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          POLICE ADVISORY 
          [ CITY OF BAYTOWN  			 NOTICE OF MEETING 		 		 		 		 		 		 		 		 			 			  			BAYTOWN POLICE ADVISORY COMMITTEE 			TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 23, 2021 			6:00 P.M. 			COUNCIL CHAMBER, CITY HALL 			2401 MARKET STREET, BAYTOWN, TEXAS 77520 			   			Due to the COVID 19 Disaster and the CDC's recommendation regarding social distancing measures, the public may not be allowed to be physically present at this meeting, as there is a limited amount of space when maintaining the required six feet of separation from others. The public will be able to participate through two-way communications.  			 			The public will be able to participate through two-way communications. For video conferencing, use the following website www.zoom.com, click on "join a meeting" on the top right hand corner, and input the following Meeting ID:816 2364 3738.  For telephone conferencing please use the following toll-free number: 1-888-788-0099, Meeting ID: 816 2364 3738.   			 			Any person, who is participating through video/teleconferencing and is interested in speaking on any item on the agenda, must submit his/her request to yhe City Clerk via citylcerk@baytown.org.  The request must include the speaker's name, address, and phone number that will be used if teleconferencing as well as the agenda item number.  The request must be received prior to the posted time of the meeting. 			 			The agenda packet is accessible to the public in both HTML and PDF formats at the following link: https://www.baytown.org/city-hall/city-clerk/agendas-minutes. For more information or questions concerning the teleconference, please contact the Office of the City Clerk at 281-420-6504. 			  			AGENDA 			   			CALL TO ORDER AND ANNOUNCEMENT OF QUORUM 			 		 	  ]
COMMITTEE MEETING, UM, TO ORDER TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 23RD, 2021 AT 6:00 PM I'M GONNA ASK THAT WHILE WE ARE ALL SITTING, UM, CLOSELY TOGETHER, THAT WE WOULD ALL MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE OUR MASK ON DURING OUR, UM, DURING THIS MEETING. 
          IT'S SO GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY. 
          I HOPE AND PRAY THAT EVERYONE IS SAFE AND SECURE AND THAT, UM, IF YOU HAD ANY DAMAGES TO YOUR HOMES, THAT THOSE THINGS ARE BEING, UM, TAKEN CARE OF. 
          IT'S JUST GOOD TO SEE YOU AND, UM, JUST GLAD EVERYBODY MADE IT, MADE IT THROUGH. 
          SO THAT'S DEFINITELY A, MY, MY PREACHER'S COMING OUT RIGHT NOW, . 
          THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINITELY A BLESSING TO SEE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU GUYS TONIGHT. 
           . 
          SO, UH, FIRST 
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ON OUR AGENDA, WE HAVE, UH, TRAINING, RECEIVE AN OVERVIEW REGARDING THE TEXAS CIVIL SERVICE RULES THANK COMMITTEE MEMBERS. 
          MY NAME IS JARRIS MAPES. 
          I'M ONE OF THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEYS HERE AT THE CITY, AND I'M SPECIFICALLY THE POLICE LEGAL ADVISOR. 
          IS THAT BETTER ? I, HOPEFULLY YOU HEARD WHAT I SAID. 
          MY NAME IS DARRIS MAPES, AND, UM, I AM THE POLICE LEGAL ADVISOR. 
          USUALLY. 
          I DON'T NEED A MICROPHONE. 
          I'M PLENTY LOUD, BUT, UM, UH, I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IN THIS CASE. 
          UH, WHAT I, WHAT I'M HOPING TO DO FOR YOU GUYS TODAY IS TO, UM, PRESENT SOME INFORMATION, UH, ON TEXAS CIVIL SERVICE. 
          I'M, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THESE LITTLE MARKS, LETTIE, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO GET THAT OFF. 
          I, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ASK ANGIE. 
          SHE'S MUCH SMARTER THAN I'M OKAY. 
          , SOME LITTLE SNAKEY LOOKING THINGS ON THE SCREEN. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I, BECAUSE I AM THE, THE POLICE LEGAL ADVISOR, OBVIOUSLY I DEAL WITH, UH, CIVIL SERVICE. 
          THANK YOU, UM, A GREAT DEAL. 
          AND SO I'M HAPPY TO, UH, ASSIST IN ANY WAY THAT I CAN IN SHARING THAT INFORMATION. 
          UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO START OUT WITH IS THE PURPOSE OF CIVIL SERVICE. 
          THIS IS ACTUALLY IN OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, UH, SECTION 1 43 0.001. 
          SO YOU'LL OFTEN HEAR, UH, MANY OF US REFER TO THIS AS SIMPLY 1 43, WHICH IS THE CHAPTER NUMBER. 
          UM, AND THE, THE PURPOSE OF THIS CHAPTER IS TO SECURE SUFFICIENT OR EFFICIENT FIRE AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS COMPOSED OF CAPABLE PERSONNEL WHO ARE FREE FROM POLITICAL INFANTS AND WHO HAVE PERMANENT EMPLOYMENT TENURE AS PUBLIC SERVANTS. 
          AND SO, BASICALLY, UH, THIS MAY NOT BE OBVIOUS IN OUR, OUR SORT OF STATE OF AFFAIRS THAT WE HAVE HERE, BUT OVER THE YEARS, THIS IS A VERY, VERY OLD STATUTE. 
          OVER THE YEARS, THERE HAVE BEEN MANY PROBLEMS. I MYSELF HAVE, UH, WORKED IN A JURISDICTION WHERE A NEIGHBORING JURISDICTION, THE MAYOR WENT IN, THEY DIDN'T HAVE 1 43 AND, AND FIRED THE ENTIRE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THEY HAD LIKE, ZERO OFFICERS TO WORK. 
          SO, I MEAN, THAT SORT OF THING HAPPENS OUT IN THE WORLD. 
          AND THIS IS THE TYPE OF STATUTE THAT HELPS PREVENT THE POLITICIZING OF A VERY IMPORTANT, UH, DEPARTMENT THAT WE HAVE. 
          THE, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THERE IS A, AN ENFORCEMENT OF THIS CHAPTER. 
          THE CODE PROVIDES FOR A PENALTY, UH, FOR ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THIS CHAPTER. 
          AND SO IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS A FIREFIGHTER OR A POLICE OFFICER COMMITS AN OFFENSE IF HE VIOLATES THIS CHAPTER, AN OFFENSE UNDER THE SECTION OR SECTION 1 43 0.009 IS A MISDEMEANOR PUNISHABLE BY A FINE, NOT LESS THAN 10 OR MORE THAN A HUNDRED, BUT IT DOES COME WITH A CONFINEMENT IN COUNTY JAIL FOR NOT MORE THAN 30 DAYS OR BOTH FINE AND CONFINEMENT. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY, UH, THE LEGISLATOR'S MEANT FOR US TO TAKE THIS, UH, SERIOUSLY. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT 1 43 CONTROLS IN A POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OR FIRE, OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT POLICE, BUT OBVIOUSLY WHEN FIRE DEPARTMENTS HAVE THIS, THIS APPLIES TO THEM AS WELL. 
          UH, 1 43 DOES GIVE SOME VERY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS ON HIRING, UH, ON TESTING PROCEDURES AND PROMOTIONS AND, UH, PROBATIONS, UH, EVERYTHING IN THAT WHOLE GAMUT OF WHAT AND WHEN TIME SCHEDULES NOTIFICATION, ALL THAT PROCESS IS CONTROLLED BY THIS STATUTE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A FAIR PROCESS. 
          SALARY IS ALSO TOUCHED ON, UM, ALL FIREFIGHTERS OR POLICE OFFICERS IN THE SAME CLASSIFICATION ARE ENTITLED TO THE SAME BASE SALARY. 
          THAT IS, UH, A VERY IMPORTANT STATUTE THAT HAS COME INTO PLAY. 
          UH, MANY ORGANIZATIONS HAVE ACCIDENTALLY VIOLATED THIS, AND, UH, SO EVERYBODY HAS TO BE VERY CAREFUL. 
          IT DOES, DOESN'T 
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TELL YOU HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO PAY OUR OFFICERS, BUT IT DOES SAY THAT IF THEY'RE IN THE SAME CLASSIFICATION, WITH THE ONE EXCEPTION OF THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS ASSIGNMENT AND INCENTIVE PAYS, THOSE CAN BE AN EXCEPTION. 
          SO INCENTIVE PAYS CAN BE LIKE, UH, CLASSIC, UH, THE, THE CLASSIFICATIONS OF A MASTERPIECE OFFICER, FOR INSTANCE, THAT CERTIFICATION A PERSON IS, IS ABLE TO GET A SORT OF SMALL INCREMENT AMOUNT BASED ON THAT. 
          UH, SOMETIMES, UH, THEY HAVE THINGS TO DO WITH EDUCATION. 
          UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, UH, UH, TENURE TYPE THINGS THAT, UH, THAT ARE OFFICERS ARE GONNA RECEIVE. 
          AND THERE ARE CERTAIN ALSO REQUIREMENTS REGARDING VACATION AND SICK LEAVE, HOW THAT'S ACCUMULATED. 
          WHAT AMOUNT GETS PAID OUT WHEN AN OFFICER LEAVES, ALL THAT IS CONTROLLED BY 1 43. 
          SO IT'S TAKEN OUTTA THE CITY'S HANDS. 
          WE JUST HAVE TO FOLLOW THE, WHAT THE LEGISLATORS HAVE WRITTEN OUT FOR US DISCIPLINE, THIS IS THE AREA THAT COMES UP A LOT FOR DISCUSSION. 
          UH, UNDER 1 43 0.051, IT DOES STATE THAT A RULE PRESCRIBING CAUSE FOR REMOVAL OR SUSPENSION OF A FIREFIGHTER OR POLICE OFFICER IS NOT VALID UNLESS IT INVOLVES ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING. 
          AND THEN THEY PROVIDE THIS LOVELY LIST OF ITEMS. THESE ARE THE ONLY THINGS THAT AN OFFICER CAN BE, UH, SUSPENDED OR DISCIPLINED FOR. 
          NOW, YOU'LL, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH AND READ 'EM ALL, BUT, UH, OBVIOUSLY THERE, MANY OF 'EM MAKE SENSE. 
          ACTS OF INCOMPETENCY, NEGLECT OF DUTY, THESE THINGS ALL MAKE SENSE. 
          BUT THE ONE THAT GETS USED THE MOST IS THE LAST ONE. 
          AND THAT IS THE VIOLATION OF AN APPLICABLE FIRE OR POLICE DEPARTMENT RULE OR SPECIAL ORDER THAT IS KIND OF A CATCHALL THAT ALLOWS POLICE DEPARTMENTS TO HAVE SOME SAY BECAUSE FOR INSTANCE, YOU DON'T SEE DISHONESTY ON THIS LIST. 
          BUT OBVIOUSLY, DISHONESTY IS, UM, A, A HUGE PROBLEM IN A POLICE OFFICER AND WOULD WANT WE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CHIEF WOULD WANT TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT, AND THEY CAN BY HAVING IT IN THE GENERAL ORDERS, THE LOCAL RULES, UH, THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          AND THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THAT LAST VIOLATION. 
          SO ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE, AN OFFICER OR A FIREFIGHTER MAY BE PLACED ON LEAVE, UH, PENDING AN INVESTIGATION. 
          HOWEVER, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THEY MUST BE PAID ON THIS ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A FELONY CRIMINAL INDICTMENT OR A MISDEMEANOR COMPLAINT WITH AN INFORMATION FILED IN COUNTY COURT. 
          SO IF SOMEBODY HAS COMMITTED SOME SORT OF A VIOLATION OF POLICY, BUT THEY ARE NOT BEING CHARGED CRIMINALLY, IF THEY'RE PUT ON LEAVE, IT HAS TO BE PAID LEAVE. 
          IT'S NOT SOMETHING THE CHIEF HAS A CHOICE ABOUT. 
          IT'S REQUIRED UNDER THIS LAW. 
          UM, THE CHIEF ALSO THOUGH, DOES HAVE THE OPTION OF PLACING AN OFFICER ON WHAT'S COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS NON-ENFORCEMENT DUTIES. 
          THIS WOULD REQUIRE THE, THE EMPLOYEE THAT'S IN TROUBLE TO STILL WORK, AND THEY, BUT THEY JUST AREN'T GONNA BE OUT PATROLLING THE STREETS. 
          THEY'RE GONNA BE INSIDE. 
          UM, USUALLY THESE, THIS IS TYPE OF PROCEDURE TAKES PLACE WHERE YOU'RE TAKING THEIR FIREARM AWAY FROM THEM, TAKING THEIR BADGE AWAY FROM THEM SO THAT THEY'RE NOT ENFORCING ANYTHING, BUT THEY'RE STILL AT WORK. 
          THEY MAY BE MAKING PHONE CALLS FOR THE, THE INVESTIGATIONS DEPARTMENT. 
          THEY'RE ASSISTING DETECTIVES. 
          THERE'S ALL SORTS OF WORK THAT CAN BE DONE IN-HOUSE THAT SOMETIMES THESE PEOPLE CAN DO WHILE THEY'RE ON THIS SORT OF LIGHT DUTY, OR IF YOU WANNA CALL IT A NON-ENFORCEMENT DUTY, UM, THAT WAY WE'RE NOT SENDING THEM HOME AND, AND PAYING THEM FOR JUST SETTING IT HOME, WHICH SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALLY CARE TO HEAR THAT. 
          RIGHT? WE DON'T WANNA, WE DON'T WANNA HEAR THOSE STORIES. 
          UM, AND SO THIS IS ANOTHER OPTION. 
          THE CHIEF HAS DISCIPLINARY SUSPENSIONS ONLY THE HEAD OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THAT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE THE CHIEF. 
          AND IN THIS CASE, OBVIOUSLY, WE DO HAVE AN INTERIM CHIEF. 
          UM, AND THAT, THAT IS THE ONLY PERSON THAT CAN DISCIPLINE AN OFFICER, CITY MANAGER CAN'T, YOU KNOW, A COUNCIL MEMBER CAN'T, NOBODY CAN DO IT EXCEPT THE CHIEF. 
          AND SO THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE MAY HAVE OPINIONS AND THEY MAY LIKE TO SEE THINGS HAPPEN, BUT ULTIMATELY THAT DECISION'S GONNA HAVE TO COME FROM THE CHIEF. 
          AND SO THE CHIEF MAY NOT COMPLAIN THOUGH OF AN ACT THAT OCCURRED EARLIER THAN THE 180 DAY. 
          THIS IS A HARD RULE. 
          SOMETIMES A LITTLE DIFFICULT. 
          UH, SIX MONTHS IS WHAT THAT IS. 
          AND IT SEEMS LIKE A REALLY LONG TIME, BUT YOU'D BE SURPRISED HOW SOMETIMES WE HEAR OF SOMETHING, UM, BECAUSE SOMETIMES CITIZENS DON'T, EITHER THEY DON'T COMPLAIN AT ALL, AND WE, WE FIND OUT ABOUT IT ACCIDENTALLY OR MAYBE THEY DECIDE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT. 
          BUT IT'S BEEN A YEAR. 
          UM, AND THAT HAPPENS, I'VE SEEN IT MYSELF, EXPERIENCED IT, WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GO FORWARD AND, AND PERHAPS SUSPEND AN OFFICER, BUT IT'S BEEN BEYOND 180 DAYS AND, AND WE'VE LOST OUR JURISDICTION. 
          WE NO LONGER HAVE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. 
          NOW, AGAIN, THERE'S AN EXCEPTION, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE WHEN IT INVOLVES CRIMINAL CHARGES, UM, 
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WE CAN KIND OF PUT WHAT WE WOULD CALL LIKE A HOLD ON THAT 180 DAY PERIOD. 
          IF WE HAVE CRIMINAL CHARGES PENDING, WE STILL HAVE TO TAKE ACTION. 
          THE, THE POLICE CHIEF WOULD NEED TO SEND A LETTER TO THE TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL SAYING, HEY, WE'VE GOT THIS OFFICER WHO IS SUSPECTED OF, OF COMMITTING THIS CRIME, UM, AND WE DON'T WANT TO INTERFERE WITH THAT CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION. 
          AND SO WE ARE, WE DON'T WANNA TAKE ACTION. 
          WE WANT YOU TO HOLD THAT 180 DAY REQUIREMENT FOR US SO THAT WE CAN WAIT AND SEE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THIS CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION. 
          AND THEN WE CAN TAKE OUR ACTION AFTER THAT, AFTER IT'S PASSED THE SIX MONTHS. 
          SO THAT CAN HAPPEN AS WELL. 
          UM, BUT THAT 180 DAY IS, IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. 
          CAN WE ASK, CAN WE, CAN WE INTERRUPT YOU? OH, PLEASE DO. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IS THERE A STATUTE OF LIMITATION ON, UM, TO FILE A COMPLAINT FOR SOMEONE TO FILE A COMPLAINT? TO FILE A COMPLAINT? UH, TECHNICALLY WE'RE GONNA FALL BACK TO THAT 180 DAY RULE. 
          OKAY? I MEAN, ANYBODY CAN ALWAYS FILE A COMPLAINT. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, SOME OF THIS IS GONNA DEPEND ON, UH, IF THERE'S CRIMINAL STUFF. 
          I MEAN, GOD FORBID THERE'S A, A SERIOUS CRIMINAL CHARGE THAT SOMEBODY FOR WHATEVER REASON WAS RELUCTANT TO COME FORWARD. 
          NOW THEY'VE DECIDED IT'S BEEN A YEAR, AND NOW THEY'RE GONNA COME FORWARD AND WE'VE GOT EVIDENCE AND WE CAN GO AFTER THIS PERSON CRIMINALLY. 
          UH, IN AN OLD JURISDICTION I WORKED IN, WE HAD A CASE LIKE THAT. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT WAS ANOTHER LITTLE EXCEPTION THAT THE, THE TEXAS LEGISLATORS GAVE US, IS THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS A CRIMINAL CHARGE INVOLVED, WE WERE ALLOWED TO START THE TOLLING OF THE 180 DAYS FROM THE DATE WE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT. 
          OKAY? SO THAT'S RARE, THOUGH. 
          THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN. 
          UM, BUT IT IS A POSSIBILITY, AND IT DOES GIVE THE CHIEF AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE ACTION BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A CRIMINAL CHARGE. 
          I MEAN, BY ALL MEANS, THE CHIEF WANTS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE SOME KIND OF ACTION, AND THAT IS AN EXCEPTION AND, AND SOMETHING THAT CAN HAPPEN. 
          SO THERE IS NO HARD AND FAST RULE. 
          UH, WE WILL, WE WILL ALWAYS TAKE THAT INFORMATION INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          BUT IF, IF WE'RE LOOKING TO MAYBE DISCIPLINE SOMEBODY AND THERE'S NOT ANY CRIMINAL CHARGES GOING ON, OR MAYBE IT'S BEEN LIKE FIVE YEARS AND THERE COULD HAVE BEEN CRIMINAL CHARGES, BUT EVEN THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS ON THAT HAS PASSED, WELL THEN WE CAN'T TAKE ANY ACTION ON IT. 
          OKAY? UM, AND NOTE THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SUSPENSION, WHICH IS TIME OFF, UH, THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF TIME THAT A CHIEF CAN GIVE TO AN EMPLOYEE IS 15 DAYS, 15 CALENDAR DAYS, OR THEY CAN GIVE WHAT'S REFERRED TO AS AN INDEFINITE SUSPENSION. 
          YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THIS LANGUAGE, THIS PHRASE USED BEFORE, UH, IT CONFUSES A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          'CAUSE IT, IT'S NOT NORMAL. 
          YOU KNOW, IF YOU WORK IN THE CORPORATE PRIVATE WORLD, THAT'S NOT THE KIND OF LANGUAGE THAT YOU USE. 
          YOU SAY YOU FIRED SOMEBODY OR YOU TERMINATED SOMEBODY. 
          BUT HERE IN 1 43 WORLD, WE SAY INDEFINITE SUSPENSION. 
          AND PART OF THAT LOGIC IS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WHILE THE CHIEF MAY INDEFINITELY SUSPEND THEM, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO APPEAL. 
          AND IT'S NOT REALLY DONE UNTIL THAT APPEAL IS DONE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THEN IT'S, IT'S TRULY PERMANENT AT THAT POINT. 
          UM, AND SO AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT PHRASE, BECAUSE YOU WILL HEAR THAT. 
          AND THIS ALL COMES STRICTLY FROM 1 43, SO YOU'LL KNOW ABOUT THAT. 
          NOW, UM, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE ALSO, WHEN IT COMES TO THE PROCESS INVOLVED IN GIVING SOMEBODY TIME OFF OR INDEFINITELY SUSPENDING THEM, IS VERY, VERY SPECIFIC. 
          UH, GOSH, THE RULES ARE, ARE SO STRICT AND THERE IS NO MERCY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IN ANY KIND OF, I COULD FILE A LAWSUIT IN A COURT OF LAW AND MAKE SOME MISTAKES, AND I CAN GO BACK LATER AND ASK THE JUDGE TO ALLOW ME TO AMEND MY PETITION, RIGHT? MY LAWSUIT, THERE IS NO AMENDING IN THIS WORLD. 
