[ CITY OF BAYTOWN NOTICE OF MEETING BAYTOWN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN (CIP) COMMITTEE THURSDAY, APRIL 13, 2023 4:00 P.M. HULLUM CONFERENCE ROOM, BAYTOWN CITY HALL 2401 MARKET STREET, BAYTOWN, TEXAS 77520 AGENDA CALL TO ORDER AND ANNOUNCEMENT OF QUORUM ]
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THE MEETING OF THE, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, UH, COMMITTEE FOR APRIL 13TH AT 4:00 PM IS ACTUALLY STARTING TO GET 4 0 9, UH,
[a. Introduction of Committee Members and Staff present.]
INTRODUCTIONS TO STAFF AND MEMBERS.HIS NAMES GONNA INTRODUCE STAFF IF HE DOESN'T MIND.
JAKE CAN AS WELL, AND MYSELF, MIKE LESTER ARE PRESENT.
UH, FRANK SIMINO, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC COURT.
MAYOR ANA, INTERIM FINANCIAL ASSET MANAGER.
MICHAEL LEES, PUBLIC WORKS ASSISTANT DIRECTOR SCOTT LAMAN.
DAVID ISAAC, PAIN IN YOUR ASS.
OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD, MAKE HIM A NAME TAG NOW.
JUST THE DAVID I WAS AND THAT TITLE.
[a. Review recommendations presented to the Committee at their March 23, 2023, meeting and discuss the FY23 budget amendment.]
I GUESS TWO A HAVE REVIEW THE RECOMMENDATIONS PRESENTED TO THE COMMITTEE ON THE MARCH 23RD MEETING AND DISCUSS THE FY 23 BUDGET AMENDMENTS PROCESSES.UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, LAST TIME WE WENT THROUGH SOME PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO BOTH, UH, FY 23 AND THE, UH, THE CASCADING EFFECTS THAT WILL GO INTO FY 24.
AND, UH, THE COMMITTEE, UH, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR, OUR UNDERSTANDING WAS AGREED WITH THE PROPOSED, UM, CHANGES TO FFY 23 WITH ONE, UH, CHANGE.
WE WANTED TO, UH, OUR COMMITTEE WANTED TO, UH, MAINTAIN THE, UH, THE FIRE BOATHOUSE PROJECT.
SO, UM, I HAD SENT OUT A SUMMARY OF KIND OF THE CHANGES TO THE COMMITTEE.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE OR SEE IF THERE WERE ANY QUESTIONS ON WHAT I SENT OUT.
SEE IF, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT.
AND THEN WE HIGHLIGHTED THE CHANGE.
SO, UH, I CAN KIND OF BRIEFLY GO OVER THIS AGAIN.
UH, WHAT WE HAD WAS KIND OF THREE CATEGORIES OF, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGES TO, UH, THE CURRENT PLAN.
UH, THE FIRST CATEGORY WAS PROJECTS THAT SHOULD BE, UH, DELETED THAT WERE NOT, UH, NEEDED ANYMORE.
UM, AND THOSE ACTUALLY ON THE LEFT SIDE, UH, WE ALSO HAD DELAYED PROJECTS.
SO THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE BEING ABLE TO FUND CONSTRUCTION FOR.
SO WE DIDN'T WANNA START DESIGN IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.
UH, AND, AND WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FIREBOAT HOUSE, UH, I WOULD SAY ALL THOSE ADD TO ABOUT ONE AND A HALF MILLION IN FY 23 FUNDS, BUT, YOU KNOW, 11 OVER 11 MILLION IN FY 24 FUNDS THAT WOULD BE DELAYED.
SO THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF FY 24.
SO THEY COULD BE STARTED, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY DESIGNED IN 24 OR DESIGNED IN 25 IN THE CONSTRUCTION.
UH, THEN THE LAST, UH, CATEGORY PROJECTS WAS, UH, ONES THAT I CALLED CHANGE SCOPE.
AND THEY WERE PRIMARILY, UH, RENOVATION PROJECTS WHERE I SAID, UM, I DIDN'T ANTICIPATE DOING THE FULL RENOVATION THAT WE ORIGINALLY PLANNED, BUT, UH, DOING SOMETHING WITH OUR OPERATING BUDGET, USING FACILITY MAINTENANCE, UH, TO DO THINGS THAT WERE IMMEDIATELY REQUIRED.
