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HERE, NEIL, ARE YOU RECORDING? YES.
[1. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL]
WE HAVE A QUORUM RIGHT NOW.[a. Consider approving the meeting minutes of the March 14, 2023, Board of Adjustment regular meeting.]
ITEM TWO A.LET'S CONSIDER, UH, APPROVING THE MINUTES OF THE MARCH 14TH, UH, MEETING.
UH, AND YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED THOSE, UH, IN YOUR, NOT IN AN EMAIL, BUT ON THE WEBSITE.
SO ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I WOULD, UH, ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES.
I MAKE MOTION TO APPROVE THE NOTES IS WRITTEN.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[a. Conduct a public hearing and consider a request for a variance from the Unified Land Development Code (ULDC) to allow a front porch enclosure to encroach the minimum front yard setback of 15 feet on the property located at 406 East Hunnicutt Avenue. ]
A, UH, WE'RE GONNA CONDUCT, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING.CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE, AND LET ME READ THE RULES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE HELD FOR THE PURPOSE OF GIVING ALL INTERESTED PERSONS THE RIGHT TO SPEAK AND BE HEARD.
TODAY'S MEETING SHOULD HAVE ALREADY SIGNED IN ON THE LIST.
UM, EACH SPEAKER SHALL GIVE, GIVES HER HER NAME, AND, UH, UM, TRY TO LIMIT, UH, YOUR INPUT TO, UH, THREE MINUTES MAY EXTEND THAT WE NEED TO.
AND IF, IF ANYBODY HAS, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, ADDRESS THEM TO ME AND WE'LL ASK, UH, STAFF TO HELP ANSWER THAT.
SO, HAVING READ THE RULES, UM, ITEM THREE A, WE'RE GONNA CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING.
CONSIDER
A YARD SET BACK OF 15 FEET ON THE PROPERTY, LOCATED AT 4 0 6 4 0 6 EAST HONEY AVENUE.
HAVE STAFF SUMMARIZE THE, THE REQUEST.
PROPERTY 4 0 6 IN HANUKAH IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HANUKAH STREET IN THE MID BLOCK BETWEEN THE FOURTH AND THE FIFTH STREET.
IT HAS A LOT SIZE OF 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD IS DESIGNATED MOST RESIDENTIAL INCLUDE TO MEDIUM DENSITY SF TWO, AND ALSO THE, UM, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATED THE, THE PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD AS, UH, RESIDENTIAL.
THIS IS A GOOGLE STREET VIEW IN 2008 OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, IT HAS A ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
UM, THE FRONT YARD, UH, WAS SET BACK, UH, 17 FEET, AND THE PORCH WAS SET BACK 10.6 FEET.
IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT, UM, THIS IS IN ACCORDANCE TO YOU TODAY'S ULDC STANDARDS.
THIS IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL THE, UM, EXISTING DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE THE CONDITION OF THE HOUSE TODAY.
THE APPLICANT ERECTED, UH, PORTION OF THE FRONT PORCH, UM, AS AN ADDITION TO THE HOUSE, WHICH CREATED A NEW FRONT WALL TO THE HOUSE THAT ENCROACHED THE MINIMUM SETBACK OF 15 FEET BY 4.4 FEET.
THIS IS DIFFERENT VIEWS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THESE ARE THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY TO THE EAST, UH, ALL OF WHICH HAS, UH, SIMILAR, UH, LOT SIZE AS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AS WELL AS A MINIMUM FRONT YARD SETBACK OF 15 FEET.
THESE ARE THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST SIDE.
THE OWNERS OF THE THIS PROPERTY WERE HERE AND THEY, UH, IN SUPPORT OF THE MAINTENANCE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UH, THIS IS, UH, SOME, UM, HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
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AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S, IT'S A FEATURE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE A FRONT PORCH.UH, MOST OF THE, UH, THE DWELLING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A FRONT PORCH, AND THEY'RE ALL IN COMPLIANCE WITH TODAY'S DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
THIS IS A SURVEY OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SHOWING THE ADDITION OF THE HOUSE RIGHT HERE.
PORTION OF THE PORSCHE WAS ENCLOSED, AND NOW THE FRONT WALL OF THE HOUSE IS SET BACK 10.6 FEET FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.
THIS IS AN ILLUSTRATION I MADE TO, UH, TO, UM, SIMPLIFY THE SETBACKS.
SO THE ORIGINAL FRONT WALL OF THE HOUSE WAS SET BACK 17 FEET FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, AND THE PORSCHE WAS SET BACK 10.6 FEET.
THIS YELLOW PORTION IS THE ENCLOSURE OF THE, THE PORSCHE.
AND THE APPLICANT CREATED A NEW FRONT WALL IN HERE.
AND THIS, UH, ORANGE LINE HERE IS THE 15 FEET SETBACK OF THE REQUIREMENT BY THE UNDC 15 FEET FRONT YARD SETBACK.
UM, AS YOU CAN, UH, SEE ON, ON THE REPORT THAT THE APPLICANT MET A FEW CRITERIA OF THE VARIANCE, HOWEVER, WE ONLY HIGHLIGHTED THE, THE CRITERIA THAT WAS NOT MET, UH, IN THIS VARIANCE.
SO THE APPLICANT CREATED HIS OWN, UM, HARDSHIP BY, UM, HAVING THE, UM, THE ADDITION IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, UH, WHEREAS IT COULD BE AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE OR ON THIS SIDE BECAUSE THIS SIDE HAS 7.5 FEET SIDE YARD SETBACK.
CRITERIA NUMBER TWO, HAD THE POT POTENTIAL HAS THE POTENTIAL TO AFFECT THE PHYSICAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AS WE, UM, PRESENTED TO YOU THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS THIS, UM, FRONT PORCH, OPEN FRONT PORCH, OR PARTIALLY OPENED FRONT PORCH AS THE, UH, ONE OF THE CHARACTER OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
CRITERIA NUMBER FIVE DOES NOT FURTHER THE GOALS AND VISION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SUPPORTS INFILL DEVELOPMENTS AND NEW DEVELOPMENT.
HOWEVER, IT DOES NOT SUPPORT AN ENCROACHMENT ON, UH, A FRONT YARD SETBACK IN AN ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THIS DOES NOT HAVE, UH, SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES THAT ARE, UM, PARTICULAR TO THE LAND OR STRUCTURE.
UH, AND I WILL FOR THIS, I WILL GO BACK TO THE, UM, THE ZONING MAP AND SHOW YOU, UH, THAT ALL PROPERTIES IN HERE.
YES, OUR STANDARD LOT, THEY HAVE A MINIMUM FRONTAGE OF 50 FEET, STANDARD LOT, 50 BY A HUNDRED.
AND, UM, IN, IN SOME CASES IT'S LARGER.
IT'S A COMBINATION OF TWO OR THREE LOTS.
AND THIS IS ACTUALLY, UM, A STANDARD THAT WE ARE USING IN NEW SUBDIVISIONS RIGHT NOW.
A MINIMUM OF 50 FOOT FRONTAGE AND A HUNDRED, UH, FEET DEEP CRITERIA, NUMBER EIGHT, UH, LETTER INTERPRETATION AND ENFORCEMENT OF THE NATIONAL STANDARD WOULD NOT DEPRIVE THE APPLICANT OF RIGHTS COMMONLY ENJOYED BY LAND OWNERS IN THE SAME DISTRICT AS THIS IS THE, THE FIRST, UH, VARIANCE WE HAVE RECEIVED IN, UH, IN TERMS OF ENFORCEMENT ON THE FRONT YARD SETBACK IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND, UM, AS I SAID, UM, ALL THE, THE PROPERTY THAT, UH, WE RESEARCHED WERE, UH, WERE WITHIN THE MINIMUM WITHIN, WERE COMPLIANT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE MINIMUM FRONTIER SETBACK IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE, UH, UADC DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
IT'S NOT THE MINIMUM ACTION THAT WILL BE POSSIBLE, THE USE OF LAND OR STRUCTURE, WHICH IS NOT CONTRARY TO THE
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PUBLIC INTEREST.UM, THE APPLICANT COULD ERECTED THIS, UH, ENCLOSURE WITHOUT A PAINTING, THE NECESSARY BUILDING PERMITS.
