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THIS IS THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION.
UH, WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE, UM, WITH THE MINUTES
[a. Consider approving minutes for the Civil Service Commission meeting held on February 24, 2022.]
FROM FROM LAST MEETING.WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM, UH, FEBRUARY 24TH.
UM, JUST, YEAH, WE JUST NEED TO INCLUDE IN THE MOTION THE CORRECTION OF THE SPELLING OF HER, HER NAME.
I, I HAVEN'T HEARD THE CORRECTION YET.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY ISSUE ON IT YET, SO I'M JUST APPROVING 'EM THE WAY THEY ARE.
IF YOU'LL SECOND IT, THEN WE CAN ADJUST THAT.
WE CAN SECOND TO SECOND THE MOTION.
YOU SECONDING THE MOTION? YEAH, WE CAN SECOND IT.
ALL IN FAVOR? WELL, UNLESS IF THERE'S A CORRECTION, LET'S DO A CORRECTION.
IS THERE, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MEETING? ON THE, ON THE MINUTES? THERE'S JUST ONE SMALL CORRECTION.
IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY TYPOGRAPHICAL.
UM, THE, MY FIRST NAME IS A-U-B-R-Y AND THROUGHOUT THE MINUTES, IT'S SPELLED TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.
THE MINUTES HAVE BEEN AMENDED.
MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS AMENDED.
I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS AMENDED.
ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES AS AMENDED.
OPPOSED? THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS AMENDED.
UM, GET ONTO THE BUSINESS ITEMS,
[a. Conduct hearing and consider appeal of Question Number 22 from the Police Lieutenant promotional examination, which was administered on November 4, 2022.]
WE'LL CONDUCT, UH, HEARINGS AND CONSIDER THE APPEALS OF SEVERAL QUESTIONS FROM THE EXAM.NOW I'LL START OFF WITH READING, UM, THE RULES FOR THE HEARING FOR EACH APPEALED QUESTION ON THE AGENDA TODAY, THE APPELLANT WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT REASONS FOR HIS OR HER APPEAL.
THE APPELLANT MAY DESIGNATE SOMEONE ELSE TO PRESENT COMMENTS PURSUANT TO THE CITY OF BAYTOWN CIVIL SERVICE RULES, EACH APPELLANT WILL BE AFFORDED FOUR MINUTES TO SPEAK ON HIS OR HER APPEALED QUESTION.
IN THE CASE OF MULTIPLE APPELLANTS, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM GIVING REDUNDANT TESTIMONY.
AFTER THE APPELLANT HAS SPOKEN ON EACH QUESTION, THE COMMISSION MAY ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPELLANT, THE CIVIL SERVICE DIRECTOR, AND ANY OTHER NECESSARY PARTY, SUCH AS THE POLICE CHIEF OR A REPRESENTATIVE, THE CITY ATTORNEY, OR A REPRESENTATIVE.
THEREAFTER, OTHERS WILL BE AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE QUESTION, OFFERING DIFFERENT OPINIONS IF THEY SO DESIRE.
HOWEVER, THEY MUST HAVE SIGNED UP ON THE LIST BY THE DOOR, WHICH WILL BE PROVIDED, UM, WHICH WILL PROVIDE THE SPEAKING ORDER.
EACH SPEAKER WILL GIVE HIS OR HER NAME IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A PROPER RECORD OF THE HEARING.
UM, AND SHALL BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES.
HOWEVER, AGAIN, I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO BE AS BRIEF AND TO THE POINT AS POSSIBLE.
IN ADDITION, ONCE, UM, THE APPELLANT OR ANYONE WHO HAS SIGNED UP COMES TO SPEAK, AFTER THE COMMISSION HAS FINISHED QUESTIONS, THEN YOU WILL BE ABLE TO RETURN TO YOUR SEAT.
IF THE COMMISSION CALLS YOU BACK TO THE PODIUM, MAY YOU MAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS.
THERE WILL BE NO COMMENTS FROM, UM, THE CHAIRS IN THE AUDIENCE OR, UM, UNANNOUNCED BEFORE THE COMMISSION CALLS YOU BACK TO THE PODIUM.
