* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:23] IT IS NOW 4 0 3 ON TUESDAY, AUGUST THE 23RD. LET ME CALL TO THIS, UH, MEETING, SPECIAL MEETING OVER THE BOARD OF INVESTMENT. AND A TO DO AN OFFICIAL BECKY. HERE, GILBERT. HERE. MIKE. MIKE HERE. MARK. HERE. HERE WE HAVE A COURTROOM, RIGHT? NAY DO. ALRIGHT, WE GO TO ITEM [2. MINUTES] TWO ON OUR AGENDA IS TO CONSIDER APPROVING THE MINUTES OF OUR JULY 12TH MEETING. 12TH. ELSE WOULD SEEK A MOTION FROM ON THE BOARD FOR APPROVE. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. SECOND DISCUSSION. HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVE MINUTES, PLEASE SAY, AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? ALRIGHTY. TODAY WE'VE GOT, UM, TWO ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA. UM, BOTH HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND A REQUEST FOR LEGAL OF EITHER AN EXCEPTION OR VARIANCE. AND I'M GOING READ THE, UH, THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS ONE TIME. THAT'LL COVER POSTS. ALRIGHT. PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE HELD FOR THE PURPOSE OF GIVING ALL INTERESTED PERSONS THE RIGHT TO SPEAK AND BE HEARD AT THESE MEETINGS. EVERYONE DESIRING TO SPEAK TODAY'S HEARINGS, UH, SHOULD HAVE SIGNED THE APPROPRIATE LIST TABLE, PROVIDE OUR SPEAKING ORDER FOR EACH OF OUR HEARINGS. UH, I WOULD ASK EACH SPEAKER TO GIVE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS SO WE HAVE A PROPER RECORD OF THAT FOR THIS HEARING. UH, OUR RULES ARE, UH, THREE MINUTES ARE A AMOUNT FOR EACH SPEAKER AND THAT, UM, SO PLEASE BE CONCISE, UH, IN YOUR, IN YOUR QUESTIONS OR YOUR PRESENTATION IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, DIRECTED TO ME, AND I'LL EITHER ANSWER 'EM OR GET STAFF TO HELP ME ANSWER THEM. SO, ITEM THREE A, [a. Conduct a public hearing and consider a request regarding a special exception for property consisting of approximately 1.10 acres located at 2711 North Main Street, Baytown, Harris County, from the Unified Land Development Code (ULDC), Article II, Division 3, Section 2.10 Land Use Conditions, condition A40, requesting a reduction from the required building setback and the required vegetative buffer for a warehouse use in a General Commercial Zoning District.] UH, I'LL OPEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING. IT IS TO, UH, HEAR, INPUT AND CONSIDER A REQUEST REGARDING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION. THE PROPERTY CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY 1.1 ACRES, LOCATED AT 27 11 NORTH MAINE, BAYTOWN HARRIS COUNTY. AND THAT EXCEPTION IS FROM THE UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. ARTICLE TWO, DIVISION THREE, SECTION 2 1 1 0 LAND USE CONDITIONS CONDITION A 40, REQUESTING A REDUCTION FROM THE REQUIRED BUILDING SETBACK AND REQUIRED STATED FOR A WAREHOUSE USE AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING. DISTRICT ASKED STAFF TO USE THE RUNDOWN ON THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU, UH, FOR THE RECORD. MARTIN SCRIBNER FROM PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. SO, UM, YOU'LL REMEMBER THAT, UM, YOU GUYS HEARD THIS ITEM BACK IN MAY, AND THE REASON IT'S BACK BEFORE YOU TODAY IS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET A, WE, WE HAD A, UM, WE HAD A FAILURE ON A MOTION, BUT THEN WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ACTUAL MOTION THAT THAT PASSED. SO, UM, SO IT'S BACK BEFORE YOU TODAY. UM, THE APPLICANT HAD REQUESTED TO PUT THIS OFF UNTIL AUGUST. UM, OBVIOUSLY WE HAD A MEETING A COUPLE WEEKS AGO THAT WE COULDN'T HAVE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM FOR THAT MEETING. SO, UM, THE REQUEST REMAINS THE SAME. UM, THE, I I WILL GO OVER IT REAL QUICK TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KIND OF REMEMBERS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME. THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO DO A RUN, A RUNDOWN OF THEIR PRESENTATION, WHICH I DIDN'T HAVE LAST TIME. SO I THINK THIS ONE WILL MUCH BETTER ILLUSTRATE WHAT IT IS THEY'RE GOING FOR. UM, AND AGAIN, THAT'LL KIND OF BE UP TO THEM. SO I'M GONNA DO THE SUMMARY OF THE REQUEST AND WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, AND THEN LET THE APPLICANT KIND OF GO FROM THERE. SO, IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER, UM, THIS IS A REDUCTION FROM THE SETBACKS FOR A WAREHOUSE IN A GC DISTRICT. IF IT'S A WAREHOUSE IN A DIFFERENT, IN AN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHAT IT'S KIND OF BUILT FOR, THEN, UM, THE, THE REQUIREMENTS ARE DIFFERENT. BUT, UH, IN A GC DISTRICT, THE BIG ONE THAT'S KIND OF HURTS PEOPLE ON THIS ONE IS A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK ON ALL SIDES. AND THEN THE VEGETATIVE BUFFER, WHICH IS PART OF THE, UM, COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS IN, UM, IN A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONE, WHICH IS ALL, WHICH IS 50 FEET. UM, AND I'LL GO OVER THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING [00:05:01] IS 25 FOOT SETBACKS, WHICH WOULD BE A, THAT'S THE SETBACK FOR ANYTHING ELSE IN A GC ZONE, UM, WITH THE ADJUSTED VEGETATIVE BUFFER TO BE AT 25 FEET OR LESS. AND THEN A SEVEN FOOT OPAQUE FENCE. SO, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS AT THE CORNER OF NORTH MAIN AND HAROLD LANE. YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IS CURRENT WHERE THE U-HAUL, UM, IT CURRENTLY IS. HERE'S LANIER DRIVE, AGAIN, NORTH MAIN HERE, MAIN AND STATE STREET ON THE WEST. THE PROPOSED USE IS A, UH, IS A SMALL WAREHOUSE, UM, GENTLEMAN, I'VE SLEPT SINCE THEN. IT'S LIKE 12 AND A HALF THOUSAND SQUARE FEET IN THAT RANGE. SO, UM, THIS BUILDING WOULD COME DOWN. IT'S RIGHT HERE. AND THE NEW BUILDING IS PROPOSED TO BE RIGHT IN THIS AREA OVER HERE AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE ALONG HAROLD AND STATE. AND, AND THAT STRUCTURE WOULD BE FOR THEIR, UH, THEIR WOULD BASICALLY A POD. SO IT'S A, UH, THEY TAKE THOSE CONTAINERS TO SOMEBODY'S HOUSE, THEY LOAD THEM THEMSELVES, AND THEN THEY COME PICK THEM UP, DROP 'EM OFF WHERE THEY'RE, WHEREVER THEY'RE GOING AND THEY COME BACK AND PICK 'EM UP AFTER THEY'RE EMPTY. SO THIS, THIS STRUCTURE WOULD HOUSE BOTH EMPTY ONES AND FULL ONES, UH, IN TRANSIT. DID YOU SAY THE BUILDING THAT IS CURRENTLY IN FRONT WOULD BE RAISED? YES. IT WOULD'VE BEEN THAT THAT BUILDING RIGHT NOW IS RIGHT ABOUT HERE. SO THAT BUILDING WOULD BE, UM, WOULD BE TORN DOWN. SO WE'RE, YEAH, THAT USED TO BE, UH, I THINK IT WAS A BAKERY AT ONE TIME, AND IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS. CLEANER, THE CLEANER , THAT'S FINE TOO. UM, WE WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE BEEN IN THE BIG ROOM, BUT UP UNTIL YESTERDAY THERE WAS ANOTHER MEETING SCHEDULED IN THERE, SO, UH, WE'RE STUCK IN HERE TODAY. ALRIGHT. SO, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WE