AND, UM, THEREFORE IT WAS, UM, AND THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO, UH, TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AS THEY WERE SETBACK FURTHERMORE THAN THE REQUIRED 15 FEET OF THE FRONT YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENTS OF THE C.
SO, UM, IT'S, UH, I GUESS IT'S NOT THE, UM, IT'S NOT THE, THE ENCROACHMENT OR THE, UH, THE ADDITION COULD HAVE BEEN LOCATED ON THE REAR OR ON THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, NOT ON THE FRONT, AND, UH, NOT BRING THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED STRUCTURE CLOSER INTO COMPLIANCE AS THE, UH, THE PROPOSED ADDITION IS 4.4, UH, INTO THE REQUIRED 15 FEET FRONT YARD SETBACK.
AND THEREFORE IT'S NOT, IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSER TO THE RIGHT REPORT.
AND WITH THAT, I, I WOULD END WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.
AND WE HAVE, UM, AS I SAID, ONE NEIGHBOR SUPPORT OF THE VARIANCE AND WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE.
ANY QUESTIONS? ASK SOME QUESTIONS NOW.
REMIND ME, DO WE HEAR THE APPLICANT OR HE MAY ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
DO WE HEAR 'EM NOW OR DO WE START ASKING QUESTIONS? I FORGET, BUT IT'S UP TO THE CHAIR.
HEARING THOUGH, YEAH, I'M BASICALLY HERE AT THIS POINT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT Y MAY HAVE AS TO, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT A COUPLE OF THE PICTURES AS WHAT I WAS ASKING MR. JONES.
SO THAT'S YOUR INPUT TO STAY, YOU'RE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR THE MOST PART.
AND GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY ON WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND, AND LISTEN TO YOU, IF YOU WOULD, AT PODIUM.
UH, MY WIFE DIDN'T BE HERE TODAY.
UM, I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS FROM THE FIRST CITATION WE HAD.
LOT OF THAT'S DUE ME BECAUSE I JUST WENT OUT DROPPING THE BALL, UH, HEARD IT FROM MY WIFE
UM, A LOT OF THE REASON THAT IT WAS DONE TO THE FRONT, YOU WEREN'T AWARE AT THE INITIAL TIME THAT THERE WAS A FRONT SETBACK.
UH, BUT THAT FRONT BEDROOM IS MY DAUGHTER'S CLOSET OR MY DAUGHTER'S HOUSE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THAT ENCLOSURE IS FOR, FOR CLOSET ADDITION.
BASICALLY WE MOVED FROM A 1200 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE INTO A, IT'S LIKE A THOUSAND, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, NOT TO MENTION THOSE TWO, MY TWO DAUGHTERS ARE SHARING THE ROOM.
SO AS YOU CAN TELL, THERE'S NOT, NOT A LOT OF SPACE.
UM, WITH THE FRONT PORCH ROOF ALREADY BEING EXISTING, I WAS ABLE TO, THAT CAUSED TO NOT HAVE TO EXTEND THE ROOF ON THE BACK AND HOLD ANOTHER PERMIT FOR THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER, OTHER THINGS FINANCIALLY, IT JUST WASN'T IMPOSSIBLE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.
UH, WITH THE FRONT, THE SLAB ON THE CONCRETE PORCH, I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS GONNA BE AN ISSUE GOING, YOU KNOW, IF I DIDN'T GO PAST THAT, I WOULD RATHER EXPLAIN THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, WHOLE SCOPE OF WHAT Y'ALL CONSIDER ENCROACHING.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT RIGHT NOW.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU PULL UP THE PICTURE WITH THE YELLOW HOUSE WITH THE LITTLE PARTIAL WALL? I JUST HAVE HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.
SO MY QUESTION IS THERE, IT, BECAUSE THERE IS A PARTIAL WALL THERE, IF WHAT HE DID WAS CREATE AN OPA LIKE WINDOWS INSTEAD OF A CLOSED IN WALL, WOULD THAT BE ALLOWED? SO THIS IS, THIS IS NOT, UH, PARTIALLY CLOSED.
THESE PILLARS ARE FOR SUPPORT OF THE ROOF.
NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ONE ON THE LEFT.
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APOLOGIZE.SO, SO THIS IS STRINGED IN TO ME, UH, TO BE ONE, I JUST WAS CURIOUS IF HE PUT WINDOWS, IF THEY DID WINDOWS FROM THAT PART INSTEAD OF A COMPLETE CLOSED WALL, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ALLOW, DO I, CAN I ASK THAT? DO YOU MIND IF I JUMP IN? YES, PLEASE.
THE BUILDINGS, THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALL MEET THE 15 FOOT SETBACK.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT AN APPLES TO APPLES.
SO THAT BUILDING, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE IS 15 FEET.
THEY CAN CLOSE THE WHOLE THING UP.
IT COULD STILL BE IN COMPLIANCE.
IF, IF THE, UM, IF THE PROPERTY OWNER IN THIS CASE HAD, IF IT WAS AT 15 FEET I GOTCHA.
THEY COULD CLOSE IT IN ALL THEY NEED TO BUILDING PERMIT TO DO SO.
BUT THE, THE PROBLEM IS THE FOUR FOOT ENCLO ENCROACHMENT, THAT'LL PROBABLY ANSWER.
CAN YOU GO BACK ONE MORE TO THE FRONT? 'CAUSE THAT'LL PROBABLY ANSWER MY, I THINK IT'S ONE MORE LIKE THAT YELLOW HOUSE RIGHT THERE.
MY CURIOSITY WAS DID THEY IN NO, THE ONE ON THE LEFT.
DID THEY ENCLOSE THAT IN? SO THIS HOUSE SPECIFICALLY IS 15 FEET FROM HERE.
SO THAT, BUT THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION WAS, 'CAUSE IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THAT WAS PROBABLY A PORCH ALL THE WAY ACROSS LIKE HIS, THEY ENCLOSED IN, BUT THEY ARE, BUT THEY MEET THE SETBACK.
THAT WAS, THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.
E EITHER WAY, THAT'S IN COMPLIANCE.
ANY QUESTIONS? COUPLE QUESTIONS.
JUST, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU GUYS DID A PRETTY GOOD SURVEY OF THE AREA.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER HOMES WHERE THE PORCH ITSELF WAS INSIDE THE 15 FEET, THE PORCH? IS THAT A CONSISTENT PORCH OF THE STATEMENT? THE PORCH IS ALLOWED TO BE WITHIN THE 15 FEET, BUT WERE THERE OTHER HOMES WITH PORCHES WITHIN THE 15 FEET? YES.
SO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, ANOTHER 15 FEET PROBABLY CAME LATER.
BUT WHEN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS CREATED, WAS THERE A COMMON SETBACK? DO YOU KNOW? DID YOU FIND A COMMON YEAH.
ARE THE HOUSES ALL OVER THE PLACE, OR ARE THEY ALL LINED UP LIKE THE, THE 15 IS THE MINIMUM IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE PORSCHE IS ABOUT FIVE TO SIX FEET WIDE.
SO WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS BUILT, THEY HAD A 15 FOOT SETBACK.
AND WE, WE DO INTERPRET THE CODE AS TO IF YOU HAVE A, THERE, THERE IS A, UM, THERE'S A PIECE IN THE CODE THAT SAYS IF IT'S AN OPEN, AN OPEN STRUCTURE MM-HMM
SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T TAKE THAT TO BE, UM, AN ENCROACHMENT ON THE UP TO FIVE FEET.
IT, WE DON'T CONSIDER IT AN ENCROACHMENT.
ONCE YOU CLOSE IT IN, IT CHANGES THE STRUCTURE.
MY QUESTION IS MORE ALONG THE LINES, THE CODE THAT DIDN'T EXIST WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS BUILT, WAS THERE A COMMON SETBACK FOR ALL THE HOMES? YES.
LIKE MOST HAVE, THAT'S WHAT'S UNIQUE TO GET A CONSISTENT FRONTAGE, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN CHOOSE TO BE BEHIND THE SETBACK AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT WITHIN IT.
BUT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAD A, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT AT 15 FEET.
RIGHT? SO OBVIOUSLY IT WASN'T 15 FEET STANDARD SETBACK.
IT WAS JUST, IT'S THE, THE MINIMUM.