THE FOLLOWING FACTORS WILL NOT SUPPORT AN APPEAL, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO EVIDENCE THAT OTHER REFERENCE MATERIALS OR SOURCES SUPPORT AN ANSWER, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THE APPROVED ANSWER TO THE EVIDENCE THAT THERE EXISTS.
ANOTHER ANSWER WHICH IS ACCURATE IN CERTAIN LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT WHICH IS NOT ACCURATE GENERALLY.
OR NUMBER THREE, EVIDENCE THAT THE REFERENCE PAGE IS INCORRECTLY STATED, A PAGE NUMBER IS GIVEN ONLY TO ASSIST IN LOCATING THE BASIS OF THE APPROVED ANSWER.
THE COMMISSION WILL DECIDE ON ONE OF THE FOLLOWING ALTERNATIVES FOR EACH APPEALED QUESTION.
A, KEEP THE SAME ANSWER AS THE ORIGINAL KEY.
CHANGE THE CORRECT ANSWER, ALLOW MORE THAN ONE CORRECT ANSWER OR DELETE THE QUESTION.
SO I NOW CALL TO ORDER THIS APPEAL HEARING FOR THE POLICE LIEUTENANT AND POLICE SERGEANT PROMOTIONAL EXAMINATION, WHICH WAS ADMINISTERED ON NOVEMBER 24TH.
WE'LL NOW PROCEED WITH OUR FIRST APPEAL OF THE POLICE LIEUTENANT PROMOTIONAL EXAMINATION.
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UM, SERGEANT BRIAN GRIFFIN.DO YOU PURSUE, DO YOU DESIRE TO PURSUE YOUR APPEAL? UH, COMMISSION.
WE RECEIVED A NOTICE FROM BRIAN GRIFFIN STATING THAT HE WANTED TO RETRACT HIS APPEAL.
SO HE IS, UM, NUMBER, NUMBER ITEM NUMBER ONE.
A IS, UM, HAS BEEN, UH, RE MOTION 22.
NO, HE HAS WITHDRAWN THE APPEAL.
[b. Conduct hearing and consider appeal of Question Number 25 from the Police Lieutenant promotional examination, which was administered on November 4, 2022.]
B, SERGEANT DALLAS.BISHOP, DO YOU DESIRE TO PURSUE YOUR APPEAL? YES, SIR.
UM, YOU CAN, YOU MAY NOW PRESENT YOUR REASONS FOR YOUR APPEAL.
THIS IS A QUESTION YOU CAN COME UP HERE.
I'M SORRY, I'VE GOT IT HERE ON MY PHONE.
SO I'M TRYING TO, TRYING TO READ IT, YOU KNOW, IN THIS SMALL PRINT.
UH, QUESTION 25 WAS IN RELATION TO A WARRANT OF ARREST.
I FEEL LIKE THE WAY THE QUESTION IS WORDED, THE DEFINITION OF A BLANK IS A WRITTEN ORDER FROM A MAGISTRATE DIRECTING A POLICE PEACE OFFICER, SUCH PERSON SPECIFICALLY NAMED COMMANDING HIM TO TAKE THE BODY OF A PERSON ACCUSED OF AN OFFENSE TO BE DEALT WITH ACCORDING TO LAW.
I FEEL LIKE IT'S VERY CLOSE TO A WRIT OF HEAVIEST CORPUS, AND THAT A JUDGE OR A COMPETENT PERSON IN A JURISDICTION DIRECTS A POLICE OFFICER TO BRING A PERSON AND PRODUCE THE BODY IN THE COURT OF LAW OR OTHER AREA NAMED IN THAT WRIT.
I, I THINK THAT'S A DIFFERENT MM-HMM.
I THINK THAT'S A DIFFERENT, NO, 25.
I JUST, I FEEL IF THE QUESTION WAS MORE SPECIFICALLY WORDED IN REGARDS TO AN ARREST, THAT THE ANSWER WOULD BE MORE OBVIOUS, BUT THOSE TWO ARE SO CLOSELY RELATED TO EACH OTHER.