HAD THE LAST TIME. UM, IT HAS CHANGED SOMEWHAT IN THAT, UH, THERE WOULD BE MORE LANDSCAPING ALONG HERE AND ALONG THE NORTH SIDE. AND ALSO A, UM, A WALL, UH, A BRICK WALL THAT WOULD BE ALSO UP THE WEST AND UP THE, THE LITTLE SIDE. OTHERWISE IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME SITE PLAN. SO MARTIN, THEIR DETENTION PONDS, WERE BEHIND IT ON STREET. I THINK THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED LOCATION OF ANY KIND, THE BLACK ONE BACK. WELL WITH, WITH THE, UM, WELL, I'LL, I'LL LET THE APPLICANTS KIND OF GO OVER THE DETAILS OF THE SITE PLAN ITSELF. UM, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED GC EVERYTHING TO THE NORTH, SOUTH AND EAST IS ALSO ZONED GC ALONG NORTH MAIN. AND THEN EVERYTHING TO THE WEST IS SF TWO, WHICH OF COURSE IS A SINGLE FAMILY, UM, MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. UM, SO SOME OF THE CONDITIONS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT WAREHOUSE USE IN THE GC. SO AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE ZONING CODE, YOU'LL SEE THAT GC IS ALLOWED WITH, UH, WITH CONDITIONS IN THE GC ZONE. AND WITH THAT, THERE ARE SOME SPECIAL, THOSE CONDITIONS ARE LOCATION OF THE DOCKING BASE. THEY CAN'T FACE THE, THEY CAN'T FACE THE ROADWAYS. THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING HAS TO BE ON AN ART STREET. UM, BUT IT ALSO HAS A MINIMUM BUILDING SETBACK OF A HUNDRED FOOT. AGAIN, THIS IS ON A SMALLER LOT, IT'S KIND OF A SHOWSTOPPER. SO WITHIN THIS SETBACK, YOU HAVE TO HAVE 50 FEET OF OPEN SPACE, 50 FEET OF VEGETATIVE BUMPER, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IN 50 FEET. YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE TREES AND SHRUBS AND OTHER KINDS OF BUFFERING THAT'S GREEN. AND THEN IN THE OPEN SPACE, IT BASICALLY HAS TO BE OPEN. YOU WOULD ALLOW SOMETHING LIKE A, UM, A DETENTION POND OR SOMETHING WOULD BE IN SPACE. THAT'S OKAY. AND IF THE WAREHOUSE EXCEEDS 10,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH THIS ONE DOES, IT ALSO HAS TO ADHERE TO THAT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL VEGETATIVE BUFFER. THAT'S THE 50 FOOT THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, WHICH WOULD BASICALLY LOOK LIKE THAT'S 25 FEET, UM, WITH A DOUBLE ROW OF LARGE TREES AND SHRUBS. AND THEN 25 FEET. UH, INSIDE THAT, THAT IS, UH, ONE ROW OF LARGE TREES AT 25 FEET APART. UH, THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. THIS DOES SHOW THE AREA AS SLATED FOR, UH, GENERAL COMMERCIAL AS A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, UH, BOTH TO THE EAST, WEST AND SOUTH, AND SOME TO THE NORTH, ALONG WITH [00:10:01] SOME MORE OF THIS RESIDENTIAL. NOW, I WILL POINT OUT THAT, AGAIN, THIS IS ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL OVER HERE AS A LONG RANGE PLANNED. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF, IF THAT CHANGES, WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING ANYBODY COME IN AND MOW DOWN THOSE HOUSES. WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING AS PART OF THE COMP PLAN IS THAT EVENTUALLY OVER TIME, AS THOSE LOTS HAVE CEASED TO BE USEFUL AS RESIDENTIAL, WE WOULD SEE THOSE BECOMING COMMERCIAL. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S LONG RANGE VISION. UM, SO WE'LL KINDA SEE WHERE THAT TAKES IT. UM, UH, THESE ARE THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE SITE AND THE SURROUNDING AREA. THIS IS VIEWING THE SITE FROM THE NORTH. UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, I DID THAT WITH THE, UH, PANORAMIC VIEW ON, SO IT'S A LITTLE, SO THE, SO THOSE POWER LINES DON'T ACTUALLY GO LIKE THAT. YEAH, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT, THAT THERE'S THE BUILDING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT'S ON SITE CURRENTLY. UM, THERE IS THIS OPEN, BASICALLY JUST GRASS RIGHT NOW. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE U-HAUL, UM, SELF STORAGE TO THE SOUTH. AND AGAIN, WHEN THAT BUILDING GOES DOWN, THAT'LL BE PARKING, CORRECT. UM, THIS IS FROM THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. THIS IS BASICALLY STANDING ALONG, MAIN LOOKING WEST, UH, ALONG THE SOUTH PART OF THE, UH, THE PROPERTY. AGAIN, THIS IS THE EXISTING U-HAUL SELF STORAGE. THIS IS LOOKING NORTH ALONG MAIN STREET. UM, UH, THIS IS THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THIS IS VIEWING, UH, LOOKS LIKE NORTHEAST AT THE PROPERTY FROM THE, FROM THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY. THIS IS LOOKING SOUTHEAST AT THE PROPERTY FROM THE CORNER. AND THEN THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH ALONG THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE THE U-HAUL SELF STORAGE HERE. YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL HOMES, UH, ALONG THE WESTERN SIDE OF, AND THEN THIS IS VIEWING MORE NORTHWEST. AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL IS PRETTY CLOSE TO THE SITE. AND THEN THIS IS ALONG HAROLD, UH, TO THE NORTHEAST LET'S THE ESTABLISHED BUSINESSES HERE. YES, THAT'S THE LAST ONE. SO, UM, STAFF HAS MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL BUFFERING. THIS, UH, THIS IS TO ILLUSTRATE THAT BUFFERING AND WHERE IT WOULD BE AT. SO THE RECOMMENDED BUFFERING WOULD BE ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. WE WOULD HAVE A DOUBLE TRANSITION BUFFER ZONE. CURRENTLY IN THE, UM, UNIT CODE, THERE IS A TRANSITION BUFFER ZONE THAT IS IDENTIFIED AS 10 FOOT WIDE, A VEGETATIVE BUFFER WITH A ROW OF, UH, WITH A ROW OF MODERATE TO FAST GROWING EVERGREEN TREES. WHAT WE'VE SUGGESTED IS TO DOUBLE THAT BECAUSE OF THE, THAT IS GOING ON ON THE SITE AND THE PROXIMITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES THAT ARE TO THE, TO WEST. SO WE WOULD SEE A DOUBLE ROW OF THAT TRANSITION BUFFER ALONG THE WEST SIDE, A A DOUBLE ROW AS WELL HERE ALONG WHERE THE BUILDING WOULD BE AT ALONG THE NORTH. AND THEN A, THE NORMAL STREET SCAPE ALONG THE REST OF HAROLD LANE, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT LESS, UH, LESS VEGETATION. UM, THAT ONE, I TAKE THAT BACK. THIS, THIS PIECE HERE WOULD JUST BE THE SINGLE TRANSITION BUFFER SUM. SO THIS WOULD BE 10 FOOT WITH ONE ROW OF TREES AND TRUCKS. UM, ALSO A MASONRY FENCE ALONG BOTH THESE AREAS. HERE, AGAIN, TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE, THE, UM, THE BUFFER BETWEEN THIS USE AND ESSENTIAL. AND THEN AGAIN, THE STREET SCAPE, WHICH IS 11, UH, SIX FEET ALONG THE LOCAL STREET AND 12 FEET ALONG THE MINOR ARTERIAL, WHICH THIS IS WHAT, UH, LET'S SEE. THIS IS FOR THE MINOR ARTERIAL, WHICH IS, UH, 12 FOOT. AGAIN, WE'D SEE TREES 30 FOOT AND WITH SHRUBS PLANTED IN BETWEEN. AND THEN THIS WOULD BE, UH, SIMILAR BUT ONLY SIX FOOT WIDE. UM, THERE WERE ADDITIONAL CONCERNS FROM STAFF, WHICH IS THE POTENTIAL LOADING DOCK HEIGHT, UH, BECAUSE IT'S WITHIN THAT 25 FOOT REQUIRED SETBACK OF ANY OTHER, UM, GC TYPE USE. UM, WE HAVE BASICALLY SAID THIS, THIS