* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:19] YEAH, WE PUT MOST OF THE BUILD UP THREE OF THOSE POLY DRUM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE ON. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL CALL THIS MEETING TO, OR UM, YEAH, HAS TO STAY OPEN. THEY PREFER TO LEAVE IT OPEN. OH, OKAY. BECAUSE IT IS AN OPEN MEETING AND THEY'RE WORRIED THAT PEOPLE MAY ASSUME THEY CAN'T COME IN. YEAH. UM, OKAY. WE WILL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER FOR A COLLECTIVE BARGAINING SESSION BETWEEN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN AND THE BAYTOWN PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS ASSOCIATION. IT IS FRIDAY, APRIL THE 22ND AT EIGHT 30 ROUGHLY. UM, AND THE FIRST ITEM [a. Consider confirming ground rules for the collective bargaining sessions beginning on April 22, 2022, between the City of Baytown and the International Association of Firefighters Local 1173.] ON OUR BUSINESS ONE A IS TO CONSIDER CONFIRMING THE GROUND RULES FOR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING SESSIONS BEGINNING ON APRIL THE 22ND. SO, WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD. YEAH, WE HAVE A COUPLE COPIES. UM, MINE, IT'S THREE PAGES. KEEP ALL THREE OF THEM . SO THESE ARE THE GROUND RULES THAT WERE SIGNED LAST TIME. THE ONLY CHAIN MADE WAS THE DATE. TREVOR'S NAME. I THINK WE DID, WE HAVE TO CHANGE HOW MANY MEMBERS? I LISTENED TO THAT JUST A WHILE AGO. I KIND OF SKIPPED THROUGH JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD GROUND RULES. UM, AND WE CAN, WE CAN MARK THROUGH. YEAH, WE HAVE FIVE ON OUR TEAM. OKAY. WE WERE MISSING ONE TODAY 'CAUSE HE'S ON DEPLOYMENT IN SOUTH TEXAS. SO ONE IN THAT. YEAH. MORE THAN, WELL IT, THERE'S THREE MEMBERS AND THEN FOUR ARE SEATED AT THE TWO. FOUR OTHERS. YEAH. SEATED AT THE TABLE. OKAY, I GOT IT. I GOT YOU THERE. CHIEF NEGOTIATOR. THAT'S WEIRD. CONSISTENT. NO MORE THAN THREE MEMBERS CONSISTING OF CHIEF NEGOTIATOR. NO MORE THAN ONE . WE'LL JUST CHANGE THE THREE TO FIVE. AND I THINK IT MAKES SENSE. YEAH, I THINK IT DOES. YEAH. OBVIOUSLY AS IT GOES AS, AS I THINK IT'S STATED, WE CONSTANTLY TALK TO PEOPLE. THE MAYOR'S OUT IN THE VAN. I'M GONNA TALK TO 'EM, BUT I'M NOT GONNA DISCUSS CONTRACT ISSUES. IT'S JUST A GIVEN. JUST MAKE SURE THE PEOPLE LISTENING HEAR THAT. I CAN SAY, WHILE [00:05:01] YOU ARE LOOKING THAT OVER THAT WE DO WANT TO DO A THREE YEAR AGREEMENT. WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE WHILE PRESENT YOURSELF TO US. ANYTHING THAT YOU, WE CAN TA THAT WE'RE NOT OTHERWISE CHANGING EXCEPT FOR MAYBE DATES, UM, WE COULD GO AHEAD AND DO THAT STATE. OKAY. LOOKS GOOD TO ME. COPY. NOW I DID A NUMBER INSTEAD OF WRITING IT OUT. ONE MORE HERE. AND WHAT TIME DOES THAT MEETING GET THE FIRE FIELD? THE, THE ACCREDITATION MEETING? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? PUT KENNY ON THERE. THERE. YEAH, BUT YOU COULD PUT KENNY, YOU PUT KRISTEN AND PUT OH. OH, OKAY. I'M, YEAH. ACROSS THE BOTTOM. MY NAME PAGE TWO HAVE TO PUT BEHIND PAGE TWO. THIS ONE. COPY. GET A COPY. GET A COPY. IT'LL MATTER EITHER WAY. THAT ONE WANT ME TO JUST MAKE A COPY OF IT? SIGNATURE. I'LL GIVE THAT ONE SIDE AND THEN COPIES THE SAME THING OVER. IF YOU COULD INITIAL BY THE FLAT RIGHT THERE. [00:10:06] HOW MANY COPIES DO WE NEED OF THIS? UH, FATHER PLEASE. JUST WITH, OKAY, I'LL MOVE ON. ALL RIGHT. ITEM [b. Consider the Baytown Professional Firefighters' Association's collective bargaining proposals.] ONE B IS TO CONSIDER THE BAYTOWN PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS ASSOCIATION. ALRIGHT, SO OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T NEED TO GO PAGE BY PAGE. IT'S A LITTLE RIDICULOUS. UM, START A COUPLE HOUSE CLEAN THINGS. UH, I'M GONNA GIVE A COPY OF THIS TO EVERYBODY. THIS WAS A, UH, UNFORTUNATELY THE LAST TIME WE DID THE