AND THEN, UH, IF THERE WERE ANY A DA ISSUES, I HAD A, A SEPARATE PROJECT FOR A DA THAT I COULD USE THOSE FUNDS TO ADDRESS THAT.
SO, UM, THEN THE, THE ONE OUTLIER THERE FOR THAT WAS THE, UH, POLICE, UH, MUNITION CENTER WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WE HAD PROBLEMS LOCATING IT AT THE PROPOSED SITE.
THERE WAS, UH, GEOTECHNICAL ISSUES SO WE COULD NOT BE LOCATED AT
AND SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR AN ALTERNATE SITE.
AND, AND SO THAT'S WHAT THAT, UH, WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING FOR THAT ONE IS TRYING TO FIND AN ALTERNATE SITE AND, YOU KNOW, UH, SEEING WHAT WE NEED FOR WHETHER WE NEED TO BUY LAND OR, YOU KNOW, UH, IF WE START DESIGN.
AND SO THE, THE HIGHLIGHTED ITEMS THERE, I HIGHLIGHTED TWO PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, 700,000 AND 150,000 IN FY 23.
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BECAUSE I WAS BASICALLY, UM, NOT UH, COUNTING ON MOVING THOSE FUNDS OUT OF FY 23, BUT I WAS HOLDING THEM TO SEE WHAT WE NEED FOR THE MUNITION BUILDING IF WE NEED TO PURCHASE SOME LAND THAT GIVES ME $850,000 TO, TO START THAT PROJECT.UM, LIKE I SAY, ONCE IT'S UM, YOU KNOW, FINALLY SCOPED OUT AND LOCATION GETS DETERMINED.
UM, SO GIVEN ALL THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE RIGHT SIDE THERE WHERE IT SAYS AFTER ADDING FIRE BOATHOUSE, UM, SO THE NET EFFECT FOR FY 23 IS ABOUT, UH, 2.7 MILLION IN SAVINGS AND THIS YEAR AND THEN, UH, ALMOST UH, OR OVER 19 MILLION FOR FY 24.
AND THAT HELPS US GET DOWN TO SOME OF THE FUNDING LEVELS THAT DISCUSSED, I THINK ON THE FINANCE COMMITTEE AND THAT MESHES WITH OUR FINANCIAL PROJECTIONS GOING FORWARD.
SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, LIKE I SAY, YOU ALL UNDERSTOOD THIS AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS PROPOSAL.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION THAT'S RELATED TO THIS AND SO I'M CURIOUS AS, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF OUR CONVERSATION AT THE RETREAT, ARE THERE ANY CIP PROJECTS FROM THE PAST THAT ARE STILL IN THE WORKS THAT COULD EVEN PUSH SOME OF THESE OUT FURTHER WITH ADDITIONAL CHANGE ORDERS? OR HAVE WE ALREADY COMPLETED ALL PREVIOUS CIP PROJECTS? WELL, WE HAVE NOT.
IT'S, IT'S A CONSTANT PROCESS.
THERE'S ALWAYS PROJECTS IN THE PROCESS OF SOME, SOME STAGES.
UM, AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, RIGHT? ARE YOU SAYING SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE BASED, CAN POSSIBLY GO OVER AND CAUSE US TO HAVE TO GO, RIGHT.
UM, AND I'VE TRIED TO PREPARE FOR SOME CONTINUENCY AND REALLY SOME OF THIS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THIS FY 23 SAVINGS THAT ALSO HELPS US WITH THAT.
SO I, I DON'T HAVE INFORMATION ON ANY PARTICULAR PROJECT THAT I KNOW IS GOING OVER BUDGET RIGHT NOW OTHER THAN THINGS WE'VE ACCOUNTED FOR.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, MARKET STREET IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.
UH, IT, IF IT GOES TO BID THIS YEAR, I ANTICIPATE IT BEING PRETTY HIGH, HIGHER THAN THE ORIGINAL TESTIMONY, SO RIGHT.