I FEEL THAT, UH, BOTH ANSWERS SHOULD BE ACCEPTED.
I, I'VE GOT A COMMENT, UH, LOOKING AT THE, UH, TEST MATERIAL, UH, WHICH PRETTY MUCH STATES THE QUESTION VERBATIM WITH THE ANSWER, UH, ANSWER C THE WARRANT FOR ARREST.
BUT I DO AGREE THAT THE HABEAS CORPUS IS CLOSE TO THAT.
BUT, UM, THE QUESTION AND THE ANSWER PRETTY MUCH VERBATIM FROM THE BOOK.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE, UM, YEAH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, TO, UH, COMMISSION.
LET ME JUST STATE FOR THE RECORD, NO ONE'S SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE APPEAL.
WE HAVE SECOND, UH, I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.
ALL IN FAVOR TO DENY THE APPEAL.
MOTION TO DENY, TO DENY HIS PAST.
[c. Conduct hearing and consider appeal of Question Number 58 from the Police Lieutenant promotional examination, which was administered on November 4, 2022.]
TWO, TWO C, SERGEANT, UH, DALLAS BI.DO YOU DESIRE TO PURSUE YOUR APPEAL? QUESTION 58.
SO ON QUESTION 58, IT REALLY JUST COMES DOWN TO WHAT'S COMMON IN THIS AREA.
UH, I KNOW THAT IT WAS FROM THE BOOK, UH, INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION OR OFFICE OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY, COMMONLY CALLED AN INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION.
IT'S ALSO CALLED IN THIS AREA, UM, OFFICE OF PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS.
I'VE NEVER, OTHER THAN THE BOOK, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING CALLED OFFICE OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY, EVEN THOUGH IT IS IN THE BOOK, I WAS GOING OFF OF WHAT'S COMMON IN THE AREA AND COMMON IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.
UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, FOR ITEM TWO C, QUESTION 58.
IN, IN REALIZING THIS, UM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, I UNDERSTAND YOUR VIEWPOINT.
UNFORTUNATELY, THESE TESTS ARE VERY SPECIFIC AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IT'S, IT REALLY IS MATERIAL DIRECTLY OUT OF THE SOURCE MATERIAL AND NOT WHAT IS COMMON IN OUR PARTICULAR AREA.
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YEAH.SO, UM, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY PASSED.
ALL IN FAVOR? DENYING THE, THE APPEAL.
UH, COMMISSION, LET ME JUST MAKE ONE STATEMENT FOR THE RECORD.
THERE HAS BEEN NO ONE SIGNED UP FOR ANY OF THE QUESTIONS, UM, TO SPEAK.
SO IT WILL ONLY BE THE APPELLANTS.
SO IT'S, IT'S CLOSED, RIGHT? NO ONE IS THE CLOSED, THE SIGNUP LIST CLOSED.
EVEN FOR LATECOMERS, LATECOMERS, ANYBODY WALK THROUGH THE DOOR? IT'S THE BOARD'S DECISION.
IF YOU WANNA ALLOW A LATE COMER TO SIGN UP.
IF WE HAVEN'T REACHED THE ITEM YET, WE'LL CROSS THAT BRIEF.
[d. Conduct hearing and consider appeal of Question Number 72 from the Police Lieutenant promotional examination, which was administered on November 4, 2022.]
WE'LL, UH, CONSIDER THE APPEAL OF QUESTION NUMBER 72.BISHOP, DO YOU DESIRE TO PURSUE YOUR APPEAL?
YEAH, AND I THINK, UM, AS IN THE PREVIOUS QUESTION, UM, IT'S IN THE, IT'S IN THE SOURCE MATERIAL VERBATIM.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ANOTHER CASE WHERE, WHAT'S COMMON IN THE AREA, BUT, UH, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY MUCH, UH, VERBATIM, UH, THE QUESTION AND THE ANSWER IS ON THE TEST.
SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR, UM, ITEM 2D.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE APPEAL.
