BECAUSE OF THIS SHUFFLING OF WHERE PEOPLE ARE ARE LIVING.

UM,

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UM, AND AT THE SAME TIME, YOUR BUILDING ACTIVITY IS LEANING TOWARDS HOME OWNERSHIP, NOT RENTAL HOUSING, UM, COMPARED TO OTHER AREAS WHERE IT'S LEANING TOWARDS RENTAL HOUSING OVER HOME OWNERSHIP.

UM, THAT BEING SAID, YOU DO HAVE, UM, TOO MANY RENTAL UNITS THAT ARE FUNCTIONALLY OBSOLETE.

UM, SO THESE ARE OLDER PROPERTIES, UM, THAT DON'T HAVE THE AMENITIES, UM, OR STRUCTURE THAT ARE IN DEMAND, UM, FROM THE CURRENT MARKET.

SO NOT LIKE SECURED PARKING, MAYBE PEOPLE WERE CEILINGS, MAYBE NOT IN UNIT, UM, WASHER DRYERS, OUTDATED HVAC SYSTEMS, UM, AND SO FORTH.

SO, UM, THERE IS AN OVERSUPPLY OF OF PRODUCT THAT IS JUST NOT DESIRABLE.

BUT IN TERMS OF, UM, MULTI-FAMILY THAT'S BEEN BUILT IN THE PAST 20 YEARS, UM, YOU ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE THAT MANY COMPARED TO OTHER AREAS.

UM, AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE VACANCY RATES OF YOUR CLASS A PROPERTIES, UM, THEY WERE MUCH LOWER THAN, UM, YOUR OLDER PROPERTIES.

AND THAT IS, UM, SIMILAR TO, UM, THE MARKET IN GENERAL, THE HOUSTON MARKET, WHERE YOUR CLASS A PROPERTIES ARE DOING MUCH BETTER THAN CLASS B, CLASS C MULTIFAMILY.

NEXT SLIDE.

UM, AND NOW IS THERE A RENTAL HOUSING SHORTAGE? UM, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED.

UM, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL JUST TRY TO DESCRIBE IT BASED ON, UM, MARKET DEMAND AND CAPTURE RATES.

SO THE SHORTER ANSWER IS YES AND NO.

UM, BASED ON POPULATION GROWTH PROJECTIONS OR BAYTOWN ONLY, UM, THERE IS NO RENTAL HOUSING SHORTAGE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT SHOWING A LOT OF GROWTH.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE FORECASTS ARE BASED ON HISTORIC TRENDS BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T BEEN BUILDING A LOT, THE FORECASTS AREN'T SHOWING A LOT OF FOLKS MOVING INTO BAYTOWN.

THEY ARE SHOWING A REALLY SIGNIFICANT GROWTH IN THE REGION, AND THEY'RE PREDICTING THAT IT'S GONNA GO TO OTHER PLACES THAT HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN BUILDING A LOT OF, UM, HOUSING AND MULTI-FAMILY.

UM, IF YOU WERE TO BUILD MORE PRODUCTS, UM, PARTICULARLY, UM, UH, MULTIFAMILY ALONG WITH HOME OWNERSHIP WITHIN THE, UM, MIDDLE AND MIDDLE, UPPER, UH, PRICE RANGE, UM, WE CAN EXPECT THAT THAT WILL BE ABSORBED BECAUSE OF THE STRONG DEMAND REGIONALLY.

UM, SO THAT BEING SAID, UM, YOU HAVE, UM, AN OVERSUPPLY OF OLDER PROPERTIES AND YOU HAVE, UM, I WOULD SAY COMPARED TO OTHER AREAS OF SHORTAGE OF NEWER PROPERTIES, AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF THAT REGIONAL GROWTH GOING TO WHEREVER THOSE NEWER MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES ARE, ARE BEING BUILT.

UM, SO I, I WOULD SAY IT IS, IT'S A, IT'S A STRONG MISSION TO ATTRACT NEW DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF MOBILITY WITHIN THE COUNTY AND REGION FOR WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO AND THERE'S A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY GOING ON, BUT IF DEVELOPERS ARE BUILDING NEWER PRODUCT, WE CAN ANTICIPATE THAT THOSE WILL BE THESE STUFF.

AND IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, YOU'LL BE ATTRACTING PEOPLE TO LIVE IN THE AREA THAT DON'T NECESSARILY WORK IN THE AREA, AND SO THAT IT HAS SOME ECONOMIC BENEFITS AS WELL.

UM, OKAY.

NEXT SLIDE.

UM, I THINK WE CAN GO THROUGH THESE, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY QUICKLY, UM, BUT JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, UM, THAT THE, THE YELLOW BAR IS BAYTOWN AND, UM, YOU CAN SEE OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE STRENGTH IN YOUR MINING AND CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE, UM, A SIGNIFICANT, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF YOUR POPULATION WORKING IN THE ACCOMMODATION FOOD SERVICE INDUSTRIES AND IN RETAIL.

UM, AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE LOWER PAYING JOBS.

SO YOU HAVE, UM, UH, A PRETTY WIDE, UM, DIVERSE POPULATION, BUT IT IS LEANING TOWARDS, UM, UH, BLUE COLLAR AND SERVICE INDUSTRY JOBS.

THAT BEING SAID, UM, NEXT SLIDE.

UM, OH, I SHOULD PREFACE THIS IN, LIKE JUST GIVING YOU LIKE A BACKGROUND ON WHAT THE TERMS MEAN WHEN TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABILITY.

AND WE BREAK IT INTO LESS THAN 30% A MI, 30 TO 50% AT MI AND 50 TO 80% A-M-I-A-M-I,

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AND THIS IS THE HUB DEFINITION FOR, UM, LOW INCOME CATEGORIES.