HAS GOTTA BE AT, AT GROUND LEVEL. AND THEN, UH, THE SIGHT LIGHTING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT THAT LIGHTING TO SPILL OVER INTO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE FELT, UM, IF WE COULD, IF THE APPLICANT CAN STICK WITH WHAT STAFF HAS REQUI HAS RECOMMENDED, [00:15:01] THEN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS PRETTY MUCH OVERCOME ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAD, UH, ABOUT THIS USE. SO AGAIN, AS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, WE NEED TO, UM, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE CRITERIA THAT ARE IN THE CODE. SO THE FIRST ONE IS THAT IT ENSURES THIS THE SAME GENERAL LEVEL LAND USE COMPATIBILITY. UM, AGAIN, AS MOST OF THE SURROUNDING USES ARE PRETTY COMPATIBLE, AS WELL AS WE DO NEED TO PAY SOME SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THOSE RESIDENTIAL, UM, PROPERTIES TO THE WEST. AND WE FEEL THAT, UH, STAFF FEELS THAT IF THE RECOMMENDED BUFFERING IS ADHERED TO, THEN WE'VE KIND OF OVERCOME THAT FIRST ONE. UM, THE SECOND CRITERIA IS IT DOES NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT ADJACENT LAND USES THE PHYSICAL CHARACTER USES, UM, IN THE IMMEDIATE, IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY BECAUSE OF INADEQUATE BUFFERING SCREENING SETBACKS AND OTHER LAND USE CONSIDERATIONS. AGAIN, IF THEY'RE, UM, IF THEY USE THE RECOMMENDED LANDSCAPING THAT WAS OUTLINED BY STAFF, THEN THAT'LL MITIGATE ANY POTENTIAL ADVERSE EFFECTS TO THOSE LAND USES. UH, CRITERIA NUMBER THREE IS THIS NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT PROPERTY VALUES OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES IN ANY MATERIAL WAY. AGAIN, THIS IS ONE THAT'S REALLY TOUGH TO, UM, UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT JUMPS OUT AT YOU AS, HEY, WE'RE PUTTING A LANDFILL ACROSS THE STREET. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS ORDINARILY EASY TO MEASURE. SO, UM, WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE THAT THIS IS GONNA HAVE ANY ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE PROPERTY VALUES IN THE AREA. AGAIN, IF THEY USE THE RECOMMENDED, UH, OFFERING THE STAFF, UH, STAFF REPORT AND THAT IT'D BE GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE PURPOSES AND INTENT OF THE UNITED, THE UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH, UM, WE DO BELIEVE AS IT PROMOTES HEALTH SAFETY AND GENERAL WA WELFARE, UM, AND PROMOTING SAFE, ORDERLY, ECONOMICALLY SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT. THIS DOES FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY. UM, IT DOES ENSURE COMPATIBILITY SURROUNDING LAND USES AS LONG AS THEY'RE USING, UH, THE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. THAT SAID, UH, STAFF FEELS THAT THIS DOES MEET ALL FOUR OF THE CRITERIA, AND WE DO RECOMMEND THAT THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION BE GRANTED BY THIS BOARD WITH CONDITIONS. SO THOSE CONDITIONS WOULD BE VEGETATIVE BUFFERING AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND, UH, PRESENTATION, UH, SEVEN FOOT WOOD OR MASONRY FENCE ON THE WEST AND NORTH SIDES TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT EXTRA BARRIER BETWEEN THIS AND THE HOUSES. THE LOADING DOCK NEEDS TO BE AT GROUND LEVEL, SO IT'S NOT CREATING A, A SETBACK ISSUE. AND THEN THE SITE LIGHTING MUST ALSO, WE HAVE TO PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION THAT MAKES SURE THAT, THAT, THAT THERE'S NO SPILLOVER FROM THE LIGHT ON THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE ON THE NORTH AND THE EAST. WE DON'T SO MUCH CARE ABOUT CARE ABOUT THAT BECAUSE OF ALL THE TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON AROUND THERE. UM, WITH THAT, I THINK THAT IS, YEAH, THAT'S THE LAST ONE THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. YOU MIGHT. THE SETBACK STARTS AT THE SITE'S PROPERTY LINE. THAT'S CORRECT. SO IF THIS PROPERTY WERE LIKE MANY OTHERS, UH, GOING AND IT HAD A, A PROPERTY LINE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD SETBACK WOULD, APARTMENTS WOULD BE THE SAME, RIGHT? A HUNDRED FOOT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. IT IT, THE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK WOULD BE ALL THE WAY AROUND FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, YES. FROM INSIDE, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE, THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, THEIR PROPERTY WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S THE SAME. IT'S THE SAME. SO IN THIS CASE WE HAVE A CITY STREET BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. THAT'S CORRECT. SO WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING THAT, THAT CITY STREET AS PART OF THE, BECAUSE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? CORRECT. IT'S TECHNICALLY NOT PART OF THE SIDEWALK. I'M GOING AT THIS, IF WE GO DOWN GARTH ROAD NORTH BY 10 AND THERE'S RESIDENTIAL ON ONE SIDE OF A FENCE AND A FIVE STORY HOTEL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE, THE SETBACK IS FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, CORRECT? RIGHT. SO IN THIS CASE, THE PROPERTY LINE STARTS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD. THE RESIDENTIAL STARTS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD. SO IN MY VIEW, THERE'S AN ENTIRE CITY STREET THAT'S POTENTIALLY PART OF THAT SETBACK. OKAY. FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. I KNOW YOU CAN'T CLAIM IT, BUT IT'S PROBABLY, WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT RIGHT OF WAY IS? PROBABLY 50 FEET, 60 FEET, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 50 FEET. 50 FEET. SO I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. SO IN MY MIND, IF, IF THE PROPERTY LINE, LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE, A LOT OF PLACES GOES TO THE FENCE LINE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, THEY'D BE LOOKING AT 75 FOOT SETBACK. RIGHT? DOESN'T CHANGE THE COMPLEXITY OF ANYTHING BECAUSE HERE'S RESIDENTIAL, HERE'S THE SETBACK, WHETHER IT'S THE 50 FEET STREET OR PLUS THE 25. SO I, I THINK WHERE I THINK I GOT HUNG UP AT FIRST WAS, YOU KNOW, [00:20:01] WE'RE TALKING 25 OUT OF A HUNDRED, BUT WE'RE NOT INCL TO PROTECT THE, THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, BUT, BUT WE'RE NOT INCLUDING THE STREET THAT'S CORRECT. IN THIS SET CALCULATION. YEAH. AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF THE PROPERTY, BUT IN MY MIND IT WOULD BE 75 FEET FROM A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. SO YOUR POINT THERE IS FROM A PROTECTION STANDPOINT, STREET HELPS ADD TO, IS THAT YOUR POINT? THAT'S MY POINT. IT'S JUST CAN'T BE COUNTED. BUT IT IS, BUT IT'S REAL. A PHYSICAL 50 FOOT ADDITIONAL BUFFER. IT'S A 50 FOOT SETBACK THAT'S, THAT'S IN, YOU KNOW, IN BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND PROPERTY LINE OF RESIDENTIAL. I I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO IN ESSENCES LOGICALLY, SO IN ESSENCE, IF THEY WENT ANOTHER 25 FEET AND THE PROPERTY LINE WENT ALL THE WAY TO RESIDENTIAL, IT'D BE THE SAME DISTANCES THAT IT ANYWHERE ELSE AND THEY'D BE WITHIN THE CODE, RIGHT? IT'S 75 FEET FROM FROM HERE? YEAH, FROM THE, TO THE BUILDING AND ACTUALLY FROM THE, YEAH, FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY OF YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE EDGE OF THE STREET. RIGHT. SO IT'S PROBABLY SORT OF A BUILTIN, IT'S EVEN WITHIN THAT ANOTHER 10 15 FEET BUILT IN BUFFER BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. OKAY. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT, BUT LIKE YOU SAID, WE CAN USE THAT AS PART OF THE, THAT'S PART OF THE CATEGORY, BUT LOOKING AT PROTECTING RESIDENTIAL FROM THE RIGHT DEVELOPMENT, IT'S ANOTHER 50 FEET. RIGHT. UM, WHAT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO AT THIS POINT IS I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT AND LET THEM GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOU KIND OF THEIR, UM, WHAT THEY'VE GOT TO SHOW YOU. AND I THINK IT'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT BETTER PICTURE SURE. OF, OF WHAT WE, I THINK COULDN'T DO VERY WELL LAST TIME BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT. UM, BEFORE YOU GO THERE, BOB, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. OH, WAIT, NO, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION AND PERHAPS IT'LL BE ANSWERED BY THE APPLICANT. UM, THE FENCE, THE SEVEN FOOT HIGH FENCE, AT FIRST IT WAS, I THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD IT WAS GONNA BE MASONRY, BUT, BUT, AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, MASON MASONRY WE'RE DOING MASONRY. SO I DIDN'T CHANGE THE RECOMMENDATION FROM LAST TIME. AND AGAIN, WE DIDN'T HAVE THESE IMAGES. AND IN THE IMAGES THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS GIVEN TO STAFF, IT IS, IT IS SHOWN AS MASONRY, BUT WE'RE WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING FROM STAFF'S VIEW, IT COULD BE WOOD OR MASONRY. EITHER ONE, THEY'VE CHOSEN TO GO TO MASONRY, AT LEAST AT THIS TIME. ANYBODY WANT TO BOOK ANYTHING OR YOU JUST WANNA GO OFF THE SCREEN? OKAY. UM, THAT'S JUST A PDF, SO I WOULD JUST USE THE, OKAY. THAT SHOULD GO SCREEN, SCREEN PRESS. LISTEN TO WHAT Y'ALL HAD TO SAY LAST TIME. LISTEN TO WHAT EVERYBODY, AND I THINK WE'VE PRETTY MUCH ADDRESSED EVERYTHING THAT Y'ALL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR. UM, SOME OF THE STUFF THAT Y'ALL HAD QUESTIONS FOR LAST TIME, Y'ALLS WORRIED ABOUT NOISE LIGHT, ET CETERA. I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THE, THE ENTIRE BUILDING'S ALSO GOT SIX INCH INSULATED PANELS AROUND THE ENTIRE FACILITY, WHICH IS ALSO GONNA HELP CO COVER SOME OF THE BUFFERING FOR YOU. UM, THIS IS PROPOSED WHAT WAS GONNA, WHAT WE'RE GONNA BUILD HERE, WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. THIS IS LOOKING FROM THE, UM, WORK MAIN HERALD INTERSECTION TOWARD THE PROPERTY, TOWARD THE RESIDENTIAL IN THE BACK SHOWS, WHAT THE ARCHITECT WHAT WHAT PANELS ARE THAT WE'RE BUILDING OUT OF THIS SHOWS THE BACK RIGHT HERE. AND THE SIDE THAT YOU HAD QUESTIONS ON AS FAR AS THE FENCING GOES, SHOWS THE MASONRY FENCE. UM, EVEN THOUGH STAFF ONLY RECOMMENDED ONE, ONE ROLL OF FENCING ON HAROLD, I MEAN OF, OF TREES. WE ACTUALLY GOT DOUBLE ROLLS OF TREES ON BOTH HAROLD AND THE, UH, BACKSIDE ALONG WITH ALL THE VEGETATION AND THINGS ALONG WITH THE FENCING ON THE BACKSIDE. THIS FACING THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL, WE HAVE NO LIGHTS, SO THERE'LL BE NO LIGHT FLOODING, RESIDENTIAL AREA, . THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE RESIDENTIAL THAT YOU'LL SEE. NOW THAT ACTUALLY COVERS UP ALL THE OTHER STORAGE AND THE LOT ITSELF. THERE WAS ALSO A CONCERN AT THE LAST ABOUT HAVING ADDITIONAL VEGETATION PUT ON OUR EXISTING SITE. SO WE WENT AHEAD AND WE'RE GONNA ADD SOME ADDITIONAL SHRUBS AND ALL ON OUR CURRENT SITE AND KIND OF BEAUTIFY THAT AREA AS WELL. SO WE'RE GONNA GO, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THE SHRUBS ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE EXISTING STORAGE FACILITY. TAKE IT ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT, ALL THE WAY TO THE FREEWAY AT 1 46 THERE. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE DOWN HERE. NOW THIS IS WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE ONCE WE ADD THE NEW BUILDING. THIS IS WHAT'S THERE PRESENTLY. NOW WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. SO THIS IS THE VIEW YOU HAVE NOW OF BOTH THOSE, BOTH THE PROPERTY THAT'S THERE NOW [00:25:01] AND THAT'S THE VIEW THAT WE'LL HAVE MOVING FORWARD. AGAIN, THE ENTIRE BUILDING'S MADE OUT OF, UH, SIX INCH INSULATED PANELS FOR NOISE REDUCTION AS WELL AS THE LIGHTS AND THE FENCING AND ALL THE EXTRA VEGETATION THAT WAS PUT UP. HOPEFULLY WE WAS ABLE TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT ANYBODY HAD. UM, I DO THINK THAT THIS IS A VERY GOOD LOOKING BUILDING FOR THE AREA. WE TRIED TO TO GIVE AS MUCH. SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S JUST A, A METAL WAREHOUSE BUILDING. IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE IT FLOWS WITH WHAT GOES ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING? I'M SURE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT THIS IS TO ME AS OPPOSED TO TWO MONTHS AGO. THIS IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT TO GIVE US A VISUAL. YES SIR. 'CAUSE WE WERE JUST IMAGINING IT BEFORE AND THIS IS WHAT WE APPROVED. THIS IS WHAT WE, THAT'S THE COLORS, THE SCHEME, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS OF IT. THERE WERE SOME OTHER THINGS WE ADDED TO THE BUILDING. WE TALKING WITH MARTIN IN THEY THOUGHT WOULD BEST THAT WE TOOK IT OFF. SO WE TOOK IT OFF AND THIS IS WHAT WE CAME UP WITH AS FAR AS THE MINIMUM BASICS WITHOUT OVER DOING ANYTHING. AND THE LOADING DOCK IS ON THE, ON THE, IS LOCATED BETWEEN US, THE ROAD BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUR FACILITY. AND IT IS GROUND LEVEL, SO YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE IT FROM THE STREET. IT'LL BE ON THE WEST SIDE OR THE, IT'LL BE ON THIS SIDE RIGHT OVER HERE BETWEEN THE FACILITY IN THE STORAGE FACILITY ITSELF IN THIS AREA. RIGHT. GOING, TRYING TO SEE IF I CAN GET A BETTER VIEW, WHICH BETTER SHOW IT. BEHIND TREE. BEHIND TREE BEHIND BUILDINGS. BEHIND THE BUILDING. YES SIR. OKAY. THAT'S WHERE THE ACTIVITY WILL GO ON. CORRECT. AND LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, THERE WAS A RESIDENT THAT WAS CONCERNED ABOUT DELIVERY TIMES. THE, THERE, THERE'RE ONLY OPERATING NINE TO FOUR FOR DELIVERY 9:00 AM TO 4:00 PM SO IT WON'T, IT'LL BE DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY. SO CUSTOMERS LOAD THE, THESE U BOXES UP AND THEY SHIP 'EM FROM WHEREVER IN THE COUNTRY TO HERE TO BAYTOWN. AND THEY MOVE HERE AND THEN THEY'LL COME IN, UNLOAD 'EM ON SITE, ALTHOUGH BRING 'EM ON A TRAILER TO THEIR HOUSE AND UNLOAD THEM THERE. I DO HAVE, THERE'S A LOADING DOCK, SO IT'S LEVEL WITH THE GROUND AND THAT'S WHAT'S BETWEEN US PRESENTLY NOW AND ON THE BLIND SIDE OF THE BUILDING FROM THE RESIDENCE. I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE MORE COMMENTS THAT THE THING THAT MAY BE CONCERNING TO SOME OF US IS THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A HOW, HOW TALL IS THAT? 30 FEET. 40 FEET. 43. 