I'VE TRIED TO PUT SOME FUNDING ASIDE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT.
UM, BUT I DUNNO UNTIL ACTUALLY BID FRANK, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON A SPOT, BUT THE OAKS HARBOR DID GO OVER BUDGET.
AND WE MADE, WE ENCOUNTERED FOR RIGHT.
THAT, THAT WAS THE ONE AND I THINK WE TALKED TO COUNCIL ABOUT IT.
THAT WAS ONE WHERE WE USED THE FUNDING THAT WAS PLANNED FOR, UH, THE NORTH MAIN PAYMENT PRESERVATION PROJECT WHERE WE TOOK THAT FUNDING.
'CAUSE THAT PROJECT WAS NOT READY TO GO FOR THE GRINDING PARK THIS YEAR.
SO WE USED THAT FOR BAY OAK HARBOR AND THEN WE'RE PLANNING ON PUTTING THE FUNDING BACK TO NORTH MAIN F BY 20.
SO THAT, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF SOME THINGS THAT'VE DONE SO FAR.
UM, I'M CURIOUS WITH RUSSELL PARK, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DELAYING THAT INTO 24.
REMIND ME WHAT WE'RE DOING TO THE DRAINAGE AND IS IT REALLY THAT MUCH OF AN IMPACT? 'CAUSE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT RUSSELL PARK, WE TALKED ABOUT THE UM, I GUESS THE CONCEPT OF SHOVEL READY.
IS IT SHOVEL READY? AND, UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING TO DO THE ENTIRE PARK AS WE INITIALLY IMAGINED, WE WERE TRYING TO GO AFTER, UM, FUNDING THROUGH GRANTS AND UM, UH, HARRIS COUNTY AND SO HAVE WE GOTTEN ANYTHING AND TO, WE DON'T HAVE GRANTS.
I'LL LET FRANK SPEAK TO THE DESIGN OR ANYTHING WITH ROSA.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE ANY OF THAT STANDS, BUT OKAY.
I MEAN, I'M SUPER EXCITED TO GET IT GOING, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT'S SHOVEL READY IN TERMS OF FUNDING.
UH, SO THAT ONE, THERE, THERE ARE NO GRANTS AND YOU KNOW, I, I'M GETTING A LOT OF CONFLICTING INFORMATION ABOUT THE PLAN AND CHEVRON'S RIGHT USE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND SO THAT IS REALLY THE DRIVER IN DELAYING THAT IS TO GET MORE CLARITY ON, YOU KNOW, WHO THE INTERESTED PARTIES, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
UM, OKAY, SO THAT, THAT WAS, SO THIS EXTRA YEAR AT LEAST GIVES US TIME AND IF WE DON'T END UP USING THAT 700,000, THEN IT JUST GETS PUSHED TO ANOTHER YEAR OR REALLOCATED, SAME AS ANY OF THE OTHER PROJECTS.
700,000 WAS PUSHED BACK TO 24,
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IT'S COMING UP AND I MEAN IT WOULD BE THE SAME FOR THE OTHER CEDAR BAYOU AND 24TH THIS OCTOBER.UM, SO I DID WANT TO TELL YOU WE WOULD LIKE TO UH, KIND OF MEMORIALIZE THESE CHANGES BECAUSE THEY'RE SO, UH, MANY CHANGES AND FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT.
WE WOULD LIKE TO DO WHAT WE CALL A BUDGET DEMAND.
AND SO ACTUALLY GO TO COUNCIL AND AMEND THE CURRENT FY 23 BUDGET WITH THESE CHANGES AND ALONG WITH OTHER CHANGES THAT WE MADE SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, THE PRESERVATION SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR ABOUT WHERE WE'RE STARTING.
YOU KNOW, DO YOU ABOUT THAT IT'LL BE COMING TO COUNCIL
A LOT EASIER NEXT YEAR OR IN AUGUST.
SO, UM, SO THE DESIGN CAN START FAIRLY SOON.
