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[ CITY OF BAYTOWN NOTICE OF MEETING CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION THURSDAY, MAY 25, 2023 5:00 P.M. COUNCIL CHAMBER, CITY HALL 2401 MARKET STREET, BAYTOWN, TEXAS 77520 AGENDA CALL TO ORDER AND ANNOUNCEMENT OF QUORUM ]
ORDER.WE ARE IN BAYTOWN CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
[a. Receive a presentation to review and discuss the Boards and Commissions process improvements plan and clarify the creation and dissolving of a Board or Commission. ]
ITEM WE HAVE FOR DISCUSSION IS TO RECEIVE A PRESENTATION TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS, PLANS, AND CLARIFY THE CREATION AND DISSOLVING OF A BOARD OR COMMISSION.UH, I'M NOT SURE THERE'S FEW COMMENTS, UH, AT LEAST FROM THE, EITHER FROM MS. JACKSON OR ANYONE ELSE FROM THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
I'M GONNA BEGIN THE PRESENTATION, MAYOR.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
WE ARE HERE TODAY JUST AS A FOLLOW UP FROM THE WORK SESSION THAT WAS HELD ON MARCH 9TH WITH REGARD TO OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
AT THAT MEETING, THE CITY ATTORNEY SCOTT LAMONT WAS PRESENT.
SO I WILL BE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, AND MY NAME IS KRISTEN HOLMES.
SO, AS WE ALL KNOW, THE PURPOSE OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IS TO BROADEN CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT AND MAXIMIZE CITIZEN INPUT.
WE DISCUSSED THAT AT OUR MARCH 9TH WORK SESSION.
OUR INTENTIONS AND GOALS THROUGHOUT THIS PRESENTATION IS JUST TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE REMAINING AFTER THE MARCH 9TH, UH, WORK SESSION, ONE OF WHICH IS THE APPLICATION OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT TO OUR CURRENT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, THE APPOINTMENT TYPES, UH, FOR THE CITY WHEN APPOINTING PEOPLE TO THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, CREATION AND DIS DISSOLUTION OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION, AND THEN COMPOSITION OF THE MDD BOARD.
I'M GONNA TALK FIRST TO YOU ABOUT THE APPLICATION OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
SO WE KNOW THAT THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT JUST GOVERNS HOW WE, UM, CONDUCT OUR MEETINGS ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS WHERE THESE, UH, THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT IS REQUIRED TO APPLY.
SO WE HAVE THAT STATE LAW, BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE RULES OF PROCEDURE HERE WITH OUR, UH, CITY OF BAYTOWN CITY COUNCIL.
SO IN OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE IN SECTION 4.5, NOTICE OF MEETINGS, IT BASICALLY SAYS THAT THE AGENDA FOR ALL MEETINGS, INCLUDING COUNCIL COMMITTEE OR SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS, SHALL BE POSTED BY THE CITY CLERK ON THE CITY'S OFFICIAL BULLETIN BOARD AND ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
AND NOTICE OF ALL MEETINGS SHALL BE GIVEN BY THE CITY CLERK PURSUANT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
SO YOU HAVE THAT IN YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE.
AND THEN JUST GENERALLY IN OUR ORDINANCES THAT WE'VE ADOPTED WITH REGARD TO THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSION, PRETTY MUCH IN EVERY ONE OF THOSE, IT REQUIRES THAT THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT BE APPLIED TO BOARDS AND COMMISSION.
AND THEN THAT HAS JUST GENERALLY BEEN THE PRACTICE HERE, UH, IN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN.
SO JUST TO TOUCH ON A LITTLE BIT OF OUR CURRENT BOARD CLASSIFICATIONS.
SO WE HAVE OUR STANDARD BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, AND THESE WOULD BE THE ONES THAT WE WOULD DESCRIBE AS A BOARD OF APPOINTEES THAT ARE AUTHORIZED BY ORDINANCE OR STATE LAW TO PERFORM A PARTICULAR FUNCTION FOR A PERIOD OF TIME UNTIL THAT PURPOSE IS SERVED UNDER THAT UMBRELLA, WE WOULD ALSO HAVE OUR DISCRETIONARY BOARDS.
THOSE ARE THE BOARDS THAT HAVE THE, UH, AUTHORITY TO MAKE DECISION MAKING PROCESSES OUTSIDE OF COUNCIL.
SO WE HAVE OUR STATUTORY BOARDS AND WE HAVE OUR, UM, DISCRETIONARY BOARDS.
SO THOSE WOULD MAKE UP WHAT WE CALL OUR STANDARD BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS CATEGORY.
THEN WE HAVE OUR ADVISORY BOARDS.
UH, OUR ADVISORY BOARDS ARE BOARD OF APPOINTEES.
THESE ARE TYPICALLY LONG-TERM BOARDS, LONG-TERM APPOINTMENTS, BUT THEY HAVE NO POWER TO MAKE DECISIONS.
THE ADVISORY ROLE IS GENERALLY APPROACHED BY IDENTIFYING, INVESTIGATING, AND DISCUSSING CERTAIN ISSUES AND THEN PROPOSING, UH, SOLUTIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT AGAIN, THEY HAVE NO DECISION MAKING POWER.
THEN LASTLY, WE HAVE OUR AD HOC BOARDS.
SO OUR AD HOC BOARDS ARE A BOARD THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR STUDYING AND RESEARCHING A SPECIFIC ISSUE, AND THEN THEY WOULD REPORT THEIR FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL.
THESE ARE GENERALLY UNDERSTOOD TO BE TEMPORARY IN NATURE, AND ONCE THEIR TASK IS COMPLETED, THE COMMITTEE WOULD THEN DISBAND.
SO THAT'S THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE CURRENT BOARDS THAT WE HAVE.
SO THIS, UH, CHART HERE IS JUST A CHART THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE ACTIVE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE WITHIN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN.
AND BY ACTIVE, I MEAN THOSE ARE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY MEETING AND ACTIVE.
UH, THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WITHIN THE CITY THAT ARE NOT ACTIVE, AND I BELIEVE THAT, UH, GABRIELA AND ANGIE ARE GONNA TOUCH ON THOSE LATER ON IN THE PRESENTATION.
BUT THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ACTIVE AND, UH, MEETING REGULARLY, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THAT RIGHT HAND COLUMN THAT ALL OF THESE BOARDS ARE SUBJECT TO THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
IN THE FIRST, UH, THIRD OF THE CHART, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THOSE ARE OUR STANDARD BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY AS BEING STATUTORY, ARE ONES THAT HAVE THAT DISCRETIONARY
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AUTHORITY.IN THE SECOND, UH, THIRD THERE YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE ADVISORY BOARDS.
SO THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT YOU KNOW, TRULY ADVISORY IN NATURE.
AND THEN LASTLY, OUR AD HOC BOARDS.
SO, AS YOU ALL KNOW, ALONG WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, THERE COMES HEFTY FINES AND PENALTIES WHEN THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT IS MISAPPLIED.
AND SO WHEN THESE SITUATIONS WHERE WE HAVE OUR BOARDS, TRULY OUR ADVISORY BOARDS, WHERE THOSE ARE MAINLY COMPOSED OF WHAT WE WOULD SAY CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS, THE THOUGHT WOULD BE TO KIND OF EASE THE BURDEN OF ANY SORT OF LIABILITY FOR THOSE, UH, CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS FOR THE MISAPPLICATION OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
AND SO ALONG THAT LINE, WE HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU HERE.
SO OUR STATUTORY BOARDS AND OUR DISCRETIONARY BOARDS WILL CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, UH, STATUTORILY THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO THAT DISCRETIONARY, OBVIOUSLY, IF THEY'RE MAKING DECISIONS, WE WOULD WANT THEM TO FOLLOW THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT WHEN WE MOVE ON TO OUR TRUE ADVISORY BOARDS.
SO THOSE BOARDS, LIKE YOU HAVE ANIMAL CONTROL, ANIMAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, BPAC, THOSE KINDS OF BOARDS THAT ARE TRULY ADVISORY IN NATURE.
AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE HEAVILY, UH, WITH CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS.
THOSE WE WOULD STILL ALLOW FOR TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT AND FOR AN OPEN TYPE MEETING WHERE CITIZENS ARE, IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
THE PUBLIC CAN COMMENT AND ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS.
BUT WE WOULD VEER AWAY FROM THAT OPEN MEETINGS AS STRICT APPLICATION BEING APPLIED, UH, AT THOSE MEETINGS.
UM, CITIZENS WOULD STILL, LIKE I SAID, BE ABLE TO PUBLICLY ATTEND.
THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PUBLICLY COMMENT.
WE WOULD LIST THE MEETINGS, UM, ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE SO THAT THE CITIZENS WOULD BE NOTIFIED, BUT WE WON'T HAVE THAT STRICT APPLICATION OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
UH, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT, UM, THE STATUTORY BOARDS AND DISCRETIONARY BOARDS, THOSE WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WILL BE THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE, UH, OPEN MEETING ACT IS BEING FOLLOWED PROPERLY AT THOSE MEETINGS.
AT THIS POINT, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, IT JUST DOES NOT HAVE THE MANPOWER TO ATTEND EVERY SINGLE MEETING THAT IS HELD WITHIN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN.
AND SO IF WE HAVE THESE ADVISORY BOARDS WHERE THEY'RE NOT TRULY MAKING ANY DECISIONS, BUT JUST ADVISING AND THAT SITUATION, MAYBE RECOMMEND THAT WE MOVE AWAY FROM THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT FOR THOSE MEETINGS.
AND THEN LASTLY, WE HAVE FLOATING OUT HERE IS OUR AD HOC COMMITTEES.
AND SO WE KNOW THAT, UM, THE QUESTION HAD COME UP PREVIOUSLY AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE AD HOC COMMITTEE SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT BE FOLLOWING THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
SO STATUTORILY AS IT STANDS NOW, THERE'S NOTHING IN STATE LAW THAT SAYS THAT IT IS ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED THAT AD HOC COMMUNITIES FOLLOW THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT AS IT AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS WITHIN OUR CITY.
THE RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT YOU ALL HAVE, UH, ON THE BOOKS, IT DOES REQUIRE THAT ANY SORT OF COMMITTEES, AS YOU SAW IN THE FIRST SLIDE, SUBCOMMITTEES ALL OF THOSE, UH, THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT WOULD APPLY.
SO IF THE DECISION WOULD JUST KIND OF BE LEFT OPEN TO YOU COUNSEL AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO CONTINUE WITH APPLYING THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT TO THE AD HOC, UH, COMMITTEE MEETINGS OR IF WE WANTED TO MOVE INTO ANOTHER DIRECTION.
BUT AGAIN, ALONG THE LINES IS, AS I DISCUSSED WITH THE ADVISORY BOARDS, AD HOC COMMITTEE MEETINGS, WE COULD STILL MAKE THOSE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
STILL VERY TRANSPARENT, UH, STILL OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT JUST NOT WITH THE, UH, PARAMETERS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
ANYBODY QUESTIONS? I, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE AD HOC.
SO MAJORITY OF THE TIME, AD HOC IS USUALLY WHEN COUNSEL IS WITH A SPECIFIC TASK, AND IT'S USUALLY RIGHT, TEMPORARY IN NATURE MM-HMM
AND SO, UM, I WOULD FIND IT HARD TO GO AND A LOT OF TIMES IT'S SENSITIVE.
IT MAY BE A SENSITIVE TOPIC, AND THAT'S WHY WE KEEP IT OBVIOUSLY UNDER A QUORUM FOR THE MOST PART MM-HMM
AND SO WITH THAT, I WOULD PROBABLY SUGGEST THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE SUBJECT TO OPEN MEETINGS AT.
MY, AND THAT WOULD BE Y'ALL'S DECISION, UH, TO KIND OF MAKE AND DECIDE YES MA'AM.
YOU DEFINED AD HOC COMMITTEES AS ONES THAT HAVE A, A, A TEMPORARY PURPOSE, AND THEN ONCE THEY FULFILL THAT PURPOSE, THEY'RE THEN DISBANDED OR THEY NO, THEY'RE NO LONGER NEEDED.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHY WE'RE PUTTING FINANCE AND CIP UNDER THAT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THEIR PURPOSE IS NEVER ENDS.
SO HOW ARE THEY AN AD HOC COMMITTEE? AND I WILL LET ANGIE, UH, MORE, UH, ADDRESS THAT WHEN SHE GETS UP WITH REGARD TO HOW THAT FITS INTO, UM, THE DEFINITION.
BUT, UM, I MEAN IF THEIR TASK IS ONGOING, THEN THEIR TASK IS ONGOING.
I THINK BY AD HOC WE'RE JUST, UH, TALKING ABOUT KIND OF LIKE AN OFFSET OF COUNSEL.
THAT'S THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT, YES.
I WOULD CONSIDER IT REALLY PRETTY MUCH, I THINK WHAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER IS SAYING THAT IT'S REALLY MORE OF A STANDING COMMITTEE THAN AN AD HOC MM-HMM
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I WOULD GUESS IN MY BEST JUDGMENT THAT IT, IT MAY HAVE NEVER BEEN FORMALIZED, IT'S JUST ALWAYS EXISTED AS IS.I MAY BE WRONG, BUT JUST AS FAR AS IN, IN MY, MY KNOWLEDGE, UM, SINCE 2005, I DON'T THINK THERE'S EVER ANY COUNSEL ACTION THAT CREATED, IT EXISTED BEFORE MY TIME IN MAY OF 20, UH, MAY OF 2005.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GABRIELA WILL, OH, I'M SORRY.
