* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL] [00:00:22] WELCOME TO THE TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 15TH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. REGULAR MEETING, UH, NAY. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE CALL ROLL. MS. SCOTT. PRESENT. MR. LAREDO PRESENT. . MS. WINFREY PRESENT. MS. WHEELER? PRESENT. MR. PIERCE PRESENT. MS. BARTEN PRESENT. THANK YOU NAY. THANK YOU SIR. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS [2. MINUTES] IS TO REVIEW THE MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 18TH, 2022 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING. MOTION TO APPROVE. I'LL SECOND. HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. AYE. AND THOSE OPPOSED LIKE SIGNED. MOTION CARRIES. THREE A [a. Consider approving Racepark Distribution Center Preliminary Plat, approximately 19 acres located south of South FM 565 Road between East Grand Parkway and Ameriport Parkway.] WHEREIN PLATS CONSIDER APPROVING RACE PARK DISTRIBUTION CENTER. PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROXIMATELY 19 ACRES LOCATED SOUTH OF SOUTH FM 5 65 ROAD BETWEEN EAST GRAND PARKWAY AND AMER PORT PARKWAY. HELLO. GOOD EVENING. UH, COMMISSION. MY NAME'S TRISTAN LYONS. PLANNING DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. SO THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR AT THE CORNER OF FM 5 6 5 AND THE GRAND PARKWAY. THEY'RE CREATING ONE COMMERCIAL RESERVE FOR THE RACE PARK DISTRIBUTION CENTER ACROSS THE ROAD. IT IS APPROXIMATELY 19 ACRES AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR. PLEASE INDICATE. PLEASE DO. MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION TO APPROVE. I'M SORRY, MITCHELL. I SECOND HELEN. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED LIKE SIGN. UH, THREE B. [b. Consider approving San Jacinto Crossing Parcel G Alamo Plaza Preliminary Plat, approximately 5.26 acres located on the south side of Alamo Street, east of Garth Road and north of Hunt Road.] CONSIDER APPROVING SANDRA JACIN CROSSING PARCEL G ALAMO PLAZA. PRELIMINARY PLAT, APPROXIMATELY 5.26 ACRES LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF ALAMO STREET, EAST OF GARTH ROAD AND NORTH OF HUNT ROAD. GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS LAMIA SALE PLANNER TWO WITH THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY RECEIVED ZONING MAP AMENDMENT APPROVAL FROM COUNCIL ON UH, JULY, UH, OF THIS YEAR TO, UH, REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO MIXED RESIDENTIAL AT LOW TO MEDIUM DENSITIES SF TWO. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CREATE 24 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AS WELL AS A 50 FOOT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND TWO RESERVES. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FOR APPROVAL. I'LL SECOND HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. AYE. A THOSE OPPOSED LIKE SIGN. MOTION CARRIES [a. Consider a request to amend the official zoning map to rezone approximately 35.10 acres generally located near 703 Hunt Road from General Commercial (GC) to a Medium Density Mixed Residential (MF1) Zoning District. ] ZONING FOR A ZONING, CONSIDER A REQUEST TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 35 POINT 10 ACRES. GENERALLY LOCATED NEAR 7 0 3 HUNT ROAD FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO MEDIUM DENSITY MIXED RESIDENTIAL MF ONE ZONING DISTRICT. CHRIS, GOOD EVENING COMMISSION. UH, THIS IS A CONTINUATION FROM THE ITEM THAT YOU ALL CONSIDERED. LAST, UH, AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, YOU GUYS DECIDED TO TABLE TO TAKE IN ALL THE MATERIALS THAT YOU RECEIVED AT THAT MEETING AND I BELIEVE SOME ADDITIONAL FOLLOW-UP COMMUNICATION, WHICH WE SENT YOU, SENT TO YOU VIA EMAIL. UM, SO WITH THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION TO ALLOW YOU ALL TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER YOU WANT TO, UH, APPROVE OR DENY THE PROPOSAL TO MOVE THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO MULTIFAMILY ONE. AND THAT'S IT. QUESTION DID, DID THE, UH, SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIAL ALLEVIATE ANY OF YOUR CONCERNS AS FAR AS STAFF? HMM. SO, SO NO, NOT REALLY. UH, WE WERE AWARE OF THE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE APPLICANT PRESENTED, UM, UH, IN THOSE SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS. UH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, STAFF HAS [00:05:01] ALREADY CREATED THE REPORT AND WRITTEN IT FOR YOU. UM, THE, IT STILL STANDS THAT WE WOULD, WOULD DO NOT SEE A COMMUNITY NEED AT THIS TIME. UM, BUT AGAIN, THE SCOPE THAT THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING AT IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE SCOPE THAT STAFF IS LOOKING AT. SO. OKAY. I MEAN, IF ALL OF THAT HAD COME IN ON DAY ONE, WOULD YOUR REPORT HAVE STILL BEEN THE SAME? DO YOU THINK? IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY YES OR NO TO THAT. SO THERE IS IT WITH THOSE RECOMMENDA WITH THOSE ADDITIONS, IT LOOKS MORE FAVORABLE IN, IN GENERAL. IT COULD BE. 'CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF, STAFF DID STATE IS THAT THIS IS A OPTIMUM LOCATION FOR, FOR MULTIFAMILY ZONING. RIGHT. THE QUESTION THAT, THAT WE ARE, OR THE, THE, THE QUESTION THAT WE ARE CHALLENGED WITH IS WITH THE PRO WITH THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND THE PRODUCTS THAT HAVE YET TO COME ONLINE. IS IT APPROPRIATE TO CONTINUE TO ZONE PROPERTIES TO MOSTLY FAMILY WITH THAT IN, IN PLACE? AND I, I KIND OF PUSHED HARD FOR THE TIME BECAUSE I WANTED TO LOOK INTO THE, THE COMPANY THAT WAS DOING A DEVELOPMENT AND SEE SOME OF THEIR OTHER PRODUCTS. AND I, I FOUND 'EM TO BE VERY DESIRABLE PRODUCTS. UH, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR BAYTOWN OVERALL, BUT I UNDERSTAND FROM WHAT I'M SEEING THERE, IT CERTAINLY LOOKS VERY ATTRACTIVE. MADAM CHAIR, UM, REMINDER, YOU'RE ZONING TO MF ONE. THERE IS NO, YOU'RE ZONING TO WHATEVER IS ALLOWED IN MF ONE. SO WHILE AGAIN, STAFF DOES NOT QUESTION THE APPLICANT'S DESIRE OR INTENTION TO CREATE THIS PRODUCT, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS ON THE GROUND. SO REMEMBER WHILE, UM, MR. CRAWFORD'S DEVELOPMENT, UM, LOOKS GREAT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU LIKE, THEN GREAT. THERE JUST ARE NO GUARANTEES AT THIS STAGE IN THE GAME. SO I THINK YOU'LL SEE IN THE MATERIALS, UM, MR THE APPLICANT HAS GONE TO A A, THEY'RE LOOKING TO GET A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DRAWN UP WITH THE CITY COUNCIL THAT WOULD HOLD HIM TO SOME OF THESE THINGS. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S KIND OF UP IN THE AIR RIGHT AT THIS STAGE. I KNOW THAT'S HIS INTENT. WHETHER CITY COUNCIL DOES THAT AND APPROVES IT IS GUESS AT THIS STAGE. SO I, AND I MIGHT SUGGEST, UM, THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT. UM, IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THOSE THINGS, UM, IT IS WITHIN YOUR CHAIR'S, UM, AUTHORITY TO ALLOW HIM TO COME UP AND KIND OF WORK THROUGH THOSE QUESTIONS IF YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE. I THINK STAFF IS BASED THAT ON PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE BOOKS. BUT WE ARE ALL AWARE THAT SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS WILL NOT COME TO FRUITION. SO FROM A STANDPOINT OF COMMUNITY NEEDS, I DON'T THINK THAT APPLIES HERE. WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT IS EXCELLENT AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE'VE NOT HAD IN THE FUTURE. WE'VE DONE ALL OF OUR READING MATERIAL. IT'S A GREAT PROJECT. MANY PEOPLE HAVE GONE AND SEEN THE EXISTING PROJECT IN CONROE AND ONLY CAME BACK WITH RAVE REVIEWS. TAMMY, YOU HAVE YES, I DO. I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT, MADAM CHAIR. AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY. AFTER I DID MY RESEARCH, I FIND THAT WE HAVE TOO MANY MULTI-FAMILY RENTAL PROJECTS, UM, ALREADY APPROVED BY US AND BY CITY COUNCIL. UM, AFTER MY RESEARCH, I AGREE WITH STAFF. I DON'T SEE THE COMMUNITY NEED, BUT HERE IS WHY. UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE APPROXIMATELY 14,000 UNITS FOR RENT WITH ANOTHER 3000 AROUND THE BEND. UM, ALL THE COMPLEXES THAT I HAVE CONTACTED IN THE AREA HAVE AVAILABILITY. NOW THERE IS ZERO WAIT LIST THAT I COULD FIND. UM, OUR HOTELS RUN AT 60% NO MORE, WHICH MEANS THAT THERE'S NOT PEOPLE IN HOTELS WAITING TO FIND APARTMENTS, ET CETERA. AND WITH THE EXCEPTION OF EVENT WEEKENDS, OBVIOUSLY, UM, I THINK WE DO NEED HOUSING FOR MIDDLE AMERICA, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S RENTAL. I THINK WHAT WE NEED IS PURCHASE. AND I WOULD HAPPILY APPROVE THIS IF IT WAS CONDOS OR SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE COULD OWN FOR THEMSELVES. BUT BECAUSE IT'S ANOTHER RENTAL PROJECT, I DISAGREE. MAY I ASK IF WHAT ONE AT A TIME? I'M SORRY. MAY I ASK IF WE, UH, APPROVE THIS PROJECT AND ANOTHER ONE LIKE IT COMES ALONG, WILL WE HAVE TO MAKE THE EXCEPTION FOR THEM AS WELL? WILL WE HAVE TO KEEP MAKING THE EXCEPTION? BECAUSE THEN TO, TO HAVING, UM, SO MANY MULTI-FAMILIES WITHIN A CERTAIN PARAMETER AREA, THAT POLICY CONTINUES. IT'S A COUNCIL POLICY, UM, NOT TECHNICALLY, UH, REGULATION, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY REALLY, THEY ARE THE ONES WHO DEAL WITH THAT MORE SO THAN YOU GUYS. AND SO IF THIS, BUT BUT IT STANDS IT DOESN'T GO AWAY. IF THIS COMES ONLINE, DOES IT VIOLATE THAT POLICY WITHIN THE MILEAGE, [00:10:01] THE MILES THAT TECHNICALLY IT DOES, BUT AGAIN, IT'S A POLICY, NOT A REGULATION. SO COUNSEL HAS THE ABILITY TO WAIVE THAT IF THEY CHOOSE. UM, I HAVE A COMMENT. SO WE COULD SEE A WAVE OF THAT STARTING TO HAPPEN. WELL, UM, TO COME. I BELIEVE IF WE APPROVE THIS, THEN WHAT'S NOT TO SAY THE NEXT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPER WILL COME AND SAY, I TOO WANNA DEVELOP MULTIFAMILY AND AS CITY COUNCIL FOR THAT EXCEPTION AS WELL. BUT JUST REMEMBER THAT ALL OF THOSE THAT ARE ON THAT LIST ARE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE BUILT. ONE'S ALREADY DROPPED OFF THAT I KNOW OF. AND THERE MAY BE OTHERS. WE'VE HAD OTHERS THAT WERE ON THERE, BUT THEY NEVER BUILT SO WELL, WE COULD ALWAYS CONTACT MR. CRAWFORD AT THAT POINT AND SAY, , WE COME BACK LATER. BUT WE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER, WE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT, CAN MAKE DECISIONS. WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON SOMETHING THAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE AND HASN'T BEEN APPLIED. THAT'S, THAT'S, I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THE CONVERSATION WHERE IT'S AT. UM, AUGUSTINE, YOU HAD SOMETHING? YES. THANK YOU. UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. UH, NUMBER ONE, I KNOW THAT WE HAD A, A STRONG GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT CAME AND, AND DIDN'T LIKE THE IDEA OF THAT HAPPENING. I I, I FEEL FOR THOSE PEOPLE, I, I I REALLY DO. BUT THE REALITY IS THAT SOMETHING'S GONNA GET BUILT THERE. MM-HMM . I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE REALITY. IT'S LIKE, UM, WHEN WE, A FEW, UM, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT A YEAR OR TWO AGO WHEN THE ANGEL BROTHERS CAME AND THEY WERE UPSET OVER SOME DEVELOPMENT. IT'S HAPPENING. I MEAN, OUR CITY IS GROWING, WHETHER WE SOME I THINK IT'S GREAT. SOME PEOPLE WOULD LIKE IT TO STILL BE