[CALL TO ORDER AND ANNOUNCEMENT OF QUORUM]
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I AM GOING TO, YOU KNOW, I, I TOOK SOME NOTES.
I THINK LAURA TOOK SOME NOTES AS WELL.
SO IF I MISS ANY QUESTIONS, GUYS, Y'ALL JUST TAG ONTO ME AND WE'LL JUST, WE'LL FIRE AWAY IF THAT'S OKAY.
SO WE'LL JUST TAKE IT FROM THE TOP ON
[1.a. Discuss the City of Baytown FY 2023 Proposed Capital Improvement Program and Funding.]
FACILITIES, PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING CHIEF CHIEFS.SO THE 2.5 MILLION FOR FURNITURE, ALL NEW FURNITURE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA REUSE ANY FURNITURE, UH, THAT WE CONSIDER IT SUBSTANDARD OR WE JUST WANT NEW FURNITURE OR THIS SAYS FURNITURE, FIXTURES AND EQUIPMENT.
SO FURNITURE, FIXTURES AND EQUIPMENT.
THIS COULD BE THE CRIME LAB EQUIPMENT.
ALL THAT, AS YOU KNOW, IN OUR CURRENT FACILITY IS VERY, VERY SMALL.
SO WE HAVE KIND A BIG IMPROVEMENT IN OUR FINGER PRUNING.
OUR VEHICLE EVIDENCE IS ALL GONNA BE THERE.
THERE'S SOME BLOOD PROCESSING.
AND THEN OUR PROPERTY, THAT'S A MAJOR, MAJOR CONCERN IS OUR EVIDENCE AND PROPERTY SEARCH.
SO NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE OUTSIDE EQUIPMENT THAT'S IN THE IMPOUND AND FOR VEHICLE PROCESSING AND SO FROM OTHER THINGS OUT THERE, BUT WE ARE IN SIX CONEXES, THIS IS HARRIS COUNTY CASES THAT CANNOT BE KIND OF JUST PUT IN DIGITAL FORMAT.
SO WE HAVE A, SOME THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN, IT'S ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS IN ALL THIS HEAVY DUTY STORAGE AND IT GOES UP, YOU KNOW, 14 FEET HIGH AND IT'S, IT'S EXPENSIVE BUT IT'S NEEDED.
AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST KIND OF QUIBBLING OUT LITTLE PLACES FOR IT TO GO.
SO IT CONSOLIDATES AND BUILDS ROOM FOR THE FUTURE.
AM I SAYING ANYTHING INCORRECT? SO THAT INCLUDES A LOT OF SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT.
SO OF THIS WHOLE PROJECT, IF WE THINK ABOUT 66 MILLION WAS GIVEN TO US FROM ENTERPRISE, ABOUT 60 MILLION IS IN OUR HARD CONSTRUCTION COSTS, ABOUT 4.5 OF, IN ADDITION TO THAT IS THE DESIGN THAT IT TAKES FOR ALL OF THESE DESIGNERS TO PUT OVER EIGHT BUILDINGS TOGETHER AND BUILD YEAH, ALL OF THAT.
SO THERE'S SOME SPECIALIZED TRADES.
SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, OUR F, F AND E IS OVER AND ABOVE THAT 66 MILLION.
AND SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ALSO SAID LET'S DO ANOTHER FUEL DEPOT SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE ONE, AN ADDITIONAL STORAGE, RIGHT.
THAT'S ALSO ROLLED IN TO THIS AMOUNT.
SO THAT WE HAVE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FREEWAY, WE HAVE ON BOTH SIDES OF TOWN.
AND AS YOU KNOW, IN THE FREEZE, WE KIND OF HAD A MAJOR SCENARIO WHERE WE WERE THANKFUL FOR EXXON IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
WE'RE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL FUEL STATION AT THIS SITE THAT WASN'T CONSIDERED IN THE PLANS OR WHATEVER.
AND WE HAVE DONE AN EARLY PURCHASE OF ABOUT 114,000 OF THE TANK TO KEEP AHEAD OF MATERIAL ESCALATION.
SO THE BALANCE OF THAT 800, IT'S VERY, VERY MINIMAL FOR DESIGN.
SO IT'S UNDER 50 FOR DESIGN, BUT FOR THAT DISPENSING AND THE CANOPY AND THIS SYSTEM, IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IT'S EQUIVALENT TO PUBLIC WORKS, IT'S SMALLER AND IT'LL HAVE ONE TANK THAT'S SPLIT GASOLINE AND DIESEL.
THE, THE COST FOR THE, THE TANK DID, BUT NOT THE REST OF IT.
SO WE STILL HAVE ABOUT 650 A LOT.
THIS IS FOR EQUIPMENT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO IT'S, IT'S, SO BASICALLY IN OUR CURRENT FACILITY AND CHIEF JUMPIN, WE DON'T HAVE THE HIGH DENSITY STORAGE AND THE, BASICALLY WE'VE GONE UP AS, I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT ROOM IS AS BIG AS THIS ROOM, BUT THE ROOM'S IS TAKEN CARE OF WITH CONSTRUCTION.
SO WHAT EQUIPMENT ARE WE SHELVING THAT COMPRESSES AND IT GOES UP HIGH.
AND THEN WE HAVE A REFRIGERATED UNIT FOR ALL OF OUR, WE'LL CALL IT ORGANIC MATERIAL THAT CANNOT SPOIL MORE SPECIFIC BLOOD EVIDENCE.
BIOLOGICAL THAT WHAT I BIOLOGICAL.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST ALL BLOOD THOUGH.
KEITH, THAT WASN'T ANTICIPATED IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN AND OH, I'M SORRY.
DO WHAT? THAT WAS NOT ANTICIPATED IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN AND COST.
WELL I'M NOT SURE WHERE THEY HAD IT THAT WAS IN THERE.
I MEAN WE KNEW WE WERE GONNA HAVE, WE HAVE OLD REFRIGERATORS NOW THAT ARE THERE, BUT WITH EXPANSION AND GOING INTO THE NEXT FUTURE YEARS,
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UM, AND THE AMOUNT OF RAPE KITS THAT WE'RE NOW REQUIRED TO HAVE TO KEEP, UH, THAT'S WHY WE ARE ADDING, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE WHILE SINCE THIS WAS FIRST APPROVED.SO I, I THINK WE ALWAYS HAVE TO ANTICIPATE THAT REGULATIONS CHANGE AND FIRE CASES, REGULATIONS WERE, AND AND I'M NOT DISCOUNTING IT, I'M JUST SAYING THAT TYPICALLY BUILDING OR CONSTRUCTION OR SOMETHING THIS SIZE, A LOT OF THIS IS BUILT INTO THE ORIGINAL COST.
TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS COMPARED TO 60 MILLION.
IT'S NOT THAT MUCH, BUT IT'S STILL A LOT OF GROWTH.
SO WE THINK ABOUT WHEN WE, WHEN WE FIRST KIND OF CONCEIVED OF THIS AND WHAT BUILDING FOOTPRINT THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN, WE ALSO HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE WITH AN OLD UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANK FROM ALL THAT, ALL OF THAT.
SO NONE OF THAT HAS BEEN, UM, DISCOUNTED AT ALL TOGETHER WITH, WE STARTED DESIGN THREE YEARS AGO AND WE WENT INTO COVID.
WE TRIED VERY, VERY HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CONSTRUCTION COSTS WERE ON POINT TO EVEN REBID WITH PHASE ONE B AND PHASE TWO AND THREE.
SO WE WOULD HAVE ECONOMY OF SCALES WOULD BE ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING.
I'M NOT TARGETING ANY OF THAT.
NO, NO, NO, THAT'S UNDERSTAND MY CONCERN IS IS THAT THAT WE HAD TO KEEP THE CONSTRUCTIONS COST AND TOTAL COST DOWN.
WE JUST LEFT TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OFF TO THE SIDE TO COME BACK LATER TO GET IT.
I'M, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT.
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PROCESS.
IF THIS TWO AND A HALF MILLION HAD BEEN IN 3 MILLION IN EARLIER, I DIDN'T AN ISSUE.
WELL IT'S KIND OF A RELATIONSHIP TO 30% ESCALATION IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF.
THE CHOICE OF NOT PART THIS, THERE'S NO ESCALATION COMMENTS IN HERE AT ALL.
IT'S PUTTING IN ACCOUNT OR REDUCING SOME SCOPE PROJECT THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WITH ESCALATING COSTS, YOU EITHER HAVE TO REDUCE THE SCOPE OR FIND THE MONEY ELSEWHERE THAT'S RECOMMENDING.
SO IT'S REMAIN AN ESCALATING COSTS.
WHY JUST SAY THAT THIS SPEAKS TO DIRECTLY WHAT IT IS NOT NECESSARILY THE REASON THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE WAY THIS DESCRIPTION WAS BUILT IS TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS.
BUT TO MY, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR QUESTIONS 'CAUSE IT'S COMING OUT, BUT WHY, BUT TO MIKE'S POINT, I MEAN WE HAD FFF AND E, THE ORIGINAL BUDGET DUE TO ESCALATIONS.
WE'RE MOVING SOME THINGS AROUND AND AND DEDICATING 2.5 LINE ITEM NOW TRYING TO SPREAD IT ACROSS ESCALATIONS FOR EVERYTHING.
YEAH, WELL I MEAN WE NEED TO KNOW WHY, WHERE IT'S GOING.
BAR, WE'LL MOVE ON COURTS MAYBE, MAYBE ONE OF THE UM, FOLKS CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION.
JUST DO WE DO A NEEDS ASSESSMENT WHERE FRANK, YES SIR.
ANDRE, DO WE HAVE A NEEDS ASSESSMENT ON THAT? YES, AND WE DO, WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT WE DO NEED TO SPEND MORE THAN $800,000 ON THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING.
SO WE DID A FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND I CAN PASS THIS AROUND, IT'S LIKE THE SHEETS FROM THE REPORT.
BUT BASICALLY WE HAVE MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, AND PLUMBING NEEDS.
WE HAVE A ROOF THAT REALLY NEEDS REPLACEMENT.
IT'S BEEN DEFERRED SO LONG THAT IT'S EITHER 80% MAJOR REPAIR OR A HUNDRED PERCENT REPLACEMENT.
SO THIS IS JUST, WE'RE, WE'RE EXTREMELY UNFORGIVING CLIMATE.
SO WE HAVE ABOUT 400,000 FOR THE ROOF AND THE BALANCE OF THAT FOR 80 YEAR ACCESSIBILITY OF UPGRADE.
SO THE SO MORE THAN 50% IS ROOF ALONE? YES.
MAJOR REPAIR FOR THE FLOOR FOR REPLACEMENT.
SO THIS IS USED 20, YOU KNOW IT'S, IT'S USED EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR EXCEPT FOR DURING COVID WE HAD A LITTLE BIT
BUT THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL RECONFIGURATION.
IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE COSTS THAT WERE ADDED TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY PROJECT, WHICH ARE A RESTROOM BECAUSE THERE IS NO RESTROOM AND PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO WALK CLEAR ACROSS TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY SO THAT ONLY AFTER YOU CLEAR SECURITY IS THERE ONE SINGLE ONE MODE FOR EVERYBODY IN TWO COURTROOMS. SO WE ARE ADDING THAT, BUT THAT IS ABOUT 600,000 THAT'S NOW IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY PROJECT.
SO TO MIKE'S POINT EARLIER, I THINK THAT ALSO MAYBE IS AN EXPLANATION FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, FACILITY.
SO THOSE ARE CONSTRUCTION COSTS, BUT IT'S NEEDED IF YOU HAVE BOTH COURTROOMS IN SESSION OR YOU'RE DOING JURY SELECTION AND A COURTROOM SESSION, THAT'S GONNA BE VERY HARD, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE FOLKS TO CONTINUE TO MOVE ON.
SO IN THEIR OFFICES THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF RECONFIGURATION
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AND THERE'S SOME MINOR AREAS IN THE BUILDING THAT WE'VE REALLY GOTTA DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS.WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF FLOODING EVENTS.
WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF FLORIDA WET, IF YOU RECALL, IN THAT LOBBY WHEN WE HAD HARVEY, THERE WAS A LOT OF WATER DAMAGE ON THE PANELS THAT WERE UP AGAINST THE COUNTERS.
SO THAT'S ALL PART OF SOME OF THIS, WE'LL CALL IT BUILDING RENOVATION, NOT A PART OF THE ROOF.
ALL OF THE RENOVATION PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE SCHEDULED, WE'RE PART OF THAT FACILITY THAT THE PLAN.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO PACKAGE THE PRINT ONE PACKAGE, STARTING DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION 24.
SO A LOT OF THE COSTS YOU'LL SEE FOR FACILITIES ARE JUST DESIGNED 24.
THE COURTS WOULD BE ONE OF THEM LOT THE FIRE STATIONS ARE INCLUDED.
ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH, STERLING LIBRARY, PART OF THAT FACILITY SYSTEM.
AND NOW WE'RE TRYING TO PACKAGE THOSE INTO 23 SIGN OFF IMPROVEMENTS.
THE MUNICIPAL COURTS BUILDING.
WE'RE TRYING TO BREAK DOWN CONSTRUCTION DESIGN WHEN THAT, THAT NUMBER WOULD INCLUDE THAT 400 WAS TO THE ROOF.
SO THAT INCLUDES CONSTRUCTION.
SO IT'S, IT'S CONSTRUCTION, UM, THAT'S WHAT IT IS IN DESIGN.
DESIGN SERVING IS 90 AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTIONS.
AND PART OF THIS IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST THE PORTION OF HOW WE'RE FUNDING IT.
SO THE OTHER COMPONENTS THAT IS PROBABLY THE ONLY 1 7 59.