NEGOTIATION, WE AGREED UPON SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT THE INTENTION OF THE ARTICLE WHEN WE WROTE IT. THE INTENTION WAS TO GO BACK TO WHAT THE CIVIL SERVICE SAID IN THE ARTICLE. AND WE MUST MISTAKE MUST TOOK THAT NUMBER FOR A DIFFERENT NUMBER. SO THIS IS THE ACTUAL NUMBER THAT COMES OUT OF CIVIL SERVICES IS THE AGE LIMIT FOR NEW HIRES. UM, WHEN WE DID THE LAST ONE, WE WENT TO 36 AND 37, WHICH SHOULD BE THE AGE 35. NOT TO BE AGE 36, BUT DATE OF HIRE. UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE INTENTION OF THE LAST NEGOTIATION. WE TALKED ABOUT GOING TO CIVIL SERVICES FOR WHICH, JUST, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE CLARIFIED THAT. UNDERWRITING, THEY WEREN'T LICENSED. COULDN'T LICENSE ANYWAY. WHAT'S THAT? IF THEY WEREN'T ALREADY LICENSED, WE COULDN'T LICENSE THEM. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND WE HAD CHANGED IT TO 40 BEFORE THAT, TRYING TO GET A BIGGER POOL. WE OBVIOUSLY DID NOT GET THAT BIGGER POOL. SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE FOUND, UM, NOT NECESSARILY FOR EVERYBODY, BUT SOME WHEN WE TEND TO GET INTO A LITTLE BIT, UH, I DON'T KNOW, I SAID THIS NICELY OLDER OF FOLKS. WHEN YOU'RE HIRING INTO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, IT BECOMES KIND OF A, UM, A HEALTH ISSUE. UM, WE TEND TO BREAK PEOPLE'S BODIES THAT ARE 40 YEARS OLD AND OLDER. SO, UH, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET THAT CLARIFYING OF WHAT IT WAS LAST TIME AND WHAT SHOULD BE NOW. DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY, UH, ISSUES WITH THAT OR? UH, I DON'T THINK SO, BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AT THE, AT THE CAUCUS THING AND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TA THAT ONE. ALRIGHT. BIG ONE STARTING OFF BIG. UM, ARTICLE 19, AS IT'S WRITTEN INTO OUR CONTRACT RIGHT NOW, UM, BASICALLY ALLOWS THE CITY TO DICTATE, UM, WHO AND WHEN PEOPLE RECEIVE HEALTH INSURANCE, ESPECIALLY IN THE RETIREMENT. UM, THIS IS SOMETHING WE WOULD LOVE TO CHANGE. WE WOULD, WE WOULD LIKE THE CITY TO CONTINUE CARRYING EVERYBODY IN THE CITY. NOT ONLY, BUT ESPECIALLY FIREFIGHTERS AND, UH, ANYBODY CIVIL SERVICE INTO RETIREMENT, HEALTH INSURANCE AS WE DID BEFORE. I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A TIME IN 2000, NO, 97. 97 THROUGH 2000 I THINK IS WHAT IT WAS. IT WOULD BE LATER THAN THAT. OKAY. BESIDES THE POINT, THERE WAS A A TIME WHERE THE CITY TOOK AWAY HEALTH INSURANCE FOR RETIREES AND THEN GRANTED IT BACK. AND WE WERE ASKING IF THAT MAYBE HAPPEN AGAIN. I DON'T TAKE SOME FIGURING OUT FROM YOU. ALSO TAKE, TAKE IT BACK. JUST LOOK AT IT. HALF, HALF OUR POOL OF EMPLOYEES DON'T RECEIVE RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE. HALF OF US DO. SO WE WOULD JUST LIKE EVERYBODY TO GET RETIREE HEALTH IS WHAT WE'RE AT. HAVE Y'ALL TALKED TO SOME CITIES THAT DO THIS? UM, WE HAVE, I MEAN THERE'S STILL SOME CITIES THAT DO IT. THERE'S SOME CITY CITIES HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH AS WE DID BACK IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS OR WHATEVER IT WAS. UM, JUST TO, TO CLARIFY, SO UP TO A POINT, EVERYBODY WHO HIRED ON WITH THE CITY WAS ELIGIBLE FOR RETIREE INSURANCE. AND THEN WE MOVED, UM, TO KIND OF A TIERED PLAN SO THAT EMPLOYEES WHO HIRED ON WITH THE CITY WERE STILL ELIGIBLE, BUT THEY HAD TO MEET A SERVICE REQUIREMENT TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR RETIREE INSURANCE. AND THEN WE WENT TO NEW EMPLOYEES, DID NOT HAVE [00:15:01] RETIREE INSURANCE, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. SO WE HAVEN'T EVER TAKEN IT AWAY FROM WHAT WOULD BE FUTURE RETIREES AND, AND THEN RE-IMPLEMENTED SO THAT NOW, OR AT SOME OTHER POINT, FUTURE RETIREES WE'RE GONNA GET IT OR WE HAVEN'T BOUNCED BACK AND FORTH. WE KIND OF MOVED FROM RETIREES WERE GOING TO BE ELIGIBLE THEN THERE WAS A TIERED SYSTEM AND THEN NOT. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL YES. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH, I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO HEAR DISCUSSION. IF, IF THE WHOLE GOAL IS IF, UM, IF WE CAN GET PEOPLE AFTER THAT 2010 MARK RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE, WHETHER IT BE A TIERED SYSTEM AS IT WAS FOR LIKE MYSELF, I'M IN TIERED SYSTEM, UM, IF IT WAS A TIERED SYSTEM OR WHATNOT, BUT JUST SOMETHING WE HELP 'EM OUT, AS WE KNOW, COSTS A RISING ACROSS THE BOARD EVERYWHERE. UM, THIS IS THE MOST HORRIBLE YEAR SINCE WHAT, 1985 FOR INFLATION AND 81. 81. SO IT'S, IT'S PRETTY CRAZY WHAT THINGS GOING. SO JUST THE ANTICIPATION. BUT, UM, WE KNOW THIS IS A, A BIG ARTICLE FOR Y'ALL TO LOOK AT. OKAY. SO WE HAVE, THIS IS ARTICLE 20 HOURS OF WORK. UM, WE HAD INITIALLY HAD A, AN AMENDMENT DONE TO SOME OF OUR CONTRACTUAL LANGUAGE, WHICH WILL GO IN OBVIOUSLY THIS YEAR IS THE AMENDMENT CONTRACT. UM, THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WANTING TO DO IS UNDER HOURS OF WORK, IT STATES 1 24 HOURS ON AND 48 HOURS OFF, OR 48 HOURS ON AND 6, 9, 6 HOURS OFF. BEEN ON THE SCHEDULE FOR MORE THAN A YEAR. EVERYBODY'S PRETTY HAPPY WITH IT FOR THE MOST PART. I MEAN, YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE PEOPLE THAT MIGHT NOT BE A LITTLE BIT, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO, TO REALLY WORRY ABOUT. BUT WE REALLY WANT TO GET THAT LANGUAGE OUT THERE FOR ONE, IF WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TO THE CITY TO HIRE ON BECAUSE THEY'RE FOR THAT 48 96 SCHEDULE AND IT REALLY KIND OF DETERS THEM SOMETIMES WHEN THEY THINK THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT, OH, IT'S A DROP OF A HAT, THEY COULD JUST TAKE IT AWAY FROM US. UM, SOME OF THE ARGUMENT HAD BEEN RAISED BACK IN THE, THE DAY OF, WELL DO WE, DO WE NEED TO DO THIS? DO WE NEED TO HAVE BOTH OF 'EM IN THERE? UM, AT THE TIME THIS, UH, ADMINISTRATION FELT THAT THEY NEEDED TO HAVE BOTH OF 'EM IN THERE. UH, I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE LAST TIME THIS CHANGED, IT WENT FROM EIGHT HOUR SCHEDULES THAT WE WERE WORKING TO 24 HOURS WITH THE NEW, WITH THE CONTRACT WHEN WE ORIGINALLY WENT TO 24 HOUR SHIFTS. SO IF THIS IS A SCHEDULE WE'RE GONNA WORK, WE'D JUST LIKE TO HAVE IT IN THERE AND THAT, THAT'D BE IT. ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE BIG DRIVING POINTS WITH THAT IS WE HAVE A GROWING NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE MAKING BIG LIFE DECISIONS MOVING FROM OUTTA STATE MOVING. AND WITH EVERY HIRING POOL, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE AN INCREASING NUMBER. YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY'S GONNA MAKE A DECISION TO MOVE DOWN HERE FROM IOWA OR KANSAS OR WASHINGTON OR WHEREVER IT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, THEY AND 48 IS ONE OF THE FACTORS THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM IN MAKING THAT DECISION. WE WANNA GIVE 'EM SOME STABILITY ON THAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ARTICLE 24 COMPENSATION. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME WE WERE IN HERE. UM, WE WANT TO TRY TO START INCREASING, UM, OUR CAN SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE STEPS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CERTIFICATION STUFF, EDUCATIONAL STUFF. UH, THIS IS UNDER THE EDUCATIONAL CLAUSE, WHICH, OR IN THE UNDER, SORRY. EDUCATIONAL SECTION. IT'S A CERTIFICATION PAY FOR INTERMEDIATE ADVANCED AND MASTER FIREFIGHTER. UM, THOSE NUMBERS ARE VERY AWKWARD RIGHT NOW. IT'S LIKE A 83, 33, A 97, 23 OR IT'S, IT'S JUST VERY AWKWARD. UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO CHANGE THOSE NUMBERS TO 101 52. SEE WHAT NUMBER NOW THIS IS JUST REQUESTING AN INCREASE