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DURING THIS, THIS MEETING ORDER.
THIS IS THE, UH, 2022 FANTASY BASEBALL.
THIS IS THE, UH, UM, CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION MEETING FEBRUARY 24TH, 2022.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO BEGIN BY, UM, ADDRESSING
[1a. Consider approval of the Civil Service Commission minutes from the January 27, 2022, meeting.]
THE MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING, UH, MEETING HELD ON JANUARY 27TH, 2022.MOTION BEEN MADE TO APPROVE I A SECOND.
UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MEETINGS.
SO THE MEETINGS WILL STAND AS APPROVED.
BUSINESS ITEMS, UM, WE'RE GONNA BE HEARING AROUND, I THINK WE'VE COUNTED 19 OR 20, UM, ITEMS THAT ARE, HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO US FOR CONSIDERATION.
AND WE'RE JUST GONNA START RIGHT DOWN THE LIST.
THERE'S QUITE A FEW, SO WE'LL GET RIGHT TO IT.
[2a. Conduct hearing and consider the appeal of Question Number 31 from the Fire Battalion Chief/ Division Chief promotional examination, which was administered on February 3, 2022]
UH, THE FIRST ONE WILL BE QUESTION NUMBER 31 FROM THE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF DIVISION, CHIEF PROMOTIONAL EXAMINATION ADMINISTERED FEBRUARY 3RD, 2022.SEE, WE'LL CALL, UH, THAT'S MR. JAMES MILLER, I BELIEVE.
OH, BEFORE WE DO THAT, WE NEED TO OPEN THE MEETING WITH THE SCRIPT.
I NOW CALL TO ORDER THIS APPEAL MEETING FOR THE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF, FIRE LIEUTENANT AND FIRE EQUIPMENT OPERATOR PROMOTIONAL EXAMINATIONS, WHICH WERE ADMINISTERED ON FEBRUARY 3RD AND FOURTH, 2022 RESPECTIVELY.
WE WILL NOW PROCEED WITH OUR FIRST APPEAL, STARTING WITH ALL THE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF APPEAL QUESTIONS, AND THEN MOVE TO THE FIRST LIEUTENANT APPEAL QUESTIONS AND THEN THE EQUIPMENT OPERATOR APPEAL QUESTIONS.
SO NOW THE FIRST ONE IS, UM, JAMES MILLER.
DO YOU DESIRE TO PURSUE YOUR APPEAL? I DO NOT.
SO THAT FIRST ONE IS, UM, IS DISMISSED FIRST ONE IS DISMISSED.
UM, SO NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE SECOND ONE.
WAS THAT TWO A I THAT WAS, THAT WAS NUMBER, UM, QUESTION.
OH, YOU MEAN ON THE AGENDA? YES.
ON THE AGENDA THERE WAS TWO A CORRECT, I BELIEVE SINCE HE WITHDREW IT, YOU WOULD JUST PASS ON THAT AND THEN MOVE TO TWO B.
THERE'LL BE NO MOTION ON TWO A, WE'LL JUST GO TO TWO B.
[2b. Conduct hearing and consider the appeal of Question Number 2 from the Fire Lieutenant promotional examination, which was administered on February 3, 2022. ]
ITEM NUMBER TWO B, WHICH IS QUESTION NUMBER TWO.NUMBER TWO, AND THAT IS SEAN SANDERS SAUNDERS, SEAN SANDERS, DO YOU DESIRE TO PURSUE YOUR APPEAL? YES, SIR.
UH, YOU MAY NOW PRESENT YOUR REASONS FOR YOUR APPEAL ON THAT QUESTION.
IT SPEAKS OF, UM, TRYING TO GET TO THE QUESTION HERE ON MY, I DIDN'T BRING MY PAPERWORK.
MR. SAUNDERS, IF YOU'LL MOVE THAT MICROPHONE IN FRONT OF, I'M SORRY.
UH, IT SPOKE ABOUT, UH, FLASHOVER, BUT IT ALSO SPOKE, THE WHOLE SECTION TALKS ABOUT VENTILATION AND HOW THE FIRE IS A VENTILATED CONTROLLED FIRE.
IT DOESN'T SPEAK OF ANYTHING ELSE.
IF YOU HAVE THE CONDITIONS RIGHT AND YOU'RE MISSING ONE OF THE INGREDIENTS FOR IT TO BE AN EXPLOSIVE FIRE EVENT, THEN YOU HAVE TO ADD THAT INGREDIENT IN, IN THAT SECTION.
IT'S TALKING ABOUT FIREFIGHTERS ADDING TO THE EVENT BY OPENING DOORS AND ADDING VENTILATION.
UM, I MEAN, MY APPEAL THAT I WROTE PRETTY MUCH SAYS IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S, THE WHOLE THING SPEAKS OF VENTILATION.
SO WHEN YOU READ THE QUESTION,
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IT'S LOOKING AT, TO ME, IT LOOKED AT WHAT IS MISSING IN THIS EVENT.YOU HAVE THE, THE AIR REACHING THE FIRE, YOU HAVE ALL THE OTHER CONDITIONS.
VENTILATION WAS THE ONLY REASONABLE ANSWER I COULD CHOOSE FROM THAT LIST.
MEMBERS OF COMMISSION, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
JUST, JUST A COMMENT BASED ON PAGE 84 OF THE MATERIAL ON, ON SECTION FOUR WHERE IT SAYS EXPLOSIVE GROWTH PHASE PRETTY MUCH STATES THE QUESTION AND THE ANSWER VERBATIM THERE.
BUT IT ALSO IN THAT SECTION, IF YOU READ THE WHOLE SECTION, IT SPEAKS OF ADDING FOR THE EXPLOSIVE GROWTH EVENT TO HAPPEN, YOU HAVE TO, THE FIREFIGHTERS ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE, THE EVENT HAPPENING BECAUSE THEY'RE OPENING DOORS, THEY'RE VENTILATING THE FIRE, THEY'RE GIVING IT MORE AIR, MORE OXYGEN, THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW THE, IT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH AIR FOR IT TO GROW.
FIRE HAS TO HAVE THE, THE THREE DIFFERENT INGREDIENTS.
IT HAS TO HAVE AIR, IT HAS TO HAVE, IT HAS TO HAVE AIR, HEAT, AND FUEL.
AND IT'S TALKING THE WHOLE SECTION ABOUT HOW IT'S MISSING THE ONE INGREDIENT ERROR.
SO FOR THE EVENT TO HAPPEN, IT HAS TO HAVE THE INTRODUCTION OF THE VENTILATION.
SO I'M, I'M TAKING THE QUESTION FOR THE WHOLE SECTION, NOT JUST THAT ONE SINGLE LINE IN THE TEXTBOOK.
THE WHOLE SECTION SPEAKS OF VENTILATING THE FIRE.
AND, UM, MY, MY OPINION, MR. SAUNDERS, IS THAT I PERSONALLY APPRECIATE YOU EXPANDING YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION.
BUT I THINK FOR THE SAKE OF THIS TEST AND THIS QUESTION, UH, IT'S GONNA BE LIMITED TO, UM, TO ANSWER, ANSWER D FLAME OVER, IT SAYS, UH, VERBATIM IN THE, IN THE RESOURCE.
MR. DAVIS POINTED OUT PAGE 84.
WELL, I, WITH NO DISRESPECT, I DIDN'T TAKE THIS TEST AS WANTING TO MEMORIZE LINES.
I WAS TAKING THIS TEST AS GAINING THE KNOWLEDGE THROUGHOUT THAT I LEARNED THROUGH THE BOOKS AS I WAS READING THEM.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TAKING THE TEST BASE OFF OF, LIKE I SAID, AND I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THAT INITIATIVE.
UM, BASED ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD AND WHAT'S THE TEACHING MATERIAL IN, IN THE BOOK, UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE APPEAL.
DID WE HAVE ANYONE WHO SIGNED UP, UH, FOR THIS ONE? NO.
AND THEN, THEN TOLBERT, HEBERT, AND THEN JD HEBERT.
SO WE STILL HAVE SOME, UM, TWO MORE.
I, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I AGREE WITH Y'ALL THAT IT IS VERY MUCH WORD FOR WORD OUT OF THE BOOK ON WHAT THE QUESTION IS ASKING.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S TRYING TO SAY.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE QUESTION ASKED HOW THINGS ARE FORMED.
IT ASKS VERY SPECIFIC ON WHAT COMBINATION OF TWO THINGS CAUSE IT, AND IT IS WORD FOR WORD OUT OF THE BOOK.
OKAY, SO AGAIN, WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
YEAH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE APPEAL.
AND THAT QUESTION NUMBER THREE.
UH, SEAN SAUNDERS AGAIN, DO YOU DESIRE TO PURSUE YOUR APPEAL? I DROPPED THE APPEAL ON THIS QUESTION.
[2d. Conduct hearing and consider the appeal of Question Number 4 from the Fire Lieutenant promotional examination, which was administered on February 3, 2022.]
2D, QUESTION NUMBER FOUR.UM, NUMBER FOUR, THAT'S, UH, JOSHUA YOUNG.
DO YOU DESIRE TO PURSUE YOUR APPEAL, JOSHUA YOUNG HERE, AND YOU CAN MAKE NO MOTION.
ANY OF THESE THAT ARE EITHER BEING DROPPED OR THE PERSON ISN'T HERE, Y'ALL CAN EITHER PASS ON IT OR DO A MOTION TO DENY EITHER, EITHER WAY.
I JUST RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO THEM ALL THE SAME.
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PASSING ON THE ONES THAT, THAT PEOPLE DON'T WISH TO PURSUE, AND PERHAPS WE WOULD DO THAT AND THIS AS WELL.SO WE PASS WOULD BE THE OUTCOME THAT THAT STANDS AS GRADED.
CORRECT? WE PASSED ON THE FIRST ONE, SO WE JUST PASSED ON THE OTHERS.
AND THAT WAS NUMBER, UM, D READY FOR QUESTION NUMBER FOUR? NUMBER FOUR.
I WOULD SAY I THINK WE HAVE MORE THAN, YEAH, THERE'S MORE.
I WANT FILL FOR LOOK, WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE WHO HAVE APPEALED.
ROBERT, ROBERT HEBERT AND JD HEBERT AGAIN.
UM, OKAY, SO MY DISPUTE ON THIS ONE IS ON SOME OF THE WORDING IN THE QUESTION.
UM, WHAT THE LIGHT IS HORRIBLE.
UM, I'LL JUST READ THE PASSAGE.
I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE IT, BUT IT'LL GIMME AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
UM, SO IN HERE IT SAYS, LIKEWISE, THE COMPANY OFFICER IS THE DEFAULT.
AND THEN WHEN A CREW COMPANY DECIDES TO CONDUCT SKILL PRACTICE, IN EITHER CASE, THE IIC IS THE SAFETY OFFICER.
IN THE BOOK, IT ASKS WHO WAS THE SAFETY OFFICER FOR A TRAINING.
IN THIS PASSAGE RIGHT HERE, IT SAYS THOSE TWO PEOPLE ARE THE SAME PERSON.
I, I SEE THEY GAVE YOU BOTH OPTIONS AS AN ANSWER.
THEREFORE, I BELIEVE THAT IT'S CONFUSING.
SO I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE DUAL CREDIT ON THAT.
I KNOW IN HERE IT DOES SAY I, IC IS THE SAFETY OFFICER, BUT TWO SENTENCES ABOVE THAT, IT SAYS THE COMPANY OFFICER IS THE IIC.
SO THEREFORE IT, I, I BELIEVE IT'S CONFUSING IN WHICH IT'S TRYING TO SAY, BECAUSE IT IS THE SAME PERSON WHEN YOU READ THEIR PASSAGE.