40 FEET. IT'S 40 FEET WITH THE, THE FAKE FACADE ON THE SIDE OF THE WALLS. YES. OPPOSED TO AN EMPTY LOT. BASICALLY THIS IS THE CRAPPY BUILDING IN THE FRONT. . IT IS WHAT YOU GOT NOW. AND REMEMBER WHAT IS TO THE EAST OF THAT SITE AS WELL? YOU HAVE NORTH MAIN, WHICH HAS A PRETTY SERIOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC EVERY DAY ALONG. INDEED. ON THE NORTH SIDE IS THE COMMERCIAL, THE BAKERY, THE YOU. OVER HERE YOU HAVE THE BAKERY, THE LAW OFFICE, THE GAS STATIONS, INSURANCE AGENCY AGENCIES. CORRECT. I THINK'S A DANCE STUDIO OR A BANK STUDIO THERE VERY CORNERED DOWN THERE IS THE BEST, UH, PACOS IN TOWN. I THIS WOULD ALSO ALLOW US TO EMPLOY AT ABOUT A 12 TO 13 ADDITIONAL TEAM MEMBERS AT THIS, AT THIS SITE WITH WOULD BE AT FRONT AND BE ABLE TO HELP SERVE MOVING CUSTOMERS AT THE FRONT. WELL, SO I THINK ONE ADDITIONAL POSITIVE PIECE IS THE HEIGHT WITH A CONCERN. AND LOOKING AT IT IN THE PICTURES, NONE OF THE HOUSES FACE THE SAME STREET. SO THEY FACE THE STREETS GO DOWN, THEY RUN EAST TO WEST, SO IT'S THEIR FRONT DOOR, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT IT. RIGHT. THAT'S KIND OF KIND. THERE'S THAT WINDOW PERHAPS. BATHROOM, WINDOW, BEDROOM WINDOW, WHATEVER. PUT THE WALLS AND THE DOUBLE VEGETATION UP. ROLL THE TREES. WE'RE GONNA RUN THE DOUBLE VISITATION OF THIS, THIS SIDE AS WELL AS WELL. IT'S GONNA GO EVEN THOUGH THERE ONLY, THE STAFF ONLY REQUIRE US TO PUT IT BACK HERE. WE'RE GONNA RUN THE EDUCATION ALL THE WAY AROUND ENTIRE. WE'RE PROBABLY TALKING TWO ROWS OF HOUSES. THAT WAS JUST ONE THING. THAT ONES ALONG, ONE THAT I RE-LOOKED AT. NOBODY ONE'S ON STATE STREET. I MEAN, I TRIED TO ADDRESS ALL Y'ALL'S CONCERNS AND OR WHATEVER. I HELPS Y'ALL , IT'S WORTH POINTING OUT THAT THE EVERGREEN TREES ARE LIKELY TO GROW MUCH TALLER THAN WHAT THEY'RE SHOWN. OH YEAH. [00:30:02] THAT'S A, THAT'S AT A YEAR MAYBE, BUT AFTER FIVE YEARS THEY'RE GONNA BE A LITTLE COVER. THEY'LL ALMOST BE AS HIGH AS SMALL AS THE BUILDING. SO YES MA'AM. QUESTION. UM, THEY'RE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS IMAGE. IS THE SITE PLAN ESSENTIALLY STILL THE SAME AS FAR AS LAYOUT? THAT'S A, THAT'S A DRIVE FROM YOUR, FROM THE U-HAUL PROPERTY. THAT'S OUR DRIVE OVER ONTO STATE STREET. SO IT'S A, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A PULL THROUGH, UM, PROPERTY, CORRECT. FROM NORTH MAIN MM-HMM . TO STATE STREET. YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK SINCE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING? MOMMY, CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND THAT'S, THAT'S OUR YES MA'AM. JUST DO YOU GUYS, OKAY. YOU SIGN UP. I WANT TAKE THESE HOME . ALL RIGHT. THERE BE NO OTHER QUESTIONS AND NOBODY ELSE, UH, TO SPEAK. UM, HAVE A HEARING. LET'S NOW, UH, WITHIN THE SAME, UH, THREE A, UM, CONSIDER THE REQUEST. I THINK THE RIGHT WAY TO PROCEED WOULD BE TO ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE. THEN WE'LL HAVE, IF WE HAVE A SECOND, THEN WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSION. ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR THE, WE'LL ACCEPT A MOTION TO APPROVE I SECOND. SECOND. UM, HAVE MORE DISCUSSION OR MORE QUESTIONS. GOT 'EM ALL ANSWERED. IS THE MOTION, DOES IT INCLUDE THE COMMISSIONS WITH, WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS? SORRY. YES. I MAKE THE MOTION WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS. MY THOUGHTS AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND SHOOT MY THOUGHTS OUT. UH, AND THEN GIVEN WE ALL REMEMBER WE HAVE TO, IN ORDER TO APPROVE REQUEST, AGREE WITH STAFF THAT ALL FOUR OF THE CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN MET. UM, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, UM, IS THAT I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF THAT ALL FOUR CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN MET. IN ADDITION TO THAT , MY THOUGHTS IS, UH, ALBEIT THERE WILL BE NOW A 40 FOOT HIGH BUILDING WHERE THERE WASN'T ONE BEFORE TO LOOK AT, IT'S A HELL OF A GOOD LOOKING BUILDING AND IT'LL REALLY IMPROVE THAT CORNER FROM AN AESTHETIC STANDPOINT. SO HAVING SAID THAT, I THINK ALL FOUR HAVE BEEN MET. AND I'D LIKE TO, BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE, HEAR FROM Y'ALL AND I DIDN'T DO THIS LAST TIME. UM, MY SHAME, MY BAD. DO WE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OF ANY OF THE FOUR CONDITIONS THAT ARE NOT I BELIEVE THEY'RE MET. I, MY RESERVATION IS WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS THE 40 FOOT TALL BUILDING. YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT THAT, I, I DRIVE THAT CORRIDOR A LOT. UM, THE POSSIBLE LIKE A CONTAMINATION FROM AN OLD CLEANERS AND WHAT WAS IN THAT TANK AND YADA YADA, YADA. I MEAN ENVIRONMENTALLY, I THINK IT CERTAINLY IS AN IMPROVEMENT FOR, FOR BOTH PIECES. I THINK IT'S A GOOD LOOKING BUILDING. CERTAINLY IMPROVES THE, A STATICNESS OF THAT PART. THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, AND ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, THEN YOU GUYS TOO THAT WE'RE ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT IS PROPERTY VALUES. AND INDEED ONE OF THE THOUGHTS THAT I, AND I THINK OTHERS OF YOU HAVE HAD IS THE PROPERTY VALUES WERE GONNA BE, UH, AFFECTED NEGATIVELY. THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN AFFECTED NEGATIVELY BY WHAT'S ON THE SIDE AND IN FRONT HAS BEEN THERE FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME AS OPPOSED TO THIS BUILDING NEGATIVE EFFECT, THE PROPERTY VALUES. AND I'VE GOT A PERSONAL INTENT OR A FEELING THERE TOO. 