AND WE'RE A LOT OF THE HOUSING PROGRAMS, UM, CAN GO TOWARDS, UM, AND, AND WE CAN SEE THAT, UH, AN INDIVIDUAL MAKING $30,000 IS STILL CONSIDERED VERY LOW INCOME BY HU DEFINITIONS.

AND AN INDIVIDUAL MAKING 50,000 IS CONSIDERED LOW INCOME BY DEFINITIONS.

UM, BUT WE CAN ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THESE ARE OFTENTIMES PROFESSIONALS WHO CONTRIBUTE QUITE A LOT TO, UM, THE LOCAL ECONOMY.

UM, IT'S JUST THAT THE PRICING MAY OR MAY NOT MATCH.

UM, AND THEN WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABILITY, IT'S BASED ON PAYING 30% LESS OF YOUR INCOME ON HOUSING.

I'M SORRY.

OKAY, I'LL GO ON.

UM, UH, SO THE THRESHOLD FOR WHERE IT'S PRETTY CHALLENGING TO AFFORD RENTAL HOUSING IS RIGHT AROUND THE 700 $800 MARK, AND THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF HOUSING, UM, RENTAL HOUSING PRICED AT THAT.

UM, AND THEN, UH, AFFORD OR HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, UM, YOU SHOULD BE PAYING LESS THAN 1100 FOR YOUR MORTGAGE, UM, IF YOU'RE IN THE VARIABLE INCOME CATEGORY.

UM, OKAY, NEXT SLIDE.

SO BASED ON THIS, UM, WE SEE THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF HOUSING CHALLENGES AMONG, UM, VERY LOW INCOME RENTERS.

SO RENTERS EARNING LESS THAN 50% A MI, UM, FOUR OUT OF FIVE RENTERS HAVE HOUSING CHALLENGES.

AND THEN IT'S PARTICULARLY SIGNIFICANT AMONG HOMEOWNERS EARNING LESS THAN 30% A MI.

UM, OFTENTIMES THESE ARE SENIORS ON FIXED INCOMES, UM, WHO HAVE MAINTENANCE PROBLEMS. UM, AND THEN ROUGHLY HALF OF FOLKS RUNNING LESS THAN 50% A MI WHO ARE HOMEOWNERS HAVE CHALLENGES.

NEXT SLIDE.

UM, THIS GIVES YOU THE BREAKDOWN OF, UM, INCOMES BY OWNER AND RENTER.

UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT HALF OF YOUR HOMEOWNERS MAKE MORE THAN A HUNDRED PERCENT OF A MI.

AND INTERESTINGLY, ALMOST 30% OF YOUR RENTERS EARN MORE THAN A HUNDRED PERCENT A MI.

UM, WHICH GOES BACK TO THE FACT THAT YOU ARE, UM, YOU HAVE STRENGTHS IN, UM, REFINERIES AND, UM, MANUFACTURING.

UM, AND A LOT OF THESE JOBS MAY NOT BE FOR HOME OWNERSHIP.

A LOT OF THE WORKERS ARE, UM, MOBILE.

AND SO THERE IS A DEMAND FOR HIGHER END RENTAL HOUSING AMONGST, UM, LOCAL WORKERS.

NEXT SLIDE.

UM, AND THIS JUST ILLUSTRATES THAT THAT BAYTOWN WALL IS A RENTER COMMUNITY.

IT IS STILL, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY HOME OWNERSHIP, UM, COMPARED TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS NORMAL FOR THE COUNTY FOR, FOR THE STATE.

UM, WHAT IS INTERESTING IS THAT IT'S, UH, IT'S LOWER, UM, FOR YOUR, UM, LARGER MULTI-FAMILY, UM, COMPARED TO THE COUNTY, AND IT'S HIGHER FOR YOUR SMALLER DEVELOPMENTS.

UM, SO YOUR FIVE TO 19 UNITS, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING AROUND THAT THERE ARE, UM, A GOOD NUMBER OF SMALLER COMPLEXES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, FROM A BIT, A BIT OLDER, A BIT DATED.

UM, OKAY, NEXT SLIDE.

AND THIS ILLUSTRATES HOW YOU HAVE A, A GLUT OF YOUR, UM, YOUR HOUSING, YOU KNOW, BUILT IN THE, IN THE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES, UM, OTHER PLACES IN THE STATE AND THE STATE AVERAGES IT, IT SHIFTS MORE TOWARDS NEWER UNITS.

UM, NEXT SLIDE.

I, I THINK LIKE THIS ISN'T, UM, AS, UH, RELEVANT, UM, FOR THE DISCUSSION AROUND MULTIFAMILY, BUT THE HOME OWNERSHIP MARKET, IT, IT'S, IT'S FALLEN A BIT BECAUSE OF, UM, INTEREST RATES GOING UP AND FEARS OF RECESSION AND A LOT OF THINGS THAT A LOT OF FOLKS ALREADY BOUGHT, UM, DURING THE SPIKE POST COVID.

UM, BUT IT'S STILL A, A HEALTHY MARKET.

SO HOMES ARE SELLING FOR CLOSE TO WHAT THEIR LIST AT, UM, AND THE PRICING

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SO THEY FOUND, AS A PART OF THE HOUSTON REGION IS, IS STILL GONNA BE LOOKED AT AS A, AS A GOOD PLACE TO, UM, FIND MODERATELY PRICED HOMES FOR SALE.

SO IT HAS THAT, THAT REPUTATION AND BASED ON STUFF THAT'S COMING ON THE MARKET, THAT'S STILL THE CASE, BUT YOU ARE, YOU ARE, UM, HAVING MORE HIGHER END PROPERTIES BEING BUILT AND THAT MATCHES THE FORECASTED DEMOGRAPHICS.

SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE A SHIFT IN INCOME AMONGST, UM, RESIDENTS.

NEXT SLIDE.