          IF THE CHIEF DOES THIS, DOES A DOCUMENT UP AND, AND DEFINITELY SUSPENDED SOMEONE, FOR INSTANCE, AND HE LEFT OUT A BIG HUNK OF THE LAW OR SOMETHING THAT'S REQUIRED, THEN IT'S DONE. 
          I MEAN, IT'S OVER. 
          UM, THERE IS NO GOING BACK AND AMENDING. 
          SO IT'S SO VITAL. 
          IT PUTS A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THE CHIEF AND HIS STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS DONE RIGHT. 
          UH, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S DONE RIGHT THE FIRST TIME BECAUSE WE DON'T GET TO GO BACK. 
          SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE ABOUT THAT AS WELL. 
          UH, DEMOTIONS ARE KIND OF A LITTLE FUNNY AREA. 
          EVEN WITH DEMOTIONS. 
          THE CHIEF DOESN'T REALLY GET TO FULLY DECIDE ON HIS OWN. 
          IF HE WANTS TO DEMOTE SOMEBODY, HE GETS TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION, THE THREE PANEL BOARD, UM, THAT SETS THAT SERVES AS THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION. 
          HE MAKES THAT RECOMMENDATION TO THEM, AND THEY DETERMINE AS A BOARD WHETHER OR NOT THEY THINK THERE'S PROBABLE CAUSE TO GO FORWARD ON THAT DEMOTION. 
          AND, UM, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THEY WILL, UH, NOTIFY THE EMPLOYEE THAT YOU'RE GONNA COME IN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HEARING, 
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UH, AND, AND GO OVER ALL THIS AND, AND POSSIBLY DEMOTE YOU. 
          UH, SO THAT IS THE, THE CHIEF AGAIN RECOMMENDS, BUT THE BOARD IS THE ONE, THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION IS THE ONE THAT MAKES THE ULTIMATE DECISION ON THAT. 
          DO WE HAVE A CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION IN BAYTOWN? YES. 
          YES. 
          ALL CIVIL SERVICE CITIES ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A SITTING COMMISSION, AND THERE'S A PROCESS FOR GETTING THOSE PEOPLE APPOINTED AND THEY SERVE FOR CERTAIN AMOUNTS OF TIME, AND THERE'S A PROCESS TO GET THEM REMOVED. 
          YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER, UH, SORT OF COMMISSION LIKE THAT, IF, IF THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH ONE OR IF SOMEBODY GETS SICK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE GOT ALL THESE PROCEDURES IN PLACE THAT ALL FALL UNDER THE 1 43 LAW THAT ALLOW US, AND WE DO, WE HAVE OUR THREE PERSON COMMISSION, UH, FOR THE CITY OF BAYTOWN. 
          AND THEY APPROVE, UH, THEY, THEY HEAR HEARINGS AND THEY, THEY DO THIS IF IT COMES UP, WHICH IS KIND OF RARE. 
          UH, BUT THEY ALSO APPROVE ALL THE GENERAL ORDERS, UH, FOR THE DEPARTMENTS. 
          THEY HAVE TO, AND THEY'RE OVER FIRE AND POLICE. 
          UM, AND SO THEY, THEY HAVE, UH, VARIOUS DUTIES THAT FALL TO THEM. 
          ARE THEY VOLUNTEERS OR ARE THEY CITY EMPLOYEES? THEY ARE VOLUNTEERS. 
          UH, THEY ARE APPOINTED, BUT THEY ARE VOLUNTEERS. 
          THEY ARE NOT PAID AND THEY DO NOT WORK FOR THE CITY. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ALWAYS SOME ANOTHER POSITION THAT'S CALLED THE CIVIL SERVICE DIRECTOR, UH, THAT'S A PERSON THAT ASSISTS THAT BOARD. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE ANY VOTING POWER, BUT THEY ASSIST THEM IN SETTING UP THEIR MEETINGS. 
          'CAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ASK LEDDY, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK IN ALL THIS, RIGHT? UM, AND THEY, THAT, THAT PERSON DOES THAT. 
          AND MOST COMMON IN CITIES, THE CIVIL SERVICE DIRECTOR IS THE, THE, UH, HR DIRECTOR THAT IS A STAFF MEMBER. 
          UM, AND THAT IS THE CASE IN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN. 
          UM, OUR HR DIRECTOR IS OUR CIVIL SERVICE DIRECTOR. 
          AND SO SHE'S THE ONE THAT SETS THOSE, THOSE MEETINGS UP AND, YOU KNOW, CALLS THE PEOPLE AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE AVAILABLE FOR THE MEETINGS AND DRAFTS THE AGENDAS AND DOES A LOT OF THE HARD WORK THAT GOES KIND OF BEHIND THE SCENES ON THAT. 
          BUT SHE DOES NOT HAVE VOTING POWER. 
          SHE'S NOT ACTUALLY A COMMISSION MEMBER. 
          OKAY? THERE IS SOME OTHER LAW THAT DOES IMPACT WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS LIKE DISCIPLINE AND INVESTIGATIONS. 
          AND THAT IS THE, UH, TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SIX 14. 
          UM, IT REQUIRES THAT ANY COMPLAINT THAT IS FILED AGAINST AN OFFICER OR A FIREFIGHTER MUST BE IN WRITING AND SIGNED BY THE PERSON MAKING THE COMPLAINT. 
          RIGHT? THIS COMPLAINT MUST BE PROVIDED TO THE OFFICER WITHIN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          NOW, UH, THAT GETS TRICKY SOMETIMES TOO, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE ARE TIMES, FOR INSTANCE, WHEN WE'VE HAD ANONYMOUS COMPLAINTS, AND WE DON'T JUST IGNORE THOSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S OUR OBLIGATION TO MAKE SURE THE POLICE HAVE TO POLICE THE POLICE, UH, AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. 
          SO, UH, WE MIGHT GET AN ANONYMOUS COMPLAINT. 
          AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, AN INVESTIGATION IS STILL CONDUCTED. 
          BUT THAT, UH, RESPONSIBILITY OF BEING THE, WHAT WE CALL THE COMPLAINANT NOW GOES USUALLY TO THE CHIEF. 
          UH, THAT'S THE WAY MOST JURISDICTIONS DO IT. 
          UH, IF WE GOT SOME KIND OF PHONE CALL TOMORROW THAT SAID SOMETHING AWFUL HAPPENED, BUT I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU WHO I AM. 
          WE, WE WON'T JUST IGNORE IT, OBVIOUSLY, WE WILL LOOK INTO IT AND IF NECESSARY, THE CHIEF CAN BE THE COMPLAINANT. 
          AND THAT ACTUALLY HAS HAPPENED ON A NUMBER OF OUR HIGH PROFILE CASES. 
          YOU WOULD SAY, WHEN PEOPLE GO OUT AND THEY GO IN THE MEDIA AND THEY DO ALL THIS KINDA STUFF, BUT THEY'VE NEVER COME TO US AND FILED A COMPLAINT. 
          AND SO WE HAVE TO TAKE IT UPON OURSELVES. 
          WE DON'T JUST IGNORE THOSE THINGS. 
          THE CHIEF HAS HAD TO IN THE PAST, UH, IN THE PAST, OBVIOUSLY IT WAS CHIEF DOUGHERTY, UH, AND HE HAS HAD TO BE THE COMPLAINANT AND HE WILL SIGN THAT DOCUMENT, UH, MAKING HIMSELF THE COMPLAINANT. 
          BUT IT DOES, THEY ALWAYS HAS TO BE A DOCUMENT AND IT ALWAYS HAS TO HAVE A SIGNATURE. 
          AND CURRENTLY THE ONLY WAY TO, TO FILE A COMPLAINT IS TO ACTUALLY COME INTO THE STATION, CORRECT? UH, NO, SIR. 
          ACTUALLY THERE IS A WAY TO DO THAT ONLINE. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU CAN DO THAT ONLINE. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN, I WOULD SAY ANYTIME YOU'RE DEALING WITH A COMPLAINT, ONE WOULD, WOULD ALWAYS HOPE THAT WE COULD MAYBE GET SOME CONTACT IN PERSON. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA GET A LOT MORE INFORMATION THAT WE, BUT SURE, THERE'VE BEEN TIMES WHERE PEOPLE, FOR WHATEVER REASON, MAYBE BEYOND THEIR CHOICE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE HOME BOUND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, AND THEY'D HAD THE POLICE AT THEIR HOUSE AND THEY WANNA MAKE SOME KIND OF COMPLAINT, WE WOULD NOT EXPECT THEM TO DO THAT. 
          THEY CAN DO THAT ONLINE. 
          BUT ALSO, IF SOMEBODY FEELS UNCOMFORTABLE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN PEOPLE, UH, FEEL THAT, BECAUSE THIS ONE, I WANNA MAKE A COMPLETE AGAINST A POLICE OFFICER. 
          I DON'T WANT ALL THE POLICE OFFICERS KNOWING I'M DOING THIS. 
          THEY CAN DO THAT ONLINE. 
          SO THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          ALRIGHT, SO APPEALS, UH, ONCE AN OFFICER HAS BEEN GIVEN TIME OFF THROUGH A SUSPENSION OR INDEFINITELY SUSPENDED, UH, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO AN APPEAL. 
          AND THE APPEAL PROCESS IS ALSO QUITE COMPLICATED. 
          UH, BUT BASICALLY THEY HAVE TO FILE A WRITTEN APPEAL WITH THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          UH, THEY, THAT'S A, THAT'S A HARD DEADLINE. 
          THEY HAVE TO MAKE THAT 10 DAYS, IF THEY TRY FILING ON THE 11TH DAY, THEY'VE, THEY'VE, WE NO LONGER HAVE JURISDICTION. 
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UM, AND SO THE, UM, THE OFFICER MAY CHOOSE THOUGH, ONCE THEY FILE THEIR APPEAL, THEY CAN CHOOSE TO EITHER HAVE THEIR HEARING HEARD IN FRONT OF THIS THREE PERSON COMMISSION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, OR THEY CAN GO TO WHAT'S CALLED A THIRD PARTY HEARING EXAMINER. 
          AND, UH, WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THERE'S A BIG PROCESS THAT'S INVOLVED. 
          BUT, UH, WE DO HAVE, UM, UH, A COUPLE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE, WE GO TO AND GET A LIST OF, OF OUR POSSIBLE ARBITRATORS. 
          AND THEN, LIKE, IF IT'S A POLICE DEPARTMENT CASE, I'LL BE INVOLVED. 
          AND SO I WOULD GET WITH THE OPPOSING ATTORNEY, WHOEVER'S REPRESENTING THE EMPLOYEE, AND WE WOULD COME TO SOME AGREEMENT ON WHICH ARBITRATOR WE'RE GONNA NARROW IT DOWN TO. 
          AND WE'LL GO THROUGH ALL THIS PROCESS. 
          BUT EITHER WAY, THIS EMPLOYEE IS GONNA GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO BEFORE, UH, EITHER A HEARING EXAMINER OR THE COMMISSION, UH, TO MAKE THEIR CASE AND TELL THEIR KIND OF SIDE OF THE STORY, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY. 
          IS THE APPEAL PUBLIC OR NO? IT IS PUBLIC. 
          YES, IT IS. 
          MOST PEOPLE AREN'T VERY INTERESTED IN THEM, BUT OCCASIONALLY, OCCASIONALLY, UH, THEY ARE. 
          AND OCCASIONALLY, I MEAN, I'VE PERSONALLY, I'VE CONDUCTED A LOT OF THESE HEARINGS MYSELF AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF A CITY JURISDICTION. 
          AND, UH, EVERY NOW AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A PRESS MEMBER SHOW UP BECAUSE THEY'VE HEARD ABOUT IT. 
          OR, UM, OR MAYBE SOME PEOPLE THAT GOT IMPACTED, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, UH, FAMILY OF THE, THE, A PERSON INVOLVED A CITIZEN OR MAYBE FAMILY MEMBER OF THE OFFICER. 
          UH, SO YEAH, THEY, PEOPLE CAN COME AND THEY CAN WATCH IF THEY WANT. 
          UM, THAT IS WHERE, WHERE'S THE TYPICAL POSTING OF, OF THESE, OF THESE, UH, ARBITRATION MEETINGS AND, AND ALL THAT? WELL, THAT, THAT, I HAVE TO SAY, I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO PERHAPS LEDDY OR, OR MS. HORNER, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE HOW IT'S DONE IN THIS JURISDICTION. 
          I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A YEAR AND A HALF, BUT WE'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE, WELL, OR UNFORTUNATE, BECAUSE OF COVID O AND THINGS GOING ON IN THE WORLD. 
          WE'VE HAD A LOT OF THINGS POSTPONED, BUT I HAVE NOT HAD TO CONDUCT A HEARING HERE, SO I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THAT. 
          UM, I KNOW IN SOME JURISDICTIONS THEY POST AT THE SAME LOCATION AS THEY DO ALL THE OTHER MEETINGS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAPPENS. 
          HERE IT IS, UH, THEIR DECISION ON, UH, WHERE THEY WOULD FIND THAT INFORMATION. 
          BUT OBVIOUSLY IF, IF THERE'S A PARTICULAR CASE, UH, FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, THE PRESS, IF THE PRESS IS AWARE OF A PARTICULAR CASE, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY EASY TO GET THAT INFORMATION. 
          UM, BUT, UH, AS FAR AS THEM LOCATING THE POSTING THAT I'M NOT SURE ABOUT, WE COULD, WE COULD PROBABLY FOLLOW UP WITH THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU. 
          I BELIEVE MOST OF 'EM ARE IN A COURT OF RECORD. 
          SO LIKE OUR MUNICIPAL COURT IS A COURT OF RECORD, SO I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE THEY, THE ONES IN THE PAST, THAT'S WHERE THEY'VE FOUND, OKAY, HEAR YOUR MIC'S NOT ON, IF IT'S A HEARING THAT COMES TO THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION, THEN IT WILL BE POSTED JUST LIKE ANY OTHER MEETING, JUST LIKE YOUR BPAC MEETING, IF THEY CHOOSE TO GO HAVE A HEARING THROUGH THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION PROCESS. 
          SO, THANK YOU. 
          DID I, DID I MISS ANYTHING, KAREN? NO, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, SO, UH, ONE NOTE ABOUT THE APPEAL PROCESS. 
          UH, ANY APPEAL HEARING THAT'S CONDUCTED. 
          THE CHIEF IS RESTRICTED TO HIS ORIGINAL WRITTEN STATEMENT. 
          I, I MENTIONED THIS A MINUTE AGO. 
          NO AMENDMENTS. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU GET TO THE HEARING DATE AND YOU REALIZE, WOW, WE LEFT OFF THIS ONE SECTION OF THE LAW. 
          I MEAN, IT'S HAPPENED OUT THERE. 
          PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE CUTTING AND PASTING, RIGHT? YOU DON'T USUALLY REINVENT THE WHEEL EVERY TIME YOU HAVE ONE OF THESE DOCUMENTS. 
          YOU PULL A LOT OF THE LAW TOGETHER FROM PREVIOUS AND THINGS HAPPEN. 
          MISTAKES HAVE BEEN MADE, UM, AND THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY TO AMEND. 
          WE JUST WE'RE STUCK WITH WHAT WE GOT. 
          SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT, AGAIN, THAT'S A BIG RESPONSIBILITY ON THE CHIEF THEN, ALRIGHT, SO THE RESULTS FROM THE APPEAL, THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSIONER OR THE HEARING EXAMINER MAY CAUSE THE OFFICER TO BE PERMANENTLY DISMISSED FROM THE DEPARTMENT. 
          IF, IF THERE WAS AN INDEFINITE SUSPENSION AND, AND THEY WANT TO UPHOLD THAT, THEY ARE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          THEY COULD CHANGE IT TO A TEMPORARY SUSPENSION, RIGHT? OR THEY COULD RESTORE THE PERSON'S FORMAL POSITION OR STATUS IN THE DEPARTMENT'S CLASSIFIED SERVICE. 
          UM, AND IF THE HEARING EXAMINER DETERMINES THAT THE PERIOD OF DISCIPLINE SUSPENSION SHOULD BE REDUCED, HE OR SHE MAY ORDER A REDUCTION IN THE PERIOD OF SUSPENSION. 
          SO, LIKE, UH, IF THE CHIEF WERE TO GIVE A 15 DAY AND THE ARBITRATOR ON THEIR OWN DECIDED, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT REALLY WARRANTS 15 DAYS. 
          I THINK IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A TWO DAY SUSPENSION. 
          THEY CAN DO THAT. 
          UM, AND THEY CAN PUT IT BACK TO TWO DAYS, WHICH MEANS THAT THAT EMPLOYEE WOULD GET THEIR, THEIR BACK PAY FROM THE TIME THAT THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN OFF, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S ALL COMING FROM EITHER THE COMMISSION OR THE HEARING EXAMINER. 
          UH, RECORDS, RECORDS ARE IMPORTANT UNDER 1 43 BECAUSE THEY, THERE'S TWO CATEGORIES, UM, AND THAT IS, THERE'S A, UH, A FILE THAT'S KEPT, THAT'S USUALLY REFERRED TO AS THE PERSONNEL FILE, BUT BECAUSE OF WHERE IT FALLS 
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IN THE CHAPTER ONE FORTY THREE, WE CALL IT THE A FILE, UH, BECAUSE THAT SIGNIFIES THE SECTION OF THE STATUTE THAT IT FALLS UNDER THE A FILE AND IS, UH, KEPT WITH THE CIVIL SERVICE DIRECTOR. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER FILE, WHICH WE REFER TO AS A CONFIDENTIAL FILE, ALSO CALLED THE G FILE, AGAIN, REFERENCING TO THE STATUTE. 
          UH, AND SOME PEOPLE ALSO CALL IT THE CHIEF'S FILE BECAUSE THE PURPOSE OF IT WAS TO GIVE THE CHIEF AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO KEEP TRACK OF STUFF, RIGHT? TO BE ABLE TO KEEP TRACK OF, UH, THIS OFFICER, FOR INSTANCE, MAY NOT HAVE GOT TIME OFF, BUT HE DID MAKE MISTAKES. 
          HE DID VIOLATE A POLICY, IT JUST WASN'T, YOU KNOW, A MAJOR VIOLATION. 
          SO HE GOT A LETTER OF REPRIMAND, LET'S SAY THAT IS NOT TIME OFF, THAT'S GONNA GO INTO THE CONFIDENTIAL FILE AS DEEMED BY THE STATUTE. 
          IF AN OFFICER GETS ANY TIME OFF, WHETHER IT BE ONE DAY OR INDEFINITE SUSPENSION, THEN THAT ALL GOES TO THE A FILE, WHICH IS WITH THE CIVIL SERVICE DIRECTOR. 
          AND THAT IS ALL PUBLIC INFORMATION. 
          IF ANYONE DOES AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST FOR THAT FILE, THEY WILL GET THAT. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE FEW EXCEPTIONS. 
          IF THERE'S A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER IN THERE OR YOU KNOW, A A A, A VICTIM OF A SEX CRIME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEIR NAME WOULD BE TAKEN OUT. 
          THOSE LITTLE BASIC THINGS, YES. 
          BUT THE, THE INVESTIGATION IS REVEALED TO THE PUBLIC. 
          THEY HAVE IT AVAILABLE TO THEM IN THE CHIEF'S FILE. 
          HOWEVER, THAT IS CONSIDERED CONFIDENTIAL AND WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO RELEASE THAT AT ALL. 
          IN FACT, WE CANNOT EVEN RELEASE THAT TO THE OFFICER. 
          AND THAT'S A HARD ONE SOMETIMES FOR THE OFFICER, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, IT'S ABOUT ME, IT'S MY INFORMATION. 
          I CAN'T HAVE A COPY. 
          THEY WOULD'VE GOTTEN A COPY WHEN THEY WERE, LET'S SAY THEY GOT A LETTER OF REPRIMAND, THEY GET A COPY OF THAT LETTER OF REPRIMAND WHEN THAT HAPPENS. 
          BUT IF THREE YEARS FROM NOW THEY WANT A COPY OF IT, THEY, THEY CAN'T HAVE IT, WE CAN'T RELEASE IT. 
          THE LAW IS VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT IT. 
          THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE HAS GIVEN US A LOT OF GUIDANCE OVER THE YEARS ON HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT. 
          AND SO THAT CONFIDENTIAL FILE IS REALLY MEANT TO, UH, HELP PROTECT THE OFFICER. 
          UM, WHEN IT'S EGREGIOUS AND SOMEBODY GETS TIME OFF, BY ALL MEANS IT'S PUBLIC AND PEOPLE CAN KNOW ABOUT IT. 
          BUT SOMETIMES THERE'S ALSO CASES WHERE THERE'S INVESTIGATIONS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WAS ALLEGED, BUT IT TURNED OUT NOT TO BE TRUE. 
          RIGHT? WE HAVE INVESTIGATIONS LIKE THAT, THOSE ARE GONNA STAY IN THE CONFIDENTIAL FILE AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING ELSE. 