A QUESTION MARY, UH, OR A COMMENT AS WELL.
BUT, UM, LOOKING AT THESE AND WITH THE AD HOCS FOR THE FINANCE AND THE CIP COMMITTEE, UH, CIP COMMITTEES OR AD HOC COMMITTEES, HOWEVER WE WANNA LABEL THEM TECHNICALLY, UM, TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR ON FORMALIZE 'EM, WHEN THE COUNCIL WOULD FORMALIZE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE, UH, SPECIFICALLY CIP AND FINANCE, YOU WOULD SAY Y'ALL ARE RUNNING FROM, YOU KNOW, OR OCTOBER 1ST TO SEPTEMBER 30TH, AND AT SEPTEMBER 30TH YOU DISBAND.
AND OR ONCE YOU MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL, UH, FOR THE BUDGET PIECE, THEY DISBAND AND THEN THEY START AGAIN.
YES, IT'S AN ONGOING IN PERPETUITY, BUT THEY HAVE A LIMITED SCOPE AND THEY'RE ONLY FOCUSING ON THAT FOR THAT SPECIFIC TIME.
NOW, IF IT'S A STANDING COMMITTEE WHERE THE CFP COMMITTEE'S LOOKING AT STUFF, UH, FOR, UH, IT JUST ONGOING IN NATURE, THEN, THEN THAT'S DIFFERENT.
BUT TECHNICALLY THE AD HOC COMMITTEE WOULD BE LIMITED PER EACH YEAR.
AND THE, AND THE WAY YOU DESCRIBE IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME FOR AD HOC YES MA'AM, MA'AM.
BUT TRADITIONALLY THE FINANCE COMMITTEE HAS MET YEAR ROUND.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THAT, THEN THAT MAKES SENSE.
IF IT'S GONNA BE A LIMITED TIME FOR BUDGETARY PURPOSES, THEN THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.
BUT TRADITIONALLY FINANCE COMMITTEE HAS MET ALL YEAR.
SO, AND I THINK THEY USUALLY HAVE MET QUARTERLY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS SOME TYPE OF REQUIREMENT OR JUST SOMETHING THAT WE JUST MADE UP, BUT I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT'S LISTED AS IS.
AND WE'RE HOPING TO BRING ALL THIS BACK SO THAT COUNCIL CAN BETTER DEFINE WHAT WE, HOW WE WANNA LABEL EACH ONE OF THESE THINGS.
'CAUSE EACH ONE, IF Y'ALL WANNA MAKE 'EM INTO AN ADVISORY BOARD AN ON A STANDING ADVISORY BOARD, THEN I THINK WE CAN, YEAH, I MEAN I, I WOULD THINK THAT, UM, THAT LIKE FINANCE HISTORICALLY AT LEAST, AND, AND THIS IS OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME THAT THEY KIND OF MET QUARTERLY BECAUSE THERE WAS ALWAYS A QUARTERLY FINANCIAL REPORT THAT WAS GIVEN FROM, FROM FINANCE ITSELF.
AND IN SOME CASES THAT WAS THE ONLY AGENDA ITEM, WHICH I WOULD THINK THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE BEST USE OF STAFF TIME OR COUNCIL TIME.
SO THAT COULD BE THAT IN A SENSE THAT COULD BE JUST DISTRIBUTED THROUGH INFORMATION, BUT THERE'S PROBABLY OTHER WAYS WE CAN DO THAT.
BUT THAT WOULD BE MY TAKE ON IT.
UM, AND, AND I THINK EVEN WITH LIKE US AS CIP, WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY DECISIONS.
UM, SO I FEEL THAT IT'S MORE OF JUST AN, UH, ADVISORY BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE JUST ADVISING WHAT WE WOULD WANNA SEE ON THE CIP AND IT STILL HAS TO COME BACK TO FULL COUNSEL, UM, TO DISCUSS AND AFFIRM OR SAY NO.
LET'S GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOOKS.
AND THE CIP IS ACTUALLY COMMITTEE IS A NEW CREATION.
IT USED TO BE THE ENGINEERING ARCHITECTURAL COMMITTEE.
SO I CAN SEE WHERE IT'S KIND OF A, ON A YEARLY BASIS, IT MAY BE WE DO IT EVERY YEAR AND WE MEET THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, BUT IT'S BUDGET ORIENTED.
AND IT'S REALLY A WORKSHOP OR WORK SESSION FOR THE THREE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO STAFF FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF COUNSEL.
BUT NO DECISIONS ARE MADE IN THAT WE HAVE TO, WHATEVER LIEN OR INFORMATION WE GIVE THEN COMES BACK TO THE FULL COUNSEL FOR FULL DISCUSSION.
IT'S JUST WE, WE GET SOME OF THE, THE GRAY AREA CHAFF OUT OF THE WAY IF YOU, IF YOU WILL.
SO COUNSEL CAN GET, GET INTO IT.
UM, WE JUST HAD A PRETTY GOOD DISCUSSION TODAY.
UM, SO I AGREE WITH POSTING THE MEETING OR, OR LISTING THE MEETING, BUT TO HAVE THE FORMER RULES OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT APPLY TO AN AD HOC OR A WORK SESSION WORKSHOP COMMITTEE IS TOUGH.
I ALSO AGREE WITH THE CONCEPT OF RELIEVING THE TRUE ADVISORY BOARDS OF THAT REQUIREMENT.
'CAUSE THOSE ARE VOLUNTEERS, THOSE ARE CITIZENS.
AND IF, IF WE HOLD THEM TO THAT STANDARD AND THEY MAKE A MISTAKE, THERE ARE PENALTIES THAT COULD BE APPLIED TO THOSE CIVILIAN INDIVIDUALS THAT REALLY DON'T HAVE THE TRAINING STAFF IS NOT ALWAYS GONNA BE AVAILABLE TO KEEP 'EM ON TRACK, UM, SO FORTH THAT I ALSO FULLY AGREE THAT ANY OF THE STATUTORY REQUIRED OR THE, THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY MAKE DECISIONS IS THIS DECISION MAKING COMMITTEES THAT THEY NEED TO FOLLOW IT, YOU KNOW, ADHERE TO THAT IT STRICTLY BECAUSE THEY ARE MAKING DECISIONS JUST AS WE DO.
SO THAT'S KIND OF MY INPUT ON THAT.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COUNCILMAN.
AND JUST WITH THE ACTION IN THE NEXT STEPS, WE RECOMMEND AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO JUST KIND OF REVIEW, UH, THE BOARD CLASSIFICATIONS AND THEN MAYBE, RIGHT.
SPEAKING OF COMMITTEES, WE WANT AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO KIND OF REVIEW THE PROCESS AND THE BOARD CLASSIFICATIONS AND THEN TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO
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YOU AND THEN POSSIBLY TO CONSIDER A RESOL RESOLUTION FOR THE RECLASSIFICATION AND HOW THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED WITH REGARD TO THE RECLASSIFICATION OF THE BOARDS.LET ME ASK, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT HAS ALL THE LIST OF THE ENTIRE YES.
I THINK I'M LOOKING, IS THERE ANYTHING HERE THAT, THAT IS MISSING? MISSING IN WHAT REGARD? I'M JUST, I'M JUST LOOKING.
SO THESE ARE OUR ACTIVE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
SO THAT'S, IS THERE ANY THAT JUST, THEY MAY EXIST AND THEY JUST HAVEN'T BEEN GABBY'S ACTIVE? TALK ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT.
AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO GABBY AT THIS TIME.
SO ON THIS PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION, UM, ON THE MARCH 9TH MEETING, WE ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION ON THE APPOINTMENT TYPES.
PREVIOUSLY IT WAS KNOWN THAT THEY WERE DISTRICT SPECIFIC DISTRICT AT LARGE AND THEN JUST REGULAR AT LARGE APPOINTMENTS.
WE'VE MOVED FORWARD WITH THE DISTRICT RESIDENT.
THIS IS, UM, WHERE IT USED TO BE A DISTRICT SPECIFIC APPOINTMENT.
THE COUNCIL MEMBER WILL ONLY CHOOSE A QUALIFYING APPLICANT FROM THEIR RE, UH, DISTRICT ITSELF.
WE ALSO RENAMED DISTRICT AT LARGE TO DISTRICT CITYWIDE.
SO THIS IS WHERE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SELECT ANY QUALIFYING CITIZEN FROM THE CITY LIMITS OF BAYTOWN.
AND THEN AT LARGE WILL REMAIN THE SAME INCLUDING, UM, ANY BOARD THAT SPECIFIES A RESIDENT IN THE ETJ.
SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION ON THOSE NAMES.
YOU'LL ALSO SEE THAT IN THE EMAIL ONCE WE START SENDING NEW APPOINTMENTS OUT AND IT'LL BE REFERRED TO THIS AS WELL.
SO ON THIS PORTION I DID WANNA MENTION, UM, WITH THE CLARIFICATION, 8.3 B DOES TALK ABOUT JUST OVERALL, UH, INCLUSIVE SEGMENTS OF THE COMMUNITY.
I KNOW COUNCIL, COUNCIL MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING THAT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN INTENDED FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO CHOOSE, UM, APPOINTMENTS DIRECTLY IN THEIR DISTRICT.
THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY THE CASE THAT I WILL SHOW IN THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, IT DOES STATE THAT TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF DIVERSE REPRESENTATION ACROSS SECTION OF BAYTOWN AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE IS ALWAYS PUSHED, WELL INTENDED FOR THE, UM, APPOINTMENTS TO GO.
BUT ON THIS E ON THIS SHEET HERE, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE TO EMAIL YOU THIS, IT'S BROKEN DOWN WHERE YOU HAVE ACTUAL FOUR DISTRICT CITYWIDE APPOINTMENTS.
UM, YOU TRULY HAVE ONE DISTRICT RESIDENT APPOINTMENT BEING CDAC AND THEN THE REST ARE AT LARGE NOMINATIONS AND THAT ALSO INCLUDES CITY MANAGER AND MAYOR APPOINTMENTS.
SO WE'LL MAKE SURE TO SEND THIS OUT TO YOU SO YOU HAVE A REFERENCE GUIDE TO LOOK BACK ON WITH THAT SECTION.
WAS THERE ANY CLARIFICATION NEEDING ON THE NEW NAMES OR THE GO BACK ON, SORRY.
I, I THINK I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.
THE NEXT ONE THOUGH, WAS THERE MORE? I, I DON'T KNOW.
NO, THIS WAS THE ONLY REAL CHANGE UNDER THE APPOINTMENT TYPES IS, BUT THERE'S STILL MORE TO YOUR PRESENTATION? OH, YES SIR.
AND YES, HONOR, I HAD A, I HAD A QUESTION.
GO BACK ONE SLIDE GABBY, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
IS THAT A STATUTORILY REQUIRED THAT IT BE A RESIDENT OF THE DISTRICT OR IS THAT A COUNCIL REQUIREMENT? THAT IT'D BE A RESIDENT OF THE DISTRICT.
SO THAT ONE IS STATUTORY? YES SIR.
THAT ONE IS STATUTORY? YES, SIR.
AND THAT'S THE TRUE, UM, DISTRICT RESIDENT.
BUT FOR THE REST WE'LL INCLUDE IN THE EMAILS FOR CITYWIDE APPOINTMENTS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, LAY UP.
SO ABOUT THE OPEN BOARDS CURRENTLY THERE ARE ABOUT 39 BOARDS, 52% ARE ACTUALLY ACTIVE, MEANING THEY MEET ON A REGULAR BASIS.
THE OTHER PORTION ARE INACTIVE.
UM, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU, YOU KNEW A PERCENTAGE THERE BECAUSE I KNOW SAYING WE HAVE A FEW INACTIVE BOARDS DOESN'T SOUND LIKE MUCH, BUT TRULY THERE ARE NEARLY 50% OF OUR BOARDS THAT ARE STILL, UM, INACTIVE AND NOT MEETING ON A REGULAR BASIS WITH THAT.
UNDER YOUR RULES OR PROCEDURES, THERE IS A PORTION THAT STATES YOU, UM, CAN AUTHORIZE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE AS WELL AS ANY OTHER BOARD OR COMMITTEE, BUT THERE'S NO TRUE, UM,
SO WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IS FOR THERE TO BE DEFINED REQUIREMENTS WHEN CREATING A NEW BOARD THAT IT BE DONE IN AN OPEN SESSION TO HAVE RECORD AND HISTORY OF IT.
UM, ALSO TO DEFINE THE MISSION AND THE PURPOSE OF WHAT THAT BOARD MAY BE AND AS WELL TO HAVE IT CREATED BY ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION.
AND THAT WAY WHEN IT COMES TIME TO DISSOLVE THESE BOARDS OR THEY'VE MET THEIR PURPOSE, WE TRULY KNOW HOW THOSE WERE EVEN INTENDED.
AND IF THEY HAVE REALLY MET A PURPOSE.
UM, I WANTED TO MENTION THERE ARE SOME BOARDS, THE GOLF AD HOC, LIKE DIFFERENT BOARDS BACK TO THE 1950S THAT
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HAVE NOT BEEN DISSOLVED YET.UM, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE MOVING FORWARD WE ALWAYS HAVE A CLEAR DEFINITION AND ADMISSION IS MET BEFORE WE DISSOLVE THOSE.
DO, I'M SORRY, DO WE HAVE A LIST? YES SIR.