UM, AND THIS ILLUSTRATES, UM, THAT POINT THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S GONE UP ROUGHLY 50% IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, IT'S STILL, UM, RELATIVELY AFFORDABLE, YOU KNOW, COMPARED TO, UM, OTHER AREAS OF HOUSTON AND ESPECIALLY COMPARED TO THE US.

AND THIS GOES TO, THIS GOES BACK TO THE POINT OF FOLKS LEAVING, UM, HIGHER PRICE MARKETS OUTSIDE OF TEXAS AND MOVING TO TEXAS.

UM, AND, AND I CAN ATTEST TO THAT.

I HAVE, I HAVE FRIENDS WHO MOVED TO TEXAS FROM, UH, CALIFORNIA IN THE PAST FEW YEARS.

SO, UM, OR, UH, RENTAL HOUSING, I THINK WE WENT THROUGH SOME OF THIS, BUT, UM, VACANCY RATE HAS GONE UP A BIT THAT'S GOING TO STABILIZE.

UM, IT'S GONE OFF A BIT BECAUSE THERE'S JUST SO MUCH THAT HAS COME ONLINE BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION BOOM.

UM, IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

UM, THE, UM, THE INCREASE HAS BEEN, UM, LOWER THAN THE INCREASE IN THE COUNTY.

UM, SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOUR MULTIFAMILY CONSTRUCTION, UM, HAS NOT KEPT PACE WITH HARRIS COUNTY'S MULTIFAMILY CONSTRUCTION.

UM, AND YOUR NEW PROPERTIES ARE IN JUST A VERY DIFFERENT CLASS FROM YOUR OLDER PROPERTIES.

UM, THEY RENT AT A MUCH HIGHER RATE.

UM, THEY ATTRACT A DIFFERENT TYPE OF RENTER.

THEY HAVE A LOT MORE AMENITIES.

UM, AND YOU CAN JUST THINK OF IT AS LIKE TWO VERY DIFFERENT MARKETS.

AND SO YOUR NEW MULTIFAMILY CONSTRUCTION DOES NOT NECESSARILY COMPETE WITH YOUR OLDER CONSTRUCTION.

IT COMPETES WITH OTHER MULTIFAMILY CONSTRUCTION IN OTHER AREAS.

UM, SO BASED ON FORECASTS, YOU'RE NOT EXPECTED TO GROW IN YOUR POPULATION, IN YOUR RENTER POPULATION.

YOU ARE EXPECTED TO GROW IN YOUR, UM, HOME OWNERSHIP POPULATION.

UM, HOWEVER, REGIONALLY YOU'RE GOING TO GROW, WELL, WE HAVE DIFFERENT FORECASTS.

THE LOWER FORECAST IS 36,000 RENTERS OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

UM, THERE ARE HIGHER FORECASTS AS WELL.

UM, BUT I WENT WITH THE LOWER FORECAST TO UNDERSTAND ABSORPTION.

UM, SO THESE RENTERS ARE GOING TO BE MORE LIKELY HIGHER INCOME AND ARE GOING TO LOOK FOR NEWER PRODUCT.

AND SO THEY'RE GONNA GO WHERE THEY FIND IT IN AN AREA THAT IS CONVENIENT TO YOUR WORKPLACE.

UM, AND PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO COMMUTE A BIT LONGER, UM, IN HOUSTON METRO.

SO LIKE 30 TO 45 MINUTES IS A REASON, A REASONABLE, UM, MARKET AREA.

UM, AND SO BAYTOWN, IF IT DID HAVE NEW MULTIFAMILY WHO WOULD BE CAPTURING A PORTION OF THESE RENTERS.

NEXT SLIDE.

UM, JUST A SNAPSHOT OF, OF MARKET RENTS.

UM, IT HAS GONE UP NOT AS MUCH AS HOME OWNERSHIP.

WE DO SEE THE SPIKE, UM, IN THE, UH, RIGHT AROUND THE POST COVID.

UM, BUT IT'S NOT AS BEEN AS SIGNIFICANT OF A SPIKE AS US TRENDS.

SO AGAIN, A LOT OF FOLKS ARE MOVING INTO TEXAS AND INTO HOUSTON BECAUSE THE JOB GROWTH IS POSITIVE AND THE HOUSING IS STILL RELATIVELY AFFORDABLE.

NEXT SLIDE.

UM, THAT BEING SAID, WHEN WE DID, WHEN WE DID THE SURVEY, THERE'S NOT A TON OF SUPPLY AVAILABLE.

UM, AND THE PRICES THIS, AND THIS INCLUDES YOUR, UM, CLASS B, CLASS C AS WELL, UM, MARKET PRICING AROUND 1200, UM, OR A TWO BEDROOM.

NOW WHEN WE LOOK AT CLASS A STRUCTURES, IT'S PRICED, UM, QUITE A BIT HIGHER.

I THINK I MIGHT HAVE A SLIDE IN HERE THAT THAT SHOWS THAT.

UM, NEXT SLIDE.

UM, YEAH, SO THIS, THIS, THIS CAN ILLUSTRATE THAT DIFFERENCE.

UM,

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UM, NEXT SLIDE.

AND THEN HERE WE HAVE SOMETHING BUILT IN THE SIXTIES, UM, A VACANCY RATE OF 7% AND PRICING AT, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY HALF OF THAT AT A DOLLAR PER SQUARE FOOT.

NEXT SLIDE.

UM, SO JUST THINKING ABOUT, UM, WHERE YOU ARE IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY, UM, AND TALKING ABOUT HOW YOU DO HAVE, UM, A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT SUPPLY OF OLDER RENTAL UNITS THAT WILL BECOME OBSOLETE, UM, WITHOUT MAJOR, UM, INVESTMENT PUT INTO IT.

UM, AND AT THE SAME TIME, YOU DON'T HAVE THE SAME NEW CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY THAT OTHER AREAS OF THE HOUSTON METRO ARE GOING THROUGH, UM, PARTICULARLY FOR MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING.