SMALL. IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. WE DON'T GET TO DECIDE . UM, THE ONLY THE OTHER THING IS, UM, I KNOW THAT, THAT WE'RE SAYING WE DON'T NEED IT NOW BECAUSE I, I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS FOR THE, FOR THESE KIND OF DEVELOPMENTS IN THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN BECAUSE WHEN WE STARTED SAN JATO BOULEVARD, UM, WE HAD, WE WERE PRESENTED WITH ONE IDEA. WELL NOW BECAUSE OF OTHER THINGS HAPPENING IN THAT AREA THAT ARE NOT COMING TO FRUITION, THAT THING'S STARTING TO CHANGE. AND, AND I'M NOT TOO HAPPY ABOUT THAT, BUT THIS IS THE KIND OF, OF OF HOUSING. I I DO AGREE WITH YOU. I I DO, I AM NOT A FAN OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES AT ALL. THIS LOOKS A LITTLE BIT BETTER IN APARTMENT COMPLEX. UM, I, I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF PEOPLE OWNING THEIR PROPERTY, BUT THIS KIND OF THING IS, IS THE KIND OF OF DEAL THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THIS AREA OF TOWN. YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE KIND OF OF THINGS THAT ARE GONNA ATTRACT PEOPLE TO COME LIVE IN BAYTOWN. AND, AND I JUST HAVE A A WHEN WE SAY NO, BECAUSE WE DON'T, THEY CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. WELL, THAT'S THE SAME THING FOR EVERY OTHER THING WE'VE APPROVED HERE AND Y'ALL HAVE RECOMMENDED OTHER THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO THAT DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT ME AS MUCH AS THE FACT THAT I, I WANT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE NICE AND GONNA LAST FOR A WHILE, WHETHER WE CONTROL IT OR NOT. I, I DOUBT THAT THEY'RE PUTTING THIS MANY RESOURCES FOR SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA, NOT GONNA FRUITION. AND I'M TRUSTING CITY COUNCIL TO PUT THE, TO HOLD THEIR HAND TO THE FIRE TO MAKE THIS COME TO FRUITION. AND, AND, AND LIKE I SAID EARLIER, YOU KNOW, I FEEL FOR THOSE PEOPLE I DO, YOU KNOW, I, I I DON'T I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, BUT SOMETHING IS, THESE THINGS ARE COMING. THERE'S TOO MUCH OPEN LAND THERE FOR THEM, FOR THEM NOT TO BUILD THESE KIND OF THINGS. AND OTHER RETAIL, I MEAN, LUCKILY IT'S, IT'S HOMES BECAUSE IF IT WAS RETAIL, IT'D BE A LOT, I THINK A LOT MORE DIFFERENT FOR, FOR THEM NOT AS, NOT AS GOOD AS THIS MIGHT MIGHT BE. THANK YOU MITCHELL. I WAS WAITING TO BE RECOGNIZED. WE'VE, I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD ABOUT TWO, TWO YEARS AND BEST I CAN COUNT, WE'VE APPROVED ABOUT 10,000 HOMES IN THAT TIME PERIOD. MEDIAN PRICE WENT FROM 120,000 TO 250,000. IT'S GETTING ABOVE 300,000 NOW, WITH THE INTEREST RATE CHANGES, IF YOU'D HAVE BOUGHT A HOUSE AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR FOR 300,000, YOUR PAYMENTS WOULD'VE BEEN $1,200. TODAY THEY'RE PUSHING 2000. WE NEED HOUSING FOR OUR YOUNG PROFESSIONALS, NEW SCHOOL TEACHERS, NEW ENGINEERS, NEW OPERATORS IN OUR PLANTS. OLDER PEOPLE. OLDER PEOPLE. UH, YEAH. AND, AND I THINK HAVING THAT OTHER FORM OF HOUSING IS A BIG BENEFIT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S JUST MY 2 CENTS FOR IT. AND SPEAKING OF CITY COUNCIL, UM, LAST MONTH, UM, I REALLY, UH, VOICED HOW THIS COULD LOOK AND FEEL AND BE AS ATTRACTIVE AS WE WANTED IT TO BE. AND THAT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW AND OUR PURVIEW. UM, IT WAS, UH, AND I, I'M CLEAR NOW, IS THAT WHAT WE VOICE HERE THAT WE WANT TO SEE AND HAVE IS HEARD BY CITY COUNCIL AND SO WE DON'T HAVE TO KNOCK ON THEIR DOOR, WRITE THEM A LETTER. SO ARE WE READY? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I THINK THAT OKAY. WELCOME A MOTION. WHAT IS OUR ACTION ITEM? LET'S REFUTE THAT. . IT'S TO APPROVE. [00:15:01] OKAY. I WOULD HAPPILY MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU AUGUSTINE. ANYBODY ELSE? ALL IN FAVOR? LET'S TAKE A SHOWING OF HANDS PLEASE. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU ALL OUR AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR OBJECTION. I DO. I LIVE HERE EVERY DAY. I SEE IT EVERY DAY. AND I DEAL WITH SMALL AMERICA EVERY DAY. WE FACE THE FACT THAT MY OPINION THAT EVERYTHING WE APPROVE COULD CHANGE AFTER WE APPROVE IT. ANYWAY, WE FINISHED IT. WE'RE MOVING ON. I THINK WE SOME, UM, UH, FOUR [b. Conduct a public hearing and consider a request to amend the official zoning map to rezone approximately 2.47 acres located at 5225 Middleton Street from General Commercial (GC) to a Mixed Residential at Low to Medium Densities (SF2) Zoning District.] B IS PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'LL READ THE FOLLOWING ONE TIME. AND IT APPLIES TO ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS. PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE HELD FOR THE PURPOSE OF GIVING ALL INTERESTED PERSONS RIGHT TO SPEAK AND BE HEARD. EVERYONE DESIRING TO SPEAK AT TODAY'S HEARING SHOULD HAVE SIGNED THE APPROPRIATE LIST. AS THIS LIST WILL PROVIDE THE SPEAKING ORDER FOR THE HEARING. EACH SPEAKER SHALL GIVE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS TO PROVIDE A PROPER RECORD OF THE HEARING. THE RULES ALLOW EACH SPEAKER THREE MINUTES TO PRESENT INFORMATION. HOWEVER, I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO BE AS CONCISE AS POSSIBLE. IF YOU ARE A GROUP WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON THE SAME SUBJECT, PLEASE SELECT A SPOKESPERSON TO PRESENT THIS INFORMATION. IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE DIRECT THEM TO ME. DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO, MA'AM, WE DO NOT. SO WE'RE, WE'RE IN YOUR HANDS. HELLO AGAIN. THIS PROPERTY IS, UH, APPROXIMATELY 2.47 ACRES OF LAND. IT'S, UH, LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MIDDLETON STREET AND UH, ON THE WEST, I'M