THE, THE QUESTION WAS AT, UH, TRAINING ACTIVITIES, WHO IS THE DEFAULT SAFETY OFFICER IF NONE IS APPOINTED, AND THEN DIRECTLY OUT OF THE BOOK IT SAYS THE COMPANY OFFICER IS THE DEFAULT.
SO IT'S ASKING IF THE QUESTION HAD THE WORD DEFAULT IN IT, AND THEN THE BOOK HAS DEFAULT IN IT.
COMPANY OFFICER TO ME SHOULD BE THE NUMBER ONE ANSWER.
I DON'T EVEN THINK IT SHOULD BE THE TWO IC.
I THINK THE COMPANY OFFICER OUGHT TO BE THE DIRECT ANSWER.
YOU'RE SAYING, UH, LETTER A IS THE CORRECT ANSWER INSTEAD OF LETTER B.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LETTERS ARE FOR 'EM.
COMPANY OFFICERS LETTER A IIC IS LETTER B.
BUT DIRECTLY IN THE BOOK IT SAYS COMPANY OFFICER IS THE DEFAULT SAFETY, AND THAT'S WHAT THE QUESTION WAS ASKING.
BUT OFFICER A IS COMPANY OFFICER.
I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD BE THE CORRECT ANSWER.
THE COMPANY OFFICER IS THE DEFAULT.
IAC IT'S DIRECTLY IN THE BOOK.
YEAH, IT'S IN THE BOOK UHHUH
AND IT SAYS DEFAULT 'CAUSE OF THE WORD OF DEFAULT USED IN THE QUESTION.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE BOOK COMPANY OFFICER SHOULD BE THE ANSWER IN THE SENTENCE BEFORE IT, IT DOES NOT SAY DEFAULT.
IT SAYS, UH, LIES WITH THE IIC.
SO, UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MISLEADING.
WELL, AND I'VE JUST GOT A COMMENT.
PAGE 48 ON THE MATERIAL WE HAVE, THE QUESTION IS ASKING, WHO IS THE SAFETY OFFICER IF NONE IS APPOINTED? IF, AND ON SECOND PARAGRAPH, SO IT SAYS, IN EITHER CASE, THE IC IS THE SAFETY OFFICER FOR THE TRAINING ACTIVITIES, UNLESS HE OR SHE DELEGATE THE SAFETY FUNCTION TO SOMEBODY ELSE, WHICH WOULD INDICATE B IS THE IIC, IIC IS THE SAFETY OFFICER.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT IF YOU READ IT THAT WAY.
BUT THE ACTUAL QUESTION, IT'S, IT ASKS WHO IS THE DEFAULT SAFETY OFFICER, AND IN THE BOOK IT SAYS THE COMPANY OFFICER IS BY DEFAULT THE SAFETY OFFICER USING THE WORD DEFAULT.
IT'S IN THE QUESTION AND IT'S IN THE BOOK THAT STATES COMPANY OFFICER.
ALRIGHT, SO YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE SENTENCES.
LIKEWISE, THE COMPANY OFFICER IS THE DEFAULT.
BECAUSE THE QUESTION ASKED ABOUT THE DEFAULT SAFETY OFFICER, NOT ANYTHING ELSE.
AND IN THE BOOK IT SAYS THE DEFAULT IS THE COMPANY OFFICER.
IN EITHER CASE, THE IC IS THE SAFETY
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OFFICER FOR THE TRAINING ACTIVITIES, SO ON AND SO ON.AND THAT, THAT'S TRUE DOWN THE PARAGRAPH.
BUT THE, THE USE OF THE WORD DEFAULT IN THE QUESTION AND THE USE OF THE WORD DEFAULT IN THE BOOK, REFERRING TO THE COMPANY OFFICER, THAT'S GONNA BE MY FIRST INCLINATION.
BY DEFAULT, IF I SEE THE WORD DEFAULT, I KNOW THAT IF NO ONE'S AVAILABLE, WELL THE COMPANY OFFICER IS DEFAULT.
AND I, AND I CAN, I CAN, UH, PROBABLY AGREE WITH THAT SINCE BOTH OF 'EM ARE IN THE PARAGRAPH, IN BOTH SENTENCES, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE, LITTLE CONFUSING.
UH, SO I'M, I MIGHT BE A LITTLE SYMPATHETIC TO THIS APPEAL.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, UH, I'M LOOKING AT IT AND YOUR EXPLANATION DOES MAKE SENSE.
IT, IT, SO WITH THE DEFAULT SAFETY OFFER OFFICER, WELL, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT.
DID WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE SIGN UP TO SPEAK? NO, JD WAS THE LAST ONE.
WELL, THEY'RE BOTH A BEARERS, AREN'T THEY? I'M THE SMARTER ONE BY DEFAULT.
AND MR. YOUNG'S NOT HERE, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT.
I BELIEVE HIS ARGUMENT WAS THE SAME, SO, OKAY.
ALRIGHT, THEN WITH THAT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION BY DEFAULT WITH THAT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT ANSWERS A AND B FOR QUESTION NUMBER FOUR.
[2e. Conduct hearing and consider the appeal of Question Number 13 from the Fire Lieutenant promotional examination, which was administered on February 3, 2022.]
TWO E, UH, CONCERNS QUESTION NUMBER 13.WHERE HAVE I HEARD THAT NAME BEFORE? DO YOU, DO YOU WISH TO, DO YOU DESIRE TO PURSUE YOUR APPEAL TO MAKE SURE I'M ON THE RIGHT PAGE? I HAD THE WRONG BOOK A WHILE AGO, THAT'S WHY I COULDN'T ARGUE THE QUESTION.
UM, THE QUESTION, I DON'T HAVE THE QUESTION IN FRONT OF ME AGAIN, BUT IT STATES NOTHING ABOUT IN THE CONTEXT OF, AS THE QUESTION IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK, IT STATES, IT DOES HOWEVER, STATE THAT SMOKE BECOMES A FLAMMABLE CONCERN.
IT DOES STATE THAT IT IS NOW LOOKING TO COMPLETE WHATEVER IS STARTED.
IT DOES STATE THAT INSTEAD OF FLAME SPREAD ACROSS SURFACE OF THE CONTENTS, THE FIRE SPREADS FROM THE SMOKE FLOW.
THIS, THIS QUESTION IS NUMBER 13 IN THE CONTEXT OF SMOKE AND ITS HAZARDS.
IS OPEN FLAMING A GOOD OR A BAD THING? RIGHT? BUT IT DOESN'T, WHEN YOU'RE READING THE WHOLE PARAGRAPH AGAIN, I'M NOT JUST ZEROING IN ON ONE SINGLE LINE.
I'M READING THE PARAGRAPH, I'M READING THE WHOLE SECTION, AND THE WHOLE SECTION TALKS ABOUT MULTIPLE ASPECTS AND NOT JUST THE ONE, IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING IN HERE ABOUT IN THE CONTEXT OF AS THE QUESTION IS WRITTEN.
RIGHT? SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S YOUR, YOU'RE RECOMMENDING CHANGE OF THE ANSWER TO B BEING A BAD THING RATHER THAN A GOOD THING, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE SMOKE IS BECOMING A FLAME SOURCE OF A FUEL SOURCE.
BY WAY, THE WAY I'M READING THE QUESTION AND READING THE TEXTBOOK.
AND I READ IT, I READ WORD FOR WORD THAT, UH, FLAME IS ACTUALLY A GOOD THING.
PAGE 82, UNDER PREDICTING FIRE BEHAVIOR.
I DID NOT, I DID NOT SEE WHERE IT, WHERE IT IMPLIED THAT IT'S A BAD THING.
I JUST READ WHERE IT SAID THAT IT'S A GOOD THING.
AGAIN, I JUST WASN'T READING ONE SINGLE QUESTION.
I WAS READING THE WHOLE PARAGRAPH.
AND WHEN I TAKE A TE, WHEN I TAKE, WHEN I TAKE A TEST, I TAKE IT FROM THE WHOLE KNOWLEDGE I LEARNED, NOT JUST ONE SINGLE LINE.
SO, UH, BUT LOOKING AT THE QUESTION, LOOKING AT THE QUESTION, I UNDERSTAND, AND GIVEN THE, THE, UH, ANSWER THAT IT OFFERS MULTIPLE CHOICE, UM, SEEMS LIKE C IS THE CORRECT ANSWER THE WAY THIS QUESTION IS WORDED.
OH, UH, ANYONE ELSE? UH, ROBERT, UH, WE'RE ON ROBERT AND JD.
AGAIN, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO AGREE WITH YOU, RICHARD, STRAIGHT OUTTA THE BOOK.
THE UNDERSTANDING BEGINS WITH THE NOT NOTION THAT OPEN FLAMING IS ACTUALLY A GOOD THING, WHICH IS THE OPTION TO ANSWER ON THE BOOK.
IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT BEING A BAD THING.
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THE COMMISSION.THE MOTION IS DENIED ON TO ITEM TWO F, WHICH IS ABOUT QUESTION NUMBER 22.
UM, LET'S SEE, IS ROBERT, HEY BEAR, DO YOU, I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW, PLEASE.
OKAY, WE'LL WITHDRAW THAT ONE.
ITEM NUMBER TWO, G CONCERNS QUESTION NUMBER 23.
SEAN SAUNDERS, DO YOU WISH, DO YOU DESIRE TO PURSUE YOUR APPEAL? IRO? ALRIGHT.
OKAY, ITEM TWO H CONCERNING QUESTION NUMBER 80.
ROBERT ABERT, DO YOU DESIRE? THANK YOU.
ITEM NUMBER TWO, I CONCERNING QUESTION NUMBER THREE, VANESSA CHAVEZ, DO YOU DESIRE TO PURSUE YOUR APPEAL WITH, UH, HERE, WITHDRAW HERE? NO.
[2j. Conduct hearing and consider the appeal of Question Number 23 from the Fire Equipment Operator/ Fire Inspector promotional examination, which was administered on February 4, 2022.]
J CONCERNS QUESTION NUMBER 23.MR. UH, IF YOU GOT TRENT DAR, DO YOU DESIRE TO PURSUE YOUR APPEAL? YES, SIR.
SO, DURING THIS QUESTION, UH, ON THE RIGHT ANSWER, WHENEVER TALKING ABOUT AN ARTICULATING AREA APPARATUS BETWEEN PAGES 6 85 AND 6 86, UM, THE CORRECT ANSWER I BELIEVE WAS STATED ON 6 86 OF THE TEST MAKER FOUND, UM, FOR THE AERIAL APPARATUS NEEDING, UH, PLENTY OF ROOM TO OPERATE.
BUT JUST BEFORE THAT, IN THE SAME SUBSECTION THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ON 6 85, IT ALSO EXPLAINS HOW, UH, LET'S SEE, ACTUALLY THE KNUCKLE OF A IS A PARTICULAR CONCERN WHEN OPERATING, UM, AN AERIAL, EXCUSE ME, SORRY, OPERATING AT LOWER ELEVATIONS, UH, WHICH MAY ALSO CREATE THE KNUCKLE MAY BE BEHIND, ABOVE OR BELOW THE POSITION OF THE AERIAL OPERATOR, WHICH MAKES VISIBILITY OF THAT MORE DIFFICULT.
SO WITH THAT, UM, THE, HIS ANSWER WAS A, MY RECOMMENDATIONS, OR WHAT I'M ASKING IS FOR QUESTION A OR C TO BOTH BE CORRECT ON THAT ONE, WHICH WAS, UH, C WAS BLIND SPOT OR SCRUB SPOT.