          UH, IF AN INVESTIGATION IS IN THE MIDDLE, LIKE LET'S SAY TODAY WE GET A COMPLAINT ON SOMEBODY AND WE START AN INVESTIGATION UNTIL IT'S COMPLETED AND YOU KNOW, THAT OFFICER GETS TIME OFF, IT'S STILL IN THE CONFIDENTIAL STATUS UNTIL IT'S DONE. 
          NOW, ONCE THAT PERSON, ASSUMING THAT THAT PERSON WANTS TO GET TIME OFF, THEN IT, THAT ALL, THAT WHOLE FILE GETS MOVED FROM THE CONFIDENTIAL FILE AND GOES OVER TO THE PUBLIC FILE. 
          CAN THE G FILE BE SUBPOENAED IN EITHER A CIVIL OR A, UH, CRIMINAL CASE? UM, THE, IT CAN BE SUBPOENAED, IT'S, UH, THERE'S SOME PROTECTIONS UNDER THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF OPTIONS AND WE DO HAVE THAT COME UP SOMETIMES. 
          UM, AND OBVIOUSLY A FILE, NOT A PROBLEM, BUT THE CONFIDENTIAL G FILE, WE USUALLY WILL FILE THE MOTION TO QUASH THE SUBPOENA BECAUSE UNDER THE LAW WE ARE OBLIGATED TO PROTECT THOSE DOCUMENTS OR, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, WE WOULD BE VIOLATING THE LAW OURSELVES. 
          AND SO WE WILL DO THAT. 
          NOW, A JUDGE CAN DO WHAT THEY CALL AN IN-CAMERA REVIEW, WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE NOT GIVING IT TO THE PROSECUTOR OR THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY. 
          THE JUDGE, UH, WILL ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS AND SAY, BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY BRADY VIOLATIONS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          UH, BRADY'S VIOLATIONS HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING THAT COULD, COULD POSSIBLY EXONERATE A, A A, A CRIMINAL DEFENDANT. 
          RIGHT? UM, AND SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN THERE, LIKE, LET'S SAY, HONESTLY SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS THE OFFICER LIED AND CALLED IN SICK ONE DAY, BUT SOMEBODY SAW HIM AT THE, AT THE FAIR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, OKAY, THAT'S A LIE. 
          BUT IT WASN'T A, IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT HE'S PROBABLY GONNA GET FIRED OVER. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T THINK, IT'S NOT MY DECISION, BUT LET'S SAY HE DIDN'T, UM, THEN IT'S GONNA BE IN THERE AND IS THAT A BRADY VIOLATION? TRUTHFULNESS IS A BRADY THING, SO THE JUDGE IS MOST LIKELY GONNA SAY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO RELEASE THIS PART OF IT. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED, BUT EVEN THEN WE HAVE A PROTECTIVE ORDER AGAINST THAT SO THAT IT GOES TO THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY THAT IF HE FEELS HE NEEDS TO USE THAT, IT'S PROTECTED THOUGH, THAT HE CAN'T GO PASSING IT OUT TO THE PRESS PRESS. 
          HE CAN'T GO SHARE IT WITH HIS FRIENDS AND FAMILY. 
          IT'S, IT'S PROTECTED. 
          IT'S FOR THAT PURPOSE ONLY. 
          SO THERE'S STILL SOME PROTECTIONS BUILT IN, BUT THAT, THAT BRADY, THAT FEDERAL CONSTITUTIONAL, UM, ASPECT IS ALWAYS GONNA TRUMP OUR STATE LAW. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL, THAT'S IT. 
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THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. 
          I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY. 
          SO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS A POLICY CODE, CODE OF ETHICS. 
          IS THAT MADE PUBLIC? I, I HAVEN'T LOOKED FOR IT PERSONALLY, BUT I MEAN, IS IT A, IS IT PUBLICLY AVAILABLE? THE CITY WEBSITE? YES. 
          WE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A CODE OF ETHICS THAT'S, THAT'S PUT OUT AND, UM, JUST LIKE SHE WAS REFERENCING THE COMPLAINT PROCEDURE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S ELECTRONIC. 
          IT'S ALSO AVAILABLE ON THE WEB THAT'S ON THERE FOR MAKING, YOU CAN MAKE A COMPLAINT AND YOU CAN MAKE A COMPLIMENT OF AN OFFICER AT THE SAME TIME. 
          UH, YOU JUST CHOOSE WHICH ONE IT IS. 
          UH, WHEN WE RECEIVE THAT, THEN THAT'S SENT OVER TO OUR INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY BASIS FOR THE COMPLAINT. 
          CHIEF, WHEN DID THAT, WHEN DID THAT, UM, THAT TAKE EFFECT? THE, UH, COMPLAINT BEING ABLE TO MAKE A COMPLAINT OR A COMPLIMENT ONLINE? WAS THAT RECENTLY? NO, SIR. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN AT LEAST FOUR YEARS NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND HOW I KNOW THAT IS, IS, UH, THAT INFORMATION, WHAT WE DO IS WE, I WAS THE ONE WHO WOULD COME TO, FOR ANY OF THE GENERIC POLICE@BAYTOWN.ORG MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S LIKE OUR GENERIC EMAIL. 
          BUT THIS COMPLAINT PROCEDURE, IT WOULD COME TO SOMEBODY. 
          SO WE MADE SURE IT JUST DIDN'T GO AND NOBODY LOOKED AT IT. 
          UH, SO FOR AT LEAST THE LAST FOUR YEARS, IT'S BEEN COMING TO ME, AND THEN I WOULD FORWARD THAT TO THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION ALONG WITH THE COMMANDER OF WHATEVER BUREAU THIS COMPLAINT WAS BASED ON. 
          SO IF IT WAS AN EMPLOYEE IN A DIFFERENT BUREAU, THEIR COMMANDER, SO THAT WAY THEIR SUPERVISORS KNEW. 
          SO IF THEY NEEDED TO START AN INTERNAL INVESTIGATION ALONG WITH INTERNAL AFFAIRS, THAT'S GREAT. 
          AND THAT BRINGS UP A POINT THAT I DIDN'T CLARIFY IN MY PRESENTATION, IS THAT PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT CIVIL SERVICE DOES NOT APPLY TO CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES. 
          UM, SO WHEN HE GETS A COMPLAINT, HE TALKED ABOUT THE COMPLAINT GOING, IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, SAY SOMEBODY IN PATROL OR IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, UH, SOMEBODY AT THE FRONT DESK THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY FELT LIKE THEY WEREN'T, YOU KNOW, NICE TO THEM THAT DAY. 
          UM, THAT IS STILL A COMPLAINT. 
          WE'RE STILL GONNA INVESTIGATE IT, BUT ALL OF THESE 1 43 RULES DON'T APPLY. 
          WE JUST HAVE THE NORMAL, UH, EMPLOYMENT LAW THAT APPLIES FOR ANY GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          SINCE WE'RE CHANGING OVER POLICE CHIEFS, UM, DOES THE G FILE MOVE FROM ONE CHIEF TO THE NEXT? YES, IT DOES. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          AND WE HAVE SEVERAL HIGH PROFILE NEWS. 
          BAYTOWN BEEN ON THE NEWS THE PAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS, AND I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE ALL IN G FILES BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY KIND OF RESOLUTIONS EXCEPT TO ONE OF THEM. 
          UM, YES. 
          IF THEY'RE, AND I THINK I KNOW THE ONE OF WHAT YOU SPEAK, WE DID HAVE NO, THERE'S TWO. 
          OKAY. 
          OR THREE . 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, NO, I MEAN, THE INDEFINITE SUSPENSION, UH, THAT WAS CLEARLY, THAT'S BEEN MOVED TO THE A FILE AND WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF PEOPLE REQUEST THAT INFORMATION AND THEY HAVE RECEIVED IT. 
          WELL, THAT WOULD BE OFFICER BROWN, RIGHT? YES, YES, MA'AM. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW I'M TALKING ABOUT, UM, ANY OTHERS, YOU KNOW, THE MURDER AND, AND THE INCIDENT AT HEB, UH, ANY PENDING INVESTIGATION IS ALWAYS GONNA BE PROTECTED UNDER THE LAW, BUT THOSE OFFICERS ARE STILL WORKING IN FULL PAY, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT GONNA MATTER. 
          THEY HAVEN'T EVEN SUSPEND IF THEY'RE NOT INDEFINITELY SUSPEND, I, I APOLOGIZE MM-HMM . 
          UH, IF THEY'RE NOT INDEFINITELY SUSPENDED, UH, THEY ARE GONNA BE ON THE PAYROLL WITH, WITH VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS. 
          UM, AND EVEN IF THEY'RE WORKING, IT'S STILL A PENDING AS LONG AS IT STAYS PENDING, UH, UNTIL IT'S RESOLVED. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I, I'M FAMILIAR OBVIOUSLY WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT MM-HMM . 
          AND, UM, I DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA GO INTO ANY DETAILS BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL PENDING, BUT JUST KNOW THAT THERE'S SO MANY VARIABLES INVOLVED AND, UH, THIS WHOLE, THE COURT JUSTICE SYSTEM BEING SHUT DOWN HAS, HAS BEEN TRAGIC. 
          UH, AND EVEN BEFORE THEN, EVEN BEFORE THAT HAPPENED, E EVEN BEFORE THEN, WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE THE DA'S OFFICE HAD THINGS ON THEIR DESK THAT THEY HAD NOT ADDRESSED. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF OUTTA OUR HANDS AS WELL. 
          THEY'VE ALL BEEN, THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED. 
          WE JUST HAVE, I MEAN, THE OFFICER HASN'T BEEN SUSPENDED, AND ACCORDING TO THE THINGS YOU JUST READ US SHOULD HAVE BEEN SUSPENDED DUE TO SOME OF THE STATUTES THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST THERE'S CRIMINAL THOUGH. 
          THEY'RE, YEAH, THEY'RE CRIMINAL, SO THEREFORE THEY SHOULD BE SUSPENDED. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY HAVEN'T, YEAH. 
          WELL, IT'S CRIMINALS, INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE BASING THIS ON. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND SO, I MEAN, I'M, I'M NOT SAYING, I'M NOT GONNA ATTEST TO ANYBODY'S SPECIFIC CASE, BUT JUST TO, BUT I JUST KNOW THAT IN GENERAL, UNTIL THEY'VE BEEN CONVICTED, THAT'S PENDING AS WELL. 
          SO AN INDICTMENT DOESN'T DO IT. 
          IT HAS TO BE AN INDICTMENT CAN GET SOME ACTION. 
          WELL, IT DID, UH, DEPENDING ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, SO FROM, FROM THE TOP DOWN, WE'VE GOT STATE LEGISLATURE THAT COVERS, UH, THE 1 43, AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE ACTION OF THE 
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DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND OR GRAND JURY AND OR COURT, THE OUTCOME OF A ACTUAL COURT CASE THAT WILL THEN DETERMINE SOME OF THESE, JUST SO THAT IT'S NOT A KNEE-JERK REACTION. 
          WE'RE WAITING ON, WE'RE WAITING ON THE RIGHT CHECK BOXES TO BE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE IT INVOLVED CRIMINAL CHARGES. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE ARE MANY INCIDENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, AN OFFICER MAY MISBEHAVE AND DO OTHER THINGS THAT HE SHOULD NOT DO. 
          HE'S VIOLATED POLICY, BUT THERE'S NOT CRIMINAL CHARGES PENDING, THEN THAT ACTION CAN BE TAKEN MUCH QUICKER. 
          AND IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT RESPONSE. 
          SO WE'RE JUST, ULTIMATELY IT'S DUE PRO, THE COMPLETION OF DUE PROCESS. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO EVERYBODY? NO. 
          SO I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          HOW OFTEN DOES, DOES, DOES THE CIVIL SERVICE, UH, COMMITTEE ONLY MEET WITH THE CHIEF WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS? OR IS THERE A ONGOING DIALOGUE? YEAH, HE DOESN'T REALLY SO MUCH MEET WITH THE CHIEF. 
          UH, THEY HAVE AN AN A MEETING, AN OPEN MEETING, AND THE CHIEF MAY ATTEND. 
          UM, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE REGULARLY ONLY BECAUSE OUR, UH, RULES AND POLICIES HAVE TO BE APPROVED, UM, EVERY YEAR. 
          AND BECAUSE OF OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT COME UP THAT ARE PART OF THEIR OBLIGATIONS, FOR INSTANCE, WHEN THERE'S AN EXAM, UH, THEY HAVE TO CERTIFY THE EXAM FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE ON THE LIST TO BE HIRED. 
          UM, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          THERE'S ALL THESE OTHER PROCESSES THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE INVOLVED IN. 
          SO THEY END UP MEETING, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T MEET NECESSARILY EVEN EVERY MONTH, BUT THEY, THEY DO MEET REGULARLY. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT ALL THESE OBLIGATIONS TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, THANK YOU GUYS FOR GIVING ME THE TIME. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT, WE HAVE 
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A BUSINESS ITEM WE NEED TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER PRIORITIES, QUESTIONS, AND DATA FOR THE BAYTOWN POLICE ADVISORY COMMITTEE'S, BUCKETS OF CONCERN TO INCLUDE, BUT NOT LIMITED TO MENTAL ILLNESS, TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY, TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT AND POSITIVE, UH, ENGAGEMENT. 
          SO WE NEED TO DISCUSS AND, UH, PRIORITIZE WHICH OF THESE, UM, BUCKET ISSUES THAT WE WANT TO, UM, MOVE TO THE TOP OF THE LIST MOVING FORWARD FOR OUR COMMITTEE TO, UH, TO WORK ON. 
          SO, UH, THE FLOOR'S OPEN FOR, UH, DISCUSSION. 
          SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE WE HAD SUCH POOR CONNECTION AT OUR LAST MEETING, THAT WE HAD ANOTHER, HOW DO YOU LIKE TO SAY, BITE AT THE APPLE? BITE THE APPLE BITE AT THE APPLE BITE AT THE APPLE, SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE GAVE THIS ITEM THE ATTENTION THAT IT MERITS. 
          SO WE WANTED TO BRIEFLY GO, I, I BELIEVE I HAD MY STAFF HAND THEM OUT TO GO OVER THOSE BUCKETS. 
          AND DID WE MISS ANYTHING? IS THERE SOMETHING IN THAT, IN THE LAST MONTH THAT YOU GUYS THOUGHT OF THAT MAYBE WE DIDN'T WRITE DOWN? UM, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT HAS COME UP IN ADDITION TO THE FOUR THAT YOU, THE FOUR THINGS YOU SEE HERE? UM, WE, WE JUST WANT TO ABSOLUTELY MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THE COMMITTEE DOESN'T FEEL LIKE WE SHORTCHANGED YOU IN HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING SOMETHING FORWARD. 
          YEAH, LARRY, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS A MARATHON, NOT A SPRINT. 
          I MEAN, YOUR COMMITTEE IS GOING TO EVOLVE, THE LIST IS GONNA EVOLVE OVER TIME. 
          IT'S WHAT WE CALL A LIVING DOCUMENT. 
          SO WE TOOK DOWN WHAT YOU HAVE. 
          YOU COULD SEE TONIGHT'S TRAINING WAS IN YOUR TRAINING COLUMN. 
          IT'S WHAT WE AS STAFF USED. 
          IT'S WHAT THE CHIEF USES, I'M SURE, TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN. 
          SO I WOULD THINK THAT PROBABLY SOME OF WHAT HE HEARD COULD BE IN HIS COMMENTS TONIGHT, SOME OF WHAT HE HEARD AND FUTURE DISCUSSIONS COULD BE NEXT WEEK, NEXT MONTH'S MEETING AT THE POLICE ACADEMY. 
          SO THIS IS TO HELP YOU KIND OF STRUCTURE WHAT IT IS AND PRIORITIZE. 
          AND WE, ON THE STAFF SIDE USE IT TO SEE WHERE WE CAN KIND OF HELP HAVE THE MEETINGS. 
          OBVIOUSLY, I KNOW THE CHIEF IS LOOKING AT WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE AS WELL. 
          A LOT OF THE, UH, SEVERAL OF THE THINGS ON THE PAGES HERE INVOLVE, UM, DATABASES. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHETHER IT'S, UM, BEING ABLE TO DOCUMENT PEOPLE WILLING TO ADMIT HAVING, UM, UM, 
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MENTAL ILLNESS MM-HMM . 
          WHICH WOULD OF COURSE HAVE TO BE A VOLUNTARY THING. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT WOULD NEED A DATABASE. 
          UM, UH, DATABASES OF, UM, ARREST OF PARTICULAR OFFICERS, PARTICULAR RACES, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, COMPLAINTS, THOSE KIND OF DATABASES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          HOW DO WE GO ABOUT MAKING THESE DATABASES HAPPEN IN THE CITY, IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          SO I BELIEVE, UM, THAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS COMING UP IS THAT THERE ARE SOME, THE, THESE DATABASES THAT YOU, THAT, THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED, AND THE CHIEF HAS KIND OF GIVEN US A A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF THOSE ELEMENTS IN PLACE ALREADY. 
          AND SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HE'S GONNA TOUCH UPON WHEN WE DO THE TOUR IS TO TOUCH ON WHAT IN HIS OPERATIONS ARE ALREADY BEING ADDRESSED IN, IN THIS, IN THIS REQUEST. 
          UM, DID I, DID I SAY THAT CORRECTLY, CHIEF? YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE. 
          BASICALLY, DON WANNA SPEAK FOR YOU. 
          UH, AS KEVIN HAD SAID, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN JUST, IT'S GONNA BE A MARATHON THAT'S IN HERE. 
          AND SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS IN APRIL THAT'S THERE WHEN YOU COME TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, IS EXPLAIN TO YOU THE PROCEDURES ON HOW, IF THERE'S A CHARGE OR THERE'S A COMPLAINT, WE CAN TRACK. 
          WE HAVE AN REMS SERVICE, WHICH IS A, A REPORTING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH THERE IN DATABASE AND WE CAN SEE WHAT OFFICERS WRITE, WHAT REPORTS, WHAT ARREST, UH, THOSE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THERE, UM, THAT, THAT PORTRAY. 
          UH, WE KEEP RACIAL PROFILING STATISTICS THAT GO IN THROUGH THAT, THAT ARE REPORTED TO THE MUNICIPAL COURT AS WELL, UH, FOR ANY TICKETS THAT GO THROUGH THERE. 
          UH, BUT THOSE ARE FOR APRIL. 
          AND I CAN SHOW YOU HOW THOSE THINGS ARE ENTERED IN AND HOW THE RACIAL PROFILING REPORT IS CALCULATED, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR, UH, MUNICIPAL COURT. 
          BUT, UH, IT IS BETTER TO SEE IT THEN TO DE MEED, TO HAVE TO REALLY TRY TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT IS THERE ANYTHING ON THIS LIST THAT YOU SEE THAT YOU DON'T CURRENTLY COLLECT ANY DATA POINTS ON? I MEAN, I, I LOOKED THROUGH IT AND IT, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT ALMOST EVERYTHING ON HERE, WE ALREADY COLLECT DATA POINTS. 
          IT'S MAYBE NOT EXPOSED TO THE PUBLIC FOR OBVIOUS REASONS, BUT, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU DON'T THINK IS ACTUALLY CAPTURED? UH, THERE'S NOTHING AT THIS TIME THAT I LOOKED THROUGH HERE, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT, THAT WE PROBABLY, PROBABLY DON'T ALREADY COLLECT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S ALREADY PLACED INTO OUR REPORT WRITING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN PULL UP. 
          IT'S JUST BASICALLY THE, A LOT OF, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DATABASES THAT ARE THERE, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT IT'S A SINGLE STROKE AND YOU CAN PULL UP A LOT OF THESE THINGS. 
          UM, THERE'S A LOT OF RESEARCH THAT HAS TO GO INVOLVED WITH IT, UH, AT TIMES. 
          AND A LOT OF THE TECHNOLOGIES THAT'S AVAILABLE, UH, THE MORE USER FRIENDLY YOU GET TO IT, THE MORE EXPENSIVE IT GETS, UH, THAT'S IN IT. 
          BUT THE, WE DO HAVE THE CAPABILITY WITH THE REPORT WRITING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM AND HAVING OUR ANALYSTS PULL THIS INFORMATION FROM THERE. 
          IT JUST TAKES TIME TO DO SOME OF THESE THINGS. 
          AND IT'S NOT AS QUICK AS WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT, BUT TECHNOLOGY CHANGES EVERY ONE TO TWO YEARS TO MAKE THESE THINGS FASTER AND FASTER. 
          THAT'S ON THERE. 
          WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO, UM, UH, PUBLISHING INFORMATION, MAKING SURE THAT IT'S SANITIZED PROPERLY, THAT PEOPLE'S PRIVACY IS PROTECTED, THE INFORMATION'S IN THE DATABASE. 
          IT'S THE QUESTION OF HOW DO WE MODEL IT AND STILL PROTECT THE OFFICER, THE CIVILIANS, EVERYBODY INVOLVED AS APPROPRIATE BASED ON POLICIES AND LAWS. 