IT IT'S NOT GONNA BE READY TO BID BY BEFORE OCTOBER, IT'LL, YEAH, IT'LL GO INTO FOR CONSTRUCTION, BUT IF I HAD STARTED, YOU KNOW, EARLY IN THE FISCAL YEAR, I COULD, UH, AT THIS POINT IT'S GONNA GO AT LEAST IT'S GETTING STARTED.
I DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
THE QUESTION I HAD WAS ON THE SOUTH COMMAND FIRE BUILDING.
WHAT WAS THE MS THE RENOVATION? YES.
THESE ARE ALL PART OF AS FACILITY MASTER PLAN, I TRIED TO GROUP A LOT OF THE PROJECTS TOGETHER AND LIKE I SAY IT, IT ENDED UP BEING FAIRLY EXPENSIVE.
SO, UM, I'M GONNA JUST GO ON TO FACILITY, DO THE THINGS THAT CALL NECESSARY AND THEN WE, WE CAN ASSESS AFTER THAT FUTURE.
THEY, THEY DON'T UTILIZE THAT AS A ACTUAL FUNCTIONING STATION.
DID IT? IT IS USED, IT IS ACTIVE.
I KNOW THEY, I KNOW THEY UTILIZE 'EM, BUT IT'S NOT A
EMS IS, I THINK EMS RESPONDS OUT THERE.
IT'S JUST M YEAH, JUST EMS. OKAY.
EMS, THAT'S THAT SITE USED TO SERVE SERVICE BOTH STATION TWO AND STATION FOUR M OKAY.
SO THEY'RE STILL DOING MATTER IF THEY PUT A BUS AT STATION FOUR, STATION TWO? YEAH, I, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU.
I'LL, I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH Y'ALL.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE I CAN SEE NEEDS SOME TC THAT WAS BUILT A FEW YEARS AGO.
I WAS CURIOUS WHAT THEY WERE GONNA DO.
ALRIGHT, I, I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD SHIFTING SOME THINGS AROUND, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO THIS A LITTLE.
OKAY, SO I'M THE BUDGET AMENDMENT TUESDAY ON THE 16TH.
[b. Discuss the FY24-28 Capital Improvement Plan (CIP) Process.]
ITEM TWO P IS REALLY TO DISCUSS THE PROCESS THERE.TALKED ABOUT SCHEDULE, UM, JUST KIND OF THE PROCESS IN GENERAL.
UM, SO THE CIP COMMITTEE WAS FORMED TO HELP US EVALUATE PROJECTS AND PRIOR,
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UM, WE HAVE A DRAFT THAT WE'D LIKE TO GET TO YOU FAIRLY SOON IN THE PROCESS IS A LARGE DOCUMENT.UM, AND WE CAN KIND OF GO OVER THAT IN THESE MEETINGS, BUT IT'S GONNA REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, SOME HOMEWORK GOING THROUGH THAT.
CURRENTLY IT'S LIKE 168 PAGE DOCUMENT.
SO, UH, I WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME TIME TO GO THROUGH IT AND GIVE US GOOD FEEDBACK.
SO, UM, IDEALLY I WOULD GET THAT TO YOU NEXT, UH, COUNCILMAN BE LIKE THE 27TH AND YOU KNOW, GIVE YOU SOME TIME TO CONSIDER IT.
UM, KIND OF IN THE MEANTIME WE WOULD GO TO FINANCE COMMITTEE AND UH, RECONFIRMED THOSE FUNDING LIMITS FOR EACH OF THE FUNDS.
'CAUSE THAT INFLUENCES HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS WE
UM, AND THEN BRING THOSE, YOU KNOW, YOUR COMMENTS BACK WITH THE FINANCE COMMITTEES, UH, FUNDING LIMITS AND DEVELOP, YOU KNOW, A DRAFT THAT THIS COMMITTEE IS PREPARED TO RECOMMEND COUNCIL.
AND, UH, UH, THERESA TALKED ABOUT KIND OF THE DATES THAT WE REPORT.
SO FOR THE DRAFT CIP, UM, HE'S GONNA PRESENT THE CFP TO THE CFP COMMITTEE ON APRIL 27TH.
AND THEN ON MAY 16TH, UM, WE WILL PRESENT THE FUNDING SOURCES FOR THE PROJECTS TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE.