MR. DAR, I, I DON'T HAVE PAGE 6 85, WE JUST HAVE 6 86.
CAN YOU READ THAT AGAIN? WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE QUOTING FROM THAT? UM, ON THE, LET'S SEE.
SO ON 6 85, THE, IT'S THE LAST PARAGRAPH.
DRIVERS OF ARTICULATING ARROW APPARATUS MUST ALSO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ELBOW JOINT BETWEEN THE TWO BOOM SECTIONS AS WELL AS THE WORKING END OF THE APPARATUS.
THE KNUCKLE IS OF PARTICULAR CONCERN WHEN OPERATING AT LOWER ELEVATIONS.
IT IS IN THIS POSITION THAT THE KNUCKLE MAY BE BEHIND, ABOVE OR BELOW THE POSITION OF THE A OPERATOR, WHICH MAKES VISIBILITY OF THAT AREA MORE DIFFICULT AS IN CREATING A BLIND SPOT.
SO THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING THAT ALSO, UH, C BE CORRECT AS WELL.
BLIND SPOT, SPOT AND SCRUB SPOT.
DANIEL, UH, CALHOUN, WHO WISH TO, OKAY, WILLIAM ILLA.
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GOOD MORNING.UM, I ACTUALLY ALSO SUPPORT TRE'S STATEMENT.
I'M WILLING TO LOAN YOU MY BOOK IF YOU ACTUALLY WANNA READ IT, BUT, UH, WORD FOR WORD, THAT'S WHAT IT SAID.
OKAY, WELL, BASED ON THAT, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN OUR YES.
SO BASED ON THAT, IF IT'S INDICATING THAT, UH, VISION AND BLIND SPOTS WOULD COME INTO PLAY, I COULD SEE HOW THAT'D BE A LITTLE CONFUSING AND MAYBE TWO ANSWERS WOULD BE POSSIBLE ON QUESTION NUMBER 23.
SO I'M SOMEWHAT SYMPATHETIC TO THAT.
SO I CAN DO EITHER, UM, UM, EX ACCEPT THE APPEAL, THROW THE QUESTION OUT WHAT ARE OPTIONS OTHER THAN TO, OTHER THAN TO ACCEPT THE APPEAL.
WELL, YOU CAN, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION HERE IN A MINUTE, BUT I'M JUST WAITING FOR OTHER COMMENTS.
THE HAVE YOU GOT THAT SECOND, HAVE YOU GOT THAT SECOND PAGE? NO, WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
WE, WE, SO YOUR, JUST TO CLARIFY, YOUR CHOICES ARE TO KEEP THE ANSWER THE SAME, CHANGE IT TO A DIFFERENT ANSWER, MORE THAN ONE ANSWER IS CORRECT, OR YOU CAN DELETE THE QUESTION.
YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE AWARE OF THAT.
SO BASED ON THAT, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT ANSWERS A AND C FOR QUESTION NUMBER 23.
YEAH, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
UNLESS, UNLESS YOU'RE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, WE CAN'T RECOGNIZE YOU.
UH, WHAT'S YOUR NAME? THIS IS FOR, UH, TWO J, UH, YEAH.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT IT DOES SAY THAT IT'S, THAT VISION CAN BE DIFFICULT, BUT THE PRIMARY CONCERN WITH OUR ARTICULATING APPARATUS IS THE DISTANCE THAT IT, THAT YOU NEED TO OPERATE IT.
IT'S VERY CLEAR, UM, ARTICULATING APPARATUS.
IT DOESN'T TELESCOPE STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN.
UM, THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF CIVIL SERVICE ALLOWS FOR TWO ANSWERS, AND YOU HAVE TO GO WITH THE BEST ONE.
THAT IS VERY CLEARLY THE BEST ANSWER.
THEREFORE, IT SHOULD BE LEFT, UH, THE WAY IT IS.
CAN I, SURE I WANNA SEE THE BOOK.
CAN I SEE THE BOOK PERMISSION TO APPROACH THE NAMES? I'M SORRY.
PERMISSION TO APPROACH THE, YEAH.
6 86 IS YOU WANT ME TO FIND IT ON? NO, I GOT IT.
THIS SITUATION, SEE, IT DOESN'T, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY I, I THINK THEY'RE REFERENCED IN LINE OR NO SCRUB SPOT, BUT IT DOESN'T, BUT IT ONLY REFERENCES SPACE.
YEAH, BUT IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T REFERENCE THAT.
IS THERE ONE OTHER PERSON TO SPEAK? YEAH, HE DID.
IT'S, IT, THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE THAT SAYS THIS.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, MY MAIN ARGUMENT, UH, AGAINST IS, UH, THAT ACCORDING TO THE RULES AND REGULATIONS, THOUGH IT MAY BE RIGHT, IN CERTAIN LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES, IT DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA NECESSARY TO GRANT AN APPEAL ACCORDING TO THE RULES AND REGS.
WELL, UNLESS, UNLESS I'M MISSING SOMETHING HERE.
UM, THE BLIND OR NO SCRUB SPOT IS NOT MENTIONED IN THE TEXT AT ALL.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S INFERRED IT'S NOT MENTIONED.
IT MAY BE INFERRED, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE TEST QUESTION IS
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THERE, IT'S NOT REFERENCED IN THE MATERIAL.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT THE, THE BEST ANSWER, AND AGAIN, THE ONE THAT SHOULD BE SELECTED WOULD BE A, SO I WOULD MAKE MOTION TO DENY IT.
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WELL, I, CAROL, CAN I CHANGE IT? CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.I THINK THERE WAS ALREADY A MOTION TO ACCEPT TWO ANSWERS.
TWO, THERE WAS, YEAH, I, I PREVIOUSLY MADE A MOTION TO ACCEPT ANSWERS A AND C ON QUESTION NUMBER 23.
WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WAS GONNA SPEAK ON THIS? NO, THAT WAS, UH, ZACH, UH, DANIEL CALHOUN AND WILLIAM, UH, FIA, AND I THINK THEY'VE EITHER SPOKEN OR, OR DECLINED.
SO WE'RE PROBABLY READY FOR A MOTION.
SO YOU HAVE A MOTION ON, ON THE FLOOR, SO YOU NEED TO ADDRESS YES.
THAT, AND THEN IF THAT MOTION FAILS, THEN YOU COULD INTRODUCE A NEW MOTION.
WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND TO MY MOTION JUST YET.
OKAY, THEN THE MOTION FAILS, OR IF THERE'S NO SECOND, IT'LL FAIL.
IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION FOR THIS QUESTION? UM, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY THE APPEAL
SO MAYBE WE NEED SOME, SOME DISCUSSION HERE.
SO, UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, ALRIGHT, SO THAT MOTION FAILS FOR LACK OF A SECOND, ALSO LACK OF A SECOND.
SO JUST, AND, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU AS THE CHAIRMAN CAN SECOND AND BREAK A TIE.
THERE'S THREE OF US, SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A TIE HERE.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THE, THE, UH, THE, THE MOTION IS TO APPEAL, APPEAL THE ANSWER, UM, THE ANSWER IS, THE ANSWER IS, A, THE APPLICANT, UH, WANTS ANSWER C INSTEAD OF A, OR IN ADDITION TO THEY'RE ASKING FOR A NC, THEY'RE ASKING FOR A AND C.
AND WE DON'T HAVE MATERIALS IN OUR PACKET THAT REFLECT WHAT'S IN THE BOOK TO ADD ANSWER C.
AND, AND IN THE BOOK IT DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT BLIND OR NO SCRUB SPOT.
SO NOW THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION, WELL, MY REASONING ON THAT COMMISSIONER IS IN, IN HEARING WHAT THE BOOK STATED AND WHAT YOU READ, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T MENTION BLIND SPOT, IT MENTIONS, UH, SITE DIFFICULTIES IN AREA DIFFICULTY NAVIGATING THAT AERIAL APPARATUS.
UH, WHICH, WHICH LEADS ME TO THE, IT WAS THAT ANSWER C COULD BE A POSSIBLE ANSWER IN ADDITION TO A IS MY, IS MY REASONING ON IT.
SO YOU WANT MAKE, YOU WANT TURN THAT INTO A MOTION.
WELL, UNLESS WE AGREE, THERE'S NO POINT IN MAKING ANOTHER MOTION.
HUH?
WELL, DO YOU WANNA READ THIS? WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ON IT? YEAH, NO, NO, I CAN, I CAN, UM, I CAN SUPPORT YOU.
THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE REFERENCING IN THE TEXT.
CAN I LOOKED OVER THAT WHEN YOU ARE READY? OKAY.
BASED ON THAT, I'LL MAKE ANOTHER MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT ANSWERS A AND C FOR QUESTION NUMBER 23.
SO, SO THAT MOTION IS, UM, IS ACCEPTED TO, DID YOU VOTE? I WAS GONNA SAY, CAN YOU CLARIFY YOUR, YOUR VOTE? VOTE? YEAH, I, I'M SORRY.
I, I ACCEPT, UM, SECONDED AND VOTED.
SO THE MOTION PASSES TO, TO ACCEPT ANSWERS A AND C.
NEXT ITEM IS, UH, MAY I HAVE APPROACH TO GET MY BOOK BACK? YES.
NEXT ITEM IS, UH, TWO J, WHICH CONCERNS QUESTION NUMBER 2302 2K.
2K, I, UH, QUESTION NUMBER 24.
AND THAT'S, UM, UH, CHLOE MATULA, DO YOU DESIRE TO PURSUE YOUR APPEAL? I'M GONNA WITHDRAW THAT ONE.
[2l. Conduct hearing and consider the appeal of Question Number 34 from the Fire Equipment Operator/ Fire Inspector promotional examination, which was administered on February 4, 2022.]
OKAY.UH, TWO L, QUESTION NUMBER 34.
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UM, DANIEL CALHOUN, DO YOU DESIRE TO PURSUE YOUR APPEAL? YES, I DO.SO I'M PURSUING THIS APPEAL ON THE BASIS OF CONSIDERING TWO POSSIBLE ANSWERS FOR THIS QUESTION.
THE QUESTION STATES, WHEN USING AN AERIAL PLATFORM FOR A WINDOW RESCUE, HOW SHOULD THE BASKET BE POSITIONED? UH, THE CORRECT, UH, THE CORRECT ANSWER, UM, INDICATED ON THE ANSWER BANK IS TOP RAIL OF THE PLATFORM, UH, WITH THE WINDOW SILL.
UM, I, I ANSWERED B UH, WITH THE FLOOR OF THE PLATFORM, EVEN WITH THE WINDOW SILL.
SO IF YOU READ, UM, IN PAGE 727, IT DOES STATE THAT WHEN USING AERIAL PLATFORMS, MOST FIRE DEPARTMENTS PREFER THAT THE PLATFORM BE PLACED SO THAT THE TOP RAIL OF THE PLATFORM IS EVEN WITH THE WINDOWS SILL.
IF YOU READ FURTHER DOWN IN THE, UH, PARAGRAPH, IT SAYS, UH, AN ALTERNATIVE ALTERNATIVE TO THIS METHOD IS TO POSITION THE PLATFORM SO THAT THE ACCESS GATE THROUGH THE PLATFORM RAILING, UH, WHICH IS THE BASE OF THE PLATFORM, UM, IS ADJACENT TO THE WINDOW OPENING.
SO BASED OFF OF THAT, UM, I'M, UH, PURSUING THAT BOTH ANSWERS A AND B BOTH BE CONSIDERED RIGHT ANSWERS.