'CAUSE I HAVE A REALLY GOOD FRIEND THAT LIVES TWO HOUSES OFF OF STATE ON PAMELA. UM, AND [00:35:01] IF INDEED I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA HURT HIS PROPERTY VALUE, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE NO APPRAISAL EXPERIENCE, I WOULD'VE MORE CONCERN. BUT I, ANY IMPROVEMENT, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK IT'S GONNA HELP PROPERTY VALUES, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'LL HURT. WELL, UH, THANK YOU. THIS PRESENTATION WAS REALLY HELPFUL. JUST GIVE SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PLAN, ABOUT YOUR, YOUR PLAN. UM, AND IT IS A NICE LOOKING BUILDING. I'LL GIVE YOU THAT. HOWEVER I DISAGREE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, ASSERTION THAT IT, IT DOESN'T, THAT THE PRO THE REQUESTED CHANGE DOESN'T, WOULDN'T ADVERSELY AFFECT EVAS LAND USE. I'M OLD SCHOOL ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT A WAREHOUSE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ABSOLUTELY WILL NEGATIVELY AFFECT LAND USE. AND THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION PREVIOUSLY AND TODAY AS WELL ABOUT THE OTHER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THE LITTLE BUILDINGS, THE BAKERY, THE CONVENIENCE STORE, ALL OF THOSE WERE DEVELOPED, WERE BUILT. ALL OF THOSE PROPERTIES WERE BUILT EITHER PRIOR TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE OR, UH, IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE. THERE AREN'T ANY, THERE WEREN'T ANY SPECIAL RECOMMEND OR SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS GRANTED TO THOSE OTHER BUILDINGS AS FAR AS I RECALL. THEY ALL COMPLIED WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE. SO THIS IS, THAT'S, THAT'S APPLES AND ORANGES TO SAY, WELL, THERE'S ALREADY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA. UM, UH, SO AFFECTING, UH, THE, AND THE, THE POSITION THAT WE CAN'T ADEQUATELY ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF, OF WHETHER THIS CONSTRUCTION WOULD NEGATIVELY, UM, AFFECT ADJACENT LAND USE BECAUSE IT WOULD JUST GET INTO A DISCUSSION OR, OR A, A DEBATE BETWEEN REAL ESTATE APPRAISERS, UM, PERHAPS CAN'T IGNORE THAT REQUIREMENT FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION JUST BECAUSE IT MIGHT EVOLVE INTO A DEBATE BETWEEN OPPOSING REAL ESTATE APPRAISERS. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WAS INTENDED WHEN THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE FROM THE BEGINNING. I BELIEVE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE CITIZENS WHO PASSED IT EXPECTED THIS EXACT LEVEL OF THE ZONING PROCESS TO ADDRESS THIS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR IS TO, IS TO, UM, TO INSERT A VOICE, THE VOICE OF COMMON SENSE. UM, AND I, I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. I I, I DON'T THINK THAT PUTTING A 43 FOOT TALL WAREHOUSE ADJACENT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IS COMPATIBLE. EVEN IF THE LOT WERE BIGGER, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE MOST COMPATIBLE USE, BUT, BUT THE ZONING ORDINANCE IN IT'S WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN, IT SAYS, OKAY, WELL SOMETIMES WE'RE GONNA HAVE UNCOMPATIBLE NEIGHBORING LAND USES. SOMETIMES THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. SO WHEN THAT DOES HAPPEN, HERE ARE SOME VERY CLEAR OBJECTIVE GUIDELINES AND CRITERIA FOR THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT, THAT TELLS ME THAT THIS IS THE TIME TO STRAY OR TO VARY FROM THE ZONING ORDINANCE. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THAT, IT'S A FINE LOOKING BUILDING. IT'S, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PRESENTATION AND IT'S A FINE LOOKING BUILDING, BUT IT'S STILL A 43 FOOT TALL WAREHOUSE, 43 FEET. IT IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THREE AND FOUR STORIES AND A SEVEN FOOT, THE SEVEN FOOT MASONRY FENCE THAT, THAT'S A NICE TOUCH. BUT THREE AND FOUR STORE, LET'S JUST SAY THREE STORIES. REMEMBER THAT THE HEIGHT OF THAT LOT, THE GRADE, THE LEVEL OF THAT LOT IS HIGHER THAN THE SURROUNDING AREA ANYWAY. AND SO IF YOU TAKE WHAT WAS A THREE FOOT TALL WAREHOUSE AND YOU PUT IT ON THAT PARTICULAR LOT, IT WILL HAVE THE EFFECT OF BEING AT LEAST FOUR FOOT, FOUR, FOUR STORIES TALL. THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS RE A REQUEST FOR VARIANCE THAT TELLS ME THAT THERE'S A REASON [00:40:01] TO GRANT IT. AND SO, UM, I'LL BE VOTING TO OPPOSE IT. ANY OTHER INPUT QUESTIONS I'LL JUST BRIEFLY SAY I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH, WITH BARB, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT, UH, WE SHOULD HAVE CONSIDERATION FOR THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. NOT, IT'S NOT MADE JUST TO PROTECT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS. IT'S ALSO TO HELP COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND WE'RE TALKING WITH AN OLDER PART OF TOWN. THIS IS A MAJOR STATE HIGHWAY, MAJOR ARTERIAL INTERSECTION, PRETTY MUCH HARD CORNER. AND IT IS WHAT IT IS. AND, AND SO FOR ME IT'S A BALANCE OF PROTECTING RESIDENTIAL, BUT ALLOWING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. UM, YOU KNOW, IF THIS WAS GONNA BE A DAY AND NIGHT OPERATION OF A TRADITIONAL WAREHOUSE, I, I'D PROBABLY HAVE A BIGGER ISSUE WITH IT. IF THEY WERE A HUNDRED FEET AWAY, 25 MORE FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OF RESIDENTIAL, IT WOULD STILL LOOK THE SAME. IT WOULD BE A 43 FOOT WAREHOUSE SITTING NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL AND BE WITHIN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. SO I DON'T THINK THAT 25 MORE FEET IS A BIG FACTOR FOR ME. SO THAT'S WHERE I SIT. ANYTHING ELSE? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. UM, I JUST REITERATE, UM, I THINK ALL FOUR HAVE PASSED. UM, SO I THINK, I THINK WE'RE AT THE POINT FOR A VOTE ON THE MOTION. AND I WOULD ASK THAT ALL THOSE THAT ARE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, WHICH IS TO APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH THE CONDITIONS AS STATED, YOU SAY AYE AYE. AYE. AYE. THOSE THAT ARE OPPOSED, YOU SAY NO, NO. THREE ONE. THE, THE REQUEST IS GRANTED. THANK YOU FOLKS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, [a. Conduct a public hearing and consider a request for a variance from the minimum street side setback (Unified Land Development Code, Article III, Division 1, Table 3-1 "Property Development Standards") and a special exception to reduce the minimum front setback to attached garages (Unified Land Development Code Article III, Division 4, Sec. 3.11(c) "Site Design") for a property on 0.08 acres located at 2111 Ontario Avenue. ] LET'S MOVE ON TO SECOND PUBLIC HEARING, IS THAT WE MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING. YOU, I SECOND A PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IS, UH, REGARDING A VARIANCE FROM A MINIMUM STREET SIDE SETBACK FROM THE LDC UH, CODE. ARTICLE THREE, DIVISION 1 3 1 PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT STANDARD AND A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM FRONT SETBACK TO ATTACHED GARAGES UNIFIED LDC ARTICLE THREE, DIVISION FOUR, SECTION 3 1 1 FLIGHT DESIGN, FOUR ON 0.08 ACRES LOCATED AT 2111 ONTARIO AVENUE STAFF EVENING. YES, MA'AM. MY NAME IS LE LEONARD. TWO, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. UH, THE VARIANCE WE HAVE, UH, TODAY. AS FOR, UM, PROPERTY LOCATED AT UH, 2 1 11 AVENUE, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF ONTARIO AVENUE AND ROBERT SEA LINEAR DRIVE. IT HAS 24 FEET FRONTAGE ON ONTARIO AVENUE AND IT HAS A DEPTH OF 105. THE, UH, THE PROPERTY AT