AND UM, SO WE HAVE A LIST TO SEND, BUT THERE, FROM WHAT WE'VE FOUND SO FAR, THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT 20 BOARDS THAT ARE STILL INACTIVE, UM, WITH NO RESOLUTIONS THAT WE FOUND NO REAL REFERENCE, UM, TO THE PO POINT OF THE MISSION BEING MET.
SO WHAT ASKING FOR IS TO CONSIDER CREATING AN AD HOC COMMITTEE WITH THE SOLE PURPOSE OF MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE DISSOLUTION OF THE INACTIVE BOARDS.
AND THAT COULD WORK AS WELL IF IT'S THE SAME COMMITTEE WITH KRISTEN'S COMMITTEE.
UM, JUST ONE LARGE COMMITTEE TO KIND OF LOOK AT ALL OF THIS TOGETHER AND THEN BRING IT BACK BEFORE COUNCIL.
YOU MENTIONED ANOTHER COMMITTEE, WHICH ONE I DIDN'T CATCH YOU? UM, IT'LL BE THE, THE COMMITTEE FOR, UM, BOARD RECLASSIFICATION WITH THE OPENS MEETING ACT AS WELL AS INACTIVE BOARDS AND THE DISSOLUTION FOR THOSE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY CLARIFICATION ON THOSE? NOT YET.
WELL, THAT'S MY PORTION ON THE, ON THE OPEN BOARD.
YOU DO HAVE A LIST YOU'RE GONNA SEND US? YES SIR.
I THINK WE'RE HOPING TO LOOK AT IT RIGHT NOW.
IT'S FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THE, WHEN I SEE S FIVE THAT SAYS ACTION, THE NEXT STEPS, I'M, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S THE END.
AND IT'S LIKE THE, THE BAYTOWN BRING THE, UM, BATTLESHIP BACK TO BAYTOWN THE GULF.
UH, SAN JACINTO HOSPITAL ADVISORY, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, THEY'RE JUST PROBABLY HAVE MET A MISSION, BUT THERE'S THERE'S NO ACTUAL TERM ENDING ON THAT.
SO WOULD THIS AD HOC COMMITTEE BE PUBLIC OR WOULD IT BE COUNCIL MEMBERS? IS THAT UP TO US TO DECIDE? THAT WOULD BE UP TO YOU.
I THINK THE BE THERE ARE COMMITTEES.
I WOULD, MY ARE YOU LOOKING FOR INPUT NOW? UM, IF YOU WANNA HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT, I'M JUST ASKING, IS THAT THE END OF YOUR PRESENTATION? YES, SIR.
SO, SO WITH THAT, MY INPUT WOULD BE THAT, THAT WE CREATE A, A THREE COUNCIL MEMBER AD HOC COMMITTEE TO REVIEW ONE, THE ACTIVE AND INACTIVE, UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME THAT MAY EXISTED LONG TIME AGO, EITHER BY RESOLUTION OR NOT.
SO THAT WE CAN OFFICIALLY THROUGH COUNCIL ACTION ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION DEFINE WHAT THOSE MISSIONS ARE OF THE ONES THAT WE WANT TO KEEP ACTIVE.
AND IF THEIR MISSION IS CHANGED, WHICH WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN THE CASE, UH, LIKE, UH, A E TO CIP.
UM, AND THEN, AND THEN BASICALLY PRESENT THAT BACK TO COUNSEL.
I'M NOT SURE YOU WANT TO DO IT ALL IN ONE TIME OR MAYBE YOU WANT TO DO IT IN CHUNKS, BUT THAT'D BE UP TO THE AD HOC.
UM, SO I'D ASK COUNSEL TO CONSIDER THE CREATION OF THIS AD HOC.
I WILL REACH OUT AND TRY TO APPOINT THREE.
THAT'LL BE, I GUESS, WILLING AND ABLE.
UM, I MAY, MAY BE THE BEST FIT FOR THIS TYPE OF TASK.
THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
WE STILL HAVE ONE OTHER PIECE OF THE PRESENTATION AS WELL.
I KNOW, THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST CLARIFYING.
MY MS. GABBY IS FINISHED WITH HER PART.
HI MAYOR AND COUNSEL, UM, I'M COMING TO YOU TONIGHT BECAUSE, UM, AT THE APRIL MEETING, A TOPIC WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT, UM, REVISITING THE COMPOSITION OF THE MDD BOARD.
AND I WANNA GIVE YOU A FEW POINTERS TO CONSIDER, UM, BEFORE YOU MAKE A DECISION ON HOW DO YOU WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
ONE IS THE PURPOSE, WHICH IS GENERATING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE DISTRICT BY USING TAX DOLLARS.
UM, THE NEXT THING YOU NEED TO CONSIDER IS ACCORDING TO THE, UM, TEXAS, UM, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, IT SAYS WITH THE COMPOSITION, YOU REALLY ONLY NEED FOUR BOARD MEMBERS.
RIGHT? AND OUR ORDINANCE ALSO ADOPTED THAT SAME RULE.
UM, AND LASTLY, IT STATES THAT, UM, A COUNCIL MEMBER DOES NOT OR IS NOT REQUIRED TO SERVE ON THAT BOARD.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER.
IT ACTUALLY STATES THAT YOU MAY SERVE.
SO I JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER.
WHEN THIS BOARD WAS CREATED IN, UM, 2001, IT STARTED WITH 11 MEMBERS.
IT STARTED WITH THE SEVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THEN FOR, UM, CITIZENS.
AND THEN IT DID CHANGE WHEN YOU ALL MADE THAT DECISION ON THE DS, UM, LAST YEAR IN JUNE TO 13.
SO NOW WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE FOR YOU GUYS, UM, TO CONSIDER FOR THE FUTURE OF MDD COUNCIL? DO YOU WANT TO HAVE NO COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THERE? DO YOU WANNA HAVE SEVEN COUNCILS? THREE, THAT'S A DECISION THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE.
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DO YOU WANT ANY PARTICIPATION FROM THE CITIZENS? WOULD THAT BE 0 5 10 A DECISION YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE AS WELL? ALSO, WHEN CONSIDERING THAT IS MAKING SURE THAT YOU HAVE CITIZENS OR PEOPLE THAT'S GONNA REPRESENT THE MDD BOARD THAT THEY DO, MEANING MEANINGFUL PARTICIPATION, RIGHT? UM, ALSO MAKING SURE THAT YOU COME UP WITH A NUMBER.UM, SO IT'LL BE EASY TO GET A QUORUM BECAUSE THAT CAN AFFECT IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A MEETING OR NOT.
UM, AND THE OTHER POINT TO CONSIDER IS, UM, THE APPOINTMENTS.
SO AS OF MAY 31ST, YOU WILL HAVE MR. DAVID GERALDS, MR. GARY ENGLER, COUNCIL MEMBER ALVARADO, COUNCIL MEMBER GRAHAM, COUNCIL MEMBER GRIFF, AND, UM, YOU MAYOR.
UM, THAT'S UP FOR REAPPOINTMENT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU NEED TO CONSIDER.
UM, AND THEN THERE IS ALSO ONE VACANCY THAT'S, UM, OUT THERE.
SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? MOVING FORWARD, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO IS, UM, IN A NUTSHELL THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PRESENTATION IS JUST CONSIDER AN AD HOC, WHICH I THINK YOU GUYS ARE ON BOARD FOR THAT
UM, AND THEN COME UP WITH A CONSENSUS ON WHAT DO YOU WANT MDD TO LOOK LIKE, WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, AND UM, GO AHEAD AND, UM, WE WOULD BRING IT BACK, UM, AT A LATER DATE, I GUESS AFTER YOU, UM, DECIDE HOW YOU WANT THAT BOARD TO LOOK LIKE FOR THE APPOINT THE REAPPOINTMENTS AND OR THE VACANCIES.
SO MAYOR, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU SO YOU CAN OPEN UP THAT DISCUSSION ON HOW YOU WANT THIS BOARD TO LOOK LIKE MOVING FORWARD.
WELL, MY OPINION HASN'T CHANGED.
I WOULD STILL SUGGEST A THREE MEMBER, THREE COUNCIL MEMBER AD HOC COMMITTEE TO REVIEW, UM, WITH YOURSELF.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S STATUTORILY REQUIRED.
I THINK MBD WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF, OF, ALTHOUGH I, I WOULD SAY FOUR MEMBERS IS, IS WHAT'S IN A SENSE REQUIRED MM-HMM
I THINK CERTAINLY THAT'S GONNA BE ONE, UM, IMPORTANT ONE FOR, FOR, FOR THE AD HOC COMMITTEE TO BE TASKED WITH, UM, WHAT IS THE RIGHT SIZE FOR THAT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, UM, I THINK IN ADDITION TO THAT, I'D LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE WHAT BOARDS, SOME, SOME OBVIOUSLY WILL THAT ARE INACTIVE, SHOULD PROBABLY STAY INACTIVE.
AND MY COUNCIL ACTION WILL, I GUESS BASICALLY SUNSET ALL OF THEM.
THE ONES THAT HAVE FALLEN IN THAT CLASSIFICATION, IF THERE'S ANY THAT HAVE BEEN INACTIVE THAT NEEDS TO BE RE RECONSTITUTED, THEN THEY WOULD MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TOO WITH A CLEAR MISSION.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ASK OF COUNCIL TO, TO GO AND, AND ALLOW ME TO WORK WITH.
OBVIOUSLY, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY STAFF AND THEN Y'ALL SCHEDULE WHO, WHO WOULD BE MOST, UH, THE BEST FIT, I GUESS, AND WILLING AND ABLE TO SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT I MAY BE MISSING? IS THAT, THAT YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE NEEDED IN THIS TYPE OF AD HOC, SIR? THAT'S IT.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA DISAGREE WITH THE MAYOR THAT WE NEED AN AD HOC COMMITTEE FOR SOME OF THESE DECISIONS.
I MEAN, THIS IS A WORK SESSION, SO I WAS REALLY HOPING THE GOAL OF TODAY WAS TO START TALKING OUT SOME OF THESE ISSUES.
AND FOR ALL I KNOW THERE MAY BE A CONSENSUS, UM, I CAN SEE IF THERE'S NOT ONE OR IF WE'RE JUST REALLY OPPOSING ONE ANOTHER, WHY WE WOULD NEED TO TAKE THIS OFFLINE INTO AN AD HOC COMMITTEE.
BUT FOR ALL I KNOW WE COULD WORK THIS OUT IN THE NEXT HOUR.
UM, I HATE TO JUST CONTINUE TO DELAY THE DECISION ON THE MDD ESPECIALLY.
UM, I FEEL LIKE THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR ALMOST A YEAR NOW.
AND SO, UM, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO DISCUSSION AND, UH, NOT DISCUSSION AFTER THREE MEMBERS HAVE ALREADY COME TO A DECISION FOR US.
I WOULD, MY, MY RESPONSE WOULD BE, I MEAN, THAT'S FINE.
AND I DON'T MIND GOING THROUGH THAT ONE.
I MEANT MY COMMENTS WAS THE ENTIRETY OF ALL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
SO IF WE WANNA CONSIDER MDD AT THIS POINT YES, YES, THAT, THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
I THINK THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS HERE.
YEAH, I, I WOULD, UH, ECHO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT HEATHER SAID, AND ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, MAYBE A STANDARD OF, UM, HOW WE EXPAND AND UM, RETRACT COM UH, COMMITTEES TO WHERE IF YOU EXPAND IT, IT STAYS THAT WAY FOR X AMOUNT OF TIME.
UM, OR IF YOU RETRACT OR WHATEVER YOU DO TO TAKE SOMEBODY OFF OR P**S SOMEBODY OFF YOU, IT STAYS THAT WAY FOR AN X AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING I LIKE TO SEE DISCUSSED, UM, UH, IN EITHER
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SETTING.I, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT IF WE, IF WE AT ANY COMMITTEE, IF WE EITHER EX I GUESS EXPAND IT OR CONTRACT IT, THAT, THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS THERE'S A TIMEFRAME ASSOCIATED WITH IT, THE NEXT TIME WE CAN REVISIT AN EXPANSION OR CONTRACTION.
YEAH, I MEAN I, WE CAN INCLUDE THAT IN THE DISCUSSION FOR MDD, BUT I THINK HOLISTICALLY IN, IN THE AD HOC, THEY COULD CONSIDER THAT TOO.
YOU GUYS, ANY ANYBODY ELSE? I GOT SOMETHING THERE ON, ON THE MDD, YOU KNOW, WE EXPANDED IT WITH FOUR, BUT YOU LOOK AT, AT THE MISSION FROM THE MDD AND, AND I'M SURE WE CAN REQUIRE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THE FINANCIAL EXPENDITURES OF THAT, IT'D BE NICE TO KIND OF HAVE SOME BOUNDARIES IN THERE THAT, AS FAR AS THE NUMBER, WE CAN DISCUSS THE NUMBER.
BUT IF WE'RE GONNA APPOINT OTHERS OTHER THAN COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'D LIKE TO SEE A REQUIREMENT THAT, AND THIS IS JUST KINDA OFF THE CUFF AND NEEDS MORE DISCUSSION OBVIOUSLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, LET'S HAVE A POSITION FOR A BANKER.
LET'S HAVE A POSITION FOR A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE PERSON.
LET'S HAVE A POSITION FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S A BUSINESS OWNER SO THAT, THAT WE, AND THEN YOU MAYBE ANOTHER POSITION OR TWO FOR JUST THE AVERAGE CITIZEN.