SORRY, UH, ON THE WEST SIDE OF MIDDLETON STREET, SOUTH OF DICKERS. AND IT IS SURROUNDED BY A MIX OF, UM, EXISTING RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND, AND VACANT LOTS AS WELL. THIS IS A STREET VIEW, UH, LOOKING SOUTH FROM DECKER STREET TO THE, TO MIDDLETON STREET. AND IT'S GOING THROUGH MIDDLETON STREET IS GOING THROUGH TRANSITION FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. IT'S CURRENTLY VACANT AND UNDEVELOPED. IT HAS A FRONTAGE OF APPROXIMATELY 280 FEET. THE, UH, FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING AND THE, UM, THE PROPERTIES SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS MIXED DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. MIXED DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS, UM, PROVIDING FOR A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS, INCLUDING A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES AND DENSITIES. UM, ALSO, UH, MENTIONED IN THE REPORT THAT BAYTOWN BAYWAY DRIVE CORRIDOR PLAN ALSO IS SUPPORTING, UH, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS AREA. THE CURRENT ZONING IS GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND IT'S ALSO FOR THE, UH, THE VACANT PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THIS IS THE PROPOSED ZONING IS TO REZONE THE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO MIXED RESIDENTIAL, UH, MIXED RESIDENTIAL AT LOW TO MEDIUM DENSITIES. SF TWO AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. I HAVE A QUESTION. HOW DID THAT BECOME COMMERCIAL TO BEGIN WITH? THERE'S ONLY RESIDENTIAL ON THAT STREET RESIDE. UH, THERE ARE SOME COMMERCIAL EXISTING COMMERCIAL AT THE, THE BACK OF THE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. I'M GOING BACK TO THE, I'M GOING BACK TO THE VICINITY MAP. YEAH. SO THESE PROPERTY USED TO BE, UM, A THROUGH PROPERTY BETWEEN BAYWAY DRIVE AND MIDDLETON STREET. AND IN THE FUTURE IT BECOMES, UM, DIVIDED. IT DIVIDES AND IT SEPARATES. SO THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY ACTUALLY WAS PART OF THE PROPERTY ON BAY, UH, WAIT DRIVE. AND, UH, THEY SUBDIVIDED THROUGH A DEED AND THEN THE APPLICANT IS COMING TO REONE IT. BUT THE WHOLE PROPERTY WAS, WAS ONE GENERAL COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. UH, THERE ARE SOME GENERAL COMMERCIAL, UM, HERE. UH, JUST RIGHT ON. SO [00:20:01] THIS IS THE EXISTING ONE THAT CREATES THE, UM, THE SUBDIVISION OF THE PROPERTY. SO THIS IS EXISTING COMMERCIAL AS WELL AS THE ONE FRONTING ON DECKER DRIVE. THERE ARE SOME EXISTING HOUSES AS WELL, FRONTING, BAYWAY, AND SOME EXISTING HOUSES ON MIDDLETON STREET. THANK YOU. YOU ARE WELCOME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ARE WE MAKE, ARE WE PASSING THIS TONIGHT? YES, SIR. WE ONLY HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING NOW. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. I HAVE A CLOSE TO PUBLIC HEARING , I'LL CLOSE. WE'LL WAIT FOR YOU. WE'LL GET THERE IN A SECOND. WE'RE SLOWING DOWN. OKAY. SO WE CLOSED THIS, OFFICIALLY CLOSED THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND AUGUSTINE HAS A MOTION TO APPROVE I SECOND AND HELEN SECONDS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, LIKE, SO MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. WE ARE [a. Discuss the proposed City-sponsored zoning map amendment of an area consisting of approximately 132 acres located south of Blue Heron Parkway. ] FIVE DISCUSSIONS. WHO'S HEADING THIS DISCUSSION? FRED, UH, CAME FROM THE BACK. . HELLO COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS TREVOR HARLOW. I'M A PLANNER TWO AT THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. SO, UH, THIS ITEM THAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY, AS YOU MENTIONED, IS A DISCUSSION ITEM. SO WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY ACTION ON IT AS OF TODAY. UH, IT WILL BE COMING BEFORE YOU NEXT MONTH FOR ITS PUBLIC HEARING AND ACTION. BUT AS OF NOW, IT'S JUST A DISCUSSION AND A CHANCE FOR US TO GET IT IN YOUR HEADS AND LET YOU CONSIDER IT AND GIVE US SOME THOUGHTS. SO WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IS A PO IS A CITY SPONSORED REZONING FOR THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY. SO FIRST OFF, TO GIVE THE IDEA OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, IT'S LISTED THERE ON THE MAP, BUT WE'RE DEALING WITH ABOUT 132 ACRES ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE BLUE HERON PARKWAY. IT GOES FROM ROUGHLY CROSBY, CEDAR BAYOU, UM, OVER TO JUST BEFORE NORTH MAIN STREET, RIGHT PAST BARLOW ROAD. AND IT'S THAT WHOLE, UH, SOUTHERN REGION, WHICH SOME OF THE PROPERTIES GOING ARE PART OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY GOING FURTHER SOUTH ALONG, UH, BARLOW THERE AND ALONG CROSBY, CEDAR BAYOU. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THIS AREA IS A LOT OF IT IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED, UH, AS WELL AS A BUTTING UP ON THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THERE IS A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES THAT ARE COMING BEFORE IT. AND IT'S IN A PRIME AREA FOR DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THE BLUE HERON PARKWAY. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO BE PROACTIVE AND GET AHEAD OF THAT SINCE ALL OF THE AREAS CURRENTLY ZONED OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION. AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, THERE'S NOT A LOT YOU CAN DO IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT. SO INSTEAD OF JUST WAITING FOR THIS TO COME IN PIECE MAIL HAS ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS, WE'RE LOOKING TO DO THE OVERALL, UH, CITY SPONSORED REZONING IN THE AREA SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME INPUT INTO WHAT THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS WILL BE. SO, UH, WHERE WE'VE COME FOR THAT DECISION OF ZONING DISTRICTS IS FROM STAFF INPUT AND OUR EXPERTISE IN THE AREA AS WELL HAS SOME, UH, FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY AND SOME CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT. SO I'M GOING TO JUMP INTO THE FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED SO FAR TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT, UH, THE PUBLIC IS SAYING ON THIS. SO OUR BIGGEST ENGAGEMENT HAS BEEN IN OUR ONLINE ENGAGEMENT. UH, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A BAYTOWN ENGAGE PAGE, WHICH ALL WITH ALL THE INFORMATION, AND THAT ALSO FEATURES AN INTERACTIVE MAP TOOL, WHICH THAT, UH, MAP TO THE RIGHT IS A SCREENSHOT TAKEN FROM THAT THAT SHOWS ALL THE, UH, PINS THAT PEOPLE HAVE DROPPED. THAT'S HOW WE'RE COLLECTING THE INFORMATION. YOU'RE ABLE TO DROP A PIN, LEAVE A COMMENT ON WHAT YOU WANNA SEE IN THAT AREA, AND GIVE A DESIGNATION FOR WHICH TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. IT'S BEEN REALLY WELL RECEIVED. WE'VE HAD OVER 90 PENS DROPPED IN THERE, SO A TON OF FEEDBACK TO LOOK THROUGH THERE. AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE DONE SOME POSTCARD MAILING THAT WAS BOTH ADVERTISING THE PROJECT, THE PROJECT AND LEADING BACK TO BAYTOWN ENGAGE AS WELL AS PROMOTED OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OPEN HOUSE, WHICH WE DID TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT, UH, LAST MONTH. THAT, UH, HAPPENED IN OCTOBER, BUT WE, UH, HAD SOME GREAT TURNOUT THERE AS WELL. IT WAS AROUND 30 PEOPLE CAME OUT TO SPEAK ON THE PROJECT AND GAVE US SOME GREAT FEEDBACK. AND DURING THAT WE PRESENTED OUR INITIAL OPTIONS, WHICH I'M GONNA SHOW TO YOU ALL NOW. SO THESE WERE WHAT WE BROUGHT TO THEM IN KIND OF A VERY SIMPLE FORMAT OF COMMERCIAL FOCUSED, RESIDENTIAL FOCUSED, MIXED USE FOCUS. WHAT SPEAKS TO YOU, WHAT DO YOU LIKE, WHAT ABOUT THIS MAKES SENSE? UM, ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE TO KIND OF GET IT FLOWING IN THEIR MINDS OF WHAT COULD BE THERE, WHAT THEY WOULD WANT TO SEE THERE AND WHAT KIND OF POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS MAKE SENSE. UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A LOT OF SIMILARITIES. UH, REALLY KIND OF THE NO-BRAINERS FOR THE AREA IS KEEPING THAT RESIDENTIAL, UH, CHARACTER OVER HERE ON THE WESTERN SIDE WITH THAT SF TWO ZONING, WHICH ALL MATCHES ALL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALONG HERE. I DON'T HAVE A FULL ZONING MAP, BUT AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, ALL THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S [00:25:01] PRETTY MUCH ALL THE SAME CHARACTER. IT'S ALL SF TWO AND THEN WE KEPT THAT PARK CHARACTER. WE HAVE TWO CITY PARKS HERE. SO WE WERE KEEPING THOSE OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION ON THE, UH, INITIAL OPTIONS WE PRESENTED TO THEM. AND REALLY A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION WAS CENTERED AROUND THIS FRONTAGE, UM, ALONG BLUE HERON AS WELL AS WHAT WE'RE REFERRING TO AS THIS TRANSITION ZONE THAT COMES SOUTH OF ALONG BARLOW, WHERE THERE'S SOME DIFFERENT PROPERTIES THAT WHILE ALL SOME OF THEM ARE ABUTTING RIGHT UP ON THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, SOME OF THEM ARE ABUTTING ON THAT, UH, COMMERCIAL, MORE COMMERCIAL TRADITIONAL AREA THAT'S AROUND BLUE HERON. SO LOOKING AT THESE OPTIONS, TALKING WITH CITIZENS, ENGAGING AT THE OPEN HOUSE, COLLECTING AND LOOKING THROUGH THEIR FEEDBACK AND STAFF, UH, DISCUSSING IT AS A GROUP, WE WERE ABLE TO COME TO THIS AS OUR PRO PROPOSED REZONING. SO AS OF NOW, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR THE RE FOR THE, UH, FOR THE ZONING, UH, ZONING DISTRICTS WITHIN THAT 132 ACRE, UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, A LOT OF THIS STAYED TRUE TO A LOT OF THOSE OPTIONS WE SAW EARLIER WITH THAT SF TWO DESIGNATION MATCHING THE CHARACTER OVER HERE AND OVER HERE AS WELL. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT STAYED TRUE THERE AS WELL AS I MENTIONED THAT OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION OR FOR THE TWO CITY PARKS SINCE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NO REASON FOR US TO BE REZONING THOSE. SO THAT WON'T BE A PART OF THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT ITSELF SINCE THOSE WILL BE STAYING THE SAME. AND THEN WE, UH, TOOK AN A MIXED USE APPROACH. SO WE HAVE A HEAVY RELIANCE ON MIXED USE FOR THE CORRIDOR PROPERTIES AND THEN THESE TRANSITION AREAS. SO THIS ALLOWED A TRANSITION TO A MIXED USE, UH, AREA FROM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WHILE STILL HAVING THESE ONES THAT ARE RIGHT UP A BUDDING ON THE PROPERTIES ON THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER TO STAY WITH THAT SF TWO ZONING. SO THERE'S NO CONCERN THERE WITH, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT OTHER THAN THAT REALLY FOCUSING IN ON THAT MIXED USE THERE, WHICH, UH, WE ALSO WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE AMENDMENT TO THE, TO THE MIXED USE, UH, ZONING DISTRICTS AND THE CHANGES THAT WILL BRING. BUT CHRIS WILL COVER COVER THAT. SO, BUT WE'LL GET INTO THAT. OTHERWISE, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO NEXT AND KIND OF WHAT THE PROCESS HAS BEEN. SO YOU'RE FAMILIAR. UH, BACK IN OCTOBER, AS I MENTIONED, WE INITIATED THIS REZONING OPPORTUNITY, TALKED ABOUT WHAT IT WAS GONNA LOOK LIKE AND UH, OPENED IT FOR COMMUNITY FEEDBACK WITH THE OPEN HOUSE AND OUR BAYTOWN ENGAGE PAGE AND THESE ONLINE TOOLS WHICH WILL STAY OPEN. SO WE WILL BE CONTINUING TO COLLECT THAT FEEDBACK. SO THAT HAPPENED, UH, MAINLY