I HAVE SECOND, UH, I WILL SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR OF DENYING THE APPEAL.
SO THE MOTION IS, UM, THE APPEALS DENIED.
[e. Conduct hearing and consider appeal of Question Number 97 from the Police Lieutenant promotional examination, which was administered on November 4, 2022.]
CONSIDER, UH, WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER AN APPEAL OF THE QUESTION NUMBER 97.UH, THAT'S, UH, SERGEANT DALLAS DISH.
DO YOU DESIRE TO PURSUE YOUR APPEAL? YES, SIR.
YOU KNOW, I GOT NOTHING TO LOSE.
SO THIS, THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION THEY'RE ASKING ABOUT REMOVING OUTDATED AND INCORRECT INFORMATION.
THAT WOULD BE, UM, OBVIOUSLY PURGING IS GETTING RID, GETTING RID OF, UH, OLDER INFORMATION, SEALING THE INFORMATION DOES NOT GET RID OF IT.
IT'S JUST SEALED WHERE NOBODY HAS ACCESS TO IT.
OR YOU HAVE TO TAKE CERTAIN STEPS TO GET ACCESS TO THAT.
THAT'S WHY I WENT WITH PURGING ON THAT QUESTION.
YOU KNOW WHAT, UM, I STRUGGLED WITH THIS ONE WHEN I WAS REVIEWING THIS MATERIAL.
'CAUSE, UM, YOU'RE RIGHT, I WAS, UM, PERSIAN AS, AS, UM, THE QUESTION ASKED ABOUT REMOVING, THAT'S A KEY WORD IN MY OPINION, THE WORD WE REMOVAL.
YOU'RE RIGHT, IF SEAL SEAL DOESN'T REMOVE IT, IT'S STILL THERE.
PERSIAN ACTUALLY GETS RID OF IT, MAKES IT GO AWAY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
UM, SO, UM, I'M GOING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE, UH, ON THE APPEAL BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION.
UM, UH, SERGEANT, YOU'VE GOT GOOD POINTS ON ALL THESE QUESTIONS, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR ZEAL TO, UH, APPEAL.
UH, AND, AND AGAIN, THE SOURCE MATERIAL TALKS FOR TWO METHODS, AND PURGINGS ONE AND CEILINGS ANOTHER, EVEN THOUGH CEILING TECHNICALLY DOESN'T, DOESN'T PURGE IT.
UH, BUT JUST WHEN THE ANSWERS AND QUESTIONS ARE TAKEN RIGHT OUTTA THE BOOK, IT'S JUST HARD TO, HARD TO BEND THOSE AROUND.
BUT I, BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR POINTS AND YOUR POINTS ARE WELL TAKEN.
UM, BUT I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THIS APPEAL ALSO.
UM, YOU HAVE A SECOND? UH, I'M GONNA HAVE TO SECOND THAT.
ALL IN FAVOR OF DENYING THE APPEAL? AYE, AYE.
WE HAD, UH, TWO F, WHICH WERE 30.
YEAH, BUT TWO F IS ON THE SAME, ON THE SAME QUESTION, ISN'T IT? THERE WAS TWO, UH, THERE WAS TWO APPEALS ON THIS QUESTION.
SERGEANT KELLY AND OFFICER KELLY ALSO APPEALED THIS ONE.
YEAH, SERGEANT KELLY IS NOT HERE.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UM, TWO, TWO F
[f. Conduct hearing and consider appeal of Question Number 30 from the Police Sergeant promotional examination, which was administered on November 4, 2022.]
UM, SERGEANT BI, DO YOU DESIRE TO PURSUE YOUR APPEAL FOR ITEM TWO E OR WE SKIP ONE TWO F.TWO F? THIS IS, UH, CAMERON BIRCH.
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F.HELLO? UM, YEAH, UH, IT'S ESSENTIALLY, IT'S IN MY, IT'S IN MY APPEAL.
THE, UM, THE QUESTION IS ABOUT WHETHER, UM, A POLICE OFFICER HAS, UH, UH, A RIGHT TO ON VIEW FOR ANY ARREST IS, IS ANSWER B THE CORRECT ANSWER ON THE, ON THE QUESTION WAS, UH, D, WHICH WAS A AND B, UH, A IS CORRECT.