BUT WE GET SOME QUALIFIED EXPERTISE ON THAT BOARD TO HAVE SOME, SOME INPUT.
CURRENTLY I THINK WE DO HAVE THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST HAPPENED BY HAPPENSTANCE.
BUT IT'D BE NICE THAT AS WE GO FORWARD IN THE FUTURE, THAT OKAY, THE, THE, THE PERSON THAT'S ACTING AS, AS A BANKING INDIVIDUAL ROLLS OFF, THEN IT'S AN AT LARGE APPOINTMENT THAT WE WOULD APPOINT ANOTHER BANKER TO GET THAT PERSPECTIVE ON THAT BOARD, UH, TO BUILD IN SOME, SOME EXPERTISE TO THAT BOARD AND NOT JUST POTENTIALLY, EVENTUALLY HAVE, NOT THAT I, AMONG JUST AVERAGE CITIZENS, BUT THIS IS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND FINANCIAL EXPENDITURES.
SO IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, A LITTLE BIT OF EXPERIENCE IN THAT, THAT THEY COULD PROVIDE INPUT TO US THAT, WELL THE, THE REALTY MARKETING KNOW, SUPPORT THOSE TYPE ACTIVITIES OR THE BANKING, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT TYPE OF ACTIVITY.
JUST, JUST SOME REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE POSITIONS, HOW MANY OF THEM WE HAVE.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED.
A 13 MEMBER BOARD IS STARTING TO GET LARGE AND UNMANAGEABLE, UM, AND OUR STAFF DOES A GREAT JOB.
BUT YOU, YOU, YOU START TO GET THAT LARGE, IT'S HARD TO GET ALL OF US UP HERE ON A REGULAR BASIS AND 13 PEOPLE MAKES IT EVEN MORE DIFFICULT.
BUT TO HAVE SOME STANDARDS FOR THE, THE CITIZENS THAT WE PLACE ON THOSE BOARDS, 'CAUSE OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE THERE, ARE GONNA BRING SOME EXPERIENCE AND SOME COMMENTS TO US.
SO LET'S, LET'S HELP 'EM OUT AND, AND LOOK FOR SOME EXPERTISE.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION.
UM, I'M JUST LOOKING AT, AT THE, THE, THE ARRAY OF COUNCIL, UH, EXCUSE ME, MBD BOARD MEMBERS THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.
I MEAN, REGGIE BREWER AT THE TIME WORKING WAS A REALLY GOOD, UM, I GUESS YOU'D SAY MEANINGFUL PARTICIPANT BECAUSE HE BROUGHT IN AREA OF EXPERTISE THAT NOT THE AVERAGE COUNCIL MEMBER MAY, MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE.
SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I MEAN WE, WE CAN DISCUSS ALL THIS.
I'M NOT SURE WE'RE GONNA GET IT DONE IN AN HOUR.
I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT GOT US, YOU KNOW, RUSHING DECISIONS GOT US INTO THE 13 MEMBER MDD.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD SAY I PROBABLY, I I WANT TO BE TO DO IT.
'CAUSE USUALLY WHEN THAT TAKES PLACE, UM, WE HAVE BAD OUTCOMES, SO I'LL BE WILLING TO TRY TO DISCUSS IT AND WE CAN GET IT DONE.
BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT HAVING AN ARRAY OF BUSINESS BACKGROUNDS THAT COULD BE CULTURAL BACKGROUNDS, THAT COULD BE DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UM, ROLES, UH, MDD, WHATEVER THE SIZE MAY BE.
BUT WE HAVE TO DETERMINE SIZE BEFORE WE DETERMINE, UM, REALLY WHAT THOSE ROLES IN EXTENSION OF IF COUNCIL EVEN SERVES AT ALL SHOULD.
MY, MY QUESTION I THINK FIRST WOULD BE DO WE WANT A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL? LIKE REALLY WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE SIZE.
THE QUESTION IS THIS, DO WE WANT WHERE COUNCIL IS ALWAYS IN THE MAJORITY OR NOT? YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST DECISION IF I HAD TO GO AND KIND OF FILL IN THE BLANK WOULD BE, DO WE WANT THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND FOUR CITIZENS, FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND FIVE, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
SO, AND I, I LIKE THE COMMENTS THAT, THAT MIKE SAID, BUT THEN ON THE FLIP SIDE, UM, ARE WE GONNA PIGEONHOLE OURSELVES? HOW MANY BANKERS DO WE HAVE? HOW MANY REALTORS DO WE HAVE THAT WOULD REALLY SERVE? AND SO, I MEAN, WE HAVE SOME COMMITTEES LIKE, UM, FIGURE OUT WHICH COMMITTEE IT IS.
WE WERE LOOKING FOR AN ARCHITECT.
THAT ONE'S BEEN VACANT FOR A LONG TIME.
AND SO, UM, THAT'S A FLIP SIDE OF, OF TRYING TO DETERMINE, UM, ELIGIBILITY.
UM, I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF, ESPECIALLY FOR THIS ONE BECAUSE IT, IT WOULD FIT THE, THE PURPOSE AND, AND THE MISSION OF THE BOARD.
BUT I STILL WANT US TO, TO KIND OF SEE WHO WOULD BE OUT THERE WHO BESIDES, YOU KNOW, WHO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
UM, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE BUSINESS PARTNERS SERVE ON, ON THE BOARD.
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YEAH.SO, SO MY OPINION IS, UM, THE CURRENT MDD MAKEUP IS TOO LARGE.
UM, I, I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE 13 MEMBERS.
I ALSO DON'T THINK THAT COUNCIL NEEDS TO SERVE ON MDD.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE A COMPLETELY FULL CITIZEN COMMITTEE.
ALL BUDGETARY DECISIONS THAT MDD MAKES GOES TO COUNCIL ANYWAYS.
SO FOR US TO BE ON, IT SEEMS REDUNDANT.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT US TO HAVE MORE CITIZEN INPUT ON MDD.
AND AGAIN, THE DECISIONS MDD MAKES COMES TO US ANYWAYS.
SO I WOULD SUPPORT MAKING M-D-D-A-A FULL CITIZEN COMMITTEE, NOT HAVING COUNCIL MEMBERS ON IT AND REDUCING THE SIZE TO FIVE OR SEVEN.
AND I'M ALSO OPEN TO THERE BEING SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE MEMBERS.
BECAUSE IF YOU GO BACK, ANGIE, AND LOOK AT THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE MDD, WOULD YOU MIND GOING BACK A FEW? AND, AND SO IT'S EXTREMELY SPECIFIC, UM, TOWARDS GENERATING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS A REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
SO I DON'T MIND US HAVING SOME SORT OF, I DON'T KNOW, PROFESSIONAL REQUIREMENT OR EXPERIENCE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THAT IF WE'RE REMOVING THE ELECTED BODY FROM THE MDD.
SO I DO LIKE THAT SUGGESTION, AND I COULD SEE THAT BEING PART OF AN AD HOC DISCUSSION TO FLUSH THAT OUT.
MAYOR, UH, I MEAN, IN GENERAL I AGREE WE, WE NEED MORE, UM, CITIZEN PARTICIPATION.
UM, MY ONLY CONCERN WITH, WITH THE MDD IS THAT I, I DON'T THINK EVERY DECISION COMES BACK TO COUNSEL EVERY DECISION THAT MDD MAKES.
BECAUSE RECENTLY MDD APPROVED THE INCREASE ON THE HOTEL AND THAT DID NOT COME BACK TO COUNSEL.
AND SO, UM, I'M ASKING MYSELF, IS THAT A DECISION OF THAT MAGNITUDE, WHETHER OR NOT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A, A BIG PROJECT LIKE THAT OR NOT, UM, IS THAT SOMETHING WE WANT TO PUT FULLY ON? APPOINTED INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE LIMITED, UM, ACCOUNTABILITY TO CITIZENS? WE'RE ALL ACCOUNTABLE TO THE CITIZENS THAT ELECTED US.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK APPOINTED INDIVIDUALS HAVE THAT SAME LEVEL OF ACCOUNTABILITY.
THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
MAY I ASK THOUGH, COULD THAT BE A POLICY CHANGE TO WHERE THE MDD DECISIONS HAVE TO GO TO COUNSEL AND I WAS, OR THAT I WAS REGULATED? WAS GONNA ASK THAT.
YEAH, I WAS, I WAS GONNA ASK THAT QUESTION.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THEY, WE, THAT'S WHY I STEPPED DOWN.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, AS WE UNDERSTAND IT, UH, I WANNA COME BACK TO YOU, UH, WITH A, WITH A FINAL ANSWER.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE ATTORNEYS ARE LOOKING AT THIS RIGHT NOW, BUT THE MDD IS ITS OWN GOVERNING BODY, RIGHT.
AND BECAUSE THEY'RE THEIR OWN GOVERNING BODY, THEY MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT THEY WANNA MAKE WITH THEIR, UH, WITH THEIR MONEY MM-HMM
AND SO AT THIS POINT, IT, IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL, IT JUST CURRENTLY DOES ON SOME THINGS TO JUST OUT OF THE PROCESS FLOW.
THEY, THEY COME TO, THEY, THEY COME TO US WHEN DOING JOINT PROJECTS AND THAT'S A FUNDING MECHANISM, RIGHT? IF, IF MDD SAYS WE DON'T WANT TO DO THE FUNDING MECHANISM WITH THE CITY, WE WOULD HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL, RIGHT? AND WE HAVE THIS ELSE, I MEAN THE MDD BEING ITS OWN GOVERNING BODY, IT'S THE SAME AS THE CCPD AND UH, THE FIRE CONTROL EMS DISTRICT, RIGHT? I MEAN, BUT WELL 'CAUSE THEY CAN MAKE BUDGET DECISIONS THAT DON'T COME TO US AS WAY.
WE HAVE TO APPROVE THEIR BUDGETS.
YEAH, WE APPROVE THEIR BUDGET, BUT THEY CAN, WE APPROVE THE MDD BUDGET, BUT THEY CAN MAKE AN AMENDMENT WITHOUT IT COMING BACK TO US ALL THREE.
THAT MAY BE TRUE, BUT I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE IF CCPD CAN, I JUST DON'T KNOW.
'CAUSE THAT HASN'T HISTORICALLY HAPPENED, BUT, RIGHT.
WELL, AND, BUT I GUESS MY POINT THERE WAS THAT IF THEY'RE MAKING A CHANGE, MAYBE THEY'RE CHOOSING TO BUY SOME EQUIPMENT AS OPPOSED TO OTHER, AND WE'RE PROBABLY FOR THE MOST PART GONNA BE IN AGREEMENT ON THAT.
BUT IT, BUT THE MDD IS, IT'S DEFINITELY, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S DIFFERENT LEVEL OF, OF, OF PROJECTS AND DECISIONS.
SO, UM, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
THAT WOULD BE MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH GOING FULLY TO CITIZENS IS THAT THERE'S A LIMITED AMOUNT OF ACCOUNTABILITY THERE, UM, FOR SOME PRETTY LARGE PROJECTS.
I MEAN, WHEN WE MADE, WHEN MDD MADE THAT LAST DECISION, WE TABLED SOME OTHER LARGE PROJECTS IN ORDER TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE HOTEL.
AND SO DO WE WANT, UM, ALL APPOINTED INDIVIDUALS MAKING THAT LEVEL OF DECISION? I I, I'M HESITANT TO DO THAT.
I I THINK YOU BROUGHT UP A REALLY GOOD POINT, JUST BASED OFF OF WHAT WE SAW ON MDD LAST TIME.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF MY COLLEAGUES COULD PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY YOU PERSONALLY THINK THAT 13 IS UNMANAGEABLE AND HOW THAT WOULD CAUSE A PROBLEM TO KEEP IT AT THAT NUMBER.
FROM MY SIDE, IT'S, IT IS JUST A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO KEEP INFORMED AND HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS.
UM, IT'S THEIR RESPO, AND I'M JUST, I'M, I'M KIND OF PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE.
IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO SHOW UP.
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AND I, I KNOW THE HISTORY ON WHY THE NUMBER CHANGED FROM 11 TO 13, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M REALLY ON BOARD.I, I'VE BEEN ON EXTREMELY LARGE COMMITTEES AND BOARDS BEFORE.
UH, I'VE BEEN ON ONE THAT WAS 50 THAT WAS UNMANAGEABLE.
AND WE, WE'VE ALREADY STRUGGLED THIS PAST MONTH WITH GETTING ENOUGH PEOPLE HERE AS FAR AS COUNCIL AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE 13 ON MDD RIGHT NOW, I JUST, FOR ME, I WANT SOMEBODY TO GIMME A VERY SPECIFIC REASON, NOT JUST IT'S UNMANAGEABLE.
WHY, WHY IS THAT AN ISSUE TO HAVE THAT MUCH IN, IN, AND THE WAY I'M SEEING IT, THAT THAT'S MORE INPUT, THAT THAT COULD BE BETTER.
WE COULD SEE MORE POINTS OF VIEW.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD EVER WANNA SEE IT GET BIGGER.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT, BUT JUST, UM, SINCE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE NUMBER, I JUST, WHAT WOULD BE, I MEAN, IF, IF A COUPLE PEOPLE DON'T SHOW UP THAT WE'D STILL HAVE 10, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
I JUST, WHY DO WE CONSIDER, I MEAN, I CAN'T, FOR, FOR ME, THE ONLY REASON I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT NUMBER IS BECAUSE I WANTED AN EQUAL NUMBER OF CITIZENS TO ELECTED BODY.