IT WAS, WELL, WELL THE, THE MINIMUM IS IMPOSED TODAY AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WAS THERE A, A SETBACK REQUIREMENT IS WHAT I'M ASKING? AND ARE ALL THE HOMES AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, WITHIN SOME SETBACK, AND THEN IS THIS HOME CONSISTENT WITH THAT SETBACK? WE WERE NOT ABLE TO FIND THE, THE PLED OF THE SUBDIVISION ORIGINAL, ORIGINAL PLANT.
BUT, UH, BY LOOKING AT THIS SUBDIVISION, IT'S, UH, WE ARE, WE'RE TAKING THE, THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN, IN THIS SUBDIVISION AND APPLYING IT TO THOSE NEW SUBDIVISIONS.
BUT WE'RE TAKING A NEW DEVELOPMENT STANDARD.
APPLYING IT TO AN OLD SUBDIVISION IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, NOT APPLYING IT TO NEW ONES.
WE'RE TAKING A NEW STANDARD, APPLYING IT TO AN OLD SUBDIVISION.
AND THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT COMPARISON.
IT'S, IT'S ODD TO ME THAT A ROOF LINE A FOUNDATION CAN ENCROACH AS LONG AS YOU DON'T CLOSE THE WALL IN, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A GENEROUS INTERPRETATION.
WELL, SO, SO THAT, THAT'S A QUESTION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE STRUCTURE OF THE HOME, WHICH THE ROOF IS A SIGNIFICANT PIECE OF, AND THE FOUNDATION IS A SIGNIFICANT PIECE OF IS THERE AND, AND IT IS WHERE IT IS.
AND SO IF THAT HOME WAS BUILT AT THAT POINT, THE, THE, THE ROOF, THE, THE WHERE THE ROOF COMES OUT AND THE, AND THE, THE FACE OF IT IS THE HOME FOR ALL PRACTICAL STANDARDS WHEN IT WAS BUILT.
AND, AND THEY COULD HAVE SET BACK 25 FEET, YOU KNOW, OF, OF OPEN PORCH, BUT THE HOUSE WENT TO THE END OF THE ROOF.
AND I JUST SORT OF APPLY TO, WHEN WE LOOK AT ENCROACHMENT ON THE SIDE, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS LOOK AT THE WALL, BUT WE HAVE HAD SOME CASES WHERE THE OVERHANG WAS AN ENCROACHMENT ISSUE.
SO AT AT WHAT POINT, AT WHAT PART OF THE STRUCTURE IS THE ENCROACHMENT MEASURED FROM? AND IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN EXISTING STRUCTURE IN AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD WITH NEW STANDARDS APPLIED TO IT, YOU KNOW, THE HOME WAS BUILT TO WHERE THE END OF THE ROOF
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IS.AND THAT WAS THE HOME OPEN PORCH OR NOT.
THAT WAS THE HOME, THAT WAS THE FOUNDATION, THAT WAS THE ROOF.
SO I, I GET THE INTERPRETATION OF THE NEW CODE AND THE LIBERAL, WELL, WE'RE NOT COUNTING THE ROOF.
IT'S REALLY THE ROOF OF THE HOUSE.
IT'S, IT'S THE ROOF OF THE HOUSE BECAUSE THE DESIGN INCLUDED THESE, THESE OPEN PORCHES, BUT THE FOUNDATION AND THE ROOF WENT ALL THE WAY TO THAT POINT.
SO, AND WE REALLY HAVE NO WAY TO TRACK BACK FAR ENOUGH TO FIND OUT WHEN THAT WAS, IF THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE THAT WAS ADDED ON LATER.
IT WAS, IT WAS VERY OBVIOUSLY DONE PRIOR TO OUR CURRENT ZONING CODE.
SO IT, IT, IT'S JUST THAT'S A BIG QUESTION MARK, UM, THAT WE JUST HAVE NO WAY TO ANSWER IT.
SO THAT, I MEAN, THAT IS UNFORTUNATE.
YOU, YOU WOULD THINK YOUR HOME COMES ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF THE ROOF.
THAT WAS MY THOUGHT INITIALLY.
QUESTION IS, IS THE PORCH, IT LOOKS LIKE THE PORCH IS ON BLOCKS, IS THE ENTIRE HOUSE ON BLOCKS? THERE'S NOT A, THERE'S NOT A, IT'S IN CONCRETE.
SLAB IS STILL UNDER THE PORCH LEFT.
THE, THE REMAINDER OF THE HOUSE, IS IT ON A SLAB OR IS IT ON TO THE 2008 PHOTO? SO THAT IS A CONCRETE SLAB.
I, WELL, I WAS TOLD THERE'S A SETBACK IS FROM THE FRONT DOOR.
SO, SO THE, UH, THE ACTUAL FLOOR OF THE HOUSE IS ABOVE THE CONCRETE SLAB? YES, SIR.
SO THERE'S A CONCRETE HAVE ACROSS, ACROSS WHATEVER.
SO THE HOUSE, SO THE HOUSE IS ON BLOCKS.
THERE'S, THERE WAS AT SOME POINT A CONCRETE PORCH ACROSS THE ENTIRE OF THERE IS STILL OUT SLAB UNDERNEATH.
IS THERE A CONCRETE SLAB UNDER THE HOUSE? OKAY.
YEAH, I CAN SEE THE, WAS HERE, HIS HOUSE IS THE SAME WAY.
YOU CAN EVEN SEE THE CONCRETE STEPS UP TOO, THE 16 FOUR BY FOUR.
AND I AROUND THEM WITH, WITH, UM, RANGE DECK ON IT.
CONCRETE STEPS ARE STILL THERE.
WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A, UM, YOU KNOW, WE SOMETIMES STRUGGLE WHEN ONE OR TWO ITEMS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SENSE KIND OF GET THROUGH, BUT WE'VE GOT LIKE A HALF A DOZEN OF THEM CORRECT.
AND THE HARD PART, I WAS JUST TRYING TO LOOK FOR SOME BASIS FOR, YOU KNOW, DID, IS THIS STRUCTURE SOMEWHAT IN, IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, EVEN THOUGH THE CODE AS INTERPRETED WOULD PUT OUT OF COMPLIANCE.
AND, AND REMEMBER TOO, OUR, I KNOW YOU GUYS WOULD DO THAT.
OUR, OUR EFFORTS IS TO BE CONSISTENT IN HOW WE INTERPRET THESE.
AND, AND WHICH CAN BE DIFFICULT.
AND AGAIN, WE TRY TO BE AS GENEROUS AS WE CAN BECAUSE WE, WE DON'T WANT TO CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR, FOR PEOPLE THAT OWN HOMES, THAT'S OWN HOMES.
THAT'S NOT OUR, OUR, OUR PURPOSE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE'VE KIND OF MADE A DETERMINATION ON A SIMILAR TYPE STRUCTURE, WE, WE REALLY, WE TRY TO CARRY THAT THROUGH AS LONG AS IT SEEMS TO MAKE SOME SENSE.
THIS ONE WAS DONE WITHOUT A PERMIT, WHICH IS WHAT STARTED THIS.
AND HAD THE HOMEOWNER COME IN AND TALK TO US PRIOR TO THAT, WE WOULD'VE EXPLAINED ALL THIS AND SAID, YOU KNOW, IT WAS PROBABLY A BETTER IDEA IF YOU PUT THE, THIS ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE OR EVEN ON THE SIDE WHERE THE GARAGE IS BECAUSE THERE'S SOME SPACE THERE.
OR BUILD IT INTO THE GARAGE AND BUILD A GARAGE FORWARD.
AND I KNOW THAT, THAT, UM, THAT ALL TAKES MONEY.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE HARDSHIP REQUIREMENT IN THE CODE DOESN'T, IT IGNORES THE COST.
SO LOGICAL EXPANSION OF A BEDROOM IS WHERE THE BEDROOM EXISTS.
NOT, NOT TO PUT, YOU KNOW, 20 SQUARE FEET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT DOESN'T NOT ATTACH TO THE BEDROOM.
BUT THEY WOULD'VE HAD TO JUST REMODEL THE HOME AND BUILD A NEW BEDROOM SOMEWHERE.
AND AGAIN, FINANCE IS NOT AN ISSUE, BUT I'M JUST, JUST, IT'S NOT LIKE TAKE THIS EXTENSION AND PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT DOESN'T GET YOU WHAT YOU NEED.