IN WHAT EXISTS. YEAH, JUST, JUST TO CHANGE WHAT EXISTS CURRENTLY. THERE'S NO, IT'S NOT PUTTING IN EXTRA CERTIFICATION, IT'S JUST CHANGING THE NUMBER. IT'S GOING UP, BUT NOT DRASTICALLY. RIGHT. IT'S, IT'S NOT A HUGE NUMBER. UM, THE, THE GOAL IS TO START GETTING TO THE THINGS WHERE, LAST TIME WE WERE TALKING TO THE CHIEF ABOUT EDUCATIONAL STUFF, THIS IS STUFF THAT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO TAKE CLASSES TO GET TO A MASTER CERTIFICATION LEVEL. THEY HAVE TO DO THESE THINGS AND IF THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO DO THESE THINGS, MAYBE A FEW PENNIES HERE AND THERE AS, AS A DRIVER TO HELP THEM GET TO THOSE, THOSE THINGS. 'CAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE BEST FIREFIGHTERS THAT WE CAN AROUND, WHICH I THINK WE ACTUALLY HAVE A VERY GOOD POOL OF FIREFIGHTERS. I, UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE TO TRAVEL THE COUNTRY TALKING TO OTHER, UH, IFF LOCALS AND, [00:20:01] AND, UH, WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WE DO, THEY'RE, MOST OF 'EM ARE AMAZED. WE DO A LOT OF STUFF HERE. WE'RE VERY BROAD FIRE DEPARTMENT. ALRIGHT, I'LL LEAVE THAT ONE THERE. ALRIGHT, THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF COMPENSATION. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'D REALLY LIKE TO DO, WE TALKED ABOUT, ORIGINALLY WHEN I HIRED ON, WE HAD A, UM, A LARGER TIERED SYSTEM. THERE WAS, I THINK 13 STEPS TO BECOME, OR 12 OR 13 AS A FIREFIGHTER. UM, THERE WAS 2, 2, 2. AND THEN, UH, WE'VE GOTTEN DOWN TO WHERE IT WAS NINE AND THEN SEVEN. AND TALKING TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE PAST, WHAT WE, OUR WHOLE GOAL INTENTION WAS TO GET DOWN TO FIVE TIERED STEPS FOR FIREFIGHTERS. THAT WAS OUR ORIGINAL INTENTION. UM, SO RIGHT HERE WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, IN THE FIRST COLUMN ON THE FAR LEFT, WE'VE COMPRESSED, UH, FIREFIGHTER TO FIVE TIERS. UM, THE EQUIPMENT OPERATOR, LIEUTENANT, BATTALION CHIEF AND ASSISTANT CHIEF, WE HAVE SOME FAIRLY ARBITRARY NUMBERS. ON A ZERO TO SIX MONTH DRIVER GETS THIS A ZERO TO ONE YEAR LIEUTENANT GETS THIS A ZERO TO ONE YEAR. BATTALION CHIEF GETS THIS. UM, TECHNICALLY THE WAY IT SHOULD STAND IS IF SOMEBODY IS ACTING IN MY POSITION AS A, AS A DRIVER, THEY SHOULD RECEIVE THE COMPENSATION THAT I RECEIVE, UM, TO DO MY, THEY'RE DOING MY JOB BASICALLY THAT DAY. SO WE'RE NOT SURE WHY THERE WAS, UH, OR WHY THE TIERED SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE THERE. WE'D LIKE TO GO AWAY WITH IT AND JUST HAVE A PAY FOR EQUIPMENT OPERATOR PAY FOR AND TO PAY FOR CHIEF AND TO PAY FOR ASSISTANT CHIEFS. UM, AND LIKE I SAID, COMPRESS THAT. UH, THE CURRENT FROM SEVEN TO FIVE. UH, WITH THIS ALSO, THE NUMBERS ARE PUT IN THERE. WE ARE ASKING FOR A, UH, DUE TO INFLATION, WE'RE ASKING FOR A FIVE, FIVE AND FIVE FOR COMPENSATION. UM, AS WE ALL KNOW, RIGHT NOW, INFLATION'S UP TO 8.5% RIGHT THIS MINUTE. UM, EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE RISING. S IT'S 5.9, PROJECTED TO BE 7.6 I BELIEVE NEXT YEAR UP. I USED TO SAY THINK THINGS WILL FOLLOW. THAT DIDN'T WORK. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ANYMORE. BUT WHEN YOU SAY FIVE, FIVE AND FIVE, YOU MEAN 5% EACH YEAR FOR THREE YEARS? YES SIR. SO WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING THOUGH, IS REALLY THIS SECOND CALL. SO I WANT, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU CURRENT NUMBER, CORRECT? YES. Y'ALL COLLAPSED FIRST AND THEN THIS, YEAH, IF YOU SEE, IF YOU'VE SEEN IN THE FIRST COLUMN, THERE'S YEAR ONE, WHICH WOULD BE THE 5% YEAR TWO, WHICH WOULD BE THE 5% AND YEAR THREE, WHICH WOULD BE THE 5%. THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS. AS, AS IS RIGHT NOW. WE JUST PUT IN THE, THE FIRST COLUMN WHAT THE FIVE TIERED SYSTEM WOULD BE AS IT IS RIGHT THIS MINUTE. CORRECT. UM, IF