UM, JUNE 22ND WILL BE THE CIP COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.
AND THEN ON JULY 13TH WE WILL PRESENT THE DRAFT CFP SCHEDULE.
SO REALLY BETWEEN LIKE APRIL 27TH AND JUNE 22ND IS YOUR TIME TO WORK AND WORK WITH STAFF TO GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR US TO MAKE PROVISIONS, GET IT BACK TO YOU TO GO THROUGH THE SAUSAGE.
WHO'S A GOOD CONTACT FOR US TO, AS IT WOULD INDEPENDENTLY GO THROUGH THAT DOCUMENT? I KNOW WE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TIE YOU.
UM, SO IF IT'S I GUESS JAY OR YOU CAN SAY NO, WE WOULD RATHER, THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
UM, WOULD YOU WANT US TO KIND OF BOUNCE? SO GIOVANNA IS THE ONE PUTTING, DOING THE NUTS AND BOLTS.
PUTTING ALL PROJECTS TOGETHER, PUT THE DOCUMENT TOGETHER.
FINANCE IS GONNA BE WORKING TO PUTTING, PUT THAT DOCUMENT INTO OUR NEW SOFTWARE.
SO IT'S GONNA BE BETWEEN THEM TWO.
I I, I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL BE HELPFUL.
LIKE REALLY, I, I LIKE, I'M NOT SAYING THAT TO TRY TO KEEP YOU AWAY, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL BE HELPFUL BECAUSE THERE WILL BE SO MANY MOVING PARTS ON, UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE MIKE AND OR MICHAEL AND AND FRANK ARE GATEKEEPERS OF LIKE PROJECTS SO TO SPEAK.
LIKE HEY, WE'RE CONTROLLING THE PROJECT FLOW, BUT YOU MAY HAVE TO GO TO LIKE CLIFF TO TALK ABOUT ONE OF THE PROJECTS OR KENNY FOR ACTUALLY WHAT THE OTHER PROJECT IS OR, OR THEN GO TO THERESA TO TALK ABOUT FINANCE.
AND SO IT MAY BE HELPFUL TO LIKE WE REALLY DEDICATE DIFFERENT TIMES HERE FOR LAR LARGER DISCUSSIONS OR FRANK OR BRAND TO, AGAIN, I DON'T MIND CALLING FRANK SAYING, HEY YOU KNOW I'M GOING THROUGH THIS.
SEVERAL HUNDRED PAGE DOCUMENT AND I GOT A QUESTION ON THIS ONE.
FRANK IS SAY, WELL WE CALL CLIFF ON THAT, RIGHT? I'M JUST, JUST WANNA GIVE YOU A, A GOOD ANSWER 'CAUSE IT, HE WAS LIKE, UH, YEAH AND SCOTT ALWAYS PUTS IT A GOOD LAWYER ANSWER IS MAYBE
OH YEAH, YOU'LL DEFEND ME ALL THE WAY.
YEAH, I GOT, OKAY, WHAT WAS THE, THE MAY DATE TIMELINE FOR WHAT? THE 16TH THAT IS THE FUND SOURCE IS ABOUT TO THE FINEST COMPANY.
[a. Discuss future Baytown Capital Improvement Plan (CIP) meetings, along with any related tasks and processes.]
NEXT MEETING.DO YOU THINK WE'LL BE READY BUT FOR US TO HAVE ANOTHER SHORT ONE OF THESE? I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE SCHEDULED AN HOUR IN ADVANCE.
SO NEXT MEETING IS APRIL 27TH.
SEVENTH AND DRAFT GRAPH AT LEAST TRANSMITTED.
I CAN GO THROUGH HOWEVER MUCH YOU WANNA, ARE Y'ALL WANTING TO FOCUS ON GENERAL FUND ONLY, WHICH IS GONNA BE PART OF THE BUDGET OR ARE YOU WANTING TO LOOK AT MDD AWA? LIKE WHAT SCOPE, WHAT'S
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THE LIMITED SCOPE THAT Y'ALL WANT TO LOOK AT? IN THE PAST WE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING.SO I'M OKAY WITH LOOKING AT EVERYTHING.