AND SO IF COUNSEL DOES END UP SERVING ON IT, THEN I AM OKAY WITH IT BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE AN EVEN NUMBER OF ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES AND CITIZENS.
BUT IF FOR, IF FOR SOME REASON COUNSEL DOESN'T SERVE ON IT, THE ONLY SPECIFIC REASON I CAN GIVE YOU IS IT'S JUST NOT NECESSARY IN MY OPINION, TO HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE.
I DON'T THINK IT ADDS THE VALUE TO THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS TO HAVE NECESSARILY MORE IT'S QUALITY OVER QUANTITY FOR ME.
UM, SO IF, IF COUNCILMAN POWELL'S POINT ENDS UP BEING, UM, ACCURATE THAT WE CAN'T MAKE A POLICY DECISION TO WHERE ALL MBD DECISIONS GO BEFORE COUNCIL, THEN I WOULD REVERSE MY OPINION IN THAT YES, COUNCIL DOES NEED TO BE A PART OF THAT COMMITTEE.
AND IN THEN IN THAT, THAT WAY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EQUAL CITIZEN REPRESENTATION.
I WOULD, IF I MAY, I WOULD ADD TO THAT, EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID I, I WOULD CONCUR ON OTHER THAN, UM, ON SIZE, I WOULD, WHAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH, I MEAN, LET'S, LET'S GET SOMEWHERE IS LET'S GET FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, NOT SEVEN.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT IT'S USUALLY GONNA BE THE MAYOR AND THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND THAT MAY ROTATE EVERY TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT AND THEN HAVE FIVE CITIZENS TO SERVE IN A CITIZEN CAPACITY.
SO COUNCIL WILL BE AWARE, BUT IN A SENSE, I THINK WE DID IT WITH, UH, KIND OF THE MENTALITY.
THE PHILOSOPHY WAS THAT, THAT BASICALLY CITIZENS WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE A MAJORITY.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE CASE.
SO IT WOULD BE UP TO COUNCIL IF THERE WAS A DISPARITY BETWEEN I'M NOT WITH THAT.
AND I, I, AND THAT ONLY BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I CAN SEE NOW WHY HISTORICALLY THEY PROBABLY HAD ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR INVITED TO BE ON IT, BECAUSE I, I CAN SEE WHERE THAT, BECAUSE MDD IS GIVEN SO MUCH CONTROL OVER A CERTAIN BUDGETARY THING, I WOULD'VE IF ONLY THREE OR FOUR ROTATE, AND THEN THE MAYOR'S POSITION IS ALWAYS THERE.
TO ME, THAT GIVES TOO MUCH POWER TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ELECTED OFFICIALS UNLESS THE POLICY CHANGES.
SO WHERE I STAND ON THIS IS IT'S EITHER GONNA BE ALL OF US PLUS SOME CITIZENS.
I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT EQUAL THEN WE CAN GO TO 14.
BUT I UNDERSTAND Y'ALL THINK THAT'S TOO MANY PEOPLE, SO, WELL, WE CAN'T, YEAH, I, I KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S A REASON WHY THERE'S, THERE'S MANY CHAIRS UP HERE JUST SO WE CAN'T HAVE 14 THOUGH, BECAUSE IT'S, I KNOW, I WAS ONLY SAYING BECAUSE THE, MAYBE I SHOULDN'T HAVE THROWN IN THAT COMMENT, BUT I, I MEAN IT COULD WHEREVER THE MAYOR'S ALWAYS COVERED.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE KIND OF LIKE WHAT HAPPENS IN, IN HIGHER GOVERNMENT THAT THE VICE PRESIDENT IS OVER SUTTON COMMITTEE.
SO IT COULD BE THE MAYOR PRO TEM LEADS, UM, THE MDD, UM, IF WE ARE GOING TO CUT BACK ON THE NUMBER OF ELECTED OFFICIALS AND HAVE THE, UM, WELL PRO TEM BE THE ONE LEADING IT.
SO I STILL THINK THAT'S OUR STARTING POINT, IS WE, WE HAVE TO GET PAST HOW MANY COUNCIL MEMBERS, ALL FOUR, THREE OR ZERO.
HEATHER, WHAT WAS, UM, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT YOUR RESERVATIONS ARE? I KNOW INITIALLY WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT HAVING ALL OF US OR REMOVING ALL OF US FROM IT, BUT WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON ALL VERSUS JUST FOUR? IF JACOB'S POINT IS CORRECT, WE DO NEED TO BE ON IT.
UM, IF WE CAN MAKE A POLICY DECISION TO WHERE THEY DON'T MAKE DECISIONS WITHOUT OUR OVERSIGHT, THEN I WOULD BE OKAY WITH US NOT BEING ON IT.
UM, I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT IF HIS POINT IS CORRECT, THEN WE HAVE, WE NEED TO BE ON IT.
JASON, DID YOU HAVE YES, MARY, IT IS STATUTORY THE, WHAT IT IS STATUTORY THAT THE MDD IS ITS OWN GOVERNING BODY, THE FULL POWER TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT AS A BOARD.
AND, AND SO I THINK THE BALANCE WE'RE TRYING TO FIND IS, IS WE WANT CITIZEN INPUT.
WE WANT, IN A SENSE, SOME OF THAT INPUT TO BE BASICALLY CREDENTIALED
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BY PROFESSION IN SOME CASES OR EXPERIENCE.WE WANT GENERAL CITIZEN INPUT ALSO.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ALSO WANT TO PRESENT THAT WHERE COUNSEL, LET'S JUST SAY SEVEN MEMBERS VERSUS I GUESS IT'S THE 13, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE OTHER SIX THAT WOULD BE, UM, OH, EXCUSE ME.
YEAH, THE OTHER SIX THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY ALL WERE DISSENTING COUNSEL WOULD STILL CONTROL MDD.
AND I THINK WHAT WE'VE HEARD, I THINK THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF THE INPUT HAS BEEN, IS THAT WE DON'T, WE WANT IT TO BE AGAINST, IN A SENSE, MORE CITIZEN OF A MAJORITY OF REPRESENTATION, BUT NOT, NOT WHERE, UM, IT'S THE ONLY THING BECAUSE WE DO NEED A CHECKS AND BALANCE BETWEEN MDD AND CITY COUNCIL.
THAT'S WHY MY RECOMMENDATION IS FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WOULD THE MAYOR AND THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS, HOWEVER WE GET TO THAT.
AND THEN FIVE, WHICH WILL GET US TO NINE.
IF WE WANT TO DO MORE THAN THAT, THAT'S FINE WITH ME TOO, I GUESS.
BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP THAT BALANCE.
IF WE, IF WE DO THAT, I MEAN, IF YOU DON'T DO FOUR, THEN YOU NEED TO, YOU MIGHT AS WELL DO SEVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND WE'RE RIGHT BACK WHERE WE STARTED.
UM, I KNOW IN THE PAST WE HESITATED LIMITING TERMS TO, UM, BOARD MEMBERS, ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS OR THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE THEY ARE, THEY'RE VOLUNTEERS.
SO IF THEY WANNA SERVE FOR 10, 20 YEARS, ET CETERA, THEN I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE TAKING THEIR TIME TO SERVE.
IF THEY HAVE EXCELLENT ATTENDANCE, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THIS PARTICULAR BODY, WOULD WE CONSIDER TERM LIMITS FOR THOSE CITIZEN POSITIONS? CITIZEN OR EVEN OUR, THOSE THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUNDS.
AND THEN THAT WAY WE DO GET ADDITIONAL CITIZEN INPUT BECAUSE SOMEONE WOULD BE TURNED, YOU KNOW, TERMED OUT AFTER FOUR YEARS OR SOMETHING.
I WOULDN'T SAY, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD WANT TO GO ANY LOWER THAN FOUR BECAUSE THEY'VE GOTTA GET THEIR FEET WET, THEY'VE GOTTA LEARN AND THEN IT TAKES TIME.
SO MAYBE WE TERM IT OUT AFTER FOUR YEARS AND THEN WE REAPPOINT A NEW RESIDENT AND PROFESSIONAL PERSON.
AND, UH, AND, AND I'M NOT SURE I REMEMBER LAST YEAR AT SOME TIME, THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE THAT WAS POINTED OUT TO ME WHERE IT ACTUALLY, BY POLICY, IT SHOWS THAT WE, WE, WE, WE ACTUALLY ROTATE CITIZENS TO THROUGH COMMITTEES.
AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT, IF THERE WAS AN ACTUAL TIMEFRAME, IF IT'S NINE YEARS OR 12 YEARS, BUT SINCE WE ARE 12 YEARS, I THINK 12 YEARS FOR A CITIZEN, AND IN SOME CASES YOU, YOU, YOU DO HAVE TO LET GO OF SOME REALLY GOOD PEOPLE.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD SUPPORT TERM LIMITS IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT.
YOU CAN EITHER DO IT BY POLICY OR YOU CAN JUST DO IT BY AS, AS ANOTHER TIMES.
IT'S LIKE, OKAY, IT'S JUST TIME FOR A DIFFERENT PHASE.
SO THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE UP TO US.
UM, I, I KIND OF LIKE YOUR IDEA WHAT THE FOUR OR FIVE, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON THAT IS IF THE ONES WHO STEP OFF GET A DISTRICT LIKE CITYWIDE, PICK THE WHAT NOW? SO IF SAY, SAY YOU NO, HOLD ON T THEY DON'T POINT IS CITYWIDE.
SO, SO THAT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER, MEMBER COULD GET AN APPOINTED DISTRICT CITYWIDE APPOINTEE IF HE DECIDES HE OR SHE DECIDES TO STEP OFF MM-HMM
BUT YOU'RE, YEAH, YOU'RE ASKING, SO YOU'RE ASKING IF THERE'S DISTRICT SPECIFIC APPOINTMENTS.
SO, SO SAY IF WE GO WITH YOURS, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND I SAY, WELL, I'M GONNA STEP OFF, CAN I GET MY OWN CITYWIDE APPOINTEE? BUT HE APPOINTS THE CITIZEN INSTEAD OF AT LARGE INSTEAD OF IT BEING AT LARGE.
THAT'D BE A DECISION WE'D HAVE TO MAKE.
I GUESS I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULDN'T STEP OFF AND THEN THE SAME COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE ON THE BOARD ALSO GET TO MAKE THE APPOINTEES THAT I JUST, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ALL THE POWER JUST BEING WITH, BECAUSE THIS PARTICULAR BOARD HANDLES SO MUCH MONEY.
I MEAN, LA LAST TIME WE WERE IN HERE, WE JUST A MILLION DOLLARS.
I MEAN, I JUST, WE'RE, WE'RE ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS HERE AND WE WERE ELECTED FOR A REASON.
AND THIS BOARD IS VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, AND WE GET A LOT OF INPUT INSIDE THIS ROOM AND OUTSIDE OF THIS ROOM WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH THESE PARTICULAR MONIES.
AND I JUST, IF WE'RE GONNA GO WITH WHAT YOU SAY, THEN WE, THAT'S JUST MY RECOMMENDATION.
BUT IF WE'RE GONNA GO WITH WHAT YOU SAY, THEN THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME EQUAL REPRESENTATION FROM THE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND OUR DISTRICTS.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S JUST, IT'S A, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY AND A LOT OF POWER AND A LOT IT'S MAYOR AND, AND I'M GONNA AGREE WITH BOTH MY COLLEAGUES HERE.
I, I THINK ORIGINALLY I'D LIKE TO SEE IT REDUCED, BUT I THINK AFTER THE DISCUSSIONS, I LIKE THE IDEA OF KEEPING THE 13TH SIX MEMBERS OF COUNCIL PLUS THE MAYOR, SIX CITIZENS, IF YOU WILL.
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OUT OF THOSE SIX THAT THERE'S A BANKER REQUIREMENT, A REAL ESTATE REQUIREMENT, A BUSINESS OWNER REQUIREMENT, AND THEN THREE CITIZENS AT LARGE THAT PUTS A BALANCE FROM THE, BASICALLY THE CITIZEN GROUP TO THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.AND THEN MAYOR BASICALLY ACTS AS THE TIEBREAKER.
UM, I'VE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME.
I'VE VERY SELDOM SEEN MDD NEED A TIEBREAKER.
HOWEVER, SINCE IT IS A STATUTORILY INDEPENDENT COMMITTEE, THERE IS SO MANY DISCUSSIONS THROUGH THE YEARS AND IN THE TENURE, I'VE BEEN ON COUNCILORS SO MANY DISCUSSIONS THAT WE ARE FROM AWARE OF MORE INFORMATION THAN ANY OF THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THAT THEY, IF WE MADE IT WHERE THEY'RE PREDOMINANT OR JUST STRICTLY CITIZENS, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
AND THOSE DECISIONS THEN WOULD BE SHORT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
IF IT IS STATUTORILY REQUIRED, LET'S KEEP IT AS SEVEN MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WITH THE MAYOR AND SIX MEMBERS AT LARGE.
UH, I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND THAT WE TRY TO ENSURE THAT THE EXPERTISE, NOW WE CAN DO THAT JUST BY GENERAL POLICY OR CREATE IN, IN THE MDD RULES THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE BANKER, ONE REAL ESTATE.
THEY COULD BE MORE, BUT AT LEAST ONE OF EACH OF THOSE THREE, A BUSINESS OWNER AND AND YOUR REAL ESTATE PERSON AND A BANKERS THAT WE, WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT EXPERTISE IS ON THE BOARD.