WE'RE ADDING 88 COMPLIANT RESTROOMS TO THE COURT IS WHAT I GATHER.
OH WELL THERE'S ONE COMMODE FOR, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE OVER 150 PEOPLE.
SO 75 AGREE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT PART IS COST READY.
PART OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING COST 600,000 ROUGHLY.
SO WHERE WE BUILD IT IN THE MUNICIPAL COURT.
IT'S BUILDING IT ONTO THE MUNICIPAL COURT AS PART PHASE THREE.
THAT RESTROOM IS NOT A PART OF THIS CAUSE THAT WE SEE IN THIS MINE ITEM SAFETY BUILDING.
THAT'S NOT PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY.
THAT'S WHY I GET PAID THE BIG BUCKS.
WELL WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A PLACE FOR EVERYTHING AND I APPRECIATE YOUR POSITION.
YOU'RE JUST SEEING ONE LITTLE SECTION AT A TIME, SO OKAY, LOWER IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT LINE ITEM.
AND THAT'S POLICE RANGE TRAINING.
THAT'S A SHOOT HOUSE MUNITION BUILDING 30 32.
AND THE GRAPEVINE, THIS IS A MR. HOLDEN PROJECT SO TO SPEAK,
AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT IT INITIATED.
SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK TO YOU HERE TO ANSWER SOME OF OUR QUESTIONS.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTION DOWN HERE.
I GUESS MAYBE JUST GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.
WHAT DO WE USE NOW? UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU FEEL THE PRIORITY AND AND HOW CRUCIAL IT IS TO DO THIS NOW AND WHY? OKAY, QUESTION.
SO BASICALLY WHAT WE HAVE AT THE RANGE RIGHT NOW IS ONE CLASSROOM THAT'S, UH, NO BIGGER THAN THIS ROOM ITSELF.
IT WAS BUILT BY THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS PROBABLY ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO.
IT'S ALL WOOD FRAME AND IT'S DETERIORATING, ROTTING, UH, AND IT'S USED AS A CLASSROOM SO THAT THE INSTRUCTORS CAN COME IN THERE.
SO AT THE RANGE, THAT'S THE CLASSROOM.
THE MUNITION SIDE OF IT IS, IF YOU'VE BEEN TO OUR GYM, THERE'S A MUNITIONS HOUSE INSIDE OUR GYM THAT WE SET UP IN THERE.
'CAUSE WE HAD NO OTHER LOCATION TO SET THIS UP AT.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS MOVING THAT MUNITIONS HOUSE OUT OF THE GYM WITH THE CURRENT FACILITY AND PUTTING IT INTO THE LOCATION OF THIS NEW BUILDING THAT'S OUT THERE AT THE RANGE, INCORPORATING CLASSROOMS IN THE MUNITION INTO THE BUILDING.
DO ASK ANY QUESTIONS? UM, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD IS BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN I SPOKE TO SOME OF YOUR, UM, TRAINERS DURING THE FAST TRAINING, THEY MENTIONED HAVING, UH, A POSSIBLE CATWALK MM-HMM
IS THAT GONNA BE INCORPORATED OR WE'RE NOT? IT IS.
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SOME OF THE DESIGNS THEY'VE COME BACK AND KIND OF SHOWED US WITH IT IS BASICALLY A TWO TIER ROUTE, SO SMALLER OVER THE CLASSROOM IN THE OFFICE AREA AND THEN ON THE BACKSIDE IT'S TALLER AND IT INCORPORATES THAT WITH THE CATWALK ABOVE IT SO THAT THEY CAN OBSERVE THE TRAIN TRAINERS CAN OBSERVE THE TRAINEES IN THIS AMMUNITION DOWN BELOW.NOW IS THIS NEW FACILITY, UM, ALSO GOING TO BE EASIER TO KIND OF MANEUVER AROUND IF Y'ALL NEED TO MOVE IT TO A DIFFERENT SCENARIO? BECAUSE I KNOW THE CURRENT ONE IN THE GYM IS SO HEAVY THAT YOU CAN'T REALLY RECONFIGURE IT.
SO WE'RE GONNA UTILIZE THE ONE WE HAVE IN THE GYM, BUT WE HAVE MORE SPACE.
AND THIS IS GONNA BE BASICALLY A 40 BY 40 AREA WHERE HOW IT'S SET UP IN THE GYM IS 20 BY 30.
AND THERE'S NOT, OF COURSE THE GYM GIVES YOU SOME OF THE, BUT WE'LL INCORPORATE IT.
WE CAN TAKE THE SECTIONS OUT AND WE CAN FIGURE HOW WE NEED TO.
AND MY, MY QUESTIONS REALLY COME TO FROM WHAT WE DISCUSSED BEFORE AND WILL THERE BE ANY SURPRISES LATER ON? SO I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT WAS CAPTURED IN THIS.
WELL WE HAVE PRESENTED IN FRONT OF YOU IS AN ALTERNATIVE FUNDING TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
SO IT'S ABOUT 1.2 MILLION, ABOUT 200,000 THAT'S SLATED FOR THAT CATWALK.
SO WHAT WE'VE PRESENTED IS AN ALTERNATIVE TO FUND 500,000 FROM C CCPD.
THAT'S THE FIRST RED LINE ON THE HANDOUT IN FRONT OF YOU.
AND SO WE WERE LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE MEANS TO FUND THAT CATWALK.
SO DEPENDING ON YOUR DECISION OR YOUR PREFERENCE, THAT'S KIND OF A, WE PREFACE WHAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, SO WE ORIGINALLY PRESENTED IN THE IP UH, A DEBT ISSUANCE OF 45.
WE WERE TOLD THAT YOU WANTED TO SEE SOME OPTIONS WITH AND SO THAT IS WHAT MM-HMM
IT'S SOMETHING THAT SOME OPTIONS WE ALTERNATIVE FUNDING AND DEFER SOME PROJECTS SO THAT WE COULD HAVE 30 MILLION THAT THAT IS WHAT YOU SEE HERE TODAY.
LET US KNOW OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
PEPPER IT IS AS WE CONTINUE TO GO ADD OR A DEUCE AND KNOW MY MATH IS LAW, BUT WE GOT 500,000 HERE AND 500,000 POTENTIALLY AT THOUSAND.
SO THAT WOULD BE UNFUNDED AT THIS TIME UNLESS YOU ALL DESIRE TO KEEP IT INCLUDED.
WE HAVE A HUNDRED, ABOUT 150,000.
SO TRAINING, SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE CONTRACT WITH DEA UTILIZES OUR RANGE.
SO YEARLY, DEA SENDS US MONEY.
SO FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS, OR SAY FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, WE'VE BEEN TAKING THAT MONEY AND PUTTING INTO BASICALLY THAT ACCOUNT RIGHT BEFORE DOING THIS BUILDING.
SO YEAH, I BELIEVE WE HAD 155.
SO WITH, WITH THAT, AND IF WE HAD TO, COULD WE FIND SEIZURES? UH, THE BALANCE OF, WELL IT'S EITHER THAT OR WE CAN LOOK AT, SO LIKE THE EQUIPMENT AND FURNITURE WE ALREADY HAVE THE MUNITIONS HOUSE, SO WE DON'T NEED TO BUY THAT.
THE FURNITURE THAT WE'LL UTILIZE THAT GOES INTO THAT IS FURNITURE THAT IF THIS GOES IN PLAY WITH US MOVING INTO OUR NEW FACILITY IS WE'LL UTILIZE SOME OF THE FURNITURE THAT WE HAVE CURRENT, LET'S PUT THAT INTO THE OFFICES AND YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SAFETY WAS ALL IMPORTANT WITH OUR STRATEGIC GOALS.
AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE NUMBERS LIE AND THIS WILL, AND ANOTHER KIND OF WHY BEHIND THIS IS, UM, THIS WILL ALLOW US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN USE THAT, UH, THAT GYM SPACE WHERE THIS AMMUNITIONS HOUSE CURRENTLY SITS TO BE ABLE TO DO THINGS LIKE DEFENSIVE TACTICS TRAINING, WHICH HAS BEEN SORELY LACKING FOR THE PD FOR, FOR QUITE A WHILE.
WE HAVE A NEW SYSTEM THAT WE BROUGHT IN AND WHEN THE INSTRUCTOR CAME IN FROM OUT OF STATE, WE ACTUALLY HAD TO GO OVER TO BARBERSVILLE SCHOOL TO FIND ENOUGH SPACE TO BE ABLE TO, TO TEACH OUR INSTRUCTORS.
SO WE WE'VE GOT THAT SPACE DOWN THERE THAT WE REALLY CAN'T EVEN USE TO, UH, TO TRAIN EARL PEOPLE, UH, WITH THAT HOUSE BEING FIXED STATICALLY.
SO LIKE YOU SAID, THAT A CONTRACTS WITH US TO USE IT RESULT, WE DID HAVE THAT AT 155,000.
I MADE A NOTE THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE OR FORESEE ANY OTHER, I MEAN IF THIS WAS
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DONE, IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER IT STATE OF THE ART? YEAH, I MEAN WE HAVE TWO CLASSROOMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE OUT THERE.MUNITIONS HOUSE WITH AN OBSERVATION ABOVE.
YEAH, IT'LL, IT'LL PUT, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE BEHIND THE TIMES COMPARED TO OTHER JURISDICTIONS NOT HAVING IT NOW? OR, OR IF THERE'S ANY CHANCE THAT AS THE DEA OTHER JURISDICTIONS WOULD WANT UTILIZE IT, I WOULD, I KNOW DEA WOULD UTILIZE IT WITH BEING PART OF THE RANGE.
THEY HAVE BASICALLY A SET NUMBER OF RANGE DAYS OUT THERE AND THEY COULD UTILIZE IT FOR THE TRAINING.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE GAME WARDENS.
WE HAVE SOME OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT COME OUT TO OUR RANGE OF DO TRAINING THAT THEY COULD UTILIZE THE MUNITIONS FOR ACTIVE SHOOTER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM HERE.
SO SORELY NEEDED, OKAY, SO MOVING DOWN, UH, RANGE TRAINING PROJECT.
SO YES, THIS IS FOR THE CHIEF.
I ACTUALLY ASKED THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT THIS.
HE SAID HE THOUGHT WE WERE JUST KEEPING THE FIREBOAT ON THE TRAILER AT ONE OF THE STATIONS.
BUT I ACTUALLY, WHEN I GRABBED A FEW DAYS AGO, I SAW THE BOAT TIED UP TO THE DOCK THERE AND UH, THE MARINA.
SO DID WE KEEP IT OR TO THE DOCK IN THE WATER AT ALL TIMES OR DO WE EVER TRAILER IT AND TAKE IT TO A STATION? NO, THE UM, THE ORIGINAL BOAT THAT WE HAD, THE RESCUE BOAT DIDN'T HAVE A FIRE PUMP AND THAT WAS KEPT OVER ON MAINE, UM, SOUTH MAIN.
AND SO WHENEVER THEY GET A CALL, THEY'D RUN OVER, PICK IT UP, TAKE IT OUT TO THE MARINA AND PUT IT IN THE WATER.
UM, WE RECEIVED THE FIREBOAT WITH THE PUMP IN 2018.
WE PUT IT IN AT THE MARINA TO RESPONSE TIMES WERE SO GREAT THAT DEER, IT DIDN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE TO LEAVE IT OUT IN THE WATER, ESPECIALLY IN THE BOAT LIKE THIS.
SO YEAH, SO WE'VE KEPT IT IN THE WATER SINCE WE, WE GOT THE BOAT IN 2018 AND UM, WE'RE GETTING VIA OBVIOUSLY BARNACLE BUILD UP PRETTY QUICKLY.
WE TAKE IT OUT ABOUT EVERY SIX MONTHS OR SO.
SCRAPE THE BOTTOM, IT SLOWS IT DOWN CONSIDERABLY OVER TIME.
SO THAT VOTE, WE, I THINK THE CITY RECEIVED A GRANT FOR 100% ACQUISITION OR 80 OR, I MEAN, CORRECT.
FEDERAL GRANT AND UM, SHIP CHANNEL GRANT TOGETHER FUNDED IT 100%.
I MEAN, DO YOU THINK THERE'S ANY POSSIBILITY WHATSOEVER? POSSIBLY WE COULD TRY TO DO GRANT FUNDING OWN HOUSE AND THE LIFT WE TRIED, WE WENT TO THEM AND ASKED YEAH.
HELP INSTEAD IT DIDN'T QUALIFY.
WE TRY TO HOUSE BOTH OF THOSE.
THERE STILL
UH, WE HAVEN'T REALLY DECIDED.
I THINK WE MIGHT EVEN, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE OTHER BOAT GOING OVER TO THE DIVE TEAM OR SOMETHING.
SO THAT BE THE BOAT THAT WE WOULD USE I TO MAKE SURE THAT YEAH, YEAH.
THE OTHER ONE WOULD STAY OUT OF THE WATER.
TAKE IT OVER TO THE VALUE YOU ARE SAYING.
THE MAJORITY OF THE 500,000 DEDICATED TO CONSTRUCTION, WILL THE MAJORITY BE TO THE LIFT OR THROUGH BOATHOUSE OF THE 500, THEY'RE EQUALLY EXPENSIVE.
I, I DON'T HAVE A, AN ESTIMATE, I DON'T HAVE A DESIGN YET.
I'M REALLY TRYING TO DO THIS THROUGH PURCHASING WHERE WE JUST WORKED WITH THE VENDOR.
WE'VE ALREADY TALKED TO HERE SOME, UH, SPECIFICATIONS ON THE TYPE COVER.
ONCE IT'S FUNDED, TRY TO AVOID PROCESS 30, 38.