AND YOU KNOW, I THINK, I MEAN, I I, I GREW UP IN A TWO BEDROOM, YOU KNOW, ONE BATH HOUSE THAT THE ONLY WAY TO GO WAS UP.
I LIVED IN AN ATTIC, BUT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS FOR ME IS, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M STRUGGLING WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE PRESENT, UH, AND, AND THERE'S SO MANY OF THESE, UM, ITEMS THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN GET THROUGH THAT MANY OF 'EM.
SO ANY COMMENTS ARE HOW LONG MY ATTEMPT, HOW LONG HAVE YOU OWNED THE HOME? UH, FRIDAY.
WHEN DID YOU, WHEN DID YOU DO THAT BUILD OUT? ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
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ROOF AS WE SEE IT ABOVE THE PORCH, THE CEILING, THAT HEAD SPACE, WHAT'S UP THERE? ANYTHING ATTIC SPACE? IS IT, IT'S ACTUALLY SOMEWHAT CLOSED OFF FROM THE REST OF THE HOUSE.SO IT'S NOT REALLY EVEN ACCESSIBLE AS SPACE.
LIKE I SAID, THAT GOING UPWARDS.
BUT AREA AT ONE POINT THERE'S NOT, NOT ENOUGH CEILING THERE.
IT'S, UH, AND THEN FROM THE ATTIC THAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE GARAGE, THE REST OF THE INSIDE IS OPEN.
BUT THAT IS ALMOST, I'M, I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO THE FRONT WALL GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE ATTIC.
THAT, AND SEE, THAT'S IT, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE THAT THAT FRONT PORCH THING WAS ORIGINAL, NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE.
NOT THAT IT NECESSARILY MATTERS, BUT LIKE GILBERT, I'M TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORICAL LATE, THE, WHAT HAPPENED HISTORICALLY WITH THE SETBACK AND WHERE IT WAS.
AND, AND IT'S, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THE FRONT PORCH PERHAPS WAS NOT ORIGINAL TO THE CONSTRUCTION COVER, WAS THE PORCH BAND, THE EXTENSION.
IF ALL THE OTHERS WITH PORCHES ARE 15 FEET BACK FROM THE PORCH ITSELF, THIS WOULD LEND ITSELF TO BELIEVE THAT THE PORCH WASN'T PART OF THE ORIGINAL, ORIGINAL HOME.
THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING FOR WHAT YOU FOUND ANY SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
AND, AND WHEN I DID THE DRIVE BY ON IT, I NOTICED, AND OF COURSE I, I DIDN'T IS ANECDOTAL, I DIDN'T COUNT OR TAKE SURVEY OR ANYTHING OFFICIAL, BUT I NOTICED THAT PROPERTIES ON EITHER SIDE SEEMED TO BE SET BACK FURTHER FROM THE STREET THAN, THAN THIS.
SO HAS ACTUALLY THE TWO HOUSES STRAIGHT ACROSS THE STREET LOOKING AT THE HOUSE AND THE YARD AND EVERYTHING.
ANYTHING ELSE? UNLESS I HAVE ANYTHING.
WELL, LET ME, UH, I THINK I NEED TO OFFICIALLY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, WE'VE ALREADY DONE A WHOLE LOT DISCUSSING WE WOULDN'T DO AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO STAFF OR ANY OTHER COMMENT? I'LL MAKE UP MY COMMENTS.
AND YOU'VE ALREADY MENTIONED 'EM, GILBERT HAVE, IF YOU COUNT 'EM UP, THEY, YOU KNOW, OUR 10 CRITERIA WOULD HAVE TO BE MET TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE HAVE TO BE MET, RIGHT, COUNSELOR? YES.
AND WE'RE MISSING AT LEAST FIVE, IF NOT SIX, MEETING THE CRITERIA.
UM, I'M VERY CONSTERNATED OVER NOT BEING ABLE TO APPROVE THIS IN MY OPINION, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN, MY, MY THOUGHTS.
MY, MY FIRST LOGICAL CONCLUSION WAS THAT THE HOUSE ALREADY GOES THAT FAR.
UM, LISTENING TO MORE OF THE INTERPRETATION, I READ IT, BUT I DIDN'T READ IT OR UNDERSTAND IT THE WAY YOU PRESENTED IT.
'CAUSE I THOUGHT IT'S THERE DIDN'T GET A PERMIT.
SHOULD HAVE, BUT IT'S, IT'S STILL WITHIN THE, THE GROUP STRUCTURE, THE FOUNDATION STRUCTURE, THE LIMITS OF THE BOX, SO TO SPEAK.
BUT IT IS NOW APPARENT THAT THE BOX ORIGINALLY PROBABLY WAS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND NOT THE END OF THE PORCH.
AND SO THAT, THAT KIND OF CHANGES THINGS IN TERMS OF WHERE THE HOUSE SITS, SETBACKS, THAT AT THE TIME, I, I, I STRUGGLE WITH, YOU KNOW, NEW, NEW REQUIREMENTS IN OLD PROPERTIES.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE SOMETIMES CAN MAKE SOME LITTLE LENIENCY BECAUSE OF THE CONSISTENCY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT HERE, IF, IF MOST, IF THE OTHER HOMES THAT HAVE THESE PORCHES AND EVEN HAVE ENCLOSED ARE STILL 15 FEET BACK, WELL THEN THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN COMPARTMENT.
APPARENTLY WE'RE SET BACK FARTHER TO BEGIN WITH THIS PORCH.
UM, ONE LAST QUESTION I HAVE, UH, IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS, WHAT IS THE NEXT ACTION BY THE CITY TO THE HOMEOWNER? WE WILL ASK THE HOMEOWNER TO REMOVE THIS, UH, ADDITION AND BRING IT TO COMPLIANCE, WHICH HE COULD HAVE TWO FEET ONLY OF THIS ADDITION.
UM, GOING BACK TO HERE, AS WE SAID, UH, THIS IS THE 15 FEET FRONTIER SIT BACK LINE.
SO IF THEY KEPT THE, THIS ADDITION TO TWO FEET INSTEAD OF SIX FEET, THEN THEY WILL BE IN CONFINED.
IF THEY CLOSED ONLY THIS PORTION, THE WESTERN PORTION THERE, THERE IS CURRENTLY A, UM, A CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE OPEN ON THIS PROPERTY, BUT WE PUT IT ON
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HOLD IN ORDER TO ALLOW THEM TO COME IN AND REQUEST THE VARIANCE.SO WE WOULD CONTINUE WITH THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT, UM, EFFORT AND GO WHERE WE NEED TO GO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? IT HAS NOT, UH, I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION, UH, EITHER TO APPROVE OR TO DECLINE OR TO NOT APPROVE, UH, THE REQUESTED VARIANCE.
MR. WILSON, I REGRETFULLY, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THIS REQUEST FOR VARIANCE MOTION A SECOND THAT THEY NOT, I MOVE THAT WE, UH, WE DENY THIS VARIANCE.
I CAN REGRETFULLY SECOND THAT MOTION.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO DENY THE REQUEST, YOU SAY AYE.
SHE'S OUTSIDE AND SHE PROBABLY WOULDN'T FALL AT LEAST HARD WHEN I NICE PEOPLE.
THAT'S SUCH A COLORFUL LOOKING.
YEAH, YOU SAID, IF YOU ARE, GO FOR IT.
DID YOU READ THE ITEM ALREADY? YES.
WELL, NO, I DIDN'T, I'M SORRY.
I WAS DISTRACTED FOR A SECOND.
[a. Conduct a public hearing and consider an appeal of the text interpretation of the Planning and Development Services Director regarding the definition of a "Parking, Commercial" in the Unified Land Development Code.]
A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AN APPEAL TO THE TEXT INTERPRETATION OF FINDING IN, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR, GOVERNOR, REGARDING THE DEFINITION OF A PARKING COMMERCIAL AND UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPER CODE.AND PLEASE SUMMARIZE WHAT YOU DID.
SO, UM, AS, UH, MR. WILSON HAS, UH, DESCRIBED, THIS IS AN APPEAL OF SPECIFICALLY MY INTERPRETATION OF THE DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL, UM, AND EVERYTHING THAT KIND OF COMES WITH THAT.