UM, NEXT WITH, UM, ZACH, WE HAD ANOTHER APPELLANT WHO SHOULD SPEAK FIRST? JONATHAN.
YEAH, THERE WAS, UH, THERE'S SIX PEOPLE SIGNED UP ON THIS ONE.
WAIT A MINUTE, YOU'LL KNOW THIS IS L THIS IS L YEAH, THERE'S THREE.
WE JUST HEARD FROM, THAT WAS DANIEL, RIGHT? THAT WAS DANIEL.
OKAY, ZACH, WE NEED, WE NEED JONATHAN FIRST, AND THEN ZACH.
WHO'S JONATHAN HERE? JONATHAN, WHAT'S YOUR LAST NAME? OKAY, SHE'S JONATHAN MOORE.
UM, AND, AND TO ME, I AGREE WITH WHAT CALHOUN SAID.
UM, AN ALTERNATIVE TO THIS IS TO POSITION THE PLATFORM.
SO THE ACCESS GATE THROUGH THE PLATFORM RAILING IS ADJACENT TO THE WINDOW OPENING.
AND, UM, WHILE THAT'S NOT VERBATIM, THAT'S THE FLOOR OF THE PLATFORM, EVEN WITH THE WINDOWSILL, TO ME, THAT'S BASICALLY THE SAME THING.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, I APOLOGIZE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE QUESTION, THE ANSWER STAY AS IT IS.
IT DOES SAY THAT, THAT AN ALTERNATIVE TO THIS METHOD IS TO POSITION THE PLATFORM SO THAT THE ACCESS GATE THROUGH THE PLATFORM RAILING IS ADJACENT TO THE WINDOW OPENING THE PLATFORM RAIL BASES AT THE BOTTOM.
BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY BE THERE.
YOU COULD HAVE POSITIONED IT SLIGHTLY LOWER.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AT THAT RAIL.
THAT SAME PARAGRAPH GOES ON TO STATE.
IN THIS CASE, THE GATE MUST, IN THIS CASE, OPEN THE GATE TO ASSIST THE VICTIM ENTERING THE PLATFORM.
THIS METHOD MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE DEPENDING ON THE DESIGN OF THE AERIAL PLATFORM.
SO WHAT THAT'S ALLUDING TO IS NOT ALLUDING TO WHAT IT'S BASICALLY SAYING IS THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU PLACE IT, IF THE PLATFORM ISN'T DESIGNED THAT WAY, THERE'S NO FURTHER INFORMATION IN IT.
IT SAYS THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE POSSIBLE, SO IT COULD NOT BE A CORRECT ANSWER IN THAT INSTANCE.
I, I HAVE A QUESTION AND, AND I WAS THINKING THAT SAME THING, UH, ARE, ARE ALL THE PLATFORMS THAT QUIT WITH GATES THAT OPEN UP ALL PLATFORMS DESIGNED AFTER 19? I BELIEVE IT'S 97 R BUT THEY'RE POSITIONED AT THE CORNERS.
THEY'RE NOT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE FRONT.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO PROPERLY PLACE THE GATE AT THE PLATFORM, AND THEN THE BASE, LIKE AS I SAID, DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE THERE BECAUSE THE PLATFORM IS ABOUT THIS TALL TYPICALLY.
SO YOU COULD PLACE IT SLIGHTLY BELOW THE WINDOW SEAL.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AT THE WINDOW SEAL TO MAKE CONTACT.
WHEN THE INSTRUCTIONS ARE GIVEN FOR THE TEST, ARE THEY TOLD THAT THERE'S MORE THAN ONE RIGHT ANSWER AND THAT IT'S BEST ANSWER? IT'S BEST ANSWER VERSUS ANY ANSWER? OKAY.
WELL, HERE'S, HERE'S MY THOUGHT.
WHEN I INITIALLY READ THIS QUESTION, I WASN'T AWARE THERE'S EVEN A GATE ON THE PLATFORM.
AND SO IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THE PLATFORM AT, AT THE, THE EDGE OF THE PLATFORM, LEVEL OF WIND TO SEAL, TO STEP OUT INTO THE PLATFORM.
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THAT CAN BE OPENED AND RAISED UP THAT DOES, THAT DOES, UH, MUDDY THE ISSUE A LITTLE BIT.AND, AND MAYBE BOTH ANSWERS WOULD BE CORRECT, BUT IF THE GATE IS ON THE END OF THE PLATFORM, THAT MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR SOMEBODY TO GET IN IT.
SO NOT SURE WHERE I'M GONNA GO
I I WOULD, I AM GOING BACK TO ACTUALLY THE PREVIOUS QUESTION AND THE, THE STATEMENT THAT WAS ABOUT THE, UM, UH, ABOUT PICKING THE BEST ANSWER.
IT'S NOT, I MEAN, THERE MAY BE MORE THAN ONE RIGHT ANSWER, BUT IT'S PICKING THE BEST ANSWER.
AND, UM, DO WE HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER? UH, THIS GENTLEMAN STOOD UP.
NO, THAT WAS THE, UH, JONATHAN AND THEN ZACH AND DANIEL.
SO I ALSO THINK THAT THE, UH, QUESTION SHOULD STAY THE SAME.
SO IF YOU HAVE A BUCKET AND YOU PUT THE FLOOR OF THE BUCKET, EVEN WITH THE WINDOW SILL, THE BUCKET'S BLOCKING THE WINDOW, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
SO, UH, EVEN IF IN LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES, THE OTHER ANSWER MAY BE CORRECT.
SOMETIMES IT, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA FOR AN APPEAL.
THEN I, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE APPEAL, AND I THINK THE ANSWER SHOULD STAND THE WAY IT IS.
ALL IN FAVOR? OH, I SPEAK, UH, IT'S TOO LATE FOR THIS MOTION.
NO, THERE'S STILL DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.
ARE ARE YOU SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? YES, I'M ALREADY SIGNED UP.
WHICH, WHICH ONE ARE YOU? DANIEL CALHOUN.
SO AGAIN, I ADVOCATED THAT BOTH QUESTION OR BOTH ANSWERS, A AND B SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS THE RIGHT ANSWER, AND I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BOTH BE CONSIDERED A CORRECT ANSWER BECAUSE THE QUESTION ISN'T NECESSARY, ISN'T EVEN TAKEN VERBATIM OUT OF THE BOOK.
AND BECAUSE THE QUESTION ISN'T TAKEN VERBATIM OUT OF THE BOOK, THAT BOTH OF THOSE ANSWERS SHOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.
ONE MORE, ZACH, OR, YEAH, THERE IS NOTHING THAT SAYS THAT THE QUESTION HAS TO COME VERBATIM OUTTA THE BOOK.
AND PART OF THIS PROMOTIONAL PROCESS IS READING THE MATERIAL, UNDERSTANDING IT, AND APPLYING IT CORRECTLY.
SO IN THIS CASE, IT SHOULD STAY THE SAME FOR THOSE REASONS.
SO I'M GOING TO, MY MOTION STANDS, YOUR MOTION'S STILL OPEN.
ARE WE STILL, SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT, UH, WHAT BROTHER COX IS SAYING, BUT BASED ON WHAT THIS COMMISSION HAS ALREADY STATED ABOUT INTERPRETATION OF THE TEXT AS A WHOLE, UM, Y'ALL HAVE DENIED, UM, HIS APPEAL BASED OFF OF THAT.
AND, UH, SO AGAIN, BECAUSE THE QUESTION DOES NOT COME VERBATIM OUT OF THE BOOK, AND BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO ACCEPTABLE ANSWER OPTIONS, IN MY OPINION, I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BOTH BE CONSIDERED.
I UNDERSTAND, AND I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT'S NOT AN ENTIRETY OF KNOWLEDGE.
HE, HE DID NOT SIGN UP TO SPEAK, I DON'T BELIEVE.
UM, THAT IT, IT'S NOT THE ENTIRETY, IT'S THE QUESTION, RIGHT? NONE OF THE QUESTION.
VERY FEW OF THE QUESTIONS ARE ACTUALLY VERBATIM WORD FOR WORD OUTTA THE BOOK.
THERE ARE SLIGHT WORD CHANGES HERE AND THERE, SO THE ARGUMENT THAT THIS IS NOT VERBATIM OUT OF THE BOOK, I DON'T THINK STANDS BECAUSE IF THAT WERE THE CASE, WE'VE GOT A, A NULL AND VOID TEST FOR THE MOST PART.
SO IT WAS, DID YOU GET THAT QUESTION RIGHT NOW? DID YOU GET THE WHOLE ENTIRETY OF THE BOOK? BUT DID YOU ABSORB THAT INFORMATION THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR IT IN THAT QUESTION? YEAH.
IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAT THE QUESTIONS COME VERBATIM.
UM, THE ANSWERS COME VERBATIM OUTTA THE BOOK THAN THE QUESTIONS.
WE SHOULD SAY WHO THEY ARE WHEN THEY GET UP THERE AND, AND GO THROUGH EV EACH SPEAKER BEFORE MOTIONS REALLY.
AND SINCE WE'RE PAST FACTS AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OPINIONS, UM, THE QUESTION SAYS WHEN USING, UH, HOW SHOULD THE BASKET BE POSITIONED? NOT WHAT'S THE PREFERRED METHOD OR THE MOST PRACTICAL METHOD? IT JUST ASKED WHAT THE METHOD IS.
I WAS GONNA SAY, CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO, AFTER EVERYBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, THEN THE NUMBER OF REBUTTALS THAT YOU WANT TO LISTEN
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TO IS YOUR CONTROL.CAN I SAY ONE MORE THING? ONE MORE.
THE BOOK, UH, MR. MOORE HAD IN HIS HAND WHEN HE WALKED UP HERE IS SITUATIONAL AWARENESS.
IT'S A DIFFERENT BOOK THAN THIS QUESTION IS BASED OFF OF.
SO IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT THAT BOOK SAYS, HE JUST REFERRED.
WE'RE, UM, WE'VE PROBABLY HAD ALL THE DEBATE WE NEED.
WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND, UH, LOOK FOR A MOTION TO, THE MOTION IS STILL ON THE TABLE TO CLOSE THIS CLOSE OUT, THIS QUESTION? YEAH.
THE MOTION ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE DENY IT, RIGHT? I SECOND IT.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION? AYE.
AND THIS WAS, UH, TWO L, RIGHT? OKAY.
[2m. Conduct hearing and consider the appeal of Question Number 40 from the Fire Equipment Operator/ Fire Inspector promotional examination, which was administered on February 4, 2022.]
M TWO M, WHICH IS QUESTION NUMBER 40.UH, IS THAT, UH, JASON CROS KRAUS KRAUS? YES, SIR.
DO YOU WISH TO, I GUESS YOU DO.
OH, I TIME OUT, TIME LET, WHO ELSE? UH, OKAY, SO THERE'S, UH, RYAN IS SIGNED UP TO SPEED.
THERE'S LIKE SIX PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON US, THANK GOODNESS.
BUT YOU'RE FIRST, I'LL BE SHORT.
UM, MY APPEAL OF THIS QUESTION IS BASED ON THE FACT, UH, AND YOU SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF THAT PAGE, UH, 4 45 IN FRONT OF, THERE'S THE TITLE WATER SHUTTLE APPARATUS MM-HMM
UNDER THE SECTION PUMPERS, IT TALKS ABOUT, UM, THE USE OF CERTAIN PUMPERS AND HOW MANY ARE REQUIRED FOR FIRE FLOW OPERATIONS.
FOR A FIRE SCENE, IT SAYS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF OPERATIONS THAT FEATURE A VACUUM TANKER, WHICH IS DESCRIBED LATER IN THE CHAPTER OR THE USE OF A HYDRANT.