SO I WOULD SAY THAT IF THERE ARE, UM, DEVELOPERS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN BUILDING NEW CONSTRUCTION, UM, BAYTOWN COULD SUPPORT IT.

IT HASN'T HAD AS MUCH NEW CONSTRUCTION AS OTHER AREAS.

UM, AT THE SAME TIME, UM, WE HAVE THESE OLDER RENTAL PROPERTIES THAT, UM, ARE AT RISK OF, UM, BECOMING IN FLIGHT, UM, NEED SUBSTANTIAL REPAIRS, UM, POTENTIALLY HAVING, UM, UNLOVABLE CONDITIONS FOR YOUR LOWER INCOME RENTERS.

UM, SO THEY MAY NEED SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION THAT YOU WANT TO USE, UM, HOUSING SUBSIDY PROGRAMS LIKE THE TAX CREDIT PROGRAM OR CDPG, UH, TO HELP REHABILITATE THOSE PROPERTIES IN EXCHANGE FOR, UM, GUARANTEED AFFORDABILITY FOR THE LOWER INCOME WORKERS.

UM, AT THE SAME TIME, UM, BECAUSE IF IT BECOMES MORE EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN THESE PROPERTIES, OWNERS, UM, MAY NOT SEE THE COST BENEFIT AND, UM, BRINGING THEM UP TO CODE OR MAKING SURE THAT THEIR ADDITION SOON MAY BE MORE, UM, INSPECTION ACTIVITY, UM, TO MAKE SURE THESE PROPERTIES ARE ARE KEPT UP.

UM, AND THEN THERE ARE, THERE ARE WAYS FOR SOME TYPE OF, UM, FLOOD MITIGATION PROGRAMS OR NEIGHBORHOOD INVESTMENTS IN SOME OF YOUR HISTORIC AREAS, BUT ALSO TRACKED, UM, MORE HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES, UM, IN MORE ESTABLISHING NEIGHBORHOODS.

WE ARE SEEING THAT THERE'S A, A GROWING TREND, UM, FOR, UM, OLDER, LIKE MORE ESTABLISHED SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOODS AMONGST YOUR, UM, MILLENNIAL AND EVEN NOW GEN Z BUYERS.

UM, AND THEN ALSO BECAUSE HOME, UH, HOMEOWNERSHIP IS BECOMING LESS ACCESSIBLE, UM, BASED ON A LOT OF FOLKS BEING PRICED OUTTA THE MARKET, AND ALSO NOT A LOT OF, UM, COUPLES ARE FORMING, UM, AT YOUNGER AGES.

AND SO THERE IS MORE OF A MARKET FOR FIRST TIME HOME OWNERSHIP OR, UM, SMALLER TYPES OF PROPERTIES, NOT NECESSARILY YOUR THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH OR BEDROOM, TWO BATH HOMES, BUT YOU KNOW, CAN INCLUDE LIKE TOWN HOMES, CONDOS, LIKE CLUSTER COTTAGES.

IT CAN ALSO ATTRACT A PORTION OF, UM, YOUR DOWNSIZING, UH, BABY BOOMER, UM, POPULATION THAT IS, WE'RE SEEING MOVING TO AREAS THAT THEIR CHILDREN ARE MOVING TO.

UM, SOME PLACES LIKE TEXAS THAT ARE EXPECTED TO GROW A LOT BECAUSE OF IMMIGRATION WILL ALSO ATTRACT, UH, A PERCENTAGE OF THEIR PARENTS WHO WOULD BE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING LOWER MAINTENANCE.

UM, SO I THINK THAT'S IT FOR THIS SLIDE DECK.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TIME FOR QUESTIONS OR IF THERE WERE ANY QUESTIONS.

ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS OR IS THAT MORE THAN WE COULD ? I, I THINK I HAVE A QUESTION AND MARTIN, MAYBE IT'S TO YOU.

I MEAN, WHEN WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION, IT WAS BECAUSE WE WERE AWARE THAT WE CAN'T CREATE MORE LAND AND WE KNEW WE WANTED MORE HOMES AVAILABLE TO OWN.

SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LIKE, WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE? SO DOES THIS ANSWER THAT QUESTION? SO I, I THINK THERE WERE SEVERAL QUESTIONS AT HAND, UH, AT THE TIME, BUT THE ONE THAT WAS REALLY PRESSING WAS AS WE HAVE DEVELOPERS COMING IN AND SAYING, WE HAVE MULTI-FAMILY PRODUCT THAT WE WANNA PUT OUT IN THE MARKET, THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH REGARDING WHETHER THERE WAS A NEED FOR THAT OR NOT.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY IS THERE IS A NEED FOR THAT, BUT WE CAN KIND OF TEMPER THAT WITH LOCATION AND ALTHOUGH THE THINGS THAT WE NORMALLY WOULD, BUT IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC NO, WE JUST HAVE TOO MUCH MULTIFAMILY.

AND SO WE, WE DO KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN SOME OF,

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THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BE APPROVING MORE OF.

AND RATHER THAN, RATHER THAN MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS OR CITY DECISIONS BASED ON KIND OF PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, PERCEPTION WAS LET'S HAVE SOME DATA.

AND SO, UM, WITH THAT DATA WE'RE SEEING, YES, WHAT WE WOULD IDEALLY WANT TO SEE IS SOME OF THAT, THE STUFF THAT'S BECOMING FUNCTIONALLY OBSOLETE GO AWAY.

AND PART OF WHAT I THINK WE GOT FROM THE FINDINGS OF THE, OF THE REPORT IS THAT AS SOME OF THOSE NEWER ONES COME IN, WE WILL SEE SOME OF THE OLDER ONES GO AWAY, BUT IT MAY NOT BE UNTIL THEY ARE IN SUCH BAD SHAPE THAT NOBODY CAN LIVE THERE ANYMORE.