SO I'M ACTUALLY GONNA SHOW YOU IN CONTEXT, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU THE, THE, UM, THE APPLICATION THAT KIND OF CAUSED THIS INTERPRETATION.
BUT I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER THAT AS YOU, AS YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, THAT IT'S JUST FOR CONTEXT, BECAUSE WHETHER IT WAS IN THIS SPOT OR DIFFERENCE SPOT WOULDN'T HAVE MADE ANY DIFFERENCE.
MY INTERPRETATION IS BASED ON THE CODE ITSELF.
SO, UM, IN CHAPTER FOUR OF THE CITY CODE, IT LISTS OUT, UH, ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT BOARDS AND, AND WHAT THOSE, WHAT THOSE DIFFERENT, UM, AUTHORITIES ARE IN THERE.
IT LISTS OUT BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND THE, UM, THE, THERE ARE TWO REASONS FOR, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF AN APPEAL OF, OF ONE OF OUR STAFF DECISIONS.
UM, THE FIRST ONE IS WHERE THERE'S AN ERROR MADE IN A DECISION BY ANY CITY OFFICIAL.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS TO APPEAL AN INTERPRETATION OF THE TEXT, OF THE ZONING.
UM, AND THIS IS SPECIFICALLY, UM, MADE BY ME.
UM, REMEMBER THAT SOMETIMES THAT IS HANDED DOWN AS THE DIRECTOR OR HIS DESIGNEE IN THIS CASE IT DID COME TO ME.
SO, UH, SO I CAN WALK THROUGH THE SORT OF THE, THE, THE ENTIRE PROCESS.
UM, IN EARLY, EARLIER THIS YEAR, AN APPLICANT DID COME IN AND SPEAK ABOUT A POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL PARKING FACILITY.
AND THIS WAS GOING TO BE SOLELY FOR SEMI-TRUCK.
UM, THIS WOULD BE FOR PAY, THIS WOULD BE TEMPORARY PARKING, AND IT WOULD BE LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF LEE DRIVE AND TRAVIS STREET.
THE REASON THIS IS IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE IT IS IN A GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONE IN THE GC ZONE.
UM, AT THAT TIME, ONCE I GOT ALL OF THE, THE INFORMATION, I DID MAKE A DETERMINATION, A DETERMINATION THAT THIS IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE GC ZONE AT THIS TYPE OF USE.
SO AGAIN, FOR CONTEXT, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU WHERE THIS ONE IS AT.
YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO 1 46 IS ON THE SOUTH END OF TOWN.
UM, JUST ON THE, THE FRONT'S ON LEE DRIVE AND IS THE SIDE IS THE, IS TRAVIS STREET.
YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, TO THE EAST IS LARGELY JUST A WOODED LOT TO THE NORTH IS ESTABLISHED.
NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE WEST IS ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND TO THE SOUTH IS, UH, ANOTHER COMMERCIAL TYPE LOT.
AND YOU DO ALSO SEE OVER IN THIS AREA IS SOME SORT OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL
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TYPE USES.AGAIN, THE ZONING, UH, THE ZONING BEARS THAT OUT AS WELL.
THE RED IS ALL GENERAL COMMERCIAL, WHICH THIS LOT IS LOCATED.
THE, TO THE EAST IS, UH, SF TWO, WHICH IS A SINGLE FAMILY.
SO THE NORTH IS, IT'S A MIXED USE ZONE.
UH, BUT THAT DOES, UH, AGAIN, WHEN THE MIXED USE ZONE CAME IN, IT WAS KIND OF ALLOWED AS A CATCHALL.
AND SO, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE ESTABLISHED AS, AS RESIDENTIAL TO THE WEST IS SF TWO.
AND THE GRAY THAT YOU CAN SEE OVER HERE IS A LIGHTENED BUFFER.
THIS IS WHAT THE SITE, SO AGAIN, FOR CONTEXT, I WANTED YOU TO JUST KIND OF SEE THE INTENSITY OF THE USE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, THIS WOULD BE, THIS SITE PLAN IS ROUGHLY 200, THE 200 PARKING SPACES, SO 200 SEMI TRUCKS.
UH, THAT, THAT'S ALL THEY WOULD DO.
THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE A, A DUMPSTER IN THE BACK HERE.
AND THEN THEY HAD A SMALL FACILITY HERE THAT WOULD HOUSE A VERY SMALL OFFICE WITH, UM, WITH RESTROOMS, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY, UH, THE BUILDING.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE RATIONALE AND HOW WE KIND OF GOT TO THIS DETERMINATION.
FIRST OFF, WE ARE LOOK AT, UM, THE DEFINITIONS IN THE ULDC.
SO THE DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL PARKING IS, UH, UH, LAND USE FOR TEMPORARY PARKING OF VEHICLES OR A FEE, AND THEN IT COULD INCLUDE A STRUCTURE, AND THEN DELIVERY OF ITEMS WOULD NOT BE, UH, CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL PARKING, PARKING OF SEMI TRUCKS IS NOT SPECIFICALLY DEFINED BY CODE.
NOW, I WILL BRING YOU BACK TO THE DEFINITION, UH, THAT I SHOWED FIRST, WHICH IS PARCEL OF LAND OR STRUCTURE USED FOR TEMPORARY PARKING OF VEHICLES FOR A FEE.
IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT SEMI-TRUCKS.
IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY PROHIBIT SEMI-TRUCK.
THIS IS PART OF THE INTERPRETATION THAT WE'RE GONNA KIND OF GET TO IN A COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
THE, UH, SECTION 2.04 OF THE ULDC DEFINES OUR, OUR DISTRICTS.
THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY IS A COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
SO N GC IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE FOR A VARIETY OF USES LIKE OFFICES, RETAIL, COMMERCIAL SERVICES, AND THAT THESE ARE MIXED, THIS IS STRAIGHT OUTTA THE CODE MIXED WITHIN BUILDINGS, VERTICALLY, HORIZONTALLY.
UM, IT IS ALSO UNDERSTOOD THAT THESE USES IN GC ARE USUALLY INSIDE THE BUILDINGS.
THEY CAN HAVE OUTDOOR DISPLAY FROM MERCHANDISE, AND THEY CAN HAVE SOME STORAGE OF MATERIALS AS LONG AS IT'S SCREENED IN A PARTICULAR WAY.
AND THEN THE GC DISTRICT ALSO CAN BE USED.
THIS, THIS IS LESS, UM, THIS IS LESS RELEVANT TO THIS CONVERSATION, BUT IT IS PART OF THE OVERALL CONTEXT THAT THE GC DISTRICT CAN BE USED AS A SORT OF A BUFFER DISTRICT BETWEEN, UH, DISTRICTS THAT ARE OF VARYING INTENSITIES.
SO THEN LET'S GO TO THE LAND USE TABLE.
THE LAND USE TABLE SHOWS US WHAT IS ALLOWED AND WHAT IS NOT ALLOWED IN EACH ONE OF THE DISTRICTS.
SO YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE.
HOPEFULLY YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE.
THAT BASICALLY HAS THE DISTRICTS ACROSS THE TOP, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THE USE AND A AND A ROW THAT SHOWS EITHER A P OR A PC AND ANY CONDITIONS THAT ARE PART OF THAT.
IF IT'S A P, IT'S PERMITTED WITHOUT CONDITIONS.
IF IT'S PC, IT IS PERMITTED WITH CONDITIONS.
AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THE REFERENCES TO THE CONDITIONS TO THE RIGHT.
IN THIS CASE, YOU'LL SEE THAT PARKING COMMERCIAL, YOU GO OVER TO GC, WHICH IS THE FOURTH ONE OVER, IS PERMITTED WITHOUT CONDITIONS.
SO AGAIN, FULL DISCLOSURE HERE, COMMERCIAL PARKING IS, IS PERMITTED, IT IS NOT PERMITTED IN SOME OF THE OTHER DIS IN ANY OF THE OTHER DISTRICTS EXCEPT FOR LC, WHICH IS OUR LOUISVILLE, LOUISVILLE CENTERS.
UM, SEMI-TRUCK PARKING IS NOT LISTED IN THE TABLE.
NOW, THERE IS A FOOTNOTE ON THE TABLE.