          SO, CORRECT. 
          AND YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT WITH ANYTIME AN OPEN RECORD REQUEST IS DONE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF A CITIZEN OR ANYBODY ELSE DOES IT, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT INFORMATION, IF THEY'RE NOT THE PARTY WHO WAS INVOLVED IN IT, WHO'S REQUESTING THAT OF REDACTING THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE OF PRIVACY ISSUES, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS AND EVERY DATE OF BIRTHS AND NAMES OF OTHER INDIVIDUALS. 
          NOW IF THEY'RE A PARTY TO IT, THEN OF COURSE WITH THE AGS OFFICE AND STUFF, THEY'RE ABLE, BUT THAT'S WHERE OUR OPEN RECORDS DIVISION HAS TO GO THROUGH A WHOLE LOT OF PAPERWORK AND A LOT OF COMPUTER LOOKING THROUGH AND MAKING SURE THAT INFORMATION IS CORRECT AND PUT OUT. 
          AND, AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WHEN, WHEN WE SAY OPEN RECORDS DIVISION, IS THAT SOMETHING, IS THAT THE CITY OF BAYTOWN OR IS THAT BAYTOWN 
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POLICE DEPARTMENT? DOES THAT GO THROUGH THE CLERK'S OFFICE? THAT'S MY LANE. 
          THAT THAT'S YOUR LANE, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST, I'M THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF BAYTOWN AS IT RELATES TO PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST. 
          MY JOB IS TO HAVE A UNIFORM PROCESS AND SYSTEM BY WHICH EVERY SINGLE REQUESTER OF WHICH WE GET OVER 300 PER MONTH IS TREATED FAIRLY AND UNIFORMLY. 
          AND IN THE CONFINES OF STATE LAW, WE TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE AND ATTENTION TO DETAIL AND HOW WE MANAGE, UM, OUR REQUEST. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HIT OUR 20000TH REQUEST THIS MONTH, AND WE CAN TELL YOU THAT WE ARE VERY PROUD TO SAY THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THEM ARE DONE WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE LAW BECAUSE THERE ARE CRIMINAL PENALTIES WHEN WE GET IT WRONG. 
          AND SO WE DO A LOT OF TRAINING. 
          WE ARE ALWAYS UPDATING AND REVIEWING OUR PROCESS. 
          WE ARE ALWAYS MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE UP TO DATE ON ALL THE TRAINING AND ALL THE LAW. 
          AND I WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR PROCESS IS EXACTLY LIKE THE ONE IN MY OFFICE. 
          SO, JUST, JUST TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE, I MEAN, LETTING, AND HER CREW AND CHIEF DO AN AMAZING JOB, BUT THERE'S HUGE CONSEQUENCES WHEN THIS ISN'T DONE RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE IN THE CITY WHERE SOME PERSONAL INFORMATION WASN'T REDACTED AND THAT CAUSED US TO STAND UP A PHONE BANK FOR A WEEK AND SEND OUT OVER 10,000 LETTERS TO AFFECTED PEOPLE. 
          SO THE AMOUNT OF TRAINING THAT LETTIE AND HER PEOPLE HAVE, AND THE WORK THAT THEY DO WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS, IS VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT. 
          SHE HAS TIMELINES, SHE HAS LAWS AND RULES THAT SHE HAS TO FOLLOW. 
          IT'S A VERY EXACTING PROCESS. 
          SO IT'S A GOOD QUESTION TO HAVE, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE WORK VERY, VERY HARD ON BECAUSE THE CONSEQUENCES ARE SIGNIFICANT WHEN IT'S NOT DONE RIGHT. 
          AND IN REGARD TO TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY, THE INFORMATION THAT MAY NEED TO BE ACCESSED IS IT'S AVAILABLE AS LONG AS IT'S UNDER THE PURVIEW OF, YOU KNOW, THE LAW AND ALL OF THAT. 
          AND IT, IT CAN BE EXTRAPOLATED FROM, FROM VARIOUS DATABASES. 
          IT IS JUST NOT AT THE, AT THE FINGERTIPS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC. 
          I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE, YOU CAN REQUEST ANYTHING FROM US. 
          UH, WE WILL REVIEW IT AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE THROUGH THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT. 
          IF IT IS NOT, I WILL DO AN ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION AND MAKE SURE THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL RULES ON IT. 
          I NEVER MAKE THAT DECISION ON MY OWN. 
          UM, AND WHEN WE HAVE VERY VOLUMINOUS REQUEST OF A LARGE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION, AND IT REQUIRES PROGRAMMING WHERE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOME HARD CODING OR SOME PROGRAMS, THERE ARE COSTS THAT COME WITH THAT. 
          THERE ARE SOME REPORTS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY HARD CODED, AND WE TRY TO WORK WITH THE REQUESTER TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE. 
          THIS IS MORE COST EFFECTIVE BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE TO CREATE RECORDS IN RESPONSE TO A PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST. 
          WE JUST HAVE TO PROVIDE WHAT WE HAVE IN EXISTENCE. 
          SO THERE ARE A LOT OF RULES AND A LOT OF, UM, DETAILS THAT COME WITH PROCESSING A PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST. 
          AND I, I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE, YOU CAN REQUEST EV ANYTHING AND IT FITS WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE LAW, WE WILL RELEASE IT. 
          SO LET ME ASK, I I WANT TO ASK CHIEF HOLDEN THIS QUESTION. 
          I'M GOING A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION. 
          I HAVE, UM, I HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AND I HAVE HAD, UM, IN MY PAST HYPOTHETICAL, I HAVE HAD INTERACTION WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THERE IS A CALL TO COME TO MY RESIDENCE. 
          IS THERE SYSTEM, OR ARE WE LOOKING INTO SOME TYPE OF SYSTEM THAT WHEN YOU GET MY ADDRESS, MY NAME COMES UP, RAPHAEL MONTGOMERY, THAT SOMEWHERE IN THAT OFFICER'S COMPUTER IN THIS CAR OR, OR, OR WHEREVER SOME, A RED FLAG IS GONNA COME UP? THIS MAY BE A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE BECAUSE WE HAVE DEALT WITH RAPHAEL MONTGOMERY BEFORE, AND WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A, THERE IS A MENTAL, THERE COULD BE A MENTAL HEALTH SITUATION HERE BEFORE WE EVEN GET THERE, WHICH WILL CAUSE US TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF WAYS CAN WE HANDLE THIS SITUATION. 
          IF IT IS RAPHAEL MONTGOMERY AND I DO KNOW THAT HE HAS MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, DO I NEED TO CALL THE MENTAL HEALTH, UM, PROFESSIONALS? AND YOU SEE WHAT, YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? IS THERE, IS THERE A SYSTEM ONLINE NOW? ARE WE THINKING ABOUT 
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THAT? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THE, I GUESS THE PROCESS? UH, UH, UH, SO YES, SIR. 
          THERE, THERE IS, AND UNDER WHAT I RE SAID EARLIER, OUR REPORT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, WHICH IS WHAT WE DO, ALL OF OUR POLICE REPORTS, COMPLAINTS, UH, THERE'S A REMARK SECTION IN THERE WHERE YOU CAN PUT IN THERE AND FLAG THE INDIVIDUAL AS EITHER MENTALLY UNSTABLE, A GANG MEMBER OR ANY OF THE OTHER CRITERIA. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT WE HAVE TO BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT IS, IS JUST LIKE UNDER GANGS, WE JUST CAN'T, AN OFFICER JUST CAN'T GO AND SAY HE'S A GANG MEMBER. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEY HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN CRITERIA. 
          THERE'S FIVE CRITERIA, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE THREE OUT OF THE FIVE TO MEET A CLASSIFIED GANG MEMBER. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WITH THAT, THE STATE MANDATES ON, AND I DON'T MEAN TO GET OFF TOPIC, BUT JUST KIND OF SHOW YOU HERE, IS THAT IF THOSE GANG MEMBERS, THEY'RE REQUIRED BY THE STATE THAT WE HAVE TO VERIFY EVERY YEAR THAT THEY'RE STILL ASSOCIATING WITH THEM, THEY'RE STILL CLAIMING THEY STILL HAVE ACTIVITY WITH THEM IN ORDER FOR THEM TO REMAIN IN THERE FLAGGED AS A GANG MEMBER. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE MENTAL HEALTH, NOBODY HAS ADDRESSED THAT ISSUE OF HOW WHEN WE DO, IF WE FLAG AN INDIVIDUAL WITH A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE, WHAT CRITERIA? IS IT JUST BASED OFF ONE OFFICER'S OPINION OF WHAT HE SEES? OR IS THERE GONNA BE A CRITERIA SIMILAR TO WHAT GANGS HAVE WHERE THEY DISPLAY THIS, THEY HAVE SELF OMISSION OR, OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE. 
          AND THEN THAT WOULD REQUIRE US IN A DATABASE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WITHIN YEARS FOLLOWING, THOSE ARE STILL THERE BECAUSE PEOPLE RECEIVE MEDICATION AND CAN CONTROL THEIR SITUATIONS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, BUT IT'S OKAY IF WE HAVE A NAME. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          IF WE WERE GET DISPATCHED TO YOUR HOUSE, A LOT OF THE MENTAL HEALTH CONSUMERS THAT WE HAVE MAY BE HOMELESS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE AN EXACT ADDRESS FOR THEM. 
          SO IF WE GET DISPATCHED TO DIFFERENT ADDRESSES, AND TYPICALLY WHERE IT IS, THEY JUST GIVE A DESCRIPTION OF THE INDIVIDUAL MM-HMM . 
          AND THE OFFICER'S DISPATCHED THERE. 
          THEY MAY NOT KNOW IT'S MR. MONTGOMERY, THEY, IT MAY BE SOMEBODY ELSE. 
          SO THEY DON'T HAVE THAT FORWARD KNOWLEDGE RIGHT BEFORE THEY ARRIVE. 
          SO IF WE DID, IT'S GREAT. 
          UH, AND I KNOW THAT THE QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED ABOUT TAGGING LICENSE PLATES AND STUFF WITH IT MM-HMM . 
          SO IF YOU HAVE A VEHICLE THAT'S EVER BEEN N-R-R-M-S AND IT'S ATTACHED TO YOU INDIVIDUALLY, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON TO, TO REALLY IMPROVE OUR RMS SERVICE SO THAT THAT CAN BE DONE. 
          BUT ANYTIME YOU DO ANYTHING TO A LICENSE PLATE, THE CITY HAS, CAN'T JUST DO IT BY THEMSELF. 
          THAT IS REGULATED BY NCIC AND TCIC DATABASE. 
          AND T LETS, SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE WORK WITH OUR STATE LEGISLATORS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, OF WORKING WITH SOMETHING THAT WOULD CLASSIFY SO THAT ANY OFFICER, IF IT'S DPS OR HARRIS COUNTY THAT'S IN BAYTOWN, THEY RUN THAT, IT COMES UP ON THEIR STATE REGISTRATION. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO OUR REPORTING SYSTEM. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO OUR BAYTOWN OFFICERS HAVE THE REPORTING SYSTEM, BUT IN ORDER TO, IN AXLE THAT ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT MAY HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE. 
          'CAUSE YOU MAY TRAVEL OUT OF THE CITY OF BAYTOWN TO HOUSTON, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT COULD BE PUT INTO PLACE AND, UH, YOU WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT. 
          AND SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT WANNA BE LABELED, THEY MAY NOT WANT TO HAVE THAT ATTACHED THEIR LICENSE PLATE, OTHERS MAY, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY AND AS A STATE ARE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT AND ADDRESS. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN BAYTOWN, RIGHT? WE, WE ALL KNOW THAT IT'S A NATIONAL ISSUE. 
          SO HOW CAN WE ADDRESS THAT IS GONNA BE GETTING THOSE PARTNERS ENTWINED WITH US IN BRINGING UP OUR SUGGESTIONS ON ONE OF THE MORNING NEWS PROGRAMS, THE NATIONAL NEWS PROGRAMS, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT CITIES EMPLOYING MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS RATHER THAN HIRING MORE POLICE OFFICERS, HIRING MORE MENTAL PROFESSIONALS TO BE ON, ON CALL OR ON DUTY, UM, FOR CASES, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE MIGHT HAVE SOMEBODY THAT, YOU KNOW, HAS ME MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. 
          UM, IT WAS JUST ON THE NEWS TODAY. 
          SO, UM, I THINK, AND IT WAS A POLITICIAN SAYING THAT THEY NEEDED TO START, YOU KNOW, MANDATING THAT CITIES ARE MORE SENSITIVE TO PEOPLE WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. 
          SO I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF BAYTOWN COULD BE ON THE CUTTING EDGE OF SUCH A THING AND IS, AND ORIGINALLY, YOU KNOW, FROM LAST YEAR'S COMMITTEE, UM, TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN POSSIBLY AS A VOLUNTARY BASIS HAVE AN APPLICATIONS 
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IN DOCTOR'S OFFICES SAYING, FILL THIS OUT. 
          YOU KNOW, SUBMIT IT ON, YOU KNOW, ONLINE OR, OR BRING IT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND YOU CAN GET A RIBBON SAYING, YOU KNOW, ON YOUR DOOR, ON YOUR DOOR STILL, OR YOUR, YOUR BUMPER STICKER, UM, SAYING, PLEASE HANDLE THIS CASE WITH SPECIAL, YOU KNOW, SPECIALTY. 
          AND, UH, BUT IT WOULD BE TOTALLY VOLUNTARY. 
          WE WOULDN'T WANNA VIOLATE ANY HIPAA RULES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE NEED, IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE US AT THE CUTTING EDGE GOING FORWARD, RATHER THAN BEING BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SO YES, I'D LOVE TO SEE US, UM, MAKE THAT OUR FIRST ISSUE IS TO WORK ON GETTING MORE MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS, PSYCHOLOGISTS, PSYCHIATRISTS, SOCIAL WORKERS, GET A COUPLE OF 'EM ON STAFF WITH THE CITY. 
          WELL, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE, WE DO HAVE STAFF ON, UH, OUR VICTIM SERVICES ALL HAVE DEGREES IN PSYCHOLOGY AND THEY ADDRESS THE, A LOT OF THE ISSUES THEY DEAL WITH A LOT OF PUBLIC THAT HAS MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. 
          BUT I'M SAYING IS, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE SAYING IT'S ON THAT POINT TO START A, A, A DATABASE WHERE, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR PEOPLE TO VOLUNTARILY, YOU KNOW, SAY, HEY, MY SON'S BIPOLAR, OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, IF WE GET PULLED OR THIS ONE'S GOT TOURETTE'S AND HE'S GONNA TICK AND SAVOR THINGS WHEN A POLICE OFFICER PULLS US OVER. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS WHERE IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE HAD SUCH A VOLUNTARY SYSTEM. 
          SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, IS THIS THE, THE ITEM BEFORE US? ARE WE, ARE WE LOOKING TO ADD OR REMOVE ANY ITEMS OR WHAT IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH THIS ITEM ON OUR AGENDA? ARE WE LOOKING TO SOLICIT ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED FOR THE MAIN BUCKETS OF CONCERN OR REMOVING ANYTHING? I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT WE, THAT THAT WAS, UH, WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WENT THROUGH IT EXHAUSTIVELY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT, UH, ANYONE FROM THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO, TO ADD OR TO ACCENTUATE? UH, YEAH. 
          SO I, I, UM, BASED ON THE CONVERSATION UNDER THE MENTAL ILLNESS BUCKET, I'VE ADDED, UM, ADDITIONAL STAFFING FOR MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS AND VOLUNTARY DATABASE FOR SELF-DISCLOSURE ON MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. 
          UM, EVERYTHING ELSE I BELIEVE WAS EITHER A QUESTION OR, UH, WAS JUST POINTING OUT A, AN ITEM THAT WE ALREADY HAD IN THE BUCKET. 
          YEAH. 
          UNLESS I, I MISSED SOMETHING AND YOU GUYS TELL ME NO, I THINK YOU GOT IT. 
          I THINK YOU GOT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT BASICALLY WAS IN THE SECOND BOX ON THE, FROM THE TOP. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND I UNDERSTAND IT JUST, IT SEEMED TO ME LIKE YOU REALLY WANTED TO EMPHASIZE SOMETHING. 
          SO I THOUGHT IT WAS FINE TO JUST GO AHEAD AND, AND ADD IT. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          ORIGINALLY, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT THE, THE QUESTION WAS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE EMPHASIZED? MM-HMM . 
          IT, IT IS, I MEAN, FOR ANY TYPE OF REFINEMENTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE. 
          I THINK LEDDY SAID IT BEST. 
          YOU KNOW, THE FIRST MEETING WHEN THIS WAS CARVED OUT, PART WAS ON ZOOM PART WAS IN THE ROOM. 
          THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WE WANT TO PAY THE MATRIX, THE RESPECT THAT IT'S DUE, PAY YOU THE RESPECT THAT IT'S DUE. 
          THAT IN ONE MEETING, ONE FELT SWOOP, THIS MAY NOT BE PERFECT. 
          SO THE IDEA OF CONTINUALLY BRINGING IT BACK, AS YOU HAVE MORE CONVERSATION, AS YOU HEAR MORE FROM THE CHIEF, WE MAY REFINE SOME THINGS. 
          YOU MAY DECIDE THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED OR BEEN ANSWERED. 
          UM, BUT IT'S THAT CONSTANT EVOLUTION OF THE LIST TO MAKE IT WHAT YOU WANT TO BE WORKING OFF OF. 
          SO LET, LET ME ASK, LET ME ASK THIS. 
          AND I, I KEEP GOING BACK TO CHIEF HOLDEN. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE BEST FRIENDS BEFORE . 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          I WANT, I WANT TO ASK THIS. 
          SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE, THE BUDGET FOR THE MENTAL HEALTH STICKER PROGRAM. 
          IF, WHAT COULD WE DO? WHAT COULD WE DO? UH, IS IT, IS IT FEASIBLE TO CREATE A SYSTEM WHERE IT IS COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY AND MAYBE USING THE AVENUES THAT DR. 
          STANSKI, UH, UH, TALKED ABOUT? AND, AND EVEN IF WE PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH MORE AVENUES THAT IF PEOPLE WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES ARE MAYBE HAS A SON OR A DAUGHTER WHO HAS AUTISM, OR EVEN SOMEONE WHO IS, UM, WHO'S DEAF. 
          I, I SAW SOMEWHERE THAT, THAT, UH, BECAUSE EVERYONE IS WEARING MASKS NOW, IT'S REALLY AFFECTING THE DEATH COMMUNITY BECAUSE DEATH PEOPLE ARE, ARE REAL GOOD AT READING LIPS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SEE THE LIPS. 
          SO THESE TYPES OF, IT DOESN'T JUST, IT DOESN'T JUST NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE. 
          IT COULD BE ANY TYPE OF, UM, I'M LOSING THE WORD. 
          I'M LOOKING FOR ANY TYPE OF DISABILITY, FOR LACK 
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OF A BETTER WORD, IF WE WERE TO CREATE SOMETHING, OR IS IT POSSIBLE FOR WE AS A COMMITTEE IN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN TO CREATE A BUMPER STICKER THAT I CAN PUT ON MY BUMPER STICKER OR IN THE BACK OF MY, UH, IN MY BACK WINDOW OR ON MY DOOR AT MY HOUSE THAT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THERE IS A DEFICIENCY SOMEWHERE. 
          UM, JUST SO WE CAN IDENTIFY. 
          AND WHEN THE OFFICERS GO TO THOSE SCENES OR, OR, OR INTERACT WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS, THEY HAVE A CLUE THAT, OKAY, I MIGHT NEED TO HANDLE THIS IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 
          OR THEY CAN BE PREPARED TO, 'CAUSE IT'S HELPING THE CITIZEN AS WELL AS HELPING, IN MY OPINION, AND YOU CAN TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IN MY OPINION, IT IS HELPING THE CITIZEN AS WELL AS THE OFFICER, THE PEACE OFFICER, TO KNOW WHAT HE OR SHE IS GETTING INTO WHEN THEY GO. 
          SO IF WE WERE TO CREATE, IF THIS COMMITTEE WERE TO CREATE THAT, AND WE CAME UP WITH A WAY THAT WE CAN DO THIS VOLUNTARILY, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING, IN YOUR OPINION, UH, CHIEF HOLDEN THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL? IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD THINK WOULD BE A, A, A, A GOOD FRUIT FOR US TO BITE ON? EVERYTHING'S POSSIBLE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL PUT IT THERE. 
          THAT'S WHY YOU GONNA, MY BEST FRIEND, I ALWAYS LIKE TO LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN TO THINK OF HOW CAN WE ACHIEVE THINGS. 
          WE ALWAYS HAVE TO THINK ABOUT LAWS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          BUT WHAT YOU MENTIONED IS, IS SOMETHING THAT NOW IF SOMEBODY WHO'S A CITIZEN WANTS TO COME TO OUR POLICE STATION AND WALK IN THE LOBBY AND SAY THAT THEIR SON IS AUTISTIC AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT RECORDED, WE CAN DO THAT NOW. 