IN OCTOBER AND NOW IN NOVEMBER. WE ARE NOW AT THE STEP THREE, WHICH IS PROPOSED, UH, REZONING BEING PRESENTED TO YOU ALL. NOT TO TAKE ANY ACTION BUT JUST TO BE PRESENTED. SO THAT WILL HAPPEN NOW THROUGH DECEMBER WHEN WE GET TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. SO AS I MENTIONED, THIS WILL COME BEFORE YOU NEXT MONTH AS A PUBLIC HEARING AND AN ACTION ITEM, WE'LL OF COURSE HAVE MORE DETAILS AND PROBABLY GIVE US SOME MORE INPUT INTO THE ACTUAL SUBJECT PROPERTY WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING IT AS AN ACTION ITEM. AND THEN OF COURSE, BASED ON THAT WE'LL GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR DECISION. RIGHT NOW WE DO HAVE IT SLATED FOR JANUARY. THAT CAN DEFINITELY BE IN FLUX. THAT MAY BE MOVED DEPENDING ON WHAT WE WANT TO DO, IF WE GET FEEDBACK, IF THERE'S OTHER COMMENTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT AS OF NOW, YOU CAN PLAN FOR IT TO COME BEFORE YOU FOR ACTION THIS, UH, NEXT MEETING IN DECEMBER. BUT YEAH, QUESTION? UH, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. NO, GO AHEAD. I MEAN FOR MOST OF OUR HISTORY, MOST OF THE TOWN WAS MIXED USE AND FIRST THING WE DID WAS ZONING WAS KIND OF DO AWAY WITH MIXED USE. WHERE IS, WHERE IS THE HEADING NOW FOR MIXED USE? 'CAUSE WE REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH. YEAH. AND I THINK CHRIS WILL WANT TO JUMP IN ON THAT, THAT ANSWER. YES. UM, SO AS TREVOR MENTIONED, CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? IS THIS ON? YES. UM, AS TREVOR MENTIONED, WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE MU ZONING DISTRICT, UM, IN A FAIRLY GOOD DETAIL. AS YOU RECALL, EARLIER THIS YEAR, WE MADE SOME AMENDMENTS TO ALLOW SOME RESIDENTIAL PRODUCTS TO BE ALLOWED INSIDE OF MU. UH, ONE OF THE OTHER AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IS TAKING SOME OF THOSE HEAVY USES THAT ARE INSIDE OF THE MU ZONING DISTRICT, LIKE SUPPLY HOUSES, UH, MANUFACTURING LIGHT, UM, UH, SO THOSE TYPE OF AUTO BODY SHOPS, ET CETERA. SO WE MIGHT WANT TO REMOVE THOSE. AND THEN ALSO THERE'S A TEXT INSIDE OF THE, THE CODE THAT SAYS THAT NO OTHER LAND SHALL BE ZONED TO MU. SO WE ALSO WILL MAKE THAT AMENDMENT TO HOPEFULLY ACHIEVE, UM, WHAT WE WANT TO, THE GOAL IS TO AGAIN, CREATE THIS MU DISTRICT THAT OF A, A PRODUCT THAT WE DESIRE AS OPPOSED TO A CATCHALL. AND, AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S WORTH POINTING OUT A LITTLE BIT OF THE HISTORY ON THAT IS THAT, AS CHRIS CALLED THAT A CATCHALL, THAT WHEN ZONING WAS BROUGHT INTO THE CITY OF BAYTOWN, THE MU ZONE WAS DESIGNED TO BE THAT, TO BE A CATCHALL. SO IT'S NOT WHAT WE AS PLANNERS WOULD CONSIDER A TRUE MIXED USE ZONE. AND IT, AND IT [00:30:01] IS SOMETHING THAT IS, IS, THAT'S WHY THERE'S A CAVEAT ON THE END OF THAT IN THE CODE THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T MAKE ANY MORE OF THIS BECAUSE IT'S JUST KIND OF TOO AMORPHOUS. UM, AND DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF, DOESN'T GIVE A LOT OF DIRECTION. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE FIND THE, THE VALUE OF A TRUE MIXED USE ZONE IS VERY HIGH. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT AS A CITY TO HELP US GET TO SOME DIVISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN LAID OUT IN THE COMP PLAN. UM, SO WE, WE HAVE SOME WORK TO DO ON THAT. AND WE FEEL LIKE THAT THAT'S GOING TO, I THINK PROBABLY HAPPENED THROUGH THE ULDC UPDATE, BUT WE HAVE 18 MONTHS AND THERE'S A LOT OF PRESSURES HAPPENING NOW. SO WE FEEL LIKE KIND OF BAND-AIDING IT AT THE MOMENT IS A GOOD OPTION FOR THE CITY AND PROBABLY THE BEST OPTION FOR THESE PROPERTY OWNERS AND, AND ALSO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS. SO WHAT KINDS OF THINGS DO WE SEE IN MIXED USE? LONG TERM? OH, LONG TERM, OKAY. I CAN, I CAN SPEAK TO LONG TERM. SO DEFINITELY YOU WANT, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MIXED USE BUILDINGS, WE TALKED ABOUT DUPLEXES. UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HORIZONTAL MIXED USE WHERE A COMMERCIAL PRODUCT CAN BE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT. UM, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ESTABLISHING THE CONDITIONS ON HOW THAT WORKS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE OR LESS BUFFERING THAN WHAT ALREADY EXISTS. UM, BUT YEAH, SO YOU'RE, I GUESS IF I WERE TO GIVE YOU A VISUAL MIXED USE LOOKS LIKE, UM, THE SMALL RESIDENTIAL OR THE SMALL COMMERCIAL STORE ON THE CORNER WITH HOUSES DIRECTLY, UM, ADJACENT TO IT, PROBABLY WRAPPING AROUND IT IN SOME KIND OF FORM OR FASHION, PROBABLY SMALLER LOTS, A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSITY THAN WHAT YOU WOULD SEE INSIDE OF YOUR SF TWO TYPE ZONING DISTRICT. UM, BUT DEFINITELY, UH, A A WALKABLE TYPE ENVIRONMENT OVERALL IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID WITH SAN JACINTO OVERLAY DISTRICT, BUT NOT AS INTENSE OF, OF UH, STANDARDS. GUESS I ASKED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE OF MY THOUGHT FROM NORTH MAINE TO RACCOON, THAT'S NOT RACCOON, IT'S UH, MARKO SEEMS, I I ALWAYS ENVISION THAT AS COMMERCIAL, SOME TYPE OF COMMERCIAL INSURANCE OFFICES. WE CONSIDERED OUR OFFICE THERE WHEN MM-HMM . WE WERE LOOKING AT PROPERTY, THOSE TYPES OF OFFICE SPACE. AND THAT COULD BE, AND I'M CONCERNED THAT IN MIXED USE, WE MAY NOT GET THAT. NO, THE MIXED SHOES WOULD ACCOMMODATE IT. THE MIXED SHOES ZONING DISTRICT DEFINITELY WOULD ACCOMMODATE IT. UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE INTENT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THE SMALL OFFICES TO BE, UH, APPLIED TO THIS AREA, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE TARGET, NOT NECESSARILY THE WALMART. SO IT'S KIND OF STRIKING THAT BALANCE TO WHERE YOU ALLOW