UH, B SAYS THAT A POLICE OFFICER HAS A, UH, A RIGHT TO ON VIEW FOR ANY ARREST, WHICH IS CLEARLY STATED IN THE CCP, BUT ANY OFFICER KNOWS THAT ACCORDING TO TRAFFIC CODE, THERE'S THREE OFFENSES THAT YOU CANNOT ARREST FOR, YOU HAVE TO ISSUE A SUMMONS FOR.
AND THAT'S STATED IN, UH, 5 41 OF THE TRAFFIC CODE, WHICH IS PART OF THE SOURCE MATERIAL.
AND, UH, THOSE THREE OFFENSES ARE SPEEDING, OPEN CONTAINER AND TEXTING.
AND SO, UH, THE REASON FOR MY APPEAL IS THAT, UM, B IS ACTUALLY THE ONLY CORRECT ANSWER.
THIS WAS THE QUESTION WHERE WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT, WE DIDN'T HAVE MATERIAL THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
IS THAT RIGHT? THE TRANSPORTATION CODE? YES.
TRANSPORTATION CODE THAT YOU'RE CITING, UH, TRANSPORTATION CODE.
I BELIEVE THE EXACT SECTION IS ON THE APPEAL.
UM, I CAN, UH, I HAVE IT ON MY IPAD.
NO, IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE MATERIAL THAT, THAT WE RECEIVED.
TRANSPORTATION CODE 5 5 4 3 0.004 IS WHAT, WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR APPEAL.
TRANSPORTATION CODE 5 5 4 3 0.004 IS WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE APPEAL.
AND APPARENTLY WE COULDN'T FIND THAT.
YEAH, BUT I THINK EVEN IF YOU DO, IT'S NOT, IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN SOURCE MATERIAL FOR THE TEST TRANSPORTATION CODE.
I DON'T THINK IT WAS INCLUDED IN SOURCE MATERIAL.
AND THIS, THIS, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE WHERE, UM, WHERE I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M STRUGGLING TO, UH, TO, UH, TO DEAL WITH IT.
UH, UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, I NOTICED ON THE BOTTOM OF THIS ONE FORM, IT DOES SAY CCP, SO IT MAY BE ACTUALLY FOUND 5, 5, 4, 3 MAY BE IN THE CCP INSTEAD OF TRANSPORTATION.
IT'S TRANSPORTATION CODE WHERE IT TOOK, OH, IT'S, IT'S IN THE TRANSPORTATION CODE WHERE IT DISCUSSES, UH, OFFENSES THAT YOU MUST, UH, ISSUE A SUMMONS FOR, WHICH MEANS YOU CAN'T ARREST FOR 'EM.
YOU HAVE TO ISSUE A CITATION AND RELEASE THEM UNLESS THEY REFUSE TO SIGN A CITATION.
AND, AND AGAIN, A POINT WELL TAKEN.
WE, UH, WE DON'T, WE CAN'T ARGUE WITHOUT YOU CORRECT ON THAT.
IT'S JUST THE QUESTION AND MATERIAL OR JUST VERBATIM ON THIS.
AND IT DOESN'T GIVE US A LOT OF LEEWAY ON THAT.
THIS, UH, THIS IS ANOTHER, ANOTHER WHERE I, I STRUGGLE WITH, UH, YEAH, WITH TRYING TO, UM, TRYING, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU GUYS HAVE, YOU GUYS HAVE, TRYING TO PASS A TEST.
IT'S ANOTHER THING TO SEE WHAT, WHAT REALLY HAPPENS IN THE REAL WORLD.
IN THE STREET, THE ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE.
AND I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE IN YOUR SHOES.
I WOULDN'T WANT BE BE BEHIND YOUR BADGE.
SO, UM, HAVING SAID THAT, LIKE, UM, COMMISSIONER GERALD JUST STATED, UM, WE'RE KIND OF, WE'RE KIND OF OBLIGATED TO GO BY THE, WHAT YOU WERE GIVEN THE SOURCE MATERIAL, BUT YOU MAKE AN NATURALLY GOOD POINT.