          WE CAN PUT THAT INTO THE SYSTEM NOW WITH THE NAME, WITH THE REMARKS. 
          JUST LIKE I SAID, AUTISTIC. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND WE CAN DO A FIELD SHEET THAT'S ON THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE DO. 
          IT'S BASICALLY A FIELD SHEET ISN'T LIKE A FULL REPORT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT, IT'S AN INTERACTION, STREET CHECK KIND OF THING. 
          AND WE CAN PUT THAT ON THERE. 
          WE, WE CAN DO, IT'S JUST THE IDEA. 
          WE CAN'T MAKE PEOPLE DO IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD, I EVERYTHING WOULD THE VOLUNTARY ASPECT RIGHT. 
          AND SHOWING THAT THE PROGRAM IS THERE AND THE CAPABILITIES THERE. 
          MOST DEFINITELY. 
          I MEAN, WE, WE CAN, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING HIDDEN THAT'S ON THAT POINT. 
          AND, AND I WILL TELL YOU, AND THESE OTHER OFFICERS ARE ON THIS BOARD, OFFICERS LOVE AS MUCH INFORMATION THEY CAN HAVE BEFORE THEY CAN GET TO A SCENE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, THERE'S NOT ANY OF US THAT'S GONNA TELL YOU, WE DON'T WANT THAT. 
          WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT, TO BE ABLE TO TELL US WHAT WE'RE, WHAT KIND OF CONDITION WE'RE GOING INTO SO THAT WE CAN PREPARE FOR THAT CONDITION. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF I COULD SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, UH, WHEN AN OFFICER GOES IN DEALING WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH SITUATION, THE OFFICER REALLY DOESN'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA COME UP. 
          IF YOU GET DISPATCHED TO A AGGRAVATED ROBBERY, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE A GUN. 
          RIGHT? YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY ROBBED SOMETHING, CAR THEFT, YOU KNOW, CAR BEEN STOLEN, BURGLARY OF A HABITATION, YOU KNOW, A HOUSE BEEN BROKEN INTO. 
          SO WHEN WE GET DISTURBANCE, SOMEBODY'S FIGHTING. 
          BUT WHEN YOU GET DISPATCHED TO A PSYCH PATIENT, YOU DON'T KNOW IF HE'S COMBATIVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU DON'T KNOW IF HE'S PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE. 
          YOU DON'T KNOW IF HE'S JUST IN CRISIS. 
          SO WHEN WE CAN GET ALL THE INFORMATION, WE CAN GET AHEAD OF TIME, IT, IT'S GONNA HELP US. 
          SO I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD IDEA TO LET'S GET ALL THE INFORMATION WE CAN. 
          LET'S MAKE IT VOLUNTARY, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, AND WE'LL, WE'LL WELCOME ALL THE INFORMATION WE CAN GET. 
          KEVIN. 
          SO I THINK YOU'VE HIT ON THE MAIN POINTS. 
          I MEAN, VOLUNTARY IS AN ISSUE. 
          YOU'RE LOOKING FOR INFORMATION THAT THE OFFICERS CAN HAVE AS TO WHAT THEY MIGHT BE GOING INTO. 
          OBVIOUSLY THE INFORMATION THAT'S ON THE REPORT, OR EVEN IF YOU HAVE A DECAL ON THE CAR, THAT PERSON MAY NOT BE IN THE CAR. 
          RIGHT? SO ALL YOU'RE DOING IS GIVING SOME KIND OF AN AWARENESS THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY RIGHT. 
          AN ISSUE THAT I MAY NEED TO RESPOND TO. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS, AND IF YOU WANTED TO PROCEED ON, ON THAT, I MEAN, IF THE COMMITTEE GOES DOWN THAT ROAD, I MEAN, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT AS YOU REPORT BACK TO COUNSEL ABOUT WHAT YOUR COMMITTEE'S DOING, THAT YOU, THAT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION FOR YOU, THAT YOU'D WANT THEM TO FUND SUCH A THING IF YOU THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          CAN I ASK, CAN I ASK IT THIS WAY? I THINK THAT, I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT OF THE, OF THE TARGET. 
          AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE ALL WANTING TO MAKE IT BETTER. 
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I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, I'M GONNA GO AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE, AND THAT IS TO UTILIZE THE, THE DATA THAT IS AVAILABLE THROUGH STATE MEANS. 
          I MEAN, UH, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN CREATE IT FROM THE OR AN ORGANIC COMPONENT, HIPAA WON'T STATE, WON'T ALLOW HIPAA TO RELEASE THAT INFORMATION. 
          I NOT RELEASE IT. 
          I AGREE. 
          BUT, BUT THE STATE DOES HAVE SOME OF THAT DATA IN PLAY ALREADY. 
          ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE IN ANY KIND OF COUNTY ASSISTANCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE, THERE MAY BE SYSTEMS OUT THERE THROUGH HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES THAT MAY BE ABLE TO CROSS OVER. 
          UM, I, I THINK THAT I, I THINK THE TARGET IS, WE'RE ZEROED IN ON THE TARGET. 
          I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW TO DO IT. 
          THE, THE RESOURCES IN WHICH TO HIT THE TARGET AND, AND NOT RECREATE THE WHEEL, SO TO SPEAK. 
          JUST UTILIZE THE DATA THAT MAY BE AVAILABLE OUT THERE AND, AND CROSS, CROSS GERMINATE INTO, INTO OUR, INTO OUR, UH, OFFICER'S HANDS. 
          I'VE, I'VE HEARD SEVERAL OF Y'ALL TALK ABOUT IT. 
          THE SYSTEM THAT THE CHIEF DESCRIBED, WHICH ALLOWS THE INFORMATION TO BE IN THE SYSTEM THAT THE OFFICERS CAN PULL UP, THEY COULD SEE THAT KIND OF INFORMATION. 
          I GUESS THE ONLY THING I WOULD SHARE WITH YOU, I THINK YOU'LL HAVE A FAIR NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT A, A DECAL, THAT DON'T WANT A STICKER, THAT DON'T WANT A READY REFERENCE THAT'S TARGETING THEM. 
          THAT'S, UM, IDENTIFYING THEM IN A CERTAIN WAY. 
          SO MIGHT IT TARGET, MAY SOME PEOPLE RESPOND TO THAT POSSIBLY MM-HMM . 
          AND THERE MAY BE OTHERS THAT DON'T BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THAT STIGMA. 
          SO AS YOU GO THROUGH THE DISCUSSION, KIND OF THINK THROUGH THAT, THE SYSTEM THAT THE CHIEF TALKED ABOUT, IF YOU CAN GET THAT INFORMATION INTO THE SYSTEM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY PULL UP ALL THE TIME. 
          NOW I'VE GOT THE INFORMATION, I HAVEN'T STIGMATIZE ANYBODY, BUT I SEE IT. 
          BUT THE SYS THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE CHIEF IS FOR PEOPLE WHOM YOU'VE ALREADY HAD CONTACT WITH, RIGHT. 
          UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS ALREADY HAD SOME DEALINGS WITH, IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, WELL, IT DOESN'T HAVE, YEAH, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE REALLY A DEALING, LIKE A CRIMINAL ACT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IT CAN JUST BE WHAT WE CALL, WE HAVE A SECTION IN THERE CALLED STREET CHECK. 
          AND A STREET CHECK IS JUST LIKE A QUICK INTELLIGENCE THAT'S ON THERE ABOUT, I SAW THIS INDIVIDUAL OUTSIDE IN THE PARKING LOT TALKING TO HIMSELF, AND I WENT OVER AND TALKED WITH HIM FOR A LITTLE BIT AND THEN FOUND OUT THAT HE SUFFERS FROM HERE. 
          WE CAN ENTER THAT INFORMATION IN A SMALL DETAILED, IT'S NOT A CRIMINAL, IT DOESN'T GO ON THEIR CRIMINAL RECORD. 
          IT JUST IN HOUSE. 
          AND IT, WE CAN PUT THEIR NAME ATTACHED TO THAT. 
          AND SOMETIMES DISPATCH DOES THAT FOR TOO. 
          SO, SO, AND IT, YEAH. 
          AND IT, AND IT GOES INTO THAT. 
          SO, UH, DISPATCH CAN FLAG THAT FOR US AS WELL, LIKE AN ADDRESS THAT IF WE SAY THAT WE HAVE, UH, A MENTAL HEALTH, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL AT THIS HOUSE, THEY CAN FLAG IT. 
          SO FUTURE CALLS THAT GO THERE, THERE ARE WAYS THAT YES. 
          AND WE ARE ALREADY EMPLOYING THOSE WAYS NOW. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, ONE THING I HAVE TO BRING UP THAT'S VERY CRITICAL THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. 
          WE GET CALLS FROM THE STATE AND THE COUNTY HEALTH PROFESSIONALS FOR US TO GO RESPOND TO MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS IN OUR CITY. 
          RIGHT. 
          UNTIL WE CAN FIX THE FACET OF THAT TYPE OF SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE SAYING YOU HAVE CITY PEOPLE HERE WITH MENTAL HEALTH. 
          WHY, WHY ARE WE CALLING POLICE, POLICE DO THAT, HAVE TO HANDLE THAT WHEN IT'S ALREADY GONE TO A COUNTY OR STATE PERSON WHO HAS BASICALLY SCREENED THEM AND NOW SAYS THEY'RE SUFFERING FROM A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE. 
          I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THAT SHOULD BE ROUTED TO MAYBE A LOCAL MENTAL HEALTH PERSON TO LET THEM GO SEE IF THEY CAN. 
          AND IF NOT FOR THE SAFETY, IF IT SEEMS LIKE THE PERSON IS, UH, SAFETY AND THEY WANT HELP HAVE THE POLICE OFFICER, THEN THEY CAN HAVE US GO ALONG. 
          I AGREE WITH THAT, STEVE. 
          SOMETHING THAT YOU MENTIONED. 
          THE ABILITY TO PUT THINGS IN THE SYSTEM. 
          I COULD COME IN TODAY AND TELL YOU MY SON HAS AN ISSUE. 
          AND YOU CAN DO THAT. 
          SO WITH EVERY GOOD, THERE'S A FLIP OF THE COIN AND THERE'S A BATCH. 
          THERE'S PEOPLE THAT DO BAD THINGS AND MALICIOUS THINGS. 
          WHAT PREVENTIONS DO YOU HAVE FOR SOMEONE COMING IN AND MALICIOUSLY SAYING SOMEBODY IS DUST? AND SO, AND THEY'RE NOT. 
          THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO STICK STUFF ON THEIR RECORD. 
          AND, AND SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER WITH LIKE A GANG DATABASE WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE THREE OR FIVE CATEGORIES IN ORDER TO LIST THAT PERSON UNDER THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S THE THING IS WITH US, IS THAT IF WE HAVE A PARENT THAT COMES UP THERE WITH THEIR CHILD AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, MY KID IS AUTISTIC AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THEM, THEN WE CAN SEE THAT. 
          NOW IF WE HAVE A HUSBAND THAT'S GOING UP THERE, SAY, MY WIFE IS, HAS A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED THAT WE'LL LOOK AT. 
          AND WE CAN SEND AN OFFICER TO CONTACT THE OTHER INDIVIDUAL TO SEE IF THAT'S IN FACT TRUE. 
          AND IT'S JUST NOT A 
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DOMESTIC, YOU KNOW, ISSUE WHERE SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO GET SOMEBODY LABELED FOR A DIVORCE PROCEEDING OR SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO ALMOST, ALMOST TO THE POINT, AS I SAID, IF WE COULD GET FORMS OF SOME KIND SAYING THAT THERE'S THIS PROGRAM AVAILABLE AND TO THE POINT WHERE THE DOCTOR WOULD ACTUALLY SIGN OFF SAYING, THIS IS MY PATIENT WHO'S BIPOLAR OR SCHIZOPHRENIC OR WHATEVER. 
          AND THAT WAY IF THAT PARTICULAR PERSON CAN'T GO TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE HUSBAND OR WIFE CAN'T, BUT YOU'VE GOT THE ACTUAL SIGNATURE AND ADDRESS. 
          JUST LIKE IF I TELL SOMEBODY THEY DON'T SEE WELL ENOUGH TO PASS A DRIVER'S TEST AND I HAVE TO SIGN OFF THAT WITH MY LICENSE NUMBER AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          IF WE COULD GET THE HEALTH PROFESSIONALS ON BOARD, NOT THAT THEY HAVE TO REPORT 'EM, BUT IF SOMEBODY VOLUNTARILY WANTS THEIR NAME ON, YOU KNOW, AND YOU, AND YOU SUSPECT, OH NO, IT'S THE HUSBAND OR THE WIFE VENDETTA. 
          UM, BUT IF THEY HAVE A DOCUMENT FROM THE DOCTOR SAYING, THIS PERSON'S ON SUCH AND SUCH MEDICATIONS AND THEY'VE GOT SCHIZOPHRENIA OR WHATEVER, UM, THEN THE SPOUSE COULD POSSIBLY BRING IT IN INSTEAD OF THE ACTUAL PERSON WITH THE PROBLEM. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, IF THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE THEMSELVES BROUGHT THE FORM SIGNED BY THE INDIVIDUAL, SIGNED BY THE DOCTOR SAYING THAT THEY WISHED TO HAVE THIS DONE, THEN WE COULD HAVE THAT. 
          AND THAT COULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK TO HAVE ENTERED BY OUR MM-HMM . 
          RECORDS PERSONNEL, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S THERE AND WE CAN SCAN THOSE DOCUMENTS AND KEEP 'EM WITHIN OUR ELECTRONIC, YOU KNOW, UH, FILING SYSTEM. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO, BUT I WOULDN'T SAY I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T MAKE IT THE DOCTOR'S RESPONSIBILITY TO GET YOU THE FORMS, YOU KNOW, THE PATIENTS WOULD BE THE 'CAUSE IT'S VOLUNTARY. 
          'CAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE GONNA SAY THAT THE DOCTOR WOULD BE HAVING PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW. 
          SURE. 
          WITH HIPAA. 
          SO I, I WOULDN'T MAKE THE DOCTOR RESPONSIBLE. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A VOLUNTARY ACTION BY, YOU KNOW. 
          WELL, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE KIND OF SAYING IF WE MADE UP THE FORM, GAVE IT TO THE INDIVIDUAL AND THEIR DOCTOR SIGNED OFF ON IT AND THEY BROUGHT IT BACK TO US, THAT THAT'S, YEAH. 
          THAT WOULD BE FUN AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, LIKE IN WAITING ROOMS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALWAYS TRI, YOU KNOW, TRI-FOLD BROCHURES ON THIS MEDICATION OR THIS CONTACT LENS OR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING TO READ IN A DOCTOR'S OFFICE THAT'S NOT A MAGAZINE. 
          AND I'M THINKING IF WE COULD GET, YOU KNOW, CITY OF A FOUND VOLUNTARY, YOU KNOW, TYPE THING, HAVE A NICE FORM WORKED UP. 
          I THINK WE HAD A A, A DOCUMENT PRODUCED BY THE CITY THAT, THAT BASICALLY OUTLINED THE PROCESS. 
          YOU KNOW, UM, I HAVE A CONCERN, I WANT TO, I WANT TO NOTIFY MY CHILD, OR WHATEVER THAT STORY IS. 
          JUST, IT, IT'S A VERY NON, UM, IN MY OPINION, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A HARD TIME WITH MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, UM, REPORTING. 
          BECAUSE UNLESS THEY SEE A, UH, AN A, UM, UH, THREAT TO THEMSELVES, TO THE PERSON OR TO THE OTHERS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA BE RELUCTANT TO FILL OUT A FORM AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL SHOULD PROBABLY WATCH OUT FOR THIS OR, OR KNOW ABOUT THIS. 
          IT'S NOT REALLY, WE WATCH OUT. 
          BUT IF WE HAD A LEAVE BEHIND DOCUMENT, UM, SO IN MY DISTRICT, UM, I GO TO THE VARIOUS PLACES, UH, APARTMENTS COMMUNITIES AND TALK TO 'EM ABOUT WHAT IT IS THEY WANT ME TO DO HERE ON THE COMMITTEE. 
          I CAN ALSO GO TO MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS IN MY DISTRICT AND JUST SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT THIS PROGRAM. 
          HERE'S SOMETHING YOU MAY WANT TO TALK TO YOUR PATIENTS AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO LOOK INTO THIS. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A, UH, ASKING THE DOCTORS OR MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS TO REPORT, BUT IT CAN'T BE JUST AN AWARENESS PROGRAM. 
          LET PEOPLE KNOW, HEY, THIS IS AVAILABLE AND IF YOU FEEL IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE DO. 
          BUT WE NEED SOME KIND OF A LEAVE BEHIND TO GIVE TO THESE MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS TO, SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS. 
          WE'RE NOT TRYING TO REGISTER PEOPLE FOR MENTAL ISSUES OR, OR, OR IDENTIFY PEOPLE OR BUILD A LIST. 
          WE'RE JUST TRYING TO OFFER THEM A HELP IN THIS, IN THIS AREA AND GET INTO THE RMS SYSTEM WITH A FLAG OF SOME KIND THAT'S LEGITIMATE AS MUCH AS CAN BE. 
          SO I LIKE THE CONNECTION WHERE YOU CAN LINK THE ACTUAL PERSON WITH THE MEDICAL AND THE MEDICAL'S FINE. 
          AND WE ALL WANT TO THINK IN TERMS OF EVERYONE IS A REASONABLE, RESPONSIBLE, AUTHENTIC AUTHORITY. 
          BUT THERE'S A LOT OF QUACKS OUT THERE THAT, UM, PURPORT THEMSELVES TO BE DOCTORS OR MEDICAL OFFICIALS AND THEY'RE NOT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I HATE TO ALWAYS STAY ON THAT SIDE, BUT I ALWAYS WONDER THE PEOPLE THAT DO NEFARIOUS THINGS SPEND 24 7, JUST LIKE HACKERS ON THE COMPUTER. 
          THE REASON WE'RE ALWAYS BEHIND THEM IS GOOD INTENTION. 
          PEOPLE DON'T THINK 24 7 HOW TO DO THIS. 
          RIGHT. 
          HACKERS SPEND 24 7. 
          SO THEY'RE, SO I LIKE WHEN YOU'VE GOT THE PEOPLE INVOLVED WORKING WITH THE MEDICAL AUTHORITY. 
          'CAUSE THEN THERE'S A RESPONSIBILITY THAT I'VE BROUGHT IT TO YOU AND YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU KNOW ME. 
          I, I'M ALWAYS WORRIED THAT YOU REALLY GOT A COMPETENT MEDICAL AUTHORITY TO SAY WHATEVER'S ON THAT SHEET. 
          THAT'S WHY THE CHIEF IS MY BEST FRIEND AND YOU'RE NOT MY BEST FRIEND. 
          I LOVE YOU THOUGH, . 
          I JUST HAVE SEEN A LOT. 
          I'VE JUST SEEN A LOT OF BAD THINGS HAPPEN. 
          DR. 
          UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ON YOUR RMS ON I I DOUBLE MASK. 
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I'M NOT GOING THERE AGAIN. 
          UM, ON YOUR RMS SYSTEM, ARE YOU ABLE TO GENERATE A REPORT THAT WE CAN REVIEW OR REVIEW, UH, THAT DOESN'T HAVE, LIKE, JUST HAS BASIC STATISTICS. 
          LIKE YOU HAD MENTIONED YOU HAD RACIAL PROFILE AND REPORTS THAT COULD BE GENERATED. 
          IS THAT ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN SHOW US SO WE CAN SEE WHAT THAT SYSTEM LOOKS LIKE? THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION. 
          MY SECOND QUESTION IS ON THE STREET CHECKS, YOU SAID, YOU KNOW HOW YOU DOCUMENT, IS THAT IN THE RMS SYSTEM? YES. 
          YES. 
          SO I'M, I'M WONDERING OF THOSE, ARE YOU ABLE TO PULL THE STATISTICS OUT OF IT? 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW YOUR SYSTEM AND I UNDERSTAND SYSTEMS, THE MORE USER FRIENDLY, THE MORE EXPENSIVE. 
          TRUST ME, I WORK AT THE COLLEGE . 
          UM, BUT I'M WONDERING IF, IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN FIND OUT HOW MANY OF THOSE MENTAL HEALTH DENOTATIONS YOU HAVE SO THAT WE HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MANY ARE ALREADY IN YOUR SYSTEM. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? ? SO, UM, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY YES. 
          WHERE YOU'RE SAYING THE SYSTEM, THE RMS MM-HMM . 
          WHICH IS A REPORT WRITING SYSTEM AND THE STREET CHECKS THAT ARE THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE, WE CAN GATHER INFORMATION FROM THERE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WE ALREADY HAVE, AND UP, I KIND OF TOUCHED ON THIS A LITTLE BIT BEFORE THE STATE OF TEXAS CHANGED FROM WHAT THEY USED TO CALL IBR ERRORS EDITING. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW IT'S CALLED ERS, NATIONAL INCIDENT REPORTING SYSTEM. 