IT SAYS IF THERE'S NEITHER A P OR A PC, IT MEANS THAT IT IS NOT ALLOWED.
SO ANY OF THESE, ANY OF THESE BLANK SPOTS WOULD SAY, OKAY, YOU CANNOT HAVE A COMMERCIAL PARKING FACILITY IN, UM, MU OR AN NSC, SO FORTH.
NOW WE HAVE ALSO INTERPRETED THE CODE, AND THIS IS VERY COMMON, UH, ACROSS MY CAREER, ACROSS THE PLACES THAT I'VE WORKED.
UM, WE HAVE INTERPRETED THE CODE TO MEAN IF IT IS NOT A LISTED USE IN THE TABLES AT ALL, IT IS NOT, IT IS NOT PERMITTED.
SO I'M GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME SIMILAR USES, UM, THAT ARE DEFINED AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN TO SAY, OKAY, MAYBE SEMI-TRUCK PARKING'S NOT, UH, NOT DEFINED
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AND NOT PERMITTED IN A SPECIFIC PLACE.BUT ARE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER PARTS OF THE CODE THAT WOULD LEAD US IN A PARTICULAR DIRECTION THAT MIGHT HAVE SOME SIMILAR USES? SO THE FIRST ONE IS A TRUCK STOP.
UM, A TRUCK STOP REALLY DIFFERS FROM A COMMERCIAL PARKING FACILITY BECAUSE IT INCLUDES RETAIL RESTAURANTS, UH, GAS STATION, BOTH FOR CARS AND FOR SEMI TRUCKS.
THIS IS THE ONLY USE THAT ALLOWS FOR ANY OVERNIGHT PARKING SEMI TRUCKS IN THE GC DISTRICT.
UM, NOW REMEMBER TOO, THE TRUCK STOPS ARE ONLY PERMITTED UNDER VERY SPECIFIC CONDITIONS.
UH, IT HAS TO BE LOCATED ON A LOT WITH FRONTAGE TO I 10 OR THOMPSON ROAD, OR WITHIN 2000 FEET OF THAT INTERSECTION OF I 10 AND THOMPSON ROAD.
SO OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS WRITTEN WITH A VERY SPECIFIC INTENT FOR A TRUCK STOP.
CAN I JUST CLARIFY A QUESTION? YES, SIR.
IT APPEARS TO ME THAT LITTLE SOUTH HAS TRUCKS THERE THAT I TRUCK STOP.
UM, SO LET'S GO BACK TO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK, I'M JUST SAYING IT.
I HEARD THAT OFF I 10 OR THOMPSON ROAD, BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE TRUCK STOPS IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF TOWN.
REMEMBER A TRUCK STOP WITH THIS DEFINITION.
THINK OF A TRUCK LIKE A FLYING J WHERE YOU PULL IN AND THEY'VE GOT LOTS OF TRUCK PARKING OVER HERE WITH, WITH SPECIFIC, UH, GAS PUMPS AND THINGS FOR TRUCKS.
THEN YOU HAVE SHOWER FACILITIES, YOU'LL HAVE A RESTAURANT, YOU HAVE A BIG CONVENIENCE STORE.
ALL OF THOSE THINGS COMBINED WOULD TO US BE A TRUCK STOP.
IF IT'S A PLACE WHERE YOU'RE DOING SOME SORT OF BUSINESS AND YOU PULL TRUCKS IN AND OUT IN ORDER TO, IN ORDER TO DELIVER OR PICK UP STUFF THAT IS NOT, WE WOULDN'T CONSIDER THAT A TRUCK STOP.
WE DON'T NEED TRUCK, BUT OKAY.
IT LOOKS LIKE A MINI TRUCK STOP.
IS THERE A TRUCK PARKED IN THE BACK? NOT DELIVERY.
THEY'RE JUST YOU TALKING ABOUT THE VALERO, THE WHATEVER'S ON THE CORNER OF LEE DRIVE AND THE VALERO NINE NINE THERE.
THAT VALERO HAS PROBABLY BEEN THERE A LONG TIME TOO.
IT'S PROBABLY BEEN THERE SINCE BEFORE THIS DEFINITION WAS.
UM, SO WHEN THE REGULATION FOR A TRUCK STOP WAS, UM, WAS ADOPTED, THERE REALLY WAS A DETERMINATION MADE THAT, THAT THIS TYPE OF USE IS TOO INTENSIVE FOR OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY.
UH, THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR NEGATIVE IMPACTS AND, UH, ANY SURROUNDING LISTS INTENSIVE USES WOULD BE FEELING THOSE IMPACTS SUCH AS RESIDENTIAL OR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.
UM, REALLY THE INTENT OF THE REGULATION WAS TO PROHIBIT THIS TYPE OF INTENSIVE USE FROM DISTURBING CHARACTER OF ANY ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THEN THE OTHER ITEM THAT'S IN HERE IS A TRAVEL CENTER.
AND TRAVEL CENTER IS LISTED PRETTY, IT'S A PRETTY CLOSE DEFINITION.
REALLY THE DIFFERENCE IS IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE OVERNIGHT PARKING OF SEMI TRUCKS.
THESE ARE BOTH ALLOWED IN GC AGAIN, TRUCK STOP IS ONLY ALLOWED IN A VERY SPECIFIC AREA AND THE TRAVEL CENTER IS, IS A LITTLE BIT, IT DOES HAVE CONDITIONS, BUT IT'S ALSO ALLOWED A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, WIDELY ACROSS THE COMMUNITY SEE ZONE.
SO REALLY WHEN WE GET DOWN TO THE INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE, AGAIN, THE CODE DOES NOT INCLUDE A DEFINITION OF SEMI-TRUCK PARKING.
WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT IT AS A CONVENTIONAL INTERPRETATION THAT A REGULAR COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT IS CARS, VAN PICKUP TRUCKS, MOTORCYCLES.
UM, IT REALLY IS A MUCH LESS INTENSE NATURE THAN A PARKING LOT THAT IS JUST FOR SEMIS.
AND THE SEMIS, AGAIN, IN FOR CONTEXT, WE LOOK AT THIS ONE AS 200 SEMIS, UH, MAXIMUM COMING IN AT ONE TIME AND BEING THERE FOR TEMPORARY, BUT WE KNOW AT LEAST OVERNIGHT, SOMETIMES A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAT, UH, THAN THAT FOR PAY.
UM, WE KNOW THAT THAT'S GONNA HAVE A HIGH LEVEL OF NOISE AND SMELLS AND THE TRAFFIC IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
IT REALLY DOESN'T FIT INTO OUR INTERPRETATION OF WHAT A COMMERCIAL PARKING FACILITY IS.
IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE CLASSIFIED AS ITS OWN USE.
UM, AS OF WHICH OUR, OUR CODE CURRENTLY DOES NOT INCLUDE, AND THEREFORE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY LISTED IN THE USE TABLE, THEN WE AGAIN INTERPRET THAT, THAT THAT USE IS PROHIBITED.
IS THERE A, IS THERE A SYMBOL OR LETTER FOR SEMI TRUCK? NO.
IT'S REALLY NOT PART OF THE CODE AT ALL.
SO THIS IS, AGAIN, THIS IS AN INTERPRETATION, UM, BASED ON REALLY THIS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE HIGH LEVEL OF NOISE AND IMPACT IN THE TRAFFIC, THAT IT REALLY DOES NOT FIT INTO WHAT THE INTENT OF A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT WAS, WAS TO
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BE, AGAIN, THAT SORT OF CONVENTIONAL, UH, DEFINITION OF A COMMERCIAL PARKING.AND, AND INDEED, UM, AND I DROVE OVER THERE THIS AFTERNOON.
UH, THE NOISE, THE SMELLS, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT, ESPECIALLY ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST, JUST TO THE NORTH AND THE WEST WOULD BE HORRENDOUS.
SO AGAIN, I WANT TO GO BACK THOUGH TOO, THE, THE REASON WE I EVEN BROUGHT IN THIS LOCATION WAS FOR CONTEXT, RIGHT? THIS COULD HAPPEN ANYWHERE.
ANYWHERE THERE'S A GC ZONE, WE WOULD OUT THERE WITH YOU, WE WOULD HAVE THE SAME, WE WOULD HAVE THE SAME INTERPRETATION.