SO YOU'RE SAYING WHAT, WHAT I'M HEARING, LEAVE IT AT 13.
I'M ONLY HEARING FROM THIS SIDE RIGHT NOW.
SO KEEP IT AT 13, SEVEN MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, SIX CITIZENS.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WE MAY WANNA LOOK AT, OUT OF THE SIX CITIZENS, THEY WILL HAVE SOME, IT MAY NOT BE ALL, BUT SOME WILL HAVE SOME, I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY ROLE REQUIREMENT FROM IT COULD BE PROFESSION, EXPERIENCE, BUSINESS, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
AND SO RIGHT NOW THAT DOESN'T EXIST.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, TO GO AND, AND, UM, MY SUGGESTION FOR THIS PARTICULAR BOARD WOULD BE WE REMAIN AT 13 AND THAT WE, WE TRY TO DEFINE WHAT THAT IS.
I'M NOT SURE WE CAN DO IT RIGHT NOW, BUT, OKAY.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW, HOW DO WE HANDLE OBVIOUSLY CURRENT MEMBERS.
THERE'S TWO INDIVIDUALS, I GUESS ONE, ONE IS A BANKER AND ONE WAS A BUSINESS OWNER.
SO WE LOOK AT, WE LOOK AT A FEW THINGS.
ONE, WOULD THEY FIT A ROLE? AND THEN I STILL THINK THAT, THAT THERE IS SOME BENEFIT INTO, UM, WHERE IF THEY SERVE A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME AT, AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S TIMES I'VE SEEN CITIZENS SERVE FOR 30 SOMETHING YEARS AND THEY MAY BE GREAT VOLUNTEERS AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I ALSO WILL SAY THAT THERE'S PEOPLE WHO SERVED IN THOSE CAPACITIES THAT LONG AND BECAUSE THEY DID AND THEY WERE CHAIR, THERE WAS VERY LITTLE PROGRESSION ALSO IN THOSE COMMITTEES, BOARDS OR WHATEVER.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE DIFFERENT, THAT'S MY RUB ON IT.
I'M NOT OPPOSED A FOUR YEAR, SORRY, Y'ALL OKAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BUT YES, I WOULD SUPPORT TERM LIMITS FOR ALL COMMITTEES.
WELL, I WAS GONNA STATE YEAR FOR THIS ONE.
YEAH, WE'RE JUST GOING LOOKING AT THIS ONE RIGHT NOW.
BUT YES, I WAS GONNA STATE, ACCORDING TO YOUR RULES AND PROCEDURE, IT DOES INDICATE THAT YOU GUYS TAKE A LOOK AT THE MEMBER AFTER THREE CONSECUTIVE TERMS. SO IT DOES HAVE THAT IN THERE.
SO I THINK WE WOULD, THAT'S WHY I WAS, I DIDN'T REMEMBER THE LANGUAGE, BUT WHATEVER THE, WHATEVER THAT LANGUAGE IS, SO FOR SOME APPOINTMENTS IT MAY BE TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS, FOUR YEARS, WHATEVER.
SO I WOULD JUST SAY IT'S BE CONSISTENT MOVING FORWARD, BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
AND IT DOES SAY THAT, BUT COUNSEL DOESN'T DO THAT.
SO I WOULD RATHER HAVE A DISCUSSION AND, AND MAYBE AN AGENDA ITEM IN THE FUTURE TO VOTE ON WHETHER WE ENACT ACTUAL TERM LIMITS FOR THE COMMITTEES BECAUSE, UH, ALL DUE RESPECT TO RULES AND PROCEDURES, THEY'RE NOT REALLY THAT CLOSELY FOLLOWED.
SO, SO I WOULD JUST SAY THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE AD HOC.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE, I AGREE WITH TERM LIMITS AS WELL.
I THINK THE ISSUE IS GONNA BE, UM, 'CAUSE WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM.
IF WE DIDN'T, THEN I WOULD CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION.
THE, WHEN YOU SAY TERM LIMITS AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MDD SPECIFICALLY RIGHT NOW, IT WILL BE SUBJECT TO PROBABLY THE AD HOC RECOMMENDATION, I WOULD SAY SUBJECT.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST GONNA LEAVE THAT PART ALONE.
AND SO MY, MY ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATION ON THE MBD BOARD WHEN IS, WHEN IS, UH, THE OTHER TWO CITIZENS PLUS MYSELF AND WHOEVER ELSE ON THE 31ST, I WOULD SUGGEST, UH, IF I, IF, UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN, SO THOSE CITIZENS, INCLUDING MYSELF, WE, WE CAN, WE CAN CONTINUE IN THE CAPACITY YES.
UNTIL, UNTIL APPOINTED OR WHATEVER ELSE.
SO WE CAN STILL CONTINUE TO SERVE.
YOU CAN SERVE AS A HOLDOVER, RIGHT? AND SO I WOULD CONTINUE TO DO THAT UNTIL WE FIGURE THIS OUT.
AND THEN WE'LL TAKE ACTION ON MDD AND THEN, UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WHATEVER THE AD HOC COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS FOR ALL THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
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SO, DOES THAT SOUND FAIR? I'M GOOD WITH THAT.CAN I JUST POINT OUT ONE MORE THING? ALL THESE MEMBERS ON THE COMMITTEE SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF COUNSEL.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR ANYONE'S TERM TO EXPIRE TO REPLACE THEM.
SO I, I JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT, THAT SOMEONE COULD BE IN THE MIDDLE OF SERVING ON A COMMITTEE AND IT, YOU CAN REPLACE THEM.
SO IF THEY'RE, THEY SERVE AT OUR PLEASURE AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE.
SO AS LONG AS YOU TALK TO THEM THOUGH, AND NOT JUST YANK 'EM OUT AND PUT SOMEONE NEW, AND THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT HAPPENED? I MEAN, YOU CAN DO THAT THOUGH.
THEY, YOU ARE ALLOWED, I'M JUST SAYING RULES, RULES.
IF YOU CAN REPLACE ANYONE AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON, I THINK, WELL, THE POINT, THAT'S WHERE THE OTHER LANGUAGE ARE SHOWN ABOUT.
SO IF IT'S A DISTRICT SPECIFIC OR WHATEVER, WHAT Y'ALL CALL IT, DISTRICT RESIDENT.
NOW, IF IT'S A DISTRICT RESIDENT, THEN YES, A COUNCILS MEMBER INDIVIDUALLY COULD MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
BUT IT STILL HAS TO GO TO COUNSEL FOR CONFIRMATION, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO THERE, THERE IS STILL THAT LEVEL.
YOU CAN SAY, I'M GONNA SWITCH OUT, YOU KNOW, JOHN DOE WITH JANE DOE, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO GO TO COUNSEL FOR THAT APPROVAL.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, UM, HOLISTIC, UM, AUTHORITY.
UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THERE'S AN AT LARGE THEN, AND, AND WE FEEL THAT IT'S TIME TO, TO CHANGE SOMETHING OUT, EVEN MIDTERM, THEN I GUESS WE COULD, UM, MAYOR, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE AD HOC COMMITTEE IS, SINCE WE'VE MADE A DECISION FOR THE MDD, HE'S GONNA STAY AT 13.
CORRECT? IS THE AD HOC JUST GOING TO BE FOR THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED? OKAY.
AND THEN TERMS, TERM LIMITS OR NO.
OR, YEAH, I THINK YANK AND POOL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CALL
I, I THINK, I THINK REALLY THERE'S ALREADY LANGUAGE.
I KIND OF LIKE THE NO IDEA THE THREE CONSECUTIVE TERMS. MM-HMM.
SOME BOARDS MAY BE DIFFERENT TERM, TERM TIMEFRAMES, BUT THAT SOUNDS FAIR.
AND NOW I THINK THE DIFFERENCE AS, AS COUNCILWOMAN WAS COMMENTING ON, IS THE, THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED BY MS. JACKSON WAS AFTER THREE CONSECUTIVE TERMS, COUNSEL MAY CONSIDER, I THINK SHE'S SAYING BY, BY OUR POLICIES, WE WILL REPLACE WITH A NEW PERSON.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THE AD HOC COMMITTEE WOULD, WOULD REVIEW AND RECOMMEND AND THAT COUNSEL WOULD CONSIDER AT A FUTURE MEETING.
ANY OTHER COMMENT? SO I DO HAVE ONE MORE THING, SIR.
UM, I, CAN WE BRING THIS BACK ON JUNE 8TH TO GO AHEAD AND GET THIS STARTED? SURE.
UM, SO YOU CAN, UM, APPOINT YOUR AD HOC COMMITTEE AND BY THEN I CAN, I'LL TRY TO SEE, WE'LL SEE WHO'S, WHO'S AVAILABLE.
I MEAN, IT'S ALMOST SUMMERTIME.
UM, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD GET THIS DONE IN 90 DAYS OR LESS.
LESS, THAT MAKES SENSE, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT MDD WILL STILL BE MEETING YES.
CONTINUE AS IS UNTIL CHANGE IS BEEN, YEAH.
SO I GUESS, UM, SO FOR, FOR JUNE 8TH, THEN IT WOULD BE BY THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROVIDE INPUT TO WHAT ROLES YOU WANT YES.
TO SEE OUT OF THE SIX MEMBERS.
AND MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE CONSIDER GENERAL CITIZEN ALSO LIKE WE'VE HAD OTHERS, RIGHT.
DON'T, DON'T PIGEONHOLE SO, SO MUCH WHERE WE HAVE SIX PROFESSIONS IN A SENSE AND WE CAN'T FIND THAT.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD HAVE A BALANCE WITHIN THE SIX, HAVE A BALANCE BETWEEN GENERAL CITIZEN INPUT AND THEN I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY PROFESSION EXPERIENCE OR WHATEVER TYPE INPUT.
IS THAT ENOUGH DIRECTION FOR THAT? YES.
ALRIGHT, CHIEF, SO OUR NEXT ITEM
[b. Receive and discuss a presentation regarding the Request for Proposals for Tow Truck Services to clarify context purpose and scope.]
IS TO RECEIVE AND DISCUSS A PRESENTATION REGARDING THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR TOW TRUCK SERVICE.TO CLARIFY CONTEXT, PURPOSE, AND SCOPE, CHIEF, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
UM, WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS THE REQUEST, UH, FOR PROPOSALS FOR THE TOW TRUCK SERVICES, UH, UH, COMING UP.
UH, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE, HAVE SAFE AND CLEAR ROADWAYS AND PROTECTION FOR OUR CITIZENS.
UH, SELECTION OF A TOW SERVICE IS A SUPPORTING COMPONENT OF KEEPING OUR ROADWAYS SAFE AND CLEAR FOR BOTH TRAVEL AND, UM, AND OTHER TRAFFIC ON THE ROADWAYS AND ALONG THE ROADWAYS.
AND IT DIRECTLY SUPPORTS OUR MISSION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO SERVE AND PROTECT OUR CITIZENS.
UH, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CITIZENS ARE PROTECTED, UH, FINANCIALLY AND, UH, THAT THEIR RIGHTS ARE PROTECTED.
UH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE SET VERY CLEAR, UH, UNDERSTANDABLE PARAMETERS FOR WHOEVER WE SELECT AS OUR TOW SERVICE PROVIDER.
AND THAT IS WHAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS HERE THIS EVENING.
SO OUR INTENTION AND GOAL IS TO ESTABLISH A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS, EXCUSE ME, UH, FOR CONTRACTED TOW SERVICES THAT CLEARLY DEFINES THE EXPECTATIONS, PROCESSES, AND PROCEDURES FOR A CONTRACTED TOW SERVICE.
UH, WE ARE SEEKING A CONSENSUS ON THE KEY ELEMENTS OF AN RFP IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROCESS PRIOR TO THE NEW FISCAL YEAR.
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I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU A OVERVIEW OF THE CURRENT STATE OF OUR SAFE AND CLEAR ROADWAYS.UM, CURRENTLY THE TOW SERVICES ARE REQUIRED TO ARRIVE WITHIN 30 MINUTES OF DISPATCH.
UH, WHILE THERE ARE SOME OUTLIERS ON THIS, UH, 45 AND 50 MINUTE RESPONSE TIMES, UH, OVER THE, THE 2023 TIME PERIOD SO FAR TO DATE, UH, THE AVERAGE, UH, RESPONSE TIME FOR THE CURRENT TOW SERVICE IS 21 MINUTES.
NOW, THOSE OUTLIERS THAT I DISCUSSED EARLIER COULD VERY WELL BE, UH, HEAVY LIFT TOWS FOR SEMIS AND, UH, AND, AND HEAVIER EQUIPMENT BECAUSE OUR CAD SYSTEM IN DISPATCH DOES NOT DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN A REGULAR TOW SERVICE FOR A PASSENGER VEHICLE VERSUS A COMMERCIAL VEHICLE.
UM, THE TOWS FOR THE CALENDAR YEAR OF 2022 WERE 3,300, UH, 21.
WE ARE, AS YOU'LL SEE, WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE THAT, UH, WE PROBABLY CHANGED THAT IN THE RFP TO PROBABLY EXPECT ABOUT 4,000 YEAR TO DATE.
WHEN THIS POWERPOINT WAS PUT TOGETHER, WE WERE ALREADY AT, UH, 1,275, AND THOSE NUMBERS ARE, ARE A COUPLE OF WEEKS OLD.