AND, AND SO THEREFORE THERE'S NO MORE INCOME COMING FROM THAT.

SO, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO KIND OF SEE THAT NOW.

UM, SOME OF REBECCA'S, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS WERE THINGS LIKE, ARE THERE OTHER SUBSIDIES THAT WE CAN PROVIDE TO EITHER SAY, OKAY, NEW APARTMENT COMPLEXES COMING IN, YOU'RE PROVIDING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, UH, LOWER INCOME OR MORE AFFORDABLE TYPE RENTALS.

UM, AND WE ARE AS A CITY OR MAYBE THROUGH SOME FEDERAL GRANTS OR STATE GRANTS, WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE TO, TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH SECTION EIGHT HOUSING OR WHATEVER THEY, WHATEVER THEY CALL IT NOW.

UM, BUT THERE ARE PROGRAMS THAT WE CAN, OR MAYBE WE'RE SUBSIDIZING REPAIRS ON SOME OF THE OLDER, UH, TYPE PROJECTS.

UH, IN THE PAST TWO YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF A COUPLE OF THE FEDERAL, UH, LOW INCOME, LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROGRAMS. AND THOSE WERE IN, I WANNA SAY THOSE WERE IN EXCESSIVE 30 TO $40 MILLION PER PROPERTY.

THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING $40,000 A PIECE INTO EACH UNIT.

AND SO THAT'S MORE THAN SUBSTANTIAL, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL ALLOW THEM TO BRING THAT, THAT UP AND HOPEFULLY SO BECAUSE THEY'RE NICER, THE MARKET WILL DICTATE, WE CAN CHARGE MORE FOR THOSE, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE ADDED, UH, COST OF ALL THE REPAIRS, $40 MILLION WORTH OF REPAIRS THAT THEY HAD TO JUST PUT OUT OF POCKET THAT THEY'D HAVE TO RECOUP OVER TIME.

SO, AND, AND WE ALWAYS TRY TO BALANCE THAT AS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT IN TERMS OF DO WE WANT TO KEEP THIS USE GOING OR DO WE WANNA LET IT FALL APART BECAUSE NO ONE WOULD SUPPORT THIS FREE MONEY THAT'S COMING IN.

SO YOU JUST HAVE TO KIND OF DECIDE IS THAT, IS THAT AS A CITY, UM, WHETHER WE WANTED TO SUPPORT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS OR NOT.

DOES THAT HELP? YEAH.

OKAY.

AND IS THERE A WAY TO, FOR EVERY NEW ONE THAT'S APPROVED, TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET RID OF AN OBSOLETE ? I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THESE, THE ONE THAT WE JUST DID WHERE WE'RE INVESTING A BUNCH OF FEDERAL GRANTS AND MONEY INTO OVER ON, OFF OF BEAUMONT STREET, I BELIEVE.

UM, IT'S A SLUM.

I MEAN, I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN THERE, IT'S HORRIBLE.

UM, WHAT, WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THOSE? I MEAN, THERE'S NUMEROUS ONES THROUGHOUT BAYTOWN, 50% A MI AND UNDER, THEY'RE JUST IN BAD SHAPE.

OH, YEAH, YEAH.

UM, I, I DON'T KNOW.

WHAT CAN WE DO? I DON'T KNOW.

THERE'S A ONE FOR ONE BECAUSE FORMULA, WHEN YOU KEEP BUILDING NEW APARTMENTS AND YOU, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE AMENITIES TO KEEP THE PEOPLE HERE SHOPPING AND AND ENJOYING THE COMMUNITY.

THEY'RE GOING TO THE HEIGHTS IN CLEAR LAKE AND, AND EVERY IN MONT BELLVIEW MM-HMM .

UH, WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT SOME WAY TO KEEP THEM HERE TO SPEND MONEY HERE.

SO THAT, THAT OF COURSE IS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF, OF THE REPORT.

I, BUT, BUT I DO, BUT I DO THINK THE REPORT KIND OF, KIND OF GIVES US SOME, SOME FINDINGS THAT HELP IN WHEN WE'RE MAKING SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS MOVING FORWARD.

I THINK IDEALLY WE'D LOVE TO SEE A DEVELOPER COME IN AND SAY, YOU KNOW, I'M WILLING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT OLDER, THAT OLDER PROJECT AND BUILD SOMETHING IN ITS PLACE.

BUT, BUT AGAIN, YOU'VE GOTTA BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT FINANCIALLY ATTRACTIVE FOR THAT, FOR THAT DEVELOPER CAN THE CITY, WE DON'T, RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT, BUT, BUT WE MAY BE ABLE TO, TO, WE MAY BE ABLE TO FIND, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME WAYS TO, TO DO THAT.

UH, THAT'S AGAIN, THIS KIND OF PUSHES US IN THAT DIRECTION, I THINK, OR, OR HELPS, UH, HELPS WITH THAT, THAT CURRENT AT LEAST.

RIGHT.

REBECCA, I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

UH, DID Y'ALL LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGES? IF, IF RENTAL PROP POPULATION WAS 44%, HOW MUCH THAT WAS SINGLE FAMILY AND HOW MUCH WAS MULTIFAMILY? DID WE LOOK AT, DID WE LOOK AT IT THAT WAY? WE DID NOT LOOK AT IT THAT WAY.

UM,

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SO THE, THE ZILLOW, SO INCLUDES ALL RENTALS LISTED AND THEN THE MULTI-FAMILY DATA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT , UM, AND SUPPLY IS BASED ON LARGER, LARGER PRODUCTS.

SO WE CAN SAY THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACTLY YEAR, UM, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK IT UP.

WE, WE DON'T HOW MANY MULTIFAMILY UNITS THERE ARE EN LARGER DEVELOPMENT HUNDRED RENTERS.