AND THEN JUST KNOWING THAT I CAN REACH OUT TO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
DRAFT WE HAVE HAS IT, IT'S JUST, JUST LIKE MDD SHIFTED SOME FUNDING IN OUR LAST MEETING AND THAT IMPACTS STUFF AS WELL.
YEAH, WE WANT TO, WE JUST WANNA MAKE IT WHATEVER Y'ALL NEED AVAILABLE TO HELP MAKE DECISIONS.
WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW THE SCOPE OF HOW MUCH Y'ALL WANTED TO LOOK AT.
THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO IT OUT BECAUSE ONE IMPACTS THE OTHER.
SO SEE THAT AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHY SARAH TRYING TO DO THESE BEFORE THE REGULAR SCHEDULED COUNCIL MEETINGS GONNA HAPPEN.
SO AS WE, AS WE DO MOVE FORWARD, I I THINK, UM, LIKE, LIKE CLIFF IS HERE AND OTHER DIRECTORS WILL START SHOWING UP AS WE START TALKING TO PROJECTS, PLEASE EXPECT THE DIRECTORS TO BE HERE 'CAUSE THEY PROBABLY WOULD DO WANT TO TALK TO Y'ALL TO LIKE, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE PLANNING ON DOING.
IS THAT FAIR ANSWER QUESTIONS? RIGHT? YEAH.
SO, UM, IF Y'ALL DO HAVE A DATE THAT Y'ALL SET THAT Y'ALL ARE REALLY LOOKING AT ASKING QUESTIONS, PLEASE GIVE US A HEADS UP SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE DIRECTORS ARE HERE TO, TO REALLY ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT MAY BE ON OTHER PROJECTS.
I DON'T THINK THAT AFTER MAY 27TH, THE NEXT ONE TIME WE MEET
BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE A COUPLE WEEKS TO LOOK AT IT.
WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
I WILL EMAIL YOU JASON, ANY QUESTIONS I MAY HAVE BEFOREHAND THAT'D BE GREAT.
SO THEY KNOW WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
COVERED ALL THE ITEMS. IF THERE'S NO, UH, BRAD ASKED ME TO THIS, TO THIS THE LAST TIME TERMS OF FUNCTION AND WITHOUT SARAH HERE.
DID WE MAKE ANY SPECIFIC COMMENTS AS FAR AS THE, THOSE ORDERS THAT BOTH MUCH MORE, MUCH LESS STRINGENT COMMITTEE AS AN AD HOC COMMITTEE WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO FORMAL COMMITTEES? MAYBE SO, BUT WE'RE THE AD HOC COMMITTEE SO BETTER.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE ALL DISCUSSED.
WE'LL WAIT FOR SARAH TO BE HERE TO CONFIRM IT.
WE'LL FREE SOME NOTE, BUT THAT'S THE WAY WE WANT.
SO THERE WERE SOME OTHER ITEMS ON, ON THE DOCUMENT THAT WE GOT.
UM, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT WE SAID NEEDED.
SHE, SHE JOTTED IT DOWN FOR US.
I THINK THAT WAS AN ATTEMPT TO MEET COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION.
THEN ON THE DI AS FAR AS OUR FORMAL COMMITTEES, WE WENT TO HEAR AT LEAST MEETING REQUIREMENTS EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THEM MAY OR MAY NOT BE REQUIRED TO.
BUT AS AN AD HOC, THAT PRETTY MUCH FEEDS THE PURPOSE OF AN AD HOC BUT BE SUCH A FORM.
THAT'S WHY YOU CREATE THE AD HOCS, YOU DON'T HAVE A QUORUM OF THE COUNCIL.
SO, AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THERE'S NO DECISIONS MADE, IT ALL MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE, FOR THE COUNCIL AT A LATER DATE.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHY YOU HAVE THE, THESE ARE REALLY, REALLY WORK GROUPS VERSUS DECISION GROUPS.
SO LITTLE LESS FORMAL MAKES IT A LITTLE EASIER FOR FRANK AND STAFF TO PRESENT THIS INFORMATION AND STUFF.
SO IT'LL BE BENEFICIAL TO US TO GET BETTER INFORMATION.