          THIS CHANGED LIKE LAST YEAR. 
          ALL AGENCIES ARE REQUIRED BY 2021 TO HAVE BER RATING. 
          OKAY. 
          WE DO HAVE THAT. 
          WHAT IT DOES IS IT, IT GIVES MORE CLASSIFICATIONS FOR INCIDENTS. 
          SO MENTAL HEALTH WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THAT. 
          SO WE ALREADY, RIGHT NOW, I COULD GO IN AND SAY, GIVE ME FOR THIS MONTH BY THE MENTAL HEALTH CALLS, HOW MANY WE HAVE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          GONE TO. 
          IS THAT  NOW THE INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH YOU, I CAN'T SHARE PERSONAL INFORMATION WITH THESE INDIVIDUALS, RIGHT? NO, NO. 
          YEAH. 
          WE ALL, I THINK UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          CORRECT. 
          UH, BUT I COULD TELL YOU THE BASIS THAT, YOU KNOW, YES, WE HAD A MENTAL HEALTH CALL THAT WAS IN THIS AREA. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, OFFICERS HERE AND IF THEY GIVE, IF IT'S MOST, OKAY, SO IF AN OFFICER GOES TO YOU AND YOU SAY, I GOT A COMPLAINT MM-HMM . 
          YOU CALLED ON YOUR NEIGHBOR OR SOMETHING, WE GO INTO A CAD SYSTEM WHEN WE ENTER COMMENTS MM-HMM . 
          SO IT'D BE THE SAME THING ON SITUATION LIKE THIS WITH A MENTAL HEALTH, IF YOU PUT IT IN THE STREET CHECK, THE COMMENTS WOULD BE THERE. 
          OR UNDERNEATH THE COMPLAINT ITSELF, THE OFFICER WOULD PROVIDE THAT. 
          HERE'S WHAT I DID TALK, AND YOU KNOW, THE HUSBAND AND WIFE AGREED THAT, YOU KNOW, HE WOULD TRANSPORT HER TO THE HOSPITAL FOR A COMMITMENT THAT WOULD GIVE YOU SOME TYPE OF COMMENT ON THAT. 
          BUT IT WOULDN'T, THAT THAT'S BASED, SO YOU CAN'T, LIKE, IF YOU GENERATED A REPORT, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FILTER OUT THOSE SPECIFIC COMMENTS BECAUSE COMMENTS ARE ALL COMMENTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES. 
          THERE. 
          SO, BECAUSE I WOULD THINK IF, YOU KNOW, TO JUNE OR DR. 
          TANSKY'S POINT, IF WE'RE WANTING TO HIRE MORE MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS, I WOULD LOVE TO LOOK AT THAT DATA AS PROOF OF WHY YOU SHOULD HIRE MORE PEOPLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AT LEAST THAT MAKES, LIKE FOR US, WE CALCULATE THE DATA IN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF CALLS AND SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS, IS GONNA BE WORTHWHILE, THAT YOU'RE GONNA SPEND THIS EXPENSE FOR THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY KEEP THE PERSON CORRECT. 
          THEY'RE GONNA BE BUSY. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S WITH A OF CALLS, SO THERE'S NO OF YOU CAN THE PERSON THAT WHO IS OVER YOUR RMS SYSTEM, YOUR DATABASE, THERE'S NO WAY THEY CAN ADD ANOTHER COLUMN THAT'S JUST MENTAL HEALTH SO THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO FILTER IT OUT LATER. 
          I, I ALREADY HAVE THE LABEL IN THERE. 
          I CAN PULL OUT MENTAL HEALTH CALLS. 
          I MEAN, LIKE RIGHT NOW I CAN, I CAN HAVE MY ANALYST RUN. 
          YEAH. 
          I ANY CALLS PER SERVICE NUMBER NUMBERS. 
          YEAH. 
          LIKE THE NUMBER OF MENTAL HEALTH CALLS THAT YOU GET AT A TIME. 
          OH, I CAN, I CAN PULL ANY, ANYTHING THAT HAS A HEADING MM-HMM . 
          OF ANY CRIME FROM ASSAULTS, EVERYTHING ELSE I CAN GO THROUGH AND PULL. 
          IF YOU WANT TO ASK ME, I WANNA SEE FOR OR HOW MANY CALLS YOU HAD LAST MONTH FOR ASSAULTS. 
          I CAN PULL THAT UP. 
          HOW MANY FOR BURGLARY? PULL THAT UP. 
          HOW MANY FOR MENTAL HEALTH? I CAN PULL YOU UP THE NUMBERS OF HOW MANY CALLS OUR OFFICERS HAVE BEEN DISPATCHED TO AND RESPONDED TO. 
          UH, IT JUST THE, AND THE OTHER INFORMATION THAT'S BEHIND THAT. 
          SOME OF THAT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT WE CAN'T RELEASE IF IT HAS A NAME AND A COMMENT. 
          I, YOU WANT NUMBER I NUMBERS, YOU JUST WANT NUMBERS. 
          I DON'T WANT INFORMATION. 
          YOU JUST WANT THE NUMBERS. 
          THE NUMBERS ARE NOT DIFFICULT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO, WE CAN EXTRACT THAT INFORMATION FROM THERE TO TELL YOU HOW MANY MENTAL HEALTH CALLS WE'VE HAD. 
          SO WHENEVER YOU SELECT MENTAL HEALTH, LIKE LET'S JUST SAY YOU GO OUT THERE, YOU GO TO A MENTAL HEALTH OR YOU GO TO AN ASSAULT, BUT THEN YOU, YOU ALSO SEE THAT THERE'S SOME MENTAL HEALTH CONCERNS. 
          ARE YOU ABLE TO CHECK TWO BOXES TO WHERE THAT YOU CAN SEE THE CORRELATION BETWEEN, YOU DON'T DISMISS IT, IT'S JUST NOT AN AGGRAVATED ASSAULT. 
          YOU ALSO NOTED THAT THERE IS SOME MENTAL HEALTH CONCERNS WITH THIS SPECIFIC PERSON THAT ASSAULTED. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WELL, SO, SO TO TELL YOU, NABER OKAY. 
          YOU, YOU BRING UP AN EXAMPLE. 
          I GET DISPATCHED TO AN AGGRAVATED ASSAULT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          NABER ALLOWS YOU TO PUT SUBPRIME IN THERE, OR SUB CATEGORIES. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT SUBCATEGORIES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I CAN LIST, THE INITIAL CALL WAS AN AGGRAVATED ASSAULT. 
          IF, IF WE WANT, WE CAN 
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GO IN THERE AND PUT A SUBCATEGORY FOR A MENTAL HEALTH THAT WOULD BE ON THAT. 
          BUT MENTAL HEALTH IS NOT A CRIME. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IT'S JUST A, A TITLE FOR THE TYPE OF EVENT WE WENT TO MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I MEAN, IT WOULD BE LIKE SAYING THEY'RE AFRICAN AMERICAN OR HISPANIC OR, SO IT WOULD BE A SIMILAR TYPE CATEGORY. 
          SO THAT THAT'S WHERE YOU GET IN WHEN YOU EXTRACT MORE INFORMATION DETAILS OUT OF DIFFERENT DROP DOWN AREAS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S THE MORE WITH YOU HAVE TO GET INVOLVED WITH YOUR IT FOLKS AND TECHNOLOGY TO BE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, NOW MENTAL HEALTH CALLS, I WANNA KNOW HOW MANY AFRICAN AMERICAN MALES, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE, THAT WAS ABOUT TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          SO WHAT'S IT, SO WAS GOING THERE. 
          SO, SO BASICALLY RIGHT NOW HOW WE HAVE IT WITH OURS, BECAUSE I'M JUST TELLING YOU, TECHNOLOGY GOES, I CAN GIVE YOU THE MENTAL HEALTH CALLS. 
          THOSE ARE RIGHT. 
          GOING THROUGH THE MENTAL HEALTH CALLS, MY ANALYST HAS TO GO THROUGH THOSE AND THEN BASICALLY SAY AFRICAN AMERICAN, WHITE, HISPANIC, MALE, FEMALE AND, AND LOOK AT THE REPORT ITSELF TO SEE WHAT, SO YOU HAVE TO DO THAT FOR YOUR AGGRAVATED ASSAULTS. 
          YOU HAVE TO DO THAT FOR ALL OF THEM. 
          LIKE IT DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY GENERATE A REPORT. 
          CORRECT. 
          WOW. 
          IT'S KIND OF A, IT'S KIND OF A DIFFERENT NOW OUR RACIAL PROFILING, WHEN WE DO TICKETING IT, IT DOES IT, IT'S AUTO AUTOMATICALLY WITH THE TECHNOLOGY THEY HAVE IN PLACE, IT'LL PREFILL ALL THOSE AREAS THAT GO INTO IT. 
          IS THERE A MENTAL HEALTH ONE ON THAT? MA'AM? IS THERE A MENTAL HEALTH TICK ON A, ON A CALL ON A TRAFFIC TICKET? NO. 
          NO. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A MENTAL HEALTH ON A TRAFFIC TICKET. 
          THEY JUST HAVE TRAFFIC OFFENSES AND ORDINANCES THAT THEY TRACK ON. 
          BUT YOU, YOU CHECK BLACK OR WHITE OR ON THAT. 
          SO, SO, SO ANOTHER TICK WOULDN'T BE THAT MUCH TROUBLE, WOULD IT? WELL, UH, WE HAVE TO BE, THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT GOES IN BECAUSE THE RACIAL PROFILING REPORT IS ACTUALLY THE STATE OF TEXAS REPORT. 
          IT'S NOT JUST OUR CITY REPORT THAT GOES IN THERE THAT WE COULD GO AND CHECK ON A TICKET MENTAL HEALTH REPORT. 
          THE, THE WAY WE SOLVE THAT IS WE STOP SOMEBODY IN A CAR WHO'S, WHO'S SUFFERING FROM A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS AND THEY'RE NOT IN OUR SYSTEM, IS FOR OUR OFFICER TO GENERATE A STREET CHECK ON THAT INDIVIDUAL AND JUST PUT THAT INFORMATION IN TO OUR RMS. RIGHT. 
          I THINK IT SHOULD BE A TICK A CHECKBOX. 
          WELL, I, I WISH IT COULD BE A CHECKBOX, BUT IT'S IDEA THAT THE TWO TECHNOLOGIES ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT. 
          YOUR TICKETING SYSTEM AND YOUR RMS ARE TWO DIFFERENT. 
          THEY'RE DIFFERENT. 
          AND IF ED TOM, JACK WAS HERE, OUR IT DIRECTOR, WHAT HE WOULD TELL YOU IS, SO WE USE SOFTWARE AND YOU'RE MENTIONING SEVERAL DIFFERENT SOFTWARE SYSTEMS, WHICH ARE HARD CODED AND PROGRAMMED A CERTAIN WAY MM-HMM . 
          SO AS SOCIETY EVOLVES, AND WE ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS YEAH. 
          THE SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS ARE GONNA PUT THOSE TICKS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, DR. 
          STANCI, BECAUSE HE'S NOT ALLOWED TO GO INTO THAT SYSTEM, NOR OUR IT GUYS. 
          AND JUST HARD CODE SOMETHING YOU CAN MAKE A, A QUERY. 
          I MEAN, YOU TALKED ABOUT MAKING COMMENTS AND THERE'S WAYS OF QUERYING REPORTS TO PULL THAT OFF. 
          BUT I THINK AS WE EVOLVE AND THE WORLD EVOLVES, THOSE TICKS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WILL BE BUILT INTO THE SYSTEMS. SO IT MAY BE WORTH ASKING THIS QUESTION IS RATHER THAN KEEPING UP THE MAINTENANCE OF THE EXISTING SYSTEMS IN PLACE, AND MIKE MAY BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, SPEAKING TO THIS INSTEAD OF MAINTAINING A A LEGACY SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, WHO MAY BE WORTHWHILE TO LOOK INTO. 
          YOU KNOW, A PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT A SYSTEMS THAT'S ALL INCLUSIVE. 
          IT MAY TAKE YEAR OR TWO DOWN THE ROAD, BUT IT, IF IT'S ALL INCLUSIVE, IT MAY BE SOMETHING TO, TO CONSIDER LOOKING AT. 
          YEAH, IT'S A GREAT POINT. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT WE DO ALL THE TIME WITH SOFTWARE, BE IT FINANCIAL, HR, PD, IS WE TELL THEM WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          SO WE DON'T NEED TO BE PASSIVE ON THIS. 
          WE CAN TELL THEM WE'RE LOOKING FOR A TICK IN THAT SYSTEM. 
          AND TRUST ME, THESE GUYS ARE IN IT TO MAKE MONEY. 
          IF ENOUGH PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR THAT SAME TICK MARK, IT BECOMES HARD WIRED. 
          IT BECOMES AN UPDATE TO THE WHATEVER SYSTEM THAT YOU'VE GOT. 
          SO IT'S A GREAT POINT, SIR. 
          IT'S ALL ABOUT INTEROPERABILITY. 
          THAT CORRECT. 
          YOU KNOW, AS THE DATABASE HERE IS MAINTAINED AND MANAGED, IT HAS TO BE ABLE TO, TO, UH, WORK WITH AND MANAGE WITH THE STATE AND OTHER CITIES. 
          OTHERWISE YOU CREATE A ONE-OFF AND THEY, THEY'LL, THEY'LL SEE A RECORD THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A MATCHING FIELD FOR. 
          SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE REAL ISSUE OF JUST ADDING A TICK. 
          YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A LONG PROCESS TO DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S FOR THINGS THAT HAVE AL YOU KNOW, CRIMES OR, OR MISDEMEANORS OR WHATEVER THAT'S HAPPENING, THE TICK SYSTEM. 
          BUT LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE, HAVING THE DATABASE, VOLUNTARY DATABASE OF PEOPLE THAT WANNA SAY, HEY, WATCH OUT FOR MY FAMILY MEMBER, OR, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THEY'RE LITTLE SPECIAL. 
          WE COULD YOU SAY YOU HAVE A SYSTEM ALREADY IN PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN DO THAT? WE JUST NEED TO GET IT OUT TO THE, UM, HEALTH PROFESSIONALS. 
          SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          OR THE PUBLIC DOESN'T SAY. 
          OR THE PUBLIC, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
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ON THE BACK OF A WATER BILL. 
          SO THAT BRING, THAT BRINGS US, BECAUSE I DON'T, OKAY, GO AHEAD. 
          SO THAT LADY BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT THAT'S ON THERE. 
          IS, YOU KNOW, I CAN, THAT WAY I CAN KEEP EVERYBODY'S INFORMATION CONFIDENTIAL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IS I COULD PROBABLY HAVE A TEST CASE KIND OF BROUGHT UP AND SHOW YOU JUST CREATED WHAT IT MEANS, LIKE ON THE, LIKE WHAT A STREET CHECK IS AND HOW WE ENTER THAT INFORMATION AND HOW THE NAME. 
          AND I CAN HAVE ONE OF MY IT GUYS LOOK AT THAT AND SET US UP A TEST. 
          SO YOU SEE HOW THAT'S BASICALLY DONE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OR I CAN, BETTER YET, I CAN HAVE HIM EXPLAIN IT WHY HE IS UP THERE DOING IT TO WHERE THIS IS HOW IT GOES INTO IT. 
          SO THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          IT'LL PROBABLY WORK BETTER THAN US. 
          YEAH. 
          HYPOTHETICALLY UP IN THE AIR YOU SEE IT. 
          UH, I'M A VISUAL PERSON TOO, WHEN I SEE IT. 
          IT'S MAKES SENSE. 
          A LITTLE BIT EASIER. 
          THAT'S ON SOME OF THE THINGS. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          SO, SO IT'S GET, I DON'T WANT TO KEEP YOU GUYS TOO LONG. 
          SO MOVING FORWARD, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME THAT WE HAVE, UH, IDENTIFIED MENTAL ILLNESS AS ONE OF OUR MAIN PRIORITIES. 
          PROBABLY THE ONE WE WANNA TACKLE FIRST. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE THE ONE WE WANT TO TACKLE FIRST. 
          SO WE NEED TO, UH, MAKE A, BECAUSE THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM. 
          I BELIEVE THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM, ISN'T IT, THAT WE NEED TO VOTE ON, RIGHT. 
          THAT IS GONNA, DO THEY WANNA VOTE ON, DO YOU WANNA VOTE? WHETHER THAT'S THEIR FIRST PRIORITY? IS THAT HOW YOU WANT DO THAT UPDATED LIST? YEAH. 
          AND, UH, PRIOR AND PRIORITIZING MENTAL, MENTAL HEALTH, MENTAL HEALTH. 
          WE GOOD WITH THAT. 
          WHAT I'VE ADDED WAS THE, UH, LOOK AT ADDITIONAL STAFFING FOR MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS. 
          LOOK AT A VOLUNTARY DATABASE TO SELF DISCLOSE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. 
          UM, UH, INFORMATION REGARDING NUMBER OF MENTAL HEALTH CALLS PER MONTH PER OR, OR PERIOD OF TIME. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, UH, DESIRE FOR TICKET SYSTEM, UH, THE ELECTRONIC TICKETING SYSTEM TO HAVE A MENTAL HEALTH TICK, TICK OPTION. 
          UM, AND, UH, FOR THE CHIEF TO BRING FORWARD, UM, IN THE FUTURE, UH, A TEST CASE ON A, A MENTAL HEALTH, UH, CALL. 
          DID I MISS ANYTHING ABOUT THE LITERATURE? UH, LITERATURE AT THE, I, I KIND OF THOUGHT THAT WAS PART OF THE, THE, THE SELF-DISCLOSED, BUT THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          LITERATURE AT HOSPITAL, AT DOCTOR'S OFFICES, DOCTOR DOCTOR'S OFFICES. 
          IT'S A ONE PAGER, KINDA A LEAD BEHIND. 
          THEY JUST, JUST THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. 
          IS THAT IT LADY? YES. 
          I THINK, I THINK THAT'S IT. 
          THAT I CAPTURED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO CAN WE GET A MOTION THAT, UH, MENTAL ILLNESS WILL BE OUR, UM, NUMBER ONE PRIORITY MOVING FORWARD AS A COMMITTEE TO, UH, TALK ABOUT ALL OF THOSE WONDERFUL THINGS THAT LET IT, UH, LIST. 
          SO MOTIONS. 
          WE HAVE A, A MOTION. 
          CAN WE GET A SECOND? SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE DISCUSSION, SO ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE A AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED I'S HAPPY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MY, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO MOVING FORWARD TO START THIS PROCESS? DO WE, DO WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A A, A, A, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A FORM THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE, UM, PEOPLE VOLUNTARILY VI, VOLUNTARILY FILL OUT, DO WE NEED TO, OKAY. 
          SO CREATE THAT OR DO, UH, YEAH. 
          LET US, LET US, LET US LOOK AT EVERYTHING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND AT YOUR NEXT MEETING IN MARCH, YOU ALREADY HAVE A SCHEDULED TOUR AND OVERVIEW AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          SO LET US LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO, UM, IN THAT SPACE. 
          OKAY. 
          TO ANSWER AS MUCH AS WE CAN. 
          LIKE WE SAID, YOUR NEXT MEETING IN APRIL IS GOING TO BE DETAILED. 
          THEN IT'S GONNA FOCUS ON THIS AND WE WILL, WE'LL, WHEN DO WE GO TO THE, WHEN WE GO, WE BE MORE PREPARED. 
          WHEN DO WE MEET WITH THE COUNCILS? GO BEFORE THE COUNTS. 
          THE SECOND MEETING IN APRIL. 
          THE SECOND MEETING IN APRIL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET AS, UH, A COMMITTEE BEFORE YOU GO TO COUNCIL AND UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE MEETING BEFORE COUNCIL IS FLUID. 
          IF YOU GUYS SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT I'D, WE'D RATHER REPORT IN THE SECOND MEETING IN APRIL, I MEAN, IN MAY THAN THAT'S JUST, I I HAVE THE DISC UPDATE CITY MANAGER AND WE MOVE IT FORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS WANNA WAIT ANOTHER MONTH AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET THAT MEETING UNDER YOUR BELT AND FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT IT, THEN WE, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, IT'S FLUID. 
          WE, I CAN MOVE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          WHEN'S THE SECOND MEETING OF APRIL? I'M SORRY? WHAT DAYS ARE THE MEETINGS FOR? APRIL. 
          FOR APRIL FOR THIS FOR THURSDAY OF APRIL AND APRIL FOR THE BPAC. 
          YOUR MEETING'S ON THE 26TH AND THE MEETING FOR COUNCIL IS ON THE, UM, ACTUALLY IT'S ON THE 22ND. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA MEET AFTER YOUR COUNCIL AFTER OUR COUNCIL MEETING. 
          THE NEXT 
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MEETING, UH, WOULD BE MAY 13TH OR MAY 27TH. 
          DO YOU WANNA PUSH THE COUNCIL MEETING THE 13TH? I THINK WE SHOULD FISH TO MAY. 
          MAY 13TH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL MAKE THAT UPDATE. 