SO THE INTENT IS TO TAKE THAT LAST TICKLE, THE LAST SLIP WE'RE DIFFERENT.
SO CURRENTLY YOU HAVE A WALKWAY THAT'S BASICALLY PARTICULAR.
SO TAKE OUT THAT SECTION OUT AND THE HIGHLANDS RIGHT THERE FOR THE COVER.
THE SIZE OF THE BOAT DESIGNING
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WELL THE LIFT DOES NOT HAVE TO COVER, DOES NOT HAVE TO SUPPORT THE LIFT.THE LIFT SITS IN FLOAT LIFT, FLOAT LIFT.
IS THAT WHAT THE UM, AND THE, AND THE BOAT DIDN'T FIT AND THE SLIPS THE WAY THEY ARE AND THAT'S WHY WE TOOK THE LAST TWO ATTORNEYS.
SO IT'S, IT'S TWO SLIPS WORTH GUESS IS TO HELP YOU WITH THAT.
AND THEN YOU ORIENTED THAT SIDEWAYS AND JUST ABOUT FOUR TIMES IT FEELS LIKE THE SIZE OF THE LITTLE ONE THAT WE HAD.
THE ONE THAT INSPECT THE BOAT SO HE KNOWS
DOES IT HAVE IT IN THE POINT IS FOR A 38 FOOT BOAT WITH BEAM, PROBABLY CLOSE TO 15 FOOT, 500,000 CONSTRUCTION PER THE TRUCTURE AND EVERYTHING IS PROBABLY COMPARED TO WHAT? YEAH, I'M SURE YOURS.
NO, SEE IT'S AGAIN, WEATHERING AND EVERYTHING ELSE YOU'LL HAVE ON THE SUNSHINE AND THE WEATHER THERE NO OTHER SURPLUS FINDING IN THE FIRE CONTROL.
WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO UM, ISOLATE THE FIRE CONTROL FUNDS FROM FIRE APP REPLACEMENT SO THAT WE STAY ON THE SCHEDULE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CONTINGENCY LEFT.
UM, IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT THE TAX REVENUE COMES IN.
IF IT COMES IN HIGH, YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME, OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON.
SO WE'LL JUST KIND OF TAKE THE, ALL THE FIRE STATIONS HERE IN ONE SWOOP.
SO WE, WE SEE, I MEAN CLEARLY WE'RE ALL INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH THE NEED TO REPLACE FIRE STATION NUMBER TWO.
WE, WE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR YEARS.
SO I THINK THERE THE OTHER, THE OTHERS WE SEE IT'S WHETHER IT'S 4, 5, 6, 7 AND EVEN THE SOUTH COMMAND, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE DOING ALL THE DESIGN WORK THIS YEAR.
SO WE WOULD HAVE A LARGE EXPENSE ON ALL OF THAT THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
WE FOLLOWING TWO YEARS, ALL TWO YEARS DEPENDING ON HOW WE PACKAGE MOST OF THEM ARE THAT IS AGAIN PART OF WHAT IS THAT? WOULD IT THOSE THAT WOULD BE STAGGERED TO THE NEXT TWO YEARS BE OUT OF THE DESIGN PHASE, BE OUTTA DATE? UM, WE ALL THESE, IF THEY'RE DESIGNING, THERE'S SOME THAT ARE PREFERRED, ARE DESIGNED 23 CONSTRUCTION.
SO PART OF MY, OUR DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE, PART OF MY CONCERN IS WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF DESIGN BETWEEN THREE, UH, UM, AT A POINT IN TIME.
I MEAN, SO WHAT HAPPENS IN COME IN HERE AND SAY, OH WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
WE INSTALL IT THREE OR 4 MILLION YEARS.
IF IT'S TWO, THREE YEARS OLD HAVE TO REDESIGN.
BESIDES YOU DON'T WANT TO DO FACILITY RENOVATIONS, THEN CANCEL IT NOW.
I GUESS MAYBE THE QUESTION IS THOUGH, FRANK, IT IS.
I I WISH SPEAK TO, BUT IS THERE A PRIORITIZATION OUT PLAN FOR, ARE ALL OF THESE, I HAVE THE HEATS IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT THEM, MAYBE YOU CAN JUST GIVE US A COPY.
BUT, BUT IS Y'ALL'S OPINION FIVE, SIX AND SEVEN ARE ALL CRITICAL CURRENT TIME.
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FOUR WE'RE WORKING ON A FEMALE RESTROOM AND LOCKER AND WHILE WE WERE DOING THAT WORK, WE DISCOVERED A LARGE AMOUNT OF MOLD AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE ROOF HAD DETERIORATED SO BAD.SO THAT WAS AN IMMEDIATE EMERGENCY REPAIR.
AND RON REMEMBERS THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND WE HAD TO DO SOME MORE ADDITIONAL COSTS TO REMEDIATE THAT MOLD AND COMPLETELY SEAL IT UP.
SO WE HAVE SOME DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ON A LOT OF THE FIRE STATIONS.
THERE'S ANOTHER FIRE STATION ON MASS E THAT HAS HAD SOME FLOODING DAMAGE.
SO WATER INSTEAD OF COMING FROM ABOVE, CAME UP FROM BELOW.
AND IT'S NO SECRET WHERE THEY'RE THERE ALL THE TIME.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT SOME FIRE STATION REMODELS, MAYBE THAT'S ALSO DUE TO JUST AGE OVER TIME, BUT ALSO THAT WE'RE MODERNIZING OUR FACILITIES.
SO NOT ALL FACILITIES HAVE EVERYTHING MALE AND FEMALE SAID NOT ONLY APPLIES TO FIRE FACILITY, OTHER CITY FACILITIES, THE SAME COMMISSION OF THIS PACKAGE.
MY SIDE OF IT, YOU FAMILIAR? I DON'T MEAN WITH FIREFIGHTERS OTHERS, BUT STATION FOUR OR STATION TWO IS GONNA HAVE TO BE REPLACED.
I KNOW, BUT STATION FOUR IN MY OPINION WOULD BE THE NEXT ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED OR EVEN POTENTIALLY RELOCATED BECAUSE IT'S IN A HOT SPOT.
IT'S VERY, SO AGAIN, SO I'M, I'M, I'M LOOKING OUT TRYING TO LOOK OUT 3, 5, 7, 8 YEARS OR WHATEVER AND IT'S NOT GOOD TO LOOK AT TYPE SURVEY DESIGNED TO REPLACE STATION FOUR.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO DO BOTH RESPECTFULLY.
I THINK WE HAVE TO DO THE REPAIR.
YEAH, YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING NOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SHEET, RIGHT? SO THIS IS ALL THE RED AND YELLOW CRITICAL.
SO THAT, THAT TO ME I THINK, YOU KNOW THAT PART, WE HAVE ALL THESE SHEETS FOR THE FIRE STATIONS BEFORE I CAN JUST PULL THAT ONE UP AND YOU'LL SEE THAT'S FROM THE FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT, RIGHT? THAT'S JUST A REAL EASY VISUAL.
ANYTHING THAT'S READ IS CRITICAL.
SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS I THINK THAT IT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOTTA DO THIS REPAIR, BUT IF WE DON'T, FACILITIES WILL NOT FUNCTION IN THE WAY THAT WE WANT THEM TO FUNCTION OR REQUIRE THEM TO FUNCTION.
AND I THINK FOR ME, WHEN WE INITIALLY REVIEWED THIS, WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THAT BACKGROUND.
SO WHICH IS WHY WE WANTED TO HAVE THIS MEETING MM-HMM
AND SO I TRUST THAT WHAT Y'ALL HAVE PUT IN YOUR FACILITIES MAINTENANCE PLAN AND REVIEW, UM, IS WHAT IS NEEDED.
AND SO THAT'S MY VIEWPOINT AND UM, I A COUPLE OF SILLY QUESTIONS BUT UM, BECAUSE WE ARE DOING SO MANY OF THEM AT ONCE, UM, WHOEVER'S DOING THE DESIGN, UH, ARE WE GETTING LIKE A GOOD RATE THAT THEY'RE DOING ALL OF 'EM AT ONCE? UM, THERE IS AN ECONOMIC SKILL LIKE, AND THEN PRESS THE SIDE.
UM, ONCE, IF THE BUDGET IS APPROVED, THEN WE'LL START THAT PROCESS IN OCTOBER.
AND THEN MY NEXT SILLY QUESTION, UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT WE HAD NOT FLOODING FROM ABOVE FROM BELOW.
DO ANY OF OUR FACILITIES OR DOES THE CITY KIND OF LIKE A HOME YOU HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE? DO WE HAVE INSURANCE FOR ANY OF OUR FACILITIES THAT WE UTILIZE FUNDING FOR DML, SO SURE.
SO THEY'RE, WE DO GET INSURANCE PROCEED FOR INSURANCE.
SO HERE, YOU KNOW, WELL WE HAVE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ON THESE FACILITIES, YADA YADA.
WE EVER BUDGETED MONEY FOR PREVENT MAINTENANCE ON ANNUAL BASIS SO WE DON'T INCUR SO MUCH DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AT ONE TIME? WELL NOW WE DO.
SO WE DO NOW FACILITIES MAINTENANCE USED TO BE MANAGED OUT OF FINANCE AND THEN IT MOVED TO PUBLIC WORKS WITH HEAVEN HAR OKAY.
SO WHEN WE DID THAT, WE, YEAH, VERY, VERY RECENTLY.
SO WE TOOK ALL THE FIN FINANCES FOR FACILITY RENOVATION FOR MAINTENANCE AND BRIDGING AND THEN THAT BECAME SOME, I'LL SAY VERY SMALL, BUT WE BEGAN TO SEE THE GAP BETWEEN WHAT
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THE NEEDS WERE AND WHAT THE BUDGET WAS.AND THIS IS LARGELY THE RESULT OF THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A BUDGET THAT'LL FIX TOTAL ROOF REPLACEMENTS ON EIGHT FACILITIES.
WE HAVE ROOF PATCHES OR MINOR REPAIRS.
WE HAVE BOTH THE MAINTENANCE AND CONSTRUCTION AND FACILITIES, HOW THEY FIT TOGETHER DURING DEPARTMENT.
THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A CORRECT, THEY WERE ALL PULLED TOGETHER.
AND WHEN WE HAD ROOF REPAIR AND HVAC AT PUBLIC WORKS, IT EMPTIED OUT OUR ENTIRE FACILITY BUDGET FOR THAT FACILITY.
SO YOU WANT, I'M SORRY YOU WERE SPEAKING TO NO, I WAS JUST SAYING THAT WE HAD A SMALL LINE ITEM AND WE DID CARPET REPLACEMENT AND EMERGENCY REPAIRS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, ANYTHING ELSE? WE'LL JUST CONTINUE ON DOWN THE LIST HERE GUYS.
AND BY THE WAY, UH, THAT'S IT FOR PD AND FIRE RELATED.
UH, YOU GUYS ARE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO STAY FOR THE 15, 20 MORE MINUTES, HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES.
MEET A CLIFF
IF YOU WANNA STAY, YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO, BUT IF YOU WANT TO GIVE YOURSELF A SWEAT.
SO WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE ON DOWN THE LIST AND SEE HERE.
WHEN YOU GET TO THE BOTTOM OF FIRE STATIONS, THERE IS ONE POINT I WANTED TO BRING UP ON HERE.
AND IT'S THE ARTS LEAD BUILDING AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, FUNDING A GREATER PORTION OF THOSE IN THE MDD, THE MDD FUNDS.
SO WHAT'S REMAINING HERE IN THE MARKET IS HUNDRED 50,000 IN THIS DEBT FUNDED WITH THE BALANCE.
WE THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS SOME APPETITE FOR THAT WITHIN THE
IT'S JUST A PROPOSAL, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'VE LISTED HERE.
SORRY, JUST BELOW THE SOUTH COMMAND.
SORRY, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT.
SOUTH COMMAND, WHERE IS THAT? I THINK I KNOW BUT SOUTH MAIN.
IS THAT THE EMS STATION? YEAH.
SO WE BUILT A NEW, NEW BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED NEXT, DIDN'T WE? I THOUGHT WE RENOVATED EXISTING BUILDING AT THE SAME TIME.
HAD SOME RENOVATIONS TOO ALREADY.
YEAH, THAT WAS COMING HOW LONG AGO? IS SOUTH COMMAND STAYING THERE OR IS IT GONNA MOVE OVER TO THE SAFETY BUILDING? IT STAYS THERE.
WHAT Y'ALL HAVE IN MIND AS FAR AS FOR SOUTH COMMAND? SOUTH COMMAND? MOST OF IT IS, UM, WHAT, UH, THEY CAME UP WITH IN THE FACILITIES.
I HAVE REPLACING THE H THIS, THIS DESCRIPTION THAT I HANDED OUT, THE TODAY IS UPDATED AND I WENT BACK THROUGH THE FACILITY DIVISION OF THAT BUILDING.
SO THERE'S YES, MINOR REMODEL, BUT THERE'S ALSO ACCESSIBILITY UPGRADES REPLACING THE HVAC AND SOME OF THE MECHANICAL SYSTEMS. WE HAD SOME FLOORING ISSUES.
SO NOW THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF FLOORING AND FINISHES REPLACE THE H THEY FUNCTION ALL HOUSE FUNCTIONS 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
AND, AND I HAVE COMMERCIAL GRADE, I HAVE RESIDENTIAL GRADE COMMERCIAL ASKING.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE COMMERCIAL.
SOME OF OUR FACILITIES OVER THE YEARS HAVE BEEN RESIDENTIAL.
I UNDERSTAND THEY OFFER HOURS TODAY IT'S RESIDENTIAL.
