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FIVE 30, UH, DECEMBER 14TH, 2020.
AND WE'RE CALLING THE MEETING TO ORDER.
[1. MINUTES]
A.CONSIDER APPROVING THE MINUTES OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING HELD ON OCTOBER 19TH, 2020.
I SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR OCTOBER 19TH, 2020.
UM, ASK FOR ANY COMMENTS OR CORRECTIONS.
ANY COMMENTS OR CORRECTIONS AS MR. MAYO? CAN YOU HEAR US? UM, I'M ASKING HIM TO UNMUTE, BUT HE HAS YET TO UNMUTE.
I WANNA GET ONE FROM MY HOUSE.
WELL, THEY HAD TO, THEY GOT THE BIG MACHINES OUT THIS TIME.
THEY PUT 'EM SOMEWHERE ELSE, RIGHT? YEAH.
PUT THAT OR ARE YOU A TEACHER? I WAS.
AFTER ALL THIS VIRTUAL YEAH, I SUB OUT AND TUTOR AND DO ALL THAT.
SO I REALLY WOULD TEACH TEACHER RETIREMENT.
I'M OFFICIALLY RETIRED, BUT GOOSE CREEK.
SO AND SO SCHOOL NEEDS YOU TO GO HELP, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
YEAH, IT, I BET SUBBING IS A LOT HARDER.
UM, SUB I DON'T, SORRY, I'M, I SUB THE FIRST SIX WEEKS, WHENEVER I WENT BACK.
'CAUSE A LOT OF THE TEACHERS, UH, TEACHER HAD BREAST CANCER, SO THEY COULDN'T COME BACK AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE, UH, THE SUBS, THE REGULAR SUBS THAT ARE HAVING BEEN, TEACHERS DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO DO THE WEBEX WITH THE VIRTUAL KIDS.
SO THEY NEEDED THE RETIRED TEACHERS THAT KNEW HOW THAT DID IT OVER THE SPRING TO KNOW HOW TO DO IT.
SO I THINK WE'VE GOT THE TECHNICAL THINGS.
CAN HE HEAR MR. MAYO? CAN YOU HEAR US? YES, I CAN HEAR.
I WAS READING THE POWERPOINT THEY SENT TO ME.
MR. MAYO, THERE'S A, WE'RE ON ITEM ONE A AND THERE'S A MOTION FOR MS. MANLEY AND A SECOND FOR MR. BEARD TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 19TH.
I WILL, UH, SECOND THAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A SECOND.
DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR CORRECTIONS? HELLO? YOU GOTTA BE LOUD.
I THINK HE, DO YOU HAVE ANY, MR. MAYO, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR CORRECTIONS? NO, THAT'S OKAY.
ANYBODY HERE? YOU CAN CALL FOR A VOTE.
WE'LL NOW CONSIDER ITEM ONE B APPROVING THE MINUTES OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING HELD ON NOVEMBER 16TH, 2020.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR CORRECTIONS? NOPE.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES FOR NOVEMBER 16TH, 2020.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRY OR YEAH.
[2. DISCUSSIONS]
TO ITEM TWO A, DISCUSS AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION REGARDING POSSIBLE AMENDMENT TO THE BAYTOWN CITY CHARTER ON THE POWERPOINT.AND MS. KAREN WILL TAKE THE LEAD ON THE POWERPOINT.
SO WHAT WE THOUGHT WE'D TRY TO DO IS TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR, TRY TO GET SOME, UM, INPUT, MAYBE SOME VOTES ON WHETHER WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME OF THESE THINGS.
COME BACK WITH USE WITH SOME OF THE ANSWERS THAT YOU REQUESTED LAST TIME.
SO, UM, WE ARE JUST GONNA GET THE SECTION THROUGH SECTION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, MAYBE CHANGES, UM, AND JUST WANTED TO GET YOUR IDEA OF WHETHER OR NOT THAT, THAT YOU WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM.
SO THE FIRST CHANGE THAT I HAVE ON THE POWERPOINT IS A SECTION 22.
THIS WAS THE ONE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TO, UM, UPDATE IN ORDER TO ALLOW COUNSEL TO CONSOLIDATE AND, UM, AND CHANGE OFFICES AND DEPARTMENTS.
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CURRENTLY, IT SAYS ENGINEERING'S A SEPARATE DEPARTMENT.REALLY ENGINEERING IS WITH NOW PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING.
IT'S TWO SEPARATE DEPARTMENTS.
'CAUSE WE COULDN'T CONSOLIDATE THEM.
UM, BUT THE DESIRE WOULD BE TO BE ABLE TO CONSOLIDATE THOSE IF COUNSEL FELT IT WAS APPROPRIATE.
DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT CHANGE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE GO FORWARD? CAN I, CAN I ASK THE QUESTION? SURE.
HOW, HOW IS IT REALLY NECESSARY FOR THE CHARTER TO ACTUALLY NAME THOSE DEPARTMENTS? AND THEY COULDN'T BE SET BY COUNCIL.
THEY CAN BE SET BY COUNCIL, BUT OUR CHARTER'S ALWAYS HAD CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS IN IT.
BUT IS THAT NECESSARY FOR IT TO DO THAT? NO.
SO, SO TO ELIMINATE THIS ISSUE IN THE FUTURE, MIGHT WE OUGHT TO CONSIDER A CHANGE TO THAT ALLOWS COUNSEL TO SET THEM OR RENEW THEM ON A MAYBE A TWO YEAR PERIOD OR SOMETHING? WELL, I THINK THEY COULD DO IT ON, YOU MIGHT WANNA ALLOW THEM TO DO IT EVERY YEAR WHEN THEY SET THE BUDGET.
UM, SO THIS WOULD ALLOW CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS TO BE THERE, BUT IT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO, TO MELD THEM TOGETHER, CONSOLIDATE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO I THINK THIS WOULD ACCOMPLISH THAT.
BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY CHANGE THE WORDING TO, UH, SOMETHING ELSE IF IT'S DESIRED.
MAY I, UH, IF YOU JUST CHANGE IT TO THE LANGUAGE IN THE LAST SENTENCE, THE COUNCIL BY ORDINANCE MAY BE CR MAY CREATE AN ABOLISH OFFICE DEPARTMENTS, AGENCIES, OR OTHER OFFICE DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES ESTABLISHED BY THIS CHARTER.
UM, IS IT, WOULD THAT BE THE NET EFFECT? THAT IS THE NET EFFECT, YES SIR.
WELL, WHAT IF WE STRIKE EVERYTHING TO THE, THE COUNCIL AND BE DONE WITH IT? WE CAN ABSOLUTELY, WE CAN DO THAT AND NOT CREATE ANY DEPARTMENTS AND JUST SAY THAT COUNCIL CAN CREATE OUR BOSS DEPARTMENTS.
DIDN'T WE DO THIS MAKE A CHANGE IN THESE, IN THE, NOT IN THE SO DISTANCE FUTURE.
IN 2018, WE AMENDED IT TO UPDATE THE DEPARTMENTS.
'CAUSE THERE'S SOME OUTDATED DEPARTMENTS IN THERE.
SO WE UPDATED IT TO THE CURRENT DEPARTMENTS AND THEN AS SOON AS WE DID THAT IN 2019, WE DECIDED WE WANTED TO CONSOLIDATE DEPARTMENTS.
AND SO, UM,
I THINK WE'LL BE CHASING OUR TAIL FOREVER.
'CAUSE EVERY TIME THEY WANNA COME UP WITH A NEW DEAL, WE'LL HAVE TO BE DOING SOMETHING.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, WHY NOT JUST LET THEM DON'T STOP CHINKY BY CHARTER AND LET THEM DO THE DEAL.
A ANOTHER COMMENT AFTER MR. MAYO, NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE A GOOD THING TO REQUIRE THE POLICE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS TO BE IN THE CHARTER.
WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT A POINT THERE.
IT IS POSSIBLE YOU GET A UNUSUAL SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES AND THE CITY CO I DON'T THINK ALL THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD VOTE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU MAY WANT TO PROTECT AGAINST THAT.
IN OTHER WORDS, MANDATE SOME, BUT NOT ALL.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU START GETTING INTO THAT, YOU PROBABLY GOTTA START THINKING ABOUT WHICH ONES YOU WOULDN'T WANT 'EM TO GET RID OF.
RIGHT NOW, AS IT SAYS, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY, IT LOOKS LIKE, TO ME, TO ABOLISH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IF THEY WANTED TO, RIGHT? NO, BECAUSE IT SAYS OTHER THAN THOSE OFFICES, DEPARTMENTS, AND THE AGENCIES ESTABLISHED BY THE CHARTER, OTHER THAN THOSE, OKAY, I THOUGHT SO THEN KIND OF OTHER OFFICES FIRST PART.
RIGHT? WELL, UNLESS YOU CHANGE THAT LAST PART JUST TO ALLOW COUNSEL BY ORDINANCE MAY CREATE AND ABOLISH OFFICES, DEPARTMENTS, AND AGENCIES, PERIOD.
I SEE ON ONE HAND YOU'D LIKE 'EM TO BE ABLE TO JUST CREATE THE ONES THEY WANT, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE ABOUT BEING CONCERNED.
YOU GET SOMETHING WEIRD GOING ON AND SOMEBODY JUST MAKES A MOTION TO ABOLISH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I MEAN, THAT'D BE A POLITICAL NIGHTMARE I WOULD THINK FOR THE CITY COUNCIL.
BUT, SO MAYBE YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE THEM THAT, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW.
STRANGER THINGS HAVE HAPPENED.
I, I DON'T THINK IT'S UNUSUAL THOUGH TO HAVE DEPARTMENTS ESTABLISHED BY THE CHARTER.
RIGHT? I MEAN, OURS IS ALWAYS, THERE'S OTHER, OTHER CHARTERS THAT DO HAVE DEPARTMENTS IN THEIR CHARTER AS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE SOME, UM, CREATED BY THE CHARTER.
SO DO YOU HAVE THE ORIGINAL MM-HMM
WOULD THESE BE ALL THE ONES THAT WE CAN THINK OF THAT WOULD, WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE MANDATORY? UH, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE 48 CHARTER REAL QUICK AND LOOK AT IT.
IT ESTABLISHES FINANCE, POLICE, FIRE, LAW, PUBLIC WORKS, HEALTH AND RECREATION, AND WATER.
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WELL, YOU COULD ALSO LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE OF IT.IS THERE ANY REASON THAT WE, I MEAN, MANDATING POLICE AND FIRE IS A PRETTY BIG DEAL, BUT DO WE NEED TO MANDATE THAT THEY CAN'T ABOLISH THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY SERVICES? IF, IF MAYBE SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE GIVING 'EM PERMISSION TO DO THAT ONE.
BUT I'M KIND OF WARMING TO THE IDEA THAT WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO ABOLISH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY CAN'T DO IT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT IN PRACTICE THEY CAN LIKE PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING.
WE DON'T, WE HAVEN'T CHANGED THE CHARTER, BUT RIGHT.
EXCEPT IT'S JUST KIND OF CLUMSY.
SO THIS ISN'T A REQUIRED CHANGE.
'CAUSE WE HAVE BEEN MAKING AS BLOODY POINTS OUT, WE HAVE BEEN MAKING THIS WORK.
IT'S JUST TWO DEPARTMENTS UNDER ONE PERSON.
SO IT'S A, IT'S LIKE A SUPER DIRECTOR WITH TWO DEPARTMENTS UNDERNEATH US.
WE'RE JUST THINKING THAT IF WE WANTED TO CLEAN UP SOMETHING, THIS COULD BE SOMETHING THAT POSSIBLY COULD BE CLEANED UP.
THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, HER, UH, SHE'S TERMED AS A RECORDER.
UM, THE LAW DEPARTMENT OF LAW IS ALREADY IN THE CHARTER AS WELL.
UM, I THINK THOSE ARE THE ONLY OTHER TWO THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE CHARTER.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CONSOLIDATION LANGUAGE.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T WANNA GET IN A POSITION WHERE EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS WE'RE COMING BACK AND HAVING TO MAKE A CHARTER CHANGE TO SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER MAKE IT ON THE OTHER HAND, TAKING OUT EVERYTHING ABOVE THAT LAST SENTENCE COULD RAISE A WHOLE BUNCH OF ISSUES.