AND, AND THIS, THIS NEEDS SOME KIND OF RESOLUTION SOMEWHERE ELSE DOWN THE LINE.
SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR, WITH THAT, I HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THIS APPEAL.
I WILL UNFORTUNATELY SECOND THAT MOTION.
UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF DENYING THE APPEAL.
SO YOUR DE IS, YOUR DENY IS APPEAL IS, UH, YOUR APPEAL IS DENIED.
[g. Conduct hearing and consider appeal of Question Number 65 from the Police Sergeant promotional examination, which was administered on November 4, 2022.]
UM, I'M GONNA CONSIDER THE APPEAL OF QUESTION NUMBER 65 FROM, UM, OFFICER, UH, ROMAN B ROAMING B, DO YOU WISH TO PURSUE YOUR APPEAL? HE'S NOT HERE.A SECONDLY, AND THERE IS A SECOND ONE, OFFICER
SO THIS ONE, THIS QUESTION, WE STILL HAVE TO ACT ON THIS EVEN THOUGH HE'S NOT HERE.
AND THERE'S A SECOND APPELLANT, AND I DON'T BELIEVE OFFICER TODD IS HERE EITHER, UNLESS HE'S BEHIND THE SCREEN BLOCK MY VIEW.
SO HE'S, OKAY, SO, SO THE SECOND ONE THAT APPEALED THE SAME QUESTION.
OFFICER TODD, DO YOU DESIRE TO PURSUE YOUR APPEAL? NO, NOT HERE.
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CONSIDER AND MAKE A DECISION ON THE APPEAL.YOU WILL MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THE INFORMATION YOU HAVE.
SO WE HAVE TO ACT ON IT, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
ACT ON IT, ON, UM, THIS IS ANOTHER QUESTION THAT WE'VE TAKEN RIGHT FROM THE SOURCE MATERIALS.
SO, UM, THE, UH, THE EXAM WRITER IS MAKING A NOTE HERE THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WHERE THERE, THERE IS SOME GRAY AREA.
AND, UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPEAL AND REMOVE THE QUESTION FROM THE EXAM.
HAVE A SECOND TO REMOVE THE QUESTION FROM THE EXAM.
REMOVE THE QUESTION FROM THE EXAM.
ALL IN FAVOR OF REMOVING THE QUESTION FROM THE EXAM.
THE MOTION TO REMOVE THE QUESTION IS PASSED.
[h. Conduct hearing and consider appeal of Question Number 84 from the Police Sergeant promotional examination, which was administered on November 4, 2022.]
OKAY.NEXT ITEM, ITEM TWO H, TWO H, UH, OFFICER KEVIN DUNLAP, DO YOU DESIRE TO PURSUE YOUR APPEAL? HE IS NOT HERE.
SO WE STILL NEED TO ACT ON IT.
AND THIS IS A SOURCE MATERIAL? YEAH, THIS IS A BUNCH OF, UM, BY LOOKING AT THE MATERIAL, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT'S TAKEN RIGHT OUT OF THE MM-HMM
DIRECTLY OUT OF THE, OUTTA THE VOTE, FIFTH AND 14TH AMENDMENTS.
SO I'LL, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE APPEAL.
I'LL SECOND, I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.
ALL IN FAVOR OF DENYING THE APPEAL.
[i. Conduct hearing and consider appeal of Question Number 91 from the Police Sergeant promotional examination, which was administered on November 4, 2022.]
ITEM TWO, I, UH, QUE, UH, FROM QUESTION NUMBER 91.OFFICER CAMERON BIRCH, DO YOU DESIRE TO PURSUE YOUR APPEAL? UH, YES I DO.
SO, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL SEE WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IS, UH, TAKEN DIRECTLY AT, OUT OF THE SOURCE MATERIAL, UM, IMMEDIATELY.