ALRIGHT? SO THE END RESULT IS, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT YOU AS A BOARD UPHOLD THE DIRECTOR'S INTERPRETATION.
SEMI-TRUCK PARKING IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE DEFINITION OF PARKING COMMERCIAL AND THEREFORE NOT ALLOWED IN THE GC ZONE OTHER THAN WHERE YOU HAVE OVERNIGHT PARKING THAT IS ALLOWED ON YOUR TRUCK.
SO WITH THAT HAPPEN TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER THAN THAT.
I DUNNO WHETHER I SHOULD ASK THIS QUESTION BEFORE THE VOTE OR AFTER, BUT MM-HMM
SO BEFORE OKAY, THANKS MR. WILSON.
UM, WHERE THEN IS, IS IF WE, IF WE UPHOLD YOUR DECISION AND LET'S JUST SAY THAT ESTABLISHES A PRECEDENT CITYWIDE, WHERE THEN WOULD A FACILITY OF THE PROPOSED NATURE FIT UP THERE AT THOMPSON ROAD IN I 10? IS THAT THE ONLY PLACE OR WOULD IT EVEN FIT THERE? SO FIRST I'LL, I'LL FIRST ADDRESS KIND OF HOW YOU, HOW YOU PUT THAT, UNDERSTAND THAT THE BOARD OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT DOES NOT CREATE POLICY.
SO, SO, UM, SO I, I WOULD LOOK AT IT, UM, FROM MY POSITION AND I WOULD CONSIDER ANY NEW INFORMATION THAT COMES TO PLAY.
BUT ANYTHING ELSE THAT COMES IN, CHANCES ARE PRETTY GOOD.
IF IT'S IN A GC ZONE, IF IT'S IN AN INDUSTRIAL ZONE, THEN, THEN I MAY HAVE TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT.
BUT SO FAR WE'VE NOT HAD THAT REQUEST.
SO IF THERE WAS PROPERTY THAT WAS ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, THIS TYPE OF FACILITY FIT TECHNICALLY STILL ISN'T ALLOWED.
SO THERE'S NO ALLOWANCE FOR THIS TYPE OF FACILITY WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS? CITY LIMITS, CORRECT.
BUT IF WE HAD TO, IF WE HAD TO MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT IT'S ALLOWED SOMEWHERE, THEN I WOULD SAY, WELL, YOU CAN ALLOW IT IN EITHER AN, AN HI OR AN ALLY SECOND IF I WAS FORCED TO MAKE THAT INTERPRETATION.
SECOND OF ALL, AND THIS IS JUST A TANGENTIAL ISSUE, IF TRUCK STOPS ARE ONLY ALLOWED IN BAYTOWN UP IN THE I 10 THOMPSON ROAD AREA, THAT MEANS NONE ALONG 99, NONE ANYWHERE ELSE JUST THERE.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT FUTURE, UH, TRUCK STOP APPROVED AREAS SPECIFICALLY ON 99? IS, IS WHAT COMES TO MIND? UM, I'LL JUST REMIND YOU, IT'S KIND OF IRRELEVANT TO, TO THE APPEAL.
UM, THAT, UH, NO, I'VE NOT HEARD ANYTHING AT THIS STAGE.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT, THAT BACK TO BACK TO THIS, UM, TOPIC ON THE, THE, THE, UM, ON THE TOPIC OF PARKING FOR TRUCKS, WE DO KNOW THAT SEMI-TRUCK DO NOT HAVE GOOD PLACES TO PARK ANYWHERE IN BAYTOWN.
SO WHERE DO THEY PARK? THEY PARK ON THE INTERSTATE, UH, UM, RAMPS.
THEY PARK, THEY MIGHT PARK, PARK IN WALMART PARKING LOT.
AS LONG AS THEY CAN TELL THEY GET RUN OUT OF THERE.
THEY MIGHT PARK IN SOME OF THE INDUSTRIAL AREAS, WHICH WE WOULD NEVER KNOW BECAUSE WE DON'T GO OUT THERE AT NIGHT.
AND THAT'S PRIMARILY WHEN IT WOULD, AND IF IT'S DURING THE DAY, WE ASSUME IT'S PART OF THEIR BUSINESS AND IT'S JUST, IT'S WHAT IT'S SO, BUT THEY ALSO PARKED AT THE CLOSE STOP AND GO AT GARTH AND BROOK, WE FINISH UP THERE FOR THREE DAYS AND THAT IS AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.
SO, BUT WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO, YEAH, I I AND I, I, YEAH.
AND I KNOW OTHER ONES LIKE THIS TOO.
WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE PLANNERS, UM, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO POINTED THIS OUT AND SAID, WELL, WHY DON'T WE PROVIDE A PLACE FOR THEM TO PARK? WHY DON'T WE PROVIDE SOMETHING IN THE CODE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE TRUCKS TO PARK WHERE IT'S NOT GONNA GET IN PEOPLE'S WAY, WHERE IT'S NOT GOING TO CREATE AN IMPACT ON NEIGHBORHOODS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WELL, NOT RISK STOP LIKE WE USED HAVE, WE DON'T CONTROL THAT.
WHAT WE WOULD, AGAIN AS A STAFF, WE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ULDC UPDATE.
NOW WE HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP TO THE CONSULTANT THAT IT WAS, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE THOUGHT WAS WORTH SAYING.
WE ARE VERY INDUSTRIAL, WE'RE VERY, UM, UM, CARGO CENTRIC,
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UH, ECONOMY IN THIS, IN THIS COMMUNITY.WITH THAT WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT TRUCKS ARE A PART OF THAT.
BUT WHERE WE ALLOW THOSE TRUCKS TO PARK OR GO, THAT'S, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONTROL.
SO IF WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT OUT HERE BREAKING OUR REGULATIONS, THAT WE PROVIDE A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN LEGALLY PARK AND DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, AGAIN, I WOULD NEVER SUGGEST THAT GC IS THE PLACE FOR THAT.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT AS A POSSIBILITY BECAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO, AS A COMMUNITY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT.
WELL, MOST OF, AND I CAN'T SAY ALL, BUT MOST OF OUR GC AREAS BACK UP TO RESIDENTIAL.
CAN I JUST CLARIFY A QUESTION? ALL THESE, UH, THE ULDC, I'M STILL NOT CLEAR.
IS IT CITY LIMITS ONLY OR ETJ AS WELL? IT'S, UH, FOR PURPOSES OF OUR DISCUSSION TODAY, IT'S CITY LIMITS ONLY.
NOT THIS DISCUSSION, BUT JUST IN GENERAL, EXTENDING THE ETJ, IF SOMEONE'S TRYING TO BUILD THIS FACILITY NINE, NINE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS IN AN AREA THAT'S ALL IN HOUSING AND ALL THAT.
IS, IS THIS STILL APPLICABLE TO THAT AREA? NO, UNLESS IT'S PART OF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, IN WHICH CASE WE, IT WOULD BE SPECIFIC TO THAT DEVELOPMENT.
I ONLY GOT NORTH MAIN, JUST NORTH OF I 10.
THERE'S, UH, A LOT OF LAND TO THE, TO THE WEST THAT HAS PARKING SEMIS AND CEMENT TRUNK AND YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S IN THE CITY LIMITS, BUT DEFINITELY TJ AND IF YOU WANNA LET US KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS LOOK AT THAT FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION.
BUT I, BUT IF IT'S OUTSIDE THE CITY, CHANCES ARE REALLY GOOD, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT.
I I KNOW THE CITY LIMITS UP NORTH MAIN NORTH BY 10 ARE NARROW.
BUT YEAH, SO I WAS JUST CLARIFYING IS BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHEN, IF YOU CAN DO IT ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD, YOU DRIVE THE CITY LIMITS, BUT YOU CAN'T DO IT ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD 'CAUSE YOU'RE IN THE CITY LIMITS.
THAT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE EITHER.
SO, UM, BUT ANYWAY, SO I, I'M CLEAR ON THIS OKAY.
AND ANOTHER, JUST REAL QUICK, WHO, WHAT CITY DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY UM, ENFORCES THIS CODE? MINE.
IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, UH, WE NEED TO OFFICIALLY CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
AND CAN WE STATE ON THE RECORD WHERE THE APPLICANT IS APPLICANT THAT THE APPLICANT'S NOT HERE.