LIKE MR. MAYO SAID, WHEN DO YOU, WHERE DO YOU START CHOOSING IT? SEEMS LIKE IT MIGHT.
AND AGAIN, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO BE CHANGED.
SO IF YOU ALL DECIDE NOT TO TAKE ACTION, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE, WE'LL, WE'LL OPERATE AS WE CURRENTLY ARE.
I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT ONE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO JUST HOW BIG A CHANCE IT WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD E THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD WANT TO COME IN AND ABOLISH THE POLICE OR FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHICH WE WOULD.
NORMAL CITIZENS PROBABLY WOULDN'T WANT THAT.
AND IF IT'S IN THE CHARTER, THEY CAN'T DO THAT.
SO NOT I'M WARM ENOUGH THAT IDEA.
THAT'S PROBABLY NOT A BAD IDEA TO HAVE THOSE THINGS NAMED.
NOW I DON'T KNOW ABOUT INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY SERVICES AND STUFF, BUT CERTAINLY POLICE AND FIRE.
BUT LIKE I SAID, WHEN YOU START PICKING AND CHOOSING, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN ABOLISHED.
YEAH, BUT WELL, I I CAN THINK OF A PRETTY INTERESTING ONE WAS SOMEBODY GETS REALLY MAD AT OUR CITY CLERK AND THEY CAN'T FIRE THEM BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT AS THE CITY MANAGER.
'CAUSE ONLY ONE PROBABLY CAN FIRE THE CLERK.
UH, THEY JUST DO AWAY WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
YEAH, WE PROBABLY NEED, EXCEPT THE CLERK HAS ALREADY ESTABLISHED ONE OF THOSE ESTABLISHED IN THE CHARTER ALREADY.
THAT WOULD BE HAVING, IF YOU HAVE LIKE PUBLIC IT WORKS OR SOMETHING, THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM.
'CAUSE THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE, IF WE STRUCK THAT OUT OF THERE, THEN THAT WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED AND THEY WOULD, COULD DO AWAY WITH THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING THAT AS LONG AS IT'S THERE, WE KNOW THEY CAN'T GET RID OF IT NO MATTER HOW MAD EVERYBODY IS AT, EVERYBODY MAD AT ME ALL THE TIME.
BUT I, I'M A LITTLE BIT WORRIED ABOUT FOOLING WITH IT, GETTING INTO A BIG CAN OF WORMS ABOUT WHICH ONE? YOU, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT CERTAIN ONES MANDATED RIGHT NOW AND TRYING TO PICK WHICH ONES TO DO AND DON'T.
I THINK THAT'D BE A PRETTY TOUGH CHORE.
I I I THINK WE SHOULD JUST LEAVE LIKE THE CHANGE, THE CHANGE THAT'S IN RED.
MAKE THOSE CHANGE RIGHT THERE.
THE CHANGES THAT ARE IN RED MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
SO DO Y'ALL WANNA TAKE A A VOTE? DO WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THIS? OR DO WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL NEXT ONE WHEN PEOPLE ARE HERE? IT'S UP TO YOUR Y'ALL'S VOTE.
WE, UM, MAKE THE CHANGE AS LISTED.
AS NOTED ON, THIS IS A, THIS IS A MOTION TO SEND THIS TO COUNSEL AS A CHARTER POSSIBILITY.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO UM, ACCEPT THESE CHANGES TO SECTION 22 AS
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NOTED IN THE POWERPOINT.IS THAT FINE? AND MOVE IT ON AS A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL.
AND MOVE THEM ON AS A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED I DIDN'T HEAR.
WAIT, WHY NEED YOU DO LOUDER? OH, I DON'T KNOW.
THOUGHT YOU WAS RAISING HIS HAND.
OKAY, SO THE NEXT ITEM ON YOUR POWERPOINT IS SECTION 29 OF OUR CHARTER.
WE DISCUSSED THIS BRIEFLY THAT WE COULD ADD IN.
'CAUSE WE HAVE TWO THINGS THAT REQUIRE MULTIPLE PUBLIC HEARINGS OR MULTIPLE READINGS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE OUR FRANCHISES TAKES THREE READINGS.
THE SECOND IS OUR ANNEXATION REQUIRE TWO READINGS.
SO THIS IS JUST HOW YOU PASS ORDINANCES AND IT'S JUST INADVERTENTLY LEFT OUT THE ABOUT THE, UM, ANNEXATION.
BUT AS I RECALL LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THERE WASN'T MUCH EXCITEMENT ABOUT GOING FORWARD WITH THIS.
WE CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THE LAW.
IT'S NOT A, NOT A BIG DEAL ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
UM, SO WITH THAT, WE JUST WANTED TO SEE WHETHER, IF THIS WAS OF INTEREST TO CONTINUE TALKING ABOUT OR IF WE JUST WANNA LEAVE IT ALONE AND MOVE FORWARD.
WHAT DOES THE LAW SAY? WE HAVE TO DO NOW? WE HAVE TO HAVE MULTIPLE, UM, COUNSEL HEARS SEVERAL ORDINANCES SEVERAL TIMES.
AND THAT WOULD BE YOUR ANNEXATIONS IN YOUR FRANCHISES.
SO THIS JUST REFERENCES ONE 17, WHICH IS YOUR FRANCHISES.
IT DOESN'T REFERENCE SECTION NINE, WHICH TALKS ABOUT THE ANNEXATIONS.
BUT REGARDLESS IF IT'S HERE OR NOT, WE CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THE LAW AND DO TWO READINGS OF OUR ANNEXATION ORDINANCES.
THE QUESTION IS WHETHER WE JUST WANTED TO CLEAN IT UP, BUT YOU WANTED ADD TWO READINGS OF ANNEXATION? 'CAUSE IT'S NOT IN THERE EVEN THOUGH YOU DO IT.
BUT WE NEED TO ADD IT IN THERE.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST OMITTED HERE.
IT'S, IT'S ELSEWHERE, BUT HERE IT JUST DIDN'T PICK UP THAT CHANGE WE GOT HERE.
OH, IT HAS KEEP YOU HOUSEKEEPING, I THINK TO BE CONSISTENT.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S NOT TAKEN AWAY ANY READINGS? NO, NO, NO SIR.
NO, BUT IT'S IN THE CHARTER NOW WHERE IT WASN'T, IT WAS JUST LAW, BUT IT WASN'T WRITTEN IN HERE.
DON'T WE SAY AS REQUIRED BY LAW SOMEWHERES IN THERE? I CAN'T READ.
SO EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE PROVIDED IN SECTION ONE 17 OF THIS CHARTER, IT SHALL NOT BE NECESSARY TO THE VALIDITY OF AN ORDINANCE THAT IT SHALL BE READ MORE THAN ONE TIME OR CONSIDERED MORE THAN ONCE.
AND SO, UM, THAT'S WHY WE'RE SAYING NO, THAT'S REALLY NOT TRUE FOR FRANCHISES, WHICH IS ONE 17 OR I'M FINE WITH MAKING THAT CHANGE ANNEXATIONS.
I'M FINE WITH MAKING THE CHANGE.
I MEAN IT, I WOULD THINK THAT'S A GOOD CHANGE BECAUSE IT MAKES IT EVEN EASIER FOR OUR CITIZENS TRYING TO READ AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON TO KNOW THAT THERE IS ANOTHER SECTION THAT THAT'S MENTIONED IN.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MAKE THE CHANGE AS WRITTEN HERE.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THESE CHANGES FOR, UM, SECTION 29.
AS NOTED, WE, WE NEED A SECOND, A RECOMMENDATION.
I MOVE IT ON AS A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL.
SO THE NEXT SECTION IS SECTION 25.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME.
WE MET TOGETHER ABOUT WHEN A COUNCIL MEMBER ACTUALLY TAKES OFFICE.
AND SO THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ABOUT WHEN THEY DO.
SO WE, UH, REACHED OUT AS REQUESTED, UM, TO, UH, THREE FORMER CITY ATTORNEYS OF BAYTOWN.
AND THEY ALL READ IT THE SAME WAY AS MR. MAYO READ IT.
UM, AND IT'S COUNSEL SHALL MEET AT THE COUNCIL.
IT WOULD BE, THEY DON'T TAKE OFFENSE UNTIL THEY GET SWORN IN AND IT'D BE A MEETING AFTER THE CANVAS AT THE REGULAR PLACE WHERE THEY MEET.
SO FOR INSTANCE, WE JUST HAD AN ELECTION.
WE HAVE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT CAN BE SWORN IN, BUT THEY WON'T ACTUALLY ASSUME THEIR DUTIES UNTIL THEIR JANUARY MEETING.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE NEXT MEETING THAT'S GONNA BE HELD HERE AT CITY HALL.
NOW LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS THEN.
THAT MEANS THEY CAN WIN THE ELECTION.
YOU CAN CANVAS THE VOTE, BUT IF THERE'S A TIMEFRAME BETWEEN THE, AND I DON'T KNOW, IS THE CANVAS OF THE DEVOTE ACT MANDATED WHEN THAT HAS TO TAKE PLACE IN TERMS OF A MEETING OF THE COUNCIL? YES, SIR.
NOW LET ME ASK THE QUESTION AND YOU TELL ME WHETHER THIS CAN HAPPEN OR NOT.
SO THAT MEANS IF YOU CANVAS THE VOTE, THERE COULD NOT BE ANOTHER COUNCIL MEETING PRIOR TO THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBER TAKING HIS PLACE.
IF THAT COUNCIL MEMBER DOES NOT TAKE HIS OATH OF OFFICE, THERE COULD BE.
BUT THEY, THEY OBVIOUSLY COULD TAKE THE OATH OFFICE STANDING OUT IN THE HALL OR SOMETHING.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR.
THAT THEY CANVAS THE BOATS, THEY ACCEPT THE BOATS RIGHT THEN AND THERE.
IF THEY STEP OUT IN THE HALL AND TAKE THEIR OATH, THEN THEY CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
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YES, THAT'S CORRECT.AT HELD AT THE REGULAR PLACE, WHICH WOULD BE HERE AT CITY HALL.
AND THE, THE TIME THEY CANVASSED THE, THE VOTES, IS THAT CONSIDERED A MEETING OF THE COUNCIL OR IS THAT A SPECIAL DEAL? SPECIAL? SO IT'S A SPECIAL MEETING.
UH, IT ONLY TAKES TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS TO CANVAS THE VOTES BY LAW.
WHAT I'M OBVIOUSLY GETTING AT IS WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS PERSON GETS ELECTED THEN BEFORE THEY, AFTER THEY'VE WON THAT THEY COULDN'T HAVE ANOTHER MEETING WITHOUT THEM.
IF THEY WANTED TO PARTICIPATE, ALL THEY GOTTA DO IS GO TAKE THE OATH IN THE HALLWAY.
SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, NOW WE HAVE A MEETING TO CANVAS THE RESULTS ON THE 21ST.
THE EXISTING COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE FORMER, NOT THE NEW ONES.
THE CURRENT ONES ARE GOING TO PRESIDE AT THAT MEETING.
SO THE MEETING AFTER THE CANVAS, ONCE IT'S HELD HERE AT CITY HALL, THAT'S WHEN THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN ASSUME OFFICE PROVIDED THAT THEY HAVE QUALIFIED BY SIGNING THE OATH.
AND THERE'S NOTHING CAN TAKE PLACE AT THAT CANVASSING MEETING, BUT JUST CANVASSING THE VOTES.
UM, THERE COULD BE OTHER THINGS THAT HAPPENED AT THAT CANVAS MEETING.
IF I HAVE A OR IF, IF WE HAVE A QUORUM.
IF WE HAVE A QUORUM, WELL THAT MIGHT BE A CONCERN.
IF WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP MISCHIEF AWAY, THEY COULD CANVAS THE BOATS.
BUT STILL, IF THEY CANVAS THE BOATS, AS SOON AS THAT'S DONE, IF THERE'S A COUNCILMAN THAT WINS AND THEY'RE THERE, ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS TAKE THE OATH RIGHT THEN.
AND THEN THEY PARTICIPATE IN THE REMAINDER OF THE MEETING.
IT'S THE MEETING AFTER THE CANVAS.
SO NO, IT WOULDN'T BE THAT MEETING.
SO IN THIS CASE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MEETING ON THE 21ST.
THERE WILL BE SOME, UH, ITEMS ON THAT AGENDA BESIDES JUST THE CANVAS.
BUT THOSE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL NOT TAKE OFFICE AND SIT AT THE DAAS UNTIL THE COUNCIL MEETING CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR THE 14TH OF JANUARY.
IF THERE'S ANOTHER MEETING THAT'S HELD HERE AT CITY HALL BETWEEN THAT CANVAS MEETING AND THE 14TH, THOSE NEW OFFICERS WOULD SIT AT THAT MEETING SO LONG AS THEY HAVE TAKEN THE OATH OF OFFICE.
WELL, THAT TO ME COULD BE PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE THEN YOU'D HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN ELECTED, WON THE, WON THE ELECTION, BUT THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED.
THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBER IS VERY INTERESTED IN AT THE CANVAS MEETING.
AND THAT NEW COUNCIL MEMBER WHO WON WOULDN'T GET TO TAKE PLACE IN THAT VOTE.
Y'ALL SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT? YEAH.
THAT SOUND LIKE IT COULD INTEREST OCCUR.
HOW, HOW OFTEN ARE THERE OTHER, SO YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S GONNA BE A MAJORITY CANVASING THAT'S GONNA BE REMAINING ON THE COUNCIL ANYWAY.
UM, THERE'LL BE A, I DON'T YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH.
HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE ENOUGH SELF-GOVERNANCE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE ELSE REALLY WANTS TO HEAR AND THAT NEW COUNCIL MEMBER SAYS, NO, I REALLY WANNA VOTE ON THAT.
UM, HOPEFULLY THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD, I MEAN, HOW MANY TIMES HAS THAT HAPPENED? RIGHT? NEVER.
SO YOU COULD POSSIBLY, LET ME PUT A SCENARIO OUT THERE.
YOU COULD HAVE, FOR INSTANCE, THERE MIGHT BE A TAX INCREASE ON THAT AGENDA THAT NIGHT THAT THE INCOMING COUNCILMAN WHO'S BEEN ELECTED AS OPPOSED TO, BUT THE OUTGOING COUNCILMAN WOULD VOTE FOR TYPICALLY EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT A CAMPUS MEETING.
UM, SO AGAIN, WE'VE NEVER HAD THE ISSUE.
THERE ARE GONNA BE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE I LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DECLARE THE RESULTS.
AND YOU CAN ONLY DO THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A FULL, UH, COUNSEL.
IN THE PAST, SINCE 2010, WE HAVE HAD ONE MEETING IN NOVEMBER, WHICH IS WHERE WE CANVAS AND HANDLE ALL OF OUR BUSINESS.
TYPICALLY, WE CANVAS, WE DECLARE WE HANDLE A MEETING.
AND THEN THE FIRST MEETING IN DECEMBER IS WHEN THEY COME IN AND THEY SIT BECAUSE THAT'S THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING.
RUNOFFS, BECAUSE OF THE, OF THE HOLIDAYS, YOU KNOW, THEIR NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING IS JANUARY.
WE'VE ALWAYS HAD, YOU KNOW, A SENSE OF, OF DECORUM.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S IN, IN MY EXPERIENCE, THE, THE ONE TIME THAT IT, THAT IT WAS AN ISSUE, IT WASN'T THAT THEY WANTED TO SIT AT THAT MEETING, IT'S THAT THEY WANTED TO SIT AT THE NEXT REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING WITHOUT HAVING THE CEREMONY OF SWITCHING CHAIRS.
SO IT WASN'T, I WANNA SIT IN THIS MEETING, IT WAS, HEY, I DON'T WANNA SWITCH CHAIRS WITH THE INCUMBENT, UH, AT THE DECEMBER MEETING.
SO I JUST WANNA BE UP AT THE DAAS.
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EXAMPLE THAT WAS JUST BROUGHT UP IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF THING THAT I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT.THAT SOMEBODY GETS ELECTED ON NOT INCREASING THE TAXES, THEY GET ELECTED AND THEN THERE'S A TAX INCREASE BEFORE THEY TAKE OFFICE.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THAT YOU'RE TELLING ME RIGHT NOW THAT THAT IS A POSSIBILITY.
SO REALLY INCREASE OF TAXES WOULD BE WITH THE BUDGET AND THAT'S IN OCTOBER.
SO A MEETING IN JANUARY OR DECEMBER WOULD HAVE NO EFFECT.
THERE WOULD NEVER BE A TAX INCREASE IF YOU'RE TALKING AVALOR TAXES.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE SIGNIFICANT.
LIKE OBVIOUSLY TAXES WILL BE SIGNIFICANT.
BUT THERE COULD BE BUSINESS CONDUCTED AFTER THE CANVAS THAT THE NEWLY ELECTED COUNCILMAN WOULD NOT GET TO VOTE ON, EVEN THOUGH THAT PERSON IS ELECTED.
EVEN THOUGH THEY TAKE THE OFFICE.
BECAUSE THEY DON'T TAKE OFFICE TILL THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING.
IF THE CANNABIS HAS A QUORUM, NOT JUST TWO.
IF IT HAD A QUORUM, YOU CAN BET IF THERE'S A BIG ENOUGH ISSUE OUT THERE, THERE, THERE CERTAINLY WOULD BE A QUORUM BECAUSE YOU HAVE A HARD FOUGHT ELECTION.
IT'S ALL ABOUT SOME NOW TAXES IS A PRETTY GOOD IDEA AND WE KNOW THAT WON'T WORK.
BUT SAY IT'S SOMETHING ELSE, I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING.
THIS PERSON WINS AND DEFEATS AN INCUMBENT BASED ON BEING AGAINST SOMETHING.
AND THAT IS ON THE AGENDA AFTER THE CANVAS AND THERE'S A VOTE.
NOW I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT WOULD EVER HAPPEN, BUT IF IT HAPPENED AND WE HAD A WAY TO PREVENT IT, THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT.
BUT NOW I'M NOT SAYING WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE GIVES US A WAY TO PREVENT THAT.
BUT YOU COULD CERTAINLY SEE THE ISSUE.
YEAH, I MEAN I UNDERSTAND THAT.
DOES THE, DOES THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT OR THE STAFF HAVE ANY SUGGESTION OF WHAT WE COULD DO THAT CHANGES THAT OTHER THAN JUST SAY THEY TAKE IT AFTER THE CANVAS AND TAKING THE OATH, THEY COULD SIT IN ON THE REMAINDER OF THAT MEETING AFTER THE CANVAS TYPE THING? OR, OR WHAT AGAIN, IT HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE, SO WE HAVEN'T, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY SUGGESTED LANGUAGE.
BUT IT ALSO CAN BE TABLED BY A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL.
IF, IF AN INCUMBENT CAME TO THE MEETING AND SAID, I'D LIKE YOU ALL TO TABLE THIS UNTIL, OR SUSPEND IT UNTIL THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING, I WOULD THINK THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD HONOR THAT REQUEST KNOWING THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK WITH THAT PERSON IN THE FUTURE.
ALSO, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WE WOULD EVER STICK A ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
THE STAFF WOULDN'T, THE CITY MANAGER WOULDN'T STICK AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA THAT IS REALLY CONTENTIOUS BEFORE ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER COULD, COULD VOTE.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU BELIEVE THERE ARE OTHER SAFEGUARDS BE IN PLACE? I BELIEVE THAT IT HASN'T HAPPENED.
I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE, THAT STAFF WISE THERE ARE, COULD THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS REQUEST SOMETHING TO BE PUT ON? ABSOLUTELY.
COULD A COUNCIL MEMBER COME UP AND SAY, NO, THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT AND THE COUNCIL COULD HONOR THAT OR NOT? THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
ALSO, COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO RECONSIDER AN ITEM THAT IS PREVIOUSLY CONSIDERED IF THEY GET A MAJORITY VOTE AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
SO IF SOMETHING DID GO AWRY THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER COULD ASK FOR IT TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA AGAIN.
AND IF A MAJORITY SAID YES, LET'S RECONSIDER THIS, THEN THEY COULD RECONSIDER THE ITEM.
THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BIGGEST PROTECTION RIGHT THERE.
HOW MANY DOES IT TAKE FOR A COUNCIL MEMBER TO PUT AN AGENDA ON THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA? THREE.
AND SO TYPICALLY IN THESE ELECTIONS, WE ONLY HAVE TWO COUNCILMEN BEING REELECTED AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
WE DIDN'T HAVE THE RUNOFF, WE HAD JUST TWO THIS TIME.
'CAUSE WE HAD THE RUNOFF TYPICALLY THREE AND ONE.
'CAUSE THEN YOU COULD HAVE A NEW SET OF THREE COUNCILMEN COME IN ALL OF IN FORM OF ONE ISSUE.
AND THERE'RE THE MAYHEM STARTS.
I THINK THAT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THIS TOO FAR, AND MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE FUTURE COUNCILS TALK ABOUT DOING THIS, UH, IS THAT THEY COULD THEN AT THAT FOLLOWING MEETING BRING UP A RECONSIDERATION OF ANYTHING THEY PASSED BEFORE AND THEY CAN'T PASS ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT WITHOUT TWO READINGS.
THE ONLY THING THAT TAKES MORE THAN ONE READING ARE YOUR ANNEXATIONS AND YOUR FRANCHISES.
WELL, AND, AND THEN, BUT I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE TAX ISSUE THAT HAD COME UP, BUT THE BUDGET.
SO EVEN THOUGH THERE IS AN ISSUE FOR MISCHIEF, THERE, THERE IS SOME REDRESS THAT WOULD EXIST, NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO, UH, THERE'S NOT MUCH THAT COULD GO ON THAT CAN'T BE
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FIXED IF IT WENT SOUTH.AND ANY ORDINANCE THAT PROPOSES A FEE OR A PENALTY OF ANY SORT TAKES EFFECT 10 DAYS AFTER THE, THE MEETING WHERE IT WAS PASSED.
AND SO IT'S A POSSIBLE, IF THEY WANTED TO HOLD A SPECIAL MEETING TO HAVE THAT NEVER COME EFFECTIVE, THEY COULD HOLD A SPECIAL MEETING AND RECONSIDER IT AND, AND QUASH IT AT THAT TIME.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE.
SO IS THERE ANY UPSIDE TO CHANGING THIS? I WAS JUST CONCERNED ABOUT MISCHIEF AND, AND A KIND OF, NOT THE, THAT WE COULDN'T SAY A TAX ISSUE.
BUT THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING I WAS WORRIED ABOUT.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME AT LEAST WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, THERE IS REDRESS FOR IT.
IF THE THREE NEW COUNCILMEN COME IN AND IT'S, IT'S SOME KIND OF BIG FIGHT OVER JUST THOSE THREE IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING, THEY CERTAINLY, THE THREE OF THEM CAN CALL A SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING, CAN REQUEST ONE.
SO THEY COULD THEN RE GO TOGETHER.
WELL, YEAH, BUT THEY, WHAT IF THOSE, THOSE THREE GUYS AREN'T CONSIDERED PART OF THE COUNCIL UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING THOUGH? SO THEY COULDN'T DO THAT.
COULD THEY? IT WOULD BE A MEETING.
THEY CAN'T CALL A MEETING UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING AND THERE'S, 'CAUSE THEY DON'T SERVE TILL THE NEXT MEETING.
BUT ALSO THE CITY MANAGER CAN, CAN PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.
SO I'M IMAGINE IF THREE OF HIS NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS WANT SOMETHING, THE CITY MANAGER'S GONNA PUT IT ON AND THEN THEY WOULD ATTEND THE MEETING.
AND THEN THAT WOULD BE THE MEETING AT WHICH THEY WOULD BE FIRST QUALIFIED TO SERVE.
PROVIDE, THEY'VE TAKEN THEIR OATH.
WELL, I, I STILL THINK IT'S AN ISSUE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S, THAT WE SHOULD WORRY ABOUT TRYING TO FIX IT RIGHT HERE.
I I DON'T THINK, I MEAN A LOT OF TIMES IT'S, IT'S THREE PEOPLE, BUT A LOT OF TIMES THOSE THREE ELECTIONS ARE NOT ALWAYS NEW PEOPLE.
AM I RIGHT? SO THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THEN THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE HOLDOVER STATUS UNTIL THEY VOTE.
IT'S BE A HOLDOVER THAT WOULD GET A VOTE ANYWAY.
WELL, LIKE I SAID, IT, IT, IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY MAYBE FOR MISCHIEF, BUT I, NUMBER ONE, IT'S HIGHLY LIKELY NOT TO HAPPEN.
BUT WE'VE SEEN SOME THINGS HAPPEN IN THE LAST FEW YEARS WITH OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT PEOPLE WOULD'VE NEVER THOUGHT WOULD'VE HAPPENED.
BUT THERE IS REDRESS BECAUSE ONCE THE COUNCIL HAS ITS NEXT MEETING, ANY NEW INCUMBENT OR ANY NEW COUNCIL MEMBER COULD, COULD PUT IT ON THE AGENDA IF THERE WERE THREE PEOPLE IN FAVOR OF IT TO RECONSIDER IT.
NOW, IF THERE WEREN'T THREE PEOPLE IN FAVOR OF IT, IT WOULDN'T MATTER ANYWAY BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T CHANGE IT.
THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE VOTES POSSIBLE.
SO I GUESS THAT'S A SELF-REGULATING PROVISION THERE.
I I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER DOWNSIDE WOULD BE IT WOULD, IT IS KIND IF AS IT IS NOW, IT ELIMINATES AN INCOMING COUNCIL PERSON FROM CONDUCTING ANY BUSINESS AS AN OFFICIAL REPRESENTATIVE OF THEIR DISTRICT UNTIL THAT NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE BEEN DULY ELECTED AND CAN AND CANVASSED JUST LIKE PRESIDENT ELECT.
I MEAN THEY'RE STILL, THEY'RE GONNA ASSUME THE OFFICE.
COUNSEL, AS I SAID LAST TIME, REALLY CAN'T ACT OUTSIDE 'CAUSE THE OAK ONLY CAN ACT AS A BODY.
I MEAN, LEGALLY THEY CAN ONLY ACT AS A BODY.
SO THEY CAN GO AROUND AND THEY CAN COLLECT ALL THE INFORMATION.
THEY CAN TALK TO ALL THEIR CONSTITUENTS, THEY CAN DO ALL THAT.
BUT COUNSEL CAN ONLY ACT AS A BODY TO APPROVE SOMETHING.
SO WHEN THEY COME AS A BODY AT THAT NEXT MEETING, THEN THEY CAN, THEN THEY'LL BE ASSUMING THEIR OFFICE AND, AND ACTING AS A COUNCIL MEMBER.
WHO WERE THE THREE ATTORNEYS THAT WE COULD ASK FOR? KEN, THE THREE FORMER CITY ATTORNEYS BEFORE ME.
IGNACIO, RAMIREZ, RANDY STRONG AND SCOTT, UM, BOUNDS.
SO BASICALLY I, THAT WAS THE ONE BROUGHT IT UP AND I STILL SEE AN ISSUE WITH IT, BUT I, I WOULD NOT, I'M NOT IN A POSITION THAT I WOULD FEEL LIKE PUSHING IT ANY FURTHER RIGHT NOW.
BUT IT'S SET THERE DEFINITELY SOMETHING I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I WILL DISCUSS WITH THE I IN MY WHO WON MY ELECTION, EVEN THOUGH HE DIDN'T APPOINT ME, I'M CERTAINLY GONNA BRING IT TO HIS ATTENTION AND SAY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, IF YOU FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THIS, THE NEXT TIME THE CHARTER REVIEW COMES ABOUT, Y'ALL GOTTA DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.
BUT, SO YOU NEED TO CALL FOR VOTE.
I DON'T LIKE THE ABILITY, BECAUSE WE COULD DEPEND ON THE GOOD NATURE OF THE CITY MANAGER AND WE CAN DEPEND ON THE THREE OTHER CON THE TWO OTHER, CON OTHER INCUMBENT AND ALL THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU JUST NEED TO HAVE IT.
SO THERE'S NOT A WAY TO HAVE MISCHIEF LIKE THIS.
AND CERTAINLY THIS COULD EXIST.
LIKE I SAID, YOU COULD THEN COME IN AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AND RECONSIDER IT.
BUT THAT'D BE A LOT OF WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE BY THEN.
BE A LOT OF STUFF TO DEAL WITH.
BUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN, WE NEED TO CLEAR IT UP LIKE RIGHT NOW.
SO DO WE NEED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES NOW OR WE'RE GONNA
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WAIT.SO I THINK WE'RE, LET ME THROW ANOTHER ONE THERE.
I, I DON'T LIKE LEAVING THINGS UP ON HOPE OR WHAT THEY MAY DO OR THEY MIGHT NOT DO BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON WITH VARIOUS COUNCILS.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IF WE HAVE HAVE AN ELECTION NOVEMBER WE HAVE, AND THE VOTES ARE CANVASED AND WE HAVE A HURRICANE MOVE IN AND WE'RE SHUT DOWN FOR BUSINESS FOR THE NEXT THREE MONTHS.
AND WHO, WHO'S IN, WHO'S THE OFFICE HOLDER IF YOU HAVE A HURRICANE AND THE CITY SHUTS DOWN MM-HMM
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T STILL HOLD MEETINGS.
WELL, I'M JUST, IT'S KIND OF OPEN-ENDED.
THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I'M OKAY WITH ACTUALLY TABLING THIS RIGHT NOW AND, AND BRINGING IT TO DISCUSSION.
IT KIND OF, IT, IT LEAVES A VERY GRAY AREA IN THERE.
SO THE ONLY THING I'M GONNA SAY IS IT'S HELPFUL AND IT'S CLEAN RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU WON'T HAVE A FIST.
THE CUFFS OF PEOPLE TRYING TO GET SWORN IN AT THE SAME MEETING IN WHICH WE CANVAS AND IT'S UNDERSTOOD THAT WE'RE GONNA FINISH UP HERE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA INTERRUPT MEETINGS OR BUSINESS AND YOU'RE GONNA TAKE OFFICE OR YOU'RE GONNA BE UP AT THE DIAZ AT THE NEXT MEETING.
WE'RE OPENING UP AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MORE MISCHIEF OR MORE ISSUES IF WE A, ALLOW PEOPLE TO, IN THE MIDDLE OF A, AN EXISTING MEETING, STOP AND MOVE PEOPLE OUT.
THERE'S MORE, THERE'S MORE DECORUM AND THERE, IT'S A, IT'S AN EASIER TRANSITION IF WE CAN FINISH HERE AND THEN START WITH THE NEW CANCEL HERE INSTEAD OF BREAKING UP AN EXISTING MEETING TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE HAD CAMPUSES IN THE PAST THAT HAPPENED LIKE AT 10 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND OR IN THE DAYTIME THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE COUNCIL MEETINGS.
WE'VE HAD VOTING CANVASES AFTER ELECTIONS THAT OCCURRED.
THAT WAS JUST ONE OR TWO HAPPENED AT 10, 11 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
I DISTINCTLY REMEMBER THOSE CANVAS GOING ON, HAVEN'T WE? YES.
UH, ANOTHER, ANOTHER WAY TO RESOLVE THIS IS JUST THINKING OUT LOUD,
UM, IS WE COULD ALWAYS CANVAS THAT MEETING COULD BE CLOSED AND A NEW MEETING COULD BE OPENED AND WE COULD HAVE A REGULAR MEETING RIGHT AFTER THE CANVAS.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING, WHAT IF YOU CHANGED SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE CANVASSING MEETING? WOULD IT BE HUMANLY POSSIBLE TO SAY THE ONLY ISSUE THAT COULD BE PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE CANVASSING WOULD BE THE CANVASSING.
SO THEY WOULD CANVAS AND THEN DISMISS THAT MEETING.
IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING TO DO CHANGES, THEN THE NEW GUYS WOULD BE THERE.
OR IS THERE SOME REASON YOU HAVE TO HAVE OTHER BUSINESS DONE AT THE CANVASSING MEETING SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO, BUT THEN YOU'RE TYING THE CITY'S HANDS.
UM, AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO GO FORWARD, IF SOMEONE'S NOT ABLE TO, IF WE'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO GO FORWARD AND YOU'VE GOT A, A NEWLY ELECTED PERSON THAT FOR SOME REASON CAN'T BE THERE, UM, WE COULD CONTINUE TO MOVE ON.
I THINK THERE'S WAYS THAT WE CAN ADDRESS IT, BUT WE THINK IT'S REALLY GONNA BE A CONCERN.
'CAUSE I DO THINK YOU COULD HAVE A CANVAS MEETING CLOSE THAT AND HELD A REGULAR OR A SPECIAL MEETING AFTER THAT AS WELL.
SO YOU COULD, YOU COULD ADDRESS IT THAT WAY IF IT WAS AN ISSUE.
BUT TYPICALLY, WELL LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
IN PAST EXPERIENCE, LISA, LYDIA, UH, DO YOU, WHEN WE'VE HAD CANVASSING MEETINGS, DO THEY NORMALLY JUST CANVAS OR DO THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A MEETING AND DO STUFF? WE LIKE TO DECLARE THE RESULTS.
SO THAT TAKES A, THAT TAKES A QUORUM OF THE GOVERNING BODY.
SO TYPICALLY WE TRY TO HAVE A REGULAR, UH, OF AT LEAST A MAJORITY OF COUNSEL THERE.
HAVE WE DONE IT BEFORE WITHOUT ABSOLUTELY.
BECAUSE WE ARE UNDER TIME CONSTRAINTS REQUIRED BY LAW TO CANVAS.
DO WE LIKE TO DO IT THAT WAY? NO.
WE LIKE TO HAVE A FULL OR A MAJORITY OF COUNSEL THERE SO WE CAN TAKE BUSINESS AND ACTUALLY DECLARE THE RESULTS BY RESOLUTION.
ARE YOU REQUIRED TO DECLARE THE RESULTS BEFORE WE ARE YOU REQUIRED TO DECLARE BY LAW TO DECLARE THOSE RESULTS BY ORDER? ARE YOU, SO, SO EVEN IF YOU HAD A CANVAS AND YOU DIDN'T DO THAT, THEY COULDN'T TAKE THEIR OATH BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T DECLARED THE RESULTS.
IS THAT CORRECT? WE DECLARE THE RESULTS.
WE TRIED TO CLEAR IT THEN, BUT WE DECLARED AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO IF YOU HAD A CANVAS AND YOU DIDN'T DECLARE THE RESULTS, THEY COULDN'T TAKE THE OATH ANYWAY 'CAUSE YOU HADN'T DECLARED THE RESULTS.
THE LAW TALKS ABOUT ORDERING THE, IT TALKS ABOUT THE CANVAS AND TALKS ABOUT THE, THE, THE, THE ORDER OF THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION.
SO WE NEED TO HAVE THE RESULTS.
SO, SO WHEN CAN THEY TAKE THE OATH? ANYTIME AFTER THE ELECTION IS CANVAS? AFTER THE, THE CANVAS.
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SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL A COUNCILS MEETING TO TAKE THEIR OATH? NO.BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO SIT UNTIL THE NEXT CALL MEETING.
AND THEY CAN'T DO A, THEY CAN'T DO A TAX MATTER.
THERE'S NOTHING UH, NO ANNEXATION.
WHEN, WHEN, WHEN YOU'VE HAD A CANVAS AND, AND YOU HAVE THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING RIGHT AFTER THAT, AND THE, THE OLD GUARD GUYS ARE STILL THERE.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT KIND OF, MAYBE FROM MEMORY, WHAT KIND OF STUFF THEY'D BE DOING? IT COULD BE APPROVING OF A CONTRACT.
THIS TIME WE'VE GOT ON THE AGENDA POTENTIALLY, UM, A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT.
THOSE AGREEMENTS HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED BY COUNCIL BACK IN MARCH.
THEY THEN HAVE SEVERAL PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WE HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THAT MM-HMM
AND THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH A, UH, FINAL LIMITED PURPOSE ANNEXATION AND ULTIMATE APPROVAL OF THE STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT.
IT, THAT IS MINISTERIAL REALLY, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH SAYS THAT COUNCIL WILL ENTER INTO THIS AGREEMENT AFTER, WELL, I CAN GET ALL THE PUBLIC INPUT, WHICH WE HAVE.
I CAN SEE THE VALUE OF HAVING ADMINISTRATIVE STUFF BEING DONE.
BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, IS THERE ANYTHING WHERE SOMEBODY COULD BE, THERE COULD BE SOME SIGNIFICANT THING THAT PEOPLE WOULD REALLY CARE ABOUT THAT WOULD GET SCREWED UP.
BUT I DON'T THINK YOUR CITY MANAGER WOULD WANNA PUT ANYTHING ON THAT, WOULD DO THAT.
IF YOU HAVE THREE, THREE OUTGOING COUNCILMEN, THEY COULD PUT IT ON, THEY COULD PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
BUT IF THEY'RE LEAVING AND THEY WON'T BE THERE AT THE FOLLOWING MEETING, IT MIGHT NOT GET ANY TRACTION.
WELL, LIKE I SAID, IT COULD ALWAYS BE REVOKED AT THE NEXT MEETING, BUT THERE'D BE LOTS OF WATER, SO TO SPEAK, UNDER THE BRIDGE AND ALL THE BAD FEELINGS AND ALL OF BAD STUFF THAT COULD HAPPEN IF THEY DID SOMETHING CRAZY AT THAT MEETING.
NOW I'M NOT GONNA SAY ANYBODY'S EVER GONNA DO IT, BUT LIKE MY COHORT THERE SAID, YOU HAVING THE POSSIBILITY IS NOT A GOOD THING, IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S EVER GONNA PROBABLY DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
BUT I MEAN, IF, IF WE CAN MAKE IT BETTER SO THAT, THAT IT'S POSSIBLE TO DO THAT, THEN IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA.
BUT I, I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT WE, WE ARE IN, WE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT RIGHT NOW.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A FULL BOARD OF PEOPLE HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT.
UM, WELL IF YOU, IF YOU LIMIT WHAT PEOPLE CAN PUT ON THE AGENDA, THAT LIMITS WHAT COUNCIL CAN DO.
AND, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT LIMITING WHAT, WHAT COULD POSSIBLY OCCUR IN THE CHARTER IS THE BEST OPTION.
YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
BECAUSE THAT PUTS US BACK INTO, WE'RE WE'RE PUTTING, WE'RE WE'RE PUTTING STUFF IN THERE, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK AND FIX.
'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA MISS SOMETHING.
UM, I UNDERSTAND IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE, THE FIREMAN DEAL.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS, I SEE IS YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT GET ELECTED TO MAKE SOME KIND OF CHANGE OR NOT, NOT DO SOME KIND OF CHANGE.
AND THEN THAT CHANGE OR THAT NOT CHANGE TAKES PLACE EVEN THOUGH THEY WON THEIR ELECTION BASED ON THAT.
THAT'S THE PART I, IT'S WEIRD, BUT ADMINISTRATIVELY TYPICALLY WHEN WE'RE DOING A CHANGE, UH, OF GUARD THERE, THE DISCUSSIONS ARE ALREADY HAPPENING OVER, YOU KNOW, WHO YOU KNOW.
HAVING THOSE PEOPLE, MAKING SURE THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH WHAT THE PROCESS AND THE AGENDAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO AFTER WE, AFTER WE CANVAS AND WE, AND WE DECLARE, WE HAVE AN ORIENTATION FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS SO THEY KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT.
WHAT ARE THE ROLES, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THEY TO EXPECT FROM US AND US FROM THEM AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
BRINGING IN SOMEONE WITHOUT ANY KIND OF, OF, OF GUIDANCE OR, OR HELP OR DIRECTION OR, OR EVEN KNOWING WHAT THE RULES ARE, SITTING THEM AT THE DAIS IN THE MIDDLE OF A MEETING.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL.
UM, AND TO ME IT ALLOWS STAFF TO PLAN FROM THE CANVAS MEETING TO THE NEXT MEETING IN THAT TIME PERIOD.
OKAY, WE HAVE TO DO THIS, WE HAVE TO DO THIS, WE HAVE TO GET THEM THIS, THEY HAVE TO KNOW THIS AND, AND IT GIVES US A WEEK OR TWO TO BE ABLE TO PREP THAT, THOSE INCOMING COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THEIR FIRST MEETING.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS AN ISSUE.
WE GIVE THEM ALL SORTS OF TRAINING TOO.
I MEAN, THERE'S ETHICS TRAINING.
THEY NEED TO KNOW BEFORE THEY MAKE ANY DECISIONS.
THERE'S OPEN MEETINGS, THERE'S OPEN, THERE'S PUBLIC INFORMATION, THERE'S ALL THAT, THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE IMMEDIATELY SUBJECT TO THAT HAVE SOME CRIMINAL PENALTIES TOO IF THEY DON'T COMPLY.
SO, SO I THINK FOR ME ADMINISTRATIVELY, THAT LITTLE BREAK, EVEN IF IT'S TWO WEEKS, ALLOWS US TO SIT, PREP, TEACH, TRAIN,
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AND GET THEM READY.SO WHEN THEY DO SIT UP AT THE DAAS, THEY HAVE SOME IDEA OF WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS OF THEM ARE.
I JUST BEING ABLE TO, TO, TO ME, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CANVASSING YOU'RE DECLARED NOW THAT, THAT SETS OFF ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN SO THAT THEY CAN SIT AT THEIR NEXT MEETING AND BE SUCCESSFUL AND, AND JUST, I, I THINK THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO PULL SOMEONE OFF THE DAIS, UM, AFTER THE, THE THINGS ARE DECLARED IT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT OPENS MORE OF AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANTAGONISM THAN THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW.
SO LETY DO THEY, WE CANVAS, WE DECLARE THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
SO, SO SAY THEY DON'T TAKE THEIR OATH UNTIL THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING CAN DO.
THEY SIT ON THE DICE AT THAT MEETING, IS THE OATH AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, AND THEN THEY GO SIT AT THE SEAT.
THEY CAN TAKE THEIR OATH ANYTIME AFTER.
THEY CAN TAKE THEIR OATH ANYTIME AFTER THE CANVAS AND NO, I, I SAID, BUT WHAT IF THEY DON'T TAKE IT UNTIL THAT NEXT COUNCIL MEETING? THEY CAN DO IT SO LONG AS THEY DO IT BEFORE THEY GET UP ON THE DIET.
IS THAT NORMALLY WHAT HA A LOT OF TIMES.
SO TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS WE, WHAT YOU SEE AT, AT THE COUNCIL MEETING IS CEREMONIAL.
WE TEND TO HAVE ALL OF THEIR PA IT'S A STACK OF PAPERWORK THAT THEY HAVE TO SIGN THEIR OATH, THEIR STATEMENT, YOU KNOW, WE GIVE, UH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT I GIVE THEM.
UH, AND SO WE DO THAT ALL IN THE BACKGROUND.
SO THEY'RE, YOU'RE, THEY'RE, UM, 5, 5, 2 0.0, 24 FORM, ALL OF THAT STUFF.
KIND OF LIKE WHEN YOU WERE BOARD MEMBERS AND I GAVE YOU A PACKET.
I DO THE SAME THING WITH THEM.
WHAT YOU SEE, THE CEREMONY IS REALLY JUST THAT CEREMONY.
BY THE TIME THEY, THEY COME INTO THE MEETING, THEY'VE ALREADY HANDLED ALL THEIR PAPERWORK.
SO THEY'VE OFFICIALLY TAKEN THE OATH WITHOUT THAT CEREMONY.
WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS REALLY MORE FOR THE PUMP AND THE CIRCUMSTANCE OF MY FAMILY PICTURES AND, AND STUFF.
ALL OF THE, THE MINUTIAE OF, OF ADMINISTRATIVE STUFF HAS ALREADY BEEN HANDLED.
AND IT'S AT THAT TIME THAT WE SIT DOWN AND WE ALSO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE EMAIL POLICY.
HERE'S YOUR THIS POLICY, HERE'S THAT, HERE'S THE OM A TRAINING, HERE'S THE PIA THING THAT YOU HAVE TO SIGN.
WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME, TYPICALLY IT'S 46 HOURS JUST GOING THROUGH ALL THE STUFF THAT THEY NEED TO GET DONE.
I, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE, WE TABLE THIS ITEM AS A POTENTIAL CHARTER AMENDMENT GOING TO COUNCIL WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WE, WE TELL COUNCIL THAT THIS IS POSSIBLY AN AREA THAT NEED TO LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE.
I WOULD SECOND THAT I NEED CLARIFICATION THEN.
SO YOU WANNA BRING IT BACK AT THE NEXT COUNCIL? AT THE NEXT CHARTER? NO, I'M SAYING THAT WELL, HEY, MAY, MAYBE THAT WE NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AS A CHARTER AMENDMENT.
BUT WITH THE CAVEAT THAT IN THE REPORT MM-HMM
WE TELL COUNSEL THIS IS SOMETHING, THERE'S A POTENTIAL HERE THAT YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING AT FOR CONFLICT.
SO WE DON'T WANNA MAKE CHANGES, BUT WE WANT TO SEND THAT ITEM TO THEM FOR THEM TO LOOK AT.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FIX IT,
AND MAYBE THAT'S WHAT, UM, THEY CAN FIX IT.
OR DO THEY HAVE TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT WORDING AND THEN AT THE, WHEN THE NEXT WELL THE COUNCIL CAN COUNSEL YEAH.
THEY CAN DO WHAT THE COUNCIL CAN DO WHATEVER COUNCIL WANTS TO DO.
BUT THEY, WE CAN SEND IT TO THEM FOR THEM TO LOOK AT, TO SEE IF HOW THEY WANNA MAKE CHANGES.
AND I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THOSE SAME ISSUES, EVEN IF YOU SAID, OKAY, THE TERM STARTS JANUARY ONE.
WELL, ALL SORTS OF MISCHIEF PER SE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO I THINK THAT THE BIGGEST THING IS THAT YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, A CITY MANAGER THAT'S MM-HMM.
YOU'VE GOT A, A PROCEDURE THAT THEY COULD GO AHEAD AND RECONSIDER AN ITEM IF SOMETHING PASSED THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PASS.
IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO RIDE AROUND.
IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO RIDE AROUND SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE WITHOUT UNDULY TIGHTEN ADMINISTRATION'S HANDS TOO AND BE ABLE TO CONTINUE SIT.
I THINK BY PUTTING THE CAVEAT IN THERE, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE AS A COMMITTEE MM-HMM
AND WE SAY, HEY, WE SEE SOMETHING HERE AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX IT.
AND MAYBE YOU NEED TO LOOK AT IT.
AND THEN GO LET COUNCIL DO WHAT? 'CAUSE COUNCIL CAN DO THEIR OWN CHARTER AMENDMENT.
THEY DON'T EVEN NEED THE COMMITTEE.
I HAVE THE FIRST AND A SECOND.
UM, AND, AND IT'S, UH, THE, TO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ITEM AS A CHARTER AMENDMENT, UH, HOWEVER, TO NOTE, UH, IN THE REPORT THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT COUNSEL SHOULD MAYBE CONSIDER THE FUTURE LOOK AT.
AND WE ALREADY, AND YOU GUYS ALREADY SAID STAFF HAD NO RECOMMENDATION FOR AN AMENDMENT.
SO WE'RE SORT OF ECHOING THAT.
BUT YOU'RE BRINGING IT, THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, BUT YOU'RE KIND OF BRINGING THIS A LITTLE HEIGHTENED JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY SEE IT, THAT IT IMPORTANT IS HOW I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ALL WANT.
THAT COUNCIL COULD ALWAYS COME BACK AND TELL, COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION OR GO DO RESEARCH.
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THAT'S COUNCIL'S JOB.SO WE HAVE THAT MOTION ON THE TABLE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED? ALL THOSE, ALL OF US.
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS SECTION 12, WHICH TALKS ABOUT, UM, COUNSEL.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS TERM LIMITS.
SO, UM, WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEES BACK TO 2012.
UM, THEY VOTED IN 2012 TO SEVEN TO ZERO TO MOVE IT FORWARD.
COUNSEL REJECTED THAT IN 2015.
IT WAS VOTED TWO IN FAVOR OF MOVING IT FORWARD FOR AGAINST AND ONE ABSENCE.
AND AGAIN, IN 2018, UH, THEY CONSIDERED IT AGAIN.
TWO WERE IN FAVOR OF IT, FIVE WERE AGAINST IT, AND IT, UH, DID NOT MOVE FORWARD.
SO WE DID A SURVEY LAST TIME OF DIFFERENT CITIES.
WE FOUND THAT ABOUT, UH, 56% OF THOSE 16 CITIES THAT WE SURVEYED, UM, HALF TERM LIMITS, 44 DON'T.
SO IT'S PRETTY, EVEN IF THEY DO OR DON'T, WE INCLUDED IN THE, UH, 2012, WE DID A SURVEY OF VARIOUS, UH, OF THE CITIZENS.
AND OF THOSE, OF THE 56, THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY, UH, 90, UH, SORRY, 80% APPROXIMATELY WANTED A TERM LIMIT.
UM, I DID A CHART THERE THAT SHOWS A NUMBER OF, UH, IF YOU WANT TERM LIMITS, WHAT THOSE MIGHT BE.
IT LOOKS LIKE 3, 2, 4, ALL THE WAY UP TO FIVE CONSECUTIVE TERMS. UM, SO IT'S REALLY WIDE OPEN IF, IF YOU WANNA CONSIDER TERM LIMITS WHAT YOU WANNA DO.
WE DID ASK THE, UH, CITIZENS, IT'S 56 THAT RESPONDED WHETHER THEY WANTED TWO, THREE, OR FOUR.
AND THEN WE, UH, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO THINK OF WAYS THAT YOU ACCOUNT THAT.
SO YOU DO COUNT IF SOMEONE IS ON THE COMMITTEE OR ON THE COUNCIL AND THEN DROPS OUT MOVES OR WHATEVER.
SO SHOULD THAT PARTIAL TERM BE COUNTED AS A TERM OF OFFICE? AND WE LOOKED AROUND AT OTHER CITIES, THEY HANDLE 'EM A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
UM, THIS WAS PRETTY MUCH EVEN, UH, FOUR, FOUR.
THERE'S SOME THAT LOOK AT IT AS, UM, WHETHER THEY'VE SERVED MORE THAN 50% OF THE TERM.
UM, SOME JUST SAY IF THEY WERE ELECTED.
SO IT'S REALLY HOWEVER YOU WANNA DO THAT.
AND THEN WE ALSO LOOKED AT, WE BROUGHT THIS UP LAST TIME, JUST IF YOU WANTED TO COUNT TERMS OF THEM SERVING BOTH AS THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL OR IF THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE OFFICES.
AND SO YOU WOULDN'T COUNT THE EXECUTIVE TERMS THERE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, UH, UH, LET'S SEE, UH, FIVE, WE, OF THOSE 16 THAT WE SURVEYED, THERE WAS EIGHT THAT HAD TERM LIMITS.
AND SO FIVE WERE YESES AND THREES WERE NOS.
SO WITH THAT, WE KIND OF OPEN UP TERM LIMITS TO YOU ALL.
AGAIN, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH.
UM, I THINK THE LAST, AND YOU ALL CAN CORRECT ME, MR. BEARD AND MR. MAYO, THAT, UH, I THINK THE THOUGHT WAS THAT A LOT OF TIMES THAT TERM LIMITS ARE REALLY ADDRESSED AT THE BALLOT BOX.
IF SOMEONE DOESN'T WANT YOU TO CONTINUE TO TERM, THEY WOULD VOTE THAT ATLEY, YES, YOU'RE MS. SPINDLY.
UM, THAT MOST OF THE TIMES PEOPLE VOTE AT THE, THE BALLOT BOX, WHETHER THEY, AND THAT'S THE TERM LIMITS WHEN THEY VOTE AGAINST SOMEBODY.
I THINK ANOTHER THING I, UH, I WAS RESEARCHING ALL OF OUR, THE TERM LIMITS, AND I WENT BACK THROUGH ALL OUR MINUTES FROM 12 20 12 TO THE PRESENT.
AND THE DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH, UH, REALLY WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA TERM LIMIT PEOPLE SO YOU CAN GET NEW PEOPLE IN AND GET FRESH PERSPECTIVES AND NOT HAVE SOMEONE IN THERE WHO IS ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL AND IS JUST ON THERE.
AND YOU HAD THE DISCUSSION ON THE OTHER SIDE, UH, IF WE DO TERM LIMITS, YOU'RE, YOU, YOU COULD BE TERM LIMITING NOW TO REALLY GOOD, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, MAYOR.
UM, AND THAT THE TERM LIMITS ARE, LIKE KAREN SAID AT THE BALLOT BOX, IF YOU'RE NOT GOOD, YOU COME OFF.
UM, AND THEN THE ANOTHER THING THAT CAME UP ON THE, ON THE, ON THIS SIDE WAS, UM, WE DON'T WANNA LOSE GOOD PEOPLE AND, UH, BAD PEOPLE COME OFF, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE ELECTORAL PROCESS.
AND, AND THOSE WERE THE MAIN ARGUMENTS THAT I FOUND IN ALL THREE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEES.
SO GENERAL COMMENT, I'D LIKE TO TABLE THIS FOR VOTE UNTIL WE HAVE A LARGER QUORUM OF THE COMMITTEE.
UH, THIS IS, THIS IS A PRETTY BIG DEAL TO, TO, I THINK TO VOTE ON WITH SUCH A SHARP QUORUM IF THAT'S, UH, UH, SOMETHING Y'ALL WOULDN'T MIND DOING.
WE DON'T HAVE, WE NEED TO HAVE EVERYBODY, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS.
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IS, AT LEAST IN ONE DISTRICT IN THIS CITY THAT WHERE THE OPINION IS THAT THE BALLOT BOX DOESN'T WORK.AND THAT WE'VE HAD A COUNCIL MEMBER IN THERE WHO WAS REALLY BAD BASED UPON ATTENDANCE AND EVERYTHING ELSE GOING IN.
AND THAT THERE WAS PROBABLY SOME UNFAIR CAMPAIGNING GOING ON DURING SOME ELECTIONS.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THE BALLOT BOX DIDN'T WORK.
AND, YOU KNOW, AT A FORMAL MEETING, WE HAD ONE OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UH, WAY BACK ON THE ORIGINAL CHARTER, UH, COMMITTEE WAY BACK.
BUT THAT COMMENT WAS MADE, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, THE BALLOT BOXES WHERE YOU MAKE TERM LIMITS.
AND ONE OF THE RESIDENTS HE WAS ON THE COMMITTEE FROM THAT DISTRICT SAID, THAT'S YOUR OPINION.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT HAPPEN IN OUR DISTRICT, WHICH IS AN OPINION.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO'S MISSING HALF THE MEETINGS AND CONTINUALLY GETTING REELECTED, YOU KNOW, GOING INTO THE PROCESS.
SO I LIKE, I I WOULD LIKE TERM AMENDMENTS.
I PERSONALLY THINK IF YOU'RE A COUNCIL MEMBER AND YOU EITHER TERM OUT OR YOU GET ELECTED TO A MAYOR, YOUR TERM LIMITS ARE TO START OVER AGAIN.
I MEAN, THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW IT WORKS IN A LOT OF CITIES.
DO WE NEED TO DO THAT SEPARATE OR IS THAT THEY'RE, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA VOTE FOR ABOUT THE WHOLE THING.
TERM LIMITS SHOULD BE SEPARATE FOR COUNCIL.
AND THEN IF YOU'RE ELECTED MAYOR, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER TERM LIMIT THING TO START OVER.
SO THAT WOULD BE IN WHATEVER WE DRAFT FORWARD, WHAT DO WE DRAFT FORWARD, DRAFT, WHATEVER YOU ALL WANT TO SEND FORWARD, WE DRAFT THAT FOR YOU.
BUT I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR.
'CAUSE I CAN SEE THAT BEING A YEAH.
AN AREA WHERE CONFUS WAS, SO YOU SAID, IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE SOME CHANGES, WE NEED TO PUT THAT IN THERE.
I, I KNOW THAT IT'S DONE BOTH WAYS AND CITIES THAT HAVE IT.
'CAUSE WAY BACK WHEN THE FIRST CHART CAME UP, I ACTUALLY WENT OUT AND RESEARCHED, GOD, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CHARTERS I READ.
I READ CHARTERS UNTIL I GOT SICK OF READING CHARTERS, PROBABLY AT LEAST 30 CITIES AND TALKED TO SOME PEOPLE IN SOUTHERN CITY.
AND THEY WERE PRETTY MUCH SPLIT ON HOW THEY DID THAT IN THE PROCESS.
UH, EVERY YEAR, EVERY ELECTION CYCLE, I THINK THE COMMUNITY'S FEELINGS ABOUT TERM LIMITS CHANGES.
SO THERE MAY BE A WHOLE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THIS YEAR MM-HMM
THAN THERE WAS IN THE LAST ELECTION CYCLE.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, IF YOU'RE LIKE ME, IF, IF I'M IN A DISTRICT AND WE, IT DOES WORK AT THE BALLOT BOX, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WE DON'T KNOW.
'CAUSE WE'RE NOT IN, I DON'T LIVE IN THE DISTRICT AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING AT OTHER PARTS OF TOWN.
SO I CAN NOW, YOU KNOW, NOW I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING 'CAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW.
I JUST KNOW CERTAIN, CERTAIN DISTRICTS IT DOES WORK.
BUT LIKE YOU SAID, I CAN SEE WHERE IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING IN MY 30 YEARS OF LIVING IN THIS TOWN THAT I FIND THAT THE REALLY GOOD ONES YOU DON'T NEED TERM LIMITS ON.
'CAUSE THEY GET BURNED OUT AND DECIDE THEY'VE HAD ENOUGH ANYWAY.
AND YOU NOT REALLY LIMIT THEM.
'CAUSE THEY CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND RUN FOR ANOTHER ELECTION.
I, BUT IT WOULD HELP US TO GET SOME GUIDANCE ON KIND OF THAT IF, IF YOU'RE A COUNCIL MEMBER AND YOU'VE DONE TWO TERM LIMITS, SHUT THAT COUNT IF YOU RUN FOR MAYOR, YOU KNOW, UH, AND I ALSO SEE, I'M SORRY.
I ALSO SEE ON HERE THAT SOME OF THESE, UM, CITIES ON THE SURVEY THAT THEY'RE HAVING LIKE THREE AND FOUR TERMS. THERE'S NOT VERY MANY THAT HAVE ONLY TWO TERMS. THEY HAVE THREE OR FOUR TERMS OR THEY SAY, OR THEY CAN, UM, THEY CAN SIT OUT LIKE A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT, YOU KNOW, IS RUNNING UNOPPOSED.
AND SO BECAUSE OUR DISTRICT DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY NEW, BUT YET THE TERM LIMIT'S GONNA MAKE THAT PERSON GET OFF OF CITY COUNCIL EVEN THOUGH THE PEOPLE IN THE DISTRICT DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.
WELL, TERM TIME, IF TERM TIME IS, IF YOU HAVE THREE YEAR TERMS AND THEY SERVE TWO TERMS, THAT'S SIX YEARS.
I KNOW IF YOU HAVE TWO YEAR TERMS, THEY SERVE THREE TERMS, THAT'S SIX YEARS.
SO THAT'S BASED UPON THE LENGTH OF THE TERM.
AND WE CHANGED THAT FROM A TWO YEAR TO A THREE YEAR CYCLE.
UM, KIND OF BECAUSE OF THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION ABOUT TERM LIMITS WAY BACK WAS KIND OF THAT CYCLE.
AND BECAUSE IT BASICALLY, THE CONVERSATION IS, TAKES 'EM A YEAR TO GET UP TO SPEED ANYWAY, YOU KNOW.
AND THEN THEY'RE, AND THEN THEY'RE CAMPAIGNING AGAIN.
I MEAN THAT'S ALWAYS THE ARGUMENT GOING ON IN, IN TERMS SO.
SO THE THE, BUT, BUT THAT WAS MY POINT WAS THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW.
'CAUSE SO WOULD YOU BE LEANING MORE TO LIKE THREE, THREE YEAR TERMS VERSUS TWO TWO YEAR TERMS? I LIKE THE THREE THREE YEAR.
LIKE THE THREE YEARS LIKE YEAH.
I LIKE, BUT MY, YEAH, BUT LIKE, LIKE THEY CAN, SOME OF THESE ON HEARSAY THAT THEY CAN GET OFF, YOU KNOW, IF THEY, IF IT'S A TERM LIMIT AND THEY'VE DONE TWO, THREE YEAR TERMS, THEN THEY'RE OFF AND, BUT THEY CAN RUN AGAIN.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN PREVENT UP FROM NOT RUNNING AGAIN ON A TERM.
COULD YOU, KAREN, DO WHAT? I DON'T THINK YOU COULD PREVENT 'EM FROM NOT RUNNING
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FOR ANOTHER, IF THEY GOT OFF AND WEIGHED OUT ON ELECTRIC CYCLE, THEY, YOU COULDN'T KEEP UP FROM RUNNING AGAIN.BUT THAT'S WHAT, SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH THEM RUNNING AGAIN? I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, NO.
NO, THAT WOULD BE THREE YEARS LATER FOR YEAH.
AND BUT LIKE YOU SAID, MOST OF THE ONES THAT HAVE SERVED FOR A LONG TIME AND DO A LOT OF GOOD, THEY JUST BURN OUT EVENTUALLY.
BUT I AM SAYING, FOR INSTANCE, DISTRICTS, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF 'EM IN THIS ELECTION AND THE ONE BEFORE THAT, THERE WASN'T ANYBODY RUNNING AGAINST THEM.
THERE WERE RUNNING UN OPPOSED BECAUSE THE PEOPLE IN THE DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, NOBODY WANNA RUN AGAINST THEM OR THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE DOING A GOOD JOB.
AND FOR INSTANCE, EVEN CONTINUING FOR LIKE A THIRD TERM THOUGH, BOTH OF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ELECTED ALREADY TWICE.
AND IF NOBODY WANTS THE RUN AGAINST THEM 'CAUSE THEY THINK THEY'RE DOING A GOOD JOB AND THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF CONNECTIONS YET WITH TERM LIMITS, YOU'RE GONNA FORCE THEM TO HAVE TO GET OFF AND SOMEBODY NEW AND UNEXPERIENCED IS GONNA BE ON THERE.
AND THE DISTRICT IS FORCED TO DO THAT.
THE CONSTITUENTS ARE FORCED TO DO THAT WHEN THEY DON'T WANT TO.
AND THE, WE HAVE THE MOST DIVERSE CITY COUNCIL EVER NOW WITH TWO WOMEN BEING ON.
AND WE'VE NEVER HAD, I DON'T THINK WHERE TWO WOMEN HAVE BEEN, CITY COUNCIL WOMEN HAVE, WE, WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MOST DIVERSE, AND I HATE THAT NOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PEOPLE RUNNING AN OPPOSED THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE FORCED OUT BECAUSE OF TERM LIMITS.
SO ALSO WE WOULD MAKE THIS PROSPECTIVE, WE WOULD NOT REPLY IT RETROACTIVELY.
SO IF IT'S TWO, IF WE ESTABLISH IT THIS NEXT TIME, THAT'S TERM LIMITS OR WHATEVER, TWO YEAR TERMS THAT WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD MOVING FORWARD.
WE WOULDN'T COUNT PRIOR, PRIOR USE.
SO IT WOULDN'T COUNT IF THEY'VE ALREADY USED UP THEIR TERM LIMITS AND WE MAKE THIS THING IT WOULDN'T COUNT FOR.
IT WOULD ONLY BE MOVING FORWARD.
IT'S CONSECUTIVE TERMS. YES, SIR.
CONSECUTIVE TERMS. BUT EVEN AS A CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, IF WE DECIDE ON THAT, IT STILL HAS TO GO TO COUNCIL.
AND I KNOW, AND THAT COUNCIL DIDN'T VOTE AND MOST OF 'EM DON'T WANT IT ANYWAY, SO, AND THEY'RE GONNA VOTE AGAINST IT ANYWAY, SO IT, YEAH.
I REALLY THINK THEY ARE GONNA VOTE AGAINST IT.
SO HERE YOU MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
YOU MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND, AND THEN THEY DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
BUT YEAH, THAT SHOULD NOT INHIBIT EXACTLY YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
THAT KAREN HAS HEARD THIS BEFORE.
IT IS NOT OUR JOB TO DECIDE WHAT COUNCIL'S GONNA DO OR NOT GONNA DO AS A COMMITTEE.
AND, AND COUNCIL'S GONNA DO WHATEVER COUNCIL WANTS TO DO AT ANY TIME.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WE'RE WASTING OUR TIME SITTING THERE AND TRYING TO MAKE, DO THAT WHEN THEY'RE NOT GONNA WORK.
I CAN GO 50 50 EITHER WAY ON ALTERNA AND I ALWAYS HAVE, I HAVE TO SAY.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT WHY I SPEND ALL THIS TIME WAITING TILL THE WHATEVER I SAY WAIT TILL THE NEXT MEETING.
BUT WHEN DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS DONE BY MARCH.
YOU SAID FEBRUARY? SO, UM, I THINK SO, SO WE WERE GONNA TALK AFTER THE TERM LIMITS.
WE WERE GONNA KIND OF TALK, UM OKAY.
OUTREACH AND STUFF ON TIMELINE.
SO IF, UM, I'M, I PUT A NOTE HERE THAT, UH, THE, THE GROUP TODAY WAS LEANING TOWARDS 3 3 3 CONSECUTIVE THREE YEAR TERMS. YOU CAN COME OFF ONE TERM AND THEN RUN FOR OFFICE AGAIN AND THAT IT WOULD, UM, IT, UH, IT WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD AND NOT COUNT ANY TIME PRIOR.
AND THEN, AND THAT IF YOU'RE A COUNCIL MEMBER AND YOU WANNA RUN FOR MAYOR, THOSE TERMS DON'T COUNT.
RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
AND WE'LL BRING THIS, THAT, RIGHT.
THE ONLY OTHER ISSUE WOULD BEING AN APPOINTED COUNCIL MEMBER AND, UH, HOW YOU HANDLE THAT.
AND I THINK TYPICALLY MOST CITIES IS IF IT'S, IF YOU SERVE 50% OF THE TERM, THEN IT COUNTS AS A TERM.
EVEN IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE ELECTED AND THEN YOU RESIGN THREE MONTHS LATER AND THEN COUNCIL CAN MM-HMM
APPOINT A COMMITTEE MEMBER THEN, OR THEN THAT'S THE TERM.
SO PARTIAL TERMS WOULD COUNT IF IT'S 50% OR MORE OF THE TIME SERVED.
SO I'LL CUT ALL OF THAT RECOMMENDATION TOGETHER AND WELL, WE'LL COME BACK WITH LANGUAGE.
I'LL ACTUALLY COME BACK WITH LANGUAGE WITH THAT.
SEE, Y'ALL CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
MR. MAYO, HOW, WHAT DO YOU, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? I'M GENERALLY AGAINST TERM LIMITS, BUT I DID PAY ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT I KNOW WE ONLY HAD 55 PEOPLE RESPOND TO OUR SURVEY, BUT THE OVERWHELMING NUMBER OF THE CITIZENS WHO RESPONDED WERE DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF IT.
NOW I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.
SO I THINK IT'S JUST THE THING THAT, THAT, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE OPINIONS ON.
LIKE I SAID, IF WE HAD A FULL BLOWN MEETING WITH EVERYBODY THERE AND KIND OF GET DIFFERENT OPINIONS, I CAN'T SAY THAT I WOULD OPPOSE IT BECAUSE
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LIKE YOU SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WOULD GO ANYWAY.BUT UNLESS WE DID ANOTHER SURVEY, WHICH I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD DO THAT.
WE DID TWO SURVEYS, TWO, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL YEARS APART AND IT WAS TREMENDOUSLY POPULAR, SO TO SPEAK, WITH THE SURVEY RESPONDENTS.
BUT, UH, THAT COULD HAVE JUST BEEN A MATTER OF WHO RESPONDED.
BUT IN GENERAL, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN I WOULD VOTE AGAINST US SENDING IT TO COUNCIL.
WHAT I'M GONNA, THAT'S HOW I FEEL.
I'M, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT I, I WOULDN'T VOTE AGAINST US SENDING IT TO COUNCIL.
I MEAN, IF WE WANNA JUST GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON SENDING IT TO COUNCIL NOW AND WE DON'T HAVE TO.
I I, I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS INTO OUR NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING WITH A BIGGER QUORUM FOR DISCUSSION.
I'LL COME BACK WITH LANGUAGE AT THAT.
I'M SORRY MS. FINLEY, I MISSED IT.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO, UH, TO TABLE THIS, UM, THE NEXT MEETING TILL THE NEXT MEETING.
SO THE LAST SLIDE THAT WE PUT HERE, UM, WAS REALLY, UM, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF HOW WE DID PUBLIC INPUT OR PUBLIC OUTREACH.
UM, IN 2012 WHEN WE TOOK 19 PROPOSITIONS, UM, TO THE COUNCIL, THERE WERE A LOT OF HIGH POLITICAL EMOTIONAL ISSUES LIKE, SHOULD WE PAY COUNCIL? SHOULD WE HAVE CHARTER AMENDMENTS? SHOULD WE HAVE AT LARGE POSITIONS AND CHANGE THE COMPOSITION OF THE COUNCIL.
THERE WERE A LOT OF THOSE KIND OF HEAVY HITTER QUESTIONS.
AND THE, UM, THE, UH, COMMITTEE, UH, DID, UH, REQUESTED TO DO A SURVEY.
NOW WE HAVE 30 TO 35,000 REGISTERED VOTERS IN THE CITY.
AND AS YOU SAW, WE GOT 50, 56 PEOPLE RESPONDED.
WE PUT IT OUT FOR A, AN ENTIRE MONTH.
UM, AND WE DIDN'T GET A, A LOT OF RE OF RESPONSES.
WE, UH, HELD TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WE HELD ONE IN THE MORNING AND WE HAD ONE IN THE EVENING TO ALLOW PEOPLE THAT TO ATTEND EITHER ONE.
IS THAT THE ONE WE DID AT THE CHURCH IN THE EVENING? THE, THE SECOND ONE? NO, ALL OF OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR CHARTER HAVE BEEN HELD IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER.
WE HELD, WE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING BECAUSE THE FIRST ONE WAS THE FIREFIGHTERS WAS ON THAT AGENDA AND WE HELD IT AT ONE OF THE LOCAL CHURCHES.
IT WAS THE VERY FIRST CHART OF THE COMMITTEE THAT I SERVED ON.
AND IT WAS WELL ATTENDED IN 2012.
I CAN'T REMEMBER, WAS THAT 2012 FOR THE FIRST ONE, KAREN? I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER.
BUT WE HAD ONE OF 'EM WAS BOTH OF THOSE, ONE OF THOSE WAS HELD OUT IN THE PUBLIC AND IT WAS HELD AT ONE OF THE CHURCHES.
WAS THAT A CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE OR WAS THAT MORE OF A, THAT WAS CHARTER REVIEW.
IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN BEFORE MY TIME.
DON, DON MURRAY WAS ON THAT COMMITTEE.
IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN BEFORE 2012.
AND, AND THERE WAS, THAT WAS THE FIRST CHARTER VIEW WHEN THEY, WE WERE, IF YOU REMEMBER RIGHT, YOU AND NAZI CAME BACK WITH A THING OF THAT THICK OF LANGUAGE AND THINGS TO BE CLEARED UP.
WE WAITED THROUGH THAT THING FOR ALI ALONE.
I DON'T, FOR A LONG TIME, I DON'T THINK.
AND THERE WAS, THERE WAS A LOT OF POTENTIAL CHARTERS ON THAT, THAT MEETING.
AND, AND THOSE MEETINGS, THEY WERE CONTENTIOUS AND THEY WERE, WELL, THEY WERE WELL DONE.
I DON'T REMEMBER ATTENDING THAT.
WE, WE ALSO DIDN'T HAVE WEB SURVEYS DURING THAT TIME PERIOD EITHER.
I I DON'T REMEMBER BEING AT THAT MEETING.
UM, AND, UH, DR. MURRAY DID, UM, WE PUT AN ARTICLE IN THE BAYTOWN SUN AND, UH, WE DID NOT GET A LOT OF RESPONSE.
IN 2015, UM, THE COMMITTEE FELT THAT WE REALLY DIDN'T NEED A SURVEY.
UM, THEY HELD TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS, UM, HERE IN THE CHAMBER.
ONE IN THE MORNING, ONE IN THE EVENING.
AN ARTICLE WAS PUT IN THE BAYTOWN SUN THROUGH A PRESS RELEASE.
WE SET UP AN EMAIL IN LIEU OF THE SURVEY TO RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
WHAT DID THEY THINK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WERE PUT OUT ON THE WEBSITE OR ON THE, ON THE, UM, ON THE ARTICLE WE RECEIVED, UM, MAYBE A HANDFUL OF COMMENTS.
AND THEN WE USED SOCIAL MEDIA TO, UH, LET PEOPLE KNOW, HEY, WE HAVE A WEBSITE.
WE'VE PUT OUT THE MINUTES AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, SUBMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THIS EMAIL.
AND, AND, UM, THAT'S, WE HAD 22 PROPOSITIONS AT THE END OF 2015 THAT WENT FORWARD TO THE VOTERS.
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THEN IN 2018, WE DID THE SAME TYPE OF OUTREACH THAT WE DID IN 2018.IN 2015, THEN WE TOOK A TOTAL OF 27 PROPOSITIONS.
AGAIN, WE HAD TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WE HAD NO ATTENDEES TO THE 20 18 1.
WE HAD THE ARTICLE, WE HAD THE EMAIL AND THE WEBPAGE.
AND THEN WE USED SOCIAL MEDIA TO DO OUTREACH.
SO THAT'S JUST WHAT WE'VE DONE.
AND, UM, STAFF WANTS TO BE ABLE TO PREPARE TO SEE WHAT IT IS THAT THIS COMMITTEE WANTS US TO DO MOVING FORWARD.
BECAUSE ONCE YOU COMPLETE YOUR VOTES, UM, ON THE LAST ITEM, ON THE LAST, UM, THE TERM LIMITS WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO, UM, DO THE, THE PUBLIC INPUT PORTION AND, UM, FINISH UP WITH, UH, THE REPORT TO COUNCIL.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? UM, DOES THE, DOES THE CITY MAKE ANY EFFORT TO CATALOG OR, OR SOMETHING WITH THE NUMBER OF, UH, FACEBOOK GROUPS THAT, FOR INSTANCE, LIKE, UH, WE'RE ALL NOSY BAYTOWN AND THEN WE HAVE ONE FOR PARKWOOD PLACE SUBDIVISION.
DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY KIND OF A, A WAY OF, OF, OF GATHERING UP ALL THE FACEBOOK PAGE GROUPS OR WHATEVER IN BAYTOWN THAT, THAT ARE OUT THERE? ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW.
I THAT MAY BE A
BUT IF YOU THREW THE IDEA THAT HEY, THERE'S A, A SURVEY ABOUT TERM LIMITATIONS AND YOU PUT IT ON, WE'RE ALL NOSY BAYTOWN, AND YOU PUT IT ON PARKWOOD PLACE, I BET YOU WOULD GET A SIGNIFICANT RESPONSE MUCH MORE THAN WHAT WE'VE GOT IN THE PAST.
AND I KNOW THOSE, THOSE ARE ONLY TWO I KNOW ABOUT.
THERE'S PROBABLY A BUNCH OF OTHERS OUT THERE.
THERE'S ALL, ALL THE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD THINGS.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW THE MAYOR'S FACEBOOK PAGE AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE I SEE ON THE CITY, CITY FACEBOOK PAGE, CITY COUNCIL, CITY COUNCILMEN, CITY OF BAYTOWN.
BUT WE, YOU KNOW, LIKE LAKEWOOD, LAKEWOOD ESTATES, ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE ALL OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND HIM, NEIGHBORHOODS, THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS, THEY GET AT LEAST OURS.
IT GETS A LOT OF PLAY, I'M TELLING YOU.
SO WHATEVER WOULD BE DONE WITH SOCIAL MEDIA, WE'D GIVE ALL THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO PUBLIC AFFAIRS.
I MIGHT HAVE HEARD, I'VE NEVER SEEN IT, OR I MIGHT HAVE SHARED IT AND PUT IT ON OUR, UM, ON OUR, I DIDN'T SEE IT.
I'LL BE, UH, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ASK ALICE TO COME TO THE NEXT MEETING.
'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA SPEAK OUTTA TERMS. I AM NOT A TWITTER SOCIAL MEDIA PERSON.
I KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT THAT.
SO, BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT ON ANY OF IT.
OR I WOULD'VE, I HAVE ENOUGH SOCIAL MEDIA TO KEEP UP WITH.
SO I, I DON'T REALLY GO ON OURS MUCH AT ALL, EXCEPT OCCASIONALLY I WILL, I WILL BE SOMEWHERE AND I'M SITTING IN LINE AND I'LL PULL UP FACEBOOK AND OUR, OUR PARKWOOD PLACE OR WHATEVER, UH, AREA WILL BE ON THERE.
AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE'S DOGS GETTING LOST.
THERE'S ALL LOST DOGS AND CATS ON DOOR.
THERE'S ALL KINDS OF STUFF THAT'S ON THERE.
SO ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THIS? DO YOU GUYS WANNA SURVEY THIS YEAR THEN? LET ME, IS THAT WHAT I'M DOING? LET ME SAY A COUPLE THINGS.
YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA SAY 'EM SO WELL, I DON'T THINK WE'LL GET HARDLY ANY ATTENDANCE ALL AT A PUBLIC HEARING.
I'M A TRUE BELIEVER IN THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS OF A PUBLIC HEARING OVER ISSUES THAT AFFECT HOW YOU RUN YOUR CITIES OR YOUR GOVERNMENTS.
SO I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE AT LEAST ONE PUBLIC HEARING, EVEN THOUGH WE, AT LEAST WE, AS I SAID EARLY ON, WE AT LEAST OFFERED THE OPPORTUNITY.
SO WE'VE CROSSED OUR T'S AND DOTTED I'S SO WE CAN'T COME BACK LATER AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE IT.
AND THE CITY HAS PROCEDURES FOR PUBLISHING THAT.
FACEBOOK'S AND THINGS COULD BE ONE.
I THINK IF WE DO A SURVEY, IF WE DON'T DO A WEB ONLINE SURVEY WHERE THEY CLICK YES OR NO AND YOU GET THE RESULTS, COME BACK, NOT JUST ASKING FOR COMMENTS.
'CAUSE THAT COULD GO ON FOR MONTHS.
BUT A REAL SURVEY, I MEAN, IS, WOULD HAVE SOME BENEFIT AND YOU WOULD PROBABLY GET A REASONABLE RESPONSE.
AND THOSE CAN BE DONE SO THAT THE SAME PERSON CAN'T DO THE SURVEY MORE THAN ONCE, WHICH YOU HAVE TO DO.
AND THE TOPIC OF THE ONLINE SURVEY WOULD BE THE TERM LIMITS.
IT WOULD BE WHATEVER THE TAR, THE, THE, THE, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE GONNA, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE WHATEVER THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS BEING PROPOSED ARE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ONLY TWO OR THREE POTENTIAL ONES.
THERE'S THREE, BUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTMENTS AND THE, THERE'S THREE AND THEN ONE THAT THEY'RE GONNA JUST LOOK AT.
SO THERE'S FOUR THINGS ALL TOGETHER.
ALL OF THIS HERE WAS FOR THE, UM, TERM LIMITS, RIGHT? IT WAS, UM, IT WAS FOR EVERY, IT WAS FOR THE RECOMMENDATIONS MOVING FORWARD ON 15 AND 18.
AND ON 2020 IT WAS MORE TARGETED IN THE SURVEY TO, UH, LIKE, UH, TERM LIMITS.
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SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE PAY COUNSEL? SHOULD WE, UM, ADD AT LARGE POSITIONS AND CHANGE THE COMPOSITION OF THE COUNCIL? DON'T THINK IT COUNCIL THE WHOLE PROPOSAL CHARTER WAS IT IT WASN'T, YEAH.IT WAS VERY DETAILED BECAUSE THERE, THERE WERE CONTROVERSIAL ITEMS THAT THE COMMITTEE WANTED FEEDBACK ON BEFORE THEY PUT A, UH, A FINAL, UH, RECOMMENDATION TOGETHER.
BUT REALLY OUT OF THE, THE FOUR THINGS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT, YOU HAVE ONE RIGHT? THAT YOU, YOU PROBABLY WANT INPUT BECAUSE MM-HMM
THE PUBLIC'S NOT GONNA KNOW SHOULD WE OR SHOULD WE NOT ADD SECTION NINE? RIGHT.
SO REALLY IT'S GONNA BE HERE FOR A MOMENT.
IT, IT WOULD BE HIGHLY INTERESTING TO SEE AN ONLINE SURVEY IN TODAY'S AGE ON TERM LIMITS IS TO SEE THE RESPONSES, THE DATA.
ESPECIALLY IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET IT ON THOSE PLACES WHERE I KNOW A LOTS OF PEOPLE WOULD SEE IT THAT ARE GONNA INCLINED TO COMMENT ANYWAY.
AS I SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HUMANLY POSSIBLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT, BUT I MEAN, IT IT, IF THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE A ME A WAY OF FERRETING OUT THOSE WEBSITES OR THOSE GROUPS, I THINK IT NEEDS TO DESIGN, FIGURE OUT ONE BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY TO GET THE PULSE OF THE CITY NOW.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST, WELL, THERE'S TOO MANY STUFF UP THERE AND THERE'RE TOO ACTIVE.
WELL, THERE'S A CITY OF BAYTOWN WHEN WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE GET STUFF ALL THE TIME WHEN YOU KNOW THE HURRICANES AND STORMS AND THINGS ARE, SO IT CAN BE YEAH.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE ONE, RIGHT.
BUT PEOPLE CAN GO, WE CAN, THEY CAN PUT IT ON OTHER ONES, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE A MEMBER ON FACEBOOK.
BUT SOME OF US CAN GO AND SHARE IT FROM THE CITY OF BAYTOWN AND SHARE IT TO THOSE OTHER THINGS AND THEN IT GETS TO, GETS THERE.
WE DON'T PAY TO HAVE AN ARTICLE RUN THE PAPER, DO WE? THOSE ARE TYPICALLY THE BAYTOWN WORKS WORKS WITH OUR, WITH US TO JUST RUN SOMETHING.
SO FOR THE 30 PEOPLE THAT READ IT, I MEAN, THAT'S AN EASY THING TO DO.
SO WE CAN LOOK AT, UH, AN EMAIL TO THE CLERK WOULD BE EASY ENOUGH, RIGHT? YES, WE CAN, THAT CAN BE SET UP.
I MEAN, WHETHER ANYTHING OR NOT, THAT CAN BE SET UP, NO ISSUE.
WELL, WE'LL, UH, PUT UH, SOMETHING TOGETHER FOR THE NEXT ONE AND UM, AND I'LL HAVE ALICE COME IN.
SO FOR THOSE QUESTIONS RELATED TO SOCIAL MEDIA YEAH.
FARING AND I'LL, SHE CAN ANSWER THAT 'CAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, WE CAN LOOK AT, WE CAN LOOK AT A, I'LL LOOK AT A, I'LL BRING A PROPOSED TIMELINE AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN LOOK AND SEE IF THAT WORKS FOR YOU GUYS.
UM, AND WE WILL, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE.
[3. BUSINESS ITEMS]
OUR NEXT MEETING? I SHOW IT AS, UM, 1, 2, 3, 4.JANUARY WHAT? 25TH? JANUARY 25TH AT 5 30, 20 FIFTH.
UM, ITEM THREE A CONSIDER SETTING DATE, TIME, AND LOCATION OF THE NEXT CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING ALONG WITH ANY RELATED TASKS AND PROCESSES.
SO WE SAID IT WAS, UM, MONDAY, JAN.
YEAH, THAT'S MONDAY, JANUARY 25TH.
I, IT IS JUST, ARE THERE ANY TASK OR PROCESSES THAT WE DIDN'T TOUCH UPON THAT, THAT YOU GUYS MIGHT WANT? YOU SAY THAT THE TIME IS GONNA BE SIX O'CLOCK? NO, IT'S AT FIVE 30, SIR.
I THOUGHT Y'ALL CHANGING THE TIME.
SO THE MEETING, THE MEETING IS SET.
WE'RE JUST ASKING IF ANY OF ANYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE HAS ANY RELATED TASK OR PROCESSES WE WANT THE STAFF TO WORK ON.
I THINK WE'VE GIVEN 'EM ENOUGH.
WELL THEN DO YOU HAVE A TIME? IT IS NOW 6 52.