SO, SO THE QUESTION WAS, UH, IF AN UNDERPERFORMING INDIVIDUAL IS A, UH, AN INDIVIDUAL IS UNDERPERFORMING AND IT'S AN EFFECTIVE, THE TEAM, THEN, UM, THEY NEED TO BE EITHER MENTORED AND AND TRAINED.
THE SECOND ANSWER WAS THE INDIVIDUAL NEEDS TO BE REMOVED.
AND SO THE SOURCE MATERIAL OBVIOUSLY SAYS MENTORED AND TRAINED, BUT IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THAT, IT ALSO SAYS IF THEY DON'T COME UP TO STANDARD, THEN THEY HAVE TO BE REMOVED, UH, FOR THE GOOD OF THE TEAM AND, AND FOR THEIR OWN GOOD.
AND SO I, I BELIEVE EITHER ONE OF THOSE SHOULD BE ACCEPTED ON THAT QUESTION.
DO THEY NOTED THIS? UM, THIS IS, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT I'M, THAT I STRUGGLE WITH.
UM, BUT HERE AGAIN, IT'S, UM, IT WAS THE QUESTION AND THE ANSWER WE'RE TAKING VERBATIM FROM THE, FROM THE SOURCE MATERIAL THAT WAS ON THE TEST.
IF, IF YOU READ FURTHER ON THE SOURCE MATERIAL, IT DOES TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, REMOVING THE PERSON FROM THE TEAM.
AND, AND, UH, I, I ALSO AM, AM KINDA SYMPATHETIC TO THIS, UH, OFFICER, UH, BIRCH.
UM, SO YOU'RE ASKING THAT WE ACCEPT BOTH ANSWERS A AND B, IS THAT RIGHT? YES, SIR.
I BELIEVE BOTH ANSWERS ARE CORRECT.
I'D, UH, I'D BE, SINCE IT, IT ACTUALLY STATES THAT IN, IN THE MATERIAL, IT'S NOT HIGHLIGHTED, BUT IT'S IN THE MATERIAL.
I COULD SEE HOW THAT WOULD BE INTERPRETED AS, AS BOTH ANSWERS FOR THAT.
UH, SO BASED ON THAT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE APPEAL AND, AND ALLOW ANSWERS A AND B TO BE CORRECT.
YOU HAVE A SECOND? UM,
BUT YOU STILL, YOU STILL SECOND AND THEN WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT, THAT WE ACCEPT IT SECOND? NO, WE'D HAVE TO SECOND THE MOTION BEFORE WE CAN EVEN TALK ABOUT IT.
SECOND THE MOTION THAT I MADE.
RIGHT? AND NOW, NOW WE ARE YOU SECONDING, IS THAT TO ACCEPT IT? NO, TO, NO.
TO DENY THE APPEAL? NO, IT'S, I MADE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE APPEAL.
I'LL SECOND AND THERE HAS TO BE A SECOND BEFORE WE CAN EVEN TALK ABOUT IT.
YEAH, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT I STRUGGLE WITH.
AND I WOULD BE, I WOULD BE WILLING TO EITHER, UM, ACCEPT THE APPEAL OR, OR, UM, PURGE THE QUESTION.
SO, UM, COMMISSIONER SARTORE, WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS? UH, YEAH, AGAIN, ON ALL OF THESE, IT, IT, WE CITE, YOU KNOW, THEY CITE THE SOURCE MATERIAL.
UM, SO IT DOESN'T REALLY, TO ME IT'S NOT CLEAR, UM, THAT BOTH ANSWERS
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SHOULD BE ACCEPTABLE INSTEAD OF JUST THE ONE.SO IF YOU FLIP OVER TO THE SOURCE MATERIAL WHERE IT'S HIGHLIGHTED MM-HMM
AND THEN READ THE REST OF THAT PARAGRAPH, IT TALKS ABOUT CHOICE B OF TERMINATING GETTING RID OF THAT TEAM PLAYER, WHICH WOULD BE BOTH ANSWERS.
AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT I'M WILLING TO GIVE SOME LENIENCY BECAUSE IT IS MENTIONED IN THE SOURCE MATERIAL.