THERE ARE.

SO THEN WE CAN EXTRA THAT.

UM, I THINK THEY WANNA SAY, I DON'T HAVE MEAN, BUT THERE IS A RELATIVELY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF, UH, RENTERS IN, UM, SINGLE FAMILY COMPARED TO OTHER AREAS.

UM, BECAUSE YOU, YOU DO HAVE A GOOD NUMBER OF A MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTIES.

UM, SO IT'S NOT LIKE, UH, SAY PLACES WHERE YOUR UM, RED POPULATION IS 30%, BUT ONLY 5% OF THEIR AGREE ARE LOST TO THEIR FAMILY, THEN THEY KNOW THAT THAT OFFICER STREET LIVING SINGLE COUNTY, THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

UM, THAT'S ONLY PIECE IN PAYPAL TIME.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ANYBODY.

OTHER, OTHER QUESTIONS? MARK, I HAVE MORE QUESTION.

WITH THOSE 75,000 UNITS IN THE PIPELINE ALREADY, I MEAN, ARE WE OPEN TO APPROVE MORE OR DOES THAT, SO THAT'S, SHOULD WE HAVE A STAY? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT'S THE DECISION ON THAT? SO THAT'S REGIONAL, SO THAT'S THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE HOUSTON AREA.

OH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS BAYTOWN SPECIFIC.

NO, NOT AT ALL.

DO WE KNOW WHAT'S IN THE PIPELINE FOR WHAT WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED? UH, IT, REBECCA, DO YOU REMEMBER THAT NUMBER? IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE MAYBE 1200 OR I THINK I HAVE 800 GRADUAL UNITS.

800 IN THE PIPELINE.

OKAY.

AND, AND SOME OF THOSE HAVE BEEN ZONED FOR A WHILE AND IT'S JUST KIND OF SITTING THERE.

THEY HAVEN'T BUILT THEM YET.

YEAH, RECALL.

I RECALL THAT.

THEN, THEN YOU HAVE SCHOOL SYSTEMS COME IN AND BUY THE MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES AND THEN NOTHING HAPPENS.

, THANK YOU THAT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU.

THANK YOU REBECCA.

YOU, SO YOU WILL SEE SOME MORE OF THESE FINDINGS AS WE GO FORWARD WITH, UM, WITH ANY MORE, UH, REZONES OF HOUSING NATURE.

WE'LL, WE'LL BE BRINGING IN SOME OF THOSE INTO THOSE REPORTS AS WELL.

SO YOU'LL, YOU, YOU, IT'S NOT THE LAST YOU'VE SEEN OF THE, OF THE FINDINGS, SO, OKAY, WE'RE READY

[a. Consider approving Port 10 Logistics Section Five Preliminary Plat, approximately 136.57 acres generally located south of East Interstate Highway 10, between Wade Road and Thompson Road.]

THANKS, REBECCA.

ITEM NUMBER THREE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ITEM NUMBER THREE IS PLATS.

UH, THREE A IS RECORDING STOPPED SPEAKING.

STOP TOO.

CONSIDER APPROVING PORT 10 LOGISTICS.

SECTION FIVE PRELIMINARY PLAT, APPROXIMATELY 1 36 POINT 57 ACRES.

GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTH AT EAST INTERSTATE 10.

BETWEEN WADE ROAD AND THOMPSON ROAD.

TREVOR, HELLO COMMISSION.

UH, TREVOR HARLOW, CURRENT PLANNING MANAGER.

SO AS YOU MENTIONED, UH, THIS IS ANOTHER PLAT FROM PORT 10.

THIS IS THEIR SECTION FIVE.

UH, YOU JUST GAVE THE LOCATION THERE, BUT TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER SNAPSHOT, THERE'S THE VICINITY MAP FOR IT.

UH, ROUGHLY 136 ACRES RIGHT THERE BELOW, UH, EAST IH 10 BETWEEN THOMPSON AND WADE.

GIVE YOU THE PLAT HERE.

UM, IT IS ONE BLOCK, THREE RESERVES, AND UH, THREE LOTS.

UM, ALL FOR INDUSTRIAL PURPOSES.

UH, JUST A CONTINUATION ON THOSE PROJECTS THERE.

SO THAT'S IT.

AND ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? NONE.

YOU SAID INDUSTRIAL.

YOU MEAN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL? YES.

YES, CORRECT.

OKAY.

DO I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

THANK YOU HELEN, AS PRESENTED.

DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND.

A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

DOES OPPOSED LIKE SIGN? MOTION CARRIES.

[b. Consider approving 1405 Cedar Port Park Preliminary Plat, approximately 12.84 acres, generally located east of FM 1405 Road and south of Grand Parkway.]

GENERALLY LOCATED EAST OF FM 1405 AND SOUTH OF GRAND PARKWAY, LA GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONER.

MY NAME IS LAMIA SALE PLANNER TWO.

THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES,

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IT'S IN THE 80 TJ SOUTH OF 99, AND AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF OSCAR NELSON JUNIOR DRIVE AND FM 1405, THE APPLICANT IS CREATING ONE BLOCK WITH FIVE RESERVES AND PLANNING, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? DO I HEAR? MOTION TO APPROVE? MOTION APPROVE.

THANK YOU.

I HEAR SECOND.

SECOND.

THANK YOU HELEN.

HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED LIKE SIGN.

MOTION CARRIES.

UH,

[c. Consider approving Chambers Commons Preliminary Plat, approximately 145.92 acres generally located south of Interstate Highway 10 and west of North State Highway 146.]

ME AGAIN, TREVOR HARLOW, CURRENT PLANNING MANAGER.

UH, SO THIS ONE IS OVER, UH, THERE SOUTH OF IH 10 AND JUST, UH, WEST OF STATE HIGHWAY 1 46.