MOST WATER SHUTTLES REQUIRE AT LEAST TWO PUMPERS FOR WATER SUPPLY.
THE PUMPER LOCATED AT THE WATER SOURCE IS GENERAL REFERRED TO AS A FILL SITE PUMPER, AND HAS RESPONSIBILITY OF FILLING WATER TENDERS.
THIS FUNCTION MAY REQUIRE TWO OR MORE SITES FOR LARGER SCALE OPERATIONS TO ACTIVELY SUPPLY THE FIRE SCENE.
AND THEN RIGHT BELOW THAT IT SAYS A NOTE.
IN ORDER TO FILL A MAX MAXIMUM CAPACITY, A PUMPER IS USUALLY REQUIRED AT THE HYDRANT.
UM, THE QUESTION THAT THE TEST MAKER ASKED WAS, IN A WATER SHUTTLE OPERATION, IS A DEDICATED PUMPER REQUIRED AT THE HYDRANT? UH, OBVIOUSLY B AND D ARE NOT CORRECT.
UH, A AND CI THINK SHOULD BE BOTH CONSIDERED CORRECT.
UM, ONE, THE REASON THE QUESTION DID NOT SPECIFY IN ORDER TO FILL AT MAXIMUM CAPACITY AS THE TEXT STATES.
IN THAT NOTE, UH, IN THE PREVIOUS PARAGRAPH THAT I READ, UNDER THE TITLES OF PUMPERS, IT SAYS MOST WATER SHELLS REQUIRE AT LEAST TWO PUMPERS FOR WATER SUPPLY.
A PROPER LOCATE AT THE WATER SOURCE HAS IS CALLED THE FILL SITE PUMPER.
SO I WOULD REQUEST THAT ANSWERS A AND ANSWERS C BE COUNTER CORRECT FOR THAT QUESTION BECAUSE OF THE CONFUSING TEXT WITHIN A COUPLE SENTENCES OF EACH OTHER ON THE SAME PAGE UNDER THE SAME TITLE.
AND HOW ABOUT, UH, RYAN GUZMAN? GOOD MORNING.
UM, I AGREE WITH MR. KRAUSE THE BEGINNING OF THAT PARAGRAPH UNDER PUMPERS, IT SAYS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF OPERATIONS THAT FEATURE A VACUUM TENDER OR THE USE OF A HYDRANT, THE QUESTION LITERALLY STATES WHEN WE'RE USING A HYDRANT.
HAYDEN PHILLIPS PASS, MR. ZACH PASS, DANIEL CALHOUN PASS.
WILLIAM FORGIVE, I PROMISE I'LL MAKE THIS QUICK THIS TIME.
UM, THE ANSWERS BASICALLY STATE, OR THEY DIDN'T BASICALLY STATE, THEY STATED, UM, IT'S NEVER USEFUL, WHICH THE TEXT SAYS THAT IT IS, OR THE ANSWERS WERE NO, NEVER.
AND, UM, THERE'S A THIRD ANSWER I BELIEVE THAT SAYS NOT FOR, OR IT'S REQUIRED FOR A PRESSURIZED HYDRANT, BUT NOT FOR A DRY HYDRANT.
THOSE ARE COMPLETELY LIKE, JUST WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, RIGHT? CORRECT.
UM, THE TEXT DOES SAY IT IS USUALLY REQUIRED AT THE HYDRANT FOR MAXIMUM CAPACITY.
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SO IT DOES STATE THAT IT IS USUALLY IMPLIED.NOT THAT IT IS ALWAYS IMPLIED, AND NOT THAT IT IS NEVER NEEDED, BUT THAT IT IS USUALLY NEEDED WHEN ATTEMPTING TO GET MAXIMUM CAPACITY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? NO, THAT WAS ALL, THAT WAS ALL THAT LEGALLY SIGNED UP
MY, MY THOUGHTS ON THIS QUESTION, UM, AS, AS I LOOK AT THE ANSWER POSSIBILITIES, A ALWAYS, UM, YES, ALWAYS.
AND THEN C IS YES, USUALLY TO ME, THOSE ARE PRETTY CLOSE ANSWERS.
UH, AND EVEN THOUGH THE ANSWER THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED HERE ON PAGE 4 45 SAYS, IN ORDER TO FILL A MAXIMUM CAPACITY, A PUMPER IS USUALLY REQUIRED AT THE HYDRANT.
UM, I'M KIND OF THINKING BOTH THOSE ANSWERS WOULD, WOULD BE CORRECT.
AND THERE MAY BE A LITTLE, A LITTLE GRAY AREA IN THIS QUESTION FOR ME.
UH, YEAH, IT'S USUALLY GRAY, BUT THAT STILL LEAVES IT OPEN.
THAT IF, IF YOU EVER DO NOT PUT IT, UM, AT THE HYDRANT, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT WRONG.
SO I, I SEE, I SEE A LITTLE GRAY IN THE DISTANCE WHERE WE COULD RUN INTO TROUBLE.
IF IT IS, UM, IF IT IS NOT SET AT THE HYDRANT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING INTO, OKAY, HOW, HOW, HOW, HOW CLOSE, HOW CLOSE IS THE HYDRANT? IS IT, YOU KNOW, SIX FEET, 60 FEET? UH, IT DOESN'T REALLY SAY, OR AT HYDRANT, IS THAT WITHIN ONE HOSE? UM, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT, STILL A LITTLE BIT VAGUE FOR ME, UH, BUT I CAN GO WITH, UM, WITH ADDING ALWAYS AS A CORRECT ANSWER.
ALSO, IF I COULD CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOSES AND, AND THINGS? YEAH.
THIS IS WHO, WHO ARE YOU? MY, I'M JASON.
I'M THE ORIGINAL APPELLANT OF THE QUESTION.
UM, I WAS, I HEARD YOU TALKING OVER, UM, THE SITUATION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS A DISTANCE THAT'S TOO FAR.
THE FIRE SAY IT'S, UH, A BARN FIRE WAY OUT IN A FIELD SOMEWHERE, AND THERE'S NO PRESSURIZED WATER SOURCES FROM A CITY OR A COUNTY AVAILABLE.
YOU HAVE TO USE WATER SHUTTLE, WHICH WOULD BE AN, AN INDIVIDUAL APPARAT, LIKE A TANKER TRUCK.
SOME PEOPLE USE LARGE 5,000 GALLON, 18 WHEELER SIZE TANKERS.
SOME USE SMALLER, UH, SIZE TANKERS, MAYBE 2000 GALLONS, AND THEY SHUTTLE THE WATER FROM A, A HYDRANT OR ANOTHER FIELD SOURCE PUMPER SOMEWHERE AND, AND SHUTTLE IT BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH DOWN A ROAD OR A PASSAGEWAY OF SOME KIND.
THERE'S NO HOSES INVOLVED PUMPING WATER THROUGH EXCEPT ONLY AT THE FIRE SCENE ITSELF.
SO THIS IS A, HAPPENS A LOT IN RURAL AREAS OF AMERICA.
DOESN'T HAPPEN REALLY A LOT IN SUBURBAN OR URBAN AREAS LIKE WE'RE INVOLVED WITH HERE.
UM, BUT KIND OF GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL ARGUMENT OF THE QUESTION DID NOT STATE OR ASK FOR MAX FIELD CAPACITY, BUT IN THE TEXT, THE ANSWER THAT THE TEST MAKER CHOSE STATES FOR MAX FIELD CAPACITY.
SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO REFOCUS.
IF I DIDN'T EXPLAIN THAT EARLIER, I APOLOGIZE, BUT THAT'S MY ORIGINAL FOCUS OF THE QUESTION IS THAT MAKER DID NOT SPECIFICALLY ASK FOR YES, USUALLY BECAUSE THE QUESTION DID NOT ASK AT MAX FIELD CAPACITY.
SO YOU WANNA REFRESH THE QUE THE MOTION? DON'T HAVE A MOTION YET.
COMMISSIONER, SARTOR, ANY COMMENT FROM YOU? I, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE GRAY AREA.
UM, I, I'M, AND I'M STRUGGLING WITH GOING BACK TO THE BEST ANSWER AND UM, YOU KNOW, PUMPER IS USUALLY REQUIRED, BUT THEN I UNDERSTAND THE AT MAXIMUM FILL 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T SPECIFY IN THE QUESTION.
SO YEAH, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE APPEAL AND HAVE BOTH ANSWERS BE CORRECT, WHICH WOULD BE ALLOWING ANSWERS A AND C BOTH FOR QUESTION 40.
UH, IT'S BEEN, UH, MADE AND SECONDED.
THAT MOTION PASSES TO ACCEPT ANSWERS A AND C AS CORRECT.
[2n. Conduct hearing and consider the appeal of Question Number 42 from the Fire Equipment Operator/ Fire Inspector promotional examination, which was administered on February 4, 2022.]
UM, 42 TO UH, M.NO MM UH, WHICH IS QUESTION NUMBER 42.
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MR. GUZMAN SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.WHO I'M MISSING? MY, UH, WHOSE QUESTION IS IT? I'M MISSING THAT FOOTAGE.
RYAN GUZMAN IS THE APPELLANT RYAN HERE.
IT'S, UM, WHO IS IT RYAN? MR. GUZMAN? OH, THERE'S THREE, THERE'S THREE OF THEM.
SITUATIONAL SITUATIONAL AWARENESS HERE.
OKAY, YOU'RE ON QUESTION 42 IS 1, 4, 2.
UM, THE, THE ANSWER REFERS TO, UM, PREDICTING THE FUTURE IN THE, UH, LAST PARAGRAPH.
UM, IT STATES SMOKE AND FIRE FOLLOW THE LAWS OF PHYSICS.
THEY'RE NOT SUGGESTIONS OF PHYSICS, THEY'RE LOSS AND THEY'RE PREDICTABLE LOSS.
IT SAYS THAT FIRE AND SMOKE ARE PREDICTABLE AND THE SAME PAGE, THE CORRECT ANSWER ON THE TEST WAS ONLY SMOKE.
OKAY, THERE WAS, UH, I'VE STILL GOT FOUR OTHER PEOPLE SIGNED UP.
UH, HAYDEN, PHILLIPS, UH, ZACH, I MAKE SURE HAVE THE RECORD.
SO THIS ONE COMES RIGHT OUTTA THE BOOK, SAYS, SMOKE NOT FIRE IS THE PREDICTOR OF THE FUTURE.
WHAT HE'S REFERENCING DOES SAY THAT IT FOLLOWS THE LAWS OF PHYSICS AND THOSE LAWS ARE PREDICTABLE, BUT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT PREDICTING THE FUTURE.
FIRE TELLS YOU WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.
SMOKE IS THE PREDICTOR OF THE FUTURE.
THERE'S ONLY ONE RIGHT ANSWER ON THIS ONE, AND SO IT DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA NECESSARY FOR AN APPEAL.
AND THAT'S MY, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
SO THE, UM, THE ANSWER IS MAKER SAYS THE ANSWER IS B.
THERE'S A, UH, AN APPEAL TO TO HAVE B AND C IS CORRECT ANSWERS, MAKE A MOTION, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE APPEAL.
SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR OF, UH, DENYING THE APPEAL.
ITEM TWO OH, QUESTION NUMBER 50 56.
UM, MR. RYAN GUZMAN, I MEANING YOU WITHDRAW OR WITHDRAW, OKAY.
[2p. Conduct hearing and consider the appeal of Question Number 57 from the Fire Equipment Operator/ Fire Inspector promotional examination, which was administered on February 4, 2022.]