SOME COMMERCIAL, BUT THE THING THAT WE HAVE TO GET AWAY THAT THE THING THAT STAFF IS CONCERNED ABOUT ALSO IS HAVING AN OVER PROLIFERATION IN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS SOLELY JUST FOR COMMERCIAL SAKE. SO THAT'S WHERE THE MIXED USE WOULD COME INTO PLAY, RIGHT? SO THAT YOU CAN, UH, BREAK UP THAT MONOTONY OF THESE, THESE STRIPS OF COMMERCIAL ZONES, RIGHT? RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO ACHIEVE HERE. UM, IN THE, IN THE INTERIM IT'LL DEFINITELY FACILITATE IT BY THE TIME WE GET THROUGH MANIPULATING THE, THE ORDINANCE. SO YOU'RE GONNA DO UPDATING A MIXED USE BEFORE WE DO THE REZONE. WE'RE GONNA PRESENT IT TO YOU AT THE SAME TIME NEXT MONTH. OKAY. . SO YOU'LL HAVE IT IDENTIFIED BETTER WHAT WE'RE GONNA TAKE OUT OF IT, WHAT WE'RE GONNA PUT IN. IT'S CORRECT, WE'VE ALREADY STARTED DOING THE ASSESSMENT. I SO APPRECIATE THE CITY'S WORK ON THIS. I LOVE THIS IDEA. WILL MIXED USE ALSO INCLUDE, UM, COMMERCIAL ON THE BOTTOM AND CONDOS ON THE TOP? YES MA'AM. THAT ALSO IS INCLUDED WITH THE EXCELLENT. UH, WITH THE CHANGES THAT YOU ALL MADE EARLIER THIS YEAR, WE INCLUDED A MIXED USE BUILDING, SO THAT PRODUCT IS ALREADY INCLUDED. UM, AGAIN, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA EXPAND THIS ACROSS THE CITY, OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT NOT ONLY FITS FOR BLUE HERRING PARKWAY, BUT DOES IT FIT FOR THE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT IT COULD POSSIBLY GO INTO AS WELL? THANK YOU. BRAVO. SO CHRIS, IF I, I WANNA VISUAL ON THIS. AM I THINKING LIKE HOW THEY REIMAGINES THE HEIGHTS? THE HEIGHTS? IS THAT KIND OF WHAT I'M WOULD, WHAT THE VISUAL IS? FOR ME? THAT WOULD BE A PRETTY GOOD, YEAH, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE SHEPHERD AND THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND THEN YOU HAVE THE TOWNHOUSES RIGHT OFF OF IT. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING SIMILAR. YES. I LIKE DONNA REALLY WOOD IS STUDIO WOOD. YEAH. I LIKE DONNA REALLY APPRECIATE THIS AND I'M REALLY EXCITED FOR THIS. IT'S AWESOME. QUESTION WOULD, IN YOUR VISION, WOULD YOU SEE THINGS LIKE BANKS OR DENTIST'S OFFICE AS BEING ALLOWED IN THE MIXED USE? YES, THOSE ARE, AGAIN, SMALLER SCALE, LESS INTENSE [00:35:01] TYPE OF COMMERCIAL USES. OKAY. UH, E EVEN. YEAH. SO YES, THAT WOULD BE PERFECT FOR THIS PARTICULAR PRODUCT THEN. AND THOSE THAT HAVE A FILL OUT, THAT WOULDN'T BE AS ENORMOUS LIKE A GROCERY STORE, SUPERMARKET, THAT KIND OF THING? THAT'S CORRECT. SO YOU'RE NOT GENERATING SMALL CONVENIENCE STORES WOULD BE CONSIDERING OF THAT? YES. SO WE WE'RE TRYING TO STAY AWAY FROM THE REGIONAL TYPE DEVELOPMENT. SO FOR INSTANCE, A WALGREENS IS A REGIONAL TYPE DEVELOPMENT. IT COMES WITH CERTAIN IMPACTS, ET CETERA. UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE SHEER SIZE, RIGHT? SO IF WE CAN KEEP IT TO THAT, BECAUSE CVS BUILT NEXT DOOR , SO IF WE COULD KEEP IT TO THAT SIZE OR SMALLER, THEN THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO HIT THE SWEET SPOT. GOTCHA. MAKES, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? I THINK IT ALSO MAKES SENSE TO, TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE PLAN AS STAFF TO SHOW YOU MORE OF THESE TYPES OF EFFORTS IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME BIG SPOTS OF GREEN ON THE ZONING MAP THAT NOBODY CAN DO ANYTHING WITH. AND SO WE SEE THOSE COME IN AND WE'LL SOMETIMES SEE THESE LITTLE ONE-OFFS TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS TWO ACRES OF WHATEVER THEY WERE ANNEXED INTO 2017 WHEN WE, WHEN WE DID THE BIG ANNEXATION. AND, AND YOU'RE DOING THESE PIECEMEAL DOING IN LITTLE CHUNKS. AND SO THE, THOSE REZONES AND THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT RESULT FROM THOSE REZONES DON'T END UP BEING COORDINATED IN ANY FASHION. THEY DON'T END UP BEING PLANNED IN ANY FASHION. AND WE FEEL OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE THEM WITH SOME SORT OF REZONE BECAUSE AS IT STANDS THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT. THE GREEN ON THE MAP MEANS YOU'RE STUCK WITH WHAT YOU GOT. CAN'T DO ANYTHING ADDITIONAL INCLUDING BUILD ONTO YOUR HOUSE. YOU COULDN'T EVEN DO AN ADDITION TO YOUR HOUSE. SO WHAT WE SEE, THIS IS WHEREVER WE SEE THESE BIG SPLOTCHES OF GREEN ON THE MAP, WE KNOW THAT, THAT THE CITY FOR GOOD OR BAD CREATED THAT. AND SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IS THE CITY TAKE THE INITIATIVE TO SAY, OKAY, AGAIN, THIS IS THE VISION THAT WE SEE BOTH BY THE COMP PLAN AND BY UM, MEETINGS AND, AND INPUT LIKE WHAT, WHAT, UM, TREVOR HAS KIND OF HEADED UP OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS WITH THE NEIGHBORS. UM, AND TAKE ALL THAT INFORMATION AND, AND SAY, OKAY, NOW WE'RE GONNA PLAN FOR THIS WHOLE AREA AND WE'RE GONNA COME IN AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THOSE AREAS DEVELOPABLE ACCORDING TO THAT VISION THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD FOR ANYTHING BUT A PLAT AND, AND THEN COME TO STAFF FOR BUILDING PERMITS. WE'VE CUT A COMPLETE, WE'VE, WE'VE CUT A, A STEP OUT FOR EVERYBODY AND IT ALSO HELPS WITH A LITTLE BIT. UM, I I THINK WE GET A LOT OF SPECULATIVE TYPE UH, DEVELOPMENTS. THIS HELPS WITH THAT AS WELL. 