          IS IT POSSIBLE LETTING THAT IF WE, UH, WE START WORKING AND WE GET IN THE GROOVE AND WE FIND OURSELVES GETTING LATE, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT IF WE ALL AGREE, CAN WE ACTUALLY HAVE MORE THAN ONE MEETING A MONTH? YES, SIR. 
          YOU WOULD JUST CALL IT OKAY. 
          OH, I COULD, I COULD JUST CALL IT LIKE THAT. 
          . 
          OH MY GOODNESS. 
          YOU WOULD, UH, IF, IF YOU NEED ANOTHER MEETING, WHAT, WHAT YOU WOULD, WE WOULD, WHAT I WOULD TRY TO DO IS FOR YOU TO GIVE ME SOME OPTIONS AND THEN WE WOULD WORK TO PULL THE GROUP AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE FACILITIES AVAILABLE TO ACCOMMODATE IT. 
          SO THERE'S SOME LOGISTICAL THINGS THAT HAPPEN WHEN IT'S NOT A, A REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING. 
          BUT, UH, WE WOULD, I WOULD WORK TO TRY AND, AND MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE I'M JUST THINKING THAT WE MAY HAVE SOME MOMENTS WHERE WE MAY NEED TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE MEETING A MONTH. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE I THINK THAT THIS IS GONNA OKAY. 
          GROW AND JUST, I HAVE TO BE SOMEWHAT PROTECTIVE OF STAFF 'CAUSE THAT THAT WORKS FOR Y'ALL. 
          BUT UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE GOT STAFF 26 BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. 
          MANY OF THESE SAME PEOPLE ARE ALSO SERVING THOSE BOARDS. 
          AND, AND SO JUST, I WOULD JUST ASK TO BE MINDFUL. 
          YOU CAN CERTAINLY CALL ME WHENEVER YOU WANT. 
          WE'LL DO THE BEST WE CAN TO RESPOND. 
          OKAY. 
          THESE SAME PEOPLE SIT IN AN AWFUL LOT OF MEETINGS. 
          MEETINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I KNOW. 
          YOU GUYS ARE GREAT. 
          WE APPRECIATE YOU. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          NEXT, 
          [3. INTRODUCTION]
UH, UH, INTRODUCTION TO, UH, INTERIM POLICE CHIEF MIKE HOLDEN, MY NEW BEST FRIEND , GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF HIS PHILOSOPHY, VISION, AND GOALS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND DON'T WORRY THAT I'M NOT, I MEAN, I, I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID. 
          YOU ARE, DON'T WORRY, , I'M NOT GONNA REPLACE YOU, KEVIN. 
          DON'T WORRY. 
          I'M GONNA REMOVE THIS THIS WAY. 
          YOU CAN HEAR ME A LITTLE BIT BETTER TOO. 
          I'LL KEEP MY DISTANCE. 
          I THINK SO. 
          UHHUH NOT ONCE IN APRIL. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK BY NOW Y'ALL LISTEN TO ME TALK FOR A LITTLE BIT THERE, BUT I'LL MAKE AN INTRODUCTION 'CAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF YOU DON'T KNOW WHO I AM. 
          HOW LONG I'VE BEEN HERE. 
          UM, MIKE HOLDEN. 
          I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY OF BAYTOWN FOR 28 YEARS. 
          IT'LL BE 29 YEARS IN JULY. 
          UM, DURING THIS TIME, I HAVE SERVED IN ALL BUREAUS OF THE DEPARTMENT BESIDES THE COMMUNITY SERVICE BUREAU, UH, DAIRY AREA. 
          BUT I DID, UH, PATROL, UH, WHILE ON PATROL. 
          I WORKED EVENINGS AND GRAVEYARD SHIFT. 
          I WAS A FIELD TRAINING INSTRUCTOR AND TOXILIZER OPERATOR. 
          UM, JUST ABOUT ANYTHING YOU COULD DO DURING THAT TIME. 
          I WAS THERE. 
          I JOINED SWAT, I WAS AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF OUR SWAT TEAM FOR OVER 18 YEARS. 
          AND A COMMANDER OF THAT, I PROMOTED UP TO A SUPERVISOR IN 2002. 
          AND FROM 2002 TO THE CURRENT DAY, I'VE BEEN IN SUPERVISORY ROLES FROM A SERGEANT LIEUTENANT, A CAPTAIN OR ASSISTANT CHIEF IN 2008 WHEN, UH, CHIEF GORDY WAS NAMED THE INTERIM CHIEF OF POLICE AT THAT TIME, THAT'S WHEN I STEPPED UP AS THE CAPTAIN. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE HAD AT THOSE TIME. 
          AND SO SINCE THAT TIME, I HAVE BEEN THE ASSISTANT CHIEF OF THIS BUREAU. 
          UM, AND WE'VE RENAMED TWO ASSISTANT CHIEFS. 
          SO, UM, I'VE BEEN A GRADUATE, WELL I'M A GRADUATE OF THE FBI NATIONAL ACADEMY FROM QUANTICO, VIRGINIA. 
          AND, UM, WITH OVER 3000 TRAINING HOURS IN TCO, HAVE A BACHELOR'S DEGREE FROM SAM HOUSTON STATE UNIVERSITY. 
          AND, UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS CHALLENGE AND, AND LEADING THIS DEPARTMENT INTO THE FUTURE. 
          UM, SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA MOVE ON 'CAUSE I KNOW WE'VE BEEN HERE A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT. 
          BUT TO KIND OF GIVE YOU MY PHILOSOPHY AND THE VISION AND THE GOALS THAT I SEE FOR US COMING UP INTO THE FUTURE. 
          SO BASICALLY OUR PH MY PHILOSOPHY IS OUR MISSION IS TO ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN WHILE WORKING COOPERATIVELY WITH THE CITIZENS WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF THE US CONSTITUTION. 
          WE HAVE TO REMEMBER, WE GOTTA STAY WITHIN THE LAWS THAT ARE THERE. 
          AND I THINK THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS GIVEN TO YOU BY JARRIS EARLIER EXPLAINS, WE HAVE EVEN MORE LAWS THAN THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION OF CIVIL SERVICE AND SUCH. 
          UH, WE MUST SAFEGUARD THE PUBLIC'S TRUST TO PERFORM OUR JOBS EFFECTIVELY AND WITH COURAGE. 
          AND WHEN I 
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MENTION COURAGE, IT'S ON HERE. 
          IS IT, IT'S COURAGE THAT WHEN WE SEE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT RIGHT WITHIN OUR OWN ORGANIZATION, WE ADDRESS THAT SITUATION. 
          WE DO THIS ETHICAL CONDUCT BY SERVING OUR, THE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, SOLVING PROBLEMS AND LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS, EXAMINING OUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES ON A ROUTINE BASIS, IF THAT MEANS YEARLY OR WHATEVER WE HAVE. 
          AND CURRENTLY WE DO THAT BY BEST PRACTICES. 
          WE ARE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH AND REVIEW POLICIES ON A YEARLY BASIS, ON USE OF FORCE AND OTHER POLICIES THAT ARE IN PLACE. 
          AND THEN ALSO CONTINUING OUR TRAINING. 
          AND WHAT I LIKE TO SEE IS JUST NOT THE BASIC TRAINING THAT YOU SEE FOR ALL POLICE TYPE CER CERTIFICATIONS. 
          UM, I, I'M OPEN TO BRINGING IN TRAINING THAT'S OUTSIDE THE BOX. 
          IF IT'S OTHER COMMUNITY, UH, LEADERS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP US IF IT'S FAITH-BASED OR, OR SUCH THAT WOULD BE DEALING WITH SITUATIONS WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE. 
          UM, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN TAKE TO OUR TRAINING ACADEMY AND OUR ADVISORY BOARD FOR THE TRAINING ACADEMY AND PUT THOSE INTO PLACE. 
          THE VISION I HAVE IS WE WILL ACCOMPLISH OUR MISSION BY ENFORCING THE LAWS, EDUCATING THE PUBLIC, PRESERVING THE PEACE, REDUCING CITIZEN APPREHENSION, AND PROVIDING A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR OUR COMMUNITY BY ELIMINATING THE CRIMINAL ELEMENT. 
          THAT IS WHAT EVERY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER THAT'S AROUND, THAT'S WHAT EVERY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY WANTS TO DO. 
          THEY WANT TO GIVE THE PUBLIC THAT PEACE OF MIND. 
          SO WHEN YOU GO TO BED AT NIGHT, YOU KNOW THAT YOUR COMMUNITY IS SAFE. 
          BUT A LOT OF THIS THAT WE PUT INTO PLACE IS WE CAN'T BE SUCCESSFUL UNLESS WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY BEHIND US AND THE COMMUNITY TRUST US. 
          AND THAT WE ALSO NEED THE COMMUNITY'S INVOLVEMENT TO ASSIST US IN ALL THESE THINGS. 
          SOME OF THE GOALS THAT I HAVE HERE, AND BELIEVE ME, I, I KIND OF STOPPED AT ONE OR TWO 'CAUSE I COULD KEEP GOING ON AND ON FOR ALL THE GOALS THAT ARE IN PLACE. 
          BUT SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ONES I LOOK AT ARE REDUCTION OF CRIME THROUGH COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO ENHANCE THAT. 
          THAT'S THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT YOU HAVE MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE. 
          THAT THESE AREN'T ALL NEW EITHER. 
          SOME OF THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST, BUT I WANT TO INCREASE ON THESE ACTIVELY SOLICIT INFORMATION AND IDEAS FROM THE PUBLIC. 
          I THINK FOR PEOPLE WHO KNOW ME, AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE AS A LEADER IN THE, IN OUR DEPARTMENT, THAT I KIND OF THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX A LOT. 
          I LIKE TO LOOK OUTSIDE THE BOX, SEE WHAT IDEAS ARE OUT THERE. 
          IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PUT INTO PLACE FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE THE BETTERMENT FOR OUR DEPARTMENT AND THIS COMMUNITY. 
          EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON LAWS AND ORDINANCES. 
          AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS YOU SEE KIND OF WHAT WAS ADDRESSED TONIGHT WITH JARRIS WITH CIVIL SERVICE. 
          'CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CIVIL SERVICE BACKGROUND. 
          WHAT I HAVE TO DEAL WITH AS A CHIEF, WHAT LAWS I HAVE TO FOLLOW, BUT IT'S ALSO PUTTING IN, IF IT'S THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA OR OTHER INTERACTIONS WITH COMMUNITY, FACE TO FACE AND TOWN HALL MEETINGS OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, IS EDUCATING THEM ABOUT LAWS. 
          UH, SOME PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE SOME OF THE LAWS, SOME OF 'EM DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ORDINANCES. 
          UH, WE GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS LIKE FOR OUR, NOR OUR, EXCUSE ME, OUR NOISE ORDINANCE. 
          YOU KNOW, WHAT TIMES ARE THOSE? AND SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT, THAT PUT OUT THERE. 
          SO THE PUBLIC IS AWARE AND EDUCATE. 
          I THINK HAVING AN EDUCATED PUBLIC THAT UNDERSTANDS SOME OF THE LAWS THAT WE DEAL WITH, NOT ONLY MAY CUT BACK ON SOME OF THE CALLS TO US, BUT ALSO THEY UNDERSTAND WHEN WE SHOW UP, WHAT ARE, WHAT COULD BE THE OUTCOME OF THIS. 
          YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A TICKET OR IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY'S LOOKING AT GOING TO JAIL FOR, UH, BECAUSE IT'S A FELONY OR SUCH. 
          UM, IMPROVE OUR CAREER DEVELOPMENT AND THE QUALITY OF POLICE SUPERVISION. 
          UH, I'M BIG ON TRAINING. 
          I'M BIG ON LOOKING AT OTHER AVENUES OUTSIDE AS I STRESSED EARLIER. 
          UH, THERE'S POLICE SUPERVISION, UM, TRAINING EVENTS THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE CITY. 
          WE'VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST. 
          WE KIND OF QUIT DOING IT, BUT I WANNA LOOK BACK AT IT OF SENDING TO A SUPERVISOR SCHOOL IF IT'S IN PLANO OR SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          THIS, WELL, THAT'S WHERE THE PAST ONES WENT. 
          BUT HAVING THE EDUCATION AND EDUCATING THOSE SUPERVISORS ON THE EVENTS, AND IT'S NOT JUST PAST EVENTS. 
          IT'S THE CURRENT EVENTS, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE TONIGHT, MENTAL HEALTH AND HOW CAN WE HELP ADDRESS AND, AND STUFF. 
          SO WHEN 
          [01:40:01]
WE CAN BRING SOMEBODY BACK THAT MAY HAVE NEW IDEAS, THAT ONLY IMPROVES OUR DEPARTMENT PROMOTE INVOLVEMENT IN THE CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY AND EXPLORER PROGRAM. 
          IF YOU HAVEN'T ATTENDED ONE OF OUR CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO. 
          AND, AND IT'S NOT TO BASICALLY TRY TO PERSUADE PEOPLE INTO WHAT WE WANT YOU TO BELIEVE. 
          OKAY. 
          IT, IT ACTUALLY GIVES YOU A GOOD PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS HAVE OR THEY DEAL WITH FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. 
          SO WE HAVE SOMEBODY FROM COMMUNITY SERVICE BUREAU WHO TELLS YOU ABOUT OUR DARE PROGRAMS OR SUCH. 
          WE HAVE SOMEBODY FROM PATROL, WE HAVE SOMEBODY FROM SWAT. 
          WE HAVE ALL DIFFERENT AVENUES OF WHAT OUR DEPARTMENT IS MADE UP OF. 
          UM, WE HAVE CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATORS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY LIKES SEEING CSI AND THEY THINK THAT WE CAN SOLVE A CRIME IN 30 SECONDS. 
          I WISH WE COULD. 
          FOLKS , WE'RE NOT THERE YET. 
          UH, BUT IT'S NOT TV. 
          UH, ONE OF THE OTHER BIG THINGS I REALLY WANT TO STRESS IN, IN THE COMING FUTURE HERE IS PROGRESSIVELY RECRUIT LOCAL CITIZENS FOR EMPLOYMENT. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR DEPARTMENT THAT'S MADE UP, YES, WE DO HAVE LOCAL CITIZENS WHO HAVE COME HERE TO WORK, BUT I WANT TO INVOLVE MORE. 
          I WANT TO ENCOURAGE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, YEAH, WE CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH. 
          WE CAN ONLY TAKE 'EM TO THE WATER. 
          WE CAN'T FORCE 'EM TO DRINK THE WATER, BUT WE CAN TELL THEM EVERYTHING ABOUT THE BAYTOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          WE HAVE GREAT EMPLOYEES. 
          WE GOT, YOU KNOW, CIVILIAN MEMBERS THAT ARE A PART OF IT TOO, THAT JUST DON'T WANNA BE COPS. 
          BUT IT'S RECRUITING THE LOCAL. 
          AND THE ONLY WAY WE DO THAT IS BY SHOWING THEM TRULY WHO WE ARE BEHIND THESE VEST AND, AND ENCOURAGING THAT. 
          THE EXPLORER PROGRAM IS ONE THAT IS A HIGH SCHOOL AGED. 
          AND I THINK WHEN YOU INTERACT WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL AGE, WE DO IT IN A, IN OUR DARE PROGRAM IN THE ELEMENTARY IS THE HIGH SCHOOL AGE. 
          AND THE EXPLORER SHOWING THEM SOME OF THE BASES OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THIS PROGRAM IS KIND OF LIKE A SCOUT PROGRAM. 
          THEY COME TO MONTHLY MEETINGS AND WE HAVE OFFICERS THAT ARE THERE AND WE SHOW 'EM DIFFERENT TECHNIQUES OF HOW OFFICERS CONDUCT, YOU KNOW, EITHER HANDCUFFING OR HOW THEY DO A TRAFFIC STOP OR HOW WE DEAL WITH EDUCATING THROUGH THAT. 
          AND ONE OF OUR BIG THINGS IS THIS DEESCALATION. 
          SO IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, PUT THAT INTO THE MINDS AND SEE WHERE IT IS AND ENCOURAGE THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT WILL ASSIST US INTO THE FUTURE. 
          AND IT GIVES US A GOOD PULL OF, UH, APPLICANTS TO LOOK AT THAT ARE THERE. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS, IT'S ALL HERE IS STRENGTHENING CONNECTION WITH LOCAL MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS. 
          I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT'S, THAT'S THERE. 
          WE GOTTA COME TOGETHER. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS AND HOPEFULLY YOU'RE ON BOARD WITH ME WITH THIS TO PRESENT THIS TO THE LOCAL MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE AROUND HERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT MAKES OUR JOB EASIER, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          UH, UNFORTUNATELY YEARS AGO WHEN ALL THE MENTAL HEALTH HOSPITALS AND EVERYTHING CLOSED DOWN BECAUSE OF FUNDING, EVERYBODY TURNED THAT OVER TO THE POLICE TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH. 
          AND, AND BASICALLY WE'RE IN AGREEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE OTHER PEOPLE BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS. 
          WE'RE WE'RE THERE FOR BASICALLY LAWS AND SAFETY. 
          THEY GO INTO IT. 
          DOES, DOES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE, UH, MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL COMMUNITY? RIGHT NOW? WE HAVE, BUT I WANT TO STRENGTHEN THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE CONNECTION WITH, YOU KNOW, DOCTOR HERE, A DOCTOR THERE. 
          I WANT TO TRY TO BRING TOGETHER LIKE WHAT WE, WHAT YOU HAVE HERE AS A COMMITTEE IN A WAY AND HAVE ALL THE MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS, IF I HAVE TO BUY THEIR LUNCH OR WHATEVER, UH, SIT DOWN AND SAY, HERE IT IS. 
          AND WHAT, WHAT ARE SOME OF YOUR IDEAS TOO? UM, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA THAT THEY HAVE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S A GREAT, I THINK, I THINK IT'S, IT'S VITAL. 
          IT'S IMPORTANT TO WHAT WE DO. 
          WE, WE UNDERSTAND AND IT'S NOT A BAYTOWN ISSUE. 
          LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THIS IS A NATIONAL ISSUE. 
          AND UNTIL WE'RE, WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK FOR FUNDING OUTSIDE OF BAYTOWN TO STATE AND FEDERAL, YOU KNOW, BUT ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR OUR CITIZENS IN THE CITY OF BAYTOWN IS, IS A WIN-WIN FOR US. 
          AND SO WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE MAIN PRIORITIES. 
          I COULD NAME A WHOLE LOT MORE GOALS THAT ARE ALL IN PLAY. 
          UH, AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIG GOALS, I KNOW CITY ADMINISTRATION'S ALL THERE WONDERING IF I'D EVER SAY IT, BUT SEEING OUR PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING BEING BUILT AND, AND DONE, AND THAT'S ON PROGRESS. 
          AND WE SHOULD HAVE THAT BY, BY PROBABLY THE FIRST PART OF 2023 
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COMPLETED. 
          SO SINCE I'M YOUR NEW BEST FRIEND, GIMME AN OFFICE IN THERE TOO. 
          OKAY. 
          , I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR ONE FOR YEARS. 
          , ANY QUESTIONS ON PHILOSOPHY, VISION, OR GOALS? I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, WHEN YOU SAY STRENGTHEN THE CONNECTION WITH THE LOCAL MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS, ARE YOU, DO YOU, WOULD YOU BE THE ONE THAT WOULD BE HA WOULD HAVE THESE, LIKE I THINK CREATING A NETWORK WOULD BE SMART, BUT THERE ARE NETWORKS ALREADY OUT THERE. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, I WAS ON A, A MEETING THAT HAD ALL THESE DIFFERENT AGENCIES TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY'RE PROVIDING SERVICES FOR THE FREEZE LAST WEEK, BUT THEY HAD A PRESENTATION BY LEGACY WHO TALKED ABOUT ALL OF THEIR MENTAL HEALTH, UH, THE, THEIR, UM, SERVICES THAT THEY PROVIDE. 
          SO HAVE YOU, DO YOU HAVE SOMEONE ON YOUR TEAM THAT COULD START ATTENDING SOME OF THESE MEETINGS, LIKE JUST LOCAL MEETINGS SO THEY CAN GET A GENERAL IDEA OF WHO YOU CAN CONNECT WITH AT THAT POINT? BECAUSE I THINK IT'S MORE THAN JUST DOCTORS. 
          I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A HUGE NETWORK SOCIAL WORKERS OH YEAH, YEAH. 
          NO, WE, WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN ZOOM MEETINGS WITH OTHERS. 
          WHEN, WHEN I SAY THAT IS, IS THE COHESIVENESS OF WHERE IT IS. 
          I MEAN, LIKE LAST WEEK BEFORE ALL THIS STORM STARTED, I HAD A ZOOM MEETING THAT WAS WITH SOME MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS AND ALSO HOMELESS. 
          AND THEY WERE DEALING WITH WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? BECAUSE MOST OF THE, LIKE SAY MOST OF THE HOMELESS, THERE'S A BIG ISSUE WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES THERE. 
          AND THEY WERE WONDERING WHERE ARE WE GONNA HOUSE THESE INDIVIDUALS? RIGHT. 
          BUT YES, IT, IT'S BASICALLY I WANT TO GET THAT COHESIVENESS WITH THEM TO WHERE WHEN I PICK UP A PHONE AND I CALL OR SOMETHING KIND OF LIKE, IT SOUNDS LIKE ME AND PASTOR MONTGOMERY ARE GONNA GONNA BE DOING IS THAT ABSOLUTELY. 
          THEY KNOW ME, THEY KNOW THE FACE AND WE'RE, WE'RE ABLE TO GO THROUGH IT, BUT WE ALL HAVE OUR SUGGESTIONS THAT ARE HERE, THAT ARE IN PLAY. 
          AND THE MORE PEOPLE WE CAN PUT INTO THIS THOUGHT PROCESS AND COME UP WITH IDEAS THAT ARE THERE. 
          YES. 
          I MEAN, THOSE, THOSE NETWORKS ARE THERE AND WE ARE PART OF SOME OF THEM, BUT I WANT TO GET LARGER AND I WANT TO GET MORE. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          HOW, HOW IN IN WITH THE GOALS, I MEAN, GOING BACK TO THE EARLIER DISCUSSION, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU SAID GETTING WITH THE LOCAL MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS. 
          I MEAN, HARRIS COUNTY IS NOW THE FOURTH, ALMOST THE THIRD LARGEST COUNTY IN THE UNITED STATES. 
          AND I KNOW THAT THEY'RE STRAPPED FOR RESOURCES AND ALL, BUT ARE WE ABLE TO TAP INTO MORE OF THEIR RESOURCES THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN ORDER TO, TO BUILD THAT RELATIONSHIP? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, BEN TOP HOSPITAL, I MEAN THEY, THEY ARE A, A GO-TO FOR ALL OF THE AGENCIES IN, IN HARRIS COUNTY, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ARE, IS THERE A, A WAY TO TAP INTO THAT? JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS JUST MENTIONING THAT, YOU KNOW, NETWORKING. 
          I MEAN, ARE WE EXHAUSTING THOSE AS WELL WITHIN THE COUNTY? SURE. 
          UH, BUT THE THING IS, IS, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, IS WE GOTTA HAVE THE PEOPLE HERE THAT CAN RESPOND HERE AND, AND YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE STUFF TO WHERE WE, WHERE WE RELY ON BEN TODD AND OTHERS THAT ARE IN THE COUNTY, THEN THEIR RESPONSE TIME TO WHAT WE NEED HERE. 
          AND IF IT, IF IT'S SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN GET HIRING MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS THAT GO INTO IT, LOOKING TO THE FUTURE. 
          IF THAT'S SOMETHING TO DO, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA HAVE THAT SOURCE THAT'S HERE THAT CAN RESPOND IN AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE I, I REALLY WANT TO GET THIS CONNECTION WITH THEM TO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S AVAILABLE TO ALL THE CITIZENS AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE WE HAVE TO HAVE NOW. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FAITH, FAITH-BASED TRAINING, UH, I THINK THAT'S A, A, A A GREAT IDEA. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, WHAT, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING PARTICULARLY IN MIND OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID, UH, A FEW YEARS AGO IS WE HAD A SYMPOSIUM, UH, WAY BACK, UH, UH, WHEN THE, UH, ZIMMERMAN SITUATION HAPPENED. 
          WE HAD A, WE HAD A SYMPOSIUM AT MY CHURCH WHERE WE HAD SOME OFFICERS WHO CAME AND, UH, CHIEF CAME, CHIEF DOUGHERTY CAME, AND, UH, CHIEF ALFORD CAME. 
          AND WE JUST BASICALLY JUST HAD A, A CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, DIFFERENT, UM, LAWS AND, AND HOW TO, HOW TO, ONE OF THE BIG, THE BIGGEST CONVERSATION WAS HOW DO YOU ACT AT A TRAFFIC STOP TO, UH, TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, IF YOU ASK ME, DO YOU HAVE YOUR LICENSE TO ME, THAT'S YOU ASKING ME TO GET MY LICENSE? 
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BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY, WHAT'S THAT OFF, WHAT'S IN THE OFFICER'S MIND? SO IF I GO AND TRY TO GET MY LICENSE, I MAY BE IN TROUBLE. 
          SO WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AND WE TALKED ABOUT HOW TO, HOW TO INTERACT, BUT ALSO THE COMMUNITY GOT A CHANCE TO TALK WITH THE OFFICERS ABOUT CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE AND HOW WE COULD, HOW WE COULD BUILD, BUILD THAT BRIDGE. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FAITH-BASED, UH, TRAININGS, WHAT, WHAT IN SPEC, WHAT SPECIFICALLY WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT THOSE TYPE OF SYMPOSIUMS OR WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT MAYBE GETTING WITH, UM, HAVING MONTHLY MEETINGS OR BIMONTHLY MEETINGS WITH MINISTERS? WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY HAVE YOU HASHED THAT OUT OF? WELL, YOU, YOU HIT ON TWO OF THE TOPICS AND IT'S LIKE THAT GOING TO THESE CHURCHES, LOCAL CHURCHES, WHEREVER IT MAY BE, AND YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY LIMITS. 
          I KNOW BARRETT'S CLOSE TO WHERE WE'RE AT THE MCNAIR AREA, WHEREVER IT IS THAT WE, WE HAVE CITIZENS THAT COME INTO OUR CITY MM-HMM . 
          THAT WE INTERACT WITH MM-HMM . 
          AND IT'S THAT EDUCATION. 
          SO IF IT'S AT THE CHURCHES, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THE MINISTERS THAT ARE THERE, IF IT'S HAVING MEETINGS WITH SOME OF THE MINISTERS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH OF WHAT DO THEY SEE? AND, AND IT ALL GOES TO OUR EDUCATION OF HOW WE COMMUNICATE THAT MESSAGE. 
          YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT BECAUSE WHAT, HOW IT'S COMMUNICATED AND HOW IT'S RECEIVED CAN BE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S, AND FOR OUR BEST BENEFIT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE DO COMMUNICATE, IT'S IN A WAY THAT BASICALLY EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS AND IT'S NOT CONFUSING TO AN INDIVIDUAL, YOU KNOW, SO IF I ASK YOU, IF YOU HAD YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE AND YOU GO TO GRAB FOR IT, JUST HOLD ON. 
          I'LL, I'LL GET IT FROM YOU IN A MINUTE. 
          YOU KNOW, IF OF UNDERSTANDING GOES TO THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE OF MY THINGS IS, I'M GONNA TELL YOU RIGHT OFF THE BAT, IS HUMILITY. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN WE CAN START TREATING EVERYBODY IN THE SAME MANNER AND UNDERSTAND ONE ANOTHER, AND WHEN WE CAN BASICALLY GO TO THAT EFFECT, IT'S GONNA IMPROVE THE RELATIONSHIPS WE HAVE. 
          BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND, THEY THINK LAW ENFORCEMENT IS WHAT THEY SEE ON TV. 
          THEY SEE THAT TV ON CSI, THEY SEE NYPD, THE BLUES, WHATEVER YOU SEE, THEY THINK THAT IS WHAT THE REALITY OF LAW ENFORCEMENT IS. 
          AND IT'S NOT. 
          THERE'S MEN, WOMEN, AND WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT SOME PEOPLE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT DON'T THINK THAT WHAT THEY SEE ON THE TV IS WHAT'S IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. 
          CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO WE, WE, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE SYSTEM. 
          WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THE PEOPLE IN THE SYSTEM AND WE HAVE TO COME, WE HAVE TO COME TOGETHER. 
          AND CHIEF TO JUST BE HONEST WITH YOU RIGHT NOW, THE RELATIONSHIP, UH, BETWEEN THE POLICE AND PARTICULARLY AFRICAN AMERICANS IN BAYTOWN IS NOT VERY, IS NOT VERY GOOD. 
          SO, AND THOSE ARE DEFINITELY THINGS WE HAVE GOT TO IMPROVE UPON, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THOSE TOUGH, THOSE TOUGH CONVERSATIONS AND NOT BE AFRAID TO DISAGREE, BUT NOT BE DISAGREEABLE AND COME AWAY WITH EACH OF US HEARING EACH OTHER AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER AND COMING, COMING, WALKING AWAY WITH SOME TYPE OF FRAMEWORK TO IMPROVE. 
          AND IF THE ONLY TIME YOU SEE ME IS DURING A BAD TIME, THEN MY OPINION OF YOU IS A NEGATIVE OPINION. 
          AND IF THE ONLY TIME I SEE YOU IS DURING A BAD TIME, THEN YOUR OPINION OF ME IS A NEGATIVE OPINION. 
          SO WHY DON'T WE FIND SOME MOMENTS OF CLARITY OR GOOD MOMENTS WHERE WE CAN COME TOGETHER AS WELL. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE, WE'RE ALL HUMAN. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES. 
          WE'RE NOT ROBOTS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE, WE, IN THE EYES OF GOD AND STUFF, WE, WE SIN. 
          RIGHT? AND WE KNOW THAT WE REPENT FOR OUR SIN, BUT NOT  YOU PREACHING, NOW YOU GONNA BE PREACHING AT MY CHURCH. 
          BUT IT'S THE IDEA THAT NO, THAT'S WHERE IT IS, IS YOU GOT TO, AND I AND A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE AND APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING UP THE POINT, YOUR OPINION AND MY OPINION. 
          JUST BECAUSE YOUR OPINION'S DIFFERENT SHOULD NOT BE SOMETHING I HOLD AGAINST YOU. 
          EXACTLY. 
          I VALUE YOUR OPINION. 
          I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE EVERYTHING FROM IT. 
          IT'S LIKE SUGGESTIONS THAT COMES HERE. 
          WHY CAN'T I FIRE SOMEBODY? WHY CAN'T I DO SOMETHING? I HAVE LAWS AND OTHER THINGS. 
          I'M LISTENING TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          BUT I HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M FOLLOWING ALL PROCESSES AND LAWS THAT ARE IN PLACE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE EXPECT OF ALL OF, YOU KNOW, THE OFFICERS THAT ARE THERE, THERE'S ACCOUNTABILITY HELD IN TO THE POSITION IN WHAT THEY DO. 
          BUT AS ADMINISTRATOR, A CHIEF OF POLICE, I HAVE TO ALSO REALIZE THEY'RE HUMAN. 
          THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A MISTAKE. 
          EXACTLY. 
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THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A MISTAKE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE WANTED, WANNA STRIVE FOR PERFECTION, BUT SOMETIMES WE FALL SHORT OF THAT. 
          SO THOSE LEARNING LESSONS THERE WHERE WE NEED TO CORRECT THAT AND MOVE ON. 
          IF, IF, IF NOTHING ELSE, THE FELLOWSHIP WITH EACH OTHER. 
          YES. 
          YOU KNOW, SPEND SOME TIME WITH EACH OTHER, BREAK BREAD TOGETHER, JUST TALK. 
          AND WE'RE ALL HUMAN, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO BE SO ADVERSARIAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          JUST, JUST FELLOWSHIP WITH EACH OTHER. 
          YOU KNOW, MY KIDS AIN'T AS SCARED OF POLICE, YOU KNOW, WHY? 'CAUSE THEY GREW UP WITH ONE. 
          THEY, AND, AND WHEN I WAS COMING UP, WHEN I WAS COMING UP, AND I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU WHEN THAT WAS, BUT WHEN I WAS COMING UP, EVERY, EVERY ALL, AT LEAST ALL THE LITTLE BOYS WANTED TO BE FIREMEN OR POLICEMEN. 
          THAT THAT WAS A GOAL THAT THEY WANTED TO BE. 
          BUT NOW, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF LITTLE KIDS, THEY SEE THE POLICE AND THEY RUN. 
          THEY'RE AFRAID. 
          THEY'RE AFRAID OF THEM, BUT, YOU KNOW, BASED A LOT OF ON WHAT THEY SEE. 
          SO SOME KIND OF WAY WE'VE GOT TO COME TOGETHER AND, AND DEAL WITH THESE THINGS AND JUST BE FRANK AND HONEST WITH EACH OTHER. 
          I MEAN, WE GOTTA STOP SUGARCOATING AND ACTING LIKE EVERYTHING IS ALL RIGHT WHEN IT'S NOT. 
          WE GOT, WE GOT TO DEAL WITH IT, BUT DEAL WITH IT, LIKE YOU SAID, HU WITH HUMILITY AND, AND LOVE AND RESPECT. 
          AND, AND, AND I THINK WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE OKAY, BUT WE GOTTA DEAL WITH IT. 
          CORRECT. 
          WELL, THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DIDN'T MEAN TO HOLD YOU OVER THIS LONG, BUT, UH, I KNOW THAT LAST MEETING Y'ALL WERE ASKING ABOUT ME, TRY TO KNOW WHAT MY VISION IS. 
          JUST TO END ON THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE DONE WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SINCE BECOMING THE INTERIM IS THAT WE HAVE, UH, BASICALLY KIND OF CHANGED OUR TITLES AND MOVED SOME, UH, UPPER MANAGEMENT SUPERVISORS AROUND. 
          UM, WE NOW HAVE A PLANNING COMMANDER PLANNING DIVISION. 
          WE HAVE A LOGISTICS BUREAU, UM, COMMANDER, ASSISTANT CHIEF, AND WE HAVE AN OPERATIONS ASSISTANT CHIEF AND OUR OPERATIONS HANDLES ALL THE PATROL AND DETECTIVES, ALL THE UNIFORM. 
          OUR PLANNING DIVISION IS, UM, CONSISTED OF THE SUPPORT SERVICES DIVISION, WHICH IS OUR BUDGET, OUR QUARTERMASTER, OUR GARAGE, OUR TRAINING DIVISION, OUR FAMILY VIOLENCE VICTIM SERVICES UNIT, AND, UM, OUR ANALYST UNIT WHERE WE HAVE OUR ANALYST AND OUR PERSONNEL OFFICERS THAT DO ALL THE HIRING. 
          AND THEN WITH OUR LOGISTICS BUREAU IS OUR JAIL DIVISION, OUR CRIME PREVENTION DIVISION, OUR RECORDS DIVISION, OUR COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS, WHICH ARE THE CSOS, CIVILIANS THAT ARE AT THE WINDOW THAT TAKE REPORTS AT THE WINDOW AND OUR PROPERTY DIVISION. 
          ALSO, WHAT I'M HERE IS IN THE FUTURE, WHICH WHEN I PUT THIS OUT LAST MONTH, AT THE BEGINNING OF FEBRUARY, WELL, AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MONTH, IT'S GONE BY SO QUICKLY, IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN OFFICE FOR PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS WILL BE ESTABLISHED IN THE ADMINISTRATION BUREAU. 
          AND THIS UNIT WILL INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING. 
          IT'LL HAVE THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION ALONG WITH A POLICY AND PROCEDURE REVIEW, A FLEET REVIEW, ACCIDENT REVIEW IN OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT. 
          SO WE WILL HAVE A UPPER MANAGEMENT, EITHER A LIEUTENANT OR SERGEANT THAT WILL OVERSEE THIS. 
          IT'LL BE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY, UH, TO CONTINUOUSLY REVIEW THOSE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. 
          THEY'RE IN PLACE. 
          AND THEY'LL ALSO BE THE SUPERVISOR FOR INTERNAL AFFAIRS. 
          BUT INTERNAL AFFAIRS TECHNICALLY REPORTS DIRECTLY TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE, UM, THAT GOES INTO THOSE. 
          AND THEN WE LIKE TO SAY WE CONDUCT FLEET REVIEWS, WE CON CONDUCT ACCIDENT REVIEWS OF OUR OFFICERS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE AT FAULT ACCIDENTS, AND THEN WHAT ACCOUNTABILITY THEY SHOULD BE HELD TO. 
          SO, UH, THAT FULL-TIME PERSON WILL BE THERE THAT'S IN THAT. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THE MANAGEMENT ALL ADJUSTED INTO THEIR NEW ROLES. 
          AND THEN THIS PERSON WILL COME IN PLACE HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY CURRENT OPENINGS FOR OFFICERS? YES, SIR, WE DO. 
          UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY, WELL, I HA I'M HAVING TO THINK BECAUSE I HAD ONE, UH, RESIGN YESTERDAY. 
          HE WENT ON TO ANOTHER POLICE AGENCY. 
          UH, SO CURRENTLY WE ARE AT, I BELIEVE, SEVEN OPENINGS THAT WE HAVE. 
          AND THOSE ARE FOR UNIFORM OR JUST DOES IT FOR UNIFORM 
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SERVICES OR FOR GENERAL? YES, IT'S A UNIFORM. 
          IT'S, IT'S A CIVIL SERVICE POLICE OFFICER. 
          OKAY. 
          I SAW A FLYER OUT A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO AND, AND WHEN IT, WHEN I GO BACK TO ST LOCAL RECRUITING LOCAL, IT'S PUTTING A LOT MORE NOTICE HERE IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          WE'RE HIRING, YOU KNOW, I I CAME UP WITH AN IDEA LOOKING AT PUTTING MAGNETIC SIGNS ON THE POLICE CARS TO SAY, NOW HIRING, YOU KNOW, SO THEY SEE 'EM THAT AROUND HERE, LIKE YOU SEE ON SOME OF THESE TRUCKING COMPANIES. 
          A GOOD IDEA CHIEF WOULD BE TO SEND THAT INFO, SEND THOSE FLYERS TO ALL YOUR LOCAL CHURCHES. 
          SURE. 
          AND WE CAN DO THAT. 
          WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE. 
          YOU KNOW, SOCIAL MEDIA IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BIG NOW AND, AND EVERYBODY TRIES TO MORE GRAVITATES TOWARDS. 
          UM, IT'S UTILIZING ALL THOSE PLATFORMS. YOU KNOW, IT'S ALSO, THE THING IS WITH SOCIAL MEDIA IS THERE'S THINGS ON THERE QUICKLY. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, . 
          SO, UM, NO, I, I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH Y'ALL. 
          I APPRECIATE Y'ALL TAKING THE TIME, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, LOOK FORWARD IN THE FUTURE OF CONTINUING RELATIONSHIP AND WORKING WITH YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, CHIEF. 
          I THINK SO. 
          THANK YOU, CHIEF. 
          OKAY, WE'RE MOVING ALONG. 
          MANAGER'S REPORT, 
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FIRST OF ALL, LIKE IN ALL COMMITTEES AND BOARDS AT LEAST THAT I SIT. 
          AND I REALLY DO WANT TO THANK ALL OF Y'ALL FOR YOUR TIME, EFFORT, AND ENERGY. 
          I, I HOPE PEOPLE REALLY ENJOY. 
          AND YOU GUYS HAVE BRACED AND I'VE HEARD IT SAID A COUPLE OF TIMES TONIGHT TO BE ABLE TO DISAGREE WITHOUT BEING DISAGREEABLE. 
          PASTOR, I KNOW YOU SAID THAT. 
          IT'S JUST SO IMPORTANT. 
          I MEAN, THESE ARE TOUGH ISSUES AND TOUGH CONVERSATIONS THAT HAS TO HAPPEN. 
          AND NOT EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE HAVING TOUGH CONVERSATIONS. 
          SO I APPLAUD ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO BE HERE, FOR THE CIVILITY THAT YOU SHOWED TO EACH OTHER FOR THE CONVERSATION AND ALL YOUR VOICES BEING HEARD. 
          THANK ALL OF YOU TO CITY STAFF. 
          AND JAMIE, YOU'RE OUT THERE. 
          I JUST FEEL LIKE I NEED TO CALL ON YOU BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MEETING NEEDS SOMETHING OF YOU. 
          BUT JARRIS, THANK YOU SO MUCH TONIGHT AND LET, AND KAREN, IT'S JUST, I APPRECIATE IT'S NOT US AGAINST YOU. 
          I ALWAYS TELL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT WE'RE A TEAM, YOU KNOW, IT'S CITY STAFF IMPARTING THINGS AND THEN YOU GUYS HAVE TO TURN ON IT AND DECIDE WHAT IT IS YOU WANT TO DO AND ULTIMATELY RECOMMEND A COUNCIL. 
          BUT IT'S, IT'S US DOING IT TOGETHER. 
          SO I HOPE EVERYONE'S EXCITED BY THE CONVERSATIONS OF THESE FIRST COUPLE OF MEETINGS AND WE DO LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH YOU. 
          HAVING SAID THAT, OUR NEXT MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR MARCH 23RD, 6:00 PM THAT WILL BE AT THE POLICE ACADEMY FOR THE TOUR THAT BOTH, UH, THE CHIEF AND LEDDY TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU, CHAIRMAN. 
          OKAY GUYS, IF YOU DIDN'T DO IT, BUT WHEN YOU GOT HERE, TAKE A PICTURE OF YOUR NAME, , BEFORE YOU LEAVE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          8 0 2. 
          I WILL. 
          MEETING IS OFFICIALLY UH, ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU GUYS. 
          BE CAREFUL GOING HOME. 
          GOTTA HIT THEL. 
          OH,  YOUR PHONE. 
          I'LL TAKE YOU.
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