TWO P, QUESTION NUMBER 57.I AM WILLIAM, UH, ON PAGE 47 OF THE TEXT THAT SAYS, A DECISION MAKER CAN GET A PATTERN MATCH THAT IS INCORRECT, AND THE SOLUTION THAT FEELS INTUITIVELY CORRECT MAY BE ACTU MAY ACTUALLY BE WRONG.
WHILE THERE GOES ON TO STATE ON PAGE 1 98, THAT IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR RESPONDERS TO HAVE FACED THE EXACT SCENARIO BEING FACED TO BENEFIT A PATTERN MATCH AND THE RESULTING INTUITION ON PAGE 47, AGAIN, HE STATES, THE RESPONDER MAY KNOW, MAY NOT KNOW IF THE PATTERN MATCH IS CORRECT.
THEN ON PAGE 9, 1 98, AGAIN, HE STATES, THE RESPONDER DOES NOT HAVE TO HAVE THE EXPERIENCE OF THE SCENARIO BEFORE TO GET A PATTERN MATCH.
THIS MEANS BOTH THE FIRST AND SECOND PARTS OF ANSWER D MAKING IT THE MOST CORRECT ANSWER.
HE SPEAK IN THE BOOK, HE SPEAKS TO A PATTERN MATCH IS A, IS YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT SOMETHING IS, AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO KNOW WHERE THE PATTERN MATCH CAME FROM FOR THAT TO BE THE, UH, THE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO KNOW WHERE THE, I DON'T HAVE THE QUESTION IN FRONT OF ME.
WE CAN'T HAVE THOSE, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THE PATTERN HA OR
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THE PATTERN MATCH IS THE, THE THING THAT YOU RECOGNIZE.SO I WOULD ARGUE C CAN BE RIGHT WITHOUT D BEING RIGHT, BUT D CAN'T BE RIGHT WITHOUT C BEING RIGHT.
SO JUST NO IS I THINK THE MOST CORRECT ANSWER.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I'M SORRY, YOU'RE SAYING WHAT?
SO ONE OF THEM SAYS NO, THE OTHER ONE SAYS NO, INSERT WHATEVER OR THE CONDITION.
SO THE MOST RIGHT ANSWER WOULD JUST BE NO.
SO IF YOU'RE STICKING WITH ANSWER C, YEAH, NO.
UM, DANIEL, DANIEL CALHOUN SIGNED UP? YES, THAT'S ALL IT SIGNED UP.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? THAT'S IT THAT SIGNED UP TWO PI FOUND MY QUESTION.
HOW DO YOU PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME? JE YES SIR.
I, I'LL TAKE WHATEVER IT WAS BAD IN THE FIRST GRADE.
YEAH, IT'S STILL BAD DEPENDING ON WHO YOU SPEAK TO.
I FOUND THE QUESTION IN MY EMAIL.
UM, IT SAYS NO, BUT THEY CANNOT TELL WHEN THE SCENARIO IS NOT IS OR IS NOT A PATTERN MATCH.
UM, THAT IS THE CORRECT ANSWER BECAUSE AS HE STATES A PATTERN MATCH IS THE CORRECT.
WHERE DID THE RESPONDER MAY NOT KNOW IF A PATTERN MATCH IS CORRECT, MAY IMPLY MAY STATES THAT HE MIGHT, HE MIGHT NOT.
IT DOESN'T SAY THAT HE WON'T KNOW.
SO AS DOWN HERE IT SAYS IS OR IS NOT, MAY IMPLIES, IS OR IS NOT.
UM, DID, IS THIS, UH, ZACHARY HENDERSON'S QUESTION ALSO? HE'S NOT HERE.
YES, HE'S OKAY, BUT IT WAS QUESTION.
AND, UM, OKAY, WELL THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL THE DISCUSSION.
I'VE GOT A COMMENT, BUT I'LL SAVE MINE FOR LAST HERE.
WELL, I THINK WE'RE AT LAST, I THINK WE'RE AT LAST.
I SAYING I'M GONNA COMMENT AFTER YOU GUYS COMING.
UM, YEAH, I'M, I'M FOR, UM, HAVING THE ANSWER IS, UH, NO LETTER C.
AND SO THAT MEANS WE, YOU ARE SUGGESTING WE DENY THE APPEAL.
MY, MY COMMENT IS, THIS QUESTION IS KIND OF CONFUSING TO ME WHETHER USING INTUITION OR NOT.
UH, AND, AND, AND WE DON'T HAVE PAGE 4 98 AND PAGE 4 47 IN OUR MATERIAL.
ALL WE HAVE IS PAGE 1 98, WHICH TALKS ABOUT NO TUITION, UH, NO INTUITION.
AND I GUESS IT'S CLEAR THE ANSWER NO WOULD BE CORRECT, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S TWO NOS HERE AND THE CONDITION ON THE SECOND ONE.
BUT IT'S, IT'S, TO ME, IT'S JUST KIND OF A CONFUSING QUESTION.
I, I'D AGREE IT'S A CONFUSING QUESTION, BUT THE ANSWER TO ME WOULD BE NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXPERIENCE THE EXACT SAME SCENARIO MR. FREE.
UH, I'D LIKE TO CHANGE MY REQUEST TO JUST THROW THE WHOLE QUESTION OUT FROM ACCEPT A MULTIPLE ANSWER.
YOU DO THAT OUT, AND THAT'S ALWAYS ONE OF OUR, THAT'S OUR DECISIONS WE CAN MAKE ON THAT.
YOU OKAY WITH THAT, AUDREY? NO.
I THINK THE TEST QUESTIONS SHOULD STAND.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S, THEY CREATED THE TEST FOR THIS PURPOSE.
AND AGAIN, THE BEST ANSWER ON THIS WOULD BE NO.
WELL, I THINK THE EFFECT IS HE JUST, HE JUST WITHDREW HIS APPEAL.
NO, HE'S ASKING US TO THROW OUT THE QUESTION, THROW IT OUT AS OPPOSED TO CHANGE THE ANSWER THE QUESTION OUT.
YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO DO HERE.
WE'LL HAVE TO, SOMEBODY WILL HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION.
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GO AHEAD, DAVE.WELL, AS CHAIRMAN, YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T MAKE THE MOTION.
OKAY, WELL, YOU NEED TO REFEREE.
OKAY, I WILL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO THROW THE QUESTION OUT.
THIS, THIS QUESTION HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN THROWN OUT.
OKAY, NEXT ITEM IS, UH, TWO Q CONCERNING QUESTION NUMBER 61, AND THAT'D BE, UH, MR. UH, RYAN GOSMAN, UH, WITHDRAWN.
UH, ITEM TWO R CONCERNING NUMBER QUESTION 68.
[2s. Conduct hearing and consider the appeal of Question Number 72 from the Fire Equipment Operator/ Fire Inspector promotional examination, which was administered on February 4, 2022.]
QUESTION NUMBER 72, MR. RYAN GUZMAN, DO YOU WISH TO? YES.DO YOU DESIRE TO PURSUE YOUR APPEAL? FLIP THE THREE QUESTIONS.
UH, WHAT TYPE OF THINKING AND PLANNING IS IT TO ASK WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, UH, OR WHAT YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH? EXCUSE ME.
UM, THE CORRECT ANSWER YOU GUYS HAVE IS B STRATEGY.
BUT IN THE BOOK, ON THE SAME PAGE THAT THIS COMES OUT OF, UM, AND I'LL READ IT WORD FOR WORD, THE INCIDENT OBJECTIVE, STATE, WHAT IT IS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED IN THE OPERATIONAL PERIOD, ALSO ON PAGE 85, UM, ICS FORM 2 0 2 INCIDENT OBJECTIVES IS LITERALLY DESCRIBED AS WHAT WE WANT TO DO ON THE SAME PAGE.
UM, SO I, I BELIEVE THAT ANSWER SHOULD BE ALSO ACCEPTED AS OBJECTIVES.
YOU WANT ANSWERS, UM, A AND D, A AND D, YOUR, YOUR APPEAL SAYS TO THROW OUT THE QUESTION.
YOU'RE ASKING TO THROW IT OUT.
UH, I WOULD PREFER THROW IT OUT, BUT BOTH A AND B, UM, ARE BOTH ANSWERS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE TEXT.
WHAT IS, THERE'S ANOTHER SPEAKER.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME THERE'S THIS, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. UH, MR. GUZMAN? WHAT, WHAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE? IF YOU THROW OUT A QUESTION OR YOU ACCEPT TWO CORRECT ANSWERS, IS THERE AN EFFECT? SURE.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON, I GUESS AS SOMEBODY ELSE, IT WOULD CHANGE THE GRADING FOR ALL PARTICIPANTS.
IF WE THROW IT OUT AND IT'S GONNA CHANGE IT EITHER WAY, THERE'S AN EFFECT ON BOTH.
WHAT THAT EFFECT IS, IS UNKNOWN BECAUSE OF HOW PEOPLE ANSWERED.
SO IT COULD HELP PEOPLE IF YOU THROW IT OUT, THOSE PEOPLE WHO GOT IT WRONG, IT'S ALREADY WRONG.
THOSE PEOPLE WHO GOT IT RIGHT IS ARE GOING TO PROBABLY BE PENALIZED MORE.
SO IF YOU ACCEPT TWO, SAME KIND OF SITUATION, IF THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY GOTTEN IT, SOMEONE GOT IT RIGHT AND SOMEBODY GOT IT WRONG, NOW THEY BOTH HAVE IT.
RIGHT? THEN THAT PERSON MOVES CLOSER.
SO IT, IT'S NOT A, EVERY SINGLE TIME IT'S AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO CHANGE THE ORDER BY THREE OR THIS OR THAT.
BECAUSE WE HAD A LONG LIST OF PEOPLE, IT CHANGES THE ANSWER FOR SOME, THOSE PEOPLE, LIKE ON THIS ONE, IF IT, IF THEY AN, IF YOU CHOSE A AND C, THOSE PEOPLE WHO ANSWERED B, IT HAS
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NO CHANGE ON THEM, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY IT'S, THERE'S A CHANGE, BUT WHAT THE ULTIMATE OUTCOME IS ON THE LIST CAN RETEST OR UNTIL YOU RECALCULATE, RIGHT? OKAY.BUT HERE'S, HERE'S SOMETHING ELSE.
THERE'S, IT'S ALSO BEING APPEAL TO, UM, BY CHLOE ULA, UH, RECOMMEND HAVE ANSWERED A AND B.
SO IF, IF WE TAKE HIS HIS REQUEST AND THROW IT OUT, THEN THAT, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO, UH, MATULAS APPEAL OF, UH, YES, IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HEAR EVERYONE ON THAT QUESTION AND THEN DO A MOTION TO DO WHICHEVER ONE Y'ALL FEEL IS RIGHT.
IS MS. MATULA GONNA SPEAK? GOOD? MORNING.
I THINK BOTH ANSWERS A AND B SHOULD BE CORRECT.
IT STATES THE INCIDENT OBJECTIVES STATE WHAT IS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED IN THE OPERATIONAL PERIOD, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE QUESTION IS ACTING, UH, ASKING.
I KNOW ON PAGE, UM, 1 0 6 AS THE, UH, AS A TEST MAKER HIGHLIGHTED, IT STATES STATES THE SAME FOR STRATEGIES.
SO I THINK BOTH, BOTH ANSWERS ARE CORRECT.
UM, FOR THAT QUESTION, I THINK BOTH ANSWERS ARE PRETTY CLEARLY CORRECT DIRECTLY OUTTA THE TEXT.