NO ONE HERE TO SPEAK, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST SAYING.
YEAH, WE'LL PUT THAT IN THE MINUTES.
YEAH, SINCE, SINCE THERE IS NO ONE HERE TO SPEAK.
NOW OFFICIALLY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THAT WE, UH, DISCUSS IF WE NEED TO DISCUSS ANYMORE.
UH, IF NOT CONSIDER UH, UPHOLDING AS A BOARD, UH, APPEAL.
UPHOLD THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTORS, UM, RULING IF YOU WANT, IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE THE MOTION EXACTLY LIKE THAT.
THAT'S WHY I WORDED IT, THAT I MOVE THAT BINGO.
I MOVE IT TO UPHOLD THE DIRECTOR'S OFFICIAL INTERPRETATION.
IT SEMI-TRUCK PARKING IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE DEFINITION OF PARKING COMMERCIAL AND IS THEREFORE NOT ALLOWED IN THE GC ZONE EXCEPT WHERE A TRUCK STOP IS ALLOWED.
YOU GOT A SECOND? READ IT ALL AS A SECOND.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
SO YOU GUYS KNOW AS A, AS A SIDE NOTE, ANYTIME I PUT A RECOMMENDATION UP THERE, I'M GONNA WORD IT SO THAT YOU CAN READ IT VERBATIM AS LONG AS YOU AGREE WITH ME AND THEN IT'LL HOLD UP WITH THE FINDING.
OR IN THE FUTURE, IF I'M HERE, I MIGHT DRAFT A MOTION THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT HE WAS SAYING.
UM, DID YOU SAY BA BASED ON THE STAFF REPORT, BUT NOT IF YOU ARE THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
IF YOU, IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN.
I'M NOT JUST, WE'RE NOT GIVING YOU THE WORD FREELANCING, HUH? DISAGREE.
RIGHT? JUST GO ROAD, JUST MAKE STUFF UP.
[a. Receive a report from the Director of Planning and Development.]
ITEM FIVE AI'M GONNA APOLOGIZE AT THIS POINT.
DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO VOTE ON? NO SIR.
WE'RE JUST GONNA HEAR MARK'S REPORT.
I GOTTA NOTE THAT THE FOLKS AT MY OFFICE WHO NEED TO LEAVE DO NOT HAVE A KEY TO LOCK MY BUILDING.
THEREFORE I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE GOING ON.
I CAN RIP THROUGH THESE REALLY FAST.
UM, SO I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT WE HAD, UH, THESE ARE ITEMS THAT HAVE COME UP TO CITY COUNCIL AND UM, ACTUALLY THE FIRST ONE, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY ACTION ON THIS.
THIS IS AN ANNEXATION AND REZONE OF ABOUT A HUNDRED AND I SAY 140 ACRES AT 1 46 AND F AND 1405.
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THE REASON WE'VE TAKEN IT TO UH, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.UM, THIS WAS, THIS HAS HAD ISSUES AND HAS BEEN HELD UP, UM, BY COUNSEL AND BY THE APPLICANT FOR ABOUT SEVEN, EIGHT MONTHS NOW.
SO IF YOU'VE HEARD ME MENTION THAT ONE, IT HASN'T GONE ANYWHERE.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS WITH THE APPLICANT TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THEM WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.
UH, TEXT AMENDMENT TO MOVE THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS TO THE ULDC.
WHEN WE DID THE UPDATE IN THE FALL THAT WE MOVED ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT ITEMS INTO THE ULDC, IT WAS A LOT, IT WAS A HUNDRED PAGES WORTH OF STUFF.
WE DIDN'T GET EVERYTHING THIS WAS TO TAKE THAT AND MOVE IT IN WHERE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIRST PLACE.
UM, AND I'M GONNA JUMP DOWN TO THAT OTHER TEXT AMENDMENT, WHICH WAS, UH, VEHICLE AND BOAT SALES IN UH, GC THAT WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH HOW THE VEHICLE AND BOAT SALES WERE, UM, WERE BEING DEFINED.
THERE WAS A POUNDAGE LIMIT WHERE WE SAID OKAY, YOU CAN'T HAVE ANYTHING OVER 13,000 POUNDS.
AND WE WENT, I HAVE NO IDEA IF THAT'S 13,000 POUNDS OR NOT.
AND I HAVE NO WAY TO MEASURE THAT
SO WE CHANGED HOW THAT WAS MEASURED, WE CHANGED HOW THAT WAS DEFINED AND MADE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR SOMEONE WHO SPECIFICALLY ON THAT, THAT OTHER ONE ABOVE IT.
THEY WANTED TO REZONE TO DO SOME, I THINK IT WAS, UH, TRAILER SALES, WHICH WE PUT UNDER EQUIPMENT.
AND UH, HE KEPT SAYING, WELL I HAVE SOME, UH, HE'S LIKE, I'LL SHOW YOU TWO PICTURES.
THERE'S A PICTURE OF A OF A, A TRAILER THAT'S 12,000 POUNDS AND A PICTURE OF A TRAILER THAT IS 18,000 POUNDS.
YOU CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE OTHER THAN ONE HAS MORE LU NOTHING THAN THIS.
AND SO, BUT THAT DOESN'T TELL ME ANYTHING.
SO, UM, SO ANYWAY, SO THAT REZONE ALSO WENT THROUGH, UM, WAS, WAS APPROVED TO GC SO THAT HE COULD DO TRAILER SALES OUT THERE.
THE ONLY OTHER THINGS I WAS GONNA PASS ALONG WAS WE'VE HAD A BUNCH OF STAFF CHANGES OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
AS YOU KNOW, CHRIS CHAVIS WENT ON TO DAYTON TO BE THE DIRECTOR.
SO HE'S BEEN GONE A COUPLE MONTHS NOW.
UH, IF YOU REMEMBER TRISTAN, TRISTAN WAS HERE UNTIL ABOUT, HE'S BEEN GONE ABOUT TWO WEEKS, THREE WEEKS.
UH, HE TOOK A JOB AT MONTVILLE, YOU KNOW, AND UM, SO, UH, BUT WE HAVE HIRED A NEW GIS PERSON.
HE STARTED, UH, LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS, THREE WEEKS AGO.
WE HAVE HIRED A NEW ASSISTANT DIRECTOR.
HE ACTUALLY WORKED FOR THE CITY ABOUT 12, 11, 12 YEARS AGO.
SO YOUR NEXT MEETING HE WILL BE THERE.
AND, UH, LET'S SEE, WHO ELSE HAVE WE HIRED? WE'VE HIRED A NEW PLANNER.
HE WILL BE STARTING SOMETIME IN THE NEXT MONTH AND WE STILL HAVE A COUPLE OF POSITIONS OPEN THAT YOU GUYS WILL KIND OF SEE.
SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THAT, YOU WILL SEE A FEW NEW FACES OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS ALSO.
UM, I HAVE BEEN THREATENING, UH, SOME OFFICIAL TRAINING, WHICH I WANTED TO DO THIS MONTH.
SO I'M GOING TO MAKE TIME TO DO SOME TRAINING AS SOON AS I CAN.
AND WE WILL, WE WILL GO THROUGH THAT.
I'M GONNA DO A COUPLE OF ONE HOUR SESSIONS, UH, AFTER A MEETING.
SO, 'CAUSE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GO THROUGH THAT TRAINING.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GO THROUGH THAT TRAINING AND I DON'T THINK YOU EVER HAVE.
AND YOU'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD BOARD.
NOT THE, NOT THE ETHICS TRAINING.
THIS IS LIKE PLANNING TYPE STUFF.
THIS IS THE FULL BOARD TRAINING.
SO HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN ON THE BOARD? FOREVER.
AND NEVER GOT, IT'S NINE YEARS, BUT, BUT IT, BUT IT COULD BE OF FIVE YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD AT LEAST.
'CAUSE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD AT LEAST 12 YEARS AND HE WAS, HE WAS THE OLD TIMER WHEN I CAME.
OKAY, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, UM, FOR MY REPORT.
IF YOU CAN'T FIND A KEY, I'LL PROBABLY STILL HAVE ONE SINCE THAT WAS MY BUILDING BEFORE
'CAUSE THEY DON'T MAKE 'EM ANYMORE.
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