THE REAR ARE, UH, 42 FEET WHITE. AND THE, UM, THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY IS 3,475 SQUARE FEET. THE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE OLD CONCRETE PAD HERE, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY VACANT AND, UH, ORIGINALLY, UM, A STANDARD LOT IN THIS SUBDIVISION IS 6,300 SQUARE FEET, 60 BY 105. UM, HOWEVER, OUR SUBJECT PROPERTY IS 24 BY 105 DUE TO IMMINENT DOMAIN ON THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY TO EXPAND THE HIGHWAY. UM, SO THE SURROUNDING STRUCTURES ARE PREDOMINANT DOMINANTLY, UM, RESIDENTIAL WILLINGS IN RESIDENTIAL ZONES. HOWEVER, THE, UH, ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH IS, UM, ZONED GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND IT'S OCCUPIED BY, UM, COMMERCIAL BILLBOARD. AS YOU SEE IN THIS, UM, IN THIS THE, UM, THE EXISTING ZONING IS MIXED RESIDENTIAL AT LOW TO MEDIUM DENSITIES. AND IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THIS, UH, PROPERTY HAVE RECEIVED, HAS [00:45:01] RECEIVED A, UM, ZONING MAP AMENDMENT APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL LAST, UH, JUNE TO, UH, TO CHANGE THE ZONE ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO, UH, SF TWO. THIS IS A, UM, A WORK IN PROGRESS SITE PLAN. THE YELLOW AREA HERE IS, UM, IS THE BUILDABLE AREA WITH, WITH THE, UM, WITH THE REQUESTED VARIANCES. SO THE APPLICANT IS, UH, PROPOSING 10 FEET FROM PROPER SEAL, LINEAR DRIVE, AND 25 20 FEET TO THE ATTACHED GARAGE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. AND THERE CANNOT GO BEYOND THIS, UH, LOOK WITH THE, UH, BUILDING LINES, THE APPLICANT HAS MAINTAINED FIVE FEET, UH, SETBACK TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE EAST AND 10 FEET REAR, UH, YARD SETBACK TO ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH. THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. HOWEVER, THE, UM, THE, UM, THE GARAGE IS GOING TO, UM, BE AT THE FRONT AND THE LIEN ENTRANCE IS GOING TO BE AT THE BEHIND THE GARAGE AND STAGGERED, UH, STEPH, COULD YOU GO BACK ONE, ONE MORE? MM-HMM . SO THEN THIS LOT, THIS LOT GOT SCREWED UP BECAUSE IN THE DOMAIN FOR ROBERT DRIVE YES. TOOK LAND OFF OF THIS SIDE. YES. IT TOOK HALF THE, HALF THE WESTERN HALF OF THE PROPERTY. SO ORIGINALLY THIS PROPERTY WAS 60 BY 105. GOT IT. OKAY. SO NOW IT'S ONLY 24 ON ONTARIO AVENUE. GOT IT. THE APPLICANT IS LEFT WITH THIS AREA, UH, TO BUILD A HOUSE, UH, ONE STORY HOUSE WITH ONE PARTNER. UM, THE, FROM THE, UH, PLANNING STAFF PERSPECTIVE, UM, THIS IS A, UM, CONSIDERED A REASONABLE REQUEST FOR VARIANCE AND, UH, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO OVER THE VARIOUS CRITERIA? LET ME ASK THE BOARD, DOES SHE NEED TO GO THE 10 CRITERIA? I'VE READ IT. I READ, I DIDN'T FIND ANY FAMILIAR QUESTIONABLE ISSUES ON ANY OF THE CRITERIA FROM A TIME STANDPOINT. I'M JUST THINKING IF, IF WE ALL AGREE THAT ALL 10 ARE MET, I'LL HAVE TO CUT YOU SHORT, BUT YOU SHORT , WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS SOME UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS, RIGHT? THE PROPERTY OWNER DIDN'T CAUSE THE PROBLEM. ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE TYPICALLY DEAL WITH. YEAH, MR. LANIER CAUSED THE PROBLEM . SO IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST A, A MONEY THING EITHER. I MEAN, THEY'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE THIS PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, WITH A, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND INSTEAD OF HAVING A VACANT LOT WITH A CONCRETE SLAB ON IT. SO YOU KNOW ALL THOSE, ALTHOUGH WAY MORE CRITERIA THAN THE PREVIOUS ITEM, UM, THEY SEEM TO HAVE BEEN MEANT TO BE. DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY TO SPEAK? NO ONE HAS, I'M GLAD TO SPEAK HERE TO LOOK AT US. HOW NICE. I THINK THE APPLICANT'S HERE THOUGH. ONE OF YOU IS THE APPLICANT? YES, WE ARE. DID Y'ALL SIGN UP TO SPEAK? NO, SIR. SPEAK. SPEAK. YOU'RE GONNA JOIN THE SHOW COURSE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK. OKAY. THAT BEING THE CASE, UH, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING WITH NO ONE, NOBODY WANTING TO SPEAK WITH NO QUESTIONS OF STAFF FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, I'LL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND IS THIS TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST, THE MOTION TO APPROVE. SO MOVE A SECOND, I'LL SECOND. ANY, HAVE A DISCUSSION? ANY QUESTIONS? NOT ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NO, THE REQUEST IS GRANTED. ALRIGHT, I THINK WE'RE DOWN TO OUR ITEM NUMBER FIVE. [a. Receive a report from the Director of Planning and Development.] MARTIN? YES, SIR. UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR MAKING THE TIME IN YOUR SCHEDULE TODAY TO, UH, TO BE HERE, UH, AND FOR THIS, UH, EXTRA MEETING THAT WE HAVE, UM, THAT THAT'S, UH, WE HAD BOTH THIS AND, UH, A WE HAD A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, OR EXCUSE ME, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING LAST WEEK, UH, CANCELED BECAUSE WE COULDN'T GET A QUORUM FOR THAT. SO WE'LL HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING OF THE P AND Z NEXT WEDNESDAY, THE 30TH. I BELIEVE IT. 31ST. 31ST AT WHAT TIME IS THAT AT? FIVE O'CLOCK. FIVE O'CLOCK. UM, AND THAT WILL BE IN, THAT'LL BE IN THE BIG ROOM. YES, SIR. OKAY, [00:50:01] . SO IN CASE ANYBODY HEARD ABOUT THAT WAS WONDERING, UM, SINCE YOUR LAST MEETING, UH, WE HAVE HAD SOME ACTION BY CITY COUNCIL. SO THE FIRST ONE WAS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UM, FOR THE HOMELESS SHELTER DOWN ON WISCONSIN. UM, THEY'RE BASICALLY DOING A, I THINK THREE QUARTERS OF THEIR STRUCTURES THEY'RE REBUILDING OVER TIME. AND SO, UM, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS IN ORDER BECAUSE THEY'RE A NONCONFORMING USE. AND SO, UM, THEY WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GOING TO P AND Z AND ALSO CITY COUNCIL AND THEY GOT THAT APPROVED. SO THERE'LL BE, YOU'LL SEE SOME, SOME ACTION ON THAT, UH, ON THAT PROPERTY OVER THE COMING MONTHS, WHICH, WHICH MIGHT INCLUDE US, MIGHT OR MIGHT, MIGHT, OR MIGHT, MIGHT INCLUDE THIS BOARD. I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK WE WORKED THINGS OUT SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME AND ASK FOR ANY VARIANCES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO THEY, THEY'VE GOT A, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT INSTEAD OF A SPECIAL EXCEPTION. AGAIN, ONE GOES TO YOU GUYS, ONE DOES NOT. SO THEY GOT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT ALREADY. SO I BELIEVE THAT STAFF WAS ABLE TO HELP THEM GET TO A POINT WHERE THEY, THEY DO NOT NEED ANY VARIANCES. UM, AND THAT'S GONNA INCLUDE COMBINING THE PROPERTIES THAT THEY HAVE IN. THERE ARE THREE PROPERTIES NOW WITH AN ALLEY THAT RUNS IN BETWEEN. UM, AND THEY'VE SOMEHOW, THEY GOT THE ALLEY FENCED OFF IN YEARS