SO I THINK ACCEPTANCE ANSWERS A AND B WILL PROBABLY SATISFY ALL PARTIES.
AND AGAIN, WE DIDN'T INITIALLY HAVE PAGE 87.
BUT IN, IN LIGHT OF THAT, IT DOES APPEAR THAT, UH, TWO ANSWERS COULD BE CORRECT ON THIS.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS THAT'S WERE THE TWO APPELLANTS? IT WAS, UH, IT WAS HAYDEN PHILLIPS AND ZACH COX, UH, DANIEL CALHOUN AND WILLIAM IL.
I ALSO THINK, UH, BOTH ANSWERS SHOULD BE ACCEPTED.
I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE THROWN OUT, BUT BOTH ANSWERS ARE EQUALLY RIGHT.
HAYDEN, OR, OKAY, UH, DANIEL, I AGREE BOTH, UH, BOTH ANSWER OPTIONS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED CORRECT AND, UH, I OPPOSE THE QUESTION BEING THROWN OUT.
WILLIAM, APPRECIATE, UM, UH, I ACTUALLY GOT THIS QUESTION RIGHT, BUT AFTER HEARING IT PRESENTED, I DO THINK THAT CHLOE HAS A LEGITIMATE ARGUMENT THAT BOTH ANSWERS ARE CORRECT.
I DON'T THINK THE QUESTION SHOULD BE THROWN OUT.
I THINK YOU SHOULD SIM SIMPLY EXPECT, ACCEPT BOTH ANSWERS.
RYAN, YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? UM, YEAH, ORIGINALLY I SAID, UH, THROWN OUT, BUT BOTH ANSWERS CORRECT IS MORE APPROPRIATE IN MY OPINION.
LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE DIRECTION HERE.
WE ACCEPT ANSWERS A AND B ON QUESTION 72 A.
ALL IN FAVOR OF, UM, THE MOTION, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? OKAY, WE WILL ACCEPT QUE UH, ANSWERS A AND B.
UH, ITEM, UH, TWO T CONCERNING
[2t. Conduct hearing and consider the appeal of Question Number 84 from the Fire Equipment Operator/ Fire Inspector promotional examination, which was administered on February 4, 2022.]
QUESTION NUMBER 84.LOOKS LIKE IT'S TWO, TWO, UH, TWO REQUEST ORDERS.
UH, LET'S HEAR, UH, WILLIAM, WILLIAM, JJ, YOU WOULD, UH, CONTINUE TO PURSUE YOUR APPEAL.
I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, HEAR Y'ALL ACCEPT BOTH.
UM, LET, MAKE SURE I'VE GOT THE QUESTION UP.
WE WANT, LET'S LET SOMEONE ELSE OH, MIGHT HAVE
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FOUND IT.UM, LIKE I SAID, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
UM, THE QUESTIONS, THE INCIDENT COMMANDER SHOULD BE THERE IN A UNIFIED, HOW MANY INCIDENT COMMANDERS SHOULD THERE BE IN A UNIFIED COMMAND? 180 4, CORRECT.
UM, HOW MANY INCIDENT COMMANDERS SHOULD THERE BE IN A UNIF IN A UNIFIED COMMAND? ANSWERS WERE ONE, FIVE AS MANY AGENCIES ARE REPRESENTED AND ONE FOR FIRE, EMS, ONE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND ONE FOR OTHER SUPPORT AGENCIES.
UM, THE TEST MAKER SAYS THAT CORRECT ANSWER IS ONE.
UM, I, MY MOTION IS THAT BOTH ANSWERS BECOME, OR YOU ACCEPT ONE IN AS MANY AS THERE ARE AGENCIES REPRESENTED.
THAT IS BASED ON, UM, ON PAGE THREE 12.
IT STATES, IN A UNIFIED COMMAND SITUATION, REPRESENTATIVES FROM ALL EFFECTIVE AGENCIES OR JURISDICTIONS SHARE THE COMMAND RESPONSIBILITIES AND DECISIONS AND AGREE ON TACTICAL OB OBJECTIVES THAT MUST BE ACHIEVED.
THERE IS NO DEFINITION GIVEN FOR INCIDENT COMMANDER IN THE ENTIRE BOOK.
UM, THERE'S NO GLOSSARY OF TERMS IN THAT BOOK THAT APPLIES TO INCIDENT COMMANDER.
AND IF YOU USE THE INDEX AND YOU LOOK UP EVERY INSTANCE THAT INCIDENT COMMANDER HAS MENTIONED IN THAT BOOK, THERE IS NEVER AN INSTANT OR THERE IS NEVER A DEFINITION GIVEN FOR INCIDENT COMMANDER.
WHAT THAT REQUIRES IS YOU TO KNOW WHAT AN INCIDENT COMMANDER IS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO USE OTHER BOOKS, BUT IF NO DEFINITION IS GIVEN, WE HAVE TO APPROACH THE TEST THAT WE KNEW WHAT IT WAS COMING, WHAT AN INCIDENT COMMANDER WAS COMING INTO IT.
AND IF YOU USE TWO OTHER BOOKS LISTED ON THE, ON THE READING MATERIAL, AN INCIDENT COMMANDER IS SOMEONE THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING DECISIONS AND TACTICAL DECISIONS AND OUTCOMES FOR THE SITUATION.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, THAT MAKES THAT CORRECT, THAT THAT QUALIFIES THE PA THE STATEMENT ON THREE 12 AND A UNIFIED COMMAND STRUCTURE.
REPRESENTATIVES OF ALL AFFECTED AGENCIES OR JURISDICTIONS SHARE THE COMMAND RESPONSIBILITIES AND DECISIONS.
THEY JOINTLY ESTABLISH THE STRATEGIC GOALS FOR THE INCIDENT AND AGREE ON TACTICAL OBJECTIVES THAT MUST BE ACHIEVED.
LIKE I SAID, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THERE'S NO DEFINITION OF WHAT AN INCIDENT COMMANDER IS, IS IN THE GIVEN MATERIAL OR IN THE, THE BOOK OF QUESTION, MR. GUZMAN.
GUZMAN, AND THEN PHILLIPS, UM, I AGREE ENTIRELY WITH WHAT MR. FRIGE SAID.
UM, IT READS UNDER UNIFIED COMMAND, REPRESENTATIVES FROM ALL EFFECTIVE AGENCIES AND JURISDICTIONS SHARE THE COMMAND RESPONSIBILITIES.
IT DOES NOT SAY THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE INCIDENT COMMANDER THERE.
UM, I THINK BOTH ANSWERS, UM, SHOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
I, I KNOW I WROTE THROWN OUT, BUT BOTH ANSWERS CORRECT.
SO YOU'RE CHANGING YOUR APPEAL YES.
FROM THROWING IT OUT TO HAVING ANSWERS A AND C.
UH, ZACH COX, I, THERE'S ONLY ONE INCIDENT COMMANDER.
I MEAN, THAT'S ALL, ALL THE AGENCIES IN A UNIFIED COMMAND HAVE A SAY IN ESTABLISHING THE INCIDENT ACTION PLAN AND STRATEGIC GOALS.
THERE'S STILL ONE PERSON IN CHARGE, NIMS, ICSI.
UM, ALL, ANY BOOK THAT YOU READ, THERE'S JUST ONE.
THERE'S ONLY ONE RIGHT ANSWER.
NOTHING, NOTHING ABOUT THAT IS CORRECT.
DANIEL COHO, I AGREE WITH, WITH, UH, BOTH MR. GUZMAN AND MR. CHE THAT BOTH ANSWERS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.
IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
YEAH, IT'S, UH, I LIKE HOW THERE'S ONLY ONE, ONE HEAD COMMISSIONER UP HERE AND GOT A COUPLE OF, THERE'S, THERE'S ONLY ONE COUPLE OF COCOMS I TOO MANY CHIEFS NOT IN THE BE ALL COMMISSIONERS.
UM, YEAH, THE, THE, UH, THE, THE TEST
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MAKER INDICATES, UH, ANSWER A, WHICH IS ONE.UM, WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD SOME GOOD DISCUSSION AND WE KNOW THAT IN THE REAL WORLD, THERE'S, THERE'S COULD BE MORE THAN ONE AGENCY.
THERE COULD BE EMS AND I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE THAT WERE MENTIONED OUT THERE, WHICH ALL MAKES GOOD SENSE THAT THEY'RE ALL, HAVE THEY ALL PLAYED OUR PARTS DURING AN AN, AN EMERGENCY? UH, BUT THEY CAN ONLY BE ONE, ONE CHIEF, ONLY ONE PERSON IN COME COMMAND.
YOU CAN'T HAVE PEOPLE BUTTING HEADS.
UM, SO, UM, I'M INCLINED TO GO WITH, UM, WITH THE TEST MAKER'S.
WELL, AND, UH, AND, UM, MY FEELINGS IS SIMILAR.
UH, ON PAGE FOUR 30 IS ALL WE HAVE FROM THE TEACHING MATERIAL THAT STATES EACH INSTANCE SHOULD HAVE ONLY ONE INCIDENT COMMANDER, INCLUDING WHEN THERE'S A UNIFIED COMMAND.
UM, AND SO I'M, I'M LEANING TOWARDS ANSWER, RAISE THE CORRECT ANSWER AND PROBABLY DENYING THE APPEAL ALSO.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE APPEAL.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE.
UM, AND THAT TOOK CARE OF, UH, THAT TOOK CARE OF BOTH, BOTH APPEALS FROM, UH, YES.
OKAY, I THINK WE'VE GOT, UH, A COUPLE MORE.
UM, WHERE ARE THEY? I DON'T THINK I HAVE THE, THE
[2u. Conduct hearing and consider the appeal of Question Number 89 from the Fire Equipment Operator/ Fire Inspector promotional examination, which was administered on February 4, 2022.]
NEXT ITEM IS OKAY, T TWO U QUESTION QUESTION NUMBER 89.THAT WOULD BE, UH, DANIEL CALHOUN.
DO YOU WISH TO, TO, DO YOU DESIRE TO PURSUE YOUR APPEAL? OKAY.
UH, QUESTION 89 REFERS TO, UH, OCCUPANCY CLASSIFICATION OF A BUILDING AND WHETHER IT CAN, MUST APPLY TO, UM, ONLY A PORTION OR THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
UH, THE CORRECT ANSWER ON THE, UM, ANSWER KEY SAYS IT CAN APPLY TO ONLY A PORTION.
UM, I THINK THAT BOTH ANSWER A AND B SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.
UM, A SAYS IT CAN APPLY TO ONLY A PORTION.
UM, ANSWER B SAYS IT MUST APPLY TO THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE TWO 16 UNDER OCCUPANCY CLASSIFICATIONS IN THE VERY FIRST SENTENCE, IT SAYS, AN OCCUPANCY CLASSIFICATION CAN BE DEFINED AS THE USE OF ALL, OR A PORTION OF THE BUILDING OR INSTRUCTION.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE BOTH ANSWERS CONSIDERED AS CORRECT.
SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, BOTH, UH, THE TWO ANSWERS BEING CONSIDERED IS A PORTION OF THE BUILDING OR ALL OF THE BUILDING BOTH CAN'T BE RIGHT.
AND IT SAYS VERY CLEARLY IN THE BOOK THAT PORTIONS OF A BUILDING CAN BE, UH, CLASSIFIED ONE WAY, ANOTHER PORTION CAN BE CLASSIFIED THE OTHER WAY.
THE OTHER THING THAT IT GOES ON TO SAY IS THAT, UH, THE FIRE CODE WILL GO TO THE MOST STRICT OF THE TWO, UH, OF THE TWO.
SO I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR.