ANOTHER PRETTY BIG ONE, A HUNDRED FORTY FIVE 0.917 ACRES.

IT IS THE CHAMBER'S COMMONS.

YOU ALL MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S STARTING TO GET UNDERWAY.

UH, THEY WILL BE CREATING, UH, IT'S FOUR BLOCKS AND 20 LOTS.

SO THERE'S THAT FIRST PORTION AND THE SECOND PORTION.

I WILL, UH, POINT OUT THAT THERE IS SOME, THIS WHOLE AREA ZONE COMMERCIAL EXCEPT FOR THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IN THE MIDDLE.

IF YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, THAT IS ZONED FOR MULTIFAMILY.

SO THEY ARE PROPOSING TO COME IN FOR THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, THROUGHOUT MOST OF IT.

AND THEN THAT PIECE OF MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.

SO IT'S ALL BEING PLATTED NOW, BUT THEY'RE JUST SO YOU HAVE AN IDEA ON WHAT THAT DEVELOPMENT WILL LOOK LIKE WHEN IT COMES THROUGH.

BUT OTHERWISE, UH, PLANNING STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE? MOTION APPROVE.

THANK YOU RICK.

DID I HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

THANK YOU.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED LIKE SIGNED.

MOTION CARRIES.

SO WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC HEARINGS AND I WILL READ THE FOLLOWING ONE TIME.

AND IT APPLIES TO ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS.

PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE HELD FOR THE PURPOSE OF GIVING ALL INTERESTED PERSONS THE RIGHT TO SPEAK AND BE HEARD.

EVERYONE DESIRING TO SPEAK AT TODAY'S HEARINGS SHOULD HAVE SIGNED THE APPROPRIATE LIST.

AS THIS LIST WILL PROVIDE THE SPEAKING ORDER FOR THE HEARING.

EACH SPEAKER SHALL GIVE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS TO PROVIDE A PROPER RECORD OF THIS HEARING.

THE RULES ALLOW EACH SPEAKER THREE MINUTES TO PRESENT INFORMATION.

HOWEVER, I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO BE AS CONCISE AS POSSIBLE.

IF YOU ARE A GROUP WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON THE SAME SUBJECT, PLEASE SELECT A SPOKESPERSON TO PRESENT THE INFORMATION.

IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE DIRECT THEM TO ME.

OUR FIRST ITEM

[a. Conduct a public hearing and consider proposed text amendments to the Unified Land Development Code (ULDC) to change Section 2.06 Special Purpose Zoning Districts and add Section 2.081 Industrial Planned Unit Developments (I-PUD), to add a new zoning district.]

CONSIDER PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO CHANGE SECTION 2.06, SPECIAL PURPOSE ZONING DISTRICTS AND ADD SECTION 2.08 INDUSTRIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT IPOD TO ADD A NEW ZONING DISTRICT.

THANK YOU MARTIN.

THANK YOU FOR THE RECORD.

MARTIN SCRIBNER PLANNING DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

OKAY, SO, UM, THERE ARE TWO TEXT AMENDMENTS IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT.

I KNOW THEY KIND OF, UM, BLUR THE LINES A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF THEY CAN GET A LITTLE CONFUSING.

SO I'M GONNA TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT I EXPLAIN THESE, UM, IN, IN A, IN A, WITHOUT USING A LOT OF JARGON.

AND, AND IF I DO THAT, FEEL FREE TO STOP ME AND SAY, I DUNNO WHAT THAT MEANS.

'CAUSE I LIVE THIS.

YOU GUYS DON'T.

OKAY, SO THIS FIRST ONE IS REALLY ADDING A NEW AVAILABLE DISTRICT TO THE CODE.

SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, A PUD.

THAT TYPE OF PUD IS GENERALLY FOR MIXED USES.

IT REALLY IS SOMETHING WHERE WE LOOK AT, OKAY, WE'VE GOT SOME SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WE'VE GOT SOME COMMERCIAL, WE'VE GOT SOME APARTMENTS, AND WE KINDA MIX THOSE UP.

AND, AND SO WHAT THAT DOES IS THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON.

THE, THE DEVELOPERS WHO ARE COMING IN AND ASKING FOR THOSE, THOSE PUDS ARE NUMBER ONE, LOOKING TO DO MIX OF USES.

NUMBER TWO, USUALLY THEY'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE SOMETHING FROM THE CODE.

THEY WANT TO VARY FROM THE CODE A LITTLE BIT.

MAYBE WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT LESS OVER HERE, BUT IN RETURN THEY GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OVER THERE.

UM, AND THIS TYPE

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AND THERE CAN BE CONDITIONS YOU CAN LOCK IN YOUR SITE PLANS, UM, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

SO AGAIN, WHAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS NOW IS REALLY GEARED TOWARDS MIXED USE, HIGHER AMENITIES, LIKE WE WANT MORE PARKS, MORE TRAILS, MORE LANDSCAPING, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

IT DOESN'T REALLY LEND ITSELF TO AN INDUSTRIAL TYPE OF USE.

HOWEVER, WE DO FIND THAT WE, WE HAVE FOUND RECENTLY SOME, SOME PROJECTS THAT WOULD'VE BENEFITED FROM THE AVAILABILITY OF SUCH A THING.

SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE ADDED THE IPUD.

SO AGAIN, THE INDUSTRIAL PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND A DEFINITION TO, IN SECTION 2.06 OF THE ULD DC THERE IS A LIST OF SPECIAL PURPOSE ZONING DISTRICTS.

THIS WOULD ADD THIS.

SO THERE IS THE, THE REGULAR PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE THE IPUD BEHIND IT WITH THE DEFINITION.

SO YOU HAVE THAT, UM, THAT TEXT IN YOUR PACKETS AND IT ALSO ADDS A NEW SECTION, UH, CONTAINING ALL THE REGULATIONS FOR THE PUD, FOR THE IPUD.