ARE WE REPLACING IT WITH COMMERCIAL? WE HAVEN'T DONE IT YET, BUT I THINK THE INTENT IS TO STANDARDIZE ACROSS THE CITY WITH THE SYSTEM.
AND I HAVE WORK QUITE HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THAT UNLESS THERE'S SOME ISSUE THAT IT WON'T.
UM, IN A RETRO IT WAS RENOVATED IN 2000.
LIKE I KNOW, YEAH, MY RENT'S 24 7 BUT I HAD TO REPLACE IT WITHIN THE 10 YEARS.
SO I THINK IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF UNIT YOU GET, HOW HEAVY IT'S BEING USED AS.
WELL BECAUSE I HAVE IN AND OUT PEOPLE AT MY HOUSE, I HAD CRACKS THAT I DIDN'T KNOW I HAD THAT I HAD TO RESEAL, THE ARROW WAS ESCAPING.
SO ALL OF THAT I THINK CONTRIBUTES TO THE USE KITCHEN WEAR AND TEAR ON IT ON THE UNIT.
SO IF YOU HAVE A WATER UNIT, KEEP IT BECAUSE THE NEW ONES DON'T ADD UP TO.
ONE OF MY TWO UNITS IS OVER FOUR YEARS OLD.
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QUE I'M SORRY.IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I DOCUMENT? UM, SO I WASN'T AT THE MDD MEETING WHEN IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT WE MOVE FUNDS AROUND.
AND SO MY QUESTION BECAUSE WE DID GET A NOTE, UM, ABOUT THE RENOVATIONS THAT THEY'RE SUGGESTING AND THAT THEY'RE ONLY NEEDING 150, IT WAS ON ART LEAGUE.
UM, SO WE HAD ORIGINALLY HAD 600,000.
SO ARE WE MOVING MORE FUNDS TO MDD AND THEN THESE ONE 50.
SO WE'RE IN, IN THIS CONCEPT, WE'RE STILL PROPOSING THE BALANCE TO BE WITHIN THE MDB FUND OF 600.
SO IF WE THINK ABOUT IT STILL BEING 600, THIS IS ONE 50.
SO THE M-D-B-M-D-D WOULD PICK UP PRODUCTION.
I VISITED WITH MR. KNIGHT NIGHT IN PERSON A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND GOT THEIR PERMISSION TO KIND OF WALK AROUND THE THINGS HE WANTED.
LOOK AT MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THE $600,000 JUST NOT THIS TIME.
SO I FOR SOME REASON PROJECT IN MY COUNCIL DISTRICT AND WHICH I, I HAVEN'T TAKEN THE, THE LEAD ON PRESENTED SOMEWHAT OF A APPLICATION DISTRICT COUNCIL PERSON.
SO YOU KNOW, MY PERSPECTIVE IS VISITING WITH MR. KNIGHT AND GAINING A LOT OF INSIGHT INTO WHAT'S NEEDED.
THE $150,000 I CAN LIVE WITH, I CAN SUPPORT.
I THINK THEY CAN MOST THAT MONEY'S I DON'T SEE A NEED IN BUDGETING.
HOW ABOUT IF IT IN AN ALTERNATIVE? WELL ONCE YOU BUDGET IT, I HAVEN'T EVEN LOOKED AT THE ALTERNATIVE.
WHAT IS THAT? SO IN INSTEAD OF UM, THE MDD CARRYING THE FOUR 50, THE BALANCE, RIGHT? HOW ABOUT THE MDD CARRY THE ONE 50 AND WE TAKE IT OFF THE COS I UNDERSTAND, BUT WE'RE TALKING 30 MILLION ON THE ALTERNATIVE VERSUS THE 45.
WHAT'S 150,000 HAS TO COME OUT OF CONTINGENCY ON MDD? YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT I HAVE THAT THAT HAS BROUGHT UP AT M DD.
EITHER WAY SHOULD WE JUST TAKE IT OFF MDD THEN WITH M DD WE'VE GOT A HOTEL CONVENTION CENTER GOING ON, WE HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT USING OUR CONTINGENCY FOR WHAT REASON? I'M, THIS IS A QUESTION.
I MEAN, I MEAN REALLY SO WE, I DON'T SEE A GOOD, A GOOD ANSWER FOR THAT.
THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, ONE INDIVIDUAL'S IDEA.
I DON'T, I DON'T SEE A RATIONALE FOR USING CONTINGENCY.
SO, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 150,000 TOTAL IS WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING TO FUND WITH CIP THIS, WITH THIS DEBT PACKAGE.
WANT TOTAL IP AS WELL AS DD ONE 50 TOTAL? WELL IF THE DESIRE IS TO TAKE IT DOWN TO THAT AMOUNT, I THINK THE DESIRE WE COMMITTEE WHAT WE CAN, THE OUR OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE IS ONE 50 TOTAL.
I THINK WE CAN LIVE WITH THAT.
YEAH, SO, SO FOR INSTANCE, WHEN WE REVIEWED THE CIP, THIS IS WHAT LATE MAY WE PRESENTED IT.
THE ONLY COMMENT WAS TO ADD THIS PROJECT, WHICH WE REALLY HADN'T HAD ANY HISTORY, ANY RESEARCH, NONE OF THIS.
RIGHT? SO FUNCTIONING FROM A VERY INFORMATION KIND OF
THEY CAN SPEND IT, GOTTA TAKE CARE OF THEIR NEEDS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS IF NOT LONGER.
THEY REQUIRE ISSUES THAT NEED ADDRESS.
MY CONCERN IS ONE, WE NEED IT HERE TO WHERE OUR CONTRACT SAYS I'M NOT GONNA REPLACE FLOORS, I'M NOT GONNA DO PAINTING, I'M NOT GONNA DO THAT.
THAT'S PART OF TENANT THEIR CONTRACT TENANT THAT'S THE TENANT'S RESPONSIBILITY.
IN THE LIST WHERE THEY WANT US TO DO ALL KINDS OF THAT STUFF.
THERE'S ONE COUNCIL MEMBER THAT JUST WON'T GO DOWN THAT ROAD ALSO WILL NOT GO DOWN THE ROAD OF COMPLETELY RENOVATING THE SECOND FLOOR FOR THEIR USE BECAUSE THAT IS A BLACK HOLE FOR COST.
UM, WHEN, WHEN THAT BUILDING WAS RENOVATED MANY MOONS AGO, THEY WERE TOLD THEY COULD USE THE UPSTAIRS FOR STORAGE ONLY.
I WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR THEY'RE USING IT FOR CLASSROOM SPACE, WHICH IS A PROBLEM.
SO WE NEED TO SEAL THAT BUILDING UP.
I WAS ALSO VERY CONCERNED WHEN I HEARD THERE'S VAS IN THE BUILDING.
WE NEED TO SEAL THAT BUILDING UP.
WE NEED TO CARRY THE HVAC AND WE NEED THE A DA STUFF BEYOND THAT.
WE HAVE LONG HEARTFELT DISCUSSIONS D ON THOSE ISSUES.
WELL AND I THINK IT'S CAUSED US TO LOOK AT THAT, THAT LEASE AGREEMENT AND I TALKED TO VICTOR ABOUT IT LAST WEEK.
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THAT'S ANOTHER REASON FOR US TO JUST KIND OF PAIR IT BACK TO THIS AND HOW YOU ALL DECIDE TO FUND IT IS I, I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE THAT THERE ARE THINGS WE NEED TO DO THERE.WE NEED TO GET THE, THE BATHROOM DOWNSTAIRS.
I WAS UNAWARE THAT IT WAS NOT AD A COMPLIANCE.
WE GET SOME ACCESSIBILITY STUFF.
SO WE STILL HAVE A FEW ROOF LEAKS AS WELL.
WE COME BACK TO YOU ALL ON MAYBE PERHAPS TWO 50.
I YOU LET'S COME BACK TO THIS ONE AND, AND Y'ALL TO REVIEW IT.
I THINK STARTING IS ONE 50, LET'S GET THE, LET'S GET THE NEEDED THINGS DONE AND THEN IF WE NEED TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE TO IT AS WE GO FORWARD TO GET THOSE I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
BUT IT IS, I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO SAY THAT HE'S NOT SUPPORTIVE OF $600,000.
WHAT THAT NUMBER IS BETWEEN 600 AND ZERO.
UM, IN REVIEWING THIS, I'M SURE THAT Y'ALL REVIEWED ANY TYPE OF SAFETY ISSUES THAT MIGHT BE IN PLACE.
DO, IS IT COMPLIANT? I MEAN FOR LIFE SAFETY? YEAH.
AND WELL IT'S MAINLY THE ACCESSIBILITY BUT THE LIFE SAFETY IS THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT CAME VERY LATE SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A GOOD HANDLE ON THAT, BUT WE CAN TRY AND GET A GOOD COMPLETE HANDLE ON THAT.
WE'VE THREE OR FOUR WEEKS TO YEAH, WE'RE OKAY ON LIFE SAFETY ITEMS BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT BUILDING IS SPRINKLED AND THEY INCREASE THE OCCUPANCY AND UTILIZE SECOND FLOOR.
I MEAN, OR GET INTO ANY OTHER UPSTAIRS THEY HAVE TO SPRINKLE THEY TO UTILIZE THE UPSTAIRS.
UPSTAIRS WAS NOT IN CHECK INTO IT.
I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE MONEY.
AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY REALIZED THEY WERE USING THE UPSTAIRS.
I THINK IT'S Y'ALL'S JOB TO LOOK AT THE WORK SCOPE THAT THEY SENT OVER AT THE LEASE.
LET US KNOW WHAT QUALIFIES AND WHAT WE CAN DO FOR AS THE CITY MANAGERS HAVE TWO 50 LESS.
OR IS THERE A SAFETY ISSUE IN UTILIZING THAT SECOND FLOOR, UM, RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I HATE FOR ANYTHING TO HAPPEN AND IT IS ARE BUILDING.
SO THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP THOUGH, I'M SORRY MS.
UH, WE'RE NOT USING THE SECOND FLOOR.
NO, THAT WAS SO TAKE OUT THAT WAS DRIVING UP TO YES, THAT'S THAT'S A BIG PART OF IT.
ELEVATORS OUT CLIENT ELEVATOR.
I DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS.
SO YOU GUYS WILL LOOK AT NETWORK WORK SCOPE, LOOK AT THE LEASE AND TELL US IF WE CAN DO IT FOR LESS, WHAT WE CAN DO FOR, AND THE LAST THING IS I'D I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT OTHER, YOU ALL KNOW WHAT OTHER BUILDINGS WE OWN THAT SOMEONE ELSE IS USING BECAUSE WE ARE SETTING UP PRECEDENTS THAT WE'RE UPGRADING OURS WITH ITEMS THAT WEREN'T PART OF OUR LEASE AGREEMENT.
AND SO, UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE FOR Y'ALL TO KIND OF REVIEW WHAT OTHER BUILDINGS WE OWN THAT THIRD PARTIES ARE ARE LEASING OUT.
IT IS, IT COULD BE POTENTIALLY SETTING US UP FOR ADDITIONAL COSTS.
I'VE ACTUALLY HAD A CALL CALL TEXAS, YOU KNOW, IT IT HAVE TO BE AN ACCOMPLISHMENT NON PROFIT.
WE ALL HAVE OUR PET NON-PROFITS THAT AROUND THIS ROAD.
WELL IF WE DIDN'T, IF IF WE DIDN'T OWN THE BUILDING THEY WOULD'VE QUALIFIED FOR OUR BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT GRANT BECAUSE NONPROFITS ARE YEAH.
BUT BECAUSE WE OWN IT THEN IT'S, IT WOULD BE ON US.
BUT AGAIN, JUST WANTED TO TO FIND OUT IF THERE ARE ANY OTHERS MEAN THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TASKED WITH.
WE KNOW WE WANT TO MEET OUR OBLIGATIONS AS THE LANDLORD AND BUILDING OWNER.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE COMPLY TO THE AND DO.
NEXT LINE ITEM, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND COMMUNITY SERVICES BUILDING.
YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME INPUT IN ON PART OF THIS BUILDING, BUT, UH, SO LET'S SEE.
SO THAT WOULD ONLY BE DESIGNED AND THERE WOULD BE A MAJOR RENOVATION IN 3 24, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AN OVERALL CONDITIONING MEDIC UPGRADES, MAJOR REMODEL, RECOMMENDED TO PAINT SEAL UN TILES, REPLACE ROOF ACCESSIBILITY AND SAFETY UPGRADES FOR DRAIN ET CETERA.
SO IT'S AN EXTENSIVE REMODEL TO OUR BUILDING, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
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THE, THE PLAN IS FOR THE, THE PD IS ABLE TO MOVE OUT OF THE FIRST FLOOR THAT WE COULD DO KIND OF A PHASE RENOVATION IF YOU KNOW.UM, I I HAVE NOT, I DON'T REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY HOW FRANCE LOOKING AT THE ELEVATOR, BUT I HAD A QUESTION CHIEF.
SO THINK THAT'S THE STUMBLE BLOCK.
WE DO A LOT OF MAJOR RENOVATION THERE.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADD AN DOES PLAN ON KATIE ONCE WE MOVE INTO THE, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY CAMPUS, THEN YES, WE WILL MOVE ALL OF OUR OPERATIONS UNDER ONE THAT'LL OPEN ENOUGH SPACE FOR THEM.
BECAUSE THAT WAS MY CONCERN THAT THEY DIDN'T, THEY HAD TO KEEP COMING DOWN WHEN THEY, OR WITH THE PERSON THAT, YOU KNOW, SINCE IT'S NOT AADA A COMPLIANT AND THEY HAD TO SHARE THE ROOM WITH Y'ALL.