I MEAN, ONE, UH, ONE BUILDING CAN BE CLASSIFIED MORE THAN ONE WAY, AND THE FIRE CODE THAT APPLIES WOULD BE THE MORE STRICT ONE.
I AGREE WITH THE TEST MAKER THAT IT SAYS AN OCCUPANCY CAN BE DEFINED AS THE USE OF ALL OR PORTION A PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
AND THE QUESTION SAYS, CAN IT APPLY? NOT, DOES IT APPLY TO ONLY ONE PORTION? ALL THANK YOU.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING LEAVE AS, IS THAT ONLY ANSWER A WOULD BE THE CORRECT ANSWER? I, THAT, THAT WOULD LEAVE IT AS IS MM-HMM
I'M A, I'M SAYING THAT WHATEVER THE CORRECT ANSWER IN THAT THE TEST MAKER GIVES IS THE ONLY CORRECT ANSWER.
BUT JUST MY COMMENT ON, ON QUESTION 89, THE TEST MAKER SUPPLIED IN PAGE TWO 16, UH, THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION, BUT THE ANSWER STAYS IN OCCUPANCY
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CLASSIFICATION CAN BE DEFINED AS USE OF ALL, OR A PORTION OF THE BUILDING OR STRUCTURE.AND EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE SAYING ANSWER A IS CORRECT, THE, THE SUPPORTIVE INFORMATION HERE SHOWS THAT ANSWER A AND B WOULD BE CORRECT.
THAT, THAT BOTH WOULD BE CORRECT.
I'M, I'M GONNA DISAGREE WITH YOU
UM, AND, AND THEY'RE TRICKY WHEN THEY MAKE THESE QUESTIONS.
I'M TELLING YOU, I I DON'T ENVY YOU TAKING THESE TESTS.
UM, I THINK THAT THE OPERATIVE WORD IS IT CAN APPLY OR IT MUST APPLY MUST, WHEN YOU SAY IT MUST APPLY TO THE ENTIRE BUILDING, THEN YOU'RE SAYING IT'S THE, IT'S, THAT'S IT, IT MUST APPLY TO THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
AND THE TEST QUESTION SAYS IT CAN BE A PORTION OR ALL, SO THAT I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS IT CAN AND IT MUST.
SO I WOULD SAY A IS THE CORRECT ANSWER.
SO, UH, I'M, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE APPEAL.
YOU MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE APPEAL, WHICH MEANS IT WOULD JUST KEEP STICK WITH ANSWER A, ANSWER A.
OPPOSED? OKAY, SO THAT MOTION IS DENIED.
I I THINK THIS MIGHT BE THE LAST, UH, ITEM ON THE AGENDA, RIGHT? UM, ITEM TWO
[2v. Conduct hearing and consider the appeal of Question Number 91 from the Fire Equipment Operator/ Fire Inspector promotional examination, which was administered on February 4, 2022.]
V CONCERNING QUESTION NUMBER 91.UM, UH, HAYDEN PHILLIPS, THIS IS, UH, YOUR QUESTION.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? MORNING.
QUESTION NUMBER 91 STATES MOST FIRE CODES REQUIRE ANNUAL ANNUAL BUILDING INSPECTION.
AND THE QUESTION PART IS, CAN IT VARY? UH, THE TEST MAKER SAYS THE CORRECT ANSWER IS YES.
CERTAIN HIGH HAZARD OCCUPANCIES MAY REQUIRE MORE FREQUENT INSPECTION.
UM, THAT IS CORRECT AND THAT COMES STRAIGHT FROM THE BOOK.
HOWEVER, QUESTION OR ANSWER CHOICE C STATES, YES, A LOCAL JURISDICTION MAY CHANGE, INCREASE, OR DECREASE THE INSPECTION INTERVALS, UH, FROM THE TEXT ON PAGE 2 0 8, PARAGRAPH SIX, LIKE STANDARDS MODEL CODES ARE ONLY ENFORCEABLE WHEN THE AUTHORITY HAVING JURISDICTION ADOPTS THEM.
IN SOME COMMUNITIES, ALL AHJS MAY ADOPT A MODEL CODE WITHOUT CHANGES.
IN OTHER INSTANCES, THE CODE MAY BE AMENDED TO ADDRESS SPECIFIC LOCAL CONDITIONS AND NEEDS.
IT STATES RIGHT THERE THAT THE, UM, THE CODES CAN BE, CAN VARY AS NEEDED.
AND AGAIN, WE, WE DON'T HAVE PAGE 2 0 8, SO
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE REQUESTING TO, UH, YOUR ADD ANSWER CS CORRECT ALSO TOGETHER, TOGETHER WITH THAT.
SO IS THIS DIFFERENT? IS IT A DIFFERENT, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SECTION? YES.
IS THIS INSPECTION? WELL, DO YOU GUYS WANNA LOOK AT THIS? I THINK I KNOW WHICH WAY I'M GOING.
DO YOU WANNA SEE THAT? OKAY, MR. COX, YOU SIGNED UP.
WITHDRAW, UH, MR. CALHOUN? WITHDRAW.
UM, SO THE REQUEST IS TO ADD ANSWER C AS CORRECT.
ALSO, JUST, JUST MY COMMENT ON THAT.
IN LOOKING AT THE MATERIAL ON, ON THAT PAGE, I GUESS 2 0 8.
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UM, IF, IF WE ALLOW QUESTION C TO BE CORRECT, ALSO IT SAYS YES AND LOCAL JU JURISDICTIONS MAY CHANGE, INCREASE OR DECREASE THE INSPECTION INTERVALS.UH, NOWHERE IN, IN ANYTHING THAT I'VE SEEN ANYBODY'S GONNA DECREASE FROM ONCE A YEAR.
IF IT DIDN'T HAVE THE WORD DECREASE IN THERE, I, I WOULD THINK C WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY, BUT TO ME THE BEST ANSWER IS PROBABLY STILL A, BECAUSE I, I DON'T THINK ANY JURISDICTION IS GOING TO DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF INSPECTIONS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE ONE A YEAR AND MAYBE MORE.
RIGHT? BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ONE A YEAR AND MAYBE LESS.
AND SO I'M, I'M JUST CONCERNED WITH A LOT ON THAT IN THERE.
OKAY, SO THE WORD DECREASE, KIND OF THROW IT OFF.
AND, AND THE MATERIAL THAT WE DO HAVE ON 2 67, IT SAYS, UH, SPECIFIC, IT SAYS, UH, MAY REQUIRE MORE FREQUENT MM-HMM
MORE, MORE FREQUENT INSPECTIONS AND HIGH HAZARDS.
YEAH, THAT IS A KIND OF DANGEROUS WORD TO, TO DE DECREASE.
YEAH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE APPEAL.
ALL IN FAVOR? DENYING THE APPEAL? AYE.
SO THAT MO, THAT, UH, APPEAL IS DENIED.
[2w. Recess to regrade test(s), if necessary. ]
UH, WE NEED TO RECESS TO REGRADE THE, UH, TEST FOR ALL THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE.WE CONVENED THIS MEETING OF THE, UM, OF THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION.
UH, THE, THE, UH, TESTS HAVE BEEN REGRADED AND WE HAVE THE, THE, UH, THE NEW SCORES AND I'M ONLY GONNA READ THE ONES THAT WERE AFFECTED.
I'M GONNA START WITH THE, UM, BATTALION CHIEF.
SO, UM, NEW SCORES, UH, I CAN DO THE NAMES, NAMES AND THE, UM, SCORES AND IN PLACE.
SO THIS WILL BE THE FINAL LIST WITH ALL FINAL SCORES FOR THOSE WHO PASSED FOR READ IN RANK ORDER.
SO YOU'LL READ THE NAME AND THEN THE SCORE.
SO, UM, RANK NUMBER ONE WITH A SCORE OF 103, IT'D BE, UH, LUKE SACK NAR.
UM, THE SCORE OF 99 JAMES MILLER RANKED THIRD WITH A SCORE OF 96.
ERIC SCO RANKED FOURTH WITH A SCORE OF 82.
JAMES GILES FOR THE LIEUTENANT FINAL SCORE RANKED NUMBER ONE WITH A SCORE OF 99.
JACOB GRIFFITH RANKED NUMBER TWO WITH A SCORE OF 98.
JOSHUA YOUNG, RANKED NUMBER THREE, SCORE OF 92.
GEORGE LUCIDO RANKED NUMBER FOUR, SCORE OF 91.
ROBERT HEBERT RANKED NUMBER FIVE WITH A SCORE OF 90.
JOSEPH HEBERT RANKED NUMBER SIX WITH A SCORE OF 89.
MICHAEL DAWSON RANKED NUMBER SEVEN WITH A SCORE OF 89.
SEAN SAUNDERS RANKED NUMBER EIGHT WITH A SCORE OF 87.
JASON GARZA RANKED NUMBER NINE WITH A SCORE OF 87 JOHN HUGHES FOR EQUIPMENT OPERATOR.
RANK NUMBER, NUMBER ONE WITH A SCORE OF A HUNDRED 0.9 IS HAYDEN PHILLIPS RANKED SECOND WITH A SCORE OF 90.9.
CHLOE MATULA RANKED THREE WITH A SCORE OF 95.9.
ZACHARY HENDERSON RANKED FOURTH WITH A 94.9.
ZACHARY COX RANK NUMBER FIVE WITH A SCORE OF 94.9.
MARTIN ROJAS RANKED SIX WITH A SCORE OF 93.9.
WILLIAM PERIA RANKED NUMBER SEVEN WITH A FINAL SCORE OF 90.8.
JONATHAN MOORE RANKED NUMBER EIGHT WITH A SCORE OF 90.8.
JASON KRAUS RANKED NUMBER NINE WITH A SCORE OF 89.9.
RYAN GOMAN, RANK NUMBER 10 WITH A SCORE OF 89.8.
TRE NUMBER 11 WITH A SCORE OF 88.8.
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NUMBER 12 WITH A SCORE OF 88.8 DANIEL CALHOUN.RANK NUMBER 13 WITH A SCORE OF 85.8 GILBERT JUNE, NUMBER 14 WITH A SCORE OF 83.7.
MATTHEW MITCHELL, NUMBER 15 WITH A SCORE OF 80.7 JAMICA HAIRSTON.
SCORE OF NUMBER, I MEAN, UH, RANK 16 WITH A SCORE OF 79.7.
GARY HOUSE, HOUSEHOLD RANK NUMBER 17 WITH A SCORE OF 78.7.
AARON MCNEIL AND RANK NUMBER 18 WITH A SCORE OF 77.7.
BLAKE STEFAN, LAST ONE ON THIS LIST.
UH, RANK NUMBER 19 WITH A SCORE OF 74.7 MARTIN.
AND THAT'S, UH, THE NEW, UM, THE NEW, THE NEW SCORES AFTER THE REGRADE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CERTIFY, UH, THESE SCORES FOR FIRE BATTALION CHIEF DIVISION, CHIEF FIRE LIEUTENANT AND FIRE EQUIPMENT OPERATOR AND FIRE INSPECTOR.
I'M GONNA SECOND THAT MOTION THAT WE CERTIFY THESE SCORES.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE CERTIFICATIONS, SAY AYE.
THESE TEST SCORES STAND AS CERTIFIED AT THIS POINT.
UM, I GUESS I'LL CLOSE THE APPEAL HEARING FOR THE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF, FIRE LIEUTENANT AND FIRE EQUIPMENT OPERATOR PROMOTIONAL EXAMS, WHICH WERE ADMINISTERED ON FEBRUARY 3RD AND FEBRUARY 4TH, 2022.