SO REMEMBER TO THAT WITH THAT, WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES IN, THEY PICK A BASE ZONING DISTRICT, AND IN MOST OF THE ONES THAT WE HAVE, IT'S A LIVABLE CENTERS OR AN LC ZONE THAT IS A MIXED USE ZONE THAT CREATES THE BASE FOR ANY OF THE, THE REGULATIONS THAT COME AFTER THAT.

AND SO THIS SECTION THAT CONTAINS REGULATIONS WOULD REALLY SAY, OKAY, YOU COULD PICK AN LI A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OR AN HI HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AS YOUR BASE ZONE, AND THEN WE WANT TO SEE ALL THIS OTHER INFORMATION AND HERE'S HOW THIS ALL KIND OF FITS TOGETHER.

UM, REALLY THE MAIN DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE PUD THAT'S IN THE CURRENT LANGUAGE AND THIS INDUSTRIAL PUD.

AGAIN, THIS WILL ALLOW FLEXIBILITY.

IT DOES ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS, EITHER PUT ON EITHER RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, RECOMMENDED BY PLANNING AND ZONING OR, OR RECOMMENDED BY, UH, COUNCIL.

UM, IT WOULD'VE A MINIMUM OF 10 ACRES.

SO IF YOU'RE COMING IN WITH A VERY SMALL PROJECT, THIS WOULD NOT BE AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR, FOR THIS TYPE OF, OF DISTRICT.

IT DOES LOCK IN THE SITE PLAN, WHICH IS SOMETHING, AGAIN, IF WE JUST REZONE TO AN LI DISTRICT, WE CAN'T LOCK THAT IN.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT ALLOWS US TO SAY, OKAY, YOU'VE GOTTA PUT YOUR ENTRANCES HERE, YOU'VE GOTTA DO MORE LANDSCAPING, THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT AUTHORITY.

THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO DO THAT.

AND THIS ONE DOES NOT EXPIRE.

THE EXISTING PUD EXPIRES AFTER TWO YEARS IF NOBODY'S PULLED ANY PERMITS FOR THAT PROJECT.

WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS SITUATION, IF WE WERE TO ALLOW IT TO EXPIRE, ANY OF THE EXTRA SPECIAL STUFF THAT WE WERE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE AS PART OF THAT PUD WOULD GO AWAY AND IT WOULD JUST BE LI WHICH NEGATES THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE PER POINT OF DOING IT.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING STAFF PROPOSES THAT THIS DOES NOT EXPIRE.

WE TOOK OUT ALL THAT LANGUAGE.

IT DOES NOT REQUIRE MIX OF USES.

SO AGAIN, THIS CAN BE SOLELY INDUSTRIAL USES, AGAIN, BASED ON YOUR EITHER LI OR HI.

AND THERE IS LESS EMPHASIS ON THAT SORT OF ELEVATED SITE DESIGN AMENITIES.

UM, MORE EMPHASIS ON LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LESSENING THAT INDUSTRIAL USE POTENTIAL IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING AREAS, EITHER NEIGHBORHOODS OR COMMERCIAL, UH, TYPE PROPERTIES, THAT SORT OF THING.

SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING FORWARD WITH THIS LANGUAGE.

WITH THE TEXT AMENDMENT, THERE ARE FIVE CRI, UH, APPROVAL CRITERIA IN THE, UH, IN THE CODE.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE DEVELOPMENT GOALS, MAINLY OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED LAST YEAR.

SO THIS, THIS DOES MEET THOSE LAND USE GOALS, UH, COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING AREAS.

OBVIOUSLY IT, IT'S, IT'S LESS ABOUT ONE PARTICULAR AREA, BUT MORE ABOUT COMPATIBILITY WITH ANY AREAS THAT MIGHT BE AROUND THIS TYPE OF A DISTRICT.

SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO AGAIN, KIND OF MAKE THAT WORK.

UH, THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO PROVIDE BETTER COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING AREAS.

UM, IT DOES PROMOTE HEALTH SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE, AGAIN, MUCH FOR THE SAME REASONS.

UH, IT FACILITATES INFRASTRUCTURE.

THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE, AGAIN, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE START TALKING ABOUT ROADWAYS, ANYTIME WE COME IN INTO INDUSTRIAL ISSUE, WE TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC, WE TALK ABOUT TRUCKS AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING AND HOW THAT AFFECTS, UM, EVERYBODY AROUND 'EM.

SO AGAIN, THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO IN FACILITATE SOME OF THAT, THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS.

AND, UH, THE, IT ALSO DICTATES THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY, UH, NEGATIVE EFFECT ON NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.

AGAIN.

ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE AS SOMEONE WOULD COME IN, WE WOULD SORT OF NEGOTIATE OUR WAY THROUGH AND MAKE SURE THAT

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SO WITH ALL THAT STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL, THE REQUESTED AMENDMENT.

UM, I HOPE I KIND OF KEPT THAT, UH, TO A, UH, I COULD GO ON AND ON ABOUT IT, BUT I'M HOPING I GOT THAT TO A LEVEL THAT EVERYBODY IS KIND OF COMFORTABLE WITH.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

DO YOU KNOW OF A PLACE THAT HAS A, A SAMPLE OF WHAT THAT WOULD, THE EFFECTS OF THAT? LIKE WHAT OTHER AREAS USE THIS? UH, I KNOW IN SOME PAST JURISDICTIONS OF MINE, WE HAD, UH, WE HAD THAT, THAT TYPE OF, OF PUD, UM, AGAIN, IT IT REALLY JUST KIND OF, BECAUSE IT WOULD STILL, ANYTHING LIKE THAT WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE REZONE PROCESS.

WE'LL STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH, YOU GUYS WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH CITY COUNCIL.