AND SO THEY MAY NOT NEED HELP DEPENDING ON THE CUSTOMER FACING COULD BE
SO LOOKS SPRINKLING FOR LIFE SAFETY IS ON THE LIST.
I ASKED YOU ABOUT THAT AT ONE POINT, CHIEF.
I KNOW IT WAS A WHILE AGO WHEN I, I THOUGHT I SORT LEAVE SOME OFFICERS THERE, BUT I IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S CHANGED.
NO, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE PLAN IS TO MOVE NOW WHOLE DIVISION WILL BE IN THE MOVE FACILITY.
WELL, NOT ONLY THAT, IT'LL MAKE IT EASIER FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE.
I THINK LAURA AND I REPRESENTING THE OLDER PARTS OF TOWN, WE, WE SURE DO LOVE SUBSTATIONS AND HAVING SOME OFFICERS DOWN THERE, YOU ONE YEAH, WE WILL, WE WILL MAKE SURE THE AREAS OF TOWN WILL NOT BE, AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT'LL GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND THAT DIVISION BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY WORK PERSONNEL.
THE IDEA WAS TO CREATE A WHOLE UNIT.
THIS IS ANOTHER BUILDING FOR TWO.
SO TRYING TO GO TO A BETTER ROOF PRODUCT FOR FLAT ROOF INSTALLATION AND THE AIR CONDITIONING RESIDUE THAT COMES OUT OF THE AIR.
AND AS FAR AS FLAT ROOF, FLAT ROOF, IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THIS AREA.
IN FACT, UM, CHIEF FULMAN AND I AND RON WERE, WERE SMILING BECAUSE OF HOW MANY CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD ABOUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT FLAT ROOFS OR JUST TO ELIMINATE ALL THE ROOF PENETRATIONS, CHEMICAL EQUIPMENT, BUT ALSO GOING TO A HIGHER STANDARD OF FLAT ROOF.
SO NOT THE TPO MODIFIED BEUM ROOF SEE THAT ON SOME SCHOOL DISTRICTS BUT IS MORE EXPENSIVE.
THERE'S, THERE'S SOME PRODUCTS THAT CITIES AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE GONE TO THAT ALLOW HER REPAIR AND, AND LONGER, I WOULD SAY THE WARRANTY IS LIKE 40 YEARS RATHER THAN FIVE OR TWO.
WELL THE PONDING IS, SO THE MORE PONDING YOU HAVE, THE MORE BASICALLY PRESSURE ON THAT ROOF SUBSTRUCTURE.
RIGHT? SO IF IT GOES, GOES, GOES, THEN YOU HAVE TO REPLACE EVERYTHING THAT'S HOLDING THAT UP.
SO WE ARE AT THAT CRITICAL POINT.
SO WHY DON'T WE JUST KIND OF TRY TO LOOP ALONG THE NEXT ONES IN A LITTLE BIT TOGETHER HERE.
ALL DESIGN MONEY, UH, THE FACILITIES MAINTENANCE, BILLING, MOSQUITO CONTROL, BILLING, PUBLIC WORKS, CENTER RENOVATION, ALL DESIGNED.
SO ONCE AGAIN, FRANK DOING THE DESIGN NOW AND ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION WE FOUND AT ONE TIME THEREAFTER.
MOSQUITO CONTROL'S ACTUALLY COMPLETELY BEYOND ITS USEFUL LIFE.
THIS IS TO MAKE SURE WE CAN KEEP THE BUILDING STANDING UNTIL WE CAN DO SOMETHING OF LIFE.
IT'S, IT'S AMAZING BUT IT'S SURVIVING.
BUT WE ARE, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WE HAD A BUILDING FOR MOSQUITO CONTROL.
ARE WE ADDING MORE? I DON'T THINK AS, AS BAD AS IT BEEN LATELY.
UM, THEY GO DO LIKE THE, OKAY SO THAT TAKES US DOWN FRANK PUBLIC WORKS CENTER RENOVATION DAY.
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I KNOW WE'RE DOING, YOU ADD SOME OFFICES KIND OF EXTENSIVE AND YES, WE FLIP THE PAGE ON YOUR HANDOUT.IT'S BIG CANOPY BUT IT ACTUALLY WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO DEFER THE CANOPY.
I KIND OF, UM, ZEROED OUT THAT, YEAH, DON'T WORRY.
I'M GONNA MAKE SURE WE SEIZE THESE THAT IT'S, SO THIS YEAR WE HAD SOME FUNDING FOR SOME
SO WE FOUND OUT WHAT THE CURRENT COSTS ARE AND YOU'LL BE SEEING THAT ON A COUNCIL AGENDA TWO OF FOUR.
SO WE DECIDED IT WAS PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LIVE WITHOUT AND DO WITH WHAT WE HAD COMING.
SO THAT JUST AN EXERCISE OF UM, OF RESTRAINT THERE.
I CREATING THE AC AND IS VERY GOOD IDEA.
THE LAST TIME I WAS THERE IT WAS LIKE A SAUNA.
THERE IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT'S JUST AS WE HAVE BUILT OUT THAT WAREHOUSE INTO SOME OFFICE SPACES.
WE'VE DONE SOME OF THE HVAC RENOVATION BUT IT JUST CANNOT KEEP UP.
THERE'S SOME, IT'S LIKE A MOISTURE ISSUE IN THAT.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO OUR BEST BUT WE ALSO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL STAFF THAT FURTHER POTENTIALLY CONSIDER.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HOUSE.
OKAY, NEXT LINE ITEM STERLING LIBRARY.
CLOSE TO TWO 50,000 FOR DESIGN WORK.
SO WE EXTENSOR RENOVATION, MAKE REPAIR HANDLE REPLACEMENT, A MINOR REMODELING, YADA YADA SMALL STORY NEEDS THERE.
AND IT'S HVAC IS EXTREMELY CRITICAL ON THE ROOF.
I JUST REVIEWED THAT WITH KEVIN BEFORE I CAME.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE ROOF DID YOU REPAIR SLASH REPLACE PIECE.
SO THESE, SO AFTER THE FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT WAS DONE, WE AND KEVIN TOOK OVER THAT OPERATION.
WE HAD A EXTENSIVE REVIEW OF ALL ROOFS AND IT'S ALL BAD NEWS BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE INCLUDED THAT ROOF COST INTO, SO THAT CONCLUDES THAT PORTION OF IT.
SO THE NEXT PORTION IS PARKS AND WE'RE GONNA KIND OF LUMP IT ALL TOGETHER IF YOU DON'T MIND HERE AND UM, SEE YOU YES.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME JUST TO KIND OF THIS IF YOU WANT THIS.
OKAY, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S OUR FIRST ON THE DOCKET HERE IS THE A HUNDRED BLOCK OF 10 SQUARE.
AND IN REVIEW OF THE MDD BUDGET AND DISCUSSION WITH HOW MUCH THAT MDD FUNDS COULD KIND OF TAKE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT THAT COULD BE FUNDED BY MD.
YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE OTHER ARGUMENT THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
IS, YOU KNOW, WHY WE WANT TO USE CONTINGENCY FOR MDD, WHATEVER.
WE'RE TALKING 30 SOMETHING MILLION DOLLARS HERE.
IT'S MY DISTRICT AND TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING OVER WITH M DD UNTIL I HEARD ABOUT IT DURING THE PUBLIC MEETING.
SO MY, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT STAND.
AND I ACTUALLY VISITED, UM, CITY MANAGER AND CLIFF BRIEFLY AND THERE WAS A LITTLE MORE THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT THAT I WAS AWARE OF.
ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CONTAINER FOR THE FOOD BEVERAGE RESTAURANT INCUBATOR CONCEPT.
AND ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT SOME OTHER CONCEPTS THAT WERE BEING DISCUSSED AND TOUCH ON THAT CLIP.
'CAUSE I DID LOCK WHAT I HEARD.
WE WERE UM, UH, TALKED TO YOU ABOUT RICK, ABOUT PROVIDING A, AN AMENITY FOR THAT AREA THAT WOULD UH, COMPLIMENT TOWN SQUARE MORE SO THAN DRAW AWAY FROM IT.
IT'S UH, WHAT, WHAT HE WANTED WAS KIND OF A KIND OF AN OPEN GENERAL AREA, ALMOST LIKE A PARK BUT HAVE LIKE SOME AMENITIES THAT, UH, PEOPLE COULD DO LIKE THE SOCCER OR BASKETBALL OR JUST KIND OF MAKE IT LIKE A GENERAL HANGOUT SPACE, UM, FOR EVERYDAY USE.
AND THEN THAT COULD ALSO OVERFLOW OVER EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL.
IT'S THE LOT THAT'S ADJACENT TO TOWN SQUARE THAT'S SEPARATED BY THE PAINTED STREET THAT'S ALREADY CLOSED NOW.
ANYWAY, IT DOES KIND OF LEND ITSELF THROUGH THAT CONCEPT.
SO, AND WE, WE LIVE IN VERY INITIAL LIKE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN, JUST PUTTING THINGS ON A PAPER AND THAT'S KIND OF ALL WE'VE DONE AT THIS POINT.
THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, SURVEYING THE ACTUAL SIGN.
SO THAT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
YOU KNOW RICK, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU WOULD ACTUALLY TRY TO INCLUDE SOME MONEY FOR A QUOTE CONSTRUCTION.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CONTAINER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT YOU WOULD SEE THIS NOT AS A PHASED PROJECT CLIFF, YOU WOULD SEE ALL OF IT TIME.
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IS FAR AS I'M, THIS IS JUST THE DESIGN AND UNDERSTAND THE CONSTRUCTION EVEN WITH THE CONTAINER AND THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE AND THE SOCCER OR FOOTBALL, WHATEVER IT IS THAT, THAT WOULD BE PHASE ONE.DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT ANDREW? I THINK SO.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE GOTTA JUST CONSIDER IS EVEN IF WE WANTED TO GO INTO CONSTRUCTION, IF WE HAVE TO DESIGN IT FIRST, WE REALLY CAN THINK ABOUT IT AS WE, WE DON'T KNOW NOW WHAT WE MIGHT DISCOVER DURING DESIGN AND WE, WE CERTAINLY DON'T KNOW IF OUR COSTS ARE GONNA BE THE SAME A YEAR FROM NOW.
SO IT ALLOWS US A BETTER MORE ASSURANCE OF WHAT THAT SCOPE IS AND WHAT THE CURRENT COSTS ARE IN MIND THIS TIME NEXT YEAR YOU'LL ENTER ANOTHER PHASE LIKE THIS AND SO YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO CORRECT ON THE CONSTRUCTION COMPONENT SO YOU CAN MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN FIND THE WHOLE PROJECT.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE IS SEVERAL PROJECTS, SORRY FOR THE FROG OF MY THROAT.
UH, SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE WHAT WE DO, THE DUE DILIGENCE OF DESIGN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE GRAND PLAN THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO CONSTRUCT DOESN'T NEED TO BE PHASED OR IF IT CAN BE CONSTRUCTED ALL AT ONCE.
FOR THIS WE HAVE THE ARTIFICIAL TURF AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT CLIFF AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT.
UH, WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE A SPEC OR AN IDEA OF LIKE WHAT IS THE STANDARDIZATION OF ARTIFICIAL TURF.
WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AT THE SCHOOL WHERE THE WATER COULDN'T ALL GO IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND THE THERE WAS A, AT THE BALL FIELDS WE HAVE THAT FAILURE IN THAT PERCENT COLD.
SO WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT THAT SITUATION ANYWHERE OUT THERE AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT UNDER DRAIN SYSTEM ON ANY TURF PRODUCT.
AND SO WE'RE KIND OF GOING THROUGH A EVALUATION OF WHAT IS THE CITY'S, YOU KNOW, OPTION TO KIND OF LOOK AT WHAT THAT ARTIFICIAL TURF IS.
'CAUSE IT DOESN'T DRAIN THROUGH A HUNDRED PERCENT.
WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT IN TANDEM WITH WAYNE GRAY AND WHAT THAT OUTFIELD, UH, AREA FOR THAT TURF LOOKS LIKE SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT AS WE UNDOUBTEDLY THERE WILL BE MORE OF THESE SORTS OF PROJECTS IN OTHER PARKS THAT WE DO IT RIGHT IN THE START WE HAD A $200,000 TOTAL IN THEIR PREVIOUS, YOU STILL FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT NUMBER BEING GOOD FOR DESIGN? YEAH, I DEFER TO THE IP TEAM ON THAT NUMBER.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW LAST NIGHT SOMEBODY TAGGED THE NEW TURF AT TOWN SQUARE.
IT ACTUALLY CLEANED UP PRETTY EASILY THOUGH.
OUR TEAM GOT OUT THERE THIS MORNING, GOT TOOK CARE OF.
I DIDN'T SAY IT, BUT I TOLD YOU I WAS KIND OF WONDERING ABOUT THAT.
IF YOU TAG DOWN THERE IT WILL BE EFFECT JUST A MATTER OF TIME.
UH, SO LOOK, YOU KNOW, I SEE YOU GUYS ARE NOW REVISED THE, THE, UH, 150,000 FOR THE DESIGN OF THE BAILIN MARINA PARK, WHICH WERE THINGS THAT THE THREE OF US HAVE NEVER HEARD OF AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, LITTLE AMPHI THEATER, WHICH WAS EXPLAINED TO ME WOULD BE MORE LIKE A ONE BAND DEAL.
AND, AND A LOT OF IDEAS BUT ARE RECOMMENDING TO PUT BACK NOW.
SO IF I HEARD TO FISCAL, THERE'S A BALANCING, THERE'S KIND OF A BALANCING OF WHAT WE'VE GOTTA DO ON THE ISLAND, IN THE ISLAND AREA.