IT'S NOT FROM ANOTHER CODE, NOT FROM OTHER SOURCE, RIGHT.
IN THE SOURCE MATERIAL, ACTUALLY IN THE SAME PARAGRAPH, JUST RIGHT BELOW THE ANSWER.
SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING WE SHOULD ACCEPT BOTH A AND B, JUST IN MY OPINION? YES.
UH, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH IT.
I THINK I JUST MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
OH, YEAH, I, I DO THINK THAT WE, THAT BOTH SHOULD BE ACCEPTED 'CAUSE IT IS ALL IN FROM THE SAME MATERIAL.
IF WE COULD, UH, JUST ADD TO THAT AND ACTUALLY FILE A MOTION TO, UH, SPECIFICALLY, UH, MORE THAN ONE CORRECT ANSWER SHOULD BE ALLOWED, UM, IN THE RECORD.
I MEAN, WE TALKED ABOUT IT, YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT WE NEED IT AS PART OF THE MOTION.
I, I DID ACCEPT AND ANSWERS A AND B.
MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT IN THE MOTION ANSWERS A AND B.
[j. Conduct hearing and consider appeal of Question Number 96 from the Police Sergeant promotional examination, which was administered on November 4, 2022.]
ITEM TWO J.UM, CONSIDER THE APPEAL FOR QUESTION NUMBER 96.
OFFICER RO B, DO YOU DESIRE TO PURSUE YOUR APPEAL? I DON'T THINK HE'S HERE.
AND THAT ONE IS, DO I HAVE A MOTION THEN ON, UM, ITEM TWO J? YES.
SINCE AGAIN, THE QUESTION AND ANSWER VERBATIM FROM THE MATERIAL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE APPEAL.
WE DON'T, UH, THERE'S ONLY ONE.
WE NEED TO REGRADE THE TASK THAT I THINK.
[k. Recess to re-grade test(s), if necessary.]
A SHORT RECESS TO REGRADE THE TEST MEETING AND, UH, MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.[l. Announce new test scores, if appropriate.]
SO WE HAVE THE, THE, UH, TEST SCORES THAT HAVE BEEN REGRADED.AND I'D LIKE TO THIS TIME READ THE, READ THE SCORES FOR THE LIEUTENANT TEST.
SO WE HAVE, UM, AARON RALES WITH A SCORE OF 86 BRIAN GRIFFIN WITH A SCORE OF 86, JASON KELLY WITH A SCORE OF 82 DALLAS BICH WITH A SCORE OF 80 CHAD JOHNSON WITH A SCORE OF 73 KENNETH HAMPTON, SCORE OF 60, AND CHRISTOPHER GASKINS WITH A SCORE OF 58 THAT WAS FOR LIEUTENANT.
THE NEW SCORES FOR, UH, SERGEANT, WE HAVE, UM, UH, B ROAMING WITH A SCORE OF 94.9.
ERIC TODD WITH A SCORE OF 83.8.
JESSICA CERVANTES WITH A SCORE OF 81.8.
ERIC
KEVIN DUNLAP WITH A SCORE OF 77.8.
JUAN BARRERA WITH A SCORE OF 76.8.
JEREMY STEVENS WITH 74.7 MARCUS RIVERS WITH A SCORE OF 72.7.
JOHN TTO WITH A SCORE OF 71.7.
DAVID HOLLAND WITH A SCORE OF 70.7.
JEREMY COX WITH A SCORE OF 65.7.
MICHAEL SCHAEFFER, SCORE OF 64.6.
SO THOSE ARE THE NEW SCORES FOR, UH, SERGEANT AND LIEUTENANT.
[m. Certification of Police Lieutenant and Police Sergeant eligibility lists.]
CERTIFY, UH, BOTH THE POLICE LIEUTENANT AND POLICE SERGEANT ELIGIBILITY LIST.Y'ALL ALL IN FAVOR OF CERTIFYING THE LIST? AYE.
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OKAY.SO NOW IT LOOKS LIKE WE CAN, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING.
ALL IN FAVOR? ADJOURN THE MEETING.