PAST LIKE SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AGO. IT'S CALLED CONCRETE. IT'S AN ODD, IT'S AN ODD DEAL. WELL, NO, THERE ACTUALLY IS A, UM, THERE IS AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY THAT THEY COULD DO THAT, BUT IT STILL BELONGS TO THE CITY. SO IDEALLY WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IS THE THREE PROPERTIES PLUS THE ALLEYWAY ALL COMBINED INTO ONES THAT THEY COULD DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. AND THAT'LL REALLY HELP A LOT WITH THEIR INTERNAL SETBACKS AND THINGS. KEEP GOING. THE UH, WE HAD A REZONING ON, UH, ALAMO STREET FROM GC TO SF TWO THAT IS A SMALL AREA KIND OF BACK BEHIND KOHL'S AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THAT'S 13, 15 ACRES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, JUST TO BUILD THAT WAS ORIGINALLY SLATED FOR SOME RETAIL THAT JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN. SO THEY HAVE ASKED TO REZONE TO SINGLE FAMILY FOR ABOUT, SAY IT WAS ABOUT 40 OR 50 NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. ISN'T THERE A POCKET OF LITTLE HOUSES BACK THERE ALREADY? SINGLE STREET OR SOMETHING LIKE IN A LITTLE CURVE INDEPENDENT? YES. YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. SO THAT WAS ALSO APPROVED BY COUNSEL. COOL. UM, WE DID HAVE SOME TEXT, WE HAD A TEXT AMENDMENT TO OUR, UM, ULDC FOR THE MIXED USE DISTRICT. MIXED USE DISTRICT. DISTRICT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS, IT'S KIND OF A CATCHALL RIGHT NOW, BUT NOT REALLY MIXED USE. IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THE USES THAT WE WOULD IMAGINE TO BE IN A MIXED USE ZONE. SO WE KNOW THAT MOST OF THE MU ZONED AREAS IN THE CITY ARE VERY SMALL LOTS. AND SO WE WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE NECESSARILY, AND THEY'RE ALSO ALONG A LOT OF OUR COLLECTORS AND ARTERIALS. SO WE WOULD NOT WANNA SEE NECESSARILY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR BIG APARTMENT BUILDINGS, BUT WE THINK THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO ADD IN, UM, USES LIKE DUPLEXES, MAYBE TOWN HOMES, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE URBAN FEEL TO THEM WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. UM, AND THE SIZE OF THE LOTS ALSO MAKES THAT APPROPRIATE. AND THERE ARE SOME CONDITIONS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT THAT WAS APPROVED. UH, AND THEN THE, THE FINAL ONE ON THE LIST HERE IS, UH, THERE'S A REZONE DOWN ON BARLOW ROAD. THIS IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE SMALL AIRPORT THAT'S DOWN THERE FROM UH, OPEN SPACE RECREATION. 'CAUSE IT WAS ANNEXED A FEW YEARS BACK AND IT AUTOMATICALLY BECOMES OPEN SPACE RECREATION WHERE YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING. THERE'S ALREADY A HOUSE ON THAT LOT, SO THEY'RE ZONING TO SF ONE SO THEY CAN REPLACE THAT HOUSE. THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY SUBDIVISION OR DOING ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT. SO, UM, THE OTHER THING I GUESS IS NONE LIST I'D LIKE YOU GUYS TO KNOW ABOUT. WE ARE GETTING READY TO GET STARTED ON A MAJOR OVERHAUL TO THE ULDC. UM, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN PLANNING FOR PROBABLY A YEAR NOW, AND WE HAVE CHOSEN A CONSULTANTS. WE HAVE IT PARTIALLY FUNDED, UM, THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND, UH, THE CITY. AND WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE THE REST OF IT FUNDED THROUGH THIS COMING YEAR'S BUDGET, WHICH IS UP RIGHT NOW IN FRONT OF COUNCIL. AND, UM, SO AGAIN, THAT'LL BE A MAJOR OVERHAUL. THERE ARE A LOT OF INCONSISTENCIES, THERE ARE A LOT OF CONFLICTS. I SAY A LOT, BUT THERE ARE CONFLICTS IN THE CODE NOW AS IT STANDS. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED AS A MATTER OF COURSE IS HOW THE ZONING CODE CAME ABOUT. AND, UH, OVER TIME THAT HAS CREATED ISSUES FOR, UM, FOR ANYBODY WHO'S DEVELOPING OR MAYBE FOR OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND ALL DEFINITELY FOR STAFF. AND SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A PROCESS TO CONSOLIDATE ALL THE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT CODES INTO THE ULDC, WHERE THEY BELONG. AND UM, THAT'LL MAKE IT EASIER FOR, FOR OUR, ANYBODY COMING IN DOING BUSINESS OR, OR DOING DEVELOPMENT IN THE TOWN TO FIND THOSE, THOSE, UM, REGULATIONS. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS EASY TO FIND. UM, I'VE READ A LOT OF ZONING CODES AND WHEN I GOT HERE IT WAS A LOT OF STUFF I COULDN'T FIND AND I [00:55:01] HAD TO HAVE THESE GUYS SHOW ME WHERE EVERYTHING WAS. SO WE'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT EASIER. AND AGAIN, THE NEW CODE I THINK WILL GET RID OF A LOT OF THE CONFLICTS AND JUST KIND OF COME UP TO BEST PRACTICES. SOME THINGS THAT IT'S, IT'S SOME THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY OUTDATED EVEN THOUGH IT'S ONLY EIGHT YEARS OLD. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT OVER THE COMING MONTHS. UM, WE ALL, WE WILL BE USING A, AGAIN, WE'LL BE USING THE CONSULTANT THAT DID OUR, UM, COMP PLAN AND UM, WE'RE EXCITED TO GET STARTED ON THAT. WE'RE EXPECTING THAT CONTRACT TO GO TO COUNCIL NEXT WEEK AND START THE PROCESS. UH, THE FOLLOWING. SO WE'RE, WE'RE READY TO GO. OUR FIFTH MEMBER CAN'T FIND, UH, WILL ANGELA BE ANY ACTION ON THAT. WHEN THE LAST MEETING HAPPENED TWO WEEKS AGO AND WE COULDN'T FIND HIM, WE IMMEDIATELY TOLD THE CITY CLERK, WE'VE GOT TO SEE ABOUT GETTING THIS PERSON REPLACED. 'CAUSE THEY'VE NEVER BEEN TO A MEETING. SO, UM, I THINK HE WAS ON A ZOOM MEETING. HE WAS AN ALTERNATE. YEAH. AND HE SHOWED UP TO SEVERAL THINGS WHEN HE WAS AN ALTERNATE, BUT SINCE HE'S BEEN A PERMANENT MEMBER AND ALL I HAVE IS A WORK NUMBER, I MEAN ON, I WOULD JUST, I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO ELEVATE THAT UP PRIORITY WISE. UH, 'CAUSE THERE'LL BE TIMES WHEN YEAH, I'VE MENTIONED IT WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE IT. AND I HATE IT WHEN WE HAVE MEETINGS THAT GET CANCELED BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM THAT JUST, THAT SHOWS, SHOWS BAD FAITH TO OUR CITIZENS. GONE THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND ALL THAT AND THEN TIME IS MONEY. YES. SO U-HAUL GUYS THEN THEY WEREN'T SUBJECT TO THAT. WELL, THEY WERE BY TWO WEEKS, UH, TWO WEEKS COST THEM MONEY. SO, UM, AND WE HAD PEOPLE LIKE FOR P AND Z WE HAD PEOPLE COME IN FROM OUT OF TOWN YES. COUNTRY. AND THEY GOTTA DO IT AGAIN NOW TWO WEEKS. SO YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, UM, WE WOULD, WE WOULD AS STAFF BE MUCH LESS FRUSTRATED IF WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT. SO YEAH, FOR SURE. WE'RE EXCITED IF WE CAN GET THAT FIFTH PERSON TIED DOWN. ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE ON TOP OF IT. ANYTHING ELSE? UH, SEEK A MOTION TO ADJOURN. ADJOURN SECOND. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.