SO THERE'S A MASTER PLANNING DESIRE.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION AT LEAST IN FRONT
BUT, YOU KNOW, IS, IS THERE AN IDEA THERE THAT THERE'S A PARKING RAMP AND WHAT ELSE NEEDS TO GO ON WITH, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT OF THIS HOTEL AND CON CONVENTION CENTER? AND SO WHILE WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE A GOOD AMENITY FOR PEOPLE TO, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN EASILY WALK UP THE TRAIL TO THIS LOCATION, WHICH IS CURRENTLY JUST A BOAT RAMP.
THIS IS KIND OF BUILDING OUT BETWEEN THE ISLAND AND THAT BOAT RAMP AREA FOR THIS CONCEPT PARK.
EVEN AGAIN, EVEN IF WE WANTED TO BUILD IT ALL OR COMPLETE, YOU KNOW, BRAND PLAN, WE REALLY NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE WE, WHAT IS THIS CALL FOR IN OUR DESIGN, RIGHT? SO THIS IS A PRELIMINARY DESIGN.
EVEN PRELIMINARY DESIGN CAN TAKE SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS.
SO AS WE KIND OF THINK ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS IN BALANCE, WE WANT THAT MASTER PLAN FOR THE DEER TO KIND OF COME TOGETHER WITH WHAT'S GOING ON SO THAT IT DOESN'T GET DONE IN ISOLATION, BUT IN TANDEM OR IN BECAUSE OF EFFORT.
SO IF WE KIND OF RUSH DOWN FULL DESIGN ROUTE, WE CAN WE'LL DO THAT IF WE AUTHORIZE IT SEPARATELY.
BUT THIS IS JUST KIND OF A SUGGESTION THAT IF WE LOOK AT WHAT IT COULD BE, THERE MIGHT BE SEVERAL PAUSES THAT WE TAKE WHILE WE EVALUATE WELL HOW MANY CARS IN A STRUCTURE OR WHAT ELSE GOES ON ON THE ISLAND THAT IS NOT JUST RECREATIONAL.
SO IT'S TO SLOW DOWN A BIT TO DESIGN SOMETHING.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA BUDGET 150,000, WHAT, WHAT WOULD THEY, THAT'S PRELIMINARY DESIGN.
SO THAT'S GONNA GET YOU A SURVEY THAT'S GONNA GET YOU CONSTRUCTION BUDGET, THAT'S GONNA GET YOU SOME
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PHASING.SO THESE ARE ALL, WOULD YOU SAY THAT THIS IS LIKE SPECIAL DESIGN FOR THIS? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN JUST GO BUY CORAL MAS? NO, NO.
SO THIS THIS KIND OF THE SAME THING AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE, BUT UH, WE HAVE A, A PRELIMINARY IDEA, UH, WHICH IS ALL JUST CONCEPTUAL STUFF, BUT YEAH, SO I, I KNOW IN THE ORIGINAL IT WAS 300,000 FOR DESIGN.
AND SO, SO WE HAD 500, SORRY, PARDON ME, 300,000 FOR DESIGN AND 500,000 FOR CONSTRUCTION.
SO NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHOPPING UP THE DESIGN AND INTO 150.
GETTING STARTED GETTING OFF THE GROUND.
SO FOR INSTANCE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT 500,000 WOULD BUY US OF THIS SPECIALLY BUILT COMPONENT.
SO WE KNOW PRETTY MUCH WHAT A BOARDWALK IS AND HOW MUCH THAT WOULD BE OR WE KNOW HOW MUCH TRAIL WOULD BE, OR EVEN SIDEWALKS, RIGHT? SO IF YOU WANNA DO THIS SPECIAL THING, I THINK, WHICH IS GREAT, WE DEFINITELY WANT SOMETHING TO SHOWPIECE, WE WANT SOMETHING THAT'S CAPITALIZE ON THE FACT THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IN THE BAY AND THAT, THAT SORT OF THE HOTEL MOVING IN, RIGHT? BUT IT'LL TAKE TIME FOR US TO DO THIS, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND I, I EVEN POTENTIALLY SEE SOME OF THE FUNDING IN MT D AS WELL.
UM, AND SO I'M OKAY TAKING A PAUSE ON IT, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET IT RIGHT AND THEN SEE THE IMPACT OF WHAT THE HOTEL IS DOING IN THE AREA.
BUT I, I DO, I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED, OKAY, WHEN IS THE HOTEL GOING TO BE DONE? AND WE'VE HAD ALL THIS CONSTRUCTION GOING ON, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA ADD MORE CONSTRUCTION, UM, WHEN WE START WORKING ON, UH, THE MARINA.
AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT BECAUSE ADDING MORE AND MORE CONSTRUCTION IN THE AREA, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THAT'S NOTHING NEW, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE ONGOING CONSTRUCTION FOR SURE.
AND ALSO WHEN THE HOTEL GETS COMPLETE AND AFTER THEY'VE BEEN MOVED FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, BUT THEY MAY HAVE A LITTLE INPUT AS WELL.
THEY MAY BE ASKING FOR DIFFERENT ABSOLUTELY.
WHAT ARE THEIR CLIENTELE ASKING FOR TO DO? UM, WHAT ARE THEY RENTING OUT OR TRYING TO ASSEMBLE FOR THEM? YEAH, SO I AGREE WITH DEFERRING BECAUSE THE OTHER ROCKS IN THE, IN THE POND THAT WE HAVE A CONCEPT, AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING POTENTIALLY A 200, 250 VEHICLE PARKING GARAGE, RIGHT? WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A PARK.
AND WE'RE ALSO THINK TALKING ABOUT IN UNDER DISCUSSIONS, HAVING A 4 25 FOOT MONUMENT PUT ON THE ISLAND THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE.
SO I, I THINK TAKING A PAUSE AND, AND THE BATTLESHIP DOESN'T GO THROUGH THAT RELIEVES A LOT OF PRESSURE.
BUT THEN WE AS A GROUP, WE HAVE DECIDED ARE WE, ARE WE NOT GONNA BUILD A PARKING GARAGE? AND WHERE IS THE BEST PLACE TO LIVE IT BEFORE WE COULD EVEN START SPENDING MONEY ON ORDINARY DESIGNS? WE NEED TO PAUSE.
I, I LIKE THE IDEA WE DECIDE WE'RE NOT GONNA BUILD A PARKING GARAGE.
LET'S, LET'S DO WHAT YOU HAVE IN MIND.
EVEN IF WE DO BUILD A PARKING GARAGE, LET'S FIGURE OUT WHERE ELSE WE CAN PUT IT OUT THERE.
STILL BE GARAGE OR EVEN SOME SORT OF, UH, SMALLER CONCEPT.
BUT IF WE HAD THE BATTLESHIP AND PARKING GARAGE OUT THERE, SPACE IS GONNA GET TIGHT REAL QUICK.
BUT I KNOW THIS WITHIN SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS, WE'LL KNOW EITHER WAY.
AND, AND I KNOW I APPRECIATE CORNELL TOO BECAUSE WE DID LOOK AT THIS PARK EXTENSIVELY WHEN I DID THE PARK AUDIT, UM, WITH HIM.
AND SO I RECOMMEND Y'ALL DO THAT, A WALKING PART AUDIT IN YOUR DISTRICT.
I'M STILL TRYING TO GET MY CLUBHOUSE BUILT,
ANOTHER CHANGE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO DEFER SOME OF THE CHECK-INS OR CLUBHOUSE, UH, DESIGN, UH, MIGHT, SORRY, NOT DEFER TO HAVE THAT FUNDED BY THE MDD, NOT TO DEFER, SORRY, CLIFF IS PROBABLY HAVING A HEART ATTACK OVER THERE.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO HAVE THAT INSTEAD OF IN THE COS TO HAVE THE MDV ON THAT WORK UNLESS YOU THINK IT BELONGS HERE.
WHICH ONE AGAIN? THIS IS JENKINS PARK CLUBHOUSE JUST BELOW THE MARINA PARK.
SO IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN WHAT I HANDED OUT, BUT IT'S, IT'S THAT 270 IN DESIGN.
SO IT'S UP TO YOU ALL HOW TO STAY AS OR GOES, MIKE, LAURA, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE COLLEAGUE WHOSE DISTRICT THAT IN IS NOT REAL BIG ON SEALS.
AND AND HONESTLY, AND I'LL BE REAL CLEAR, I'M NOT EITHER.
WE WOULD STILL HAVE CONTINGENCY.
WE HAD SEVEN 40 IF THE TWO OUTTA THE SEVEN 40, WE'D STILL HAVE ALMOST HALF A MILLION.
I THINK I WOULD BE HAPPY WITH THAT MEDIUM, BUT I DEFINITELY DON'T WANNA CONTINUE
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USING THE CONTINGENCY.WE HAVE TOO MANY PROJECTS IN THE FIRE AND YEAH, HOPPER'S PRETTY SMALL.
UH, ANYTHING, MIKE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON, UH, LIKE THAT'S, THERE'S BEEN RUSSELL PARK 700,000 FOR DESIGN ON THAT.
THAT, WELL LET ME, LET ME PAUSE THERE.
SO IF YOU READ THE FULL PARAGRAPH, THERE'S THREE PHASES.
AND ORIGINALLY WE HAD BEEN VERY, VERY CONCERNED THAT THERE WAS A DRAINAGE ISSUE THAT WAS GOING TO NEED TO BE SOLVED BEFORE WE COULD DO ANYTHING.
SO WHAT I HAVE DONE IS BROUGHT IN WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER A REALLY GOOD DRAINAGE ENGINEER AND A REALLY, REALLY GOOD PARK DESIGN FIRM.
AND THEY'VE HAD SOME MEETINGS WITH US AND I'M, I'M HOLDING THEIR PROPOSAL BECAUSE I, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO JUST THROW IT OUT THERE AND WAITING FOR THIS DISCUSSION.
THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO US, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF ADVICE FROM THEM IS BUILD A PORTION OF THE PARK THAT SOMEBODY CAN IMMEDIATELY COME IN AND USE, RIGHT? RESIDENTS CAN IMMEDIATELY USE, IF YOU DO A GRAND PLAN TO DO MASS DRAINAGE AND MASS, WE'LL SAY EARTH MOVING, THAT MAY BE A GOOD EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS, BUT IF YOU CAN'T BUILD THE WHOLE RUSSELL PARK OUT, RIGHT? SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED IN JUST THE LAST YEAR.
WE HAD WHAT I CALL KIND OF LIKE THE BOOKEND OUT THERE WHERE WE HAVE A CHEVRON PROPERTY WITH AN EQUESTRIAN TRAIL THAT WAS BEING PROPOSED.
AND THEN THE RUSSELL PARK COMPONENT NOW THAT CHEVRON PROPERTY WE HEAR IS NOW BEING KIND OF HELD BACK FOR THEIR OWN DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT EQUESTRIAN TRAIL IS IN A BIT OF A LIMBO.
AND THEN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE MASTER PLAN OF THE PARK, BECAUSE WE HAD MANY, MANY, MANY RECREATIONAL COMPONENTS, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAVE HERE IS TO PURSUE PRELIMINARY DESIGN.
TAKE AGAIN A STEP BACK TO SAY WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO DO PHASE ONE AND IF IT'S NOT DRAINAGE OR IF IT'S DRAINAGE ON, WE'LL JUST SAY A THIRD OF THE PARK OR A QUARTER OF THAT PARCEL.
AND WE DO THAT WELL AND IMMEDIATELY HAVE SOME USE.
AND THEN WE BUILD THESE OTHER PHASES.
AND SO IT'S REALLY EVALUATING THE MASTER PLAN AND FIGURING OUT WHAT ARE, WHAT'S THE PHASING.
AND THAT IS A VERY APPROPRIATE PULMONARY DESIGN KIND OF APPROACH TO THIS PARK.
I MEAN, THERE'S EVERYTHING FROM WATER, UH, FEATURES AND LIKE CATTLE CRAFT TO AN AMPHITHEATER TO OF RECREATION, ACTIVE RECREATION AND A COUPLE OF BUILDINGS.
AND IT'S, IT'S REALLY, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHETHER WE CAN DO ALL THAT HERE IF IT'S APPROPRIATELY SIZED AND WHICH ONE WE SHOULD DO FIRST.
RIGHT? SO WHAT'S THE BEST THING TO MEET THE NEED OF THE COMMUNITY IS TO HAVE A GOOD FIRST PHASE ONE THAT WE CAN A, AFFORD AND DESIGN AND B, AFFORD IN CONSUMPTION.
SO WE WANT THERE, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON HERE AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE PROPOSING TO DEFER SOME OF THIS UNTIL WE HAVE KIND OF A BETTER IDEA.
SO 700,000 JUST FOR DESIGN THAT RUSSELL PARK SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET US PRELIMINARY DESIGN AND THEN ALSO A LITTLE BIT OF FINAL DESIGN.
BUT WE HAVE TO KIND OF GAUGE WHICH WAY, WHICH DIRECTION ARE WE GOING.
WE PROBABLY HAVE TO INVOLVE THE RECREATION BOARD, RIGHT.
ADVISORY BOARD AND KIND OF GET WITH THE, UM, ORIGINAL DONORS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN AN APPROPRIATE POSITION.
'CAUSE WE HAVE A LOT AND WE JUST CAN'T DO ALL OF IT AT ONCE.
SO MY FIRST ONE IS, WE HAD A PRELIMINARY DESIGN OF THE ENTIRE FOOTPRINT THAT CAME TO A AND E MASTER PLAN MASTER.
SO CAN THAT NOT BE USED AS DESIGN? THE MASTER PLAN IS VERY, VERY, I'M GONNA SAY YEAH, I WOULD SAY IT'S LIKE IN ITS INFANCY, RIGHT? IT'S CONCEPTUAL 30% DESIGN TAKES IT TO MORE SCHEMATIC.
BUT ALSO WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN AFFORDED A LONG TIME AGO, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN AFFORD NOW NEW PHASE OR WHAT WE CAN BUILD AND HOW MUCH DEBT, HOW MUCH WE WANNA DEDICATE TO THAT.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PARKS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACROSS THE CITY AND WE DON'T WANNA PROPOSE, YOU KNOW, JUST A $7 MILLION PARK, RIGHT? THAT WOULD PROBABLY JUST THROW EVERYBODY'S HAIR BACK.
SO THINKING THROUGH WHAT THAT IS, I MEAN THIS IS A DECENT AMOUNT OF FUNDS IF WE DON'T SPEND IT ALL IN DESIGN THAT GETS PUSHED TO CONSTRUCTION.
SO ARE Y'ALL USING THE SAME FIRM THAT WE USED BEFORE? WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO USE
AND WHY WOULD THAT NOT BE? WELL, NOT NECESSARILY MORE LAND PLANNERS THAN ACTUALLY ENGINEERS AND DESIGNERS OR THEY'RE, THEY ARE, I WOULD SAY THEY ARE MORE ON THE PRELIMINARY MASTER PLANNING TYPE.
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DRAINAGE IS NOT AND THE CIVIL WORK IS NOT THERE.AND SO JUST TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, ARE ARE, CAN THEY BE ON THE TEAM? ABSOLUTELY.
WE DON'T WANNA LOSE ALL THAT UH, INFORMATION.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE IS, UM, WHAT WE JUST PROPOSE IS THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN.
TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT FROM A FRESH PERSPECTIVE.
THIS IS A FIRM THAT DOES UM, A LOT OF WORK AROUND THE HOUSTON AREA AND THEN INVOLVED IN A LOT OF DRAINAGE TYPE FACILITIES.
AND IF THEY DON'T GET THE FINAL DESIGN THEN THAT'S FINE.
BUT JUST TO GET STARTED WITH A CIVIL ENGINEER FIRM THAT DOES DRAINAGE AND THEN ANOTHER PARKS AND CALL IT LANDSCAPE FIRM IS JUST TO GET A FRESH LOOK AND THEN JUST TAKE A REALITY CHECK ON WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED.
MY SECOND QUESTION IS, UM, WE HAD IDENTIFIED EARLY ON THAT WE MAY WANT TO HAVE THIS AS A REGIONAL PARK WHERE WE WANT HARRIS COUNTY TO PARTNER WITH US WITH MARKET STREET REDEVELOPMENT.
SO ARE WE GOING TO BE DOING ALL THIS WORK? AND THEN IF HARRIS COUNTY GETS THE PROJECT, THEY'RE GONNA SAY, WELL WE'RE TAKING IT OVER BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'RE ON THEIR TIMELINE NOW FOR MARKET STREET.
AND SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN PROPOSE TO HARRIS COUNTY FUND ANY OF THIS.
I THINK THERE WAS POTENTIALLY WITH THE CR BRA WE HAD ORIGINALLY TALKED TO COMMISSIONER GARCIA.
NOW IT SHIFTED S SHUFFLE, RIGHT.
COMMISSIONER, I THINK I HAVE CITY PERSONNEL HAD MET WITH HIM.
I DON'T THINK IT'S AS HIGH A PRIORITY THIS DISTRICT THAT IT WAS FOR
I THINK THAT'S WHERE A COMMUNITY INFLUENCE COMES IN THOUGH.
IF THEY DO FUND A GOOD PORTION OF IT RIGHT, THEY'RE PROBABLY
AND SO, UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE HOW ELSE WE CAN GET FUNDS FROM THE COUNTY.
THEY'VE BEEN, THIS GETS US, YOU KNOW, THE FARTHER YOU ARE DESIGN, THE BETTER CHANCE YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A REALLY SOLID PLAN AND A BETTER IDEA OF YOUR COST.
AND I REMEMBER A CONVERSATION ON, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS COUNCIL OR MDT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT, UM, RUSSELL PARK WHERE WE WERE LIKE, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE FUNDS, WE DON'T HAVE THE SCOPE YET.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE EVEN WANNA THINK ABOUT UNTIL WE GET, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH JENKINS, I THINK, BUT WE WERE PHASING OUT THE DEVELOPMENT FOR JENKINS.
IT'S LIKE WE DON'T HAVE THE WHOLE SCOPE OR THE FUNDS DELAY THAT A LITTLE FURTHER.
THIS WILL HELP GET US TO A FOCUS SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN AN EDUCATED DISCUSSION WITH THEM.
'CAUSE I MEAN, I I HEAR YOU WANT THE LOCAL INPUT, THE LOCAL CONTROL, WHICH I THINK IS VERY FAIR AND BALANCE, BUT WE WOULDN'T BE PREPARED TO HAVE EVEN A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THE ILA WOULD LOOK LIKE IN, IN AN AGREEMENT WITHOUT WHAT WE CAN THINK WE CAN HANDLE AND OR WHO.
SO, AND AS YOU BUILD THIS OUT, EVENTUALLY IT'LL BE A COMMUNITY, MAYBE A, SORRY, A REGIONAL, OH, PARK.
BUT WE HAVE AN OPTION THAT MAYBE THIS GETS DONE OVER TIME AND WHETHER WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE EXTERNAL FUNDS VERSUS CITY FUNDS, WE HAVE A BETTER FOCUS CERTAINLY IF WE TAKE IT SLOWLY AT HOW MANY ACRES, IF WE DO EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE, YES WE WILL NEED THOSE EXTERNAL FUNDS.
IF WE TAKE IT IN SMALLER, IT'S, IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE DO OVER TIME.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IF WE HAVEN'T.
AND, AND I COULD SEE THAT I'M JUST CAUTIOUS ABOUT 700,000 IS A LOT AND SO I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T WANT TO GO MILLION DOLLARS THAT THAT'S A VERY VALUABLE CONVERSATION.
YOU KNOW, I I THAT'S A CHUNK OF MONEY.
YEAH, AND I HEAR YOU ANDREA, BUT YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S POLITICAL WILL TO PARTICIPATE, POLITICIANS ARE, THEY WON'T GET IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
YOU DON'T THINK THEY WOULD PARTICIPATE ON, ON PRELIMINARY DESIGN IN ANY, IN ANY WAY.
OR IF HE'S ENTERTAINED PARTICIPATING ON THAT, ON THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN, THEN YOU KNOW, IT'S A PARTNERSHIP YOU WOULD THINK THEY WOULD WANT TO BE IN FROM THE GET GO.
FRANK SAID THAT HE, IT WAS NOT A LIST.
WELL, WELL IT SOUNDS LIKE WE REALLY HAVEN'T SAT DOWN AND SO ALL MY DEALINGS WITH THE COUNTY BEFORE TIME THEY WERE INVOLVED IS SHARED PROJECTS ON ENGINEERING.
THEY GO TO THEIR ENGINEERS, THEY PICK THEIR ENGINEERS, WHICH REMOVES THE ACCESS THAT THEY, THAT WE PROBABLY NEED AS A GROUP TO INFLUENCE WHAT WE WANT IN THIS PARK.
AND THAT'S, IT'S VERY PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE ONCE YOU TURN IT OVER, YOU'RE TURNING IT OVER TO THE COUNTY.
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QUESTION.SO AMERICAN LITTLE LEAGUE PARK IMPROVEMENTS.
MAN, THAT 1.56 MILLION WE DID.
I TALKED TO, TO RICK AND CLIFF A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD THINK ABOUT WHAT THE CRITICAL NEED IS IMMEDIATELY OUT OF THAT 1.56 OR ALL OF THOSE? DO Y'ALL REALLY CONSIDER ALL OF THOSE THINGS CRITICAL POINT IN TIME HERE? WELL, THE, THE RESTROOMS ARE NOT A DA OKAY.
SO THERE'S A, FROM AN OVERALL STANDPOINT, CLIFF HAS COMMUNICATED WE CANNOT GET THE USAGE OUT OF THAT FACILITY LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE FROM A SPORTS TOURISM KIND STANCE.
ALSO, THE CONCESSION STAND DOESN'T DO WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO.
THE BOOSTERS HAVE A VERY LONG WISH AND WANT LIST.
AND THIS REPRESENTS KIND OF US TAKING THE WANTS, NOT THE FULL WISHES NECESSARILY.
SO WHAT WE DO IS SOME BUILDING RENOVATIONS THERE.
THIS IS NOT FIELD AND TURF AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO THIS IS MORE OF A FACILITY IMPROVEMENT, ACTUAL USABILITY TOO.
I MEAN THEY, THEY HAVE ALL KINDS OF RESTROOM ISSUES AND THEY, THE LITTLE LEAGUES IN BAYTOWN, ALL, ALL THE YOUTH SPORTS, MAYBE THE GIRLS FAST PITCH IS THE EXCEPTION, BUT THE, THEY ALL HAVE REALLY OLD, OUTDATED FACILITIES.
AND UH, I MEAN IT'S JUST THE SAME THING AS YOU HEAR THE STORIES ABOUT THE FIRE STATIONS AND THE POLICE.
I MEAN, IT'S BEEN NEGLECTED FOR A WHILE.
I MEAN, WE'VE PUT IN THINGS LIKE FENCES AND SCOREBOARDS AND GONE IN AND PUT AS MUCH LIPSTICK ON THE PIG AS POSSIBLE.
BUT I MEAN IT'S, IT'S STILL BIG.
SO
IT'S KIND AND IT'S COSTING US ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FOR CONCESSION STAND AND SOME RESTROOMS. GEE WHI SO AGAIN, IF, IF, IF YOU JUST FOR FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE, AGAIN IN THE THE MATH, THIS IS CONSTRUCTION THAT CAN HARD CONSTRUCTION AND THEN YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT 4.5 TO 5% FOR WHAT YOU HAVE FOR MATERIAL TESTING AND MANAGEMENT OF THAT.
SO IF YOU TAKE A LITTLE BIT, RIGHT? SO, BUT IT DOES COST, I MEAN THIS EXACT PROJECT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN WAS ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO AND IT WAS STANDARD BASED CONSTRUCTION.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT HAVING ONE OF THOSE, WE'LL CALL IT ROOMS WITHIN ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS, HOUSE THE ELECTRICAL FOR PARK LIGHTING AND BE ABLE TO DO SOME REMOTE KIND OF CONTROLS LIKE, OR JUST IMPROVEMENT, RIGHT? SO THAT EVERYTHING ISN'T EXPOSED OUTSIDE TO GROSS OF, YOU KNOW, I GUESS, UH, THE NATURE OF THAT.
BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A FACILITY THAT IS CONSTANTLY GETTING VANDALIZED OR IS CLOSED, WELL HOW DO YOU KEEP THIS USABLE FOR, YOU KNOW, DURING THE TIME OF DAY THAT YOU WANT TO, IT'S JUST BEEN ABUSED FOR SO LONG.
SO WILL IT MEET THE A DA? PROBABLY NOT.
WILL IT MEET CURRENT CODES AND STANDARDS? PROBABLY NOT.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND THEN I THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE, WELL IF YOU HAVE FOUR MODES VERSUS TWO OR IF YOU DO ANY OF THAT CHANGE, WILL IT STILL FLUSH THE SAME WAY WE STILL BE ABLE TO HAVE USABILITY FROM, FROM THAT STANDPOINT, WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT FOR THE SIZE OF THE PARK AND THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, THE NUMBER OF PATRONS, WE CAN GET SOMETHING GOOD OUT OF, OUT OF THAT IN TERMS OF MAKE SURE THAT THE SIZING IS CORRECT.
AND THIS DOES INCLUDE A SMALL LITTLE FACILITY FOR A PLAYGROUND SO THAT YOUR AGES, SO IF GRANDMA COMES WITH SMALL YOUNG ONES, THEY CAN GO AND HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A PLAYGROUND WHILE THE CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, THE MIDDLE KIND OF AGE GROUP OF OF KIDS IS OUT THERE PLAYING.
SO WE HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT SOME IMPROVEMENTS, NOT JUST COMPLETE REPLACES THE, THE LAST TIME I HEARD THAT ARGUMENT FROM OUR DEPARTMENT STARTED OFF WITH, WE CAN GO INTO WATER PARK NEXT WAYNE GRAY FIELDS JUST FOR, JUST AS YOU DESCRIBED AT THAT FRANKEN STONE.
IT'S A GREAT FRANKEN STICK
THIS IS STRICTLY AGAIN, IT'S IT'S ONE OF HOW MANY LITTLE LEAGUE PARKS? THREE.
WE'RE SPENDING A MILLION AND A HALF HERE.
THIS IS ONE WE, USING WHAT WE UNDERSTAND, THIS IS THE ONE THEY USE THE MOST.
THE OTHER UH, THE ONE UP HERE, IT'S NOT NORTH LITTLE LEAGUE, IT AMERICAN.
THE LITTLE LEAGUES MERGED TOGETHER.
THEY USED TO BE FOUR DIFFERENT ONES AND WHEN THEY MERGED TOGETHER THEY WENT TO AN AMERICAN.
THAT'S THE ONE LOCATED, THAT'S THE ONE BEHIND WALMART THAT AMERICAN LEAGUES.
PREVIOUS TO NORTH ONE WAS NORTH.
THE ONE, THE ONE THAT'S ON SCHOOL PROPERTY, CORRECT.
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RIGHT.LEMME BE HONEST WITH YOU, YOU ON SCHOOL PROPERTY AND THAT HASN'T BEEN RESOLVED YET.
SO WE SPEND A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS ON PARK THAT'S ON NOT OUR PROPERTY.
I MEAN AT ONE POINT WE DID HAVE THIS IN ENTERED GOVERNMENTAL MEETINGS.
I MEAN HAVE WE APPROACHED THEM? JUST CURIOSITY.
THAT RICK WAS WORKING ON THAT WITH A LAND SWAP WITH BUNCH OF DIFFERENT AREAS.
PARKS REC HAS NOT BEEN TRYING TO ACQUIRE THAT.
I JUST TELL THE SCHOOL OF DISTRICT CONGRATULATIONS, IT WAS ONE OF THE MILLION BUCKS.
OH, BUT MORE THAN THAT OVER TIME.
WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT WAS OUR OR IT WAS THEIRS.
TO BE FAIR, IT'S BEEN USED A LOT BY A LOT OF CHILDREN WHO, WHO HAS GOTTEN A LOT OUT OF THAT FACILITY.
WELL THERE KIDS THAT ARE NOW COACHING THAT YOU THERE AND THERE, THERE'S GRANDPARENTS THAT PLAYED IN THESE SAME FIELDS ON THESE SAME THING.
IT'S NOT JUST PARENTS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, YOU CAN SAY THAT IT IS OUR PROPERTY AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT ARGUMENT.
BUT YOU GOTTA ADMIT THAT THE, IT HAS EXCEEDED ITS LIFE AND IT HAS IMPACTED A BUNCH OF OUR, OUR PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY THE WAY IT'S INTENDED TO.
BUT IT, IT, IT BEARS, I MEAN THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A LITTLE NOTE OFF TO THE SIDE ABOUT POLICE AND I THINK ADMINISTRATION KIND OF IS IS COGNIZANT OF THAT.
WE'RE TRYING TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT IF WE HAVE A PLAN, SHOULD THERE BE, WE, WE BARELY, BARELY GOTTEN STARTED ON A DESIGN, HAD A LOT OF QUALMS OF SPINNING ONE HAVE MADE ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.
THEN YOU WANNA MOVE TO THE LAST ONE, WAYNE GRAY.
UM, ON THE PARKS THERE WE HAVE REAL QUICK.
SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT WE'RE DEFERRING THE CONSTRUCTION UNTIL WE COMPLETE THE DESIGN.
WE WENT FROM DESIGN, YOU KNOW, PARKING AND INCREASED DRAINAGE AND THEN THE TURF COMPONENT AND THEN GO BUY ADDITIONAL PARKING PARCEL, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DISCUSSION RUN FEED FOR MDD ON THAT.
BUT, UH, JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THIS STILL CONSIDERS GULF MOVING FORWARD WITH THE 800,000 IN HOT FUNDS FOR THE ARTIFICIAL TURF.
SO WE'RE ALL WE'RE SAYING IS WE WANNA GET THROUGH DESIGN BEFORE WE JUMP INTO CONSTRUCTION.
800 GET US ON ARTIFICIAL TURF.
OH THE INFIELDS FOUR IN FIELDS.
THE UH, IF YOU BIG LEAGUE DREAM IN LAKE CITY, IT IS LIKE IT'S INFIELD SURFING AND THEN GRASS OUT.
AND THEN JUST REAL QUICK, WE'RE GONNA LUMP TRANSPORTATION TOGETHER BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE FOR THE MOST PART ON THE SAME PAGE.
MARKET STREET REVITALIZATIONS LEVERAGED AND FUNDING, WHICH IS GREAT.
SAME THING CAN BE SAID ABOUT GAR ROAD, WHICH IS A CRITICAL NEED AND INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.
I THINK WE, WE FEEL THEY'RE NEEDED AS WELL.
I GUESS I HAD A QUESTION, FRANK.
SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT FRANK AND I TANGLED WITH AND I THINK I TANGLED WITH EVERYBODY.
FRANK, YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT, IT'S, KEVIN ISN'T IN A LOT BETTER CONDITION THAN, THAN THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF YEAH, KEVIN JUST DID A RECENT ASSESSMENT OF IT AND THAT'S WHY HE, BECAUSE YOU FEELS LIKE IF, IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING NOW, IT'S GONNA BE BEYOND WHERE WE CAN DO THE PRESERVATION.
WE'LL HAVE TO DO CONSTRUCTION.
I DON'T WANNA GET TO THAT POINT.
THE PRESERVATION REALLY HELP US PREFER AVOID COSTS.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT I, I'VE HEARD, I IT'S JUST HEARSAY.
ARE BE EXPERIENCING ANY SORT OF COMPLICATIONS OR WRINKLES WHATSOEVER IN PHASE ONE, PRESERVATION ON NORMAL HAS BEEN ANY FAILURES? OR IS IT, IS IT PERFORMING AS ANTICIPATED IN EVERY WAY? YES SIR.
IN GENERAL, I, IT'S MY COMMENT, MY THOUGHT THE OTHER DAY IS WE NEED TO PAY OVER THIS THING 'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY STARTING TO BREAK OFF CORNERS OF AREAS.
CRACKS ARE, ARE MEANING WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO GAIN AND I, I DON'T SEE THE GAME LIKE ON, SO WE'RE GONNA GO OVER THAT WITH A TWO INCH ASPHALT OVERLAY.
REMIND ME WHY WE COULDN'T DO THAT WITH NORTH MAIN.
SO WHY ARE WE DOING IT ON, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN DOING IT ROAD? THERE'S A JUSTIFICATION THERE, BUT NOT MAIN 'CAUSE WORK WAS TOO FAR GONE TO THE
WE WOULD'VE HAD BASICALLY THE PANELS WERE EXISTING PAVEMENT ASPH.
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TIME IS COMING, WE ALL NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUTSO IF WE LOOK AT OUR, THE SECTION WE JUST DID IS IN THE SEVEN TO 10, IT BUYS US TIME, IT BUYS US TIME.
WELL EVEN IF WE DON'T, SO LET'S THINK ABOUT ALL THE OTHER COMPONENTS, RIGHT? OURS, HOW MUCH WE SPENT ON THAT.
WELL THE AMOUNT THAT WE SPENT HAD WE, WE LOOKED AT THAT DURING THE, I DON'T RECONSTRUCTION ABOUT 12 TO 15 MILLION.
I TOLD 11 IN THE BEGINNING, BUT I UNDERSTAND WE COMPARED THE COST OF THAT PAVEMENT RESTORATION THAN I DID.
YOU REMEMBER THAT? IT WAS, IT WAS GOING TO BE ASTRONOMICAL AT THE TIME TO DO THAT.
AND CONCRETE'S EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE NOW.
I'M CONFIDENT WE TIED THE PANELS TOGETHER.
WILL IT BE COMPLETED? YEAH, TOMMY.
YEAH WE CAN GAR ROAD WE CAN DO THAT.
THIS IS, AND THIS IS ONE LEAD AT A TIME COMPLETED BEFORE OR AFTER MC.
ALRIGHT, I WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S COMPLETELY, THAT'S A SIDE, THAT'S A SIDE THAT'S A SIDE DISCUSSION.
ANY OTHER TIMING WISE? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE TRANSPORTATION LIST IN FRONT OF, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WE, WE REDUCE THE SCOPE OF BAKER.
THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD LIKE YOUR BUT A LITTLE BIT OF A, WE REDUCED, SO TYPICALLY WE WANNA DO A PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING, RIGHT? SO PRELIMINARY DESIGN SO THAT WE CAN GO AFTER FUNDING.
WE HAVE SUBMITTED THIS ROADWAY FOR HGAC TIP FUNDING, WHICH IS THAT 80 20 FEDERAL SHARE.
SO WE NEED THIS DOCUMENT IN ORDER TO GET ONTO SOME SERIOUS CONSIDERATION.
NOW I REDUCED IT TO JUST PHASE ONE THINKING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO A NUMBER THAT MADE SENSE.
IT WAS 500,000 UM, TO DO THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING FOR THE WHOLE THING AND IT'S WHAT WE CALL SHOVEL READY, RIGHT.
TO GET US TO A POINT WHERE WE GET FUNDING AND THEN COULDN'T GO INTO DESIGN.
MY SIDE IS ENOUGH BECAUSE THAT SECTION OF BAY ROAD IS VERY COMPLICATED ROAD.
YOU CROSSING HARRIS COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL DITCH CROSSING A UTILITIES, YOU CROSSING MAJOR PIPELINE, WHICH IS WHY WE HAD 500.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO GIVE SOME OPTIONS.
YEAH, THAT'S A COMPLICATED WITH A COMPLICATED SECTION.
THE THE MARKET STREET NOT A MILLION.
IT DEFERS A MILLION BUT THAT CONTINGENCY ON YEAR.
SO KEEP THE AMOUNT AT 2 MILLION AND WE GET A MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 23 AND A MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 24 BECAUSE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT PROJECT, I'VE GOT THOSE, SOME OF THOSE SCHEDULES NOW.
AND SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY YEAH BUT I, I'M A LITTLE HESITANT TO WE DID DEFER CARD.
I WAS GONNA GO BACK BUT THANK YOU.
IF YOU ALL DON'T MIND, LET'S FLIP BACK ONE PAGE TO THE BOTTOM.
IT IT'S BECAUSE GARTH WAS THE LAST BLUE LINE, BUT ALL OF THE EXPLANATION, UM, ACTUALLY WHERE DID IT GO? OH YEAH, IT'S THERE.
IT'S THE LAST UM, SO THE 6.7 MILLION NUMBER UM, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT GARTH AT ZERO, RIGHT? SO 6.7 WAS MARKET AND GARTH AT ZERO.
IT USED TO HAVE UM, SORRY HERE THERE IT'S, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M LOOKING AT THE RIGHT ONE.
SO I LOOKED AT WHERE WE ARE IN OUR DESIGN AND THEY HAVE NOT RELEASED US ON OUR ROADWAY ENVIRONMENTAL, WHICH MEANS WE CANNOT BUY ALL OF THE STRIPS THAT WE NEED BY WHICH WILL PUSH US INTO DEFINITELY NEXT FISCAL YEAR FOR CONSTRUCTION NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
IT'S FISCAL YEAR IS JUST A SPIN DIFFERENT THAN OURS, BUT IT'S NOT DIFFERENT ENOUGH TO KIND OF BE A CONCERN.
SO WHAT THIS PROPOSES IS TO DEFER THE AMOUNT FOR CONSTRUCTION SHOWN OF 2.557 AND THE CONTINGENCY BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE NOT EXTENDED A WHOLE LOT OF OUR 2020 BONDS THAT WE SOLD FOR HER.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT DEFER, WE'RE NOT FLOWING THE VOLUME.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SPEND THIS MONEY UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR LAURA, I DON'T HAVE THE 200,000 ON THE BACK.
OH, I WOULD ADD IT BACK IN AGAIN.
THAT'S A VERY COMPLICATED PIECE OF
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BREATH.GO BACK UP TO FIVE IF IT DIDN'T HAVE THE FLOOD CONTROL DITCH AND THE MAJOR PIPELINE AND THE CURVE IN IT AND HAVE THE 30 MILLION, 30,000.
AS LONG AS WE'RE OKAY WITHOUT A ROUND NUMBER WE, YEAH, NO YOU GUYS LIKE ROUND NUMBERS BUT WE DID DOWN, WE ADDED BACK IN HERE.
UM, I'LL GO, I'LL GO BACK TO DON MURRAY, THAT ONE TIME COUNSELOR.
WE MAKE A COMMENT IN 400 PAGE BUDGET AND YOU HAVE THIS NUMBER ON PAGE 24 AND YOU GOT THIS NUMBER ON PAGE 200.
WHICH ONE'S WRONG? THIS, THIS WHOLE PENNIES ARE, OKAY, WELL THIS WILL STILL BE SOME, IT'LL STILL BE AROUND NUMBER, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROJECT CONTINGENCIES, BUT I DON'T WANNA DO IS REDUCE THE PROJECT CONTINGENCY WITHIN THIS BOND ISSUANCE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAST PAGE, IT'S 1.121 FOR CONTINGENCIES AND THAT DOES GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF, NOT WANT TO REDUCE THAT TOO MUCH BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION ON IF SOMETHING HAPPENS I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE YOUR ORDERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, SHOULD, SHOULD GARTH BECOME AN ISSUE AT LEAST YOU HAVE A MILLION THERE TO, YOU KNOW, START IT.
WELL WE APPRECIATE IT, UH, GUYS FOR TAKING ANOTHER LOOK AT IT.
Y'ALL KIND OF BEAT US TO THE PUNCH THERE.
STOLE OUR THUNDER, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
WORK WE HAVE TO PREPARE FOR YOU.
OTHERWISE IT'S, IT'S GOOD FOR US TO CONTINUE COMMEND FORWARD.
WELL WE WE WE'RE, WE WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA
[2.a. Consider setting date, time and location for the next Architectural and Engineering Committee meeting, along with any related tasks and processes.]
HAVE A THIRD AND FINAL MEETING SOON AND THEN I'LL, I'LL, I'LL LET RICK KNOW AND TOMORROW.TOMORROW, WELL I UNDERSTAND, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO HAVE OUR FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS TOMORROW.
DO YOU THINK GUYS? I MEAN THAT'D BE TOUGH.
SO PROBABLY BY WHEN'S THE SECOND? THURSDAY? THURSDAY MAYBE.
MAYBE WE COULD POSSIBLY BE I'M GONNA MEET BY THURSDAY.
YOU I DID WHAT'S THE THIRD? WHEN'S THE THIRD QUESTION? THIRD IS NEXT WEEK.
NEXT WHAT DAY? NEXT WEEK? I THINK IT'S THE 23RD.
WE'LL BE READY FOR THE THIRD FOR SURE.
HOW'S THAT? MAYBE, MAYBE ABOUT THURSDAY.
HOPEFULLY I'LL VISIT WITH MINE AND UH OKAY, THANKS GUYS.