THE FUTURE STATE THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING, UH, FOR THE RFP THAT COVERS SAFE AND CLEAR ROADWAYS, UH, THE RESPONSE TIME REQUIREMENT DOES NOT CHANGE.
UH, WE BELIEVE THAT 30 MINUTES IS A REASONABLE TIME TO EXPECT SOMEONE WHO WE CALL TO CLEAR ROADWAY TO ARRIVE, CLEAR THE ROADWAY.
AND, UM, IT'S ALSO A 24 HOUR SERVICE, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 365 DAYS A YEAR.
SO THAT'S REMAINED UNCHANGED IN THE CURRENT RFP UH, DEBRIS REMOVAL.
UH, WE HAVE MADE A, A SLIGHT CHANGE TO THIS PARTICULAR PORTION.
THIS IS IN, UM, CONJUNCTION WITH BOTH BEST, UH, BEST PRACTICES FOR THE INDUSTRY AS WELL AS STATE LAW THAT, UH, ALL TOW SERVICE PROVIDERS ARE REQUIRED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ROADWAY IS CLEAR OF DEBRIS, UH, AT ANY KIND TYPE OF A COLLISION SCENE.
ONE THING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD SPECIFICALLY TO THE LANGUAGE OF THE RFP IS THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT A TOW SERVICE PROVIDER, THEIR DRIVER, UH, WILL NOT LEAVE THE SCENE UNTIL THEY HAVE CONFIRMATION FROM THE POLICE OFFICER OR PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICIAL ON SCENE THAT THE ROADWAY HAS BEEN SATISFACTORILY CLEAR, SATISFACTORILY CLEARED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
UM, ANOTHER THING THAT WE WOULD, UH, THAT WE WOULD ADD IS THE AVAILABILITY OF TRUCKS AT ANY TOW SERVICE THAT WE, UH, THAT WE SELECT WOULD HAVE A MINIMUM OF FOUR TRUCKS.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THE POTENTIAL TO IMPACT RESPONSE TIMES.
UH, IT'S VERY, UH, FEASIBLE TO, TO ASSUME THAT WE COULD HAVE MULTIPLE COLLISIONS ACROSS THE CITY WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO, UM, WE'D HAVE TO CALL OUR, OUR, OUR TOW SERVICE PROVIDER.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T, UH, DELAY THOSE RESPONSE TIMES AND WE CAN STILL EFFICIENTLY, UH, CLEAR THE SCENES AND GET THE ROADWAYS CLEARED AS WELL.
AND AT THIS POINT, IF YOU HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS, UH, ANY NEED FOR CLARIFICATION, UH, I'D BE HAPPY TO, UH, TO STOP HERE BEFORE WE MOVE ON.
A ANY, ANY QUESTIONS ON WHAT WAS EXPRESSED SO FAR? YES, MA'AM.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SCREEN? UM, FIRST SLIDE.
UM, IF WE'RE ADDING VERIFIED BY A POLICE OFFICER PRIOR TO LEAVING THE SCENE.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT A POLICE OFFICER WILL ALWAYS BE THERE AS LONG AS THE TOW TRUCK IS? UM, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN SOME INSTANCES, I, I CAN'T SAY THAT IT WAS HERE IN BAYTOWN, BUT MM-HMM
UM, THE TOW TRUCK WAS STILL ON SCENE, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANY PATROL OFFICERS.
SO, WELL, I WOULD SAY THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE COLLISIONS WHERE A POLICE OFFICER'S NOT CALLED AND THEY GO AHEAD AND CALL FOR A TOW SERVICE.
UH, TYPICALLY WE ARE ON SCENE UNTIL THE, UH, THE TOW TRUCK HAS, HAS MOVED THE VEHICLE OFF THE ROADWAY OR CLEARED THE SCENE.
AND THE REASON WE DO THAT IS BECAUSE OUR, UH, POLICE LIGHTS AND VEHICLES PROVIDE BLOCKAGE AND SAFETY AND TRAFFIC CONTROL FOR THAT PARTICULAR SCENE.
I HAVE A QUICK, I HAVE A QUESTION.
HE WAS FIRST, UH, CHIEF, HAS THE FOUR TRUCK ISSUE BEEN AN ISSUE? IT HAS NOT.
UM, WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF TIMES WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN DELAYED RESPONSE TIMES DUE TO THE, THE NUMBER OF VEHICLE OR THE NUMBER OF COLLISIONS THAT WE'VE HAD.
UH, WE ARE ANTICIPATING WITH THE GROWTH OF THE GENERAL AREA THAT THAT COULD BE A PROBLEM.
WE'D LIKE TO ADDRESS IT BEFORE IT DOES BECOME A PROBLEM.
CHIEF, IS THERE, UH, ANY, UH, I KNOW HOW TO SAY IT.
IF, IF A TRUCK CONTINUALLY, HOW MANY TIMES, IF A TRUCK IS LATE, HOW MANY TIMES IS, IS THERE, BECAUSE I'M UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IF A TRUCK IS LATE ONE TIME, THEN THERE CONTRACT BEING ON THE VOID.
IS THAT CORRECT? IS THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT DO STATE THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO ARRIVE WITHIN 30 MINUTES? UM, ANY KIND OF DISPUTES OR COMPLAINTS ARE, UH, ESPECIALLY ON THE BILLING IS, UH, IS, IS DETERMINED BY THE CHIEF OF
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POLICE.COULD WE THEORETICALLY SAY YOU WERE LATE ONE TIME, THEREFORE YOUR CONTRACT IS NULL AND VOID? I BELIEVE THAT WE PROBABLY COULD.
UM, IF THAT'S THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT, CORRECT? YES.
I HAVE NOT VIEWED THE CONTRACT, BUT IF THAT'S THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT, YES.
WELL, I'M, I'M GONNA GO OFF WITH SOME VERY OLD MEMORY, BUT I WOULD SAY WHAT I REMEMBER BOTH IN THE R THE LAST RFP CONTRACT ORIENTATION WAS THAT, UM, IF YOU WERE LATE, THAT WAS CONSIDERED BREACH OF CONTRACT.
THAT'S WHAT WAS EXPLAINED TO POTENTIAL CONTRACT PARTICIPANTS, I GUESS, OR PEOPLE WHO WOULD SUBMIT.
UM, I ALSO WANNA SAY I'M, I'M NOT SURE, I THINK THE 30 MINUTES, WHICH I DO SUPPORT, IT WAS 30 MINUTES IN A PREVIOUS, THAT'S PREVIOUS WHEN WE HAD THE ROTATION, BUT IN THIS CONTRACT IT WAS 25.
SO I'M, I, WHEN IT SAYS UNCHANGED, I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACCURATE CHIEF, UNFORTUNATELY.
I'LL, I'LL GO BACK AND, AND CHECK.
AND YOU MAY BE RIGHT ON THAT THERE.
I DO REMEMBER, AND, AND I MAY HAVE GOTTEN IT, UH, CONFUSED WITH A, UH, A POLICY OR, UH, UH, A MEMO THAT I READ ON THIS.
THERE WAS A LOT OF, UH, BACK AND FORTH, I GUESS WITH, THERE'S A LOT, THIS IS A SENSITIVE SUBJECT MM-HMM
BUT I WOULD SAY THIS IS PROBABLY HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
UH, MY ONLY COMMENT, ADDITION, I LIKE THE 30 MINUTES, AND I DO, I DO THINK THIS DEBRIS REMOVAL MOVING FORWARD IN A FUTURE STATE, I HAVE SEEN THE CURRENT CONTRACTOR I'VE SEEN AFTER THERE'S ACCIDENTS, I'VE SEEN LARGE PARTS OF CARS OR VEHICLES IN THE ROADWAY STILL.
SO I WOULD TOTALLY CONCUR WITH THAT.
IT'S, THEY'RE NOT DONE WITH THEIR JOB UNTIL THEY HAVE COMPLETED, UM, ALL THE TASKS AND A POLICE OFFICER ON SCENE, WHOEVER'S IN CHARGE HAS RELEASED THEM FROM THEIR, FROM THEIR, UH, THEIR TASKS.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU BRING UP, I THINK THAT'S WHAT COUNCILMAN, UH, UH, BLESSER WAS MENTIONING.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SAY FOUR TRUCKS MINIMUM BECAUSE OF RESPONSE TIME.
UM, I THINK THE RESPONSE TIME, IF IT WAS 25 MINUTES, AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE WAS IN SOME CASES, AND I DON'T, THINGS HAPPEN THAT PEOPLE HAVE EXCEEDED THAT, THEN I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A FOUR TRUCK MINIMUM.
MY, MY RESERVATION FOR THE PAST, I GUESS FIVE YEARS HAS BEEN THAT, UH, HAVING ONE, ONE SOLE PROVIDER I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH, I STILL BELIEVE HAVING SOME TYPE OF RESERVE BACKUP MM-HMM
UM, JUST IN, IN THE CASE THAT WE MAY HAVE A LARGE SCENE, WELL, WE CAN HAVE MULTIPLE SCENES.
IT COULD BE SINGLE DOUBLE CAR ACCIDENTS, BUT WE HAVE FOUR OR FIVE OF 'EM SOMETIMES IN, IN THE CITY.
AND SO I STILL BELIEVE HAVING AT LEAST TWO PROVIDERS, ONE IS A PRIMARY ONE AS A, AS A RESERVE, WOULD BE MY INPUT ON THIS PROCESS.
UH, I DID FIND THE 30 MINUTE, IT'S UNDER SECTION 1.2, SUBSECTION E UH, CONTRACTOR SHALL ASSURE THAT ANY TOW TRUCK DISPATCH PURSUANT TO THIS CONTRACT ARRIVES ON SCENE WITHIN 30 MINUTES OF BEING DISPATCHED BY THE CITY OF BAY TOWN'S POLICE DEPARTMENT OR OTHER AUTHORIZED CITY VEHICLES, SO, OR CITY OFFICIALS.
SO THAT'S WHERE, WHERE THE 30 MINUTES CAME FROM, THE SLIDE.
I HAVE A COPY OF THE, THE, THE RRP THAT, OR THE CONTRACT THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNSEL IN 2018.
SO I'LL, I'LL TAKE A LOOK MYSELF TOO.
UH, CITIZEN PROTECTION, THE CURRENT STATE, WE HAVE A, UH, A SCHEDULED, UH, TOW FEES.
AND, UM, THEY ARE, UH, WE, WE BELIEVE THEY'RE REASONABLE, UH, THE STORAGE FEES AS WELL, UH, AS YOU SEE IS $25 A DAY FOR VEHICLES UNDER 25 FEET, $35, UH, FOR VEHICLES THAT ARE OVER 25 FEET.
UM, THE COMPLAINT PROCESS, UH, AT THIS POINT, THE ONLY THING LISTED IN THE RFP WAS REGARDING, UH, ONLY THE BILLING, AND THAT'S FORWARDED TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE FOR FINAL DISPOSITION.
AND YOU'LL SEE WE HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS, UH, ON THIS NEXT SLIDE.
MOVING FORWARD, UH, WE PROPOSE TO ELIMINATE THE CITY FEE.
UH, IT'S CURRENT MONTHLY REFERRAL COMMISSION IS WHAT IT'S CALLED IN THE RFP.
IT'S ONLY $4 AND 50 CENTS PER TOW, BUT IT 3,200 TO 4,000 TOWS.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT DOES BECOME, UH, UH, IT DOES BECOME, UH, YOU KNOW, A A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY, BUT ELIMINATING THE FEE WILL NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT THE BAYTOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, MANAGEMENT OF THIS PROGRAM AS AN ANCILLARY DUTY ASSIGNED TO THE CHIEF'S ASSISTANT.
UM, SO WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT GONNA MISS THAT MONEY, BUT WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT, UH, REMOVING IT WILL HELP US MAINTAIN OBJECTIVITY, UM, NEW COMPLAINT PROCESS.
UH, WE WOULD LIKE THE TOW SERVICE PROVIDER TO ISSUE, UH, UH, THE, THE PROCESS FOR FILING ANY TYPE OF COMPLAINT AT THE TIME, TIME OF TOW TO THE, UH, THE OWNER OF THE VEHICLE, IF THEY'RE THERE, OR PROBABLY PUT IT IN THE VEHICLE IF THEY'VE HAD TO BE TRANSPORTED TO THE HOSPITAL OR, UH, WEREN'T ABLE TO ACCEPT IT AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME.
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ALL BILLING COMPLAINTS, UH, WOULD BE PROVIDED WITHIN 24 HOURS, UH, EVEN IF THEY'RE RESOLVED.AND ALL COMPLAINTS OF ANY NATURE, WHETHER IT'S BILLING RUDENESS, UH, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, UH, WOULD BE REPORTED TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE WITHIN 24 HOURS.
AND WE WILL KEEP, UH, RECORD OF THAT.
AND THAT'LL HELP US AS WE CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT TO RENEW CONTRACTS.
AND WE CAN GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION IN THE FUTURE.
BUT IT WOULD GIVE US SOME TYPE OF MECHANISM TO BE ABLE TO KEEP, UH, INFORMATION ON THE TYPE OF SERVICE THAT OUR CONTRACTORS WHO REPRESENT THE CITY WOULD BE GIVING TO OUR CITIZENS TO.
IF I CAN ASK, SO THIS TOW SERVICE, TOW SERVICE PROVIDERS COMPLAINT PROCESS AT TIME OF TOW IN WRITING.