'CAUSE NOW THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, OKAY, WE KNOW WHAT THE CITY WANTS FOR THIS IN THE FUTURE. WE KNOW WHAT THE CITY ALLOWS FOR NOW. AND UM, AND SO LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A, THERE'S A GATEWAY AREA ON, ON I 10 THAT WILL PROBABLY BE ANOTHER ONE THAT YOU'LL SEE WE'RE GONNA DO THE SAME TYPE OF SITUATION WITH. AND WE FEEL THAT THAT'S A BETTER WAY TO PLAN THE CITY. IT'S A BETTER WAY TO AGAIN, KIND OF GET TO THE DEVELOPERS AND, AND UM, AND, AND GET WHAT YOU WANT FOR FOR COMMUNITY. SO, UM, THIS IS THE, JUST THE FIRST STEP IN, IN DOING THAT, DO YOU SEE AT SOME POINT WHEN THE MIXED USE COMES TOGETHER PROPERLY THAT IT WILL REPLACE ALL THAT GREEN OR A LARGE PORTION OF IT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THOSE UNDEVELOPABLE AREAS? UH, THIS WILL DEPEND ON EVERY SPECIFIC AREA. IF, IF YOU LOOK ON THE MAP THAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW, IT'S NOT ALL MIXED USE. THE PURPLE IS THE MIXED USE. YEAH. SO AGAIN, THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT MIXED USE IS A GOOD ONE TO HAVE. BUT THE REQUEST IN FRONT OF YOU, MIXED USE IS ONLY PART OF IT. UHHUH . SO IT WILL DEPEND ON THE AREAS THAT STAFF LOOKS AT TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS A LONG I 10, WELL MIXED USE IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE AS APPROPRIATE LONG I 10. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME GC YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOME LIVING, UH, LIVABLE CENTERS. YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOME, UH, PROBABLY LESS OF THE RESIDENTIAL. SO IT, IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE IT IS, WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND IT. WE WILL USE THE CRITERIA THAT WE ALWAYS WOULD AND THE COMP PLAN TO KIND OF HELP GUIDE OUR, OUR, UM, VISION AS WE GO. OKAY. EXCUSE ME. WE GOOD? YES, MA'AM. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT MONTH, UM, LET STAFF KNOW, UH, BECAUSE YOU GET A A VIEW OF THIS NOW WE'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE WE COME AS PREPARED AS WE CAN FOR, FOR THE, UH, FOR THE ACTUAL REASON. THANK YOU MARK. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU TREVOR. THANK YOU TREVOR. UH, WE'RE [6. CONSENT] AT SIX A UNDER CONSENT AGENDA SIX A, B, AND C. AND WE DO NOT NEED TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE. I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE SIX ITEM SIX A, SIX B AND SIX C. HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HEAR A SECOND? I SECOND. THANK YOU HELEN. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. AYE. THOSE [00:40:01] OPPOSED LIKE SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. MARTIN YOUR [7. DIRECTOR'S REPORT] OWN. MM-HMM . THANK YOU LONNIE. OKAY, SO, UH, WE HAVE UH, A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT THERE WAS SOME, UM, SOME ACTIONS TAKEN SINCE YOUR LAST MEETING. UH, THE FIRST ONE WAS THAT COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, UH, THAT WAS PROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. AND THIS WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING, I THINK, UM, ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT LEVELS. BUT, BUT IT WAS BASICALLY SAYING THAT WE WOULD ALLOW FOR SOME RESIDENTIAL, SOME, SOME MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TYPE PROJECTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE AND LARGE SCALE COMMERCIAL, DEPENDING ON WHAT'S GOING ON. AGAIN, THAT IS A LAND USE THING. THAT'S A COMP PLAN THING, NOT A ZONING THING. SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE GOTTA COUNSEL WAS DOES THAT CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT THE ZONING? IT DOES NOT. THE ZONING STAYS EXACTLY THE SAME. IT JUST MEANS THAT WHEN YOU COME IN AND REQUEST THE ZONING THAT THE LAND USE MAP WILL BE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF THOSE TYPES OF USES IN THESE ZONES OR NOT ZONES IN THESE, UH, DESIGNATIONS. UM, SO THAT WAS APPROVED. SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S PART OF OUR COMP PLAN. NOW, UH, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT ALSO HAD A VARIANCE REQUEST ON ONE 17 NORTH HOLLY DRIVE. UM, THIS WAS A SETBACK REDUCTION AND THIS ACTUALLY WAS KIND OF A DOUBLE WHAMMY. THAT PART OF THIS WAS A CARPORT THAT WAS BUILT WITHOUT A, UH, PERMIT. AND IT WAS NOT ONLY TO THE PROPERTY LINE, IT WAS OVER THE PROPERTY LINE INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO, UM, THEY DENIED THAT VARIANCE REQUEST. SO THE, UM, SO CODE ENFORCEMENT WILL BE HANDLING THAT SITUATION FROM THEN AND NOW. UM, ANOTHER, A COUPLE THINGS. UH, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IF YOU SEE A FAMILIAR FACE, SOME OF YOU WILL NOTICE A FAMILIAR FACE IN THE AUDIENCE. DO YOU GUYS REMEMBER EMILIO? YES. SO EMILIO VARRIO, UH, IS NOW ON STAFF. IF YOU REMEMBER. UH, HE WAS ON STAFF WITH US AS A PLANNER. UM, HE NOW, UH, IS PART OF OUR STAFF AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO, UH, YOU MAY BE SEEING SOME FROM HIM AS WE MOVE FORWARD. WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU REMEMBER, UH, EMILIO'S SMILING FACE AND UH, UH, HE MAY NOT BE SMILING THE WHOLE TIME. I MEAN, HE'S GOT, HE'S GOTTA WORK FOR ME. SO, UH, IT IS WHAT IT'S UH, SO WELCOME EMILIO. WELCOME, WELCOME. AND UH, FINALLY, UH, HOPEFULLY YOU NOTICE THE SECOND, UM, AGENDA FOR TONIGHT. WE ARE DOING SOME MORE TRAINING TONIGHT IN THIS ROOM BACK HERE. SO I HOPE YOU ALL WILL JOIN US. UM, WE ARE REALLY, WE ARE REALLY GOING TO, TO, UH, FOCUS ON, UH, MEETINGS. SO , SO 30, 30 MINUTES, IS THAT IT? UM, HOWEVER LONG WE IT TAKES IS HOW LONG IT TAKES. SO, UM, BUT AS YOU KNOW, WE DID SOME TRAINING, NOT LAST MONTH, BUT THE MONTH BEFORE. AND I THINK THAT WAS TIME WELL SPENT. SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP DOING THESE TYPES OF THINGS PROBABLY EVERY OTHER MONTH UNTIL WE KIND OF NAILED DOWN ALL THE THINGS THAT WE NEED. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT. ALL SPEAK AT THE SAME TIME. , ARE WE ADJOURNED? I HEAR A MOTION TO ADJOURN. . I A WE ADJOURNED? YES. FIVE. YEAH. I LIKE THE DIRECTION. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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