WE CHANGED IT RIGHT THIS MINUTE, BUT OCTOBER IT WOULD BE OCTOBER ONE FOR YEAR ONE. YES. SHOULD DO THIS OTHER, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS IN RULE OF ASSIGNMENT PAY START. NO, THAT'S THEIR BASE COMPENSATION. BASE COMPENSATION. THAT'S AN APPENDIX. THE ASSIGNMENT PAY OLD CONTRACT STRICTLY ON TOP OF IT. THE ASSIGNMENT PAY IS FOR OFFICE PERSONNEL FOR ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF. UM, BECAUSE THEY DON'T GET PAID OUT FOR HOLIDAY. THEY DON'T GET THE CHANCE TO WORK OVERTIME. THEY'LL GET ALL THESE THINGS BECAUSE THEY'RE ON A, UH, SALARIED WORK WEEK. BASICALLY THE THINGS THAT ARE LISTED THERE IN THE CONTRACT ARTICLES ARE ADDITIONAL PAYS. AND THEN THE APPENDIX IS THEIR BASE PAY. AND THIS IS WHETHER PROPOSAL FOR THE APPENDIX THAT WE SIGNED, WE JUST PROPOSED NOW BECAUSE IT'S PART OF COMPENSATION. BUT YEAH, THE APPENDIX IN THE BACK BEFORE. YEAH, THERE YOU GO. THAT'S ALRIGHT. ARTICLE 32. MR. SMITH. UM, IN TRYING TO STAY AHEAD OF HEALTH THINGS AND SOME OTHER HEALTH THINGS OR OTHER, UH, HEALTH ISSUES WE'VE HAD WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. UM, BLUE IS WHAT'S BEEN CHANGED. UM, IT'S JUST AN ADD. UM, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS FOR THE WELLNESS INITIATIVE FOR OUR W 5 15 82 PHYSICALS OR THE UH, OR THE NPA 1582 PHYSICALS, WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO [00:25:01] INCLUDE CURRENT AND RETIRED PERSONNEL. UM, AS MOST OF YOU MIGHT KNOW, WE JUST HAD A RETIRED PERSONNEL WHO EIGHT DAYS AFTER THEY RETIRED FOUND THAT THEY HAD BRAIN CANCER. UM, SO REALLY TRYING TO GET THIS IN. YOU KNOW, THIS FOR US WOULD HELP HOPEFULLY LOWER THE CITY'S COSTS FUTURE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE RETIREES THAT WE STILL PAY FOR. UM, IF THEY CAN GET THIS, UH, THE, THE PHYSICAL THAT WE GET THROUGH THIS IS FAR MORE STRINGENT THAN, OR UH, UM, WHAT'S THE WORD I'M TRYING TO THINK OF? COVERS FAR MORE THINGS THAN A BASIC PHYSICAL THAT YOU WOULD GET THROUGH. COMPREHENSIVE. THAT'S IT. , I'VE GOT A DIVERTICULOSIS ISSUE GOING ON. I'M IN EXTREME PAIN. I'M JUST TRYING TO DEAL WITH THE DAY. SO, UM, IF, UM, YOU KNOW, BY BEING MORE COMPREHENSIVE, HOPEFULLY WE'LL CATCH THINGS QUICKER. WE'LL BE ABLE TO, TO GET THESE PEOPLE IN AND GET 'EM, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR WHOLE GOAL IS TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE, UH, FOR THE LACK OF BETTER TERMINOLOGY, FIXED AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY LIVE A LONG, HEALTHY, HAPPY RETIREMENT. YOU KNOW, MY BIGGEST FEAR IN LIFE IS THAT I LEAVE HERE AND WITHIN THREE YEARS I'M DEAD. THAT IS MY BIGGEST FEAR. SO THESE ARE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT WHERE WE'D LIKE TO START MOVING THAT PROCESS ALONG WITH THOSE FOLKS. AND I'VE HEARD WITH, UH, WITH HOW MANY PEOPLE DON'T DO IT. I WAS GONNA SAY THERE SHOULD BE PLENTY OF FUNDING. IT SHOULD , I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LAST NUMBERS ARE, BUT PLENTY GOOD. HAS IT INCREASED AT ALL? I THINK WE'VE HAD SIX. YEAH. PLENTY OF MONEY THERE. . WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO TALK TO OUR FOLKS. CC THE WHOLE THING IS TO GET IT DONE. WE WANT PEOPLE TO GET IT DONE NOW. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITH THEM RIGHT NOW AND START GETTING THINGS FIXED BEFORE THEY HAVE TO START TAKING MEDICATIONS TO, YOU KNOW. ALRIGHT, THIS IS ARTICLE 33, WHICH IS THE TERMINAL LEAVE ACT . THAT SOUNDS KIND OF, I KNOW, I KNOW THAT KIND OF SOUNDED LIKE A HATCHET SOMETHING. YEAH. UM, TALKS ABOUT EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE DONE 30 YEARS OF SERVICE WHEN THEIR LEAD OUT LEAVE. THEY WERE ENTITLED TO BE PAID OUT 10 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR FOR ALL THEIR SICK TIME AVAILABLE. WE'D LIKE TO INCREASE THAT NUMBER OF 25 CENTS. UM, ONE TO HOPE THAT PEOPLE WOULD STICK AROUND A LITTLE BIT LONGER. AND WE'RE GETTING TO THIS TIME WHERE PEOPLE ARE LEAVING RIGHT AT 27, 28 YEARS. WE CAN GET 'EM TO STICK AROUND A LITTLE BIT LONGER. WE CAN UTILIZE THOSE SKILLS, MENTORSHIP, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT AND THEN ACTUALLY HAVE SOMEBODY USE THE PROGRAM. 'CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT WILLING TO USE THE PROGRAM AT, FOR INSTANCE, ON THE DOLLAR. WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS, CHIEF BEFORE WE SHARE OUR THOUGHTS? ALL? SO THIS IS A BRAND NEW ARTICLE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING. THIS CAN GO ON THE END WHEREVER WE'D LIKE TO PUT IT. UM, THE ARTICLE WE'RE PROPOSING, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO IDENTIFY IS THE AT 10 40 TIMEFRAME . UM, WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE IDENTIFIED IS THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT PEOPLE HAVE ON THE BOOKS FOR SICK TIME. UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF ACCRUED SICK TIME THROUGHOUT OUR DEPARTMENT. UM, THIS HOPEFULLY WOULD GIVE PEOPLE THE AVAILABILITY OF WANTING TO CHANGE THAT TO TRY TO STAY, NOT CALLING AS, AS SICK DURING THE YEAR, BUT BE ABLE TO TAKE SOME OF THAT TIME OFF THE BOOKS BY THE CITY. BUYING SOME OF THAT BACK AT THE END OF THE YEAR. UM, THE INTENTION IS TO, UH, ON SHIFT PERSONNEL WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 500 HOURS BANK TIME. UM, ADMINISTRATIVE PERSONNEL WOULD'VE 350. THAT IS ROUGHLY THE MATH ABOUT RIGHT? FOR HOW MANY HOURS THEY TAKE. UM, WITH THAT, SO EXAMPLE, IF SOMEBODY HAD 595 HOURS, UM, AT BY, BY OCTO, SORRY, AUGUST 1ST. AUGUST 1ST OF THE PREVIOUS YEAR. UH, LET'S SAY IF IT WAS THIS YEAR, AUGUST 1ST, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT TO YOU IN WRITING THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO TAKE UP TO 120 HOURS AT A TIME. BUT THEY CAN'T GO BELOW THEIR MINIMUM. SO IF THEY HAD A HUNDRED, 589 HOURS, THEY WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO TAKE 89 HOURS. UM, SOME OF THE REASON BEHIND THAT IS WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR PEOPLE BEING RESPONSIBLE, THAT THEY KEEP TIME ON THE BOOKS. THAT IF THEY WERE TO INJURE THEMSELVES OFF DUTY, BICYCLING, UH, ONE OF OUR GUYS THAT BICYCLES AND, AND HE KNOWS THAT E BICY AND SKATEBOARDS, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, PLAYING WITH THEIR KIDS. IT COULD BE SLIDE DOWN A SLIDE AND FALL OFF AND BREAK THEIR ARM, MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE TIME ON THE BOOKS TO WHERE THEY'RE NOT BEING IRRESPONSIBLE TO WHERE THEY COULD AT LEAST HAVE TWO MONTHS OFF TO RECOVER, GET TIME IN AND THEN GO BACK TO WORK. UM, BUT IF THEY DID IT BY OCTOBER, OR SORRY, I KEEP ON SAYING OCTOBER 1ST, UH, AUGUST 1ST, UH, HOPEFULLY [00:30:01] THAT WOULD LET YOU GUYS BE ABLE TO BUDGET THE CITY, BE ABLE TO BUDGET FOR THAT MONEY COMING OUT, UM, ON OCTOBER 1ST FOR THE FISCAL YEAR. SO IT BECOMES FROM AN UNFUNDED LIABILITY TO A FUND LIABILITY. 'CAUSE YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA TAKE, UM, PRIOR TO. SO, AND IT WOULD KIND OF, KIND OF KEEP DOWN ON TIME OFF THE PERSONNEL I DO THE MATH, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE 80 HOURS AND ON SHIFT PERSONNEL WOULD BE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ONE 20 AT THE MAXIMUM. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO EVERYBODY? DID I EXPLAIN THAT LITTLE RIGHT? YEAH, PLEASE. YEAH. WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, SOME OF THE WORDING IN THERE. UH, AND THE NUMBER, UH, NUMBER THREE OF ABOUT THE FOLLOWING YEAR. I THINK IT WAS NUMBER THREE ANYWAY WE'RE, WE WEREN'T SO DEAD SET ON, ON THE, THE DATES OR THE, OR OR THAT PORTION AS MUCH AS THE INTENT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE INTENT WAS TO GIVE YOU GUYS THE OPPORTUNITY TO REQUIRE THAT A RESPONSIBLE TIME INTERVAL FOR YOU GUYS TO HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO, TO BUDGET FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR AND THEN FOR US TO, TO RECEIVE THAT CHECK. UM, YOU KNOW, LATE IN THE YEAR, UM, IN THE FALL. ALRIGHT, THAT'S ALL I GOT FOR NOW. AND UH, , UM, THE OTHER ARTICLES THAT YOU HAVEN'T BROUGHT UP YET, UM, CAN CHANGE DATES AND PREPARE SOME TAS ON THOSE, BUT, UM, I WAS, YEAH, I THINK THERE MAY BE ONLY ONE OR TWO. I THINK MOST OF THEM ARE JUST CLERICAL ERRORS, ISSUES, POLICE USE. THEY USE THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS. YEAH, PLEASE. WE'LL GO THERE. Y'ALL LET KNOWS THESE WERE THOSE, UM, RECORD UHOH. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT, WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD. OKAY. UM, OF THE ONES THAT YOU PRESENTED TO US TODAY, THE ONLY ONE TA ON RIGHT NOW, 'CAUSE A LOT OF THE MONEY ONES ARE ALL GOT TOGETHER. SO, UM, HIS ARTICLE, SOME OTHER ONES, UH, THE EIGHTH SIGN AND THEN SINCE THE AGENDA ONLY HAS Y'ALL PRESENTING, SO WE WEREN'T GONNA PRESENT THE OTHER ARTICLES THAT WE DIDN'T MENTION FOR TAS. BUT, UH, I'LL GIVE YOU COPIES OF THOSE. THESE ARE THE FIRST SIX AND THE LAST THREE, JUST ONES THAT WE DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA WANT CHANGE MUCH, UM, WITH, WITH NEW DATES. SO AT THE NEXT MEETING, UH, WE CAN CAN GO BACK TO GET THESE OUTTA THE WAY. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE. WE'RE GOOD FOR NOW. ALRIGHT. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, THOSE ARE KIND OF THE, THE STANDARD ARTICLES. UM, SO WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE THOSE TO Y'ALL. ARE Y'ALL ANTICIPATING BRINGING FORWARD ANY MORE CHANGES TO CURRENT ARTICLES? SO THERE, THEY'RE UM, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO STEAL YOUR THUNDER, I JUST FOR PURPOSES OF TO BE PREPARED THE, THE NEXT TIME YEAH. FOR MORE TAS, UM, GOING BACK AND FORTH. I, I SOMETIMES I ACCIDENTALLY PUT STUFF WHEN I'M AT MY DESK AT WORK. I PUT STUFF ON MY CITY COMPUTER AND THEN I PUT STUFF ON MY, I THINK THERE'S ONE OR TWO THAT I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT I THINK ARE ON MY CITY COMPUTER, WHICH I HAVEN'T BEEN TO TODAY. OKAY. SO, UM, I'D BE READY TO PROBABLY PRESENT THOSE NEXT IF FOR SOME REASON WE'RE NOT, I MEAN IF WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, THAT'D BE GREAT AND IF WE DON'T THEN, THEN JUST GO AWAY FROM THAT. BUT THAT'S FINE. OKAY. UM, OKAY. AND THEN, UH, SO THAT CLOSES OUT ITEM 1D. ITEM ONE C IS [c. Consider setting the time and date for the next collective bargaining session.] TO CONSIDER SETTING A DATE AND TIME FOR THE NEXT COLLECTIVE BARGAINING SESSION. UM, AND I WOULD PROPOSE LOOKING AT PROBABLY THE SECOND WEEK OF MAY. SO THE SECOND WEEK OF MAY, I AM OUT OF TOWN FROM THE EIGHTH TILL THE 14TH COMPLETELY THAT ENTIRE WEEK. OKAY. UM, THANKS CHIEF. [00:35:01] THEN I , WHOOPS. HE ONLY GAVE IT TO ME 'CAUSE I HAD A KELLY DAY ONE OF THE DAYS, SO HE ONLY NEEDED TO GIMME ONE DAY OFF. BUT I'M AVAILABLE EITHER THE WEEK BEFORE OR THE WEEK AFTER. WHAT DO YOU GUYS LOOK LIKE ON THE WEEK BEFORE THE WEEKEND? FRIDAY THE 20TH. FRIDAY THE 20TH. YEAH. I'M, I'M, THAT'S EIGHT SHIFT. DAY SHIFT SHIFT. I'LL BE WORK. OKAY. SO, SO IF WE AT LEAST GET OUTTA SERVICE. SO I'M AT WORK TOO, BUT I THINK I'LL BE GONE THAT WEEK. OKAY. THAT DAY. 'CAUSE MY STEPSON'S GRADUATING THAT WEEKEND, SO I, SORRY, WE'RE TRYING TO KNOW SHIFT. UM, LEAD SHIFT JUST WORKS BETTER FOR OUR GROUP 'CAUSE I'M THE ONLY ONE. YEAH. SEE THE WEEKEND AFTER WILL BE THE 16TH, 17TH OR MONDAY THE 23RD. I, I'LL BE A NO GO FOR THE 23RD. I ME TOO. I I'M, I'M GOOD FOR THE FIRST. Y'ALL JUST SO BUSY. Y'ALL ARE TOO BUSY. YOU NEED CLEAR CALENDARS. , ANOTHER WEEK THAT I'M AT THE CONFERENCE, THE 23RD, 27TH, I'M, OH MY GOD. OKAY. UM, SHOULD WE MEET ON A SATURDAY? I, I KNOW I'M LIKE CALL. SURE. A LOT MORE THAN US. I KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. THESE ARE SHIFT GUYS. THEY KNOW. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO HIT THE WEEK OF THE 16TH. 17TH EARLIER. YEAH, THE 16TH OR 17TH. I'M GOOD. THOSE BOTH BE SHIFTS. I'LL BE THE ONLY ONE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE THOSE DAYS. ALSO 17TH, WE HAVE AN AGENDA MEETING ON THE 16TH. 17TH. 17TH. IS THAT 17TH? UM, JAMES, SHE'S Y'ALL'S ATTORNEY. I SAME TIME, SAME. I HAVE A DOCKET ALL DAY ON THE 17TH. OKAY. UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE EIGHT 30 IN THE MORNING. I DON'T, NO, THE OTHER THING IS I'LL HAVE TO CHECK. UM, RICK'S CALENDAR WILL BE THE, OKAY, SO CAN WE COME UP WITH A COUPLE OF ALTERNATIVES IN CASE? YEAH. DID Y'ALL SAY Y'ALL WERE GOOD? THE 16TH AS WELL? YES. OKAY. 16TH. GOOD FOR ME. 16TH. GOOD. OKAY. GOOD. 16TH. YAY. UM, OKAY. SO I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT BOTH OF THOSE AND I'LL JUST PUT BOTH OF MY CALENDAR THAT WAY. YEAH. I'LL SCHEDULE ANYTHING ELSE. LOCKED DOWN THIS ACTUAL TIME AND AFTER 11, AND YOU SAID THE 20, THE WEEK OF THE 23RD YOU'RE GONE. WHAT DATES OF LAST WEEK OF MAY? UH, MONDAY BEING MEMORIAL DAY. UM, IT'S THAT WEEK. I THINK IT'LL COVER IT IF IT ENDS UP BEING 17TH. UH, YEAH, THERE'S A TRAINING COMING UP, BUT I'M, I DUNNO, I MEAN THIS TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER MY TRAINING. SO ANY OF THOSE DAYS WOULD BE OKAY. SO I'M SORRY, WHAT DAYS ARE WE NARROWING DOWN TO? SHE WAS LOOKING AT AN ALTERNATE, UH, I THINK WE WERE LOOKING AT THE 16TH, RIGHT? YEAH. OH WE'LL LOOK AT THE 16TH AND 17TH. UM, AND THEN I WAS ALSO LOOKING AT THE LAST WEEK OF MAY, UM, FIRST WEEK OF JUNE. SO THE 30TH THROUGH THE THIRD TO SEE, WELL, 30TH IS A HOLIDAY. YES. BUT WE COULD COME IN ON A HOLIDAY. , I'M OUT ON THE 31ST. OKAY. THE THIRD FOR Y'ALL. OKAY. I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT TOO. UM, IF WE CAN GO AHEAD AND SCHEDULE TWO, UH, MEETINGS. I'LL GO AHEAD AND GET THOSE ON THE CALENDAR NOW THAT I SCREWED ALL THAT UP. YEAH. MY CONFERENCE IS MAY 30TH TO JUNE 3RD, SO IT WAS NOT THE WEEK BEFORE . SO THE WEEK, SO THE 23RD. SO IT'S OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. WERE Y'ALL GOOD FOR THE 20, THE WEEK OF THE 23RD? NOTHING. I, THE 20 SHOUTS, 23RD. I'M GOOD. I GOTTA GO 20 THIRDS A BE SHIFT. YOU'RE OUT THAT WHOLE WEEKEND. WE CAN MOVE THE MEETING TO CANADA. I'M ALL FOR THAT. UH, SO YOU WON'T BE BACK BY THE 27TH [00:40:01] EITHER THEN, RIGHT? NO MA'AM. OKAY. WE'RE ALL JUST TOO BUSY. I KNOW. LIKE COORDINATE 11 CALENDARS. I KNOW. I WAS GONNA SAY, WHEN CAN MOST OF US SHOW UP? SATURDAY. SO , YOU GUYS ARE GONNA KILL ME. I WAS GONNA SAY MY CALENDAR, I, ON THAT DAY, ON 23RD IT SAYS VICTORIA DAY IN CANADA. YEAH, VICTORIA DAY. OH, SO YOU'RE GONNA BE IN CANADA, VICTORIA. IT'S A BIG HOLIDAY FOR YOU. QUEEN VICTORIA'S BIRTHDAY. HUH? THAT WAS THE PLAN. THAT'S A BIG DEAL FOR ME. QUEEN VICTORIA'S BIRTHDAY IS ACTUALLY THE 24TH OF MAY. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I'M CALLED VICTOR. OH REALLY? IS THAT YOUR BIRTHDAY? THE 24TH. WOW. OH, YOU'VE GOT A BIRTHDAY COMING IN. IT USED TO BE VICTORIA DAY AND THEN IT WAS EMPIRE DAY. THEN IT BECAME COMMONWEALTH DAY. AND THAT'S MY BIRTHDAY. . ALL RIGHT IT UP FOR I, I'LL, I'LL UM, WORK WITH RICK'S CALENDAR. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN'T, UH, I GUESS 16TH AND 17TH ARE PREFERABLE RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE EVERYBODY HAS OFF. YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I'LL MEET WITH YOU WHENEVER. LET ME KNOW. ALRIGHT. AND WITH THAT WE ARE ADJOURNED. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AT THIS MEETING IN THE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.