SO YOU, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT, I MEAN, THE CITIZENS WOULD BE THE ONES WHO ARE COMPLAINING HERE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO, SO THE TOW TRUCK DRIVER WOULD HAVE A PRE-PRINTED SHEET THAT WE WOULD AGREE ON WITH A TOW SERVICE PROVIDER.
AND AT THE SAME TIME THAT THEY GOT THEIR, THEIR RECEIPT FOR THE VEHICLE BEING TOWED, THEY WOULD ALSO GET THE COMPLAINT PROCESS IN WRITING AS WELL, SO THAT THEY WOULD BE FULLY INFORMED.
UM, HA, I, I SAW ON YOUR SIDES, HAS THE CHIEF OF POLICE ALWAYS BEEN THE, WHERE THE COMPLAINTS GO? BECAUSE ON THE PRE, THAT'S WHAT IT SAID ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE ON MM-HMM
COMPLAINTS THAT I COULD FIND IN THE RFP OR ANY OTHER AGREEMENTS, UH, WHICH, WHICH COULDN'T FIND ANY OTHER WRITTEN AGREEMENTS, UH, REQUIRED ANY OTHER TYPE OF COMPLAINTS TO BE REPORTED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND I THINK THAT, UH, QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER FOR OUR CITIZENS ON THAT.
WELL, I JUST WANNA, I, I REALLY LIKE THIS AND WHAT YOU CAME BACK WITH, BECAUSE I THINK ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT THAT NIGHT, WE VISITED SOME OF THIS INFORMATION IS MM-HMM
AS A CITIZEN, IF I HAD A COMPLAINT, BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT SAY, OH, YEAH, THE TOW TRUCK SERVICE IS TERRIBLE, BUT WE COULD HAD NO RECORD OF ANY COMPLAINTS.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, AND SO I LIKE YOUR IDEA AND I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT IT'S OUR, UM, STANDARD TO OFFER THIS PIECE OF PAPER THAT SAYS, THIS IS WHERE YOU MADE THE COMPLAINT TO.
SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY GOOD.
WELL, AND, AND, AND AGAIN, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE A CONTRACTED TOW SERVICE, THEY REPRESENT THE, THE, THE CITY AS ANY OTHER EMPLOYEE WOULD, AND IF AT THE END OF THEIR CONTRACT YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION, WE CAN GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION TO, TO HELP YOU MAKE A MORE INFORMED DECISION AS A COUNCIL, UM, CUSTOMER SERVICE AND CONVENIENCE, UH, WE WOULD MAINTAIN THAT, UH, THERE WOULD AT LEAST NEED TO BE A STORAGE FACILITY WITHIN CITY LIMITS.
UM, WE WOULD ALSO PROPOSE THAT THEY HAVE AN OFFICE WITHIN CITY LIMITS.
UM, AND, AND WE ASK THAT THE COUNCIL CONSIDER THAT, AS WELL AS ADD THAT, UH, THERE IS A 45 MINUTE WINDOW OF, UH, OF BEING ABLE TO RE RELEASE THE VEHICLE UPON REQUEST SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE CITIZENS WHO SHOW UP TO GET THEIR VEHICLES AND THEY'RE WAITING AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.
AGAIN, THEY ARE REPRESENTING THE CITY AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE WORKING TO THE SAME STANDARDS OF, UH, PUBLIC SERVICE AND PERFORMANCE THAT WE WOULD EXPECT ANYBODY WHO'S EMPLOYED BY THE CITY TO DO CHIEF, I'M SORRY, WOULD THAT BE BASED ON THE, THE STANDARD WORKDAY HOURS? YOU KNOW, IF I SHOW UP AT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, I DON'T THINK IT'S REASONABLE.
AND THAT, AND THIS IS KIND OF A HOLLOW OVERVIEW, RIGHT? UH, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, UH, BASED ON YOUR INPUT, IF YOU WANTED TO SAY BETWEEN 8:00 AM AND 6:00 PM 7:00 PM SOMETHING REASONABLE, THEN WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD THAT TO THE RFP.
ANY OTHER
LET'S LET LET YOU GET THROUGH THAT.
UH, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN THE OKAY CLARIFICATION, THE ACTIONS TIME.
UH, THE CURRENT STATE OF ADMINISTRATION IS WE HAVE ONE TWO TOW SERVICE WITH AN INITIAL CONTRACT OF TWO YEARS.
UH, THE RENEWAL OPTION, I BELIEVE CURRENTLY STATES TWO YEARS, UM, AT A TIME WITH THE COMPLAINTS ONLY REGARDING THE BILLING.
AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT ALREADY.
UH, AND THE CITY COLLECTS REFERRALS AND COMMISSION FEES AND YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, THAT WE'RE, UH, SUGGESTING CHANGES ON THAT.
UH, THE BENEFITS WITH ONE PROVIDER, IT CREATES AGREED UPON CRITERIA STANDARDS.
UH, IT, WE BELIEVE THAT IT DOES PROTECT THE CITIZENS AND IT PROVIDES FOR SOME MANAGEABLE OVERSIGHT, UM, CONCERNS WITH MORE THAN ONE PROVIDER WOULD BE THAT IT DOES NEGATE THE IMPACT OF POSSIBLY HAVING CONTRACTS.
UH, WE BELIEVE THERE WOULD BE A SAFETY IMPACT FROM THE DELAY IN CLEARING ROADS, ESPECIALLY IF, UH, IF WE BEGIN TO HAVE ISSUES WITH, UH, ROTATING LISTS AND SOMEBODY WANTED TO BE DROPPED TO THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST, AND THEN THEY BEGIN THE COMPLAINTS, AND NOW WE HAVE DISPATCH WHO ARE TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH WHO'S WHERE AND PUTTING PEOPLE BACK WHERE THEY BELONG.
UM, AND, UH, THAT'S WHERE THE, THE CREATE, UH, THE ADMINISTRATIVE INEFFICIENCIES WE BELIEVE COME FROM.
AND WE COULD ALSO BE LOOKING AT TIME DELAYS ON GETTING THOSE ROADWAYS CLEARED.
SO WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU DO CONSIDER THAT.
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UM, WE WOULD ALSO PROPOSE THAT, UH, WE COULD DO AN INITIAL TWO, TWO YEAR CONTRACT WITH A REVIEW, UH, FOR ONE YEAR AT A TIME AFTER THAT, BASED ON THE PERFORMANCE CRITERIA THAT, THAT WE CAN GIVE TO YOU THE RECORDS THAT WE WOULD KEEP ON COMPLAINTS TOES.UH, WE WILL ACTUALLY LOOK AT MAYBE SEEING IF OUR CAD AND DISPATCH ALLOWS US TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE HEAVY LIFT TOES AND THE TRADITIONAL TOES.
UH, IT MAY BE SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS CREATING A NEW CATEGORY.
UH, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE I'M STILL LEARNING THIS NEW CAD SYSTEM.
I KNOW SOME CAD SYSTEMS ARE, ARE VERY FLEXIBLE, BUT IF WE COULD DO THAT, THAT WOULD HELP YOU TO SEE WHAT OUR TRADITIONAL TOES LOOK LIKE VERSUS OUR, OUR HEAVY LIFT TOES.
AND AGAIN, THE IDEA IS TO HELP YOU, THE COUNCIL MAKE A MORE INFORMED DECISION.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS OR CLARIFY POINTS OF CLARIFICATION? I HAVE A QUESTION, MAYOR.
UM, SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN ON HAVING MORE THAN ONE PROVIDER.
UM, I DO, UM, WE ACTUALLY HAD THAT WHEN WE HAD MULTIPLE, UM MM-HMM
IN THE PAST, BUT EVEN IF YOU HAVE TWO AS LIKE, HAVE ONE AS THE MAIN ONE MM-HMM
AND ONE IS THE BACKUP MM-HMM
UM, WOULD THAT STILL CREATE AN ISSUE OR DO YOU THINK THAT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WOULD, I DON'T KNOW THAT LIMITING IT TO TWO WOULD CREATE THE, THE ISSUE THAT HAVING 3, 4, 5, 6 ON A ROTATION WOULD, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY MANAGE TO BETTER MM-HMM
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M CERTAINLY, I THINK WE WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT MM-HMM
UH, ESPECIALLY IF WE WANT TO REVISIT HOW MANY TOW TRUCKS WE REQUIRE 'EM TO HAVE.
I WOULD NEED CLARIFICATION ON WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A BACKUP PROVIDER AND WHEN THAT INDIVIDUAL OR COMPANY IS CALLED, BECAUSE I'M DEFINITELY NOT SUPPORTING A ROTATING SCHEDULE OR SPLITTING BETWEEN MULTIPLE COMPANIES.
THERE IS A PRIMARY, IF WE GO THIS ROUTE AND THEN THERE'S A BACKUP.
AND SO IN WHAT SITUATION WE EVER CALL A BACKUP PROVIDER, I WOULD NEED TO KNOW THAT I UNDERSTAND.
AND I'M SAYING MINE WOULD BE WHERE LIKE HE, LIKE YOU COULD HAVE MULTIPLE ACCIDENTS AND THEN SAYING THAT YOUR, IF YOU HAD ONLY A PRIMARY, THEN WHATEVER THE RESPONSE TIME IS, IT'S THE RESPONSE TIME.
SO THAT'S WHERE THERE'S NO ROTATION.
IT WOULD BE YOU CALL PROVIDER B, SAY, HEY, WE NEED YOU OUT WHEN THEY GET CALLED UPON THIS.
WHEN, WHEN IT'S ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS ONLY, NOT A ROTATION, YOU COULD MAKE SURE THAT'S IN WRITING IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE END UP DOING.
IF, ESPECIALLY IN THE CASE, IF THAT'S WHAT WE CASE OF MULTI VEHICLES.
IF THAT'S WHAT WE DECIDE TO DO, WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS CLARIFIED SO THAT WE HAD VERY CLEAR UNDERSTANDING AND STANDARDS THAT WE COULD HOLD THE, UH, THE SECONDARY PROVIDER TO, BECAUSE WE WOULD ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY'RE NOT THE PRIMARY PROVIDER.
THEY'RE NOT ON A ROTATION LIST.
THEY ARE SIMPLY A TOW TRUCK AND RESERVE.
IF WE HAVE 6, 10, 12 COLLISIONS AT A TIME, SAY MAYBE DURING A HURRICANE, I SUPPOSE THAT'S A SCENARIO THAT COULD HAPPEN.
I HAVEN'T LIVED THROUGH A HURRICANE YET, BUT, UH,
I, I HAVE A LOT TO GO THROUGH, BUT I JUST WANTED TO JUST BE REAL QUICK.
THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS I WANTED TO SEE ON IT IS, UM, IN THE INTEREST OF THE QUALITY OF THE TOW TRUCK DRIVERS COMING IN, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, SEE THE TOW TRUCKS COMPANY HAVE THEIR, ALL THEIR EMPLOYEES SUBMIT TO A DRUG TEST MM-HMM
AND REPORT THOSE FINDINGS TO YOU GUYS, SO TO, TO, TO SEE THE QUALITY AND ALSO THEIR, YOU KNOW, THE DRESS CODE AND THE PROFESSIONALISM MM-HMM
OF THE TOW TRUCK DRIVERS IS NECESSARILY IS, IS IN MY OPINION, UM, UH, SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE HAD COURSE STORIES IN THE PAST WHERE PEOPLE SHOWING UP IN THEIR FLIP FLOPS AND MM-HMM
I UNDERSTAND, UH, SMELLING OF, UH, CHRISTMAS TREES
AND, AND SO JUST SOMETHING THAT I LIKE TO SEE ON THAT, THAT
UH, NOW THE, THE TOW SERVICE HAS TO PROVIDE THAT, BUT, UH, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO, TO SHOW PROOF OF THAT AT THE TIME.
I, I LIKE TO SEE THEM PROVIDE A DRUG TEST FROM DRUG TEST RESULTS AND EVEN RANDOM.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT ALL TOW TRUCK DRIVERS HAVE TO SUB HAVE TO HAVE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS? NO.
UH, FOR, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UH, RFP.
I MEAN, I GUESS WHEN WE, THERE'S TDLR MM-HMM
THE ACTUAL REGULATORY STATE LABORATORY AGENCY.
AND THEN WHAT WE EITHER HAD OR, OR REQUIRE FOR, FOR US, 'CAUSE THEY ARE AN EXTENSION, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REPRESENTING THE CITY MM-HMM
AND I MAY HAVE SAID THAT ALL IN ONE SENTENCE, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO.
ALL TOW TRUCK DRIVERS HAVE TO BE PROPERLY LICENSED.
SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONFUSION.
I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST IN THE MATTER OF TIME, SO WE CAN TAKE A BREAK BEFORE WE
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BEGIN OUR COUNCIL MEETING, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INPUT, UH, PLEASE FORWARD IT TO THE CHIEF AND, AND THE CITY MANAGER, UM, REGARDING THAT.BUT I, I THINK I WOULD SAY, CHIEF, I THINK YOU DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF, OF PROBABLY, LET'S JUST SAY BEING INCLUSIVE OF SOME CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN BEEN VOICED OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.
THANK, AND, AND, AND JUST IN CLOSING, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PUBLISHING THE RFP BY JUNE SO THAT WE CAN GET THIS OUT AND HAVE A GOOD, UH, GOOD SELECTION FOR YOU GUYS, SO.
SO, BEING THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL OUR POSTED, UH, WORK SESSION, I, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, UH, THIS MEETING, THIS WORK SESSION IS ADJOURNED.
WE'LL RECONVENE IN, IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES.