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SO ON ALL CALL OF THIS WORK SESSION OF THE BAYTOWN CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER, IT IS 5:41 PM WE ARE IN BAYTOWN CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
[a. Discuss proposed traffic mitigation options for Baytown Fire Stations Nos. One (1) and Six (6).]
THE FIRST ITEM IS DISCUSS PROPOSED TRAFFIC MITIGATION OPTIONS FOR BAYTOWN FIRE STATIONS NUMBER ONE AND SIX, MR. JOHNSON.UH, UH, WE ARE UPDATING, UH, THE FIRE STATION ONE FIRE STATION SIX SIX EGRESS UPDATE.
UM, AS YOU REMEMBER, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS SEVERAL TIMES IN IN WORK SESSIONS.
UM, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT ABOUT UPDATING THE FIRE STATION, ONE WITH THE ISSUES, WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING, AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS ALSO FOR FIRE STATION SIX.
UM, IN GENERAL, WHAT THE OTHER CITIES ARE DOING IS THAT THEY'RE USING THIS TYPE OF SIGN.
UH, I FOUND ONE INSTANCE OF A, UH, FLASHING BEACON, UM, THAT IS THE, THE TYPE THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED BEFORE OF A ACTUAL TRAFFIC SIGNAL TYPE BEACON, UM, BETWEEN MISSOURI CITY, SUGARLAND PARA LAND AND LEAGUE CITY, JUST ONE.
UM, THE OTHER OPTION THAT I FOUND WAS THIS, THIS WAS IN LEAGUE CITY ON FM FIVE 18.
AND THE RECOMMENDATION, WELL, THE, UM, AS Y'ALL ARE AWARE, THE ENGINEERS DO HAVE A HARD TIME COMING OUT, UH, OF THE FIRE STATION AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY, UH, TO MAKE THEIR CALLS.
UM, HOWEVER, DUE TO THE, UH, WIDENING OF GARTH ROAD, THE FACT THAT, UH, EVEN IN THIS AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH, THE, UM, THE, THE, THE QUEUE FOR CEDAR BAYOU LYNCHBURG TENDS TO BACK UP.
AND SO AN ACTUAL SIGNAL WOULD NOT BE EFFECTIVE THERE.
UM, AND THE, UH, THE, THE FIREFIGHTERS AND FIRE STATION WOULDN'T HAVE SAID THAT THEY CAN DEAL WITH WHAT THEY HAVE.
THEY WOULD LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE VISIBILITY.
UM, AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO INSTALL THIS TYPE OF, UM, INDICATOR OF THE BEACON THAT WOULD BE FLASHING OFF AND OFF, OFF AND ON, UM, AT THIS LOCATION AND AT THIS LOCATION.
THE, UM, THE FLASHING BEACONS WOULD BE, UM, ACTIVATED BY THE FIREMEN AS THEY'RE LEAVING THE STATION, AND THEN IT WOULD SHUT OFF AFTER A PRESET AMOUNT OF TIME.
THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION FOR FIRE STATION ONE.
NOW, LEMME ASK, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S THERE ALREADY? LIKE I KNOW SOME STATIONS, THEY, THEY'LL SAY LIKE, YOU KNOW, FIRE STATION NEARBY OR JUST SOMETHING LIKE THAT? EMERGENCY VEHICLES EX I MEAN, I CAN'T REM I, I HAVE IT IN THE BACK OF MY HEAD THAT I THINK I REMEMBER SEEING ONE SIGN.
I'M JUST WONDERING WHY WE, IF WE HAVE ANYTHING IN PLACE ALREADY, BUT, OKAY.
AND THEN THAT WAS, SO THAT'S STATION ONE.
UM, WHAT ABOUT ANY ISSUES WITH BLOCKING THE ENTRANCE AND THE EXIT OF THE FIREHOUSE? I KNOW BEFORE WE TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY DOING SOME WHITE LETTERING ON THE ROAD, SO PEOPLE DO NOT BLOCK IT.
SO WOULD, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE OF INTEREST OR FEASIBLE? THE, IF, IF IT WERE THE NEAR SIDE, IF IT WERE ON THE SOUTHBOUND SIDE? YES, MA'AM.
THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE VERY EFFECTIVE.
HOWEVER, THE QUEUE GOING DOWN TO, UM, THE NEXT INTERSECTION DOESN'T USUALLY BACK UP THAT FAR IN FRONT OF IT.
WITH THE, UH, TRAFFIC BEING ON WHERE THE, THE QUEUE ISSUE IS ON THE EAST SIDE, UM, IT'S USUALLY LESS OF A CONSIDERATION.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT WHAT THE, UH, THE ENGINEERS TYPICALLY DO IS THAT THEY'LL GET INTO THE CENTER TURN LANE HERE MM-HMM
AND GO OPPOSITE THE, THE, OR DRIVE IN THAT IF THEY NEED TO GO NORTH.
UM, THEN THEY'LL GO AROUND THE, UM, THE TRAFFIC IN THE LEFT TURN LANE.
YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT TOOK PLACE OF LAST WEEK.
THEY HAD TO EXIT NORTH AND EVERYBODY JUST MOVED OVER AND THEY, THEY WENT NORTH.
UH, I BROUGHT THIS UP A WHILE BACK ABOUT THE NEED FOR STOPPING THE TRAFFIC WITH A SIGNALIZATION AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT.
AND YOU SAY THERE'S ONLY A FEW CITIES THAT HAVE THIS TYPE OF SIGNAL.
HOUSTON, DEER PARK, KINGWOOD, A TUS, CASITA, FORT WORTH, DALLAS, AUSTIN, AND I'M GOING TO NAME OTHERS.
THEY HAD THE STOPLIGHT CONFIGURATION.
THEY GOT ONE OUT ON FM 1960 FOR THE CITY OF HOUSTON.
THAT STOPS THAT TRAFFIC OUT THERE, WHICH IS THE SAFEST WAY TO MAKE ENTRANCE IN HERE.
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I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN THE FACT THAT CITY MANAGEMENT IS COMING TO US SAYING THERE REALLY HASN'T BEEN A PROBLEM WHEN I TALK TO INDEPENDENT OR INDIVIDUAL FIREFIGHTERS.IT'S THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF THAT.
WE HA HAVE HAD ONE TRUCK HIT, WE'VE HAD HAD SEVERAL, UH, NEAR MISSES AND CLOSE CALLS AT THAT INTERSECTION BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING OUT AND THEY'RE HAVING TO DEPEND ON EYESIGHT AND TAKING THIS BIG RED TRUCK AND MOVE IT INTO SOME TRAFFIC THAT IS FLOWING PRETTY FAST.
THE SAFEST WAY TO DO THIS IS WHAT WE PROPOSED BE THE VERY FIRST TIME ABOUT STOPPING THE TRAFFIC WITH A RED LIGHT.
AND THEN ONCE IT GETS FINISHED, IT GOES OFF, TRAFFIC MOVES ON.
IT'S NOT A PART OF THE SIGNALIZATION SYSTEM UP AND DOWN GARTH ROAD.
THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO TAKE CARE OF THIS ON OUR HIGHEST TRAFFIC ROAD THAT WE HAVE HERE IN BAYTOWN.
UM, AND AT THE LAST WORKSHOP UP, UH, WORK SESSION UPDATE, UM, I DID PRESENT THE, THE POSSIBLE PLANS FOR DOING THAT.
UM, AND I WAS ASKED BY COUNSEL TO INVESTIGATE A, A SMALLER STEP FIRST.
AND SO THIS WOULD BE, THIS IS THE SMALLER STEP FIRST.
UM, WITH THE WIDENING OF GARTH ROAD FORTHCOMING IN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS, THE, UM, THE SIGNALIZATION AS YOU SPOKE ABOUT, UM, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT AT BEST TO GET IT IN NOW AND IT WOULD AND COST AND INCREDIBLY COSTLY, UM, AT WORST.
UM, AND WITH THE, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A MORE EFFECTIVE, UM, TOOL ONCE GARTH IS WIDENED SO THAT THE QUEUE, THE, THERE'S MORE LANE FOOTAGE FOR THE, THE NORTHBOUND VEHICLES TO NOT QUEUE BACK IN FRONT OF THE FIRE STATION.
AND SO WE WOULD HAVE LESS OF AN INCIDENT OF PEOPLE ALREADY BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT WHEN IT GETS ACTIVATED.
AND, AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE'RE FIXING THE A LANES HERE, SO THERE'S GONNA BE SIX LANES AT THIS FIRETRUCK POSSIBLY HAVE, COULD HAVE TO GO ACROSS.
THIS IS MY LAST MEETING, SO I WANT TO MAINLY LEAVE IT WITH YOU GUYS.
THERE'S, THERE'S A NEED HERE FOR THIS AT THIS INTERSECTION HERE, NOT THESE BLINKING LIGHTS.
I COULD, I COULD ACCEPT THE FACT THAT MAYBE THAT'S TEMPORARY SO WE CAN PUT THE SIX LANES IN, BUT WHEN WE GET READY TO PUT THE SIX LANES IN, THAT NEEDS TO BE INCORPORATED IN THAT PROJECT, THAT'S, THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THIS PROJECT AND MAKE SURE IT HAPPENS.
AND SINCE I WON'T BE HERE, I'LL DEPEND ON YOU PEOPLE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
AND SIR, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY FOR THE, UH, FOR THE CONSULTANT, BRING THAT UP TO THEM AND HAVE THAT AS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION FOR THE DESIGN.
UM, SO ON MISSOURI, Y'ALL ENDED UP PUTTING LIKE SOME STRIPING THAT THERE'S A, A BUMP COMING UP, LIKE A SPEED BUMP.
SO IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THE STRIPING TO, YOU KNOW, DON'T BLOCK THE INTERSECTION, ARE WE ABLE TO DO, WE CAN TOTALLY DO THAT TO TRY TO, BECAUSE OF THE ISSUE IS BE OF SPEEDING AND THE TRUCK'S TRYING TO GET OUT AND THE CAR'S COMING TOO FAST.
IF WE CAN AT LEAST DO SOME SORT OF STRIPING TO GET PEOPLE TO SLOW DOWN, UH, OR EVEN SOME SORT OF LIKE LITTLE BUMPS, SOMETHING THAT WOULD COST AS MUCH, YOU KNOW, LEADING UP TO THE FIREHOUSE TO GET PEOPLE TO SLOW DOWN.
UM, RUMBLE STRIPS ARE ABSOLUTELY AN OPTION.
UM, AND UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, UH, ABSOLUTELY INVESTIGATE.
SO I WOULD DO THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS, SO YES, MA'AM.
WE CAN ABSOLUTELY PUT THAT IN THERE TO AND, AND LOOK AT IT.
THANK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MS. CITY MANAGER? YEAH, I DO WANT POINT OUT COUNCIL MEMBER THAT IF THE CITY MANAGEMENT WAS SO ANTAGONISTIC TO THIS IDEA, WE WOULD'VE WAITED ONE MORE MEETING AND THEN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA OR NOT AT ALL.
THE FACT THAT IT IS ON THE AGENDA IS PRIMA FACIA TO THE REALITY THAT I WANTED YOU TO, UH, BE ABLE TO MAKE ONE MORE, UH, ARGUMENT FOR THIS, UH, AN ARGUMENT FOR A DEVICE THAT WHEN I TALKED TO THE SAME FIREFIGHTERS AT THAT STATION SAID THEY DO NOT WANT AND WILL NOT USE.
I HOPE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE TO THAT, UH, SUBJECT IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PROPOSITION AND I WANNA GIVE YOU KUDOS.
HAD YOU NOT BROUGHT THIS SUBJECT UP, PROBABLY WE WOULD'VE IGNORED FOR A WHILE, A SITUATION AT STATION SIX THAT I, I ACTUALLY WITNESSED ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO WHERE ONE OF OUR ENGINES DID ENCOUNTER A NEAR MISS WITH A ONCOMING UH, VEHICLE.
SO I COMPLIMENT YOU FOR DOING THAT.
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT SUBJECT, BUT GIVEN ALL THAT'S HAPPENING ON GARTH, UM, I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN.
UH, I DON'T DOUBT, I THINK I HAD THE OPINION AWAY FROM THE BEGINNING THAT THIS IS A VERY PRECARIOUS
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SITUATION AT STATION ONE AND I REALLY DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THE FIGHT, BUT I DO, I HAVE HEARD FROM THE FIREFIGHTERS WHO HAVE EXPRESSED HESITATIONS ABOUT STATION ONE, BUT NOT STATION SIX.SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
ALRIGHT, ANYTHING, ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FOR STATION ONE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO STATION SIX THEN? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
SO WITH STATION SIX, UM, AS I'M SURE Y'ALL ARE ALL AWARE, ONE I STATE HIGHWAY 1 46 IS HIGH SPEED.
UM, IT IS A MAJOR TRUCK THOROUGHFARE.
UM, THE AVERAGE TRUCK THAT I MEASURED WAS DRIVING AROUND 60 TO 65 MILES PER HOUR, ESPECIALLY GOING SOUTHBOUND.
UM, THE, SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE ALSO INVOLVED WITH THIS ARE, UM, YOU HAVE LIMITED SITE DISTANCE WITH THE, UM, THE RAILROAD TRELLIS.
SO A, AN ACTUAL SIGNAL THERE WOULD NOT BE BENEFICIAL AND IT WOULD CAUSE A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY BECAUSE THE DRIVERS COMING THROUGH, UH, UH, THE, UH, THE, THE RAILROAD TRELLIS, THEY WOULDN'T SEE IT IN TIME, ESPECIALLY DOING 60 MILES PER HOUR.
UM, BUT THE OTHER ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IS THAT DURING THE, UM, THE EVENING DESK HOURS, DRIVERS SOUTHBOUND ARE SUN BLINDED.
UM, AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THE, THE FLASHING RED LIGHTS, UH, IN THE SIGNAL HEADS RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE PEOPLE COULDN'T SEE THEM, BUT THEY COULD SEE THE FLASH, UH, AND THE NORTHBOUND LANES, THE SAME SITUATION OCCURS IN THE MORNING.
AND SO IT IS A, THIS IS A DIFFICULT, UM, SITUATION TO, UM, ALLEVIATE.
HOWEVER, THE THOUGHT THAT WE HAD WAS TO, UM, INSTALL REMOTE PREEMPTS, WHICH, UH, WHEN THE BUTTON IS PRESSED, IT UH, CHANGES THE CYCLE, UH, THE SIGNAL CYCLES SO THAT IN THIS CASE, AT EL CHACO, THE NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC WOULD BE STOPPED, THE EASTBOUND TRAFFIC WOULD BE STOPPED AND THE SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC WOULD HAVE A GREEN TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT UP AT KILGORE PARKWAY.
THE SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC WOULD BE STOPPED AND THE WESTBOUND TRAFFIC WOULD BE STOPPED AS WELL WITH THE NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC HAVING A FREE GREEN.
WHAT THE WAY THIS, UM, TYPE OF PHASING WOULD WORK? UH, THE HOW IT WORKS IS THAT THE TRAFFIC COMING TOWARDS PINEHURST WOULD STOP AND THE TRAFFIC THAT'S ALREADY PASSED PINEHURST OR PASSED THE SIGNALS WOULD BE FREE TO CLEAR OUT.
AND THEN AS SOON AS THE UM, ENGINE ACTUALLY IS ABLE TO GET TO 1 46, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A FREE PATH EITHER SOUTHBOUND OR NORTHBOUND.
AND THEN, UM, AFTER A PRESET AMOUNT OF TIME, THE, UM, THE SIGNAL WOULD GO BACK INTO NORMAL PHASING.
AND, UM, THE COST ON THIS IS NOT TERRIBLY EXPENSIVE.
IS IT JUST LIKE A MORE OF A, OF A ADDITIONAL DEVICE THAT GOES IN CONJUNCTION WHAT'S ALREADY THERE? YES, SIR.
IT'S A, THERE WOULD BE A, UH, PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT GETS INSTALLED IN EACH OF THE CABINETS AND THE FIRE STATION WOULD HAVE A, UM, WE COULD MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A BIG RED BUTTON.
AND THEY PRESS IT AND IT IT INITIATE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON STATION SIX, I GUESS? UM, EGRESS IMPROVEMENT ENTRANCE TO 1 46.
I GOT ONE COMMENT THAT I THINK THAT'LL WORK AND IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY NEEDED.
IF YOU EVER BEEN DOWN, UH, HIGHWAY 1 46 GOING NORTH OR SOUTH AT SEVEN O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING OR BETWEEN FOUR AND SIX IN THE EVENING, IT'S A MESS THERE.
BUT I WILL HAVE TO CORRECT YOU ON ONE THING.
YEAH, THESE, THE WHITE STROBES THAT WERE PUT IN ON THE RED LIGHTS WERE FOR ONE REASON AND ONE REASON ONLY.
IT'S FOR THE PEOPLE RUNNING THE RED LIGHTS.
AH, IT WAS GETTING SO OUTTA HAND THAT WE WENT TO THE STATE OF TEXAS AND ASKED IF THEY WOULD PUT 'EM IN AND THEY SAID, YEAH, THAT MIGHT TAKE 5, 6, 7 YEARS.
SO WE WENT OUT THERE ON, I TALKED TO THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER AND THEY GOT THE CITY OF BAYTOWN.
WE SNUCK OUT THERE LATE AT NIGHT AND PUT ALL THESE THINGS IN, UH, WHETHER ANYMORE THE STATE LIKED IT OR OR NOT.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S WHY THE STROSS GOT THERE.
AND IT STILL LIKE THAT FROM TIME TO TIME, THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE RUNNING THESE RED LIGHTS, IT'S, IT'S BAD OUT THERE.
SO THAT'S WHY THE STROBES GOT PUT IN THERE.
AND TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON SOMETHING ABOUT THAT AS WELL, UM, WE'VE TO MAKE THEM MORE VISIBLE, UM, TDOT IS PUSHING SOME SPECIAL, UH, BACK PLATES FOR AREAS THAT HAVE, THAT ARE MORE DIFFICULT TO SEE OR HAVE HIGHER, UM, RED LIGHT RUNNING MM-HMM
UM, AND, UH, ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES IN ANOTHER CITY ASKED ME IF, IF TDOT'S UH, PUSHED IT DOWN HERE YET AND THEY HAVE NOT, BUT TDOT'S REQUIRING IT IN OTHER DISTRICTS A HUNDRED PERCENT.
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IT ESSENTIALLY, IT'S A RETRO REFLECTIVE STRIP THAT GOES AROUND THE OUTSIDE OF THE SIGNAL TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SEE.I GUESS MY ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE, IT JUST SEEMS THIS, THIS IS JUST A WORK SESSION ITEM.
I DON'T, DO WE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO AN ORDINANCE OR ANY, OR VOTE ON AT ANY FUTURE MEETING, IS IT, OR SOMETHING Y'ALL COULD JUST DO AS A SAFETY ENHANCEMENT, CORRECT.
THIS, THIS GET YOUR, YOUR READ ON IT, YOUR, YOUR PERSPECTIVE.
OBVIOUSLY FROM HERE WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE THAT BUDGET, ET CETERA, UH, WHOLE PROCESS.
SO JUST, JUST TO HEAR FROM YOU.
AND AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC EQUIPMENT GOES, IT'S NOT A CHANGE TO WHAT IT CAN DO, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE LAWS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S JUST A SLIGHTLY UH, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY OF OPERATING IS ALL.
WELL, THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR COUNCILMAN HOSKINS, OBVIOUSLY FOR BRINGING THE ISSUE UP.
WANT THE SAME STATION YOU WANT, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES, IT CERTAINLY MAKES THAT AREA IT IS UNSAFE.
EL CHACO, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER, THE, THE, I GUESS THE LEFT HAND TURN LANE OFF EL CHACO TO GET INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I WAIT FOREVER STILL, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE, RIGHT? WE, WE, WE'VE UH, CHALLENGED THAT LOT SEVERAL TIMES.
[b. Receive and discuss a proposed residential development east of N. Main Street and north of Wallisville Road.]
WITH MOTORCYCLES, EVERYBODY WANNA BE RECEIV AND DISCUSS A PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT EAST OF NORTH MAIN STREET AND NORTH OF VILLE ROAD? MR. GAR? GOOD EVENING COUNSEL.SINCE WE, UM, HAVE LIMITED TIME.
UM, CASTLE ROCK IS A VERY WELL KNOWN BUILDER IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THEY'VE BEEN OUT HERE FOR, OH, ABOUT, UH, ALMOST 16 YEARS DOING A WORK IN, UH, SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF EIGHT TO 10 DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS.
AND, UH, THEY'RE LOOKING TO TAKE DOWN A PIECE OF PROPERTY ALONG NORTH MAIN, JUST, UH, NORTH OF VILLE ROAD.
AND BRIAN SMITH WITH CASTLE ROCK IS HERE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION FOR HIM.
THAT'S MY OFFICE BECAUSE IT'S AN OFFICE.
THIS IS JUST FOR ME TO LOOK AT.
I WANNA PUT IT IN PRESENTATION HERE.
SUPPOSED TO HIT THIS, THIS TO MOVE IT.
WELL FIRST OFF, COUNCIL MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR HAVING TIME FOR ME TO COME IN AND PRESENT THE PROPOSAL THAT, UH, CASTLE ROCK'S PUTTING ON.
IF I COULD VERY QUICKLY LIKE TO INTRODUCE, UH, THREE OTHER FOLKS, UH, TEAM OF CASTLE ROCK PEOPLE, WE'VE GOT ASHLEY YODER, PLEASE STAND UP.
UM, WE'VE GOT ALEX VAN DOUSER WITH OUR ENGINEER AND ANDY ZEPEDA, DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.
I DON'T WANT TO STAND UP HERE AND ACT LIKE I'M THE ONLY GUY DOING THIS.
UM, SO I UNDERSTAND WE, UH, NEED SOME QUICK MOVEMENT HERE.
SO I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THE SLIDESHOW, BUT PLEASE STOP ME AT ANY MOMENT AND, UH, ASK ME QUESTIONS OR WE CAN WRAP BY THAT UP TOWARDS THE END.
SO CASTLE ROCK HAS, HAS GOT A CONTRACT ON 70 ACRE TRACK, NOT TOO FAR FROM GOOSE CREEK, WHICH WE'LL SHOW HERE IN A MINUTE.
UH, WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON 15, 60 FOOT LOTS, VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO THE CURRENT PROJECT WE HAVE OUT THERE.
UH, THE HOUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS OUR MODEL HOME OUT GOOSE CREEK.
THIS WILL BE ONE OF THE HOMES THAT WOULD BE BUILT OUT THERE.
UH, VERY QUICKLY, JUST CASTLE ROCK IN GENERAL IS WE'VE BUILT OVER 10,000 HOMES AND CLOSED THEM.
UM, PRETTY GOOD SIZED BUILDER, NOT NATIONAL, BUT A PRIVATE BUILDER IN TEXAS.
WE BUILD IN HOUSTON, AUSTIN, SAN ANTONIO, AND DALLAS.
HOUSTON IS OUR LARGEST, UH, HOME BUILDING OPERATION.
UH, INTERESTING OR MORE INTEREST TO YOU.
WHAT WE'VE DONE IN BAYTOWN, THESE ARE THE PROJECTS WE'VE BUILT IN.
WE'RE CURRENTLY ACTIVE IN LINWOOD AND STILL ACTIVE IN GOOSE CREEK AS WELL.
THIS IS A LAND PLAN OF GOOSE CREEK.
UH, JUST A HELICOPTER VIEW OF WHERE IT'S AT.
I 10 NORTH UP TOWARDS THE HIGH SCHOOL.
AND THEN THIS IS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER LOOK AT THE PROJECT ITSELF.
SO THIS IS THE LAND WE CURRENTLY HAVE UNDER CONTRACT, AND WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT THE LAND PLAN, WHICH WE'LL SHOW.
AND TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE, UH, TO, TO DO THIS.
WE'RE PROPOSING AND ASKING TO BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY AND CREATE A PIT.
UH, WE'VE GOT ABOUT, UM, $17 MILLION THAT WE NEED TO INVEST TO DO THIS.
WE, WITHOUT THE PIT, WE JUST CAN'T DO IT.
SO WE NEED THE CITY'S HELP IN DOING A PIT TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
IF, IF THAT CAN'T HAPPEN, THEN WE GO AWAY AND TRY TO FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO.
BUT WE DO THINK IT'S A GOOD VEHICLE.
I'LL TALK ABOUT SOME NUMBERS, HOW MUCH VALUE THAT WE'LL BRING TO THE CITY,
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AND I THINK IT'S A WIN-WIN SITUATION FOR EVERYBODY.I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG PART OF IT.
UH, IT'S BEEN THROUGH, IT'S BEEN TO THE CITY AND THE PLANNERS TWO TIMES.
THIS IS OUR THIRD VERSION OF IT.
WE'VE MADE SOME CHANGES BASED ON COMMENTS BACK FROM THE CITY, AND WE'VE MADE SOME CHANGES OURSELVES THAT WE PUT IN JUST TO TRY TO MAKE THE, THE PLAN LOOK, UH, UH, BETTER, FEEL BETTER AND ACCOMPLISH SOME THINGS THAT WE HOPE IN THE FUTURE WILL BE POSSIBLE.
UH, IT, IT IS NOT A, IT'S NOT HI, A HIDDEN FACT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOME MORE LAND TO ASSEMBLE WITH THIS.
SO IF WE'RE ABLE TO PUT THIS PIECE IN PLAY, WE THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO SOME THINGS TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH AND ACTUALLY MAKE EVEN A BIGGER AND BETTER PROJECT OUT OF IT ALL.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THIS UNDER CONTRACT AND OF COURSE WITH SELLERS, YOU GOTTA MOVE WHILE THEY'LL ALLOW YOU TO BUY IT.
SO WE'RE, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY, UH, TALKING TO BRETT AND, UH, UH, UH, PIT CONSULTANT FOR THE CITY ON ALL THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO.
UH, WE, WE THINK WE HAVE OUR HANDS AROUND THAT WE HAVE NOT DONE A P WITH THE CITY BEFORE, SO IT'S OUR FIRST TIME THROUGH.
AND SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE DOING IT, UH, UH, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
WE, WE ARE WORKING HARD TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW TO DO IT.
UM, I'LL HAVE A FEW MORE DETAILS HERE IN JUST A MOMENT, BUT A QUICK LITTLE SUMMARY.
UH, WE PLAN ON DEVELOPING INTO TWO PHASES.
AGAIN, 50 AND 60 FOOT LOTS, 50 FOOT LOTS AND, AND, AND I'M SORRY, 50 FOOT LOTS AND 55 FOOT LOTS IN PHASE ONE, 50 FOOT LOTS AND 55 FOOT LOTS IN PHASE TWO.
UH, I'LL, I'LL GO FORWARD ONE MORE TIME HERE.
UH, OUR, OUR PLAN IS TO HAVE A, A SMALLER PARK.
WE, WE WANTED A SMALLER, WHAT WE WOULD CALL A PASSIVE PARK ASSOCIATED WITH THE ENTRY RIGHT UP FRONT.
SO WHEN YOU COME IN, INSTEAD OF HAVING THAT HEADLIGHT LOT WHERE SOMEONE COMES AND THEIR HEADLIGHTS ARE HITTING A HOUSE, UH, YOU'LL HAVE ACTUALLY KIND OF A TRANSITION OF WHAT THE ENTRYWAY LOOKS LIKE RIGHT INTO A PARK.
WE THINK IT'LL MAKE A MUCH BETTER ENTRANCE.
IT'S ALSO GONNA BE WHAT WE CONSIDER THE TRAIL HEAD FOR A TRAIL THAT WE'RE GONNA BUILD FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK AROUND THE POND.
THERE'LL BE A TRAIL SYSTEM THERE FOR WALKING, WALKING YOUR DOGS, GETTING EXERCISE.
WE'VE GOT, UH, IF, IF YOU START FROM THE FRONT, GO DOWN AROUND THE POND AND COME BACK, UH, YOU CAN CLOCK YOURSELF AS A MILE.
SO IT'S BE GOOD EXERCISE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND THAT'S IN ADDITION IF THEY WALK THROUGH THEIR STREETS AND STUFF.
SO WE'VE GOT ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILE AROUND THE POND, OR I'M SORRY, HALF A MILE AROUND THE POND AND A QUARTER MILE UP AND BACK ALONG THE, UH, ALONG THE PATHWAY.
SO AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN SHAPING AND RESHAPING THIS LAND PLAN QUITE A BIT.
SO WE DO, I DO HAVE OUR LAND PLANNER, UH, AND THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT ENGAGED AND READY TO GO, BUT WE KEEP CHANGING SHAPES AND SIZES OF PARKS AND TRAIL SYSTEMS. SO WE HAVE NOT CUT HIM LOOSE ON FI ANY KIND OF FINAL DESIGNS.
I PUT THIS TOGETHER JUST TO LET Y'ALL KNOW AT THE ENTRANCE.
UH, THIS IS THE GOOSE CREEK LANDING SIGN.
PECAN ESTATE FINDS THIS, THIS IS OVER IN CROSBY.
SO JUST TO GET AN IDEA OF SOMETHING WE WOULD DO BE DOING UP FRONT.
THESE ARE THE ONE'S, A REAL PICTURE.
THE OTHER ONE IS, IS WHAT CAME OUT OF THE PLAN.
UH, WE DO HAVE A SECOND ENTRANCE COMING IN, SO THERE'S TWO ENTRANCES INTO THE COMMUNITY.
WE'LL DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE MAJOR ENTRANCE.
WE'LL JUST TAKE IT DOWN AND SCALE SOMEWHAT, BUT STILL HAVE SOME UNIFORMITY OUT THERE.
UH, PATHWAY AGAIN, IS, THERE'S NOT ANY MAGIC TO THE PATHWAY, BUT WE'LL HAVE A WINDING, UH, PATHWAY WITH BENCHES, UH, DOG STATIONS, TREES, SHRUBS, THINGS TO JUST MAKE IT NICE AS YOU'RE WALKING BETWEEN THE TWO PARKS AND DOWN TO THE POND.
UH, AGAIN, UH, JUST WHEN WE TALK TO FAMILIES, IT'S ONE OF THEIR BIGGEST ASKS IS, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE PLACES FOR US TO WALK AND EXERCISE? WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.
UH, AGAIN, THE, THE, THE LOWER, THE LOWER PICTURE IS PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE SIMILAR LIKE THAT.
AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL DESIGN YET OF THESE AREAS, BUT, UH, ONE THING I KNOW FROM SO MANY HOMEOWNER MEETINGS AND DOING THIS MANY, MANY TIMES, THE, THE PARENTS WANT A, A, A, A BIGGER PLAYGROUND, TYPICALLY WANT SWINGS.
THEY WANT A SMALLER PLAYGROUND FOR THE TOTS.
THESE DON'T SHOW WHAT IF YOU GO TO GOOSE CREEK.
WE'VE GOT SHADE STRUCTURES OVER A LOT OF 'EM.
AND THEN WE'LL ALSO PUT IN A GATHERING AREA THAT WILL EITHER HAVE, IT'LL BE A PAVILION TYPE THING AND IT'LL BE A PLACE WHERE ON NIGHT OUT PEOPLE GO, IF THE HOMEOWNERS, UH, HAVE A HALLOWEEN PARTY OR THINGS, SOME PLACES
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THEY CAN GATHER, WE'LL TRY TO HAVE ELECTRICAL POWER OUT THERE IF THEY WANT TO DO SOME KIND OF BLOW UP STUFF.AGAIN, WHAT WHAT HELPS IS DOING THIS FOR A WHILE AND GETTING THE FEEDBACK FROM THEM AS TO WHAT WORKS FOR THEM.
AND SOME THINGS YOU PUT IN AND THEY GO, NOBODY USES THAT.
SO WE LEARN OVER TIME, UH, PRODUCT, UH, JUST JUST THE SAME AS GOOSE CREEK.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE COBALT SILVER AND I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THOSE AND POSSIBLY A GOLD, UH, SERIES.
WE DID BUILD SOME GOLD IN GOOSE CREEK, WHICH, UH, UH, JUST GONNA DEPEND ON THE MARKET AND IF, IF THEY CAN TAKE IT, UH, THE COBALT SERIES RIGHT NOW, I WOULD ESTIMATE THESE ARE, THESE ARE REAL NUMBERS COMING OUTTA GOOSE CREEK.
SO THE BASE NUMBERS, IT'S AMAZING HOW MUCH PEOPLE PUT INTO THEIR HOUSES.
IT COULD BE 10 TO $40,000 MORE THAN THE NUMBERS I'M THROWING AT YOU.
SO ON OUR COBALT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE STARTING OFF AT THE TWO 20 FIVES, UM, GOING UP TO 2 95.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST THE BASE PRICE COMING IN.
UM, QUICK REPRESENTATION OF WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT THERE.
UM, THIS SERIES STARTS AT THE, UH, TWO 40 FIVES GOES UP TO THE THREE THIRTIES.
AGAIN, BASE PRICES, UM, NOT SURPRISED IF YOU'LL SEE ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, 30, $40,000 ON TOP OF THOSE.
UM, I DO NOT HAVE THE GOLD SERIES, BUT IF WE DO THE GOLD SERIES, IT RANGES FROM THREE 15 TO 4 35 JUST BASE PRICES.
UM, JUST FOR EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE'VE PUT ON THE GROUND OUT IN GOOSE CREEK, WE JUST RECENTLY, UH, CHECKED ON OUR VALUES OF THE SEPTEMBER 1ST AND WE'VE PUT, UH, $68 MILLION WORTH OF VALUE OUT ON THE GROUND THERE.
IF YOU DIVIDE THAT BY OUR HOMES WE'RE PUSHING, IT WAS 2 59.
SO WE'RE PUSHING AN AVERAGE PRICE OF TWO 60 OUT THERE.
AND I DON'T, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO TRY TO KEEP PRICES DOWN, BUT I DON'T SEE 'EM GOING DOWN.
I THINK THEY'RE GONNA KEEP RISING.
AGAIN, JUST SOME, UH, JUST SOME SPECS HERE THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT IN YOUR PACKAGE.
UH, PROJECT HOMES THAT I WENT OVER, THIS IS A COMBINATION OF THE COBALT SERIES AND THE SILVER SERIES.
UH, CASTLE ROCK HAS BEEN GROWING OVER THE YEARS.
YOU CAN SEE WE HAD A LITTLE DIP WHEN THE HOME BUILDING INDUSTRY REALLY SHUT DOWN, BUT CASTLE ROCK STAYED IN BUSINESS AND WE'VE BEEN GOING UP AND UH, WE BELIEVE TWO 20 IS GONNA BE A GOOD YEAR FOR US.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S SUCH A CRAZY YEAR, BUT HOME BUILDING'S DONE WELL AND WE, UH, WE REALLY SEE A BRIGHT, UH, YEAR COMING FORWARD FOR US AS WELL.
AND AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO REALLY KIND OF GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF ALL THIS AND TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE COMING HERE TO SAY WE NEED HELP.
WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF MONEY INTO THIS LAND AND THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE NEED THE CITY TO WORK WITH US AND DO THIS PI STRUCTURE, WHICH IS A REIMBURSEMENT, UH, STRUCTURE.
NOT UNUSUAL, UH, BUT WITHOUT THAT RE RE UH, REIMBURSEMENT STRUCTURE, THESE HOME PRICES THAT I TALKED ABOUT, THEY'D GO THROUGH THE ROOF AND I THINK YOU'D PRICE YOUR HOME BUYERS OUT OF THE MARKET AND WE JUST WOULDN'T HAVE A PROJECT.
SO WITH THAT, I'M READY TO ANSWER WHAT QUESTIONS I CAN.
UH, I GUESS WE'LL START A FEW QUESTIONS.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR, I WILL SAY I DO APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION.
I DO APPRECIATE YOU, UH, YOU SEEKING ANNEXATION INTO THE CITY AND SO, UH, WE'LL SEE WHERE THOSE, WHERE THOSE THINGS WORK OUT.
UM, I'M ASSUMING YOU WORKED WITH STAFF AND THEY RELAYED A LOT OF WHAT WE'VE TOLD OTHER HOME BUILDERS AND KIND OF THE EXPECTATIONS ON SOME GENERAL SPECS WHEN IT COMES TO LAND DEVELOPMENT AND, AND WHAT WE RECEIVED, MASONRY REQUIREMENTS AND SO ON.
SO I'M ASSUMING YOU HEARD A LOT OF THAT? YES.
SO IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS THEY HAVE? I HAVE ONE, BUT I'LL I'LL HOLD OFF, BUT IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS WE CAN HAVE? WE'LL START WITH, I HAVE ONE REAL QUICK QUESTION AND MY QUESTION.
WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH PARKING.
WE DON'T LIKE A LOT OF STREET PARKING.
SO SETBACKS, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT FOR AS DRIVEWAY DEPTHS? CAN WE GET A COUPLE CARS IN THERE AND NOT BLOCK SIDEWALKS OR IT DOESN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT TALKED ABOUT THE SETBACKS? WELL, YOUR, YOUR OWN REQUIREMENTS ARE GONNA HAVE US SETBACK FAR ENOUGH TO WHERE YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE TWO CARS IN A DRIVEWAY PAST THE SIDEWALKS AND BE OUTSIDE.
SO YOU'RE HITTING OUR MINIMUM REQUIRED.
REQUIRED JUST THE MINIMUM ON THAT.
WELL, I, I THINK I BELIEVE SO.
AND, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO GO CHANGE THAT WOULD JUST BE THE, UH, OUR HOMES GOT SOME QUITE A BIT OF DEPTH IN THEM.
SO IF, IF YOU PUSH 'EM TOO FAR BACK, WE COULD EASILY LOSE.
I MEAN WE, WE'VE ALREADY LOST 30 TO 35 HOMES JUST KIND OF TWEAKING THE LAND PLAN.
IF YOU'RE LI TO LOSE BLOCK AFTER BLOCK IF YOU INCREASE IT MORE THAN THAT.
BUT THERE WILL BE ROOM FOR, FOR, UH, CARS TO PARK IN FRONT OF
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THE GARAGE IF THEY DON'T, AND I KNOW THE HOME, THE FOLKS AT THEIR HOMES DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THEIR GARAGES EMPTY TO GET 'EM IN THERE.BUT, UH, YEAH, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GET AT LEAST TWO CARS, UH, ON THE HOUSE SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK.
YEAH, I JUST SENSITIVE TO EVERYBODY IN THE STREET, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS SO MUCH, WHATEVER REASON, WE DON'T PARK OUR CARS IN GARAGES FOR THE MOST PART, BUT I THINK WHAT THEY'RE DOING, OUR REQUIREMENTS WILL ALLOW FOR A CAR TO BE PARKED AND NOT BLOCK, BLOCK THE SIDEWALK.
SO MAYBE EITHER BRETT OR SOMEBODY FROM PLANNING COULD SPEAK TO THE REQUIREMENT, BUT THEY'RE SAYING THEY'LL MEET OUR REQUIREMENT, UM, WITH THAT EXPECTATION.
SO I, I THINK THEY'RE, UH, THANK YOU LISTENING TO BRIAN.
HI ALEX VAN ER WITH CUP FINLEY.
THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR HAVING US HERE.
I BELIEVE THE CITY'S MINIMUM SETBACK IS A 15 FOOT FRONT SETBACK.
UM, CASTLE ROCK INTENDS TO DO A 25 FOOT SETBACK, WHICH WOULD MIRROR EXACTLY WHAT WAS IN GOOSE CREEK LANDING.
SO IT WOULD EXCEED THE MINIMUM SETBACK REQUIREMENT REQUIRED BY THE CITY ORDINANCE.
SO COULD YOU DO AN F THREE 50, YOU THINK AN F THREE 50 WOULD BE ABLE TO FIT THERE? UH, YES.
MAYBE A LITTLE IFFY, BUT A UH, F THREE 50 WITH THE SHORT BED WOULD DEFINITELY FIT.
BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE GARAGE, WE GOT AXLE ANYWAY, SO SOMETHING COUNSEL, WE APPRECIATE IT.
I GUESS ONE QUESTION TO FOLLOW UP.
SO HOW ABOUT YOUR, YOUR STREET WIDTH? 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S BEEN AN AREA THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED MANY STAFF HERE.
UH, SO, UH, CURRENTLY FOR THE, UH, ORDINANCE IN THE DESIGN CRITERIA IS, UH, 28 FOOT BACK TO CURB, UH, BACK TO CURB.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE ON THIS, EXCEPT FOR THE ENTRANCE ROADS, THERE WOULD BE AN EXTRA WIDE ENTRANCE ROAD, UM, I THINK ON THE MAIN ENTRANCE WOULD HAVE A BOULEVARD TYPE ENTRANCE.
AND THAT WOULD BE I THINK A DUAL LANE, 24 FOOT EACH SIDE.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THE NORTHERN ENTRANCE WOULD BE YOUR TYPICAL 28 FOOT ENTRANCE ROAD.
SINCE COBB FINLEY YOU SAID, RIGHT? COBB FINLEY, YES SIR.
SO YOU'RE, SO SINCE YOU'RE STILL HERE, LET ME, LET ME ASK ONE MORE QUESTION THEN ON THAT.
UM, BUT FRONTS NORTH MAIN, UH, I COULDN'T TELL FROM THE FROM THE, THE DIAGRAM ITSELF, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE NORTH MAIN ITSELF.
IS THERE ANY RIGHT OF WAY TO HAVE A, SOME TYPE OF SIDEWALK OR TRAIL THAT WOULD FRONT NORTH MAINE THAT RIGHT AWAY? I'M, I DON'T BELIEVE SO, BUT, UM, THE, THE PLAN THAT CASTLE ROCK HAS WITH THE LAND PLANNER, THEY ARE PROVIDING A, UH, LANDSCAPE SETBACK, RESERVE, A RESERVE FOR, SIMILAR TO GOOSE CREEK LANDING.
UM, THE TRICK WITH THE GOOSE CREEK LANDING AT THAT TIME, UH, GARTH ROAD WAS A OPEN DITCH AND I THINK NORTH MAIN IS THE SAME.
SO, UM, THERE, THERE THE FENCES WILL BE SET BACK, PARDON ME, UH, SET BACK FURTHER THAN THE PROPERTY LINE.
THEY ARE ALLOCATING ADDITIONAL SPACE.
IF, IF IT'S, IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO DESIGN, I GUESS MY ASK WOULD BE THAT, UH, I GUESS YOUR SOUTH ENTRANCE CLOSEST TO VILLE, UM, IF IT'S ABLE TO HAVE A, A A RIGHT OF WAY OR A TRAIL OR ABILITY TO HAVE A SIDEWALK TRAIL ALONG NORTH MAINE THAT COULD EVENTUALLY, UH, GO TO, TO VILLE.
THE REASON WHY WE HAVE, UM, 60 TO 120 ACRES THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE FOR PARK LAND CORRECT.
AS A REGIONAL PARK, UM, IN THE FUTURE.
AND IT'S THERE, BUT, UM, AS IT GETS DEVELOPED, I WOULD HATE TO LOSE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND THE UH, AND THE PARK THE CORNER.
YOU SEE THAT GREEN SPACE FROM THE ENTRANCE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES.
YOU WOULD, YOU'D BE ABLE YES, SIR.
YEAH, IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE ON THE NORTH ONE, BUT AT LEAST ON THE SOUTH ONE AT LEAST IT WOULD'VE.
I I, I REVERSED WHAT I I MEANT TO SAY THAT, THAT THAT'S THE ONE.
SO IT LOOKED LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH RIGHT AWAY WHERE, UH, UH, A A SIDEWALK OR SOMETHING TO, TO PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY.
AND THEN IF THERE'S A FUTURE OCCUPANT OF THE CORNER PROPERTY AND, AND THE OTHER TWO PLATTED, THEN, YOU KNOW, BUT THE IDEA IS TO, TO ALLOW THE ABILITY FOR THAT CONNECTIVITY TO TAKE PLACE.
AND MAYOR, WE MAYOR, WE HAVE NOT DONE A FULL REVIEW OF THE PROJECT, SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY TO MEET ALL THE FUTURE NEEDS BEYOND JUST THE TRAIL.
UM, MEAN THERE'S GONNA BE OTHER GROWTH NORTH OF HERE, SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY TO MEET ALL THE FUTURE GROWTH.
SO YES, THE REASON WHY YOU LOOKED, UH, AT GARTH GARTH ROAD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT WE JUST SOLVED.
SO A LOT OF THAT IS THAT CONNECTIVITY.
AND SO THIS IS WITH, WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION AND NEW DEVELOPMENT, I THINK WE TRY TO PUT ALL THOSE AMENITIES OF QUALITY OF, OF LIVING IN PLACE.
AND SO I JUST HATE TO LOSE THAT OPPORTUNITY WHEN IT'S STILL JUST DRAWINGS ON PAPER RIGHT NOW.
UM, I WOULD EVEN ASK MAYBE SOME CONNECTIVITY FOR GOOSE CREEK.
UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL PROGRAM AND SO IF THERE'S SOME SORT OF CONNECTIVITY OVER TO GCM ALSO.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I GUESS, SO WHAT IS OUR NEXT STEP THEN? IS THERE A TIMELINE ON ANNEXATION? UH, I'M ASSUMING THIS IS A WORK SESSION, SO THERE'S NOT A DECISION TO BE MADE TONIGHT OTHER THAN LOOKING AT WHAT'S PRESENTED TO US.
YEAH, WE, WE NEED TO KNOW, WE NEEDED TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO START TALKING TO 'EM, WORKING THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS,
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BUT BRETT WILL FILL YOU IN ON THE TIMELINE FOR NEXT STEPS.YEAH, WE ANTICIPATE MEETING NEXT WEEK TO SIT DOWN AND START WALKING THROUGH WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WILL BE AND MATCHING IT UP WITH THE PICTURES THAT THEY'VE SHOWN, UH, INCLUDING OUR STANDARDS THAT WE WANNA SEE UP IN THAT DEVELOPMENT.
THE ANNEXATION AND PID PROCESS WILL START IN JANUARY.
THEY'LL WORK ON PARALLEL PATHS AND, UM, THE ANNEXATION PROCESS HAS TO GO THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING TWICE BEFORE IT COMES TO YOU GUYS.
THE PI PROCESS WILL START, UM, WITH YOU GUYS WITH THEM APPLYING FOR IT, YOU GUYS ACCEPTING IT, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME PUBLICATION PERIODS FOR IT, BUT THAT'LL ALSO TAKE ABOUT A 90 DAY PERIOD AS WELL.
SO WE'RE ANTICIPATING THE END, END OF QUARTER 1, 20 21.
YOU GUYS WILL BE PRESENTED WITH BOTH THE ANNEXATION FOR THIS PROJECT AND THE PIT APPROVAL FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO BY THE END OF MARCH OF NEXT YEAR, ALL APPROVAL SHOULD BE IN PLACE THROUGH YOU AND THEY SHOULD BE, UH, READY TO GET BUSY.
ANY, I KNOW, I BELIEVE IF THIS WOULD BE ANNEX, THIS WOULD BE A, A DISTRICT FOUR ANNEXATION.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL SPECS THAT YOU WANNA PROVIDE.
SO I'M, I'M GOOD WITH IT OVERALL AND UH, WHEN WE DID THE PIT AND THE MUD GUIDELINES YEARS AGO, I REMEMBER THE 100 ACRE MINIMUM.
SO HAVE WE JUST, UH, DECIDED TO BE A LITTLE MORE LOOSEY GOOSEY ON THOSE? OR IS THIS, OR IS THERE SOME MITIGATING FACTORS THAT, THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH IT BEING 30 ACRES LESS THAN THE 100 ACRE GUIDELINE? OR DO WE LOOK AT THOSE GUIDELINES ANYMORE? WE DO, YEAH, WITH A MUD IT MAKES SENSE TO BE A HUNDRED ACRES OR LARGER ONLY BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A, A DEVELOPER RUN TYPE OF PROJECT AND THEY NEED TO HAVE MORE ACREAGE TO PUT MORE HOMES ON THE GROUND WITH A PIT BECAUSE IT'S MORE OF, UM, A REIMBURSEMENT STRUCTURE.
IT'S REALLY BASED ON THE VALUE THAT'S GOING ON THE GROUND.
SO FROM A CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE NOT COMMITTING ANY FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO THIS PROJECT.
UM, THE PI, WE JUST ANALYZE IT AND WE APPROVE IT, AND THEN OF COURSE THE CITY'S NAME IS ATTACHED TO THE BONDS THAT ARE SOLD ON IT.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE A FINANCIAL OBLIGATION, BUT, UH, HELPS THE BONDS TO GET SOLD ON THE OPEN MARKET.
SO THE ACREAGE ON A PI SIDE TRULY IS, IS REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THE VALUE IS THERE TO DO IT, THEN THE INVESTORS WELL, WELL I UNDERSTAND AND I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT, BUT WHY DO WE HAVE A 100 ACRE MINIMUM THEN EVEN ON BIDS? I, I CAN, I CAN TRY TO ANSWER.
I WOULDN'T HERE, SO I, I MEAN MAYBE WE NEED TO REVISE THAT IF IT MAKES NO SENSE.
I I, I COULD TELL YOU WHAT, WHAT I WAS TOLD IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THAT, BUT SURE.
I, I THINK WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING, I, I WASN'T HERE WHEN THE POLICY WAS ENACTED, I DON'T BELIEVE, I THINK IT WAS IN 2018, BUT IT WAS TO AVOID SOMEONE HAVING 10 ACRES AND SAY THEY WANT A PIT OR SOMETHING.
BUT IT IS A GUIDELINE 'CAUSE THERE WAS SOME STUFF IN THERE THAT WAS VALUE.
THERE WAS THE, UM, CERTAINLY THE UM, THE ACREAGE, UH, 'CAUSE I HAD SOME INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE 89 ACRES AND THEY WANT TO KNOW KIND OF HOW WOULD THAT GO.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING THE, THE, THE POLICY IS A GUIDELINE, UM, THAT WAS PASSED.
I'M JUST, I'M ASKING YEAH, THERE'S NOT IGNORING IT.
I MEAN, I WILL TELL YOU, I THINK IT IS PREFERABLE TO HAVE IT BE A HUNDRED ACRES.
AND THIS ONE OBVIOUSLY IS, IS NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY TALKED ABOUT THE CONNECTION THERE IS GREEN SPACE TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH.
I THINK IN AN IDEAL WORLD, AND THEY TALKED THROUGH, THEY WOULD IDEALLY LIKE TO HAVE THE PROPERTY AS WELL.
UM, YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE A BIGGER PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY TO START OUT WITH, YOU SEE SOME CONNECTIONS TO THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH.
IDEALLY IT'S BETTER TO HAVE THAT PLANNED OUT FROM DAY ONE.
UM, THEY'RE WANTING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH JUST THIS PIECE RIGHT NOW.
SO IT, IT HASN'T BEEN IGNORED.
UM, THIS ONE IS JUST A, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT CASE AND, AND THEY THINK THEY CAN MAKE IT WORK BEING UNDER A HUNDRED, BUT I THINK IN GENERAL IT'S A GOOD GUIDELINE TO YEAH, FOR IT TO BE OVER A HUNDRED ACRES.
WELL THAT WAS MY QUESTION IS DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE GUIDELINES AGAIN OR IS IT, IS IT STILL, REMEMBER MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THE POLICY IS FOR YOU AS KIND OF A YARDSTICK TO MEASURE, UH, DEVELOPMENTS.
BUT YOU, YOU CERTAINLY CAN, CAN APPROVE PARTICIPATION IN A PIT OR MUD, NOT WITHSTANDING, UH, SOME OF THOSE STANDARDS, BUT THERE ARE A WAY FOR YOU TO DETERMINE, IS THIS REALLY A PRODUCT THAT LIFTS OUR COMMUNITY? IS THIS TRULY SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE WANT TO INVEST OUR ENERGY AND TIME AND SUPPORT OF? WELL, I WILL SAY IT'S A FAIR COMMENT.
I MEAN, WHEN I SAW IT, I I HAD THE SAME THOUGHT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, IT'S A GUIDELINE, UH, AND YOU LOOK AT THE, THE MERIT OF THE ENTIRE PROPERTY ITSELF.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'S WHY I TOOK I UNDERSTAND.
NO, IT'S A VERY FAIR QUESTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THEN? OKAY, THANK YOU.
SO THAT IS ITEM, THAT WAS ITEM ONE
[c. Discuss any or all of the agenda items on the City Council Regular Meeting Agenda for December 10, 2020, which is attached below. ]
B.SO WE HAVE ITEM ONE C WOULD, IT WOULD BE TO DISCUSS ANY OR ALL AGENDA ITEMS THAT ARE POSTED FOR THE REGULAR MEETING HERE TO FOLLOW IN THE NEXT 10 MINUTES.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE POSTED AGENDA ITEM? YES.
CAN WE JUST TOUCH ON RICK, THE RATIONALE ON THE, UH, ONE OF THE ITEMS ON CONSENT? I, I CAN'T QUITE HEAR YOU CHRIS.
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MALL, THE MALL AGENDA ITEM PLEASE? WHAT WE'RE, WHAT THE, WHAT WE'RE ACHIEVING AND WHAT IT CONSISTS OF THE SUBSTANCE OF IT CCCC AS INSI C TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH RETAIL ASSOCIATES? YEAH, KAREN'S GONNA EXPLAIN.YEAH, SO THIS AMENDMENT, OUR CURRENT AGREEMENT SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO CALL A PARTY IN DEFAULT WITHIN A YEAR AFTER THE BREACH.
TYPICALLY, THERE'S NO STATUTE OF LIMITATION ON CALLING SOMEBODY IN A BREACH.
SO THIS MERELY JUST DISPENSES WHAT THAT ONE ELEMENT THAT'S ALL THIS DOES.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IF, I MEAN TECHNICALLY WE'VE ALREADY SENT THE DEFAULT LETTER, HOW, HOW WERE WE ABLE TO SEND A DEFAULT LETTER IF THEY WEREN'T IN BREACH BY THE END OF THE YEAR? I'M JUST TRYING TO RECONCILE BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEY WERE IN BREACH.
NOW WE'RE SAYING THEY'RE NOT IN IN BREACH UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR.
NO, WE HAVE TO CALL THEM IN BREACH WITHIN A YEAR.
SO WE WANNA DISPENSE WITH THAT REQUIREMENT SO WE'RE NOT TIED TO ANY SORT OF DATE TO CALL THEM IN BREACH.
SO THE LETTER THAT WE SENT WASN'T REALLY A DEFAULT LETTER.
IT WAS MORE OF A DEMAND LETTER.
IT WAS A DEMAND LETTER FOR THEM TO PAY.
'CAUSE THEY WEREN'T IN DEFAULT.
THEY JUST HAD TO GO, I UNDERSTAND AND BUILD ENCLOSED MALL AND PAY US THE 3.25 MILLION.
SO THEN WE ASKED FOR THAT 3.25 MILLION.
THAT WAS THE DEMAND THAT WAS SENT.
AND JUST TO PRESERVE ALL OPTIONS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN'T GO BACK AT SOME TIME IF NECESSARY AND, AND CALL THEM IN DEFAULT AND, AND GET THAT MONEY BACK.
ALRIGHT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE POSTAL AGENDA.
SO FOR THIS, THIS WORKSTATION IS NOW ADJOURNED.